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FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
skeptical taxpayer
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Date: November 17, 2013 01:49PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/parking-lots-an-example-of-fairfax-schools-economic-gap/2013/11/16/0362fc2e-3c21-11e3-b6a9-da62c264f40e_story.html?hpid=z2
Before we start increasing the taxes for schools we ought to take a look at how much money is being spent through channels like this. . . especially after learning about the embezzlement at Poe
Before we start increasing the taxes for schools we ought to take a look at how much money is being spent through channels like this. . . especially after learning about the embezzlement at Poe
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
from the inside
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Date: November 17, 2013 01:53PM
They cater some pretty fancy luncheons with your parking money.....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
irritated123
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Date: November 17, 2013 06:00PM
There is a lot of wasted parking pass money at the school level. Goes for a lot of parties and stuff.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Rich Teens
()
Date: November 17, 2013 06:19PM
This seems like a sad story. Schools in poorer districts get less income from parking passes. Yet, those in richer areas have more students driving and get more fees. What kind of bleeding-heart schmuck wrote this piece? It must have been a slow news week for them to have to reach for an article like this.
When I was in high school, there were no fees. Then again, many of us never had our own cars either.
When I was in high school, there were no fees. Then again, many of us never had our own cars either.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
irritated123
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Date: November 17, 2013 06:24PM
I don't want to hear crying about not having enough money when you are spending parking pass money on restaurants instead of students. Poor people can't afford cars that sit in a high school parking lot all day. That is just the way it goes.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
sad about fees
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Date: November 17, 2013 08:24PM
"When I was in high school, there were no fees. Then again, many of us never had our own cars either."
Welcome to 2013. The economic inequality is being played out everywhere---schools are not exempt---especially in a big county like Fairfax. I, for one, am all for getting rid of ALL fees---which is how it used to be. Public school should not have fees even if people can afford them. There are people in the lower middle income range who are not quite poor enough to get the fees rescinded, but who are stressed by these fees.The whole fee thing is very regressive for those families who are just above the FRM cutoff. It's a shame that all this fee stuff ever got started because it seems like we are stuck with it and it's getting worse.
As for parking, there should be no fee. Instead, the parking spots should be given out on the basis of number of credits completed and GPA. More credits and higher GPA gets you a parking space if you need one. This might help test scores more than many of the ideas out there right now.
Welcome to 2013. The economic inequality is being played out everywhere---schools are not exempt---especially in a big county like Fairfax. I, for one, am all for getting rid of ALL fees---which is how it used to be. Public school should not have fees even if people can afford them. There are people in the lower middle income range who are not quite poor enough to get the fees rescinded, but who are stressed by these fees.The whole fee thing is very regressive for those families who are just above the FRM cutoff. It's a shame that all this fee stuff ever got started because it seems like we are stuck with it and it's getting worse.
As for parking, there should be no fee. Instead, the parking spots should be given out on the basis of number of credits completed and GPA. More credits and higher GPA gets you a parking space if you need one. This might help test scores more than many of the ideas out there right now.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
irritated123
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Date: November 17, 2013 09:18PM
I like the idea of linking parking to GPA.
People who don't quite meet FRM can also plead their case with the school system.
The fees are designed to be a breakeven deal. They cover actual costs for individualized supplies.
Has anybody figured out what happens to the portion of the fees that are retained by Central?
We had fees when I was in school back in the Dark Ages.
People who don't quite meet FRM can also plead their case with the school system.
The fees are designed to be a breakeven deal. They cover actual costs for individualized supplies.
Has anybody figured out what happens to the portion of the fees that are retained by Central?
We had fees when I was in school back in the Dark Ages.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
mom245
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Date: November 17, 2013 10:43PM
who's monitoring how the money gets spent?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Rich Teens
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Date: November 17, 2013 10:57PM
The idea of allocating the parking options based on GPA and credits taken would be a good move.
Who's monitoring how the funds get spent? Well, the school system - principal, other top administrators, etc. What could go wrong? :D
I remember having to pay $5.00 a quarter to park at NOVA in the mid-80s. That was a lot of coin back then. Many would park their cars 2 or 3 blocks away from the Annandale campus and walk to the campus. Now? Not sure how much it is. Probably $100+ and they're o the semester system, and not the quarter system anymore. Yes, I'm ancient.
Who's monitoring how the funds get spent? Well, the school system - principal, other top administrators, etc. What could go wrong? :D
I remember having to pay $5.00 a quarter to park at NOVA in the mid-80s. That was a lot of coin back then. Many would park their cars 2 or 3 blocks away from the Annandale campus and walk to the campus. Now? Not sure how much it is. Probably $100+ and they're o the semester system, and not the quarter system anymore. Yes, I'm ancient.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
get over it.
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Date: November 17, 2013 11:17PM
from the inside Wrote:
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> They cater some pretty fancy luncheons with your
> parking money.....
Oh, please, it's $10K at most per school. If you don't think someone who has risen to the level of principal cannot be trusted to spend $10K wisely, you are part of the black helicopter crowd. Article says copy machines and text books. Get real.
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> They cater some pretty fancy luncheons with your
> parking money.....
Oh, please, it's $10K at most per school. If you don't think someone who has risen to the level of principal cannot be trusted to spend $10K wisely, you are part of the black helicopter crowd. Article says copy machines and text books. Get real.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
black helicopter crowd
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Date: November 18, 2013 05:44AM
get over it. Wrote:
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> from the inside Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They cater some pretty fancy luncheons with
> your
> > parking money.....
>
>
> Oh, please, it's $10K at most per school. If you
> don't think someone who has risen to the level of
> principal cannot be trusted to spend $10K wisely,
> you are part of the black helicopter crowd.
> Article says copy machines and text books. Get
> real.
Riiiiight. . . because no principals in FCPS ever embezzle or misappropriate funds for relatives
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> from the inside Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They cater some pretty fancy luncheons with
> your
> > parking money.....
>
>
> Oh, please, it's $10K at most per school. If you
> don't think someone who has risen to the level of
> principal cannot be trusted to spend $10K wisely,
> you are part of the black helicopter crowd.
> Article says copy machines and text books. Get
> real.
Riiiiight. . . because no principals in FCPS ever embezzle or misappropriate funds for relatives
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
kids with cars
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Date: November 18, 2013 07:07AM
The wealthy parents already pay more in taxes that support the poor kids. Why should they pay more to park?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
MV Observer
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Date: November 18, 2013 08:07AM
The quote from Nardos King is at best disingenouous since the school received some sort of technology grant and the school used it to buy all administrators iPads!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
exffx
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Date: November 18, 2013 08:39AM
Why are parking permits subsidized?
Schools don't provide buses anymore?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/18/2013 08:39AM by exffx.
Schools don't provide buses anymore?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/18/2013 08:39AM by exffx.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
School Corruption Monitor
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Date: November 18, 2013 09:34AM
And where, oh where, are the likes of Karen Garza, Patty Reed, Ted Velkoff when you need them?
Why isn't Ed "Man of the Hour" Long all over this?
Have Tammy Kaufax and Ryan McElveen gone over to the dark side?
The parking slush fund probably has more than enough money to pay for these damned turf fields, and here we come to find out it is going for all sorts of personal expenses.
Where's Eric Holder when you need him?
Why isn't Ed "Man of the Hour" Long all over this?
Have Tammy Kaufax and Ryan McElveen gone over to the dark side?
The parking slush fund probably has more than enough money to pay for these damned turf fields, and here we come to find out it is going for all sorts of personal expenses.
Where's Eric Holder when you need him?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Golly gee!
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Date: November 18, 2013 09:45AM
It's the same stupid assholes putting up the same stupid nonsense rant as always. Get a new act, dweebs!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
grumpy
()
Date: November 18, 2013 10:05AM
MV Observer Wrote:
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> The quote from Nardos King is at best
> disingenouous since the school received some sort
> of technology grant and the school used it to buy
> all administrators iPads!
iPad's are not educational tools. Yes my kid can browse the internet on it, but some of the sites that FCPS uses for online texts are written in Flash, which isn't even supported on the iPad.
The online text books are a joke in that you cannot print from many of them. What kind of selection process get textbooks that only work with an internet connection. I'm about as wired as I can be but there are times when my kid could use a hard copy to study from - on the bus, in the car, waiting for a sibling at practice.
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> The quote from Nardos King is at best
> disingenouous since the school received some sort
> of technology grant and the school used it to buy
> all administrators iPads!
iPad's are not educational tools. Yes my kid can browse the internet on it, but some of the sites that FCPS uses for online texts are written in Flash, which isn't even supported on the iPad.
The online text books are a joke in that you cannot print from many of them. What kind of selection process get textbooks that only work with an internet connection. I'm about as wired as I can be but there are times when my kid could use a hard copy to study from - on the bus, in the car, waiting for a sibling at practice.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
LJ4tx
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Date: November 18, 2013 10:22AM
An acre of land costs about $750K in FFX. Another 100K to pave it every 10 years. Another 5K per year to light it, patrol it, insure it, plow it, sand it, clean up fallen trees, etc.
All in, let's say $1M for 20 years of parking lot (which is probably low), or 50K per year. An acre can park about 100 cars. Why aren't parking passes $500 each?
Same thing with sports. Any professionally coached club sport around here will costs between $500 - $1000/season. And that's to pay contractors to work as coaches, not full up FCPS employees with benefits and pensions, using the superior facilities found at schools. Why aren't school sports charging closer to $1000/season versus $100?
Neither parking nor sports are central to the education mission. They are nice to have's, and the parents of the students consuming them should pay the full cost.
All in, let's say $1M for 20 years of parking lot (which is probably low), or 50K per year. An acre can park about 100 cars. Why aren't parking passes $500 each?
Same thing with sports. Any professionally coached club sport around here will costs between $500 - $1000/season. And that's to pay contractors to work as coaches, not full up FCPS employees with benefits and pensions, using the superior facilities found at schools. Why aren't school sports charging closer to $1000/season versus $100?
Neither parking nor sports are central to the education mission. They are nice to have's, and the parents of the students consuming them should pay the full cost.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
RydellRoad
()
Date: November 18, 2013 10:46AM
Rich Teens Wrote:
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> Who's monitoring how the funds get spent? Well,
> the school system - principal, other top
> administrators, etc. What could go wrong? :D
No one is to be trusted it seems. FCPS is trying to eliminate booster clubs and organizations because they can't be trusted with the money. And apparently, FCPS can't be trusted either.
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> Who's monitoring how the funds get spent? Well,
> the school system - principal, other top
> administrators, etc. What could go wrong? :D
No one is to be trusted it seems. FCPS is trying to eliminate booster clubs and organizations because they can't be trusted with the money. And apparently, FCPS can't be trusted either.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Look What I Found
()
Date: November 18, 2013 10:46AM
Another self-serving TEA-bot who wants out of every jointly-funded project he can think of. Comes complete with a factory-installed bogus math accessory. It just gets laughable after a while.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Bleeding Us Dry
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Date: November 18, 2013 10:49AM
If you have enough money to pay for gas and insurance, you shouldn't be on subsidized meal plans.
Driving to school is a luxury, not a necessity. Take the free bus. Reallocate the gas money you're saving towards your college education. That way your family's poverty can end at your generation and stop free loading off of tax payers.
Driving to school is a luxury, not a necessity. Take the free bus. Reallocate the gas money you're saving towards your college education. That way your family's poverty can end at your generation and stop free loading off of tax payers.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
slush fund amateur
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Date: November 18, 2013 10:57AM
The parking pass slush fund is part of an account that is made up of a lot of different things and controlled at the individual school level. I believe it is called the Education Contingent Account, only it also pays for Meals at Maggiano's, pizza parties, Dunkin Donuts, staff spirit wear, and lots of other really fun stuff. Some of these schools are running through $30,000 -$40,000 a year. :>/. !@#$%^&.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Driving vs Bus
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Date: November 18, 2013 11:07AM
I drove to high school when I was in FCPS. It was a luxury but also saved wasted time. Plus encouraged me to participate in after school activities.
Instead of standing around wasting time at the top of my street waiting for a bus for 20 minutes I was already at school. The car was shared between 4 in my family. Two students attending high school at the same time.
I did a lot of after school activities so it also nice to be able to not have to schedule around the late bus times. If I wanted to stay later and work on a project I could.
Instead of standing around wasting time at the top of my street waiting for a bus for 20 minutes I was already at school. The car was shared between 4 in my family. Two students attending high school at the same time.
I did a lot of after school activities so it also nice to be able to not have to schedule around the late bus times. If I wanted to stay later and work on a project I could.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
party on !
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Date: November 18, 2013 11:14AM
slush fund amateur Wrote:
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> The parking pass slush fund is part of an account
> that is made up of a lot of different things and
> controlled at the individual school level. I
> believe it is called the Education Contingent
> Account, only it also pays for Meals at
> Maggiano's, pizza parties, Dunkin Donuts, staff
> spirit wear, and lots of other really fun stuff.
> Some of these schools are running through $30,000
> -$40,000 a year. :>/. !@#$%^&.
Absolutely, and in many cases it is the upper administration only of the school that enjoys the many forays.
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> The parking pass slush fund is part of an account
> that is made up of a lot of different things and
> controlled at the individual school level. I
> believe it is called the Education Contingent
> Account, only it also pays for Meals at
> Maggiano's, pizza parties, Dunkin Donuts, staff
> spirit wear, and lots of other really fun stuff.
> Some of these schools are running through $30,000
> -$40,000 a year. :>/. !@#$%^&.
Absolutely, and in many cases it is the upper administration only of the school that enjoys the many forays.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
inequity
()
Date: November 18, 2013 11:20AM
It isn't just parking revenues that go to wealthier schools.
Sports clubs. Some schools offer sports that others do not; and students from those that do not cannot join clubs at other schools. So if you have wealthy parents, willing to fund a fairly expensive sport at one school, then all students at that school have the opportunity to explore that sport. But if the parents at another school are all working two jobs, not making much money, just don't have time to organize, then the students lose too. VHSL and FCPS rules need to change so that students can join sports clubs at other schools, until their own school has its own organization.
Sports clubs. Some schools offer sports that others do not; and students from those that do not cannot join clubs at other schools. So if you have wealthy parents, willing to fund a fairly expensive sport at one school, then all students at that school have the opportunity to explore that sport. But if the parents at another school are all working two jobs, not making much money, just don't have time to organize, then the students lose too. VHSL and FCPS rules need to change so that students can join sports clubs at other schools, until their own school has its own organization.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Shiny Objects
()
Date: November 18, 2013 11:27AM
I've been to a lot of the Langley pyramid schools - feels like stepping back in time. Most have not been renovated since they were built in the 60's/70's. It's really amazing to see the WaPo focus on 13K in difference between two schools.
The real and amazing difference is staffing. For virtually the same number of students (Langley has 30 more than MV), MV has a staff of 234 and Langley has a staff of 179. That's 30% higher staffing in MV than Langley.
But it's much more fun to talk about about parking, isn't it?
The real and amazing difference is staffing. For virtually the same number of students (Langley has 30 more than MV), MV has a staff of 234 and Langley has a staff of 179. That's 30% higher staffing in MV than Langley.
But it's much more fun to talk about about parking, isn't it?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
duh..
()
Date: November 18, 2013 11:29AM
inequity Wrote:
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> So if you have
> wealthy parents, willing to fund a fairly
> expensive sport at one school, then all students
> at that school have the opportunity to explore
> that sport. But if the parents at another school
> are all working two jobs, not making much money,
> just don't have time to organize, then the
> students lose too.
Congratulations, you have figured out it sucks to be poor.
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> So if you have
> wealthy parents, willing to fund a fairly
> expensive sport at one school, then all students
> at that school have the opportunity to explore
> that sport. But if the parents at another school
> are all working two jobs, not making much money,
> just don't have time to organize, then the
> students lose too.
Congratulations, you have figured out it sucks to be poor.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
momoftwo
()
Date: November 18, 2013 12:00PM
I have paid for parking for two kids. They were both very involved in after school activities, the late bus schedule doesn't correlate with the activities schedules, and I didn't like the idea of attractive young girls wandering around in the dark along side streets all by themselves to get to their cars or get to school. I felt the safety issue was paramount. I thought a dollar a day was worth it. This was not a luxury. Our family schedules were all over the place and it meant my children could get themselves home or to work much easier, and also get an extra half hour of sleep in the morning, since they didn't have to wait at the bus stop, have an extended bus ride, and had a reserved spot.
Everything isn't going to be equal in life, even at public school. Yes, your life can be affected by your Zip code and lots of other things. Deal with it. My kids drove used and hand-me-down cars while their peers were driving new Beamers. They went to Prom in a minivan or Dad's car instead of a limo and were perfectly happy to do that. And, they also had clean driving records and good grades, while some of the other kids wrecked a couple of fancy cars and/or barely passed high school. They were raised to understand life isn't handed to them on a silver platter. We are in a high-end Zip code, but had other priorities and watched the money very carefully.
Everything isn't going to be equal in life, even at public school. Yes, your life can be affected by your Zip code and lots of other things. Deal with it. My kids drove used and hand-me-down cars while their peers were driving new Beamers. They went to Prom in a minivan or Dad's car instead of a limo and were perfectly happy to do that. And, they also had clean driving records and good grades, while some of the other kids wrecked a couple of fancy cars and/or barely passed high school. They were raised to understand life isn't handed to them on a silver platter. We are in a high-end Zip code, but had other priorities and watched the money very carefully.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
insider56
()
Date: November 19, 2013 07:07AM
The high school principals are indeed spending the parking pass money and other stuff on everything but stuff for education. Unless you consider 20 boxes of donuts, etc. to be educational. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are being used for entertainment purposes. There aren't too many copy machines, textbooks, and extra staff being purchased with that money. the article is not accurate. but, you only know what you are told. some of it is going to student purposes, but not much.
It is a basic unsupervised slush fund bilking taxpayers and diverting money away from kids. Party on! is right.
contact your school board person and ask for an explanation.
It is a basic unsupervised slush fund bilking taxpayers and diverting money away from kids. Party on! is right.
contact your school board person and ask for an explanation.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Shiny Objects
()
Date: November 19, 2013 09:41AM
You have to wonder about the Post. FCPS has a 5% budget shortfall and are of course talking about cutting every goody they can to fire up the various constituencies. Nothing like waving the bloody shirt of cuts to language immersion, right?
So the Post runs an article about a 10K difference between schools on parking fees?
So the Post runs an article about a 10K difference between schools on parking fees?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
cost to collect
()
Date: November 19, 2013 11:06AM
Is anyone goiing to mention the simple fact that the schools now employ a full time person whoc spends time (on FCPS payroll) each day driving thru the parking lot in a golf cart checking for the parking permits?
Doe they really net anything after this person's salary/benefits, etc???
Doe they really net anything after this person's salary/benefits, etc???
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
really pissed off taxpayer
()
Date: November 19, 2013 01:12PM
What the hell is going on here? Why are taxpayer dollars going to major donut runs and entertainment? Shut the damn slush fund down and make these people pay back the county for their good times on the public dollar.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
how good are our schools?
()
Date: November 19, 2013 01:20PM
Look at how well Annandale writes when begging for turf money:
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1363355.html
Good bye, Karen Garza.
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1363355.html
Good bye, Karen Garza.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
In the know34
()
Date: November 19, 2013 02:09PM
I work for the school system and yes this is a slush fund used for lots of parties, entertainment, etc. I am glad somebody finally brought this up.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
racist attitudes
()
Date: November 19, 2013 02:55PM
I won't name the high school but at one school the principal would buy staff (teachers) lunch at Panera, Panda Express, etc. The custodians got KFC.
Not making this up.
Not making this up.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
C'mon...
()
Date: November 19, 2013 03:50PM
racist attitudes Wrote:
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> I won't name the high school but at one school the
> principal would buy staff (teachers) lunch at
> Panera, Panda Express, etc. The custodians got
> KFC.
>
> Not making this up.
Perhaps that's what the custodians asked for?
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> I won't name the high school but at one school the
> principal would buy staff (teachers) lunch at
> Panera, Panda Express, etc. The custodians got
> KFC.
>
> Not making this up.
Perhaps that's what the custodians asked for?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Get a Grip
()
Date: November 19, 2013 04:17PM
In the know34 Wrote:
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> I work for the school system and yes this is a
> slush fund used for lots of parties,
> entertainment, etc. I am glad somebody finally
> brought this up.
I don't know why everyone has such heartburn about this. So maybe $20 of the annual parking pass cost goes to activities that improve school morale. If you can afford the car and the pass, you can afford the $20. Especially around here. And no, I don't work for the school system.
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> I work for the school system and yes this is a
> slush fund used for lots of parties,
> entertainment, etc. I am glad somebody finally
> brought this up.
I don't know why everyone has such heartburn about this. So maybe $20 of the annual parking pass cost goes to activities that improve school morale. If you can afford the car and the pass, you can afford the $20. Especially around here. And no, I don't work for the school system.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Whaaahaaa
()
Date: November 19, 2013 05:49PM
Jealousy. You are all just jealous you didn't do the same thing. Quit yer bitchin'
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
In the Know34
()
Date: November 19, 2013 06:57PM
I think $10,000-$25,000 a year is a lot. Ruth's Chris? Huh?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
wait a minute
()
Date: November 19, 2013 07:08PM
I think most taxpayers would rather see public money spent on things other than catered lunches, fancy restaurants, donuts, ice cream, etc.
How about some learning materials, classroom extras, etc.
Is the School Board turning a blind eye on this? I have had quite enough of hearing about government workers taking the plastic and charging it up to the taxpayer, just in your face arrogance. I think it is called embezzlement.
How about some learning materials, classroom extras, etc.
Is the School Board turning a blind eye on this? I have had quite enough of hearing about government workers taking the plastic and charging it up to the taxpayer, just in your face arrogance. I think it is called embezzlement.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
whos watching the bank?
()
Date: November 19, 2013 07:44PM
racist attitudes Wrote:
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> I won't name the high school but at one school the
> principal would buy staff (teachers) lunch at
> Panera, Panda Express, etc. The custodians got
> KFC.
>
> Not making this up.
At the school I worked at, this would happen more than just a few times over the course of the year. Basically that money is for whatever the principal wants to use it for. It would be shocking to see those bills for entertaining a couple hundred employees. Yet there are no raises for anyone. Very unethical.
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> I won't name the high school but at one school the
> principal would buy staff (teachers) lunch at
> Panera, Panda Express, etc. The custodians got
> KFC.
>
> Not making this up.
At the school I worked at, this would happen more than just a few times over the course of the year. Basically that money is for whatever the principal wants to use it for. It would be shocking to see those bills for entertaining a couple hundred employees. Yet there are no raises for anyone. Very unethical.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
whos watching the bank?
()
Date: November 19, 2013 07:44PM
racist attitudes Wrote:
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> I won't name the high school but at one school the
> principal would buy staff (teachers) lunch at
> Panera, Panda Express, etc. The custodians got
> KFC.
>
> Not making this up.
At the school I worked at, this would happen more than just a few times over the course of the year. Basically that money is for whatever the principal wants to use it for. It would be shocking to see those bills for entertaining a couple hundred employees. Yet there are no raises for anyone. Very unethical.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I won't name the high school but at one school the
> principal would buy staff (teachers) lunch at
> Panera, Panda Express, etc. The custodians got
> KFC.
>
> Not making this up.
At the school I worked at, this would happen more than just a few times over the course of the year. Basically that money is for whatever the principal wants to use it for. It would be shocking to see those bills for entertaining a couple hundred employees. Yet there are no raises for anyone. Very unethical.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
who IS watching the bank?
()
Date: November 19, 2013 08:57PM
What the Hell is going on here? Are they doing this because they aren't getting raises? I wish I could dip into other people's money, too, whenever I want to cheer up and am not happy about no raises.
I haven't had a raise in years. I am told to just suck it up. I get maybe one meal a year from my employer. My salary is supposed to pay for my meals, and I eat leftovers. I would be fired for misusing a government or corporate credit card. Aren't there any limits on what can be spent for morale builders? Feeding 200 people doesn't ever come cheap. Several times a year? I would estimate at least $1500-$2000 each time. How many high schools are there? 20 or 25? Doesn't anybody hold the principals accountable for this? What are the expectations and the limits for the use of this fund?
Whoever isn't upset about this must not be paying any taxes. Probably those same people who are getting the free parking, free meals, want taxpayers to buy a car for them, etc.
Party on? What a bunch of crap.
somebody pull the records from the schools and put it out there. How about that newspaper guy? Sounds like a story to me.
I haven't had a raise in years. I am told to just suck it up. I get maybe one meal a year from my employer. My salary is supposed to pay for my meals, and I eat leftovers. I would be fired for misusing a government or corporate credit card. Aren't there any limits on what can be spent for morale builders? Feeding 200 people doesn't ever come cheap. Several times a year? I would estimate at least $1500-$2000 each time. How many high schools are there? 20 or 25? Doesn't anybody hold the principals accountable for this? What are the expectations and the limits for the use of this fund?
Whoever isn't upset about this must not be paying any taxes. Probably those same people who are getting the free parking, free meals, want taxpayers to buy a car for them, etc.
Party on? What a bunch of crap.
somebody pull the records from the schools and put it out there. How about that newspaper guy? Sounds like a story to me.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
on the job
()
Date: November 19, 2013 09:20PM
Teachers aren't getting any of this money--at the ritzy schools ptsa and boosters pay for stuff like that--its all gravy for admin and their pet projects.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Poor Jack Dale
()
Date: November 19, 2013 09:55PM
We need to look into his dealings with the FCPS before we fully pay his retirement.
We need a full audit.
We need a full audit.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
ridiculous scam
()
Date: November 20, 2013 07:19AM
Since when does a group of 200 government workers buy lunch for the whole gang several times a year and bill the taxpayers for it? I can't believe this.
somebody tipped me off that when your kid loses a textbook the fine you pay goes into this cesspool fund, also. so, when you pay $150 for that lost book, the principal actually gets to go to Da Domenico with their pals courtesy of you? I thought that the fine was going to replace the book.
Silly me.
somebody tipped me off that when your kid loses a textbook the fine you pay goes into this cesspool fund, also. so, when you pay $150 for that lost book, the principal actually gets to go to Da Domenico with their pals courtesy of you? I thought that the fine was going to replace the book.
Silly me.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
this is bs
()
Date: November 20, 2013 08:34AM
who IS watching the bank? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What the Hell is going on here? Are they doing
> this because they aren't getting raises? I wish I
> could dip into other people's money, too, whenever
> I want to cheer up and am not happy about no
> raises.
>
> I haven't had a raise in years. I am told to just
> suck it up. I get maybe one meal a year from my
> employer. My salary is supposed to pay for my
> meals, and I eat leftovers. I would be fired for
> misusing a government or corporate credit card.
> Aren't there any limits on what can be spent for
> morale builders? Feeding 200 people doesn't ever
> come cheap. Several times a year? I would estimate
> at least $1500-$2000 each time. How many high
> schools are there? 20 or 25? Doesn't anybody hold
> the principals accountable for this? What are the
> expectations and the limits for the use of this
> fund?
>
> Whoever isn't upset about this must not be paying
> any taxes. Probably those same people who are
> getting the free parking, free meals, want
> taxpayers to buy a car for them, etc.
>
> Party on? What a bunch of crap.
>
> somebody pull the records from the schools and put
> it out there. How about that newspaper guy? Sounds
> like a story to me.
Let the Times have at it. I think the Post encourages this kind of stuff.
-------------------------------------------------------
> What the Hell is going on here? Are they doing
> this because they aren't getting raises? I wish I
> could dip into other people's money, too, whenever
> I want to cheer up and am not happy about no
> raises.
>
> I haven't had a raise in years. I am told to just
> suck it up. I get maybe one meal a year from my
> employer. My salary is supposed to pay for my
> meals, and I eat leftovers. I would be fired for
> misusing a government or corporate credit card.
> Aren't there any limits on what can be spent for
> morale builders? Feeding 200 people doesn't ever
> come cheap. Several times a year? I would estimate
> at least $1500-$2000 each time. How many high
> schools are there? 20 or 25? Doesn't anybody hold
> the principals accountable for this? What are the
> expectations and the limits for the use of this
> fund?
>
> Whoever isn't upset about this must not be paying
> any taxes. Probably those same people who are
> getting the free parking, free meals, want
> taxpayers to buy a car for them, etc.
>
> Party on? What a bunch of crap.
>
> somebody pull the records from the schools and put
> it out there. How about that newspaper guy? Sounds
> like a story to me.
Let the Times have at it. I think the Post encourages this kind of stuff.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
touchy touchy
()
Date: November 20, 2013 09:52AM
I call tell you that they're getting touchy in school board land. An email to a board member got a terse reply from the Garza herself.
What's next?
What's next?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
this is bs
()
Date: November 20, 2013 10:56AM
touchy touchy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I call tell you that they're getting touchy in
> school board land. An email to a board member got
> a terse reply from the Garza herself.
>
> What's next?
Is this good or bad? She works for them. That shows it is getting through the system. What was the email about? The Slush Fund, hopefully? What did it say? Post it. Were you asking about the next party? You should be invited if you are paying for it, the way I look at it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I call tell you that they're getting touchy in
> school board land. An email to a board member got
> a terse reply from the Garza herself.
>
> What's next?
Is this good or bad? She works for them. That shows it is getting through the system. What was the email about? The Slush Fund, hopefully? What did it say? Post it. Were you asking about the next party? You should be invited if you are paying for it, the way I look at it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
what???????????
()
Date: November 20, 2013 11:51AM
Just heard from a reliable source that when you pay a rental fee to use to a school property for private purposes, it also goes into this slush fund.
I am sure the weekend church services would love to hear that. Your collection plate proceeds at work "providing for students".
I am sure the weekend church services would love to hear that. Your collection plate proceeds at work "providing for students".
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
fantom finance
()
Date: November 20, 2013 03:01PM
You know those communications towers on school grounds, the ones the greenies say are going to give their kids cancer?
Money from those goes into the slush fund, also.
Maybe guess that means better reception when you call in your order.
Money from those goes into the slush fund, also.
Maybe guess that means better reception when you call in your order.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Well Ms Garza?
()
Date: November 20, 2013 03:09PM
I was told that the County rented the atrium at Meadowlark Gardens this summer for a principals catered meeting. I guess all the school auditoriums and cafeterias were booked that day. What does it cost to rent that venue?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
MV Fan
()
Date: November 20, 2013 03:24PM
what??????????? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Just heard from a reliable source that when you
> pay a rental fee to use to a school property for
> private purposes, it also goes into this slush
> fund.
>
> I am sure the weekend church services would love
> to hear that. Your collection plate proceeds at
> work "providing for students".
Well, they do have to pay for custodians to be there, but doubt what you have to pay is what the custodian gets.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Just heard from a reliable source that when you
> pay a rental fee to use to a school property for
> private purposes, it also goes into this slush
> fund.
>
> I am sure the weekend church services would love
> to hear that. Your collection plate proceeds at
> work "providing for students".
Well, they do have to pay for custodians to be there, but doubt what you have to pay is what the custodian gets.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
MV Fan
()
Date: November 20, 2013 03:26PM
Well Ms Garza? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I was told that the County rented the atrium at
> Meadowlark Gardens this summer for a principals
> catered meeting. I guess all the school
> auditoriums and cafeterias were booked that day.
> What does it cost to rent that venue?
This goes to the image that the cental admin presents. Even though it's a small %age of the budget, they ought to eliminate all the travel, conferences, retreats, etc that principals and administrators go to, just as a good faith gesture that they are serious about cutting anything that does not contribute directly to the classroom.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I was told that the County rented the atrium at
> Meadowlark Gardens this summer for a principals
> catered meeting. I guess all the school
> auditoriums and cafeterias were booked that day.
> What does it cost to rent that venue?
This goes to the image that the cental admin presents. Even though it's a small %age of the budget, they ought to eliminate all the travel, conferences, retreats, etc that principals and administrators go to, just as a good faith gesture that they are serious about cutting anything that does not contribute directly to the classroom.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
mystery solved
()
Date: November 20, 2013 03:27PM
Well Ms Garza? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I was told that the County rented the atrium at
> Meadowlark Gardens this summer for a principals
> catered meeting. I guess all the school
> auditoriums and cafeterias were booked that day.
> What does it cost to rent that venue?
Website says $680 for 8 hours. Plus catering, of course. No brown baggers for that, I am sure.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I was told that the County rented the atrium at
> Meadowlark Gardens this summer for a principals
> catered meeting. I guess all the school
> auditoriums and cafeterias were booked that day.
> What does it cost to rent that venue?
Website says $680 for 8 hours. Plus catering, of course. No brown baggers for that, I am sure.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
just ask
()
Date: November 20, 2013 06:03PM
MV Fan Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well Ms Garza? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was told that the County rented the atrium at
> > Meadowlark Gardens this summer for a
> principals
> > catered meeting. I guess all the school
> > auditoriums and cafeterias were booked that
> day.
> > What does it cost to rent that venue?
>
> This goes to the image that the cental admin
> presents. Even though it's a small %age of the
> budget, they ought to eliminate all the travel,
> conferences, retreats, etc that principals and
> administrators go to, just as a good faith gesture
> that they are serious about cutting anything that
> does not contribute directly to the classroom.
You can ask for the records. You paid for it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Well Ms Garza? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was told that the County rented the atrium at
> > Meadowlark Gardens this summer for a
> principals
> > catered meeting. I guess all the school
> > auditoriums and cafeterias were booked that
> day.
> > What does it cost to rent that venue?
>
> This goes to the image that the cental admin
> presents. Even though it's a small %age of the
> budget, they ought to eliminate all the travel,
> conferences, retreats, etc that principals and
> administrators go to, just as a good faith gesture
> that they are serious about cutting anything that
> does not contribute directly to the classroom.
You can ask for the records. You paid for it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
busy packing lunch!
()
Date: November 21, 2013 06:55AM
What is going on here? My spouse has worked a government job for over 30 years. I am tallying up 8,000 Lean Pockets, apples, and paper lunch bags. Because there is not supposed to be any Free Lunch in government work.
Next thing we will hear about will be line dancing seminars like at the IRS.
Next thing we will hear about will be line dancing seminars like at the IRS.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Karen Garza's Sweet Spot
()
Date: November 21, 2013 10:10AM
Email Garza about this-you'll get a terse reply. I guess she thought that if she expanded sports and laid down turf, no one would care about stuff like this.
At large school board members Ryan McElveen and Ilryong Moon aren't answering emails on this topic. Providence member Patty Reed forwarded the email to her to Garza's office.
This is clearly a touchy topic.
Whoever the new Attorney General turns out to be, he needs to take a look at this and maybe lock a few people up…
At large school board members Ryan McElveen and Ilryong Moon aren't answering emails on this topic. Providence member Patty Reed forwarded the email to her to Garza's office.
This is clearly a touchy topic.
Whoever the new Attorney General turns out to be, he needs to take a look at this and maybe lock a few people up…
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
racist attitude please clarify
()
Date: November 21, 2013 10:21AM
racist attitudes Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I won't name the high school but at one school the
> principal would buy staff (teachers) lunch at
> Panera, Panda Express, etc. The custodians got
> KFC.
>
> Not making this up.
So are you saying that when you are misapplying public dollars you are supposed to treat everybody equally? Are you saying the people stealing the public's money are not focused enough on Equal Opportunity? Are they supposed to be? Would this be OK if they were channeling the Maggiano's into the custodial staff? Do the custodians feel slighted? Perhaps there should be some guidance in how to do this so that nobody feels left out or slighted. I feel their pain.
"Any money stolen from Fairfax County taxpayers that directly benefits staff shall be applied equally to all socioeconomic and pay band levels."
Hmmm.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I won't name the high school but at one school the
> principal would buy staff (teachers) lunch at
> Panera, Panda Express, etc. The custodians got
> KFC.
>
> Not making this up.
So are you saying that when you are misapplying public dollars you are supposed to treat everybody equally? Are you saying the people stealing the public's money are not focused enough on Equal Opportunity? Are they supposed to be? Would this be OK if they were channeling the Maggiano's into the custodial staff? Do the custodians feel slighted? Perhaps there should be some guidance in how to do this so that nobody feels left out or slighted. I feel their pain.
"Any money stolen from Fairfax County taxpayers that directly benefits staff shall be applied equally to all socioeconomic and pay band levels."
Hmmm.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
curious one
()
Date: November 21, 2013 10:30AM
Post the terse reply.
Has anybody pulled any records?
Has anybody pulled any records?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
better yet
()
Date: November 21, 2013 11:02AM
curious one Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Post the terse reply.
> Has anybody pulled any records?
FOIA (or whatever they call it in VA) all of the email. It is a public record. I'll bet they're getting a ton of it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Post the terse reply.
> Has anybody pulled any records?
FOIA (or whatever they call it in VA) all of the email. It is a public record. I'll bet they're getting a ton of it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
curious one
()
Date: November 21, 2013 11:11AM
I think a bunch of people need to FOIA the accounts at the high schools. The emails would be interesting, also, but until the accounts in question are made public, we don't know for sure. Validate the information first.
Just ask to see the account(s) where the parking pass and lost book fines go. That oughta do it. Don't know about the communications towers, but you can try throwing that in there, also. Hell, why not.
Anybody interested??????????????????????????????????????
Just ask to see the account(s) where the parking pass and lost book fines go. That oughta do it. Don't know about the communications towers, but you can try throwing that in there, also. Hell, why not.
Anybody interested??????????????????????????????????????
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
here you go
()
Date: November 21, 2013 02:32PM
ask and you shall receive.....
At one school, they took in $19,815. They had to give FCPS $16677 and they kept $2943.
They blew it on the following:
3 jackets for security personnel $831
K-9 police-a drug sweep $1120
couldn't follow the rest-I think a page is missing.
At one school, they took in $19,815. They had to give FCPS $16677 and they kept $2943.
They blew it on the following:
3 jackets for security personnel $831
K-9 police-a drug sweep $1120
couldn't follow the rest-I think a page is missing.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
athletic accounts have more $
()
Date: November 21, 2013 02:49PM
At this same school I reviewed the athletic ledger. What I found most odd was a beginning balance of MINUS $28,163.64 from the previous year.
Not sure how that happens.
Most of the revenue listed comes from gate receipts and a "gold card fundraiser". The revenue is $196k-significantly larger slush fund than the parking receipts from above.
Expenses include:
AR-JON Portable toilets
umpire.ref fees
tournament fees
athletic trainer equipment
fertilizer for fields $4065
football helmet reconditioning $4681
jackets for admins $1857
Not sure how that happens.
Most of the revenue listed comes from gate receipts and a "gold card fundraiser". The revenue is $196k-significantly larger slush fund than the parking receipts from above.
Expenses include:
AR-JON Portable toilets
umpire.ref fees
tournament fees
athletic trainer equipment
fertilizer for fields $4065
football helmet reconditioning $4681
jackets for admins $1857
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
WAY TO GO HERE YOU GO
()
Date: November 21, 2013 02:55PM
Good for you. Pull all the high schools for a couple of years and see what gives. A drug sweep is always a good idea. A worthy cause.
Do you have the right accounts? What is the name of the account?
Do you have the right accounts? What is the name of the account?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
keep looking
()
Date: November 21, 2013 03:06PM
I've seen an EC account showing $25,000 from one year on restaurants. No kidding.
Somebody I know got a couple of them. Here's another one. Maggiano's $2300, Cheesecake Factory $300, lots more. Holy Toledo. I am SO jealous.
Somebody I know got a couple of them. Here's another one. Maggiano's $2300, Cheesecake Factory $300, lots more. Holy Toledo. I am SO jealous.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
not an expert
()
Date: November 21, 2013 03:52PM
WAY TO GO HERE YOU GO Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Good for you. Pull all the high schools for a
> couple of years and see what gives. A drug sweep
> is always a good idea. A worthy cause.
>
> Do you have the right accounts? What is the name
> of the account?
Not sure how many different accounts the schools have, I only have parking fees and athletics.
I am sure there are others.
I do not get how a school runs up a $30k deficit. Who covers them?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Good for you. Pull all the high schools for a
> couple of years and see what gives. A drug sweep
> is always a good idea. A worthy cause.
>
> Do you have the right accounts? What is the name
> of the account?
Not sure how many different accounts the schools have, I only have parking fees and athletics.
I am sure there are others.
I do not get how a school runs up a $30k deficit. Who covers them?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
more
()
Date: November 21, 2013 04:14PM
ok, found another one-this one is called Educational Contingency/General Rev Exp account.
much much more interesting....
credits were $19500 from the following:
vendor payments?? not sure?? vending machines??
entry for parking-school profit?? not sure how that works?
expenditures are many...
Famous Daves Admin Team $290
teacher donuts $155
Waffles work day-Paradise ice cream $618.75
teacher appreciation gifts-post its? $1172
retirement-irish crystal $623
faculty breakfast silver diner $1097
total expenditures=$12500
much much more interesting....
credits were $19500 from the following:
vendor payments?? not sure?? vending machines??
entry for parking-school profit?? not sure how that works?
expenditures are many...
Famous Daves Admin Team $290
teacher donuts $155
Waffles work day-Paradise ice cream $618.75
teacher appreciation gifts-post its? $1172
retirement-irish crystal $623
faculty breakfast silver diner $1097
total expenditures=$12500
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
let's look at this
()
Date: November 21, 2013 10:08PM
I am going to generalize on this.
Educational Contingency General Rev/Exp (covers about 8 months)
Income $19,000 including a $4000 transfer from somewhere to "cover the deficit"(that doesn't sound too good-I guess they were spending more than they had), about $700 in building rental, $1700 in retained tuition, $8400 for parking, another $4000 deposit labeled purchases(?).
Total Expenses about $18,000. Including- $190 to Chef Express, $160 at dunkin donuts, Lost dog café five purchases totaling $600, Maggiano's $2300, Books a Million $2300 (whew-finally), Cheesecake Factory $3300, Café Rio $160, Jason's Deli two visits totally $400, multiple coffees/holiday parties running $300 each, lots of flowers, $2200 in jackets and vests, $150 at Subway, $70 at Chipotle, lots and lots and lots and lots of snacks. At and T mobility about $1400, HSPA dues and breakfast totaling $275, faculty lunch $546, $260 on flashlights and lunch bags,
the Books a Million and maybe some pens look to be about the only student related stuff.
I have a few others I will take a look at.
Educational Contingency General Rev/Exp (covers about 8 months)
Income $19,000 including a $4000 transfer from somewhere to "cover the deficit"(that doesn't sound too good-I guess they were spending more than they had), about $700 in building rental, $1700 in retained tuition, $8400 for parking, another $4000 deposit labeled purchases(?).
Total Expenses about $18,000. Including- $190 to Chef Express, $160 at dunkin donuts, Lost dog café five purchases totaling $600, Maggiano's $2300, Books a Million $2300 (whew-finally), Cheesecake Factory $3300, Café Rio $160, Jason's Deli two visits totally $400, multiple coffees/holiday parties running $300 each, lots of flowers, $2200 in jackets and vests, $150 at Subway, $70 at Chipotle, lots and lots and lots and lots of snacks. At and T mobility about $1400, HSPA dues and breakfast totaling $275, faculty lunch $546, $260 on flashlights and lunch bags,
the Books a Million and maybe some pens look to be about the only student related stuff.
I have a few others I will take a look at.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
correction
()
Date: November 22, 2013 06:55AM
Cheesecake Factory $300. NOT $3300.
I have a masterpiece in the works. Stay tuned.
Educational contingency is the way to go, for sure.
I think every high school needs a look, and for a couple of years.
I have a masterpiece in the works. Stay tuned.
Educational contingency is the way to go, for sure.
I think every high school needs a look, and for a couple of years.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
auditors
()
Date: November 22, 2013 08:00AM
correction Wrote:
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> Cheesecake Factory $300. NOT $3300.
>
>
> I have a masterpiece in the works. Stay tuned.
> Educational contingency is the way to go, for
> sure.
> I think every high school needs a look, and for a
> couple of years.
keep em coming but specify the schools if you can
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cheesecake Factory $300. NOT $3300.
>
>
> I have a masterpiece in the works. Stay tuned.
> Educational contingency is the way to go, for
> sure.
> I think every high school needs a look, and for a
> couple of years.
keep em coming but specify the schools if you can
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
fasten your seatbelts, folks
()
Date: November 22, 2013 09:52AM
OK 2.5 years of information here for one high school.
Educational Contingency Account 2.5 years
These are very rough numbers. Did this over my Costco coffee this morning. Gotta save up to pay my taxes!!!!!
Income-$109,000 Expenditures $105,000
Income Summary-
Vending machine profits $25,000
Parking Fees retained $35,000
Building rental $19,000
Monopole income $7800
Lost textbooks $1700
retained tuition $3200
There WERE some reimbursements totaling about $11,000 for some staff luncheons and things, plus an assist for holiday luncheon in the amount of $2700. Source not clear.
Expenditures-
College Board $400 (nice move, there)
$4000 for football uniforms
Staff clothing $18,000
Staff luncheons $17,000 including several running $2000-$2700
Smoothies $700
Staff movie event $352
Ice Cream $500
flowers $360
Candy $1200
Carnival cups $1500
Things Remembered and crystal/clocks/rocker $2200
Restaurants 200 entries totaling about $24,000
Grocery stores- 50 entries totaling about $3200, some as much as $100-$300
Restaurant Honorable Mentions-
Santini's- 41 entries totaling $4700 ranging as much as $200-$500
Corner Bakery- over $2000 $200-$300+ purchases
Artie's-about $3000 including a $500 deal and several $200-$300
Italian Gourmet-well over $1000
Morton's of Reston-single purchase of $587
George's in LaJolla $350 single purchase
27 Bistro in Richmond $111
Honey Baked Ham $800 single purchase
Capital Grill $750 single purchase
Four Sisters-hundreds
Jackson's- $125
Ozzie's- $300
Anita's- $350, $256, $200
Einstein's, Dunkin, Panera, Popeyes, Domino's, Amphora, Dogfish, Sweetwater, Uncle Julio's, Bottoms up Pizza, Silverado, Luciano's, Chevy's, Famous Dave's, etc. etc.
My recommendation is for a team to pull 2-3 years on every high school.
I know the School Board and the Superintendents are aware of this.
I want an explanation. I doubt I will ever get one.
Educational Contingency Account 2.5 years
These are very rough numbers. Did this over my Costco coffee this morning. Gotta save up to pay my taxes!!!!!
Income-$109,000 Expenditures $105,000
Income Summary-
Vending machine profits $25,000
Parking Fees retained $35,000
Building rental $19,000
Monopole income $7800
Lost textbooks $1700
retained tuition $3200
There WERE some reimbursements totaling about $11,000 for some staff luncheons and things, plus an assist for holiday luncheon in the amount of $2700. Source not clear.
Expenditures-
College Board $400 (nice move, there)
$4000 for football uniforms
Staff clothing $18,000
Staff luncheons $17,000 including several running $2000-$2700
Smoothies $700
Staff movie event $352
Ice Cream $500
flowers $360
Candy $1200
Carnival cups $1500
Things Remembered and crystal/clocks/rocker $2200
Restaurants 200 entries totaling about $24,000
Grocery stores- 50 entries totaling about $3200, some as much as $100-$300
Restaurant Honorable Mentions-
Santini's- 41 entries totaling $4700 ranging as much as $200-$500
Corner Bakery- over $2000 $200-$300+ purchases
Artie's-about $3000 including a $500 deal and several $200-$300
Italian Gourmet-well over $1000
Morton's of Reston-single purchase of $587
George's in LaJolla $350 single purchase
27 Bistro in Richmond $111
Honey Baked Ham $800 single purchase
Capital Grill $750 single purchase
Four Sisters-hundreds
Jackson's- $125
Ozzie's- $300
Anita's- $350, $256, $200
Einstein's, Dunkin, Panera, Popeyes, Domino's, Amphora, Dogfish, Sweetwater, Uncle Julio's, Bottoms up Pizza, Silverado, Luciano's, Chevy's, Famous Dave's, etc. etc.
My recommendation is for a team to pull 2-3 years on every high school.
I know the School Board and the Superintendents are aware of this.
I want an explanation. I doubt I will ever get one.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Pat Colons
()
Date: November 22, 2013 10:55AM
fasten your seatbelts, folks Wrote:
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> OK 2.5 years of information here for one high
> school.
>
> Educational Contingency Account 2.5 years
>
> These are very rough numbers. Did this over my
> Costco coffee this morning. Gotta save up to pay
> my taxes!!!!!
>
>
> Income-$109,000 Expenditures $105,000
>
> Income Summary-
>
> Vending machine profits $25,000
> Parking Fees retained $35,000
> Building rental $19,000
> Monopole income $7800
> Lost textbooks $1700
> retained tuition $3200
>
> There WERE some reimbursements totaling about
> $11,000 for some staff luncheons and things, plus
> an assist for holiday luncheon in the amount of
> $2700. Source not clear.
>
> Expenditures-
>
> College Board $400 (nice move, there)
> $4000 for football uniforms
>
> Staff clothing $18,000
> Staff luncheons $17,000 including several running
> $2000-$2700
> Smoothies $700
> Staff movie event $352
> Ice Cream $500
> flowers $360
> Candy $1200
> Carnival cups $1500
> Things Remembered and crystal/clocks/rocker $2200
> Restaurants 200 entries totaling about $24,000
> Grocery stores- 50 entries totaling about $3200,
> some as much as $100-$300
>
> Restaurant Honorable Mentions-
>
> Santini's- 41 entries totaling $4700 ranging as
> much as $200-$500
> Corner Bakery- over $2000 $200-$300+ purchases
> Artie's-about $3000 including a $500 deal and
> several $200-$300
> Italian Gourmet-well over $1000
> Morton's of Reston-single purchase of $587
> George's in LaJolla $350 single purchase
> 27 Bistro in Richmond $111
> Honey Baked Ham $800 single purchase
> Capital Grill $750 single purchase
> Four Sisters-hundreds
> Jackson's- $125
> Ozzie's- $300
> Anita's- $350, $256, $200
> Einstein's, Dunkin, Panera, Popeyes, Domino's,
> Amphora, Dogfish, Sweetwater, Uncle Julio's,
> Bottoms up Pizza, Silverado, Luciano's, Chevy's,
> Famous Dave's, etc. etc.
>
> My recommendation is for a team to pull 2-3 years
> on every high school.
>
> I know the School Board and the Superintendents
> are aware of this.
>
> I want an explanation. I doubt I will ever get
> one.
Maybe the Post or one of the TV channels can
-------------------------------------------------------
> OK 2.5 years of information here for one high
> school.
>
> Educational Contingency Account 2.5 years
>
> These are very rough numbers. Did this over my
> Costco coffee this morning. Gotta save up to pay
> my taxes!!!!!
>
>
> Income-$109,000 Expenditures $105,000
>
> Income Summary-
>
> Vending machine profits $25,000
> Parking Fees retained $35,000
> Building rental $19,000
> Monopole income $7800
> Lost textbooks $1700
> retained tuition $3200
>
> There WERE some reimbursements totaling about
> $11,000 for some staff luncheons and things, plus
> an assist for holiday luncheon in the amount of
> $2700. Source not clear.
>
> Expenditures-
>
> College Board $400 (nice move, there)
> $4000 for football uniforms
>
> Staff clothing $18,000
> Staff luncheons $17,000 including several running
> $2000-$2700
> Smoothies $700
> Staff movie event $352
> Ice Cream $500
> flowers $360
> Candy $1200
> Carnival cups $1500
> Things Remembered and crystal/clocks/rocker $2200
> Restaurants 200 entries totaling about $24,000
> Grocery stores- 50 entries totaling about $3200,
> some as much as $100-$300
>
> Restaurant Honorable Mentions-
>
> Santini's- 41 entries totaling $4700 ranging as
> much as $200-$500
> Corner Bakery- over $2000 $200-$300+ purchases
> Artie's-about $3000 including a $500 deal and
> several $200-$300
> Italian Gourmet-well over $1000
> Morton's of Reston-single purchase of $587
> George's in LaJolla $350 single purchase
> 27 Bistro in Richmond $111
> Honey Baked Ham $800 single purchase
> Capital Grill $750 single purchase
> Four Sisters-hundreds
> Jackson's- $125
> Ozzie's- $300
> Anita's- $350, $256, $200
> Einstein's, Dunkin, Panera, Popeyes, Domino's,
> Amphora, Dogfish, Sweetwater, Uncle Julio's,
> Bottoms up Pizza, Silverado, Luciano's, Chevy's,
> Famous Dave's, etc. etc.
>
> My recommendation is for a team to pull 2-3 years
> on every high school.
>
> I know the School Board and the Superintendents
> are aware of this.
>
> I want an explanation. I doubt I will ever get
> one.
Maybe the Post or one of the TV channels can
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
something missing
()
Date: November 22, 2013 12:20PM
If I recall correctly, these principals promised that the surveillance cameras would be paid for from these accounts.
Anyone see that?
These cameras cost like $80k. Huh.
$80k times 25 high schools and schools wonder why there is no money in the maintenance budget to pay for needed repairs.
I guess they lied. What a shocker.
Anyone see that?
These cameras cost like $80k. Huh.
$80k times 25 high schools and schools wonder why there is no money in the maintenance budget to pay for needed repairs.
I guess they lied. What a shocker.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
what is this?
()
Date: November 22, 2013 03:13PM
Doesn't sound like there is much left over for cameras or students. Guess they can do their own teacher appreciation luncheon this year. They don't need parents to help out with that, obviously.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
unfairfax
()
Date: November 22, 2013 04:03PM
Why so much for the cameras? Here they go! Throw a few of these $60 bad boys around and hook them up (they're wireless it will be easy) and they're covered!!! I use these in my home! They should be MORE THAN GOOD enough picture quality for school classes, hallways, etc!!!!
http://dx.com/p/standalone-ip-wireless-wifi-lan-camera-with-night-vision-and-pan-tilt-motors-26358
Methinks the Post, times, or patch should look into this- I understand coworkers deserve a pizza every now and then or even some popeyes is ok, but cheesecake factory???? On my and my kid's dime?????
http://dx.com/p/standalone-ip-wireless-wifi-lan-camera-with-night-vision-and-pan-tilt-motors-26358
Methinks the Post, times, or patch should look into this- I understand coworkers deserve a pizza every now and then or even some popeyes is ok, but cheesecake factory???? On my and my kid's dime?????
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
LOOK
()
Date: November 22, 2013 04:57PM
Cheesecake Factory is pretty small stuff, looking at this.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
NO PROBLEM12
()
Date: November 22, 2013 07:53PM
I don't think the cameras are the problem. It looks like the company credit
card is the problem.
card is the problem.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
suggestion?
()
Date: November 23, 2013 08:51AM
Maybe they need to install the cameras in the front office to figure out what is going on with the credit cards.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Sgt Rock.
()
Date: November 23, 2013 09:22AM
LOOK Wrote:
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> Cheesecake Factory is pretty small stuff, looking
> at this.
Isn't Tippys good enough for these overpaid baby sitters? News flash McDonalds has a dollar menu.
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> Cheesecake Factory is pretty small stuff, looking
> at this.
Isn't Tippys good enough for these overpaid baby sitters? News flash McDonalds has a dollar menu.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
dollar menu
()
Date: November 23, 2013 10:50AM
I have total respect for the teaching staff and how hard everybody works. I don't like them referred to as overpaid babysitters. They put in a huge amount of time in the evenings and on the weekends. They have done a wonderful job with my kids over the years.
However, I think Sgt Rock brings up a very good point. The dollar menu is a very viable option. So is packing lunch. Or keeping some granola bars in your office.
Has anybody identified who this school is? Looking at the restaurants, I have a pretty good idea. Amphora, Famous Dave's, Italian Gourmet, Luciano's, Santini's all look to be in the Vienna/Oakton area. Maybe the person who analyzed this doesn't want to identify the school. Some of these restaurants are in the Merrifield area close to HQ.
My guess is there are a lot of people who desperately need to also use the school gym equipment to work all this off. I know I would.
Somebody needs to pull some records and put it out there and demand some answers. Are you sure this person isn't making this up? This is nuts.
However, I think Sgt Rock brings up a very good point. The dollar menu is a very viable option. So is packing lunch. Or keeping some granola bars in your office.
Has anybody identified who this school is? Looking at the restaurants, I have a pretty good idea. Amphora, Famous Dave's, Italian Gourmet, Luciano's, Santini's all look to be in the Vienna/Oakton area. Maybe the person who analyzed this doesn't want to identify the school. Some of these restaurants are in the Merrifield area close to HQ.
My guess is there are a lot of people who desperately need to also use the school gym equipment to work all this off. I know I would.
Somebody needs to pull some records and put it out there and demand some answers. Are you sure this person isn't making this up? This is nuts.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
they ARE overpaid babysitters
()
Date: November 23, 2013 10:52AM
If Karen Garza can't clean this up, and fast, she should resign.
The same applies to Ed Long, who claims "no stone remained unturned" when it came to the recent budget.
This is corruption and incompetence, plain and simple. Fairfax residents won't stand for it.
The same applies to Ed Long, who claims "no stone remained unturned" when it came to the recent budget.
This is corruption and incompetence, plain and simple. Fairfax residents won't stand for it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
I am convinced
()
Date: November 23, 2013 11:50AM
OK this looks pretty convincing. I don't know how anybody can spend this kind of money. Particularly taxpayer dollars.
I thought there were rules about feeding and entertaining government workers using public dollars.
I thought there were rules about feeding and entertaining government workers using public dollars.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
wild ass guess
()
Date: November 23, 2013 12:50PM
Somebody who knows how to do this get some records on Madison. They are really close to some of these restaurants.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
newgatedenizen
()
Date: November 23, 2013 05:21PM
I don't understand this. I thought the big problem in FCPS was the corrupt band boosters that are being shut down by FCPS?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
what is this
()
Date: November 23, 2013 07:26PM
Maybe the vending machine profits will go down because they are taking all the good stuff out of the vending machines due to the food police.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
FYIFYIFYI
()
Date: November 24, 2013 08:41AM
newgatedenizen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't understand this. I thought the big
> problem in FCPS was the corrupt band boosters that
> are being shut down by FCPS?
You have a new thread on this! Speak your mind.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't understand this. I thought the big
> problem in FCPS was the corrupt band boosters that
> are being shut down by FCPS?
You have a new thread on this! Speak your mind.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
insider123
()
Date: November 24, 2013 08:39PM
If anybody pulls records, start with the wealthier schools.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Just Askin'
()
Date: November 25, 2013 10:55AM
Wow! Looking at the breakdown of restaurants I selected the following:
> Morton's of Reston-single purchase of $587
> George's in LaJolla $350 single purchase
> 27 Bistro in Richmond $111
> Honey Baked Ham $800 single purchase
> Capital Grill $750 single purchase
Clearly this wasn't spent on teachers' luncheons or teacher appreicateion. Looks like the admin staff had nice lunches or dinners. Well maybe the $800 Honey Baked Ham purchase was for a staff luncheon but you have to wonder.
But, the Single purchase at Mortons' and Capital Grill, I'd want to see who benefited from that. When I expense a meal like that I have to include who it was for, when and what the purpose was. And...the charge at George's In LaJolla is in San Diego as far as I can tell from Google. Sounds to me like the principal and other staff were treating themselves to some lavish meals.
> Morton's of Reston-single purchase of $587
> George's in LaJolla $350 single purchase
> 27 Bistro in Richmond $111
> Honey Baked Ham $800 single purchase
> Capital Grill $750 single purchase
Clearly this wasn't spent on teachers' luncheons or teacher appreicateion. Looks like the admin staff had nice lunches or dinners. Well maybe the $800 Honey Baked Ham purchase was for a staff luncheon but you have to wonder.
But, the Single purchase at Mortons' and Capital Grill, I'd want to see who benefited from that. When I expense a meal like that I have to include who it was for, when and what the purpose was. And...the charge at George's In LaJolla is in San Diego as far as I can tell from Google. Sounds to me like the principal and other staff were treating themselves to some lavish meals.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
camera answers
()
Date: November 25, 2013 01:39PM
Are there future costs? The surveillance systems come with a 3-year parts and labor warranty and thereafter are covered under a preventive maintenance and repair contract currently funded centrally. As the number of cameras increase in FCPS, these contract costs are expected to rise. Additionally, once a school receives their initial permission to implement interior video cameras, the principal may consider adding additional ones in the future, if circumstances warrant an expansion.
What is the funding source? Principals should provide information on the identified funding that may include non-instructional school based funds, any available proffer funds and, if applicable, any intention to seek bond funding for infrastructure components that have an appropriate life expectancy. Once permission is granted to proceed, bond funding requests may be made to the office of safety and security.
What is the funding source? Principals should provide information on the identified funding that may include non-instructional school based funds, any available proffer funds and, if applicable, any intention to seek bond funding for infrastructure components that have an appropriate life expectancy. Once permission is granted to proceed, bond funding requests may be made to the office of safety and security.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
monopole funds
()
Date: November 25, 2013 01:43PM
The Fairfax Times says cafeteria cameras alone would cost about $8,000 and an estimated $885,000 to install in every school. Butler says South Lakes would pay for the cameras using rent money generated from the mono poles, also known as cell phone towers, near the football field.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
No more turf fields!
()
Date: November 25, 2013 02:04PM
I want cameras in all the schools first. Turf can wait.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
keep digging Just Askin'
()
Date: November 25, 2013 02:44PM
Somebody needs to pull records on this account from all the high schools and look at this. You sound like a good candidate. Do you know how to FOIA?
It was George's at the Cove in La Jolla, which is indeed north of San Diego. And yes, somebody should be demanding some answers. I know some travel expenses are paid out of this account.
This account information was shared with at least a dozen people. Without exception, there were a lot of eyebrows raised and some heated remarks. These are not fabricated numbers.
Refining the process is in order. How long has this been going on? There should be five years of records available. They have to be held for five years following the summer audit, so really there should be six.
It was George's at the Cove in La Jolla, which is indeed north of San Diego. And yes, somebody should be demanding some answers. I know some travel expenses are paid out of this account.
This account information was shared with at least a dozen people. Without exception, there were a lot of eyebrows raised and some heated remarks. These are not fabricated numbers.
Refining the process is in order. How long has this been going on? There should be five years of records available. They have to be held for five years following the summer audit, so really there should be six.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Not quite
()
Date: November 25, 2013 03:38PM
insider123 Wrote:
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> If anybody pulls records, start with the wealthier
> schools.
We don't have wealthier schools, just schools that serve wealthier areas. The 'wealthier' schools get shit from FCPS - take a walk through the Langley pyramid schools one day. FCPS depends upon the parents to complete the funding of school through PTA and boosters while paying 100% of the tab in the poor areas.
-------------------------------------------------------
> If anybody pulls records, start with the wealthier
> schools.
We don't have wealthier schools, just schools that serve wealthier areas. The 'wealthier' schools get shit from FCPS - take a walk through the Langley pyramid schools one day. FCPS depends upon the parents to complete the funding of school through PTA and boosters while paying 100% of the tab in the poor areas.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
A farewell to turf
()
Date: November 25, 2013 05:12PM
Until the schools explain these abuses, there should be no money for turf, any "turf money" should be used for educational purposes in the meantime. If turf is so important, let them raise more money for it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
2 1/2 years supplement
()
Date: December 06, 2013 07:47AM
Famous Dave's 136-43, amphora 50-115-81-104-33-31-33-51, lucianos' 82-55-215, Lakeside Inn 139, Sweetwater 73-91, Anita's 357-195-382, Starbuck's 41, Jackson's 125, Silverado 120, Tequila Grande 75, Rio Grande 126, Ozzies Corner Italian 313, Dogfish 137-46, Uncle julios 78, faculty/staff breakfast and function 324-175-197-236...........................................!?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
confused
()
Date: December 07, 2013 06:36PM
What do these numbers mean?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
2 1/2 years
()
Date: December 07, 2013 07:33PM
It is called partying on the taxpayer dollar.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
just tip of iceberg
()
Date: December 08, 2013 01:42PM
2 1/2 years Wrote:
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> It is called partying on the taxpayer dollar.
Its really called theft
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is called partying on the taxpayer dollar.
Its really called theft
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
confused
()
Date: December 08, 2013 02:28PM
Are those amount spent, or some code for accounts?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
2 1/2 years
()
Date: December 08, 2013 02:52PM
To confused-this is more information on the account mentioned earlier. It is amounts.
To iceberg-
I do agree this looks pretty shaky. Anybody care to pry an explanation out of the school system?
To iceberg-
I do agree this looks pretty shaky. Anybody care to pry an explanation out of the school system?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
MV Observer
()
Date: December 09, 2013 08:04AM
2 1/2 years supplement Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Famous Dave's 136-43, amphora
> 50-115-81-104-33-31-33-51, lucianos' 82-55-215,
> Lakeside Inn 139, Sweetwater 73-91, Anita's
> 357-195-382, Starbuck's 41, Jackson's 125,
> Silverado 120, Tequila Grande 75, Rio Grande 126,
> Ozzies Corner Italian 313, Dogfish 137-46, Uncle
> julios 78, faculty/staff breakfast and function
> 324-175-197-236...................................
> ........!?
Appears that the figures included here are dollar amounts. If that's the case, you'd have to wonder about them. No school luncheon could be purchased for let's say, $43 from Famous Daves; Tequila Grande for $175; etc.
It's pretty evident that much of this money was spent on a meal for a few people, maybe 1 or 2 in some cases.
In addition it would be interesting if any of the money included purchasing alcohol, I'd think that would strictly prohibited.
Does anyone actually review the receipts to make certain the money is being spent appropriately?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Famous Dave's 136-43, amphora
> 50-115-81-104-33-31-33-51, lucianos' 82-55-215,
> Lakeside Inn 139, Sweetwater 73-91, Anita's
> 357-195-382, Starbuck's 41, Jackson's 125,
> Silverado 120, Tequila Grande 75, Rio Grande 126,
> Ozzies Corner Italian 313, Dogfish 137-46, Uncle
> julios 78, faculty/staff breakfast and function
> 324-175-197-236...................................
> ........!?
Appears that the figures included here are dollar amounts. If that's the case, you'd have to wonder about them. No school luncheon could be purchased for let's say, $43 from Famous Daves; Tequila Grande for $175; etc.
It's pretty evident that much of this money was spent on a meal for a few people, maybe 1 or 2 in some cases.
In addition it would be interesting if any of the money included purchasing alcohol, I'd think that would strictly prohibited.
Does anyone actually review the receipts to make certain the money is being spent appropriately?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
unfairfax
()
Date: December 09, 2013 08:20AM
If the administration wants to use money on food, why not buy every student a mighty kids meal from mcd's or a pizza party every quarter or something so EVERYONE benefits- not just the staff- it was the STUDENTS and their PARENTS that gave the money...hello????
Or how about using the funds to pay for minor renovations at the school (a fresh paint job in needed classrooms, upgrade the lightbulbs to all-CFL or something like that)
Or how about a REFUND? I'll take that $20 check at the end of the year, thanks!
Or how about using the funds to pay for minor renovations at the school (a fresh paint job in needed classrooms, upgrade the lightbulbs to all-CFL or something like that)
Or how about a REFUND? I'll take that $20 check at the end of the year, thanks!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
got more!
()
Date: June 19, 2014 10:18PM
More fun with Educational Contingency Accounts.
Bazin's $224
Coasters from Creative Designs $996 (maybe they are selling these)
Baby bibs $300 cute (""""")
t shirts for faculty $1016
Boston Market $1840
Coastal Flats $162
Cinnabon $370
Baja Fresh $1838
Popeye's $161
Staff clothing $4602 (I am not making this up-that is $4602)
Staff jackets It is either $613 or $813
Italian Gourmet $443
overnight Principal retreat $253 (lots of these)
200 smoothies for teachers $358 (lots of these)
El Fresco Mexican Grill $546
Maggiano's $2300
BBQ supplies $393 (maybe for the snack bar?)
Umbrellas from 4imprint $1820 ( I am not making this up)
Café Rio $1558
Pane E Vino $858
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
No wonder there is a budget crisis.
Bazin's $224
Coasters from Creative Designs $996 (maybe they are selling these)
Baby bibs $300 cute (""""")
t shirts for faculty $1016
Boston Market $1840
Coastal Flats $162
Cinnabon $370
Baja Fresh $1838
Popeye's $161
Staff clothing $4602 (I am not making this up-that is $4602)
Staff jackets It is either $613 or $813
Italian Gourmet $443
overnight Principal retreat $253 (lots of these)
200 smoothies for teachers $358 (lots of these)
El Fresco Mexican Grill $546
Maggiano's $2300
BBQ supplies $393 (maybe for the snack bar?)
Umbrellas from 4imprint $1820 ( I am not making this up)
Café Rio $1558
Pane E Vino $858
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
No wonder there is a budget crisis.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
what?
()
Date: June 20, 2014 06:43AM
How many staff members does it take to go over to Cinnabon, buy $370 worth of goodies, take them back to the school, and unload them out of the car(s)?
The idea of spending $370 at Cinnabon is hard to fathom. This would make a good math problem. Volume, size of boxes, size of car...
The idea of spending $370 at Cinnabon is hard to fathom. This would make a good math problem. Volume, size of boxes, size of car...
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
please explain
()
Date: June 20, 2014 09:34AM
I don't understand what is going on with this.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
hummer
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Date: June 20, 2014 10:49AM
It is called stealing from children.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
dmps
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Date: June 20, 2014 08:36PM
unfairfax Wrote:
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> If the administration wants to use money on food,
> why not buy every student a mighty kids meal from
> mcd's or a pizza party every quarter or something
> so EVERYONE benefits- not just the staff- it was
> the STUDENTS and their PARENTS that gave the
> money...hello????
>
> Or how about using the funds to pay for minor
> renovations at the school (a fresh paint job in
> needed classrooms, upgrade the lightbulbs to
> all-CFL or something like that)
There is a LOT that could be done with this money. This sounds like a good Washington Post investigation.
>
> Or how about a REFUND? I'll take that $20 check at
> the end of the year, thanks!
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> If the administration wants to use money on food,
> why not buy every student a mighty kids meal from
> mcd's or a pizza party every quarter or something
> so EVERYONE benefits- not just the staff- it was
> the STUDENTS and their PARENTS that gave the
> money...hello????
>
> Or how about using the funds to pay for minor
> renovations at the school (a fresh paint job in
> needed classrooms, upgrade the lightbulbs to
> all-CFL or something like that)
There is a LOT that could be done with this money. This sounds like a good Washington Post investigation.
>
> Or how about a REFUND? I'll take that $20 check at
> the end of the year, thanks!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Wash Post
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Date: June 21, 2014 05:14PM
Has this made it to the newspaper yet?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the insanity continues
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Date: June 21, 2014 05:25PM
hummer Wrote:
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> It is called stealing from children.
No ,its stealing from the taxpayers , there is just a different leader of the school cartel allowing it to happen despite the cries of insufficient funding for schools.
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> It is called stealing from children.
No ,its stealing from the taxpayers , there is just a different leader of the school cartel allowing it to happen despite the cries of insufficient funding for schools.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
possible ID
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Date: June 21, 2014 08:32PM
McLean HS-------- Maggiano's and umbrellas
Madison HS---------- Coasters
Oakton HS------- $4600 of staff clothing
Woodson HS-------- Pane E Vino
Madison HS---------- Coasters
Oakton HS------- $4600 of staff clothing
Woodson HS-------- Pane E Vino
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
78654
()
Date: June 22, 2014 11:18AM
possible ID Wrote:
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> McLean HS-------- Maggiano's and umbrellas 3/20/2013 and 5/25/2013>
> Madison HS---------- Coasters 5/30/2013
>
> Oakton HS------- $4600 of staff clothing 11/27/2013
>
>
/> Woodson HS-------- Pane E Vino 6/17/2013
Confirmed.
How do you spend $1500 on COASTERS?
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> McLean HS-------- Maggiano's and umbrellas 3/20/2013 and 5/25/2013>
> Madison HS---------- Coasters 5/30/2013
>
> Oakton HS------- $4600 of staff clothing 11/27/2013
>
>
/> Woodson HS-------- Pane E Vino 6/17/2013
Confirmed.
How do you spend $1500 on COASTERS?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
more stuff to discuss
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Date: June 22, 2014 12:43PM
Madison High- Bazin's 4/5/2013 $224.46, Carrabba's 6/7/2013 $2258.25, Panera CATERING 8/26/2013 $1384.56
Oakton High- 9/12/2013 staff shirts $1971.47, 11/7/2013 polos tshirts and sweats (doesn't say who this are for) $2224.70
McLean High- 6/11/2013 Café Rio $1558.17 6/27/2013 Jackets (doesn't say who these are for) $1179.50
Woodson High-4/2/2013 Retreat/offsite HSPA Arundel Preserve $249.56
Oakton High- 9/12/2013 staff shirts $1971.47, 11/7/2013 polos tshirts and sweats (doesn't say who this are for) $2224.70
McLean High- 6/11/2013 Café Rio $1558.17 6/27/2013 Jackets (doesn't say who these are for) $1179.50
Woodson High-4/2/2013 Retreat/offsite HSPA Arundel Preserve $249.56
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Hey assholes
()
Date: June 22, 2014 02:03PM
There is nothing here for anyone but ignorant goober assholes to discuss. What a bunch of henny-penny fucktards.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
VTuDY
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Date: June 22, 2014 03:59PM
in the (mid) 90's ? (possibly late 80's) there was a big debate about slush funds being illegal and Congress erecting one and writing new laws to unmake it illegal
gov slush funds had been illegal
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$1800 could be ordered pizza for staff meeting.
HOWEVER
ea of them makes enough to pay all that and still make 3x as much as a privately employed hard worker makes (one without connections)
they never loose idiot. and they want you to beleive it.
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let me guess someone knows the t-shirt shop owner. that's called corruption if it's true
hey i got gov workers around me who order a street plowed on gov money so they get their driveway done free (for the gratis of having ordered the work)
i got gov workers around me who have their siding replaced when it's perfectly new straight and clean, false insurance claims, likely because they are friends with the insurer or company replacing
these sacks of shit won't come to court and want you to fear them
gov slush funds had been illegal
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$1800 could be ordered pizza for staff meeting.
HOWEVER
ea of them makes enough to pay all that and still make 3x as much as a privately employed hard worker makes (one without connections)
they never loose idiot. and they want you to beleive it.
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let me guess someone knows the t-shirt shop owner. that's called corruption if it's true
hey i got gov workers around me who order a street plowed on gov money so they get their driveway done free (for the gratis of having ordered the work)
i got gov workers around me who have their siding replaced when it's perfectly new straight and clean, false insurance claims, likely because they are friends with the insurer or company replacing
these sacks of shit won't come to court and want you to fear them
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
kl;lg
()
Date: June 22, 2014 04:07PM
Since when do staff meetings get $1800 of pizza paid for by the taxpayer?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
ooh lah lah
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Date: June 22, 2014 09:04PM
Wonder if the HSPA Principal retreat was overnight. The hotel at Arundel Preserve is a luxury hotel with chilled sparkling wine and chocolates waiting for you in your room when you check in.
I am sure this was very educational and the children got a lot out of it.
I am sure this was very educational and the children got a lot out of it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
good morning
()
Date: June 26, 2014 08:23AM
More ECA information. Had to pull credit card statements as the schools were just putting "charge card" payments on the accounting data.
Langley HS- SA2 JP Morgan Chase card. A few-
1/15/2013 Honeybaked Ham $1280
1/30/2013 Pulcinella $486.86
Multiple trips to Listriani's Hundreds of dollars.
5/8/2013 Hilton Alexandria $300
7/18/2013 Hilton Alexandria $361.54
6/14/2013 Hilton Alexandria $482
7/2/2013 Hilton Alexandria $1400 (yes, $1400)
7/5/2013 Lansdowne Resort $1500
7/10/2013 Joe Theismann's $410.87
6/23/2013 Pulcinella $582.75
6/27/2013 Lansdowne Resort $2014.17
9/6/2013 Famous Dave's $847.25
Somebody was in Florida with receipts from 1/2014 2/2014 and 3/2014. Orlando and Lake Buena Vista.
Madison HS JP Morgan Chase
Lots and lots of Amazon purchases. No details.
Somebody was in Myrtle Beach in March, 2013
Somebody went to Las Vegas in 4/2013.
Somebody rented a car in Orlando 4/20/2013.
6/9/2013 Vienna Inn $1080.
Westfield HS
Jersey Mike's Subs 2/20/? $2772.00 FCPSSA
3/20/2013 Grillfire Hanover MD $483.43 SA2 JP Morgan Chase
5/23/2013 Milwaukee Frozen custard $600 SA2
6/18/2013 St. Germain Catering $3266.22 SA 4 JP Morgan Chase
8/20/2013 St. Germain Catering $330.36 SA4
8/26/2013 St. Germain Catering $3138.27 SA4
8/26/2013 St. Germain Catering $50 SA4
12/12/2013 Morton's of Arlington $156
Somebody was in Virginia Beach 11/2013 enjoying Buffalo Wild Wings and Captain George's, home of the endless seafood buffet.
12/2014 Papa John's about $600
Somebody left for California 12/27/2013. Might be with the Rose Bowl trip.
Forgive any typos. You get the idea. I don't have any more details. You all are more than welcome to help deal with this.
Receipts are being pulled on Hilton, Lansdowne, and St. Germain. I am sure there is an explanation.
So when you pay your child's parking pass fee, your kids lose their books, you rent a room at the school, or you buy something out of the vending machine, this is where it goes.
Langley HS- SA2 JP Morgan Chase card. A few-
1/15/2013 Honeybaked Ham $1280
1/30/2013 Pulcinella $486.86
Multiple trips to Listriani's Hundreds of dollars.
5/8/2013 Hilton Alexandria $300
7/18/2013 Hilton Alexandria $361.54
6/14/2013 Hilton Alexandria $482
7/2/2013 Hilton Alexandria $1400 (yes, $1400)
7/5/2013 Lansdowne Resort $1500
7/10/2013 Joe Theismann's $410.87
6/23/2013 Pulcinella $582.75
6/27/2013 Lansdowne Resort $2014.17
9/6/2013 Famous Dave's $847.25
Somebody was in Florida with receipts from 1/2014 2/2014 and 3/2014. Orlando and Lake Buena Vista.
Madison HS JP Morgan Chase
Lots and lots of Amazon purchases. No details.
Somebody was in Myrtle Beach in March, 2013
Somebody went to Las Vegas in 4/2013.
Somebody rented a car in Orlando 4/20/2013.
6/9/2013 Vienna Inn $1080.
Westfield HS
Jersey Mike's Subs 2/20/? $2772.00 FCPSSA
3/20/2013 Grillfire Hanover MD $483.43 SA2 JP Morgan Chase
5/23/2013 Milwaukee Frozen custard $600 SA2
6/18/2013 St. Germain Catering $3266.22 SA 4 JP Morgan Chase
8/20/2013 St. Germain Catering $330.36 SA4
8/26/2013 St. Germain Catering $3138.27 SA4
8/26/2013 St. Germain Catering $50 SA4
12/12/2013 Morton's of Arlington $156
Somebody was in Virginia Beach 11/2013 enjoying Buffalo Wild Wings and Captain George's, home of the endless seafood buffet.
12/2014 Papa John's about $600
Somebody left for California 12/27/2013. Might be with the Rose Bowl trip.
Forgive any typos. You get the idea. I don't have any more details. You all are more than welcome to help deal with this.
Receipts are being pulled on Hilton, Lansdowne, and St. Germain. I am sure there is an explanation.
So when you pay your child's parking pass fee, your kids lose their books, you rent a room at the school, or you buy something out of the vending machine, this is where it goes.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
yNxh7
()
Date: June 26, 2014 08:56AM
Wasn't the Orlando visit related to the band performing there?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
babs?
()
Date: June 26, 2014 09:00AM
Is this the band booster hater on the rampage now?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
yNxh7
()
Date: June 26, 2014 09:00AM
babs? Wrote:
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> Is this the band booster hater on the rampage now?
No, I remember reading an article here on FFU about the band going down to perform at Disney earlier this year. I can't remember the date.
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> Is this the band booster hater on the rampage now?
No, I remember reading an article here on FFU about the band going down to perform at Disney earlier this year. I can't remember the date.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
good morning
()
Date: June 26, 2014 09:16AM
I don't know any details. You all can take this up with your school staff and your school board person. I just pulled some records. I read the article about "where does your parking pass money go" and I knew where it went and I couldn't stand to sit on the sidelines and keep my mouth shut. If this was something with a band trip that should probably have been applied to the band trip account and the cost absorbed by the travelers. The deposits into the accounts are not clearly marked as to their source, so I would have to pull more details to follow the money.
Westfield Papa John's was 12/2013, not 2014. The statement was from 1/2014. Sorry.
I know there is a lot involved in running busy schools. I just don't see where some of this is necessary and appropriate use of public funds, when all we hear about is that they don't have enough money.
Parents, pull the ECA accounting information (or anything else) on your schools, ask to see credit card statements and receipts. All you have to do is send an email to Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu and you will get some records. I paid about $90 for the credit card statements on these three schools. About 80 pages. The accounting data printouts were free. I have pulled 7 schools and they are working on another batch. You don't have to say why you want it. Just put your name and address on there and do it.
It's your money and you have a right to know. This isn't meant to be threatening or ridicule people. These people need to be held accountable for what they do with your money. It takes a village. Funds are tight and everything is on the table, including whatever went on out at Lansdowne and with St. Germain catering and at the Alexandria Hilton. So, let's all talk about it. We need to look at things differently.
Westfield Papa John's was 12/2013, not 2014. The statement was from 1/2014. Sorry.
I know there is a lot involved in running busy schools. I just don't see where some of this is necessary and appropriate use of public funds, when all we hear about is that they don't have enough money.
Parents, pull the ECA accounting information (or anything else) on your schools, ask to see credit card statements and receipts. All you have to do is send an email to Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu and you will get some records. I paid about $90 for the credit card statements on these three schools. About 80 pages. The accounting data printouts were free. I have pulled 7 schools and they are working on another batch. You don't have to say why you want it. Just put your name and address on there and do it.
It's your money and you have a right to know. This isn't meant to be threatening or ridicule people. These people need to be held accountable for what they do with your money. It takes a village. Funds are tight and everything is on the table, including whatever went on out at Lansdowne and with St. Germain catering and at the Alexandria Hilton. So, let's all talk about it. We need to look at things differently.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
good morning
()
Date: June 26, 2014 11:29AM
Oh missed Wildfire up at Tyson's Galleria. 7/17/2013 $304.77. Great chopped salad. Langley SA2 JP Morgan Chase.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
here comes the bride?
()
Date: June 26, 2014 04:03PM
St. Germain Catering?
Sounds like a wedding reception.
Sounds like a wedding reception.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
^^^^^^^
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Date: June 27, 2014 09:28PM
Why would a local administrator need a local hotel room?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Dramatoomuch
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Date: June 28, 2014 08:45AM
morons, you willing gave up extra money to the schools? What did you think was going to happen?
once you CHOOSE to give someone money (vending machine, parking pass, missing books) IT ISN'T YOURS TO CONTROL ANYMORE.
it makes for seemingly good drama by a lonely new Internet vigilante but it's a non story. It really is.
once you CHOOSE to give someone money (vending machine, parking pass, missing books) IT ISN'T YOURS TO CONTROL ANYMORE.
it makes for seemingly good drama by a lonely new Internet vigilante but it's a non story. It really is.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
let's take a vote
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Date: June 28, 2014 10:09AM
When you pay your property tax bill, which do you prefer it to go for-
A. soires and trinkets for staff
B. educational materials for students
There are supposed to be controls over what is done with public money, contrary to what toomuchdrama is saying. And there are. And there are things called audits, which are supposed to monitor for fraud, waste, and abuse, which appears to be rampant. And the records are open and public in order for the citizens to see what is being done with their money, and they have the right to speak up and say what their opinion is.
Everything is on the table!
A. soires and trinkets for staff
B. educational materials for students
There are supposed to be controls over what is done with public money, contrary to what toomuchdrama is saying. And there are. And there are things called audits, which are supposed to monitor for fraud, waste, and abuse, which appears to be rampant. And the records are open and public in order for the citizens to see what is being done with their money, and they have the right to speak up and say what their opinion is.
Everything is on the table!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
opinion
()
Date: June 28, 2014 10:32AM
I think most people would like to think that their parking pass money is going to maintain the parking lots. Lots of people would like to think that the missing book money is going to pay for new books. Maybe they can keep the vending machine money for the slush fund, but I think the parking fee and the missing book fee should not be up for grabs. It seems pretty unethical to charge for things and then use the money for "fun".
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
let's take a vote
()
Date: June 28, 2014 11:20AM
Only a portion of the parking pass money is retained by the school. That is an interesting point-where does the rest of it go? Does it go into a Reserve account to take care of the lots?
Speak up, folks. Ask to see some records.
Why are they trimming things for the students left and right while the staff are dining at Capital Grille, getting presents, etc. on our dime? I didn't see too many "computers, copy machines, and extra staff" being paid for out of the slush funds. I know they work hard but this is a government job. Oh well.
"Everything is on the table."
Speak up, folks. Ask to see some records.
Why are they trimming things for the students left and right while the staff are dining at Capital Grille, getting presents, etc. on our dime? I didn't see too many "computers, copy machines, and extra staff" being paid for out of the slush funds. I know they work hard but this is a government job. Oh well.
"Everything is on the table."
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
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Date: June 28, 2014 12:04PM
Oakton High School 9/10/2012 Capital Grille $744.81.
And it isn't just Oakton. I am pulling records on over half the high schools.
What could have been bought for the students for $744.81?
Speak up!
And it isn't just Oakton. I am pulling records on over half the high schools.
What could have been bought for the students for $744.81?
Speak up!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Dramatoomuch
()
Date: June 28, 2014 01:00PM
Stop paying for kids to drive to school.
Stop losing books.
Leave the Payday in the vending machine.
or Stop complaining.
Stop losing books.
Leave the Payday in the vending machine.
or Stop complaining.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
more #'s
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Date: June 29, 2014 03:11PM
Madison High School-2/10/2014 Baby Warhawk bibs $300. I am not making this up.
Chantilly HS- 4/9/2013 Subway $1470
Westfield HS- 3/28/2013 Virginia Association of Secondary School Principals
(probably annual dues) $536. An institutional membership only offers privileges to one person. Remember, this is government, NOT private industry.
Woodson High School 8/27/2013 visitor parking fines paid to Fairfax County Department of Tax Administration $150. There must be an interesting story behind this.
Several thousand dollars for staff flowers between the 7 schools looked at. Flowers are supposed to be paid for out of a staff Sunshine Fund. It is very clearly stated in a school regulation.
"Everything is on the table!"
Chantilly HS- 4/9/2013 Subway $1470
Westfield HS- 3/28/2013 Virginia Association of Secondary School Principals
(probably annual dues) $536. An institutional membership only offers privileges to one person. Remember, this is government, NOT private industry.
Woodson High School 8/27/2013 visitor parking fines paid to Fairfax County Department of Tax Administration $150. There must be an interesting story behind this.
Several thousand dollars for staff flowers between the 7 schools looked at. Flowers are supposed to be paid for out of a staff Sunshine Fund. It is very clearly stated in a school regulation.
"Everything is on the table!"
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
parking tickets?
()
Date: June 30, 2014 08:48AM
Parking fines? Wait a minute. if you receive a parking tickets, you have violated a parking law of some type. So Woodson is bailing out people who violate local laws using public dollars?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
vyxGM
()
Date: June 30, 2014 08:57AM
Seems like there should be some more detailed explanations coming.
But I would not assume all the items listed are necessarily just for "fun" for admin/staff. Some of the expenses may have been to purchase incentive awards for students (e.g. Milwaukee Custard) and can not help but notice the big catering bill coincides with the date of the school wide barbeque event.
But I would not assume all the items listed are necessarily just for "fun" for admin/staff. Some of the expenses may have been to purchase incentive awards for students (e.g. Milwaukee Custard) and can not help but notice the big catering bill coincides with the date of the school wide barbeque event.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: June 30, 2014 09:24AM
I certainly agree to not jump to any conclusions until all the information has been gathered. There is more coming on a few of these. The accounting data is not clear as to purpose of expenditures, source of funds for deposits, etc. I am not going to be able to research everything. I don't have time for that. People need to start looking at these accounts and asking some questions.
The question here is, is this the most effective use of public dollars or not?
I think there needs to be some clarification of policies and probably some limits set. Throwing a $7000 bbg for 1700 students is a bit over the top for a public school, if that is what went on. Do you really want public dollars used for something like that? I didn't see any corresponding deposits near that date. Do you really want to get into providing thousands of dollars of incentives for students using public funds? Their incentive is their GPA. It is really up to the parents to reward for grades if they choose to do so.
The question here is, is this the most effective use of public dollars or not?
I think there needs to be some clarification of policies and probably some limits set. Throwing a $7000 bbg for 1700 students is a bit over the top for a public school, if that is what went on. Do you really want public dollars used for something like that? I didn't see any corresponding deposits near that date. Do you really want to get into providing thousands of dollars of incentives for students using public funds? Their incentive is their GPA. It is really up to the parents to reward for grades if they choose to do so.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: June 30, 2014 09:38AM
parking tickets? Wrote:
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> Parking fines? Wait a minute. if you receive a
> parking tickets, you have violated a parking law
> of some type. So Woodson is bailing out people who
> violate local laws using public dollars?
Good points. I ordered up some records on this.
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> Parking fines? Wait a minute. if you receive a
> parking tickets, you have violated a parking law
> of some type. So Woodson is bailing out people who
> violate local laws using public dollars?
Good points. I ordered up some records on this.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
what gives on this?
()
Date: June 30, 2014 09:46AM
When I was in high school, there were no parking fees. I understand that parking fees may be a good idea because we also have buses, but only if the funds are used to maintain those lots. I thought that the idea was that the parking lots cost money and that driving to school is a luxury (even though some students have after school activities or jobs they need to go to). What money is used to maintain the lots if the parking fees go to a slush fund? Or are they overcharging for those parking fees and only some students who pay those parking fees are subsidizing the food for the staff?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: June 30, 2014 11:33AM
what gives on this? Wrote:
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> When I was in high school, there were no parking
> fees. I understand that parking fees may be a
> good idea because we also have buses, but only if
> the funds are used to maintain those lots. I
> thought that the idea was that the parking lots
> cost money and that driving to school is a luxury
> (even though some students have after school
> activities or jobs they need to go to). What
> money is used to maintain the lots if the parking
> fees go to a slush fund? Or are they overcharging
> for those parking fees and only some students who
> pay those parking fees are subsidizing the food
> for the staff?
15% of the parking fees are retained by each school for whatever the principal thinks is appropriate. The money goes into the Educational Contingency Account (ECA). The Slush Fund. The rest goes into a central fund. You can request records on that from the foia office. I can't do everything.
The ECA also consists of vending machine profits, monopole rental, a percentage of lost textbook fees, interest on non-student accounts, and building rental fees. Maybe a couple of other things. All this is still public money.
The issue here seems to be what the principals consider appropriate to spend this on and what the general public seems to think is appropriate. Gifts and flowers for the staff are supposed to be paid for from a staff sunshine fund, which is supposed to be a privately run account, with a separate EIN, with the money not in a school account. That is written in the regulations. The other issues are not quite so clear. That is the problem.
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> When I was in high school, there were no parking
> fees. I understand that parking fees may be a
> good idea because we also have buses, but only if
> the funds are used to maintain those lots. I
> thought that the idea was that the parking lots
> cost money and that driving to school is a luxury
> (even though some students have after school
> activities or jobs they need to go to). What
> money is used to maintain the lots if the parking
> fees go to a slush fund? Or are they overcharging
> for those parking fees and only some students who
> pay those parking fees are subsidizing the food
> for the staff?
15% of the parking fees are retained by each school for whatever the principal thinks is appropriate. The money goes into the Educational Contingency Account (ECA). The Slush Fund. The rest goes into a central fund. You can request records on that from the foia office. I can't do everything.
The ECA also consists of vending machine profits, monopole rental, a percentage of lost textbook fees, interest on non-student accounts, and building rental fees. Maybe a couple of other things. All this is still public money.
The issue here seems to be what the principals consider appropriate to spend this on and what the general public seems to think is appropriate. Gifts and flowers for the staff are supposed to be paid for from a staff sunshine fund, which is supposed to be a privately run account, with a separate EIN, with the money not in a school account. That is written in the regulations. The other issues are not quite so clear. That is the problem.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Lamelame
()
Date: June 30, 2014 01:42PM
The only recourse you have is move to a county who uses funds to your liking.
Blabbing on an anonymous website which is 80% lies and heresy is sad. Just is.
Blabbing on an anonymous website which is 80% lies and heresy is sad. Just is.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
just the facts
()
Date: June 30, 2014 03:01PM
Lamelame Wrote:
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> The only recourse you have is move to a county who
> uses funds to your liking.
> Blabbing on an anonymous website which is 80% lies
> and heresy is sad. Just is.
I think it works really well! It reaches a lot of people, people can make a comment about whatever, and you just ignore the trash-like you.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The only recourse you have is move to a county who
> uses funds to your liking.
> Blabbing on an anonymous website which is 80% lies
> and heresy is sad. Just is.
I think it works really well! It reaches a lot of people, people can make a comment about whatever, and you just ignore the trash-like you.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: June 30, 2014 03:09PM
Oakton HS 12/4/2012 Artie's $495.89
What could have been bought for the school or students for $495.89????? I can think of a few things.
What could have been bought for the school or students for $495.89????? I can think of a few things.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
rules, we dont need no stinkin r
()
Date: June 30, 2014 03:11PM
the facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> what gives on this? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When I was in high school, there were no
> parking
> > fees. I understand that parking fees may be a
> > good idea because we also have buses, but only
> if
> > the funds are used to maintain those lots. I
> > thought that the idea was that the parking lots
> > cost money and that driving to school is a
> luxury
> > (even though some students have after school
> > activities or jobs they need to go to). What
> > money is used to maintain the lots if the
> parking
> > fees go to a slush fund? Or are they
> overcharging
> > for those parking fees and only some students
> who
> > pay those parking fees are subsidizing the food
> > for the staff?
>
> 15% of the parking fees are retained by each
> school for whatever the principal thinks is
> appropriate. The money goes into the Educational
> Contingency Account (ECA). The Slush Fund. The
> rest goes into a central fund. You can request
> records on that from the foia office. I can't do
> everything.
>
> The ECA also consists of vending machine profits,
> monopole rental, a percentage of lost textbook
> fees, interest on non-student accounts, and
> building rental fees. Maybe a couple of other
> things. All this is still public money.
>
> The issue here seems to be what the principals
> consider appropriate to spend this on and what the
> general public seems to think is appropriate.
> Gifts and flowers for the staff are supposed to be
> paid for from a staff sunshine fund, which is
> supposed to be a privately run account, with a
> separate EIN, with the money not in a school
> account. That is written in the regulations. The
> other issues are not quite so clear. That is the
> problem.
If you think that rules are followed in FCPS by the written regulations, try working there awhile, anything but...
-------------------------------------------------------
> what gives on this? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When I was in high school, there were no
> parking
> > fees. I understand that parking fees may be a
> > good idea because we also have buses, but only
> if
> > the funds are used to maintain those lots. I
> > thought that the idea was that the parking lots
> > cost money and that driving to school is a
> luxury
> > (even though some students have after school
> > activities or jobs they need to go to). What
> > money is used to maintain the lots if the
> parking
> > fees go to a slush fund? Or are they
> overcharging
> > for those parking fees and only some students
> who
> > pay those parking fees are subsidizing the food
> > for the staff?
>
> 15% of the parking fees are retained by each
> school for whatever the principal thinks is
> appropriate. The money goes into the Educational
> Contingency Account (ECA). The Slush Fund. The
> rest goes into a central fund. You can request
> records on that from the foia office. I can't do
> everything.
>
> The ECA also consists of vending machine profits,
> monopole rental, a percentage of lost textbook
> fees, interest on non-student accounts, and
> building rental fees. Maybe a couple of other
> things. All this is still public money.
>
> The issue here seems to be what the principals
> consider appropriate to spend this on and what the
> general public seems to think is appropriate.
> Gifts and flowers for the staff are supposed to be
> paid for from a staff sunshine fund, which is
> supposed to be a privately run account, with a
> separate EIN, with the money not in a school
> account. That is written in the regulations. The
> other issues are not quite so clear. That is the
> problem.
If you think that rules are followed in FCPS by the written regulations, try working there awhile, anything but...
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
okokok
()
Date: June 30, 2014 03:56PM
Well, I guess they are going to see some of their antics described here!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 01, 2014 07:02PM
Two admins at Langley HS, as I thought.
#1 Lansdowne Resort 8/20/2013
Instructional Council retreat- 19 people. The principal, 3 Assistant principals, two directors, an Admin Assistant, the head librarian, the assessment coach, and 10 Department chairs.
We paid for 20 (not 19) day guests at $155 each, which included meeting room, "seasonally crafted lunch" (what the hell is that), continuously replenishing refreshment break "kiosks" with unlimited beverages and snacks all day, "18 hour" chairs, an ergonomic room (thank God), in-room climate/sound/lighting controls, a podium with microphone, 2 flipcharts (wow), and one whiteboard with markers (thank goodness for that). It ran from 8-5. Don't know if pool and golf privileges were available for add-on. Grand total-$3514.17 including service charge and $200 of tax.
#2 Langley HS Admin retreat-Alexandria Hilton, July 10 through the 11th, 2013.
We paid $350 for a conference room and snack/breakfast room, a $95 labor surcharge for less than 20 people, seven rooms at $226.51 each with tax and parking (parking was $32 a person and they all drove their own cars). The banquet check shows that we paid for 8 continental breakfasts at $26 each, 8 all day coffee services (tea and coffee) for $15 per person, a flip chart presenter package ($40 plus $11.67 in admin charge and tax-that must have been quite a flip chart), and the $350 meeting room, etc. With fees and admin charges and taxes it came to $941.02. Add in the guest room charges of $1602.52 for a grand total of $2543.54. Names-Ragone, Amico, Statz, Meier, Bowerman, Noto, Williams.
So the Langley parking pass money paid about $6100 for two meetings. I guess we don't have enough real estate right in FCPS that could have been used? They were so exhausted they HAD to stay overnight rather than drive up the road and go to bed at home? I am sure this was a real bonding experience but really now. I thought this school system was in dire straights.
And no I am not making this up. And I think this is a great place to put this out.
#1 Lansdowne Resort 8/20/2013
Instructional Council retreat- 19 people. The principal, 3 Assistant principals, two directors, an Admin Assistant, the head librarian, the assessment coach, and 10 Department chairs.
We paid for 20 (not 19) day guests at $155 each, which included meeting room, "seasonally crafted lunch" (what the hell is that), continuously replenishing refreshment break "kiosks" with unlimited beverages and snacks all day, "18 hour" chairs, an ergonomic room (thank God), in-room climate/sound/lighting controls, a podium with microphone, 2 flipcharts (wow), and one whiteboard with markers (thank goodness for that). It ran from 8-5. Don't know if pool and golf privileges were available for add-on. Grand total-$3514.17 including service charge and $200 of tax.
#2 Langley HS Admin retreat-Alexandria Hilton, July 10 through the 11th, 2013.
We paid $350 for a conference room and snack/breakfast room, a $95 labor surcharge for less than 20 people, seven rooms at $226.51 each with tax and parking (parking was $32 a person and they all drove their own cars). The banquet check shows that we paid for 8 continental breakfasts at $26 each, 8 all day coffee services (tea and coffee) for $15 per person, a flip chart presenter package ($40 plus $11.67 in admin charge and tax-that must have been quite a flip chart), and the $350 meeting room, etc. With fees and admin charges and taxes it came to $941.02. Add in the guest room charges of $1602.52 for a grand total of $2543.54. Names-Ragone, Amico, Statz, Meier, Bowerman, Noto, Williams.
So the Langley parking pass money paid about $6100 for two meetings. I guess we don't have enough real estate right in FCPS that could have been used? They were so exhausted they HAD to stay overnight rather than drive up the road and go to bed at home? I am sure this was a real bonding experience but really now. I thought this school system was in dire straights.
And no I am not making this up. And I think this is a great place to put this out.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
where does everyone go?
()
Date: July 01, 2014 07:34PM
the facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Two admins at Langley HS, as I thought.
>
> #1 Lansdowne Resort 8/20/2013
>
> Instructional Council retreat- 19 people. The
> principal, 3 Assistant principals, two directors,
> an Admin Assistant, the head librarian, the
> assessment coach, and 10 Department chairs.
>
> We paid for 20 (not 19) day guests at $155 each,
> which included meeting room, "seasonally crafted
> lunch" (what the hell is that), continuously
> replenishing refreshment break "kiosks" with
> unlimited beverages and snacks all day, "18 hour"
> chairs, an ergonomic room (thank God), in-room
> climate/sound/lighting controls, a podium with
> microphone, 2 flipcharts (wow), and one whiteboard
> with markers (thank goodness for that). It ran
> from 8-5. Don't know if pool and golf privileges
> were available for add-on. Grand total-$3514.17
> including service charge and $200 of tax.
>
>
>
> #2 Langley HS Admin retreat-Alexandria Hilton,
> July 10 through the 11th, 2013.
>
> We paid $350 for a conference room and
> snack/breakfast room, a $95 labor surcharge for
> less than 20 people, seven rooms at $226.51 each
> with tax and parking (parking was $32 a person and
> they all drove their own cars). The banquet check
> shows that we paid for 8 continental breakfasts at
> $26 each, 8 all day coffee services (tea and
> coffee) for $15 per person, a flip chart presenter
> package ($40 plus $11.67 in admin charge and
> tax-that must have been quite a flip chart), and
> the $350 meeting room, etc. With fees and admin
> charges and taxes it came to $941.02. Add in the
> guest room charges of $1602.52 for a grand total
> of $2543.54. Names-Ragone, Amico, Statz, Meier,
> Bowerman, Noto, Williams.
>
>
> So the Langley parking pass money paid about $6100
> for two meetings. I guess we don't have enough
> real estate right in FCPS that could have been
> used? They were so exhausted they HAD to stay
> overnight rather than drive up the road and go to
> bed at home? I am sure this was a real bonding
> experience but really now. I thought this school
> system was in dire straights.
>
> And no I am not making this up. And I think this
> is a grethey have at place to put this out.
That's actually one of the cheaper boondoggles for FCPS, they have had admins go overseas and out of state en mass for conferences. So if you see that the lines of the parking lots have not been touched up recently, at least you will have an idea as to why....
-------------------------------------------------------
> Two admins at Langley HS, as I thought.
>
> #1 Lansdowne Resort 8/20/2013
>
> Instructional Council retreat- 19 people. The
> principal, 3 Assistant principals, two directors,
> an Admin Assistant, the head librarian, the
> assessment coach, and 10 Department chairs.
>
> We paid for 20 (not 19) day guests at $155 each,
> which included meeting room, "seasonally crafted
> lunch" (what the hell is that), continuously
> replenishing refreshment break "kiosks" with
> unlimited beverages and snacks all day, "18 hour"
> chairs, an ergonomic room (thank God), in-room
> climate/sound/lighting controls, a podium with
> microphone, 2 flipcharts (wow), and one whiteboard
> with markers (thank goodness for that). It ran
> from 8-5. Don't know if pool and golf privileges
> were available for add-on. Grand total-$3514.17
> including service charge and $200 of tax.
>
>
>
> #2 Langley HS Admin retreat-Alexandria Hilton,
> July 10 through the 11th, 2013.
>
> We paid $350 for a conference room and
> snack/breakfast room, a $95 labor surcharge for
> less than 20 people, seven rooms at $226.51 each
> with tax and parking (parking was $32 a person and
> they all drove their own cars). The banquet check
> shows that we paid for 8 continental breakfasts at
> $26 each, 8 all day coffee services (tea and
> coffee) for $15 per person, a flip chart presenter
> package ($40 plus $11.67 in admin charge and
> tax-that must have been quite a flip chart), and
> the $350 meeting room, etc. With fees and admin
> charges and taxes it came to $941.02. Add in the
> guest room charges of $1602.52 for a grand total
> of $2543.54. Names-Ragone, Amico, Statz, Meier,
> Bowerman, Noto, Williams.
>
>
> So the Langley parking pass money paid about $6100
> for two meetings. I guess we don't have enough
> real estate right in FCPS that could have been
> used? They were so exhausted they HAD to stay
> overnight rather than drive up the road and go to
> bed at home? I am sure this was a real bonding
> experience but really now. I thought this school
> system was in dire straights.
>
> And no I am not making this up. And I think this
> is a grethey have at place to put this out.
That's actually one of the cheaper boondoggles for FCPS, they have had admins go overseas and out of state en mass for conferences. So if you see that the lines of the parking lots have not been touched up recently, at least you will have an idea as to why....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 01, 2014 08:03PM
Oh I am sure there have been some doozies. Wish I was this broke.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
icing on the cake
()
Date: July 01, 2014 09:11PM
Oh, and the Hilton made sure there were pads, pens, candy, and water for all the attendees.
Moving on...
Moving on...
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
wowzer
()
Date: July 01, 2014 09:18PM
This is all just wrong. Stop giving them a kickback on the parking fees! Is this the central admin. feeling guilty about taking the out of state and overseas trips?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
yup
()
Date: July 01, 2014 09:21PM
Speak up, folks! It's your money.
Everything is on the table.
Everything is on the table.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Moneyfolks
()
Date: July 02, 2014 10:45AM
Shut up folks!
if it were your money you would still have it.
if it were your money you would still have it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 02, 2014 04:28PM
This is what the parking pass money goes for at Westfield. Brandynn Reaves and the staff have been churning out a lot of information.
6/18/2013 Breakfast for 275. Delivery time 0630-0700. "Call upon arrival, will meet up front". Breakfast sandwiches, potatoes, fruit, condiments, baked goods (assorted), scrambled eggs, coffee/tea etc. St. Germain gave the school a 10% discount, total of $3266.22.
8/20/2013 Breakfast for 30. Delivery time 0700-0730. Baked Quiche (assorted!), hashbrowns, sausage or bacon, condiments, coffee/etc. Total with tip about $355 (got cut off).
8/26/2013 Breakfast for 325! Delivered! 260 flour breakfast tortillas (50 no meat), potatoes, salsa, fruit, assorted breakfast breads, butter and jelly, coffee and tea. Total of $3188.27 with tip.
That's all I have on that! Total of almost $7000. Yes, $7000.
Sounds just yummy.
Thoughts? Speak up. This wasn't any student BBQ.
This is public school.
And I assure you I am not making this up.
6/18/2013 Breakfast for 275. Delivery time 0630-0700. "Call upon arrival, will meet up front". Breakfast sandwiches, potatoes, fruit, condiments, baked goods (assorted), scrambled eggs, coffee/tea etc. St. Germain gave the school a 10% discount, total of $3266.22.
8/20/2013 Breakfast for 30. Delivery time 0700-0730. Baked Quiche (assorted!), hashbrowns, sausage or bacon, condiments, coffee/etc. Total with tip about $355 (got cut off).
8/26/2013 Breakfast for 325! Delivered! 260 flour breakfast tortillas (50 no meat), potatoes, salsa, fruit, assorted breakfast breads, butter and jelly, coffee and tea. Total of $3188.27 with tip.
That's all I have on that! Total of almost $7000. Yes, $7000.
Sounds just yummy.
Thoughts? Speak up. This wasn't any student BBQ.
This is public school.
And I assure you I am not making this up.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
addition
()
Date: July 02, 2014 05:35PM
Oh and 8/26 also had three full pans of scrambled eggs. $195 (already included in price)
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
boy I'm full
()
Date: July 02, 2014 06:12PM
the facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is what the parking pass money goes for at
> Westfield. Brandynn Reaves and the staff have been
> churning out a lot of information.
>
> 6/18/2013 Breakfast for 275. Delivery time
> 0630-0700. "Call upon arrival, will meet up
> front". Breakfast sandwiches, potatoes, fruit,
> condiments, baked goods (assorted), scrambled
> eggs, coffee/tea etc. St. Germain gave the school
> a 10% discount, total of $3266.22.
>
> 8/20/2013 Breakfast for 30. Delivery time
> 0700-0730. Baked Quiche (assorted!), hashbrowns,
> sausage or bacon, condiments, coffee/etc. Total
> with tip about $355 (got cut off).
>
> 8/26/2013 Breakfast for 325! Delivered! 260 flour
> breakfast tortillas (50 no meat), potatoes, salsa,
> fruit, assorted breakfast breads, butter and
> jelly, coffee and tea. Total of $3188.27 with tip.
>
>
> That's all I have on that! Total of almost $7000.
> Yes, $7000.
>
> Sounds just yummy.
>
> Thoughts? Speak up. This wasn't any student BBQ.
>
> This is public school.
>
> And I assure you I am not making this up.
I know you are not making it up, the only thing wrong is there a bunch of catered affairs that you missed listing for 2013
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is what the parking pass money goes for at
> Westfield. Brandynn Reaves and the staff have been
> churning out a lot of information.
>
> 6/18/2013 Breakfast for 275. Delivery time
> 0630-0700. "Call upon arrival, will meet up
> front". Breakfast sandwiches, potatoes, fruit,
> condiments, baked goods (assorted), scrambled
> eggs, coffee/tea etc. St. Germain gave the school
> a 10% discount, total of $3266.22.
>
> 8/20/2013 Breakfast for 30. Delivery time
> 0700-0730. Baked Quiche (assorted!), hashbrowns,
> sausage or bacon, condiments, coffee/etc. Total
> with tip about $355 (got cut off).
>
> 8/26/2013 Breakfast for 325! Delivered! 260 flour
> breakfast tortillas (50 no meat), potatoes, salsa,
> fruit, assorted breakfast breads, butter and
> jelly, coffee and tea. Total of $3188.27 with tip.
>
>
> That's all I have on that! Total of almost $7000.
> Yes, $7000.
>
> Sounds just yummy.
>
> Thoughts? Speak up. This wasn't any student BBQ.
>
> This is public school.
>
> And I assure you I am not making this up.
I know you are not making it up, the only thing wrong is there a bunch of catered affairs that you missed listing for 2013
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 02, 2014 06:19PM
I can't do it all. I am just picking highlights and snippets.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
more stuff
()
Date: July 02, 2014 07:15PM
Just got more on McLean.
One point of interest-since 5/16/2013, a total of $50,000 has been moved over to this discretionary account, an account that supposedly can only be funded by certain things, with the explanation of "cover purchases/orders". Yeh.
It is pretty much all gone, spent on clothing/trinkets/flowers/restaurants.
The highlights-
9/23/2013 charge card Loews Hotel $1983.60 my guess is it pairs up with the 9/5/2013 charge for "dinner Admin retreat" $370.32.
12/17/2013 Maggiano's $2223.09 a McLean tradition? That is numero dos.
3/27/2014 beach towels $2324
4/10/2014 key tags $1149.48
4/10/2014 beach bags $1344.13
5/7/2014 Red Hot and Blue Catering $2554.95
11/8/2013 Hard Times Café $872.25 (Hard times? WHAT hard times?)
12/23/2013 Famous something my guess is Dave's because it was for $2097.97
10/23/2013 shirts $3486.31
1/21/2014 sweatshirts $586.50
3/13/2014 MORE shirts $1425.25
5/2/2014 UnderArm (?Armour) $985.75
Everything is on the table!
We have to cut services to the children!
We are broke!
Parents, we need some fundraisers!
Maybe they are doing a summer retreat in Ocean City. Keep your eyes peeled.
One point of interest-since 5/16/2013, a total of $50,000 has been moved over to this discretionary account, an account that supposedly can only be funded by certain things, with the explanation of "cover purchases/orders". Yeh.
It is pretty much all gone, spent on clothing/trinkets/flowers/restaurants.
The highlights-
9/23/2013 charge card Loews Hotel $1983.60 my guess is it pairs up with the 9/5/2013 charge for "dinner Admin retreat" $370.32.
12/17/2013 Maggiano's $2223.09 a McLean tradition? That is numero dos.
3/27/2014 beach towels $2324
4/10/2014 key tags $1149.48
4/10/2014 beach bags $1344.13
5/7/2014 Red Hot and Blue Catering $2554.95
11/8/2013 Hard Times Café $872.25 (Hard times? WHAT hard times?)
12/23/2013 Famous something my guess is Dave's because it was for $2097.97
10/23/2013 shirts $3486.31
1/21/2014 sweatshirts $586.50
3/13/2014 MORE shirts $1425.25
5/2/2014 UnderArm (?Armour) $985.75
Everything is on the table!
We have to cut services to the children!
We are broke!
Parents, we need some fundraisers!
Maybe they are doing a summer retreat in Ocean City. Keep your eyes peeled.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
e-i-e-i-o
()
Date: July 03, 2014 10:49AM
This is bull!@#$.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
more facts
()
Date: July 03, 2014 12:07PM
This is where monopole rental, vending profits, parking pass $, etc. goes at TJ-
(a few examples)
The usual endless supply of donuts and bagels, flowers, etc.
A monthly birthday lunch group.
5/7/2013 Teacher appreciation massages. $360 to Capitol Rehab of Annandale (now there's a new one)
6/7/2013 lunch Westwood Country Club $1630
6/11/2013 Jefferson cups for staff $365
6/18/2013 lunch 4/3 $1417.40
6/19/2013 Retirement clocks $1168.20
5/8/2014 Waterford retirement clocks $682
5/8/2014 lunch 4/2/2014 $1366.01
5/14/2014 Jefferson cups for staff $365
6/12/2014 Staff lunch Westwood Country Club 6/20 $1340
6/23/2014 Staff appreciation massages (paid to FCPS) $455.90
Did not see much for the students.
(a few examples)
The usual endless supply of donuts and bagels, flowers, etc.
A monthly birthday lunch group.
5/7/2013 Teacher appreciation massages. $360 to Capitol Rehab of Annandale (now there's a new one)
6/7/2013 lunch Westwood Country Club $1630
6/11/2013 Jefferson cups for staff $365
6/18/2013 lunch 4/3 $1417.40
6/19/2013 Retirement clocks $1168.20
5/8/2014 Waterford retirement clocks $682
5/8/2014 lunch 4/2/2014 $1366.01
5/14/2014 Jefferson cups for staff $365
6/12/2014 Staff lunch Westwood Country Club 6/20 $1340
6/23/2014 Staff appreciation massages (paid to FCPS) $455.90
Did not see much for the students.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
news flash!
()
Date: July 03, 2014 07:55PM
something missing Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If I recall correctly, these principals promised
> that the surveillance cameras would be paid for
> from these accounts.
>
> Anyone see that?
>
> These cameras cost like $80k. Huh.
>
> $80k times 25 high schools and schools wonder why
> there is no money in the maintenance budget to pay
> for needed repairs.
>
> I guess they lied. What a shocker.
I can't believe it!!!!!! Money spent on something important!!!!!! I found it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fairfax HS spent about $14,000 on security cameras in March of 2013!!!!! AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!
But, then I took at a look at the rest of the report, and it's the same old stuff. I'll put more out later on. Another luxury admin retreat/conference, etc. etc. etc.
-------------------------------------------------------
> If I recall correctly, these principals promised
> that the surveillance cameras would be paid for
> from these accounts.
>
> Anyone see that?
>
> These cameras cost like $80k. Huh.
>
> $80k times 25 high schools and schools wonder why
> there is no money in the maintenance budget to pay
> for needed repairs.
>
> I guess they lied. What a shocker.
I can't believe it!!!!!! Money spent on something important!!!!!! I found it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fairfax HS spent about $14,000 on security cameras in March of 2013!!!!! AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!
But, then I took at a look at the rest of the report, and it's the same old stuff. I'll put more out later on. Another luxury admin retreat/conference, etc. etc. etc.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
star spangled sampler
()
Date: July 04, 2014 08:43AM
A few to liven up the holiday weekend! I need to pull receipts on some of these to see what is going on, but it makes for fun reading.
Fairfax HS- 6/17/2013 cookies and water $2419.38 (cookies and water?), 6/24/2013 portfolios $2938.57. A trip to Harbourtowne in St. Michael's, MD in 8/2013 that totaled at least $1500 and included a $344.50 meal at the Crab and Claw.
Herndon HS- 11/2013 a trip to the Inn at Charlestown, WV ("overlooking the thoroughbred racetrack") than ran well over $1000. A $1000+ bill to Hyatt House in 8/2013.
Centreville HS- 9/29/2013 About $6000 for staff lanyards and tshirts
Lake Braddock- 4/15/20213 payments to Talented Touch, The Pain Away, and Vitality with Valerie. Each received $250. Looks like massage therapy. Just where and why are people (maybe taking off their clothes) getting massages in the school? Joe Ragan's coffee got about $2000 over 15 months.
Robinson-nice change of pace with a lunch for military families $1381.25 in 4/2013. But they will have to explain 8/26/2013 charges to The Mason Inn at GMU for about $2600 and $441 of tickets to the Nationals. The 9/10/2013 charge of $2254.63 for imprinted pens is noted.
South County- 3/13/2013 paid Infinity Promotions $2910 for teacher appreciation somethings. 10/16/2013 staff shirts $4858.
Lots and lots of people attend the Virginia Association of Secondary School Principals conferences. They of course are held in lovely places like The Homestead and Williamsburg, and we pay for it all. The memberships are over $500 and we also pay those. That only covers one person even if we pay for a membership for "a school". And it comes out of the ECA.
Have a nice weekend!
Fairfax HS- 6/17/2013 cookies and water $2419.38 (cookies and water?), 6/24/2013 portfolios $2938.57. A trip to Harbourtowne in St. Michael's, MD in 8/2013 that totaled at least $1500 and included a $344.50 meal at the Crab and Claw.
Herndon HS- 11/2013 a trip to the Inn at Charlestown, WV ("overlooking the thoroughbred racetrack") than ran well over $1000. A $1000+ bill to Hyatt House in 8/2013.
Centreville HS- 9/29/2013 About $6000 for staff lanyards and tshirts
Lake Braddock- 4/15/20213 payments to Talented Touch, The Pain Away, and Vitality with Valerie. Each received $250. Looks like massage therapy. Just where and why are people (maybe taking off their clothes) getting massages in the school? Joe Ragan's coffee got about $2000 over 15 months.
Robinson-nice change of pace with a lunch for military families $1381.25 in 4/2013. But they will have to explain 8/26/2013 charges to The Mason Inn at GMU for about $2600 and $441 of tickets to the Nationals. The 9/10/2013 charge of $2254.63 for imprinted pens is noted.
South County- 3/13/2013 paid Infinity Promotions $2910 for teacher appreciation somethings. 10/16/2013 staff shirts $4858.
Lots and lots of people attend the Virginia Association of Secondary School Principals conferences. They of course are held in lovely places like The Homestead and Williamsburg, and we pay for it all. The memberships are over $500 and we also pay those. That only covers one person even if we pay for a membership for "a school". And it comes out of the ECA.
Have a nice weekend!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
mom245
()
Date: July 04, 2014 09:50AM
MoCo officials have to pay back their slush
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/montgomery-school-officials-made-additional-reimbursements-for-spending/2014/07/03/be6f35aa-02d2-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/montgomery-school-officials-made-additional-reimbursements-for-spending/2014/07/03/be6f35aa-02d2-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 04, 2014 10:05AM
Thank you mom245!
Maybe we should all meet up somewhere.
I am pulling records on all the high schools, for the last 15 months or so. The ECA accounting data is free. You pay about $31 an hour for the finance techs to prove their work with receipts and credit cards statements (they are just putting down "charges/purchases" and other creative names for some of the money pulled out of these accounts). Uh uh uh. Put it out there! Do it right the first time. They aren't proving their deposits, either. Regulation 5810 page 35 explains the limitations on those.
They have to save records for five years following the summer audit. State law. Jump in, people! Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu. Brandy is doing a superb job with producing records. Shoutout to Brandy and the DCCO staff.
Are they getting massages on company time, both of which we are paying for? This sounds totally decadent. Nothing like spa time on FCPS time and property.
If you will excuse me I am going to go set a few things on fire today.
Maybe we should all meet up somewhere.
I am pulling records on all the high schools, for the last 15 months or so. The ECA accounting data is free. You pay about $31 an hour for the finance techs to prove their work with receipts and credit cards statements (they are just putting down "charges/purchases" and other creative names for some of the money pulled out of these accounts). Uh uh uh. Put it out there! Do it right the first time. They aren't proving their deposits, either. Regulation 5810 page 35 explains the limitations on those.
They have to save records for five years following the summer audit. State law. Jump in, people! Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu. Brandy is doing a superb job with producing records. Shoutout to Brandy and the DCCO staff.
Are they getting massages on company time, both of which we are paying for? This sounds totally decadent. Nothing like spa time on FCPS time and property.
If you will excuse me I am going to go set a few things on fire today.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Fairfax HS
()
Date: July 04, 2014 12:27PM
Found another $1000 deposit on Harbourtowne. Total of at least $3000 on this. Just lovely, I'm sure.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
bacchanalia
()
Date: July 05, 2014 09:57AM
Maybe they are doing the massages after or before school. Maybe they are also fed grapes (that we paid for) whilst doing this.
The image of staff ducking into a classroom that has been turned in a taxpayer funded massage parlor is just too much to handle.
The image of staff ducking into a classroom that has been turned in a taxpayer funded massage parlor is just too much to handle.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
revisit
()
Date: July 05, 2014 10:05AM
maybe they are sending them to a clinic and charging it on the company card.
this is ridiculous.
this is ridiculous.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Pfffffff
()
Date: July 05, 2014 04:58PM
I believe I speak for everyone when I say, you are an idiot.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 06, 2014 08:12AM
I agree with Pfffff. Aaaaaahw is an idiot.
Langley HS- 8/23/2012 Pulcinella $685
Fairfax HS-4/29/2014 teacher appreciation bags $4514.70 [we do appreciate you-really] 6/20/2014 luncheon PJ Skidoo's $2000
Herndon HS, Centreville HS both spent over $6000 on staff clothing [they aren't the only ones-McLean and some others spent more]
Robinson HS-4/28/2014 $995.27 on Whoopie Pies (I am not making this up-it says Whoopie Pies). They also set the record at Milwaukee Frozen Custard [for staff] at $1500 on 3/15/2013.
Chantilly HS- 3/20/2014 Jason's Deli $2449.31
Everything is on the table!
We have to cut services to your children!
We are broke! You need to do more!
Our ECA funds go for copiers, computers, extra teachers, etc.! I am not seeing much of this. I would say 90-95% of the money in the accounts is not spent on students or the school or anything educational whatsoever. Some of the schools are raking in $30-40,000 a year.
I am pulling the massage therapy contracts, the Nationals tickets, etc. next week.
Langley HS- 8/23/2012 Pulcinella $685
Fairfax HS-4/29/2014 teacher appreciation bags $4514.70 [we do appreciate you-really] 6/20/2014 luncheon PJ Skidoo's $2000
Herndon HS, Centreville HS both spent over $6000 on staff clothing [they aren't the only ones-McLean and some others spent more]
Robinson HS-4/28/2014 $995.27 on Whoopie Pies (I am not making this up-it says Whoopie Pies). They also set the record at Milwaukee Frozen Custard [for staff] at $1500 on 3/15/2013.
Chantilly HS- 3/20/2014 Jason's Deli $2449.31
Everything is on the table!
We have to cut services to your children!
We are broke! You need to do more!
Our ECA funds go for copiers, computers, extra teachers, etc.! I am not seeing much of this. I would say 90-95% of the money in the accounts is not spent on students or the school or anything educational whatsoever. Some of the schools are raking in $30-40,000 a year.
I am pulling the massage therapy contracts, the Nationals tickets, etc. next week.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
student/school support
()
Date: July 06, 2014 06:41PM
I am going to point out a few of the very few situations that I found that were obviously school or student-related.
TJ- 2/5/2013 2nd semester activities support $3000. 9/25/2013 support student activities 1st semester $2615. 4/28/2014 2nd semester program support $3000. 6/19/2014 replace gymnastic mats $3094 except it also says "posting error s/be athletics".
Robinson- 5/19/2014 blankets for special ed $140. 6/19/2014 refrigerator for custodians $787.44 (they deserve it)
Centreville- 4/24/2013 assistance for SGA activities $1000.
Fairfax HS- 3/14/2013 security cameras $13,993.95
There are a pitiful few that might be in support of students or the school, but if they aren't labeled as such, I can't be sure. I would have to pull a lot of receipts to find out if some of this stuff is for students or the school. But, they were so grossly overshadowed in dollar amounts by the entries for the staff, it wasn't worth pursuing. It is pretty obvious what has been going on.
I pull another 11 schools in the next week or two.
Feel free to speak up!
TJ- 2/5/2013 2nd semester activities support $3000. 9/25/2013 support student activities 1st semester $2615. 4/28/2014 2nd semester program support $3000. 6/19/2014 replace gymnastic mats $3094 except it also says "posting error s/be athletics".
Robinson- 5/19/2014 blankets for special ed $140. 6/19/2014 refrigerator for custodians $787.44 (they deserve it)
Centreville- 4/24/2013 assistance for SGA activities $1000.
Fairfax HS- 3/14/2013 security cameras $13,993.95
There are a pitiful few that might be in support of students or the school, but if they aren't labeled as such, I can't be sure. I would have to pull a lot of receipts to find out if some of this stuff is for students or the school. But, they were so grossly overshadowed in dollar amounts by the entries for the staff, it wasn't worth pursuing. It is pretty obvious what has been going on.
I pull another 11 schools in the next week or two.
Feel free to speak up!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
ice cream?
()
Date: July 08, 2014 09:14AM
You really have to work to spend $1500 on ice cream. How do you even distribute that before it all melts? Does the staff line up out front as the delivery arrives? Do they have a Fireman's Brigade and load it into a freezer?
Who is in the classrooms and manning the front office?
Who is in the classrooms and manning the front office?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
golf!!!
()
Date: July 10, 2014 07:52AM
It looks like we also pay for golf. The ECA entry on some says "HSPA meeting/play". Others says "Top Golf Association" and others mention a tournament. Don't know what all that is. A sampling-
Robinson 10/25/2013 $260
Herndon 8/20/2012 $89
Oakton 11/8/2012 $35
Mount Vernon 9/4/2012 $89 and a "faculty outing" payment dated 8/29/2012 for Top Golf Alexandria $1065.65.
Stuart 8/20/2012 $89
Woodson 8/17/2012 $89.
Robinson 10/25/2013 $260
Herndon 8/20/2012 $89
Oakton 11/8/2012 $35
Mount Vernon 9/4/2012 $89 and a "faculty outing" payment dated 8/29/2012 for Top Golf Alexandria $1065.65.
Stuart 8/20/2012 $89
Woodson 8/17/2012 $89.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
retreat costs
()
Date: July 10, 2014 04:44PM
This is an example of what an annual principal's retreat costs, which we also pay for out of the parking pass and etc. money. This was held at the The Hotel at Arundel Preserve in Hanover, MD. You can look it up on the web. Nice place. March 19-20, 2013.
22+ rooms at $152 each.
Breakfast, all day beverages and munchies at about $40 a person. $1055. We paid for 24 people.
Lunch at $31 a person plus 28% service charge and tax. $1068. Based on 24 people.
There was a service charge for less than 25 people, which added about another $4 a person.
There was a banquet room rented at $250.
Grand total about $6700, not including any fancy dinners or extra activities.
There was at least one pricey meal at Grillfire in Hanover. Westfield HS, $483.
22+ rooms at $152 each.
Breakfast, all day beverages and munchies at about $40 a person. $1055. We paid for 24 people.
Lunch at $31 a person plus 28% service charge and tax. $1068. Based on 24 people.
There was a service charge for less than 25 people, which added about another $4 a person.
There was a banquet room rented at $250.
Grand total about $6700, not including any fancy dinners or extra activities.
There was at least one pricey meal at Grillfire in Hanover. Westfield HS, $483.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
but its cheap champagne
()
Date: July 10, 2014 04:56PM
This proves you can think more clearly and really get things done when it's on the taxpayer's dime. Just think of all the brainstorming that occurred which translated into improving your children's educational opportunities.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 10, 2014 06:03PM
The website says there are chocolates and wine waiting in the rooms when you arrive at the Arundel Preserve.
I am waiting on the massage contracts. They are due around the 23rd. So are the documents on the tickets to the Nationals.
I know FFU is full of lies, vulgarity, and everything else. But, everything that I am putting out is off of public records. Feel free to double-check me. It is easily done. This is as good a way to get the word out to the public as anything else. It works.
I am not making up any of these numbers. If I goof on a date or a minor typo here and there I am sorry.
I am just putting out numbers. You folks can make your own decisions and form your own opinions. I can't possible present everything. I have another 11 schools to go.
I am waiting on the massage contracts. They are due around the 23rd. So are the documents on the tickets to the Nationals.
I know FFU is full of lies, vulgarity, and everything else. But, everything that I am putting out is off of public records. Feel free to double-check me. It is easily done. This is as good a way to get the word out to the public as anything else. It works.
I am not making up any of these numbers. If I goof on a date or a minor typo here and there I am sorry.
I am just putting out numbers. You folks can make your own decisions and form your own opinions. I can't possible present everything. I have another 11 schools to go.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
McLean HS "meeting"
()
Date: July 10, 2014 06:45PM
Hot off the press.
8/15/2013 Loews Annapolis, no less. I have stayed there. It is lovely. It is expensive. It is 60 miles away.
It ran around $2200. They got a really good rate on the rooms for 11 people. $134 a night. Probably a government discount. Names-Stavish, Nowak, Lane, Patrick, Stansbery, Zook, Reilly, Belli, McNamara, Whitlock, and Humbert.
We are also looking at about $30 a person-for breakfast. Plus an additional $18 a person for something called Fruit and Fanciful. They paid $219.85 for Audiovisual equipment. It looks like there was a projector support package required which consisted of a safelock cover, a safelock stand, a 6 foot screen, and a small video cable lot and ran $170.
I can assure everybody there are also lots of lovely restaurants in that area of town. I am not researching those charges.
8/15/2013 Loews Annapolis, no less. I have stayed there. It is lovely. It is expensive. It is 60 miles away.
It ran around $2200. They got a really good rate on the rooms for 11 people. $134 a night. Probably a government discount. Names-Stavish, Nowak, Lane, Patrick, Stansbery, Zook, Reilly, Belli, McNamara, Whitlock, and Humbert.
We are also looking at about $30 a person-for breakfast. Plus an additional $18 a person for something called Fruit and Fanciful. They paid $219.85 for Audiovisual equipment. It looks like there was a projector support package required which consisted of a safelock cover, a safelock stand, a 6 foot screen, and a small video cable lot and ran $170.
I can assure everybody there are also lots of lovely restaurants in that area of town. I am not researching those charges.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
McLean meeting
()
Date: July 10, 2014 06:53PM
Found Purchase order for dinner-$375.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Arundel Preserve
()
Date: July 10, 2014 07:17PM
retreat costs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is an example of what an annual principal's
> retreat costs, which we also pay for out of the
> parking pass and etc. money. This was held at the
> The Hotel at Arundel Preserve in Hanover, MD. You
> can look it up on the web. Nice place. March
> 19-20, 2013.
>
> 22+ rooms at $152 each.
>
> Breakfast, all day beverages and munchies at about
> $40 a person. $1055. We paid for 24 people.
>
> Lunch at $31 a person plus 28% service charge and
> tax. $1068. Based on 24 people.
>
> There was a service charge for less than 25
> people, which added about another $4 a person.
>
> There was a banquet room rented at $250.
>
> Grand total about $6700, not including any fancy
> dinners or extra activities.
>
> There was at least one pricey meal at Grillfire in
> Hanover. Westfield HS, $483.
The retreat was actually in 2014. Sorry. Grillfire was last year, so they probably did the exact same thing last year.
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is an example of what an annual principal's
> retreat costs, which we also pay for out of the
> parking pass and etc. money. This was held at the
> The Hotel at Arundel Preserve in Hanover, MD. You
> can look it up on the web. Nice place. March
> 19-20, 2013.
>
> 22+ rooms at $152 each.
>
> Breakfast, all day beverages and munchies at about
> $40 a person. $1055. We paid for 24 people.
>
> Lunch at $31 a person plus 28% service charge and
> tax. $1068. Based on 24 people.
>
> There was a service charge for less than 25
> people, which added about another $4 a person.
>
> There was a banquet room rented at $250.
>
> Grand total about $6700, not including any fancy
> dinners or extra activities.
>
> There was at least one pricey meal at Grillfire in
> Hanover. Westfield HS, $483.
The retreat was actually in 2014. Sorry. Grillfire was last year, so they probably did the exact same thing last year.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
how do I apply?
()
Date: July 11, 2014 02:07PM
I would like a massage and ice cream. How do I get a job with the school system?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
how do I apply?
()
Date: July 11, 2014 02:08PM
I also like to play golf.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
give them a break
()
Date: July 12, 2014 10:38AM
The wine and chocolates at Arundel Preserve are part of the Romance Package.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
hubba hubba
()
Date: July 12, 2014 01:00PM
give them a break Wrote:
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> The wine and chocolates at Arundel Preserve are
> part of the Romance Package.
Ya apparently there has been a little of that at the conferences, ask around for who has been quickly and mysteriously transferred from one school to another without making a request to do so
-------------------------------------------------------
> The wine and chocolates at Arundel Preserve are
> part of the Romance Package.
Ya apparently there has been a little of that at the conferences, ask around for who has been quickly and mysteriously transferred from one school to another without making a request to do so
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
give them a break
()
Date: July 12, 2014 01:08PM
You have to pay extra for the Romance Package.
This is getting better and better.
Maybe they need to quit having conferences like this.
This is getting better and better.
Maybe they need to quit having conferences like this.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 12, 2014 02:50PM
I could pull more receipts........ ;).
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Pfffffff
()
Date: July 13, 2014 03:22PM
Go ahead, you clearly have nothing else important going on in your life...
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 15, 2014 08:44PM
Robinson Secondary Admin retreats-
Two half day retreats at Mason Inn, July 23 and 24, 2013. Ran about $2600 total. 13 people each day. It included lunch in the lovely Boxwoods Dining Room, one round table for 13 people, an LCD projector with screen, and a white board with markers. What a deal! They were approved to spend as much as $3500 on the purchase order (#140180).
They also had to purchase meeting space on 6/26/2014 and 6/27/2014 from Carr Workplaces for another Admin retreat. It looks like it ran $440 per day. I am not going to pursue meals and extras on this. The purchase order 14-2828 was approved for up to $2000.
FCPS has at least 200 buildings, with dozens of conference rooms, auditoriums, and lecture halls. That is all I am going to say about this kind of stuff.
Two half day retreats at Mason Inn, July 23 and 24, 2013. Ran about $2600 total. 13 people each day. It included lunch in the lovely Boxwoods Dining Room, one round table for 13 people, an LCD projector with screen, and a white board with markers. What a deal! They were approved to spend as much as $3500 on the purchase order (#140180).
They also had to purchase meeting space on 6/26/2014 and 6/27/2014 from Carr Workplaces for another Admin retreat. It looks like it ran $440 per day. I am not going to pursue meals and extras on this. The purchase order 14-2828 was approved for up to $2000.
FCPS has at least 200 buildings, with dozens of conference rooms, auditoriums, and lecture halls. That is all I am going to say about this kind of stuff.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
EffinBroke
()
Date: July 16, 2014 12:10PM
$44 per person? For LUNCH? For PRINCIPALS?
No wonder we're broke!!!!!!!
Every single time FCPS cries poor mouth that they squeezed as far as they can and that all the money is for salaries at something like 88%, I just can't believe them. Now I know why.
I'll bet if they had to pay for it, it would be a $10 lunch. Instead we pay more than 4x as much because we're the mooks who get stuck with the bill as taxpayers.
No wonder we're broke!!!!!!!
Every single time FCPS cries poor mouth that they squeezed as far as they can and that all the money is for salaries at something like 88%, I just can't believe them. Now I know why.
I'll bet if they had to pay for it, it would be a $10 lunch. Instead we pay more than 4x as much because we're the mooks who get stuck with the bill as taxpayers.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
THE FACTS
()
Date: July 16, 2014 04:44PM
Breakfast, munchies, and beverages was another $40 a person, don't forget.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
you forgot about dinner!
()
Date: July 16, 2014 07:51PM
EffinBroke Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> $44 per person? For LUNCH? For PRINCIPALS?
> No wonder we're broke!!!!!!!
>
> Every single time FCPS cries poor mouth that they
> squeezed as far as they can and that all the money
> is for salaries at something like 88%, I just
> can't believe them. Now I know why.
>
> I'll bet if they had to pay for it, it would be a
> $10 lunch. Instead we pay more than 4x as much
> because we're the mooks who get stuck with the
> bill as taxpayers.
You forgot that we also probably had to pay for at least one if not two fancy dinners. Add it on to the taxpayer's tab.
-------------------------------------------------------
> $44 per person? For LUNCH? For PRINCIPALS?
> No wonder we're broke!!!!!!!
>
> Every single time FCPS cries poor mouth that they
> squeezed as far as they can and that all the money
> is for salaries at something like 88%, I just
> can't believe them. Now I know why.
>
> I'll bet if they had to pay for it, it would be a
> $10 lunch. Instead we pay more than 4x as much
> because we're the mooks who get stuck with the
> bill as taxpayers.
You forgot that we also probably had to pay for at least one if not two fancy dinners. Add it on to the taxpayer's tab.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Kindergarten IA
()
Date: July 16, 2014 09:47PM
I don't think we're the top of the heap or the neediest, but Kindergarten IAs were on the chopping block. We help and love these kids to the best ability to give the a great start in FCPS.
How can Principals in any good conscience go on retreats with some of their staff or teachers knowing FCPS and people's jobs and livelihoods are in trouble?
The Cluster Assistant Superintendents or someone should have done something if they could or knew.
I feel helpless. How does this stop?
How can Principals in any good conscience go on retreats with some of their staff or teachers knowing FCPS and people's jobs and livelihoods are in trouble?
The Cluster Assistant Superintendents or someone should have done something if they could or knew.
I feel helpless. How does this stop?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
sarcasm 101
()
Date: July 17, 2014 06:51AM
"It's good to be King/Queen." "Let them eat cake." "We deserve it."
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
i don't get it
()
Date: July 17, 2014 09:14AM
Kindergarten IA Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't think we're the top of the heap or the
> neediest, but Kindergarten IAs were on the
> chopping block. We help and love these kids to the
> best ability to give the a great start in FCPS.
>
> How can Principals in any good conscience go on
> retreats with some of their staff or teachers
> knowing FCPS and people's jobs and livelihoods are
> in trouble?
>
> The Cluster Assistant Superintendents or someone
> should have done something if they could or knew.
>
> I feel helpless. How does this stop?
How can you teach a kindergarten class without an assistant? The little ones are forever needing help.
You can run a high school and hold admin meetings in a school facility. You don't need a $3500 meeting at Lansdowne.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't think we're the top of the heap or the
> neediest, but Kindergarten IAs were on the
> chopping block. We help and love these kids to the
> best ability to give the a great start in FCPS.
>
> How can Principals in any good conscience go on
> retreats with some of their staff or teachers
> knowing FCPS and people's jobs and livelihoods are
> in trouble?
>
> The Cluster Assistant Superintendents or someone
> should have done something if they could or knew.
>
> I feel helpless. How does this stop?
How can you teach a kindergarten class without an assistant? The little ones are forever needing help.
You can run a high school and hold admin meetings in a school facility. You don't need a $3500 meeting at Lansdowne.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 17, 2014 10:14AM
I have a copy of a purchase order 14-0226 dated 7/23/2013 for 18 $20 tickets to the Nationals game (vs Pirates) 7/25/2013. There were also three parking passes purchased at $27 each. Total of $441. Robinson SS.
At least it was a home game!
I am awaiting the list of attendees.
That's all I know.
At least it was a home game!
I am awaiting the list of attendees.
That's all I know.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
FfxCtyTaxpayer61
()
Date: July 17, 2014 11:53AM
Robinson SS staff who went to or approved the purchase should be fired. Period.
There is NOTHING about attending a professional baseball game on the county taxpayers' dime which is necessary to deliver education in Fairfax County. Nothing.
The School Board needs to stop Fraud Waste and Abuse in the system.
There is NOTHING about attending a professional baseball game on the county taxpayers' dime which is necessary to deliver education in Fairfax County. Nothing.
The School Board needs to stop Fraud Waste and Abuse in the system.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
unbelievable
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Date: July 17, 2014 12:02PM
This makes me feel sick. Those IA people are so poorly compensated. Without the IA, the teacher cannot focus on instruction to nearly the same extent.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 17, 2014 12:28PM
7/25/2013 was a Thursday and the game was at 1235. The request was by Matt Eline and I can't read the approving signature but the line reads "approved by principal". I think the first letter is an M.
I really don't know the details. I don't have any names yet.
I thought the $1100 Mount Vernon faculty golf outing was rather bizarre, also, but I am trying to stick to just putting out the facts.
Feel free to help out! I am just putting out what I am seeing on the papers and will have to leave addressing all this up to the general public. I can't wrestle with 25 high schools and the entire school board and the business office and the Supers etc. etc. etc. over all this. Perhaps a responsible parent from each school could request ECA records and work up a team to analyze what has been going on.
Good luck.
Please be assured I am not making up any of this. I don't have time to post hundreds of pages of documents. You can always get them. They are in the FOIA office. Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu. She has been very busy and very helpful. I have several more things coming and 11 more schools to go.
I really don't know the details. I don't have any names yet.
I thought the $1100 Mount Vernon faculty golf outing was rather bizarre, also, but I am trying to stick to just putting out the facts.
Feel free to help out! I am just putting out what I am seeing on the papers and will have to leave addressing all this up to the general public. I can't wrestle with 25 high schools and the entire school board and the business office and the Supers etc. etc. etc. over all this. Perhaps a responsible parent from each school could request ECA records and work up a team to analyze what has been going on.
Good luck.
Please be assured I am not making up any of this. I don't have time to post hundreds of pages of documents. You can always get them. They are in the FOIA office. Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu. She has been very busy and very helpful. I have several more things coming and 11 more schools to go.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Surprise!
()
Date: July 17, 2014 01:27PM
To "The Facts" - Thanks for all of the info. The things you have posted should outrage any tax paying citizen in FFX County. It doesn't matter if you have kids in the schools or not. Thanks and keep posting!
I see South County was mentioned in a few of your notes. It's well-known at SoCo if you need t-shirts then you go to Wendy, a woman who works in administration as the finance clerk. Some family connection with t-shirts and spirit packs. It's amazing how expensive these things can ge and why there is never a competitive bid to see who may have cheaper products and service…and no one questions things. The Dance Team, which is coached (advised, whatever) spends a fortune on all this stuff….directly to Miss Wendy. Go figure.
Keep 'em coming!
I see South County was mentioned in a few of your notes. It's well-known at SoCo if you need t-shirts then you go to Wendy, a woman who works in administration as the finance clerk. Some family connection with t-shirts and spirit packs. It's amazing how expensive these things can ge and why there is never a competitive bid to see who may have cheaper products and service…and no one questions things. The Dance Team, which is coached (advised, whatever) spends a fortune on all this stuff….directly to Miss Wendy. Go figure.
Keep 'em coming!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-3 parking tickets!!!
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Date: July 17, 2014 08:49PM
I have copies of three parking tickets issued by Officer S. Furman on 8/22/2013 between 1126 am and 1139 am at Woodson High School. I was told they were issued to three band clinicians (they don't have the names). The violations are $50 each, for being parked/stopped in fire lane. The remarks say signs clearly posted and curbs painted yellow.
A decision was made that these could be paid out of the ECA, and they were. These band clinicians are paid employees or IC's, I believe, probably supporting the Marching Band camps that are going on about that time. I don't know for sure.
The license numbers are all Virginia- 7175BH (a silver RAV4), CURLYWW (Green RAV4), and KTCOOP (White Toyota Sienna). Ticket numbers 119433156, 119433160, and 119433145 respectively.
Thank you, Surprise!
So that you understand how enormous this is- I have superficially screened 14 high schools over a 15 month period. I estimate at least $200,000 has been spent on restaurants, bagels, donuts, catered lunches, pizza, subs, ice cream treats, Admin retreats, etc. Probably lots more. Another $150,000+ has been spent on clothing (mostly for staff), presents, flowers, etc. All coming from the ECA accounts. I can't do it all. Some of the schools I have to pull credit card statements and then move on to detailed receipts. I am paying for this out of my own pocket. I have a job and a family and a house to tend to. When I figured out what was going on I reported this to the Comptroller, the Deputy, and Patty Reed on the School Board. That was a year and a half ago. I have heard nothing back. Not one word, other than "we are working on it".
I think they need to get the lead out.
A decision was made that these could be paid out of the ECA, and they were. These band clinicians are paid employees or IC's, I believe, probably supporting the Marching Band camps that are going on about that time. I don't know for sure.
The license numbers are all Virginia- 7175BH (a silver RAV4), CURLYWW (Green RAV4), and KTCOOP (White Toyota Sienna). Ticket numbers 119433156, 119433160, and 119433145 respectively.
Thank you, Surprise!
So that you understand how enormous this is- I have superficially screened 14 high schools over a 15 month period. I estimate at least $200,000 has been spent on restaurants, bagels, donuts, catered lunches, pizza, subs, ice cream treats, Admin retreats, etc. Probably lots more. Another $150,000+ has been spent on clothing (mostly for staff), presents, flowers, etc. All coming from the ECA accounts. I can't do it all. Some of the schools I have to pull credit card statements and then move on to detailed receipts. I am paying for this out of my own pocket. I have a job and a family and a house to tend to. When I figured out what was going on I reported this to the Comptroller, the Deputy, and Patty Reed on the School Board. That was a year and a half ago. I have heard nothing back. Not one word, other than "we are working on it".
I think they need to get the lead out.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
SillyKniggits
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Date: July 17, 2014 10:51PM
Unless you want to be taunted a second time by FCPS, suggest you send request to Board Member Shultz who's the only one who we've seen ask real questions.The rest of the hotair windbags make meaningless comments and puff up their reputation of do nothing pass everything ask little and rubber stamp all. Meghan Mclaughin does some but not enough and Dan Storck (Abe Lincoln) used to but not so much anymore.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-SoCo
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Date: July 18, 2014 07:24AM
Regarding the clothing and other purchases at SoCo-The records I have show the following-
3/13/2013 teacher appreciation somethings $2,910. Infinity Promotions
4/5/2013 rugby for Admin $304 Infinity Promotions
10/16/2013 Staff Shirts $4858 Burke Sporting Goods
11/13/2013 Polos $62 Burke Sporting Goods
There are also thousands of dollars of generic credit card payments that Surprise is more than welcome to check out.
3/13/2013 teacher appreciation somethings $2,910. Infinity Promotions
4/5/2013 rugby for Admin $304 Infinity Promotions
10/16/2013 Staff Shirts $4858 Burke Sporting Goods
11/13/2013 Polos $62 Burke Sporting Goods
There are also thousands of dollars of generic credit card payments that Surprise is more than welcome to check out.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
poverty in schools
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Date: July 18, 2014 12:00PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-ends-the-year-with-million-in-unspent-cash-again/2014/07/17/239f1dda-0dca-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html
The SB can spend this however they want?
The SB can spend this however they want?
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Posted by:
smokeandmirrors
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Date: July 18, 2014 03:55PM
poverty in schools Wrote:
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fair
> fax-ends-the-year-with-million-in-unspent-cash-aga
> in/2014/07/17/239f1dda-0dca-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23
> _story.html
>
> The SB can spend this however they want?
Just think of how many staff they could pay for..........so many people lost their jobs.
every time I think of the little kindies and one teacher handling a whole room full of 5 year olds without an assistant...
Parties? Bullcrap.
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fair
> fax-ends-the-year-with-million-in-unspent-cash-aga
> in/2014/07/17/239f1dda-0dca-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23
> _story.html
>
> The SB can spend this however they want?
Just think of how many staff they could pay for..........so many people lost their jobs.
every time I think of the little kindies and one teacher handling a whole room full of 5 year olds without an assistant...
Parties? Bullcrap.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
parking tickets?
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Date: July 18, 2014 08:54PM
So the school system pays for parking tickets? Would they pay my speeding tickets?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
post more please?
()
Date: July 18, 2014 08:57PM
can whoever has these post images of the receipts or purchase orders or whatever there is that shows all this stuff?
this is outrageous. what the hell is south county doing spending $5000 on shirts for? i don't know how much they cost but at $20 a shirt that's 250 shirts!
i think the money in the schools is what they raise and they can spend it without any supervision from the superintendent because it doesn't come from the school board. so who gets to control this river of money?
this is outrageous. what the hell is south county doing spending $5000 on shirts for? i don't know how much they cost but at $20 a shirt that's 250 shirts!
i think the money in the schools is what they raise and they can spend it without any supervision from the superintendent because it doesn't come from the school board. so who gets to control this river of money?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 09:25AM
post more please? Wrote:
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> can whoever has these post images of the receipts
> or purchase orders or whatever there is that shows
> all this stuff?
>
> this is outrageous. what the hell is south county
> doing spending $5000 on shirts for? i don't know
> how much they cost but at $20 a shirt that's 250
> shirts!
>
> i think the money in the schools is what they
> raise and they can spend it without any
> supervision from the superintendent because it
> doesn't come from the school board. so who gets to
> control this river of money?
$5000 on a staff clothing purchase is pretty normal, from what I am seeing on all these records.
The money in the ECA fund IS owned by the School Board. It is not appropriated, meaning it doesn't come from the taxes. It comes from revenue generated by the individual school (parking passes, tuition, vending machines, monopole rental, etc.), but this is still public money. There aren't any written controls over what is done with it other than whatever the principal considers appropriate. That's IT. And I will tell you from what I am seeing there is very little interest if any at all in providing for your children. This fund exists to provide meals, clothing, presents, ice cream, donuts, bagels, Admins, parties, massages, and flowers for staff. I did see a several thousand dollar football uniform purchase at Oakton, the security cameras at Fairfax, and a few other things. But, I really had to look.
I am pulling the records on the $1000+ faculty golf outing down at Mt. Vernon next. I still don't have the names on the Nationals tickets. I am awaiting the massage contracts, a few Admins, and a couple of other pricey things. I would like to pull a lot more receipts and credit card statements, but this is huge. I am also ordering the basic accounting data on the final 11 schools.
I suggest everybody start pulling records on these accounts and start asking some questions.
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> can whoever has these post images of the receipts
> or purchase orders or whatever there is that shows
> all this stuff?
>
> this is outrageous. what the hell is south county
> doing spending $5000 on shirts for? i don't know
> how much they cost but at $20 a shirt that's 250
> shirts!
>
> i think the money in the schools is what they
> raise and they can spend it without any
> supervision from the superintendent because it
> doesn't come from the school board. so who gets to
> control this river of money?
$5000 on a staff clothing purchase is pretty normal, from what I am seeing on all these records.
The money in the ECA fund IS owned by the School Board. It is not appropriated, meaning it doesn't come from the taxes. It comes from revenue generated by the individual school (parking passes, tuition, vending machines, monopole rental, etc.), but this is still public money. There aren't any written controls over what is done with it other than whatever the principal considers appropriate. That's IT. And I will tell you from what I am seeing there is very little interest if any at all in providing for your children. This fund exists to provide meals, clothing, presents, ice cream, donuts, bagels, Admins, parties, massages, and flowers for staff. I did see a several thousand dollar football uniform purchase at Oakton, the security cameras at Fairfax, and a few other things. But, I really had to look.
I am pulling the records on the $1000+ faculty golf outing down at Mt. Vernon next. I still don't have the names on the Nationals tickets. I am awaiting the massage contracts, a few Admins, and a couple of other pricey things. I would like to pull a lot more receipts and credit card statements, but this is huge. I am also ordering the basic accounting data on the final 11 schools.
I suggest everybody start pulling records on these accounts and start asking some questions.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 19, 2014 10:31AM
The parking tickets.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 10:35AM
The Nats tickets. Have at it. I still don't have names.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 19, 2014 11:36AM
This is funded by payments from the ECA to a group account, from which the payments are made.
This is the principal's retreat for this year.
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This is the principal's retreat for this year.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 11:39AM
These are the guidelines for the slush fund.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 11:47AM
Good times at Westfield.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 11:50AM
Two Langley admins.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 11:53AM
An example of a particularly robust ECA account.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 12:21PM
Oakton rocking and rolling.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 12:24PM
You have to dig at the details with Langley. This is mostly generic notations. I did locate the Admins.
Feel free to jump in!
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Feel free to jump in!
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 12:28PM
You have to work at it at SoCo, also.
Any other requests?
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Any other requests?
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 19, 2014 12:34PM
This is the expanded version on McLean. Picks up this last year.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 19, 2014 09:33PM
Home of the $1500 bill for ice cream, two Admins, and the Nats tickets. Along with the $995 of Whoopie Pies, etc..
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 19, 2014 09:37PM
If you look closely, you will see the massages, Pay Day fruit, the Soup Club, and lunch at Westwood Country Club.
I certainly don't want anybody to feel singled out.
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I certainly don't want anybody to feel singled out.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 19, 2014 09:47PM
Uno mas.
Home of the $1700 Zinga bill, the $7000 in food in September 2013, some interesting massage therapy bills, and some other fun stuff that is still being worked out. But, when you are getting 25 grand off of Monopoles, hey.
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Home of the $1700 Zinga bill, the $7000 in food in September 2013, some interesting massage therapy bills, and some other fun stuff that is still being worked out. But, when you are getting 25 grand off of Monopoles, hey.
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Posted by:
cantbelieve
()
Date: July 20, 2014 08:18AM
WOW! That's all I can say
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 20, 2014 08:58AM
Home of the taxpayer paid parking tickets.
6/27/2013
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6/27/2013
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 20, 2014 09:02AM
Home of dining at Bazin's. $1500 of coasters. $300 of baby bibs. Charge card statements and receipts that need to be pulled. I located two Admins and am awaiting records on those.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 20, 2014 09:06AM
Lots of credit card statements and receipts needed to be pulled on this.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 20, 2014 09:20AM
About $2000 on flowers, including one $624 purchase on 5/7/2013. $6000 on lanyards and tshirts for staff. $1000 for SGA assistance is noted. 6/18/2013 a conference at The Homestead- $612.72. 6/27/2013 $248.03 for mileage to conference.
I don't know what the Anti-Bullying tshirts are about-I saw others. This ran us $1403.50.
$1300 for Rain Gear.
Looks like something is going on at the Waterford this summer.
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I don't know what the Anti-Bullying tshirts are about-I saw others. This ran us $1403.50.
$1300 for Rain Gear.
Looks like something is going on at the Waterford this summer.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 20, 2014 09:25AM
Security cameras $14,000.
Portfolios-$2900.
A $3000 deal at Harbourtowne in St. Michael's on the Eastern Shore.
$4600 in staff wear and about $4600 on teacher appreciation bags.
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Portfolios-$2900.
A $3000 deal at Harbourtowne in St. Michael's on the Eastern Shore.
$4600 in staff wear and about $4600 on teacher appreciation bags.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 20, 2014 09:30AM
Numerous credit card statements need to be pulled.$282 at McCormick and Schmick. $5400 at Reston Shirt and Graphic. $1600 at Cal Tort.
About $1300 at Charlestown, WV-records are pending.
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About $1300 at Charlestown, WV-records are pending.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 20, 2014 09:34AM
I pulled some credit card statements and found the almost $7000 dropped at St. Germain catering. Lots more credit card statements need to be pulled.
SA cards are the staff charge cards.
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SA cards are the staff charge cards.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 20, 2014 09:44AM
More rocking and rolling at Oakton. The region 6A North $2000 is something to do with activities.
About $15,000++ spent on clothing, planners, etc.
The restaurant bills are staggering. A March Madness lunch for $335.24.
At least $1200 on flowers.
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About $15,000++ spent on clothing, planners, etc.
The restaurant bills are staggering. A March Madness lunch for $335.24.
At least $1200 on flowers.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 20, 2014 09:50AM
Two Admins.
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Posted by:
swampedguvvies!!!!!!
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Date: July 20, 2014 03:46PM
how do they have time to do their real jobs? My God.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 20, 2014 07:43PM
I ordered up some credit card statements on Langley, since their accounting data is so vague.
Add another $500+ onto the Alexandria Admin (Joe Theismann's and Hard Times Café, Bread and Chocolate).
Can anybody spot the trip to Europe?
Lots of nice restaurants on here. Pulcinella, Listranis, Wildfire, Sweetwater...
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Add another $500+ onto the Alexandria Admin (Joe Theismann's and Hard Times Café, Bread and Chocolate).
Can anybody spot the trip to Europe?
Lots of nice restaurants on here. Pulcinella, Listranis, Wildfire, Sweetwater...
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 20, 2014 09:19PM
The McLean Admin to Annapolis.
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Posted by:
Surprise!
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Date: July 21, 2014 07:24AM
Great work, Facts! I went to the FCPS site and saw the generic instructions on the FOIA requests. Give me some more details and I'll join in. This is criminal.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 21, 2014 07:50AM
Surprise! Wrote:
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> Great work, Facts! I went to the FCPS site and saw
> the generic instructions on the FOIA requests.
> Give me some more details and I'll join in. This
> is criminal.
You send an e-mail to Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu. You have to be as specific as you can possibly be. You have the right to go down to the receipts and the names of people who were at restaurants, on trips, etc.
Student issues are privacy protected. There are also some other things that are excluded.
I am trying to just present the facts. However, I will freely say I think paying for parking tickets (those people were parked illegally and they made the personal decision to do that and risk their license-NOT our problem), Nationals tickets, and massages is totally ridiculous. My sentiments on spending hundreds of dollars going out to fancy restaurants, etc. and then sticking us with the bill are not printable. Even on FFU. And I simply don't understand what is wrong with all the real estate we have bought these educators. When you are broke, you have staycations and pack lunch. You don't go checking into a luxury hotel with all the trimmings and hand the taxpayers the bill. If I see one more article about how broke this school system is I think I am going to throw up.
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> Great work, Facts! I went to the FCPS site and saw
> the generic instructions on the FOIA requests.
> Give me some more details and I'll join in. This
> is criminal.
You send an e-mail to Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu. You have to be as specific as you can possibly be. You have the right to go down to the receipts and the names of people who were at restaurants, on trips, etc.
Student issues are privacy protected. There are also some other things that are excluded.
I am trying to just present the facts. However, I will freely say I think paying for parking tickets (those people were parked illegally and they made the personal decision to do that and risk their license-NOT our problem), Nationals tickets, and massages is totally ridiculous. My sentiments on spending hundreds of dollars going out to fancy restaurants, etc. and then sticking us with the bill are not printable. Even on FFU. And I simply don't understand what is wrong with all the real estate we have bought these educators. When you are broke, you have staycations and pack lunch. You don't go checking into a luxury hotel with all the trimmings and hand the taxpayers the bill. If I see one more article about how broke this school system is I think I am going to throw up.
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Posted by:
five years
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Date: July 21, 2014 08:22AM
They are required to retain records for five years following the summer audit. So, you can go back a ways. Virginia has mandatory destruction laws for certain public records. They don't have to keep everything forever and they don't.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 21, 2014 04:56PM
The Nationals tickets were for staff to go to a game. "A retreat."
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 21, 2014 05:03PM
Massage "treats" at TJ. I cannot dignify this with any further discussion.
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Posted by:
where is oversight?
()
Date: July 21, 2014 05:06PM
^Wow. Is the SB seeing all of this? Is there no accountability?
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 21, 2014 05:18PM
A Costco run for "healthy" snacks for staff. Itemized as the "Wellness Program". Are they in trouble for buying too much ice cream?
An Admin 6/21/2013 at Hyatt House. Full breakfast, snacks, beverages, lunch. U-shape seating for 12. A complimentary drop-down video screen, AV cart, wireless Internet. FCPS provided the LCD projector (WE HAVE THOSE!). $1000+. What a deal.
An Admin in Charles Town, WV. Home of the Hollywood Casino. This looks like fun. Dinner at the Final Cut Steak House $545.75. 8 "working" probably steak dinners. I am trying hard to keep a straight face here. About $100 a night for rooms.
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An Admin 6/21/2013 at Hyatt House. Full breakfast, snacks, beverages, lunch. U-shape seating for 12. A complimentary drop-down video screen, AV cart, wireless Internet. FCPS provided the LCD projector (WE HAVE THOSE!). $1000+. What a deal.
An Admin in Charles Town, WV. Home of the Hollywood Casino. This looks like fun. Dinner at the Final Cut Steak House $545.75. 8 "working" probably steak dinners. I am trying hard to keep a straight face here. About $100 a night for rooms.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: July 21, 2014 05:18PM
A Costco run for "healthy" snacks for staff. Itemized as the "Wellness Program". Are they in trouble for buying too much ice cream?
An Admin 6/21/2013 at Hyatt House. Full breakfast, snacks, beverages, lunch. U-shape seating for 12. A complimentary drop-down video screen, AV cart, wireless Internet. FCPS provided the LCD projector (WE HAVE THOSE!). $1000+. What a deal.
An Admin in Charles Town, WV. Home of the Hollywood Casino. This looks like fun. Dinner at the Final Cut Steak House $545.75. 8 "working" probably steak dinners. I am trying hard to keep a straight face here. About $100 a night for rooms.
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An Admin 6/21/2013 at Hyatt House. Full breakfast, snacks, beverages, lunch. U-shape seating for 12. A complimentary drop-down video screen, AV cart, wireless Internet. FCPS provided the LCD projector (WE HAVE THOSE!). $1000+. What a deal.
An Admin in Charles Town, WV. Home of the Hollywood Casino. This looks like fun. Dinner at the Final Cut Steak House $545.75. 8 "working" probably steak dinners. I am trying hard to keep a straight face here. About $100 a night for rooms.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 21, 2014 05:40PM
where is oversight? Wrote:
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> ^Wow. Is the SB seeing all of this? Is there no
> accountability?
Patty Reed is my School Board contact. I send some of it to her.
You folks are more than welcome to take this up with Dr. Garza and the School Board.
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> ^Wow. Is the SB seeing all of this? Is there no
> accountability?
Patty Reed is my School Board contact. I send some of it to her.
You folks are more than welcome to take this up with Dr. Garza and the School Board.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 21, 2014 05:40PM
where is oversight? Wrote:
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> ^Wow. Is the SB seeing all of this? Is there no
> accountability?
Patty Reed is my School Board contact. I send some of it to her.
You folks are more than welcome to take this up with Dr. Garza and the School Board.
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> ^Wow. Is the SB seeing all of this? Is there no
> accountability?
Patty Reed is my School Board contact. I send some of it to her.
You folks are more than welcome to take this up with Dr. Garza and the School Board.
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Posted by:
conjecture
()
Date: July 21, 2014 06:52PM
the facts Wrote:
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> Massage "treats" at TJ. I cannot dignify this with
> any further discussion.
I am only surmising that the massages were done while they were on FCPS time, adding insult to injury. Was the masseuse an hourly teacher who also does massages?
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> Massage "treats" at TJ. I cannot dignify this with
> any further discussion.
I am only surmising that the massages were done while they were on FCPS time, adding insult to injury. Was the masseuse an hourly teacher who also does massages?
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Posted by:
#$%#^&
()
Date: July 21, 2014 07:49PM
the facts Wrote:
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> The Nationals tickets were for staff to go to a
> game. "A retreat."
THIS IS BULLSHIT.
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> The Nationals tickets were for staff to go to a
> game. "A retreat."
THIS IS BULLSHIT.
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Posted by:
LAKE HOUSE FOR RENT
()
Date: July 22, 2014 07:54AM
I have a house at Deep Creek Lake that I would be willing to rent out for an FCPS "retreat". 10 bedrooms, dock, two jet skis, pontoon boat, granite, stainless, hardwood. The works.
anybody know who I would contact?
anybody know who I would contact?
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Posted by:
brenda.p
()
Date: July 22, 2014 04:35PM
Found any mani-pedis?
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 22, 2014 05:47PM
Another Admin this summer. I have records coming on a $2750 Admin last summer out at Landsdowne for this school.
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Posted by:
F&?@Me!
()
Date: July 22, 2014 11:22PM
the facts Wrote:
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> The McLean Admin to Annapolis.
The sons o' bitches didn't even have the common sense to keep the money in Virginia so the taxes could support Virginia public schools.
Idiots all. But can they even be fired?
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> The McLean Admin to Annapolis.
The sons o' bitches didn't even have the common sense to keep the money in Virginia so the taxes could support Virginia public schools.
Idiots all. But can they even be fired?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
johnb
()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:10AM
The principals went to Maryland, also.
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Posted by:
sarahver.
()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:50AM
When are they going to Costco, Dunkin', etc.? While they are on the clock?
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Posted by:
the facts-more massages
()
Date: July 23, 2014 04:18PM
conjecture Wrote:
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> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Massage "treats" at TJ. I cannot dignify this
> with
> > any further discussion.
>
>
> I am only surmising that the massages were done
> while they were on FCPS time, adding insult to
> injury. Was the masseuse an hourly teacher who
> also does massages?
I don't have the slightest idea. Call up Mr. Glazer and ask him.
More massages for staff. They were chalked up to Mental Health Awareness Week. I am not making this up.
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> the facts Wrote:
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> > Massage "treats" at TJ. I cannot dignify this
> with
> > any further discussion.
>
>
> I am only surmising that the massages were done
> while they were on FCPS time, adding insult to
> injury. Was the masseuse an hourly teacher who
> also does massages?
I don't have the slightest idea. Call up Mr. Glazer and ask him.
More massages for staff. They were chalked up to Mental Health Awareness Week. I am not making this up.
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Posted by:
LBmommode
()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:00PM
That day was a teacher workday at Lake Braddock.
http://www.calendarwiz.com/calendars/calendar.php?crd=lbsscalendar&op=cal&month=4&year=2013
Why should we pay at least $750 for someone to come from DC, Falls Church, and Burke to give FCPS teachers massages on a teacher workday?
The list of purchases at the school level on this thread makes me sick.
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Why should we pay at least $750 for someone to come from DC, Falls Church, and Burke to give FCPS teachers massages on a teacher workday?
The list of purchases at the school level on this thread makes me sick.
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Posted by:
good catch LB mom
()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:08PM
So that is what they do on planning days! I thought they had meetings, graded papers, did lesson plans.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 23, 2014 07:39PM
I very recently sent the information on the Nats tickets, the parking tickets, and the massages to Patty Reed.
I had already sent her a lot of stuff on the swanky restaurants, etc. The Admins just came up in the last month or so.
I suppose you all could take your school printouts to the first PTA meeting in the fall and ask your principals for some explanations on why there are $700 dinners at fine restaurants, $3000 breakfasts, massages, Nats tickets (a retreat?), etc. on these reports. They used money you gave them to buy this stuff. You pay their salaries. They work for you. They owe all of you some explanations.
I just ordered up the final 11 schools. I am still checking out a lot of stuff from the first 14. I won't be able to pull all the receipts and credit card statements. Feel free to jump in! It is easy to do. Many hands make light work.
I had already sent her a lot of stuff on the swanky restaurants, etc. The Admins just came up in the last month or so.
I suppose you all could take your school printouts to the first PTA meeting in the fall and ask your principals for some explanations on why there are $700 dinners at fine restaurants, $3000 breakfasts, massages, Nats tickets (a retreat?), etc. on these reports. They used money you gave them to buy this stuff. You pay their salaries. They work for you. They owe all of you some explanations.
I just ordered up the final 11 schools. I am still checking out a lot of stuff from the first 14. I won't be able to pull all the receipts and credit card statements. Feel free to jump in! It is easy to do. Many hands make light work.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Surprise!
()
Date: July 23, 2014 08:50PM
I'm in for getting the dish on SoCo.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 23, 2014 09:32PM
Surprise! Wrote:
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> I'm in for getting the dish on SoCo.
Go right ahead. They need a LOT of credit card statements pulled. Then, based on those, you go on to the receipts. There are typically several credit cards that the staff can use. SA 1,2,3,4,5.... There is written information available regarding who is allowed to use each card. You can also pull that. There are also supposed to be some logs kept. You can go back up to five years, remember.
I have had my hands full with the others.
I think there needs to be more specific limits set on how to use this fund, other than whatever the principal feels is necessary and proper. That doesn't seem to be working very well. I am sure Pulcinella, Santini's, Artie's, Maggiano's, Morton's, Capital Grille, etc. would miss some of the FCPS business.
But, I am trying to just stick to the facts. The people have the right to know.
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> I'm in for getting the dish on SoCo.
Go right ahead. They need a LOT of credit card statements pulled. Then, based on those, you go on to the receipts. There are typically several credit cards that the staff can use. SA 1,2,3,4,5.... There is written information available regarding who is allowed to use each card. You can also pull that. There are also supposed to be some logs kept. You can go back up to five years, remember.
I have had my hands full with the others.
I think there needs to be more specific limits set on how to use this fund, other than whatever the principal feels is necessary and proper. That doesn't seem to be working very well. I am sure Pulcinella, Santini's, Artie's, Maggiano's, Morton's, Capital Grille, etc. would miss some of the FCPS business.
But, I am trying to just stick to the facts. The people have the right to know.
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Posted by:
FCPS reg.
()
Date: July 24, 2014 09:17AM
Local and non-local travel, per diem, mileage information. $11.50 for a meal associated with required attendance at a function outside of regular hours, no meals for attending local conference etc. unless they are charged for it, etc. Back-to-school night is treated differently.
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Posted by:
FCPS Notice
()
Date: July 24, 2014 09:49AM
These are the salary supplements for this upcoming school year. The football coaches receive between $5000-$7000 approx., the high school Band teachers and Yearbook advisers receive $4200, etc. etc. etc. Supposedly if you receive a salary supplement you are not eligible for per diem if you have to do things outside of regular hours. At least, that is what the travel regulation says.
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Posted by:
FCPS reg.
()
Date: July 24, 2014 10:05AM
Page 38. Gifts are to be purchased from a club, faculty, or staff account. The ECA is being used as a staff and faculty account. The title of this fund is the Educational Contingency Account, and the staff members don't seem to be contributing anything.
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Posted by:
FCPS reg.
()
Date: July 24, 2014 10:11AM
Directions for Sunshine Funds. Newly redone this year.
There are a lot of clarifications that need to be done.
Are Nats tickets, massages, beach towels, meals, snacks, golf outings, clothing, considered gifts? I can only imagine what parking tickets are considered. That is really a Legal issue.
The bereavement flowers certainly fall in this category. So do retirement gifts. That is very clear.
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There are a lot of clarifications that need to be done.
Are Nats tickets, massages, beach towels, meals, snacks, golf outings, clothing, considered gifts? I can only imagine what parking tickets are considered. That is really a Legal issue.
The bereavement flowers certainly fall in this category. So do retirement gifts. That is very clear.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 24, 2014 04:14PM
Another lovely Admin. We even had to pay a resort fee.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 24, 2014 04:18PM
Educational conference at Harvard for three people, it looks like. Registration $3450, plane tickets $1000 or so, hotels at $200+ a night, and I am sure they did not eat cheap. I have no idea if all of this came out of the ECA or if it was a combination of funds.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 24, 2014 06:03PM
the facts Wrote:
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> Another lovely Admin. We even had to pay a resort
> fee.
Madison Admin addendum-
According to reservation services at Lansdowne, Room 601 is a deluxe suite with a wet bar, two balconies, King bed, Living room. Hence the huge price tag compared to the others.
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> Another lovely Admin. We even had to pay a resort
> fee.
Madison Admin addendum-
According to reservation services at Lansdowne, Room 601 is a deluxe suite with a wet bar, two balconies, King bed, Living room. Hence the huge price tag compared to the others.
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Posted by:
Wow..
()
Date: July 24, 2014 10:41PM
the facts Wrote:
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> Educational conference at Harvard for three
> people, it looks like. Registration $3450, plane
> tickets $1000 or so, hotels at $200+ a night, and
> I am sure they did not eat cheap. I have no idea
> if all of this came out of the ECA or if it was a
> combination of funds.
FCPS handwritten purchase orders - seriously? How fucking world class is that. This shit is shameful. These retreats and conferences went out 10 years ago in commercial businesses.
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> Educational conference at Harvard for three
> people, it looks like. Registration $3450, plane
> tickets $1000 or so, hotels at $200+ a night, and
> I am sure they did not eat cheap. I have no idea
> if all of this came out of the ECA or if it was a
> combination of funds.
FCPS handwritten purchase orders - seriously? How fucking world class is that. This shit is shameful. These retreats and conferences went out 10 years ago in commercial businesses.
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Posted by:
madmom
()
Date: July 25, 2014 03:58PM
I don't really care about the orders being done by hand or in a computer.
I care about that I am worrying about how many kids are in my children's classrooms, and these people are out buying $70 steak dinners and luxury suites and getting massages and we are paying for it.
What happened to the GSA limits when traveling and why are they doing what are basically meetings that could be done in a local school building? Why are they tallying up all these expensive local restaurant bills? They aren't entitled to those.
I care about that I am worrying about how many kids are in my children's classrooms, and these people are out buying $70 steak dinners and luxury suites and getting massages and we are paying for it.
What happened to the GSA limits when traveling and why are they doing what are basically meetings that could be done in a local school building? Why are they tallying up all these expensive local restaurant bills? They aren't entitled to those.
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Posted by:
beaglelover
()
Date: July 26, 2014 08:36AM
I took at look at the school regulations on the meals that Facts put out. I am not an expert on this, but it looks like the only local meal reimbursement is the $11.50 for a required activity outside of regular working hours, either that or they can claim mileage (so they can drive home and cook their own damn dinner). And only if they aren't paid that supplement.
If they are attending a local or non-local seminar or training etc. and they are charged for a meal as part of that, they are reimbursed actual cost. With a receipt. If they are traveling out of town, NO CREDIT CARDS ARE TO BE USED FOR MEALS. They are paid perdiem or paid off of actual receipts if they are charged as part of a conference.
So, does anybody understand why we are paying hundreds of dollars on local and non-local restaurant meals?
It seems to reason that there shouldn't be any restaurant charges on the school credit cards. So why are there so many????????????????
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If they are attending a local or non-local seminar or training etc. and they are charged for a meal as part of that, they are reimbursed actual cost. With a receipt. If they are traveling out of town, NO CREDIT CARDS ARE TO BE USED FOR MEALS. They are paid perdiem or paid off of actual receipts if they are charged as part of a conference.
So, does anybody understand why we are paying hundreds of dollars on local and non-local restaurant meals?
It seems to reason that there shouldn't be any restaurant charges on the school credit cards. So why are there so many????????????????
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
YouTube.lover
()
Date: July 26, 2014 02:31PM
This is misuse of public funds. Take the credit cards away from them.
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Posted by:
Forestvale78
()
Date: July 26, 2014 11:34PM
the facts Wrote:
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> Educational conference at Harvard for three
> people, it looks like. Registration $3450, plane
> tickets $1000 or so, hotels at $200+ a night, and
> I am sure they did not eat cheap. I have no idea
> if all of this came out of the ECA or if it was a
> combination of funds.
hold on. why are the names of the staff from oakton hs who went to harvard blacked out?
they are public employees, paid with taxpayer money!! then they use more money from taxpayers to go on boondoogles and cover up who went??
seems like a few schools have shown up more than others. oakton is one of them.
what the hell is going on?? who is minding the money??
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> Educational conference at Harvard for three
> people, it looks like. Registration $3450, plane
> tickets $1000 or so, hotels at $200+ a night, and
> I am sure they did not eat cheap. I have no idea
> if all of this came out of the ECA or if it was a
> combination of funds.
hold on. why are the names of the staff from oakton hs who went to harvard blacked out?
they are public employees, paid with taxpayer money!! then they use more money from taxpayers to go on boondoogles and cover up who went??
seems like a few schools have shown up more than others. oakton is one of them.
what the hell is going on?? who is minding the money??
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Posted by:
Mark Merrell
()
Date: July 27, 2014 03:19AM
Forestvale78 Wrote:
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> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Educational conference at Harvard for three
> > people, it looks like. Registration $3450,
> plane
> > tickets $1000 or so, hotels at $200+ a night,
> and
> > I am sure they did not eat cheap. I have no
> idea
> > if all of this came out of the ECA or if it was
> a
> > combination of funds.
>
>
> hold on. why are the names of the staff from
> oakton hs who went to harvard blacked out?
> they are public employees, paid with taxpayer
> money!! then they use more money from taxpayers to
> go on boondoogles and cover up who went??
>
>
> seems like a few schools have shown up more than
> others. oakton is one of them.
> what the hell is going on?? who is minding the
> money??
Oakton and Madison parents have money. They are and will remain happy until each of their little snowflakes don't get into UVA, etc.
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> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Educational conference at Harvard for three
> > people, it looks like. Registration $3450,
> plane
> > tickets $1000 or so, hotels at $200+ a night,
> and
> > I am sure they did not eat cheap. I have no
> idea
> > if all of this came out of the ECA or if it was
> a
> > combination of funds.
>
>
> hold on. why are the names of the staff from
> oakton hs who went to harvard blacked out?
> they are public employees, paid with taxpayer
> money!! then they use more money from taxpayers to
> go on boondoogles and cover up who went??
>
>
> seems like a few schools have shown up more than
> others. oakton is one of them.
> what the hell is going on?? who is minding the
> money??
Oakton and Madison parents have money. They are and will remain happy until each of their little snowflakes don't get into UVA, etc.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 27, 2014 09:10AM
The Oakton names were Eddy, Waxman, and Taylor. At least, that is what was on the ECA report for 2013. The names should NOT have been blacked out on the reports as I specifically asked who went and yes this is public information. At least they were doing something besides checking into a swanky essentially local hotel like the other Admins. (Madison spent about $600 on that one deluxe suite at Lansdowne, for example. Did you see the charges for room 601?) I am not passing judgment on this particular situation. I am just putting out The Facts. This school system is obviously NOT broke, they are NOT hurting for money, and "everything is on the table". If they are cutting services for children, should the adults tighten their belts, also?
I pulled the 14 schools with the highest demographics first. Mclean, Langley, Oakton, Madison, and all the others. Every single school will have their ECA information posted here and all will be highlighted for examples. Equal Opportunity!!!!!!!!! No singling out!!!!!!!!!!!!
I pulled the 14 schools with the highest demographics first. Mclean, Langley, Oakton, Madison, and all the others. Every single school will have their ECA information posted here and all will be highlighted for examples. Equal Opportunity!!!!!!!!! No singling out!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by:
Jasper
()
Date: July 27, 2014 11:03AM
Equal Oppourtunity? well Barbara, since you are listing names, should you list your own Barbara Brown. Why not use your own name Barbara Brown?
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 28, 2014 05:40PM
Here is another Admin in lovely St. Michaels, Maryland on the Eastern Shore. Looks like it came with a Sunset Cruise.
At least $3000.
Paid for with public dollars, of course.
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At least $3000.
Paid for with public dollars, of course.
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Posted by:
the facts-picures!
()
Date: July 28, 2014 06:14PM
Hopefully this will work. Just lovely.
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Posted by:
the facts-pictures
()
Date: July 28, 2014 06:16PM
it works-open it and click on home
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Posted by:
iliad&odyssey
()
Date: July 29, 2014 12:06PM
the facts Wrote:
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> Here is another Admin in lovely St. Michaels,
> Maryland on the Eastern Shore. Looks like it came
> with a Sunset Cruise.
>
> At least $3000.
>
> Paid for with public dollars, of course.
Our Principal at Fairfax went on a retreat and cruise at St. Michaels with his staff?
I can't even afford to take my wife there. Doesn't someone have to approve if the Principal spends money on himself?
Of course if we complain our kids will be targeted so no parents will put their kids through more trouble than they already experience. I can't imagine the Fairfax teachers will complain either because of the same reason. It's tragic because this is sickening.
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> Here is another Admin in lovely St. Michaels,
> Maryland on the Eastern Shore. Looks like it came
> with a Sunset Cruise.
>
> At least $3000.
>
> Paid for with public dollars, of course.
Our Principal at Fairfax went on a retreat and cruise at St. Michaels with his staff?
I can't even afford to take my wife there. Doesn't someone have to approve if the Principal spends money on himself?
Of course if we complain our kids will be targeted so no parents will put their kids through more trouble than they already experience. I can't imagine the Fairfax teachers will complain either because of the same reason. It's tragic because this is sickening.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 29, 2014 07:20PM
Yeh the cruise was a nice touch. It was probably just out on the Bay, but still...
I personally thought the 600 smackers spent on the one bedroom suite at Lansdowne took the cake. That was for the Madison principal. They probably all needed a place to congregate!
Couldn't they congregate in a lecture hall in a school and save the money? How much time do you have to congregate when we are also paying through the nose for dinner and breakfast for them? Between that and sleep and a shower and a shave, most of the hours are taken.
I am trying to stick to the facts but iliadandodyssey made my day.
So we are up to tickets to the Nationals, staff parking tickets that we pay for out of public funds, massages, multiple Admins/retreats/vacations whatever you want to call them, meals at multiple fine restaurants, catered breakfasts and luncheons and God knows what else, clothing for 300 staff members per school, beach bags and towels for 300 (McLean, remember?), staff golf outings....and a partridge in a pear tree.
I personally thought the 600 smackers spent on the one bedroom suite at Lansdowne took the cake. That was for the Madison principal. They probably all needed a place to congregate!
Couldn't they congregate in a lecture hall in a school and save the money? How much time do you have to congregate when we are also paying through the nose for dinner and breakfast for them? Between that and sleep and a shower and a shave, most of the hours are taken.
I am trying to stick to the facts but iliadandodyssey made my day.
So we are up to tickets to the Nationals, staff parking tickets that we pay for out of public funds, massages, multiple Admins/retreats/vacations whatever you want to call them, meals at multiple fine restaurants, catered breakfasts and luncheons and God knows what else, clothing for 300 staff members per school, beach bags and towels for 300 (McLean, remember?), staff golf outings....and a partridge in a pear tree.
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Posted by:
Concerned FCPS parent
()
Date: July 29, 2014 08:29PM
The FHS faculty has asked human resources and the school board to investigate the financial spending at Fairfax High School. 18 teachers and the principal went to Seattle for an all expenses paid conference while budgets were being cut.The Principal has been organizing a second trip to the Mid-West this August once again all expenses paid: including flight, meals and hotel. Why isn't this being investigated? There has also been other questions regarding spending.
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Posted by:
iliad&odyssey
()
Date: July 29, 2014 10:40PM
Concerned FCPS parent Wrote:
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> The FHS faculty has asked human resources and the
> school board to investigate the financial spending
> at Fairfax High School. 18 teachers and the
> principal went to Seattle for an all expenses paid
> conference while budgets were being cut.The
> Principal has been organizing a second trip to the
> Mid-West this August once again all expenses paid:
> including flight, meals and hotel. Why isn't this
> being investigated? There has also been other
> questions regarding spending.
Goldfarb better not be going to Seattle on a boondoggle. His keister is already in a sling with parents at Fairfax and, I get the sense, some teachers.
If this is really happening what can be done to stop it and get someone in FCPS paying attention to what is going on at the school?
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> The FHS faculty has asked human resources and the
> school board to investigate the financial spending
> at Fairfax High School. 18 teachers and the
> principal went to Seattle for an all expenses paid
> conference while budgets were being cut.The
> Principal has been organizing a second trip to the
> Mid-West this August once again all expenses paid:
> including flight, meals and hotel. Why isn't this
> being investigated? There has also been other
> questions regarding spending.
Goldfarb better not be going to Seattle on a boondoggle. His keister is already in a sling with parents at Fairfax and, I get the sense, some teachers.
If this is really happening what can be done to stop it and get someone in FCPS paying attention to what is going on at the school?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Surprise
()
Date: July 29, 2014 10:57PM
Again, great work by the Facts! Kudos to you for taking on this massive undertaking. It's not an easy task. Thank you.
And iliad&Odyssey - you are so correct in pointing out what happens if you make complaints in FCPS. Tragic AND criminal. Our tax dollars at work. Makes me sick to think of the systemic corruption that occurs.
And iliad&Odyssey - you are so correct in pointing out what happens if you make complaints in FCPS. Tragic AND criminal. Our tax dollars at work. Makes me sick to think of the systemic corruption that occurs.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-MoCo
()
Date: July 30, 2014 07:25AM
I am skimming the headlines and see that MoCo School Board voted to give up their county credit cards due to improper charges and other problems.
Taking away the credit cards, giving people strict guidelines and limits on what is necessary/appropriate/proper (since nobody has a clue), having them pay out of their own pocket and then submit for reimbursement-a powerful incentive to cut frivolous spending. I thought from the very beginning of government plastic that it was a really bad idea. This is what happens. Once the money is pledged, it is very difficult to recoup it from the person who put the plastic down.
But, there are also problems with the purchase orders and checks issued. Incredibly bad judgment all over. You shouldn't have to be told to not pay personal parking tickets or buy Nationals tickets out of public funds. A baseball game retreat my eye.
Taking away the credit cards, giving people strict guidelines and limits on what is necessary/appropriate/proper (since nobody has a clue), having them pay out of their own pocket and then submit for reimbursement-a powerful incentive to cut frivolous spending. I thought from the very beginning of government plastic that it was a really bad idea. This is what happens. Once the money is pledged, it is very difficult to recoup it from the person who put the plastic down.
But, there are also problems with the purchase orders and checks issued. Incredibly bad judgment all over. You shouldn't have to be told to not pay personal parking tickets or buy Nationals tickets out of public funds. A baseball game retreat my eye.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Local Media?
()
Date: July 30, 2014 07:44AM
Have any local media--Washington Post, TV news stations, radio stations--picked up this story? If not, does anyone know someone with whom to bring it up?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 30, 2014 08:14AM
Shapiro from the Post knows all about it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Local Media?
()
Date: July 30, 2014 08:23AM
the facts Wrote:
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> Shapiro from the Post knows all about it.
Is the Post inclined to do a story, or is it a political matter? Thank you for your hard work on this. Seems like you are filling a void left by the local media.
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> Shapiro from the Post knows all about it.
Is the Post inclined to do a story, or is it a political matter? Thank you for your hard work on this. Seems like you are filling a void left by the local media.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
question for the facts
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:28AM
WAIT WAIT WAIT. I have not nearly looked at all these posts. But people seem to be conflating two issues. This is NOT taxpayer money. It is optional parking fees, parents are NOT obligated to pay these. And fees from use of buildings and vending machines...ALSO optional. I have no problem giving principals some flexibility to try to keep their staff, who are underpaid and overworked, lunches on work days, end of year get togethers and awards, and pay for educational conferences for them to attend which benefit our students. Of course, there are some who will abuse, and the fact that they have to account for where the money goes should suggest they are not trying to hide anything. Some of these staff have had students commit suicide. Do you thing they might need mental health services? I have no problem looking at the statements, but the rush to judgement that our dedicated public servants are mis-using tax dollars is not factually correct.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:46AM
I don't have a problem with some of this. It doesn't matter if some of this is optional. Some of this money isn't. These are still PUBLIC dollars, and you can't do things like pay personal expenses out of public dollars. You should also exercise restraint. This money is under the umbrella of the School Board, no matter what.
I don't think they are entitled to lunches on workdays. That is a personal expense. You are talking government, NOT private industry. It looks like the only thing they are supposed to be getting is the $11.50 for a meal if they are required to work outside of normal working hours, and only if they don't receive a supplemental salary because they do this kind of work. I have seen this in other school system audits. This is nothing new or unique. There is also any required meal at a local conference. That is reimbursable. Just because you want to go out to eat with some of the staff is not a justification for use of public dollars. There are also GSA guidelines for out of town travel.
The general current practice seems to be to go to a swanky place and put it on the school plastic.
MoCo School Board completely re-did their guidelines on some of this stuff.
I am trying to stick to putting out the facts, but I think it is pretty obvious what my feelings are on some of this. That is why I am putting out the public record and let the general public start speaking their minds and hold the county officials accountable for their expenditures.
This information is very factually correct and from the feedback I have gotten from dozens of friends, family, neighbors, etc., they are not supportive of most of the expenditures, particularly in view of the budget cuts. They all feel there needs to be more specific guidelines on how to use this money.
I have more reports coming and 11 more schools to go.
I don't think they are entitled to lunches on workdays. That is a personal expense. You are talking government, NOT private industry. It looks like the only thing they are supposed to be getting is the $11.50 for a meal if they are required to work outside of normal working hours, and only if they don't receive a supplemental salary because they do this kind of work. I have seen this in other school system audits. This is nothing new or unique. There is also any required meal at a local conference. That is reimbursable. Just because you want to go out to eat with some of the staff is not a justification for use of public dollars. There are also GSA guidelines for out of town travel.
The general current practice seems to be to go to a swanky place and put it on the school plastic.
MoCo School Board completely re-did their guidelines on some of this stuff.
I am trying to stick to putting out the facts, but I think it is pretty obvious what my feelings are on some of this. That is why I am putting out the public record and let the general public start speaking their minds and hold the county officials accountable for their expenditures.
This information is very factually correct and from the feedback I have gotten from dozens of friends, family, neighbors, etc., they are not supportive of most of the expenditures, particularly in view of the budget cuts. They all feel there needs to be more specific guidelines on how to use this money.
I have more reports coming and 11 more schools to go.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
another look
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:47AM
I don't think using the money the way they have is illegal. But, that doesn't make it right. Taking the administrative staff on a retreat (and they are already paid more than the teachers) seems to be a misuse to me. Lunch for all the staff on a workday? Not so much. However, I would prefer for it to be used for the kids.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
delusional at Gatehouse
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:51AM
^This is about ethics. If I pay a fee to use a public building, should they tell me how that fee will be used (what the fee is for)? I have already paid taxes and I am a member of the "public" and this is a public building. I am assuming that the fee covers cleaning the building, heating, or whatever---things that would be a burden to other taxpayers who are not part of my private group activity. If they tell me that the money went for Nationals tickets for a retreat, should that bother me? Would that make me believe that they have plenty of tax money to cover the maintenance and functioning of the building? It's not so much the fee per se that bothers me. It's the fact that the fee is used for nonessentials and my taxes keep going up.
Is money generated by public officials on public property part of the public domain? Should it be spent in ways that are responsible to the public? Without the publicly funded parking lots, fees would not be possible. Without the publicly funded building, vending machines would not exist. Without the taxes provided by the public, children would not congregate to use the vending machines.
This money paid may be OPTIONAL, but it is being generated by public officials on public property and then given to those officials to use in any way they choose. Does this look correct to you? I suppose the feds could start charging parking fees and taking their vending machine money and letting their agency heads use the money for "retreats" and "restaurant meals and such. How would that be perceived by the taxpayers?
Is money generated by public officials on public property part of the public domain? Should it be spent in ways that are responsible to the public? Without the publicly funded parking lots, fees would not be possible. Without the publicly funded building, vending machines would not exist. Without the taxes provided by the public, children would not congregate to use the vending machines.
This money paid may be OPTIONAL, but it is being generated by public officials on public property and then given to those officials to use in any way they choose. Does this look correct to you? I suppose the feds could start charging parking fees and taking their vending machine money and letting their agency heads use the money for "retreats" and "restaurant meals and such. How would that be perceived by the taxpayers?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:56AM
Some of the usage is probably illegal/in violation of local regulations and a lot of it is unethical and/or smacks of horrible judgment. I am going to leave it at that.
I know these people work very hard, but there needs to be some oversight, accountability, and more specific guidelines. They all chose a government job. They owe the public some explanations. This has gotten out of control.
I know these people work very hard, but there needs to be some oversight, accountability, and more specific guidelines. They all chose a government job. They owe the public some explanations. This has gotten out of control.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 30, 2014 10:00AM
Delusional-
This is public money. It is generated by use of a public building and public land and public property, the money is kept in a public bank account, and no they should not be using it in any way they choose. That is what the principals' personal checking accounts are for.
This is public money. It is generated by use of a public building and public land and public property, the money is kept in a public bank account, and no they should not be using it in any way they choose. That is what the principals' personal checking accounts are for.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
caramba
()
Date: July 30, 2014 10:16AM
All of this blows my mind. We have people who supposedly are "administratively certified" doing stuff like this. Maybe they should have to take a basic course in ethics when they get certified (if that would help at that stage anyway)??? It makes you wonder how they make decisions regarding the students (that are fair and balanced) if they can't figure out that spending money on some of this is unethical? No doubt most of the custodians who could make better decisions. Seriously.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: July 30, 2014 11:24AM
Ethics training is certainly in order, as are more specific guidelines. And oversight.
If you can't grasp that going to Pulcinella, Morton's, George's at the Cove in La Jolla, Artie's, Bazin's, Maggiano's, Listrani, Capital Grille, and all the other places that I saw, and forking over hundreds of public dollars for a meal for whoever just because you think it is a great idea, is completely unethical and inappropriate, you need some serious help. Same with $600 suites, luxury local and non-local "retreats", staff massages, golf outings, $1700 ice cream orders, $400 smoothie deliveries, $200-$400 donut and breakfast runs, $12,000 on staff clothing, thousands of dollars of gifts and flowers for staff, etc.
These people work for the government. It's different than private industry.
If you can't grasp that going to Pulcinella, Morton's, George's at the Cove in La Jolla, Artie's, Bazin's, Maggiano's, Listrani, Capital Grille, and all the other places that I saw, and forking over hundreds of public dollars for a meal for whoever just because you think it is a great idea, is completely unethical and inappropriate, you need some serious help. Same with $600 suites, luxury local and non-local "retreats", staff massages, golf outings, $1700 ice cream orders, $400 smoothie deliveries, $200-$400 donut and breakfast runs, $12,000 on staff clothing, thousands of dollars of gifts and flowers for staff, etc.
These people work for the government. It's different than private industry.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
yep
()
Date: July 30, 2014 11:56AM
100% agree. Apparently they are comparing themselves to hedge fund managers though.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
royalty?????????
()
Date: July 30, 2014 12:56PM
"It's good to be King."
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
drew
()
Date: July 30, 2014 05:42PM
royalty????????? Wrote:
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> "It's good to be King."
Part of running an organization is learning to have effective meetings for 8 people that don't cost $3000.
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> "It's good to be King."
Part of running an organization is learning to have effective meetings for 8 people that don't cost $3000.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
LameNews
()
Date: July 30, 2014 07:20PM
When the Fairfax principals start using money to hire hookers and buy the best coke this side of Medellin for staff parties, let us know. Until then, this is just bullshit stuff that "the facts" wants to bring up. Let's call this what it is; "the facts" has a personal vendetta against the Schools. Only God knows what bullshit, Northern Virginia-only story "the facts" has from the past where some principal or other administrator told this batshit fucking crazy person the word "No." And now fuckheads like "the facts" hound ridiculously for reports that show me things that I could give two shits about. Shirts for the teachers? Who cares. Embezzlement? That would be a problem. Breakfasts for our kids' teachers? Who fucking cares. Flying first class on a school field trip? That would be a problem...
Again, let me know when the high school principals fund sex orgies in their gyms and pay the teachers to make meth in the chemistry labs. Otherwise, Jesus Fuck, please take a visit to schools outside of Fairfax, come back in a year, and tell us then how bad Fairfax Schools really are! Having lived in four different states in my life, it's better than a lot of other places and to think otherwise shows what an immature, ignorant, sheltered cunt you are.
Again, let me know when the high school principals fund sex orgies in their gyms and pay the teachers to make meth in the chemistry labs. Otherwise, Jesus Fuck, please take a visit to schools outside of Fairfax, come back in a year, and tell us then how bad Fairfax Schools really are! Having lived in four different states in my life, it's better than a lot of other places and to think otherwise shows what an immature, ignorant, sheltered cunt you are.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
vendetta???
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:08PM
I agree with LameNews...all this posting from 'the facts' seems like a vendetta. Was their kid denied a parking spot? haha
Seriously, you could argue they could be more thrifty but they aren't breaking laws. Teachers have had pay freezes and no step increases since 2009. Buying them lunches or ice cream is easily justified as morale and welfare. The federal government and military do it all the time. Because they are not paid as much as the private sector. And they have a very high stress job.
Seriously, you could argue they could be more thrifty but they aren't breaking laws. Teachers have had pay freezes and no step increases since 2009. Buying them lunches or ice cream is easily justified as morale and welfare. The federal government and military do it all the time. Because they are not paid as much as the private sector. And they have a very high stress job.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
It's all OK!
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:37PM
See, Fairfax skols are so much betterergooder!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
LAUREN M
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:43PM
iliad&odyssey Wrote:
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> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here is another Admin in lovely St. Michaels,
> > Maryland on the Eastern Shore. Looks like it
> came
> > with a Sunset Cruise.
> >
> > At least $3000.
> >
> > Paid for with public dollars, of course.
>
>
> Our Principal at Fairfax went on a retreat and
> cruise at St. Michaels with his staff?
>
> I can't even afford to take my wife there. Doesn't
> someone have to approve if the Principal spends
> money on himself?
>
>
> Of course if we complain our kids will be targeted
> so no parents will put their kids through more
> trouble than they already experience. I can't
> imagine the Fairfax teachers will complain either
> because of the same reason. It's tragic because
> this is sickening.
You say anything you want. If they give you crap, you dish it right back. What a bunch of wimps. These people sound like greedy idiots.
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> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here is another Admin in lovely St. Michaels,
> > Maryland on the Eastern Shore. Looks like it
> came
> > with a Sunset Cruise.
> >
> > At least $3000.
> >
> > Paid for with public dollars, of course.
>
>
> Our Principal at Fairfax went on a retreat and
> cruise at St. Michaels with his staff?
>
> I can't even afford to take my wife there. Doesn't
> someone have to approve if the Principal spends
> money on himself?
>
>
> Of course if we complain our kids will be targeted
> so no parents will put their kids through more
> trouble than they already experience. I can't
> imagine the Fairfax teachers will complain either
> because of the same reason. It's tragic because
> this is sickening.
You say anything you want. If they give you crap, you dish it right back. What a bunch of wimps. These people sound like greedy idiots.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
how it really goes
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:45PM
LameNews Wrote:
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> When the Fairfax principals start using money to
> hire hookers and buy the best coke this side of
> Medellin for staff parties, let us know. Until
> then, this is just bullshit stuff that "the facts"
> wants to bring up. Let's call this what it is;
> "the facts" has a personal vendetta against the
> Schools. Only God knows what bullshit, Northern
> Virginia-only story "the facts" has from the past
> where some principal or other administrator told
> this batshit fucking crazy person the word "No."
> And now fuckheads like "the facts" hound
> ridiculously for reports that show me things that
> I could give two shits about. Shirts for the
> teachers? Who cares. Embezzlement? That would
> be a problem. Breakfasts for our kids' teachers?
> Who fucking cares. Flying first class on a school
> field trip? That would be a problem...
>
> Again, let me know when the high school principals
> fund sex orgies in their gyms and pay the teachers
> to make meth in the chemistry labs. Otherwise,
> Jesus Fuck, please take a visit to schools outside
> of Fairfax, come back in a year, and tell us then
> how bad Fairfax Schools really are! Having lived
> in four different states in my life, it's better
> than a lot of other places and to think otherwise
> shows what an immature, ignorant, sheltered cunt
> you are.
So what school do you work at? This is all unethical and improper. I worked at a school and the principal used all these little perks to compensate for being a shitty administrator. I actually heard him say several times after the students got out early for the day for everybody to take the rest of day off. For the same reason all the free lunches, Ice cream parties etc. etc. was that no one was getting raises and to try to make the troops happy, which they never were anyway. I could see the owner of a company saying since there are no raises thus year just take some afternoons off even though we are paying your salaries.....not
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> When the Fairfax principals start using money to
> hire hookers and buy the best coke this side of
> Medellin for staff parties, let us know. Until
> then, this is just bullshit stuff that "the facts"
> wants to bring up. Let's call this what it is;
> "the facts" has a personal vendetta against the
> Schools. Only God knows what bullshit, Northern
> Virginia-only story "the facts" has from the past
> where some principal or other administrator told
> this batshit fucking crazy person the word "No."
> And now fuckheads like "the facts" hound
> ridiculously for reports that show me things that
> I could give two shits about. Shirts for the
> teachers? Who cares. Embezzlement? That would
> be a problem. Breakfasts for our kids' teachers?
> Who fucking cares. Flying first class on a school
> field trip? That would be a problem...
>
> Again, let me know when the high school principals
> fund sex orgies in their gyms and pay the teachers
> to make meth in the chemistry labs. Otherwise,
> Jesus Fuck, please take a visit to schools outside
> of Fairfax, come back in a year, and tell us then
> how bad Fairfax Schools really are! Having lived
> in four different states in my life, it's better
> than a lot of other places and to think otherwise
> shows what an immature, ignorant, sheltered cunt
> you are.
So what school do you work at? This is all unethical and improper. I worked at a school and the principal used all these little perks to compensate for being a shitty administrator. I actually heard him say several times after the students got out early for the day for everybody to take the rest of day off. For the same reason all the free lunches, Ice cream parties etc. etc. was that no one was getting raises and to try to make the troops happy, which they never were anyway. I could see the owner of a company saying since there are no raises thus year just take some afternoons off even though we are paying your salaries.....not
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
LAUREN M
()
Date: July 30, 2014 09:49PM
You don't have to suck up to these people. They took money that you gave them and spent it on themselves instead of your kid. I would give them Hell.
You can give people the world and they are still going to be unhappy. I see no reason to try and placate them with ice cream and let the administrators eat filet instead of buying things for the kids.
You can give people the world and they are still going to be unhappy. I see no reason to try and placate them with ice cream and let the administrators eat filet instead of buying things for the kids.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
where you get this?
()
Date: July 31, 2014 09:25AM
"The federal government and military do it all the time."
^NOT TRUE AT ALL! We have to pay for EVERYTHING. I can't even take a visiting professor to lunch (unless I pay or he pays). We pay for any lunches, retirements, parties out of our own pockets. There are very strict rules.
It's also dang weird to say that you don't care until the principals start hiring hookers. Wow, you have some pretty high standards for how your tax money is used.
^NOT TRUE AT ALL! We have to pay for EVERYTHING. I can't even take a visiting professor to lunch (unless I pay or he pays). We pay for any lunches, retirements, parties out of our own pockets. There are very strict rules.
It's also dang weird to say that you don't care until the principals start hiring hookers. Wow, you have some pretty high standards for how your tax money is used.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
lack of ethics is a problem
()
Date: July 31, 2014 09:32AM
"So what school do you work at? This is all unethical and improper. I worked at a school and the principal used all these little perks to compensate for being a shitty administrator."
This is a BIG problem. I worked at a school where the administrator went even further---overlooking leave slips for certain favored teachers and letting them take time off. If you weren't a favored teacher, too bad. Of course you could exploit this and threaten blackmail once you found out about the "secret favor" system (and I saw teachers doing that too). I left. The administrator is still there and the atmosphere is pretty bad. This happens with the money spent as well (certain teachers got to go on the junkets and others did not). This is what the lack of regulation and credit cards can lead to. You can't wait until the administrator brings in hookers. It's too late.
Tighten up FCPS!
This is a BIG problem. I worked at a school where the administrator went even further---overlooking leave slips for certain favored teachers and letting them take time off. If you weren't a favored teacher, too bad. Of course you could exploit this and threaten blackmail once you found out about the "secret favor" system (and I saw teachers doing that too). I left. The administrator is still there and the atmosphere is pretty bad. This happens with the money spent as well (certain teachers got to go on the junkets and others did not). This is what the lack of regulation and credit cards can lead to. You can't wait until the administrator brings in hookers. It's too late.
Tighten up FCPS!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
morale boosters
()
Date: July 31, 2014 09:48AM
Funding the classroom---yes.
Giving us a salary scale that means something---yes.
Not wasting our time with insane rules, paperwork, and pointless meetings---yes.
Attempting to understand what we do and helping us to do it----yes, yes, yes.
Ice cream and T shirts----NO.
Having lived in four different states in my life, it's better than a lot of other places and to think otherwise shows what an immature, ignorant, sheltered cunt you are."
I think you just showed what an ignorant, immature person you are.
Giving us a salary scale that means something---yes.
Not wasting our time with insane rules, paperwork, and pointless meetings---yes.
Attempting to understand what we do and helping us to do it----yes, yes, yes.
Ice cream and T shirts----NO.
Having lived in four different states in my life, it's better than a lot of other places and to think otherwise shows what an immature, ignorant, sheltered cunt you are."
I think you just showed what an ignorant, immature person you are.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
truther
()
Date: July 31, 2014 10:03AM
Barbara Brown- the person with all the post on here. Why dont you give your email to everyone like you did for the fcps employee?
How much money/time has been spent pulling this info? I'm sure you can tell us Barbara Brown.
Why do you care if a teacher, janitor or office workers gets an ice cream, t shirt or meal on staff appreciation day. Not from tax money but from optional soda vending and student parking?
How much money/time has been spent pulling this info? I'm sure you can tell us Barbara Brown.
Why do you care if a teacher, janitor or office workers gets an ice cream, t shirt or meal on staff appreciation day. Not from tax money but from optional soda vending and student parking?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Aspinchtersayswhat?
()
Date: July 31, 2014 10:23AM
truther Wrote:
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> Barbara Brown- the person with all the post on
> here. Why dont you give your email to everyone
> like you did for the fcps employee?
>
> How much money/time has been spent pulling this
> info? I'm sure you can tell us Barbara Brown.
>
> Why do you care if a teacher, janitor or office
> workers gets an ice cream, t shirt or meal on
> staff appreciation day. Not from tax money but
> from optional soda vending and student parking?
Hey truther:
Wondering how you know who is posting? The only way you would know who got the information from FCPS from a Freedom of Information request is that you are an FCPS-paid troll.
Another Barbara maybe - Barbara 'my job is to massage the reputation of FCPS' Hunter?
Any tax payer can get this public information legally. If FCPS was really transparent you would just put it online to begin with.
We don't give a crap who's posting it, only FCPS-paid trolls do. Besides you know what happens when you ASSume.
What we do care about is that the teachers don't have the basic supplies for classroom unless they pay for it out of their own pockets or we send it to fill their longer and longer and longer supply lists at the beginning of the year or through out the year because the Principals need to save the money ti make sure they can go to St. Michaels MD, Landsdowne, get massages, buy tee shirts, go to Costco and, I don't know, buy a pony.
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> Barbara Brown- the person with all the post on
> here. Why dont you give your email to everyone
> like you did for the fcps employee?
>
> How much money/time has been spent pulling this
> info? I'm sure you can tell us Barbara Brown.
>
> Why do you care if a teacher, janitor or office
> workers gets an ice cream, t shirt or meal on
> staff appreciation day. Not from tax money but
> from optional soda vending and student parking?
Hey truther:
Wondering how you know who is posting? The only way you would know who got the information from FCPS from a Freedom of Information request is that you are an FCPS-paid troll.
Another Barbara maybe - Barbara 'my job is to massage the reputation of FCPS' Hunter?
Any tax payer can get this public information legally. If FCPS was really transparent you would just put it online to begin with.
We don't give a crap who's posting it, only FCPS-paid trolls do. Besides you know what happens when you ASSume.
What we do care about is that the teachers don't have the basic supplies for classroom unless they pay for it out of their own pockets or we send it to fill their longer and longer and longer supply lists at the beginning of the year or through out the year because the Principals need to save the money ti make sure they can go to St. Michaels MD, Landsdowne, get massages, buy tee shirts, go to Costco and, I don't know, buy a pony.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
agreed
()
Date: July 31, 2014 02:24PM
where you get this? Wrote:
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> "The federal government and military do it all the
> time."
>
>
> ^NOT TRUE AT ALL! We have to pay for EVERYTHING.
> I can't even take a visiting professor to lunch
> (unless I pay or he pays). We pay for any
> lunches, retirements, parties out of our own
> pockets. There are very strict rules.
>
>
> It's also dang weird to say that you don't care
> until the principals start hiring hookers. Wow,
> you have some pretty high standards for how your
> tax money is used.
I agree with this.
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> "The federal government and military do it all the
> time."
>
>
> ^NOT TRUE AT ALL! We have to pay for EVERYTHING.
> I can't even take a visiting professor to lunch
> (unless I pay or he pays). We pay for any
> lunches, retirements, parties out of our own
> pockets. There are very strict rules.
>
>
> It's also dang weird to say that you don't care
> until the principals start hiring hookers. Wow,
> you have some pretty high standards for how your
> tax money is used.
I agree with this.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
I agree
()
Date: July 31, 2014 02:26PM
lack of ethics is a problem Wrote:
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> "So what school do you work at? This is all
> unethical and improper. I worked at a school and
> the principal used all these little perks to
> compensate for being a shitty administrator."
>
>
> This is a BIG problem. I worked at a school where
> the administrator went even further---overlooking
> leave slips for certain favored teachers and
> letting them take time off. If you weren't a
> favored teacher, too bad. Of course you could
> exploit this and threaten blackmail once you found
> out about the "secret favor" system (and I saw
> teachers doing that too). I left. The
> administrator is still there and the atmosphere is
> pretty bad. This happens with the money spent as
> well (certain teachers got to go on the junkets
> and others did not). This is what the lack of
> regulation and credit cards can lead to. You
> can't wait until the administrator brings in
> hookers. It's too late.
>
> Tighten up FCPS!
It has already evolved into an out of control situation.
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> "So what school do you work at? This is all
> unethical and improper. I worked at a school and
> the principal used all these little perks to
> compensate for being a shitty administrator."
>
>
> This is a BIG problem. I worked at a school where
> the administrator went even further---overlooking
> leave slips for certain favored teachers and
> letting them take time off. If you weren't a
> favored teacher, too bad. Of course you could
> exploit this and threaten blackmail once you found
> out about the "secret favor" system (and I saw
> teachers doing that too). I left. The
> administrator is still there and the atmosphere is
> pretty bad. This happens with the money spent as
> well (certain teachers got to go on the junkets
> and others did not). This is what the lack of
> regulation and credit cards can lead to. You
> can't wait until the administrator brings in
> hookers. It's too late.
>
> Tighten up FCPS!
It has already evolved into an out of control situation.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
on horseback!
()
Date: July 31, 2014 05:39PM
Will a principal buy a pony and bring it to school? Sounds good to me.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
GoldSharpie
()
Date: July 31, 2014 08:00PM
School Board Standing Committees
FY 2015
Audit Committee Members:
Ilryong Moon, Chairman; Dan Storck, Jane Strauss
with ^^^^^ not only will nothing change, it'll be like having Oprah for Principal.
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FY 2015
Audit Committee Members:
Ilryong Moon, Chairman; Dan Storck, Jane Strauss
with ^^^^^ not only will nothing change, it'll be like having Oprah for Principal.
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Posted by:
LAUREN M
()
Date: July 31, 2014 08:25PM
Who is going to clean up all the horse manure? New positions will have to be created. It will required multiple layers of Administrators, a retreat at the Gold Cup races every year, dinner at the Inn at Little Washington for the whole gang..................................
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Posted by:
knockout
()
Date: July 31, 2014 11:41PM
LAUREN M Wrote:
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> Who is going to clean up all the horse manure? New
> positions will have to be created. It will
> required multiple layers of Administrators, a
> retreat at the Gold Cup races every year, dinner
> at the Inn at Little Washington for the whole
> gang..................................
For starters, we need to get make sure these people, who have never done anything about it, never ever get re=elected.
Jane Strauss, Dranesville District Representative SINCE 1991!
lryong Moon, Member At Large SINCE 1995!
Kathy Smith, Sully District Representative SINCE 2002!
Other Representatives who do us no favors as useless rubber stamps?
Ted Velkoff, at Large
Ryan McElveen, at Large
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> Who is going to clean up all the horse manure? New
> positions will have to be created. It will
> required multiple layers of Administrators, a
> retreat at the Gold Cup races every year, dinner
> at the Inn at Little Washington for the whole
> gang..................................
For starters, we need to get make sure these people, who have never done anything about it, never ever get re=elected.
Jane Strauss, Dranesville District Representative SINCE 1991!
lryong Moon, Member At Large SINCE 1995!
Kathy Smith, Sully District Representative SINCE 2002!
Other Representatives who do us no favors as useless rubber stamps?
Ted Velkoff, at Large
Ryan McElveen, at Large
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Posted by:
shine more light
()
Date: August 01, 2014 10:08AM
^Do they have credit cards? Who monitors them? MOCO's board just turned in their credit cards.
Are they afraid to do anything for fear that their credit card receipts will be looked at? What gives?
Are they afraid to do anything for fear that their credit card receipts will be looked at? What gives?
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Posted by:
the facts-mvhs golf
()
Date: August 04, 2014 06:59PM
The Mount Vernon HS faculty golf outing in 2012 was NOT $1065.65. The actual invoice reads $1915.65.
We were lucky enough to get a Beat the Heat Special on the Bays. It could have been more.
I am going to put out these documents and leave it at that.
Yeh.
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We were lucky enough to get a Beat the Heat Special on the Bays. It could have been more.
I am going to put out these documents and leave it at that.
Yeh.
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Posted by:
the facts-hayfield
()
Date: August 04, 2014 09:49PM
I have another 11 schools to evaluate.
I will open with Hayfield. Honorable Mention for $12,000 spent over the last year at Shawn's Smokehouse BBQ. A pesticide penalty to the Treasurer of Virginia. Lots and lots of meals and presents and snacks and parties and clothing and embroidery and about $2700 spent on an Admin at the Westin. Etc.
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I will open with Hayfield. Honorable Mention for $12,000 spent over the last year at Shawn's Smokehouse BBQ. A pesticide penalty to the Treasurer of Virginia. Lots and lots of meals and presents and snacks and parties and clothing and embroidery and about $2700 spent on an Admin at the Westin. Etc.
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Posted by:
the facts-wshs
()
Date: August 05, 2014 07:55AM
Almost $10,000 on clothing. Almost $3000 on flowers, some purchases are hundreds of dollars. About $4000 at the Springfield Country Club. Lots of "charges" that need to be evaluated. Plus, the usual assortment of parties and meals. A retreat at Lansdowne that ran over $3300. Etc.
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Posted by:
the facts-Edison
()
Date: August 05, 2014 08:14AM
American BBQ $4082.50, a $3500 retreat, almost $8000 at Sophia's Café, $4200 at Famous Dave's.
"We are broke." "Everything is on the table."
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"We are broke." "Everything is on the table."
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Posted by:
the facts-Falls Church HS
()
Date: August 05, 2014 08:22AM
Thousands on clothing, including about $2500 on "faculty gowns".
If you are an educator, you need to buy a gown to wear at graduations. Out of your own money.
Lots of unexplained "charges", the usual restaurants, etc.
$385 on carnations.
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If you are an educator, you need to buy a gown to wear at graduations. Out of your own money.
Lots of unexplained "charges", the usual restaurants, etc.
$385 on carnations.
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Posted by:
the facts-Stuart
()
Date: August 05, 2014 08:29AM
The usual thousands on parties, meals, clothing, "fireside chat" stuff.
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Posted by:
the robes
()
Date: August 05, 2014 08:45AM
"If you are an educator, you need to buy a gown to wear at graduations. Out of your own money."
My feeling is that wearing a robe in the line should not be mandatory. When I was in PW County, they had a few teachers lead the line in robes (not all). The teachers who had robes (some people buy them when they graduate and keep them) generally chose that duty. There were other duties one could pick for the ceremony. There are ways to save money and this is one way.
My feeling is that wearing a robe in the line should not be mandatory. When I was in PW County, they had a few teachers lead the line in robes (not all). The teachers who had robes (some people buy them when they graduate and keep them) generally chose that duty. There were other duties one could pick for the ceremony. There are ways to save money and this is one way.
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Posted by:
yes890
()
Date: August 05, 2014 09:16AM
the robes Wrote:
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> "If you are an educator, you need to buy a gown to
> wear at graduations. Out of your own money."
>
>
> My feeling is that wearing a robe in the line
> should not be mandatory. When I was in PW County,
> they had a few teachers lead the line in robes
> (not all). The teachers who had robes (some
> people buy them when they graduate and keep them)
> generally chose that duty. There were other
> duties one could pick for the ceremony. There are
> ways to save money and this is one way.
My spouse was an educator. Their PhD attire was an expense they paid for themselves. If you need to wear something like that, it is your expense. They can't expect the public to pay for everything for them. As a professional person and an adult, you have certain things you need to purchase. Like underwear, shoes, clothing, and yes appropriate attire for graduation.
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> "If you are an educator, you need to buy a gown to
> wear at graduations. Out of your own money."
>
>
> My feeling is that wearing a robe in the line
> should not be mandatory. When I was in PW County,
> they had a few teachers lead the line in robes
> (not all). The teachers who had robes (some
> people buy them when they graduate and keep them)
> generally chose that duty. There were other
> duties one could pick for the ceremony. There are
> ways to save money and this is one way.
My spouse was an educator. Their PhD attire was an expense they paid for themselves. If you need to wear something like that, it is your expense. They can't expect the public to pay for everything for them. As a professional person and an adult, you have certain things you need to purchase. Like underwear, shoes, clothing, and yes appropriate attire for graduation.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Zzzzzzzzz
()
Date: August 05, 2014 03:40PM
Yawn. A lot of this is much to do about nothing. Some stupid spending, sure. My question to The Facts would be what incident put you on this vendetta? Kid got a bad grade? School made you pay for a lost textbook? You didn't get hired by the FCPS finance department? Please tell.
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Posted by:
know nothing
()
Date: August 05, 2014 11:12PM
I guess she did not get a refund for a field trip cuz she refused to read the fine print on the form. Or did not understand what "non refundable' means. So feeling slighted she has made it her mission to waste taxpayers money by requesting FOIAs ad nauseum. Her requests have probably created another job at Gatehouse to research all the FOIA requests.
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Posted by:
Zzzzzzzzzz
()
Date: August 05, 2014 11:22PM
But again, I will agree some of the spending habits need to change. Admin retreats and big money dinners should be reined in. Clothes, food, occasional backrubs for teachers are well deserved. However, I would like to do a FOIA request on The Facts to determine the root cause of her mission. My guess is she has a a high school aged kid, and something happened to piss her off. Please tell us the facts behind The Facts.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Tbt
()
Date: August 06, 2014 07:26AM
The fact that these are official records that were audited prove that no one was trying to hide anything. It should be pointed out that many schools have retreats in the school library with Subway sandwiches as the menu. It should also be pointed out the teachers are required to go to graduation after contract hours and that the senior class decides what the garb will be. These posts will not change practice as the spending is not illegal, although the admin trips to posh resorts are definitely questionable! The fact that the poster begrudges teachers receiving Spirit wear T-shirts, a bottle of water, or some food indicates that she does not value them one bit as she lumps those expenditures with Landsdowne. If she says "use of public funds" one more time I think I will retch! Another point, the use of county credit cards helps keep accurate records of what was spent. It is much better to use those rather than to reimburse or write checks when paying for food, drink or trips.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
are you serious?
()
Date: August 06, 2014 08:11AM
If a high school teacher is complaining about going to graduation after contract hours, something is seriously wrong with his/her priorities.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
larger questions
()
Date: August 06, 2014 08:32AM
"I guess she did not get a refund for a field trip cuz she refused to read the fine print on the form. Or did not understand what "non refundable' means. So feeling slighted she has made it her mission to waste taxpayers money by requesting FOIAs ad nauseum. Her requests have probably created another job at Gatehouse to research all the FOIA requests."
I doubt this is about failure to get a field trip refund because she has to pay for these FOIAs and money is clearly not a big problem for this person. I would be interested in knowing how much money she has shelled out so far on these FOIA requests. It has to be in the thousands. Just saying. The person doing them seems to be very cooperative and happy to do them.
I do agree that not all of the money spent seems to have been misused. I think the larger question is how this money should be appropriated and how the accountability for its use should be monitored (because some of it seems fine and some not at all---like the Nationals tickets, posh hotels, etc.). If the principals need money for legitimate purposes, should this money be coming from parking lot fees and soda machines or should the SB give them funds in a more legitimate manner? How is it determined the manner in which the slush fund exists? Who is checking on how much money comes out of the soda machines? I know this all sounds like we aren't trusting, but some schools seem to have a lot more money than others (and does that mean their staff is more deserving of the massages, t-shirts, better food, etc.)? At the end of the day, this is public money and when money is tight (as they said it was last year), it becomes crucial to maintain public trust so that any further increases in taxes will be supported.
Those are the bigger questions. I am sure that 95% of the administrators are trying to do their best with this money. However, it is probably in their own best interests to be protected by some kind of guidelines on this money.
I doubt this is about failure to get a field trip refund because she has to pay for these FOIAs and money is clearly not a big problem for this person. I would be interested in knowing how much money she has shelled out so far on these FOIA requests. It has to be in the thousands. Just saying. The person doing them seems to be very cooperative and happy to do them.
I do agree that not all of the money spent seems to have been misused. I think the larger question is how this money should be appropriated and how the accountability for its use should be monitored (because some of it seems fine and some not at all---like the Nationals tickets, posh hotels, etc.). If the principals need money for legitimate purposes, should this money be coming from parking lot fees and soda machines or should the SB give them funds in a more legitimate manner? How is it determined the manner in which the slush fund exists? Who is checking on how much money comes out of the soda machines? I know this all sounds like we aren't trusting, but some schools seem to have a lot more money than others (and does that mean their staff is more deserving of the massages, t-shirts, better food, etc.)? At the end of the day, this is public money and when money is tight (as they said it was last year), it becomes crucial to maintain public trust so that any further increases in taxes will be supported.
Those are the bigger questions. I am sure that 95% of the administrators are trying to do their best with this money. However, it is probably in their own best interests to be protected by some kind of guidelines on this money.
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Posted by:
nice to do
()
Date: August 06, 2014 08:45AM
"If a high school teacher is complaining about going to graduation after contract hours, something is seriously wrong with his/her priorities."
I believe that graduation is actually written in the contract. It's not "after contract hours". I think the complaint is about spending money on the robes. I know teachers who did not have robes because they weren't required to be bought back in the day, etc. The robe issue is small compared to other stuff out there and it is definitely not in the same league as posh hotels, etc. The robes and sashes can cost hundreds of dollars, but you can find stuff in the $50 range on Ebay (I mean cloth and not plastic). That's what I did. There were only a few for sale there and there are sizes so it's not exactly cheap for a new teacher. The master's sash cost me over $100 new. I think it's nice for the school to get them for teachers if they are required to walk with students. But I bought my own just to avoid the hassle.
I believe that graduation is actually written in the contract. It's not "after contract hours". I think the complaint is about spending money on the robes. I know teachers who did not have robes because they weren't required to be bought back in the day, etc. The robe issue is small compared to other stuff out there and it is definitely not in the same league as posh hotels, etc. The robes and sashes can cost hundreds of dollars, but you can find stuff in the $50 range on Ebay (I mean cloth and not plastic). That's what I did. There were only a few for sale there and there are sizes so it's not exactly cheap for a new teacher. The master's sash cost me over $100 new. I think it's nice for the school to get them for teachers if they are required to walk with students. But I bought my own just to avoid the hassle.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
TBT
()
Date: August 06, 2014 09:10AM
With regard to graduation, my original post did not imply that I or other teachers did not want to go as many of us relish the opportunity to say goodbye to the students whom we have taught. We certainly are not in education in order to get a free gown! I have been to 30 FCPS graduations wearing my own robe and my own master's hood. For the record, there is nothing in the teachers' contract to say he or she must go to graduation. The FCPS regulation is that you serve at the principal's discretion. Thus principlals can require attendance. Many schools rent the garb from companies such as Balfour; they do not buy them outright for those who do not own their own academic regalia. I think this thread is getting caught up in things which are not essential to the discussion such as graduation. I think it was useful to point out that certain schools appear to go way overboard when it comes to administrative perks. Once again, I point out that these are not illegal,otherwise the principals would all be facing charges.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 06, 2014 10:07AM
250 teachers times $100 plus each for robes etc. is an enormous expense for a school to pick up and needs to be looked at. If you are required to wear a uniform for graduation and you are required to be there....I have to buy my uniforms for work.
I knew this all was going on, the newspaper article was not completely accurate (I don't see too many copiers, extra staff, etc. as reported by the school staff, do you?), and this is a great way to get the word out. I think a lot of stuff needs to get looked at here. They are trimming services to the children, increasing workloads for the teachers, while people are checking into Lansdowne and other resorts/hotels for a "retreat", making arrangements for staff massages, spending thousands of dollars on BBQ, going to the country clubs, going to a baseball game on our dime? Right. Something is very wrong with this situation.
The FOIA fees are reasonable and well worth it. More people should do it. I think getting this out to the public is a great thing to do. It's your money! Whoever deals with the FOIA requests can gripe all they want but it is their job, I have a right to the information, and there is nothing anybody can do to anybody who asks for information under FOIA in Virginia. They have a whole department handling this kind of stuff. I don't feel guilty about anything!
If people don't like seeing what they are doing put out for the public, then clean it up. My guess is that some of the gripers are some of the people who have been enjoying massages, etc. on the public dollar and aren't happy about the cat being let out of the bag.
I think a lot of people would have a lot more time to do their jobs if they weren't spending so much time on this kind of stuff. Planning and keeping track of all this is a huge job, let alone dealing with all the meals, huge luncheons, driving down to the baseball game, handing out all the presents and clothing, etc. No wonder they feel strained at doing their primary jobs. TEACHING CHILDREN!
Let the sun shine.
I knew this all was going on, the newspaper article was not completely accurate (I don't see too many copiers, extra staff, etc. as reported by the school staff, do you?), and this is a great way to get the word out. I think a lot of stuff needs to get looked at here. They are trimming services to the children, increasing workloads for the teachers, while people are checking into Lansdowne and other resorts/hotels for a "retreat", making arrangements for staff massages, spending thousands of dollars on BBQ, going to the country clubs, going to a baseball game on our dime? Right. Something is very wrong with this situation.
The FOIA fees are reasonable and well worth it. More people should do it. I think getting this out to the public is a great thing to do. It's your money! Whoever deals with the FOIA requests can gripe all they want but it is their job, I have a right to the information, and there is nothing anybody can do to anybody who asks for information under FOIA in Virginia. They have a whole department handling this kind of stuff. I don't feel guilty about anything!
If people don't like seeing what they are doing put out for the public, then clean it up. My guess is that some of the gripers are some of the people who have been enjoying massages, etc. on the public dollar and aren't happy about the cat being let out of the bag.
I think a lot of people would have a lot more time to do their jobs if they weren't spending so much time on this kind of stuff. Planning and keeping track of all this is a huge job, let alone dealing with all the meals, huge luncheons, driving down to the baseball game, handing out all the presents and clothing, etc. No wonder they feel strained at doing their primary jobs. TEACHING CHILDREN!
Let the sun shine.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 06, 2014 10:41AM
Thousands on clothing, more parties and meals, etc.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 06, 2014 10:44AM
I am going to have to pull details on about $20,000+++ of generic "charges". Oh well.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 06, 2014 10:51AM
Another $3000+ luncheon, all the usual stuff.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 06, 2014 11:04AM
I am going to have to pull a LOT of transactions on this. $6600 on "Personalized Presents".
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 06, 2014 11:09AM
Mt. Vernon. Home of the $1900 golf outing. We have a retreat at Homewood Suites that looks like it was at Arundel Mills (up in Maryland). $2000. I need to pull some more records on this report.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 06, 2014 11:12AM
I am going to have to pull lots of charges on this one, also.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 06, 2014 11:22AM
Oh, and if the usage of the terms "public dollars/money/funds" make you retch, then if you are working for the school system you need to find another job-in a private school. If you are a citizen and it makes you retch, then there is something wrong with you. I am not the one wasting taxpayer money.
Near as I can tell, there shouldn't be many meals on the county credit cards to keep track of, because if you are on per diem, you receive that and pay out of pocket. If you aren't on per diem, you pay for your own meals or pack a brown bag. You work for the government. Oh well. Ditto some of the other expenses.
And I beg to disagree on whether all these expenditures are legal or not. If they are not in compliance with school regulations, which many of them aren't.......
Somebody needs to look at this and make some hard decisions and set some hard limits.
Near as I can tell, there shouldn't be many meals on the county credit cards to keep track of, because if you are on per diem, you receive that and pay out of pocket. If you aren't on per diem, you pay for your own meals or pack a brown bag. You work for the government. Oh well. Ditto some of the other expenses.
And I beg to disagree on whether all these expenditures are legal or not. If they are not in compliance with school regulations, which many of them aren't.......
Somebody needs to look at this and make some hard decisions and set some hard limits.
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Posted by:
lets bring in the media
()
Date: August 06, 2014 12:20PM
I just wish the Washington Post would get a hold of this and run with it, name names, highlight specific illegal spending and interview some boards members why they rubber stamp huge increases in the school budget when this non sense is going on. The Post seems to be interested in much more frivolous government in appropriate behavior
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 06, 2014 08:22PM
I am putting this all out there, and you all can do whatever you want with it. It is all public record, and open season.
If you look at these records, I am not the one wasting county money. $12,000 on BBQ, $3000 "meetings", baseball game "retreats" (we were paying them to work at school while they were at a baseball game), golf outings, massages...
If you look at these records, I am not the one wasting county money. $12,000 on BBQ, $3000 "meetings", baseball game "retreats" (we were paying them to work at school while they were at a baseball game), golf outings, massages...
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
an fcps teacher
()
Date: August 06, 2014 09:49PM
I don't doubt that funds are sometimes spent on things they shouldn't be. But, as an FCPS teacher for the past eleven years, I can't recall that I've ever received more then 2 or 3 meals a year paid for by the school (this doesn't include the lunch or two provided by the PTA during teacher appreciation week). Each of those school provided meals has been on an evening like back-to-school night, curriculum night, or some function that obligated me to be at work for an extra 4 or 5 hours without receiving any pay for it.
If you want me to extend my workday without pay by as much as sometimes 80% or more, the least you could do is not bitch about your tax dollars buying me a $6 Chipotle burrito.
If you want me to extend my workday without pay by as much as sometimes 80% or more, the least you could do is not bitch about your tax dollars buying me a $6 Chipotle burrito.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
however
()
Date: August 06, 2014 10:49PM
Other people have to stay late at work with "no pay" (on salary) and buy their own burritos. Feeding you is not your employer's responsibility. Just something to think about.
Also, your contract does not say you will get fed. It says you will get paid.
Back to School Night is part of the contract.
Also, your contract does not say you will get fed. It says you will get paid.
Back to School Night is part of the contract.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
an fcps teacher
()
Date: August 06, 2014 11:19PM
I'll still take my burrito and consider it owed
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
FCPS Parent
()
Date: August 06, 2014 11:27PM
As an FCPS parent who pays for parking, I think the facts has gone a little rogue in the opinion department. The sanctimonious statements like 'if this doesn't make you retch" indicates a loss of objectivity. I really don't mind if my principal buys the teachers t-shirts, food, or other for morale purposes. At my son's high school (which I won't name) I noted clothing line item that I know was for students. My first roommate after college was a teacher, and I can attest to the thousands of unpaid hours at home grading papers, preparing lesson plans, going in to set up room, phone calls/emails with parents...NOT JUST ON PARENT TEACHER NIGHT.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 07, 2014 07:50AM
I am entitled to my opinion, I paid for all of this, I posted all of this, and if I want to opinionate, I will. I don't know what to make of some of this stuff. I know staff put in a lot of hard, long hours. However, you have to look closely at trying to feed and clothe 250+ adults per high school. You are fighting a losing battle trying to keep up with that in an attempt to keep staff happy. It will never be enough. I worked for the government for years and we did 60+ hour weeks and never got massages, beach bags and beach towels, paid parking tickets, ice cream, smoothies, $3000 meetings, baseball games, luxury hotels, dinner at Morton's or any other kind of dinner, sunset cruises, etc. paid for by public dollars. We never even expected any of that. We just knew that was the way it was. We had a Sunshine Fund that we all chipped in to for flowers and retirement gifts. Because the taxpayers aren't supposed to buying that stuff. I realize some of the clothing might have been for students, however, most of it was clearly labelled as faculty/staff/admin. Trying to clothe 2000 kids per high school is also a losing battle.
The money is this account is NOT the principals' personal money to do whatever they want with. It is public money. They are public officials, there are guidelines for use of public money, and their licenses depend on them following school regulations and state and federal laws.
I know I am not the only person whose jaw dropped to the floor at some of the expenses.
If you are going to trim services to children, load up on class sizes, and ask for more tax money, you need to hold up your end of the agreement and use the money given to you very, very carefully. And use the time we pay for to educate children and do your administrative work, NOT party/dine/snack/hang out in the lap of luxury/cruise/divvy up hundreds of presents/shop for these presents, etc.
The money is this account is NOT the principals' personal money to do whatever they want with. It is public money. They are public officials, there are guidelines for use of public money, and their licenses depend on them following school regulations and state and federal laws.
I know I am not the only person whose jaw dropped to the floor at some of the expenses.
If you are going to trim services to children, load up on class sizes, and ask for more tax money, you need to hold up your end of the agreement and use the money given to you very, very carefully. And use the time we pay for to educate children and do your administrative work, NOT party/dine/snack/hang out in the lap of luxury/cruise/divvy up hundreds of presents/shop for these presents, etc.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
i don't get it
()
Date: August 07, 2014 08:17AM
I always have taken in food for teacher appreciation week, end of the year luncheon, back to school treats, holiday treats, etc. Why are we doing this if they are already buying all this out of this fund?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Honesty
()
Date: August 07, 2014 08:55AM
I just wish they would be honest with us. For years FCPS told us that building use fees were collected to pay for the custodians. Apparently not.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 07, 2014 09:14AM
The individual schools retain 15% of the building use/rental fees, out of county tuition, parking fees, and vandalism. They retain all of the building use application fees and the other things. I have no idea how the custodians are paid. They could be paid by central or out of this account but it is not clearly indicated. The custodians certainly have to be paid, and I am sure they are, and there is wear and tear on the buildings, etc.
I saw 15% retained athletic fees put into this account with a few schools. The regulation specifically says only certain funds can be put into this account, and those are NOT on the list.
I posted the ECA guidelines earlier. The only thing that isn't clear is that the principals can use the money for whatever they think is appropriate. That is a big loophole. It certainly still needs to be interpreted in the light of the other local regulations, and state and federal laws. The title of this fund is "Educational", NOT "party and fine dining" or "staff benefits". I think some people have gotten really confused and are making emotional decisions rather than objective, rational decisions.
I saw 15% retained athletic fees put into this account with a few schools. The regulation specifically says only certain funds can be put into this account, and those are NOT on the list.
I posted the ECA guidelines earlier. The only thing that isn't clear is that the principals can use the money for whatever they think is appropriate. That is a big loophole. It certainly still needs to be interpreted in the light of the other local regulations, and state and federal laws. The title of this fund is "Educational", NOT "party and fine dining" or "staff benefits". I think some people have gotten really confused and are making emotional decisions rather than objective, rational decisions.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
qwerty6
()
Date: August 07, 2014 09:20AM
however Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Other people have to stay late at work with "no
> pay" (on salary) and buy their own burritos.
> Feeding you is not your employer's responsibility.
> Just something to think about.
>
> Also, your contract does not say you will get fed.
> It says you will get paid.
>
> Back to School Night is part of the contract.
Yes. It's a hard knock life.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Other people have to stay late at work with "no
> pay" (on salary) and buy their own burritos.
> Feeding you is not your employer's responsibility.
> Just something to think about.
>
> Also, your contract does not say you will get fed.
> It says you will get paid.
>
> Back to School Night is part of the contract.
Yes. It's a hard knock life.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the pay is too low
()
Date: August 07, 2014 10:24AM
"I'll still take my burrito and consider it owed"
This is what happens when people are underpaid and feel less than appreciated. I have no doubt that the principals mean well by feeding staff and giving them t shirts. They know that the teachers have difficult jobs and they want to show them that they are appreciated. My problem is with how the money is meted out (it is not even across schools and it is disingenuous not to tell people how the fees are applied). I also have a problem with the fancy restaurants and the baseball game and hotel expenses as those are luxuries by any measure. I think it's okay to give the principals some kind of a fund, but don't call it an "educational fund" and don't take the money out of "fees". The SB needs to just budget some money and then tell how it can be spent (like for meals on back to school nights, etc.). It would not be hard to come up with a list of appropriate expenditure items based on all the things that have been purchased). Maybe it could be called the "teacher morale fund". The PTSA could also possibly raise some money to pay for some of these "comfort" items (and be upfront about what the money is for).
This is what happens when people are underpaid and feel less than appreciated. I have no doubt that the principals mean well by feeding staff and giving them t shirts. They know that the teachers have difficult jobs and they want to show them that they are appreciated. My problem is with how the money is meted out (it is not even across schools and it is disingenuous not to tell people how the fees are applied). I also have a problem with the fancy restaurants and the baseball game and hotel expenses as those are luxuries by any measure. I think it's okay to give the principals some kind of a fund, but don't call it an "educational fund" and don't take the money out of "fees". The SB needs to just budget some money and then tell how it can be spent (like for meals on back to school nights, etc.). It would not be hard to come up with a list of appropriate expenditure items based on all the things that have been purchased). Maybe it could be called the "teacher morale fund". The PTSA could also possibly raise some money to pay for some of these "comfort" items (and be upfront about what the money is for).
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
qwerty6
()
Date: August 07, 2014 11:16AM
Just because you think your pay is too low doesn't give you the right to expect or give out thousands of dollars of public money for these kinds of things. Everybody thinks their pay is too low. Now they think they are entitled to all of this. You don't just help yourselves because you are unhappy with the pay scale.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
your logic is correct
()
Date: August 07, 2014 11:52AM
^ I have to agree with you. I think that emotions have gotten in the way with this "fee for slush" scheme. The SB needs to deal with it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
others doing this?
()
Date: August 07, 2014 12:04PM
I'm starting to wonder about the "fees" that I pay when I go to the county parks. For example, I have rented the pavillions for parties. Is a certain percentage of the "fee" set aside so that the staff there can have lunches, retirement parties, flowers when they get sick, conference fees, hotel room fees, etc. (with the exception of hiring hookers)? Since it's a "fee", I suppose it is "optional" and it is therefore not "public" money?
I'm mostly worried about the county parks. It seems that the feds have pretty strict regulations and I'm not sure about the state (but it seems a bit dicey there given the lack of regulations on gifts). Does anyone know?
I'm mostly worried about the county parks. It seems that the feds have pretty strict regulations and I'm not sure about the state (but it seems a bit dicey there given the lack of regulations on gifts). Does anyone know?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 07, 2014 12:17PM
Just because something is optional does not make it NOT public money. The money is under the control of county officials and comes from use of public property and services, etc. You should not have to choose between buying a parking pass or a Coke or paying out of county tuition and paying for massages, etc. or not buying a parking pass/Coke/tuition.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
bullcrap
()
Date: August 07, 2014 01:02PM
the pay is too low Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "I'll still take my burrito and consider it owed"
>
>
> This is what happens when people are underpaid and
> feel less than appreciated. I have no doubt that
> the principals mean well by feeding staff and
> giving them t shirts. They know that the teachers
> have difficult jobs and they want to show them
> that they are appreciated. My problem is with how
> the money is meted out (it is not even across
> schools and it is disingenuous not to tell people
> how the fees are applied). I also have a problem
> with the fancy restaurants and the baseball game
> and hotel expenses as those are luxuries by any
> measure. I think it's okay to give the principals
> some kind of a fund, but don't call it an
> "educational fund" and don't take the money out of
> "fees". The SB needs to just budget some money
> and then tell how it can be spent (like for meals
> on back to school nights, etc.). It would not be
> hard to come up with a list of appropriate
> expenditure items based on all the things that
> have been purchased). Maybe it could be called
> the "teacher morale fund". The PTSA could also
> possibly raise some money to pay for some of these
> "comfort" items (and be upfront about what the
> money is for).
I feel overworked and underappreciated all the time. It doesn't make anybody want to give me anything.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "I'll still take my burrito and consider it owed"
>
>
> This is what happens when people are underpaid and
> feel less than appreciated. I have no doubt that
> the principals mean well by feeding staff and
> giving them t shirts. They know that the teachers
> have difficult jobs and they want to show them
> that they are appreciated. My problem is with how
> the money is meted out (it is not even across
> schools and it is disingenuous not to tell people
> how the fees are applied). I also have a problem
> with the fancy restaurants and the baseball game
> and hotel expenses as those are luxuries by any
> measure. I think it's okay to give the principals
> some kind of a fund, but don't call it an
> "educational fund" and don't take the money out of
> "fees". The SB needs to just budget some money
> and then tell how it can be spent (like for meals
> on back to school nights, etc.). It would not be
> hard to come up with a list of appropriate
> expenditure items based on all the things that
> have been purchased). Maybe it could be called
> the "teacher morale fund". The PTSA could also
> possibly raise some money to pay for some of these
> "comfort" items (and be upfront about what the
> money is for).
I feel overworked and underappreciated all the time. It doesn't make anybody want to give me anything.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
aww
()
Date: August 07, 2014 08:00PM
bullcrap Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> the pay is too low Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "I'll still take my burrito and consider it
> owed"
> >
> >
> > This is what happens when people are underpaid
> and
> > feel less than appreciated. I have no doubt
> that
> > the principals mean well by feeding staff and
> > giving them t shirts. They know that the
> teachers
> > have difficult jobs and they want to show them
> > that they are appreciated. My problem is with
> how
> > the money is meted out (it is not even across
> > schools and it is disingenuous not to tell
> people
> > how the fees are applied). I also have a
> problem
> > with the fancy restaurants and the baseball
> game
> > and hotel expenses as those are luxuries by any
> > measure. I think it's okay to give the
> principals
> > some kind of a fund, but don't call it an
> > "educational fund" and don't take the money out
> of
> > "fees". The SB needs to just budget some money
> > and then tell how it can be spent (like for
> meals
> > on back to school nights, etc.). It would not
> be
> > hard to come up with a list of appropriate
> > expenditure items based on all the things that
> > have been purchased). Maybe it could be called
> > the "teacher morale fund". The PTSA could also
> > possibly raise some money to pay for some of
> these
> > "comfort" items (and be upfront about what the
> > money is for).
>
>
> I feel overworked and underappreciated all the
> time. It doesn't make anybody want to give me
> anything.
All of FFX Underground wants to give you a great big hug!
-------------------------------------------------------
> the pay is too low Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "I'll still take my burrito and consider it
> owed"
> >
> >
> > This is what happens when people are underpaid
> and
> > feel less than appreciated. I have no doubt
> that
> > the principals mean well by feeding staff and
> > giving them t shirts. They know that the
> teachers
> > have difficult jobs and they want to show them
> > that they are appreciated. My problem is with
> how
> > the money is meted out (it is not even across
> > schools and it is disingenuous not to tell
> people
> > how the fees are applied). I also have a
> problem
> > with the fancy restaurants and the baseball
> game
> > and hotel expenses as those are luxuries by any
> > measure. I think it's okay to give the
> principals
> > some kind of a fund, but don't call it an
> > "educational fund" and don't take the money out
> of
> > "fees". The SB needs to just budget some money
> > and then tell how it can be spent (like for
> meals
> > on back to school nights, etc.). It would not
> be
> > hard to come up with a list of appropriate
> > expenditure items based on all the things that
> > have been purchased). Maybe it could be called
> > the "teacher morale fund". The PTSA could also
> > possibly raise some money to pay for some of
> these
> > "comfort" items (and be upfront about what the
> > money is for).
>
>
> I feel overworked and underappreciated all the
> time. It doesn't make anybody want to give me
> anything.
All of FFX Underground wants to give you a great big hug!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Oakton mom
()
Date: August 07, 2014 08:47PM
The ECA account is not tax dollars. Sorry, but buying lunch or breakfast once or twice a year at $10 a head is not a big deal. 85% of parking money goes to the county.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 07, 2014 08:53PM
The ECA is still public money. It doesn't matter that it isn't tax dollars. There is lots more to it than parking pass money, also.
Oakton has blown about 100 grand on restaurants in the last 4 years, BTW. Pretty impressive.
Oakton has blown about 100 grand on restaurants in the last 4 years, BTW. Pretty impressive.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
paidinfull
()
Date: August 07, 2014 08:55PM
Shocking. A school purchased pizza from Dominoes!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
slush
()
Date: August 07, 2014 09:01PM
the facts Wrote:
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> I am going to have to pull lots of charges on this
> one, also.
Really, not much even flowed through the account, Barb.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am going to have to pull lots of charges on this
> one, also.
Really, not much even flowed through the account, Barb.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 07, 2014 09:15PM
slush Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am going to have to pull lots of charges on
> this
> > one, also.
>
>
> Really, not much even flowed through the account,
> Barb
It isn't just the amounts.
-------------------------------------------------------
> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am going to have to pull lots of charges on
> this
> > one, also.
>
>
> Really, not much even flowed through the account,
> Barb
It isn't just the amounts.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 07, 2014 09:16PM
paidinfull Wrote:
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> Shocking. A school purchased pizza from Dominoes!
they are buying a lot more than pizza. Are you saying you prefer Papa John's and don't understand why they are buying at Dominoes?
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> Shocking. A school purchased pizza from Dominoes!
they are buying a lot more than pizza. Are you saying you prefer Papa John's and don't understand why they are buying at Dominoes?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 07, 2014 09:19PM
the facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The ECA is still public money. It doesn't matter
> that it isn't tax dollars. There is lots more to
> it than parking pass money, also.
>
> Oakton has blown about 100 grand on restaurants in
> the last 4 years, BTW. Pretty impressive.
I actually think it was 100 grand in just three years. It is probably more like 125 grand over four years, if not more. These people really like to party.
That is salary for two teachers.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The ECA is still public money. It doesn't matter
> that it isn't tax dollars. There is lots more to
> it than parking pass money, also.
>
> Oakton has blown about 100 grand on restaurants in
> the last 4 years, BTW. Pretty impressive.
I actually think it was 100 grand in just three years. It is probably more like 125 grand over four years, if not more. These people really like to party.
That is salary for two teachers.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 08, 2014 06:59AM
This is not really parking pass slush material, but since everybody is following this, I pulled the last few months of county credit card information and travel and expense information on the Superintendent and the Chairman of the School Board. The chairman is the only member of the School Board who is issued a county charge card. There haven't been any statements since the current chairman took over, so I am now pulling the statements for the last year and a half on the former.
Just thought it fit in, since Mo Co was mentioned in this thread.
There you go.
Attachments:
Just thought it fit in, since Mo Co was mentioned in this thread.
There you go.
Attachments:
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Fcps parent
()
Date: August 08, 2014 09:50AM
You really are being driven by some motivation unexplained. There is nothing illegal about being reimbursed for local travel.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 08, 2014 10:14AM
I never said there was a problem with local travel! Where did you get that idea? You seem to have jumped to conclusions.
I am just posting the information. They go from school to school. I am sure there is mileage.
I am just posting the information. They go from school to school. I am sure there is mileage.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Fcps parent
()
Date: August 08, 2014 03:16PM
Because it has started to feel like watching a Congressional hearing where everything starts to look suspicious. Well, why did you drive to that meeting? Why didn't you take a bus? Or wasn't there a county vehicle? Oh wait, we took all those county vehicles away because that was the last scandal.
I'm not tuning in anymore
I'm not tuning in anymore
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Another FCPS Parent
()
Date: August 08, 2014 06:02PM
^I'm going to agree with the fellow parent above. This has just gotten pretty lame. My kids go to Madison High School. While I don't think every expenditure has been the best decision, I have found the administrators and teachers always very professional when I have had to deal with them. I'm not suspicious of my kids' principal anymore. I'm suspicious of "the facts" and her ulterior motives.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 08, 2014 06:23PM
I don't have ulterior motives. I am just spreading the word.
It's not like I am staying at the luxury hotels, going to $3000 meetings, getting massages, going to baseball games, enjoying having people buy me lunch, getting flowers and presents, going to fancy restaurants, etc. All on public dollars. I have to buy my own stuff.
Wake up call-this money is supposed to be spent on your children. The staff are spending it like drunken sailors on themselves, then say they don't have enough for the children, then want to raise your taxes.
Got it?
It's not like I am staying at the luxury hotels, going to $3000 meetings, getting massages, going to baseball games, enjoying having people buy me lunch, getting flowers and presents, going to fancy restaurants, etc. All on public dollars. I have to buy my own stuff.
Wake up call-this money is supposed to be spent on your children. The staff are spending it like drunken sailors on themselves, then say they don't have enough for the children, then want to raise your taxes.
Got it?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
some is fine for sure
()
Date: August 08, 2014 07:24PM
^ I don't think you have to be either "for or against" the facts lady. You can be for some of the spending and against other spending. I think the fact that the FOIA exists is a good thing and that exposing this information may, at the very least, lead to some better decisions about how money is spent. It may also lead to safeguards for people who decide to become administrators. I think they are great people also, but they need to be protected by having some guidelines in place. Any of this information could be used against them in ways that could be detrimental to their careers. They need guidelines at the very least.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Barb
()
Date: August 08, 2014 08:43PM
the facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't have ulterior motives. I am just spreading
> the word.
>
> It's not like I am staying at the luxury hotels,
> going to $3000 meetings, getting massages, going
> to baseball games, enjoying having people buy me
> lunch, getting flowers and presents, going to
> fancy restaurants, etc. All on public dollars. I
> have to buy my own stuff.
>
> Wake up call-this money is supposed to be spent on
> your children. The staff are spending it like
> drunken sailors on themselves, then say they don't
> have enough for the children, then want to raise
> your taxes.
>
> Got it?
Clearly , you have a motive Barb. Feeding 200 people costs. Having a retreat for people who work when they are not paid is not extravagant. Barb, you live in Oakton. Change the name of the account and your witch hunt is over.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't have ulterior motives. I am just spreading
> the word.
>
> It's not like I am staying at the luxury hotels,
> going to $3000 meetings, getting massages, going
> to baseball games, enjoying having people buy me
> lunch, getting flowers and presents, going to
> fancy restaurants, etc. All on public dollars. I
> have to buy my own stuff.
>
> Wake up call-this money is supposed to be spent on
> your children. The staff are spending it like
> drunken sailors on themselves, then say they don't
> have enough for the children, then want to raise
> your taxes.
>
> Got it?
Clearly , you have a motive Barb. Feeding 200 people costs. Having a retreat for people who work when they are not paid is not extravagant. Barb, you live in Oakton. Change the name of the account and your witch hunt is over.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Cafeteria
()
Date: August 08, 2014 08:47PM
the facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The ECA is still public money. It doesn't
> matter
> > that it isn't tax dollars. There is lots more
> to
> > it than parking pass money, also.
> >
> > Oakton has blown about 100 grand on restaurants
> in
> > the last 4 years, BTW. Pretty impressive.
>
> I actually think it was 100 grand in just three
> years. It is probably more like 125 grand over
> four years, if not more. These people really like
> to party.
>
> That is salary for two teachers.
Party in the school cafeteria. Woo hoo. Barb, restaurants deliver.
-------------------------------------------------------
> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The ECA is still public money. It doesn't
> matter
> > that it isn't tax dollars. There is lots more
> to
> > it than parking pass money, also.
> >
> > Oakton has blown about 100 grand on restaurants
> in
> > the last 4 years, BTW. Pretty impressive.
>
> I actually think it was 100 grand in just three
> years. It is probably more like 125 grand over
> four years, if not more. These people really like
> to party.
>
> That is salary for two teachers.
Party in the school cafeteria. Woo hoo. Barb, restaurants deliver.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 08, 2014 09:27PM
some is fine for sure Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ^ I don't think you have to be either "for or
> against" the facts lady. You can be for some of
> the spending and against other spending. I think
> the fact that the FOIA exists is a good thing and
> that exposing this information may, at the very
> least, lead to some better decisions about how
> money is spent. It may also lead to safeguards
> for people who decide to become administrators. I
> think they are great people also, but they need to
> be protected by having some guidelines in place.
> Any of this information could be used against them
> in ways that could be detrimental to their
> careers. They need guidelines at the very least.
Thank you. Foia is a wonderful tool in a situation like this.
I have never seen so many immature people in all of my life.
Well, actually I have.
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> ^ I don't think you have to be either "for or
> against" the facts lady. You can be for some of
> the spending and against other spending. I think
> the fact that the FOIA exists is a good thing and
> that exposing this information may, at the very
> least, lead to some better decisions about how
> money is spent. It may also lead to safeguards
> for people who decide to become administrators. I
> think they are great people also, but they need to
> be protected by having some guidelines in place.
> Any of this information could be used against them
> in ways that could be detrimental to their
> careers. They need guidelines at the very least.
Thank you. Foia is a wonderful tool in a situation like this.
I have never seen so many immature people in all of my life.
Well, actually I have.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 08, 2014 10:02PM
And I don't want to hear any whining from Oakton people. I have records back to 2010 on them and they are posted here. I am sure if I pulled some of the other high rollers back a few more years, things would be very similar. I think we got a really good picture by looking at the last year or so. They all have 5-6 years of records. Want me to put in more FOIA requests? I am sure Brandynn would love it in the DCCO.
If anybody at Oakton (or any other school) is upset about being fingered, then quit doing what you are doing/find another source of funds for this stuff. I wasn't the one signing all the checks and making decisions. Think it through next time BEFORE you sign those checks and go slapping down the county plastic.
The legal people and the business office also need to get it together and set up some guidelines and limits. Their current system is a disaster and a liability nightmare.
If anybody at Oakton (or any other school) is upset about being fingered, then quit doing what you are doing/find another source of funds for this stuff. I wasn't the one signing all the checks and making decisions. Think it through next time BEFORE you sign those checks and go slapping down the county plastic.
The legal people and the business office also need to get it together and set up some guidelines and limits. Their current system is a disaster and a liability nightmare.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Bottom line
()
Date: August 09, 2014 08:12AM
The FOIA docs prove that certain school principals have a different take on what is appropriate and what is not. If you filter out the comments of those who begrudge teachers some water and cookies the fact remains that pricy administrative retreats are not appropriate no matter what account the funds come from. I do hope that copies of these documents go to every member of the SB. One thing I am curious about was the mention of baseball games. I know that at one school tickets were available but staff paid for them. Thus is it possible that the staff payments were deposited into a school account so one check could be written? Another point is PTSA funds - unlike elementary schools PTSA membership drops greatly by HS - and money is not there for lavish treats. Staff are grateful for the homemade treats the volunteers provide. Bottom lime, not all HS are profligate with funds from any account and that fact should be supported with looking at all accounts. This is the job of the SB!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 09, 2014 08:47AM
Bottom Line-----the baseball game tickets were purchased for 18 staff members. This was described as a "retreat". There was no record of any reimbursements on this account. If you are going to do a group purchase and then collect, you treat it as a social event, somebody gets out THEIR PERSONAL charge card to do the honors, and everybody pays them back. This account is NOT a personal checking account, even though it looks like it sometimes. BTW I didn't go looking for the hot dogs and popcorn and cold drinks and fries. That probably would add another $20-30 per person.
I have a feeling there are a LOT of school admin people following this thread, and I would not doubt the School Board is following it. Which is exactly why I am using this to spread the word. It is reaching a lot of people at a lot of different levels, it is easier than doing a newspaper article, easy to update, and it gives the staff an opportunity to see what their decisions look like displaved to the public. If you want, you can forward this whole thing to your SB member. I know Channel 4 has it, also.
I have a feeling there are a LOT of school admin people following this thread, and I would not doubt the School Board is following it. Which is exactly why I am using this to spread the word. It is reaching a lot of people at a lot of different levels, it is easier than doing a newspaper article, easy to update, and it gives the staff an opportunity to see what their decisions look like displaved to the public. If you want, you can forward this whole thing to your SB member. I know Channel 4 has it, also.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
bandfeerefund?
()
Date: August 09, 2014 08:55AM
the facts Wrote:
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> More rocking and rolling at Oakton. The region 6A
> North $2000 is something to do with activities.
>
> About $15,000++ spent on clothing, planners, etc.
> The restaurant bills are staggering. A March
> Madness lunch for $335.24.
> At least $1200 on flowers.
What do you suppose these are for?
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> More rocking and rolling at Oakton. The region 6A
> North $2000 is something to do with activities.
>
> About $15,000++ spent on clothing, planners, etc.
> The restaurant bills are staggering. A March
> Madness lunch for $335.24.
> At least $1200 on flowers.
What do you suppose these are for?
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 09, 2014 09:07AM
I saw the Band fee refunds and I just haven't had the time to follow up. I would think that those should have come from whatever fund they paid in to that was run through the school accounts. Maybe they used up all the funds, then realized that a few people were due refunds, and had to find the money somewhere. That would certainly be an educational expense as Band is a class. All the Band class fees at this school were run through school accounts (as vs Booster club accounts) that year. Feel free to ask Brandynn for supporting documents. I have enough irons in the fire with all the other issues right now.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 09, 2014 10:01AM
There have been a couple of audits done on the school activity funds, for anybody who is interested. I first reported my concerns about the ECA usage about a year and a half ago. This is a little advanced, but for those who love audits like I do, these aren't too bad. Go past the window dressing to the findings. I particularly noticed
page 13- cash advance problems (never good)
page 17- 8 travel cash advance problems (really not good) this can be linked up with page 26 under the travel column. There was only one entry for travel problems and it was a high school and there is an 8 in this column. Take a look.
page 19-inappropriate use of Advanced Appropriated Funds. This is an account that is supposed to be used for office supplies and teaching materials.
20-class accounts. A bunch of money was left over from some class accounts (after the seniors graduated, there was money left over). What to do with it? Good question. What happened to your kids' accounts? Maybe you should ask.
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page 13- cash advance problems (never good)
page 17- 8 travel cash advance problems (really not good) this can be linked up with page 26 under the travel column. There was only one entry for travel problems and it was a high school and there is an 8 in this column. Take a look.
page 19-inappropriate use of Advanced Appropriated Funds. This is an account that is supposed to be used for office supplies and teaching materials.
20-class accounts. A bunch of money was left over from some class accounts (after the seniors graduated, there was money left over). What to do with it? Good question. What happened to your kids' accounts? Maybe you should ask.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 09, 2014 10:06AM
Here's another one.
Page 19-NO MEALS ON P-CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what I said.
page 20-more Advanced Appropriated Funds problems.
page 21-a student club account was tapped to pay for a faculty golf tournament, and there is no record of any approval of the club for this activity. It looks like it was to benefit the students, but you have to ask.
You have to remember they can't and don't look at everything on these accounts with an audit. I strongly recommend parents pull the accounts of anything they have an interest in and take a look at what is going on. These people are handling an enormous amount of money and the more eyes on these, the better. It is very easy to do.
Have a nice weekend.
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![Oct 2013 School Activity Funds Audit Year Ended 06-30-2013[1].pdf](http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=151646,filename=Oct_2013_School_Activity_Funds_Audit_Year_Ended_06-30-2013_1_.pdf "Oct 2013 School Activity Funds Audit Year Ended 06-30-2013[1].pdf")
Page 19-NO MEALS ON P-CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what I said.
page 20-more Advanced Appropriated Funds problems.
page 21-a student club account was tapped to pay for a faculty golf tournament, and there is no record of any approval of the club for this activity. It looks like it was to benefit the students, but you have to ask.
You have to remember they can't and don't look at everything on these accounts with an audit. I strongly recommend parents pull the accounts of anything they have an interest in and take a look at what is going on. These people are handling an enormous amount of money and the more eyes on these, the better. It is very easy to do.
Have a nice weekend.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Barb'smission
()
Date: August 09, 2014 08:03PM
the facts Wrote:
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> Mt. Vernon. Home of the $1900 golf outing. We have
> a retreat at Homewood Suites that looks like it
> was at Arundel Mills (up in Maryland). $2000. I
> need to pull some more records on this report.
Homewood suites! Crazy luxury!
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> Mt. Vernon. Home of the $1900 golf outing. We have
> a retreat at Homewood Suites that looks like it
> was at Arundel Mills (up in Maryland). $2000. I
> need to pull some more records on this report.
Homewood suites! Crazy luxury!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 09, 2014 08:06PM
I noticed it was the Kmart version. You can bet it still probably ran at least 3 grand. Blue Light Special.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 09, 2014 08:12PM
Anybody like the audits? I just loved the appropriated funds being used for teacher treats. Thank God the auditor caught that. The $155 shoes that the kids bought the coach were pretty good, too.
But, my all time favorite was the unsubstantiated cash advances probably by the high school that begins with an M. Wonder how that turned out.
When you take out a cash advance you get your rear end in with every scrap of documentation to support it. You don't wait for a summer auditor to pull your pants down and publish it in an audit.
Nice tan line.
But, my all time favorite was the unsubstantiated cash advances probably by the high school that begins with an M. Wonder how that turned out.
When you take out a cash advance you get your rear end in with every scrap of documentation to support it. You don't wait for a summer auditor to pull your pants down and publish it in an audit.
Nice tan line.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
eagle eye
()
Date: August 09, 2014 08:24PM
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmadison?!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
dsw
()
Date: August 10, 2014 09:05AM
I want to know who the pathetic ass was who expected a bunch of kids to pay for their shoes. Is there any way to find out?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
shoes????????$%^&**
()
Date: August 10, 2014 11:04AM
the big question is who was the principal who didn't have the gonads to say pay for these yourself. it looks like there might have been multiple coaches. can anybody research this?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
truth checker
()
Date: August 10, 2014 11:48AM
Hi 'facts'
I decided to do a little search myself, without a FOIA. I looked at a date at a high school where flowers and food were purchased and I thought...hmmm what was going on at the school that day. And I was easily able to determine it was an athlete college signing ceremony. Such a terrible judgement on the principal's behalf....sarcasm....
I do believe you have a grudge of some sort.....I think you have been posting under multiple names throughout this thread feeding the controversy and how 'you can't do this all by yourself'. So if you have a full time job and a family, should we do a FOIA on your work hours and verify you haven't been doing this on the job? ....again sarcasm....
I decided to do a little search myself, without a FOIA. I looked at a date at a high school where flowers and food were purchased and I thought...hmmm what was going on at the school that day. And I was easily able to determine it was an athlete college signing ceremony. Such a terrible judgement on the principal's behalf....sarcasm....
I do believe you have a grudge of some sort.....I think you have been posting under multiple names throughout this thread feeding the controversy and how 'you can't do this all by yourself'. So if you have a full time job and a family, should we do a FOIA on your work hours and verify you haven't been doing this on the job? ....again sarcasm....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Who cares?!?
()
Date: August 10, 2014 12:13PM
So what is the purpose of these ongoing FOIA trains? Are you reporting this to the authorities or is it just to get your pound of flesh for not getting a refund on your darling's Band Spring trip (as rumors say) two years ago?
Really, I haven't seen any of this hit the news, or have the FX Board of Supervisors interested in taking these alleged corrupt officials to task.
But hey if it makes you feel good wasting time and $ and creating a position at Gatehouse (Public Information Specialist, (US 24 making 63 to 111k yr.) just to answer your FOIA requests, knock yourself out.
Really, I haven't seen any of this hit the news, or have the FX Board of Supervisors interested in taking these alleged corrupt officials to task.
But hey if it makes you feel good wasting time and $ and creating a position at Gatehouse (Public Information Specialist, (US 24 making 63 to 111k yr.) just to answer your FOIA requests, knock yourself out.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Duh.
()
Date: August 10, 2014 12:36PM
You do realize that on many occasions listed here, such as the lunches at the end of the year, the staff pays the school by cash or check, and the school rights one check to the restaurant or catering company for the full amount. Every year I have worked in FCS, I have paid between 15 and 40 dollars for our end of the year meal. Many restaurants demand one check when holding a room for an event like this, and the net cost is a wash for the taxpayer. This is at least the story in elementary and middle school.
Use your brains, people.
Use your brains, people.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Duh.
()
Date: August 10, 2014 12:39PM
Duh. Wrote:
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> You do realize that on many occasions listed here,
> such as the lunches at the end of the year, the
> staff pays the school by cash or check, and the
> school rights one check to the restaurant or
> catering company for the full amount. Every year I
> have worked in FCS, I have paid between 15 and 40
> dollars for our end of the year meal. Many
> restaurants demand one check when holding a room
> for an event like this, and the net cost is a wash
> for the taxpayer. This is at least the story in
> elementary and middle school.
> Use your brains, people.
Sorry, "writes", not "rights".
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> You do realize that on many occasions listed here,
> such as the lunches at the end of the year, the
> staff pays the school by cash or check, and the
> school rights one check to the restaurant or
> catering company for the full amount. Every year I
> have worked in FCS, I have paid between 15 and 40
> dollars for our end of the year meal. Many
> restaurants demand one check when holding a room
> for an event like this, and the net cost is a wash
> for the taxpayer. This is at least the story in
> elementary and middle school.
> Use your brains, people.
Sorry, "writes", not "rights".
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
no sarcasm here
()
Date: August 10, 2014 02:13PM
". I looked at a date at a high school where flowers and food were purchased and I thought...hmmm what was going on at the school that day. And I was easily able to determine it was an athlete college signing ceremony. Such a terrible judgement on the principal's behalf....sarcasm..."
Well, this kind of depends on what you think that fund is for . . .right? We have come to believe that every event must have flowers and food associated with it, but this is definitely a debatable thing. And who should pay for this? Maybe the school that is going to be receiving the athlete would more appropriately pay . . . and also it is debatable whether there should be a "signing ceremony" at the high school. It may be more appropriate for this to happen at the college itself? Just some thoughts.
Also, should a student who receives a full academic scholarship have a "signing ceremony" when they have been recruited by various colleges based on academic talent and hard work and choose one of the schools? Should there be food and flowers? There is usually an awards ceremony scheduled at the end of the year and maybe this is the appropriate venue to announce athletic scholarships as well (?). What about students who get full ride appointments to the military academies? Flowers? Food? Isn't the reward the scholarship itself?? Do we need to provide a party for them? These things are just as important to those individual students.
Well, this kind of depends on what you think that fund is for . . .right? We have come to believe that every event must have flowers and food associated with it, but this is definitely a debatable thing. And who should pay for this? Maybe the school that is going to be receiving the athlete would more appropriately pay . . . and also it is debatable whether there should be a "signing ceremony" at the high school. It may be more appropriate for this to happen at the college itself? Just some thoughts.
Also, should a student who receives a full academic scholarship have a "signing ceremony" when they have been recruited by various colleges based on academic talent and hard work and choose one of the schools? Should there be food and flowers? There is usually an awards ceremony scheduled at the end of the year and maybe this is the appropriate venue to announce athletic scholarships as well (?). What about students who get full ride appointments to the military academies? Flowers? Food? Isn't the reward the scholarship itself?? Do we need to provide a party for them? These things are just as important to those individual students.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
accounting question
()
Date: August 10, 2014 02:31PM
"You do realize that on many occasions listed here,
> such as the lunches at the end of the year, the
> staff pays the school by cash or check, and the
> school rights one check to the restaurant or
> catering company for the full amount. Every year I
> have worked in FCS, I have paid between 15 and 40
> dollars for our end of the year meal. Many
> restaurants demand one check when holding a room
> for an event like this, and the net cost is a wash
> for the taxpayer. This is at least the story in
> elementary and middle school.
> Use your brains, people."
But, wouldn't that be reflected on the audit as reimbursed instead of an expense?
> such as the lunches at the end of the year, the
> staff pays the school by cash or check, and the
> school rights one check to the restaurant or
> catering company for the full amount. Every year I
> have worked in FCS, I have paid between 15 and 40
> dollars for our end of the year meal. Many
> restaurants demand one check when holding a room
> for an event like this, and the net cost is a wash
> for the taxpayer. This is at least the story in
> elementary and middle school.
> Use your brains, people."
But, wouldn't that be reflected on the audit as reimbursed instead of an expense?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Duh.
()
Date: August 10, 2014 02:48PM
Agreed, but I think that is all that is being offered here.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
truth checker
()
Date: August 10, 2014 03:52PM
well, the truth is these funds are non-appropriated and can be used for any purpose at the discretion of the principal.
This is an official National Letter of Intent signing ceremony that takes place in every high school in Nov and February....you can look on the athletic web pages for a picture. Most athletes do not get a full ride or even any kind of scholarship (possible exception football/basketball)...simply the honor of playing the sport they love at the next level.
Are flowers/appetizers necessary? No. Is it inappropriate for principal to pay for from discretionary funds? Absolutely not. I picked a random date and that was the associated event.
All this started about an article in the post about the injustice about some schools have more funds generated from parking fees. Some schools have monopoles and others don't (some schools fight from having one installed, imagine that). Some schools have more fees generated from vending machines and building use. Some schools paid for their turf themselves out of booster fund and some are getting county dollars now. Inequities abound everywhere.
The point is, the facts seems to be on a crusade (one post suggests he/she trying to get the attention of school board rep for over 1.5 years...well before the WP article)....and I suspect prior to that. Some of the original posts rant about the mis-use of our 'tax dollars' and changed to 'public funds' when he/she was challenged.
Should teacher/staff educational conferences and admin retreats be paid for out of appropriated funds? Possibly. My guess is if we went through the various budget cuts they used to be.
This is an official National Letter of Intent signing ceremony that takes place in every high school in Nov and February....you can look on the athletic web pages for a picture. Most athletes do not get a full ride or even any kind of scholarship (possible exception football/basketball)...simply the honor of playing the sport they love at the next level.
Are flowers/appetizers necessary? No. Is it inappropriate for principal to pay for from discretionary funds? Absolutely not. I picked a random date and that was the associated event.
All this started about an article in the post about the injustice about some schools have more funds generated from parking fees. Some schools have monopoles and others don't (some schools fight from having one installed, imagine that). Some schools have more fees generated from vending machines and building use. Some schools paid for their turf themselves out of booster fund and some are getting county dollars now. Inequities abound everywhere.
The point is, the facts seems to be on a crusade (one post suggests he/she trying to get the attention of school board rep for over 1.5 years...well before the WP article)....and I suspect prior to that. Some of the original posts rant about the mis-use of our 'tax dollars' and changed to 'public funds' when he/she was challenged.
Should teacher/staff educational conferences and admin retreats be paid for out of appropriated funds? Possibly. My guess is if we went through the various budget cuts they used to be.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
attacking the messenger
()
Date: August 11, 2014 11:45AM
"The point is, the facts seems to be on a crusade (one post suggests he/she trying to get the attention of school board rep for over 1.5 years...well before the WP article)....and I suspect prior to that. Some of the original posts rant about the mis-use of our 'tax dollars' and changed to 'public funds' when he/she was challenged."
Does it really matter why the poster is doing this? You are committing the fallacy of ad hominem (attacking the person making the argument). This is Debate 101 stuff.
The question of use of funds generated from tax supported facilities is relevant. There may be very good answers for the use of this money and that's fine. But attacking her personally is not going to get you too far as a logical arguing point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Does it really matter why the poster is doing this? You are committing the fallacy of ad hominem (attacking the person making the argument). This is Debate 101 stuff.
The question of use of funds generated from tax supported facilities is relevant. There may be very good answers for the use of this money and that's fine. But attacking her personally is not going to get you too far as a logical arguing point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Truth checker
()
Date: August 11, 2014 01:22PM
If the facts just presented the data no one would question his/her motive. Instead the facts inserts opinion everywhere and essentially attacks every high school administrator in the county. Putting their names out there.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
what's the beef?
()
Date: August 11, 2014 02:27PM
^ Well, it's kinda hard to put the information out there without telling which schools it's from. It's an FOIA request. That sorta leads to who is the principal there, right?
And, if the facts person didn't have any opinions on this, why the heck would they be doing this? Opinions are just that--opinions. People are not so dumb as to not understand that. I wouldn't think anyone would have a reason to feel threatened if this is all legitimate spending.
As it stands, nothing illegal has happened. The facts has done nothing illegal and neither have the administrators. So why are you upset?
I think maybe you know that some of this spending is probably unethical and that it may be regulated in the future. Is that what is upsetting you?
And, if the facts person didn't have any opinions on this, why the heck would they be doing this? Opinions are just that--opinions. People are not so dumb as to not understand that. I wouldn't think anyone would have a reason to feel threatened if this is all legitimate spending.
As it stands, nothing illegal has happened. The facts has done nothing illegal and neither have the administrators. So why are you upset?
I think maybe you know that some of this spending is probably unethical and that it may be regulated in the future. Is that what is upsetting you?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
just a fact
()
Date: August 11, 2014 02:33PM
Another thing---my name has been up on this forum as well because I am a public employee. When you work for the taxpayers, nothing is "private" about your work. You know that when you take the job. The people who pay you are your employer and they happen to be the taxpayers. Principals have a very public job and they know that every day.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Employee
()
Date: August 11, 2014 07:38PM
just a fact Wrote:
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> Another thing---my name has been up on this forum
> as well because I am a public employee. When you
> work for the taxpayers, nothing is "private" about
> your work. You know that when you take the job.
> The people who pay you are your employer and they
> happen to be the taxpayers. Principals have a
> very public job and they know that every day.
Wrong. That is your problem. The taxpayers are not the employer. Perhaps that is where your logic is flawed. Apply it to any other tax funded position. Military? I am not the employer of any soldier. Do you employ the contractor who repairs a road? You are not in charge, barb.
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> Another thing---my name has been up on this forum
> as well because I am a public employee. When you
> work for the taxpayers, nothing is "private" about
> your work. You know that when you take the job.
> The people who pay you are your employer and they
> happen to be the taxpayers. Principals have a
> very public job and they know that every day.
Wrong. That is your problem. The taxpayers are not the employer. Perhaps that is where your logic is flawed. Apply it to any other tax funded position. Military? I am not the employer of any soldier. Do you employ the contractor who repairs a road? You are not in charge, barb.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Yuuuuuuppp
()
Date: August 11, 2014 08:17PM
^ Exactly
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 11, 2014 09:06PM
Don't shoot the messenger. Don't dump on me in order to glorify some of this stuff. I will express an opinion if I want to. There isn't anything you can do about my job because my job is none of your business. You need to focus on how outrageous a lot of this is and the serious need for some limit setting and guideline development.
I haven't seen too many corresponding or identifiable deposits to balance out the many, many thousands of dollars spent on stuff. That's not to say there aren't some. If they aren't clearly labeled.....If people are completely paying their own way, somebody should put the meal or event on their personal credit card, NOT a government card. If the government isn't paying anything, there should be no need to put it on county plastic and confuse the issues. That means it is a private transaction. You don't put private transactions on county cards. You don't run private transactions through county records. You don't risk county money when you are trying to collect from dozens of people, some of which might back out. If this is a split transaction, with the school system subsidizing some of the expenses, that complicates things. What should they really be subsidizing? As somebody pointed out earlier, the contracts for these employees say they are paid. They don't say they are going to be fed, get massages, complimentary golf, presents, etc.
I am sure some of the expenses could be considered appropriate. I never said they weren't. I have mentioned several that were obviously appropriate EDUCATIONAL expenses. This is an EDUCATIONAL fund.
Quit complaining about FOAI. It's the law and there isn't anything you can do about that. They have already tried some adjustments that FAILED. I think it is a great tool. And if any administrators don't like seeing their work put out here for the whole county to see, too bad. Why don't you like seeing your work out here? Do you not want to rationalize your decisions? Do you think you shouldn't have to/
Here is another fine example of our broke school system. I had to work to get the receipts for the hotel meals on the Madison Lansdowne trip that showed up on the final bill.
Breakfast-GSA rates for Loudoun County are $10. We paid $31 a person including about $22 for the food, and then additional charges and gratuities.
Lunch-GSA rates for Loudoun County are $15. We paid $35 per person. $25 for the base rate plus service charges/tip/tax.
That is $66 a person times 9 people. For breakfast and lunch. In a local hotel. Right down the road from where a few of them live, probably.
The GSA rates are out here for perspective.
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I haven't seen too many corresponding or identifiable deposits to balance out the many, many thousands of dollars spent on stuff. That's not to say there aren't some. If they aren't clearly labeled.....If people are completely paying their own way, somebody should put the meal or event on their personal credit card, NOT a government card. If the government isn't paying anything, there should be no need to put it on county plastic and confuse the issues. That means it is a private transaction. You don't put private transactions on county cards. You don't run private transactions through county records. You don't risk county money when you are trying to collect from dozens of people, some of which might back out. If this is a split transaction, with the school system subsidizing some of the expenses, that complicates things. What should they really be subsidizing? As somebody pointed out earlier, the contracts for these employees say they are paid. They don't say they are going to be fed, get massages, complimentary golf, presents, etc.
I am sure some of the expenses could be considered appropriate. I never said they weren't. I have mentioned several that were obviously appropriate EDUCATIONAL expenses. This is an EDUCATIONAL fund.
Quit complaining about FOAI. It's the law and there isn't anything you can do about that. They have already tried some adjustments that FAILED. I think it is a great tool. And if any administrators don't like seeing their work put out here for the whole county to see, too bad. Why don't you like seeing your work out here? Do you not want to rationalize your decisions? Do you think you shouldn't have to/
Here is another fine example of our broke school system. I had to work to get the receipts for the hotel meals on the Madison Lansdowne trip that showed up on the final bill.
Breakfast-GSA rates for Loudoun County are $10. We paid $31 a person including about $22 for the food, and then additional charges and gratuities.
Lunch-GSA rates for Loudoun County are $15. We paid $35 per person. $25 for the base rate plus service charges/tip/tax.
That is $66 a person times 9 people. For breakfast and lunch. In a local hotel. Right down the road from where a few of them live, probably.
The GSA rates are out here for perspective.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 11, 2014 09:11PM
just a fact Wrote:
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> Another thing---my name has been up on this forum
> as well because I am a public employee. When you
> work for the taxpayers, nothing is "private" about
> your work. You know that when you take the job.
> The people who pay you are your employer and they
> happen to be the taxpayers. Principals have a
> very public job and they know that every day.
Nicely put.
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> Another thing---my name has been up on this forum
> as well because I am a public employee. When you
> work for the taxpayers, nothing is "private" about
> your work. You know that when you take the job.
> The people who pay you are your employer and they
> happen to be the taxpayers. Principals have a
> very public job and they know that every day.
Nicely put.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
civic responsibility
()
Date: August 11, 2014 09:43PM
"Wrong. That is your problem. The taxpayers are not the employer. Perhaps that is where your logic is flawed. Apply it to any other tax funded position. Military? I am not the employer of any soldier. Do you employ the contractor who repairs a road? You are not in charge, barb."
" The taxpayers are not the employer."
Isn't the county the employer? And don't the taxpayers fund the county? If A=B and B=C, then does not A=C?
taxpayers fund the county
the county funds the employer
therefore the taxpayers fund the employer
And . . . thus the taxpayers have control over the employer (through their representatives of course). No taxation without representation.
The representatives, be they the school board or the U.S. Congress (in the case of the military) or the state legislature (in the case of the roads) are responsible to their constituents (the taxpayers). The representatives serve the citizens/taxpayers.
Barb knows she is not in charge (since her representative is the one who has the power), but she also knows she has some power as a voting and taxpaying constituent. She is not outside of bounds in asking her representatives to look into this matter. They can tell her no or ignore her or whatever, but she has a right to ask. This is how the democratic process works.
" The taxpayers are not the employer."
Isn't the county the employer? And don't the taxpayers fund the county? If A=B and B=C, then does not A=C?
taxpayers fund the county
the county funds the employer
therefore the taxpayers fund the employer
And . . . thus the taxpayers have control over the employer (through their representatives of course). No taxation without representation.
The representatives, be they the school board or the U.S. Congress (in the case of the military) or the state legislature (in the case of the roads) are responsible to their constituents (the taxpayers). The representatives serve the citizens/taxpayers.
Barb knows she is not in charge (since her representative is the one who has the power), but she also knows she has some power as a voting and taxpaying constituent. She is not outside of bounds in asking her representatives to look into this matter. They can tell her no or ignore her or whatever, but she has a right to ask. This is how the democratic process works.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
civics 101
()
Date: August 11, 2014 09:58PM
And our ultimate power is the vote. We can vote people in or out of office. We can refuse to vote for a meals tax (that pressure has already been successful in preventing it from going any further). We can put pressure on our officials in many ways. The taxpayers DO have power. In the end the soldier and the contractor are controlled through this process. Ask any contractor or soldier whether the government (AKA the people) controls what they do.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 12, 2014 08:52AM
Thank you, two civics people.
Anybody feeling a little pressured now that thousands of people know that you have been using public dollars to treat yourselves to fine restaurants, massages, inappropriately mismanaging EIGHT cash advances, etc.? I would hope so. Are you looking forward to an auditorium/school full of people in September who know you have been living it up at Pulcinella, Wildfire, Lansdowne, Harbourtowne, the Loews, the Hilton, forgetting to justify cash advances, and getting massages on Teacher Workdays instead of grading papers and having staff meetings like you said you were? Any other taxpayers wonder why public funds are being used to fund multiple golf outings? If you belong to an association, YOU belong to an association. And if they want to go golfing, that is YOUR problem, NOT OURS. Any School Board members getting e-mails from people that don't want their fees going for this garbage? Many of you are going to try to be re-elected in a couple of years. Good luck explaining some of this on the campaign trail. Maybe I'll be there with reports in hand.
MoCo SB cut up their county charge cards. I think they set an excellent example of responding to pressure from their constituents. I can name more than a few administrators who need to do that.
The taxpayers ARE the employer. If it weren't for them, there wouldn't be any money to pay the School Board and the school personnel. And don't ever forget that.
Line-dancing, anyone?
Anybody feeling a little pressured now that thousands of people know that you have been using public dollars to treat yourselves to fine restaurants, massages, inappropriately mismanaging EIGHT cash advances, etc.? I would hope so. Are you looking forward to an auditorium/school full of people in September who know you have been living it up at Pulcinella, Wildfire, Lansdowne, Harbourtowne, the Loews, the Hilton, forgetting to justify cash advances, and getting massages on Teacher Workdays instead of grading papers and having staff meetings like you said you were? Any other taxpayers wonder why public funds are being used to fund multiple golf outings? If you belong to an association, YOU belong to an association. And if they want to go golfing, that is YOUR problem, NOT OURS. Any School Board members getting e-mails from people that don't want their fees going for this garbage? Many of you are going to try to be re-elected in a couple of years. Good luck explaining some of this on the campaign trail. Maybe I'll be there with reports in hand.
MoCo SB cut up their county charge cards. I think they set an excellent example of responding to pressure from their constituents. I can name more than a few administrators who need to do that.
The taxpayers ARE the employer. If it weren't for them, there wouldn't be any money to pay the School Board and the school personnel. And don't ever forget that.
Line-dancing, anyone?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
taxpayer
()
Date: August 12, 2014 10:16AM
Principals only get 20% of parking fees to abuse, the rest goes to the county. Don't forget they get half of the vending machine money too! No accountability for these funds.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
youre getting sleepy
()
Date: August 12, 2014 10:23AM
Why don't you ask Gatehouse about the hypnotist that was hired to entertain the staff on a teacher work day at the school.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
what is bad
()
Date: August 12, 2014 11:19AM
The worst part of this (to me anyway) isn't even the money. It's the waste of time and the loss of the sense of mission. The mission becomes keeping people happy through appeals to their baser instincts. Why not appeal to their higher motivations for becoming educators? Why not help them to do a better job with the money? It's almost an insult to do this. Ask the teachers what they REALLY want that will help them with their jobs. I guarantee you that the first thing won't be a massage (and if it is, we really are in a mess and maybe we are).
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
disgusto
()
Date: August 12, 2014 11:42AM
I doubt any of the actual educators (teachers) see much of this money.
what is bad Wrote:
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> The worst part of this (to me anyway) isn't even
> the money. It's the waste of time and the loss of
> the sense of mission. The mission becomes keeping
> people happy through appeals to their baser
> instincts. Why not appeal to their higher
> motivations for becoming educators? Why not help
> them to do a better job with the money? It's
> almost an insult to do this. Ask the teachers
> what they REALLY want that will help them with
> their jobs. I guarantee you that the first thing
> won't be a massage (and if it is, we really are in
> a mess and maybe we are).
what is bad Wrote:
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> The worst part of this (to me anyway) isn't even
> the money. It's the waste of time and the loss of
> the sense of mission. The mission becomes keeping
> people happy through appeals to their baser
> instincts. Why not appeal to their higher
> motivations for becoming educators? Why not help
> them to do a better job with the money? It's
> almost an insult to do this. Ask the teachers
> what they REALLY want that will help them with
> their jobs. I guarantee you that the first thing
> won't be a massage (and if it is, we really are in
> a mess and maybe we are).
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 12, 2014 08:46PM
I asked to see justification for thousands of dollars of charges at Lake Braddock that weren't itemized. Here it is.
Good times.
Have at it.
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Good times.
Have at it.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Doughnut
()
Date: August 12, 2014 08:48PM
disgusto Wrote:
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> I doubt any of the actual educators (teachers)
> see much of this money.
>
> what is bad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The worst part of this (to me anyway) isn't
> even
> > the money. It's the waste of time and the loss
> of
> > the sense of mission. The mission becomes
> keeping
> > people happy through appeals to their baser
> > instincts. Why not appeal to their higher
> > motivations for becoming educators? Why not
> help
> > them to do a better job with the money? It's
> > almost an insult to do this. Ask the teachers
> > what they REALLY want that will help them with
> > their jobs. I guarantee you that the first
> thing
> > won't be a massage (and if it is, we really are
> in
> > a mess and maybe we are).
Actually, this is the only way to do something for the staff. It's called team building and taking care of staff who have not seen a salary increase for almost five years. If you think morale is bad now. Throw a doughnut and cup of coffee on the first day back and see what happens. In the big picture, the cost of treating 200 people like professionals is very little.
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> I doubt any of the actual educators (teachers)
> see much of this money.
>
> what is bad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The worst part of this (to me anyway) isn't
> even
> > the money. It's the waste of time and the loss
> of
> > the sense of mission. The mission becomes
> keeping
> > people happy through appeals to their baser
> > instincts. Why not appeal to their higher
> > motivations for becoming educators? Why not
> help
> > them to do a better job with the money? It's
> > almost an insult to do this. Ask the teachers
> > what they REALLY want that will help them with
> > their jobs. I guarantee you that the first
> thing
> > won't be a massage (and if it is, we really are
> in
> > a mess and maybe we are).
Actually, this is the only way to do something for the staff. It's called team building and taking care of staff who have not seen a salary increase for almost five years. If you think morale is bad now. Throw a doughnut and cup of coffee on the first day back and see what happens. In the big picture, the cost of treating 200 people like professionals is very little.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 12, 2014 08:50PM
what is bad Wrote:
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> The worst part of this (to me anyway) isn't even
> the money. It's the waste of time and the loss of
> the sense of mission. The mission becomes keeping
> people happy through appeals to their baser
> instincts. Why not appeal to their higher
> motivations for becoming educators? Why not help
> them to do a better job with the money? It's
> almost an insult to do this. Ask the teachers
> what they REALLY want that will help them with
> their jobs. I guarantee you that the first thing
> won't be a massage (and if it is, we really are in
> a mess and maybe we are).
You ARE really in a mess. That is why I am doing this. There are some major problems here. Nothing that can't be fixed, but this is a disaster.
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> The worst part of this (to me anyway) isn't even
> the money. It's the waste of time and the loss of
> the sense of mission. The mission becomes keeping
> people happy through appeals to their baser
> instincts. Why not appeal to their higher
> motivations for becoming educators? Why not help
> them to do a better job with the money? It's
> almost an insult to do this. Ask the teachers
> what they REALLY want that will help them with
> their jobs. I guarantee you that the first thing
> won't be a massage (and if it is, we really are in
> a mess and maybe we are).
You ARE really in a mess. That is why I am doing this. There are some major problems here. Nothing that can't be fixed, but this is a disaster.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 12, 2014 08:54PM
OK I know people don't want my opinion, but here it is anyway. Identify waste, fraud, and abuse. Like this kind of stuff. Stop it. NOW. Channel the time into things that help what is going on in the classroom. I don't think a soire on the Eastern Shore does much for the teacher in the classroom. They didn't get to go on the Sunset Cruise. Put the wasted money to work paying staff and providing them with the materials they need and want.
Thank you for what you all do for the children.
Thank you for what you all do for the children.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Spare me
()
Date: August 12, 2014 09:14PM
You say "Thank you what you all do for the children," yet you are bitching/grinding your ax about the shirts, meals, etc. that admin teams are providing teachers as morale builders in a time of crap raises. I agree SOME of the expenses for admin retreat stuff is questionable, but ease off on the spending on teachers. They deserve it. You are not the martyr you fancy yourself to be either.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
throw crumbs to the teachers
()
Date: August 12, 2014 09:27PM
"It's called team building and taking care of staff who have not seen a salary increase for almost five years. If you think morale is bad now. Throw a doughnut and cup of coffee on the first day back and see what happens. In the big picture, the cost of treating 200 people like professionals is very little."
I'm not sure I understand this post. All you have to do is give a donut and some coffee to the teachers and they will feel better? This is called "team building"? Well, I have nothing against coffee and donuts for teachers, but I'm not sure that they will suddenly feel like it compensates for five years of no salary increase.
I also agree that the admin. is benefiting the most from this parking money (in terms of the restaurant meals, hotels, golf outings, etc.). The teachers know about this and do think that they least they can get in these circumstances is a coffee or a Chipotle burrito.
I'm not sure I understand this post. All you have to do is give a donut and some coffee to the teachers and they will feel better? This is called "team building"? Well, I have nothing against coffee and donuts for teachers, but I'm not sure that they will suddenly feel like it compensates for five years of no salary increase.
I also agree that the admin. is benefiting the most from this parking money (in terms of the restaurant meals, hotels, golf outings, etc.). The teachers know about this and do think that they least they can get in these circumstances is a coffee or a Chipotle burrito.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
thanks
()
Date: August 12, 2014 09:33PM
""It's called team building and taking care of staff who have not seen a salary increase for almost five years."
Meanwhile teachers are spending their own money on supplies for their classrooms. But they get a donut.
Meanwhile teachers are spending their own money on supplies for their classrooms. But they get a donut.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 13, 2014 06:45AM
I am talking about having enough teachers and supplies in the classroom, NOT spending $12,000 on BBQ and having $3000 meetings with "working" steak dinners at luxury resorts. The money is going in the wrong direction.
Parents and teachers are constantly told increasing class sizes and cutting programs is the answer to money problems. Looking at what has been going on, think again. There is probably more from other accounts.
Maybe there should be a contest to submit suggestions for how to cut fraud, waste, and abuse. Have all the staff and whoever else turn in suggestions. I have seen several examples here, such as indiscriminate replacement of computer equipment.
Parents and teachers are constantly told increasing class sizes and cutting programs is the answer to money problems. Looking at what has been going on, think again. There is probably more from other accounts.
Maybe there should be a contest to submit suggestions for how to cut fraud, waste, and abuse. Have all the staff and whoever else turn in suggestions. I have seen several examples here, such as indiscriminate replacement of computer equipment.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
overall
()
Date: August 13, 2014 07:44AM
"There is probably more from other accounts."
I think that one of the problems is that money is "earmarked" for certain things like "technology" and must be spent that way. I am not 100% sure about this, but this is what people are told. For example, "you're getting a SMART Board whether you want it or not because the money has to be spent that way." Or, "yes, we have money, but it must be spent on "professional development" (which could be interpreted as "team building" I suppose). People will rationalize things in ways that get out of hand. Yes, it needs to be tightened up, but I'm sure some things have been legitimate.
I think that one of the problems is that money is "earmarked" for certain things like "technology" and must be spent that way. I am not 100% sure about this, but this is what people are told. For example, "you're getting a SMART Board whether you want it or not because the money has to be spent that way." Or, "yes, we have money, but it must be spent on "professional development" (which could be interpreted as "team building" I suppose). People will rationalize things in ways that get out of hand. Yes, it needs to be tightened up, but I'm sure some things have been legitimate.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
excuse me
()
Date: August 13, 2014 08:32AM
eagle eye Wrote:
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> Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmadison?!
I read the audit from 2012. How did over $2000 get issued to multiple staff members (including twice to the principal) for travel without any conference information or preapproval or travel request forms? The audit also says "upon returning from the conferences, no receipts or proof of purchases were given to the finance technician to reconcile the cash advances. For the eight cash advances it could not be determined where three of the conferences were held; therefore, it is unknown if a cash advance was appropriate or not. For the five stating a location, only one qualified for a cash advance, but the wrong amount was given."
How can there be that many instances of people "forgetting" to account for trip cash in one school. Were these people issued checks or cash? Somebody has to issue the checks or cash. How could anybody give cash to somebody just because they say they need it? Is the principal issuing cash to themself (they control the school bank accounts) and then "forgetting" to report what they have used it for?
This sounds very fishy.
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> Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmadison?!
I read the audit from 2012. How did over $2000 get issued to multiple staff members (including twice to the principal) for travel without any conference information or preapproval or travel request forms? The audit also says "upon returning from the conferences, no receipts or proof of purchases were given to the finance technician to reconcile the cash advances. For the eight cash advances it could not be determined where three of the conferences were held; therefore, it is unknown if a cash advance was appropriate or not. For the five stating a location, only one qualified for a cash advance, but the wrong amount was given."
How can there be that many instances of people "forgetting" to account for trip cash in one school. Were these people issued checks or cash? Somebody has to issue the checks or cash. How could anybody give cash to somebody just because they say they need it? Is the principal issuing cash to themself (they control the school bank accounts) and then "forgetting" to report what they have used it for?
This sounds very fishy.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Guilty pleasure
()
Date: August 13, 2014 08:50AM
Have been following this thread for sometime- it is my guilty pleasure! I'm a long-time FCPS employee. Not an administrator. Have often been amazed at some schools that appear to live large. My particular school is not one of these. Can shed some light on cash advances. Anyone who requests a cash advance has got to sign some documentation and upon return must provide a receipt for every single dime spent. The receipts must be itemized. They may not include charges for any liquor. Also if the person is buying something for the use of students such as club members they must cover the taxes if they have not received a tax exempt code. I know that all the receipts are checked when what the audit is done at the school every year. That's why it's puzzling to me how the large expenses at resorts were not questioned unless they did comply with the procedures. I happen to know people at the school where the massages were offered on a work day. Let's shed some light on that. They certainly were not full-body massages. The administration hired a person to come in with a massage chair and people had their neck and shoulders kneaded. Gross! I think this thread gets off-track when people center on the massages as well as public employees not deserving perks. I know that government workers and people working the Pentagon often get treats at meetings. So let's stop that discussion as to whether anyone is worth a burrito. I think it is useful however to point out that some administrative teams are living large at the expense of others and that sets a rotten example.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
how it is
()
Date: August 13, 2014 09:34AM
^If anyone is getting "treats" at the Pentagon (on government money), that needs to be checked out. I am pretty sure those "treats" are things that the employees chip in on. Those are the federal rules and they are pretty strictly enforced. Also, saying that other people are doing it does not make it "right" for FCPS to do.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
correction
()
Date: August 13, 2014 09:43AM
" I think it is useful however to point out that some administrative teams are living large at the expense of others and that sets a rotten example."
Correction: Some are living large at the expense of taxpayers and students (and the community at large) and that sets an unethical example.
Coffee for all staff (as a one time thing)---yes. Expensive meals and outings for "certain staff"---no. Is that so hard to figure out? It makes you wonder about their judgement on other issues that are probably way more important in the grand scheme. No wonder they keep shuffling them around.
Correction: Some are living large at the expense of taxpayers and students (and the community at large) and that sets an unethical example.
Coffee for all staff (as a one time thing)---yes. Expensive meals and outings for "certain staff"---no. Is that so hard to figure out? It makes you wonder about their judgement on other issues that are probably way more important in the grand scheme. No wonder they keep shuffling them around.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
this
()
Date: August 13, 2014 01:02PM
thanks Wrote:
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> ""It's called team building and taking care of
> staff who have not seen a salary increase for
> almost five years."
>
>
> Meanwhile teachers are spending their own money on
> supplies for their classrooms. But they get a
> donut.
This is the way I see it. I've been in a lot of these high schools and I see many little things that a small amount of money would fix. Peeling paint, cracking walls, broken fixtures, landscaping issues, and numerous other cosmetic, supply and storage shortages/problems. With these large amounts of money coming through I wonder why none of it is being applied to such things. Or maybe it is and we are not seeing or understanding it.
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> ""It's called team building and taking care of
> staff who have not seen a salary increase for
> almost five years."
>
>
> Meanwhile teachers are spending their own money on
> supplies for their classrooms. But they get a
> donut.
This is the way I see it. I've been in a lot of these high schools and I see many little things that a small amount of money would fix. Peeling paint, cracking walls, broken fixtures, landscaping issues, and numerous other cosmetic, supply and storage shortages/problems. With these large amounts of money coming through I wonder why none of it is being applied to such things. Or maybe it is and we are not seeing or understanding it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
agree
()
Date: August 13, 2014 01:15PM
"This is the way I see it. I've been in a lot of these high schools and I see many little things that a small amount of money would fix. Peeling paint, cracking walls, broken fixtures, landscaping issues, and numerous other cosmetic, supply and storage shortages/problems. With these large amounts of money coming through I wonder why none of it is being applied to such things. Or maybe it is and we are not seeing or understanding it."
^This. This is what is causing morale problems. It's hard to understand the surplus and the "goodies" when anyone can look around and see these issues. Obviously they can't all be taken care of, but why is there so much money to be had for "extras" when there are clearly more basic issues that are not being taken care of. Nero is fiddling while Rome is burning.
^This. This is what is causing morale problems. It's hard to understand the surplus and the "goodies" when anyone can look around and see these issues. Obviously they can't all be taken care of, but why is there so much money to be had for "extras" when there are clearly more basic issues that are not being taken care of. Nero is fiddling while Rome is burning.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
excuse me
()
Date: August 13, 2014 01:15PM
Guilty pleasure Wrote:
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> Have been following this thread for sometime- it
> is my guilty pleasure! I'm a long-time FCPS
> employee. Not an administrator. Have often been
> amazed at some schools that appear to live large.
> My particular school is not one of these. Can shed
> some light on cash advances. Anyone who requests a
> cash advance has got to sign some documentation
> and upon return must provide a receipt for every
> single dime spent. The receipts must be itemized.
> They may not include charges for any liquor. Also
> if the person is buying something for the use of
> students such as club members they must cover the
> taxes if they have not received a tax exempt code.
> I know that all the receipts are checked when what
> the audit is done at the school every year. That's
> why it's puzzling to me how the large expenses at
> resorts were not questioned unless they did comply
> with the procedures. I happen to know people at
> the school where the massages were offered on a
> work day. Let's shed some light on that. They
> certainly were not full-body massages. The
> administration hired a person to come in with a
> massage chair and people had their neck and
> shoulders kneaded. Gross! I think this thread gets
> off-track when people center on the massages as
> well as public employees not deserving perks. I
> know that government workers and people working
> the Pentagon often get treats at meetings. So
> let's stop that discussion as to whether anyone is
> worth a burrito. I think it is useful however to
> point out that some administrative teams are
> living large at the expense of others and that
> sets a rotten example.
The audit says that there weren't any supporting receipts for the eight cash advances. It sounds like the audit closed and this was still being fixed. Even the preliminary cash procedures were not in place. HOW did these people all get their cash? Who can release cash? Can a finance tech alone issue cash? I thought a principal had to sign all checks and approve release of funds. This is just strange. It is right there in the audit. If there were eight instances on just this audit, what about all the other years....
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> Have been following this thread for sometime- it
> is my guilty pleasure! I'm a long-time FCPS
> employee. Not an administrator. Have often been
> amazed at some schools that appear to live large.
> My particular school is not one of these. Can shed
> some light on cash advances. Anyone who requests a
> cash advance has got to sign some documentation
> and upon return must provide a receipt for every
> single dime spent. The receipts must be itemized.
> They may not include charges for any liquor. Also
> if the person is buying something for the use of
> students such as club members they must cover the
> taxes if they have not received a tax exempt code.
> I know that all the receipts are checked when what
> the audit is done at the school every year. That's
> why it's puzzling to me how the large expenses at
> resorts were not questioned unless they did comply
> with the procedures. I happen to know people at
> the school where the massages were offered on a
> work day. Let's shed some light on that. They
> certainly were not full-body massages. The
> administration hired a person to come in with a
> massage chair and people had their neck and
> shoulders kneaded. Gross! I think this thread gets
> off-track when people center on the massages as
> well as public employees not deserving perks. I
> know that government workers and people working
> the Pentagon often get treats at meetings. So
> let's stop that discussion as to whether anyone is
> worth a burrito. I think it is useful however to
> point out that some administrative teams are
> living large at the expense of others and that
> sets a rotten example.
The audit says that there weren't any supporting receipts for the eight cash advances. It sounds like the audit closed and this was still being fixed. Even the preliminary cash procedures were not in place. HOW did these people all get their cash? Who can release cash? Can a finance tech alone issue cash? I thought a principal had to sign all checks and approve release of funds. This is just strange. It is right there in the audit. If there were eight instances on just this audit, what about all the other years....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
bacchanalia
()
Date: August 13, 2014 01:28PM
I don't care what was massaged or how it was done. The whole thing sounds ridiculous. I don't think there are any taxpayer funded massages at the Pentagon unless there is a chiropractor or physical therapist in the medical unit or there is some hanky panky going on during duty hours.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
interested reader
()
Date: August 13, 2014 01:49PM
A point of clarification.
There are two "pots" of money available to schools.
The largest pot of money is the appropriated money. This is the money the School Board allocates to each school for staffing and supplies.
There are also local school activity funds at each school. These are primarily student-generated funds, but donations, retained fees, etc. are also included.
There are state and FCPS regulations regarding the expenditure of all funds.
What you are complaining about is an account within local school activity funds.
Schools are not permitted to use their local school money to "buy" additional staff/teachers for their schools.
There are two "pots" of money available to schools.
The largest pot of money is the appropriated money. This is the money the School Board allocates to each school for staffing and supplies.
There are also local school activity funds at each school. These are primarily student-generated funds, but donations, retained fees, etc. are also included.
There are state and FCPS regulations regarding the expenditure of all funds.
What you are complaining about is an account within local school activity funds.
Schools are not permitted to use their local school money to "buy" additional staff/teachers for their schools.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
excuse me
()
Date: August 13, 2014 01:50PM
"Six [cash] advances were provided without preapproval from the principal and two were provided to the principal without preapproval from the cluster assistant superintendent [which is required]. All eight cash advances lacked the proper travel request forms and conference information which would indicate where the conferences were being held and if they provided any meals." Did these people just come up with an amount and get cash? Who released the cash or check and how were these amounts computed? This is fishy. My agency would never allow this.
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Posted by:
wart hog
()
Date: August 13, 2014 02:05PM
interested reader Wrote:
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> A point of clarification.
>
> There are two "pots" of money available to
> schools.
>
> The largest pot of money is the appropriated
> money. This is the money the School Board
> allocates to each school for staffing and
> supplies.
>
> There are also local school activity funds at each
> school. These are primarily student-generated
> funds, but donations, retained fees, etc. are also
> included.
>
> There are state and FCPS regulations regarding the
> expenditure of all funds.
>
> What you are complaining about is an account
> within local school activity funds.
>
> Schools are not permitted to use their local
> school money to "buy" additional staff/teachers
> for their schools.
Valid points, but it is still govt money, is it not?
If they can't think of something more educational to do with this money than buying 400 donuts and going to the Country Clubs then maybe they need to quit collecting it.
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> A point of clarification.
>
> There are two "pots" of money available to
> schools.
>
> The largest pot of money is the appropriated
> money. This is the money the School Board
> allocates to each school for staffing and
> supplies.
>
> There are also local school activity funds at each
> school. These are primarily student-generated
> funds, but donations, retained fees, etc. are also
> included.
>
> There are state and FCPS regulations regarding the
> expenditure of all funds.
>
> What you are complaining about is an account
> within local school activity funds.
>
> Schools are not permitted to use their local
> school money to "buy" additional staff/teachers
> for their schools.
Valid points, but it is still govt money, is it not?
If they can't think of something more educational to do with this money than buying 400 donuts and going to the Country Clubs then maybe they need to quit collecting it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 13, 2014 02:57PM
Dear Interested Reader-
When I pointed out that the $100,000 that Oakton spent on restaurants over 3-4 years could have paid two teachers, I was giving some perspective. That is one heck of a lot of money.
Langley DID use ECA money to pay for choral accompaniment at $40 at hour. See pages 1-4 on the attachment. Total of $8610 on this transfer form. That is staff and that is direct classroom support. I don't know if Central considers this appropriate but I would certainly rather see this than two or three Admins. It is very hard if not impossible to lead a chorus and play piano at the same time all the time. I noticed the big number on an older ECA and asked for the supporting documents.
Attachments:
When I pointed out that the $100,000 that Oakton spent on restaurants over 3-4 years could have paid two teachers, I was giving some perspective. That is one heck of a lot of money.
Langley DID use ECA money to pay for choral accompaniment at $40 at hour. See pages 1-4 on the attachment. Total of $8610 on this transfer form. That is staff and that is direct classroom support. I don't know if Central considers this appropriate but I would certainly rather see this than two or three Admins. It is very hard if not impossible to lead a chorus and play piano at the same time all the time. I noticed the big number on an older ECA and asked for the supporting documents.
Attachments:
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
zinger
()
Date: August 13, 2014 03:36PM
the facts Wrote:
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> Dear Interested Reader-
>
>
> When I pointed out that the $100,000 that Oakton
> spent on restaurants over 3-4 years could have
> paid two teachers, I was giving some perspective.
> That is one heck of a lot of money.
>
> Langley DID use ECA money to pay for choral
> accompaniment at $40 at hour. See pages 1-4 on the
> attachment. Total of $8610 on this transfer form.
> That is staff and that is direct classroom
> support. I don't know if Central considers this
> appropriate but I would certainly rather see this
> than two or three Admins. It is very hard if not
> impossible to lead a chorus and play piano at the
> same time all the time. I noticed the big number
> on an older ECA and asked for the supporting
> documents.
Standing ovation. Bravo.
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> Dear Interested Reader-
>
>
> When I pointed out that the $100,000 that Oakton
> spent on restaurants over 3-4 years could have
> paid two teachers, I was giving some perspective.
> That is one heck of a lot of money.
>
> Langley DID use ECA money to pay for choral
> accompaniment at $40 at hour. See pages 1-4 on the
> attachment. Total of $8610 on this transfer form.
> That is staff and that is direct classroom
> support. I don't know if Central considers this
> appropriate but I would certainly rather see this
> than two or three Admins. It is very hard if not
> impossible to lead a chorus and play piano at the
> same time all the time. I noticed the big number
> on an older ECA and asked for the supporting
> documents.
Standing ovation. Bravo.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Interested reader
()
Date: August 13, 2014 05:20PM
I am not disagreeing with you that a lot of money was spent on restaurants in your example.
I was trying to clarify for the average citizen that there are different sources of funding for the schools.
A few more points.
The information you ask for in a FOIA request is compiled by staff at the specific school, not someone at Gatehouse. Someone at Gatehouse forwards the request to the school and the school sends the records to that person at Gatehouse. Pulling the requested records has to be done in addition to the normal duties of supporting teachers and students, probably after the completion of normal work duties, resulting in overtime costs.
As you know, 85% of fees are not kept at the school level. They are remitted to the school system. But what accounts do they go to and how is that money spent? Schools are told the money goes to the "general fund", but are never told just what that means. For example, wouldn't it make sense that 85% of the parking fees go towards purchasing or maintaining buses?
A school only gets half of the profits from vending machines; the other half goes to Food and Nutrition Services, who stock the machines and collect the monies in those machines. Teachers and staff use the vending machines too, not just students. Why shouldn't a portion of vending machine profits be available for the benefit of staff and be put into the ECA account?
The account you are focusing on has had different names over the years. Perhaps it should go back to being called a "discretionary account", but regardless of what it is called, there are regulations and guidelines that pertain to how the account can be funded and how the funds can be used.
Teachers work untold hours off contract. There has been virtually no increase in take-home pay for 5-7 years (and for many there has been a decrease in take home pay). To begrudge reasonably priced meals a couple times a year, or donuts and bagels given as treats a few times a year to a group of public servants and dedicated professionals is abhorrent.
When scrutinizing what has been spent on food, one needs to look at how many people were fed. For example, on the surface $1200 for pizza looks extravagant. But if it is a secondary school with 400 staff members, that amounts to $3 a person, which is reasonable. However, if it was for a group of 50 it would not be.
No doubt some schools could and should be less extravagant in their expenditures from this account. And it seems that there are some principals who have used poor judgement in how those funds have been spent.
I was trying to clarify for the average citizen that there are different sources of funding for the schools.
A few more points.
The information you ask for in a FOIA request is compiled by staff at the specific school, not someone at Gatehouse. Someone at Gatehouse forwards the request to the school and the school sends the records to that person at Gatehouse. Pulling the requested records has to be done in addition to the normal duties of supporting teachers and students, probably after the completion of normal work duties, resulting in overtime costs.
As you know, 85% of fees are not kept at the school level. They are remitted to the school system. But what accounts do they go to and how is that money spent? Schools are told the money goes to the "general fund", but are never told just what that means. For example, wouldn't it make sense that 85% of the parking fees go towards purchasing or maintaining buses?
A school only gets half of the profits from vending machines; the other half goes to Food and Nutrition Services, who stock the machines and collect the monies in those machines. Teachers and staff use the vending machines too, not just students. Why shouldn't a portion of vending machine profits be available for the benefit of staff and be put into the ECA account?
The account you are focusing on has had different names over the years. Perhaps it should go back to being called a "discretionary account", but regardless of what it is called, there are regulations and guidelines that pertain to how the account can be funded and how the funds can be used.
Teachers work untold hours off contract. There has been virtually no increase in take-home pay for 5-7 years (and for many there has been a decrease in take home pay). To begrudge reasonably priced meals a couple times a year, or donuts and bagels given as treats a few times a year to a group of public servants and dedicated professionals is abhorrent.
When scrutinizing what has been spent on food, one needs to look at how many people were fed. For example, on the surface $1200 for pizza looks extravagant. But if it is a secondary school with 400 staff members, that amounts to $3 a person, which is reasonable. However, if it was for a group of 50 it would not be.
No doubt some schools could and should be less extravagant in their expenditures from this account. And it seems that there are some principals who have used poor judgement in how those funds have been spent.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Teacher responding
()
Date: August 13, 2014 05:29PM
what is bad Wrote:
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> The worst part of this (to me anyway) isn't even
> the money. It's the waste of time and the loss of
> the sense of mission. The mission becomes keeping
> people happy through appeals to their baser
> instincts. Why not appeal to their higher
> motivations for becoming educators? Why not help
> them to do a better job with the money? It's
> almost an insult to do this. Ask the teachers
> what they REALLY want that will help them with
> their jobs. I guarantee you that the first thing
> won't be a massage (and if it is, we really are in
> a mess and maybe we are).
Here's what I would prefer to backrubs and T-shirts: #1: an appropriate raise. #2. more teachers so we can actually spend more time/energy per student. #3. Less educational reform hoops so we can focus on actual teaching.
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> The worst part of this (to me anyway) isn't even
> the money. It's the waste of time and the loss of
> the sense of mission. The mission becomes keeping
> people happy through appeals to their baser
> instincts. Why not appeal to their higher
> motivations for becoming educators? Why not help
> them to do a better job with the money? It's
> almost an insult to do this. Ask the teachers
> what they REALLY want that will help them with
> their jobs. I guarantee you that the first thing
> won't be a massage (and if it is, we really are in
> a mess and maybe we are).
Here's what I would prefer to backrubs and T-shirts: #1: an appropriate raise. #2. more teachers so we can actually spend more time/energy per student. #3. Less educational reform hoops so we can focus on actual teaching.
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Posted by:
who gets OT pay?
()
Date: August 13, 2014 05:53PM
" Pulling the requested records has to be done in addition to the normal duties of supporting teachers and students, probably after the completion of normal work duties, resulting in overtime costs."
I have never ever heard of overtime in FCPS. Is this even a possibility?
I also would not think that these computerized records would be hard to "pull". They should have these records pretty much at a few keystrokes and be able to send them to Gatehouse electronically. The rest of the world transfers records very quickly these days.
I have never ever heard of overtime in FCPS. Is this even a possibility?
I also would not think that these computerized records would be hard to "pull". They should have these records pretty much at a few keystrokes and be able to send them to Gatehouse electronically. The rest of the world transfers records very quickly these days.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 13, 2014 05:59PM
Dear Interested Reader-
If people don't like dealing with FOIA then I suggest cleaning up what they are doing so that there is less reason to FOIA. The other option is to go into a private school. If you want sympathy, you are barking up the wrong tree. This is a mess of a situation and I will FOIA whatever I think is appropriate.
There is something about using vending machine profits from machines in staff lounges to go into a staff account. I will find it when I have time.
I have seen no regulations or guidelines about how this fund can be used other than "whatever the principal feels is appropriate" as well as the general "in the interest of the student body etc. etc. etc." in the beginning of the 5810. As far as I can tell, local meals for staff are not covered. If you are working outside of school hours, and don't receive a salary supplement, you are to be paid $11.50 and then you make your own arrangements. Either that, or you get mileage. If you are on non-local travel, you get GSA per diem. The travel regulations specify no meals on the county charge cards. Somebody needs to make a decision about all these $4000 meals, admins, etc. I know all about the cost of catered parties and pizza for 300. So, somebody with a lot of clout needs to evaluate the local and state laws and ethical considerations and put out something very specific in writing. Changing the name of the fund is not the answer.
The gifts and flowers are supposed to be bought out of a staff fund. That is made very clear. This isn't a staff fund.
Everybody who works on salary has problems with work outside of specific hours. That is no excuse to spent $12,000 on BBQ unless things are specifically written that way to protect the Administration.
If people don't like dealing with FOIA then I suggest cleaning up what they are doing so that there is less reason to FOIA. The other option is to go into a private school. If you want sympathy, you are barking up the wrong tree. This is a mess of a situation and I will FOIA whatever I think is appropriate.
There is something about using vending machine profits from machines in staff lounges to go into a staff account. I will find it when I have time.
I have seen no regulations or guidelines about how this fund can be used other than "whatever the principal feels is appropriate" as well as the general "in the interest of the student body etc. etc. etc." in the beginning of the 5810. As far as I can tell, local meals for staff are not covered. If you are working outside of school hours, and don't receive a salary supplement, you are to be paid $11.50 and then you make your own arrangements. Either that, or you get mileage. If you are on non-local travel, you get GSA per diem. The travel regulations specify no meals on the county charge cards. Somebody needs to make a decision about all these $4000 meals, admins, etc. I know all about the cost of catered parties and pizza for 300. So, somebody with a lot of clout needs to evaluate the local and state laws and ethical considerations and put out something very specific in writing. Changing the name of the fund is not the answer.
The gifts and flowers are supposed to be bought out of a staff fund. That is made very clear. This isn't a staff fund.
Everybody who works on salary has problems with work outside of specific hours. That is no excuse to spent $12,000 on BBQ unless things are specifically written that way to protect the Administration.
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Posted by:
Interested reader
()
Date: August 13, 2014 06:07PM
Yes, anyone who is a US-19 and below is entitled to overtime pay according to FLSA laws.
None of the records being requested are computerized.
All the records being requested are hand written and in files maintained at each school (purchase orders, receipts,etc.). You can see in previous posts that the records are hand-written. These are the records that are audited yearly.
The accounting system used by schools is computerized.
None of the records being requested are computerized.
All the records being requested are hand written and in files maintained at each school (purchase orders, receipts,etc.). You can see in previous posts that the records are hand-written. These are the records that are audited yearly.
The accounting system used by schools is computerized.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Interested reader
()
Date: August 13, 2014 06:54PM
Dear the facts,
I am not complaining, nor asking for sympathy. I am simply telling you how a FOIA request is handled.
Private school? No thanks! Can only imagine what goes on there where there are no financial regulations in place.
It would be ideal if the portion of staff vending machine profits went to the staff. However, when the monies are collected by Food Services, the money is not separated and accounted for by machine location within a school building; all the money gets put into one money bag. So all the school gets is an email with a lump sum listed as the school's share. More detail in the reporting of vending machine profits would be most welcome.
Not every school has a staff account. Some schools have a social committee which collects and maintains money in a separate bank account. Joining the social committee is optional.
Regulation 5810 is currently being revised and has been for over a year.
I am in agreement with you that there needs to be more specifics as to how funds in this account may spent, and vague language clarified. Requests for more specific guidelines have been made for some time. Perhaps now they will be coming sooner rather than later!
FOIA away, it is your right. The school system is pushing transparency, and that is the way it should be.
I am not complaining, nor asking for sympathy. I am simply telling you how a FOIA request is handled.
Private school? No thanks! Can only imagine what goes on there where there are no financial regulations in place.
It would be ideal if the portion of staff vending machine profits went to the staff. However, when the monies are collected by Food Services, the money is not separated and accounted for by machine location within a school building; all the money gets put into one money bag. So all the school gets is an email with a lump sum listed as the school's share. More detail in the reporting of vending machine profits would be most welcome.
Not every school has a staff account. Some schools have a social committee which collects and maintains money in a separate bank account. Joining the social committee is optional.
Regulation 5810 is currently being revised and has been for over a year.
I am in agreement with you that there needs to be more specifics as to how funds in this account may spent, and vague language clarified. Requests for more specific guidelines have been made for some time. Perhaps now they will be coming sooner rather than later!
FOIA away, it is your right. The school system is pushing transparency, and that is the way it should be.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Jeff Spicolli
()
Date: August 13, 2014 07:09PM
I did my time at Robinson and walked a free man in the class of 1992. It was either my Senior Year or Junior Year the parking pass fees became a major issue. We had a huge group of students walk out at lunch and protest in the parking lot to the point where one of the local News Channels sent out a camara crew that filmed it but was reminded they couldent come on the property with out an approval. Surely some of the people on here recall it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 13, 2014 07:54PM
Dear Interested Reader-
I am staying out of overtime discussions. It isn't a blanket permission to empty out the ECA account on parties. Don't pull that on me. You obviously work for the school system. Every single meeting, collaboration Wednesday, etc. doesn't have to be a party. You people work for the government.
Reg 5810 page 31 ECA money can be used for meals for staff on travel paid out of ECA funds and some other limits. This obviously is a very limited provision and is supposed to be used very, very carefully. This is NOT a blank check to throw a $4000 party 2-4 times a year and make great big Santini and Corner Bakery runs twice a week, take 10 Admin people out to dinner at Artie's, etc. The GSA per diem rates would have to be looked at depending on the trip. Common sense also has to be factored in. This also needs to be looked at in relation to 5310 page 3 mileage or $11.50 for a meal as long as you are not receiving salary supplement. Coaches, music teachers, yearbook sponsors, and lots of other staff receive the supplement. So, no meal supplement for them. This is current.
Reg 5810 page 37 Gifts to staff is discouraged and is only supposed to be under exceptional circumstances. Bereavement and retirement gifts and flowers, etc., are supposed to be bought out of a staff/faculty account. See Sunshine Fund (brand new Reg. 5120). That is a staff/faculty account and the funds are supposed to be separate from the school accounts, but there is a conflict between the 5810 and the 5120. The 5810 is an older version and needs to be updated badly. Beach towels, beach bags, coasters, and you might be able to even put meals in here, etc. are gifts. You also need to look at some of the clothing that is being bought. Many, many thousands are being spent at some of the schools. We love your staff but the rules are the rules. I ran a government agency Sunshine Fund for years. It is even written that participation is voluntary. When I ran my fund we voted and decided that if you elected not to participate it was with the understanding that if something happened to you that you did not receive anything. That was your choice. You are probably talking $10-$20 a staff member per year to keep this running. So, skip Starbucks a few days.
There is a lot more than a little luncheon twice a year and a few boxes of bagels going on. There are regular runs and deliveries amounting to tens of thousands of dollars at some of these schools. This escalates very quickly. YOU ARE TRYING TO FEED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. You can't afford that and you don't have to do that. The ECA is NOT a staff/faculty account. "Contingency" means an unexpected educational need. I don't consider dinner at Morton's to fall into that category. I also don't consider a Sunset Cruise, a "working" steak dinner at the Hollywood Casino, Admins, etc. etc. an educational emergency. Nobody else I know does either.
I suggest you computerize the records/scan things in/whatever. If you just put generic notations in the accounting data you are asking for FOIA. NO WHINING. You might as well give up complaining about FOIA. I taught the whole school system and your lawyers what public records were. I know what my rights are and I pay all my fees.
I have caught stuff your auditors (both internal and external) miss more than once, so nice try on that.
If you want to continue to spend thousands of dollars on parties, Admins, swanky restaurants, etc. etc. etc. you need to set up a Staff Party Account or something and have some very specific guidelines. No pity parties. No whining. GET IT IN WRITING. Update your regulations. NOW.
And tell whoever totally screwed up the cash advances at Madison to get it together before somebody gets arrested. Somebody else is really interested in this.
Look at the bright side- Your staff should have a lot more time to do their jobs if they don't party so much. Going Dutch is what the rest of the government peons do, and that is what most of you all are.
Blunt is my middle name. Have a nice evening and thank you for your hard work.
I am staying out of overtime discussions. It isn't a blanket permission to empty out the ECA account on parties. Don't pull that on me. You obviously work for the school system. Every single meeting, collaboration Wednesday, etc. doesn't have to be a party. You people work for the government.
Reg 5810 page 31 ECA money can be used for meals for staff on travel paid out of ECA funds and some other limits. This obviously is a very limited provision and is supposed to be used very, very carefully. This is NOT a blank check to throw a $4000 party 2-4 times a year and make great big Santini and Corner Bakery runs twice a week, take 10 Admin people out to dinner at Artie's, etc. The GSA per diem rates would have to be looked at depending on the trip. Common sense also has to be factored in. This also needs to be looked at in relation to 5310 page 3 mileage or $11.50 for a meal as long as you are not receiving salary supplement. Coaches, music teachers, yearbook sponsors, and lots of other staff receive the supplement. So, no meal supplement for them. This is current.
Reg 5810 page 37 Gifts to staff is discouraged and is only supposed to be under exceptional circumstances. Bereavement and retirement gifts and flowers, etc., are supposed to be bought out of a staff/faculty account. See Sunshine Fund (brand new Reg. 5120). That is a staff/faculty account and the funds are supposed to be separate from the school accounts, but there is a conflict between the 5810 and the 5120. The 5810 is an older version and needs to be updated badly. Beach towels, beach bags, coasters, and you might be able to even put meals in here, etc. are gifts. You also need to look at some of the clothing that is being bought. Many, many thousands are being spent at some of the schools. We love your staff but the rules are the rules. I ran a government agency Sunshine Fund for years. It is even written that participation is voluntary. When I ran my fund we voted and decided that if you elected not to participate it was with the understanding that if something happened to you that you did not receive anything. That was your choice. You are probably talking $10-$20 a staff member per year to keep this running. So, skip Starbucks a few days.
There is a lot more than a little luncheon twice a year and a few boxes of bagels going on. There are regular runs and deliveries amounting to tens of thousands of dollars at some of these schools. This escalates very quickly. YOU ARE TRYING TO FEED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. You can't afford that and you don't have to do that. The ECA is NOT a staff/faculty account. "Contingency" means an unexpected educational need. I don't consider dinner at Morton's to fall into that category. I also don't consider a Sunset Cruise, a "working" steak dinner at the Hollywood Casino, Admins, etc. etc. an educational emergency. Nobody else I know does either.
I suggest you computerize the records/scan things in/whatever. If you just put generic notations in the accounting data you are asking for FOIA. NO WHINING. You might as well give up complaining about FOIA. I taught the whole school system and your lawyers what public records were. I know what my rights are and I pay all my fees.
I have caught stuff your auditors (both internal and external) miss more than once, so nice try on that.
If you want to continue to spend thousands of dollars on parties, Admins, swanky restaurants, etc. etc. etc. you need to set up a Staff Party Account or something and have some very specific guidelines. No pity parties. No whining. GET IT IN WRITING. Update your regulations. NOW.
And tell whoever totally screwed up the cash advances at Madison to get it together before somebody gets arrested. Somebody else is really interested in this.
Look at the bright side- Your staff should have a lot more time to do their jobs if they don't party so much. Going Dutch is what the rest of the government peons do, and that is what most of you all are.
Blunt is my middle name. Have a nice evening and thank you for your hard work.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
FCPS teacher 2
()
Date: August 13, 2014 09:10PM
I have been a teacher for FCPS for almost 20 years. I wish the administration would spend this money on paper (we run out at least once a year and have to wait weeks for copy paper) and working copiers (one working copier for 200 staff members is not acceptable).
Those two things would go a long way toward improving teacher morale. Lower class sizes and a raise would be great but parking fees won't cover that. Improving working conditions would be a lot more beneficial to teachers than cruises and expensive suites for admins. Most teachers have no idea of the kind of money admin is spending on dinners, hotels, and golf. As far as conferences that admins attend, those just result in more buzzwords for admins to use at meetings and a ton of busy work for the teachers with no benefit to students.
Those two things would go a long way toward improving teacher morale. Lower class sizes and a raise would be great but parking fees won't cover that. Improving working conditions would be a lot more beneficial to teachers than cruises and expensive suites for admins. Most teachers have no idea of the kind of money admin is spending on dinners, hotels, and golf. As far as conferences that admins attend, those just result in more buzzwords for admins to use at meetings and a ton of busy work for the teachers with no benefit to students.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
finance officer fcps
()
Date: August 13, 2014 10:47PM
This is such a bullshit response from someone who has control over the money. absolutely this money could be spent for the classroom or for positions--total bs
interested reader Wrote:
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> A point of clarification.
>
> There are two "pots" of money available to
> schools.
>
> The largest pot of money is the appropriated
> money. This is the money the School Board
> allocates to each school for staffing and
> supplies.
>
> There are also local school activity funds at each
> school. These are primarily student-generated
> funds, but donations, retained fees, etc. are also
> included.
>
> There are state and FCPS regulations regarding the
> expenditure of all funds.
>
> What you are complaining about is an account
> within local school activity funds.
>
> Schools are not permitted to use their local
> school money to "buy" additional staff/teachers
> for their schools.
interested reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A point of clarification.
>
> There are two "pots" of money available to
> schools.
>
> The largest pot of money is the appropriated
> money. This is the money the School Board
> allocates to each school for staffing and
> supplies.
>
> There are also local school activity funds at each
> school. These are primarily student-generated
> funds, but donations, retained fees, etc. are also
> included.
>
> There are state and FCPS regulations regarding the
> expenditure of all funds.
>
> What you are complaining about is an account
> within local school activity funds.
>
> Schools are not permitted to use their local
> school money to "buy" additional staff/teachers
> for their schools.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Interested reader
()
Date: August 13, 2014 10:55PM
Dear The Facts,
Please re-read my last two paragraphs. I am not arguing with you. You make valid points. What you have found going on in some schools IS cause for concern.
People need to be held accountable for poor decisions and expenditures they authorize and make.
The school board needs to quickly put in place stronger regulations and guidelines. And this needs to be a priority.
The majority of school system employees I know (teachers and school support staff) are hard-working public servants who believe in giving the taxpayers what they expect and pay for, a full day of work each day. They take pride in carrying out their job duties responsibly, and have high ethics. Your comment of "Your staff should have a lot more time to do their jobs if they don't party so much" is insulting to those employees. They do not deserve to be lumped into the same category as those who have made extravagant expenditures.
I believe the majority of your comments should be directed to those who have made the expenditures and to those at Gatehouse who make computerization decisions. They are they decision-makers in the system.
Please re-read my last two paragraphs. I am not arguing with you. You make valid points. What you have found going on in some schools IS cause for concern.
People need to be held accountable for poor decisions and expenditures they authorize and make.
The school board needs to quickly put in place stronger regulations and guidelines. And this needs to be a priority.
The majority of school system employees I know (teachers and school support staff) are hard-working public servants who believe in giving the taxpayers what they expect and pay for, a full day of work each day. They take pride in carrying out their job duties responsibly, and have high ethics. Your comment of "Your staff should have a lot more time to do their jobs if they don't party so much" is insulting to those employees. They do not deserve to be lumped into the same category as those who have made extravagant expenditures.
I believe the majority of your comments should be directed to those who have made the expenditures and to those at Gatehouse who make computerization decisions. They are they decision-makers in the system.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Thanks to interested reader
()
Date: August 14, 2014 07:20AM
Your sensible comments are much appreciated! Although "the facts" has done a great deal of work on her own time and with her own dime to uncover questionable spending, her continual slams against teachers and other Fairfax County employees is intolerable as well as her scantimonious "holier than thou attitude." All the good work she may have done appears to be a mean spirited witchhunt and undermines her investigation. She is a fool to belittle and marginalize posters whom she thinks are FCPS employees as they know far more than she about practices at their schools and others. And unless she has actually worked for local, state, or national government to include the military she should not keep saying all of their snacks and luncheons and farewell gifts are from employee funded "sunshine funds" because they are not. It was refreshing to read the "interested reader" comments. Yes, the discretionary fund spending now called ECA needs to be reviewed. That is a solid fact.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Interested reader
()
Date: August 14, 2014 07:53AM
Dear Thanks to Interested Reader,
Thank you.
Thank you.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 14, 2014 08:22AM
Dear Interested Reader-
I have said over and over that I know your staff work hard and thanked them several times. Has anybody thought about the amount of time that is spent on organizing, ordering, picking up, enjoying, and distributing hundreds and thousands of meals/presents etc.? Yes-this needs to get straightened out. And it shouldn't wait for three or four years while a new regulation is being hammered out. I know how long it takes big ships to change course. Believe me. Come up with some preliminary guidelines and send out a memo. Stop the waste. And yes, I have a military background and have close contacts in the military and government sectors. Every single person I have talked with and shown these reports to is appalled. Some of them have children in FCPS. I will speak my mind and read your regulations and ask for information and answers if I darn well please.
It costs a fortune to feed, clothe, and provide presents for 300 people and that is why you don't do it with public money except for a rare occasion. This isn't the school system's problem. Buying copier paper IS.
I LOVED the Langley expenditure for the accompanist for the choruses. Finally, something that really helps the staff and children. The picture of a choirmaster trying to conduct and play piano at the same time, pulling a mature chorus through a big Requiem or Carmina Burana-you would either be directing with your hands and playing with your feet or vice versa. You would have quite a Dies Irae. Thank you, Langley, for setting an example for all.
I have said over and over that I know your staff work hard and thanked them several times. Has anybody thought about the amount of time that is spent on organizing, ordering, picking up, enjoying, and distributing hundreds and thousands of meals/presents etc.? Yes-this needs to get straightened out. And it shouldn't wait for three or four years while a new regulation is being hammered out. I know how long it takes big ships to change course. Believe me. Come up with some preliminary guidelines and send out a memo. Stop the waste. And yes, I have a military background and have close contacts in the military and government sectors. Every single person I have talked with and shown these reports to is appalled. Some of them have children in FCPS. I will speak my mind and read your regulations and ask for information and answers if I darn well please.
It costs a fortune to feed, clothe, and provide presents for 300 people and that is why you don't do it with public money except for a rare occasion. This isn't the school system's problem. Buying copier paper IS.
I LOVED the Langley expenditure for the accompanist for the choruses. Finally, something that really helps the staff and children. The picture of a choirmaster trying to conduct and play piano at the same time, pulling a mature chorus through a big Requiem or Carmina Burana-you would either be directing with your hands and playing with your feet or vice versa. You would have quite a Dies Irae. Thank you, Langley, for setting an example for all.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 14, 2014 08:33AM
I was curious how $6000 spent on imprinted merchandise looked. We bought six pack coolers and cups and some other stuff. Look at the bright side-we bought 144 coolers so we got 6 free ones.
There were several comments on the faculty gowns. I am including those receipts. It looks like money from two student clubs might have been used to pay the bill on these, plus $2100 from the Class of 2014 fund. I would have to ask a few questions on this. Falls Church people, feel free to ask if your student graduation fees were used for this purchase. I thought those fees were supposed to be for student expenses like student cap and gown/accoutrements/embellishments, rental of the graduation venue, etc.
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There were several comments on the faculty gowns. I am including those receipts. It looks like money from two student clubs might have been used to pay the bill on these, plus $2100 from the Class of 2014 fund. I would have to ask a few questions on this. Falls Church people, feel free to ask if your student graduation fees were used for this purchase. I thought those fees were supposed to be for student expenses like student cap and gown/accoutrements/embellishments, rental of the graduation venue, etc.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
another FCPS parent
()
Date: August 14, 2014 09:42AM
Thanks to Interested Reader wrote
" her continual slams against teachers and other Fairfax County employees is intolerable as well as her scantimonious "holier than thou attitude." All the good work she may have done appears to be a mean spirited witchhunt and undermines her investigation. She is a fool to belittle and marginalize posters whom she thinks are FCPS employees as they know far more than she about practices at their schools and others."
Agree
" her continual slams against teachers and other Fairfax County employees is intolerable as well as her scantimonious "holier than thou attitude." All the good work she may have done appears to be a mean spirited witchhunt and undermines her investigation. She is a fool to belittle and marginalize posters whom she thinks are FCPS employees as they know far more than she about practices at their schools and others."
Agree
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
another FCPS parent
()
Date: August 14, 2014 09:54AM
Also, a thought that has occurred to me. What role do these local businesses play in this excessive spending. They know who their customer is. Are they giving large order discounts? Or special rates for a 'public entity'?
Eliminating these expenditures has a direct impact to the local economy and jobs. I do not mind the schools giving business to the surrounding local economy, assuming they are reasonable. Perhaps savings could be achieved without eliminating the entire concept.
Eliminating these expenditures has a direct impact to the local economy and jobs. I do not mind the schools giving business to the surrounding local economy, assuming they are reasonable. Perhaps savings could be achieved without eliminating the entire concept.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 14, 2014 10:16AM
I don't think looking for information and putting it out is a witch hunt at all. It is called being an observant citizen. I am not slamming the hard-working staff. I am identifying major problems and issues with the money. Just because you work hard doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with public money.
Here is a list of the parties I have found (in addition to the "retreats")-
Semi-chronological order.
Welcome back for the teachers.
Welcome back just for the Admin department and select few
Back to school night. That is a unique situation that needs to be defined.
Donuts/bagels/corner bakery/pizza etc. All the time.
Ice cream and smoothie parties for the staff. All the time.
Cookies and treats for meetings. All the time.
Special football game dinners for a select group.
Thanksgiving parties.
Winter break parties.
Welcome back from Winter break parties.
Teacher workday parties (all year long)
March Madness parties. Seriously.
Spring Break parties.
Welcome back from Spring Break parties.
No power parties. I thought that was sweet. If you are showing up for work and there isn't any power and you can't even use a microwave...I consider that a bit of an emergency. I will grant you that. Thank you for your dedication.
Teacher Appreciation week parties (and we DO appreciate you-really)
Flowers for bereavement/babies/retirement and just because we love you (we do)
end of the year parties for staff.
End of the year parties just for Admin and/or select staff.
Retirement parties (thank you for your service)
Golfing parties. Spring, fall, summer.
Let's all go to a really nice restaurant and bill the school system parties.
And then we start the summers of Admins, baseball game "retreats", etc.
Any of these sound familiar?
My personal favorite would be a skiing or snow tubing party. I am looking...
Here is a list of the parties I have found (in addition to the "retreats")-
Semi-chronological order.
Welcome back for the teachers.
Welcome back just for the Admin department and select few
Back to school night. That is a unique situation that needs to be defined.
Donuts/bagels/corner bakery/pizza etc. All the time.
Ice cream and smoothie parties for the staff. All the time.
Cookies and treats for meetings. All the time.
Special football game dinners for a select group.
Thanksgiving parties.
Winter break parties.
Welcome back from Winter break parties.
Teacher workday parties (all year long)
March Madness parties. Seriously.
Spring Break parties.
Welcome back from Spring Break parties.
No power parties. I thought that was sweet. If you are showing up for work and there isn't any power and you can't even use a microwave...I consider that a bit of an emergency. I will grant you that. Thank you for your dedication.
Teacher Appreciation week parties (and we DO appreciate you-really)
Flowers for bereavement/babies/retirement and just because we love you (we do)
end of the year parties for staff.
End of the year parties just for Admin and/or select staff.
Retirement parties (thank you for your service)
Golfing parties. Spring, fall, summer.
Let's all go to a really nice restaurant and bill the school system parties.
And then we start the summers of Admins, baseball game "retreats", etc.
Any of these sound familiar?
My personal favorite would be a skiing or snow tubing party. I am looking...
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Graduation
()
Date: August 14, 2014 10:52AM
Graduation and prom expenses come from senior and junior dues and class fundraising. Classes fundraise all four years. Thus transfers from class accounts is fine.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
teacher
()
Date: August 14, 2014 11:29AM
I am not getting into the overall debate with you.. I know you from your other crusades...
"I am not slamming the hard-working staff"
and
"Going Dutch is what the rest of the government peons do, and that is what most of you all are"
seems a bit contradictory to me. You pay us lip service by saying we work hard and are appreciated, but turn around and call us peons.
One last thought and then I'll disappear (because I know better than to think you won't cherry pick what you want to respond to), you list all those things in a couple of posts above as if all the teachers get those things all year long. TOTAL BS. I have perhaps been offered one or two of those things during the course of a given year. The staff as a whole does not do those things on all of those occasions as consistently as you just presented them.
You're next response is ..."I'm not making this stuff up"
I know. You're not. But you are lumping it all together from dozens of schools and smaller organizations within, and making it look like all staff is partying away every 2-3 weeks.
BTW, none of this is to be taken as "I don't care about the problem". I have not commented on that.
"I am not slamming the hard-working staff"
and
"Going Dutch is what the rest of the government peons do, and that is what most of you all are"
seems a bit contradictory to me. You pay us lip service by saying we work hard and are appreciated, but turn around and call us peons.
One last thought and then I'll disappear (because I know better than to think you won't cherry pick what you want to respond to), you list all those things in a couple of posts above as if all the teachers get those things all year long. TOTAL BS. I have perhaps been offered one or two of those things during the course of a given year. The staff as a whole does not do those things on all of those occasions as consistently as you just presented them.
You're next response is ..."I'm not making this stuff up"
I know. You're not. But you are lumping it all together from dozens of schools and smaller organizations within, and making it look like all staff is partying away every 2-3 weeks.
BTW, none of this is to be taken as "I don't care about the problem". I have not commented on that.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
thanks Mr/Mrs taxpayer
()
Date: August 14, 2014 01:36PM
Great article in the Post today about the boondoggle the principals took to Tangier Island. I really bet they will be in the classrooms teaching all about the things they saw. One Principal reportedly took her 4 kids. Nice little vacation paid by for by you.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Where in Post
()
Date: August 14, 2014 01:53PM
Where in the Post? It is not online. Give us the link.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
extra extra read all about it
()
Date: August 14, 2014 03:51PM
Buy a paper cheapskate , its in the local living insert
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Cheapskate
()
Date: August 14, 2014 04:03PM
Thank you for the info. How gracious of you to respond. It means that paper along with the other three dailies I subscribe to will be waiting for me when I return from vacation.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Real story from cheapskate
()
Date: August 14, 2014 04:39PM
The story was in the Fairfax connection not the Washington Post. And I am copying the information which proves it was paid for by the foundation not FCPS.
“I thoroughly enjoyed this leadership experience with principals from FCPS and I am thankful to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation (CBF) for sponsoring this trip,” said Lori Cleveland, principal of Greenbriar West Elementary School. “We were immersed in learning about the Chesapeake Bay and the lifestyle of the residents of Tangier Island during our three day adventure.”
“I thoroughly enjoyed this leadership experience with principals from FCPS and I am thankful to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation (CBF) for sponsoring this trip,” said Lori Cleveland, principal of Greenbriar West Elementary School. “We were immersed in learning about the Chesapeake Bay and the lifestyle of the residents of Tangier Island during our three day adventure.”
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
its still a boondogle
()
Date: August 14, 2014 05:01PM
Real story from cheapskate Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The story was in the Fairfax connection not the
> Washington Post. And I am copying the information
> which proves it was paid for by the foundation not
> FCPS.
>
> “I thoroughly enjoyed this leadership experience
> with principals from FCPS and I am thankful to the
> Chesapeake Bay Foundation (CBF) for sponsoring
> this trip,” said Lori Cleveland, principal of
> Greenbriar West Elementary School. “We were
> immersed in learning about the Chesapeake Bay and
> the lifestyle of the residents of Tangier Island
> during our three day adventure.”
It may have been paid for by the Chesapeake Bay Foundation but they are on County time. This is one reason people have lost faith in the Chesapeake Bay Foundation as well, they use their donations for causes that are not necessarily really beneficial to the restoration of the bay.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The story was in the Fairfax connection not the
> Washington Post. And I am copying the information
> which proves it was paid for by the foundation not
> FCPS.
>
> “I thoroughly enjoyed this leadership experience
> with principals from FCPS and I am thankful to the
> Chesapeake Bay Foundation (CBF) for sponsoring
> this trip,” said Lori Cleveland, principal of
> Greenbriar West Elementary School. “We were
> immersed in learning about the Chesapeake Bay and
> the lifestyle of the residents of Tangier Island
> during our three day adventure.”
It may have been paid for by the Chesapeake Bay Foundation but they are on County time. This is one reason people have lost faith in the Chesapeake Bay Foundation as well, they use their donations for causes that are not necessarily really beneficial to the restoration of the bay.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
give me a break
()
Date: August 14, 2014 06:38PM
Please. The CBF used money to educate principals who have the ability to make their schools greener (which helps the bay) and impact hundreds of young students (which helps the bay). The earlier you reach kids, the more impact they have on the decisions they make and influencing their families at home.
And it was JULY. Professionals make business trips ALL THE TIME ALL YEAR ROUND. What the heck is wrong with you people.
And it was JULY. Professionals make business trips ALL THE TIME ALL YEAR ROUND. What the heck is wrong with you people.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
What is wrong
()
Date: August 14, 2014 06:56PM
What is wrong with these people is that some of those who read and respond to posts on the site think that all teachers and principals should have their noses at the grindstone 24/7 on behalf of their little snowflakes. It's called administrative leave and you can take it for professional development. This is a serious subject thread - stay off it if you don't understand what's being discussed!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
give me a break
()
Date: August 14, 2014 07:39PM
First of that's ridiculous. You do not have to take administrative leave for training. The federal government pays its employees while they take professional development, including ethics training. And I understand what the thread is about. And you have NO IDEA whether these principals were on their personal time or not. Because you don't have all the facts. Legitimate activities are being conflated with questionable, along with the tone, making the whole thread less serious.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
mom245
()
Date: August 14, 2014 07:52PM
the facts must be hitting a nerve here because of all the killing of the messenger that's going on .
Keep it up Facts!
you know you're pushing the right buttons when you get these kinds of attacks from the people that just got the light shined on them
Keep it up Facts!
you know you're pushing the right buttons when you get these kinds of attacks from the people that just got the light shined on them
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
tighten it up
()
Date: August 14, 2014 07:53PM
I think I understand what is being discussed. Yes, administrative leave is for professional development. I'm not sure that people believe that teachers and principals should not use administrative leave. I think you're reading something into these posts that is not there.
Administrative leave in and of itself is not the issue. The issue is money spent while staff is not necessarily on any leave. The t-shirts and such are not connected to administrative leave. However there are meals that occur when staff is on administrative leave and those should probably follow rules for how much is available for dinner, lunch and breakfast as specified under the federal tax laws. It looked like more than what is allowed was being spent (in some cases quite a bit more). I am no expert on this, but I do think the rules should be followed.
I find it interesting how some people are getting quite upset about all of this. I think that these issues can be discussed in a rational way and if there need to be guidelines they can be put in place. I don't think there needs to be a witch trial on this. I think that the lack of guidelines has led to a situation where the defense of either side of this is not workable. You can neither defend nor prosecute when there are no rules. But you can argue and the arguing can go on until the cows come home. Bad feelings can exist and nobody can do anything about it. Unless these issues are addressed, the sores will fester.
Administrative leave in and of itself is not the issue. The issue is money spent while staff is not necessarily on any leave. The t-shirts and such are not connected to administrative leave. However there are meals that occur when staff is on administrative leave and those should probably follow rules for how much is available for dinner, lunch and breakfast as specified under the federal tax laws. It looked like more than what is allowed was being spent (in some cases quite a bit more). I am no expert on this, but I do think the rules should be followed.
I find it interesting how some people are getting quite upset about all of this. I think that these issues can be discussed in a rational way and if there need to be guidelines they can be put in place. I don't think there needs to be a witch trial on this. I think that the lack of guidelines has led to a situation where the defense of either side of this is not workable. You can neither defend nor prosecute when there are no rules. But you can argue and the arguing can go on until the cows come home. Bad feelings can exist and nobody can do anything about it. Unless these issues are addressed, the sores will fester.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 15, 2014 08:59AM
Here's some more- AFTER Back to School Night Breakfast. New Teacher luncheon. Graduation Day breakfast for staff. Snow Day lunches.
Yes, tighten it up, there needs to be some guidelines.
Don't shoot the messenger. If you want to dig deeper on some of this, jump in.
Yes, tighten it up, there needs to be some guidelines.
Don't shoot the messenger. If you want to dig deeper on some of this, jump in.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 15, 2014 09:11AM
Real story from cheapskate Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The story was in the Fairfax connection not the
> Washington Post. And I am copying the information
> which proves it was paid for by the foundation not
> FCPS.
>
> “I thoroughly enjoyed this leadership experience
> with principals from FCPS and I am thankful to the
> Chesapeake Bay Foundation (CBF) for sponsoring
> this trip,” said Lori Cleveland, principal of
> Greenbriar West Elementary School. “We were
> immersed in learning about the Chesapeake Bay and
> the lifestyle of the residents of Tangier Island
> during our three day adventure.”
The article said it was SPONSORED by the CBF. It didn't say they PAID for everybody.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The story was in the Fairfax connection not the
> Washington Post. And I am copying the information
> which proves it was paid for by the foundation not
> FCPS.
>
> “I thoroughly enjoyed this leadership experience
> with principals from FCPS and I am thankful to the
> Chesapeake Bay Foundation (CBF) for sponsoring
> this trip,” said Lori Cleveland, principal of
> Greenbriar West Elementary School. “We were
> immersed in learning about the Chesapeake Bay and
> the lifestyle of the residents of Tangier Island
> during our three day adventure.”
The article said it was SPONSORED by the CBF. It didn't say they PAID for everybody.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 15, 2014 09:20AM
Graduation Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Graduation and prom expenses come from senior and
> junior dues and class fundraising. Classes
> fundraise all four years. Thus transfers from
> class accounts is fine.
The question here is whether renting dozens of gowns for teachers for graduation is an appropriate expense for students to incur at a high school that is almost 60% Free and Reduced.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Graduation and prom expenses come from senior and
> junior dues and class fundraising. Classes
> fundraise all four years. Thus transfers from
> class accounts is fine.
The question here is whether renting dozens of gowns for teachers for graduation is an appropriate expense for students to incur at a high school that is almost 60% Free and Reduced.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
fees
()
Date: August 15, 2014 09:38AM
^ I totally understand what you are saying. My son had to pay a $100 graduation fee in his senior year. BTW, this had nothing to do with all night grad party (which is optional I know, but there were free "vouchers" for the free and reduced lunch crowd to go to that and others were paying $70). I am sure that the graduation fee is also waived based on FARMs. This causes the people who pay to subsidize the others. Yes, the money has to come from somewhere. I have no idea how those schools with lots of FARMs do it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
food forever
()
Date: August 15, 2014 09:42AM
"Here's some more- AFTER Back to School Night Breakfast. New Teacher luncheon. Graduation Day breakfast for staff. Snow Day lunches."
The problem with all of this is that it sets up expectations. No wonder we're all overweight.
The problem with all of this is that it sets up expectations. No wonder we're all overweight.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Cut back
()
Date: August 15, 2014 12:12PM
Here's a thought let's stop giving teachers and staff anything - food, spirit wear, cute little anti-bully pins, notebooks. In fact let's charge them admission to go to graduation. Let's charge them to go to back-to-school night and charge them to work overtime. This way there will be plenty of money to spend on frippery and administrative trips! It is clear from reading this strand that many responders lump teachers with administrative overruns on accounts. This is plain wrong. Let's use some sarcasm to make a point.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 15, 2014 01:19PM
I don't know what the answers are on a lot of this.
An article on the CBF trips says the school system paid for the Chesapeake Bay Foundation trips. They are $300+. There were several of them. Obviously you do some staff development. We probably got more out of this than the Admins.
I was told graduation fees covered student cap and gown, diplomas, costs of the venue, etc., and are supposed to be kept at as close to actual cost as possible. I don't know what the deal is with the gowns. I don't know if teachers are required to wear them, required to go to graduation, or anything. I just found the situation and put it out there for discussion. There have been instances where there were thousands of dollars left over after all expenses were paid. I know it is hard to estimate a year or two in advance.
An article on the CBF trips says the school system paid for the Chesapeake Bay Foundation trips. They are $300+. There were several of them. Obviously you do some staff development. We probably got more out of this than the Admins.
I was told graduation fees covered student cap and gown, diplomas, costs of the venue, etc., and are supposed to be kept at as close to actual cost as possible. I don't know what the deal is with the gowns. I don't know if teachers are required to wear them, required to go to graduation, or anything. I just found the situation and put it out there for discussion. There have been instances where there were thousands of dollars left over after all expenses were paid. I know it is hard to estimate a year or two in advance.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Still waiting
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Date: August 15, 2014 03:46PM
Still waiting for The Facts to admit how FCPS offended her and sent her on this witch-hunt against the system. Oh, and you can stop ending your posts with the "jump in" recruitment type comments. Some excessive spending, sure. But not the USA Today breaking news you are hoping for. Maybe it's time to start spending some of your time on the Old Pics of Fairfax thread...
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
mom245
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Date: August 15, 2014 03:52PM
^^^^^
See, its working. Someone's nervous. . . .
See, its working. Someone's nervous. . . .
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
they should be nervous
()
Date: August 15, 2014 04:51PM
Still waiting Wrote:
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> Still waiting for The Facts to admit how FCPS
> offended her and sent her on this witch-hunt
> against the system. Oh, and you can stop ending
> your posts with the "jump in" recruitment type
> comments. Some excessive spending, sure. But not
> the USA Today breaking news you are hoping for.
> Maybe it's time to start spending some of your
> time on the Old Pics of Fairfax thread...
Hey Gatehouse employee, there are plenty of us watching and a few of us that have witnessed your waste and abuse of taxpayers money. When the Post calls, I have plenty of stories with names, dates , and unbelievably stupid spending. I hope they hold off until right before budget approval time when Garza begins the begging , whining, and threatening. Eventually there will be a Board of Supervisors with some balls who will make you do the same as all other the County Agencies, more with less.
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> Still waiting for The Facts to admit how FCPS
> offended her and sent her on this witch-hunt
> against the system. Oh, and you can stop ending
> your posts with the "jump in" recruitment type
> comments. Some excessive spending, sure. But not
> the USA Today breaking news you are hoping for.
> Maybe it's time to start spending some of your
> time on the Old Pics of Fairfax thread...
Hey Gatehouse employee, there are plenty of us watching and a few of us that have witnessed your waste and abuse of taxpayers money. When the Post calls, I have plenty of stories with names, dates , and unbelievably stupid spending. I hope they hold off until right before budget approval time when Garza begins the begging , whining, and threatening. Eventually there will be a Board of Supervisors with some balls who will make you do the same as all other the County Agencies, more with less.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 15, 2014 06:54PM
food forever Wrote:
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> "Here's some more- AFTER Back to School Night
> Breakfast. New Teacher luncheon. Graduation Day
> breakfast for staff. Snow Day lunches."
>
>
> The problem with all of this is that it sets up
> expectations. No wonder we're all overweight.
The huge problem with all this is that now everybody thinks it is normal.
I also have connections in the Education industry. It isn't normal.
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> "Here's some more- AFTER Back to School Night
> Breakfast. New Teacher luncheon. Graduation Day
> breakfast for staff. Snow Day lunches."
>
>
> The problem with all of this is that it sets up
> expectations. No wonder we're all overweight.
The huge problem with all this is that now everybody thinks it is normal.
I also have connections in the Education industry. It isn't normal.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 15, 2014 07:47PM
Here are the credit card statements for the Chairman of the School Board. The DCCO office pointed out that the 4/19/2013 charge for $759.48 at the Sea Pearl was the School Board's welcome dinner for Dr. Garza.
They also pointed out that the $911.54 charge on 4/8/2014 at the Court of Two Sisters in New Orleans was dinner for SB members and staff at the National School Boards Association.
Only the Chairman carries an FCPS credit card.
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They also pointed out that the $911.54 charge on 4/8/2014 at the Court of Two Sisters in New Orleans was dinner for SB members and staff at the National School Boards Association.
Only the Chairman carries an FCPS credit card.
Attachments:
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
nobodys watching
()
Date: August 15, 2014 08:39PM
thanks Wrote:
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> ""It's called team building and taking care of
> staff who have not seen a salary increase for
> almost five years."
>
>
> Meanwhile teachers are spending their own money on
> supplies for their classrooms. But they get a
> donut.
A lot of people in all sorts of profession have not seen a raise in 5 years. With many of their coworkers getting laid off, I don't think they are expecting to get sent to a retreat in St. Michaels or anywhere else. Schools are notorious for lack of accountability. Particularly administrators who frequently take personal leave and do not put in for it. That little secret is rampant at some schools.
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> ""It's called team building and taking care of
> staff who have not seen a salary increase for
> almost five years."
>
>
> Meanwhile teachers are spending their own money on
> supplies for their classrooms. But they get a
> donut.
A lot of people in all sorts of profession have not seen a raise in 5 years. With many of their coworkers getting laid off, I don't think they are expecting to get sent to a retreat in St. Michaels or anywhere else. Schools are notorious for lack of accountability. Particularly administrators who frequently take personal leave and do not put in for it. That little secret is rampant at some schools.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
;lzskdjfpourhldkjbnsltuh
()
Date: August 16, 2014 07:46AM
I am convinced that most educators are a bunch of educated grabby greedy sticky-fingered thieves.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the difference
()
Date: August 16, 2014 08:38AM
;lzskdjfpourhldkjbnsltuh Wrote:
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> I am convinced that most educators are a bunch of
> educated grabby greedy sticky-fingered thieves.
No thieves generally know what they are doing is wrong, these people feel totally entitle to the gifts you pay for. The rational used to be all the extras they claim to have to do, now its they are not getting the raises they seem to think everyone else is getting. Here's a little tidbit. Get a few drinks in one at a party or bar and they will reveal that if it weren't for being off all summer, they would find another job. Heard it many many times.' Personally after working in a public school, its a job I would never do again and some of the kids and their parents are total assholes. But that doesn't entitle the school system to give away your money for festivities and 'feel good about yourself' activities.
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> I am convinced that most educators are a bunch of
> educated grabby greedy sticky-fingered thieves.
No thieves generally know what they are doing is wrong, these people feel totally entitle to the gifts you pay for. The rational used to be all the extras they claim to have to do, now its they are not getting the raises they seem to think everyone else is getting. Here's a little tidbit. Get a few drinks in one at a party or bar and they will reveal that if it weren't for being off all summer, they would find another job. Heard it many many times.' Personally after working in a public school, its a job I would never do again and some of the kids and their parents are total assholes. But that doesn't entitle the school system to give away your money for festivities and 'feel good about yourself' activities.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
dear lordy
()
Date: August 16, 2014 08:43AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^+1000000000000000000000000000
They really are oblivious and feel entitled to this stuff.
I hate my job many days but you don't see the management throwing perks like this at us and we certainly don't feel we are due all this and walk out the door with the furniture, computers etc. to make up for it. We would just like more staff so we aren't busting a gut in an impossible situation every day.
They really are oblivious and feel entitled to this stuff.
I hate my job many days but you don't see the management throwing perks like this at us and we certainly don't feel we are due all this and walk out the door with the furniture, computers etc. to make up for it. We would just like more staff so we aren't busting a gut in an impossible situation every day.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
per diem pot applies
()
Date: August 16, 2014 01:02PM
the facts Wrote:
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> Here are the credit card statements for the
> Chairman of the School Board. The DCCO office
> pointed out that the 4/19/2013 charge for $759.48
> at the Sea Pearl was the School Board's welcome
> dinner for Dr. Garza.
>
> They also pointed out that the $911.54 charge on
> 4/8/2014 at the Court of Two Sisters in New
> Orleans was dinner for SB members and staff at the
> National School Boards Association.
>
> Only the Chairman carries an FCPS credit card.
These people are supposed to be on GSA per diem and hotel rates if they traveled to NO.
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> Here are the credit card statements for the
> Chairman of the School Board. The DCCO office
> pointed out that the 4/19/2013 charge for $759.48
> at the Sea Pearl was the School Board's welcome
> dinner for Dr. Garza.
>
> They also pointed out that the $911.54 charge on
> 4/8/2014 at the Court of Two Sisters in New
> Orleans was dinner for SB members and staff at the
> National School Boards Association.
>
> Only the Chairman carries an FCPS credit card.
These people are supposed to be on GSA per diem and hotel rates if they traveled to NO.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
hushhhhh
()
Date: August 16, 2014 03:47PM
food forever Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "Here's some more- AFTER Back to School Night
> Breakfast. New Teacher luncheon. Graduation Day
> breakfast for staff. Snow Day lunches."
>
>
> The problem with all of this is that it sets up
> expectations. No wonder we're all overweight.
maybe they are going to have us pay for weight watchers or gym memberships for the staff. maybe we already are.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "Here's some more- AFTER Back to School Night
> Breakfast. New Teacher luncheon. Graduation Day
> breakfast for staff. Snow Day lunches."
>
>
> The problem with all of this is that it sets up
> expectations. No wonder we're all overweight.
maybe they are going to have us pay for weight watchers or gym memberships for the staff. maybe we already are.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the buck stops at the top
()
Date: August 16, 2014 09:03PM
Looking at Dr. Garza's credit card statement-she parked in the hourly lot at Dulles for several days on her April trip and we paid a premium for that. She could have gone into the daily or distant lots and saved us some bucks. This would also set an example.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
credit card question
()
Date: August 17, 2014 12:02PM
Ok, so I worked for the DOD I don't know how the chairman's credit card works. But for DOD, the card is issued by the government to the individual. The Individual must pay the balance due. When the traveller submits orders, it is computerized and automatically does reservations with airlines and hotels and car rentals at the government rate. If no rooms at that rate are available, an exception is approved before hand. If the traveler exceeds the per diam rate, by choosing to eat at an expensive restaurant they are reimbursed at the per diem rate and they pay the difference out of their pocket. Many times, the actual costs for dinner in a downtown environment are higher than the per diem rate (which is based on an average for the whole region).
In the government, the travel budget is generally a line item for a year. If you choose to spend it on one big trip of many small trips, you have to stay within that budget, it is the executives decision. Why people are micro-managing leading by example regarding parking at the airport has no influence on anything if they are the only one with a credit card.
In the government, the travel budget is generally a line item for a year. If you choose to spend it on one big trip of many small trips, you have to stay within that budget, it is the executives decision. Why people are micro-managing leading by example regarding parking at the airport has no influence on anything if they are the only one with a credit card.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts(?)
()
Date: August 17, 2014 04:23PM
It looks like the credit card statement goes to the school or school system and is paid by the school or school system. It also looks like per diem has gone out the window in many situations. People are travelling and putting down county plastic or turning in receipts and being paid whatever they spent. Whoopee!!!!The FCPS regs call for per diem on non-local travel. No meals are supposed to be on county cards according to the travel regulation. There are positives and negatives with this. If you have meals included in your conference or meeting, then you have to subtract out the meal per diem for those meals. You can then take your $29 or $36 and eat at Burger King and pocket the money. Or, you can go to Morton's and take a loss, only I am mostly seeing just going to Morton's and cleaning up big-time, NOT taking a loss.
There is no explanation for the huge number of local meals that I can find in the regulations. You either get the $11.50 or mileage and pay for your own meal or you pay for your own mea. Period. Life's rough. If you go to a local conference, you pay for your own meal unless the meal is "required" as part of the attendance at the conference and you have to pay for it, in which case you can get reimbursed. Don't get me going on paying $66 a person for breakfast and lunch at these "retreats". Come on.
Can't help you with the second paragraph. Any time I have gone out of Dulles I always parked in the extended stay lots or took a cab. Don't know anything about the hourly except that it is very expensive. Come to think of it, it does seem odd to spend almost $150 parking for four days. I think the other lots are like $10 a day. Good catch. Don't know anything about the travel budget. I only know about common sense and ethics and manners.
There is no explanation for the huge number of local meals that I can find in the regulations. You either get the $11.50 or mileage and pay for your own meal or you pay for your own mea. Period. Life's rough. If you go to a local conference, you pay for your own meal unless the meal is "required" as part of the attendance at the conference and you have to pay for it, in which case you can get reimbursed. Don't get me going on paying $66 a person for breakfast and lunch at these "retreats". Come on.
Can't help you with the second paragraph. Any time I have gone out of Dulles I always parked in the extended stay lots or took a cab. Don't know anything about the hourly except that it is very expensive. Come to think of it, it does seem odd to spend almost $150 parking for four days. I think the other lots are like $10 a day. Good catch. Don't know anything about the travel budget. I only know about common sense and ethics and manners.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Conference food
()
Date: August 17, 2014 05:21PM
I have been involved in planning many national conventions involving hotels and I just want to comment that the cost of food and non-alcoholic beverages at these conventions is extremely high. Even just coffee or sodas are charged about five times more than you would pay going to Starbucks. Pastries and fruit? A minimum of $20 a head. A chicken entrée at a luncheon? Expect to pay $30-$35. This could be an explanation of the food costs related to attending a conference in hotels such as Marriott and Hilton.
Regarding parking at Dulles, it is very expensive. That is why when I travel I find it much more economical to take a cab to and from my house if I'm going to be away for more than three days. When I travel to New York I leave my car at Union Station before taking the train and it costs $120 to park it there for four days, yet that is cheaper than a cab ride.
Regarding parking at Dulles, it is very expensive. That is why when I travel I find it much more economical to take a cab to and from my house if I'm going to be away for more than three days. When I travel to New York I leave my car at Union Station before taking the train and it costs $120 to park it there for four days, yet that is cheaper than a cab ride.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 17, 2014 07:37PM
You take your per diem when you are given the PRIVILEGE of being paid by the government to go to a conference and you make the best you can of it. Pack some granola bars. Go cheap on dinner if lunch is a rip-off. Go to a nearby store/shop and buy some bottled water or a coffee or some juice. Figure it out or stay home. You get 75% the first and last days of travel, so you can make it up then. Any conference I went to I always had to make my own arrangements for lunch. AND dinner. We were lucky to get water and coffee. No sympathy. Again, these are PRIVILEGES. You can't expect the world on a silver platter when you work for the government. I know people who threw a mini coffeemaker in their suitcase or took an immersion heater and a mug and made hot tea. Roll with it. You will survive. There's NO WHINING in government work.
The Admins aren't conferences. They are totally optional local boondoggles at nice hotels and resorts and this is an abuse of public funds and I don't care if people think I am nasty. The baseball game "retreat" was baloney. I am entitled to my opinion.
I just looked up the Dulles parking rates-Hourly, $35 max per day. Valet-$35 the first day, $25 every day after that, plus tip. Garages-$17 per day. Discount lots (a real pain but hey) $10 per day. There are some remote lots for $5 a day but you take your chances on the shuttles I have heard. I usually cab it. There is some per hour/24 hour max fine print also. Usually you just pay for the full day on first and last day of travel. I have also cabbed it to the Metro and taken that to National. With the new Silver Line there are also shuttles to pick that up out at Dulles.
The Admins aren't conferences. They are totally optional local boondoggles at nice hotels and resorts and this is an abuse of public funds and I don't care if people think I am nasty. The baseball game "retreat" was baloney. I am entitled to my opinion.
I just looked up the Dulles parking rates-Hourly, $35 max per day. Valet-$35 the first day, $25 every day after that, plus tip. Garages-$17 per day. Discount lots (a real pain but hey) $10 per day. There are some remote lots for $5 a day but you take your chances on the shuttles I have heard. I usually cab it. There is some per hour/24 hour max fine print also. Usually you just pay for the full day on first and last day of travel. I have also cabbed it to the Metro and taken that to National. With the new Silver Line there are also shuttles to pick that up out at Dulles.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
old guvvie
()
Date: August 18, 2014 07:09AM
The GSA system was developed to help ensure some consistency and controls on travel expenses to help prevent milking the system for extravagant spending.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 19, 2014 04:07PM
Although this thread started with the principal slush fund, I decided to do a mini-look at what was going with the Superintendent and the School Board. I am doing a short analysis of the trip to New Orleans in April 2014 to the national conference for the National School Boards Association. (I have more slush fund records coming.)
***********First of all, I would like to emphasize that I looked up the School Board Governance Manual and they are required to participate in annual conferences/training, and we are required to pay for it. (They are also reimbursed for local mileage and some other things.) According to the manual, this is done with appropriated funds. Taxpayer dollars.****************
I am first looking at the dinner that was $900+. I asked to see the names of the people at the dinner. There were 12 School Board Members/staff/Dr. Garza, and three spouses. The meals for the spouses were charged to a county credit card. It looks like they split the check evenly and the county was reimbursed for $183 for the three spouses. That leaves the bill at $61 per person.
GSA meal per diem and incidentals in New Orleans is $71 a day. For THREE meals AND incidentals. I am awaiting records to see about the other expenses.
Two questions-Why aren't these people on per diem, and since when are school personnel allowed to charge meals for spouses on the county charge cards? They reimbursed the school system right away, but I was always taught that was verboten. A slippery slope that is to be avoided. By everybody.
I have some other records coming on this trip.
I know New Orleans is expensive. That's not the point.
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***********First of all, I would like to emphasize that I looked up the School Board Governance Manual and they are required to participate in annual conferences/training, and we are required to pay for it. (They are also reimbursed for local mileage and some other things.) According to the manual, this is done with appropriated funds. Taxpayer dollars.****************
I am first looking at the dinner that was $900+. I asked to see the names of the people at the dinner. There were 12 School Board Members/staff/Dr. Garza, and three spouses. The meals for the spouses were charged to a county credit card. It looks like they split the check evenly and the county was reimbursed for $183 for the three spouses. That leaves the bill at $61 per person.
GSA meal per diem and incidentals in New Orleans is $71 a day. For THREE meals AND incidentals. I am awaiting records to see about the other expenses.
Two questions-Why aren't these people on per diem, and since when are school personnel allowed to charge meals for spouses on the county charge cards? They reimbursed the school system right away, but I was always taught that was verboten. A slippery slope that is to be avoided. By everybody.
I have some other records coming on this trip.
I know New Orleans is expensive. That's not the point.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 19, 2014 06:43PM
Actually, no spousal expenses (or family expenses) of any kind are supposed to be on government charge cards, because those are personal expenses. And personal expenses are not supposed to be put on government charge cards.
You could say New Orleans is expensive and that IS the point, looking at it from another angle. That is where per diem would help control the expenses for the taxpayer.
The travel regulation says no meals on county credit cards for non-local travel.
Just because you write the rules doesn't exempt you from following them.
You could say New Orleans is expensive and that IS the point, looking at it from another angle. That is where per diem would help control the expenses for the taxpayer.
The travel regulation says no meals on county credit cards for non-local travel.
Just because you write the rules doesn't exempt you from following them.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 19, 2014 07:24PM
The info from DCCO says this was charged to "special functions". This looks like a garden variety plain vanilla good old government conference trip. I don't see anything special or unique about this. The meal was charged on the Chairman of the Board's charge card, which I had asked to see.
Aah the mysteries.....
Aah the mysteries.....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 20, 2014 10:04AM
Page 4 Paragraph D.3.: No personal purchases on p-cards.
D.2: No entertainment on p-cards.
The travel regulation was already posted and says no non-local travel meals are to be on p-cards. The 5810 says local/non-local travel paid out of ECA funds has to also follow the travel regulation (which applies to travel on appropriated funds).
Have a nice day.
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D.2: No entertainment on p-cards.
The travel regulation was already posted and says no non-local travel meals are to be on p-cards. The 5810 says local/non-local travel paid out of ECA funds has to also follow the travel regulation (which applies to travel on appropriated funds).
Have a nice day.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 20, 2014 11:09AM
Found the regulation on Petty Cash funds. I am adding it to the mix.
Some of the prohibited uses-
travel expenses
personal items
nothing for personal benefit of employees such as flowers, gifts, food, movies and sporting events.
No birthdays, weddings, promotions, baby showers, retirement.
No payment of employee traffic tickets!
Etc.
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Some of the prohibited uses-
travel expenses
personal items
nothing for personal benefit of employees such as flowers, gifts, food, movies and sporting events.
No birthdays, weddings, promotions, baby showers, retirement.
No payment of employee traffic tickets!
Etc.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
-------------
()
Date: August 20, 2014 07:19PM
So my taxes went for flaming bananas and filet for the school board?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 21, 2014 07:10AM
^^^^^^^^Well, your taxes still might have gone for filet and flaming bananas if they were on per diem, but you wouldn't know it because you don't have to turn in the receipts. They would have put all meals on their personal charge cards or paid cash and been given $71 per day. If they received partial per diem (say, if meals were included with the hotel or the conference) the per diem rate for dinner is $36.
But, with the money capped, they might have had to buy the flaming bananas out of their own pockets. Or gone to a less expensive restaurant. Those are the choices and that is life when you work for the government.
I am waiting on more information on this trip. The major focus is still the school slush funds, but it is interesting to see what is going on at the top. MoCo is supposedly revising and clarifying their instructions and procedures after somebody did exactly what I am doing.
But, with the money capped, they might have had to buy the flaming bananas out of their own pockets. Or gone to a less expensive restaurant. Those are the choices and that is life when you work for the government.
I am waiting on more information on this trip. The major focus is still the school slush funds, but it is interesting to see what is going on at the top. MoCo is supposedly revising and clarifying their instructions and procedures after somebody did exactly what I am doing.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
double shame
()
Date: August 21, 2014 02:20PM
They should know better.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-Edison
()
Date: August 22, 2014 10:37PM
Another Admin. Arundel Preserve. Eight people. Ran over $3500. At a school that is about 40% FARM. The highlights-
Rooms were $183 per person per night. For perspective, GSA rate for this area is $104.
6/26/2013 Breakfast/beverages/cookies $37.50 per person, Lunch $39 per person, Dinner at Wildfire $46 per person. Total of about $123 per person. For perspective, GSA per diem for this area is $61 a day.
6/27 Breakfast $31 per person.
More catering bills.
"We are broke..."
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Rooms were $183 per person per night. For perspective, GSA rate for this area is $104.
6/26/2013 Breakfast/beverages/cookies $37.50 per person, Lunch $39 per person, Dinner at Wildfire $46 per person. Total of about $123 per person. For perspective, GSA per diem for this area is $61 a day.
6/27 Breakfast $31 per person.
More catering bills.
"We are broke..."
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-Hayfield
()
Date: August 23, 2014 10:18AM
Hayfield ECA. Just a few highlighted details.
They paid a $280 Civil Penalty for a pesticide issue. Don't know anything about that. Just thought it was interesting.
There was an Admin at Harbourtowne (St. Michaels, MD on the Eastern Shore-remember this place?). Multiple schools. Six people, two nights. 4/28/2013. About $3000. There is a letter from the Cluster Superintendent to the School Board auditor explaining that this was for reviewing and developing the pyramid-wide five-year comprehensive plan for growth.
************What is wrong with our locally-owned school real estate? Can somebody please tell me? I really don't understand this. This sounds like it could easily have been handled in a principal's conference room. I have been in one. It was lovely and spacious with very comfortable chairs.
Another Admin at none other than the lovely Annapolis Westin. June, 2013. 12 people, plus it looks like some day guests. Rooms were $180 per night (for perspective, GSA rate in June in Annapolis is $121 per night). There was a $700+ dinner that is missing itemized receipts. There is also a lunch at Pusser's for about $300. Also missing itemized receipts. Credit card receipts were turned in to justify the $700 cash advance. There was an additional $60 of junk food purchased to keep them going. So that is about $80 per person for that day for food. The GSA rate in Annapolis is $61 per day. I didn't see any breakfast receipts. If breakfast was included in the room charge, that would be subtracted from the GSA rate.
I have requested the itemized receipts. The regulations specify that itemized receipts are required to justify cash advance usage and other charges.
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They paid a $280 Civil Penalty for a pesticide issue. Don't know anything about that. Just thought it was interesting.
There was an Admin at Harbourtowne (St. Michaels, MD on the Eastern Shore-remember this place?). Multiple schools. Six people, two nights. 4/28/2013. About $3000. There is a letter from the Cluster Superintendent to the School Board auditor explaining that this was for reviewing and developing the pyramid-wide five-year comprehensive plan for growth.
************What is wrong with our locally-owned school real estate? Can somebody please tell me? I really don't understand this. This sounds like it could easily have been handled in a principal's conference room. I have been in one. It was lovely and spacious with very comfortable chairs.
Another Admin at none other than the lovely Annapolis Westin. June, 2013. 12 people, plus it looks like some day guests. Rooms were $180 per night (for perspective, GSA rate in June in Annapolis is $121 per night). There was a $700+ dinner that is missing itemized receipts. There is also a lunch at Pusser's for about $300. Also missing itemized receipts. Credit card receipts were turned in to justify the $700 cash advance. There was an additional $60 of junk food purchased to keep them going. So that is about $80 per person for that day for food. The GSA rate in Annapolis is $61 per day. I didn't see any breakfast receipts. If breakfast was included in the room charge, that would be subtracted from the GSA rate.
I have requested the itemized receipts. The regulations specify that itemized receipts are required to justify cash advance usage and other charges.
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Posted by:
the facts-South Lakes
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Date: August 23, 2014 10:23AM
I was curious how we spent $7000 on personalized merchandise.
Cooler bags and t-shirts for almost 300 people.
This nothing unique to South Lakes. This is very common.
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Cooler bags and t-shirts for almost 300 people.
This nothing unique to South Lakes. This is very common.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 23, 2014 11:17AM
Make that the VERY VERY lovely Annapolis Westin. Spectacular is more like it. I am very familiar with that area. It is right next door to the very lovely Annapolis Loews (from an earlier chapter) west of downtown. The place they went for lunch is a ways down the road in downtown Annapolis right on the waterfront. You either catch the free shuttle or drive around in endless circles and traffic jams trying to find a parking spot. All that would add on to the time required for the lunch "experience" and time away from the "work" at hand. You can't tell me they didn't check out the yachts in the nearby harbor.
Aah the good life. I love Annapolis. Been there many, many times.
Aah the good life. I love Annapolis. Been there many, many times.
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Posted by:
parental dispair
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Date: August 23, 2014 11:24AM
You know, this is all very interesting, but absolutely nothing will come of it, except maybe some mild "guidelines" for future junkets
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Posted by:
wink, wink, nod, nod
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Date: August 23, 2014 12:25PM
^ I think something will come of it. There are people losing their jobs, having their hours cut, having their wages effectively cut. Many of them are the teachers---the very ones who do the "real work". And they are not about to be "bought" with a donut or a t shirt or whatever bones they are throwing to them. Let them eat cake is the attitude. This kind of spending causes huge morale issues with the staff in these schools. The central bureaucrats have been remiss (to say the least) in doing their jobs. What are they there for? If they don't crack down on this, they are just another layer of "do nothings".
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Posted by:
soldier's general
()
Date: August 23, 2014 12:29PM
Having said all of that, I do think that Garza is shaking it up and trying to put the teachers first. It is definitely making some people at the top unhappy. Good.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 24, 2014 12:51PM
****************I have yet to hear from anybody explaining to me and everybody else on this thread what the problem is with FCPS real estate. Will somebody PLEASE speak up????????????????????
Why can't these meetings be held in a county facility during regular business hours? How much work is done with your eyes closed sleeping in a $180 per night hotel room? Really??????????? How much actual work is being done at a $30 per person breakfast, a $50+ "working" steak dinner at the Hollywood Casino complex, gallivanting around Annapolis, etc.? The hours spent schlepping to and from the Eastern Shore and out into Maryland certainly eat at the productivity, also. Somebody has to plan and set all this up, also.
You make some toast at home, show up at a school system-owned facility, have the meetings, either pack your lunch or go out on YOUR dollar NOT OURS, and go home and sleep in your own bed. And throw a steak on your grill for dinner. No $500 conference room fees for tables, chairs, and basic meeting equipment. No gas mileage to the Eastern Shore. No packing of suitcases. No $100 service fees for buffets just because YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE. That's right. You don't have enough people. This is how a lot of the rest of the world conducts their meetings. You put out-of-office on your e-mails, don't answer your phones, tell your staff you are not available unless the schools catch on fire, and do your work.
If people need time to relax that is called VACATION. We pay staff salary to take vacations. The rest is a personal responsibility.
Destination meetings my eye.
Why can't these meetings be held in a county facility during regular business hours? How much work is done with your eyes closed sleeping in a $180 per night hotel room? Really??????????? How much actual work is being done at a $30 per person breakfast, a $50+ "working" steak dinner at the Hollywood Casino complex, gallivanting around Annapolis, etc.? The hours spent schlepping to and from the Eastern Shore and out into Maryland certainly eat at the productivity, also. Somebody has to plan and set all this up, also.
You make some toast at home, show up at a school system-owned facility, have the meetings, either pack your lunch or go out on YOUR dollar NOT OURS, and go home and sleep in your own bed. And throw a steak on your grill for dinner. No $500 conference room fees for tables, chairs, and basic meeting equipment. No gas mileage to the Eastern Shore. No packing of suitcases. No $100 service fees for buffets just because YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE. That's right. You don't have enough people. This is how a lot of the rest of the world conducts their meetings. You put out-of-office on your e-mails, don't answer your phones, tell your staff you are not available unless the schools catch on fire, and do your work.
If people need time to relax that is called VACATION. We pay staff salary to take vacations. The rest is a personal responsibility.
Destination meetings my eye.
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Posted by:
the fax
()
Date: August 24, 2014 05:20PM
Interesting Salon.com article about public education. Although the title sounds like the article's intent is to bash Michelle Rhee, the bigger issue addressed is child poverty, its impact on education, and how we deal with it.
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/22/michelle_rhees_real_legacy_heres_whats_most_shameful_about_her_reign/
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/22/michelle_rhees_real_legacy_heres_whats_most_shameful_about_her_reign/
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 24, 2014 05:23PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^I thought we were going to discuss why $70 (NOT $50) steak dinners at the Hollywood Casino didn't accomplish much in the way of work and were not a good value for the public dollar.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the fax
()
Date: August 24, 2014 07:41PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^To your point, this thread could use a lot more discussion, but I don't think there is much to discuss in regard to the appropriateness of public-funded, $70 stead dinners. They are not.
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Posted by:
the fax
()
Date: August 24, 2014 07:42PM
steak
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the general
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Date: August 25, 2014 07:02AM
Tell whoever is doing this crap what the limits are, and if they don't cooperate, garnish their wages to pay for it. That should fix things really quickly.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
missing the point
()
Date: August 25, 2014 08:24AM
^^^^^^^
Lets stop pretending that this was some "accident" where people just "didn't understand the rules."
This is clearly deliberate abuse of a discretionary fund where the obvious uses for that money-in the classroom-were intentionally neglected for recreation and even ambition (networking. . . )
This is not one or two things that happened last year--this is a pattern of having a secret unaccountable "slush fund" as the original title indicates
Lets stop pretending that this was some "accident" where people just "didn't understand the rules."
This is clearly deliberate abuse of a discretionary fund where the obvious uses for that money-in the classroom-were intentionally neglected for recreation and even ambition (networking. . . )
This is not one or two things that happened last year--this is a pattern of having a secret unaccountable "slush fund" as the original title indicates
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Posted by:
amen I say
()
Date: August 25, 2014 08:38AM
^^^^^^^^^^^Agree.
Why was there a letter from Superintendent Ivey to the School Board Auditor? Did somebody file a Fraud/Waste/Abuse complaint on this trip to St. Michael's?
Why was there a letter from Superintendent Ivey to the School Board Auditor? Did somebody file a Fraud/Waste/Abuse complaint on this trip to St. Michael's?
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Posted by:
amen I say
()
Date: August 25, 2014 08:47AM
amen I say Wrote:
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> ^^^^^^^^^^^Agree.
>
> Why was there a letter from Superintendent Ivey to
> the School Board Auditor? Did somebody file a
> Fraud/Waste/Abuse complaint on this trip to St.
> Michael's?
It was actually from Superintendent Tyler. My bad.
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> ^^^^^^^^^^^Agree.
>
> Why was there a letter from Superintendent Ivey to
> the School Board Auditor? Did somebody file a
> Fraud/Waste/Abuse complaint on this trip to St.
> Michael's?
It was actually from Superintendent Tyler. My bad.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 25, 2014 09:48AM
That didn't take long. A citizen saw some janitors using Roundup. The janitors are paid to take care of the grounds and the facility, so they have to be certified in use of these types of chemicals.
We could have spent the $280 on lunch for the front office.
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We could have spent the $280 on lunch for the front office.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 25, 2014 09:51AM
the facts Wrote:
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> That didn't take long. A citizen saw some janitors
> using Roundup. The janitors are paid to take care
> of the grounds and the facility, so they have to
> be certified in use of these types of chemicals.
>
> We could have spent the $280 on lunch for the
> front office.
Look at the bright side. We got a $70 discount for first offense.
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> That didn't take long. A citizen saw some janitors
> using Roundup. The janitors are paid to take care
> of the grounds and the facility, so they have to
> be certified in use of these types of chemicals.
>
> We could have spent the $280 on lunch for the
> front office.
Look at the bright side. We got a $70 discount for first offense.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 25, 2014 10:11AM
In case the citizen is upset that her name, address, and phone number are on the report, I obtained this from the state, NOT the school system. I submitted a request over the weekend and they crossed this right off their list this morning.
It looks like if the Good Faith Report had been turned in they could have gotten some credit points, which might have reduced their penalty.
I just couldn't resist. Curiosity got the better of me.
It looks like if the Good Faith Report had been turned in they could have gotten some credit points, which might have reduced their penalty.
I just couldn't resist. Curiosity got the better of me.
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Posted by:
wonder,wonder
()
Date: August 25, 2014 10:21AM
Wonder if it occurred to the complainant to just make a phone call to the school and advise them that the use of Roundup required training? Why does everything have to be a court case?
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Posted by:
888888888888
()
Date: August 25, 2014 10:45AM
^^^^^^^^^^maybe 'cuz they don't listen to anything else.
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Posted by:
the facts-WSHS
()
Date: August 25, 2014 06:30PM
Back-to-back fun at West Springfield HS.
June 2013 this is what a faculty event at the Springfield Golf and Country Club looks like. It says "faculty pays a portion" (?). The payment breakdown consists of money from a special functions fund, the ECA, and "donations". 160 people. Almost $6000.
June 2013 An Admin at Lansdowne. Over $7000. Two nights. 15 people. The Chosen Few.
"We are broke. We are cutting programs for the children. We will have to raise taxes."
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June 2013 this is what a faculty event at the Springfield Golf and Country Club looks like. It says "faculty pays a portion" (?). The payment breakdown consists of money from a special functions fund, the ECA, and "donations". 160 people. Almost $6000.
June 2013 An Admin at Lansdowne. Over $7000. Two nights. 15 people. The Chosen Few.
"We are broke. We are cutting programs for the children. We will have to raise taxes."
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Posted by:
presidential ego
()
Date: August 25, 2014 09:09PM
WTF?? Greenfelder's room was 559.00 per night?? I checked Landsdowne's website and that is the most expensive suite they have (the presidential suite---something like 4 rooms at 1,000 square feet!).
Meanwhile teachers are paying for their own supplies? What kind of judgment is this? I'm sooo glad I didn't pay for a parking spot for my kid!
This guy was recently promoted to "executive principal". I guess he thinks of himself as an "executive" all right.
Meanwhile teachers are paying for their own supplies? What kind of judgment is this? I'm sooo glad I didn't pay for a parking spot for my kid!
This guy was recently promoted to "executive principal". I guess he thinks of himself as an "executive" all right.
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Posted by:
G-R-E-E-D
()
Date: August 25, 2014 09:17PM
I'm having a hard time understanding why these "administrators" have to drive a few miles down the road and stay overnight in order to discuss school concerns.
If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck. This was a JUNKET.
Oh, throw the teachers a donut or a Chipotle meal to make yourselves feel better.
If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck. This was a JUNKET.
Oh, throw the teachers a donut or a Chipotle meal to make yourselves feel better.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 26, 2014 07:39AM
presidential ego Wrote:
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> WTF?? Greenfelder's room was 559.00 per night??
> I checked Landsdowne's website and that is the
> most expensive suite they have (the presidential
> suite---something like 4 rooms at 1,000 square
> feet!).
>
> Meanwhile teachers are paying for their own
> supplies? What kind of judgment is this? I'm
> sooo glad I didn't pay for a parking spot for my
> kid!
>
> This guy was recently promoted to "executive
> principal". I guess he thinks of himself as an
> "executive" all right.
*******************We already went through this with Madison. With Madison I was told this room was taken out to be used as the "meeting room" instead of renting a conference room.
According to the Lansdowne phone rep I checked with this morning, this was the luxury suite, with two bedrooms, two bathrooms, a living room, eating area, wet bar, two balconies, with a view of the golf course/driving range/mountains. No parking lot view here was emphasized.
Notice some had to stay two nights, some stayed one, and there supposedly were some day guests, so the count was somewhere between 6-15 according to the records. I haven't located the "dinners on your own" yet.
What blew me away was that these were both in the same two week period. This was also after a payment on 5/30/2013 of $6217 to Burke Sporting Goods for faculty polos. So, that is about 20 grand. Poof. In about one month. For staff.
"We are cutting programs for the children."
-------------------------------------------------------
> WTF?? Greenfelder's room was 559.00 per night??
> I checked Landsdowne's website and that is the
> most expensive suite they have (the presidential
> suite---something like 4 rooms at 1,000 square
> feet!).
>
> Meanwhile teachers are paying for their own
> supplies? What kind of judgment is this? I'm
> sooo glad I didn't pay for a parking spot for my
> kid!
>
> This guy was recently promoted to "executive
> principal". I guess he thinks of himself as an
> "executive" all right.
*******************We already went through this with Madison. With Madison I was told this room was taken out to be used as the "meeting room" instead of renting a conference room.
According to the Lansdowne phone rep I checked with this morning, this was the luxury suite, with two bedrooms, two bathrooms, a living room, eating area, wet bar, two balconies, with a view of the golf course/driving range/mountains. No parking lot view here was emphasized.
Notice some had to stay two nights, some stayed one, and there supposedly were some day guests, so the count was somewhere between 6-15 according to the records. I haven't located the "dinners on your own" yet.
What blew me away was that these were both in the same two week period. This was also after a payment on 5/30/2013 of $6217 to Burke Sporting Goods for faculty polos. So, that is about 20 grand. Poof. In about one month. For staff.
"We are cutting programs for the children."
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Posted by:
the facts-wshs
()
Date: August 26, 2014 07:48AM
I found another $1089 for staff pullovers in July 2013, plus an additional $685 for admin windshirts. So, we are well over 20 grand for June and July. Whew.
It looks like they rent out parts of the building a LOT. I counted up +/- $15k over the 15 months I looked at, plus thousands on parking and vending machines. I didn't see any monopole money identified.
###############Your public dollars at work.
It looks like they rent out parts of the building a LOT. I counted up +/- $15k over the 15 months I looked at, plus thousands on parking and vending machines. I didn't see any monopole money identified.
###############Your public dollars at work.
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Posted by:
donald duck
()
Date: August 26, 2014 08:29AM
Quack quack waddle waddle.........
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Posted by:
retired teacher
()
Date: August 26, 2014 01:44PM
My God this is a disgrace. I was a teacher for 35 years in three different school districts and I have never heard of or seen anything like this.
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Posted by:
unfrickinbelievable
()
Date: August 26, 2014 03:08PM
What makes it even more appalling is that there is an event called Spartanfest (WSHS) with a silent auction, food, moonbounce, etc. The event is put on in order for the PTSA to raise money for teacher mini grants (yes for teachers to get things that they can use INSTRUCTIONALLY). It requires a major volunteer effort on the part of many parents, students, etc. We raised about the same amount that they spent on the junket to Landsdowne. This has me seeing more than red.
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Posted by:
picking our pockets
()
Date: August 26, 2014 03:09PM
I also understand that the principals get kick backs from the yearbook sales and the photograph sales. Can anyone confirm this?
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Posted by:
anon3
()
Date: August 26, 2014 04:37PM
The resort stays and high-end dining are not okay at all, but I don't take issue with something like a staff polo shirt being purchased. It is nice to see the teachers at certain events all wearing something tied to the school. It made it easy to identify teachers at back to school night last year and I thought promoted a positive school image. Not sure about the admin windshirts you talk about. Maybe they are used when admin are on duty at outdoor sporting events and need to be recognizable. Similar to a coach probably not paying for their own uniform.
A lot of what you are digging up seems to be stuff that money should not be spent on and some serious consequences should be dealt out. But there are also some things being purchased that go to the benefit of the school and students - maybe not as overtly as a textbook or staff position, but a justifiable expenditure.
A lot of what you are digging up seems to be stuff that money should not be spent on and some serious consequences should be dealt out. But there are also some things being purchased that go to the benefit of the school and students - maybe not as overtly as a textbook or staff position, but a justifiable expenditure.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 26, 2014 05:26PM
I think they certainly need to discuss some limits on an appropriate amount of
clothing to buy for staff. That is a gray area. I don't know the answer to that, but when you are dropping $12,000+ on this stuff....I know some of the expenditures for other things can be justified, but quite honestly, what can be justified is far outweighed by the ridiculous.
I know a lot of the parent groups work very hard to raise money for the programs. I can empathize with the WSHS parent who is seeing more than red. Parents have also been told there is no money for things that need to be done and no time to help with issues. And then the staff are running in circles going to restaurants, admins, retreats at baseball games, etc. spending money we have given them. And if teachers are seeing their class sizes increase, I am sure this is very discouraging.
I am very glad people are venting on this. I have a few more schools to pull some detailed information on. Feel free to pull anything you want. All the ECA's have been posted. I am just pulling snippets here and there. I can't do it all. The DCCO and the school staff have been churning out the information.
Don't know anything about the pictures and yearbook sales. However, if you are writing a check to the school for any of this, those are public records. If the school system has a contract signed for the pictures and yearbooks, you have a right to see a copy of the contracts and probably anything related to these transactions. These are very easily obtained. It should be very clear in the contracts what is going on.
clothing to buy for staff. That is a gray area. I don't know the answer to that, but when you are dropping $12,000+ on this stuff....I know some of the expenditures for other things can be justified, but quite honestly, what can be justified is far outweighed by the ridiculous.
I know a lot of the parent groups work very hard to raise money for the programs. I can empathize with the WSHS parent who is seeing more than red. Parents have also been told there is no money for things that need to be done and no time to help with issues. And then the staff are running in circles going to restaurants, admins, retreats at baseball games, etc. spending money we have given them. And if teachers are seeing their class sizes increase, I am sure this is very discouraging.
I am very glad people are venting on this. I have a few more schools to pull some detailed information on. Feel free to pull anything you want. All the ECA's have been posted. I am just pulling snippets here and there. I can't do it all. The DCCO and the school staff have been churning out the information.
Don't know anything about the pictures and yearbook sales. However, if you are writing a check to the school for any of this, those are public records. If the school system has a contract signed for the pictures and yearbooks, you have a right to see a copy of the contracts and probably anything related to these transactions. These are very easily obtained. It should be very clear in the contracts what is going on.
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Posted by:
Know about publications
()
Date: August 26, 2014 08:44PM
There are no kickbacks for yearbook sales. There is a commission for all pictures. Both yearbook companies and photographers enter into a contract with the school and follow guidelines from the RFP developed by FCPS. It is standard practice nationwide for commissions to go to the school for pictures. Not for yearbooks.
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Posted by:
the facts-WSHS
()
Date: August 26, 2014 09:46PM
A $900 meeting at Springfield Golf and Country Club.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 26, 2014 09:56PM
I know it looks nice to have staff in school themed clothing. However, as I pointed out, I think the idea of feeding/clothing/entertaining 250 staff members is simply not realistic using public funds.
One $30 polo per staff member is $7500. Many schools are spending a lot more than this.
12 jackets for the admin team at $100 per jacket is $1200.
I can see certain circumstances where you need to have a strong presence of who is on staff. However, they also are all required to wear lanyards, which certainly distinguishes them as staff.
One $10 meal at the school per person is $2500. Multiplied by several times a year.
And there is still no rational explanation that I can see for the huge number of many times very pricey meals at local restaurants. There is not any provision for that in the current regulations. You either buy your own meals out of your paycheck or you get the $11.50 or mileage and pay for your meals out of that.
They really need to update and clarify the regulations badly.
One $30 polo per staff member is $7500. Many schools are spending a lot more than this.
12 jackets for the admin team at $100 per jacket is $1200.
I can see certain circumstances where you need to have a strong presence of who is on staff. However, they also are all required to wear lanyards, which certainly distinguishes them as staff.
One $10 meal at the school per person is $2500. Multiplied by several times a year.
And there is still no rational explanation that I can see for the huge number of many times very pricey meals at local restaurants. There is not any provision for that in the current regulations. You either buy your own meals out of your paycheck or you get the $11.50 or mileage and pay for your meals out of that.
They really need to update and clarify the regulations badly.
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Posted by:
calling it
()
Date: August 26, 2014 11:18PM
Okay, Barb -
At this point I call bullshit. I no longer think you are in this fight for the good of the taxpayer/schoolchild/community or whatever it is you claim to be doing this for. Initially, when you started this vendetta, I felt similarly skeptical of your efforts, but then you kind of won me over recently with some very reasoned comments and documents that coincided with your concerns. I was even raising my pitchfork along with you against those lavish dinners and hotel stays. But then I read back through the thread a bit. And then your most recent post. You are incapable of accepting another viewpoint that deviates even slightly from your spittle-frothed tirade against FCPS.
Really, I think you could be diagnosed with a mental illness for the severity of your obsession. Wait....wait! Don't rage yet. Keep reading. And don't get me wrong before I state my case. Pet your troll doll, rub your worry-stone, count to ten, or do whatever it is that backs you away from the cliff. Because I'm totally on board with you as far as stopping lavish spending. Completely on board. There is clearly a lot of it and it is WRONG and I AGREE with you on that! But many of the things you are rallying against end up being quite legitimate when you reason through it. But if someone argues in support of something you've rallied against, you clearly give these instances no consideration. Well maybe, maybe, you call it a gray area or something you'll have to think about, but inevitably you come back an hour later and start a rant that casts stones, twists to four other topics, and then finishes with a rally cry for other readers to submit FOIAs.
Now is this all together a bad thing? Your having a deeply rooted hatred for FCPS and having found an outlet for it? Probably not. Even though born in hatred, your vitriol has unearthed some real issues. Issues that should be addressed thoroughly by FCPS and the community involved. But instead of pursuing this in a way that promotes cooperation, or draws in those who might be skeptics, you go bat-shit on an anonymous message board. And you do it well. You respond to other posters in minutes (sometimes seconds). You post new discoveries as if readers are sitting around refreshing the page in anticipation of the most recent atrocity you've unearthed. And then the worst. In my opinion, the worst thing you do. You make comments. Not just here and there. But in almost every post, you lump large factions of, and even sometimes the entire education community, together in this like it is a conspiracy to game the taxpayer.
Do you really think people get into teaching for the perks? 17% of teachers leave the profession each year. ALMOST HALF of teachers leave before they finish five years of teaching. The perks..... yes, clearly everyone is in it for the Papa John's and polo shirts they feel embarrassed to be caught wearing when running to Harris Teeter after school. What do you want them to do, refuse the free burrito? Maybe if you post enough in the next week, teachers will protest against their Panera boxes on Back-to-School night next week, wearing t-shirts the proclaim "I Stand With Barb."
Okay, okay, my turn to calm down. I know, you've maid it clear, two times out of the last 300 that you've posted, that you appreciate teachers. Thank you. Thank you for your support. But it does feel a bit like lip-service. So carry-on. Keep posting. You're probably getting somewhere. I'm sure you've changed and will continue to change some regulations. But do you have to do it in such a nasty way? So many in the education do a fabulous job - and usually with laughable resources. But yet you post documents that incriminate a select few, while at the same time railing against everyone who receive a paycheck from FCPS.
My advice? Keep it up. But change your tactics. Because right now mostly all you are doing is providing fodder for others like you who gain pleasure from acting inhumanely on anonymous boards that afford you the social security to do so.
Thanks for being passionate and turning over some stones that should be, but change your approach and stop lumping all educators in this together!
At this point I call bullshit. I no longer think you are in this fight for the good of the taxpayer/schoolchild/community or whatever it is you claim to be doing this for. Initially, when you started this vendetta, I felt similarly skeptical of your efforts, but then you kind of won me over recently with some very reasoned comments and documents that coincided with your concerns. I was even raising my pitchfork along with you against those lavish dinners and hotel stays. But then I read back through the thread a bit. And then your most recent post. You are incapable of accepting another viewpoint that deviates even slightly from your spittle-frothed tirade against FCPS.
Really, I think you could be diagnosed with a mental illness for the severity of your obsession. Wait....wait! Don't rage yet. Keep reading. And don't get me wrong before I state my case. Pet your troll doll, rub your worry-stone, count to ten, or do whatever it is that backs you away from the cliff. Because I'm totally on board with you as far as stopping lavish spending. Completely on board. There is clearly a lot of it and it is WRONG and I AGREE with you on that! But many of the things you are rallying against end up being quite legitimate when you reason through it. But if someone argues in support of something you've rallied against, you clearly give these instances no consideration. Well maybe, maybe, you call it a gray area or something you'll have to think about, but inevitably you come back an hour later and start a rant that casts stones, twists to four other topics, and then finishes with a rally cry for other readers to submit FOIAs.
Now is this all together a bad thing? Your having a deeply rooted hatred for FCPS and having found an outlet for it? Probably not. Even though born in hatred, your vitriol has unearthed some real issues. Issues that should be addressed thoroughly by FCPS and the community involved. But instead of pursuing this in a way that promotes cooperation, or draws in those who might be skeptics, you go bat-shit on an anonymous message board. And you do it well. You respond to other posters in minutes (sometimes seconds). You post new discoveries as if readers are sitting around refreshing the page in anticipation of the most recent atrocity you've unearthed. And then the worst. In my opinion, the worst thing you do. You make comments. Not just here and there. But in almost every post, you lump large factions of, and even sometimes the entire education community, together in this like it is a conspiracy to game the taxpayer.
Do you really think people get into teaching for the perks? 17% of teachers leave the profession each year. ALMOST HALF of teachers leave before they finish five years of teaching. The perks..... yes, clearly everyone is in it for the Papa John's and polo shirts they feel embarrassed to be caught wearing when running to Harris Teeter after school. What do you want them to do, refuse the free burrito? Maybe if you post enough in the next week, teachers will protest against their Panera boxes on Back-to-School night next week, wearing t-shirts the proclaim "I Stand With Barb."
Okay, okay, my turn to calm down. I know, you've maid it clear, two times out of the last 300 that you've posted, that you appreciate teachers. Thank you. Thank you for your support. But it does feel a bit like lip-service. So carry-on. Keep posting. You're probably getting somewhere. I'm sure you've changed and will continue to change some regulations. But do you have to do it in such a nasty way? So many in the education do a fabulous job - and usually with laughable resources. But yet you post documents that incriminate a select few, while at the same time railing against everyone who receive a paycheck from FCPS.
My advice? Keep it up. But change your tactics. Because right now mostly all you are doing is providing fodder for others like you who gain pleasure from acting inhumanely on anonymous boards that afford you the social security to do so.
Thanks for being passionate and turning over some stones that should be, but change your approach and stop lumping all educators in this together!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
hurting deeply
()
Date: August 27, 2014 06:55AM
^^^^^^^
From the above verbal diarrhea you can see this thread is really getting under someone's skin. The misdirection about "poor teachers" deserving a little compensation is the tip off. How are the "poor teachers" made to feel better by 600 dollar luxury suites they never see the inside of?
The issue is not the "poor teachers", but the unaccountable spending of public money on whatever an individual wants
From the above verbal diarrhea you can see this thread is really getting under someone's skin. The misdirection about "poor teachers" deserving a little compensation is the tip off. How are the "poor teachers" made to feel better by 600 dollar luxury suites they never see the inside of?
The issue is not the "poor teachers", but the unaccountable spending of public money on whatever an individual wants
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 27, 2014 09:56AM
Dear Calling It-
I can make comments if I want. And I will. And there is NOTHING anybody can do about it. And I see no reason to sugarcoat anything. I am making comments about public records and use of public dollars. And if you think you can do whatever you want with public dollars in order to try to make up for people who are unhappy with their jobs, you are on very thin ice. You work in a glass house. You CHOSE to do that. Arrogance is a big part of the problem here, and you are displaying that very nicely.
People find a lot worse things that are interesting in their lives. Like making reservations at luxury resorts and arranging massages paid for by public dollars and wandering down to a Nats game and calling it a retreat and sticking us with the bill. I think this is very interesting. So do a lot of other people. This thread has been getting as many as 600 hits a day. Average is about 150-200. At that rate it doesn't take long to respond to somebody. I think it is a great idea to put out the public information. And I know I am not the only one that thinks this needs to be addressed, sooner rather than later.
I still say this is a great place to put out the public information because people can say anything they want (even you), it is free, it is already established. If you don't like it, then quit reading it. There is nothing wrong with anonymous boards. It's not like all of us can meet once a week at a meeting.
If anybody doesn't like being commented on or having their usage of public funds on display here, then clean up your act.
Are you getting a little nervous? Are you using the p-card or ordering up a check this week? Think it through.
I can make comments if I want. And I will. And there is NOTHING anybody can do about it. And I see no reason to sugarcoat anything. I am making comments about public records and use of public dollars. And if you think you can do whatever you want with public dollars in order to try to make up for people who are unhappy with their jobs, you are on very thin ice. You work in a glass house. You CHOSE to do that. Arrogance is a big part of the problem here, and you are displaying that very nicely.
People find a lot worse things that are interesting in their lives. Like making reservations at luxury resorts and arranging massages paid for by public dollars and wandering down to a Nats game and calling it a retreat and sticking us with the bill. I think this is very interesting. So do a lot of other people. This thread has been getting as many as 600 hits a day. Average is about 150-200. At that rate it doesn't take long to respond to somebody. I think it is a great idea to put out the public information. And I know I am not the only one that thinks this needs to be addressed, sooner rather than later.
I still say this is a great place to put out the public information because people can say anything they want (even you), it is free, it is already established. If you don't like it, then quit reading it. There is nothing wrong with anonymous boards. It's not like all of us can meet once a week at a meeting.
If anybody doesn't like being commented on or having their usage of public funds on display here, then clean up your act.
Are you getting a little nervous? Are you using the p-card or ordering up a check this week? Think it through.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 27, 2014 12:17PM
Some records on the New Orleans trip. Again, the focus is primarily on the slush fund. Remember, we are required to provide this training for the School Board. It comes out of appropriated funds.
It is noted that the plane ticket for the Superintendent's husband was charged to a county card and the school system was reimbursed.
They were indeed on per diem, as the non-local travel regulation requires, and it is being calculated out in detail rather than just paying out at the full rate. I don't have any information on what was so "special" about the fancy dinner at Two Sisters that warranted that it would be paid out separately out of appropriated funds.
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It is noted that the plane ticket for the Superintendent's husband was charged to a county card and the school system was reimbursed.
They were indeed on per diem, as the non-local travel regulation requires, and it is being calculated out in detail rather than just paying out at the full rate. I don't have any information on what was so "special" about the fancy dinner at Two Sisters that warranted that it would be paid out separately out of appropriated funds.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
ikuyf
()
Date: August 27, 2014 03:33PM
hurting deeply Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ^^^^^^^
> From the above verbal diarrhea you can see this
> thread is really getting under someone's skin. The
> misdirection about "poor teachers" deserving a
> little compensation is the tip off. How are the
> "poor teachers" made to feel better by 600 dollar
> luxury suites they never see the inside of?
>
> The issue is not the "poor teachers", but the
> unaccountable spending of public money on whatever
> an individual wants
My guess is that Calling It was up late drinking a significant amount of alcohol and wishing they had made better decisions.
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> ^^^^^^^
> From the above verbal diarrhea you can see this
> thread is really getting under someone's skin. The
> misdirection about "poor teachers" deserving a
> little compensation is the tip off. How are the
> "poor teachers" made to feel better by 600 dollar
> luxury suites they never see the inside of?
>
> The issue is not the "poor teachers", but the
> unaccountable spending of public money on whatever
> an individual wants
My guess is that Calling It was up late drinking a significant amount of alcohol and wishing they had made better decisions.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
calling it
()
Date: August 27, 2014 06:07PM
Classroom teacher. No access to funds other than through a purchase order (unless I go out of pocket, sans reimbursement, because the kids can't wait a week for admin to return the paperwork approved - that happens quite a bit the week before school starts), so not sure how nerves would play in. Although, I'm sure you are making some people very nervous (I actually think I applauded you for that in the last post). Your tactics for that are solid. But your tone and approach end up slandering the entire dart board, rather than just hitting the bullseye.
The community likes and trusts all FCPS teachers less in general because of you. Thanks for that. Especially from those of us who toe-the-line, we appreciate you getting us lumped in with the steak dinners.
Question: Back to School Night is coming up. Over the years we've had Panera, Baja Fresh, Domino's, or Chipotle. Every one of those options is less expensive for the taxpayer than if we put in for the meal reimbursement rate individually. Saving money. Less expensive. Yet, you would post it on this board in a heartbeat and lambast it. Should I tell my principal to cancel my sandwich and do the meal reimbursement instead?
I reread my previous post a few times and stand by it. I think I made it clear that your endeavor is valid and should continue (albeit in a better manner). I also think I mentioned that you have difficulty considering a viewpoint other than your own and go instantly into defense mode. Of course you can put your opinion on this board and there is "NOTHING" anyone can do about it. I have no doubt that you'll continue. But you could do it better.
The community likes and trusts all FCPS teachers less in general because of you. Thanks for that. Especially from those of us who toe-the-line, we appreciate you getting us lumped in with the steak dinners.
Question: Back to School Night is coming up. Over the years we've had Panera, Baja Fresh, Domino's, or Chipotle. Every one of those options is less expensive for the taxpayer than if we put in for the meal reimbursement rate individually. Saving money. Less expensive. Yet, you would post it on this board in a heartbeat and lambast it. Should I tell my principal to cancel my sandwich and do the meal reimbursement instead?
I reread my previous post a few times and stand by it. I think I made it clear that your endeavor is valid and should continue (albeit in a better manner). I also think I mentioned that you have difficulty considering a viewpoint other than your own and go instantly into defense mode. Of course you can put your opinion on this board and there is "NOTHING" anyone can do about it. I have no doubt that you'll continue. But you could do it better.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
it's called brown bagging try it
()
Date: August 27, 2014 06:27PM
calling it Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Classroom teacher. No access to funds other than
> through a purchase order (unless I go out of
> pocket, sans reimbursement, because the kids can't
> wait a week for admin to return the paperwork
> approved - that happens quite a bit the week
> before school starts), so not sure how nerves
> would play in. Although, I'm sure you are making
> some people very nervous (I actually think I
> applauded you for that in the last post). Your
> tactics for that are solid. But your tone and
> approach end up slandering the entire dart board,
> rather than just hitting the bullseye.
>
> The community likes and trusts all FCPS teachers
> less in general because of you. Thanks for that.
> Especially from those of us who toe-the-line, we
> appreciate you getting us lumped in with the steak
> dinners.
>
> Question: Back to School Night is coming up. Over
> the years we've had Panera, Baja Fresh, Domino's,
> or Chipotle. Every one of those options is less
> expensive for the taxpayer than if we put in for
> the meal reimbursement rate individually. Saving
> money. Less expensive. Yet, you would post it on
> this board in a heartbeat and lambast it. Should I
> tell my principal to cancel my sandwich and do the
> meal reimbursement instead?
>
> I reread my previous post a few times and stand by
> it. I think I made it clear that your endeavor is
> valid and should continue (albeit in a better
> manner). I also think I mentioned that you have
> difficulty considering a viewpoint other than your
> own and go instantly into defense mode. Of course
> you can put your opinion on this board and there
> is "NOTHING" anyone can do about it. I have no
> doubt that you'll continue. But you could do it
> better.
Why don't you just pack a bologna sandwich like the rest of us. You guys have a good propaganda campaign to make everyone think you are so special you deserve a lot of perks.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Classroom teacher. No access to funds other than
> through a purchase order (unless I go out of
> pocket, sans reimbursement, because the kids can't
> wait a week for admin to return the paperwork
> approved - that happens quite a bit the week
> before school starts), so not sure how nerves
> would play in. Although, I'm sure you are making
> some people very nervous (I actually think I
> applauded you for that in the last post). Your
> tactics for that are solid. But your tone and
> approach end up slandering the entire dart board,
> rather than just hitting the bullseye.
>
> The community likes and trusts all FCPS teachers
> less in general because of you. Thanks for that.
> Especially from those of us who toe-the-line, we
> appreciate you getting us lumped in with the steak
> dinners.
>
> Question: Back to School Night is coming up. Over
> the years we've had Panera, Baja Fresh, Domino's,
> or Chipotle. Every one of those options is less
> expensive for the taxpayer than if we put in for
> the meal reimbursement rate individually. Saving
> money. Less expensive. Yet, you would post it on
> this board in a heartbeat and lambast it. Should I
> tell my principal to cancel my sandwich and do the
> meal reimbursement instead?
>
> I reread my previous post a few times and stand by
> it. I think I made it clear that your endeavor is
> valid and should continue (albeit in a better
> manner). I also think I mentioned that you have
> difficulty considering a viewpoint other than your
> own and go instantly into defense mode. Of course
> you can put your opinion on this board and there
> is "NOTHING" anyone can do about it. I have no
> doubt that you'll continue. But you could do it
> better.
Why don't you just pack a bologna sandwich like the rest of us. You guys have a good propaganda campaign to make everyone think you are so special you deserve a lot of perks.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 27, 2014 06:45PM
I have no idea how to handle BTS night. It is mentioned specifically in one of the regulations. I have left that out of any discussion or comments because I am not sure how it factors in. I am sure whoever is working through this in Financial Services/Comptroller will figure it out.
I think many of the people posting on this thread have a hard time seeing any other side. From both sides of the fence.
I haven't lumped the teachers in with the steak dinners. They aren't making these decisions. I think everybody knows that.
I in particular mentioned Langley using some of this money to pay an accompanist for the chorus. Direct classroom support. Nice idea if it can be done. I also pointed out several other student oriented things, safety equipment, etc.
I do feel that if changes are going to be made, it will be an adjustment for many people. I think that expectations have gotten out of control. When you think you are entitled to lunch at the Country Club, breakfast and/or lunch several times a month for 200 staff, clothing supplied by the school system, massages, flowers, golf outings, and gifts, all paid for with public money, and then the plan changes...... On the other hand, if the plug is also pulled on these Admins and fancy dinners out on the town that the teachers can only dream about............We'll see.
I think many of the people posting on this thread have a hard time seeing any other side. From both sides of the fence.
I haven't lumped the teachers in with the steak dinners. They aren't making these decisions. I think everybody knows that.
I in particular mentioned Langley using some of this money to pay an accompanist for the chorus. Direct classroom support. Nice idea if it can be done. I also pointed out several other student oriented things, safety equipment, etc.
I do feel that if changes are going to be made, it will be an adjustment for many people. I think that expectations have gotten out of control. When you think you are entitled to lunch at the Country Club, breakfast and/or lunch several times a month for 200 staff, clothing supplied by the school system, massages, flowers, golf outings, and gifts, all paid for with public money, and then the plan changes...... On the other hand, if the plug is also pulled on these Admins and fancy dinners out on the town that the teachers can only dream about............We'll see.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
calling it
()
Date: August 27, 2014 07:23PM
it's called brown bagging try it Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why don't you just pack a bologna sandwich like
> the rest of us. You guys have a good propaganda
> campaign to make everyone think you are so special
> you deserve a lot of perks.
I pack my lunch daily. The referred to meal-reimbursements are for days when required to be in the school building for many hours past contract without compensation. Back to School Night, a good example, is a day where most teachers arrive at 7:30am and leave the building at 8:30pm. The county regulations allow for a meal reimbursement on a day like this at the rate of $11.50. There are usually 2 or 3 of these type days a year - others include curriculum night and end of year awards ceremony. Sometimes food is provided by the school instead of having everyone apply for reimbursement. This method is cheaper overall.
I don't doubt that there are some schools that provide more and push it beyond reason, but from all the conversations I've ever had with colleagues at other schools, I think my situation is pretty much the norm - polo shirt and a couple cheap dinners throughout the entire year. I've never had a massage, played golf, received a gift (well, there was a neck lanyard given when I reached 10 years in the county), or eaten more than 2 or 3 meals paid for by the school in a year on extended work days. Yet if I introduced myself to half the readers of this thread as an FCPS teacher, they'd assume I was living the good life on their dime.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why don't you just pack a bologna sandwich like
> the rest of us. You guys have a good propaganda
> campaign to make everyone think you are so special
> you deserve a lot of perks.
I pack my lunch daily. The referred to meal-reimbursements are for days when required to be in the school building for many hours past contract without compensation. Back to School Night, a good example, is a day where most teachers arrive at 7:30am and leave the building at 8:30pm. The county regulations allow for a meal reimbursement on a day like this at the rate of $11.50. There are usually 2 or 3 of these type days a year - others include curriculum night and end of year awards ceremony. Sometimes food is provided by the school instead of having everyone apply for reimbursement. This method is cheaper overall.
I don't doubt that there are some schools that provide more and push it beyond reason, but from all the conversations I've ever had with colleagues at other schools, I think my situation is pretty much the norm - polo shirt and a couple cheap dinners throughout the entire year. I've never had a massage, played golf, received a gift (well, there was a neck lanyard given when I reached 10 years in the county), or eaten more than 2 or 3 meals paid for by the school in a year on extended work days. Yet if I introduced myself to half the readers of this thread as an FCPS teacher, they'd assume I was living the good life on their dime.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 27, 2014 07:51PM
I don't think teachers are necessarily living the good life on the taxpayer dime, particularly as a younger teacher. However, there are some very big problems at various schools. And I think expectations have gotten out of control. I think the principals and Administrators are in the hot seat on this.
I am seeing multiple schools with multiple staff meals/snacks per month/per week. And the gifts/flowers etc. also need to be looked at. As I have pointed out, these are public funds, even though not obtained via taxes. With management of public funds comes ethics, limitations, etc. You can't pay your mortgage or car payment with public funds. You can't buy a birthday present for your child out of public funds. You can't pay for a meal or transportation expenses for your spouse out of public funds. You can't supplement your salary by taking the p-card and hitting up the local restaurants with your co-workers. You can't write a check out of public funds to a teacher to help them out with their personal expenses. That is just the way it is.
You can't just do whatever with them, which is exactly what has been going on. I didn't make up this information. I didn't make any of these decisions. I just found out about it a year and a half ago, could not believe what I was seeing, and followed up on it. Don't shoot the messenger.
I am seeing multiple schools with multiple staff meals/snacks per month/per week. And the gifts/flowers etc. also need to be looked at. As I have pointed out, these are public funds, even though not obtained via taxes. With management of public funds comes ethics, limitations, etc. You can't pay your mortgage or car payment with public funds. You can't buy a birthday present for your child out of public funds. You can't pay for a meal or transportation expenses for your spouse out of public funds. You can't supplement your salary by taking the p-card and hitting up the local restaurants with your co-workers. You can't write a check out of public funds to a teacher to help them out with their personal expenses. That is just the way it is.
You can't just do whatever with them, which is exactly what has been going on. I didn't make up this information. I didn't make any of these decisions. I just found out about it a year and a half ago, could not believe what I was seeing, and followed up on it. Don't shoot the messenger.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
not a teacher slush fund
()
Date: August 27, 2014 09:22PM
I really don't think that people reading this are seeing that the teachers are getting the perks. The baseball game, the "retreats" and conferences to resort hotels, golf, etc. have all been things benefiting administrators---not teachers. Many of the restaurant meals did not include teachers.
It makes me wonder what people higher up the chain have been funding for themselves.
It makes me wonder what people higher up the chain have been funding for themselves.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
calling it
()
Date: August 27, 2014 09:44PM
Thanks for these moments of clarity.
Please keep things focused clearly on those guilty parties and avoid language that infers guilt upon the other 99% of the school system.
Please keep things focused clearly on those guilty parties and avoid language that infers guilt upon the other 99% of the school system.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 28, 2014 08:40AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^I have been very clear.
There are a lot of very confused people out there. The title of this thread is PRINCIPAL slush fun, NOT TEACHER slush fund. The teachers generally don't carry p-cards and sign checks. They are getting clothing and gifts and massages, etc., but if they are offered this, take it. I would, too. The control of the funds rests with Administration. And yes, I can see that a lot of the high end living is theirs, NOT the classroom teacher. I was the one who got all the names and identified the events, remember? I even went to the school websites to see who these people were. I was really surprised at all the Admins and the associated price tags. I really hadn't expected that. I was floored at the costs. Why would anybody think it would be acceptable to spend $70 a person on breakfast and lunch, plus an expensive dinner, and $180 a night on hotel rooms right down the road from home?
The people who hold the pens and the plastic need to get it together. There needs to be expectation adjustment by ALL.
I am sure the Comptroller's office can fine tune this. This will be quite a project. I put this all out here to get the discussion going. It is fast, economical, and spreads like wildfire. I can only imagine what is going on with parents, teachers, administrators. Good. This is obviously just too much money to leave up to people with "do whatever you think is appropriate" as their only instructions.
There are a lot of very confused people out there. The title of this thread is PRINCIPAL slush fun, NOT TEACHER slush fund. The teachers generally don't carry p-cards and sign checks. They are getting clothing and gifts and massages, etc., but if they are offered this, take it. I would, too. The control of the funds rests with Administration. And yes, I can see that a lot of the high end living is theirs, NOT the classroom teacher. I was the one who got all the names and identified the events, remember? I even went to the school websites to see who these people were. I was really surprised at all the Admins and the associated price tags. I really hadn't expected that. I was floored at the costs. Why would anybody think it would be acceptable to spend $70 a person on breakfast and lunch, plus an expensive dinner, and $180 a night on hotel rooms right down the road from home?
The people who hold the pens and the plastic need to get it together. There needs to be expectation adjustment by ALL.
I am sure the Comptroller's office can fine tune this. This will be quite a project. I put this all out here to get the discussion going. It is fast, economical, and spreads like wildfire. I can only imagine what is going on with parents, teachers, administrators. Good. This is obviously just too much money to leave up to people with "do whatever you think is appropriate" as their only instructions.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
yuhu
()
Date: August 28, 2014 12:43PM
Funny how we haven't heard a thing from the people going on the junkets. They are probably figuring out how to deal with the angry masses and have been told to lay low.....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: August 28, 2014 09:03PM
calling it Wrote:
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> it's called brown bagging try it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Why don't you just pack a bologna sandwich like
> > the rest of us. You guys have a good propaganda
> > campaign to make everyone think you are so
> special
> > you deserve a lot of perks.
>
>
> I pack my lunch daily. The referred to
> meal-reimbursements are for days when required to
> be in the school building for many hours past
> contract without compensation. Back to School
> Night, a good example, is a day where most
> teachers arrive at 7:30am and leave the building
> at 8:30pm. The county regulations allow for a meal
> reimbursement on a day like this at the rate of
> $11.50. There are usually 2 or 3 of these type
> days a year - others include curriculum night and
> end of year awards ceremony. Sometimes food is
> provided by the school instead of having everyone
> apply for reimbursement. This method is cheaper
> overall.
>
> I don't doubt that there are some schools that
> provide more and push it beyond reason, but from
> all the conversations I've ever had with
> colleagues at other schools, I think my situation
> is pretty much the norm - polo shirt and a couple
> cheap dinners throughout the entire year. I've
> never had a massage, played golf, received a gift
> (well, there was a neck lanyard given when I
> reached 10 years in the county), or eaten more
> than 2 or 3 meals paid for by the school in a year
> on extended work days. Yet if I introduced myself
> to half the readers of this thread as an FCPS
> teacher, they'd assume I was living the good life
> on their dime.
Reg 5310 actually says Back to School night is a specific exception to being entitled to the $11.50 or mileage for a local meal due to working outside of regular hours. Page 3.
I don't know what the deal is. I am sure they will address this.
Attachments:
![R5310[1].pdf](http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=154493,filename=R5310_1_.pdf "R5310[1].pdf")
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> it's called brown bagging try it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Why don't you just pack a bologna sandwich like
> > the rest of us. You guys have a good propaganda
> > campaign to make everyone think you are so
> special
> > you deserve a lot of perks.
>
>
> I pack my lunch daily. The referred to
> meal-reimbursements are for days when required to
> be in the school building for many hours past
> contract without compensation. Back to School
> Night, a good example, is a day where most
> teachers arrive at 7:30am and leave the building
> at 8:30pm. The county regulations allow for a meal
> reimbursement on a day like this at the rate of
> $11.50. There are usually 2 or 3 of these type
> days a year - others include curriculum night and
> end of year awards ceremony. Sometimes food is
> provided by the school instead of having everyone
> apply for reimbursement. This method is cheaper
> overall.
>
> I don't doubt that there are some schools that
> provide more and push it beyond reason, but from
> all the conversations I've ever had with
> colleagues at other schools, I think my situation
> is pretty much the norm - polo shirt and a couple
> cheap dinners throughout the entire year. I've
> never had a massage, played golf, received a gift
> (well, there was a neck lanyard given when I
> reached 10 years in the county), or eaten more
> than 2 or 3 meals paid for by the school in a year
> on extended work days. Yet if I introduced myself
> to half the readers of this thread as an FCPS
> teacher, they'd assume I was living the good life
> on their dime.
Reg 5310 actually says Back to School night is a specific exception to being entitled to the $11.50 or mileage for a local meal due to working outside of regular hours. Page 3.
I don't know what the deal is. I am sure they will address this.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
LOL @ YOU
()
Date: August 28, 2014 09:07PM
I just love the fake outrage here...none of you really care because if you did, you wouldn't be on a website bitching in anonymity. If you actually gave a fuck, you'd go to the fucking school board or w/e and air your grievances.
Bunch of fake tough guys and gals on here.
Bunch of fake tough guys and gals on here.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the outrage is not fake
()
Date: August 28, 2014 09:37PM
Not everyone has time to go to the "fucking school board" meetings (your words). You actually sound pretty outraged yourself. Some people have already emailed their board rep and that should be enough to get some action. The reps are supposed to respond to their constituents. I have aired complaints in that fashion (with my name attached). Just because people are on here does not mean that they have not emailed their reps. You are making that assumption.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
UMADBRO
()
Date: August 28, 2014 11:02PM
the outrage is not fake Wrote:
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> Not everyone has time to go to the "fucking school
> board" meetings (your words). You actually sound
> pretty outraged yourself. Some people have
> already emailed their board rep and that should be
> enough to get some action. The reps are supposed
> to respond to their constituents. I have aired
> complaints in that fashion (with my name
> attached). Just because people are on here does
> not mean that they have not emailed their reps.
> You are making that assumption.
YUMADTHO?
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> Not everyone has time to go to the "fucking school
> board" meetings (your words). You actually sound
> pretty outraged yourself. Some people have
> already emailed their board rep and that should be
> enough to get some action. The reps are supposed
> to respond to their constituents. I have aired
> complaints in that fashion (with my name
> attached). Just because people are on here does
> not mean that they have not emailed their reps.
> You are making that assumption.
YUMADTHO?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
doing the math?
()
Date: September 02, 2014 07:01AM
Do the math on the baseball game. 18 administrators for at least 6 hours at say $50 an hour equals $5400. Add in the tickets and we paid about $6000 for a baseball game for these people. Do you really think they took vacation time to go to this during the work week? Were they discussing school issues in the stands? Did they bring work with them to complete while they were watching the game and eating hot dogs?
Somehow, I doubt it.
Go Nats.
Somehow, I doubt it.
Go Nats.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
tres minutos
()
Date: September 02, 2014 08:12AM
If you do go to an "effin school board meeting" you are given 3 minutes to speak.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
what me work a full day?
()
Date: September 02, 2014 11:39AM
doing the math? Wrote:
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> Do the math on the baseball game. 18
> administrators for at least 6 hours at say $50 an
> hour equals $5400. Add in the tickets and we paid
> about $6000 for a baseball game for these people.
> Do you really think they took vacation time to go
> to this during the work week? Were they discussing
> school issues in the stands? Did they bring work
> with them to complete while they were watching the
> game and eating hot dogs?
>
> Somehow, I doubt it.
>
> Go Nats.
In a lot of schools they don't take vacation time for much of anything unless it involves being gone a few days. When the principal doesn't throw down a leave slip, what makes you think the staff does? In high school there are many teachers without a first or last period class. We saw a corp of regulars either coming in late almost day or heading out early. ( doctors appointments, child care issues etc etc etc)... Like the rest of the school system, not much oversite and even less work ethic.
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> Do the math on the baseball game. 18
> administrators for at least 6 hours at say $50 an
> hour equals $5400. Add in the tickets and we paid
> about $6000 for a baseball game for these people.
> Do you really think they took vacation time to go
> to this during the work week? Were they discussing
> school issues in the stands? Did they bring work
> with them to complete while they were watching the
> game and eating hot dogs?
>
> Somehow, I doubt it.
>
> Go Nats.
In a lot of schools they don't take vacation time for much of anything unless it involves being gone a few days. When the principal doesn't throw down a leave slip, what makes you think the staff does? In high school there are many teachers without a first or last period class. We saw a corp of regulars either coming in late almost day or heading out early. ( doctors appointments, child care issues etc etc etc)... Like the rest of the school system, not much oversite and even less work ethic.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
gfhj
()
Date: September 02, 2014 12:31PM
I think the $20 seats are right in front of the bar....Popular seats.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
breaking even?
()
Date: September 02, 2014 12:51PM
They probably figure they break even if they come in late or leave early, with all the time they spend outside of the classroom and offices doing school business. Don't know how the contracts read.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Interested reader
()
Date: September 03, 2014 09:46PM
Dear the facts,
Congratulations, your efforts have paid off. There are now new ECA guidelines, effective September 1.
Congratulations, your efforts have paid off. There are now new ECA guidelines, effective September 1.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 04, 2014 09:30AM
^^^Well, we'll see about that.
Regardless, they are all getting pulled again next year. :-).
Regardless, they are all getting pulled again next year. :-).
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
fake democracy
()
Date: September 04, 2014 10:52AM
tres minutos Wrote:
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> If you do go to an "effin school board meeting"
> you are given 3 minutes to speak.
That ain't enough. Are you kidding?
-------------------------------------------------------
> If you do go to an "effin school board meeting"
> you are given 3 minutes to speak.
That ain't enough. Are you kidding?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 04, 2014 03:48PM
Ok folks, have at it. It will take me a while to take this apart.
It's a start.
Enforcing this is another story.
Thanks, Brandynn. You set a record on this.
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It's a start.
Enforcing this is another story.
Thanks, Brandynn. You set a record on this.
Attachments:
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 04, 2014 04:08PM
I wanted to see what $8000 bought. I don't know who the clothing was for.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
they heard something!!!
()
Date: September 04, 2014 05:13PM
I'm impressed that they at least got the most obviously egregious stuff banned (the out of county meetings, flowers, sporting event tickets, spa services). Nice job "the facts"!
Some of my faith is restored. Transparency is a beautiful thing.
Some of my faith is restored. Transparency is a beautiful thing.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 04, 2014 08:11PM
I am bringing the travel and school activity fund regulations back into this area in case anybody wants to refer to them. The 5810 is in the process of being revised and I was told today that it was still under attorney-client privilege so was not available via FOIA.
I am seeing some grey areas and conflicts, but this is a big start. Enforcing this will be another issue. I have a few more records coming and I need to analyze this when I have more time.
Attachments:
![R5310[1].pdf](http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=155437,filename=R5310_1_.pdf "R5310[1].pdf")
![R5810[1].pdf](http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=155438,filename=R5810_1_.pdf "R5810[1].pdf")
I am seeing some grey areas and conflicts, but this is a big start. Enforcing this will be another issue. I have a few more records coming and I need to analyze this when I have more time.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
don't be fooled/the facts
()
Date: September 05, 2014 09:56AM
The new ECA guidelines have some shades of grey and some bright spots.
"These funds are not permitted to be used to benefit individual school employees." "...ensure funds are used reasonably and to benefit the school as a whole..." "...foster the success of all students..."
Monopole proceeds have been pulled off of the list. A painful situation for some. Lost textbook money goes to pay for lost books.
ECA funds can be used to pay extra staff to process student fees. It looks like this is the only staff that can be purchased using these funds. So much for the pianist for the choir.
"Light refreshments" is a major loophole. Every meeting doesn't have to be a party. You can be polite and sociable without putting out a spread. The focus is on WORK. Very subjective. There isn't any per diem for "light refreshments", so the "75% of per diem" is worthless here. You can't do "light refreshments" for 300 people without spending a fortune. This really isn't the school system's problem in the first place.
There are still references to "meals" for staff. According to the travel regulation, it doesn't look like meals for staff are part of their entitlements for local work/seminars/conferences, etc. unless the meal is a prerequisite for participating in the activity. Meals are capped at "75% of per diem". Back to School Night is not clarified. Is this part of the teacher contract and so considered normal working hours, so they are not entitled to a meal? If there is an offsite, and it is local, they don't look to be entitled to a meal. They ARE entitled to mileage. You break for lunch and people open their brown bag, go to the cafeteria, or go to a local restaurant and pay for their meal with their own money. Just because you have a meeting, etc. at Gatehouse or another school or a public or private building doesn't entitle you to put down the plastic at Four Sisters or Artie's for yourself and your co-workers. You get $11.50 or mileage if it is outside duty hours. PICK ONE. Just because it is a big football game doesn't necessarily entitle you to charge up $872.25 at Hard Times Café like somebody did on 11/8/2013. I still don't see why there should be any meals on county charge cards. It isn't supported in the travel regulation. Unless a meal is part of your contract, it is a gift. NO GIFTS. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line here. Each and every year.
I saw many schools with Fall welcome back parties, BTSN parties, Thanksgiving and holiday parties, January welcome back parties, Teacher/Admin Appreciation parties, EOY parties, AND graduation day parties. Yes, all at the same school. This is out of control.
Meals for students (saw a lot of those) are not a school problem. They are really a parental responsibility. We hit the snack bar/cafeteria or packed an extra sandwich back in my day.
The buying of shirts, mugs, pens. etc. for the staff in order "to promote team building or unity...". They have opened the door for thousands of dollars of clothing and things for staff. This also says gifts to employee groups are not allowed. This is all very debatable. There were many, many thousands of dollars spent on Teacher Appreciation gifts. We do so appreciate the teachers, but those are GIFTS. But if you can justify them by saying they are promoting unity...very subjective. How does spending $12,000 on clothing for staff "foster student success"? Think about it. I liked the part about clothing needed to identity staff supervising students. I can see the benefit of having some jackets, etc. that say "we are the staff" for certain things.
How about buying uniforms and clothing for students? Are the football players or other sports/club groups entitled to have their uniforms/attire subsidized by the ECA fund? It happens all the time.
Offsites have to be approved by an assistant Superintendent. Well, we already saw an example of that, which allowed a group to go to Harbourtowne on the Eastern Shore. The Super just told the School Board auditor that that was the way it was going to be. I can only imagine the power struggles on this. Staying in the County is a good idea. Keep it local. There is nothing to be gained by going 100 miles away. This "retreat" moniker is not an excuse to pack your suitcases and/or live it up.
It looks like the staff need to get to work on setting up Sunshine Funds. No more massages! No more baseball games, hopefully. No more $300 flower bills.
I am awaiting records on the School Principals Associations, where money from the ECA's is pooled at one school and used to do things for the principals. We pay finance techs and staff to manage it, the school is responsible for loss, etc. We pay additional for golf outings, luxury overnights, etc. I also noticed Rotary/community Clubs and professional memberships along with their associated additional costs, travel, etc. The institutional part could be a school expense, but are the optional activities entitled to be paid for out of school funds? This is sticky and there are references to this in the regulations. Being involved in the community is good to foster support. However, I was seeing hundreds of dollars going for $214 quarterly dues, etc.
I will pull them all again next year.
"These funds are not permitted to be used to benefit individual school employees." "...ensure funds are used reasonably and to benefit the school as a whole..." "...foster the success of all students..."
Monopole proceeds have been pulled off of the list. A painful situation for some. Lost textbook money goes to pay for lost books.
ECA funds can be used to pay extra staff to process student fees. It looks like this is the only staff that can be purchased using these funds. So much for the pianist for the choir.
"Light refreshments" is a major loophole. Every meeting doesn't have to be a party. You can be polite and sociable without putting out a spread. The focus is on WORK. Very subjective. There isn't any per diem for "light refreshments", so the "75% of per diem" is worthless here. You can't do "light refreshments" for 300 people without spending a fortune. This really isn't the school system's problem in the first place.
There are still references to "meals" for staff. According to the travel regulation, it doesn't look like meals for staff are part of their entitlements for local work/seminars/conferences, etc. unless the meal is a prerequisite for participating in the activity. Meals are capped at "75% of per diem". Back to School Night is not clarified. Is this part of the teacher contract and so considered normal working hours, so they are not entitled to a meal? If there is an offsite, and it is local, they don't look to be entitled to a meal. They ARE entitled to mileage. You break for lunch and people open their brown bag, go to the cafeteria, or go to a local restaurant and pay for their meal with their own money. Just because you have a meeting, etc. at Gatehouse or another school or a public or private building doesn't entitle you to put down the plastic at Four Sisters or Artie's for yourself and your co-workers. You get $11.50 or mileage if it is outside duty hours. PICK ONE. Just because it is a big football game doesn't necessarily entitle you to charge up $872.25 at Hard Times Café like somebody did on 11/8/2013. I still don't see why there should be any meals on county charge cards. It isn't supported in the travel regulation. Unless a meal is part of your contract, it is a gift. NO GIFTS. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line here. Each and every year.
I saw many schools with Fall welcome back parties, BTSN parties, Thanksgiving and holiday parties, January welcome back parties, Teacher/Admin Appreciation parties, EOY parties, AND graduation day parties. Yes, all at the same school. This is out of control.
Meals for students (saw a lot of those) are not a school problem. They are really a parental responsibility. We hit the snack bar/cafeteria or packed an extra sandwich back in my day.
The buying of shirts, mugs, pens. etc. for the staff in order "to promote team building or unity...". They have opened the door for thousands of dollars of clothing and things for staff. This also says gifts to employee groups are not allowed. This is all very debatable. There were many, many thousands of dollars spent on Teacher Appreciation gifts. We do so appreciate the teachers, but those are GIFTS. But if you can justify them by saying they are promoting unity...very subjective. How does spending $12,000 on clothing for staff "foster student success"? Think about it. I liked the part about clothing needed to identity staff supervising students. I can see the benefit of having some jackets, etc. that say "we are the staff" for certain things.
How about buying uniforms and clothing for students? Are the football players or other sports/club groups entitled to have their uniforms/attire subsidized by the ECA fund? It happens all the time.
Offsites have to be approved by an assistant Superintendent. Well, we already saw an example of that, which allowed a group to go to Harbourtowne on the Eastern Shore. The Super just told the School Board auditor that that was the way it was going to be. I can only imagine the power struggles on this. Staying in the County is a good idea. Keep it local. There is nothing to be gained by going 100 miles away. This "retreat" moniker is not an excuse to pack your suitcases and/or live it up.
It looks like the staff need to get to work on setting up Sunshine Funds. No more massages! No more baseball games, hopefully. No more $300 flower bills.
I am awaiting records on the School Principals Associations, where money from the ECA's is pooled at one school and used to do things for the principals. We pay finance techs and staff to manage it, the school is responsible for loss, etc. We pay additional for golf outings, luxury overnights, etc. I also noticed Rotary/community Clubs and professional memberships along with their associated additional costs, travel, etc. The institutional part could be a school expense, but are the optional activities entitled to be paid for out of school funds? This is sticky and there are references to this in the regulations. Being involved in the community is good to foster support. However, I was seeing hundreds of dollars going for $214 quarterly dues, etc.
I will pull them all again next year.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Styrofoamcup
()
Date: September 09, 2014 09:28PM
the facts Wrote:
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> ****************I have yet to hear from anybody
> explaining to me and everybody else on this thread
> what the problem is with FCPS real estate. Will
> somebody PLEASE speak up????????????????????
>
> Why can't these meetings be held in a county
> facility during regular business hours? How much
> work is done with your eyes closed sleeping in a
> $180 per night hotel room? Really??????????? How
> much actual work is being done at a $30 per person
> breakfast, a $50+ "working" steak dinner at the
> Hollywood Casino complex, gallivanting around
> Annapolis, etc.? The hours spent schlepping to and
> from the Eastern Shore and out into Maryland
> certainly eat at the productivity, also. Somebody
> has to plan and set all this up, also.
>
> You make some toast at home, show up at a school
> system-owned facility, have the meetings, either
> pack your lunch or go out on YOUR dollar NOT OURS,
> and go home and sleep in your own bed. And throw a
> steak on your grill for dinner. No $500 conference
> room fees for tables, chairs, and basic meeting
> equipment. No gas mileage to the Eastern Shore. No
> packing of suitcases. No $100 service fees for
> buffets just because YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE.
> That's right. You don't have enough people. This
> is how a lot of the rest of the world conducts
> their meetings. You put out-of-office on your
> e-mails, don't answer your phones, tell your staff
> you are not available unless the schools catch on
> fire, and do your work.
>
> If people need time to relax that is called
> VACATION. We pay staff salary to take vacations.
> The rest is a personal responsibility.
>
> Destination meetings my eye.
Perhaps you should run for school board. Or even better, become a school principal or event planner. The whole notion that this is on the FU speaks volumes.
-------------------------------------------------------
> ****************I have yet to hear from anybody
> explaining to me and everybody else on this thread
> what the problem is with FCPS real estate. Will
> somebody PLEASE speak up????????????????????
>
> Why can't these meetings be held in a county
> facility during regular business hours? How much
> work is done with your eyes closed sleeping in a
> $180 per night hotel room? Really??????????? How
> much actual work is being done at a $30 per person
> breakfast, a $50+ "working" steak dinner at the
> Hollywood Casino complex, gallivanting around
> Annapolis, etc.? The hours spent schlepping to and
> from the Eastern Shore and out into Maryland
> certainly eat at the productivity, also. Somebody
> has to plan and set all this up, also.
>
> You make some toast at home, show up at a school
> system-owned facility, have the meetings, either
> pack your lunch or go out on YOUR dollar NOT OURS,
> and go home and sleep in your own bed. And throw a
> steak on your grill for dinner. No $500 conference
> room fees for tables, chairs, and basic meeting
> equipment. No gas mileage to the Eastern Shore. No
> packing of suitcases. No $100 service fees for
> buffets just because YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE.
> That's right. You don't have enough people. This
> is how a lot of the rest of the world conducts
> their meetings. You put out-of-office on your
> e-mails, don't answer your phones, tell your staff
> you are not available unless the schools catch on
> fire, and do your work.
>
> If people need time to relax that is called
> VACATION. We pay staff salary to take vacations.
> The rest is a personal responsibility.
>
> Destination meetings my eye.
Perhaps you should run for school board. Or even better, become a school principal or event planner. The whole notion that this is on the FU speaks volumes.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 10, 2014 06:52AM
^^^I don't mean to be a back seat driver. I am just pointing out what I think is basic stuff with managing money that other people have given you and supposedly is protected by laws and ethics. I still say the FU is fine for this. It gets the word out on a very busy general website and people can do whatever they want with the reports.
If you expect nothing that is exactly what you get. I think some people have gotten very confused over the years. They have gotten the ideas that these funds are their personal bank accounts or that this is a private corporation.
I actually got some write-in votes for School Board last election. If elected, I probably wouldn't last because I am too vocal and don't give a darn about politics.
We are also starting on a restaurant tour soon....I have Morton's, Bazin's, Capital Grille, Artie's, Pulcinella, Listranis, Maggiano's, and a few others on order. Lots more to choose from, that's for sure.
If you expect nothing that is exactly what you get. I think some people have gotten very confused over the years. They have gotten the ideas that these funds are their personal bank accounts or that this is a private corporation.
I actually got some write-in votes for School Board last election. If elected, I probably wouldn't last because I am too vocal and don't give a darn about politics.
We are also starting on a restaurant tour soon....I have Morton's, Bazin's, Capital Grille, Artie's, Pulcinella, Listranis, Maggiano's, and a few others on order. Lots more to choose from, that's for sure.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
skeptical
()
Date: September 10, 2014 10:41AM
Barabara Brown---- should we vote for you. I will if you can answer these questions:
How much money have the schools spent man/hours in your FOIA requests- what a waste of human resources for crusade
Have you ever FOIA your bosses at Reston Hospital? Have you ever been given a t-shirt or free meal? You claim to be a public employee! Do you bosses know about your sick crusade and wasting the taxpayers money answering your ridiculous FOIA requests?
Is your life that empty that you spend time harrassing civil servants? Not enough attention from your kids or husband?
How much money have the schools spent man/hours in your FOIA requests- what a waste of human resources for crusade
Have you ever FOIA your bosses at Reston Hospital? Have you ever been given a t-shirt or free meal? You claim to be a public employee! Do you bosses know about your sick crusade and wasting the taxpayers money answering your ridiculous FOIA requests?
Is your life that empty that you spend time harrassing civil servants? Not enough attention from your kids or husband?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
%
()
Date: September 10, 2014 10:47AM
It sounds like some public employees aren't too happy about some of this information being made public.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
itso
()
Date: September 10, 2014 10:49AM
skeptical Wrote:
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> Barabara Brown---- should we vote for you. I will
> if you can answer these questions:
>
> How much money have the schools spent man/hours in
> your FOIA requests- what a waste of human
> resources for crusade
>
> Have you ever FOIA your bosses at Reston Hospital?
> Have you ever been given a t-shirt or free meal?
> You claim to be a public employee! Do you bosses
> know about your sick crusade and wasting the
> taxpayers money answering your ridiculous FOIA
> requests?
>
> Is your life that empty that you spend time
> harrassing civil servants? Not enough attention
> from your kids or husband?
I would also like these questions answered-seems like a complete waste of time on Ms. Browns part, settling a vendetta I would asssume
-------------------------------------------------------
> Barabara Brown---- should we vote for you. I will
> if you can answer these questions:
>
> How much money have the schools spent man/hours in
> your FOIA requests- what a waste of human
> resources for crusade
>
> Have you ever FOIA your bosses at Reston Hospital?
> Have you ever been given a t-shirt or free meal?
> You claim to be a public employee! Do you bosses
> know about your sick crusade and wasting the
> taxpayers money answering your ridiculous FOIA
> requests?
>
> Is your life that empty that you spend time
> harrassing civil servants? Not enough attention
> from your kids or husband?
I would also like these questions answered-seems like a complete waste of time on Ms. Browns part, settling a vendetta I would asssume
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Former teacher
()
Date: September 10, 2014 11:05AM
I am a former FCPS elementary school teacher who left, in part, because of these types of misplaced spending priorities. New teachers often have to buy books themselves for their classrooms. I spent a few thousand dollars over the years of my own money on books and supplies. We were also running out of copy paper frequently after FCPS switched to the online math book, requiring teachers to make more copies of pages or practice sheets. I saw plenty of waste with principals attending out of town meetings. Priorities are messed up at FCPS.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
------
()
Date: September 10, 2014 11:36AM
how come they can't afford copy paper if they can do some of the things that have been posted here?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Fan of Barbara
()
Date: September 10, 2014 01:39PM
As a taxpayer, I'll take the hit for the cost of the FOIA requests when they expose fraud, waste and abuse such as the out of control spending with this slush fund for FCPS principals (and select admin). I don't care what the motives are behind exposing this and frankly, I don't care. Not enough people speak up and do the right thing. Barbara (if that is your real name), thank you for being persistent and getting to the bottom of this spending. And while some people say this isn't a good forum to use, I think at this point, send this info to whoever you think might listen and respond. If nothing else, FFU has gotten people talking about this issue. Sometimes, you have to use non-traditional means to get the word out…this is one of those situations, as you can bet no one at Gatehouse would ever talk about any of this frivolous spending.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 10, 2014 02:28PM
We have been paying the finance techs about $32 an hour for years to process millions of dollars of what many people consider abusive spending.
I am willing to pay them $32 an hour to show what has been going on and get some control over this. I have also paid principals and Gatehouse staff. Like it or not, FOIA is part of their jobs. I'm not doing this to torment people.
It will take a huge load off of everybody to not process and keep track of some of this spending. The required records and transactions take up a lot of time. You try keeping track of $25,000 of restaurant receipts, who was at the meal, and why. Those Admins are a lot of work to research, plan, etc. Ordering and distributing $15,000 of clothing, $10,000 of gifts...those are major man-hours.
Somebody had to point out how ridiculous a lot of this stuff was.
I am willing to pay them $32 an hour to show what has been going on and get some control over this. I have also paid principals and Gatehouse staff. Like it or not, FOIA is part of their jobs. I'm not doing this to torment people.
It will take a huge load off of everybody to not process and keep track of some of this spending. The required records and transactions take up a lot of time. You try keeping track of $25,000 of restaurant receipts, who was at the meal, and why. Those Admins are a lot of work to research, plan, etc. Ordering and distributing $15,000 of clothing, $10,000 of gifts...those are major man-hours.
Somebody had to point out how ridiculous a lot of this stuff was.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 10, 2014 07:11PM
You could look at it from the angle that this has been a lot cheaper than calling in some fancy consultants in fancy suits and paying them $100,000+ to come up with some fancy report that would probably gloss over a lot of this.
Just putting it out there for the public made things very clear.
This is nothing more than common sense. A very rare commodity sometimes.
I brought this up a year and a half ago. They don't have five years to clamp down on this. They are hemorrhaging cash that could be used for support for the students and classroom teachers.
Just putting it out there for the public made things very clear.
This is nothing more than common sense. A very rare commodity sometimes.
I brought this up a year and a half ago. They don't have five years to clamp down on this. They are hemorrhaging cash that could be used for support for the students and classroom teachers.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
fact this
()
Date: September 11, 2014 09:20AM
the facts Wrote:
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> You could look at it from the angle that this has
> been a lot cheaper than calling in some fancy
> consultants in fancy suits and paying them
> $100,000+ to come up with some fancy report that
> would probably gloss over a lot of this.
FCPS had a consultant come in (think it was last year) to review their spending practices to report that it was bascially perfect and they could only save about 500K a year. That was an absolute joke - $2.5B budget and the only savings possible was 500K? Doesn't pass the giggle test.
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> You could look at it from the angle that this has
> been a lot cheaper than calling in some fancy
> consultants in fancy suits and paying them
> $100,000+ to come up with some fancy report that
> would probably gloss over a lot of this.
FCPS had a consultant come in (think it was last year) to review their spending practices to report that it was bascially perfect and they could only save about 500K a year. That was an absolute joke - $2.5B budget and the only savings possible was 500K? Doesn't pass the giggle test.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
FCPS Perfect? HaHaHaHaHaHa
()
Date: September 11, 2014 09:30AM
fact this Wrote:
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> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You could look at it from the angle that this
> has
> > been a lot cheaper than calling in some fancy
> > consultants in fancy suits and paying them
> > $100,000+ to come up with some fancy report
> that
> > would probably gloss over a lot of this.
>
> FCPS had a consultant come in (think it was last
> year) to review their spending practices to report
> that it was bascially perfect and they could only
> save about 500K a year. That was an absolute joke
> - $2.5B budget and the only savings possible was
> 500K? Doesn't pass the giggle test.
Did anyone actually see this consultant?. FCPS.... the Sultans of SPIN
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> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You could look at it from the angle that this
> has
> > been a lot cheaper than calling in some fancy
> > consultants in fancy suits and paying them
> > $100,000+ to come up with some fancy report
> that
> > would probably gloss over a lot of this.
>
> FCPS had a consultant come in (think it was last
> year) to review their spending practices to report
> that it was bascially perfect and they could only
> save about 500K a year. That was an absolute joke
> - $2.5B budget and the only savings possible was
> 500K? Doesn't pass the giggle test.
Did anyone actually see this consultant?. FCPS.... the Sultans of SPIN
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 11, 2014 09:38AM
Told ya. Total waste of time and money probably.
I can find 500k in just these accounts over the last year or two. At least.
And I worked in a t-shirt, shorts, flip flops, and nursed a glass of perfectly fine cheap wine while doing it on more than one occasion. On a volunteer basis. Lots more interesting and productive than trashy novels and reality TV. Got anything else you want me to a look at?
COMMON SENSE. Sometimes that is all it takes.
I think there was a suggestion about a cost-savings competition further back...
I can find 500k in just these accounts over the last year or two. At least.
And I worked in a t-shirt, shorts, flip flops, and nursed a glass of perfectly fine cheap wine while doing it on more than one occasion. On a volunteer basis. Lots more interesting and productive than trashy novels and reality TV. Got anything else you want me to a look at?
COMMON SENSE. Sometimes that is all it takes.
I think there was a suggestion about a cost-savings competition further back...
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
fact this
()
Date: September 11, 2014 09:39AM
FCPS Perfect? HaHaHaHaHaHa Wrote:
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> fact this Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the facts Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You could look at it from the angle that this
> > has
> > > been a lot cheaper than calling in some fancy
> > > consultants in fancy suits and paying them
> > > $100,000+ to come up with some fancy report
> > that
> > > would probably gloss over a lot of this.
> >
> > FCPS had a consultant come in (think it was
> last
> > year) to review their spending practices to
> report
> > that it was bascially perfect and they could
> only
> > save about 500K a year. That was an absolute
> joke
> > - $2.5B budget and the only savings possible
> was
> > 500K? Doesn't pass the giggle test.
>
>
> Did anyone actually see this consultant?. FCPS....
> the Sultans of SPIN
My numbers were off. It was a state efficiency review conducted by Gibson Consulting Group.
http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2361
The report found a possible $10.8M in savings over 5 years, requiring an investment of $2.3M, so it was $1.7M per year, or savings of 0.07%, meaning they found FCPS to 99.93% efficient. Boy they are good!
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> fact this Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the facts Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You could look at it from the angle that this
> > has
> > > been a lot cheaper than calling in some fancy
> > > consultants in fancy suits and paying them
> > > $100,000+ to come up with some fancy report
> > that
> > > would probably gloss over a lot of this.
> >
> > FCPS had a consultant come in (think it was
> last
> > year) to review their spending practices to
> report
> > that it was bascially perfect and they could
> only
> > save about 500K a year. That was an absolute
> joke
> > - $2.5B budget and the only savings possible
> was
> > 500K? Doesn't pass the giggle test.
>
>
> Did anyone actually see this consultant?. FCPS....
> the Sultans of SPIN
My numbers were off. It was a state efficiency review conducted by Gibson Consulting Group.
http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2361
The report found a possible $10.8M in savings over 5 years, requiring an investment of $2.3M, so it was $1.7M per year, or savings of 0.07%, meaning they found FCPS to 99.93% efficient. Boy they are good!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 11, 2014 11:13AM
I can see some good things here but I would have to analyze this further.
When you are trying to watch your dollars, you have to micromanage the processes. You have to look at everything you do and THINK. I know this is a huge production.
I have found at least $200-300k, probably more, and you don't have to spend anything to do it. You just QUIT SPENDING. And this is already supported by existing regulations and state laws. It just involves a major change in attitude, sense of entitlement, and saying NO. Simplify. There would be more money to help classroom teachers with things and buy the copy paper somebody brought up, etc.
Yeh, it's lots of fun going to a nice hotel, a nice restaurant, getting presents, golfing, etc., but the kids come first. Nobody ever said working for the government was going to be fun.
When you are trying to watch your dollars, you have to micromanage the processes. You have to look at everything you do and THINK. I know this is a huge production.
I have found at least $200-300k, probably more, and you don't have to spend anything to do it. You just QUIT SPENDING. And this is already supported by existing regulations and state laws. It just involves a major change in attitude, sense of entitlement, and saying NO. Simplify. There would be more money to help classroom teachers with things and buy the copy paper somebody brought up, etc.
Yeh, it's lots of fun going to a nice hotel, a nice restaurant, getting presents, golfing, etc., but the kids come first. Nobody ever said working for the government was going to be fun.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
foustian bargain
()
Date: September 11, 2014 06:28PM
I see from the commercials the John Foust in crowing about his cost cutting penny pinching ways--but this all happened on his watch--who cares if he keeps the monitor if people are living large on public funds in resorts?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 11, 2014 07:49PM
Just in case anybody looking at the reports on the New Orleans trip is wondering about the room service at the Wyndham, I asked to see proof that the room service was paid by the staff member using it. The hotel receipt with the room service on it matched the county charge card receipt. I thought the receipt I received looked strange (it was sent later on after I asked-it wasn't with the original packet), insisted on more proof, since I couldn't find any corresponding credits on the credit card statements I had. The hotel should have adjusted the final bill and credit card payment after the payment for room service as the payment was made the day of checkout. Attached is a receipt dated last week for a refund to the county credit card. I still think the receipt looks strange, but the school system has a credit on the card.
So, if you ever think I am picking on you, look at this and see who I was picking on. No whining.
I can't fix the "flaming bananas" situation on this trip that somebody mentioned but while straightening this out I did turn in a frosty comment about why the School Board wasn't on per diem for that huge dinner.
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So, if you ever think I am picking on you, look at this and see who I was picking on. No whining.
I can't fix the "flaming bananas" situation on this trip that somebody mentioned but while straightening this out I did turn in a frosty comment about why the School Board wasn't on per diem for that huge dinner.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 12, 2014 06:35AM
OK, since I did indeed have the nerve to FOIA the Superintendent and insist her account get straightened out (why SHOULD the Wyndham have been paid twice for a big room service bill and been able to keep public money?), I am issuing a Checkbook Challenge.
Anybody who ate dinner at Two Sisters on that trip, I challenge you to write a $25 check to the school system to pay the taxpayers back for that ridiculous dinner for 12 that was paid for out of our tax dollars. You were $25 over per diem and stuck it to us. You post a copy of your check here (cover up the address and account number), and I will vote for you or tell others to vote for you. Shrimp brochettes, my eye. You also owe us an explanation.
Have a nice weekend.
Anybody who ate dinner at Two Sisters on that trip, I challenge you to write a $25 check to the school system to pay the taxpayers back for that ridiculous dinner for 12 that was paid for out of our tax dollars. You were $25 over per diem and stuck it to us. You post a copy of your check here (cover up the address and account number), and I will vote for you or tell others to vote for you. Shrimp brochettes, my eye. You also owe us an explanation.
Have a nice weekend.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Not all the facts
()
Date: September 14, 2014 09:00AM
$32 per hour? You clearly don't have all the facts. A finance tech would need to be in the position for 15 years before obtaining that salary.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 14, 2014 09:39AM
I have been paying "$31.75 an hour for a Finance Technician II/III/IV" for FOIA fees, when required. They probably use an average.
You can always contact DCCO and get the rates from them.
You can always contact DCCO and get the rates from them.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 14, 2014 10:17AM
And lest anybody complain about their salary, according to one of the audits posted here the average receipts for a high school in this county is about $2.7 million a year. Several techs are keeping track of almost $4 million a year in receipts. And then there are the disbursements to keep track of, also.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Not all the facts
()
Date: September 14, 2014 10:29AM
No need to contact DCCO, the information is on the FCPS website. The starting salary for a Finance Tech II is $19.00 per hour. An employee is eligible to move to a Finance Tech III/IV after one year at each level. The pay you quote for all to read can only be obtained after working for 15 years and not necessarily reflective of the salary of most finance techs.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 14, 2014 10:41AM
Then contact the DCCO and ask them how it is calculated. I don't have any control over what they charge for FOIA fees. I just send them a check. I think the fees are a bargain for what I get and what is accomplished by posting them. Have a nice weekend.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 14, 2014 10:48AM
Take it up with Brandynn.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
stingy taxpayer
()
Date: September 14, 2014 11:09AM
Im interested to see how those Association receipts come out--I think that would go far to prove collusion as opposed to mere oversights
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Not all the facts
()
Date: September 14, 2014 03:02PM
There is no reason "to take it up with Brandynn", just pointing out that the "facts" that you report do not always tell the correct story. Once again, distorting the information to fit your agenda.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 14, 2014 06:39PM
^^^^^ You are obviously so naïve that you don't realize there is a big spread on what people are paid, everybody knows that, the school system is required to offer the information at reasonable cost to the citizens, they know that, and I think they have done this. I seriously doubt they would go through this much work for bottom dollar.
FYI, they probably have a list of standard hourly fees depending on who retrieves the information. I have paid principals, Gatehouse people, finance techs, and the numbers have been the same for each classification. I have also gotten a lot of stuff for free. I have also FOIA'd three other agencies and wasn't charged.
Dear Stingy-The Association numbers should be out this week. I pulled high school and middle school. I would bet there will be golfing, presents, and restaurants on there. We shall see.
FYI, they probably have a list of standard hourly fees depending on who retrieves the information. I have paid principals, Gatehouse people, finance techs, and the numbers have been the same for each classification. I have also gotten a lot of stuff for free. I have also FOIA'd three other agencies and wasn't charged.
Dear Stingy-The Association numbers should be out this week. I pulled high school and middle school. I would bet there will be golfing, presents, and restaurants on there. We shall see.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 14, 2014 06:56PM
What it all boils down to is if we are paying people to process $180 local hotel rooms, dinners at Capital Grille, Sunset Cruise Admins, massages, and $1800 ice cream bills, it doesn't matter if we are paying somebody $20 an hour or $40 an hour to do it. It is just a huge drain on resources from many angles and seriously questionable, to put it mildly.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
stingy taxpayer
()
Date: September 14, 2014 07:32PM
On the Association receipts--its important to see if there's overlap between the resort partyiers and these events--that's malice aforethought.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
William Weir
()
Date: September 14, 2014 07:41PM
lets bring in the media Wrote:
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> I just wish the Washington Post would get a hold
> of this and run with it, name names, highlight
> specific illegal spending and interview some
> boards members why they rubber stamp huge
> increases in the school budget when this non sense
> is going on. The Post seems to be interested in
> much more frivolous government in appropriate
> behavior
TOM JACKMAN WHERE ARE YOU?????
ISN'T THIS MORE NEWSWORTHY THAN CARY'S CHIN WHISKERS?
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> I just wish the Washington Post would get a hold
> of this and run with it, name names, highlight
> specific illegal spending and interview some
> boards members why they rubber stamp huge
> increases in the school budget when this non sense
> is going on. The Post seems to be interested in
> much more frivolous government in appropriate
> behavior
TOM JACKMAN WHERE ARE YOU?????
ISN'T THIS MORE NEWSWORTHY THAN CARY'S CHIN WHISKERS?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 18, 2014 04:48PM
Ok this is enormous. Just came out in September. Some things really are not any different than in the current regulations, as in $11.50/mileage if not receiving supplemental pay, no use of p-cards for non-local travel meals, use of p-cards for hotels and plane tickets, etc. etc. This publication summarizes and brings together several of the regulations I posted here. Although some of them are very old, the theories are essentially unchanged.
*********If anybody is interested, primarily focus on the sections on incidentals page 70, ECA usage page 138 (this was already presented), and use of p-cards page 180.****************
It is very clear that feeding all the troops during normal working hours is supposed to be the rare exception. Unless meetings are lasting several hours, or crossing over a meal time, there isn't supposed to be an automatic indication for treats. We'll see about that.
It is a little confusing as some of the information under usage of appropriated funds also applies to issues involving usage of ECA funds (non-appropriated funds). I will have to take a look at this more closely. It appears there are some limits on big staff functions. I would hope so. Come on.
The retreat situation still needs to be watched as all it takes is an approval from an Assistant Super. I just found another one from last year. They LOVE these things and I think they are very deeply ingrained into their culture. They probably think these are their right. And they like to go first-class, that's for sure. I would, too, if somebody else was footing the bill and wasn't given a choice about it. I still say there is plenty of county-owned real estate to use if you just look and adjust your expectations. If parents have to watch services for their children being cut, if teachers have to endure being told they can't have the supplies they need, the frills for the "chosen staff" can also be trimmed to a realistic level.
This will be a lot of work to implement and monitor.
I am still working on the restaurant tour. $4200 at Famous Dave's, Sakura, Indigo Landing....
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*********If anybody is interested, primarily focus on the sections on incidentals page 70, ECA usage page 138 (this was already presented), and use of p-cards page 180.****************
It is very clear that feeding all the troops during normal working hours is supposed to be the rare exception. Unless meetings are lasting several hours, or crossing over a meal time, there isn't supposed to be an automatic indication for treats. We'll see about that.
It is a little confusing as some of the information under usage of appropriated funds also applies to issues involving usage of ECA funds (non-appropriated funds). I will have to take a look at this more closely. It appears there are some limits on big staff functions. I would hope so. Come on.
The retreat situation still needs to be watched as all it takes is an approval from an Assistant Super. I just found another one from last year. They LOVE these things and I think they are very deeply ingrained into their culture. They probably think these are their right. And they like to go first-class, that's for sure. I would, too, if somebody else was footing the bill and wasn't given a choice about it. I still say there is plenty of county-owned real estate to use if you just look and adjust your expectations. If parents have to watch services for their children being cut, if teachers have to endure being told they can't have the supplies they need, the frills for the "chosen staff" can also be trimmed to a realistic level.
This will be a lot of work to implement and monitor.
I am still working on the restaurant tour. $4200 at Famous Dave's, Sakura, Indigo Landing....
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 18, 2014 05:29PM
Ok here are the partial records (just expenditures) on the High School and Middle School Principals' "Associations". To review, these are not independent associations with a unique Tax ID number. The principals take money from the ECA account (the high school dues are $200), send it to one school, and the school finance staff watch over the account, there is a person designated as a fund manager (the principal) who writes the checks. There is also additional money spent on their big spring gathering (the high schools' was at Arundel Preserve, already presented here). That was almost $300 additional a person. Don't know if they got mileage or not. I also saw additional ECA/public money sent to the account for the golf outings. Probably at least $15,000 is pulled out of ECA accounts for all of this a year. The accounts are also covered under the school liability.
As I thought, the money is spent on golf and restaurant gatherings, plus the fancy retreat that wasn't on here.
The big question here is, is this an appropriate use of ECA/public money? They are clearly spending it on themselves. If they have an evening meeting, it would seem that the $11.50 applies, or mileage. Is this considered part of their work or is it an semi-optional social type club where they can talk about issues and things? Then they are not entitled to a meal. They have to pay for it themselves (horrors).
If the principals decide to open a private bank account to handle this "association", is it appropriate to pull money out of the ECA and put it into this account, or should it be funded with personal funds (gasp)? Remember, we also pay for dues to the Virginia Association of Secondary School Principals out of ECA money. $536 a year per member, plus conference expenses. This probably runs close to $1000 per school if they do the conference. There are 25+ high schools. There is a regulation regarding using public funds to pay these types of membership dues. I will post it later on. It can be done, with some restrictions. We are technically sending public funds to a non-profit, supporting whatever they think is interesting to them. We can't access their records to see what is being done with the public money, other than to look at their tax return and hope for the best. This would also be the case if the principals obtained a separate Tax ID number. They could just up the dues and take a cruise, paid for by us.
We (the public) are basically shelling out about $1500 per high school principal for associations. Is it an appropriate use of public funds? Comments?
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As I thought, the money is spent on golf and restaurant gatherings, plus the fancy retreat that wasn't on here.
The big question here is, is this an appropriate use of ECA/public money? They are clearly spending it on themselves. If they have an evening meeting, it would seem that the $11.50 applies, or mileage. Is this considered part of their work or is it an semi-optional social type club where they can talk about issues and things? Then they are not entitled to a meal. They have to pay for it themselves (horrors).
If the principals decide to open a private bank account to handle this "association", is it appropriate to pull money out of the ECA and put it into this account, or should it be funded with personal funds (gasp)? Remember, we also pay for dues to the Virginia Association of Secondary School Principals out of ECA money. $536 a year per member, plus conference expenses. This probably runs close to $1000 per school if they do the conference. There are 25+ high schools. There is a regulation regarding using public funds to pay these types of membership dues. I will post it later on. It can be done, with some restrictions. We are technically sending public funds to a non-profit, supporting whatever they think is interesting to them. We can't access their records to see what is being done with the public money, other than to look at their tax return and hope for the best. This would also be the case if the principals obtained a separate Tax ID number. They could just up the dues and take a cruise, paid for by us.
We (the public) are basically shelling out about $1500 per high school principal for associations. Is it an appropriate use of public funds? Comments?
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
not for teacher
()
Date: September 19, 2014 06:35AM
I can tell you no how no way they would spend this money on teachers professional memberships or conferences
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts/Westfield-HSPA
()
Date: September 19, 2014 08:44AM
More HSPA expenses I found on my restaurant tour.
1)Two dinners. One, at Grillfire, looks like it was associated with the retreat (boondoggle) at Arundel Preserve up in Maryland. The receipt says 12 people, I counted up about 14 entrees. Total bill was initially estimated to be $550, tallied up at $483. This was for "HSPA retreat and team building". I specified I wanted names on this, and the school "didn't have them". We paid for hotel rooms for about 24 people at this, if I remember correctly. Each school paid in for those.
2)A lovely evening at Morton's, for "HSPA meeting and team building". We all know just a piece of meat and a glass of water at Morton's will run you at least $50. The original estimate was for $180. It ended up costing $156. The gratuity was added in by the restaurant, which makes me think that this might have been a separate check at a large table. Oh, joy. Again. NO NAMES. The school didn't have them. Probably for two people, I am guessing. The receipt is illegible but probably not worth pursuing. It looks like they might have been drawing up plans for a planned meal at $84 a person. Good Heavens.
If public funds were used to purchase goods and services for individuals we have a right to know who they were. And they have a responsibility to keep those records. If they don't like keeping those kinds of records (and producing for FOIA requests) then I suggest quitting going out to dinners paid for by us.
I would bet I could find a mountain of these, adding to the REAL cost of the HSPA.
Our public dollars at work.
WE ARE BROKE!!!
Wendy's, anyone?
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1)Two dinners. One, at Grillfire, looks like it was associated with the retreat (boondoggle) at Arundel Preserve up in Maryland. The receipt says 12 people, I counted up about 14 entrees. Total bill was initially estimated to be $550, tallied up at $483. This was for "HSPA retreat and team building". I specified I wanted names on this, and the school "didn't have them". We paid for hotel rooms for about 24 people at this, if I remember correctly. Each school paid in for those.
2)A lovely evening at Morton's, for "HSPA meeting and team building". We all know just a piece of meat and a glass of water at Morton's will run you at least $50. The original estimate was for $180. It ended up costing $156. The gratuity was added in by the restaurant, which makes me think that this might have been a separate check at a large table. Oh, joy. Again. NO NAMES. The school didn't have them. Probably for two people, I am guessing. The receipt is illegible but probably not worth pursuing. It looks like they might have been drawing up plans for a planned meal at $84 a person. Good Heavens.
If public funds were used to purchase goods and services for individuals we have a right to know who they were. And they have a responsibility to keep those records. If they don't like keeping those kinds of records (and producing for FOIA requests) then I suggest quitting going out to dinners paid for by us.
I would bet I could find a mountain of these, adding to the REAL cost of the HSPA.
Our public dollars at work.
WE ARE BROKE!!!
Wendy's, anyone?
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-McLeanHS
()
Date: September 19, 2014 11:13AM
The restaurant tour continues.
Again. no names. Some groups were too large (police, community members, students, etc. at Hard Times). The Holiday parties are for large groups. Cheesecake Factory was for 12 "support staff during staff development". That should have had names.
Notes-
Maggiano's 12/12-pasta and salad for about 180. Holiday lunch. The delivery fee alone was $256.52 and there was a $235 tip. Total of $2300. $13 per person.
Hard Times Café- Chili and hot dogs for 65. $872. $13.41 per person. Because it was a football game. There are LOTS of those.
Maggiano's 12/13- pasta and salad for ?143. $2300. Holiday lunch. $273 delivery fee and $100 tip this time. $16 per person.
Cheesecake Factory- $308.56 for 12 people (no names). $26 per person. 75% of GSA is $13.50 per person. This was during the work day, which probably also meant at least two hours to drive over, park, gather, order, drive back. To work. Note-this is not to be taken as a recommendation to have everything delivered. This is a good looking lunch, including eight desserts each of which cost more than I spent cooking dinner last night.
Good times don't come cheap.
Again. no names. Some groups were too large (police, community members, students, etc. at Hard Times). The Holiday parties are for large groups. Cheesecake Factory was for 12 "support staff during staff development". That should have had names.
Notes-
Maggiano's 12/12-pasta and salad for about 180. Holiday lunch. The delivery fee alone was $256.52 and there was a $235 tip. Total of $2300. $13 per person.
Hard Times Café- Chili and hot dogs for 65. $872. $13.41 per person. Because it was a football game. There are LOTS of those.
Maggiano's 12/13- pasta and salad for ?143. $2300. Holiday lunch. $273 delivery fee and $100 tip this time. $16 per person.
Cheesecake Factory- $308.56 for 12 people (no names). $26 per person. 75% of GSA is $13.50 per person. This was during the work day, which probably also meant at least two hours to drive over, park, gather, order, drive back. To work. Note-this is not to be taken as a recommendation to have everything delivered. This is a good looking lunch, including eight desserts each of which cost more than I spent cooking dinner last night.
Good times don't come cheap.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-MVHS
()
Date: September 19, 2014 11:33AM
Another Admin. This was at Mt. Vernon. There were some jokes about using Homewood Suites. This still ran about $170 per night per person, just for the hotel. Ten rooms. The names are on the hotel receipt. Times TWO nights. Plus food, projector, WiFi, screen, etc. About $4200. Somewhere in the midst of all this the school credit card was rejected (I can only imagine) and the principal put over $1000 on her personal credit card to close the deal. I noticed the large reimbursement to the principal and this came up.
This school is almost 60% FRM.
This school used a novel idea of using the Career and Technical Education Services to cater their special large meals. $7 a person. I noticed several "transfer to Culinary" entries. If you are going to allow them to do this, a win-win situation in my book. Do they deliver?????
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This school is almost 60% FRM.
This school used a novel idea of using the Career and Technical Education Services to cater their special large meals. $7 a person. I noticed several "transfer to Culinary" entries. If you are going to allow them to do this, a win-win situation in my book. Do they deliver?????
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-Langley
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Date: September 19, 2014 11:52AM
A mere sampling at Langley.
These are fairly well labeled.
Pulcinella for Curriculum night. I think this might fall under the $11.50 classification?
Listranis for the Admin team. $14.40 a person. Ragone, Amico, Bowerman, Meier, Noto, Rogers, Statz, Williams.
Cheescake Factory for the counselors. $15.38 a person. (The names are listed but my fingers are tired. It's probably 13 counselors.)
Pulcinella- Lunch for new teachers, with the rest of the faculty who were in the building invited.
Westwood Country Club-Prom Night! Dinner at the Country Club! The aforementioned Admin team plus the class sponsor, Gilman. I know they had their work cut out for them. The Rotunda was saved for them! $32 a person. I am sure the hearing exams they needed after that night fall under the health plan.
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These are fairly well labeled.
Pulcinella for Curriculum night. I think this might fall under the $11.50 classification?
Listranis for the Admin team. $14.40 a person. Ragone, Amico, Bowerman, Meier, Noto, Rogers, Statz, Williams.
Cheescake Factory for the counselors. $15.38 a person. (The names are listed but my fingers are tired. It's probably 13 counselors.)
Pulcinella- Lunch for new teachers, with the rest of the faculty who were in the building invited.
Westwood Country Club-Prom Night! Dinner at the Country Club! The aforementioned Admin team plus the class sponsor, Gilman. I know they had their work cut out for them. The Rotunda was saved for them! $32 a person. I am sure the hearing exams they needed after that night fall under the health plan.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-WSHS
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Date: September 19, 2014 12:03PM
I pulled several generic charges on several thousands dollars. I saw lots and lots of generic charges on multiple schools. This means that the individual records have to be pulled on each entry. Lots of work. This isn't free for me.
Mostly restaurants, including $3500 at Red, Hot, and Blue that is probably a big lunch for the staff. Pretty typical stuff.
Multiply this times 6 or more for some schools. Per year. I can't pull everything.
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Mostly restaurants, including $3500 at Red, Hot, and Blue that is probably a big lunch for the staff. Pretty typical stuff.
Multiply this times 6 or more for some schools. Per year. I can't pull everything.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-McLean
()
Date: September 19, 2014 12:04PM
the facts-McLeanHS Wrote:
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> The restaurant tour continues.
>
> Again. no names. Some groups were too large
> (police, community members, students, etc. at Hard
> Times). The Holiday parties are for large groups.
> Cheesecake Factory was for 12 "support staff
> during staff development". That should have had
> names.
>
> Notes-
> Maggiano's 12/12-pasta and salad for about 180.
> Holiday lunch. The delivery fee alone was $256.52
> and there was a $235 tip. Total of $2300. $13 per
> person.
>
> Hard Times Café- Chili and hot dogs for 65.
> $872. $13.41 per person. Because it was a football
> game. There are LOTS of those.
>
> Maggiano's 12/13- pasta and salad for ?143. $2300.
> Holiday lunch. $273 delivery fee and $100 tip this
> time. $16 per person.
>
> Cheesecake Factory- $308.56 for 12 people (no
> names). $26 per person. 75% of GSA is $13.50 per
> person. This was during the work day, which
> probably also meant at least two hours to drive
> over, park, gather, order, drive back. To work.
> Note-this is not to be taken as a recommendation
> to have everything delivered. This is a good
> looking lunch, including eight desserts each of
> which cost more than I spent cooking dinner last
> night.
>
> Good times don't come cheap.
The attachment. Sorry.
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> The restaurant tour continues.
>
> Again. no names. Some groups were too large
> (police, community members, students, etc. at Hard
> Times). The Holiday parties are for large groups.
> Cheesecake Factory was for 12 "support staff
> during staff development". That should have had
> names.
>
> Notes-
> Maggiano's 12/12-pasta and salad for about 180.
> Holiday lunch. The delivery fee alone was $256.52
> and there was a $235 tip. Total of $2300. $13 per
> person.
>
> Hard Times Café- Chili and hot dogs for 65.
> $872. $13.41 per person. Because it was a football
> game. There are LOTS of those.
>
> Maggiano's 12/13- pasta and salad for ?143. $2300.
> Holiday lunch. $273 delivery fee and $100 tip this
> time. $16 per person.
>
> Cheesecake Factory- $308.56 for 12 people (no
> names). $26 per person. 75% of GSA is $13.50 per
> person. This was during the work day, which
> probably also meant at least two hours to drive
> over, park, gather, order, drive back. To work.
> Note-this is not to be taken as a recommendation
> to have everything delivered. This is a good
> looking lunch, including eight desserts each of
> which cost more than I spent cooking dinner last
> night.
>
> Good times don't come cheap.
The attachment. Sorry.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts/Annandale
()
Date: September 19, 2014 03:37PM
I pulled a few generic charges at Annandale. Lots of restaurants, parties, lots of trips to the nearby gift shop, things like 45 dozen donuts.... I thought it was interesting that they sent out for lunch on Bosses Day and bought the Admin team lunch. The principal basically threw his own party using public funds. Well, it's true!
Found an Admin retreat at an interesting location. Greenspring Village. A retirement community down in Springfield. Lovely place. I know it very well. Wonder how they picked it. Not quite as exciting as checking into a swanky hotel....The locals must have gotten a kick out of watching a pack of FCPS employees set up shop in their card room.
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Found an Admin retreat at an interesting location. Greenspring Village. A retirement community down in Springfield. Lovely place. I know it very well. Wonder how they picked it. Not quite as exciting as checking into a swanky hotel....The locals must have gotten a kick out of watching a pack of FCPS employees set up shop in their card room.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
So Angry, So Angry
()
Date: September 19, 2014 06:57PM
Good job pointing out some things that should be addressed. Point made. When you say, "I can't do it all" who exactly is asking you to? Do you feel like you have constituents in your own fictitious political party? If you really are just "the facts" why the need for the snarky, judgmental comments? You lose me there. Just post what you find and let people decide whether or not they really care and leave the hyperbole out of it - you'd be far more credible that you are trying to do a good thing and not just on a witch hunt.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
barbarab
()
Date: September 19, 2014 07:07PM
Barbara Brown- you still have not answered our questions
Do you fOIA your bosses accounts?
Has Reston Hospital even given you a free t-shirt, meal, etc?
Why do you begrudge teachers getting a free ice cream, shirt, or lunch?
Do you fOIA your bosses accounts?
Has Reston Hospital even given you a free t-shirt, meal, etc?
Why do you begrudge teachers getting a free ice cream, shirt, or lunch?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
agree with above
()
Date: September 19, 2014 07:26PM
^^^^^^^^above poster has it
The stuff you're finding is worth being public. And to an extent, your explanations are very helpful. But, unfortunately, support for public education has become hyper-politicized and your snarky comments draw readers toward viewing all school employees as moochers of public funds who do little in return.
Give us the facts and tell us who was responsible. It isn't necessary to paint all teachers, including Joe first-year math teacher, as gluttons for free lunches.
The stuff you're finding is worth being public. And to an extent, your explanations are very helpful. But, unfortunately, support for public education has become hyper-politicized and your snarky comments draw readers toward viewing all school employees as moochers of public funds who do little in return.
Give us the facts and tell us who was responsible. It isn't necessary to paint all teachers, including Joe first-year math teacher, as gluttons for free lunches.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
agree with above
()
Date: September 19, 2014 07:29PM
Let me clarify now that the post went to thread: I was agreeing with "So Angry, So Angry," not "Barbarab"
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 19, 2014 07:37PM
^I think the mentality of some of the above is that they don't want this information put out. Period. I never said people didn't work hard. But, they work for the government. They chose to work for the government. And part of that is restrictions on what you can do with public funds. Deal with it.
I will say anything I darn well please. I shell out thousands of dollars a year that goes into this system.
Have a nice weekend.
I will say anything I darn well please. I shell out thousands of dollars a year that goes into this system.
Have a nice weekend.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
agree with above
()
Date: September 19, 2014 07:50PM
I want you to put this information out. I am in support of that 100%. I do not, however, agree with all of your commentary (I say this because I darn well please to).
As the undisputed bastion for this cause, you should take a bit more ownership of the role of public servant - you should avoid at all costs comments that detract from the facts or convict those whose only guilt is association. I say that because you seem to take pride in the service you are providing, which is a good one. You will be a more effective reporter if you hold yourself to the same standards as those who wear that title as a profession.
Right now, you come off a bit as an empty-nester who likes numbers, finger-pointing, and wine.
As the undisputed bastion for this cause, you should take a bit more ownership of the role of public servant - you should avoid at all costs comments that detract from the facts or convict those whose only guilt is association. I say that because you seem to take pride in the service you are providing, which is a good one. You will be a more effective reporter if you hold yourself to the same standards as those who wear that title as a profession.
Right now, you come off a bit as an empty-nester who likes numbers, finger-pointing, and wine.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
agree
()
Date: September 19, 2014 11:29PM
Barbara or whatever your name is....you dole out SOOO much criticism but countless posters have tried to get you to tone down your commentary but you cannot see you are in fact damage your case every time you say 'i can't do this all'. No one asked you to. It is your choice.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 20, 2014 10:16AM
I said I will speak my mind if I darn well please. I think it is ridiculous that a public official goes to one of the most expensive restaurants in the county, charges up dinner on the county card, can't provide names of who attended, and I get a half-a## copy of the bill to boot.
And I don't have a problem saying that. You can take your politically correct attitudes and go to the Mike O'Meara thread if you don't like it.
By saying "I can't do it all" I am trying to tell people there is probably plenty more that I am not picking up.
Have a nice weekend.
And I don't have a problem saying that. You can take your politically correct attitudes and go to the Mike O'Meara thread if you don't like it.
By saying "I can't do it all" I am trying to tell people there is probably plenty more that I am not picking up.
Have a nice weekend.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
restore trust in the system
()
Date: September 20, 2014 11:14AM
The focus here should not be on Barbara, but on the bills being presented. Discrediting the messenger does not make the message less credible. What she is putting out here is real, true stuff. Is she perfect? No. But I think she is making a difference in her own way. What are you doing besides attacking her? And trying to distract attention from the matter at hand?
I, for one, am grateful that some of this is coming out. I am not against some of this spending, but I think there is some that has been "over the top". A lack of honesty and poor judgement leads to a lack of respect inside the FCPS system. Some of the people in FCPS do not understand that they are there to serve the public and not there to have the public serve them. If they get away with a little, sooner or later they try to take more and more. We have had enough.
I, for one, am grateful that some of this is coming out. I am not against some of this spending, but I think there is some that has been "over the top". A lack of honesty and poor judgement leads to a lack of respect inside the FCPS system. Some of the people in FCPS do not understand that they are there to serve the public and not there to have the public serve them. If they get away with a little, sooner or later they try to take more and more. We have had enough.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Great job
()
Date: September 20, 2014 11:27AM
Thanks for all of this info. It is a lot of time and the foils cost money. Thank you again.
No question there is mismanagement and waste going on in schools.
I just paid 60 bucks for art class and 90 for gourmet cooking.
I wonder where that money goes?
No question there is mismanagement and waste going on in schools.
I just paid 60 bucks for art class and 90 for gourmet cooking.
I wonder where that money goes?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
keep it coming
()
Date: September 20, 2014 12:03PM
I think Fact Checker has done a great service. I agree her rhetoric gets too emotional and too finger pointing, but I am very interested to see how it all plays out. As a long time FCPS teacher I am proud to say I am NOT at one of the Morton's or Magianno schools. (WHAT WERE THOSE PRINCIPALS THINKING???) Hope the public knows that most schools have prudent principals who funnel discretionary funds into student and employee welfare. However, I disagree that employees can't have a food, water bottle or cheap T-shirt treat. Barb makes too many references to bringing a brown bag. It is akin to us being considered factory workers and not professionals. Today more and more duties have been foisted on teachers especially with the Monday schedule change and the public is totally unaware of details. What I DO fear is that Gatehouse will step in and make changes that will harm teachers and students and the excess spending on the part of administrators and the school board will continue. I was clueless about the cost of the principals' retreats. The peons always suffer - just read history. Advice - keep posting Barb, but avoid being sanctimonious and snarky. Facts speak. Editorialzing doesn't.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
SoAngrySoAngry
()
Date: September 20, 2014 12:20PM
There's a difference in pointing out facts and taking to another level. Yes, resorts and lavish dinners should go, (I completely agree with you and I am not arguing those points of the idea those points were brought to this forum even) those funds could be redirected for better use, the other stuff doesn't bother me, that's my opinion and I can make when presented with just the facts.
It is however precarious when you start posting peoples names online - Internet Defamation is interstesting. I have been doing some reading on the subject this morning as I looked through the many posts on this thread. Until you have all "the facts" and even if you do, you may want to reconsider what you do here in this forum...... I know, your response will be "I can say whatever I darn well please, I pay thousands in taxes, blah, blah, blah. Have a nice weekend." Don't present yourself as someone who is JUST trying to do a service... You go beyond that, perhaps for attention, shock value, or whatever.... I'm not calling for you to stop, post away, but own what you are doing.
It is however precarious when you start posting peoples names online - Internet Defamation is interstesting. I have been doing some reading on the subject this morning as I looked through the many posts on this thread. Until you have all "the facts" and even if you do, you may want to reconsider what you do here in this forum...... I know, your response will be "I can say whatever I darn well please, I pay thousands in taxes, blah, blah, blah. Have a nice weekend." Don't present yourself as someone who is JUST trying to do a service... You go beyond that, perhaps for attention, shock value, or whatever.... I'm not calling for you to stop, post away, but own what you are doing.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
mPTWK
()
Date: September 20, 2014 12:51PM
Great job Wrote:
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> Thanks for all of this info. It is a lot of time
> and the foils cost money. Thank you again.
>
> No question there is mismanagement and waste going
> on in schools.
>
> I just paid 60 bucks for art class and 90 for
> gourmet cooking.
>
> I wonder where that money goes?
fee money for courses goes into accounts that are separate from the expenditures listed in this thread. The teachers of those classes use that money for various supplies and materials that are 'consumable' by the students. Items that the students will use and dispose of or keep through the year (paint brushes, drawing paper, etc.) That money is not supposed to be used for anything the program keeps for multiple years - just things a kid will use up in the course of their activities, and/or items they'd take home for themselves (a t-shirt, etc).
The fees you listed are legit, and within regulations.
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> Thanks for all of this info. It is a lot of time
> and the foils cost money. Thank you again.
>
> No question there is mismanagement and waste going
> on in schools.
>
> I just paid 60 bucks for art class and 90 for
> gourmet cooking.
>
> I wonder where that money goes?
fee money for courses goes into accounts that are separate from the expenditures listed in this thread. The teachers of those classes use that money for various supplies and materials that are 'consumable' by the students. Items that the students will use and dispose of or keep through the year (paint brushes, drawing paper, etc.) That money is not supposed to be used for anything the program keeps for multiple years - just things a kid will use up in the course of their activities, and/or items they'd take home for themselves (a t-shirt, etc).
The fees you listed are legit, and within regulations.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
fees are very legit
()
Date: September 20, 2014 06:13PM
Course fees exist for courses that require more materials/supplies/resources than FCPS allocates. Various elective courses are a good example of this because most of them work with specialized materials that are different than the average academic textbook, calculator, what have you.
It is great that FCPS recognizes the educational benefit of classes in art, music, FCS, drama, and several more elective options, but they really aren't in a position to finance the necessary materials because of the need to be equitable within the school with available funds.
If you pay the course fee and the teacher is worth their salt, know that it is a worthwhile investment in your kid's education.
Yes, barb should stick to the facts and do less editorializing.
It is great that FCPS recognizes the educational benefit of classes in art, music, FCS, drama, and several more elective options, but they really aren't in a position to finance the necessary materials because of the need to be equitable within the school with available funds.
If you pay the course fee and the teacher is worth their salt, know that it is a worthwhile investment in your kid's education.
Yes, barb should stick to the facts and do less editorializing.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 20, 2014 08:37PM
Posting names that are public record tied to the information they were involved in is just the way it goes. If you don't want your name tied to a dinner at McCormick and Schmick or George's at the Cove on the public dollar, then DON'T GO. You are supposed to be on per diem, anyway. There is nothing precarious about that at all. If we bought your dinner or a hotel room, or you signed off a PO, you're out there, buddy. I have several more coming on the restaurant tour. Sakura looks like fun, Indigo Landing looks marvelous, and a few others. A sampling of several schools. Yes. WHAT ARE/WERE THEY THINKING? Don't assume your school isn't one of "those schools". You have to get deep into the accounting information to locate some of these soires. They are crafty.
There are a lot of people who brown bag it. I can name two people with Doctoral degrees that I see with an actual brown bag all the time. I know two millionaires who brown bag it every day. Don't get all high and mighty. It's better for your health, saves a lot of money, and it is just the way they like to live their lives. It shows a lot of common sense. Get a fancy bag if you are offended by using a brown bag.
You have the right to pull the records on the art class money and the gourmet cooking class money. They are basically user fees. These are regulated by the state and the School Board. They can charge for "consumables" and some other things. Request to see the records. It is very easy. Send an email to Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu. 12 working days later (or sooner) you will have your records. Basic accounting data is generally free. Pulling receipts will cost you.
I will say whatever I darn well please. You all are. A LOT of you are downright crazy. Who are you to tell me what to do? Why don't you all request some information like this and post it?
And if I want a glass of wine I will have a glass of wine and I don't apologize for that, either.
I think there are just a lot of people who wish this all could have gone in secrecy and are not too happy about this. Oh well. Organizations who are in financial trouble are not busy sorting through receipts from Morton's, hotels, etc., buying 45 dozen donuts, and going off per diem in New Orleans and handing the taxpayers a bill for $600+.
There are a lot of people who brown bag it. I can name two people with Doctoral degrees that I see with an actual brown bag all the time. I know two millionaires who brown bag it every day. Don't get all high and mighty. It's better for your health, saves a lot of money, and it is just the way they like to live their lives. It shows a lot of common sense. Get a fancy bag if you are offended by using a brown bag.
You have the right to pull the records on the art class money and the gourmet cooking class money. They are basically user fees. These are regulated by the state and the School Board. They can charge for "consumables" and some other things. Request to see the records. It is very easy. Send an email to Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu. 12 working days later (or sooner) you will have your records. Basic accounting data is generally free. Pulling receipts will cost you.
I will say whatever I darn well please. You all are. A LOT of you are downright crazy. Who are you to tell me what to do? Why don't you all request some information like this and post it?
And if I want a glass of wine I will have a glass of wine and I don't apologize for that, either.
I think there are just a lot of people who wish this all could have gone in secrecy and are not too happy about this. Oh well. Organizations who are in financial trouble are not busy sorting through receipts from Morton's, hotels, etc., buying 45 dozen donuts, and going off per diem in New Orleans and handing the taxpayers a bill for $600+.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
twinge
()
Date: September 20, 2014 11:09PM
a nerve is struck
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
keep it coming
()
Date: September 21, 2014 06:43AM
There you go again!
"I will say whatever I darn well please. You all are. A LOT of you are downright crazy. Who are you to tell me what to do? Why don't you all request some information like this and post it?"
If you were not so paranoid and defensive you would be taken more seriously and your information would be more valuable in achieving reform.
"Who are we?" People who are interested in your findings, but who are more rational than you appear to be!
"Twinge" is correct - a nerve is indeed struck!
"I will say whatever I darn well please. You all are. A LOT of you are downright crazy. Who are you to tell me what to do? Why don't you all request some information like this and post it?"
If you were not so paranoid and defensive you would be taken more seriously and your information would be more valuable in achieving reform.
"Who are we?" People who are interested in your findings, but who are more rational than you appear to be!
"Twinge" is correct - a nerve is indeed struck!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
emotions flare
()
Date: September 21, 2014 10:14AM
Whenever money is a topic of conversation, emotions tend to get involved. It's just how it is.
I am glad that this information is being put out. It took someone who is passionate to do it. That's generally how these things happen. You might not like the passion, but you can look at the evidence and make your own decisions. If all of these expenditures are on the up and up, the people spending the money have nothing to worry about. So far it appears that they are worried and wish to lash out at the person revealing the problem (and blame her for their problem). They created their own problem if there is one. People make their own beds. The door is being opened so that we can see the bedroom.
I am glad that this information is being put out. It took someone who is passionate to do it. That's generally how these things happen. You might not like the passion, but you can look at the evidence and make your own decisions. If all of these expenditures are on the up and up, the people spending the money have nothing to worry about. So far it appears that they are worried and wish to lash out at the person revealing the problem (and blame her for their problem). They created their own problem if there is one. People make their own beds. The door is being opened so that we can see the bedroom.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
concerned taxpayer
()
Date: September 21, 2014 10:46AM
Facts,
Don't let them get to you--clearly there are people posting here, trying to kill the messenger with ad hominem and faint praise ('...I don't agree with all this spending, but. . . .') who don't want this examined anymore.
They are the ones experiencing a "twinge" because whats been disclosed, far from a few oversights or decisions with bad "optics" is a persistent pattern of blatant abuse of public funds.
The double dipping with the principals association funds proves it!
Don't let them get to you--clearly there are people posting here, trying to kill the messenger with ad hominem and faint praise ('...I don't agree with all this spending, but. . . .') who don't want this examined anymore.
They are the ones experiencing a "twinge" because whats been disclosed, far from a few oversights or decisions with bad "optics" is a persistent pattern of blatant abuse of public funds.
The double dipping with the principals association funds proves it!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
also a taxpayer
()
Date: September 21, 2014 11:18AM
Just about every post I read asking the facts to tone down the crazy make it pretty obvious (by blatantly saying it) that they want her to continue posting this info.
I'd say its fair to attack the messenger if their antics drive people away from the message.
This type of info is worthy of being treated as real news, not tabloid.
I'd say its fair to attack the messenger if their antics drive people away from the message.
This type of info is worthy of being treated as real news, not tabloid.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
flip flopping
()
Date: September 21, 2014 12:40PM
"I'd say its fair to attack the messenger if their antics drive people away from the message."
I don't think people are being driven away . . . don't worry about protecting her so much. You sound like you're her friend or something now . . . you keep changing your tune. What is it---are you worried about people not getting her message or do you want her to stop posting her message? You vacillate.
I don't think people are being driven away . . . don't worry about protecting her so much. You sound like you're her friend or something now . . . you keep changing your tune. What is it---are you worried about people not getting her message or do you want her to stop posting her message? You vacillate.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
not mutually exclusive
()
Date: September 21, 2014 12:54PM
Toning down the crazy and continuing to provide the info are not mutually exclusive of each other. Both can be done.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
you are affected too much
()
Date: September 21, 2014 01:14PM
^ Or you could just ignore the crazy and look at the attachments. Is that hard for you?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
FFX Underground is a Circus
()
Date: September 21, 2014 01:17PM
Yes, it is hard to ignore the crazy.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
answer is easy
()
Date: September 21, 2014 01:33PM
^Then don't come on here.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 21, 2014 01:57PM
I have asked for an itemized and legible receipt for Morton's. You all did notice the reimbursement for $56? I think maybe somebody was along for the ride at this boondoggle and their bill was paid on the county credit card.......?
No personal expenses on county credit cards. That is the agreement when you are allowed to use a p-card.....
No personal expenses on county credit cards. That is the agreement when you are allowed to use a p-card.....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 21, 2014 02:07PM
the facts Wrote:
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> I have asked for an itemized and legible receipt
> for Morton's. You all did notice the reimbursement
> for $56? I think maybe somebody was along for the
> ride at this boondoggle and their bill was paid on
> the county credit card.......?
>
> No personal expenses on county credit cards. That
> is the agreement when you are allowed to use a
> p-card.....
But, we are probably never going to know since they conveniently "don't any names". Jeez. This just gets messier and messier....
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> I have asked for an itemized and legible receipt
> for Morton's. You all did notice the reimbursement
> for $56? I think maybe somebody was along for the
> ride at this boondoggle and their bill was paid on
> the county credit card.......?
>
> No personal expenses on county credit cards. That
> is the agreement when you are allowed to use a
> p-card.....
But, we are probably never going to know since they conveniently "don't any names". Jeez. This just gets messier and messier....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
hammer/nail
()
Date: September 21, 2014 03:00PM
^^^^^^^I think you meant don't HAVE any names, facts. That's okay. This is how it works. I do this all the time when I go to a dinner paid for by another party and I take my spouse along (I travel a lot). I get as much as I can on my meal, my spouse orders just an entree, and then we split the sides/salad/ dessert.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Teacher Teacher
()
Date: September 21, 2014 04:01PM
I have been teaching in FCPS for over 15 years and reading these posts is making me crazy. Do I like getting any-shirt every year, and breakfast or lunch a couple of times a year? Sure. It's nice. Would I rather have fewer kids in my classes? You betcha. Would I rather have working technology? Yup. Would I rather have money for classroom supplies? Absolutely, since I spend way more on those each year than I would on a t-shirt and a few mediocre meals.
So, keep it up "the facts." Please stop bashing the teachers, however. We do not ask for any of these things and would much prefer the money be spent on the things I outlined above. When principals are spending thousands to stay overnight at resorts just down the street and then come back with more initiatives for teachers to implement simply to justify their trip, it sucks. Maybe if they are held accountable for some of this money, things will improve for the students.
So, keep it up "the facts." Please stop bashing the teachers, however. We do not ask for any of these things and would much prefer the money be spent on the things I outlined above. When principals are spending thousands to stay overnight at resorts just down the street and then come back with more initiatives for teachers to implement simply to justify their trip, it sucks. Maybe if they are held accountable for some of this money, things will improve for the students.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
flip flopper (only not)
()
Date: September 21, 2014 04:47PM
answer is easy Wrote:
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> ^Then don't come on here.
Isn't that the point some posters are making? The crazy drives away the potential audience. I'd think most in support of the facts' efforts would want a large audience base. Maybe not.
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> ^Then don't come on here.
Isn't that the point some posters are making? The crazy drives away the potential audience. I'd think most in support of the facts' efforts would want a large audience base. Maybe not.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 21, 2014 04:49PM
Two regulations about employee organizations. Are the HSPA and the MSPA certified employee organizations? Just exactly what are these? Do they have some organizational documents? Again, if they form a separate organization, shouldn't they pay their dues and expenses out of their own pockets? The school system is not allowed to give financial support to employee organizations, I believe. No gifts to employee groups is noted in the published guidelines. If dues and expenses are pulled out of public funds, and routed through these associations, those are gifts, and the staff individually benefit from the money. Thoughts?
I think there is an Elementary School Principals' Association, also.
BTW, people say quit talking about stuff then THEY talk about stuff. You can say whatever you want, people.
Attachments:
I think there is an Elementary School Principals' Association, also.
BTW, people say quit talking about stuff then THEY talk about stuff. You can say whatever you want, people.
Attachments:
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 21, 2014 04:52PM
Teacher Teacher Wrote:
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> I have been teaching in FCPS for over 15 years and
> reading these posts is making me crazy. Do I like
> getting any-shirt every year, and breakfast or
> lunch a couple of times a year? Sure. It's nice.
> Would I rather have fewer kids in my classes? You
> betcha. Would I rather have working technology?
> Yup. Would I rather have money for classroom
> supplies? Absolutely, since I spend way more on
> those each year than I would on a t-shirt and a
> few mediocre meals.
>
> So, keep it up "the facts." Please stop bashing
> the teachers, however. We do not ask for any of
> these things and would much prefer the money be
> spent on the things I outlined above. When
> principals are spending thousands to stay
> overnight at resorts just down the street and then
> come back with more initiatives for teachers to
> implement simply to justify their trip, it sucks.
> Maybe if they are held accountable for some of
> this money, things will improve for the students.
I haven't been bashing teachers. I have been pointing out that a lot of processes need to be evaluated.
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> I have been teaching in FCPS for over 15 years and
> reading these posts is making me crazy. Do I like
> getting any-shirt every year, and breakfast or
> lunch a couple of times a year? Sure. It's nice.
> Would I rather have fewer kids in my classes? You
> betcha. Would I rather have working technology?
> Yup. Would I rather have money for classroom
> supplies? Absolutely, since I spend way more on
> those each year than I would on a t-shirt and a
> few mediocre meals.
>
> So, keep it up "the facts." Please stop bashing
> the teachers, however. We do not ask for any of
> these things and would much prefer the money be
> spent on the things I outlined above. When
> principals are spending thousands to stay
> overnight at resorts just down the street and then
> come back with more initiatives for teachers to
> implement simply to justify their trip, it sucks.
> Maybe if they are held accountable for some of
> this money, things will improve for the students.
I haven't been bashing teachers. I have been pointing out that a lot of processes need to be evaluated.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
concept I deal with nearly daily
()
Date: September 21, 2014 06:01PM
> I haven't been bashing teachers. I have been
> pointing out that a lot of processes need to be
> evaluated.
Intention and perception often do not align.
> pointing out that a lot of processes need to be
> evaluated.
Intention and perception often do not align.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Agree
()
Date: September 21, 2014 06:03PM
At least have the integrity to see that you have in fact bashed teachers for accepting tshirts sandwiches and pizza. Over and over.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
xFKYM
()
Date: September 21, 2014 06:15PM
pretty sure you called teachers 'peons' a while back in this thread
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
agree with agree
()
Date: September 21, 2014 06:17PM
<At least have the integrity to see that you have in fact bashed teachers for <accepting tshirts sandwiches and pizza. Over and over.
Yes! Those purchases are the action of an administrator. Why would you fault a teacher for taking a slice of pizza when someone announces over the intercom that it is available in the work room?
Yet the facts keeps on saying things like, "you have to brown bag it like the rest of us."
Yes! Those purchases are the action of an administrator. Why would you fault a teacher for taking a slice of pizza when someone announces over the intercom that it is available in the work room?
Yet the facts keeps on saying things like, "you have to brown bag it like the rest of us."
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Business expenses
()
Date: September 21, 2014 07:54PM
At my firm if the expense report isn't legible than you don't get reimbursed. No exceptions.
These sloppy reports are obscene. If they doubt itemize everything with who attended events than no obey back.
These principals will learn oce they are personally charged for these outings.
These sloppy reports are obscene. If they doubt itemize everything with who attended events than no obey back.
These principals will learn oce they are personally charged for these outings.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
teach 4 real
()
Date: September 21, 2014 10:37PM
Facts hasn't bashed teachers--this is principals trying to lump in teachers, who they were taking the money from--with their own problems. Teachers have no say in whether there are t-shirts or end of year meals or whatever. The people who have oversight--the principals--are using the teachers to justify the graft. more cross referencing needs to happen with industry conferences and similar events. Do you think George's at the Cove was happenstance?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 22, 2014 10:03AM
Intention and perception are certainly very different. Good point. Everybody filters things a different way.
I made it very clear that if you are offered a present, party, etc. then take it. Making that decision is not up to the individual teacher, to a point. If somebody offers you a $500 "gift" then something is obviously very wrong and you need to talk to somebody about this. The people who are making the decision to offer and purchase things like $4000 parties and $100 dinners for themselves and others are to be held accountable and need some restrictions.
Anybody who works for the government is basically a government peon, meaning they have certain rules to follow, no matter what role they have in the organization. Per diem, bribes, gifts, inappropriate use of resources, things like steering purchases to a company owned by you, etc. are examples. These all apply to everybody from the School Board on down to the wonderful hardworking people who clean the bathrooms and mow the grass.
The sloppy reports are indeed obscene. Thank you. They generally have been fairly clear. I have some ugly but probably accurate suspicions why "names [conveniently] aren't available" on a few of these....I personally think the best way to handle this is to say no individual local meals on the pcards. They already aren't supposed to be there for non-local travel. Pay for them yourself (which is probably what you are supposed to be doing anyway). If you are lucky, you get reimbursed or get the $11.50/mileage. As far as the group things, you can't tell me there are several meetings a week that require all these people to be fed and entertained. These need to be very few and far between. Just because you meet with the entire staff for an hour or two one morning or afternoon a week doesn't mean you need to put out a spread from Panera. It's WORK-not a party. People need to learn to (yes) pack a brown bag or have breakfast before they leave the house or stop by the cafeteria or make a quick run to Subway on the way to or from some of these meetings. That applies to everybody. Maybe keep some sustenance in your car or desk drawer if you are that desperate. (Every school has a cafeteria, as does Gatehouse.) That is what the rest of the government and private sector "peons" do. The citizens don't owe you three meals a day. Just quit doing it-right now-and people will figure out really fast what they need to do. Nobody is going to starve-trust me. It will save a ton of money on personnel costs, also. The keeping of receipts, the setting up, cleaning up, partaking of the stuff, the researching and planning and ordering....It will be a mountain of work lifted from the shoulders of a LOT of people. It might also make for shorter meetings!!!!!! I fail to see why some of these schools are routinely dropping $2000+ a month on this stuff.
The new guidelines have cleared the way for appropriated funds to be used for some of this. I know they already were, according to the audits I saw. More accounts to check........
***********I asked for the organizational documents on the HSPA/MSPA. This will be interesting. I don't understand why the citizens are paying for golf and nice restaurant meals for the members of these associations when services to the children are being cut. Can somebody please explain this to me???? The principals make six-figure salaries. They carry a huge responsibility with that, but that is an impressive salary. If they want to go golfing or go to a nice restaurant with a few of their co-workers and maybe their spouses they should be able to afford that. Their meetings could probably be held in a lecture hall, school library, or large classroom. You can't tell me every single one is booked every evening of the school year.
I made it very clear that if you are offered a present, party, etc. then take it. Making that decision is not up to the individual teacher, to a point. If somebody offers you a $500 "gift" then something is obviously very wrong and you need to talk to somebody about this. The people who are making the decision to offer and purchase things like $4000 parties and $100 dinners for themselves and others are to be held accountable and need some restrictions.
Anybody who works for the government is basically a government peon, meaning they have certain rules to follow, no matter what role they have in the organization. Per diem, bribes, gifts, inappropriate use of resources, things like steering purchases to a company owned by you, etc. are examples. These all apply to everybody from the School Board on down to the wonderful hardworking people who clean the bathrooms and mow the grass.
The sloppy reports are indeed obscene. Thank you. They generally have been fairly clear. I have some ugly but probably accurate suspicions why "names [conveniently] aren't available" on a few of these....I personally think the best way to handle this is to say no individual local meals on the pcards. They already aren't supposed to be there for non-local travel. Pay for them yourself (which is probably what you are supposed to be doing anyway). If you are lucky, you get reimbursed or get the $11.50/mileage. As far as the group things, you can't tell me there are several meetings a week that require all these people to be fed and entertained. These need to be very few and far between. Just because you meet with the entire staff for an hour or two one morning or afternoon a week doesn't mean you need to put out a spread from Panera. It's WORK-not a party. People need to learn to (yes) pack a brown bag or have breakfast before they leave the house or stop by the cafeteria or make a quick run to Subway on the way to or from some of these meetings. That applies to everybody. Maybe keep some sustenance in your car or desk drawer if you are that desperate. (Every school has a cafeteria, as does Gatehouse.) That is what the rest of the government and private sector "peons" do. The citizens don't owe you three meals a day. Just quit doing it-right now-and people will figure out really fast what they need to do. Nobody is going to starve-trust me. It will save a ton of money on personnel costs, also. The keeping of receipts, the setting up, cleaning up, partaking of the stuff, the researching and planning and ordering....It will be a mountain of work lifted from the shoulders of a LOT of people. It might also make for shorter meetings!!!!!! I fail to see why some of these schools are routinely dropping $2000+ a month on this stuff.
The new guidelines have cleared the way for appropriated funds to be used for some of this. I know they already were, according to the audits I saw. More accounts to check........
***********I asked for the organizational documents on the HSPA/MSPA. This will be interesting. I don't understand why the citizens are paying for golf and nice restaurant meals for the members of these associations when services to the children are being cut. Can somebody please explain this to me???? The principals make six-figure salaries. They carry a huge responsibility with that, but that is an impressive salary. If they want to go golfing or go to a nice restaurant with a few of their co-workers and maybe their spouses they should be able to afford that. Their meetings could probably be held in a lecture hall, school library, or large classroom. You can't tell me every single one is booked every evening of the school year.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
expense pro
()
Date: September 22, 2014 01:22PM
I work for a small firm managed by a person who monitors every detail. Hours have to be very carefully logged in daily, all receipts have to be legible and present and appropriate, things have to be turned in and they want them on time and until all this is done-YOU DON'T GET PAID. Payday will come and go for you. So sad. That's life in the real world. I say make them pay for some of this stuff and beg to get reimbursed instead of charging it up and then waiting for somebody to figure out what they have been up to. That leads to lots of problems, as we are seeing here.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
$100
()
Date: September 22, 2014 02:09PM
100 dollars at Morton's? this is what can be bought for $100.
2 cases of copy paper, or
3000 pages of construction paper,or
400 pencils,or
700 pens, or
150 highlighters
Don't want to hear about it.
2 cases of copy paper, or
3000 pages of construction paper,or
400 pencils,or
700 pens, or
150 highlighters
Don't want to hear about it.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
huEcE
()
Date: September 22, 2014 03:25PM
the facts Wrote:
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> I made it very clear that if you are offered a
> present, party, etc. then take it.
Wrong. I was on a non-profit board that treated themselves to a big Thank You dinner every year. I didn't think it was right and was not justifiable. I never attended a single one.
Assuming that teachers should just take whatever is offered absolves them of the ethical requirements of their position as an employee. Just because you are at the bottom of the ladder doesn't give you a free pass to take whatever is offered. Perhaps a little shaming from the front line troops would make the administrators a bit more ethical themselves.
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> I made it very clear that if you are offered a
> present, party, etc. then take it.
Wrong. I was on a non-profit board that treated themselves to a big Thank You dinner every year. I didn't think it was right and was not justifiable. I never attended a single one.
Assuming that teachers should just take whatever is offered absolves them of the ethical requirements of their position as an employee. Just because you are at the bottom of the ladder doesn't give you a free pass to take whatever is offered. Perhaps a little shaming from the front line troops would make the administrators a bit more ethical themselves.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 22, 2014 03:37PM
^^^I don't have a problem with them accepting a pizza lunch or a mug. The new guidelines do allow things like this, with restrictions. They are not in a position to mouth off at their boss.
I will tell you one thing, if I had gone to New Orleans and was told we were going off of per diem and bilking the taxpayers for a $63 dinner instead of staying on per diem, I would have said "no" and stuck to my per diem and asked for a separate check. THAT set a really bad example.
I will tell you one thing, if I had gone to New Orleans and was told we were going off of per diem and bilking the taxpayers for a $63 dinner instead of staying on per diem, I would have said "no" and stuck to my per diem and asked for a separate check. THAT set a really bad example.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
hitting my nerve
()
Date: September 22, 2014 08:16PM
$100 Wrote:
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> 100 dollars at Morton's? this is what can be
> bought for $100.
> 2 cases of copy paper, or
> 3000 pages of construction paper,or
> 400 pencils,or
> 700 pens, or
> 150 highlighters
>
> Don't want to hear about it.
How many were at this thing at Morton's? I couldn't afford to go there in my wildest dreams.
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> 100 dollars at Morton's? this is what can be
> bought for $100.
> 2 cases of copy paper, or
> 3000 pages of construction paper,or
> 400 pencils,or
> 700 pens, or
> 150 highlighters
>
> Don't want to hear about it.
How many were at this thing at Morton's? I couldn't afford to go there in my wildest dreams.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
ask a stupid question...
()
Date: September 22, 2014 08:29PM
hitting my nerve Wrote:
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> $100 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 100 dollars at Morton's? this is what can be
> > bought for $100.
> > 2 cases of copy paper, or
> > 3000 pages of construction paper,or
> > 400 pencils,or
> > 700 pens, or
> > 150 highlighters
> >
> > Don't want to hear about it.
>
>
> How many were at this thing at Morton's? I
> couldn't afford to go there in my wildest dreams.
Probably a bunch. We were buying, not them. 20+?
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> $100 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 100 dollars at Morton's? this is what can be
> > bought for $100.
> > 2 cases of copy paper, or
> > 3000 pages of construction paper,or
> > 400 pencils,or
> > 700 pens, or
> > 150 highlighters
> >
> > Don't want to hear about it.
>
>
> How many were at this thing at Morton's? I
> couldn't afford to go there in my wildest dreams.
Probably a bunch. We were buying, not them. 20+?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
hammer/nail
()
Date: September 23, 2014 06:54AM
hammer/nail Wrote:
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> ^^^^^^^I think you meant don't HAVE any names,
> facts. That's okay. This is how it works. I do
> this all the time when I go to a dinner paid for
> by another party and I take my spouse along (I
> travel a lot). I get as much as I can on my meal,
> my spouse orders just an entree, and then we split
> the sides/salad/ dessert.
Then again, the $56 reimbursement might be for a round of cocktails or a bottle of wine. Interesting that there isn't an itemized receipt.
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> ^^^^^^^I think you meant don't HAVE any names,
> facts. That's okay. This is how it works. I do
> this all the time when I go to a dinner paid for
> by another party and I take my spouse along (I
> travel a lot). I get as much as I can on my meal,
> my spouse orders just an entree, and then we split
> the sides/salad/ dessert.
Then again, the $56 reimbursement might be for a round of cocktails or a bottle of wine. Interesting that there isn't an itemized receipt.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
This, except...
()
Date: September 23, 2014 07:22AM
Teacher Teacher Wrote:
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> I have been teaching in FCPS for over 15 years and
> reading these posts is making me crazy. Do I like
> getting any-shirt every year, and breakfast or
> lunch a couple of times a year? Sure. It's nice.
> Would I rather have fewer kids in my classes? You
> betcha. Would I rather have working technology?
> Yup. Would I rather have money for classroom
> supplies? Absolutely, since I spend way more on
> those each year than I would on a t-shirt and a
> few mediocre meals.
>
> So, keep it up "the facts." Please stop bashing
> the teachers, however. We do not ask for any of
> these things and would much prefer the money be
> spent on the things I outlined above. When
> principals are spending thousands to stay
> overnight at resorts just down the street and then
> come back with more initiatives for teachers to
> implement simply to justify their trip, it sucks.
> Maybe if they are held accountable for some of
> this money, things will improve for the students.
Agree with this poster. Except, instead of tshirts and big breakfasts, I'd much prefer a real raise! I've been teaching for 20 years, and in the past several years the cost of living, cuts to VRS contributions,etc have surpassed my ability to live like a normal human being. At this stage in life, i should not be going backwards in debt, despite my frugality!!
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> I have been teaching in FCPS for over 15 years and
> reading these posts is making me crazy. Do I like
> getting any-shirt every year, and breakfast or
> lunch a couple of times a year? Sure. It's nice.
> Would I rather have fewer kids in my classes? You
> betcha. Would I rather have working technology?
> Yup. Would I rather have money for classroom
> supplies? Absolutely, since I spend way more on
> those each year than I would on a t-shirt and a
> few mediocre meals.
>
> So, keep it up "the facts." Please stop bashing
> the teachers, however. We do not ask for any of
> these things and would much prefer the money be
> spent on the things I outlined above. When
> principals are spending thousands to stay
> overnight at resorts just down the street and then
> come back with more initiatives for teachers to
> implement simply to justify their trip, it sucks.
> Maybe if they are held accountable for some of
> this money, things will improve for the students.
Agree with this poster. Except, instead of tshirts and big breakfasts, I'd much prefer a real raise! I've been teaching for 20 years, and in the past several years the cost of living, cuts to VRS contributions,etc have surpassed my ability to live like a normal human being. At this stage in life, i should not be going backwards in debt, despite my frugality!!
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 23, 2014 11:51AM
Regarding the tens of thousands of dollars we are paying for state associations, local associations, etc. and the associated costs-
Reg 5810-page 42
"Individual memberships in any professional, educational, or community organizations or associations shall be at the personal expense of the individual applying for membership. Memberships in the name of the school may be approved by the principal, in accordance with the current version of Reg. 5115. When institutional memberships are in conjunction with personal memberships, only the additional cost of the institutional membership may be paid from school activity funds."
So, what about the Rotary club memberships/fees/expenses, the $536 fee per principal for Virginia Association of Secondary School Principals and the associated conferences, these local principals' associations, etc.?
More to argue about.
Reg 5810-page 42
"Individual memberships in any professional, educational, or community organizations or associations shall be at the personal expense of the individual applying for membership. Memberships in the name of the school may be approved by the principal, in accordance with the current version of Reg. 5115. When institutional memberships are in conjunction with personal memberships, only the additional cost of the institutional membership may be paid from school activity funds."
So, what about the Rotary club memberships/fees/expenses, the $536 fee per principal for Virginia Association of Secondary School Principals and the associated conferences, these local principals' associations, etc.?
More to argue about.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-Edison
()
Date: September 23, 2014 03:21PM
Lunch for 230 at Edison. $18 a person.
Thank you for your hard work. Really. I am just pointing out what lunch for 230 looks like. There are lots and lots of these at other schools, also.
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Thank you for your hard work. Really. I am just pointing out what lunch for 230 looks like. There are lots and lots of these at other schools, also.
Attachments:
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Posted by:
babs
()
Date: September 23, 2014 04:20PM
Barbara Brown- you can dish it but you can't take it. Still waiting for you to answer the 3 questions?
Have you ever FOIA your bosses at Reston Hospital?
Have you ever been given a t-shirt or free meal?
Is your life that empty that you spend time harrassing civil servants? Not enough attention from your kids or husba
Have you ever FOIA your bosses at Reston Hospital?
Have you ever been given a t-shirt or free meal?
Is your life that empty that you spend time harrassing civil servants? Not enough attention from your kids or husba
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-Madison
()
Date: September 23, 2014 05:05PM
Now we have an example of an EOY luncheon for the entire staff at $15 a person including a $195 tip.
Something about Sophomore Class College Planning Night necessitated an evening trip to Bazin's on Church in Vienna. Dinner for 5 at $45 a person. Our public dollars at work. Lovely place.
I don't know why 300 baby bibs were needed but I had to see it to believe it.
Attachments:
Something about Sophomore Class College Planning Night necessitated an evening trip to Bazin's on Church in Vienna. Dinner for 5 at $45 a person. Our public dollars at work. Lovely place.
I don't know why 300 baby bibs were needed but I had to see it to believe it.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 23, 2014 05:07PM
^^^^^. Typo. 30 baby bibs, not 300. Still don't know why.
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Posted by:
BabyBibs
()
Date: September 23, 2014 07:01PM
I heard the baby bibs which have the school mascot on it are given to staff who have babies as a gift. I cannot believe this selfish school is using vending machine and parking lot money to do such an irresponsible thing like give its staff who have newborns a baby bib as a gift!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
a question
()
Date: September 23, 2014 07:08PM
Is it just possible that they purchase these items for fundraising? 30 bibs seems a lot for staff.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 23, 2014 08:36PM
^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh there's lots bigger fish in this sea than adorable baby bibs. Trust me. I thought maybe it was a fundraiser, also. I don't know. Cute idea.
I am pressing on with the restaurant tour sampler and maybe a couple other things...
I have Sakura, Clyde's, more Maggiano's, McCormick and Schmick, and some others. Problem I am seeing is no names and no itemized receipts and illegible receipts on some of this stuff. I have asked for some clarifications.
Oh there's lots bigger fish in this sea than adorable baby bibs. Trust me. I thought maybe it was a fundraiser, also. I don't know. Cute idea.
I am pressing on with the restaurant tour sampler and maybe a couple other things...
I have Sakura, Clyde's, more Maggiano's, McCormick and Schmick, and some others. Problem I am seeing is no names and no itemized receipts and illegible receipts on some of this stuff. I have asked for some clarifications.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
today
()
Date: September 23, 2014 09:51PM
Today I got to school at 7:10am. I finished the tasks I considered critical and left at 6:15pm. I've done about 90 minutes of non-critical school work since getting home tonight. No gifts or free meals were received today.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
tomorrow
()
Date: September 24, 2014 04:21PM
today Wrote:
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> Today I got to school at 7:10am. I finished the
> tasks I considered critical and left at 6:15pm.
> I've done about 90 minutes of non-critical school
> work since getting home tonight. No gifts or free
> meals were received today.
Well I have been busting a gut and I come here and read about how public employees are going to restaurants and staying at hotels I can only dream about, and I am paying for it. No sympathy.
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> Today I got to school at 7:10am. I finished the
> tasks I considered critical and left at 6:15pm.
> I've done about 90 minutes of non-critical school
> work since getting home tonight. No gifts or free
> meals were received today.
Well I have been busting a gut and I come here and read about how public employees are going to restaurants and staying at hotels I can only dream about, and I am paying for it. No sympathy.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-FairfaxHS
()
Date: September 24, 2014 05:51PM
Let's see.
These were really nice records. Thank you, Fairfax. Names, itemized receipts, legible documents, etc.
IC retreat at Old Town Hall, Coyote Grill about $18 a person with take home boxes.
Admin Assistants lunch at Artie's about $29 a person. Thank you Admin Assistants.
Admin Dinner at Maggiano's about $42 a person. Happy Holidays, Administrators.
Attachments:
These were really nice records. Thank you, Fairfax. Names, itemized receipts, legible documents, etc.
IC retreat at Old Town Hall, Coyote Grill about $18 a person with take home boxes.
Admin Assistants lunch at Artie's about $29 a person. Thank you Admin Assistants.
Admin Dinner at Maggiano's about $42 a person. Happy Holidays, Administrators.
Attachments:
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
today
()
Date: September 24, 2014 05:56PM
tomorrow Wrote:
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> today Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Today I got to school at 7:10am. I finished the
> > tasks I considered critical and left at 6:15pm.
> > I've done about 90 minutes of non-critical
> school
> > work since getting home tonight. No gifts or
> free
> > meals were received today.
>
> Well I have been busting a gut and I come here and
> read about how public employees are going to
> restaurants and staying at hotels I can only dream
> about, and I am paying for it. No sympathy.
No sympathy asked for. You can keep it, along with the funds that you and taxpayers don't have to contribute toward all the time that is donated by teachers. The busting my gut receives is worth it. I choose to do it each day.
Today I got to school at 7:15am. I finished the tasks I considered critical and left at 5:30pm. I have about an hour's worth of work planned for later this evening. No gifts or free meals were received today.
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> today Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Today I got to school at 7:10am. I finished the
> > tasks I considered critical and left at 6:15pm.
> > I've done about 90 minutes of non-critical
> school
> > work since getting home tonight. No gifts or
> free
> > meals were received today.
>
> Well I have been busting a gut and I come here and
> read about how public employees are going to
> restaurants and staying at hotels I can only dream
> about, and I am paying for it. No sympathy.
No sympathy asked for. You can keep it, along with the funds that you and taxpayers don't have to contribute toward all the time that is donated by teachers. The busting my gut receives is worth it. I choose to do it each day.
Today I got to school at 7:15am. I finished the tasks I considered critical and left at 5:30pm. I have about an hour's worth of work planned for later this evening. No gifts or free meals were received today.
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Posted by:
Today 2
()
Date: September 24, 2014 06:43PM
Three college letters of recommendation written this week outside of school hours at no extra charge to anyone and with the great hope they make a difference for those students. I even used my own stamps - oh the injustice! But hey, we are ALL greedy freeloaders, right?
Don't worry, I'm not expecting donuts tomorrow and I'm busy finding my brown bag.
Don't worry, I'm not expecting donuts tomorrow and I'm busy finding my brown bag.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
free stuff so far
()
Date: September 24, 2014 06:56PM
So far this year I've gotten a Kashi bar, for which I do not know the financial origins.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Horrible!!!
()
Date: September 24, 2014 07:19PM
This is terrible. Kashi is WAY too high end. Who do you think you are? A Quaker or Nature Valley bar is much cheaper.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
a question
()
Date: September 24, 2014 07:36PM
If I bike to work, is it permissible to use the shower at school? Perhaps FCPS needs a regulation on fees for water usage by employees, especially if the school launders the towel with detergent.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
would like to come clean
()
Date: September 24, 2014 08:35PM
I sometimes skim the washpo website during the last moments of my 25 minute lunch if I finish catching up on parent emails. I'll switch to doing this on my phone with only 4g enabled so I don't drain any FCPS (taxpayer-funded) bandwidth.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
but how many squares?
()
Date: September 24, 2014 08:57PM
What I really want to know is how many squares of TP did you use today? I have reports that say some people use more than two per visit to the restroom and some people might use the restroom more than once a day. I think teachers should bring their own rolls, I mean really.....why should the tax payers pay for that kind of luxury.... OR just use the bathroom at home the way the rest of us do.
We need to know.... some people are using way too many squares. This abuse must end. It must be wiped away.
We need to know.... some people are using way too many squares. This abuse must end. It must be wiped away.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the fax
()
Date: September 24, 2014 09:18PM
but how many squares? Wrote:
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> What I really want to know is how many squares of
> TP did you use today? I have reports that say some
> people use more than two per visit to the restroom
> and some people might use the restroom more than
> once a day. I think teachers should bring their
> own rolls, I mean really.....why should the tax
> payers pay for that kind of luxury.... OR just use
> the bathroom at home the way the rest of us do.
>
> We need to know.... some people are using way too
> many squares. This abuse must end. It must be
> wiped away.
FCPS allocates two squares for a #1. If you are dealt the last square of a roll, it is ok to take your squares from a fresh roll and not count the depleted roll. Teachers are granted one #2 restroom usage for every six workdays. If you have an existing condition, such as Chipotle consumption, you can apply for the $11.50/mileage option to have your extended deposit reimbursed.
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> What I really want to know is how many squares of
> TP did you use today? I have reports that say some
> people use more than two per visit to the restroom
> and some people might use the restroom more than
> once a day. I think teachers should bring their
> own rolls, I mean really.....why should the tax
> payers pay for that kind of luxury.... OR just use
> the bathroom at home the way the rest of us do.
>
> We need to know.... some people are using way too
> many squares. This abuse must end. It must be
> wiped away.
FCPS allocates two squares for a #1. If you are dealt the last square of a roll, it is ok to take your squares from a fresh roll and not count the depleted roll. Teachers are granted one #2 restroom usage for every six workdays. If you have an existing condition, such as Chipotle consumption, you can apply for the $11.50/mileage option to have your extended deposit reimbursed.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
by the regs
()
Date: September 24, 2014 09:20PM
^^^^^Chipotle consumption at Back to School Night, per the regulation, is not eligible for $11.50/mileage.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
24/7/365
()
Date: September 24, 2014 10:12PM
I agree with Tomorrow, Today. I arrived on this thread fairly recently, but the reports tell very clearly what has been going on.
It looks like the administrators have been the problem with the high-end restaurants and the overnight meetings. Unfortuntately, it affects everybody. When the bosses are spending that much money that recklessly, something isn't right. It is highly unethical. It is very sad that they were spending so much and the teachers saw so little of it. These seem to be very selfish and unrealistic decisions on their part. It looks like a lot of the administrators tried to make up for a difficult situation by also going totally overboard with some of the things for staff, which is not a sustainable thing to do in the long run. Hopefully they will get their priorities straight and some of the things like free golf for the principals and the hotels and stuff will disappear. It would be nice if they could now make sure the teachers had what they needed for their classes instead of telling them they don't have any money and having surf and turf be their (the administrators) major priority and it would be nice if people could focus on maintaining services for the kids.
It looks like the administrators have been the problem with the high-end restaurants and the overnight meetings. Unfortuntately, it affects everybody. When the bosses are spending that much money that recklessly, something isn't right. It is highly unethical. It is very sad that they were spending so much and the teachers saw so little of it. These seem to be very selfish and unrealistic decisions on their part. It looks like a lot of the administrators tried to make up for a difficult situation by also going totally overboard with some of the things for staff, which is not a sustainable thing to do in the long run. Hopefully they will get their priorities straight and some of the things like free golf for the principals and the hotels and stuff will disappear. It would be nice if they could now make sure the teachers had what they needed for their classes instead of telling them they don't have any money and having surf and turf be their (the administrators) major priority and it would be nice if people could focus on maintaining services for the kids.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
quit mooching
()
Date: September 24, 2014 10:24PM
a question Wrote:
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> If I bike to work, is it permissible to use the
> shower at school? Perhaps FCPS needs a regulation
> on fees for water usage by employees, especially
> if the school launders the towel with detergent.
Pack some deodorant. I don't have to pay for your hygiene!
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> If I bike to work, is it permissible to use the
> shower at school? Perhaps FCPS needs a regulation
> on fees for water usage by employees, especially
> if the school launders the towel with detergent.
Pack some deodorant. I don't have to pay for your hygiene!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
CVS is cheap
()
Date: September 24, 2014 10:31PM
Why is the PTA at my child's school paying for flu vaccines for the staff? That money could be going toward classroom needs.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
DON'T VACCINATE
()
Date: September 24, 2014 10:38PM
Don't vaccinate! It makes autism!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Private sector reality
()
Date: September 24, 2014 11:34PM
Lets see arrived at work at 800 and bought my own breakfast. Had lunch at 300 due to Many calls and left at 800 pm.
No overtime or free meals.
Do I get a friggin medal?
No overtime or free meals.
Do I get a friggin medal?
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Posted by:
NO!!!
()
Date: September 25, 2014 06:28AM
Private sector reality Wrote:
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> Lets see arrived at work at 800 and bought my own
> breakfast. Had lunch at 300 due to Many calls and
> left at 800 pm.
>
> No overtime or free meals.
>
> Do I get a friggin medal?
No, you do not get a friggin medal. We've made it clear that any type of gift/award/freebie is unacceptable.
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> Lets see arrived at work at 800 and bought my own
> breakfast. Had lunch at 300 due to Many calls and
> left at 800 pm.
>
> No overtime or free meals.
>
> Do I get a friggin medal?
No, you do not get a friggin medal. We've made it clear that any type of gift/award/freebie is unacceptable.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
However
()
Date: September 25, 2014 06:31AM
Private sector reality Wrote:
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> Lets see arrived at work at 800 and bought my own
> breakfast. Had lunch at 300 due to Many calls and
> left at 800 pm.
>
> No overtime or free meals.
>
> Do I get a friggin medal?
However, if you do this most days of the week, you do have statistics that should be persuasive for a salary increase (or departure for a different job).
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> Lets see arrived at work at 800 and bought my own
> breakfast. Had lunch at 300 due to Many calls and
> left at 800 pm.
>
> No overtime or free meals.
>
> Do I get a friggin medal?
However, if you do this most days of the week, you do have statistics that should be persuasive for a salary increase (or departure for a different job).
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
unsympathetic taxpayer
()
Date: September 25, 2014 06:49AM
If working conditions are so tough in FCPS, why don't you take some of the money being spent on principals playing golf and eating at pricy restaurants and spend it on facilities
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
WellnessCenter
()
Date: September 25, 2014 08:00AM
CVS is cheap Wrote:
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> Why is the PTA at my child's school paying for flu
> vaccines for the staff? That money could be going
> toward classroom needs.
Flu shots? That should be covered under the health plan. What? That PTA is very gullible.
So you think the school system/taxpayers should provide thousands of staff with towel service and breakfast? In addition to the massages, filet mignon, beach towels and beach bags, crystal...I pack a towel in my gym bag. I work in a federal facility.
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> Why is the PTA at my child's school paying for flu
> vaccines for the staff? That money could be going
> toward classroom needs.
Flu shots? That should be covered under the health plan. What? That PTA is very gullible.
So you think the school system/taxpayers should provide thousands of staff with towel service and breakfast? In addition to the massages, filet mignon, beach towels and beach bags, crystal...I pack a towel in my gym bag. I work in a federal facility.
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Posted by:
something for nothing
()
Date: September 25, 2014 08:21AM
Private sector reality Wrote:
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> Lets see arrived at work at 800 and bought my own
> breakfast. Had lunch at 300 due to Many calls and
> left at 800 pm.
>
> No overtime or free meals.
>
> Do I get a friggin medal?
If you ever mentioned working weekends, holidays, overtime to a teacher, they would faint. Those who have never worked in the real world cant even begin to understand those concepts. At my kids school, several refused to even work back to school night. Go to your local high school during the last period of the day and observe the exodus during the coveted "planning period" Work to the rule would be ok, just work when you are getting paid to do so.
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> Lets see arrived at work at 800 and bought my own
> breakfast. Had lunch at 300 due to Many calls and
> left at 800 pm.
>
> No overtime or free meals.
>
> Do I get a friggin medal?
If you ever mentioned working weekends, holidays, overtime to a teacher, they would faint. Those who have never worked in the real world cant even begin to understand those concepts. At my kids school, several refused to even work back to school night. Go to your local high school during the last period of the day and observe the exodus during the coveted "planning period" Work to the rule would be ok, just work when you are getting paid to do so.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
kGVDM
()
Date: September 25, 2014 09:30AM
the facts-FairfaxHS Wrote:
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> Let's see.
> These were really nice records. Thank you,
> Fairfax. Names, itemized receipts, legible
> documents, etc.
>
> IC retreat at Old Town Hall, Coyote Grill about
> $18 a person with take home boxes.
>
> Admin Assistants lunch at Artie's about $29 a
> person. Thank you Admin Assistants.
>
> Admin Dinner at Maggiano's about $42 a person.
> Happy Holidays, Administrators.
How does a $2.4B "world class" organization get away with handwritten anything? If this stuff was automated and required approvals, it might not ever get spent.
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> Let's see.
> These were really nice records. Thank you,
> Fairfax. Names, itemized receipts, legible
> documents, etc.
>
> IC retreat at Old Town Hall, Coyote Grill about
> $18 a person with take home boxes.
>
> Admin Assistants lunch at Artie's about $29 a
> person. Thank you Admin Assistants.
>
> Admin Dinner at Maggiano's about $42 a person.
> Happy Holidays, Administrators.
How does a $2.4B "world class" organization get away with handwritten anything? If this stuff was automated and required approvals, it might not ever get spent.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 25, 2014 01:24PM
^^^I am indeed finding that clarity and consistency of records is a huge problem. I will take handwritten records over no records any day. It looks like the principals are the approvers on the PO's, which means if they think lobster is indicated, they are all set. There has to be a better way to monitor whether people are taking county credit cards and heading out on the town than ME pulling records. This has been a very interesting adventure. The principals are ultimately responsible for whatever goes on the cards. So, if runs to the deli and Panera and Starbucks (yes, I saw Starbucks-no idea what they were buying) are considered appropriate, they can charge it up. It is then between the principal, the Superintendent, the School Board and their various auditors. My personal idea is to say no restaurants on the cards, period. If there is an occasional group meal, they can write a check or do a carefully approved charge. There really shouldn't be that many. That would put the brakes on pretty fast. But then there are the Giant runs, Costco runs, Weggie's, etc.
Can somebody explain to me why Sophomore College Planning night warrants a trip to Bazin's? I am not seeing this. If anything, it is an $11.50 or mileage situation.
Is anybody else having trouble opening the attachments? They were working fine until yesterday when FFU had a huge problem that messed with the system for hours.
Can somebody explain to me why Sophomore College Planning night warrants a trip to Bazin's? I am not seeing this. If anything, it is an $11.50 or mileage situation.
Is anybody else having trouble opening the attachments? They were working fine until yesterday when FFU had a huge problem that messed with the system for hours.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
lkjhf
()
Date: September 25, 2014 02:03PM
unsympathetic taxpayer Wrote:
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> If working conditions are so tough in FCPS, why
> don't you take some of the money being spent on
> principals playing golf and eating at pricy
> restaurants and spend it on facilities
I think that is the whole idea.
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> If working conditions are so tough in FCPS, why
> don't you take some of the money being spent on
> principals playing golf and eating at pricy
> restaurants and spend it on facilities
I think that is the whole idea.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
beancounter
()
Date: September 25, 2014 03:59PM
lkjhf Wrote:
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> unsympathetic taxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If working conditions are so tough in FCPS, why
> > don't you take some of the money being spent on
> > principals playing golf and eating at pricy
> > restaurants and spend it on facilities
>
>
> I think that is the whole idea.
yes. if you skip one prime rib dinner at $75 each, you can buy at least 100 rolls of toilet paper, probably more. a lot more productive.
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> unsympathetic taxpayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If working conditions are so tough in FCPS, why
> > don't you take some of the money being spent on
> > principals playing golf and eating at pricy
> > restaurants and spend it on facilities
>
>
> I think that is the whole idea.
yes. if you skip one prime rib dinner at $75 each, you can buy at least 100 rolls of toilet paper, probably more. a lot more productive.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
zxcv^&(
()
Date: September 25, 2014 04:56PM
CVS is cheap Wrote:
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> Why is the PTA at my child's school paying for flu
> vaccines for the staff? That money could be going
> toward classroom needs.
This is frequently totally or at least partially covered by the preventive care portion of a health plan. Why is a parent group shouldering the expense of something like this? That money SHOULD be going for classroom needs. What school is this? Who is handling the administrative work, the screening process required, etc. You don't just hand out vaccines like lollipops. Who is actually giving the shots?
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> Why is the PTA at my child's school paying for flu
> vaccines for the staff? That money could be going
> toward classroom needs.
This is frequently totally or at least partially covered by the preventive care portion of a health plan. Why is a parent group shouldering the expense of something like this? That money SHOULD be going for classroom needs. What school is this? Who is handling the administrative work, the screening process required, etc. You don't just hand out vaccines like lollipops. Who is actually giving the shots?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
fwte
()
Date: September 26, 2014 06:19AM
zxcv^&( Wrote:
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> CVS is cheap Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is the PTA at my child's school paying for
> flu
> > vaccines for the staff? That money could be
> going
> > toward classroom needs.
>
>
>
> This is frequently totally or at least partially
> covered by the preventive care portion of a health
> plan. Why is a parent group shouldering the
> expense of something like this? That money SHOULD
> be going for classroom needs. What school is this?
> Who is handling the administrative work, the
> screening process required, etc. You don't just
> hand out vaccines like lollipops. Who is actually
> giving the shots?
Can the facts do some digging on this one?
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> CVS is cheap Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is the PTA at my child's school paying for
> flu
> > vaccines for the staff? That money could be
> going
> > toward classroom needs.
>
>
>
> This is frequently totally or at least partially
> covered by the preventive care portion of a health
> plan. Why is a parent group shouldering the
> expense of something like this? That money SHOULD
> be going for classroom needs. What school is this?
> Who is handling the administrative work, the
> screening process required, etc. You don't just
> hand out vaccines like lollipops. Who is actually
> giving the shots?
Can the facts do some digging on this one?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Influenza
()
Date: September 26, 2014 06:37AM
zxcv^&( Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> CVS is cheap Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is the PTA at my child's school paying for
> flu
> > vaccines for the staff? That money could be
> going
> > toward classroom needs.
>
>
>
> This is frequently totally or at least partially
> covered by the preventive care portion of a health
> plan. Why is a parent group shouldering the
> expense of something like this? That money SHOULD
> be going for classroom needs. What school is this?
> Who is handling the administrative work, the
> screening process required, etc. You don't just
> hand out vaccines like lollipops. Who is actually
> giving the shots?
Here's the problem with FFU. Just because someone writes something doesn't make it true. FCPS provides onsite flu shot programs across the system so staff can stay healthy when sick children go to school. No cost to PTAs. Healthy staff make it easier to work 60 hour weeks.
By the way. I hope none of the posters are employees of government contractors - we wouldn't want our tax dollars going to waste.
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> CVS is cheap Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is the PTA at my child's school paying for
> flu
> > vaccines for the staff? That money could be
> going
> > toward classroom needs.
>
>
>
> This is frequently totally or at least partially
> covered by the preventive care portion of a health
> plan. Why is a parent group shouldering the
> expense of something like this? That money SHOULD
> be going for classroom needs. What school is this?
> Who is handling the administrative work, the
> screening process required, etc. You don't just
> hand out vaccines like lollipops. Who is actually
> giving the shots?
Here's the problem with FFU. Just because someone writes something doesn't make it true. FCPS provides onsite flu shot programs across the system so staff can stay healthy when sick children go to school. No cost to PTAs. Healthy staff make it easier to work 60 hour weeks.
By the way. I hope none of the posters are employees of government contractors - we wouldn't want our tax dollars going to waste.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-WSHS
()
Date: September 26, 2014 09:17AM
A brief look at WSHS. Glory Days, "Admin Team Lunch". No names. No stated purpose for using their employer's credit card to buy themselves lunch. I saw dozens of these at numerous other schools (maybe hundreds).
Prom Night at Sakura. For the Admin Team. No names. Apparently the ADULTS get dressed up and go out to a nice dinner as well as the KIDS. No itemized receipt. I have asked for it. Somehow, I think it is not to be found. This looks like an $11.50 or mileage kind of night, unfortunately. This is a work night for them.
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Prom Night at Sakura. For the Admin Team. No names. Apparently the ADULTS get dressed up and go out to a nice dinner as well as the KIDS. No itemized receipt. I have asked for it. Somehow, I think it is not to be found. This looks like an $11.50 or mileage kind of night, unfortunately. This is a work night for them.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 26, 2014 11:16AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This isn't the only school where I found this. There was another one that had dinner at Westwood Country Club. I would bet there are probably more. Don't know the answer to this.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Updates
()
Date: September 26, 2014 05:05PM
Thursday
7-5, and my planning period was even at the end of the school day. I stayed and worked til 5:00 which I guess is "overtime" but don't worry, I didn't faint, I was quite ok. Also, I guess I'm lucky cause I get to work in the real world too having a part time job. Thankfully schools are closed on Holidays so I can work that job too. Clearly, I'm a lazy slug who has no idea what it means that to work hard.
7-5, and my planning period was even at the end of the school day. I stayed and worked til 5:00 which I guess is "overtime" but don't worry, I didn't faint, I was quite ok. Also, I guess I'm lucky cause I get to work in the real world too having a part time job. Thankfully schools are closed on Holidays so I can work that job too. Clearly, I'm a lazy slug who has no idea what it means that to work hard.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
suck it up
()
Date: September 27, 2014 12:46AM
Influenza Wrote:
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> zxcv^&( Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > CVS is cheap Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Why is the PTA at my child's school paying
> for
> > flu
> > > vaccines for the staff? That money could be
> > going
> > > toward classroom needs.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is frequently totally or at least
> partially
> > covered by the preventive care portion of a
> health
> > plan. Why is a parent group shouldering the
> > expense of something like this? That money
> SHOULD
> > be going for classroom needs. What school is
> this?
> > Who is handling the administrative work, the
> > screening process required, etc. You don't just
> > hand out vaccines like lollipops. Who is
> actually
> > giving the shots?
>
> Here's the problem with FFU. Just because someone
> writes something doesn't make it true. FCPS
> provides onsite flu shot programs across the
> system so staff can stay healthy when sick
> children go to school. No cost to PTAs. Healthy
> staff make it easier to work 60 hour weeks.
>
> By the way. I hope none of the posters are
> employees of government contractors - we wouldn't
> want our tax dollars going to waste.
Teachers need to suck it up and pay for this themselves. If they get sick, they can use allotted sick days. Parents shouldn't be paying for vaccines so teachers can bank all their sick days.
-------------------------------------------------------
> zxcv^&( Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > CVS is cheap Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Why is the PTA at my child's school paying
> for
> > flu
> > > vaccines for the staff? That money could be
> > going
> > > toward classroom needs.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is frequently totally or at least
> partially
> > covered by the preventive care portion of a
> health
> > plan. Why is a parent group shouldering the
> > expense of something like this? That money
> SHOULD
> > be going for classroom needs. What school is
> this?
> > Who is handling the administrative work, the
> > screening process required, etc. You don't just
> > hand out vaccines like lollipops. Who is
> actually
> > giving the shots?
>
> Here's the problem with FFU. Just because someone
> writes something doesn't make it true. FCPS
> provides onsite flu shot programs across the
> system so staff can stay healthy when sick
> children go to school. No cost to PTAs. Healthy
> staff make it easier to work 60 hour weeks.
>
> By the way. I hope none of the posters are
> employees of government contractors - we wouldn't
> want our tax dollars going to waste.
Teachers need to suck it up and pay for this themselves. If they get sick, they can use allotted sick days. Parents shouldn't be paying for vaccines so teachers can bank all their sick days.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
------------
()
Date: September 27, 2014 08:23AM
I don't think Influenza is making this up, in spite of the snarky remarks. I think they are having flu shot clinics provided by the school system. That is very typical of large organizations like this. It is part of their preventive health care benefit. You can miss up to two weeks of work if you get influenza.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-Herndon
()
Date: September 27, 2014 09:31AM
Admin Assistants Appreciation-we do so appreciate you-really. Clyde's, $18per person. McCormick and Schmick's $40 a person. We do have names and receipts.
PISA meeting (?) Sweetwater $13 a person. Don't know what this is.
The information on the final transaction is basically illegible. Something going on at Clyde's. I have asked for clearer records. I am not holding my breath.
If you aren't scanning in receipts please copy them on a sheet of paper because they fade. These records are supposed to be held and available for 5-6 years.
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PISA meeting (?) Sweetwater $13 a person. Don't know what this is.
The information on the final transaction is basically illegible. Something going on at Clyde's. I have asked for clearer records. I am not holding my breath.
If you aren't scanning in receipts please copy them on a sheet of paper because they fade. These records are supposed to be held and available for 5-6 years.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
cvcvcvc
()
Date: September 27, 2014 10:42AM
Updates Wrote:
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> Thursday
> 7-5, and my planning period was even at the end of
> the school day. I stayed and worked til 5:00
> which I guess is "overtime" but don't worry, I
> didn't faint, I was quite ok. Also, I guess I'm
> lucky cause I get to work in the real world too
> having a part time job. Thankfully schools are
> closed on Holidays so I can work that job too.
> Clearly, I'm a lazy slug who has no idea what it
> means that to work hard.
You are a miserable self-centered whiny-ass who thinks you are entitled to some unrealistic things.
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> Thursday
> 7-5, and my planning period was even at the end of
> the school day. I stayed and worked til 5:00
> which I guess is "overtime" but don't worry, I
> didn't faint, I was quite ok. Also, I guess I'm
> lucky cause I get to work in the real world too
> having a part time job. Thankfully schools are
> closed on Holidays so I can work that job too.
> Clearly, I'm a lazy slug who has no idea what it
> means that to work hard.
You are a miserable self-centered whiny-ass who thinks you are entitled to some unrealistic things.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Not really
()
Date: September 27, 2014 12:55PM
cvcvcvc Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Updates Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thursday
> > 7-5, and my planning period was even at the end
> of
> > the school day. I stayed and worked til 5:00
> > which I guess is "overtime" but don't worry, I
> > didn't faint, I was quite ok. Also, I guess
> I'm
> > lucky cause I get to work in the real world too
> > having a part time job. Thankfully schools are
> > closed on Holidays so I can work that job too.
> > Clearly, I'm a lazy slug who has no idea what
> it
> > means that to work hard.
>
>
> You are a miserable self-centered whiny-ass who
> thinks you are entitled to some unrealistic
> things.
Actually, I'm really quite happy, love my job(s) and work hard. Just pointing out that your generalization about everyone leaving early and not being able to work "in the real world" is not correct.
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> Updates Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thursday
> > 7-5, and my planning period was even at the end
> of
> > the school day. I stayed and worked til 5:00
> > which I guess is "overtime" but don't worry, I
> > didn't faint, I was quite ok. Also, I guess
> I'm
> > lucky cause I get to work in the real world too
> > having a part time job. Thankfully schools are
> > closed on Holidays so I can work that job too.
> > Clearly, I'm a lazy slug who has no idea what
> it
> > means that to work hard.
>
>
> You are a miserable self-centered whiny-ass who
> thinks you are entitled to some unrealistic
> things.
Actually, I'm really quite happy, love my job(s) and work hard. Just pointing out that your generalization about everyone leaving early and not being able to work "in the real world" is not correct.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
BetsyId
()
Date: September 27, 2014 06:19PM
So which principals are getting their hands slapped? I bet the former WSHS principal Mr. Greenfelder is worried right now.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
never fear
()
Date: September 27, 2014 08:50PM
They are probably just circling the wagons and doing damage control. Smokescreen. Scrambling signals. They probably like their $100 dinners just they way they are. Wouldn't you? I don't know how they can sleep at night doing this kind of crap. They have been screwing the citizens and children and taxpayers and they probably don't give a flying fart. Greedy bunch of thieves they are. Utterly pathological. Money magnets. Cash vacuum cleaners.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
disgusting
()
Date: September 28, 2014 12:03AM
all teachers are trash. this is disgusting. why do they think they are entitled to live the good life on our dime?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
***********
()
Date: September 28, 2014 08:30AM
It looks like the problems are with the administrators, NOT the teachers.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Hmmmmmmm
()
Date: September 28, 2014 09:13AM
I think we all agree the big money retreats and admin dinners need to stop, and I think they will. My problem with the facts lady is her disgust with any money spent on teachers and staff. She'll say she loves the teachers, but then immediately(and repeatedly) denounces a school for buying them a shirt, or a lunch. My guess is her response to me will be to make yet another announcement that she really loves and respects the teachers, but the next day we'll see a receipt where a school dared to spend $8/person for a breakfast during teacher appreciation week.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: September 28, 2014 09:37AM
Don't shoot the messenger!!!!!!!!!
I am merely pointing out that I think the amount of money spent on scrambled eggs and all the trimmings for 300 staff members, beach bags and beach towels for 200, clothing for 250, $2000 of flowers, $4000 BBQ's needs to be looked at in terms of sustainability, appropriateness, and in view of existing laws and regulations and standards of ethics. I think some teachers and staff need to do some math on what all this is costing and how realistic this is. 250 of anything (per school) isn't going to come cheap. Reality check. *****I don't know of anybody who works for the government who thinks a $30 restaurant lunch, a $50+ restaurant dinner, flowers, presents, candy, and a full BBQ for 200 twice a year is due them.
The $75-100 dinners and the $600 hotel rooms are pretty obviously a problem. I am sure the administrators love those but who else thinks these are essential to the functioning of government and the "fostering of student success"? Speak up. Let's hear your side!!!!!!!!!!!
It's always easier to spend somebody else's money and it always nice when it is spent on YOU.
I am merely pointing out that I think the amount of money spent on scrambled eggs and all the trimmings for 300 staff members, beach bags and beach towels for 200, clothing for 250, $2000 of flowers, $4000 BBQ's needs to be looked at in terms of sustainability, appropriateness, and in view of existing laws and regulations and standards of ethics. I think some teachers and staff need to do some math on what all this is costing and how realistic this is. 250 of anything (per school) isn't going to come cheap. Reality check. *****I don't know of anybody who works for the government who thinks a $30 restaurant lunch, a $50+ restaurant dinner, flowers, presents, candy, and a full BBQ for 200 twice a year is due them.
The $75-100 dinners and the $600 hotel rooms are pretty obviously a problem. I am sure the administrators love those but who else thinks these are essential to the functioning of government and the "fostering of student success"? Speak up. Let's hear your side!!!!!!!!!!!
It's always easier to spend somebody else's money and it always nice when it is spent on YOU.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-Robinson
()
Date: September 28, 2014 09:52AM
The frustration with records continues.
Page 1-a letter explaining that four Administrators went out to dinner because the school was being given an award. $45 a person. Congratulations. I think maybe this was a mileage or $11.50 kind of night? No itemized receipt!!!!! No names!!!!!
Page 5-illegible.
About $1000 for 34 dozen Whoopie Pies for teacher appreciation. Just how do they find this stuff?
An AP dinner for 7 at $28 a person. The 20 ounce Porterhouse is a remarkable use of public funds. This also sounds like an $11.50 or mileage kind of night. No names.
Page 9-illegible.
A dinner for "wrestling/basketball". No names, specific purpose. The coaches are on a salary supplement and not even eligible for the $11.50 or mileage. Oh well.
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Page 1-a letter explaining that four Administrators went out to dinner because the school was being given an award. $45 a person. Congratulations. I think maybe this was a mileage or $11.50 kind of night? No itemized receipt!!!!! No names!!!!!
Page 5-illegible.
About $1000 for 34 dozen Whoopie Pies for teacher appreciation. Just how do they find this stuff?
An AP dinner for 7 at $28 a person. The 20 ounce Porterhouse is a remarkable use of public funds. This also sounds like an $11.50 or mileage kind of night. No names.
Page 9-illegible.
A dinner for "wrestling/basketball". No names, specific purpose. The coaches are on a salary supplement and not even eligible for the $11.50 or mileage. Oh well.
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Posted by:
SERIOUSLY?
()
Date: September 28, 2014 10:04AM
$181 dollars for a dinner for four administrators? That is outrageous! That principal should be ashamed! This is going on ALL OVER THE COUNTY. It is why there is no money for anything else! It needs to STOP and the administrators spending money so frivolously need to be seriously reprimanded!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-Oakton
()
Date: September 28, 2014 10:31AM
More frustrations with records. Oakton and FCPS have been working on explaining a $350 meal at George's at the Cove and a $600 dinner at Morton's since early September. They have asked for an extension on the extension. I believe George's is in La Jolla. Their website proclaims awards that include "Fodor's/Top 10 Restaurants in the World", "Best Place to Propose", "Top 100 Restaurants in America". Do a search and take a look. We all know about Morton's. This is not looking good for records. You can find these two on the extended ECA report posted earlier.
What I have shows hundreds of dollars of "working lunches" at Artie's for $20-$30 per person, including pecan crusted trout and baby back ribs. A few names. I don't understand why these were necessary. I had a hard time with the PO's.
There is also a whopper of a meal at Capital Grille. About $750. Yes, $750. NO NAMES. I couldn't understand the PO. The receipt is conveniently illegible, but from what we can read looks impressive. I have asked for a clearer receipt.
West Potomac is coming up. I found more massages. This masseuse had a heated chair. I have to do some analysis on these before I post them. I looked up about 20 grand of generic charge card payments. Give me a few days.
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What I have shows hundreds of dollars of "working lunches" at Artie's for $20-$30 per person, including pecan crusted trout and baby back ribs. A few names. I don't understand why these were necessary. I had a hard time with the PO's.
There is also a whopper of a meal at Capital Grille. About $750. Yes, $750. NO NAMES. I couldn't understand the PO. The receipt is conveniently illegible, but from what we can read looks impressive. I have asked for a clearer receipt.
West Potomac is coming up. I found more massages. This masseuse had a heated chair. I have to do some analysis on these before I post them. I looked up about 20 grand of generic charge card payments. Give me a few days.
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Posted by:
calories for hard slog chats
()
Date: September 28, 2014 11:25AM
This kind of stuff reinforces the unbelievable hubris on the part of the administration. I'm sure that while they are eating they are having very professional conversations about helping teachers in the classrooms.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
&&&&&&&
()
Date: September 28, 2014 11:43AM
I believe they can use the school gyms for free. I would assume there is a gym at Gatehouse. They need them desperately.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
online
()
Date: September 28, 2014 12:15PM
its time to get teachers out of education. make things all online so kids can do it all at home. why do we need some moocher babysitting and doing the grading, taking a salary and getting an absurd amount of holidays and summers off. kids would get things done quicker online and then go to football or dance or whatever earlier in the day and have the evening to spend with family.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
wowzer
()
Date: September 28, 2014 12:37PM
As I sit at home on a gorgeous Sunday afternoon willingly writing letters of recommendation for six of my seniors, I say to myself: "I have never been treated to Arties, had a massage, been taken to Mortons or been given anything pricer than a T-shirt." My administration has not gone to La Jolla or New Orleans or Vegas, nor to my knowledge treated themselves to Sweetwater before a school board meeting. I am very happy with my profession and with my employment.Yet, I despair when I read the negative posts on this particular thread implying that all teachers are lazy, worthless, taking the public dime for an easy job and whine, whine, whine. My sarcastic suggestion is that all of us wear habits like the nuns who taught me, take a vow of poverty, work for nothing and offer up for a higher seat in heaven all the crap that we are subject to by members of the public, including those who campaigned for 30 minutes more sleep at the cost of 4.7 million and extending our commutes by up to an hour a day. OK - no more whining as it is so offensive, and back to writing the letters. I love my school, my students and my job, and am appalled at what certain administrators are doing at select schools. As far as I can tell, the existence of this thread and fact checkers investigation will cut out the T-shirts, the candy bars before faculty meetings, and the VERY MODEST retirement trinkets which we have been told must now be funded by our own donations. That is fine. Let's just stop the junkets to pricy restaurants. Administrators should be able to split a check and pay their own way if they want to dine together. I sure hope that all of the copies of the expenditures are landing on Karen Garza's desk as I doubt she reads Fairfax Underground.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
____________
()
Date: September 28, 2014 12:39PM
^^^^^^^^^^^Are you saying we need to do this? I think we just need to get the money and staff out of the restaurants and back into the schools.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
FCPS Parent
()
Date: September 28, 2014 01:02PM
I have bad news Barb, you are not a messenger. You are an anti-FCPS crusader, and this includes your disdain for the teachers receiving any sort of thank you/appreciation treats from the big, bad school administrators. If you were simply a messenger, you would just post your FOIA info. You spew your venom (which certainly is your right), and this voids your status of messenger.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-West Potomac
()
Date: September 28, 2014 02:39PM
This was actually SEATED not HEATED massages. Second glance. Looks like this was just for Admin. Tow hours, $40 tip, $40 set-up fee.
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Posted by:
sheila b
()
Date: September 28, 2014 04:07PM
I think this is the best thread to ever hit the underground. this was a brilliant idea. I love the commentary. I wish the rest of you would STFU.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-West Potomac
()
Date: September 29, 2014 07:31AM
We are just about wrapping up the restaurant tour. Indigo Landing for Admin Support, $35 per person. Mike's American Grill for the Admin Team at $28 per person.
I am sure you realize that the restaurant reports were merely skimming the surface of thousands of entries.
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I am sure you realize that the restaurant reports were merely skimming the surface of thousands of entries.
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Posted by:
$$
()
Date: September 29, 2014 09:00AM
I think we need to set up a GoFund Me account & keep this going.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Bill.N.
()
Date: September 29, 2014 11:37AM
FCPS Parent Wrote:
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> I have bad news Barb, you are not a messenger. You
> are an anti-FCPS crusader, and this includes your
> disdain for the teachers receiving any sort of
> thank you/appreciation treats from the big, bad
> school administrators. If you were simply a
> messenger, you would just post your FOIA info. You
> spew your venom (which certainly is your right),
> and this voids your status of messenger.
I disagree with you Parent.
I see no problem with school principals having a slush fund so that they can provide their employees and volunteers with some of the smaller amenities that employees in the private sector routinely get. The notion that teachers should be expected to brown bag it for staff meetings, or should have to kick in to pay for Dominos pizza for a volunteer appreciation day is ridiculous.
Further I suspect that part of the problem may be limitations on what the money can be spent on.
However the spending patterns that are emerging are showing a great deal of arrogance on the part of those charged with overseeing these funds. I doubt a large amount of these expenditures would have occurred if the principals (or whoever is in charge of these funds) had thought they would become public knowledge. This is where the OP's efforts have been productive.
It should be remembered that each of those dollars that the principal spent were paid for by some kid or some kid's parents for the privilege of parking. If those slush funds did not exist, those parking fees might well be less.
The question I would like to see answered is why slush funding was done this way. Middle and elementary schools have just as legitimate need for some discretionary funding, but could not rely on parking fees. Do these schools not have those types of funds? If so, why don't high schools use the same sources for funds?
-------------------------------------------------------
> I have bad news Barb, you are not a messenger. You
> are an anti-FCPS crusader, and this includes your
> disdain for the teachers receiving any sort of
> thank you/appreciation treats from the big, bad
> school administrators. If you were simply a
> messenger, you would just post your FOIA info. You
> spew your venom (which certainly is your right),
> and this voids your status of messenger.
I disagree with you Parent.
I see no problem with school principals having a slush fund so that they can provide their employees and volunteers with some of the smaller amenities that employees in the private sector routinely get. The notion that teachers should be expected to brown bag it for staff meetings, or should have to kick in to pay for Dominos pizza for a volunteer appreciation day is ridiculous.
Further I suspect that part of the problem may be limitations on what the money can be spent on.
However the spending patterns that are emerging are showing a great deal of arrogance on the part of those charged with overseeing these funds. I doubt a large amount of these expenditures would have occurred if the principals (or whoever is in charge of these funds) had thought they would become public knowledge. This is where the OP's efforts have been productive.
It should be remembered that each of those dollars that the principal spent were paid for by some kid or some kid's parents for the privilege of parking. If those slush funds did not exist, those parking fees might well be less.
The question I would like to see answered is why slush funding was done this way. Middle and elementary schools have just as legitimate need for some discretionary funding, but could not rely on parking fees. Do these schools not have those types of funds? If so, why don't high schools use the same sources for funds?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
good point
()
Date: September 29, 2014 11:50AM
Bill N makes good points. Think the public should know that more than parking fees go into the accounts. I think a portion of monopole fees, picture commissions and some vending machine profits go into it as well, but Fact Checker probably knows that and can repeat it for those late to the thread. Parents should also know that PTSAs in elementary schools have much more funding to direct to teacher appreciation and to classroom amenities. PTSA embership goes down dramatically for HS. A large HS could have just 400 members for an enrollment of over 2000. The superintendent and the school board must acknowledge the out of control spending that SOME administrative teams have been enjoying. Some of the schools listed routinely run out of copy paper! And do not have enough $ for supplemental texts. What bad modeling is being displayed by those enjoying luxury when teachers and other employees are not living the luxe life. And for the record, at many schools teachers contribute to a custodian lunch in recogniton of their hard work. We do take care of one another.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Whats for lunch today?
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Date: September 29, 2014 11:52AM
Teacher workday today, big day for local catering folks. Just finished my brown bag but you're welcome , lunch is on the taxpayers today.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Wrong, Wrong
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Date: September 29, 2014 01:18PM
Ummmm, I ate out of a bag today - a plastic one to be specific that included a turkey sandwhich prepared at my home and I prefer Miracle Whip to Mayo. So, again wrong with the generalizations.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
must be a title 1
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Date: September 29, 2014 03:24PM
Your principal is a tightwad. The school I worked at the very least had Subway for everyone and many times a red, hot,and blue lunch. Oh and they brought in the ice cream folks too for desert.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Not for us
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Date: September 29, 2014 04:00PM
My large Vienna school provided no food today (no surprise, we usually only get food from the PTA about twice a year, and provided by the school at Curriculum Night for next year's incoming students).
Also, on today's Strategic Planning Day, I actually had less planning time than on a normal school day because of all the required meetings and trainings today. Fun times!
Also, on today's Strategic Planning Day, I actually had less planning time than on a normal school day because of all the required meetings and trainings today. Fun times!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
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Date: September 29, 2014 05:01PM
Bill N. brings up some good points, as usual. However, it is very typical in the government sector to have brown bag meetings. I went to a lot of them in a federal facility. Or we brought in baked goods from home. I know several people who work at the federal level and as civilian contractors, both at a senior level. I have never heard tales of this kind of publicly funded meals. They are also very surprised at this. They do potlucks, brown bags, and Dutch treat. The local government is not obligated to provide meals and food for staff except for the $11.50 for off-hours meals if you don't receive a salary supplement. A spread from Corner Bakery or Panera for your weekly morning or afternoon collaboration is not supposed to be the norm. This isn't the private sector so you need to quit comparing it to that. Apples and oranges.
In the new guidelines a small amount of awards and treats are allowed. There is a cap. Light refreshments are also allowed. This is very vague. These are very closely watched in many federal circles. There is a LOT of waste in government but they sure don't want to be obviously feeding huge groups of people, etc.
I will post what the new slush fund guidelines are. They have also been authorized to use appropriated funds to a limited extent for some staff treats. There is much work to be done with oversight on this. Gifts and flowers have supposed to have been coming from a staff sunshine fund for many years now. That is in black and white in the regulations.
The slush fund consists of a portion of parking pass money, community use fees, retained tuition, some interest, vending machine commission/profits, maybe a couple of other things. Monopole income used to be included. That has been moved to an Administrative fund. A portion of retained lost textbook fees used to be allowed in this account, but that will be kept separate with the goal of the money to be used to buy textbooks instead of donuts. The middle and elementary schools don't have parking passes, but they rent out their buildings all the time and have vending machines, lost textbooks, and some kids who pay tuition. So, they still potentially have thousands available to them.
In the new guidelines a small amount of awards and treats are allowed. There is a cap. Light refreshments are also allowed. This is very vague. These are very closely watched in many federal circles. There is a LOT of waste in government but they sure don't want to be obviously feeding huge groups of people, etc.
I will post what the new slush fund guidelines are. They have also been authorized to use appropriated funds to a limited extent for some staff treats. There is much work to be done with oversight on this. Gifts and flowers have supposed to have been coming from a staff sunshine fund for many years now. That is in black and white in the regulations.
The slush fund consists of a portion of parking pass money, community use fees, retained tuition, some interest, vending machine commission/profits, maybe a couple of other things. Monopole income used to be included. That has been moved to an Administrative fund. A portion of retained lost textbook fees used to be allowed in this account, but that will be kept separate with the goal of the money to be used to buy textbooks instead of donuts. The middle and elementary schools don't have parking passes, but they rent out their buildings all the time and have vending machines, lost textbooks, and some kids who pay tuition. So, they still potentially have thousands available to them.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
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Date: September 29, 2014 05:13PM
Hopefully Adobe reader is going to cooperate.
For those who skimmed over these, I am again posting this information.
The School Finance Handbook is brand new Sept. 1. Version 1.0. It brings together a lot of regulations. Page 70 is regarding incidentals. The ECA/slush fund is on page 38. Use of p-cards is on page 180.
Reg. 5810 is from 2005. Yes, it is almost 10 years old. page 34-35 covers the ECA/slush fund. Gifts are covered on page 37.
Attachments:
![R5810[1].pdf](http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=158524,filename=R5810_1_.pdf "R5810[1].pdf")
For those who skimmed over these, I am again posting this information.
The School Finance Handbook is brand new Sept. 1. Version 1.0. It brings together a lot of regulations. Page 70 is regarding incidentals. The ECA/slush fund is on page 38. Use of p-cards is on page 180.
Reg. 5810 is from 2005. Yes, it is almost 10 years old. page 34-35 covers the ECA/slush fund. Gifts are covered on page 37.
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Posted by:
the facts
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Date: September 29, 2014 05:16PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ECA is on PAGE 138, NOT 38 in the new school finance handbook.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
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Date: September 29, 2014 05:25PM
I am presenting the current notice for salary supplements. The coaches, music teachers, yearbook adviser, etc. all get salary supplements. So, no $11.50 for them for things that involve these duties.
I also have 5310 here (again) showing the local travel regulations. Also, non-local. GSA per diem is the plan for non-local travel. Local is $11.50 or mileage for things outside of regular duty hours like a meeting, something other than Back to School Night. I don't see that Bazin's, etc. is the plan for these.
Attachments:
![R5310[1].pdf](http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=158526,filename=R5310_1_.pdf "R5310[1].pdf")
I also have 5310 here (again) showing the local travel regulations. Also, non-local. GSA per diem is the plan for non-local travel. Local is $11.50 or mileage for things outside of regular duty hours like a meeting, something other than Back to School Night. I don't see that Bazin's, etc. is the plan for these.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
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Date: September 29, 2014 06:59PM
must be a title 1 Wrote:
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> Your principal is a tightwad. The school I worked
> at the very least had Subway for everyone and
> many times a red, hot,and blue lunch. Oh and they
> brought in the ice cream folks too for desert.
Trust me, I saw it all. The $1800 ice cream bills, the hundreds of smoothies, the thousands dropped at BBQ joints, the delis, the sandwich shops, Panera, Corner Bakery, you name it. At least a quarter of a million dollars, probably more. And the restaurant list is amazing. Sad, really.
I took in large, expensive platters to help out for special teacher/staff functions in high school, particularly because I was told it was hard to get high school parents to donate things like that for the staff. Little did I know they were taking my parking pass money and hitting the restaurants all over town on a very regular basis. Yeh.
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> Your principal is a tightwad. The school I worked
> at the very least had Subway for everyone and
> many times a red, hot,and blue lunch. Oh and they
> brought in the ice cream folks too for desert.
Trust me, I saw it all. The $1800 ice cream bills, the hundreds of smoothies, the thousands dropped at BBQ joints, the delis, the sandwich shops, Panera, Corner Bakery, you name it. At least a quarter of a million dollars, probably more. And the restaurant list is amazing. Sad, really.
I took in large, expensive platters to help out for special teacher/staff functions in high school, particularly because I was told it was hard to get high school parents to donate things like that for the staff. Little did I know they were taking my parking pass money and hitting the restaurants all over town on a very regular basis. Yeh.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
chipotle manager
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Date: September 29, 2014 07:17PM
Whats for lunch today? Wrote:
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> Teacher workday today, big day for local catering
> folks. Just finished my brown bag but you're
> welcome , lunch is on the taxpayers today.
I have always looked forward to Teacher Workdays, etc. Brought in extra staff.
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> Teacher workday today, big day for local catering
> folks. Just finished my brown bag but you're
> welcome , lunch is on the taxpayers today.
I have always looked forward to Teacher Workdays, etc. Brought in extra staff.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
jenny craig
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Date: September 29, 2014 07:41PM
the facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> must be a title 1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your principal is a tightwad. The school I
> worked
> > at the very least had Subway for everyone
> and
> > many times a red, hot,and blue lunch. Oh and
> they
> > brought in the ice cream folks too for desert.
>
>
>
> Trust me, I saw it all. The $1800 ice cream bills,
> the hundreds of smoothies, the thousands dropped
> at BBQ joints, the delis, the sandwich shops,
> Panera, Corner Bakery, you name it. At least a
> quarter of a million dollars, probably more. And
> the restaurant list is amazing. Sad, really.
>
> I took in large, expensive platters to help out
> for special teacher/staff functions in high
> school, particularly because I was told it was
> hard to get high school parents to donate things
> like that for the staff. Little did I know they
> were taking my parking pass money and hitting the
> restaurants all over town on a very regular basis.
> Yeh.
The school I was at had so many "dessert" breaks at after school staff meetings they were going to have to contract with weight watchers. {for those that didn't skip out)
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> must be a title 1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your principal is a tightwad. The school I
> worked
> > at the very least had Subway for everyone
> and
> > many times a red, hot,and blue lunch. Oh and
> they
> > brought in the ice cream folks too for desert.
>
>
>
> Trust me, I saw it all. The $1800 ice cream bills,
> the hundreds of smoothies, the thousands dropped
> at BBQ joints, the delis, the sandwich shops,
> Panera, Corner Bakery, you name it. At least a
> quarter of a million dollars, probably more. And
> the restaurant list is amazing. Sad, really.
>
> I took in large, expensive platters to help out
> for special teacher/staff functions in high
> school, particularly because I was told it was
> hard to get high school parents to donate things
> like that for the staff. Little did I know they
> were taking my parking pass money and hitting the
> restaurants all over town on a very regular basis.
> Yeh.
The school I was at had so many "dessert" breaks at after school staff meetings they were going to have to contract with weight watchers. {for those that didn't skip out)
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts/West Potomac
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Date: September 29, 2014 08:16PM
I am working through the West Potomac numbers. I pulled "credit card charges" on about $17,000 covering about a year. I didn't pull them all. Got all the receipts and PO's. There were also other itemized expenditures on the ECA report that I didn't pull.
37 restaurant and food purchases + $10,633
Clothing and gifts- $4640
party supplies- $167
coffee- $241
Gas-$36
Massages!!!!!!!!!-$280
***EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS- Two purchases $1068 and $60!!***
(Indigo Landing and Mike's totaled another $700.)
I am too tired to post all these right now. Maybe later. This is very, very typical. Multiply times about 40 or more. Some schools were plowing through 2-3 times this. Easily.
37 restaurant and food purchases + $10,633
Clothing and gifts- $4640
party supplies- $167
coffee- $241
Gas-$36
Massages!!!!!!!!!-$280
***EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS- Two purchases $1068 and $60!!***
(Indigo Landing and Mike's totaled another $700.)
I am too tired to post all these right now. Maybe later. This is very, very typical. Multiply times about 40 or more. Some schools were plowing through 2-3 times this. Easily.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
we do it for the students
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Date: September 29, 2014 08:57PM
Meanwhile the PTSA was out getting donations for the silent raffle, holding bake sales, etc. in order to raise money for teacher supplies. These were the same people who paid for the parking passes, etc.
Lovely.
Lovely.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
staff skip day!!!!!! 10/3/2014
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Date: September 30, 2014 09:02AM
^^I think it is supposed to be the other way around.
Here's a novel suggestion. Do what they just did out in Denver. All the staff (teachers, principals, counselors, etc.) call in sick one day to protest. We can watch the cameras rolling on staff who are upset that they can't go to Morton's for dinner, go golfing, get massages, aren't getting BBQ for lunch, aren't getting beach bag and beach towel sets, all paid for by the citizens, any more. We can also watch cameras rolling on citizens who are totally floored by all this. I think that would be very effective.
Here's a novel suggestion. Do what they just did out in Denver. All the staff (teachers, principals, counselors, etc.) call in sick one day to protest. We can watch the cameras rolling on staff who are upset that they can't go to Morton's for dinner, go golfing, get massages, aren't getting BBQ for lunch, aren't getting beach bag and beach towel sets, all paid for by the citizens, any more. We can also watch cameras rolling on citizens who are totally floored by all this. I think that would be very effective.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-custodians
()
Date: September 30, 2014 12:13PM
good point Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bill N makes good points. Think the public should
> know that more than parking fees go into the
> accounts. I think a portion of monopole fees,
> picture commissions and some vending machine
> profits go into it as well, but Fact Checker
> probably knows that and can repeat it for those
> late to the thread. Parents should also know that
> PTSAs in elementary schools have much more funding
> to direct to teacher appreciation and to classroom
> amenities. PTSA embership goes down dramatically
> for HS. A large HS could have just 400 members for
> an enrollment of over 2000. The superintendent and
> the school board must acknowledge the out of
> control spending that SOME administrative teams
> have been enjoying. Some of the schools listed
> routinely run out of copy paper! And do not have
> enough $ for supplemental texts. What bad modeling
> is being displayed by those enjoying luxury when
> teachers and other employees are not living the
> luxe life. And for the record, at many schools
> teachers contribute to a custodian lunch in
> recogniton of their hard work. We do take care of
> one another.
The custodians were taken care of with public dollars at West Potomac.
Attachments:
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> Bill N makes good points. Think the public should
> know that more than parking fees go into the
> accounts. I think a portion of monopole fees,
> picture commissions and some vending machine
> profits go into it as well, but Fact Checker
> probably knows that and can repeat it for those
> late to the thread. Parents should also know that
> PTSAs in elementary schools have much more funding
> to direct to teacher appreciation and to classroom
> amenities. PTSA embership goes down dramatically
> for HS. A large HS could have just 400 members for
> an enrollment of over 2000. The superintendent and
> the school board must acknowledge the out of
> control spending that SOME administrative teams
> have been enjoying. Some of the schools listed
> routinely run out of copy paper! And do not have
> enough $ for supplemental texts. What bad modeling
> is being displayed by those enjoying luxury when
> teachers and other employees are not living the
> luxe life. And for the record, at many schools
> teachers contribute to a custodian lunch in
> recogniton of their hard work. We do take care of
> one another.
The custodians were taken care of with public dollars at West Potomac.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
p.l.
()
Date: September 30, 2014 01:50PM
there seems to be a missing receipt with the custodian dinner at Applebee's, but I can see basically what went on. that must have been quite an evening for the custodians. a table for 14 at 8pm. they are probably still talking about it, god bless 'em. nice break from cleaning the toilets. the ihop tip was really cheap. $6 on a $71 ticket?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Just curious
()
Date: September 30, 2014 08:55PM
the facts-custodians Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> good point Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bill N makes good points. Think the public
> should
> > know that more than parking fees go into the
> > accounts. I think a portion of monopole fees,
> > picture commissions and some vending machine
> > profits go into it as well, but Fact Checker
> > probably knows that and can repeat it for those
> > late to the thread. Parents should also know
> that
> > PTSAs in elementary schools have much more
> funding
> > to direct to teacher appreciation and to
> classroom
> > amenities. PTSA embership goes down
> dramatically
> > for HS. A large HS could have just 400 members
> for
> > an enrollment of over 2000. The superintendent
> and
> > the school board must acknowledge the out of
> > control spending that SOME administrative teams
> > have been enjoying. Some of the schools listed
> > routinely run out of copy paper! And do not
> have
> > enough $ for supplemental texts. What bad
> modeling
> > is being displayed by those enjoying luxury
> when
> > teachers and other employees are not living the
> > luxe life. And for the record, at many schools
> > teachers contribute to a custodian lunch in
> > recogniton of their hard work. We do take care
> of
> > one another.
>
>
>
> The custodians were taken care of with public
> dollars at West Potomac.
So, do you have a problem with ECA funds taking a grossly underpaid custodial staff to a freaking meal at IHOP?!?! FOIA this - You, The Facts, are a self-righteous douche.
-------------------------------------------------------
> good point Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bill N makes good points. Think the public
> should
> > know that more than parking fees go into the
> > accounts. I think a portion of monopole fees,
> > picture commissions and some vending machine
> > profits go into it as well, but Fact Checker
> > probably knows that and can repeat it for those
> > late to the thread. Parents should also know
> that
> > PTSAs in elementary schools have much more
> funding
> > to direct to teacher appreciation and to
> classroom
> > amenities. PTSA embership goes down
> dramatically
> > for HS. A large HS could have just 400 members
> for
> > an enrollment of over 2000. The superintendent
> and
> > the school board must acknowledge the out of
> > control spending that SOME administrative teams
> > have been enjoying. Some of the schools listed
> > routinely run out of copy paper! And do not
> have
> > enough $ for supplemental texts. What bad
> modeling
> > is being displayed by those enjoying luxury
> when
> > teachers and other employees are not living the
> > luxe life. And for the record, at many schools
> > teachers contribute to a custodian lunch in
> > recogniton of their hard work. We do take care
> of
> > one another.
>
>
>
> The custodians were taken care of with public
> dollars at West Potomac.
So, do you have a problem with ECA funds taking a grossly underpaid custodial staff to a freaking meal at IHOP?!?! FOIA this - You, The Facts, are a self-righteous douche.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Custodians worth gold
()
Date: September 30, 2014 09:10PM
In my 7 years at the same FCPS school, the custodians have been absolutely amazing. There is usually turnover of 1-3 of them each year and each that comes in new seems to raise the bar even higher. I can't get over how spotless our school looks. Little things like shoe scuff marks throughout the entire school cleaned TWICE DAILY with a tennis ball on a broom handle. These people are indispensable and underpaid. I've also never seen a group of people so appreciate of a meal if available. Leftover pizza from student parties gets taken home by them to feed family members as if they've been given a holy relic to share.
Back off, Barb. Your crusade has a lot of merit, but if you look to eliminate a gray area like this one, I can't extend you an iota of respect.
Back off, Barb. Your crusade has a lot of merit, but if you look to eliminate a gray area like this one, I can't extend you an iota of respect.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
agree
()
Date: September 30, 2014 09:17PM
I think it's the $600 administrator hotel rooms and high end restaurant dinners that are the most egregious things on here . . . not some crumbs for the underpaid janitors. We used to take up a collection at one of the schools where I taught so that the custodians could have a holiday bonus. They are appreciated by the staff.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
custodian fan
()
Date: October 01, 2014 04:44AM
Fact checker just lost all my respect for her "barb" thrown at custodians and the paltry meal they were given at an iHOP. Who gives a rats ass if "public dollars" buy these underpaid workers a meal. NO ONE except you! Are you aware of the god awful disgusting mess kids leave the restrooms on a daily basis that custodians have to clean up? Have you seen older women called into shovel snow - sometimes without warm coats and gloves? Have you witnessed them using toxic substances to scrape gum off floors? Have you noted how the number of custodians has been cut to pay for other more "showcase" programs? FCPS can't operate without custodians and I for one support them getting raises in addition to an occasional treat and I don't care what fund covers the expense. Stick with your campaign to uncover excessive administrator perks and lay off the custodians, (and the teachers as well for that matter!)
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-HOLD ON
()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:31AM
Actually I am a huge fan of the custodians, but you people don't want me to make any comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was going to say exactly everything you people all said in the above posts. But, then you would have said I was playing favorites and making comments and gone on and on about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It actually breaks my heart that the custodians probably have to be included in the new restrictions. I love those people. They hold the whole place together and cleaning those bathrooms and mopping up the puke is just horrible work. Somebody brought up the teachers buying lunch for the custodians, and I was merely pointing out that somebody else took care of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What right do you have to jump to conclusions?????????????????? You need to validate BEFORE you start slinging mud at the messenger.
BTW, other schools bought them lunch, also, out of public funds. They had it brought in.
If you notice in an earlier post, I commented on how bringing in lunch for the custodian staff that came in on days when there wasn't any power was probably the most appropriate thing I saw in any of the ECA reports. THAT is an educational/operational emergency and it is actually covered in the 5810 as an unusual circumstance. Coasters, cookies,$600 hotel rooms, dinners at George's at the Cove and Morton's AREN'T educational emergencies. Contingency=unexpected, etc. I also saw that a new refrigerator was bought for them at one school. They need it. They are working the hours where the cafeteria was closed, probably pack their lunch and dinner more than most, and are working up a sweat and need cold drinks readily available. If there are 14 of them working pm's they can use a whole refrigerator just for themselves.
You people owe me an apology. But, then again, people can say anything they want here.
BTW, other schools bought them lunch, also, out of public funds. They had it brought in.
If you notice in an earlier post, I commented on how bringing in lunch for the custodian staff that came in on days when there wasn't any power was probably the most appropriate thing I saw in any of the ECA reports. THAT is an educational/operational emergency and it is actually covered in the 5810 as an unusual circumstance. Coasters, cookies,$600 hotel rooms, dinners at George's at the Cove and Morton's AREN'T educational emergencies. Contingency=unexpected, etc. I also saw that a new refrigerator was bought for them at one school. They need it. They are working the hours where the cafeteria was closed, probably pack their lunch and dinner more than most, and are working up a sweat and need cold drinks readily available. If there are 14 of them working pm's they can use a whole refrigerator just for themselves.
You people owe me an apology. But, then again, people can say anything they want here.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-HOLD ON
()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:37AM
I can top the cold pizza. I bring in fresh venison (I know a hunter) for MY helpers at work. Because I know they are paid crap and deserve it and watch my rear end.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-HOLD ON
()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:58AM
Hey teachers-have any of your principals vowed to get you the supplies you need now that the boondoggles and massages have supposedly had the plug pulled on them? Start asking!!!!!! I would be making a long wish list. There is no excuse for running out of copy paper, etc. now.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-bus drivers
()
Date: October 01, 2014 01:53PM
Annandale has the bus drivers covered. Page 33. Red, Hot, and Blue. I am just pointing out that there are a lot of people to be taken care of.
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Posted by:
Spare us
()
Date: October 01, 2014 04:05PM
Typical move by the facts. Bash any sort of spending on teachers and now custodians, get criticized for it, and then back peddle like crazy saying how much you love those people. Oh, and I see now that you are worried that we might be coddling our overpaid bus drivers. Apologize to you? I don't think so.
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Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 01, 2014 04:30PM
^^^^^^^I haven't done anything. No back peddling, etc. I just want to know why some of these schools are spending $25,000 on restaurants yet say they are broke. I didn't write the state laws, the school regulations, or set school policy. I just am asking why it all isn't being followed. I do find it amazing that many "staff members" seem to have a problem with that. That is part of their job. Not too many citizens I talk to do. Wonder why.
Hey teachers-have any of your principals vowed to get you the supplies you need?
Hey teachers-have any of your principals vowed to get you the supplies you need?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
teacher
()
Date: October 01, 2014 04:40PM
No... I've heard some say that it will be harder for them to do some of the appreciation type things for the teachers... but not a word about spending money on supplies. Funny, restaurants and retreats did not come up.
Then again, to be clear, I have been the recipient of exactly ZERO of the things people on here are assuming all the teachers are getting. Not complaining -- but not exactly living the high life on the taxpayers dime like you are making it sound.
Then again, to be clear, I have been the recipient of exactly ZERO of the things people on here are assuming all the teachers are getting. Not complaining -- but not exactly living the high life on the taxpayers dime like you are making it sound.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 01, 2014 04:50PM
^^^OK, if they aren't going to be able to do coasters and beach towels and stuff, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH THE MONEY? This should free up funds for education things. This is an educational account. Nothing in this account's name said party, spa, hotel, gift, restaurant account. According to the name, it is intended for unexpected educational needs.
Nobody NEEDS to go to Morton's or go golfing or get a massage or stay at the Westin because of an unexpected educational need.
If the teachers at the schools I pulled weren't getting scrambled eggs, gift sets, etc., then what the heck was going on? I think you are just at the wrong school.
I am going to have to do this all over again next year......
Nobody NEEDS to go to Morton's or go golfing or get a massage or stay at the Westin because of an unexpected educational need.
If the teachers at the schools I pulled weren't getting scrambled eggs, gift sets, etc., then what the heck was going on? I think you are just at the wrong school.
I am going to have to do this all over again next year......
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
teacher
()
Date: October 01, 2014 05:04PM
well, I think one of the flaws in how you are doing this is that you can't see what the occasions were for the expenditures or how many staff members were benefiting from it. I'm not making a judgement on if they are justified or unjustified... I'm just saying that food brought it for $xxx could be going to just a particular subcommittee of employees. And another occasion could be for a totally different sub group of employees.
When you list them all out from throughout the year, it makes it look like all the staff are enjoying these things every two weeks -- when in reality, it's possible/likely that many teachers in a building are not involved in whatever those occasions were and receive none of it. Again, not whining about not getting things, but the idiots on here interpret all this as teachers are living it up and get ice cream and pasta dinners every week.
I've never been offered a meal on back to school night. It varies from school to school and even within a building as to who is benefiting from these things.
I know our account has been used to buy computers and tech equipment. I'm sure other things were purchased like you've found from other schools as well though.
When you list them all out from throughout the year, it makes it look like all the staff are enjoying these things every two weeks -- when in reality, it's possible/likely that many teachers in a building are not involved in whatever those occasions were and receive none of it. Again, not whining about not getting things, but the idiots on here interpret all this as teachers are living it up and get ice cream and pasta dinners every week.
I've never been offered a meal on back to school night. It varies from school to school and even within a building as to who is benefiting from these things.
I know our account has been used to buy computers and tech equipment. I'm sure other things were purchased like you've found from other schools as well though.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 01, 2014 05:15PM
^^Actually, I have a very good idea of who was getting a lot of this stuff. Some was for very large groups, some for small, select groups. Many of the entries were very, very specific. It is very obvious some of the finance techs have been very busy with receipts for this kind of stuff, as well as the people who order, set up, etc. There was a virtual parade of vehicles at some of these schools. I could pull several thousand more receipts for more specific details...they are probably busy trying to implement some new procedures. I saw enough to get a good idea what has been going on.
There has probably been a huge variation. But, the excessive schools were so excessive....and there were a lot of them. I have several who still can't justify some very fancy, expensive dinners. They haven't even come up with receipts. Many are illegible, some have not even been produced and they are way over the time limit.
I think some schools have been flush with cash. Some were struggling, yet still managed to find the money for admins and things. Some very mixed up priorities. That has been made very obvious.
There has probably been a huge variation. But, the excessive schools were so excessive....and there were a lot of them. I have several who still can't justify some very fancy, expensive dinners. They haven't even come up with receipts. Many are illegible, some have not even been produced and they are way over the time limit.
I think some schools have been flush with cash. Some were struggling, yet still managed to find the money for admins and things. Some very mixed up priorities. That has been made very obvious.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
teacher
()
Date: October 01, 2014 05:24PM
It's clear to you...
To the average person on this thread the perception is that all teachers are getting showered with luxuries on a weekly basis. That perception is partly fueled by the commentary that comes along with the 'facts'. I'm just saying that I'm not seeing it in my building.
To the average person on this thread the perception is that all teachers are getting showered with luxuries on a weekly basis. That perception is partly fueled by the commentary that comes along with the 'facts'. I'm just saying that I'm not seeing it in my building.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:09PM
I really don't think people are looking at the teachers being the problem. Nobody I have talked to about this thinks that way. I think perhaps expectations have gotten over-inflated at many of these schools. When you think you are due a massage, a buffet breakfast or lunch, a present, etc., at county expense, you are very confused. You probably aren't "due" any of this, and probably never were entitled to it in the first place.
The "teachers" need to look beyond what they were personally getting and somehow grasp the big picture and not look at it as bashing them or anybody else.
I think we all understand how ridiculous the hotels were. I haven't heard from anybody trying to justify that. The problems seem to be with the presents/clothing and meals.
********When somebody uses the county credit card to purchase a meal that there is no regulation specifying that they are entitled to, and maybe a regulation or two prohibiting it, sometimes at a very, very expensive restaurant, and they can't produce an itemized receipt or a receipt of ANY kind, and there isn't any record of who was at said meal, and the finance tech doesn't pursue this, or the records are illegible, and maybe the principal is the purchaser and/or doesn't care, you have a very, very, VERY big problem. Expecting somebody to do their job is not bashing. Any business/legal people out there?
Hello, Gatehouse and DCCO!!!!!!!!!
The "teachers" need to look beyond what they were personally getting and somehow grasp the big picture and not look at it as bashing them or anybody else.
I think we all understand how ridiculous the hotels were. I haven't heard from anybody trying to justify that. The problems seem to be with the presents/clothing and meals.
********When somebody uses the county credit card to purchase a meal that there is no regulation specifying that they are entitled to, and maybe a regulation or two prohibiting it, sometimes at a very, very expensive restaurant, and they can't produce an itemized receipt or a receipt of ANY kind, and there isn't any record of who was at said meal, and the finance tech doesn't pursue this, or the records are illegible, and maybe the principal is the purchaser and/or doesn't care, you have a very, very, VERY big problem. Expecting somebody to do their job is not bashing. Any business/legal people out there?
Hello, Gatehouse and DCCO!!!!!!!!!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
teacher
()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:16PM
I know zero teachers who feel that they are entitled to those things. That perception is being inflated by comments like yours when you say
"When you think you are due a massage, a buffet breakfast or lunch, a present, etc., at county expense, you are very confused"
and
"the "teachers" need to look beyond what they were personally getting"
"When you think you are due a massage, a buffet breakfast or lunch, a present, etc., at county expense, you are very confused"
and
"the "teachers" need to look beyond what they were personally getting"
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:22PM
I am getting the opposite impression and so are a lot of other people. Obviously you don't know who is posting here, but I have also talked with several staff. And any Administrator who waltzes into a fine restaurant and plops down the county card, or writes a check out of county funds so they can go golfing or get a massage, obviously thinks they are totally entitled to this kind of stuff. The fact that they have to be told this is inappropriate is utterly ridiculous.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
teacher
()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:25PM
Yes, but you just said teachers feel that way, and then in the next post used an administrator as an example. Two different things
I'm not saying administrators don't feel entitled. I'm saying teachers don't feel entitled. Either way, all of this paints everyone with the same brush and it leads to confusion about what's really going on
I'm not saying administrators don't feel entitled. I'm saying teachers don't feel entitled. Either way, all of this paints everyone with the same brush and it leads to confusion about what's really going on
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Pop Quiz for the facts
()
Date: October 01, 2014 07:38PM
Some simple yes or no questions for the facts (no commentary necessary)
1) Should a principal be able to buy an $8/person lunch for teachers during their teacher work week in August? Size of the school does not matter, yes or no?
2) Should a principal be able to pay for some pizza, or BBQ, or subs for their custodians? Yes or no?
3) How about a $5/person breakfast for the entire staff at a high school, just as a thank you surprise? Yes or no?
4) Is the administrative staff at a school entitled to any sort of thank you dinner from the principal (say $30/person once a year) as a thank you for hard work, etc? Yes or no?
1) Should a principal be able to buy an $8/person lunch for teachers during their teacher work week in August? Size of the school does not matter, yes or no?
2) Should a principal be able to pay for some pizza, or BBQ, or subs for their custodians? Yes or no?
3) How about a $5/person breakfast for the entire staff at a high school, just as a thank you surprise? Yes or no?
4) Is the administrative staff at a school entitled to any sort of thank you dinner from the principal (say $30/person once a year) as a thank you for hard work, etc? Yes or no?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
not the facts/focus is larger
()
Date: October 01, 2014 08:28PM
the questions go way beyond what is being asked above
the teachers are not really involved in any of this as they have no power over spending the money
the principals have power to spend the money and should spend it carefully and on school related items if that is what the funds are supposed to be for
the biggest culpable parties in all of this are the people who are supposed to be overseeing these funds (the Gatehouse crew) and the School Board. they are the ones who are supposed to set the rules for how this money is spent and monitor its use
i haven't even mentioned how the money is collected and how it was decided that a certain amount would be skimmed from the parking fees (for starters) and the inequity of that process from school to school (but the SB and Gatehouse are responsible for that process as well).
the teachers are not really involved in any of this as they have no power over spending the money
the principals have power to spend the money and should spend it carefully and on school related items if that is what the funds are supposed to be for
the biggest culpable parties in all of this are the people who are supposed to be overseeing these funds (the Gatehouse crew) and the School Board. they are the ones who are supposed to set the rules for how this money is spent and monitor its use
i haven't even mentioned how the money is collected and how it was decided that a certain amount would be skimmed from the parking fees (for starters) and the inequity of that process from school to school (but the SB and Gatehouse are responsible for that process as well).
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 02, 2014 06:18AM
Pop Quiz for the facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Some simple yes or no questions for the facts (no
> commentary necessary)
>
> 1) Should a principal be able to buy an $8/person
> lunch for teachers during their teacher work week
> in August? Size of the school does not matter, yes
> or no?
>
> 2) Should a principal be able to pay for some
> pizza, or BBQ, or subs for their custodians? Yes
> or no?
>
> 3) How about a $5/person breakfast for the entire
> staff at a high school, just as a thank you
> surprise? Yes or no?
>
> 4) Is the administrative staff at a school
> entitled to any sort of thank you dinner from the
> principal (say $30/person once a year) as a thank
> you for hard work, etc? Yes or no?
YOU read the handbook and figure it out. I have posted it twice.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Some simple yes or no questions for the facts (no
> commentary necessary)
>
> 1) Should a principal be able to buy an $8/person
> lunch for teachers during their teacher work week
> in August? Size of the school does not matter, yes
> or no?
>
> 2) Should a principal be able to pay for some
> pizza, or BBQ, or subs for their custodians? Yes
> or no?
>
> 3) How about a $5/person breakfast for the entire
> staff at a high school, just as a thank you
> surprise? Yes or no?
>
> 4) Is the administrative staff at a school
> entitled to any sort of thank you dinner from the
> principal (say $30/person once a year) as a thank
> you for hard work, etc? Yes or no?
YOU read the handbook and figure it out. I have posted it twice.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 02, 2014 06:52AM
not the facts/focus is larger Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> the questions go way beyond what is being asked
> above
>
> the teachers are not really involved in any of
> this as they have no power over spending the
> money
>
> the principals have power to spend the money and
> should spend it carefully and on school related
> items if that is what the funds are supposed to be
> for
>
> the biggest culpable parties in all of this are
> the people who are supposed to be overseeing these
> funds (the Gatehouse crew) and the School Board.
> they are the ones who are supposed to set the
> rules for how this money is spent and monitor its
> use
>
> i haven't even mentioned how the money is
> collected and how it was decided that a certain
> amount would be skimmed from the parking fees (for
> starters) and the inequity of that process from
> school to school (but the SB and Gatehouse are
> responsible for that process as well).
THANK YOU for the first sensible thing I have seen in a long, long time. I want to know how this could have gone on for years and years. Didn't ANYBODY look at some of the spending patterns and question them? WHY NOT? I posted a usage audit from a year or two ago. It pointed out a lot of problems. I raised the roof on this a year and a half ago. Didn't ANY summer auditor question why there weren't receipts on some of this stuff? The records got looked at every summer. Maybe their job wasn't to match up spending practices with school regulations, but receipts are basic essential items. I have found absence of receipts in multiple situations and I have barely skimmed the surface. There are thousands more entries that could be evaluated.
I don't know how it was decided what would fund the Slush Fund. The newspaper article that started this thread pointed out the inequities. I don't know how you determine how to allocate these types of funds. Some of the schools with lesser amounts of parking receipts also get more money for their schools from other sources.
Thank you for pointing out again that the teachers have no real power over this situation. I feel for them as it will be an adjustment and some might feel slighted after years and years of gifts, flowers, and catered meals paid for by the citizens. They were set up for a crushing blow. I already told them they need to be drawing up some Wish Lists for teaching materials needs. Seriously.
Somebody needs to make a decision on the Administrators' fancy for expensive restaurant meals and golf and do it now. WHY are the "dues" for the Associations coming out of public funds? I am still awaiting the organizational documents. I am still trying to figure out exactly what these groups are. It sounds like some of what they are doing falls under work-related activities, which are covered to a small extent under the local travel regulation (unless their contracts read otherwise). Some of what they are doing falls under personal expenses (golf, the fancy dinners, the hotel retreat). If they are an FCPS certified association, somebody has to sign the statement saying the group will not plan to overthrow government or interrupt government services(!), as well as some other stuff. This certification also allows payroll deduction for dues, use of school facilities for meetings (less expensive than using a restaurant), and use of leave for responsibilities associated with their role in the group, etc. The issue of the $500 plus dues and added expenses of the state/national professional association also need to be looked at. These look like individual memberships, which according to the regulations are supposed to be paid for by the individuals. Is there something in their contracts mandating these to paid out of public funds? I tallied up that these two groups could conceivably cost $2000 per school.
-------------------------------------------------------
> the questions go way beyond what is being asked
> above
>
> the teachers are not really involved in any of
> this as they have no power over spending the
> money
>
> the principals have power to spend the money and
> should spend it carefully and on school related
> items if that is what the funds are supposed to be
> for
>
> the biggest culpable parties in all of this are
> the people who are supposed to be overseeing these
> funds (the Gatehouse crew) and the School Board.
> they are the ones who are supposed to set the
> rules for how this money is spent and monitor its
> use
>
> i haven't even mentioned how the money is
> collected and how it was decided that a certain
> amount would be skimmed from the parking fees (for
> starters) and the inequity of that process from
> school to school (but the SB and Gatehouse are
> responsible for that process as well).
THANK YOU for the first sensible thing I have seen in a long, long time. I want to know how this could have gone on for years and years. Didn't ANYBODY look at some of the spending patterns and question them? WHY NOT? I posted a usage audit from a year or two ago. It pointed out a lot of problems. I raised the roof on this a year and a half ago. Didn't ANY summer auditor question why there weren't receipts on some of this stuff? The records got looked at every summer. Maybe their job wasn't to match up spending practices with school regulations, but receipts are basic essential items. I have found absence of receipts in multiple situations and I have barely skimmed the surface. There are thousands more entries that could be evaluated.
I don't know how it was decided what would fund the Slush Fund. The newspaper article that started this thread pointed out the inequities. I don't know how you determine how to allocate these types of funds. Some of the schools with lesser amounts of parking receipts also get more money for their schools from other sources.
Thank you for pointing out again that the teachers have no real power over this situation. I feel for them as it will be an adjustment and some might feel slighted after years and years of gifts, flowers, and catered meals paid for by the citizens. They were set up for a crushing blow. I already told them they need to be drawing up some Wish Lists for teaching materials needs. Seriously.
Somebody needs to make a decision on the Administrators' fancy for expensive restaurant meals and golf and do it now. WHY are the "dues" for the Associations coming out of public funds? I am still awaiting the organizational documents. I am still trying to figure out exactly what these groups are. It sounds like some of what they are doing falls under work-related activities, which are covered to a small extent under the local travel regulation (unless their contracts read otherwise). Some of what they are doing falls under personal expenses (golf, the fancy dinners, the hotel retreat). If they are an FCPS certified association, somebody has to sign the statement saying the group will not plan to overthrow government or interrupt government services(!), as well as some other stuff. This certification also allows payroll deduction for dues, use of school facilities for meetings (less expensive than using a restaurant), and use of leave for responsibilities associated with their role in the group, etc. The issue of the $500 plus dues and added expenses of the state/national professional association also need to be looked at. These look like individual memberships, which according to the regulations are supposed to be paid for by the individuals. Is there something in their contracts mandating these to paid out of public funds? I tallied up that these two groups could conceivably cost $2000 per school.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-associations
()
Date: October 02, 2014 07:54AM
Along with the above associations, there are also other memberships and associated expenses and some payments that need to be considered-
for example (this is not inclusive)
Centreville-VASSP 2013 summer conference $415, Mileage to VASSP $248.03, Principals conference at the The Homestead $612.72, gas for HSPA retreat $71.30
Lee-ASCD, Phi Delta Kappa
South Lakes-Associated School Librarians of Fairfax County (don't know what this was about)
Finance Tech dues-multiple schools
Edison-Cluster V Sunshine Fund-$60 (Sunshine Funds are supposed to be privately funded, right?)
Herndon-PDK Membership $90, PDK dinner $99, Rotary Club of Herndon expenses-$214, $64, $128, $257, $202, $64, etc.(this was in less than a year)
Langley-Association for Supervision and Curr $54
I thought I remembered seeing a Chamber of Commerce payment somewhere but I don't have time to locate it.
Anyway, lots to look at.
for example (this is not inclusive)
Centreville-VASSP 2013 summer conference $415, Mileage to VASSP $248.03, Principals conference at the The Homestead $612.72, gas for HSPA retreat $71.30
Lee-ASCD, Phi Delta Kappa
South Lakes-Associated School Librarians of Fairfax County (don't know what this was about)
Finance Tech dues-multiple schools
Edison-Cluster V Sunshine Fund-$60 (Sunshine Funds are supposed to be privately funded, right?)
Herndon-PDK Membership $90, PDK dinner $99, Rotary Club of Herndon expenses-$214, $64, $128, $257, $202, $64, etc.(this was in less than a year)
Langley-Association for Supervision and Curr $54
I thought I remembered seeing a Chamber of Commerce payment somewhere but I don't have time to locate it.
Anyway, lots to look at.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Pop Quiz
()
Date: October 02, 2014 04:24PM
Since Barb is afraid to answer 4 simple and straight forward questions, I will provide my thoughts. YES to all 4. My guess is that you deflected from the questions because you don't want to admit your answers would all be NO. I am basing this assumption on your repeated bashing of pretty much any spending on teachers and support staff. And btw, I think the money spent on expensive retreats, trips, overly expensive meals is disgusting, so please do not try to mix that problem with the teacher issue. They are not the same.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Ask the SB and Gatehouse people
()
Date: October 02, 2014 05:18PM
^ I don't understand what you mean by the "teacher issue". There is no teacher issue here. There is only an issue of how public funds earmarked for educational use are spent by principals. How someone thinks there is a "teacher issue", I don't understand. Barb cannot really put out the FOIA stuff just for the most expensive items. She has put it all out for discussion. Whether her answer is yes or no to your pop quiz is not relevant. It's not for her to decide on narrow questions. It is for the SB and the people at Gatehouse to make the ultimate decisions and give guidance on this stuff. By putting up your "pop quiz", you are trying to set policy on the use of these public funds. That is not what we do; it is what Gatehouse and the SB do.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 02, 2014 07:02PM
^^^^^Whoever is putting out the pop quiz needs to read the directions. I am not making a ruling on anything, so quit acting like a horse's rear end. There are published limits in the Finance Handbook, although some of them are rather vague. If you don't understand them, call Gatehouse. They won't know if it will work until people start implementing and using this tool.
You know, administrators are always welcome to pay for their own expensive dinners and take their staff out and put down THEIR credit card instead of OURS. My personal suggestion is if people are tired of producing and keeping receipts and following some limits then quit doing all this stuff. People will survive and it would make things a lot easier.
You know, administrators are always welcome to pay for their own expensive dinners and take their staff out and put down THEIR credit card instead of OURS. My personal suggestion is if people are tired of producing and keeping receipts and following some limits then quit doing all this stuff. People will survive and it would make things a lot easier.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
????
()
Date: October 02, 2014 10:20PM
Is "the facts" referring to herself in the third person?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Barb 1.0
()
Date: October 03, 2014 11:51PM
Here is Barb in a bit truer form. She's angrier on this other thread. She wears the anger well.
Re: FCPS vs Music Booster Clubs controversy
Posted by: hello again ()
Date: October 03, 2014 08:32PM
"My recommendation to my old group is the next time you crap all over a bunch of parents and children, lie to them, play secret games with their financial transactions, refuse to release records, block access to financial information, put out fantasy reports, threaten a parent in more ways than one, act like verbally abusive psycho flaming pompous egotistical self-righteous assholes, and set up a school official to be disciplined, think again. You made some very, very, bad decisions and choices, and made a very, very, VERY poor choice of target, but a lot of good came out of getting all this straightened out. If you are going to do stupid things like this again. pick something besides public transactions and parents and children. That was beyond despicable.
Regards."
Re: FCPS vs Music Booster Clubs controversy
Posted by: hello again ()
Date: October 03, 2014 08:32PM
"My recommendation to my old group is the next time you crap all over a bunch of parents and children, lie to them, play secret games with their financial transactions, refuse to release records, block access to financial information, put out fantasy reports, threaten a parent in more ways than one, act like verbally abusive psycho flaming pompous egotistical self-righteous assholes, and set up a school official to be disciplined, think again. You made some very, very, bad decisions and choices, and made a very, very, VERY poor choice of target, but a lot of good came out of getting all this straightened out. If you are going to do stupid things like this again. pick something besides public transactions and parents and children. That was beyond despicable.
Regards."
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Wronggggg
()
Date: October 04, 2014 08:18AM
Ask the SB and Gatehouse people Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ^ I don't understand what you mean by the "teacher
> issue". There is no teacher issue here. There is
> only an issue of how public funds earmarked for
> educational use are spent by principals. How
> someone thinks there is a "teacher issue", I don't
> understand. Barb cannot really put out the FOIA
> stuff just for the most expensive items. She has
> put it all out for discussion. Whether her answer
> is yes or no to your pop quiz is not relevant.
> It's not for her to decide on narrow questions.
> It is for the SB and the people at Gatehouse to
> make the ultimate decisions and give guidance on
> this stuff. By putting up your "pop quiz", you
> are trying to set policy on the use of these
> public funds. That is not what we do; it is what
> Gatehouse and the SB do.
You're nuts. The teacher issue is The Facts lady has continually bashed administrators for spending money on teachers. Then she turns around and says how much she loves them. She won't answer those quiz questions because it would prevent her from playing both sides. Answering No shows her disdain for giving the teachers anything above a paycheck, and answering Yes contradicts all of her posts criticizing such spending.
-------------------------------------------------------
> ^ I don't understand what you mean by the "teacher
> issue". There is no teacher issue here. There is
> only an issue of how public funds earmarked for
> educational use are spent by principals. How
> someone thinks there is a "teacher issue", I don't
> understand. Barb cannot really put out the FOIA
> stuff just for the most expensive items. She has
> put it all out for discussion. Whether her answer
> is yes or no to your pop quiz is not relevant.
> It's not for her to decide on narrow questions.
> It is for the SB and the people at Gatehouse to
> make the ultimate decisions and give guidance on
> this stuff. By putting up your "pop quiz", you
> are trying to set policy on the use of these
> public funds. That is not what we do; it is what
> Gatehouse and the SB do.
You're nuts. The teacher issue is The Facts lady has continually bashed administrators for spending money on teachers. Then she turns around and says how much she loves them. She won't answer those quiz questions because it would prevent her from playing both sides. Answering No shows her disdain for giving the teachers anything above a paycheck, and answering Yes contradicts all of her posts criticizing such spending.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 04, 2014 08:25AM
The practices in question here involve administrators spending money on themselves and their staff in ways that don't seem to comply with school regulations and common standards of ethics and acceptable business practice (as in, no receipts, illegible receipts, inappropriate services).
I am not getting involved in the Pop Quiz.
Have a nice weekend.
I am not getting involved in the Pop Quiz.
Have a nice weekend.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
stop trivializing the issue
()
Date: October 04, 2014 08:28AM
"The teacher issue is The Facts lady has continually bashed administrators for spending money on teachers."
Exactly. She is bashing administrators, not teachers. The teachers have nothing to do with this. You are confusing support of teachers with using public money in incorrect ways. You can support teachers without buying them personal items. The teachers get a pay check. The teachers need items in their classrooms to support their jobs (and they all pay for a lot of that stuff themselves because they often hear "no" when they try to get the money---so they have basically given up on getting it). The public funds really ought to be spent on educating students because that is the basic function of schools (or have we forgotten that sort of important fact?). Sure, teachers will take a donut or whatever when it is offered to them, but they will still be upset about having to spend their own money on educational items (ask any teacher about this). And sure, the teachers will start to expect their donut because they will take whatever they can get in this atmosphere. If the administrators are relieving their guilt by buying the teachers a donut, it is not really working. We need to talk about what is REALLY needed and appreciated and what supports the job at hand. The questions you raise are trivial compared to what we really need to be discussing. Trust me. I'm a teacher.
Exactly. She is bashing administrators, not teachers. The teachers have nothing to do with this. You are confusing support of teachers with using public money in incorrect ways. You can support teachers without buying them personal items. The teachers get a pay check. The teachers need items in their classrooms to support their jobs (and they all pay for a lot of that stuff themselves because they often hear "no" when they try to get the money---so they have basically given up on getting it). The public funds really ought to be spent on educating students because that is the basic function of schools (or have we forgotten that sort of important fact?). Sure, teachers will take a donut or whatever when it is offered to them, but they will still be upset about having to spend their own money on educational items (ask any teacher about this). And sure, the teachers will start to expect their donut because they will take whatever they can get in this atmosphere. If the administrators are relieving their guilt by buying the teachers a donut, it is not really working. We need to talk about what is REALLY needed and appreciated and what supports the job at hand. The questions you raise are trivial compared to what we really need to be discussing. Trust me. I'm a teacher.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
stop trivializing
()
Date: October 04, 2014 08:37AM
Also, by asking the "yes" or "no" questions ("you must answer without comment"), you sound like someone who should be creating SOL tests. You want to paint us into a corner and then criticize us when we try to escape that corner in order to be better than the corner. Please, I hope you are not an administrator! We are trying to think through an issue and you want to make it all easy and "data friendly" and some kind of a black and white thing. News flash: it's not. None of it. It's all messy. But let's try to fix what we can and improve things. Okay?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
paying for this garbage
()
Date: October 04, 2014 08:44AM
Its pretty clear who facts is after--the people who get to make the decisions about rewarding themselves with expensive perks with no oversight, and in violation of laws on the books.
The gifts to the teachers and custodians look like attempts to cover up a pretty cynical misuse of public funds. Why don't the custodians get to go to Mortons? Why do they only rate Applebees?
Because they're the slaves? Is that the way the money is being thought of? As the property of the higher ups to do what they want--trade favors and rewards to secure their fiefdoms?
Frankly, screw the teachers who are on here bitching about not getting their panera or tshirt or whatever. This is a scandal
The gifts to the teachers and custodians look like attempts to cover up a pretty cynical misuse of public funds. Why don't the custodians get to go to Mortons? Why do they only rate Applebees?
Because they're the slaves? Is that the way the money is being thought of? As the property of the higher ups to do what they want--trade favors and rewards to secure their fiefdoms?
Frankly, screw the teachers who are on here bitching about not getting their panera or tshirt or whatever. This is a scandal
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
let them eat cake
()
Date: October 04, 2014 08:52AM
Geez. I hadn't thought that there were teachers on here complaining about not getting their tshirt or Panera. Holy crap. No wonder the kids aren't learning anything. The teachers are focused on shallow personal items that they get on their jobs? I thought they were there to teach the kids and that they enjoyed their jobs. Really? And they can be bought with a tshirt and Panera?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 04, 2014 09:15AM
It looks like the Common Sense people are up, the crazy people are still in bed.
Teachers-spend a few minutes this weekend making up your Wish List for teaching materials. You march right down to the front office Monday morning and turn that in. (Keep a copy. If they say they don't have enough money for you to make a copy at school, which seems to be a very common problem, take a picture of it with your phone or make your own copy. It's really sad that we have money for golf but don't have money for the basics. )
I think the idea of sending the custodians to Morton's sounds like fun. Let's do a collection for that.....
Teachers-spend a few minutes this weekend making up your Wish List for teaching materials. You march right down to the front office Monday morning and turn that in. (Keep a copy. If they say they don't have enough money for you to make a copy at school, which seems to be a very common problem, take a picture of it with your phone or make your own copy. It's really sad that we have money for golf but don't have money for the basics. )
I think the idea of sending the custodians to Morton's sounds like fun. Let's do a collection for that.....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
townie
()
Date: October 04, 2014 03:59PM
Barb 1.0 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Here is Barb in a bit truer form. She's angrier on
> this other thread. She wears the anger well.
>
> Re: FCPS vs Music Booster Clubs controversy
> Posted by: hello again ()
> Date: October 03, 2014 08:32PM
>
> "My recommendation to my old group is the next
> time you crap all over a bunch of parents and
> children, lie to them, play secret games with
> their financial transactions, refuse to release
> records, block access to financial information,
> put out fantasy reports, threaten a parent in more
> ways than one, act like verbally abusive psycho
> flaming pompous egotistical self-righteous
> assholes, and set up a school official to be
> disciplined, think again. You made some very,
> very, bad decisions and choices, and made a very,
> very, VERY poor choice of target, but a lot of
> good came out of getting all this straightened
> out. If you are going to do stupid things like
> this again. pick something besides public
> transactions and parents and children. That was
> beyond despicable.
>
> Regards."
I know this thread. This IS a bunch of assholes. This is putting it mildly. Very mixed up group of people.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Here is Barb in a bit truer form. She's angrier on
> this other thread. She wears the anger well.
>
> Re: FCPS vs Music Booster Clubs controversy
> Posted by: hello again ()
> Date: October 03, 2014 08:32PM
>
> "My recommendation to my old group is the next
> time you crap all over a bunch of parents and
> children, lie to them, play secret games with
> their financial transactions, refuse to release
> records, block access to financial information,
> put out fantasy reports, threaten a parent in more
> ways than one, act like verbally abusive psycho
> flaming pompous egotistical self-righteous
> assholes, and set up a school official to be
> disciplined, think again. You made some very,
> very, bad decisions and choices, and made a very,
> very, VERY poor choice of target, but a lot of
> good came out of getting all this straightened
> out. If you are going to do stupid things like
> this again. pick something besides public
> transactions and parents and children. That was
> beyond despicable.
>
> Regards."
I know this thread. This IS a bunch of assholes. This is putting it mildly. Very mixed up group of people.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Just a thought
()
Date: October 04, 2014 04:55PM
I think we all agree the money spent on retreats, etc. on admin are over the top. However, I have zero issue with admin spending money on shirts, or a lunch, etc for their teachers, custodians, and other support staff. Bigger schools will spend more money on this type of stuff than smaller ones obviously, and I have zero problem with that. OP seems to though.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
What about the kids
()
Date: October 04, 2014 05:19PM
If the fcps directive says the money is be spent on the students and if the money is largely raised by students, then why doesn't it get spent on the kids?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 04, 2014 08:46PM
You people keep speaking your minds. That is what this is for.
I am leaving it up to Gatehouse to work out the numbers. The directions read "to foster student success", etc. If you look in the Finance Handbook there are now some limits on staff meals and treats. They can still do some very modest things for the staff. Clothing the staff is also not the school system's problem for the most part. They get lanyards. There are also gaping loopholes. I quite frankly think they need to quit worrying about "light refreshments". Period. Water is about all people need. And maybe coffee or tea. I don't even get those at my meetings and classes. They make granola bars for a reason. They are also getting worked up about "continuity" with meetings over the lunch hour and think they owe people a meal to keep things running. If you are in a long, long meeting, you are legally and physically in need of a break. Shut the meeting down, people can do what they want for lunch (either alone or together) and then restart the meeting. I do this all the time with classes and conferences. The travel regulation specifically states that the school system isn't responsible for meals due to being at a local deal anyway, unless they are required to pay for a meal as part of the event. So, why worry about it? It isn't the school system's problem. That is what Chipotle, etc. is for. Go to Chick-fil-A. I could care less. There is a cafeteria in every school and at Gatehouse. Pick up trays there if you want. No, it isn't Bazin's. My heart bleeds.
It is going to be very hard for the higher level people to give up on the mindset that every meeting (either for them or somebody else) is a luncheon, dinner, or in need of snacks that WE have to pay for. Just pull the plug. Right now. The Feds don't worry about this stuff for the most part. They just say NO. The private sector doesn't necessarily get all worked up about it, either. Maybe if you work for Google. This isn't Google. It is time to quit eating their way through the day and start paying attention to the budget problems and educational needs. I am still waiting on details on the HS/MSPA situation-the organizational documents, the Morton's dinner, etc. They can either suffer with mileage or $11.50 or pay their way on their own. PB and J. As a taxpayer I feel no need to pay for $100 dinners at Morton's or really any type of meal for these meetings/social events. They are being paid six figures and if they want to go to a nice restaurant they can take their $11.50 and apply it or pay for the whole thing themselves. There's 25 at the high school level alone. I am seeing numerous meetings in the records.
I felt that the bulk of the account should be used on educational things for the children. But, that's me. I am entitled to my opinion. And I just am not seeing that. This account has evolved into a Party and Fine Dining account, as I told my School Board rep. As I have said before, I have a really hard time hearing about cutting services for the children, no money for copy paper and supplies for the teachers, etc., when the front office is spending a huge amount of time and money planning snacks/meals/golf etc. mostly for the staff, and lot of it for the Front Office.
The money is very tight right now and it is time to be tough about this. I was looking at about half a million dollars of complete garbage in these accounts, probably more. There is probably more going on with the other accounts. I read in the audit they were using appropriated funds for some of this stuff, and the new Guidelines gives them the permission to do so. So, our tax dollars will also be going for this stuff. Is that what you expect as a taxpayer?
I am still awaiting some information from Oakton, Herndon, Robinson, West Springfield, Westfield. I had also asked for some itemized receipts from the Annapolis boondoggle for Hayfield. Somehow I think I might not get some of these. That is SO not good. Keep looking. Oakton is WAY over the 12 days so I have asked for credit card statements, card assignment information, and travel documents since one place looks to be in California. The longer you stall the worse it is going to get. Just put it out there and get it over with. We paid for whatever went on, not you. Live and learn.
I am leaving it up to Gatehouse to work out the numbers. The directions read "to foster student success", etc. If you look in the Finance Handbook there are now some limits on staff meals and treats. They can still do some very modest things for the staff. Clothing the staff is also not the school system's problem for the most part. They get lanyards. There are also gaping loopholes. I quite frankly think they need to quit worrying about "light refreshments". Period. Water is about all people need. And maybe coffee or tea. I don't even get those at my meetings and classes. They make granola bars for a reason. They are also getting worked up about "continuity" with meetings over the lunch hour and think they owe people a meal to keep things running. If you are in a long, long meeting, you are legally and physically in need of a break. Shut the meeting down, people can do what they want for lunch (either alone or together) and then restart the meeting. I do this all the time with classes and conferences. The travel regulation specifically states that the school system isn't responsible for meals due to being at a local deal anyway, unless they are required to pay for a meal as part of the event. So, why worry about it? It isn't the school system's problem. That is what Chipotle, etc. is for. Go to Chick-fil-A. I could care less. There is a cafeteria in every school and at Gatehouse. Pick up trays there if you want. No, it isn't Bazin's. My heart bleeds.
It is going to be very hard for the higher level people to give up on the mindset that every meeting (either for them or somebody else) is a luncheon, dinner, or in need of snacks that WE have to pay for. Just pull the plug. Right now. The Feds don't worry about this stuff for the most part. They just say NO. The private sector doesn't necessarily get all worked up about it, either. Maybe if you work for Google. This isn't Google. It is time to quit eating their way through the day and start paying attention to the budget problems and educational needs. I am still waiting on details on the HS/MSPA situation-the organizational documents, the Morton's dinner, etc. They can either suffer with mileage or $11.50 or pay their way on their own. PB and J. As a taxpayer I feel no need to pay for $100 dinners at Morton's or really any type of meal for these meetings/social events. They are being paid six figures and if they want to go to a nice restaurant they can take their $11.50 and apply it or pay for the whole thing themselves. There's 25 at the high school level alone. I am seeing numerous meetings in the records.
I felt that the bulk of the account should be used on educational things for the children. But, that's me. I am entitled to my opinion. And I just am not seeing that. This account has evolved into a Party and Fine Dining account, as I told my School Board rep. As I have said before, I have a really hard time hearing about cutting services for the children, no money for copy paper and supplies for the teachers, etc., when the front office is spending a huge amount of time and money planning snacks/meals/golf etc. mostly for the staff, and lot of it for the Front Office.
The money is very tight right now and it is time to be tough about this. I was looking at about half a million dollars of complete garbage in these accounts, probably more. There is probably more going on with the other accounts. I read in the audit they were using appropriated funds for some of this stuff, and the new Guidelines gives them the permission to do so. So, our tax dollars will also be going for this stuff. Is that what you expect as a taxpayer?
I am still awaiting some information from Oakton, Herndon, Robinson, West Springfield, Westfield. I had also asked for some itemized receipts from the Annapolis boondoggle for Hayfield. Somehow I think I might not get some of these. That is SO not good. Keep looking. Oakton is WAY over the 12 days so I have asked for credit card statements, card assignment information, and travel documents since one place looks to be in California. The longer you stall the worse it is going to get. Just put it out there and get it over with. We paid for whatever went on, not you. Live and learn.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Booster money took
()
Date: October 04, 2014 09:16PM
Since we are shining the spotlight on misappropriation of funds, lets look at sports boosters.
They are non profit organizations and are prohibited from self dealing...aka rewarding their own members....and yet they do.
Each year many sports boosters offer scholarships. The stipulation is that the student's parents must be sports boosters. So if a kid, thru no fault of their own, wants to apply, they aren't eligible.
Considering that the majority of money raised by sports boosters comes from concession and merchandise sales (public money), corporate sponsorships (intended for all athletes-not booster offspring), and sports booster passes, which are monies that should flow thru the school's activity account, but instead goes to boosters.
They are non profit organizations and are prohibited from self dealing...aka rewarding their own members....and yet they do.
Each year many sports boosters offer scholarships. The stipulation is that the student's parents must be sports boosters. So if a kid, thru no fault of their own, wants to apply, they aren't eligible.
Considering that the majority of money raised by sports boosters comes from concession and merchandise sales (public money), corporate sponsorships (intended for all athletes-not booster offspring), and sports booster passes, which are monies that should flow thru the school's activity account, but instead goes to boosters.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
sick of paying for it
()
Date: October 05, 2014 09:14AM
The facts is spot on about this--pull the plug immediately! The problem is not one or two mistakes, its about a whole mentality.
The people treating themselves to lunch and dinner at the local corporate/lobbyist watering holes clearly view themselves as corporate types--CEOs and the like.
But they're not corporate manager--they're head babysitters, regardless of how much money goes through a given institution. They are not accountable to any P/L metrics, Sales benchmark, retention quotas or any other kind of executive would be which would justify these kinds of incentives. And the fact that they spent this money with no oversight or accountability, even to their own rules demonstrates that.
If they're spending the time trying to re-envision their jobs as corporate governance, then what else aren't they doing? Maybe this explains the Zero Tolerance fiasco as well, and other problems. Pull the plug, send the money to the classrooms and send the corporate wannabes to the real competition.
The people treating themselves to lunch and dinner at the local corporate/lobbyist watering holes clearly view themselves as corporate types--CEOs and the like.
But they're not corporate manager--they're head babysitters, regardless of how much money goes through a given institution. They are not accountable to any P/L metrics, Sales benchmark, retention quotas or any other kind of executive would be which would justify these kinds of incentives. And the fact that they spent this money with no oversight or accountability, even to their own rules demonstrates that.
If they're spending the time trying to re-envision their jobs as corporate governance, then what else aren't they doing? Maybe this explains the Zero Tolerance fiasco as well, and other problems. Pull the plug, send the money to the classrooms and send the corporate wannabes to the real competition.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 05, 2014 11:19AM
Booster money took Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Since we are shining the spotlight on
> misappropriation of funds, lets look at sports
> boosters.
>
> They are non profit organizations and are
> prohibited from self dealing...aka rewarding their
> own members....and yet they do.
>
> Each year many sports boosters offer scholarships.
> The stipulation is that the student's parents must
> be sports boosters. So if a kid, thru no fault of
> their own, wants to apply, they aren't eligible.
>
> Considering that the majority of money raised by
> sports boosters comes from concession and
> merchandise sales (public money), corporate
> sponsorships (intended for all athletes-not
> booster offspring), and sports booster passes,
> which are monies that should flow thru the
> school's activity account, but instead goes to
> boosters.
I am very familiar with Booster issues, but only from the Music side. I had numerous people ask about the sports Boosters. You people are going to have to fight your own battles. The music Boosters were in a different situation in that the music programs are CLASSES, which put them squarely under the Code of Virginia and the VAC (state educational laws). I don't know how it works with sports, since they are not classes. I am not familiar with the Virginia High School League and how it relates to the school system. Who is technically the sponsor of the sports games?
The school system is the sponsor of all music program trips and mandatory activities for the classes. They own all the equipment, instruments, and uniforms. So, anything associated with all this is public record and public funds. It got to the point where the Boosters thought these were THEIR programs, THEIR equipment, etc. No no no. A lot of school personnel also forgot these were school-sponsored things and what that meant. They tried to walk away from their responsibilities many, many times. I had to get very, very ugly to fix this situation and personally took it to the School Board. I drove a lot of people totally bonkers but that is their own fault.
Some of the music Booster groups were also doing college scholarships. Not only does that provide personal benefit, but it also moved the money out of the school program, which seemed to be in frank violation of many of their organizational documents, which declared that the purpose of the organization was to support the school music program. So, how does sending money to a college help the music program? I pointed this out to the Comptroller's office, but this is really a Booster issue. It is also an issue for the IRS.
There is a whole thread on music Booster groups. We had very serious issues with public records. I tried to get some and my Booster group refused to show them to me. I FOIA'd the school system and they didn't think they were their responsibility. WRONG. I kept telling them that it was their responsibility to produce public records. I finally got an informal opinion from the FOIA Council down in Richmond that the records created by music Boosters for school-sponsored activities were public records even though they were held by Boosters (on their computers, etc.), and thus the school system was still responsible for producing all those records under FOIA. An opinion on your situation can be easily obtained for free from The Council. You can either have it published on their website, or obtain an unpublished opinion. I went with unpublished as there were some issues that were not presented quite correctly, and while it would not have affected the final decision, I didn't want it out there like that. I FOIA-d everything under the sun (I started before I received this opinion because I found a similar published opinion that pointed out that if records are required then the public agency who allowed these records to be produced by an outside party is responsible for producing them, even if they are held by the outside party-no kidding) and got mountains of records and basically drove the school system insane, but again that is their own fault. The school system is totally aware of this records situation. They are and were the custodian of a Hell of a lot of public records held by music Boosters, THEY DON'T HAVE THEM, probably never will, got some, and that was a huge reason to move the records, money, and processes into a school computer system and bank account, etc.
I also had a hard time finding attorneys who were familiar with FOIA. The Virginia Coalition for Open Government might be able to link you up with an attorney well-versed in FOIA. Their counsel is out of Vienna. The Boosters also have records of their own, which do NOT fall under FOIA. The issue of sponsorship was the critical piece of the puzzle. I talked with a lot of very confused attorneys, trust me.
The merchandise sales are probably not public money. If the Boosters are buying the merchandise and selling it to the public as a fundraiser, then that is probably Booster records, NOT public records. One issue we ran into was the use of students in fundraisers. We had a heated debate about whether the use of students to fundraise mandates that the money be run through a school activity fund. There are two different regulations regarding this, and they conflict. There are still a lot of grey areas. The concessions might not be public record, either.
Good luck. I have spent the last three years working on this. It takes a very long time for things to change. They had initially talked about the sports programs falling under the new policies. Maybe they decided to focus on the music Boosters first since I was such a pest. These groups are fraught with internal politics, overzealous but well-meaning parents, some incredibly hardworking people, some really wonderful people, some real control freaks, and some real jerks. I dealt with them all. Gatehouse is incredibly slow, but when you finally can get them to move, they do fairly nice work. And you really have to follow up on things to make sure things in the trenches actually get done. That is where FOIA comes in.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Since we are shining the spotlight on
> misappropriation of funds, lets look at sports
> boosters.
>
> They are non profit organizations and are
> prohibited from self dealing...aka rewarding their
> own members....and yet they do.
>
> Each year many sports boosters offer scholarships.
> The stipulation is that the student's parents must
> be sports boosters. So if a kid, thru no fault of
> their own, wants to apply, they aren't eligible.
>
> Considering that the majority of money raised by
> sports boosters comes from concession and
> merchandise sales (public money), corporate
> sponsorships (intended for all athletes-not
> booster offspring), and sports booster passes,
> which are monies that should flow thru the
> school's activity account, but instead goes to
> boosters.
I am very familiar with Booster issues, but only from the Music side. I had numerous people ask about the sports Boosters. You people are going to have to fight your own battles. The music Boosters were in a different situation in that the music programs are CLASSES, which put them squarely under the Code of Virginia and the VAC (state educational laws). I don't know how it works with sports, since they are not classes. I am not familiar with the Virginia High School League and how it relates to the school system. Who is technically the sponsor of the sports games?
The school system is the sponsor of all music program trips and mandatory activities for the classes. They own all the equipment, instruments, and uniforms. So, anything associated with all this is public record and public funds. It got to the point where the Boosters thought these were THEIR programs, THEIR equipment, etc. No no no. A lot of school personnel also forgot these were school-sponsored things and what that meant. They tried to walk away from their responsibilities many, many times. I had to get very, very ugly to fix this situation and personally took it to the School Board. I drove a lot of people totally bonkers but that is their own fault.
Some of the music Booster groups were also doing college scholarships. Not only does that provide personal benefit, but it also moved the money out of the school program, which seemed to be in frank violation of many of their organizational documents, which declared that the purpose of the organization was to support the school music program. So, how does sending money to a college help the music program? I pointed this out to the Comptroller's office, but this is really a Booster issue. It is also an issue for the IRS.
There is a whole thread on music Booster groups. We had very serious issues with public records. I tried to get some and my Booster group refused to show them to me. I FOIA'd the school system and they didn't think they were their responsibility. WRONG. I kept telling them that it was their responsibility to produce public records. I finally got an informal opinion from the FOIA Council down in Richmond that the records created by music Boosters for school-sponsored activities were public records even though they were held by Boosters (on their computers, etc.), and thus the school system was still responsible for producing all those records under FOIA. An opinion on your situation can be easily obtained for free from The Council. You can either have it published on their website, or obtain an unpublished opinion. I went with unpublished as there were some issues that were not presented quite correctly, and while it would not have affected the final decision, I didn't want it out there like that. I FOIA-d everything under the sun (I started before I received this opinion because I found a similar published opinion that pointed out that if records are required then the public agency who allowed these records to be produced by an outside party is responsible for producing them, even if they are held by the outside party-no kidding) and got mountains of records and basically drove the school system insane, but again that is their own fault. The school system is totally aware of this records situation. They are and were the custodian of a Hell of a lot of public records held by music Boosters, THEY DON'T HAVE THEM, probably never will, got some, and that was a huge reason to move the records, money, and processes into a school computer system and bank account, etc.
I also had a hard time finding attorneys who were familiar with FOIA. The Virginia Coalition for Open Government might be able to link you up with an attorney well-versed in FOIA. Their counsel is out of Vienna. The Boosters also have records of their own, which do NOT fall under FOIA. The issue of sponsorship was the critical piece of the puzzle. I talked with a lot of very confused attorneys, trust me.
The merchandise sales are probably not public money. If the Boosters are buying the merchandise and selling it to the public as a fundraiser, then that is probably Booster records, NOT public records. One issue we ran into was the use of students in fundraisers. We had a heated debate about whether the use of students to fundraise mandates that the money be run through a school activity fund. There are two different regulations regarding this, and they conflict. There are still a lot of grey areas. The concessions might not be public record, either.
Good luck. I have spent the last three years working on this. It takes a very long time for things to change. They had initially talked about the sports programs falling under the new policies. Maybe they decided to focus on the music Boosters first since I was such a pest. These groups are fraught with internal politics, overzealous but well-meaning parents, some incredibly hardworking people, some really wonderful people, some real control freaks, and some real jerks. I dealt with them all. Gatehouse is incredibly slow, but when you finally can get them to move, they do fairly nice work. And you really have to follow up on things to make sure things in the trenches actually get done. That is where FOIA comes in.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 05, 2014 11:31AM
sick of paying for it Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The facts is spot on about this--pull the plug
> immediately! The problem is not one or two
> mistakes, its about a whole mentality.
>
> The people treating themselves to lunch and dinner
> at the local corporate/lobbyist watering holes
> clearly view themselves as corporate types--CEOs
> and the like.
>
> But they're not corporate manager--they're head
> babysitters, regardless of how much money goes
> through a given institution. They are not
> accountable to any P/L metrics, Sales benchmark,
> retention quotas or any other kind of executive
> would be which would justify these kinds of
> incentives. And the fact that they spent this
> money with no oversight or accountability, even to
> their own rules demonstrates that.
>
> If they're spending the time trying to re-envision
> their jobs as corporate governance, then what else
> aren't they doing? Maybe this explains the Zero
> Tolerance fiasco as well, and other problems. Pull
> the plug, send the money to the classrooms and
> send the corporate wannabes to the real
> competition.
I think a lot of what you are saying is very applicable. However, I have a real problem calling principals head babysitters, and people calling teachers glorified babysitters. I put two children through this school system and I am forever indebted that they helped me produce two children who excelled in college and the workforce. I could not have done it without them. They really fell on their faces with some of the money issues, though.
I agree that this fund was abused over the years. They were allowed to do whatever they felt was appropriate, and if golf and dinners at fancy restaurants sounded appropriate to them, well then, lucky for them. There wasn't any oversight, which was a big problem. This school system has a huge amount of money, and watching the little details got missed. Well, I found some of them.
The government is run very differently than a private corporation. When you are working with public money, you have a responsibility to the public. You are also governed by regulations and laws that are supposed to influence what you do with it. Supposedly. You also stand the chance that your slush fund is going to be posted on the Internet for the public to see and you are going to have some explaining to do.
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> The facts is spot on about this--pull the plug
> immediately! The problem is not one or two
> mistakes, its about a whole mentality.
>
> The people treating themselves to lunch and dinner
> at the local corporate/lobbyist watering holes
> clearly view themselves as corporate types--CEOs
> and the like.
>
> But they're not corporate manager--they're head
> babysitters, regardless of how much money goes
> through a given institution. They are not
> accountable to any P/L metrics, Sales benchmark,
> retention quotas or any other kind of executive
> would be which would justify these kinds of
> incentives. And the fact that they spent this
> money with no oversight or accountability, even to
> their own rules demonstrates that.
>
> If they're spending the time trying to re-envision
> their jobs as corporate governance, then what else
> aren't they doing? Maybe this explains the Zero
> Tolerance fiasco as well, and other problems. Pull
> the plug, send the money to the classrooms and
> send the corporate wannabes to the real
> competition.
I think a lot of what you are saying is very applicable. However, I have a real problem calling principals head babysitters, and people calling teachers glorified babysitters. I put two children through this school system and I am forever indebted that they helped me produce two children who excelled in college and the workforce. I could not have done it without them. They really fell on their faces with some of the money issues, though.
I agree that this fund was abused over the years. They were allowed to do whatever they felt was appropriate, and if golf and dinners at fancy restaurants sounded appropriate to them, well then, lucky for them. There wasn't any oversight, which was a big problem. This school system has a huge amount of money, and watching the little details got missed. Well, I found some of them.
The government is run very differently than a private corporation. When you are working with public money, you have a responsibility to the public. You are also governed by regulations and laws that are supposed to influence what you do with it. Supposedly. You also stand the chance that your slush fund is going to be posted on the Internet for the public to see and you are going to have some explaining to do.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
better in 20 years?
()
Date: October 05, 2014 11:45AM
"This school system has a huge amount of money, and watching the little details got missed. Well, I found some of them."
This. This amount of money and vastness has created a situation which some people have taken advantage of (or, if you prefer, rationalized to their advantage). There has to be a way to stop this from becoming ingrained in the culture of the FCPS organization. Other parts of the FCPS culture do not contribute to the core mission (educating students) either. Hopefully the SB and/or Garza can ferret out those rotting spots before they totally infect the core.
This. This amount of money and vastness has created a situation which some people have taken advantage of (or, if you prefer, rationalized to their advantage). There has to be a way to stop this from becoming ingrained in the culture of the FCPS organization. Other parts of the FCPS culture do not contribute to the core mission (educating students) either. Hopefully the SB and/or Garza can ferret out those rotting spots before they totally infect the core.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Not govt lover
()
Date: October 05, 2014 12:45PM
In this debate let's not glorify the government and their spending. There are probably more kickbacks, payoffs and more corruption in defense contracting then ever could be imagined. Occasionally the revolving door between the Pentagon and the beltway bandits hits a media snag, but not often enough!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 05, 2014 01:00PM
^Totally agree. However, some of the stuff that has been noted here is so plainly obvious. I know all about the Beltway bandits.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 05, 2014 01:04PM
Hey, there is a new School Activity Funds management regulation. Came out last week.
If the VHSL receipts are run through a school account, those are funds held for others. You should have no trouble getting those.
ECA-These funds should not be used to benefit individual school employees. Funds allocated for team building and staff appreciation events should be reasonable. (There was more in the Handbook.)
Gifts- using school activity funds to provide gifts to students, staff, and faculty members is prohibited.
All subject to interpretation, of course.
Attachments:
If the VHSL receipts are run through a school account, those are funds held for others. You should have no trouble getting those.
ECA-These funds should not be used to benefit individual school employees. Funds allocated for team building and staff appreciation events should be reasonable. (There was more in the Handbook.)
Gifts- using school activity funds to provide gifts to students, staff, and faculty members is prohibited.
All subject to interpretation, of course.
Attachments:
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 05, 2014 02:14PM
Booster money took Wrote:
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> Since we are shining the spotlight on
> misappropriation of funds, lets look at sports
> boosters.
>
> They are non profit organizations and are
> prohibited from self dealing...aka rewarding their
> own members....and yet they do.
>
> Each year many sports boosters offer scholarships.
> The stipulation is that the student's parents must
> be sports boosters. So if a kid, thru no fault of
> their own, wants to apply, they aren't eligible.
>
> Considering that the majority of money raised by
> sports boosters comes from concession and
> merchandise sales (public money), corporate
> sponsorships (intended for all athletes-not
> booster offspring), and sports booster passes,
> which are monies that should flow thru the
> school's activity account, but instead goes to
> boosters.
I think you are looking at two different things here. I did some brief research and it looks like gate receipts are run through a school account and then passed on to the VHSL, NOT Boosters. So you should be able to get those numbers. The money once it is passed to the VHSL is not required to be recorded in the school activity funds (unlike the music program trips, which were). So, once the money leaves the school system, the records are VHSL. They have to put out a public tax return every year, which doesn't show major details. Now, a member of a non-profit supposedly should be able to get records from the non-profit. The schools are "members" of the non-profit VHSL, right? The executive board consists of principals, Superintendents, somebody from the DOE, and some others. They can see everything. They are acting in their title of school officials. And, this money is generated by using students and school property. However, VHSL looks to be the sponsor.
So what exactly is the FOIA situation with something like this? Who dreamt this up?
More on the Booster situation next.
This is off-topic, but an interesting situation.....
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> Since we are shining the spotlight on
> misappropriation of funds, lets look at sports
> boosters.
>
> They are non profit organizations and are
> prohibited from self dealing...aka rewarding their
> own members....and yet they do.
>
> Each year many sports boosters offer scholarships.
> The stipulation is that the student's parents must
> be sports boosters. So if a kid, thru no fault of
> their own, wants to apply, they aren't eligible.
>
> Considering that the majority of money raised by
> sports boosters comes from concession and
> merchandise sales (public money), corporate
> sponsorships (intended for all athletes-not
> booster offspring), and sports booster passes,
> which are monies that should flow thru the
> school's activity account, but instead goes to
> boosters.
I think you are looking at two different things here. I did some brief research and it looks like gate receipts are run through a school account and then passed on to the VHSL, NOT Boosters. So you should be able to get those numbers. The money once it is passed to the VHSL is not required to be recorded in the school activity funds (unlike the music program trips, which were). So, once the money leaves the school system, the records are VHSL. They have to put out a public tax return every year, which doesn't show major details. Now, a member of a non-profit supposedly should be able to get records from the non-profit. The schools are "members" of the non-profit VHSL, right? The executive board consists of principals, Superintendents, somebody from the DOE, and some others. They can see everything. They are acting in their title of school officials. And, this money is generated by using students and school property. However, VHSL looks to be the sponsor.
So what exactly is the FOIA situation with something like this? Who dreamt this up?
More on the Booster situation next.
This is off-topic, but an interesting situation.....
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 05, 2014 02:22PM
Regarding the sports Boosters, look at the 5810 above, page 9. This is new. C.2. Revenue from cooperative activities, PTA, and booster clubs, involving property or students, must be recorded in the school activity funds. 3. Revenue from VHSL-sponsored activities must be accounted in the VHSL financial records only. (Except to the extent that they are temporarily parked in a school account. )
So, if the Boosters are using the students to help produce revenue, it looks like this should be accounted for in the school activity funds, even though it is for a student participating in a VHSL activity. Say, if they are going door to door soliciting funds for uniforms and the Boosters are running the fundraiser, that should be run through the school accounts. Or, if they use students to run a booth selling stuff.
Well I have to get some stuff done. Have fun scratching your heads on this stuff. I am staying out of this.
So, if the Boosters are using the students to help produce revenue, it looks like this should be accounted for in the school activity funds, even though it is for a student participating in a VHSL activity. Say, if they are going door to door soliciting funds for uniforms and the Boosters are running the fundraiser, that should be run through the school accounts. Or, if they use students to run a booth selling stuff.
Well I have to get some stuff done. Have fun scratching your heads on this stuff. I am staying out of this.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Booster self dealing
()
Date: October 05, 2014 04:19PM
I agree that gate receipts for sporting events go thru the school accounts. There is a 50/50 split between home and away teams for football.
The auditing for this collection sucks btw. They spot checked two games last year. Bill Curran runs athletics and his wife is an auditor just to show how legit it was.
The larger schools collects tons of cash thru the sports booster passes which lets you in to all he games. A family pass goes for about 250 bucks, so a school like Westfield might sell say 100 or more family passes, or 25k. This money stays with the boosters,it does not go thru school account. Many of these booters then offer scholarships to their members kids.
So basically you have school funds going to private scholarships. That's. Wrong.
The auditing for this collection sucks btw. They spot checked two games last year. Bill Curran runs athletics and his wife is an auditor just to show how legit it was.
The larger schools collects tons of cash thru the sports booster passes which lets you in to all he games. A family pass goes for about 250 bucks, so a school like Westfield might sell say 100 or more family passes, or 25k. This money stays with the boosters,it does not go thru school account. Many of these booters then offer scholarships to their members kids.
So basically you have school funds going to private scholarships. That's. Wrong.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts/non-profits
()
Date: October 05, 2014 04:39PM
I dusted off my tired brain and remembered that I had consulted the FOIA Council on non-profits when the whole music Booster fiasco started out. I am enclosing excerpts from that response. If the gate receipts are being sent to VHSL (a non-profit run by public school personnel, etc. funded by money generated from activities that students are in, which would most probably make these non-appropriated public funds), the opinion of the Virginia FOIA gurus is generally if two-thirds of the organization's total budget comes from public funds, it would be considered "principally" supported by public funds, and so subject to FOIA. The VHSL tax return form 990 is easily located on the Foundation Center website. From first glance, it looks like they probably meet the 2/3.
Read the attachment.
If any money is kept at the school level, it is certainly subject to FOIA.
There are supposed to be serially numbered tickets at all athletic and other paid events. Yes, they are subject to surprise audit. There are audit reports on the School Board website under School Board auditor. The number of tickets are used to calculate what the gate receipts should be to prevent pilfering. You have the right to FOIA the logs, then FOIA the accounting data showing the deposits and any transfers to the VHSL.
Anybody want to FOIA VHSL? I have done enough.
That is your Civics lesson for the day.
Attachments:
Read the attachment.
If any money is kept at the school level, it is certainly subject to FOIA.
There are supposed to be serially numbered tickets at all athletic and other paid events. Yes, they are subject to surprise audit. There are audit reports on the School Board website under School Board auditor. The number of tickets are used to calculate what the gate receipts should be to prevent pilfering. You have the right to FOIA the logs, then FOIA the accounting data showing the deposits and any transfers to the VHSL.
Anybody want to FOIA VHSL? I have done enough.
That is your Civics lesson for the day.
Attachments:
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 05, 2014 04:55PM
Booster self dealing Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I agree that gate receipts for sporting events go
> thru the school accounts. There is a 50/50 split
> between home and away teams for football.
>
> The auditing for this collection sucks btw. They
> spot checked two games last year. Bill Curran runs
> athletics and his wife is an auditor just to show
> how legit it was.
>
> The larger schools collects tons of cash thru the
> sports booster passes which lets you in to all he
> games. A family pass goes for about 250 bucks, so
> a school like Westfield might sell say 100 or more
> family passes, or 25k. This money stays with the
> boosters,it does not go thru school account. Many
> of these booters then offer scholarships to their
> members kids.
>
> So basically you have school funds going to
> private scholarships. That's. Wrong.
I am not that familiar with sports, but this might help.
One thing we straightened out in the course of our three year music program saga was that admission fees to curricular concerts could not be charged. Some Booster clubs were charging admission to these concerts and keeping the money. I objected strenuously.
It was also ascertained that any admission fees to any other student productions had to run through the school system, NOT a Booster organization.
I think you could easily take this sports issue up with the School Board Auditor. The contact information is on the FCPS website under School Board and then Auditor. You could send a copy to your School Board member. It would seem to make sense that the passes should be purchased from the school system, who then passes the money to the VHSL as per their agreement. Why don't you start a new thread and keep us posted? What portion of the gate receipts are retained by the school system instead of sending to the VHSL?
The issue of scholarships is still a big one, but is probably best determined by the IRS.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I agree that gate receipts for sporting events go
> thru the school accounts. There is a 50/50 split
> between home and away teams for football.
>
> The auditing for this collection sucks btw. They
> spot checked two games last year. Bill Curran runs
> athletics and his wife is an auditor just to show
> how legit it was.
>
> The larger schools collects tons of cash thru the
> sports booster passes which lets you in to all he
> games. A family pass goes for about 250 bucks, so
> a school like Westfield might sell say 100 or more
> family passes, or 25k. This money stays with the
> boosters,it does not go thru school account. Many
> of these booters then offer scholarships to their
> members kids.
>
> So basically you have school funds going to
> private scholarships. That's. Wrong.
I am not that familiar with sports, but this might help.
One thing we straightened out in the course of our three year music program saga was that admission fees to curricular concerts could not be charged. Some Booster clubs were charging admission to these concerts and keeping the money. I objected strenuously.
It was also ascertained that any admission fees to any other student productions had to run through the school system, NOT a Booster organization.
I think you could easily take this sports issue up with the School Board Auditor. The contact information is on the FCPS website under School Board and then Auditor. You could send a copy to your School Board member. It would seem to make sense that the passes should be purchased from the school system, who then passes the money to the VHSL as per their agreement. Why don't you start a new thread and keep us posted? What portion of the gate receipts are retained by the school system instead of sending to the VHSL?
The issue of scholarships is still a big one, but is probably best determined by the IRS.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 05, 2014 05:27PM
Another thing-are Boosters buying the passes from the school system, and then marking them up when they sell them to you and keeping the profit? The cost of the passes is basically gate receipts. They don't have a right to those.
I don't know anything about the sports programs. Good luck.
I do know that things had been done they way they had been doing them for a very, very long time with the music programs, and it wasn't until I pitched a holy fit and got completely obnoxious that anything got cleaned up. Just because something has always been done a certain way doesn't make it correct. This was a total mess.
I don't know anything about the sports programs. Good luck.
I do know that things had been done they way they had been doing them for a very, very long time with the music programs, and it wasn't until I pitched a holy fit and got completely obnoxious that anything got cleaned up. Just because something has always been done a certain way doesn't make it correct. This was a total mess.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
rest of the state
()
Date: October 05, 2014 06:12PM
Why does the rest of the state tend to not enforce these laws? Are they unaware?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 05, 2014 08:42PM
rest of the state Wrote:
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> Why does the rest of the state tend to not enforce
> these laws? Are they unaware?
I would say most Americans have never asked to see a public record. I think most don't realize how easy it is.
The music Booster situation I think happened because some people just made really bad decisions, maybe at a time when people were more trusting. When you are exhausted and busy, and group of volunteers says they can make your program into something big and are willing to do the work, you conveniently forget about the state laws. I heard a lot of "everybody else does it this way" as an excuse to perpetuate this situation. And I SAW everybody doing it this way. I just refused to give up my rights as a citizen to access public records on financial transactions that I had a direct interest in, and it took off from there. I wasn't taking any crap off of anybody. Most people would have given up. I hardly ever give up on anything. I am too stubborn. It was like pulling teeth to get that straightened out.
I think maybe educators don't have a lot of extensive training in public records and finances and ethics. Why else would they think a $30 breakfast, a $180 local hotel room, no itemized receipts, expensive local restaurants, etc. are appropriate? There were so many doing this, I think it is deeply imbedded in their culture. I simply could not grasp this. Maybe it is the area we live in. Maybe it is just pure greed on their part. Maybe they should have stayed in the classroom. I don't know. The School Board was rocking it up in MoCo, also.
I found a lot of people in this school system hadn't glanced at the school regulations. They were doing just whatever. The general public usually doesn't read them. I read them. I rammed them down their throats and wouldn't shut up. Their licenses and livelihood depend on them following them. We pay them to write them and they SHOULD follow them and I wasn't putting up with any arrogance. I pay their salaries, so FIX IT.
I noticed a lot of the other school systems either don't post their regulations online or they were very sketchy.
I think it is a combination of things.
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> Why does the rest of the state tend to not enforce
> these laws? Are they unaware?
I would say most Americans have never asked to see a public record. I think most don't realize how easy it is.
The music Booster situation I think happened because some people just made really bad decisions, maybe at a time when people were more trusting. When you are exhausted and busy, and group of volunteers says they can make your program into something big and are willing to do the work, you conveniently forget about the state laws. I heard a lot of "everybody else does it this way" as an excuse to perpetuate this situation. And I SAW everybody doing it this way. I just refused to give up my rights as a citizen to access public records on financial transactions that I had a direct interest in, and it took off from there. I wasn't taking any crap off of anybody. Most people would have given up. I hardly ever give up on anything. I am too stubborn. It was like pulling teeth to get that straightened out.
I think maybe educators don't have a lot of extensive training in public records and finances and ethics. Why else would they think a $30 breakfast, a $180 local hotel room, no itemized receipts, expensive local restaurants, etc. are appropriate? There were so many doing this, I think it is deeply imbedded in their culture. I simply could not grasp this. Maybe it is the area we live in. Maybe it is just pure greed on their part. Maybe they should have stayed in the classroom. I don't know. The School Board was rocking it up in MoCo, also.
I found a lot of people in this school system hadn't glanced at the school regulations. They were doing just whatever. The general public usually doesn't read them. I read them. I rammed them down their throats and wouldn't shut up. Their licenses and livelihood depend on them following them. We pay them to write them and they SHOULD follow them and I wasn't putting up with any arrogance. I pay their salaries, so FIX IT.
I noticed a lot of the other school systems either don't post their regulations online or they were very sketchy.
I think it is a combination of things.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
bar exam for teachers
()
Date: October 05, 2014 09:29PM
the facts Wrote:
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> I think maybe educators don't have a lot of
> extensive training in public records and finances
> and ethics.
Teachers shouldn't be allowed in the classroom until they pass an exam on the thousands of existing FCPS regulations.
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> I think maybe educators don't have a lot of
> extensive training in public records and finances
> and ethics.
Teachers shouldn't be allowed in the classroom until they pass an exam on the thousands of existing FCPS regulations.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
They are afraid
()
Date: October 05, 2014 11:55PM
I am surprised, given all your dealings with FCPS that you don't understand how it works.
No teacher would dare speak out and say anything bad about the man. Nor would they dare folia anything sketchy.
That would be career ending.
Why do you think parent coalitions fix everything.
Fair grade, sleep, zero Tolerance, cots, full day Mondays.
All parent led. Fcps never, repeats never, fixes anything.
No teacher would dare speak out and say anything bad about the man. Nor would they dare folia anything sketchy.
That would be career ending.
Why do you think parent coalitions fix everything.
Fair grade, sleep, zero Tolerance, cots, full day Mondays.
All parent led. Fcps never, repeats never, fixes anything.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 06, 2014 11:53AM
bar exam for teachers Wrote:
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> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I think maybe educators don't have a lot of
> > extensive training in public records and
> finances
> > and ethics.
>
>
> Teachers shouldn't be allowed in the classroom
> until they pass an exam on the thousands of
> existing FCPS regulations.
Administrators are educators. And teachers as well as administrators are required to follow the school regulations. It is part of your licensing requirements and your responsibilities as an employee. So, you ALL need to figure it out. Most of these are common sense. Obviously admins are responsible for overseeing all of this. They should have known better on a lot of this. Who in their right mind would think some of this was appropriate? Massages? Nats tickets? Parking tickets for faculty? Gourmet dinners? Come on.
-------------------------------------------------------
> the facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I think maybe educators don't have a lot of
> > extensive training in public records and
> finances
> > and ethics.
>
>
> Teachers shouldn't be allowed in the classroom
> until they pass an exam on the thousands of
> existing FCPS regulations.
Administrators are educators. And teachers as well as administrators are required to follow the school regulations. It is part of your licensing requirements and your responsibilities as an employee. So, you ALL need to figure it out. Most of these are common sense. Obviously admins are responsible for overseeing all of this. They should have known better on a lot of this. Who in their right mind would think some of this was appropriate? Massages? Nats tickets? Parking tickets for faculty? Gourmet dinners? Come on.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 06, 2014 12:34PM
Booster self dealing Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I agree that gate receipts for sporting events go
> thru the school accounts. There is a 50/50 split
> between home and away teams for football.
>
> The auditing for this collection sucks btw. They
> spot checked two games last year. Bill Curran runs
> athletics and his wife is an auditor just to show
> how legit it was.
>
> The larger schools collects tons of cash thru the
> sports booster passes which lets you in to all he
> games. A family pass goes for about 250 bucks, so
> a school like Westfield might sell say 100 or more
> family passes, or 25k. This money stays with the
> boosters,it does not go thru school account. Many
> of these booters then offer scholarships to their
> members kids.
>
> So basically you have school funds going to
> private scholarships. That's. Wrong.
I slept on this, looked at the pass information on a Booster website. This doesn't look any different to me than when some Booster groups were including admission to curricular concerts in their Booster dues. If non-Boosters paid at the door payments were going to the school front office. The Boosters I am sure kept all the dues that were paid to them. As I said, this was torpedoed. Any charges for admission to extracurricular concerts and things have to run through the school activity funds. That was cleared up last year. Supposedly.
It looks like Athletic Booster membership is optional for parents, so this is an optional thing to do, but that doesn't really seem to come into play here. It would make sense that admission money should go through the school system, and then you pay for membership in the Boosters if you want. They then help supplement the purchases. I assume you all are paying fees for your sport or activity, which go to the school system to fund certain things? Do you have uniform costs that are paid by each child? Who DOES fund the uniforms? Who SHOULD fund the uniforms? The coaches salaries are generally paid via the salary supplement (I can't remember right now about club sports). I know crew and some other club sports are managed differently.
The music situation got all messed up because the Boosters were independently drawing up these budgets and plans and determining how much each family should pay and sending them a bill. For a CLASS. Which is not in keeping with Virginia Educational Laws by any stretch of the imagination.
If the families are paying their admission fees to the Athletic Boosters, and NOTHING is going to the school accounts, then no money from these admission receipts is going to the VHSL to pay for whatever they pay for. I am getting the impression the schools keep some and some goes to the VHSL, probably to pay for officials, etc. that are used for teams across the state? So, the VHSL costs are shifted to other people who don't join Boosters.
Also, by doing this you are using public funds to fund a parent non-profit. And if they don't meet the two-thirds rule, then they are probably not subject to FOIA. Usage of public funds in this manner seems to constitute a gift/public financing to a parent Booster group, which is clearly prohibited in the 5810. They have made it very clear that these types of funds are public funds (in the opening paragraphs of the 5810). It looks like Boosters also have funds of their own (non-public funds) generated by fundraisers. Their college scholarship thing is downright strange, whether it be funded by public or private funds. That diverts money away from helping the school programs as well as providing a private benefit. We saw that with the Music Boosters, also.
I don't know enough about this. You are supposed to start with your principal. This issue sounds as complex as the Music Booster issue I grappled with for three years, which means it could then go on up to the Supers, the School Board auditor, the Financial people, and your School Board.
The bright side with this is that it is probably already with them because EVERYBODY is reading this thread. Good luck.
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> I agree that gate receipts for sporting events go
> thru the school accounts. There is a 50/50 split
> between home and away teams for football.
>
> The auditing for this collection sucks btw. They
> spot checked two games last year. Bill Curran runs
> athletics and his wife is an auditor just to show
> how legit it was.
>
> The larger schools collects tons of cash thru the
> sports booster passes which lets you in to all he
> games. A family pass goes for about 250 bucks, so
> a school like Westfield might sell say 100 or more
> family passes, or 25k. This money stays with the
> boosters,it does not go thru school account. Many
> of these booters then offer scholarships to their
> members kids.
>
> So basically you have school funds going to
> private scholarships. That's. Wrong.
I slept on this, looked at the pass information on a Booster website. This doesn't look any different to me than when some Booster groups were including admission to curricular concerts in their Booster dues. If non-Boosters paid at the door payments were going to the school front office. The Boosters I am sure kept all the dues that were paid to them. As I said, this was torpedoed. Any charges for admission to extracurricular concerts and things have to run through the school activity funds. That was cleared up last year. Supposedly.
It looks like Athletic Booster membership is optional for parents, so this is an optional thing to do, but that doesn't really seem to come into play here. It would make sense that admission money should go through the school system, and then you pay for membership in the Boosters if you want. They then help supplement the purchases. I assume you all are paying fees for your sport or activity, which go to the school system to fund certain things? Do you have uniform costs that are paid by each child? Who DOES fund the uniforms? Who SHOULD fund the uniforms? The coaches salaries are generally paid via the salary supplement (I can't remember right now about club sports). I know crew and some other club sports are managed differently.
The music situation got all messed up because the Boosters were independently drawing up these budgets and plans and determining how much each family should pay and sending them a bill. For a CLASS. Which is not in keeping with Virginia Educational Laws by any stretch of the imagination.
If the families are paying their admission fees to the Athletic Boosters, and NOTHING is going to the school accounts, then no money from these admission receipts is going to the VHSL to pay for whatever they pay for. I am getting the impression the schools keep some and some goes to the VHSL, probably to pay for officials, etc. that are used for teams across the state? So, the VHSL costs are shifted to other people who don't join Boosters.
Also, by doing this you are using public funds to fund a parent non-profit. And if they don't meet the two-thirds rule, then they are probably not subject to FOIA. Usage of public funds in this manner seems to constitute a gift/public financing to a parent Booster group, which is clearly prohibited in the 5810. They have made it very clear that these types of funds are public funds (in the opening paragraphs of the 5810). It looks like Boosters also have funds of their own (non-public funds) generated by fundraisers. Their college scholarship thing is downright strange, whether it be funded by public or private funds. That diverts money away from helping the school programs as well as providing a private benefit. We saw that with the Music Boosters, also.
I don't know enough about this. You are supposed to start with your principal. This issue sounds as complex as the Music Booster issue I grappled with for three years, which means it could then go on up to the Supers, the School Board auditor, the Financial people, and your School Board.
The bright side with this is that it is probably already with them because EVERYBODY is reading this thread. Good luck.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
fyi........
()
Date: October 06, 2014 01:07PM
Page 76. Your professional licenses may be suspended for failure or refusal to follow school regulations. There are also sections on cancelation and revocation that bear reading.
So, it makes sense to read the school regulations.
Have a nice week and thank you for your hard work.
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So, it makes sense to read the school regulations.
Have a nice week and thank you for your hard work.
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Posted by:
fyi.........
()
Date: October 06, 2014 01:09PM
^^^The page reads 75 in the document, but 76 in the overlay page reader.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-athletics
()
Date: October 06, 2014 02:17PM
Booster money took Wrote:
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> Since we are shining the spotlight on
> misappropriation of funds, lets look at sports
> boosters.
>
> They are non profit organizations and are
> prohibited from self dealing...aka rewarding their
> own members....and yet they do.
>
> Each year many sports boosters offer scholarships.
> The stipulation is that the student's parents must
> be sports boosters. So if a kid, thru no fault of
> their own, wants to apply, they aren't eligible.
>
> Considering that the majority of money raised by
> sports boosters comes from concession and
> merchandise sales (public money), corporate
> sponsorships (intended for all athletes-not
> booster offspring), and sports booster passes,
> which are monies that should flow thru the
> school's activity account, but instead goes to
> boosters.
I started a new thread for you..............
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> Since we are shining the spotlight on
> misappropriation of funds, lets look at sports
> boosters.
>
> They are non profit organizations and are
> prohibited from self dealing...aka rewarding their
> own members....and yet they do.
>
> Each year many sports boosters offer scholarships.
> The stipulation is that the student's parents must
> be sports boosters. So if a kid, thru no fault of
> their own, wants to apply, they aren't eligible.
>
> Considering that the majority of money raised by
> sports boosters comes from concession and
> merchandise sales (public money), corporate
> sponsorships (intended for all athletes-not
> booster offspring), and sports booster passes,
> which are monies that should flow thru the
> school's activity account, but instead goes to
> boosters.
I started a new thread for you..............
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
3Dekx
()
Date: October 06, 2014 04:47PM
I don't know of any scholarships that athletics boosters are giving out at my son's school. I do know the VHSL collects the receipts from the conference/regional/state games, because the booster pass I optionally purchase only works for regular season home games. I'm pretty sure boosters raised money and took out loans to have turf put in...which seems like an appropriate use of athletic money. In my experience, the teams help raise the money for their uniforms. For one year, FCPS was charging $100/fee per sport and then that stopped.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
bar exam for teachers
()
Date: October 06, 2014 05:30PM
the facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> bar exam for teachers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the facts Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > I think maybe educators don't have a lot of
> > > extensive training in public records and
> > finances
> > > and ethics.
> >
> >
> > Teachers shouldn't be allowed in the classroom
> > until they pass an exam on the thousands of
> > existing FCPS regulations.
>
>
> Administrators are educators. And teachers as well
> as administrators are required to follow the
> school regulations. It is part of your licensing
> requirements and your responsibilities as an
> employee. So, you ALL need to figure it out. Most
> of these are common sense. Obviously admins are
> responsible for overseeing all of this. They
> should have known better on a lot of this. Who in
> their right mind would think some of this was
> appropriate? Massages? Nats tickets? Parking
> tickets for faculty? Gourmet dinners? Come on.
We need a stiffer process for becoming a licensed teacher. It really should be like passing the bar exam. Otherwise, how can we really know that all our teachers are versed in the regulations?
-------------------------------------------------------
> bar exam for teachers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the facts Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > I think maybe educators don't have a lot of
> > > extensive training in public records and
> > finances
> > > and ethics.
> >
> >
> > Teachers shouldn't be allowed in the classroom
> > until they pass an exam on the thousands of
> > existing FCPS regulations.
>
>
> Administrators are educators. And teachers as well
> as administrators are required to follow the
> school regulations. It is part of your licensing
> requirements and your responsibilities as an
> employee. So, you ALL need to figure it out. Most
> of these are common sense. Obviously admins are
> responsible for overseeing all of this. They
> should have known better on a lot of this. Who in
> their right mind would think some of this was
> appropriate? Massages? Nats tickets? Parking
> tickets for faculty? Gourmet dinners? Come on.
We need a stiffer process for becoming a licensed teacher. It really should be like passing the bar exam. Otherwise, how can we really know that all our teachers are versed in the regulations?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
BS in sense
()
Date: October 06, 2014 05:52PM
I honestly think common sense would do for most things, but obviously common sense is not all that common.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: October 07, 2014 06:54AM
BS in sense Wrote:
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> I honestly think common sense would do for most
> things, but obviously common sense is not all that
> common.
Exactly what I said.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I honestly think common sense would do for most
> things, but obviously common sense is not all that
> common.
Exactly what I said.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Biggest fraud of all
()
Date: October 08, 2014 12:54AM
Vending and parking fees are chump change compared to the money a school can make off of "community use".
Keep in mind that community use actually runs a deficit each year but the schools still get to keep a piece of the profits...when actually there are no profits.
Our hs dsa is wheeling and dealing with outside groups in giving away field and gym usage. The coaches have a hard time getting gym time for green days because she will sell gym time six months in advance.
Unfortunately it is the wild west with fees. Outside for profit groups pay a ton, or are supposed to pay a ton, to use fcps facilities, but they don't.
Let's say a private individual wants to run a kids basketball camp at a school. They should pay this higher fee but they don't. The dsa will cut a deal and say, well let some of our kids attend your camp for free and we will give you a discount.
It is a mess.
Keep in mind that community use actually runs a deficit each year but the schools still get to keep a piece of the profits...when actually there are no profits.
Our hs dsa is wheeling and dealing with outside groups in giving away field and gym usage. The coaches have a hard time getting gym time for green days because she will sell gym time six months in advance.
Unfortunately it is the wild west with fees. Outside for profit groups pay a ton, or are supposed to pay a ton, to use fcps facilities, but they don't.
Let's say a private individual wants to run a kids basketball camp at a school. They should pay this higher fee but they don't. The dsa will cut a deal and say, well let some of our kids attend your camp for free and we will give you a discount.
It is a mess.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
watching henhouse
()
Date: October 08, 2014 08:06AM
^ I thought they had an accountability office in Gatehouse. What do those people do?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Perhaps.......
()
Date: October 09, 2014 08:33AM
Biggest fraud of all Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vending and parking fees are chump change compared
> to the money a school can make off of "community
> use".
>
> Keep in mind that community use actually runs a
> deficit each year but the schools still get to
> keep a piece of the profits...when actually there
> are no profits.
>
> Our hs dsa is wheeling and dealing with outside
> groups in giving away field and gym usage. The
> coaches have a hard time getting gym time for
> green days because she will sell gym time six
> months in advance.
>
> Unfortunately it is the wild west with fees.
> Outside for profit groups pay a ton, or are
> supposed to pay a ton, to use fcps facilities, but
> they don't.
>
> Let's say a private individual wants to run a kids
> basketball camp at a school. They should pay this
> higher fee but they don't. The dsa will cut a deal
> and say, well let some of our kids attend your
> camp for free and we will give you a discount.
>
> It is a mess.
This sounds like a huge issue. Who handles fraud in the school system?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vending and parking fees are chump change compared
> to the money a school can make off of "community
> use".
>
> Keep in mind that community use actually runs a
> deficit each year but the schools still get to
> keep a piece of the profits...when actually there
> are no profits.
>
> Our hs dsa is wheeling and dealing with outside
> groups in giving away field and gym usage. The
> coaches have a hard time getting gym time for
> green days because she will sell gym time six
> months in advance.
>
> Unfortunately it is the wild west with fees.
> Outside for profit groups pay a ton, or are
> supposed to pay a ton, to use fcps facilities, but
> they don't.
>
> Let's say a private individual wants to run a kids
> basketball camp at a school. They should pay this
> higher fee but they don't. The dsa will cut a deal
> and say, well let some of our kids attend your
> camp for free and we will give you a discount.
>
> It is a mess.
This sounds like a huge issue. Who handles fraud in the school system?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Bullshit alarm
()
Date: October 09, 2014 09:33AM
The facility usage fees are determined,assessed, and collected centrally via Community Use. So they say........
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Auditors are joke
()
Date: October 10, 2014 10:08PM
Nobody in fcps rats on anyone so fraud is rampant.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-fun with FOIA
()
Date: October 18, 2014 10:29AM
Wrapping up the restaurant/expense tour, for now-
Nobody can produce any more itemized receipts. Nobody can produce any more legible receipts. Some expenses are conveniently/mercifully outside of the records retention period. Some just can't find the darn things at all. They are working on improving the system. I would hope so. I could do a pile more requests but I think people got the idea of what is going on. Sketchy records, non-existent records, etc.
I was sent a notice on October 9th that I had many overdue FOIA bills (I have 30 days to pay them) and I was no longer welcome in the FOIA department. The bills were dated Sept. 17th, 22nd, and 25th. I checked the calendar, did the math, and asked for an explanation. I haven't heard back. They have all since been paid. I am back in business!!!! (This all technically public record, so what the Hell. I got a laugh out of it.)
I received organizational documents on the High School and Middle School Principals Associations. They are basically "wholly or principally publicly funded organizations" (which make them subject to FOIA), use the FCPS IRS ID number (which additionally makes them public), run the money through a public account, but declare that their meetings are confidential(?!). Do they have the right to also withhold this information from their superiors? I have copies of a Charter and Bylaws. Remember, we all pay for their dues, golf, restaurants, meals, refreshments, hotel rooms, etc. from school activity funds. I think if they want to meet and talk with total confidentiality (there are specific exclusions on what can be classified as a closed meeting and the whole meeting can't be closed-just those parts that are excluded) they need to do one of two things-
1-Get their own IRS ID number. Be approved as a certified employee organization. They could probably be FOIA-exempt with this, because they would pay for their own stuff (dues, meals, golf) out of THEIR personal bank accounts so they are NOT PUBLICLY FUNDED. Representatives are supposed to meet periodically with School Board and Superintendents. They would receive free use of public facilities for their meetings. They can do payroll deduction for their dues, get organizational leave, etc. Somebody in charge would have to sign a statement say they would agree to not impede the functioning of government or try to overthrow it(!).
2-Skip the tax ID number, etc. Ditch the charter and Bylaws. Just go out to Morton's, go golfing, etc, talk, and pay for it themselves.
Some of the meetings/events are probably actually work, so they should be able to get mileage or the $11.50 for those with either option. Some AREN'T work (like golf, holiday dinners, etc.). Some of the meetings are actually during the school day. People have meetings all the time at work. People who work together also go out to eat together and go Dutch. Two entirely different things. This is tricky. We shouldn't have to pay for some of this. We shouldn't have to pay for a LOT of this.
Either way, that might help with the $100 Morton's dinners and $180 hotel rooms. It would also allow them to talk in secret, at least sometimes. They have a right to do that. No problem. A win-win situation.
Thoughts?
Have nice weekend.
Nobody can produce any more itemized receipts. Nobody can produce any more legible receipts. Some expenses are conveniently/mercifully outside of the records retention period. Some just can't find the darn things at all. They are working on improving the system. I would hope so. I could do a pile more requests but I think people got the idea of what is going on. Sketchy records, non-existent records, etc.
I was sent a notice on October 9th that I had many overdue FOIA bills (I have 30 days to pay them) and I was no longer welcome in the FOIA department. The bills were dated Sept. 17th, 22nd, and 25th. I checked the calendar, did the math, and asked for an explanation. I haven't heard back. They have all since been paid. I am back in business!!!! (This all technically public record, so what the Hell. I got a laugh out of it.)
I received organizational documents on the High School and Middle School Principals Associations. They are basically "wholly or principally publicly funded organizations" (which make them subject to FOIA), use the FCPS IRS ID number (which additionally makes them public), run the money through a public account, but declare that their meetings are confidential(?!). Do they have the right to also withhold this information from their superiors? I have copies of a Charter and Bylaws. Remember, we all pay for their dues, golf, restaurants, meals, refreshments, hotel rooms, etc. from school activity funds. I think if they want to meet and talk with total confidentiality (there are specific exclusions on what can be classified as a closed meeting and the whole meeting can't be closed-just those parts that are excluded) they need to do one of two things-
1-Get their own IRS ID number. Be approved as a certified employee organization. They could probably be FOIA-exempt with this, because they would pay for their own stuff (dues, meals, golf) out of THEIR personal bank accounts so they are NOT PUBLICLY FUNDED. Representatives are supposed to meet periodically with School Board and Superintendents. They would receive free use of public facilities for their meetings. They can do payroll deduction for their dues, get organizational leave, etc. Somebody in charge would have to sign a statement say they would agree to not impede the functioning of government or try to overthrow it(!).
2-Skip the tax ID number, etc. Ditch the charter and Bylaws. Just go out to Morton's, go golfing, etc, talk, and pay for it themselves.
Some of the meetings/events are probably actually work, so they should be able to get mileage or the $11.50 for those with either option. Some AREN'T work (like golf, holiday dinners, etc.). Some of the meetings are actually during the school day. People have meetings all the time at work. People who work together also go out to eat together and go Dutch. Two entirely different things. This is tricky. We shouldn't have to pay for some of this. We shouldn't have to pay for a LOT of this.
Either way, that might help with the $100 Morton's dinners and $180 hotel rooms. It would also allow them to talk in secret, at least sometimes. They have a right to do that. No problem. A win-win situation.
Thoughts?
Have nice weekend.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts-fun with FOIA
()
Date: October 18, 2014 10:33AM
Check out the definitions of a public body, meeting, closed meeting, and exclusions.
What do you all think?
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What do you all think?
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
+100000000
()
Date: October 18, 2014 02:26PM
Clean it up. That money is supposed to be used for educational purposes. These people should be fined.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Fined?
()
Date: October 18, 2014 08:10PM
^^^^^^must be a typo. FIRED is more like it. Damndest association I ever heard of. Publicly funded shenanigans. More citizen abuse.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Right.
()
Date: October 19, 2014 09:15AM
These sound like trumped up names for expensive staff meetings and staff parties for the principals.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Former PTA Board Member
()
Date: October 19, 2014 05:16PM
I was on the PTA board of an Elememtary School. When we attended Fairfax County PTA training (for PTA Presidents, treasurers etc) we were told you can not bring any $ forward to the next year. Or a very small amount (maybe $5000 for fall expeditures) So my guess is they had $19,000 in the fund and moved the money to various accounts or payments so they had a zero balance at the start of the next year. Then showed it as negative ...all used uomformtheir pet ...ie favorite uses. Our PTA paid for our principles to attend a leadership conference (Virginia Beach). It cost a lot of money in late June for those hotel rooms etc. I heard it is one big party on us the sucker parents. Our elementary principle is a carbon copy of the woman who was his mentor. He talks to the parents like they are in kindergarten! Drives ever crazy!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
U r crazy
()
Date: October 19, 2014 06:57PM
You took money raised by families and sent them to the beach? In June? You do realize they are making over $100,000 a year.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
DeniseB
()
Date: October 20, 2014 07:52PM
it sounds we are paying for a private club.why?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Marky
()
Date: October 24, 2014 08:47AM
What's for lunch?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Fcps announcement
()
Date: October 24, 2014 09:09AM
There will be a meeting regarding the new start times for all high school and middle school principals tonight at 4pm at Clyde's/Tyson's.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
The facts
()
Date: December 22, 2014 10:30AM
Citizens-there is a new revised local and non-local travel regulation.
Some things are similar, some different.
"Ensure that expenses are necessary and reasonable." Oh dear.
"Use sound judgment." Oh my.
"Provide a detailed justification.." I would hope so.
"Supporting documentation..." (Does that mean receipts that are legible, even three years later? I hope so.)
The same $11.50 or mileage for after-hours local meetings and work-related activities, unless receiving a stipend or salary supplement. No entitlement to that on Back to School Night is still in here. So, Chipotle and Subway instead of Artie's and Four Sisters unless you want to foot the bill for the extra.
***Page 4 B. 4. says employees who are required to attend an official (local) function representing FCPS will be allowed up to the prevailing GSA meal per diem. Don't know about this. This looks like a loophole. What is the clear difference between an after-hours meeting or work-related activity ($11.50) and a meal during the workday (which the employee should have to pay for) and an "official function representing FCPS"? This is grey. But, $75-$100 publicly funded dinners at Morton's or Capital Grille or Wildfire clearly don't meet any of these situations. I would hope this apparent per diem loophole will be closely monitored.
They are including mileage and registration fees for conferences, training, and seminars in the greater Washington metropolitan area under NONlocal travel. This is so that they are pre-approved, which non-local travel does not normally require. So, are they excluding a per diem meal at local conferences? I would hope so.
An FCPS PCard may not be used to purchase meals for nonlocal travel. How about the School Board going off per diem and going to The Court of Two Sisters in New Orleans and buying everything from appetizers to flaming bananas with public funds on the Chairman's PCard? Or Georges at the Cove, etc.? This was already also in the old regulation. Didn't do us a lot of good.
Page 6.B.2. Maybe they need to add WiFi fees and room service to the no reimbursement list, along with the movies, laundry, and mini-bar. Another thing to note is that a lot of hotels include breakfast with the room charge. Don't know how they work this on per diem. When you are dealing with thousands of employees, it all adds up. If you are offered a full hot breakfast buffet at the Hampton Inn that we are paying for, why should we be paying per diem for breakfast? They already exclude per diem for meals included with a function being attended.
The Big Question here is WHO IS GOING TO MONITOR WHAT WAS AN OUT-OF-CONTROL SITUATION? The people who were out-of-control? Am I going to have to pull more records??????????? Are there consequences, such as "your wages will be garnished for failure to comply"? I hope so.
Those property taxes and parking fees just never stop, do they?
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Some things are similar, some different.
"Ensure that expenses are necessary and reasonable." Oh dear.
"Use sound judgment." Oh my.
"Provide a detailed justification.." I would hope so.
"Supporting documentation..." (Does that mean receipts that are legible, even three years later? I hope so.)
The same $11.50 or mileage for after-hours local meetings and work-related activities, unless receiving a stipend or salary supplement. No entitlement to that on Back to School Night is still in here. So, Chipotle and Subway instead of Artie's and Four Sisters unless you want to foot the bill for the extra.
***Page 4 B. 4. says employees who are required to attend an official (local) function representing FCPS will be allowed up to the prevailing GSA meal per diem. Don't know about this. This looks like a loophole. What is the clear difference between an after-hours meeting or work-related activity ($11.50) and a meal during the workday (which the employee should have to pay for) and an "official function representing FCPS"? This is grey. But, $75-$100 publicly funded dinners at Morton's or Capital Grille or Wildfire clearly don't meet any of these situations. I would hope this apparent per diem loophole will be closely monitored.
They are including mileage and registration fees for conferences, training, and seminars in the greater Washington metropolitan area under NONlocal travel. This is so that they are pre-approved, which non-local travel does not normally require. So, are they excluding a per diem meal at local conferences? I would hope so.
An FCPS PCard may not be used to purchase meals for nonlocal travel. How about the School Board going off per diem and going to The Court of Two Sisters in New Orleans and buying everything from appetizers to flaming bananas with public funds on the Chairman's PCard? Or Georges at the Cove, etc.? This was already also in the old regulation. Didn't do us a lot of good.
Page 6.B.2. Maybe they need to add WiFi fees and room service to the no reimbursement list, along with the movies, laundry, and mini-bar. Another thing to note is that a lot of hotels include breakfast with the room charge. Don't know how they work this on per diem. When you are dealing with thousands of employees, it all adds up. If you are offered a full hot breakfast buffet at the Hampton Inn that we are paying for, why should we be paying per diem for breakfast? They already exclude per diem for meals included with a function being attended.
The Big Question here is WHO IS GOING TO MONITOR WHAT WAS AN OUT-OF-CONTROL SITUATION? The people who were out-of-control? Am I going to have to pull more records??????????? Are there consequences, such as "your wages will be garnished for failure to comply"? I hope so.
Those property taxes and parking fees just never stop, do they?
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Posted by:
Truthbetold4307
()
Date: December 22, 2014 01:01PM
I am a tax paying Fairfax County resident. I would like people to stop berating the school system over expenditures that happened years ago. Focus on the last six months particularly under the new regulations with the new superintendent. If things have changed and there's no more lunches at Morton's then we're headed in the right direction. And people can quit complaining. Your incessant needling into school finances can cease as school administrators are quite possibly doing what they're supposed to be doing with money. Spend your time looking at current practices and stop complaining about the old. Speaking of your time, how does any one person have the time to collect all of this information anyway? And even better yet who has such a boring meaningless life that this is the kind of thing that you spend your time doing?? But thanks for the entertainment!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
trip
()
Date: December 22, 2014 01:26PM
the facts-West Potomac Wrote:
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> We are just about wrapping up the restaurant tour.
> Indigo Landing for Admin Support, $35 per person.
> Mike's American Grill for the Admin Team at $28
> per person.
>
> I am sure you realize that the restaurant reports
> were merely skimming the surface of thousands of
> entries.
extra tip?
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> We are just about wrapping up the restaurant tour.
> Indigo Landing for Admin Support, $35 per person.
> Mike's American Grill for the Admin Team at $28
> per person.
>
> I am sure you realize that the restaurant reports
> were merely skimming the surface of thousands of
> entries.
extra tip?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
The facts
()
Date: December 22, 2014 01:28PM
Actually they need to berated and reminded of the ridiculous expenditures that were as recent as the last six months to a year. The new regulations just came out in September or so. Unless somebody is paying attention and enforcing these, they mean nothing and will accomplish nothing.
Want me to start looking again? No problem. There is a long ways to go with this. This is just the initial three months or so. You don't fix these kinds of problems overnight.
I look at some of things people do with their spare time that accomplish very little to benefit society. I think monitoring and reining in wasteful government spending is a very worthy thing to do. I think the people doing the wasteful spending are the ones with boring meaningless lives. They were crying about no time and no money to educate the children, while they were dropping the county credit cards all over the county and country and throwing parties and stuff.
But, you can say whatever you want.
Want me to start looking again? No problem. There is a long ways to go with this. This is just the initial three months or so. You don't fix these kinds of problems overnight.
I look at some of things people do with their spare time that accomplish very little to benefit society. I think monitoring and reining in wasteful government spending is a very worthy thing to do. I think the people doing the wasteful spending are the ones with boring meaningless lives. They were crying about no time and no money to educate the children, while they were dropping the county credit cards all over the county and country and throwing parties and stuff.
But, you can say whatever you want.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Happy New Year taxpayers
()
Date: December 31, 2014 10:35AM
More problems up in Maryland with the credit cards held by the School Board members of PG County (Montgomery County also had a problem reported here).
The only School Board member in Fairfax County holding a county credit card is the Chairman. The one that went for appetizers and flaming bananas in New Orleans and that was also used to pay for meals for some spouses (we were reimbursed for those meals).
I personally love the idea of having people pay for personal stuff and then asking to be reimbursed. Makes you think twice when you stand the possibility of not getting paid back. I can think of a lot of people who need to do this. The FCPS policy is to use the pcards rather than make a habit of this, but if the things being purchased are not clearly something the county should pay for.....
Attachments:
The only School Board member in Fairfax County holding a county credit card is the Chairman. The one that went for appetizers and flaming bananas in New Orleans and that was also used to pay for meals for some spouses (we were reimbursed for those meals).
I personally love the idea of having people pay for personal stuff and then asking to be reimbursed. Makes you think twice when you stand the possibility of not getting paid back. I can think of a lot of people who need to do this. The FCPS policy is to use the pcards rather than make a habit of this, but if the things being purchased are not clearly something the county should pay for.....
Attachments:
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
GjiXfRt
()
Date: December 31, 2014 08:13PM
Happy New Year taxpayers Wrote:
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> More problems up in Maryland with the credit cards
> held by the School Board members of PG County
> (Montgomery County also had a problem reported
> here).
>
> The only School Board member in Fairfax County
> holding a county credit card is the Chairman. The
> one that went for appetizers and flaming bananas
> in New Orleans and that was also used to pay for
> meals for some spouses (we were reimbursed for
> those meals).
>
> I personally love the idea of having people pay
> for personal stuff and then asking to be
> reimbursed. Makes you think twice when you stand
> the possibility of not getting paid back. I can
> think of a lot of people who need to do this. The
> FCPS policy is to use the pcards rather than make
> a habit of this, but if the things being purchased
> are not clearly something the county should pay
> for.....
When u r running the joint of course you haven't done anything wrong. Love the article.
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> More problems up in Maryland with the credit cards
> held by the School Board members of PG County
> (Montgomery County also had a problem reported
> here).
>
> The only School Board member in Fairfax County
> holding a county credit card is the Chairman. The
> one that went for appetizers and flaming bananas
> in New Orleans and that was also used to pay for
> meals for some spouses (we were reimbursed for
> those meals).
>
> I personally love the idea of having people pay
> for personal stuff and then asking to be
> reimbursed. Makes you think twice when you stand
> the possibility of not getting paid back. I can
> think of a lot of people who need to do this. The
> FCPS policy is to use the pcards rather than make
> a habit of this, but if the things being purchased
> are not clearly something the county should pay
> for.....
When u r running the joint of course you haven't done anything wrong. Love the article.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
meeting 1/8/15
()
Date: January 07, 2015 04:12PM
There will be a dinner meeting for all FCPS administrators at Sea Pearl Thursday evening, 1/8/15, at 5pm (just before the budget presentation). Use of the county credit cards is authorized for this special function.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
SB wants salary doubled
()
Date: January 07, 2015 05:10PM
^Is this why they want their salary doubled (b/c they no longer have the credit card)?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
No.,.,,.,
()
Date: January 07, 2015 05:49PM
SB members did not have credit cards. Only the Chairman.^^^^^
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
more facts
()
Date: March 09, 2015 09:57AM
Here are some more recent records on the Fun and Games/Slush Fund accounts. These are from this fall to present. There are still big luncheons, some admins, etc. etc. etc. Take a look and see if you think things are improved or not. Remember, under the new Financial Guidelines they can still do some of this stuff.
There are both ECA and Admin accounts here as the request was expanded to cover the accounts where monopole money and some other things are now going. Monopole money used to go into the ECA account. It now goes into an Admin account.
Let me put it this way-----ECA money can be used for supplemental Finance Tech support to help process student fees. They are using parent volunteers to do this right now because they say they don't have enough Finance Tech support. Should this money be used for what we are seeing here, or for more Finance Tech support so that volunteers don't have to take time away from their personal lives and maybe their real jobs and their families to do this kind of work?
Attachments:
There are both ECA and Admin accounts here as the request was expanded to cover the accounts where monopole money and some other things are now going. Monopole money used to go into the ECA account. It now goes into an Admin account.
Let me put it this way-----ECA money can be used for supplemental Finance Tech support to help process student fees. They are using parent volunteers to do this right now because they say they don't have enough Finance Tech support. Should this money be used for what we are seeing here, or for more Finance Tech support so that volunteers don't have to take time away from their personal lives and maybe their real jobs and their families to do this kind of work?
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
()
Date: March 09, 2015 11:16AM
Yawn.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
right...........
()
Date: March 09, 2015 11:22AM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Wrote:
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> Yawn.
This thread has had over 30,000 views because it is boring.
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> Yawn.
This thread has had over 30,000 views because it is boring.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
equality operator
()
Date: March 09, 2015 12:55PM
Is this parking slush fund more or less money than the Boosterthon slush fund?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Bigger than a breadbox...
()
Date: March 09, 2015 02:27PM
^^^More.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Corkscrew logic
()
Date: March 10, 2015 11:40AM
So I think what Facts is pointing out is that the school system not only says they don't have enough money, but they ask volunteers to do their work for them, then they send out for pizza, etc. using the money that they could use for extra people to do their work so the volunteers could work at their paid jobs and not pay for child care so they can help out, etc. because the new guidelines now condone sending out for pizza, etc.?
Okay........
Okay........
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
question then
()
Date: March 10, 2015 02:43PM
right........... Wrote:
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> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yawn.
>
>
> This thread has had over 30,000 views because it
> is boring.
So, the Mike O'Meara thread would be super exciting per your logic...you must spend most of your day looking at those non-yawn-worthy posts while your husband is at work, and you are sitting around trying to think of better ways to be a helicopter parent.
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> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yawn.
>
>
> This thread has had over 30,000 views because it
> is boring.
So, the Mike O'Meara thread would be super exciting per your logic...you must spend most of your day looking at those non-yawn-worthy posts while your husband is at work, and you are sitting around trying to think of better ways to be a helicopter parent.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
kk
()
Date: March 25, 2015 07:42PM
how about for this year
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
9xv6G
()
Date: March 25, 2015 08:43PM
slush funds were illegal even for Congress in the USA, until Clinton democrats (hostile takeover)
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Pe6wF
()
Date: March 25, 2015 08:44PM
you talk all you want
i remember it quite well
and i remember conservatives calling them criminals for unlocking the bank door
i remember it quite well
and i remember conservatives calling them criminals for unlocking the bank door
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Accounting question
()
Date: March 25, 2015 10:22PM
How do they have a negative balance?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Scary $
()
Date: March 26, 2015 06:52AM
Accounting question Wrote:
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> How do they have a negative balance?
Good point. They basically lump a lot of the non-appropriated public funds into one big pool of money, then subdivide the money into different accounts to keep track of what it is being used for. So, my guess is it looks like they are "borrowing" against other supplies of money in anticipation of funds coming in. Scary to think about, particularly when they are buying donuts, pizza, and checking into Lansdowne, but technically in negative territory. They have fairly predictable large amounts come in year to year. Monopole rental, parking fees, etc. It might have already come in and been collected, but not transferred in yet. I don't know for sure, that is only a guess. I am certainly not an expert on this. The actual checking account has to have a positive balance, obviously. Anybody care to offer another opinion? They are all in negative territory. Maybe we should take a look at the end of the fiscal year, which closes out June 30.
Appropriated funds are kept in a separate dedicated checking account is what I read.
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> How do they have a negative balance?
Good point. They basically lump a lot of the non-appropriated public funds into one big pool of money, then subdivide the money into different accounts to keep track of what it is being used for. So, my guess is it looks like they are "borrowing" against other supplies of money in anticipation of funds coming in. Scary to think about, particularly when they are buying donuts, pizza, and checking into Lansdowne, but technically in negative territory. They have fairly predictable large amounts come in year to year. Monopole rental, parking fees, etc. It might have already come in and been collected, but not transferred in yet. I don't know for sure, that is only a guess. I am certainly not an expert on this. The actual checking account has to have a positive balance, obviously. Anybody care to offer another opinion? They are all in negative territory. Maybe we should take a look at the end of the fiscal year, which closes out June 30.
Appropriated funds are kept in a separate dedicated checking account is what I read.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Scary $
()
Date: March 26, 2015 12:45PM
Accounting question Wrote:
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> How do they have a negative balance?
The number in parentheses is actually a positive number, come to think of it. If you at it as a positive number and add on the credits and subtract out the debits, it works out. Bass awkwards of what you would usually think.
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> How do they have a negative balance?
The number in parentheses is actually a positive number, come to think of it. If you at it as a positive number and add on the credits and subtract out the debits, it works out. Bass awkwards of what you would usually think.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Funny money
()
Date: March 26, 2015 02:04PM
http://www.accountingcoach.com/blog/use-of-parentheses
I am used to a negative number having parentheses, but that is not always the case.
I am used to a negative number having parentheses, but that is not always the case.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
More negative numbers
()
Date: March 27, 2015 10:59PM
Last time I looked at the community use master budget, it was losing money.
Why then, do schools keep 15 percent of rentals of school property?
It seems ripe for fraud. I know at our hs they run private camps all the time and do not adhere to the fee schedulle for private groups.
The dsa is always trying to fill up gym rentals from various private camps.
It's the wild west for sure. So much for the new auditor. What a joke.
Why then, do schools keep 15 percent of rentals of school property?
It seems ripe for fraud. I know at our hs they run private camps all the time and do not adhere to the fee schedulle for private groups.
The dsa is always trying to fill up gym rentals from various private camps.
It's the wild west for sure. So much for the new auditor. What a joke.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: March 28, 2015 07:20AM
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/9KY3N66856D0/$file/N8420%20FY2015.pdf
The contracts are supposedly run through Central and they get the invoices from them and send the money there. The fees are set by this Notice, which is updated regularly. If you want to pull the contracts on the entries on these reports, go right ahead. Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu.
The major problem here seemed to be what the money was spent on. It has mostly been going for golf, massages, fancy dinners and other meals for staff, presents for staff, flowers for staff, covering for visiting clinicians who parked illegally on school grounds and got tickets, luxury administrative "retreats" at nice hotels in the surrounding area (meetings that could have been held in one of the hundreds of buildings we already own), "retreats" at professional baseball games during regular duty hours, ice cream and Whoopie pie and smoothie treats for the staff, clothing for staff, "working" lunches and dinners (come on), etc.
You don't need an accounting degree to see that there was a major problem here.
The contracts are supposedly run through Central and they get the invoices from them and send the money there. The fees are set by this Notice, which is updated regularly. If you want to pull the contracts on the entries on these reports, go right ahead. Brandynn.Reaves@fcps.edu.
The major problem here seemed to be what the money was spent on. It has mostly been going for golf, massages, fancy dinners and other meals for staff, presents for staff, flowers for staff, covering for visiting clinicians who parked illegally on school grounds and got tickets, luxury administrative "retreats" at nice hotels in the surrounding area (meetings that could have been held in one of the hundreds of buildings we already own), "retreats" at professional baseball games during regular duty hours, ice cream and Whoopie pie and smoothie treats for the staff, clothing for staff, "working" lunches and dinners (come on), etc.
You don't need an accounting degree to see that there was a major problem here.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
when will it stop?
()
Date: March 28, 2015 09:04AM
What is amazing is that the unsupervised spending continues and the Superintendent is once again crying that in 2016 the money budgeted for schools is not enough. No shame.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
the facts
()
Date: March 28, 2015 09:24AM
As pointed out earlier in the thread, they developed some new guidelines for use of the discretionary and administrative local school activity funds. They are still allowed to do some meals and things. It is supposedly curtailed. Flowers, massages, etc. have been nixed. From glancing at these reports it sounds like some major oversight is still needed on these. That is always a challenge. These went into effect in September of 2014.
Feel free to pore over these and request more records. That is why I put these out here. These are public funds. They are responsible to the public for how they are managed.
My personal feeling was that no meals or refreshments are indicated for the most part. The government does not have to be in the business of supplying snacks for meetings, working lunches, $100 dinners at Morton's for the high school principals, etc. This is the government. You need to make your own arrangements for these things unless you are working outside of regular hours, not on a supplemental salary, and can then collect mileage or the $11.50. They need to adapt their meetings to whatever public buildings are available and quit renting out fancy hotels. It isn't going to ruin the event if they take a break for "lunch on your own". Adjust. Create the new normal.
Feel free to pore over these and request more records. That is why I put these out here. These are public funds. They are responsible to the public for how they are managed.
My personal feeling was that no meals or refreshments are indicated for the most part. The government does not have to be in the business of supplying snacks for meetings, working lunches, $100 dinners at Morton's for the high school principals, etc. This is the government. You need to make your own arrangements for these things unless you are working outside of regular hours, not on a supplemental salary, and can then collect mileage or the $11.50. They need to adapt their meetings to whatever public buildings are available and quit renting out fancy hotels. It isn't going to ruin the event if they take a break for "lunch on your own". Adjust. Create the new normal.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
FCPS employee
()
Date: March 28, 2015 02:56PM
Please name some free community buildings where these people can meet. They need to be a place where confidential discussions can happen.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
what?
()
Date: March 28, 2015 03:03PM
So are you telling me that the Westin Hotel or PJ Skidoo's or Artie's is more confidential than a meeting room at a county owned facility?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
The answer is------
()
Date: March 28, 2015 03:09PM
FCPS employee Wrote:
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> Please name some free community buildings where
> these people can meet. They need to be a place
> where confidential discussions can happen.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gatehouse.
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> Please name some free community buildings where
> these people can meet. They need to be a place
> where confidential discussions can happen.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gatehouse.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Easy.
()
Date: March 28, 2015 03:35PM
The answer is------ Wrote:
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> FCPS employee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please name some free community buildings where
> > these people can meet. They need to be a place
> > where confidential discussions can happen.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> <<<<<<<
>
> Gatehouse.
The Government Center.
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> FCPS employee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please name some free community buildings where
> > these people can meet. They need to be a place
> > where confidential discussions can happen.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> <<<<<<<
>
> Gatehouse.
The Government Center.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
No kidding
()
Date: March 28, 2015 07:52PM
I would love to know how much is spent on renting out he Waterford in Springfield.
I have been to fccpta meetings at gatehouse. Plenty of space. Every high school has an auditorium.
Duh.
I have been to fccpta meetings at gatehouse. Plenty of space. Every high school has an auditorium.
Duh.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
They ARE kidding
()
Date: March 29, 2015 07:23AM
No kidding Wrote:
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> I would love to know how much is spent on renting
> out he Waterford in Springfield.
>>>>>>>>>I looked up vendor payments and could only find a few thousand dollars each year for the Fair Oaks location. I don't know if this application is capturing credit card payments and payments out of the various local school activity funds. You can easily find out by asking the FOIA office.
>
> I have been to fccpta meetings at gatehouse.
> Plenty of space. Every high school has an
> auditorium.
>
> Duh.
>>>>>>>>>>>First of all, these confidential meetings are OPEN unless they meet the criteria for exemption under the public records act. You really need soundproof rooms with jammers, etc.? They don't have those at the Loews, the Hilton, Morton's, etc. Second, the taxpayers have bought the school system about 200 buildings, maybe more. There are dozens and dozens of beautiful, comfortable conference rooms, lecture halls, and auditoriums, and thousands of classrooms available. There is a whole department that schedules the use of them, we pay them to do that, and they are free. Yes, it is more fun to check into Lansdowne and gather in a $600 per night luxury suite, but when you say you are broke, you need to act like it. Use what we gave you. Third, we pay the administrators generous six figure salaries and the idea that we need to buy you breakfast, lunch, or dinner because it is "too disruptive" to take a meal break at a meeting and use your OWN credit card does not fly. You need taxpayer funded refreshments and meals at your meetings like I need another hole in my head.
Shall we talk again about the golf we have been paying for now? The High School Principals Association is a publicly funded association with Bylaws, etc., the funds are kept in a school bank account, school staff are keeping track of the money, all under the FCPS ID number. The dues, hotels, meals, and golf came out of public funds. Your meetings are OPEN unless they meet an exemption under the public records act, and then only that portion is closed. I want to know why we have been paying for golf, Morton's, etc. for these get togethers. If they want to have a private social club it needs to be privately funded. There is also an association for the middle school principals and probably the elementary principals as well.
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> I would love to know how much is spent on renting
> out he Waterford in Springfield.
>>>>>>>>>I looked up vendor payments and could only find a few thousand dollars each year for the Fair Oaks location. I don't know if this application is capturing credit card payments and payments out of the various local school activity funds. You can easily find out by asking the FOIA office.
>
> I have been to fccpta meetings at gatehouse.
> Plenty of space. Every high school has an
> auditorium.
>
> Duh.
>>>>>>>>>>>First of all, these confidential meetings are OPEN unless they meet the criteria for exemption under the public records act. You really need soundproof rooms with jammers, etc.? They don't have those at the Loews, the Hilton, Morton's, etc. Second, the taxpayers have bought the school system about 200 buildings, maybe more. There are dozens and dozens of beautiful, comfortable conference rooms, lecture halls, and auditoriums, and thousands of classrooms available. There is a whole department that schedules the use of them, we pay them to do that, and they are free. Yes, it is more fun to check into Lansdowne and gather in a $600 per night luxury suite, but when you say you are broke, you need to act like it. Use what we gave you. Third, we pay the administrators generous six figure salaries and the idea that we need to buy you breakfast, lunch, or dinner because it is "too disruptive" to take a meal break at a meeting and use your OWN credit card does not fly. You need taxpayer funded refreshments and meals at your meetings like I need another hole in my head.
Shall we talk again about the golf we have been paying for now? The High School Principals Association is a publicly funded association with Bylaws, etc., the funds are kept in a school bank account, school staff are keeping track of the money, all under the FCPS ID number. The dues, hotels, meals, and golf came out of public funds. Your meetings are OPEN unless they meet an exemption under the public records act, and then only that portion is closed. I want to know why we have been paying for golf, Morton's, etc. for these get togethers. If they want to have a private social club it needs to be privately funded. There is also an association for the middle school principals and probably the elementary principals as well.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
No-They are serious.
()
Date: March 29, 2015 01:39PM
They aren't kidding. I think they are serious. There is something wrong with the FCPS buildings.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
NSAA
()
Date: July 23, 2015 10:03PM
WE NEED INFOMATION ON THE KOREA TRI[
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
-:-:-:-:
()
Date: July 24, 2015 06:30AM
NSAA Wrote:
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> WE NEED INFOMATION ON THE KOREA TRI[
When was it? Who went? What was it for?
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> WE NEED INFOMATION ON THE KOREA TRI[
When was it? Who went? What was it for?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Hondo
()
Date: July 24, 2015 06:53AM
insider56 Wrote:
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> The high school principals are indeed spending the
> parking pass money and other stuff on everything
> but stuff for education. Unless you consider 20
> boxes of donuts, etc. to be educational. Hundreds
> of thousands of dollars are being used for
> entertainment purposes. There aren't too many copy
> machines, textbooks, and extra staff being
> purchased with that money. the article is not
> accurate. but, you only know what you are told.
> some of it is going to student purposes, but not
> much.
>
> It is a basic unsupervised slush fund bilking
> taxpayers and diverting money away from kids.
> Party on! is right.
>
> contact your school board person and ask for an
> explanation.
Somehow, I think contacting my school board member to complain about 20 boxes of Dunkins isn't going to gain much traction on the hit list of "important educational concerns". Dude, get a life!
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> The high school principals are indeed spending the
> parking pass money and other stuff on everything
> but stuff for education. Unless you consider 20
> boxes of donuts, etc. to be educational. Hundreds
> of thousands of dollars are being used for
> entertainment purposes. There aren't too many copy
> machines, textbooks, and extra staff being
> purchased with that money. the article is not
> accurate. but, you only know what you are told.
> some of it is going to student purposes, but not
> much.
>
> It is a basic unsupervised slush fund bilking
> taxpayers and diverting money away from kids.
> Party on! is right.
>
> contact your school board person and ask for an
> explanation.
Somehow, I think contacting my school board member to complain about 20 boxes of Dunkins isn't going to gain much traction on the hit list of "important educational concerns". Dude, get a life!
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
oooooooooooo
()
Date: July 24, 2015 07:09AM
Hondo Wrote:
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> insider56 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The high school principals are indeed spending
> the
> > parking pass money and other stuff on
> everything
> > but stuff for education. Unless you consider 20
> > boxes of donuts, etc. to be educational.
> Hundreds
> > of thousands of dollars are being used for
> > entertainment purposes. There aren't too many
> copy
> > machines, textbooks, and extra staff being
> > purchased with that money. the article is not
> > accurate. but, you only know what you are told.
> > some of it is going to student purposes, but
> not
> > much.
> >
> > It is a basic unsupervised slush fund bilking
> > taxpayers and diverting money away from kids.
> > Party on! is right.
> >
> > contact your school board person and ask for an
> > explanation.
>
> Somehow, I think contacting my school board member
> to complain about 20 boxes of Dunkins isn't going
> to gain much traction on the hit list of
> "important educational concerns". Dude, get a
> life!
Every penny spent on this nonsense is money taken away from educating children.
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> insider56 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The high school principals are indeed spending
> the
> > parking pass money and other stuff on
> everything
> > but stuff for education. Unless you consider 20
> > boxes of donuts, etc. to be educational.
> Hundreds
> > of thousands of dollars are being used for
> > entertainment purposes. There aren't too many
> copy
> > machines, textbooks, and extra staff being
> > purchased with that money. the article is not
> > accurate. but, you only know what you are told.
> > some of it is going to student purposes, but
> not
> > much.
> >
> > It is a basic unsupervised slush fund bilking
> > taxpayers and diverting money away from kids.
> > Party on! is right.
> >
> > contact your school board person and ask for an
> > explanation.
>
> Somehow, I think contacting my school board member
> to complain about 20 boxes of Dunkins isn't going
> to gain much traction on the hit list of
> "important educational concerns". Dude, get a
> life!
Every penny spent on this nonsense is money taken away from educating children.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Hondo
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Date: July 24, 2015 08:09AM
FCPS employee Wrote:
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> Please name some free community buildings where
> these people can meet. They need to be a place
> where confidential discussions can happen.
While I don't agree with all the rants on "improper expenditure of funds", I can tell you that our local Government Centers that our house our local police stations do have large meeting rooms that can only be accessed behind locked doors. If you're looking for a space where confidential discussions could be held, this is an option. The meeting rooms are typically used for police briefings before the officers go out on patrol. Most of the time, these spaces are not in use.
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> Please name some free community buildings where
> these people can meet. They need to be a place
> where confidential discussions can happen.
While I don't agree with all the rants on "improper expenditure of funds", I can tell you that our local Government Centers that our house our local police stations do have large meeting rooms that can only be accessed behind locked doors. If you're looking for a space where confidential discussions could be held, this is an option. The meeting rooms are typically used for police briefings before the officers go out on patrol. Most of the time, these spaces are not in use.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
classrooms
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Date: July 24, 2015 08:58AM
Gee, I might be mistaken, but it seems to me that there are plenty of places within the school system that could be used. Most high schools have conference rooms, for example, that could be used. There are also classrooms that are not used after school that could be used.
Many libraries have appropriate spaces for speakers that could easily be secured: ex. Fairfax City, Chantilly.......
I would also think that there are plenty of spaces in Fairfax Government center. I do understand that they do not provide the same amenities as Landsdowne--which isn't even in Fairfax County.
Think about it, why are we paying a Loudoun County business for a facility that could be found in Fairfax. They could have at least used the Westfield Marriott if they want to spend money. I think the Chantilly IHOP has a meeting room.
The bottom line: FCPS should use its funds for activities that will directly affect the students. Does anyone really believe that sending leadership to Landsdowne is going to improve our system?
Many libraries have appropriate spaces for speakers that could easily be secured: ex. Fairfax City, Chantilly.......
I would also think that there are plenty of spaces in Fairfax Government center. I do understand that they do not provide the same amenities as Landsdowne--which isn't even in Fairfax County.
Think about it, why are we paying a Loudoun County business for a facility that could be found in Fairfax. They could have at least used the Westfield Marriott if they want to spend money. I think the Chantilly IHOP has a meeting room.
The bottom line: FCPS should use its funds for activities that will directly affect the students. Does anyone really believe that sending leadership to Landsdowne is going to improve our system?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Hondo
()
Date: July 24, 2015 09:00AM
oooooooooooo Wrote:
> Every penny spent on this nonsense is money taken
> away from educating children.
Hey, could someone contact SNL and tell them we have a replacement for Dana Carvey's Church Lady?
> Every penny spent on this nonsense is money taken
> away from educating children.
Hey, could someone contact SNL and tell them we have a replacement for Dana Carvey's Church Lady?
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
.......
()
Date: July 24, 2015 09:05AM
Hondo Wrote:
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> FCPS employee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please name some free community buildings where
> > these people can meet. They need to be a place
> > where confidential discussions can happen.
>
>
> While I don't agree with all the rants on
> "improper expenditure of funds", I can tell you
> that our local Government Centers that our house
> our local police stations do have large meeting
> rooms that can only be accessed behind locked
> doors. If you're looking for a space where
> confidential discussions could be held, this is an
> option. The meeting rooms are typically used for
> police briefings before the officers go out on
> patrol. Most of the time, these spaces are not in
> use.
Yup.
This school system has about 200 buildings at their disposal and almost every single one has conference rooms (with doors), lecture halls and auditoriums (with doors), classrooms(with doors) some of which are available after about 2pm, cafeterias, etc. There is a whole department that coordinates the use of these facilities, and the school system has first priority on their use. They are also available in the evening, so you can have a meeting after you go home for dinner with your mileage paid or get your $11.50 per diem for a meal, and be thankful for this, by the way.
I fail to see what is so "confidential" about having a meeting at Artie's or PJ Skidoo's. You shut the doors, put up a Do Not Disturb sign, and do your business. What exactly are you accomplishing while you are sleeping in your $600 a night suite down the road at Lansdowne? You all have beds. Sleep in them. Saves thousands and thousands of dollars.
Use what you have.
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> FCPS employee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please name some free community buildings where
> > these people can meet. They need to be a place
> > where confidential discussions can happen.
>
>
> While I don't agree with all the rants on
> "improper expenditure of funds", I can tell you
> that our local Government Centers that our house
> our local police stations do have large meeting
> rooms that can only be accessed behind locked
> doors. If you're looking for a space where
> confidential discussions could be held, this is an
> option. The meeting rooms are typically used for
> police briefings before the officers go out on
> patrol. Most of the time, these spaces are not in
> use.
Yup.
This school system has about 200 buildings at their disposal and almost every single one has conference rooms (with doors), lecture halls and auditoriums (with doors), classrooms(with doors) some of which are available after about 2pm, cafeterias, etc. There is a whole department that coordinates the use of these facilities, and the school system has first priority on their use. They are also available in the evening, so you can have a meeting after you go home for dinner with your mileage paid or get your $11.50 per diem for a meal, and be thankful for this, by the way.
I fail to see what is so "confidential" about having a meeting at Artie's or PJ Skidoo's. You shut the doors, put up a Do Not Disturb sign, and do your business. What exactly are you accomplishing while you are sleeping in your $600 a night suite down the road at Lansdowne? You all have beds. Sleep in them. Saves thousands and thousands of dollars.
Use what you have.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
it is just tax money, spend it!
()
Date: July 24, 2015 10:25AM
Fabio Zuluaga went to Korea.
Jay Pearson went to Denmark.
When FCPS brings in "neuroscience consultant" Eric Jensen from Hawaii, it costs about $9,000 a day. Jensen is not a neuroscientist. He is an English teacher with an online doctorate. He will also tell you that the quality of music is determined by the number of notes played.
Karen Garza gets $2,000 a month in housing allowance.
It all adds up.
Jay Pearson went to Denmark.
When FCPS brings in "neuroscience consultant" Eric Jensen from Hawaii, it costs about $9,000 a day. Jensen is not a neuroscientist. He is an English teacher with an online doctorate. He will also tell you that the quality of music is determined by the number of notes played.
Karen Garza gets $2,000 a month in housing allowance.
It all adds up.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
trip?
()
Date: July 27, 2015 01:53PM
Fabio Zuluaga went to Korea.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
>>>>
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Date: August 02, 2015 07:39AM
Always a classic on a Sunday morning.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
()()()()()
()
Date: September 10, 2015 07:34AM
"We are going to take football and music away from your kids and continue to take your parking pass money, etc. and use it on ourselves."
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
mss
()
Date: September 14, 2015 09:41PM
j;dages
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
---->
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Date: October 18, 2015 01:54PM
Here are some recent printouts of the ECA and administrative accounts for a few schools. Still seeing parties, restaurants, clothing, and flowers. They unfortunately can still do some parties and restaurants and clothing, but no flowers, according to the new regulation. Some of these need to have more details pulled.
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Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
Bon appetit!
()
Date: November 15, 2015 07:36AM
There will be a working brunch today at 11 am at the Ritz-Carlton/Tyson's for all FCPS admins. Use of the county credit card is authorized for this special function.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
-$-
()
Date: November 15, 2015 08:36AM
Check out the tens of thousands of dollars of yearbook commission, Giant rebates, monopole income, etc.
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
<*____*>
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Date: December 17, 2015 07:03PM
Re: FCPS Principal get Slush Fund from Parking Payments
Posted by:
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Date: December 17, 2015 07:04PM