How do you think they got over here in the first place?

They lie.

They cheat.

They scam the system.

Anyone with half a brain already knows this.

All you illegal alien defenders like ChuckHoffman are a bunch of fawkin idiots.

There are plenty of citizens who do the same thing.

Liars, cheaters and scammers are equally bad, regardless of their citizenship status.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> There are plenty of citizens who do the same
> thing.
>
> Liars, cheaters and scammers are equally bad,
> regardless of their citizenship status.

Nice job equivocating, asswipe.

Your political days are through.

Are we talking about illegal alien defenders who are soft hearted liberals, are we talking about illegal alien defenders who are businessmen, quite often conservative leaning, who are looking for cheap labor, or are we talking about Mr. & Ms. Suburbia who are happy to look the other way, so long as it means cheaper goods and services?

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Are we talking about illegal alien defenders who
> are soft hearted liberals, are we talking about
> illegal alien defenders who are businessmen, quite
> often conservative leaning, who are looking for
> cheap labor, or are we talking about Mr. & Ms.
> Suburbia who are happy to look the other way, so
> long as it means cheaper goods and services?

We're talking about the Republicans who voted for Obamacare. Who are they again?

fuck you GOPe pussy Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> > There are plenty of citizens who do the same
> > thing.
> >
> > Liars, cheaters and scammers are equally bad,
> > regardless of their citizenship status.
>
> Nice job equivocating, asswipe.
>
> Your political days are through.

In other words - that wall just got ten feet higher!

Believe me, it's going up. Bigtime. People are gonna love it.

the greatest wall ever Wrote:
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> fuck you GOPe pussy Wrote:
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> > BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > There are plenty of citizens who do the same
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > Liars, cheaters and scammers are equally bad,
> > > regardless of their citizenship status.
> >
> > Nice job equivocating, asswipe.
> >
> > Your political days are through.
>
> In other words - that wall just got ten feet
> higher!
>
> Believe me, it's going up. Bigtime. People are
> gonna love it.


that's just a suggestion^

it could be drywall, we'll see. but it's going to be great. i'm talking to some great people about it, believe me.

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The funniest shit is always True, That's the funny part.

fuck you GOPe pussy Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> > There are plenty of citizens who do the same
> > thing.
> >
> > Liars, cheaters and scammers are equally bad,
> > regardless of their citizenship status.
>
> Nice job equivocating, asswipe.
>
> Your political days are through.

Who is equivocating? I don't think a citizen gets a pass on being a douchebag, any more than an illegal does.



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BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> fuck you GOPe pussy Wrote:
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> > BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
> >
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> > > There are plenty of citizens who do the same
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > Liars, cheaters and scammers are equally bad,
> > > regardless of their citizenship status.
> >
> > Nice job equivocating, asswipe.
> >
> > Your political days are through.
>
> Who is equivocating? I don't think a citizen gets
> a pass on being a douchebag, any more than an
> illegal does.


All illegal aliens are liars and cheaters. They cheated to enter the country and they lied to stay or to get employment.

Do you really not understand this?

bExY3 Wrote:
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> All illegal aliens are liars and cheaters. They
> cheated to enter the country and they lied to stay
> or to get employment.

don't forget - they are rapists and murderers too!

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> There are plenty of citizens who do the same
> thing.
>
> Liars, cheaters and scammers are equally bad,
> regardless of their citizenship status.


You're right.

We have enough as it is.

Don't need any more.

Especially en mass.

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There are plenty of citizens who do the same thing.

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It does not matter..they are Citizens one way or another and they are Illegals.

I don't support kicking in doors at 2 Am or hassling anyone, but they should not get welfare, drivers licenses, food stamps, or any special help. NO Amnesty.. And if they do come into contact with the law for a crime send them home deport them. And don't let them come back in ..If there found 5 years in Federal Prison..

Enter Illegally.. Deal with it, its there problem..Not the American peoples..

And as far as the "Heros" from Latin America, that fly their flags here in the USA on stickers on their cars ...Piss on them.. Macho huh?? Go home and clean up your own country.. cowards..

When SHTF here , these cowardly Latin Flag leeches will run home.. Im stuck with staying here as This is MY Country and I have no where else to go.

You want to Live here .. keep your nose clean , don't shove your Flags in our faces.. Have respect for the American people, work hard and you'll be fine.

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Fuck off Chuck.

No Weak P.C Excuses Wrote:
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> There are plenty of citizens who do the same
> thing.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> ------------------
>
> It does not matter..they are Citizens one way or
> another and they are Illegals.
>
> I don't support kicking in doors at 2 Am or
> hassling anyone, but they should not get welfare,
> drivers licenses, food stamps, or any special
> help. NO Amnesty.. And if they do come into
> contact with the law for a crime send them home
> deport them. And don't let them come back in ..If
> there found 5 years in Federal Prison..
>
> Enter Illegally.. Deal with it, its there
> problem..Not the American peoples..
>
> And as far as the "Heros" from Latin America, that
> fly their flags here in the USA on stickers on
> their cars ...Piss on them.. Macho huh?? Go home
> and clean up your own country.. cowards..
>
> When SHTF here , these cowardly Latin Flag leeches
> will run home.. Im stuck with staying here as This
> is MY Country and I have no where else to go.
>
> You want to Live here .. keep your nose clean ,
> don't shove your Flags in our faces.. Have respect
> for the American people, work hard and you'll be
> fine.

This is the problem. You guys don't have any idea what you are talking about. Illegals don't have access to most forms of government welfare. They can get food assistance, but that's about it. They aren't here for the benefits. They are here to work and get paid under the table.

I don't think citizens should get passes for being "leaches" just because they won the birth lottery. Blaming all your ills on illegals is dumb. They are human beings too, and that's not being PC. It's just not being an asshole.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> No Weak P.C Excuses Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There are plenty of citizens who do the same
> > thing.
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > ------------------
> >
> > It does not matter..they are Citizens one way
> or
> > another and they are Illegals.
> >
> > I don't support kicking in doors at 2 Am or
> > hassling anyone, but they should not get
> welfare,
> > drivers licenses, food stamps, or any special
> > help. NO Amnesty.. And if they do come into
> > contact with the law for a crime send them home
> > deport them. And don't let them come back in
> ..If
> > there found 5 years in Federal Prison..
> >
> > Enter Illegally.. Deal with it, its there
> > problem..Not the American peoples..
> >
> > And as far as the "Heros" from Latin America,
> that
> > fly their flags here in the USA on stickers on
> > their cars ...Piss on them.. Macho huh?? Go
> home
> > and clean up your own country.. cowards..
> >
> > When SHTF here , these cowardly Latin Flag
> leeches
> > will run home.. Im stuck with staying here as
> This
> > is MY Country and I have no where else to go.
> >
> > You want to Live here .. keep your nose clean ,
> > don't shove your Flags in our faces.. Have
> respect
> > for the American people, work hard and you'll
> be
> > fine.
>
> This is the problem. You guys don't have any idea
> what you are talking about. Illegals don't have
> access to most forms of government welfare. They
> can get food assistance, but that's about it. They
> aren't here for the benefits. They are here to
> work and get paid under the table.
>
> I don't think citizens should get passes for being
> "leaches" just because they won the birth lottery.
> Blaming all your ills on illegals is dumb. They
> are human beings too, and that's not being PC.
> It's just not being an asshole.

the average trump voter hates foreigners and minorities

Can illegal aliens get Virginia drivers licenses?

Do you believe the state government is doing enough to prevent document fraud?

What kind of effort is made to verify legal status of recipients of welfare/assistance by state and local government? Is it enough?

Should illegal aliens have access to county housing, yes or no?

Should county magistrates grant bond to persons in the country illegally who have been arrested for dangerous crimes like assault or DUI?

How much is too much for county schools to spend on ESOL? How adaptive should local schools be to linguistic and cultural concerns, in particular those from students or parents who are not here legally?

Don't think too long about your answers, this should be easy for you.

Questions for Brian Wrote:
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> Can illegal aliens get Virginia drivers licenses?

No.

> Do you believe the state government is doing
> enough to prevent document fraud?

I'm not aware of how prevalent it is, so I can't answer this.

> What kind of effort is made to verify legal status
> of recipients of welfare/assistance by state and
> local government? Is it enough?

All of the forms require a social security number and the forms clearly indicate that verification will be made. You can see the SNAP form, for example, at http://www.dss.virginia.gov/files/division/bp/fs/intro_page/forms/032-03-0824-30-eng.pdf.

It says clearly there that the information provided will be vetted against a variety of sources, including USCIS. They ask for place of birth, citizenship status, etc.

I'm sure they could use more resources to do better vetting, but there are significant barriers to keep folks who should not be getting access to benefits from getting them. That doesn't mean there isn't fraud or abuse, but it's not like anybody who walks in the door gets handed a check.

> Should illegal aliens have access to county
> housing, yes or no?

No. If they get any housing assistance, it should be paid for by the feds.

> Should county magistrates grant bond to persons in
> the country illegally who have been arrested for
> dangerous crimes like assault or DUI?

I'm not aware that the magistrates are privy to immigration status when they make these determinations. I'm not aware that e-verify is available to them, and even if it is, it's not the state and local government's responsibility to enforce federal law. That's the fed's job.

> How much is too much for county schools to spend
> on ESOL? How adaptive should local schools be to
> linguistic and cultural concerns, in particular
> those from students or parents who are not here
> legally?

How much is too much? That's hard to say, but roughly I'd say more than the national average, adjusted for our locality. Immigration status doesn't matter when it comes to education - we're obligated under federal law (Supreme Court opinions) to educate everybody, including the kids of illegals who are also not citizens. Given that immigration is a federal responsibility, I've advocated that the feds reimburse localities with significant ESOL and illegal immigration populations so that taxpayers in those localities aren't forced to bear the entire burden of the fed's failed immigration policies.

chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> cxUeU Wrote:
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> > How do you think they got over here in the
> first
> > place?
> >
> > They lie.
> >
> > They cheat.
> >
> > They scam the system.
> >
> > Anyone with half a brain already knows this.
> >
> > All you illegal alien defenders like
> ChuckHoffman
> > are a bunch of fawkin idiots.
>
>
> I am actually in favor of deporting anyone who's
> in the country illegally, and significantly
> increasing the INS's budget to do exactly that
> (although there has to be reason, here- they
> estimate deporting everybody would cost hundreds
> of billions of dollars, and I can think of lots of
> better things to do with that money.)
>
> I'm also in favor of eliminating the "safe harbor"
> provisions in the current laws, so that if you
> hire someone who's not allowed to work in the USA,
> you're criminally liable.
>
> Finally, I think that there should be significant
> civil penalties for anyone who hires someone who's
> not allowed to work in the USA, and that a portion
> of these civil penalties should be made available
> as a reward to people who file qui tam lawsuits,
> much like those that are available to
> whistleblowers under the False Claims Act.
>
> Make it profitable to bust employers who benefit
> from hiring people who aren't allowed to work here
> and unprofitable for employers to hire those
> people, and the problem will dissipate like a
> stinky fart in a strong breeze.

I agree with Chuck on this. I was too quick to judge on his helping illegals with health insurance on the other post. You cannot let people die in the streets and somehow feel like that is the right thing to do -- Even enemies at war, when they are injured We take care of them, b.c it is the right thing to do.

A very wise man said 2000 years ago -- to Love your enemies -- Bless those who curse you and to Pray for those who despitefully use you ...

Keeping order is important and we lost that in the US a long time ago and its' only getting worse.

Knee jerk reaction on my part earlier ... Chuck you are a respectable level headed guy.