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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Home hot ()
Date: January 06, 2018 09:04AM

Sorta Cold Wrote:
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> How are those heat pumps doing this morning at 10
> degrees outside?


My new heat pump is kicking ass. It is still a cozy 74 degrees and the auxiliary heat still has not come on. These new heat pumps are absolutely fantastic!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Infra red heat ()
Date: January 06, 2018 09:08AM

House has oil burner that only worked when home inspection was done at sale.
Plus, the $300 yearly fee is bullshit.
All they ever do is change filter($20) and nozzle($12 on amazon).
The exhaust venting is horrible with more than 4 90degree bends, plus a reducer.
When the burner did work, I would get black soot near my vents.
Would work then not start.
Techs kept saying it was tank.
So, my ass used a Jerry Can with maybe 3gals of oil, less than 3ft from burner-still had prob of burner shutting down!!!!

Quoted $5500 for heat pump.
Too much $$$.

I’m running propane heaters, far infrared elec heaters on ceilings AND kerosene.
I’m burning treated heating oil in my kerosene heaters and the fumes are atrocious!
I have to cycle the propane heaters between kerosene heating, just to get rid of the diesel smell.
Insulation on house(built ‘55), is atrocious-cellulose in attic, itchy Corning pink in walls.
I wake up to a 55deg house every morning.
I needed to install a elec radiator heater in my laundry room, or my $1200 front load washer won’t work...”nF” code.

Forgot to mention my wood stove I installed 2 winters ago. Just the chimney for that was $1400.

Editors note:
Sealing the wood floors, above crawlspace, with 3 coats of polycrylic sealer has helped.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: jack jack ()
Date: January 06, 2018 09:25AM

One thing for sure, fuck gas heat! That shit will kill you. Burning alive sucks!
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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Brain Cells Die When Not in Use ()
Date: January 06, 2018 09:34AM

jack jack Wrote:
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> One thing for sure, fuck gas heat! That shit will
> kill you. Burning alive sucks!


You drive a car? Every one dies one way or another, sooner or later.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: vcnte ()
Date: January 06, 2018 09:56AM

Home hot Wrote:
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>
> My new heat pump is kicking ass. It is still a
> cozy 74 degrees and the auxiliary heat still has
> not come on. These new heat pumps are absolutely
> fantastic!

Knew the moment the temps dropped below 20 that some troll would come on to boast about how well his fictitious heat pump was working. I have natural gas for the main part of the house. The addition has a heat pump, but it also has ducts from the main part of the house as well that are usually kept closed. I had to open them up when the temps dropped because the heat pump could not keep up.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: HomeOwner9 ()
Date: January 06, 2018 10:08AM

HomeOwnerPerson Wrote:
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> HVAC Guy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The best way to heat your home is with a
> > combination coal, oil, wood furnace. You can
> use
> > any one of these three fuels to heat your home.
> It
> > has been proven to be the most efficient, cost
> > effective and comfortable way to heat your
> home.
> > Many people in the DC metro area have been
> > converting their heat pumps or gas furnaces to
> > this type of system. This is very popular in
> the
> > northern US and Canada. I highly recommend it.
> The
> > upfront cost is similar to a gas furnace, but
> the
> > long-term savings make it worthwhile. I
> recommend
> > investigating it.
>
> We just had one of these installed and it is
> great. We are currently burning coal. Last month,
> we used oil. The coal is great in this frigid
> weather! We are really happy with this unit. Much
> better than gas.


I, too am surprised more people aren't going with this option. I had this system installed in our home (Burke) last year and it is great. The coal option is surprisingly affordable. If you ever run out of coal, it is a simple switch over to wood or oil. Really convenient. And the heat this puts out... wow. Super efficient and keeps our home really toasty. Even today when it is frigid.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Hepburn ()
Date: January 06, 2018 10:22AM

Of course a coal or wood fire pumps out incredible heat. It's not like you can turn them off the moment the house reaches the desired temperature. All fossil fuels are inefficient because a certain amount of heat goes up the chimney. Coal and wood are more. So because they cannot stop and start depending on the temperatures. Plus they are higher maintenance than fuel oil, propane or natural gas.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: HVACguy13 ()
Date: January 06, 2018 10:58AM

Hepburn Wrote:
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> Of course a coal or wood fire pumps out incredible
> heat. It's not like you can turn them off the
> moment the house reaches the desired temperature.
> All fossil fuels are inefficient because a certain
> amount of heat goes up the chimney. Coal and wood
> are more. So because they cannot stop and start
> depending on the temperatures. Plus they are
> higher maintenance than fuel oil, propane or
> natural gas.

Not true. A triple fuel furnace like the one this person is talking about is incredibly efficient. Temperature is controlled by the fuel/air mixture and speed of the blower. It is actually more precise than your standard gas-fired furnace or heat pump.

I have installed quite a few of these in the NoVA area this year and I have heard nothing but glowing feedback. People love the flexibility, too! Most people stick with the coal, but the ability to switch over to wood or oil really appeals to homeowners.

You should investigate getting one.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Tippy's Taco #1 customer ()
Date: January 06, 2018 12:25PM

I've been so flatulent lately all that beefy warm air coming out my ass has kept my home a humid 83 degrees.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: FFXU roadside assistance ()
Date: January 06, 2018 03:50PM

vcnte Wrote:
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> Home hot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----
> >
> > My new heat pump is kicking ass. It is still a
> > cozy 74 degrees and the auxiliary heat still
> has
> > not come on. These new heat pumps are
> absolutely
> > fantastic!
>
> Knew the moment the temps dropped below 20 that
> some troll would come on to boast about how well
> his fictitious heat pump was working. I have
> natural gas for the main part of the house. The
> addition has a heat pump, but it also has ducts
> from the main part of the house as well that are
> usually kept closed. I had to open them up when
> the temps dropped because the heat pump could not
> keep up.


It sounds like you are getting trolled.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: ComfortablePerson8 ()
Date: January 06, 2018 08:51PM

FFXU roadside assistance Wrote:
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> vcnte Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Home hot Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > ----
> > >
> > > My new heat pump is kicking ass. It is still
> a
> > > cozy 74 degrees and the auxiliary heat still
> > has
> > > not come on. These new heat pumps are
> > absolutely
> > > fantastic!
> >
> > Knew the moment the temps dropped below 20 that
> > some troll would come on to boast about how
> well
> > his fictitious heat pump was working. I have
> > natural gas for the main part of the house.
> The
> > addition has a heat pump, but it also has ducts
> > from the main part of the house as well that
> are
> > usually kept closed. I had to open them up
> when
> > the temps dropped because the heat pump could
> not
> > keep up.
>
>
> It sounds like you are getting trolled.

Highly recommend the triple-fuel furnace people have been talking about in this thread. I have coal going right now and it is so warm in here! Really clean, too!

My neighbor has no idea I am burning coal just next door. Of course, I can burn wood or oil if my coal supply runs out. But the hopper looks really full, so I think I am good for the winter.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: FFXU roadside assistance ()
Date: January 07, 2018 08:15AM

ComfortablePerson8 Wrote:
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> FFXU roadside assistance Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > vcnte Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Home hot Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > ----
> > > >
> > > > My new heat pump is kicking ass. It is
> still
> > a
> > > > cozy 74 degrees and the auxiliary heat
> still
> > > has
> > > > not come on. These new heat pumps are
> > > absolutely
> > > > fantastic!
> > >
> > > Knew the moment the temps dropped below 20
> that
> > > some troll would come on to boast about how
> > well
> > > his fictitious heat pump was working. I have
> > > natural gas for the main part of the house.
> > The
> > > addition has a heat pump, but it also has
> ducts
> > > from the main part of the house as well that
> > are
> > > usually kept closed. I had to open them up
> > when
> > > the temps dropped because the heat pump could
> > not
> > > keep up.
> >
> >
> > It sounds like you are getting trolled.
>
> Highly recommend the triple-fuel furnace people
> have been talking about in this thread. I have
> coal going right now and it is so warm in here!
> Really clean, too!
>
> My neighbor has no idea I am burning coal just
> next door. Of course, I can burn wood or oil if my
> coal supply runs out. But the hopper looks really
> full, so I think I am good for the winter.


You are still getting trolled lol.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: FurnaceUser41 ()
Date: January 07, 2018 08:39AM

Woke up again this morning to a warm, toasty house thanks to the coal. Probably going to go back to wood or maybe cut it over to start burning the oil soon. Temps are expected to rebound soon. But, as long as they are in the teens - coal it is!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: hvac tech ()
Date: February 09, 2018 05:09PM

A gas furnace is like a tampon - sooner or later every pussy has one. Real men use heat pumps.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Gas Oven ()
Date: February 09, 2018 05:32PM

Nigga, Noooooooooooooo!
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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Oh so warm ()
Date: February 10, 2018 07:44AM

Was it cold this winter? I wouldn't know cuz I have gas heat.

Silver lining for losers with heat pumps is that all that shivering helps you lose weight off your fatasses.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: WGL 4 u 2 ()
Date: February 10, 2018 09:46AM

btu consumer Wrote:
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> This was a very informative thread. I think the
> best answer for heating in Fairfax is the dual
> fuel heat pump. Use the heat pump 85% of the time
> and enjoy efficiency that a gas furnace cannot
> even come close to. Cut on that toasty warm gas
> furnace when the outdoor temps drop into the
> twenty's or any time you feel a chill and just
> want that blast of heat. Screw oil, it smells bad.


You got the exactly correct answer to the OP's question. That is the best way.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: hellman's mayo and salt ()
Date: October 26, 2018 10:00AM

The climate we have around here is perfect for heat pumps.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: woody ()
Date: October 26, 2018 10:43AM

A heat pump is okay as long as you have a woodstove for those really cold days.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: w6mph ()
Date: October 26, 2018 11:29PM

Consumer-Focus-Oil-Heat-Campaign-800x800


What I did is emailed companies and conservation groups for brochures.

I am now regularly sent about 10,000 brochures a week in the USPS mail, which is plenty of fuel.



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this burner hear burns _anything_ i put in it. very hot.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: ntdnc ()
Date: October 26, 2018 11:31PM

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: dkvxt ()
Date: October 26, 2018 11:33PM

420 posts on the best heat?

who's the moderator on the channel?

if i print all the answers i'll have enough fuel for 1/2 the winter!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: drywall dan ()
Date: October 27, 2018 12:29PM

trust me Wrote:
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> heat pumps are great for ac all summer and good
> for much of the winter (as long as temp above 30)
>
> backup heat with gas,propane is more economical
> and comfortable for temps below 30
>
> wood or pellet stove for the really cold nights is
> really comfortable


My inverter technology heat pump works well even at 9 degrees below zero outside. That's as low as I have tested it so far.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Ganter lane ()
Date: December 09, 2018 01:20PM

drywall dan Wrote:
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> trust me Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > heat pumps are great for ac all summer and good
> > for much of the winter (as long as temp above
> 30)
> >
> > backup heat with gas,propane is more economical
> > and comfortable for temps below 30
> >
> > wood or pellet stove for the really cold nights
> is
> > really comfortable
>
>
> My inverter technology heat pump works well even
> at 9 degrees below zero outside. That's as low as
> I have tested it so far.


I have a Mitsubishi inverter technology heat pump. It has no backup heat and is rated at 73% capacity at 13 degrees below zero outside temperature. It uses so little power that I can run it off a portable generator during a power failure. I used to have gas heat but now I only have a gas water heater. My bills have never been lower and my house has never been more comfortable.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Toasty Warm ()
Date: December 09, 2018 10:25PM

"Inverter Technology" = $$$ up front co$t in most ca$e$

For retrofitting most homes in this area, your best bet is a hybrid gas furnace/heat pump with a switchover set somewhere between 20 and 35 degrees F. The heat pump will do the job the vast majority of the time, but when the outside temps drop really low then the gas will cover you. If you don't have gas at your home, then you probably have an oil tank and in that case, you can run a hybrid oil furnace/heat pump. NOTHING heats faster than oil, and with a hybrid system you won't use much oil. Still more expensive than gas, but that oil heat is sweet! If you don;t have gas or an oil tank, then maybe you have propane and you can do a hybrid with that. Failing all that, you're down to a hybrid electric (coils)/heat pump system.

IF you are building a new home and can swing the up front cost, THEN maybe a Mistubishi ductless system with a heat pump could make sense.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: WDVUL ()
Date: December 10, 2018 01:10AM

Bear in mind that with dual fuel heatpump/furnace systems, the heatpump CANNOT run at the same time as the furnace.

Whereas with heatpump/electric resistance heat, the heatpump can run at the same time as the electric resistance heat.

If the furnace is oil or propane, this could end up costing more than if the backup heat were electric, especially if the installer didn't set the switchover temperature correctly (some seem to think heatpumps are completely useless below 35F, which isn't true).

Also, heatpumps with demand defrost are more efficient than those with fixed-interval defrost. Pretty much below about 25F the demand defrost ones won't go into defrost very often, if it all while the old fixed-interval ones are doing it every 60 or 90 minutes.

There's a company that makes a replacement demand-defrost control that costs about $90 and can retrofit a fixed-interval defrost control (the Emerson 47D01U-843 Universal Heat Pump Defrost Control).

That would probably pay for itself in a single winter.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: four systems here :) ()
Date: December 10, 2018 02:46AM

1) Old school hydronic baseboard powered by a gas boiler
2) Electric Heat Pump
3) Electric Supplemental Heat when it gets really cold
4) Wood fireplaces on the upper and lower levels

Haven't had occasion to use anything but 1) outside of testing scenarios, as its cheap, reliably, and comfortable :)

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Toasty Warm ()
Date: December 10, 2018 11:45AM

WDVUL Wrote:
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> Bear in mind that with dual fuel heatpump/furnace
> systems, the heatpump CANNOT run at the same time
> as the furnace.
>
> Whereas with heatpump/electric resistance heat,
> the heatpump can run at the same time as the
> electric resistance heat.
>
> If the furnace is oil or propane, this could end
> up costing more than if the backup heat were
> electric, especially if the installer didn't set
> the switchover temperature correctly (some seem to
> think heatpumps are completely useless below 35F,
> which isn't true).

Good point a bout the crossover temp. I think most heat pumps will do quite fine at 35 without switching to aux heat, but not so great below 20. Carrier has a system where you can set a range for the crossover: a low temp below which the heat pump is not used and a high temp above which the aux heat is not used. In between it tries to use the heat pump but if the internal temperature takes too long to increase, then it will switch over to the aux heat. So you can set the low point at 20 degrees and the high point at 35 degrees and it will "intelligently" switch over in that range, depending on other factors.

You are also right about installers. I've seen them set the crossover at 40 degrees which is way too high, IMO. That is why God and AlGore gave us the Interwebs. You can find the installer's manual on-line for pretty much any system, and that will give you the "trick" (e.g., press and hold a certain button for ten seconds) to access ALL of the settings - not just the user-adjustable settings. You can then go in and set the crossover however you like. You can even do trial and error and keep adjusting the crossover until it works the way you like it.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Ganter lane ()
Date: December 10, 2018 05:02PM

Toasty Warm Wrote:
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> "Inverter Technology" = $$$ up front co$t in most
> ca$e$
>
> For retrofitting most homes in this area, your
> best bet is a hybrid gas furnace/heat pump with a
> switchover set somewhere between 20 and 35 degrees
> F. The heat pump will do the job the vast
> majority of the time, but when the outside temps
> drop really low then the gas will cover you. If
> you don't have gas at your home, then you probably
> have an oil tank and in that case, you can run a
> hybrid oil furnace/heat pump. NOTHING heats
> faster than oil, and with a hybrid system you
> won't use much oil. Still more expensive than
> gas, but that oil heat is sweet! If you don;t
> have gas or an oil tank, then maybe you have
> propane and you can do a hybrid with that.
> Failing all that, you're down to a hybrid electric
> (coils)/heat pump system.
>
> IF you are building a new home and can swing the
> up front cost, THEN maybe a Mistubishi ductless
> system with a heat pump could make sense.


My mitsubishi is ducted. It went right in where the gas furnace and A-C coil were ripped out. I do have a ductless mini-split in my bonus room over the garage but it is not inverter technology like my ducted system. I have a strip of baseboard electric heat in the bonus room as a backup but I have never needed to use it.
I am thinking of getting a desuperheater to preheat the water going to my gas water heater, looks like it will pay for itself but it might take a few years.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: warmburger ()
Date: January 21, 2019 09:19AM

I had my doubts but my IT Mitsubishi kept my entire house at 73 degrees all night without any backup heat. These heat pumps are incredible.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Toasty Warm ()
Date: January 21, 2019 10:28AM

warmburger Wrote:
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> I had my doubts but my IT Mitsubishi kept my
> entire house at 73 degrees all night without any
> backup heat. These heat pumps are incredible.

That's terrific!

So what is the model of that IT Mistubishi heat pump? Is it the Mr. Slim P-Series, or something else?

TIA!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Chilly Pump ()
Date: January 21, 2019 10:36AM

Never, ever rely on a heatpump north of Richmond, unless you like to freeze your ass off when winter really hits.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: The Flame Beats The Wire ()
Date: January 21, 2019 10:53AM

Gas warm natural gas turn the heat up and the temp moves up, heat pumps are for stupid Liberal Democrats that want to freeze and walk to work in frigid conditions to virtual signal for what or who ? Their neighbor their Facebook friends ! Who Cares ! Im warm with gas

Gas cheaper to repair and replace no brain needed just like on Nov 8th Trump was the only choice and that will repeat in 2020 unless pence runs then he will be the only choice and a excellent one

Mark Warner is not a choice

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: LOLOLOLOL... ()
Date: January 21, 2019 11:01AM

Who would ever take advice from a redneck dumbfuck? Probably shops at Aldi too, and dines out for special occasions at Applebee's. L-O-S-E-R!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: humid harry ()
Date: January 21, 2019 11:22AM

warmburger Wrote:
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> I had my doubts but my IT Mitsubishi kept my
> entire house at 73 degrees all night without any
> backup heat. These heat pumps are incredible.

Inverter Technology is the shit.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: BOCA code ()
Date: November 30, 2019 11:54AM

Soon laws will be in place to require any new home built below the Mason-Dixon line to be heated by a heat pump. These laws are way overdue.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: #2 oil ()
Date: December 01, 2019 10:17AM

BOCA code Wrote:
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> Soon laws will be in place to require any new home
> built below the Mason-Dixon line to be heated by a
> heat pump. These laws are way overdue.

Keep your laws off my oil fired boiler bro. Thanks.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: PatrickS ()
Date: May 26, 2020 07:56AM

Hey guys, you know I lived in China for 2 years and there was no central heating in my apartment and there was a choice what to set up. I couldnt make up my mind for about 2 weeks until I found an article about air conditioners on the website and I read all about it and I been thinking and comparing all the pros and cons comparing that and gas oil and finally made a decision to set up a conditioner. It can heat my room faster and its much cheaper in use.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: it's methed up ()
Date: May 26, 2020 11:35AM

BOCA code Wrote:
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> Soon laws will be in place to require any new home
> built below the Mason-Dixon line to be heated by a
> heat pump. These laws are way overdue.


That can work if the drug-addicted retards who build these houses realize that they are building a house and not a barn.

Otherwise, a heat pump isn't going to work very well to heat a house that's looser than white-trash pussy.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Heating guy. ()
Date: October 22, 2020 05:05AM

Air to air heat pumps are absolutely perfect for the climate in this area. Gas furnaces are filthy and dangerous.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: herman. ()
Date: October 22, 2020 04:52PM

Heating guy. Wrote:
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> Air to air heat pumps are absolutely perfect for
> the climate in this area. Gas furnaces are filthy
> and dangerous.

I grew up in a house with a gas furnace and I miss it. It was clean and never hurt anyone, warm as hell too. I use a heat pump now and it is okay but not as comfy as gas on a cold day.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Windmills ()
Date: April 15, 2021 02:40PM

That will be the only way to get electric strip baseboard heat when Dems pack the high court and everything else is banned

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: 52......72 ()
Date: April 16, 2021 04:01AM

Alan G Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Alan G Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > GAS AND OIL FURNACES MUST BE BANNED, COAL AND
> > WOOD
> > > AS WELL!!
> >
> >
> > If you are that into saving the environment why
> > not turn your thermostat down 45 degrees? A
> > healthy person adequately clothed could easily
> > survive in that temperature and even if you have
> a
> > heat pump it would save fossil fuels.
>
>
> That is an outstanding idea! Maybe just a little
> warmer than that though. I plan to roll out the
> "52 degrees is he new 72 degrees campaign". Our
> government could start requiring that all
> thermostats sold and used in this country will go
> no higher than 60 degrees for heat and no lower
> than 79 degrees for cooling. We would give
> homeowners 3 years to comply with the new
> thermostat regulations. After that we would have
> federal, state and local law enforcement obtain a
> warrant to enter the homes that have not replaced
> their thermostats. We can have government
> contractors replace the thermostats and put a lien
> on the property to cover the cost. The thermostats
> would also link up to the cell phone network so
> the temperature can be monitored by the dept. of
> energy and the EPA.


That is a great idea! All new homes being built should be required to heat with heat pumps as well.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Black Caulk ()
Date: April 16, 2021 06:54AM

Burning niggers to heat your home is perhaps the most beneficial to society.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: At least I can see ()
Date: April 16, 2021 12:54PM

Thank God I still have about 30 incandescent light bulbs in storage.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Amana 16 SEER Heat pump ()
Date: April 16, 2021 09:34PM

I installed a 16SEER Amana/Goodman heat pump in 2017. $8,000 including air handler. The supplemental heat engages between 11 and 13 degrees. My heating bills went from up to $300 to less than $100 every month.

The system is half paid for already based upon annual utility bill savings. It is very quiet.

McLean location

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: fcps building engineer. ()
Date: April 17, 2021 07:36AM

Amana 16 SEER Heat pump Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I installed a 16SEER Amana/Goodman heat pump in
> 2017. $8,000 including air handler. The
> supplemental heat engages between 11 and 13
> degrees. My heating bills went from up to $300 to
> less than $100 every month.
>
> The system is half paid for already based upon
> annual utility bill savings. It is very quiet.
>
> McLean location

Fuck those Amana pieces of shit, they Are American made and don't last very long. The Mutsubishi hyper-heat pumps are much more efficient and they don't even have backup heaters in them. Even at outdoor temperatures of 20 degrees below zero they still have 80% of their rated capacity.
Fairfax county schools and government are putting lots of these Mitsubishi systems in older buildings and they are fantastic.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: fcps building engineer. ()
Date: April 17, 2021 07:42AM

At least I can see Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thank God I still have about 30 incandescent light
> bulbs in storage.

I guess you have not heard that the ban on incandescent light bulbs in the US was lifted in 2019.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49591143

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Perth ct ()
Date: April 18, 2021 12:26PM

fcps building engineer. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Amana 16 SEER Heat pump Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I installed a 16SEER Amana/Goodman heat pump in
> > 2017. $8,000 including air handler. The
> > supplemental heat engages between 11 and 13
> > degrees. My heating bills went from up to $300
> to
> > less than $100 every month.
> >
> > The system is half paid for already based upon
> > annual utility bill savings. It is very quiet.
> >
> > McLean location
>
> Fuck those Amana pieces of shit, they Are American
> made and don't last very long. The Mutsubishi
> hyper-heat pumps are much more efficient and they
> don't even have backup heaters in them. Even at
> outdoor temperatures of 20 degrees below zero they
> still have 80% of their rated capacity.
> Fairfax county schools and government are putting
> lots of these Mitsubishi systems in older
> buildings and they are fantastic.


Why is the county spending our tax dollars on Jap equipment? There has got to be some good American heat pumps that will get the job done.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: coyoz ()
Date: April 18, 2021 03:08PM

fcps building engineer. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Fuck those Amana pieces of shit, they Are American
> made and don't last very long. The Mutsubishi
> hyper-heat pumps are much more efficient and they
> don't even have backup heaters in them. Even at
> outdoor temperatures of 20 degrees below zero they
> still have 80% of their rated capacity.
> Fairfax county schools and government are putting
> lots of these Mitsubishi systems in older
> buildings and they are fantastic.

LOL. Mitsubishi uses R410A refrigerant in those heat pumps. Know what Amana is using? Same stuff. Even Mitsubishi's own literature says when the temperature is down to -13 their equipment is only working at 60% efficiency. They like to use the expression "still putting out heat". That may matter if you are trying to avoid freezing. For heating systems people want something putting out heat at a range that makes them comfortable.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: oh the ignorance. ()
Date: April 19, 2021 05:08AM

coyoz Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fcps building engineer. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Fuck those Amana pieces of shit, they Are
> American
> > made and don't last very long. The Mutsubishi
> > hyper-heat pumps are much more efficient and
> they
> > don't even have backup heaters in them. Even at
> > outdoor temperatures of 20 degrees below zero
> they
> > still have 80% of their rated capacity.
> > Fairfax county schools and government are
> putting
> > lots of these Mitsubishi systems in older
> > buildings and they are fantastic.
>
> LOL. Mitsubishi uses R410A refrigerant in those
> heat pumps. Know what Amana is using? Same
> stuff. Even Mitsubishi's own literature says when
> the temperature is down to -13 their equipment is
> only working at 60% efficiency. They like to use
> the expression "still putting out heat". That may
> matter if you are trying to avoid freezing. For
> heating systems people want something putting out
> heat at a range that makes them comfortable.


It sounds like you have no idea what the difference is between efficiency and capacity.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Gunther ()
Date: April 19, 2021 11:33AM

Get a job and pay your bills!!!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Cold Drafty Expensive Wasteful ()
Date: April 19, 2021 08:05PM

Electric baseboard heat is all you get, when oil coal and natural gas is banned to make the juice or burn the flame and were running by hand like a whorehouse when the hookers quit or on wind power and solar when Dems pack that court

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: tralfaz ()
Date: April 19, 2021 08:11PM

fcps building engineer. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> At least I can see Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thank God I still have about 30 incandescent
> light
> > bulbs in storage.
>
> I guess you have not heard that the ban on
> incandescent light bulbs in the US was lifted in
> 2019.
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49591143


Nobody wants those old light bulbs anyway.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: made in japan ()
Date: April 20, 2021 04:56AM

Perth ct Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fcps building engineer. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Amana 16 SEER Heat pump Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I installed a 16SEER Amana/Goodman heat pump
> in
> > > 2017. $8,000 including air handler. The
> > > supplemental heat engages between 11 and 13
> > > degrees. My heating bills went from up to
> $300
> > to
> > > less than $100 every month.
> > >
> > > The system is half paid for already based
> upon
> > > annual utility bill savings. It is very
> quiet.
> > >
> > > McLean location
> >
> > Fuck those Amana pieces of shit, they Are
> American
> > made and don't last very long. The Mutsubishi
> > hyper-heat pumps are much more efficient and
> they
> > don't even have backup heaters in them. Even at
> > outdoor temperatures of 20 degrees below zero
> they
> > still have 80% of their rated capacity.
> > Fairfax county schools and government are
> putting
> > lots of these Mitsubishi systems in older
> > buildings and they are fantastic.
>
>
> Why is the county spending our tax dollars on Jap
> equipment? There has got to be some good American
> heat pumps that will get the job done.


Are you kidding? In case you have not noticed Americans cannot make a decent product anymore. American cars suck and American hvac equipment sucks. Thank God the county is smart enough to use our tax dollars wisely and buy Japanese stuff.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Milky Floor ()
Date: May 14, 2021 11:37AM

Let's be honest, most of any tools and equipment are made in China, Japan and Korea. "Giant" countries like the United States and the Russian Federation do not produce anything and are only freeloaders on a global scale, which only pollute the environment. I try to produce less garbage and not encourage modern dirty energy and so I read a lot about solar power station. I'm thinking of installing solar panels at home.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Heat man ()
Date: November 12, 2021 09:21AM

Heat pumps are the only way to go in this region.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: given all the choices ()
Date: November 12, 2021 09:26AM

Heat pump with bnatural gas backup system. American Standard is my choice.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: well@ ()
Date: November 12, 2021 09:28AM

coyoz Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fcps building engineer. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Fuck those Amana pieces of shit, they Are
> American
> > made and don't last very long. The Mutsubishi
> > hyper-heat pumps are much more efficient and
> they
> > don't even have backup heaters in them. Even at
> > outdoor temperatures of 20 degrees below zero
> they
> > still have 80% of their rated capacity.
> > Fairfax county schools and government are
> putting
> > lots of these Mitsubishi systems in older
> > buildings and they are fantastic.
>
> LOL. Mitsubishi uses R410A refrigerant in those
> heat pumps. Know what Amana is using? Same
> stuff. Even Mitsubishi's own literature says when
> the temperature is down to -13 their equipment is
> only working at 60% efficiency. They like to use
> the expression "still putting out heat". That may
> matter if you are trying to avoid freezing. For
> heating systems people want something putting out
> heat at a range that makes them comfortable.

In the winter here, you need gas backup because a heat pump won't do it in December/January. Also, if you have a whole house humdifier, you don't have to set the heat as high because the air feels more comfortable.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Heat man ()
Date: November 12, 2021 09:35AM

well@ Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> coyoz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fcps building engineer. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > Fuck those Amana pieces of shit, they Are
> > American
> > > made and don't last very long. The Mutsubishi
> > > hyper-heat pumps are much more efficient and
> > they
> > > don't even have backup heaters in them. Even
> at
> > > outdoor temperatures of 20 degrees below zero
> > they
> > > still have 80% of their rated capacity.
> > > Fairfax county schools and government are
> > putting
> > > lots of these Mitsubishi systems in older
> > > buildings and they are fantastic.
> >
> > LOL. Mitsubishi uses R410A refrigerant in
> those
> > heat pumps. Know what Amana is using? Same
> > stuff. Even Mitsubishi's own literature says
> when
> > the temperature is down to -13 their equipment
> is
> > only working at 60% efficiency. They like to
> use
> > the expression "still putting out heat". That
> may
> > matter if you are trying to avoid freezing.
> For
> > heating systems people want something putting
> out
> > heat at a range that makes them comfortable.
>
> In the winter here, you need gas backup because a
> heat pump won't do it in December/January. Also,
> if you have a whole house humdifier, you don't
> have to set the heat as high because the air feels
> more comfortable.

That is total bullshit. Mitsubishi heat pumps don't even have backup heat anymore and run at 300 to 400 percent efficiency. Humidifiers are only needed for stupid people who use gas or oil for their heat.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Dominion Va power fan ()
Date: February 09, 2022 01:25PM

Heat pumps are the only way to go in this area , 300 to 400% efficient. Gas furnaces cannot even get to 100%.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Geothermal vs Air to Air Systems ()
Date: February 09, 2022 02:43PM

Direct Exchange Geothermal Heat Pumps are the way to go and don't need as much land for trenches or a deep well (as traditional Geothermal systems). You get tax credits for geothermal too! Air to air heat pumps might be all you need for the Tidewater and Piedmont regions, but further west where temps are more extreme I'd only go geothermal. Lots of Youtube videos on this.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Dom En distributes Nat Gas ()
Date: February 09, 2022 05:48PM

Dominion Va power fan Wrote:
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> Heat pumps are the only way to go in this area ,
> 300 to 400% efficient. Gas furnaces cannot even
> get to 100%.

You mean thermal efficiency. Not financial efficiency and not comfort efficiency. Why would I care about the thermal efficiency of my home if I was more comfortable and was spending less on a less thermally efficient system?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: mister btu ()
Date: February 10, 2022 05:14AM

Geothermal vs Air to Air Systems Wrote:
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> Direct Exchange Geothermal Heat Pumps are the way
> to go and don't need as much land for trenches or
> a deep well (as traditional Geothermal systems).
> You get tax credits for geothermal too! Air to air
> heat pumps might be all you need for the Tidewater
> and Piedmont regions, but further west where temps
> are more extreme I'd only go geothermal. Lots of
> Youtube videos on this.

The high cost of installing the ground loop wipes out any chance of a geothermal system being cost effective. Even with the tax credits geothermal is a money pit. Some people like to install them just to "Go Green" and save the planet and all that shit. These Japanese air to air heat pumps are so awesome now that geothermal no longer makes sense.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Thrifty Fuel ()
Date: February 10, 2022 04:20PM

Being in Fairfax county, I used to heat my home by burning the plastic shopping bags that I'd get from the store. Now that they've invoked the 5 cent bag tax, I'm now having to pay to heat my home. Damn Liberals!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Go Asian. ()
Date: February 12, 2022 07:45AM

Heat pumps are great as long as you don't buy one made in the USA. The Japs and the S Koreans make far better equipment than the USA does.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: 45y56 ()
Date: February 12, 2022 04:39PM

DROP DEAD SPAMMER

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: ygiugy876t86t7t8 ()
Date: February 12, 2022 05:01PM

Buy a big furnace and burn liberal democrats for heat. The plus is you get to hear their screams and you are making the world a better place!

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: FFU’s Heating Expert ()
Date: February 12, 2022 05:08PM

ygiugy876t86t7t8 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Buy a big furnace and burn liberal democrats for
> heat. The plus is you get to hear their screams
> and you are making the world a better place!


Are you also a scholar “mein kampf”?

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Pay No Attention ()
Date: March 03, 2022 07:12PM

To what happened today in Mount Gum County where a apt complex building exploded , you can't beat gas heat !


Seriously to hell with heat pumps

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: 47 percent ()
Date: March 06, 2022 04:03PM

Natural gas is dangerous. I knew a couple people that died from it.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: woody 1 ()
Date: March 14, 2022 08:46PM

Fuck gas and oil. Heat pump with a wood stove for cold nights is the way to go.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: sticks n shit ()
Date: January 20, 2023 04:39AM

woody 1 Wrote:
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> Fuck gas and oil. Heat pump with a wood stove for
> cold nights is the way to go.

Using a wood stove is a bitch move and will soon be illegal.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Heat Pumps Suck ()
Date: January 21, 2023 12:35AM

Overly expensive one system to screw up are heat pumps . Ill stick with my newer simple 96% single stage gas furnace and newer simple separate electric 14 seer rugged AC unit even though uncaring rich old bumbling fool JOE BIDEN DEMOCRAT president has caused the cost of natural gas to jump to twice what it was when president Trump was in office by his woke energy policy failure which was foresaw and no surprise to the wise

Laugh your asses off liberals by 20234 the people other then in govt money fairylands like Nova will be so sick of Democrats Trump will be in like our man Flint leaving the pompous ass liberal elites screaming in tears again

Listen Mr Liberal heat pump troll you have so many of us laughing our asses off seeing that you think people are believing you ! FOOL ! Heat pumps suck compared to the instant heat of gas heat, flick on the gas furnace ,it leaps to heat your home in minutes , do the same with a heat pump and get out the blankets hot Irish coffee and dangerous electric space heaters hoping you don't burn the place down by the time it warms up .

Drafty nasty expensive electric heat pumps suck , now in the country or where there's no gas your stuck with the suck if you don't want very expensive fuel oil heat Lp -propane or baseboard strip powered in half ass style by your solar roof panels like a cold green fool

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Walli ()
Date: January 21, 2023 12:44AM

I see you used the term simple twice

It fits because "simple" are the people who choose by choice heat pumps over natural gas

And yes gas is twice as much now then it was 2 years ago because president Joe Biden a Democrat is also like a "simpleton" puppet of the far lefts whims when it comes to our national energy policies

Look at "Green Joe" will you , simple as he is when he still had hair

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: not retarded ()
Date: January 21, 2023 08:05AM

Heat Pumps Suck Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Overly expensive one system to screw up are heat
> pumps . Ill stick with my newer simple 96% single
> stage gas furnace and newer simple separate
> electric 14 seer rugged AC unit even though
> uncaring rich old bumbling fool JOE BIDEN DEMOCRAT
> president has caused the cost of natural gas to
> jump to twice what it was when president Trump was
> in office by his woke energy policy failure which
> was foresaw and no surprise to the wise
>
> Laugh your asses off liberals by 20234 the people
> other then in govt money fairylands like Nova will
> be so sick of Democrats Trump will be in like our
> man Flint leaving the pompous ass liberal elites
> screaming in tears again
>
> Listen Mr Liberal heat pump troll you have so many
> of us laughing our asses off seeing that you think
> people are believing you ! FOOL ! Heat pumps suck
> compared to the instant heat of gas heat, flick on
> the gas furnace ,it leaps to heat your home in
> minutes , do the same with a heat pump and get out
> the blankets hot Irish coffee and dangerous
> electric space heaters hoping you don't burn the
> place down by the time it warms up .
>
> Drafty nasty expensive electric heat pumps suck ,
> now in the country or where there's no gas your
> stuck with the suck if you don't want very
> expensive fuel oil heat Lp -propane or baseboard
> strip powered in half ass style by your solar roof
> panels like a cold green fool


Why do you always fall for this guys trolling? Are you retarded? You are giving this guy exactly what he wants. You are letting him make you his bitch.

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: Kollen ()
Date: February 22, 2023 12:38PM

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Re: best way to heat your home in fairfax? gas oil or heat pump?
Posted by: bebogra ()
Date: August 15, 2023 04:17AM

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