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Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Stolen! ()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:13AM

Bush, 2006: "Some in this country argue that the solution is to deport every illegal immigrant and that any proposal short of this amounts to amnesty. I disagree."

Obama, 2014: "I know some of the critics of this action call it amnesty. Well, it's not."

Bush, 2006: "There is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant, and a program of mass deportation. That middle ground recognizes that there are differences between an illegal immigrant who crossed the border recently and someone who has worked here for many years, and has a home, a family, and an otherwise clean record."

Obama, 2014: "Mass deportation would be both impossible and contrary to our character. What I'm describing is accountability — a commonsense, middle-ground approach: If you meet the criteria, you can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. If you're a criminal, you'll be deported."

Bush, 2006: "The vast majority of illegal immigrants are decent people who work hard, support their families, practice their faith, and lead responsible lives. They are a part of American life but they are beyond the reach and protection of American law."

Obama, 2014: "They work hard, often in tough, low-paying jobs. They support their families. They worship at our churches. ... As my predecessor, President Bush, once put it: 'They are a part of American life.'"

"It really did strike me as a clearer statement of compassionate conservatism than Bush ever really was able to make," said Chad Murphy, who teaches presidential rhetoric at the University of Mary Washington. "That the speeches are so similar really confirms that for me. He's basically saying that if you work with us and start paying taxes, we welcome you. If you don't, we will punish you."

But where the two presidents largely agreed on the principles and policy, they diverged in strategy. While Bush issued a number of small-bore executive orders — to expedite citizenship for immigrants in the military, or to defer deportation for students affected by Hurricane Katrina — his speech called on Congress to act.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Stolen! ()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:14AM

My apologizes peoples. This should of been in off-topic. I posted in the wrong area.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: right??? ()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:21AM

Well, Democrats said Bush was an idiot. They said he was the worst President ever. We certainly shouldn't listen to him.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Red State Dolt ()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:28AM

If Bush thought turning the US into a Latin American 3rd world country was a good idea, then it must be a good idea.

Great find, buddy. Iraq will be a fully functioning, peaceful country any time now as well.

Two geniuses with great records of success Bush II and Barack. Hail!

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Ignorant screamers at work ()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:36AM

Bush's 2007 proposals were a bipartisan effort distilled from three prior immigration bills plus some new ideas. The result was unduly harsh, but it would have been a start. The bill was stalled and ultimately simply lapsed as the result of attacks and filibusters from the right, not the left.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: dumfuq can't even find forum ()
Date: November 21, 2014 11:39AM

And thinks it knows anything about this?

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Boy Jorge ()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:15PM

Compulsory deportartations, or removals, are so low that it's meaningless.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Romnesia ()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:17PM

I thought Romney's suggestion of "self deportation" was a real winner. It would've solved everything.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Go fuck yourself ()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:25PM

Boy Jorge Wrote:
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> Compulsory deportartations, or removals, are so
> low that it's meaningless.

They have been at record levels, you mindless dumbshit.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Romney still sucks ()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:31PM

Romnesia Wrote:
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> I thought Romney's suggestion of "self
> deportation" was a real winner. It would've
> solved everything.

A lot of both legal and illegal workers left the country as the result of the Great Republican Economic Clusterfuck that began in late 2007. Dumbfucks drove us into the ditch, so a lot of folks simply bailed.
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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: think again ()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:32PM

Go fuck yourself Wrote:
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> Boy Jorge Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Compulsory deportartations, or removals, are so
> > low that it's meaningless.
>
> They have been at record levels, you mindless
> dumbshit.


No they haven't. But you will continue to parrot the lie.

Now, the truth.....


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html#page=1

But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Back-N-Tyme ()
Date: November 21, 2014 12:41PM

Reagan loved Pardoning them for the votes and cheap labor for big business.

It was a win win win for the gipper

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: FICL M ()
Date: November 21, 2014 04:27PM

uUM NO BUSH NEVERDID DID. U ARE A SOCALIST

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Sen. Obama Supported Bush ()
Date: November 21, 2014 05:49PM

Obama voted for the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA, S. 2611) May 25th 2006 and he still supports it. If he 'stole' George Bush's words its because unlike 32 Republican Senators then Senator Obama was actually willing to vote for something George W. Bush and Sen. McCain wanted. You wont see that with ANYTHING President Obama wants. Shame, CIRA had bipartisan support - of course it died in cloture...

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: Go fuck yourself ()
Date: November 21, 2014 07:52PM

think again Wrote:
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> No they haven't. But you will continue to parrot
> the lie. Now, the truth.....

LOL!!! Now the part of your very own "truth" that you didn't read...

During the first two years after coming to office, Obama administration officials touted the record-setting deportation figures, hoping that strict enforcement at the border would convince Republicans to come to the negotiating table on immigration reform.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was "crowing" about the increasing deportations, said Marshall Fitz, an immigration expert at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank in Washington.

The Homeland Security Department "was patting itself on the back for reaching these record numbers," Fitz said. "I think they thought it was important to show they were very serious about this."


By the way, reaching back into the past to redefine actions that were not removals into something that ought to be counted as removals simply to be able to claim that removals have not risen to record levels is as dishonest as the day is long. Nearly as bad is all the whining that so many removals have been from within 100 miles of the border. Here's a clue -- 21,000 men and $600 million are not focused on St Louis or Harrisburg. They are -- duh -- focused on areas within 100 miles of the border. But the right-wing is so steeped and saturated in flat-out lying that they reflexively resort to it at the drop of a hat.

You can go fuck yourself now, pansy-ass.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: abelard ()
Date: November 23, 2014 05:20AM

>I thought Romney's suggestion of "self deportation" was a real winner. It would've solved everything.

Really? Making things so bad here for illegals that they'd be better off in squalor back home? You do realize that'd mean making them live in even worse squalor here, and that it'd take everyone's cooperation to make this happen. You really want to be part of something like that?

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: irony alert ()
Date: November 23, 2014 05:57AM

Stolen! Wrote:
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> My apologizes peoples. This should of been in
> off-topic. I posted in the wrong area.

What you should have done is cite the USA Today article you stole (copied) this from. Irony is a biotch.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: RomneyCare! ()
Date: November 24, 2014 04:00PM

So what?

Obama stole ObamaCare from RomneyCare.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: yeahbut ()
Date: November 24, 2014 04:43PM

I think the OP missed the point. Yes they agreed on some immigration policy points. Yes both Bush and Reagan issued Executive orders but their EOs were done to interpret Congressional action and further Congressional intent not make up a whole new statutory direction.

In the Reagan days Congress passed a law granting amnesty to undocumented aliens - Reagan opposed it. But once it was passed it was his job to implement it which he did despite his opposition. His executive order allowed the law to pertain to children of those people who had been granted amnesty because the statute was silent on that point. So his choice was to deport toddlers and babies while their parents were allowed to stay, or issue an EO allowing them to stay with their parents. Bush then extended Reagan's order by EO. So that's how they used EO's in this topic.

Obama issued an Executive Order without Congressional action on immigration. In fact, Congress debated and specifically rejected taking the exact action which Obama took.

All were Executive Orders but made under entirely different circumstances and hugely different in scope and precedent.

By the way, the precedent of this should be scary to all regardless of where you are on the political spectrum. Liberals who are defending this, please don't complain if Jeb Bush or Rand Paul becomes President and they start issuing executive orders implementing rules that Congress doesn't support or failing to enforce statutes passed by Congress. I expect to hear the same level of support for EOs then when they stop enforcing abortion clinic protection laws, or same sex discrimination laws, or union organizing laws by EO.

Dangerous precedent.

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Re: Obama Stole Bush's Ideas on Immigration Directly From Bush Speech!
Posted by: OP is another 'tard ()
Date: November 24, 2014 06:01PM

Good for you OP, you know how to use the internet.

If you had dug a little deeper you'd have found that people were against it just as much then with Bush as they are now, meaning Obama is the greater fool because he knows he's trying the same failed approach that was already rejected by the American people.

You must be so proud of your affirmative action president and constitutional scholar.

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