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Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker ()
Date: March 02, 2012 01:06PM

Okay, I'm not 100% certain, but BWW's Crystal City location has no smoking section. It's going to be huge. Why not even a small area for smokers? No none smoker will be exposed in the slightest. Why not? Because this entire area appeals to sissies who don't even want to be around people who smoke, even if the smoking isn't going on where they are. I realize this is capitalism, and they have a right to make the choice, but at least 1 new place for someone who only smokes when he drinks? Is that asking too much? It's not like a buffalo wing place is a health club. If you want to be healthy, going to a place that serves deep fried chicken wings and empty calorie alcohol isn't the right place.. Some people enjoy smoking while they drink. Is this really asking for too much?

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: VA Phins Fan ()
Date: March 02, 2012 01:15PM

As an employee in the service industry, business is better after the ban was implemented. Plus I don't go home and smell like I smoked four packs.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: snowdenscold ()
Date: March 02, 2012 01:21PM

socialsmoker Wrote:
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Is this really asking for too much?


Yes, take your nasty smoking habits elsewhere. The difference between fried food and smoking is that when other people eat it, it doesn't make you fat.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Date: March 02, 2012 01:30PM

It's the state law. You can't smoke in bars or restaurants in VA. I think an exception may be made for restaurants and bars that occupy more than one floor, though.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: whynotindeed ()
Date: March 02, 2012 01:33PM

If there's a market for it, someone will try to exploit it. If there isn't a market for it, then you're on your own. It's obvious that they can make more money off of people who don't smoke and don't want to be around it, than those who do.

BWW also has a large NO GUNS sign on the front of it, so many pro-2nd amendment organizations such as the NRA and VCDL recommend going elsewhere. Do you think that BWW is owned by members of the Brady organization and that they feel so strongly about firearms ownership and carrying, that they made it a company policy to send a message? No, they probably felt that after getting some uptight mom's complaining that they saw some people who weren't cops open carrying in their restaurant, they could appeal to the soccer mom crowd and make a half-assed appeal that they're safer in this restaurant than another, because some drunken rambo isn't going to start shooting up the place, and therefore get more of that family's money. As much as people like to think they do, very few businesses have a personal agenda other than making the most amount of money.

Good luck in your search

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker ()
Date: March 02, 2012 01:39PM

VA Phins Fan Wrote:
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> As an employee in the service industry, business
> is better after the ban was implemented. Plus I
> don't go home and smell like I smoked four packs.


So you needed the government to step in and make decisions for others rather than you being adult enough to get a job in a smoke free environment? Are you child?

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker ()
Date: March 02, 2012 01:40PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> It's the state law. You can't smoke in bars or
> restaurants in VA. I think an exception may be
> made for restaurants and bars that occupy more
> than one floor, though.


It's SERPARETELY VENTILATED AREA. It doesn't have to be on a different floor.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker ()
Date: March 02, 2012 01:42PM

snowdenscold Wrote:
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> socialsmoker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> Is this really asking for too much?
>
>
> Yes, take your nasty smoking habits elsewhere. The
> difference between fried food and smoking is that
> when other people eat it, it doesn't make you fat.


What about the drinking? When I smoke in a bar it doesn't put other drivers and pedestrians at risk. Or are you going to deny there are drunk driving fatalities and even risks from alcohol and being within the legal limit? It lowers your reflexes even if you are under the legal limit.

Nicotine nazis on proud display here. So much for the "keep your laws off my body" Only anal sex and abortion do you liberal ninnies want to protect.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: March 02, 2012 01:43PM

socialsmoker Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's the state law. You can't smoke in bars or
> > restaurants in VA. I think an exception may be
> > made for restaurants and bars that occupy more
> > than one floor, though.
>
>
> It's SERPARETELY VENTILATED AREA. It doesn't have
> to be on a different floor.


Just eat where you smoke - at the loading dock.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker ()
Date: March 02, 2012 01:45PM

I hope they pass a "effeminate male" ban in bars too. That would really empty Nova bars out a lot giving all the sissies in this area.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: snowdenscold ()
Date: March 02, 2012 02:43PM

socialsmoker Wrote:
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> snowdenscold Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > socialsmoker Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > Is this really asking for too much?
> >
> >
> > Yes, take your nasty smoking habits elsewhere.
> The
> > difference between fried food and smoking is
> that
> > when other people eat it, it doesn't make you
> fat.
>
>
> What about the drinking? When I smoke in a bar it
> doesn't put other drivers and pedestrians at risk.
> Or are you going to deny there are drunk driving
> fatalities and even risks from alcohol and being
> within the legal limit? It lowers your reflexes
> even if you are under the legal limit.
>
> Nicotine nazis on proud display here. So much for
> the "keep your laws off my body" Only anal sex
> and abortion do you liberal ninnies want to
> protect.

Actually I'm pro-life.
Anyway, when you're smoking at a restaurant, you are directly and immediately exposing those around you to it as well, which negatively impacts their health. When you allow drinking, there's only a chance someone will have too much, and then a chance a negative consequence will follow that. And we criminialize that behavior accordingly.


Times have changed. People don't want to be surrounded by smoke anymore. Welcome to the 21st century.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: hey crusty lungs ()
Date: March 02, 2012 04:26PM

Another "Im so important I dont give a shit how my behavior affects others". The same turds that toss their butts all over the highways but have caniption if the neighbors dog craps on their lawns. I just hate smokers.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker ()
Date: March 02, 2012 07:53PM

You wouldn't be around smokers since the law requires a separately ventilated area.

Also, where is the drycleaned clothing ban since they give off carcinogens ?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/study-perc-remains-in-dry-cleaned-clothes/2011/09/01/gIQAbiPsxJ_story.html

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Pat ()
Date: March 02, 2012 11:08PM

snowdenscold Wrote:
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> socialsmoker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > snowdenscold Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > socialsmoker Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > Is this really asking for too much?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, take your nasty smoking habits
> elsewhere.
> > The
> > > difference between fried food and smoking is
> > that
> > > when other people eat it, it doesn't make you
> > fat.
> >
To the contrary, saying that simply being around smokers is the same as smoking is the same as saying that if someone eating a pice of deep-fried chicken belches toward you, your cholesterol will go up.

> > > Anyway, when you're smoking at a restaurant, you
> are directly and immediately exposing those around
> you to it as well,

Yes, you are exposing them to about 1/10000 of what you're taking in. So what?





> Times have changed. People don't want to be
> surrounded by smoke anymore. Welcome to the 21st
> century.


This is because the public has fallen for outright lies. The agenda here is to eradicate the pastime of smoking by whatever means possible, even by lying to the public by employing junk science. Smoking bans hold as much logic as evacuating entire cities every time a building catches fire.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Just Say No ()
Date: March 02, 2012 11:30PM

I'm sure its still cool to go around stenching up the place. Keep smoking, cool guy!

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: ugh ()
Date: March 03, 2012 08:30AM

wish they would put in a ban that you have to smoke so many feet from entrances. Now you have to deal with the smokers right on top of the entrance with no regard for anyone. What else is new... these are the people who keep their windows rolled down and flicking out ashes and cigarette butts om the side of the road, the world is their ashtray.. do you really expect them to care about you when they don't even care about themselves?

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker ()
Date: March 03, 2012 08:33AM

Just Say No Wrote:
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> I'm sure its still cool to go around stenching up
> the place. Keep smoking, cool guy!


It must be nice to still have one group of people it's politically correct to hate. All that hatred and only smokers to target. Lot of hatred, but you still have one target for your bigotry. Let em have it!

Bigot.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Date: March 03, 2012 08:38AM

socialsmoker Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's the state law. You can't smoke in bars or
> > restaurants in VA. I think an exception may be
> > made for restaurants and bars that occupy more
> > than one floor, though.
>
>
> It's SERPARETELY VENTILATED AREA. It doesn't have
> to be on a different floor.


If that's the case, restaurants must believe there isn't a good ROI for the expense. Anyway, are you telling me you can't go for an hour without lighting up?

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: ugh ()
Date: March 03, 2012 08:46AM

I wouldn't compare to bigotry.. Cry me a river, when you are doing something harmful to yourself ... go right on ahead. When you start to do something harmful to others then I think we all have the right to 'hate' and be thankful for the restaurant bans and wish they would become a little stricter.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: ugh ()
Date: March 03, 2012 08:50AM

growing up with a smoker that died of lung cancer and one that had a massive heart attack they can't last 5 minutes without a complete nic-fit.. so no lasting an hour would be impossible. smokers are so set in their ways they don't care if they are oxygen or have a trichotemy, they are all about getting that good ole tasting garbage.

Another great example of a smoker f'ing with people's lives, thankfully he didn't kill others.. but he got that smooth tasting cigarette, and that's all that matters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/nj-fire-officials-emphysema-sufferer-smoking-in-car-with-leaky-oxygen-tank-causes-explosion/2012/02/28/gIQAbft0gR_story.html

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Random Dude ()
Date: March 03, 2012 09:10AM

Let's be honest, if you were truly a "social" smoker you wouldn't be that fired up about this.

If you've got a problem with a restaurant not having a smoking section, then speak with your wallet and don't go there. There are plenty of places in FFX Co. that have seperate ventilation systems where you can smoke and eat - get some wings at Hard Times in Springfield or Fairfax.

If you're really jonesing for some B-Dubs, then just get it to go and stay home and smoke.

Is it really that big of a deal?

socialsmoker Wrote:
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> It must be nice to still have one group of people
> it's politically correct to hate. All that hatred
> and only smokers to target. Lot of hatred, but you
> still have one target for your bigotry. Let em
> have it!
>
> Bigot.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Just Say No ()
Date: March 03, 2012 09:49AM

How about I bring a skunk into a bar? C'mon, its just ONE SKUNK! You're overreacting!

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 03, 2012 09:55AM

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker ()
Date: March 03, 2012 10:17AM

ugh Wrote:
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> growing up with a smoker that died of lung cancer
> and one that had a massive heart attack they can't
> last 5 minutes without a complete nic-fit.. so no
> lasting an hour would be impossible. smokers are
> so set in their ways they don't care if they are
> oxygen or have a trichotemy, they are all about
> getting that good ole tasting garbage.
>
> Another great example of a smoker f'ing with
> people's lives, thankfully he didn't kill others..
> but he got that smooth tasting cigarette, and
> that's all that matters.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/nj-fire-off
> icials-emphysema-sufferer-smoking-in-car-with-leak
> y-oxygen-tank-causes-explosion/2012/02/28/gIQAbft0
> gR_story.html


Should anal sex be banned then for health reasons, especially since like smoking, nobody needs it to survive? Or do you pick and choose which things you ban while screaming that you are progressive and protect individual liberties and freedom of choice?

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: potkettleblack ()
Date: March 03, 2012 11:57AM

socialsmoker Wrote:
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> I hope they pass a "effeminate male" ban in bars
> too. That would really empty Nova bars out a lot
> giving all the sissies in this area.

Anyone else see the irony in this guy writing this and then calling US bigots? Pretty funny stuff.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Henlarious ()
Date: March 03, 2012 12:33PM

You do realize it's state law that smoking isn't allowed in restaurants right?

socialsmoker Wrote:
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> Okay, I'm not 100% certain, but BWW's Crystal City
> location has no smoking section. It's going to be
> huge. Why not even a small area for smokers? No
> none smoker will be exposed in the slightest. Why
> not? Because this entire area appeals to sissies
> who don't even want to be around people who smoke,
> even if the smoking isn't going on where they are.
> I realize this is capitalism, and they have a
> right to make the choice, but at least 1 new place
> for someone who only smokes when he drinks? Is
> that asking too much? It's not like a buffalo wing
> place is a health club. If you want to be healthy,
> going to a place that serves deep fried chicken
> wings and empty calorie alcohol isn't the right
> place.. Some people enjoy smoking while they
> drink. Is this really asking for too much?

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: ButtCrime ()
Date: March 03, 2012 12:56PM

You live in Virginia, baby. Anal sex IS illegal. Smoking smells bad. Just go outside (and stand well clear of the door, please).


socialsmoker Wrote:
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> Should anal sex be banned...

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: snowdenscold ()
Date: March 03, 2012 02:09PM

ButtCrime Wrote:
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> You live in Virginia, baby. Anal sex IS illegal.
> Smoking smells bad. Just go outside (and stand
> well clear of the door, please).
>
>
> socialsmoker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Should anal sex be banned...


Well, the VA Sodomy law was invalidated by Lawrence v. Texas (2003), actually.

But yes, I agree, please stand well clear of the door - nothing worse than walking outside into a mass of 20 smokers right next to the door.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker ()
Date: March 03, 2012 02:13PM

snowdenscold Wrote:
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> ButtCrime Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You live in Virginia, baby. Anal sex IS
> illegal.
> > Smoking smells bad. Just go outside (and stand
> > well clear of the door, please).
> >
> >
> > socialsmoker Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Should anal sex be banned...
>
>
> Well, the VA Sodomy law was invalidated by
> Lawrence v. Texas (2003), actually.
>
> But yes, I agree, please stand well clear of the
> door - nothing worse than walking outside into a
> mass of 20 smokers right next to the door.


hey dickbreath: You have only yourself to blame for people smoking out side now becaues of your gay ass smoking bans. You ban them from smoking indoors, then whine about smelling smoke outdoors? What kind of prancing moron are you? So your soloution is to further persecute smokers?

It's funny what asshole bigots you so called progressives are.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: snowdenscold ()
Date: March 03, 2012 02:15PM

socialsmoker Wrote:
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> hey dickbreath: You have only yourself to blame
> for people smoking out side now becaues of your
> gay ass smoking bans. You ban them from smoking
> indoors, then whine about smelling smoke outdoors?
> What kind of prancing moron are you? So your
> soloution is to further persecute smokers?
>
> It's funny what asshole bigots you so called
> progressives are.

It's funny the assumptions you people make. Since I think the banning of smoking in restaurants is a good idea, I've been called a crazy liberal and pro-choice, when actually neither are true. Take your persecution complex elsewhere.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: kardiac ()
Date: March 03, 2012 02:53PM

I doubt you will find a restaurant owner/manager who would honestly tell you they miss smoking in their places. Business isn't down, all places had to stop and people gotta drink. The restaurant doesn't have to be cleaned of smoke damage and carpets are not ruined by ashes. That being said what I don't get is why more places don't create an outside enviornment for those that smoke to gather. I like cigars and there is no place really to smoke outdoors year round. Mortons on Connecticut Ave does it right with a patio enclosed with heaters.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Ray ()
Date: March 03, 2012 04:53PM

No one wants to smell your smoke, capice? You do not have a right to go into a public space and foul up everyone else's clothing with your second-hand stench. Sometimes you have to recognize when you are on the wrong side of the argument.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Dig-Dug ()
Date: March 03, 2012 05:16PM

socialsmoker,
Go to the ABC store, get your bottle, sit at home in front of your X-Box and smoke and drink as long as you want. Most servers dont want to be in the smoking section. Quit being a whinging bitch. You cannot come one here and change the LAW.

Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in the pool.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: LOL! ()
Date: March 03, 2012 05:20PM

Dig-Dug is right on.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: socialsmoker1 ()
Date: March 03, 2012 05:32PM

Dig-Dug Wrote:
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> socialsmoker,
> Go to the ABC store, get your bottle, sit at home
> in front of your X-Box and smoke and drink as long
> as you want. Most servers dont want to be in the
> smoking section. Quit being a whinging bitch.
> You cannot come one here and change the LAW.
>
> Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like
> having a peeing section in the pool.


Idiot.

Then why do they work those jobs?

And in VA, having a smoking section in a restaurant is like peeing in a wadding pool while there being no pee in the swimming pool.

There are SEPARETELY VENTILATED AREAS.
STop lying you mother fucking nicotine nazi. You fucking piece of shit control freak. Little fucking child who needs the government to act like the motherfucking whore of a mother of yours.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Dig-Dug ()
Date: March 03, 2012 05:39PM

socialsmoker1 Wrote:
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> Dig-Dug Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > socialsmoker,
> > Go to the ABC store, get your bottle, sit at
> home
> > in front of your X-Box and smoke and drink as
> long
> > as you want. Most servers dont want to be in
> the
> > smoking section. Quit being a whinging bitch.
> > You cannot come one here and change the LAW.
> >
> > Having a smoking section in a restaurant is
> like
> > having a peeing section in the pool.
>
>
> Idiot.
>
> Then why do they work those jobs?
>
> And in VA, having a smoking section in a
> restaurant is like peeing in a wadding pool while
> there being no pee in the swimming pool.
>
> There are SEPARETELY VENTILATED AREAS.
> STop lying you mother fucking nicotine nazi. You
> fucking piece of shit control freak. Little
> fucking child who needs the government to act like
> the motherfucking whore of a mother of yours.

WoW...so sensitive. Didnt mean to hit a nerve!

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: To:socialsmoker1 ()
Date: March 03, 2012 05:40PM

You just proved a valid point. All smokers are crazy in the head. Ha ha ha

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: You hit him ()
Date: March 03, 2012 05:50PM

While on his nicotine low.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: March 03, 2012 05:54PM

Dig-Dug Wrote:
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> socialsmoker,
> Go to the ABC store, get your bottle, sit at home
> in front of your X-Box and smoke and drink as long
> as you want. Most servers dont want to be in the
> smoking section. Quit being a whinging bitch.
> You cannot come one here and change the LAW.
>
> Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like
> having a peeing section in the pool.
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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: snowdenscold ()
Date: March 04, 2012 12:30AM

socialsmoker1 Wrote:
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> Dig-Dug Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > socialsmoker,
> > Go to the ABC store, get your bottle, sit at
> home
> > in front of your X-Box and smoke and drink as
> long
> > as you want. Most servers dont want to be in
> the
> > smoking section. Quit being a whinging bitch.
> > You cannot come one here and change the LAW.
> >
> > Having a smoking section in a restaurant is
> like
> > having a peeing section in the pool.
>
>
> Idiot.
>
> Then why do they work those jobs?
>

Typical. Make other people suffer for you. Why don't we just get rid of every OSHA regulation while we're at it.

I hear meat-packers in early 20th century Chicago had great working conditions (I mean, they had a choice to work elsewhere, right?) before Upton Sinclair wrote that darned book.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: wow. ()
Date: March 04, 2012 01:47AM

socialsmoker1 Wrote:


>
>
> Idiot.
>
> Then why do they work those jobs?
>
> And in VA, having a smoking section in a
> restaurant is like peeing in a wadding pool while
> there being no pee in the swimming pool.
>
> There are SEPARETELY VENTILATED AREAS.
> STop lying you mother fucking nicotine nazi. You
> fucking piece of shit control freak. Little
> fucking child who needs the government to act like
> the motherfucking whore of a mother of yours

Wow, sounds like you're pretty angry. Been a while since you've replenished the nicotine levels in your blood? Better take care of that before you come across as an addictive a-hole.
Oh...wait...

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Phil Morris ()
Date: March 04, 2012 09:06AM

OP is living proof that smoking turns you into a self-absorbed, grade-A asshole. Fortunately, smokers are doing their part to end their lives quickly and rid us of their foul smell and unabashed littering.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: March 04, 2012 05:57PM

This anti-smoking attitude is really getting carried away. Sure, I don't like it when I end up in a cloud of smoke, but you'd think that having separate areas of the restaurant would be enough (Especially bars, wtf?).

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Pat ()
Date: March 04, 2012 07:43PM

The assholes are the brainwashed nonsmokers who suddenly became offended by tobacco smoke the split second the government told them that it was harmful to them as well. Before that, next to nobody had a problem with smoking sections in public. Smokers and nonsmokers coexisted in harmony for decades. Now, in an excercise of social engineering unseen since the Third Reich, smoking is now not only unacceptable, but those who do it are regarded as the scum of the earth. Common sense has taken a backseat to ridiculous hysteria and blatant Jim-Crowesque discrimination that would have been unheard of as recently as 1985.

Saying that a few whiffs of secondhand smoke will kill a nonsmoker is as stupid as saying that if your neighbor 5 doors down sprays his lawn with dandelion killer, it will simply drift down to your yard and kill all your weeds, too. How anyone with any semblance of adequate intelligence cannot fathom this is truly baffling. Being in the same room with a smoker is about as life-threatening as an earthquake in Pakistan would be to someone standing in a cornfield in Nebraska.

The bottom line? Smokers are people, too, and deserve not only dignity, but accomodations to practice a legal pastime. Period.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: maybe you just stink ()
Date: March 04, 2012 07:49PM

Sure, and if I shit my pants and park my butt next to you at a bar its ok, both stink and the asshole doing it is equally inconsiderate.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: What an Idiot ()
Date: March 04, 2012 09:05PM

"Smokers and nonsmokers coexisted in harmony for decades."

Bullshit! We only put up with it because we didn't have any choice. Smokers have always been self-centered arrogant assholes, as exemplified by the guy who wrote this:

"Stop lying you mother fucking nicotine nazi. You fucking piece of shit control freak. Little fucking child who needs the government to act like the motherfucking whore of a mother of yours."

Back to Pat: "Smokers are people, too, and deserve not only dignity, but accomodations to practice a legal pastime."

Dignity? Are you kidding??? And smokers aren't a protected class, for God's sake. No one needs to "accomodate" their filthy habit.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Dig-Dug ()
Date: March 05, 2012 04:18AM

maybe you just stink Wrote:
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> Sure, and if I shit my pants and park my butt next
> to you at a bar its ok, both stink and the
> asshole doing it is equally inconsiderate.

That's funny, and a valid point. Good one!

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Pat ()
Date: March 05, 2012 02:31PM

Smokers most certainly ARE a protected class. Are you familar with the pursuit of happiness? The government has brainwashed people with lies, junk science, and literally ENCOURAGE nonsmokers to belittle smokers. Just like the post Civil-War Blacks, smokers today are to be "kept in their place."

The pure hatred of smokers is obvious in posts here and everywhere that this issue of public smoking is brought up. As for nonsmokers claiming that they were ALWAYS bothered by smoke, THAT is the bullshit. They weren't until they were systematically programmed to loathe smokers,and that didn't take place until around 1993 or so.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: lahlah ()
Date: April 28, 2012 11:44AM

Take a few rounds of chemo and radiation, then get back to us on that -

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Open Eye ()
Date: May 02, 2012 08:36PM

If smokers would stand in the dark in front of a mirror, holding a candle in front of them, and keep their eyes out of focus while putting their attention a bit behind their head, they might see two things--their auras, and the nasty Astral succubus-gargoyle-like Astral entity living attached in there that constantly whispers in their left innermost ear..."GIVE ME MORE SMOKE...MORE, MORE, MORE...GOTTA HAVE IT THRU YOU, GOTTA HAVE IT NOW..." It is like viewing your own Golem,the worst of your nightmares while yet wide awake! They are under the complete psychic control of this smoke-craved entity (usually the shade of a former but now "dead"--at least on the physical world-- smoker), and as a result when they are threatened by one who is not addicted, they scream and curse at those deemed to be the threats, but you're hearing the entity speaking--it has control now of their body for its own pleasure and nefarious purposes. They are like a human marionette, being totally controlled via their "strings"--attachment and addiction. When they die, they will likewise seek to take control of another physical addict via taking over the addicts Astral higher body so they can still vicariously enjoy their crap habit, "until that one drops dead and they must look for yet another body to take over or to inhabit, or reincarnate becoming a new smoker, with a new life to waste in polluting the environment.

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OMG! Talk about a STRETCH!!!
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: May 02, 2012 08:58PM

..........Just like the post Civil-War Blacks, smokers today are to be "kept in their place." ............

ROFLMMFAO!!!!!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

fucking CLAAAA-SIC!!!!!!!!

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Puff n' Pass ()
Date: May 02, 2012 09:08PM

Open Eye Wrote:
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> If smokers would stand in the dark in front of a
> mirror, holding a candle in front of them, and
> keep their eyes out of focus while putting their
> attention a bit behind their head, they might see
> two things--their auras, and the nasty Astral
> succubus-gargoyle-like Astral entity living
> attached in there that constantly whispers in
> their left innermost ear..."GIVE ME MORE
> SMOKE...MORE, MORE, MORE...GOTTA HAVE IT THRU YOU,
> GOTTA HAVE IT NOW..." It is like viewing your own
> Golem,the worst of your nightmares while yet wide
> awake! They are under the complete psychic
> control of this smoke-craved entity (usually the
> shade of a former but now "dead"--at least on the
> physical world-- smoker), and as a result when
> they are threatened by one who is not addicted,
> they scream and curse at those deemed to be the
> threats, but you're hearing the entity
> speaking--it has control now of their body for its
> own pleasure and nefarious purposes. They are like
> a human marionette, being totally controlled via
> their "strings"--attachment and addiction. When
> they die, they will likewise seek to take control
> of another physical addict via taking over the
> addicts Astral higher body so they can still
> vicariously enjoy their crap habit, "until that
> one drops dead and they must look for yet another
> body to take over or to inhabit, or reincarnate
> becoming a new smoker, with a new life to waste in
> polluting the environment.

Don't care about cigs but I want some of whatever it is you're smoking. Obviously some good shit. lmao

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: on the nightcrawl ()
Date: May 03, 2012 04:50AM

did PrimeTime bar on Waples Mill road just outside limits of the fair city of fairfax recently expand with a billards room and has smoking in that area?

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Former waiter ()
Date: May 03, 2012 08:14AM

The science that shows secondhand smoke to be harmful is not junk science. It's been peer-reviewed and proven. I'm not here to argue about that today, I'm here to address the issue of servers being able to work somewhere else if they don't like smoke...

OP,if you don't like restaurants not having smoking sections, you have the same freedom to patronize another establishment. Vote with your wallet.

Furthermore, sometimes that job is the only job a particular server CAN get, because other places are full. What happens when ALL restaurants in the server's area are smoking restaurants? What happens if the server is trying to earn money to put themselves through school? What happens if they're too poor to be able to move?? Sit there without a job on welfare?

I am a former waiter, and a lifelong non-smoker. Why should I have to dry clean all my clothing after work, and take a shower and wash my hair five times just to get secondhand smoke out of my clothing? Sure, it's legal, but it stinks, and it is harmful.

I have a cousin who was fired as a server. She ASKED, not insisted, ASKED her employer to please not assign her to tables in that restaurant's smoking area. She was told no, and to suck it up, because it was the patron's right to smoke. She said to the employer that she wasn't disputing it.

She cited the fact that she came home smelling of smoke as if she'd smoked four packs herself, despite being a non-smoker. She cited the fact that it affected her small child...as she had asthma. Her employer did not care.

She used her days off to look for a different job. It got back to her employer, and he fired her for it. She asked "why are you firing me?, you've given me superior performance ratings up to now"....the answer was disloyalty. She cited the previous conversations, and stressed the effect on her child's health...all to deaf ears. The employer said "Oh, now you have plenty of time to go look for that other job. I only want employees who are going to be loyal to me."

Apparently, loyalty only goes one way.

She was lucky. She found another job within a week, and she got paid more.
Other servers aren't so lucky.

Your freedom to smoke ends where my personal space begins when we're both out in public. You don't have the right to force exposure to secondhand smoke on other people, especially on private property.

Further, bar/restaurant owners have seen, here in Virginia, that business is UP since the smoking ban. Money talks, bullshit walks, and you, OP, are definitely full of the latter.

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: ShyGuy22 ()
Date: May 05, 2012 09:45AM

What about a weed smoking section!?

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Redtopper2 ()
Date: May 06, 2012 06:24PM

I love when people post that business is better in bars/restaurants without the smokers present. That is total BS, sometimes the business recovers but it has an impact when the restrictions are imposed. And some businesses don't recover and go out of business.

It is a legal product and the state and Federal governments take in major tax receipts. Ban the product if it so unhealthy but don't be so hypocritical to restrict its use. Let adults decide. Let us make the decision.

Which is more unhealthy, 2nd hand smoke from a bar 2x per month or driving impaired 2x per month??

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Re: Yet another chain huge bar/restaurant opening without a smoking section
Posted by: Redtopper ()
Date: May 06, 2012 06:42PM

Those 2nd hand smoke tests may be peer reviewed but their conclusions that 2nd hand smoke is just as unhealthy as a person smoking doesn't pass my common sense test. No way is that possible, maybe in a confined space.

If businesses felt so strongly against smokers and their stench they would have independently initiated separate smoking sections and also completely banned smoking. A public business could have easily banned smoking without any government law. So the bars/restaurants knew it would hurt their overall business. And you claim that business is up is without any merit.

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