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Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 01, 2009 03:48PM

Anybody hear anything about this? The article doesn't really give much info other than it took 7 hours to figure out where the car was. Strange.


Strange crash leaves Herndon man dead
January 1, 2009 - 3:04pm

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1562937

HERNDON, Va. - A bizarre crash in Fairfax County early Thursday morning has left a Herndon man dead and questions for police.

Shortly after 2 a.m., Fairfax Police were called to an area near Dranesville Road and Powells Tavern Place in Herndon, where they had been told a car crashed through a fence and fled. Upon arriving, Fairfax Police did not find anything.

Seven hours later, police were called back to the scene, where police spokeswoman Shelly Broderick says the car was in the backyard of a home in the 1300 block of Rock Chapel Road. An unidentified 31year-old male was found dead in the car.

Broderick would not comment on why police didn't search the entire area upon arriving on the scene the first time.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 01, 2009 07:40PM

more quality work by the FCPD.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Eastsider ()
Date: January 01, 2009 11:01PM

LOL!


Gravis Wrote:
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> more quality work by the FCPD.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Herndon Resident ()
Date: January 01, 2009 11:39PM

At around noon today tons of cop cars in that area.
looks like he drove thru two backyards.

Fence is all messed up. Cops had the area tapped off until about 3 today

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 02, 2009 07:01AM

They showed it on the news last night. The dude must've been hauling ass, the car was really really smashed up... looks like he hit something head-on without braking. And what the hell were the cops doing that it took them 7 hours to find the accident?? Someone obviously screwed up.


Herndon Resident Wrote:
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> At around noon today tons of cop cars in that
> area.
> looks like he drove thru two backyards.
>
> Fence is all messed up. Cops had the area tapped
> off until about 3 today

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 02, 2009 07:36AM

Have the police released the name of the man found in the car, who I presume is the driver?

This type of crash is consistent with several of the drunk driving crashes in the past. The driver drinks himself into oblivion until he “blacks out” but continues to function. He then stomps on the gas peddle and speeds along until he hits something that is large enough to stop him. Unfortunately, in the past, it’s been a car with passengers (who didn’t survive the impact).

It wouldn’t surprise me to learn this guy either had a suspended license or no license at all. Northern VA traffic court has a revolving door, many the judges know on a first name basis, along with their translators. Those with suspended or no license, pay their fine and then get into their cars and drive away - over and over again.

Herndon is trying to get these people off the street by expanding the existing law to give localities more power to impound vehicles. Sen Howell (Herndon/Reston) and Del Plum (Reston) apparently feel this is a non issue and won’t even respond to constituents when asked to introduce the Bill. Del Rust (Herndon) is all for it and I hope he will be able to convince the rest of the GA to take this seriously.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2009 07:38AM by Junes.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: suburbanite ()
Date: January 02, 2009 09:05AM

Junes Wrote:
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> Northern VA traffic court has a revolving door,
> many the judges know on a first name basis, along
> with their translators.

Well, since the translators work for the courts it seems reasonable that the judges would know them by name. Most people do know the people they work with everyday by name. You make it sound like the violator provides the translator. They don't, the courts do.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 02, 2009 09:42AM

suburbanite Wrote:
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That's not quite how it works. The courts HIRE a court appointed intrepreter - on a case-by-case basis - from a county approved list, after a request for an intrepreter is submitted and approved. We the tax payers pay for this service.

This service is supplemented with vounteers.

Therefore, the number of people who serve as intrepreters (either as contractors or volunteers) change reguarly and are spread across the three courts and their subs.

It would be presumed that judges would recognize some of the "regular" interpreters. However, when they recognize regular violators in traffic court, that speaks volumes as to how lax our court system is, and its adverse and potentially deadly effect on law abiding motorists.

It is obvious that suspending or revoking a license means nothing to some drivers. Impounding their car for 30 days however removes the opportunity to blatantly ignore the law and frees up our courts and subsequent tax dollars.

I'm not sure why you would be oppposed to this proactive action to removing drivers like this from our roadways and saving tax dollars.



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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Bill Sykes ()
Date: January 02, 2009 02:51PM

Our tax money should not be used to provide interpreters for these scofflaws. They all understand enough English to know what's going on in court. They use that "no habla Ingles" bullshit to their advantage. If they speak no English at all they shouldn't be allowed to drive. Simple as that.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: tubby ()
Date: January 02, 2009 03:38PM

This happens a lot. Remember the guy in Maryland (I think) that ran off the road and was there for days until he could crawl back up to the road.

Or the motorcyclist that flew off the GW Parkway....they had a hell of a time finding his body.

Granted, this is a little different, being in a heavily populated area but was there nobody home in those houses whose yards he went through?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 02, 2009 03:51PM

The difference is that the police were notified of this Herndon accident. Someone called the cops, they showed up at the scene, and apparently did no investigating. But those other two you mention, the cops weren't called- no one knew about the accidents. The one over in MD was treated as a missing persons case because the kid just "disappeared".


tubby Wrote:
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> This happens a lot. Remember the guy in Maryland
> (I think) that ran off the road and was there for
> days until he could crawl back up to the road.
>
> Or the motorcyclist that flew off the GW
> Parkway....they had a hell of a time finding his
> body.
>
> Granted, this is a little different, being in a
> heavily populated area but was there nobody home
> in those houses whose yards he went through?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 02, 2009 05:28PM

WUSA9 UPDATE - 4:21pm

Herndon Accident Victim Undiscovered for 8 Hours
January 02, 2009

HERNDON, VA- (WUSA) Around 2 a.m. New Years Day, 31 year-old Joseph Taylor who was driving his vehicle along Dranesville Road in Herndon, went careening over the median, through a fence and into the back of a house.

His body was not found until some eight hours later.

The homeowner who owns that fence took a look around and determined the car had crashed into the fence and fled, which he says, has happened before. He called Fairfax County police who came and determined the same thing. There were no skid marks and it was dark.

What they apparently couldn't see, was the left side of the fence down, and the demolished car in their neighbor's yard. The neighbors were away for the holiday. The car had smashed into the back right corner of their home, breaking off a chunk of their new deck, moving the chimney, and leaving several large cracks in the wall.

The car had ripped off the Christmas lights from the deck, removing the only light there was. A six foot fence blocked the view from the front yard.

Both homeowners say police did nothing wrong because there was no way they could've seen the car.

On News Years Day, an off duty firefighter spotted the smashed car through the hole in the fence and Joseph Taylor's body was found.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 02, 2009 05:37PM

Not exactly a model citizen...


"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","026"," 13338","PREUIT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","07/08/2003","OTHER WARRANT "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","026"," 13338","PREUITT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","02/18/2003","ASSAULT-SIMPLE "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","026"," 13338","PREUITT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","02/18/2003","ASSAULT-SIMPLE "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","026"," 13338","PREUITT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","02/18/2003","ASSAULT-SIMPLE "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","026"," 13338","PREVIT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","05/09/2003","ASSAULT ON POLICE OFFICER "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","026"," 13338","PREVIT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","05/09/2003","ESCAPE CUST,NON-CONV W/FORCE "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","026"," 13338","PREVIT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","05/09/2003","POSS CONTROLLED DRUG FEL "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","028"," 13338","PREUIT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","03/28/2003","OTHER WARRANT "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","031"," 13338","PREUIT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","08/16/2008","DOMESTIC ASSAULT "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","031"," 13338","PREUIT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","11/28/2008","DISREG POLICE SIGNAL TO STOP,ELUDE "
"TAYLOR ","JOSEPH ","A","031"," 13338","PREUIT ","PL","HERNDON ","VA","11/28/2008","RESISTING A LAWFUL ARREST "

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: even more ()
Date: January 02, 2009 05:55PM

Case # Defendant Name Hearing Date/Time Status Paid Pay
GC03067956-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH 09/15/2003 12:00 AM Guilty Paid
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
PETIT LARCENY Complainant:
BAITINGER, W E
GT08103487-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH 05/14/2008 09:30 AM Guilty In Absentia Paid
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
HOV VIOLATION Complainant:
GOODMAN, C P
GT08190931-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH 10/08/2008 09:30 AM Prepaid Paid
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
OPER UNINSPECTED VEHICLE Complainant:
FOX, A D
GC03065401-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH A 06/23/2003 09:30 AM Guilty Paid
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
PUBLIC SWEARING/INTOXICATION Complainant:
CICHOCKI, D E
GC97007322-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH A 08/05/1998 09:30 AM Guilty Paid
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
POSS MARIJUANA Complainant:
BERG, M B
GC98011038-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH A 08/26/1998 09:30 AM Guilty
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
FRAUDULENT USE OF ID Complainant:
DAVIS, R H
GC99001941-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH A 06/30/1999 09:30 AM Guilty
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
ASSAULT ON POLICE OFCR Complainant:
THOMPSON, S J
GC99005574-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH A 04/29/1999 09:30 AM Guilty In Absentia
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
NO ANIMAL LIC.TAG Complainant:
HAWE, M D
GC99007129-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH A 04/29/1999 09:30 AM Guilty In Absentia
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
NO ANIMAL LIC.TAG Complainant:
HAWE, M D
GC99007841-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH A 06/15/1999 09:30 AM Guilty In Absentia
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
TRESPASS-PVT PROP Complainant:
ALBERT, V T
Case # Defendant Name Hearing Date/Time Status Paid Pay
GC03064731-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH A. 06/23/2003 12:00 AM Nolle Prosequi
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
DISORDERLY CONDUCT Complainant:
CICHOCKI, D E
GC03023324-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 06/04/2003 12:00 AM Certified To Grand Jury
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
A&B-POLICE OR FIREFIGHTER Complainant:
PENGELLY, J D
GC03023325-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 06/04/2003 12:00 AM Dismissed
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
A&B-POLICE OR FIREFIGHTER Complainant:
PENGELLY, J D
GC03023326-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 06/04/2003 12:00 AM Certified To Grand Jury
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
A&B-POLICE OR FIREFIGHTER Complainant:
PENGELLY, J D
GC03023327-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 12/04/2003 12:00 AM Nolle Prosequi
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
DISORDERLY CONDUCT Complainant:
PENGELLY, J D
GC03024512-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 12/04/2003 12:00 AM Nolle Prosequi
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
PUBLIC SWEARING/INTOXICATION Complainant:
PENGELLY, J D
GC03066106-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 07/08/2003 12:00 AM Certified To Grand Jury
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
ESCAPE FORCE PRISON WAIT TRIAL Complainant:
KINNEY, P M
GC03066109-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 07/08/2003 12:00 AM Nolle Prosequi
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
POS CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES Complainant:
KINNEY, P M
GC03066110-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 07/08/2003 12:00 AM Certified To Grand Jury
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
A&B-POLICE OR FIREFIGHTER Complainant:
SREBNICK, P D
GC03066113-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 07/08/2003 12:00 AM Nolle Prosequi
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
DISORDERLY CONDUCT Complainant:
KINNEY, P M
GC03127228-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 10/03/2003 12:00 AM Nolle Prosequi
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
ASSAULT & BATTERY Complainant:
RICHEY, M J
GC08260905-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 01/14/2009 02:00 PM Pending Case
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
RESISTING ARREST Complainant:
WILLIAMS, P D
GT08186708-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 11/12/2008 09:30 AM Guilty Paid
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
FAIL TO OBEY HIGHWAY SIGN Complainant:
RUFFIN, H M
GT08260880-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 01/14/2009 02:00 PM Pending Case
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
RD-GENERALLY-MISD Complainant:
WILLIAMS, P D
GT08260881-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 01/14/2009 02:00 PM Pending Case
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
FAIL STOP SCENE OF ACC - >$500 Complainant:
WILLIAMS, P D
GT08260903-00 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 01/14/2009 02:00 PM Pending Case
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
ATTEMPT TO ELUDE POLICE Complainant:
WILLIAMS, P D
GT08260903-01 TAYLOR, JOSEPH ANDRE 01/14/2009 02:00 PM Pending Case
Court:
Fairfax County General District Charge:
FTA INFORMATION ON ATTORNEY Complainant:
MINOR, JUDGE


this is only fairfax county. Several assaults on police officers, larcenys, and escapes from custody. anyone want to check for him in other nearby counties? Make sure he has the same middle name and DOB.

http://wasdmz2.courts.state.va.us/gdcourts/caseSearch.do?index=index

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: January 02, 2009 10:02PM

Full Name: Joseph Aason Taylor Date of Birth: 11/28/1976
AKAs: Joseph Aaron Taylor
Height:
Weight:
Hair Color:
Eye Color:
Race: WHITE
Gender: Male


ADDRESSES



O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1
Offense Date: 01/11/2001
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
Case Number: 099GT0100022500
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 46.2-1158
Offense Description: EXPIRED STATE INSPECTION
Date Reported:
Disposition: GUILTY
Disposition Date: 03/21/2001
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 2
Offense Date:
Case Number: 099GT0200465400
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 46.2-1158
Offense Description: EXPIRED INSPECTION
Date Reported: 11/14/2002
Disposition: DISMISSED
Disposition Date: 12/04/2002
Sentence Details: COURT COSTS

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 3
Offense Date:
Case Number: 099GT0300007300
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: A.46.2-613
Offense Description: IMPROPER REGISTRATION
Date Reported: 01/14/2003
Disposition: GUILTY
Disposition Date: 03/19/2003
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 4
Offense Date:
Case Number: 177GT0200981200
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 46.2-830
Offense Description: FAIL TO OBEY HIGHWAY SIGN
Date Reported: 06/24/2002
Disposition: GUILTY IN ABSENTIA
Disposition Date: 06/27/2002
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 5
Offense Date: 09/21/2004
Case Number: 033GT0400905600
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 46.2-1158
Offense Description: OPER VEH W/EXP. REJECTION
Date Reported: 09/28/2004
Disposition: GUILTY IN ABSENTIA
Disposition Date: 11/03/2004
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 6
Offense Date:
Case Number: 177GT0201577800
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 46.2-852
Offense Description: RD/ ACCIDENT
Date Reported: 10/01/2002
Disposition: NOLLE PROSEQUI
Disposition Date: 11/18/2002

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 7
Offense Date: 07/24/2001
Case Number: 069GT0100881600
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: G.46.2-870
Offense Description: SPD 76/55
Date Reported: 07/30/2001
Disposition: GUILTY
Disposition Date: 08/28/2001
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 8
Offense Date: 02/06/2006
Case Number: 033GT0600204700
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 46.2-1094
Offense Description: SAFETY BELT VIOLATION
Date Reported: 02/15/2006
Disposition: PREPAID
Disposition Date: 03/22/2006
Sentence Details: COURT FINE

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 9
Offense Date:
Case Number: 099GT0300007500
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: A.46.2-707
Offense Description: NO LIABILITY INSURANCE
Date Reported: 01/14/2003
Disposition: GUILTY
Disposition Date: 03/19/2003
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 10
Offense Date: 01/11/2001
Case Number: 099GT0100022400
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 46.2-104
Offense Description: NO O.L. IN POSSESSION
Date Reported:
Disposition: DISMISSED
Disposition Date: 03/21/2001

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 11
Offense Date: 02/06/2006
Case Number: 033GT0600204600
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 46.2-104
Offense Description: NO REG. CARD/LIC IN POSSESSION
Date Reported: 02/15/2006
Disposition: COMPLIED WITH LAW
Disposition Date: 03/22/2006

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 12
Offense Date:
Case Number: 099GT0300007400
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 46.2-1094
Offense Description: FAIL TO WEAR SEAT BELT
Date Reported: 01/14/2003
Disposition: GUILTY
Disposition Date: 03/19/2003
Sentence Details: COURT FINE

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 13
Offense Date: 01/11/2001
Case Number: 099GT0100022300
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: B.46.2-870
Offense Description: SPEED 70/55
Date Reported:
Disposition: DISMISSED
Disposition Date: 05/30/2001
Sentence Details: COURT COSTS

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 14
Offense Date: 08/30/2000
Case Number: 099GT0000438300
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: B.46.2-870
Offense Description: SPEEDING 67-55
Date Reported:
Disposition: PREPAID
Disposition Date: 09/27/2000
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

D CRIMINAL OFFENSE 15
Offense Date: 11/01/2001
Case Number: 069GT0101210300
Offense Type: Drugs
Offense Code: 18.2-250.1
Offense Description: POSSESS MARIJUANA
Date Reported: 11/02/2001
Disposition: GUILTY
Disposition Date: 11/15/2002
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 02, 2009 10:57PM

Junes Wrote:
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> Both homeowners say police did nothing wrong
> because there was no way they could've seen the
> car.

cutting edge technology solved this problem: flashlights.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 04:32AM

Gravis, this was not my quote - this was part of the news item.

During the news report last night, there was a video of the area, and an interview with both homeowners. I concur with the homeowners that further investigation beyond the first damaged fence was not necessary.

If you have been following the story, the homeowner who called in the accident did it more for insurance purposes than because he felt there was a concern. He said in the interview that his fence has been knocked down more than a few times by passing motorists, who then flee the scene leaving him holding the bag to replace or repair the fence. He filed the police report because the insurance company would not pay to fix the fence without one. There was no reason for the homeowner or police to suspect this altercation was any more than that.

Mr Taylor's vehicle continued on through the CORNER of the fence which was obscured from view, leaving most of the common fence intact. It than veered into the house and came to rest there. These homeowners were out of town at the time so no one reported the crash.

The neighbors were not aware of the crash until an off-duty fire fighter saw the other hole in the fence. Because the neighbor's houses has no windows on that side of the house, they were not able to see anything unless they physically went into the neighbor's yard and conducted their own investigation.

Because motorists knocked down the first homeowners fence more than a few times, there was no reason for anyone to presume the accident didn't end there. There was no cause for further investigation.

The police did their job well, based on the circumstances.



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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 05:33AM

Are you guys absolutely certain the court records posted here are for THIS Joseph Taylor? On the WTOP forum, his "personal friends" are outraged that anyone would have the audacity to post the same list TheMeeper posted here. This leads me to believe that his "personal friends" were aware of the poor choices he may have made.

This is not to cast aspersions but if Radiophile's post pertains to THIS Mr Taylor, it will be most useful. His traffic record shows a need to crack down on drivers who repeatedly violate our laws. Had the GA voted to expand the law to include 30 day impound, he may have made a different choice that may have saved his life.

Radiophile can you confirm this is in fact the same Mr. Joseph Taylor?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 03, 2009 09:28AM

Junes Wrote:
>>> The police did their job well, based on the circumstances.


What? The police majorly screwed up. There could have been injured passengers, injured bystanders, there could have been additional crimes in progress, etc. And it took them 7 hours to figure out there was a smashed car with a dead body in it sitting right there at the scene. That's fuckin ridiculous. These cops were either just stupid or lazy, and it's just plain dumb for them to make excuses like "it was too dark". It's not that hard to pull out a flashlight and properly observe an accident scene.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Friend ()
Date: January 03, 2009 10:33AM

Bottom line is someone lost their life, it may not have been the police fault but ask yourself this, if this was a friend of yours, a loved one, wouldnt you have hoped that someone took the time to have looked a little closer. His family will never know if maybe they looked may be he would have lived. Regardless of his criminal history, he was a family member to someone and a friend to many, and now he is gone.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: ctayo9 ()
Date: January 03, 2009 10:59AM

This person everyone is talking about is my family, and yes it leaves the questions for all of us--where were the police? Why did it take so long for them to find the body, why did they call the owner of the car at 3am? why did they arrest him and let him right back out that morning, knowing that he may be a threat or danger.

For everyone's information, his criminal background doesn't mean a goddamn thing other than that someone is trying to justify the loss of a life--this man was a brother, son, friend, boyfriend. He just needed help, and the type of help he needed just before his life was ended was nowhere to be found.

The police are in question here. We're going to get our questions answered here. For anyone else who thinks they're going to post the record of just any random person and claim it to be the man involved in this horrible tragedy to justify the loss of his life needs to mind their own fuckin business, get a life and find something else to do.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Mister Completely ()
Date: January 03, 2009 11:09AM

Why was that derelict out speeding and no doubt drunk,at 3AM, endangering the lives of other citizens, people who are worth a lot more to society than that dirtball? Who can blame the cops for not putting much effort into finding him. One fewer scumbag on the streets for the cops to have to deal with.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: January 03, 2009 11:10AM

No, his criminal record means that you are reading Fairfax underground, where we post the criminal records of newsworthy people.

If you don't like it find some other board to whine at. Sorry for your loss.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: ctayo9 ()
Date: January 03, 2009 11:17AM

Post the criminal records of the correct people involved fairfax underground...and don't be so quick to judge and point fingers...Karma comes back and it's a bitch!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 11:18AM

actually he did have a valid drivers license..

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 11:18AM

actually he did have a valid drivers license...

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 11:25AM

JUST BECAUSE HE HAS A CRIMINAL RECORD DOESNT MEAN HE ISNT A GOOD PERSON? I DONT CARE HOW MUCH YOU THINK HE SHOULD BE OFF THE STREETS, THEY SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LONGER, HELPED HIM, AND PUT HIM IN JAIL. NO ONE SHOULD BE LEFT TO DIE. THE COPS FUCKED UP. THEY SAID THEY NEVER SAW THE CAR, BUT THAT ISN'T TRUE BECAUSE THEY CALLED THE OWNER OF THE CAR AT 3 AM. WHICH MEANS THEY HAD SEEN THE CAR. THEY'RE LYING.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 11:27AM

OH AND RADIOPHILE, I DONT KNOW WHO 'JOSEPH AARON TAYLOR' IS. THATS NOT HIS NAME..

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: tubby ()
Date: January 03, 2009 12:02PM

Hey, how come everytime some Darwinian idiot ODs, gets murdered, or takes a high speed, drunken joyride to oblivion, legions of family and/or friends immediately descend upon this site to defend the deceased?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 12:08PM

I stand by my statement that the police did everything they should have considering the circumstances. Had it been any night other than New Year's Eve / Early New Year's Day (when people were at home), the circumstances would have been different as would the outcome.

I'm inclined to believe that Joseph Taylor was prone to making bad decisions and probably not as "upstanding" as his family and friends would have us believe.

Now that it has been established that Mr Taylor had a "troubled" past, I am even more concerned that family and friends felt the need to enable him when they knew he had problems. To lay this all at the feet of the police, because Mr Taylor made yet another bad decision is nothing short of enabling.

Ctayo9's comment "why did they call the owner of the car at 3am? Why did they arrest him and let him right back out that morning, knowing that he may be a threat or danger?" is totally inconsistent with any information that has been made public by the police or media.

The vehicle had been sitting in the back yard for nearly an hour. Yet you said the owner of the vehicle was arrested and released after talking with the police. Are you implying the owner was the driver and lied to the police about the accident? Or, are you implying Mr Taylor stole the car and was out joy riding?

Either way, this does not make Mr Taylor look any better. I would ask you to elaborate, but if your goal is to try to protect Mr Taylor's memory, you may want to refrain from posting on public forums until you are in a better frame of mind.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 12:18PM by Junes.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 12:31PM

of course the media doesnt say they called the owner of the car. they're covering their asses. and no he was not the owner of that vehicle. but he didn't steal it either.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: ctayo9 ()
Date: January 03, 2009 12:56PM

Junes, the owner of the car was called at 3am by the police, and when the phone was answered there was no one on the phone. When the number was called back, no one answered. No, the car wasn't stolen. Our question is why???? Obviously the police had identified the car at that time, but the reports say the car with his dead body was not found for 7 hours later. We need to know why. This forum is disrespecting the memory of our family member, so forgive me if I have a problem. I think anyone in our situation would feel the same.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 01:05PM

ctayo9 Wrote:
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> Junes, the owner of the car was called at 3am by
> the police, and when the phone was answered there
> was no one on the phone. When the number was
> called back, no one answered. No, the car wasn't
> stolen. Our question is why???? Obviously the
> police had identified the car at that time, but
> the reports say the car with his dead body was not
> found for 7 hours later. We need to know why.
> This forum is disrespecting the memory of our
> family member, so forgive me if I have a problem.
> I think anyone in our situation would feel the
> same



Ctayo9, you are back peddling and contradicting yourself. Earlier you said:

"Why did they call the owner of the car at 3am? Why did they arrest him and let him right back out that morning, knowing that he may be a threat or danger?"


WHO did they arrest?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 01:14PM

Ctayo9 is stumbling all over him/herself on this forum and working a completely different ploy onthe WTOP forum. The only thing that is consistent with the posts from "friends and families" is it was everyone else's fault that Joseph "Boo" Taylor came to this ill-fated end.


Catch this one just posted on the WTOP blog. Its a really doozy:


too many questions not answered
Report Commentby cjt @ 12:29pm - Sat Jan 3rd, 2009

From the family of Joseph "Boo" Taylor:

We all have the same questions that everyone else is asking...why? We are his family and police officers are off duty, no one is talking or helping us in our grief. The owner of the car was called at 3am the night of this tragic accident. The battery was found near the scene of the first crash. How could the car flee with no battery? Why was the vehicle identified at 3am, but Boo wasn't found until 10am? Something is not right!

Boo's record shows that he was harassed and targeted by Herndon police most of his entire life, the sad tragic truth is that the same Police Department that made his life a living hell was responsible for his life that night. We're not excusing any poor decisions he made, but we know that not everything was done that could have been that night. We're afraid that the police knew that Boo was in that car, and quite frankly let him die.

The way people have commented on people not deserving anything more if they're stupid enough to get behind the wheel of a car when they shouldn't have to understand that we are talking about human beings here. I'm especially offended to read some of the comments on fairfaxunderground.com. People do not deserve to die because they make poor decisions, or because the police deem them as a menace.

Boo was our brother, son, nephew, uncle, boyfriend, dad to be and most importantly our friend.

God rest your soul, little brother.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 03, 2009 01:25PM

Let me get this straight.... you're claiming that the cops did find the car, but didn't come back to report the body until 7 hours later?

C'mon!


ctayo9 Wrote:
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> Junes, the owner of the car was called at 3am by
> the police, and when the phone was answered there
> was no one on the phone. When the number was
> called back, no one answered. No, the car wasn't
> stolen. Our question is why???? Obviously the
> police had identified the car at that time, but
> the reports say the car with his dead body was not
> found for 7 hours later. We need to know why.
> This forum is disrespecting the memory of our
> family member, so forgive me if I have a problem.
> I think anyone in our situation would feel the
> same.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 01:31PM

Amazing it's it?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: ctayo9 ()
Date: January 03, 2009 01:37PM

whatever peeps, make whatever you want out of it--keep living your boring little want to be detective lives.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: January 03, 2009 01:41PM

What possible motive would the cops have for doing something like that??

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: ctayo0 ()
Date: January 03, 2009 01:44PM

We don't know, but it looks suspicious...all the courses of events (that are not disclosed in the news and media, information that we have) point to things that do not seem right, and the questions are not getting answered for us--that is our frustration!!!!!!!!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 01:46PM

Ctayo9, you set yourself up. You told one story here - one that makes no sense. And then you fabricated a totally different story for the audience at WTOP.

That you failed to tell us who was arrested,leads me to believe no one was called or arrested on that night.

your posts are starting to sound more and more like troll talk.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: sean R ()
Date: January 03, 2009 01:49PM

Joseph Taylor or Boo called by me and the rest of his friends is dead and for these assholes to sit here and bash his name makes me furious! Ok so he made bad choices in his life but that does'nt change the fact a life has been takin. Why is it that anytime someone is killed eveyone wants to look at their past. I have a checkered past but that does'nt mean i don't deserve a proper investigation if i crash my car by police. They didn't even bother to check around with a flash light to check all the damage that was caused. Who knows if he was still alive, he may have bled to death on that cold night but we will never know the answer to that one thanks to Fairfax finest. I don't think his family apprieciates everyones fucked up comments i know i don't. If you had a family member die how would you like it if people bashed them regardless of thier past? Just think about it! If you are bored go post comments somewhere else ur ignorance is not wanted. I knew Boo since i was thirteen years old we both went to Herndon Intermediate and Herndon High School where Boo was liked by friends and teachers. He was also a football star and great at basketball player or any sport he played. I like to remember him for the friend he was to me not by some rap sheet, his friends don't care about that we will miss him. RIP Boo!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: 12345 ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:12PM

A car needs a battery to start, once started it does not need a battery to run.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Phew ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:12PM

sean R Wrote:
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> Joseph Taylor or Boo called by me and the rest of
> his friends is dead and for these assholes to sit
> here and bash his name makes me furious! Ok so he
> made bad choices in his life but that does'nt
> change the fact a life has been takin. Why is it
> that anytime someone is killed eveyone wants to
> look at their past. I have a checkered past but
> that does'nt mean i don't deserve a proper
> investigation if i crash my car by police. They
> didn't even bother to check around with a flash
> light to check all the damage that was caused. Who
> knows if he was still alive, he may have bled to
> death on that cold night but we will never know
> the answer to that one thanks to Fairfax finest. I
> don't think his family apprieciates everyones
> fucked up comments i know i don't. If you had a
> family member die how would you like it if people
> bashed them regardless of thier past? Just think
> about it! If you are bored go post comments
> somewhere else ur ignorance is not wanted. I knew
> Boo since i was thirteen years old we both went to
> Herndon Intermediate and Herndon High School where
> Boo was liked by friends and teachers. He was also
> a football star and great at basketball player or
> any sport he played. I like to remember him for
> the friend he was to me not by some rap sheet, his
> friends don't care about that we will miss him.
> RIP Boo!

And the rest of us are glad that there is one less son of a bitch out there ready to kill innocents with no rap sheets.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:30PM

I'm still trying to find out who was arrested!

Maybe Sean can ask Ctayo0 and get back to us.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:32PM

fuuuckkkkk all offfff youuuuuuuu. yu dont know what youre talking aboutttt. and they did call the owner of the car at three am (thats me) but i didnt get to the phone in time. obviously they had the car because they ran the tags and got my information. why his body wasnt found until 8 hours later is the question. they said his body was found in the car at 10am. if thats the case why didnt they see him in the car when they called me? this is a set up. its not adding up. and yes, he did have a past and even though they are cops they are still people. lets say the cop that went to the scene the first time was one that he had conflicts with. whose to say they didnt have a grudge and leave him there to die? if the autopsy shows that he didnt die instantly fcpd are going to be in trouble. thats all i have to say.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:32PM

and boo was arrested earlier that day.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:34PM

Have you all ever considered that the police on the scene and the homeowners who were there took turns violating the guy's half-dead body, and because of that they COULDN'T call it in? I mean, give them some slack.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 02:34PM by RESton Peace.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:39PM

What was Boo arrested for?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:41PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> Have you all ever considered that the police on
> the scene and the homeowners who were there took
> turns violating the guy's half-dead body, and
> because of that they COULDN'T call it in? I mean,
> give them some slack.


Now now RESton Peace, that wasn't nice.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Sean R ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:43PM

Hey Teyyy are you Boos girlfriend the one carrying his child?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:46PM

Sean R Wrote:
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> Hey Teyyy are you Boos girlfriend the one carrying
> his child?


Do we have two Sean R's? The first Sean R was "Boo's" good friend. You would think he would know how his "friend's" girlfriend is.

I do so wish the Trolls would put a little (T) by their screen names so we don't waste our time with their nonsense



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 02:46PM by Junes.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Lurker2 ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:46PM

I read the posting by the family blaming Herndon Police for harassing Mr. Taylor, and possibly leaving him out to die. Let's get the facts straight, this was not Herndon Police, but Fairfax County Police who investigated the accident.

Like others I do question how much the officers did to investigate the accident scene. These are homes in small lots, and a simple walk through of the accident scene could have identified the vehicle, and probably saved the life of Mr. Taylor.

Condolences to the family members, and shame on those that judge him based on his public record. He was a family member, and those close to him will miss him. Imagine if something happened to you, and someone that didn't even know you judge you based on what is available to the public. Not a clear picture of who you really are.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Sean R ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:52PM

Hey Junes go fuck yourself! Just because i didn't keep up with his love life doesn't mean we weren't friends. Why don't you stay off of here and get a fucking life!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:59PM

Lurker2 Wrote:
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> Like others I do question how much the officers
> did to investigate the accident scene. These are
> homes in small lots, and a simple walk through of
> the accident scene could have identified the
> vehicle, and probably saved the life of Mr.
> Taylor.

I really don't understand why there should be questions. The homeowner who called in the accident was known by the police because his fence was regularly knocked down by drivers who were inattentive or under the influence. Rather than hang around and be accountable, they took off.

NO OTHER HOMEOWNERS called police to report an incident in the area. Why would the police presume this time the driver went through the fence rather that take off - as all the other drivers had done in the past?

Had another homeowner called to report a disturbance in the area, the police would have investigated further. There were no other calls.

Police do not have a crystal ball.

Teyyy claims to be the owner of the car. By his own admission, Teyyy said "Boo" was arrested and released earlier in the wee hours of the morning (though he won't tell us why), yet he still loaned his car to "Boo".

Whether the police really called Teyyy is still a little sketchy. He claims he didn't get to the phone on time. Yet when Ctayo0 said they called back, he didn't answer.

And these are the same people who are alleging Herndon and Fairfax County Police had a beef with the guy and "did him in."

Pretty incredulous!!!!!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: 12345 ()
Date: January 03, 2009 02:59PM

Look, this was a freak accident. No one saw anyone dying in another yard and walked away. These things happen.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 03:00PM

Sean R Wrote:
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> Hey Junes go fuck yourself! Just because i didn't
> keep up with his love life doesn't mean we weren't
> friends. Why don't you stay off of here and get a
> fucking life!


Well, for someone who calls him a friend, you obviously don't know too much about him do you?

Seems you didn't keep up with much of anything other than jumping on the troll wagon.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 03:02PM

12345 Wrote:
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> Look, this was a freak accident. No one saw
> anyone dying in another yard and walked away.
> These things happen.


FINALLY - A voice of reason!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: mfw ()
Date: January 03, 2009 03:22PM

"People do not deserve to die because they make poor decisions, or because the police deem them as a menace." That is the truth!!! The death of our friend should be investigated further, there is know reason why it took so long to find him!!! Know matter what he did in his life that was wrong he was loved by so many!!!I pray for his family that they will stay strong through this difficult time,

and shame on anyone who wants to bad mouth someone who has pasted away You never know when family and friend are reading these things and they are hurting enough. Boo, you were loved and we will miss you!!!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: January 03, 2009 03:23PM

mfw Wrote:
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> someone
> who has pasted away

+1

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: 12345 ()
Date: January 03, 2009 03:35PM

This guy apparently lived running wide open. Some of us are like that, we only feel truly alive when running wide open. But that life comes with higher risks. This guy had an accident with a bizzare element that killed him. NO ONE saw him dying in another yard and walked away.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: ALEX K. ()
Date: January 03, 2009 03:49PM

None of us are perfect, and the same people leaving negative posts about this young man cannot say they havent committed crimes or broken the law. To the family and friends of the deceased, pay no mind to people who would like to hurt you through his death. there lives are dark and pathetic. you can feel it in there comments. continue to love your friend and family member regardless of his past. the true store will come out because our society is based off justice for all. what really matters is GOD will welcome him home and he will watch over us all.

and whomever recieved the call @ 3am will be able to tell there story because phone records will prove that

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: mfw ()
Date: January 03, 2009 04:02PM

Thank you Alex!!!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 04:07PM

ALEX K. Wrote:
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> and whomever recieved the call @ 3am will be able
> to tell there story because phone records will
> prove that


Teyyy said the call was to him. He's not "telling" though because he said he didn't get to the phone in time for the first call, and didn't answer when the police called back (according to ctayo0).

Teyyy also said he is the owner of the car that "Boo" was driving, even though "Boo" had been arrested and released a few hours earlier. He's not "telling" about that either - even though he's been asked why.

This is one incredulous drama with a cast of players who are long time "friends" yet seem to know nothing at all about "Boo." On most forums, these types of people are called trolls.


12345 is the only one who nailed it --- "Look, this was a freak accident. No one saw anyone dying in another yard and walked away. These things happen."



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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: alex k. ()
Date: January 03, 2009 04:28PM

@ june

well i dont know anything about this whole troll thing because i dont spend that much time on chat rooms. i actually came on to learn more about what happened and to see and hope people had good things to say about Mr Taylor. June, I dont want you to take this as an insult because thats not what im here for, but really how many friends do you have? you said that if someone cant name every aspect of his life then they are not friends. thats ridiculous. its seems to me that your finding more joy in provoking responses then making statements that have any merit. your initial statements seemed to me that you were just speaking your mind but as you went on it made less and less sense. I know your more intelligent and genuine the your post would lead people to believe.

I've known joseph Taylor since i was 9 years old, and he was a good man with a good heart.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Stan ()
Date: January 03, 2009 04:29PM

OMG, So glad I did not go to Herndon High School. What an embarrassing crowd.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: doa ()
Date: January 03, 2009 04:35PM

Maybe the morgue was full so since it was cold out, they figured they could leave ole Boo out there for a few hours without him startin to stink?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: alex k ()
Date: January 03, 2009 04:44PM

yeah Stan, you really dont have those problems in Winchester

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 06:19PM

Alex, if you had followed the thread you would have known that I referred to "Boo's" girlfriend who is pregnant. Anyone who is a "friend" would know who she is --- or so one would think.

You really must keep up if you plan to jump into the fray and make mindless allegations that only make you look foolish. The rest of your diatribe is equally meaningless.

Since this thread started, some very strange people, with some very strange and contradictory comments, have joined in.

Your "friend" Boo (if you even knew him) took a ride on the wild side and didn't make it. Accept the fact that there is no conspiracy.

It's hard to take pity on someone how was hauling down the road with no regard for anyone else on the road. It was fortunate that he didn't take out anyone else during his "fling with fate."

You and your trolls have a nice day.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Calpurnia ()
Date: January 03, 2009 06:32PM

doa Wrote:
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> Maybe the morgue was full so since it was cold
> out, they figured they could leave ole Boo out
> there for a few hours without him startin to
> stink?


If it is the same ole Boo from "To Kill a Mockingbird," everyone was kind of afraid of him, including the cops.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: CKT ()
Date: January 03, 2009 06:40PM

Ctayo9 - This is CP sister...im with you on everything, people didnt know Boo that's talking shit on here. For those of you who is talking trash....his past is his past, that doesn't mean that he was not a good person, Mr. Taylor was a hell of friend to everyone that knew him. I will be missed & always loved very much. My brother and Boo are, and were the best of friends, and my brother lost someone very close....RIP BOO, WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU!!!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Heartbroken ()
Date: January 03, 2009 06:54PM

To Mr Taylors family,

My deepest condolences to your family during this tremendously difficult time. The loss of a child is every mothers nightmare, I cannot imagine the pain Mrs. Taylor is feeling. Especially with the questions surrounding his death and the discovery of the accident scene. I pray God holds you close and you are able to feel his arms around as you mourn the loss of your loved one. They say time heals all wounds, I wish that for you all.

To those posting insensitive comments:

You all have made your point, please show some respect for this family. It is very simple to judge strangers, come to conclusions on things we are unfamiliar with, etc. We all do it. After all, we are all flawed, imperfect creatures. But please keep in mind, you can't believe all you read. This man obviously made some poor choices, he was obviously not perfect.. none of us are. But it is up to God to determine his fate and not the decision of an internet audience.

Somewhere, a family is crying for their son, brother, and uncle. They did nothing to deserve this pain nor the treatment they are receiving on these blogs, Please be respectful of the dead. Imagine the shoe on the other foot, regardless of a loved ones choices and whether you agreed with those choices or not, losing that person is no less painful than the loss of a loved one without a rap sheet.

Regarding the 3am phone call. If this is true, then obviously Fairfax County has some explaining to do. You need to contact your phone company and request a copy of your call records. If you can show a call from the police at this time, I would recommend contacting the local news affiliate of your choice.

Police are human too, a badge isn't necessarily a guarantee of honor. We all know that some police officers behave badly thanks to dash cams and camera phones. I wish I could say that the familys claim is ridiculous, but anything is possible when your dealing with a person in power.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:13PM

sean,
no. im not. im his neice.

junes & doa,
youre sick. im done speaking to you. youre an inconsiderate bitch and you need help.


alex & heartbroken,
i have taken pictures of the caller ID. but i will also call and get the phone records. when my grandparents get the body from the medical examiner we will present it then. thank you for your kind words.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: CKT ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:16PM

Ctayo9, Sean, Teyy, don't trip off this bammas on here talking trash about Boo, we know who he was, and what type of person he was. Just remember, that he will be our angel now. Let these people talk there trash....

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Heartbroken ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:17PM

Don't mind them sweetie, just hold close to your family and keep your head up. My prayers are with you.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:18PM

one last thing junes,
he was arrested earlier on "accident". the cops took him to fairfax because they thought he had a warrant but their information was false and they let him out within twenty minutes. IF it was any of your business. second of all. the police called me i didnt get to the phone in time. when I called THEM back they didnt answer. you need to stop acting like you know what youre talking about. youre stating opinions im stating facts. so dont say im sketchy i know what the fuck im talking about.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: lame attempt ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:28PM

Teyy- Rumor has it (I know it's just a rumor) that the police were actually chasing that vehicle earlier in the night. This may be a reason for a phone call(not likely though).

Either way, they would have come to your door, not called you. What did their message say and who exactly called?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: LadyJinva ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:33PM

Regardless of the man's past- no one deserves to die. Boo was a cool, sweet and funny guy- i knew him for 20 years. Your family is my thoughts and prayers and I hope you find out what happend. May god bring you peace.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:50PM

lame attempt,

they werent chasing it earlier that night because it was parked. i was with boo in the house until around 10. then i left in a different car and left my keys in my room. boo took the keys from my room and was coming to where i was at, but didnt make it. the police didnt even leave a message. and they never called back i had to call them and ask where my car was, and when i could get my personal belongings. but no one else would be calling from a 'Fairfax County' number at three in the morning.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: lame attempt ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:53PM

What was the number on your caller ID that said "fairfax county" - lol

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:54PM

lame attempt Wrote:
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> Teyy- Rumor has it (I know it's just a rumor) that
> the police were actually chasing that vehicle
> earlier in the night. This may be a reason for a
> phone call(not likely though).
>
> Either way, they would have come to your door, not
> called you. What did their message say and who
> exactly called?


Teyyy changes his story every time he posts. I think he makes it up as he goes along

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 07:59PM

what the fuck are you talking about? it was a 703 904 number.. if this is going to fast for you junes i can slow down but ive said the exact same story like 20 times. i dont know why your brain cant process it..

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:00PM

junes,

and im a girl. i said im his niece, not nephew. so uh when you talk your shit, you can say 'SHE'

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: lame attempt ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:05PM

703-904- ????

I don't know why you're being sketch

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:09PM

FAIRFAX COUNTY: 7039041095 (2:55 AM)

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Herndon Guy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:17PM

It's a pretty tough crowd around here, as I think "Boo's" friends and family are finding out the hard way. I went to HHS with Boo, but I did not know him well.

Let me see if I can take the emotion down a few notches, while acknowledging that emotions are probably still very raw. The police should have investigated the scene further, there is no question. I have experience as a firefighter, and although I did not respond to this particular emergency, I know to look long and hard at crash scenes for vehicles and bodies, which can be cast far and wide. I know many of Fairfax's finest personally, and their dedication and professionalism are unmatched. Like everyone, the police officers and firefighters sometimes make mistakes, but that doesn't mean their motives are unpure.

It is wrong to blame Boo's death on the Fairfax County Police Department given the disjointed facts his friends and family have posted on this and other forums. Moreover, it is borderline criminal to suggest, without any facts to back up the assertion, that the police and an uninvolved homeowner conspired to cover up Boo's death until 10am. In fact, it is among the most ridiculous theories I have ever heard. Can you imagine the police deliberately leaving a vehicle in a suburban homeowner's backyard for seven hours with a dead or dying body inside, while the homeowner went back to bed? I have accompanied the police on many calls involving arrestees, and I can assure you that they often receive more thorough medical treatment than you or I.

The owner of the car Boo was driving suggests that the police covered up his death because he received a phone call at about 3am, but the caller hung up and did not leave a message. This leaves several unanswered questions:

1. When was Boo arrested immediately prior to the incident, and what was the charge? If he shouldn't have been on the road (as his friends allege), why is that? Saying the police should not have released him leaves certain facts unstated, and may demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of our criminal justice system.

2. How does the vehicle's owner know it was the police who contacted him, if he did not actually speak with the caller?

3. How does the vehicle's owner know the police were not attempting to contact him in connection with Boo's previous arrest, or in connection with erratic driving of the vehicle prior to the crash? Is it not possible that among the debris left at the scene was the vehicle's license plate?

These are questions that need to be answered before anyone can say with certainty that anything more than a tragic mistake occurred that night.

The County police have announced they are investigating this incident thoroughly to see whether mistakes were made, as they should. However, it is beyond comprehension for Boo's friends and family to mar his legacy by suggesting that the police - who enforce our laws - somehow purposefully botched this investigation simply to "get back" at someone who clearly had a long and storied criminal history, which includes felony convictions and jail time.

Although my memory of Boo from high school is mixed, no one "deserves" to die, even someone with a criminal record. The people on this forum who suggest he "got what he deserves" are either without human empathy or are trying to rationalize his death to avoid dealing with a senseless tragedy.

If the police made mistakes and those mistakes contributed to Boo's death, they will be held accountable. However, it was not the fault of the police that Boo crashed a car through two fences and rammed a single family home hard enough to damage its foundation and cause its condemnation. For that, Boo had only himself to blame. His death is a tragedy for his family, his friends, and his unborn child, and for that we should all give proper respect. But respect for the dead does not involve forgetting Boo Taylor's extensive criminal record, the actions he took to bring his death upon himself, or the suffering his actions have caused his family, his friends, and at least two families he did not know.

Fate is a cruel mistress, and it is worth noting that had the homeowner looked at the fence and decided to go back to bed and call the police in the morning, the result would have been the same. Nobody else traveling on that stretch of roadway saw the carnage for at least 7 hours, until several hours after daylight broke on that well-traveled road and an off-duty firefighter with good eyes spotted the car through the fence. In the interest of full disclosure, I live in the area and happened along at about 11:00, after the fire department had arrived. I had to look pretty hard to see the car through the fence, and we locals are conditioned to seeing people's fences torn apart on roads such as Dranesville and Herndon Parkway, so most of us probably would not have given it a second look.

Boo Taylor should be neither a scapegoat nor a martyr. The police were not responsible for his death, and his friends and family need to come to grips with the role he played in his own demise. To the "friendly folks" on this site, you might want to come to grips with the fact that this death was senseless and leaves his unborn child with no opportunity to know his or her father. No child should be deprived of that opportunity, and that is what makes this a true tragedy.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:19PM

lame attempt Wrote:
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> 703-904- ????
>
> I don't know why you're being sketch


Lame, you could go on for days trying to get a simple sentence out of this one.

And she thinks of herself as one of the smarter Taylors (it's nice to have a dream!)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 08:19PM by Junes.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Thank You ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:25PM

Herndon Guy has summed this up. Case closed. He is correct about everything he said.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Herndon Guy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:28PM

teyyy:

The question I have is how you know this was a Police Department number? Some cell phone numbers come up on my caller ID as "Fairfax County" even though they are in no way connected to the County government. You're not telling us the facts necessary for us to see how you got to your conclusion that the police called you.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: teyyy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:45PM

i didnt say i knew for sure that it was the police. thats what i want to know, is who was calling from a fairfax county number at 3 in the morning. also, it couldnt have been from earlier because when he was arrested earlier that day he was not in my vehicle.

also, if they found just the plate, who in the right mind wouldnt look around for more evidence? and the homeowner whose house he hit didnt come home til the next day. they were "out of town for the holiday". the homeowner of the first house (whose fence he hit) was the one who called. so im not suggesting any homeowner saw him and went back to bed.

but, as i said before i will get to the bottom of it, because it doesnt make sense.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: CKT ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:53PM

teyyy sweetie,

don't waste your time,or energy on this people that are bad mouthing Boo sweetie, you don't have to explain nothing...Then truth will come out at the end.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Herndon Guy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 08:56PM

teyyy Wrote:
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> fuuuckkkkk all offfff youuuuuuuu. yu dont know
> what youre talking aboutttt. and they did call the
> owner of the car at three am (thats me) but i
> didnt get to the phone in time. obviously they had
> the car because they ran the tags and got my
> information. why his body wasnt found until 8
> hours later is the question. they said his body
> was found in the car at 10am. if thats the case
> why didnt they see him in the car when they called
> me? this is a set up. its not adding up. and yes,
> he did have a past and even though they are cops
> they are still people. lets say the cop that went
> to the scene the first time was one that he had
> conflicts with. whose to say they didnt have a
> grudge and leave him there to die? if the autopsy
> shows that he didnt die instantly fcpd are going
> to be in trouble. thats all i have to say.

Teyyy,

You are either lying or you're too stressed out to remember what you said a few hours ago, complete with ever-so-colorful language. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You said right here that you knew the police had called you. The problem with this whole thing is that your story isn't adding up, and it keeps changing every time someone asks a difficult question.

Again, the words "Fairfax County" on your caller ID does not mean the cops tried to call you. In many cases (but not all), Fairfax County Police Department numbers are jammed ("UNAVAILABLE") so that they do not tip off the caller. Nothing like calling the 'perp with "Fairfax County Police Department" blazing across his caller ID. You think he'll pick up?

Did the phone number have voice mail on callback, or did it ring without any answer? If it had voice mail, what did the voice message say?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Leave the girl alone ()
Date: January 03, 2009 09:07PM

You people should be ashamed of yourself, harassing a child grieving from the loss of her uncle. Ive read through her posts, shes not changing her story, you guys just aren't accepting the answers. Leave the child alone, you are no better than the nut bags the picket soldiers funerals. He may not have been a member of the military, but he was a human being. His family is grieving and looking for answers on how something like this happened! Wouldnt you be doing the same thing right now?

Funny how all the comments on this story (here and other sites) started out talking shit about FFX not doing their jobs.. as soon as you found out who it was... FFX, did everything they could!?!?! Are you serious?!?!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: hhs 96 grad ()
Date: January 03, 2009 09:20PM

alex k. Wrote:

>
> I've known joseph Taylor since i was 9 years old,
> and he was a good man with a good heart.


Was he a "good man with a good heart" the night he and his friends beat me senseless in a parking lot because I am white? Before you ask, I knew they were beating me because I am white, because they were all shouting "Kill the white boy" while they beat me, and they didn't bother my friend who was with me. He's black.

So yeah, a good man with a good heart, but enjoys beating white guys. Sounds good to me.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: GOHORNETS ()
Date: January 03, 2009 09:22PM

They may have called you names while they beat your ass... but I remember this.. you didn't get your ass beat because you were white.. why don't you tell the fine folks of the underground why they REALLY whooped you!?!?

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Herndon Guy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 09:26PM

Looking for answers is a lot different than making spurious accusations. If she doesn't want to answer difficult questions, she should not be posting on this forum.

I said clearly that I think the police made mistakes. Where I have a problem is with people making accusations that are wholly unsupported by the facts. Teyyy has essentially accused the police of murder, when the facts clearly show (at best) that the police may have been negligent.

BTW, Teyyy is not a child - children generally do not own motor vehicles.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Frank ()
Date: January 03, 2009 09:29PM

teyyy Wrote:
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> ... lets say the cop that went
> to the scene the first time was one that he had
> conflicts with. whose to say they didnt have a
> grudge and leave him there to die?

Given his rap sheet, I doubt there are many local police who didn't have bad prior experience with him.

Since you seem to have cared so deeply for him, too bad you weren't able to help him change his life around before he lost his.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Leave the girl alone ()
Date: January 03, 2009 09:33PM

Teyyy is a teenager, as a mother to a teenager.. I can assure you she is a child. I agree with you initial post regarding this matter, I think you've said it best. But I also believe given the circumstances and the lack of answers the Taylor family is getting.. they are piecing all they know so far together, racking their brains trying to figure out what happened.

Had I received a call from a FFX County number at the time of the crash, I would've thought it was the police too! It was the same time as the accident, I've never seen a number come up on my Caller ID this way either.

Point is this is a grieving family, give them a break!!

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Herndon Guy ()
Date: January 03, 2009 09:45PM

Police investigations can take weeks to complete, and you don't generally get daily updates about what direction they are heading in. I can understand the family's grief, but not their desire to jump to the worst possible conclusion right off the bat. Looking solely at the severe damage to the car and the windshield, I'd be surprised if anyone survived the initial impact, which knocked an entire four-bedroom home off its foundation. That's why the allegation that the police deliberately missed the car is so ridiculous. The police, the homeowner, and a few hundred cars passing that location over an 8-hour time span all missed the car until, at about 10am, someone happened to look through the fence and saw it sitting there.

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: FUCSI ()
Date: January 03, 2009 10:00PM

This has turned into one of the weirdest threads ever. Why doesn't this guy's friends and family go mourn like normal people and get off this board. It's starting to feel like FU-CSI

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Re: Weird car accident story from Herndon
Posted by: Stonegate ()
Date: January 03, 2009 10:24PM

"They may have called you names while they beat your ass... but I remember this.. you didn't get your ass beat because you were white.. why don't you tell the fine folks of the underground why they REALLY whooped you!?!?"

Did you burn Boo and the hillboyz on a PCP deal??

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