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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: insulation sales ()
Date: March 30, 2016 08:22AM

Heat pumps are the best option if you have a well insulated house. Most people in this area have poorly insulated homes so they are forced to use a nasty gas furnace to be comfortable.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Pump my heater ()
Date: March 30, 2016 01:59PM

long haul paul Wrote:
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> Long haul Paul here.
>
> I am on the road quite a bit and I spend less than
> 100 nights a year at home but I love my heat pump.
> It is old but has never let me down.
>
> See you on the interstate!
>
> LHP 10-10 on the side.


What are you using it for? Sexual stimulation?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: long haul paul ()
Date: March 31, 2016 01:35AM

Pump my heater Wrote:
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> long haul paul Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Long haul Paul here.
> >
> > I am on the road quite a bit and I spend less
> than
> > 100 nights a year at home but I love my heat
> pump.
> > It is old but has never let me down.
> >
> > See you on the interstate!
> >
> > LHP 10-10 on the side.
>
>
> What are you using it for? Sexual stimulation?


Read more at,

http://www.longhaulpaul.com/

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Mr. Blackwell ()
Date: March 31, 2016 06:17PM

insulation sales Wrote:
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> Heat pumps are the best option if you have a well
> insulated house. Most people in this area have
> poorly insulated homes so they are forced to use a
> nasty gas furnace to be comfortable.


Nasty gas furnaces? You must be gay.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Vixis ()
Date: March 31, 2016 08:54PM

We have a hybrid system (heat pump/oil) that was installed, if the temp outside stays above freezing, the heat pump is on. If it goes below freezing, the oil heat kicks in. We also have digital controls, when we leave the house and after we go to bed the temp drops to 65. An hour before we get up and when we are home, the temp is at 72. This winter, we barely used up our 150 gallon oil tank. Our house is 1200sqft and made of field stone, homes with vaulted ceilings are a waste because you spend more money heating and cooling the house down. You also don't want a house with big windows either, the smaller the house the better.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: silent killer- natural gas ()
Date: April 01, 2016 04:24PM

Over 400 Americans die each year from gas furnaces but it's really pretty safe overall. The death rate is less than one tenth of a percent.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26032660

Heat pumps are more efficient and more comfortable though.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: new used home buyer ()
Date: October 01, 2016 03:13PM

silent killer- natural gas Wrote:
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> Over 400 Americans die each year from gas furnaces
> but it's really pretty safe overall. The death
> rate is less than one tenth of a percent.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26032660
>
> Heat pumps are more efficient and more comfortable
> though.


Wow! I googled Heating in Fairfax county and ended up here, this is a crazy thread. I have rented in NOVA for years but just bought a small house in Centreville and it has a 19 year old heat pump in it but gas was brought to the neighborhood years ago and the previous owner did not hook up to it. Im trying to decide if I want to risk making it through the first winter with the old heat pump or upgrade to a new one or maybe get gas heat. I have had heat pumps before and they seem okay but most of my neighbors use gas.
Any recommendations on a non-ripoff company to call? I am low on cash and will probably have to finance it. Thanks!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: gAss man ()
Date: October 23, 2016 02:58PM

new used home buyer Wrote:
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> silent killer- natural gas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Over 400 Americans die each year from gas
> furnaces
> > but it's really pretty safe overall. The death
> > rate is less than one tenth of a percent.
> >
> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26032660
> >
> > Heat pumps are more efficient and more
> comfortable
> > though.
>
>
> Wow! I googled Heating in Fairfax county and ended
> up here, this is a crazy thread. I have rented in
> NOVA for years but just bought a small house in
> Centreville and it has a 19 year old heat pump in
> it but gas was brought to the neighborhood years
> ago and the previous owner did not hook up to it.
> Im trying to decide if I want to risk making it
> through the first winter with the old heat pump or
> upgrade to a new one or maybe get gas heat. I have
> had heat pumps before and they seem okay but most
> of my neighbors use gas.
> Any recommendations on a non-ripoff company to
> call? I am low on cash and will probably have to
> finance it. Thanks!


Fuck the environment, heat with gas or oil, its all warm and shit.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: F that! ()
Date: October 23, 2016 08:51PM

gAss man Wrote:
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> new used home buyer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > silent killer- natural gas Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Over 400 Americans die each year from gas
> > furnaces
> > > but it's really pretty safe overall. The
> death
> > > rate is less than one tenth of a percent.
> > >
> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26032660
> > >
> > > Heat pumps are more efficient and more
> > comfortable
> > > though.
> >
> >
> > Wow! I googled Heating in Fairfax county and
> ended
> > up here, this is a crazy thread. I have rented
> in
> > NOVA for years but just bought a small house in
> > Centreville and it has a 19 year old heat pump
> in
> > it but gas was brought to the neighborhood
> years
> > ago and the previous owner did not hook up to
> it.
> > Im trying to decide if I want to risk making it
> > through the first winter with the old heat pump
> or
> > upgrade to a new one or maybe get gas heat. I
> have
> > had heat pumps before and they seem okay but
> most
> > of my neighbors use gas.
> > Any recommendations on a non-ripoff company to
> > call? I am low on cash and will probably have
> to
> > finance it. Thanks!
>
>
> Fuck the environment, heat with gas or oil, its
> all warm and shit.


Heat pumps are the ONLY way to go around here.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: trust me ()
Date: October 23, 2016 09:09PM

heat pumps are great for ac all summer and good for much of the winter (as long as temp above 30)

backup heat with gas,propane is more economical and comfortable for temps below 30

wood or pellet stove for the really cold nights is really comfortable

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Heat Pumps R For Suckers ()
Date: October 23, 2016 09:11PM

Came home, everything off late OCT and a bit of cold, hit the switch 100 K BTU of GAS heat and 10 minutes later , warm as a cat snuggled in a wool sweater by the fireplace with a nice big "log a burning"... Now Ill turn it off 20 minutes later and it will be warm all night.. Warm enough that is..

DAJAX Now to get those holes, splits and other drafts in the trailer fixed for winter comes..LOL

Heat pump.. Pollution Free Heat..What Assholes.. Worry about the National DEBT.. F Climate Change! Ones going to get you or the other and YOU CAN ONLY FIX 1 .. The Deficit! .. Libs plan.. Leave it to their Kids, Grand Kids to "Pay IT OFF"
Worrying about NATURE!!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: warm as hell ()
Date: December 05, 2016 02:17PM

If you live in a house around here built in the 40s through 80s you are better off with gas. Heat and air aint shit without insulation. If you have a properly insulated house then heat pumps are very comfortable and much cheaper to run than gas or oil. Water heater heat pumps are great too as they give free a-c and dehumidification in the summer for your basement.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: IF patrol ()
Date: December 05, 2016 08:27PM

If you heat your home with gas or oil you are an ignorant fuck.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: kilojoule ()
Date: December 05, 2016 09:03PM

^^^
And you use...?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Heat Pump ()
Date: December 05, 2016 09:38PM

We want from Heating Oil #2 to Electric Heat Pump last fall, and we save about $250 per month now.

Oil needs to be further refined to gasoline, and then I can use it.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: If You Can Get Gas ()
Date: December 05, 2016 09:54PM

And You have a overly expensive and drafty stupid Heat Pump.. Your a "AL Gore Sucker"..

Al stays plenty warm..he's got $$ To Burn From Global Warming.. Ya Ya he met with trump. Obama met with Trump. Trump sez..We had a great meeting.. then later ..Go To Hell.. LOL!! Go Trump!

DAJAX Heat pumps $..Yop like Electric so much..Get Electric baseboard heat.. And throw the $$ Away.. Suckers.. Gas Baby Gas Hit the switch and Vollia Its Warm!

Heat Pumps are Good Only Fer Country Folk who don't have LP gas for their trailers.. Gas Baby Gas..

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Gas lol ()
Date: December 06, 2016 05:15PM

Heating with gas, oil or wood is for ignorant fucks.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: try some insulation ()
Date: December 06, 2016 05:22PM

Heat Pump Wrote:
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> We want from Heating Oil #2 to Electric Heat Pump
> last fall, and we save about $250 per month now.
>
> Oil needs to be further refined to gasoline, and
> then I can use it.

You say you "saved" $250 which implies that you are still spending more than that? Does your house have insulation? My bill for gas heat is at most $150 in the winter.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: X3XMX ()
Date: December 06, 2016 05:28PM

The "Maff" is easy:

Before conversion, I had an oil furnace, and an electric air-conditioner. Natural Gas is not available in my area.

I was spending around $150-250 per month during the winter, and $250-$350 per month during the summer on electricity.

I was spending about $2,500 for oil ever year.

Now, I don't buy oil.

My winter bill is $300-$450 for a couple of months. The rest of the months, including summer, are $150-$300.

I'm saving about $250 per month.

My house is about 3,000 square feet.

If I had access to Natural Gas, I'd consider it. I believe that Natural Gas is going to fall in price. But, for now, I don't have a choice.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Kid Volt ()
Date: December 06, 2016 08:20PM

X3XMX Wrote:
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> The "Maff" is easy:
>
> Before conversion, I had an oil furnace, and an
> electric air-conditioner. Natural Gas is not
> available in my area.
>
> I was spending around $150-250 per month during
> the winter, and $250-$350 per month during the
> summer on electricity.
>
> I was spending about $2,500 for oil ever year.
>
> Now, I don't buy oil.
>
> My winter bill is $300-$450 for a couple of
> months. The rest of the months, including summer,
> are $150-$300.
>
> I'm saving about $250 per month.
>
> My house is about 3,000 square feet.
>
> If I had access to Natural Gas, I'd consider it. I
> believe that Natural Gas is going to fall in
> price. But, for now, I don't have a choice.


Natural gas heat is filthy, unhealthy and dangerous. Inverter technology heat pumps blow the doors off of any gas or oil set up, no contest.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: kyle4 ()
Date: December 07, 2016 05:00AM

Fuck gas heaters.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: pete O ()
Date: December 17, 2016 10:36AM

I love my new heat pump but it iced up this morning and I had to pour warm water on it. It's way better than my old 1996 heat pump was. My contractor said the icing was just because of the storm and it is fine. I wonder what would happen if I was out of town and not here to defrost it?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Heating guy ()
Date: December 17, 2016 11:07AM

Like most things in life American made heat pumps are of poor quality. Mitsubishi heat pumps are far superior to anything American made.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Frosty the HP ()
Date: December 17, 2016 02:55PM

pete O Wrote:
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> I love my new heat pump but it iced up this
> morning and I had to pour warm water on it. It's
> way better than my old 1996 heat pump was. My
> contractor said the icing was just because of the
> storm and it is fine. I wonder what would happen
> if I was out of town and not here to defrost it?

Something is not right. Your NEW heat pump should not have iced up and should have been able to defrost itself. There wasn't that much ice to begin with. Our old piece of crap heat pump handled inches of ice. Had two feet of snow on it. Brushed off the snow. You could see it had been defrosting but finished the job once the snow was gone. That piece of garbage never iced up.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: t3vFH ()
Date: December 17, 2016 06:33PM

steam systems are good, but most do not have and cannot afford the pluming it takes to use it

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: NLFVk ()
Date: December 17, 2016 06:35PM

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Greybeard ()
Date: December 17, 2016 09:56PM

Frosty the HP Wrote:
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> Something is not right. Your NEW heat pump should
> not have iced up and should have been able to
> defrost itself. There wasn't that much ice to
> begin with. Our old piece of crap heat pump
> handled inches of ice. Had two feet of snow on it.
> Brushed off the snow. You could see it had been
> defrosting but finished the job once the snow was
> gone. That piece of garbage never iced up.

Have to agree. Why did you "have to" pour water on it? Was it not working?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: maintenance man ()
Date: December 18, 2016 11:10AM

Greybeard Wrote:
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> Frosty the HP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Something is not right. Your NEW heat pump
> should
> > not have iced up and should have been able to
> > defrost itself. There wasn't that much ice to
> > begin with. Our old piece of crap heat pump
> > handled inches of ice. Had two feet of snow on
> it.
> > Brushed off the snow. You could see it had been
> > defrosting but finished the job once the snow
> was
> > gone. That piece of garbage never iced up.
>
> Have to agree. Why did you "have to" pour water on
> it? Was it not working?

Maybe the heat pump needs service but more likely it is fine. As you know heat pumps heat your home by extracting heat from the outdoor air plus the heat of compression. Any air to air heat pump can get iced over in a ice storm as the outdoor coils of the unit are much colder than the outside air temperature while it is running. Freezing rain will stick to it immediately and if the top discharge grill gets frozen over the defrost cycle will do little to thaw that grill, it will try to defrost until the max defrost time is reached and will either start the heating cycle again or lockout.
It is considered normal homeowner maintenance to check the outdoor unit periodically to make sure it is free of ice and snow. If mine gets iced up at night I just put it on emergency heat and deal with it the next day, it's stupid to worry about it in the middle of the night or during a storm. Running the emergency heat a night or two is no big deal.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: The feels ()
Date: December 18, 2016 02:45PM

I understand that gas heat is inefficient and dirty but it feels so nice so I am going to keep using it but dont worry, I'll be dead in 15 or 20 years anyway. After that the rest of you fuckers that are still alive can save the planet and all that shit.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Nice Guy Eddie ()
Date: December 18, 2016 05:54PM

Lived in houses with heat pumps for years and they blow dead bear. Current house has gas and life has never been more comfortable.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: E pee A ()
Date: December 18, 2016 08:04PM

Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:
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> Lived in houses with heat pumps for years and they
> blow dead bear. Current house has gas and life
> has never been more comfortable.


That's because those houses were poorly insulated.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: VEkw3 ()
Date: December 18, 2016 09:04PM

The feels Wrote:
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> I understand that gas heat is inefficient and
> dirty but it feels so nice so I am going to keep
> using it but dont worry, I'll be dead in 15 or 20
> years anyway. After that the rest of you fuckers
> that are still alive can save the planet and all
> that shit.

Yeah heat pumps are way cleaner, they are powered by electricity, which as everyone knows comes from thin air. It's not as though two thirds of American electric power comes from coal or natural gas-fired power plants.

Oh wait.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Vlad Vladimar ()
Date: December 18, 2016 09:54PM

Basic Electricity Wrote:
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> Dipshit libturds think electricity is generated by
> fairies. It would never occur to them that most
> is from coal-fired power plants. Moron heatpump
> fanboys lose again!


Any liberal who actually cared about the planet would kill themselves to eliminate their carbon footprint, but sadly, they are the world's worst hypocrites.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: bright idea ()
Date: December 19, 2016 03:40PM

I think 7000 incandescent bulbs would heat a house nicely.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Get Gas Or Be An Ass ()
Date: December 20, 2016 03:58PM

Bump

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: right over your head again ()
Date: December 20, 2016 08:26PM

VEkw3 Wrote:
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> The feels Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I understand that gas heat is inefficient and
> > dirty but it feels so nice so I am going to
> keep
> > using it but dont worry, I'll be dead in 15 or
> 20
> > years anyway. After that the rest of you
> fuckers
> > that are still alive can save the planet and
> all
> > that shit.
>
> Yeah heat pumps are way cleaner, they are powered
> by electricity, which as everyone knows comes from
> thin air. It's not as though two thirds of
> American electric power comes from coal or natural
> gas-fired power plants.
>
> Oh wait.
>
> https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3


You are missing the point.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: NOVEC guy ()
Date: December 24, 2016 05:08PM

VEkw3 Wrote:
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> The feels Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I understand that gas heat is inefficient and
> > dirty but it feels so nice so I am going to
> keep
> > using it but dont worry, I'll be dead in 15 or
> 20
> > years anyway. After that the rest of you
> fuckers
> > that are still alive can save the planet and
> all
> > that shit.
>
> Yeah heat pumps are way cleaner, they are powered
> by electricity, which as everyone knows comes from
> thin air. It's not as though two thirds of
> American electric power comes from coal or natural
> gas-fired power plants.
>
> Oh wait.
>
> https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3


I think most of us know how electric power is generated. The thing about heat pumps is that the electric power is used to refrigerate the outdoor air and release the heat inside the home. The electricity used by the heat pump is just to transport the free heat from "thin air" inside the house.
Don't get me wrong, I like gas heat but I only use it in extreme cold weather like below 20 degrees. I just thought it was funny that you posted info to support the argument in favor of heat pumps.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: D6dFm ()
Date: December 24, 2016 05:21PM

NO HEAT PUMP! Unless you like lukewarm air blowing through your vents. Love my gas heat!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: YVmUp ()
Date: December 24, 2016 05:24PM

Guess what?! Your electric is from a nuclear plant at Lake Anna!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Julia Brag ()
Date: December 25, 2016 07:07AM

YVmUp Wrote:
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> Guess what?! Your electric is from a nuclear plant
> at Lake Anna!


That is the cleanest way to generate electricity.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Nice Guy Eddie ()
Date: January 03, 2017 07:20AM

E pee A Wrote:
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> Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lived in houses with heat pumps for years and
> they
> > blow dead bear. Current house has gas and life
> > has never been more comfortable.
>
>
> That's because those houses were poorly insulated.

You are probably right. One was a townhouse with a terrible metal fireplace that did nothing but let in cold air. All the neighbors had ideas on how to keep cold winter air from leaking in but not of them worked.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Cold snap ()
Date: January 08, 2017 11:59PM

Hey heat pump owners... How did this weekend work out for you? It was very cold last couple nights around 12 degrees. Just curious how your system fared. Never lived with a great pump before so I'm genuinely curious.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Greybeard ()
Date: January 09, 2017 12:17AM

Didn't notice (inside--sure did outside!). No issues. Of course, I haven't seen the bill yet.

Still wish we had gas, but we don't, so.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Centrville Phil ()
Date: January 09, 2017 04:52AM

Cold snap Wrote:
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> Hey heat pump owners... How did this weekend work
> out for you? It was very cold last couple nights
> around 12 degrees. Just curious how your system
> fared. Never lived with a great pump before so I'm
> genuinely curious.


These new R410-a heat pumps are amazing, we stayed toasty warm and the only time the aux heat came on was during defrost cycle. Anyone who still has an old R-22 heat pump should think about replacing it. The R410-a runs much higher pressures and temperatures. The EPA bans r-22 after Jan 1 2020 anyway.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: 9DFC7 ()
Date: January 09, 2017 12:55PM

NOVEC guy Wrote:
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> I think most of us know how electric power is
> generated. The thing about heat pumps is that the
> electric power is used to refrigerate the outdoor
> air and release the heat inside the home. The
> electricity used by the heat pump is just to
> transport the free heat from "thin air" inside the
> house.

Only a simpleton believes a heat pump actually extracts the heat from outdoors NOVEC. The truth is that ACs produce both heat and coolness. A heat pump operating in heat mode uses the heat being generated while dissipating the coolness as a waste product, which is the reverse of what an AC does.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Eureka!!! ()
Date: January 09, 2017 07:59PM

9DFC7 Wrote:
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> Only a simpleton believes a heat pump actually
> extracts the heat from outdoors NOVEC. The truth
> is that ACs produce both heat and coolness. A
> heat pump operating in heat mode uses the heat
> being generated while dissipating the coolness as
> a waste product, which is the reverse of what an
> AC does.

That's it! You've cracked the unifying theory of physics!! Everything previously believed is wrong!!!

In related news, up is down, black is white, freedom is slavery, wisdom is ignorance, and OP is a moron.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: 9YCe7 ()
Date: January 09, 2017 08:12PM

Eureka!!! Wrote:
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> 9DFC7 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Only a simpleton believes a heat pump actually
> > extracts the heat from outdoors NOVEC. The
> truth
> > is that ACs produce both heat and coolness. A
> > heat pump operating in heat mode uses the heat
> > being generated while dissipating the coolness
> as
> > a waste product, which is the reverse of what
> an
> > AC does.
>
> That's it! You've cracked the unifying theory of
> physics!! Everything previously believed is
> wrong!!!
>
> In related news, up is down, black is white,
> freedom is slavery, wisdom is ignorance, and OP is
> a moron.


He's right. The other guy is wrong.

Electricity used by the heat pump is NOT 'just to transport the free heat from "thin air" inside the house.' You're running a compressor and just tapping the back side vs the front side of the loop and it requires about the same amount of power. There's nothing free about the "free heat" produced either physical or financial.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Eureka!!! ()
Date: January 09, 2017 08:27PM

9YCe7 Wrote:
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> Electricity used by the heat pump is NOT 'just to
> transport the free heat from "thin air" inside the
> house.' You're running a compressor and just
> tapping the back side vs the front side of the
> loop and it requires about the same amount of
> power. There's nothing free about the "free heat"
> produced either physical or financial.

Nobody said anything was "free". But what you're saying is of course true--just orthogonal to OP's gibberish. OK, being generous, maybe that's what OP meant, but it sure isn't what he/she/it said!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Heat Pump = ()
Date: January 09, 2017 09:50PM

"DRAFT FURNACE" And Everyone knows it.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: DLdvb ()
Date: January 10, 2017 12:01AM

Throwing out a bunch of SAT words and phrases that you picked up from Big Bang Theory does not hide the fact Eureka/NOVEC that your efforts to oversell what heatpumps do has been unmasked by two independent sources, neither of whom was the OP of this thread. What you have been describing isn't your typical heat pump does. It is what a geothermal system does.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: kill a watt ()
Date: January 11, 2017 11:36AM

I like heat pump heat. Gas is too hot and dries the air out too much.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: heat pump suck ()
Date: January 11, 2017 11:55AM

Heat pumps suck ass, while I was away for 2 weeks my SO didn't realize the system had been running on auxiliary heat, had a nice $500 present from Dominion for that one. The cost to maintain and replace them is much much higher too.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: hvac guy ()
Date: January 13, 2017 09:51AM

heat pump suck Wrote:
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> Heat pumps suck ass, while I was away for 2 weeks
> my SO didn't realize the system had been running
> on auxiliary heat, had a nice $500 present from
> Dominion for that one. The cost to maintain and
> replace them is much much higher too.


Wow, I have never seen two weeks of aux heat use drive a electric bill anywhere near that high. I have oil heat in my house and like it okay but might switch to a heat pump someday. Replacing a gas furnace and a air conditioner is much more expensive than replacing a heat pump tho. Trane heat pumps are the best, I have customers that have them over 25 years old and still working fine.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Warmberry ()
Date: September 21, 2017 01:26PM

This area is perfect for a heat pump, its all you need.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Here's an idea thats almost free ()
Date: September 21, 2017 01:29PM

You can compost leaves and channel the heat into your house with insulated tubes. You can Youtube it. People have used this method for warming their greenhouses during the wintertime.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Only Idiots Suggest Heat Pumps ()
Date: September 21, 2017 04:43PM

Warmberry Wrote:
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> This area is perfect for a heat pump, its all you
> need.


Nope, you’re wrong.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Suckers Have Money TO BURN!! ()
Date: September 21, 2017 11:51PM

That's What Ya Need To Have and replace a LOUSY Drafty Expensive ..HEAT PUMP..!

GOOD Only..OUT IN THE COUNTRY..Where you don't have many OPTIONS..and NO Natural Gas..!

DAJAX In Fairfax Co....NO Brainer..Gas Is The Only Way to Go!!If Ya Can get It...!

Separate Furnace..Separate Air Conditioner..Easiser..Cheaper to use and replace..! and Gas..Hit that Switch..Let..."Ready Flame" Do the Rest..15 minutes later warm ..and cozy..on a cold winter night! Coming Back Home From a weekend Off and The T stat turned down..

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Celie ()
Date: September 22, 2017 04:42AM

gas furnace FTW Wrote:
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> $180 a month vs $400+ for the heat pump users


I have a 2200 sq/ft house and have heated it with a heat pump since 1988. I have never had a electric bill over 200 dollars. Some of my neighbors have switched to natural gas and their bills are higher than mine.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Nuckin figger ()
Date: September 22, 2017 07:01AM

Burn a tire in your living room

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: I Keep The T Stat at 62 F ()
Date: September 22, 2017 12:08PM

>have a 2200 sq/ft house and have heated it with a heat pump since 1988

Tell the truth "Sweater People"..LOL

DAJAX

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Real Costs To Replace ()
Date: September 22, 2017 12:13PM

2200 sq ft house with heat pump : 9000-10000

2200 Sg Ft House AC 3 ton High Seer unit : 5500.00

2200 Sq Ft House Gas Furnace 100k BTU 2700.00

Heat Pumps..your replacing both..AC and furnace.. Like It Or Not SUCKERS!!

Ya Ya still got the coil in the house..

Then Pay Dominion BIG BUCKS For A Drafty House In Winter..Or keep The Stat at 62 and Freeze!

Heat Pumps..Suck If You Can get Gas..!

DAJAX

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Handy Andy ()
Date: September 22, 2017 02:20PM

Real Costs To Replace Wrote:
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> 2200 sq ft house with heat pump : 9000-10000
>
> 2200 Sg Ft House AC 3 ton High Seer unit :
> 5500.00
>
> 2200 Sq Ft House Gas Furnace 100k BTU 2700.00
>
> Heat Pumps..your replacing both..AC and furnace..
> Like It Or Not SUCKERS!!
>
> Ya Ya still got the coil in the house..
>
> Then Pay Dominion BIG BUCKS For A Drafty House In
> Winter..Or keep The Stat at 62 and Freeze!
>
> Heat Pumps..Suck If You Can get Gas..!
>
> DAJAX

I installed my own new heat pump last year. 2100 for equipment and a couple hundred for odds and ends. 3 ton 14 seer, r-410 heat pump discharge temps are much warmer than the r-22 unit were. I love the damn thing.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: If I Could Get My Paws ()
Date: September 22, 2017 05:22PM

On a jug of R410A..I would do it myself too on the cheap..1300 for a new AC..1400 for a new GAS furnace..some 1600 for a heat pump..YUCK!! With A Goodman Unit..LOL!! But ..I can't ..So I'm S Otta luck..!!

https://www.grainger.com/product/GOODMAN-A-C-Condensing-Unit-38GM26?breadcrumbCatId=7101&s_pp=false&picUrl=//static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/38GM05_AS01?$smthumb$

3 tons to keep the trailer at 68 on a 100F day..Thin walls ya know..Kind of Flimsy..

DAJAX Permits..Who has ever heard of permits out near..Culpepper..?? LOL!

Master Mechanical License..Whats that.for...??

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Heat with ()
Date: September 22, 2017 05:24PM

'FIRE PUSSY'
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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: do it yourself guy ()
Date: September 22, 2017 05:38PM

If I Could Get My Paws Wrote:
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> On a jug of R410A..I would do it myself too on the
> cheap..1300 for a new AC..1400 for a new GAS
> furnace..some 1600 for a heat pump..YUCK!! With
> A Goodman Unit..LOL!! But ..I can't ..So I'm S
> Otta luck..!!
>
> https://www.grainger.com/product/GOODMAN-A-C-Conde
> nsing-Unit-38GM26?breadcrumbCatId=7101&s_pp=false&
> picUrl=//static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainge
> r/38GM05_AS01?$smthumb$
>
> 3 tons to keep the trailer at 68 on a 100F
> day..Thin walls ya know..Kind of Flimsy..
>
> DAJAX Permits..Who has ever heard of permits out
> near..Culpepper..?? LOL!
>
> Master Mechanical License..Whats that.for...??

You can buy r410a on ebay without an EPA license.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Ya Pal..Just Found That Out ()
Date: September 22, 2017 06:41PM

True! No EPA 608 cert for R410A That said can a homeowner pull the County permit to replace a HVAC unit at their own home..??

You'll still have to have a licensed EPA Section 608 person..with a recovery machine ..to recover any R 22 in a old unit..from the unit the coil and any lines.That will cost ya bout 300 dollars..

Don't even think of venting any refrigerant to the atmosphere..The EPA if they catch ya will burn ya $$ badly..$$ ..a new Vette Will be considered. Cheap Compared to the fines..!! No Venting..releasing Any type refrigerant old R-12 , R-22..or New ..R410A or R134A ..None..!

Then you'll need a new unit..fairly cheap and unsure if you can get name brand units like Carrier or Lennox or Traine as they may only be sold thru dealers..I don't know..The you'll need the permit and a vacuum pump, gauges, scale to charge the unit and the jug of R410A ,and a leak tester to make sure its all done right and get all the inspections done .. and to service the unit a recovery machine and tank.. ..They are not that expensive for 608 equipment 600-800 dollars as why would you want to pay someone for that..

609 auto EPA recovery machines are expensive $2500-3500 as they have to recover and reclaim the refrigerant to allow it to be recharged back to the car.. Least that's the way it was .. R134a is cheap I don't know if you can recover only and the recharge with new on a car..But Cars are Cars and House AC is House AC EPA 609 Cars and EPA 608 Stationary (house) certification required.

Oh You better have Obamacare too ..cause the medical bills may be hell if you don't know what your doing ..There some High pressures in them units and tanks pals..! !

DAJAX ..Now..What Say You..?? Go Ahead..Turn That Valve..You say you work better under Pressure..?? LOL!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: wrenchy twist ()
Date: September 23, 2017 06:51AM

Here in Canterbury woods I installed my own gas furnace! It was easy with no permits at all. Fuck gas heat!
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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: fxftc ()
Date: September 24, 2017 03:50PM


take that gov bank account you were supposed to be over-seeing, skip town to Florida where they love people like you

live in florida on welfare and live at the beach

CLAIM OTHERS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO FOLLOW your act, BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING has made the entire state a danger

(send whichever sucker you can on a bus to Fairfax, and take his seat - use it for hosting hookers)


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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: cxnty ()
Date: September 25, 2017 03:09PM

Who cares about heating your house. It's late September and my AC is running night and day.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Preparation isn’t always H ()
Date: September 25, 2017 03:15PM

cxnty Wrote:
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> Who cares about heating your house. It's late
> September and my AC is running night and day.

Do you wait until you run out of gas or the battery dies first on your car?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: cxnty ()
Date: September 25, 2017 03:54PM

Preparation isn’t always H Wrote:
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> cxnty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who cares about heating your house. It's late
> > September and my AC is running night and day.
>
> Do you wait until you run out of gas or the
> battery dies first on your car?


I've been known to push the limits.......

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: efficient 347% ()
Date: September 25, 2017 08:16PM


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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: pillow block ()
Date: September 26, 2017 02:42AM

Old people like gas furnaces. They like being all dried up and nasty.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: pillow biter ()
Date: September 26, 2017 03:43AM

pillow block Wrote:
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> Old people like gas furnaces. They like being all
> dried up and nasty
warm.

FIFY

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Warm n cheap ()
Date: September 26, 2017 09:07AM

The right answer is heat pump with gas back-up is the best way to heat in this area. Uss the gas on days when the temps are below 20 degrees and the heat pump the rest of the time. Last winter my gas furnace only ran about 10 days. Great comfort and low utility bills.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Bill Bored ()
Date: September 26, 2017 11:29AM

Warm n cheap Wrote:
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> The right answer is heat pump with gas back-up is
> the best way to heat in this area. Uss the gas on
> days when the temps are below 20 degrees and the
> heat pump the rest of the time. Last winter my gas
> furnace only ran about 10 days. Great comfort and
> low utility bills.

Thats called dual fuel, my contractor talked me into that years ago when our furnace and a-c needed replacement. It really saved me some money and I can turn on the gas heat anytime I want with the press of a button for those days when I come home to a cold house. I crank up the gas for an hour or so then put the heat pump back on. I love it.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: No Pal.. ()
Date: September 26, 2017 11:52AM

Its Called Dual Federal Overpaid Jobs..!

DAJAX Jesus Christ. Gas Furnace and Heat Pump..Nothing's too good For Federal Employees..Is It !

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: agree with DAJAX ()
Date: September 26, 2017 12:08PM

Seems like a waste of money to have both, just stick with a furnace

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Joe Carrier ()
Date: September 27, 2017 07:37AM

Technically, you can't "heat" your home with a heat pump; you can only slightly warm it.

Truth in labeling would require them to be called "cool pumps".

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Celie ()
Date: September 27, 2017 09:42AM

Joe Carrier Wrote:
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> Technically, you can't "heat" your home with a
> heat pump; you can only slightly warm it.
>
> Truth in labeling would require them to be called
> "cool pumps".

In 29 winters the two heat pumps I have owned have kept my house at 72 degrees flawlessly. Never had an electric bill over 200 bucks. They are wonderful machines. Next time our water heater goes we are getting a water heater heat pump too.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Woody ()
Date: September 29, 2017 09:41AM

Heat pump and a wood stove works for me. I keep the heat pump set at 65 and make up the difference with fireplace insert wood stove.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: hotelmotelholidayinn ()
Date: October 14, 2017 01:42PM

Woody Wrote:
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> Heat pump and a wood stove works for me. I keep
> the heat pump set at 65 and make up the difference
> with fireplace insert wood stove.


Wood is by far the most expensive way to heat your home. I have a heat pump now but my last house was heated with a natural gas boiler. I believe boiler heat is the most comfortable. Heat pumps are clearly more efficient but they are not as comfortable.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Gas heat does kill people ()
Date: November 01, 2017 03:52AM

Gas Heaters Disadvantages
1. When gas heaters use natural gas, a lot of carbon monoxide is released into the air during the heating process. This results in air pollution as well as global warming.

2. Gas heaters with separate A-C are more expensive to install then heat pumps.

3. If there is a problem with the heating element of a gas heater, the entire unit needs to be changed. In the case of an electric heat pump, only the part that failed needs to be changed, making it a less costly option.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Adolf fricking Hitler ()
Date: December 23, 2017 09:25AM

I prefer to use gas. I got one hell of a gas bill years ago. Maybe I should look at a heat pump.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Home hot ()
Date: December 29, 2017 01:41PM

It's days like this that I love my new heat pump. 74 degrees in the house and the auxiliary heat has not come on at all. My old heat pump could not do that.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: tribesman ()
Date: December 30, 2017 09:33AM

Adolf fricking Hitler Wrote:
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> I prefer to use gas. I got one hell of a gas bill
> years ago. Maybe I should look at a heat pump.


That is not funny sicko.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: The Best Is Always ()
Date: December 30, 2017 12:17PM

A gas furnace, as plain Jane as you can buy with the BTU's you need. The extra money you spend on the gas bill will be far offset by the way over extra money you will spend on repairs for a furnace with all the suckers fuel saving modules, panels, control boards, overall construction. Older furnaces put out heat for years, the more "efficient" ones break down all the time and cost a bundle to repair.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Global Warmers Hate Gas ()
Date: December 30, 2017 12:21PM

>2. Gas heaters with separate A-C are more expensive to install then heat pumps.
>3. If there is a problem with the heating element of a gas heater, the entire unit needs to be changed. In the case of an electric heat pump, only the part that failed needs to be changed, making it a less costly option.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Heat pumps are more expensive then a gas furnace and conventional AC

The part is the combustion chamber on a gas furnace, they last many years, the heat elements on heat pumps fail all the time

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Greybeard ()
Date: December 30, 2017 08:30PM

Global Warmers Hate Gas Wrote:
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> Heat pumps are more expensive then a gas furnace
> and conventional AC
>
> The part is the combustion chamber on a gas
> furnace, they last many years, the heat elements
> on heat pumps fail all the time

Hm. One data point only: 27 years in this house, have never had to replace a heater element on our heat pump. Maybe we've just been lucky?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: HVAC Guy ()
Date: December 30, 2017 08:46PM

The best way to heat your home is with a combination coal, oil, wood furnace. You can use any one of these three fuels to heat your home. It has been proven to be the most efficient, cost effective and comfortable way to heat your home. Many people in the DC metro area have been converting their heat pumps or gas furnaces to this type of system. This is very popular in the northern US and Canada. I highly recommend it. The upfront cost is similar to a gas furnace, but the long-term savings make it worthwhile. I recommend investigating it.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: jack hvac ()
Date: December 31, 2017 07:25AM

Greybeard Wrote:
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> Global Warmers Hate Gas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Heat pumps are more expensive then a gas
> furnace
> > and conventional AC
> >
> > The part is the combustion chamber on a gas
> > furnace, they last many years, the heat
> elements
> > on heat pumps fail all the time
>
> Hm. One data point only: 27 years in this house,
> have never had to replace a heater element on our
> heat pump. Maybe we've just been lucky?


I ran hvac residential service for 13 years before I moved on to other things. I replaced maybe 3 or 4 heating elements a year. It was a very rare failure.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: It's hard to get a Trane started ()
Date: January 01, 2018 11:05AM

Freezing the nads off with the heat pump. Never again! Next house will be gas heat.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Tell Us ()
Date: January 01, 2018 11:40AM

>I ran hvac residential service for 13 years before I moved on to other things. I replaced maybe 3 or 4 heating elements a year. It was a very rare failure.

Why you were running the calls on Heat Pumps, what where you replacing and how much a pop ?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Home hot ()
Date: January 01, 2018 12:18PM

It's hard to get a Trane started Wrote:
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> Freezing the nads off with the heat pump. Never
> again! Next house will be gas heat.


You must have a problem with your heat pump or maybe insulation. My heat pump is still keeping my house at 74 degrees.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: HomeOwnerPerson ()
Date: January 01, 2018 04:48PM

HVAC Guy Wrote:
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> The best way to heat your home is with a
> combination coal, oil, wood furnace. You can use
> any one of these three fuels to heat your home. It
> has been proven to be the most efficient, cost
> effective and comfortable way to heat your home.
> Many people in the DC metro area have been
> converting their heat pumps or gas furnaces to
> this type of system. This is very popular in the
> northern US and Canada. I highly recommend it. The
> upfront cost is similar to a gas furnace, but the
> long-term savings make it worthwhile. I recommend
> investigating it.

We just had one of these installed and it is great. We are currently burning coal. Last month, we used oil. The coal is great in this frigid weather! We are really happy with this unit. Much better than gas.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Charcock ()
Date: January 05, 2018 02:03PM

My gas furnace burned my face and cock.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Sorta Cold ()
Date: January 06, 2018 08:03AM

How are those heat pumps doing this morning at 10 degrees outside?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Warmer gas ()
Date: January 06, 2018 08:16AM

Sorta Cold Wrote:
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> How are those heat pumps doing this morning at 10
> degrees outside?


LOL!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: President Trump FTW! ()
Date: January 06, 2018 08:28AM

Sorta Cold Wrote:
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> How are those heat pumps doing this morning at 10
> degrees outside?

All those homes are on EH using propane probably. Big time money.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Old Man Fairfax ()
Date: January 06, 2018 08:57AM

Moved to top of to do list for 2018 - converting to gas heat or hybrid heating system. This heat pump stuff sucks.

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