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Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Meh ()
Date: November 19, 2008 06:50PM

Apparently some westfields grads were just busted selling heroin in our area

http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=1521910&nid=25

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Fairfax22032 ()
Date: November 19, 2008 06:55PM

I don't know about everyone else, but I find this somewhat shocking. I know that there are drugs in FXCO, but this sounds like something that you would see profiled on The Wire. The other thing that bothers me about this is that I know at least one of the kids from Fairfax.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Talking Smack ()
Date: November 19, 2008 06:57PM

One of those names graduated from Oakton,not Westfields.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: November 19, 2008 07:08PM

It's interesting pulling one up on facebook and seeing a bunch of the other names in the friends area. I wonder if that's how the police built their suspect list?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dwight ()
Date: November 19, 2008 07:24PM

Part of the ring that helped kill Ms. Lannes last year

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Rowsdower ()
Date: November 19, 2008 09:38PM

Obviously this is a frame up.

"QUICK","JOSHUA","R","018","6304","HIDDEN CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE ","VA","08/09/2007","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC"
"QUICK","JOSHUA","R","018","6304","HIDDEN CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE ","VA","11/29/2007","POSS CONTROLLED DRUG FEL "
"QUICK","JOSHUA","R","019","6304","HIDDEN CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/30/2008","P/ID HEROIN "
"QUICK","JOSHUA","R","019","6304","HIDDEN CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE ","VA","03/07/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC"
"QUICK","JOSHUA","R","019","6304","HIDDEN CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE ","VA","03/07/2008","POSS SCHED III DRUG "
"QUICK","JOSHUA","R","019","6304","HIDDEN CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE ","VA","03/07/2008","POSS SCHED IV DRUG

"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","018","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","12/12/2006","RECKLE/SPEED OVER 80 MPH"
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","019","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","03/28/2007","BURGLARY,NO OTHER DESCRIP "
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","019","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","03/28/2007","GR LARC-THEFT"
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","019","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","11/28/2007","DISREGARD TRAFFIC LIGHTS"
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","019","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","11/29/2007","POSS CONTROLLED DRUG FEL"
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","POSS MARIJUANA"
"SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","12/28/2007","EQUIPMENTEXHAUST SYS

"RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","018"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","08/09/2007","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
"RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","018"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","08/09/2007","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
"RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","018"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","08/09/2007","POSS MARIJUANA"
"RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","018"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","12/14/2007","FAIL OBEY STOP/YLD-SGN"
"RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","019"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/04/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
"RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","019"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","02/02/2008","FAIL ANSWER SUMMONS"
"RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","019"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","05/04/2008","50-54MPH/35MPH ZONE"
"RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","019"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","07/11/2008","FAIL OBEY STOP/YLD-SGN

"NASH ","DANIEL","R","018","5857","LINDEN CREEK ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","03/22/2007","DUMP TRASH ON HWY/RIGHT OF W

"GIBSON","TAYLER","L","018"," 15428","MARTINS HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","07/05/2006","ALCH POSS BY IND < 21 "
"GIBSON","TAYLER","L","018"," 15428","MARTINS HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","07/05/2006","POSS MARIJUANA"
"GIBSON","TAYLER","L","019"," 15428","MARTINS HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","07/02/2007","55-59MPH/35MPH ZONE"
"GIBSON","TAYLER","L","019"," 15428","MARTINS HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","08/09/2007","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
"GIBSON","TAYLER","L","019"," 15428","MARTINS HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","12/04/2007","PT LARC-OTHER"
"GIBSON","TAYLER","L","020"," 15428","MARTINS HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","12/04/2007","PT LARC-OTHER

"RICHTER","ANNA ","L","019","6204","POINT","CI","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/03/2007","65-69MPH/35MPH ZONE"
"RICHTER","ANNA ","L","019","6204","POINT","CI","CENTREVILLE ","VA","07/29/2007","DISPLAYING LIC PLATES "
"RICHTER","ANNA ","L","019","6204","POINT","CI","CENTREVILLE ","VA","07/29/2007","FAIL PAY FULL TIME & ATTENTION

"SCHNIPPEL","SKYLAR","M","019"," 15304","SURREY HOUSE ","WY","CENTREVILLE ","VA","10/11/2007","45-49MPH/25MPH IN SCHOOL ZONE"
"SCHNIPPEL","SKYLAR","M","020"," 15304","SURREY HOUSE ","WY","CENTREVILLE ","VA","02/11/2008","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN "
"SCHNIPPEL","SKYLAR","M","020"," 15304","SURREY HOUSE ","WY","CENTREVILLE ","VA","06/17/2008","FAIL PAY FULL TIME & ATTENTION

"REMINGTON","JESSICA ","R","019","9308","ASHMEADE","DR","FAIRFAX ","VA","03/13/2008","FAIL WEAR SAFETY BELT "
"REMINGTON","JESSICA ","R","019","9308","ASHMEADE","DR","FAIRFAX ","VA","05/09/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
"REMINGTON","JESSICA ","R","019","9308","ASHMEADE","DR","FAIRFAX ","VA","05/22/2008","BAILEE: VIOLATE COND OF RELEASE

"SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","018","5219","GRINNELL","ST","FAIRFAX ","VA","10/21/2007","55-59MPH/35MPH ZONE"
"SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","019","5219","GRINNELL","ST","FAIRFAX ","VA","03/13/2008","60-64MPH/40MPH ZONE"
"SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","019","5219","GRINNELL","ST","FAIRFAX ","VA","03/13/2008","FAIL TO REPORT OL CHG/ADDRESS-DMV"
"SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","019","5219","GRINNELL","ST","FAIRFAX ","VA","03/13/2008","FAIL WEAR SAFETY BELT "
"SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","019","5219","GRINNELL","ST","FAIRFAX ","VA","05/12/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC

Maybe they will rot this time.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: November 19, 2008 10:18PM

Anyone remember the drug bust at Westfield last year? THey got heroin. What is the suprise?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 19, 2008 10:43PM

This doesn't look like the French Connection or the Chinese Triad. Newspapers and haedlines always hype things so. A "Heroin RING"!

By the looks of these clowns ages and the mention of their sources in DC and B-More the truth is probably so less interesting.. It's some sick white kids from the burbs who are probably each strung to the gills. They go cop dope in the hood, maybe buying a few hundred bucks more at a time which they've been distributing to other bozos in Centreville. Somebody snitched on them, they will surely snitch on somebody in turn. They'll all get light jail terms if not rehab in some cases. Many of the "Centreville 8" will violate terms of release with dirty urine etc....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Rowsdower ()
Date: November 19, 2008 10:45PM

Unfortunately they have killed at least two people.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: shut the fuck up ()
Date: November 19, 2008 10:55PM

excuse me, but i hope the person who said "hopefully they will rot this time" actually knows the people they are talking about. ashleigh has been my best friend long before she got into all of this, she went to rehab over the summer and brought herself back to the person she once was, so to say that 'hopefully she will rot this time' is the most cynical comment i've ever read. you don't even know who you're talking about. and to say that she contributed to people's deaths is refusing to acknowledge the fact that THOSE people made a decision THEMSELVES. if they didn't buy it from her, it would have been from someone else. so shut the fuck up and realize that everyone goes through a dark period of time stemming from horrible experiences they didn't ask for, and while she shouldn't have dealt with those issues the way she did, the fact that she was the only one of these people to take action upon her problems and got help can't go unrecognized. so please, before you write comments wishing death upon people whom you've never met, and who's experiences and circumstances you can't even begin to understand, think about it. blaming other people isn't going to fix the problem. getting help like she did will, an aspect that i hope people can see. the past 5 months all she has done is strive to bring herself back to the amazing girl i knew before she got involved in this, something she finally achieved. so no, she does not deserve to rot, she deserves nothing at all except a second chance to prove that she's okay.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 19, 2008 10:57PM

Rowsdower Wrote:
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> Unfortunately they have killed at least two
> people.

Didn't see that on the WTOP link, that would surely change things IF it was intentional homicide, though more likely OD's by their buyers..

I'm not downplaying the serious dereliction by this crew, but I doubt they generated much of any profit that didn't go in to their arms or noses. In a perfect world, law enforcement could skip the rehab for this bunch and give some beatings. I can tolerate people who like to smoke and drink a little but there is no f---g excuse to be doing/selling heroin in 2008...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: November 19, 2008 11:08PM

To shut the fuck up. Please, shut the fuck up. Your friend is a junkie and a drug dealer. The only thing amazing about her is her ability to escape the slammer thus far.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 19, 2008 11:09PM

shut the fuck up Wrote:
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> excuse me, but i hope the person who said
> "hopefully they will rot this time" actually knows
> the people they are talking about. ashleigh has
> been my best friend long before she got into all
> of this, she went to rehab over the summer and
> brought herself back to the person she once was,
> so to say that 'hopefully she will rot this time'
> is the most cynical comment i've ever read. you
> don't even know who you're talking about. and to
> say that she contributed to people's deaths is
> refusing to acknowledge the fact that THOSE people
> made a decision THEMSELVES. if they didn't buy it
> from her, it would have been from someone else. so
> shut the fuck up and realize that everyone goes
> through a dark period of time stemming from
> horrible experiences they didn't ask for, and
> while she shouldn't have dealt with those issues
> the way she did, the fact that she was the only
> one of these people to take action upon her
> problems and got help can't go unrecognized. so
> please, before you write comments wishing death
> upon people whom you've never met, and who's
> experiences and circumstances you can't even begin
> to understand, think about it. blaming other
> people isn't going to fix the problem. getting
> help like she did will, an aspect that i hope
> people can see. the past 5 months all she has done
> is strive to bring herself back to the amazing
> girl i knew before she got involved in this,
> something she finally achieved. so no, she does
> not deserve to rot, she deserves nothing at all
> except a second chance to prove that she's okay.

Hey I am sorry about your friend but you are taking a cynical/shit attitude with your "they would have just got it somewhere else line". WRONG. Sometimes if you don't sell to a dope fiend they have that "life changing experience" they may need. They may go through withdrawls, go downtown to cop and get arrested or robbed etc. If your friend sold dope, she is guilty, even if she was sick herself at the time..

If your friend is clean at this time, maybe she is getting an indictment from soemthing in the recent past and she'll probably have to snitch her way out of it which most drug defendants do.

Sick/addicted people don't "make decisions themselves" ( not good ones at least)and your friend may well share shame and blame as painful as that might be. F the guilt trips, but you've got to be remorseful and realistic to move forward in the world after mistakes. Don't rub your friends nose in her shit, but don't be a dishrag asshole that thinks heroin dealing is some victimless crime and defends her every mistake..

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: LegalizeIt ()
Date: November 19, 2008 11:31PM

You fuckers don't even know what it's like to live in Centreville. A small minority of Westfield graduates have made a name for themselves doing despicable things, and because of that now all present/former Westfield students face an unfair, unwarranted bias. None of you people know anything of what has occurred with these people, and having known these people it's sickening to hear you speak of these people this way. In America, we have a system where you are innocent until proven guilty, although I feel most of you spoiled brat assholes would be better suited to grow up in a place like China, as you seem to have no respect for the American legal system. I hope that everyone involved in this case is able to eventually rehabilitate themselves and live a life that is of a functioning member of society, and maybe eventually achieve the American dream. All of you assholes who crucify anyone ever accused of a crime (I've seen this behavior go on for a while here) need to fucking grow up and realize what America is about and stop playing God and judging everyone, or get the fuck out.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 19, 2008 11:57PM

"What its LIKE to live in Centreville"?? I can't imagine its too fucking exciting or tough for that matter. What is your point??

The legal system owes the accused a presumption of innocence, the public opinion is free to think and say what it wants. The feds have a very high conviction rate, want to bet ALL of your friends cop pleas/snitch?

If you are 18 years old and have only had sack hair for a year or so, I'm sure this is the most exciting thing ever to hit your Centreville. I believe in redemption and that this case is sadder than anything else.

LegalizeIt Wrote:
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> You fuckers don't even know what it's like to live
> in Centreville. A small minority of Westfield
> graduates have made a name for themselves doing
> despicable things, and because of that now all
> present/former Westfield students face an unfair,
> unwarranted bias. None of you people know
> anything of what has occurred with these people,
> and having known these people it's sickening to
> hear you speak of these people this way. In
> America, we have a system where you are innocent
> until proven guilty, although I feel most of you
> spoiled brat assholes would be better suited to
> grow up in a place like China, as you seem to have
> no respect for the American legal system. I hope
> that everyone involved in this case is able to
> eventually rehabilitate themselves and live a life
> that is of a functioning member of society, and
> maybe eventually achieve the American dream. All
> of you assholes who crucify anyone ever accused of
> a crime (I've seen this behavior go on for a while
> here) need to fucking grow up and realize what
> America is about and stop playing God and judging
> everyone, or get the fuck out.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bex ()
Date: November 20, 2008 12:41AM

so far ive heard that Lokesh has 40 years and is leaving in a week

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: paddy ()
Date: November 20, 2008 12:45AM

you've heard? so you dont know do you?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jak blak ()
Date: November 20, 2008 12:49AM

a HEROIN ring in FFCO? Definitely let them rot. They sold to children and inadvertantly killed in the process. That's a serious crime in ALL countries. She'll be lucky if she has less than ten years in the clink to sober up.

Seriously, I do hiring all the time, and when I see WESTFIELDS on somebody's application, it goes right in the dumpster. I don't have time to be drug testing and hearing excuses from these big babies.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bex ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:02AM

paddy Wrote:
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> you've heard? so you dont know do you?


That's what a good friend of his told me. I'm trusting what he said is true.




jak blak Wrote:
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...
> Seriously, I do hiring all the time, and when I
> see WESTFIELDS on somebody's application, it goes
> right in the dumpster. I don't have time to be
> drug testing and hearing excuses from these big
> babies.


unfortunately thats now how all of us westfield grads are.
it's become a stereotype made by the few who end up getting press and most press these days is bad press. :\

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Wondering ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:15AM

how long does a person usually get locked up for something like this? some of the people involved actually had a prior for intent to distribute im wondering what happens now...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bw ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:15AM

No matter what the media may do to blow up the situation and make it seem alot worse then it really is, the fact is that some of these people were good people who i grew up with who just happened to go down the wrong path. everyone has weaknesses and everyone makes bad choices. so dont talk shit n curse people you dont know. none of you even know the real deal.lodash n skylar, ima miss u fuckers. godspeed homies.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bex ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:19AM

bw Wrote:
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> No matter what the media may do to blow up the
> situation and make it seem alot worse then it
> really is, the fact is that some of these people
> were good people who i grew up with who just
> happened to go down the wrong path. everyone has
> weaknesses and everyone makes bad choices. so
> dont talk shit n curse people you dont know. none
> of you even know the real deal.lodash n skylar,
> ima miss u fuckers. godspeed homies.

thank you for saying that.


Wondering Wrote:
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> how long does a person usually get locked up for
> something like this? some of the people involved
> actually had a prior for intent to distribute im
> wondering what happens now...


conspiracy to distribute 100 grams or more of heroin (pretty much the intent to distribute a large quantity)= 5-40yrs
to distribute= 20yrs to life

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bex ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:24AM

jak blak Wrote:
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...
> Seriously, I do hiring all the time, and when I
> see WESTFIELDS on somebody's application, it goes
> right in the dumpster. I don't have time to be
> drug testing and hearing excuses from these big
> babies.


unfortunately thats now how all of us westfield grads are.
it's become a stereotype made by the few who end up getting press and most press these days is bad press. :\
-------
i meant "not how..."

its late and im studying for an exam tomorrow
sorry for spelling/grammar mistakes

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bex ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:26AM

anyone know who the unnamed person is?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bw ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:35AM

also...skylar schnippel is not a killer and never was. i hope all you gullible people out there who believe in everything the media says knows that. heroin is the killer here. it has taken too many of my friends that i grew up with. friends that were sucked in and ruined by it. none of you know of the hard battle these guys fought and unfortunately lost to. they sincerely wanted to stop n change but just couldnt because of this drug thats been such a problem and a fuckin pain in the ass to centreville for the past year and a half or so. fuck heroin, fuck public embarrasment, and fuck the police. im out. pc

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Justitia ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:48AM

"the fact is that some of these people were good people who i grew up with who just happened to go down the wrong path."

Well, that "fact" will not help those people from being tried and receiving convictions, or bargaining their way out of it. Even "good people" sometimes have to pay the piper for "happen[ing] to go down the wrong path". That you grew up with them is not probative of guilt or innocence, but maybe you can serve as a character witness to try to reduce their sentences.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: November 20, 2008 02:18AM

sounds like that skylar guy is a real killer, I hope he gets 40 years to calm down.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: November 20, 2008 02:19AM

why can't people just smoke weed and drink some beers? fuckin' a.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bw ()
Date: November 20, 2008 03:01AM

k well i hope somebody wishes the worst possible outcome upon you too the next time u fuck up with something...even though i dont know you or anything about you or your history. i have no idea what type of person you really are but im gonna use this media source called the internet to judge you and assume you are an ignorant and gullible asshole because thats what this webpage makes you come off as. im gonna use this media source to judge you and make assumptions about you and then wish bad luck upon you for it...get my drift?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: A friend ()
Date: November 20, 2008 05:53AM

I've known Skylar and JR almost my entire life. Tayler, Lokesh, David, and Anna I know as well. They are all my good friends, even with their flaws. I was also friends with Skylar's girlfriend Alicia, one of the three people that was allegedly "murdered" by my friends. To charge any of them with murder through that kind of association is ludicrous. The people that died were addicts. They each made the choice to shoot up that one last time. They each made the choice to shoot up that first time too. Don't blame these deaths on anyone but the deceased. They all died too young and too tragically, but their tragedys will serve as guidelines for future generations. They can only blame themselves. They can't blame each other for their addictions and what has happened because it was their own choice to do dope.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Rowsdower ()
Date: November 20, 2008 06:59AM

A friend Wrote:
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> I've known Skylar and JR almost my entire life.
> Tayler, Lokesh, David, and Anna I know as well.
> They are all my good friends, even with their
> flaws. I was also friends with Skylar's girlfriend
> Alicia, one of the three people that was allegedly
> "murdered" by my friends. To charge any of them
> with murder through that kind of association is
> ludicrous. The people that died were addicts. They
> each made the choice to shoot up that one last
> time. They each made the choice to shoot up that
> first time too. Don't blame these deaths on anyone
> but the deceased. They all died too young and too
> tragically, but their tragedys will serve as
> guidelines for future generations. They can only
> blame themselves. They can't blame each other for
> their addictions and what has happened because it
> was their own choice to do dope.

Sure as shit, they killed them.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: cozy ()
Date: November 20, 2008 07:16AM

Rowsdower Wrote:
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> Unfortunately they have killed at least two
> people.


If the two people who died weren't heroin addicts, maybe they would be alive. They weren't murdered, they chose to do the drug.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: November 20, 2008 07:42AM

LegalizeIt Wrote:
>> You fuckers don't even know what it's like to live in Centreville

LOL

Now that's some funny shit!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: November 20, 2008 07:55AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> LegalizeIt Wrote:
> >> You fuckers don't even know what it's like to
> live in Centreville
>
> LOL
>
> Now that's some funny shit!

Does that mean I now have street cred because I live in the "ville"?

Mutha-Fuc*in' West Side Bitches!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: November 20, 2008 08:04AM

trogdor! Wrote:
>>> Does that mean I now have street cred because I live in the "ville"?


You are a stonecold muthafuckin' playa

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dono ()
Date: November 20, 2008 08:16AM

These heron rings are really violent and need to be stopped.

http://www.funnychill.com/files/extreme-pictures/heron-eats-rabbit-01.jpg

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MTV ()
Date: November 20, 2008 08:19AM

Its pretty clear by the posts still going up, that the Feds didn't get everybody. Stay tuned for ring bust 2, to hit Centreville in 2009

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: anonyyyymus ()
Date: November 20, 2008 08:21AM

I'm so glad that this happened.
I knwo some of the twats all hopped up on heroin.
And several peopel I knwo have died recently

Thank God Thank God

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: anonymusss again ()
Date: November 20, 2008 08:25AM

MTV Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Its pretty clear by the posts still going up, that
> the Feds didn't get everybody. Stay tuned for
> ring bust 2, to hit Centreville in 2009


LOLOLOLOLOL

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: L.Day Westfield Grad 07' ()
Date: November 20, 2008 08:50AM

I know all of these people, i went to school with them. Skylar is not part of "The Ring". He is my bestfriend and no matter what will always be my friend. He never distributed any of the heroin! On the other hand i saw Danny Nash like 4 days ago and he was MESSED up so yea he did deserve this! People make mistakes and all of this crap is going to get way out of hand if people dont shut their BIG mouths! I also don think all of their past charges should be posted all over the internet, its messed up! Some of these people are my friends who made the wrong choices so all of you need to mind your own business and find something better to do then talk about them!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: L.Day Westfield Grad 07' ()
Date: November 20, 2008 08:53AM

RESton Peace....you can kiss my ass because SKylar is not a fucking killer. He is my my bestfriend and wasn't the one that shot alicia up, she did that all on her own! So go get a life and stop saying shit you know nothing about.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: realtbytes ()
Date: November 20, 2008 08:58AM

Wake up kiddies. Doesn't matter if you are from affluent Fairfax County or downtown Baltimore. Ultimately, when you choose to get addicted, you are choosing to die, get locked up or spend the rest of your life fighting the demons. Everyone on this indictment chose to put themselves in this situation and now they have to face the consequences. I am certain this isn't the end. The damage has been done. Lives have been lost, families have been broken. Thanks to the Feds for beginning the cleanup of Centreville.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Concerned ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:26AM

I feel bad for all people involved! We all know what the drug does to us and yet some people still choose to use it. Why would anyone try anything they know is going to make them steal from their parents or die to get high? Why start a habit you know will finish you? Reading some of your comments is sad. Misery loves company and that is why these kids sold it to their friends, they wanted everyone around them to be like them so they could feel better about themselves. In reality they didn't know what they were doing, they didn't care either, they just wanted to get high! I don't think they are killers, they are addicts with no moral standing! I see people on here talking about being their friends, well if you are such a good friend then why did you let it get to this point? Your pointing the finger saying everyone doesn't know them and you are correct. I am sure these kids were once very nice and great freinds but learn about the drug and the habit before you express a bias opinion in anyone. You know the other side to these kids so cherish that but understand that all others see is a junkie looking for the next fix. You may have known these people growing up but believe me they stopped being that person the first time they shut up. I do wish them all the best because everyone deserves a second chance unfortunatly these people have to learn the hard way. I hope the best outcome is that more people learn from it before it gets any worse.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:47AM

"You fuckers don't even know what it's like to live in Centreville"

I've said it before. C-ville should cordoned off and used as a naval bombing range.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: When will it end ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:50AM

Here is the letter I just recieved via email from the principal...

Dear Parents,
You may have already seen or heard coverage on TV or other media sources that a
number of adults were arrested yesterday in our community for heroin
distribution. A number of those charged are Westfield graduates or were once
enrolled at Westfield but for one reason or another did not graduate from
Westfield. I can tell you that the safety and security of your students remains
a priority at Westfield High School and while the fact remains that we will
likely be the target of negative media attention for now, it is comforting to
know that those allegedly responsible for having a negative influence on our
students are in custody. I would encourage you and/or your students to direct
media inquiries to the FCPS Office of Community Relations. Thank you for your
support of Westfield High School.

Sincerely,
Tim Thomas

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:50AM

C-ville high school is in clifton, technically, so make sure you extedn the cordon around that area.. but leave my neighborhood out of it.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: get a clue ()
Date: November 20, 2008 10:23AM

C'Ville...really...seriously!!!
I grew up in Queens New York and it only made me stronger. Believe me...you have no idea what it is like growing up there. You are very lucky to grow up in Centreville, VA....FAIRFAX COUNTY! And with that said I lived in Centreville for a long time as a young person and turned out just fine. It's not where you live that makes you who you are, it's who are that you turn out to be! Don't blame the area because believe me it is paradise compared to where others have to grow up! Go live in South Philly for 2 days and come back and let me know how that was!!!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: raydongchong ()
Date: November 20, 2008 10:34AM

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Anyone remember the drug bust at Westfield last
> year? THey got heroin. What is the suprise?


who gives a fuck?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: raydongchong ()
Date: November 20, 2008 10:36AM

who gives a fuck?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: guess who bish ()
Date: November 20, 2008 10:56AM

FUCKING SKYLER SCHNIPPEL
IF HEROIN DOSNT KILL YOU BEFORE YOU GO TO JAIL FOR IT
THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE A NASTY, DIRTY JUNKIE FOR LIFEEEEE

GO YOU!!!!


I HOPE YOU DIE

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: JayBee ()
Date: November 20, 2008 11:45AM

Like a virus, this drug ravages the body and the mind. It takes over the host and uses it to find a way to make more virus, eventually spreading and infecting those around it with systems that are not as optimal and can't fight off an infection. The weak become teh forst victims and it spreads from there.

The virus must be contained before it can spread further, but most of the time the damage is already done. Containment is never easy, it takes time and lots of resources that are vigilant.

These kids got infected, they were spreading the virus before they could spread it further, in that time it kiiled some of them. It was only a matter of time before someone stepped in an decided to excercise some containment.

These kids backgrounds show a history of bad decision-making. Multiple offenses over a short amount of time and at such young ages. They show risky behavior, bahaviors that, if spotted and dealt with correctly initially, could have saved these kids.

I feel for the parents, but these kids didn't stand much of a chance. They chose risky bahavior, again and again. Were let off easy and continued on that track. No empathy.

My background is that I got one speeding ticket and that was enough. Haven't had a brush with the law since and that was 23 years ago. I never got involved with drugs because I knew my Dad would kick my ass if I did. I wonder how many of these kids are from broken homes or had a strong parent in their lives?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: PsBr ()
Date: November 20, 2008 11:54AM

Rowsdower Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Obviously this is a frame up.
>
> "QUICK","JOSHUA","R","018","6304","HIDDEN
> CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","08/09/2007","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC"
> "QUICK","JOSHUA","R","018","6304","HIDDEN
> CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","11/29/2007","POSS CONTROLLED DRUG FEL "
> "QUICK","JOSHUA","R","019","6304","HIDDEN
> CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","01/30/2008","P/ID HEROIN "
> "QUICK","JOSHUA","R","019","6304","HIDDEN
> CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","03/07/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC"
> "QUICK","JOSHUA","R","019","6304","HIDDEN
> CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","03/07/2008","POSS SCHED III DRUG "
> "QUICK","JOSHUA","R","019","6304","HIDDEN
> CANYON","RD","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","03/07/2008","POSS SCHED IV DRUG
>
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","018","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","12/12/2006","RECKLE/SPEED OVER 80 MPH"
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","019","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","03/28/2007","BURGLARY,NO OTHER DESCRIP "
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","019","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","03/28/2007","GR
> LARC-THEFT"
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","019","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","11/28/2007","DISREGARD TRAFFIC LIGHTS"
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","019","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","11/29/2007","POSS
> CONTROLLED DRUG FEL"
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","P/ID
> OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","P/ID
> OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","P/ID
> OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","P/ID
> OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/11/2008","POSS
> MARIJUANA"
> "SCHREIDER","DAVID","E","020","5628","ROCKY
> RUN","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","12/28/2007","EQUIPMENTEXHAUST SYS
>
> "RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","018"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH
> ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","08/09/2007","P/ID
> OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
> "RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","018"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH
> ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","08/09/2007","P/ID
> OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
> "RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","018"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH
> ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","08/09/2007","POSS
> MARIJUANA"
> "RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","018"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH
> ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","12/14/2007","FAIL OBEY
> STOP/YLD-SGN"
> "RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","019"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH
> ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","01/04/2008","P/ID
> OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
> "RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","019"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH
> ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","02/02/2008","FAIL
> ANSWER SUMMONS"
> "RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","019"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH
> ","CT","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","05/04/2008","50-54MPH/35MPH ZONE"
> "RAWAT","LOKESH"," ","019"," 14530","CREEK BRANCH
> ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","07/11/2008","FAIL OBEY
> STOP/YLD-SGN
>
> "NASH ","DANIEL","R","018","5857","LINDEN CREEK
> ","CT","CENTREVILLE ","VA","03/22/2007","DUMP
> TRASH ON HWY/RIGHT OF W
>
> "GIBSON","TAYLER","L","018"," 15428","MARTINS
> HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","07/05/2006","ALCH POSS BY IND < 21 "
> "GIBSON","TAYLER","L","018"," 15428","MARTINS
> HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","07/05/2006","POSS MARIJUANA"
> "GIBSON","TAYLER","L","019"," 15428","MARTINS
> HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","07/02/2007","55-59MPH/35MPH ZONE"
> "GIBSON","TAYLER","L","019"," 15428","MARTINS
> HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","08/09/2007","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
> "GIBSON","TAYLER","L","019"," 15428","MARTINS
> HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","12/04/2007","PT LARC-OTHER"
> "GIBSON","TAYLER","L","020"," 15428","MARTINS
> HUNDRED ","DR","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","12/04/2007","PT LARC-OTHER
>
> "RICHTER","ANNA
> ","L","019","6204","POINT","CI","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","01/03/2007","65-69MPH/35MPH ZONE"
> "RICHTER","ANNA
> ","L","019","6204","POINT","CI","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","07/29/2007","DISPLAYING LIC PLATES "
> "RICHTER","ANNA
> ","L","019","6204","POINT","CI","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","07/29/2007","FAIL PAY FULL TIME &
> ATTENTION
>
> "SCHNIPPEL","SKYLAR","M","019"," 15304","SURREY
> HOUSE ","WY","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","10/11/2007","45-49MPH/25MPH IN SCHOOL
> ZONE"
> "SCHNIPPEL","SKYLAR","M","020"," 15304","SURREY
> HOUSE ","WY","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","02/11/2008","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN "
> "SCHNIPPEL","SKYLAR","M","020"," 15304","SURREY
> HOUSE ","WY","CENTREVILLE
> ","VA","06/17/2008","FAIL PAY FULL TIME &
> ATTENTION
>
> "REMINGTON","JESSICA
> ","R","019","9308","ASHMEADE","DR","FAIRFAX
> ","VA","03/13/2008","FAIL WEAR SAFETY BELT "
> "REMINGTON","JESSICA
> ","R","019","9308","ASHMEADE","DR","FAIRFAX
> ","VA","05/09/2008","P/ID OTHER HALLUCINOGENIC "
> "REMINGTON","JESSICA
> ","R","019","9308","ASHMEADE","DR","FAIRFAX
> ","VA","05/22/2008","BAILEE: VIOLATE COND OF
> RELEASE
>
> "SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","018","5219","GRINNELL","ST
> ","FAIRFAX ","VA","10/21/2007","55-59MPH/35MPH
> ZONE"
> "SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","019","5219","GRINNELL","ST
> ","FAIRFAX ","VA","03/13/2008","60-64MPH/40MPH
> ZONE"
> "SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","019","5219","GRINNELL","ST
> ","FAIRFAX ","VA","03/13/2008","FAIL TO REPORT OL
> CHG/ADDRESS-DMV"
> "SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","019","5219","GRINNELL","ST
> ","FAIRFAX ","VA","03/13/2008","FAIL WEAR SAFETY
> BELT "
> "SHADE","ASHLEIGH","L","019","5219","GRINNELL","ST
> ","FAIRFAX ","VA","05/12/2008","P/ID OTHER
> HALLUCINOGENIC
>
> Maybe they will rot this time.


Did this person even read what they posted? There are a bunch for traffic violations. How do half of those charges have to do with this?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MILF ()
Date: November 20, 2008 12:38PM

Wow- this is really disturbing. I'm a Chantilly (90's) grad and went to CHS when Justin Wolfe and his crew were there. Looking back on HS days, I must have been very sheltered because the word heroin never came up. Marijuana was the extent of the illegal drugs that you would hear about with the exception of ecstacy when it became big with the teen crowd. As a mother of 2 now, this disheartens me to know that a hardcore drug such as heroin is floating around our suburbs. It makes me want to pack up my family and move to Montana to get them away from this sh*t. I know its easy for me to say, but I just dont want my kids around this crap once they get to highschool. This isn't Compton people- it's the richest county in the nation (I think??). But seriously- come on!!! Parents need to be complete idiots to not know that their kid is strung out on something like this!!! It all starts with the parents. It's such BS that "Westfield Kids are rich, they have money, etc etc). OK! Well if they are so rich, their rich ass parents can send them away!! The problem is, they didnt- and look where it got them. Wow.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Royale W/Cheese ()
Date: November 20, 2008 12:52PM

I love the way some are blaming "da media" for blowing this way out of proportion. The press didn't make this up. They got it straight from the police, the FBI, and court records. Let's face it -- we're talking about heroin. It's a little different than kids getting busted for smoking dubies in the mall parking lot.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: need a clarification ()
Date: November 20, 2008 12:53PM

MILF - I concur with your views, but it would be helpful to let others know who Justin Wolfe is. He is a Chantilly resident currently on Death Row in Virginia for arranging the murder of a dealer to whom he owed $70,000. I feel for his mother, who is desperately trying to save his life, and recognize that even good parents have kids with problems, but I suspect in a candid moment she would absolutely agree with you and wish she had stepped up in a forceful way.

By the way, for any number of reasons, I am not a big fan of the death penalty by any means, but am a big fan of accountability. At some level these kids from Centreville/Westfield need to be held accountable in the criminal justice system if the evidence reflects that they engaged in more than mere drug use and sold or dealt the stuff.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: OuTnUmBeReD ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:05PM

I seriously doubt its just Westfield HS or Centreville, but I can tell you from personal experience there are MANY parents in the Westfield HS community who knowingly support and accomodate underage drinking and unsupervised parties where anything goes. Many if not most of these kids are "raised" by their community (are you listening Hillary Clinton?) to have no regard at all for the law, or the morals that their own parents might try to teach or require. If you have a child in this community the only way to make sure that they aren't doing things that you don't want them doing is to lock them in your house, or follow them everywhere. You can't count on your neighbors to support your rules or even the law. And be sure about one other thing, you can't pick these adults out of a line up. They don't look like trailer trash, they aren't stumbling drunks. They look and act like model citizens and live in big houses with big yards. They just don't care to help you raise your kids and they don't seem to be interested in raising their own.

For the person who laid this on the parents, you're right and your wrong. Its not really an option to lock your kid in the house, or follow them everywhere. You have to be able to count on the community to have either a well founded sense of right and wrong, or at least the respect for your authority over your kids so they don't undermine it when they are expected to be supervising.

My advise to parents with grade school kids, get past any friendship issues you have and make sure the parents at the homes your child goes to know that you will hold them accountable for underage drinking, smoking and anything else you wouldn't allow. Good luck with that - your kids will hate you.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MILF ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:12PM

need a clarification Wrote:
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I suspect in a candid moment she
> would absolutely agree with you and wish she had
> stepped up in a forceful way.
>
>
I agree with you- I think she would have, although Justin lived with his father, which to my understanding was a pot smoking Dad himself. I think a lot of the things Justin did were blind to his mother, as she didnt see him on a daily basis- which is really sad. Although if my kid came home one day with a brand new Acura that they paid cash for- I would certainly question and investigate how they went about getting it.

I am against the death penalty as well, in certain circumstances. Do I think some people should be put to death for crimes committed against children? Absolutely. But I dont think someone like Justin should be sentenced to die based on a phone record. As sad as this is to say, I stopped following his case because I feel death is inevitable for him. Although I do think there was much more to that story, that the courts don't want to reinvestigate.

The Centreville crowd needs to be put away. I agree with an earlier poster's comment that the drug crowd wanted other kids to be in their same situation, so they sold drugs to innocent kids and got them hooked on something that unknowingly would get them into it so deep that they would die or overdose. Its a sick, sick thing- and I will stand by what I feel, that it starts at home. I'll be damned if one of my kids starts dabbling with something like this once they reach HS- again, I know it is easy for me to say (now), but I'm not stupid...I think I would see the warning signs- even something as small as a change of attitude would trigger me to think something was up (maybe I'm too cautious? Idk). The Centreville kid's problems are probably that their parents are too preoccupied with work/social lives/golf that they failed to recognize these signs. Just my speculation though.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MILF ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:18PM

OuTnUmBeReD Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> For the person who laid this on the parents,
> you're right and your wrong. Its not really an
> option to lock your kid in the house, or follow
> them everywhere.

Right- I agree, although it is an option for me to be a parent and put the smack down on my kid if they are doing something wrong- or worse, ILLEGAL.



You have to be able to count on
> the community to have either a well founded sense
> of right and wrong, or at least the respect for
> your authority over your kids so they don't
> undermine it when they are expected to be
> supervising.
>

I see what you are saying, but I would NEVER count on the community in Centreville, or anywhere in FFX County. The days of unlocked doors and playing out in the neighborhood at night are over. Parents in this area are so diverse- some put a ton of trust in their kids, and they still mess up- and others don't care a bit about what their kids do- and those kids still mess up. ALTHOUGH- I did know a lot in my time who came from families whose parents "just didn't care", and most went on to graduate schools and are starting families today. So it's a catch 22.


> My advise to parents with grade school kids, get
> past any friendship issues you have and make sure
> the parents at the homes your child goes to know
> that you will hold them accountable for underage
> drinking, smoking and anything else you wouldn't
> allow. Good luck with that - your kids will hate
> you.


I agree- I hated my overbearing parents in my teen years as well. Although now at 30, I look back at their rules, disciplinary methods- and cannot thank them enough. My kids will thank me one day- it just may not be for a very long time.


BTW- I'm not trying to disagree with you at all! You have very valid points!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:21PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> C-ville high school is in clifton, technically, so
> make sure you extedn the cordon around that area..
> but leave my neighborhood out of it.



NO prob. We can make Clifton the sniper range...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: OuTnUmBeReD ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:21PM

MILF Wrote:
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The Centreville kid's problems are probably that their parents are too preoccupied with work/social lives/golf that they failed to recognize these signs.

MILF - you're glossing over the problem. Granted there are probably some situations where a parent can't recognize the problem. The rest of the time and I think most of the time these parents don't care about their responsibility as parents and members of the community. They don't care to pay attention (I guess that is your point) or to do the right thing (my point). I know of many parents who just look the other way or completely embrace/accommodate inappropriate behaviour. Why? I have my guesses but "why not?" is a better question.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: paddy ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:31PM

yeah they 'sold' them drugs. they didnt 'force' them to buy it. these kids sought out heroin and if they couldnt get it in centreville, it wouldnt be that hard to score in DC or Baltimore. none of these people are murderers and its absolutely absurd to label them so. its so painful to hear you say that they sold drugs to innocent kids.. i mean come on.

and MILF you dont think that the parents knew about the heroin problem? too preoccupied with work/social lives/GOLF???? really? i personally know a handful of these kids and at least 3 of them have been to rehab and have not used in months not to mention at least half of the named never actually sold heroin. The feds did not 'break up' the ring, it disolved itself months ago. they just have enough evidence now, and now is when its all coming out. this is nothing new to anyone in centreville or to people that went to westfield.

i highly doubt the heroin problem will be taken care of in centreville just by these arrests. there is a demand now, and the kids coming up will know where to get it and find a way to get it. its only a matter of time.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: OuTnUmBeReD ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:34PM

MILF - I have the same feeling about my kids. Good luck. Since it sounds like you're looking at these challenges in the future I'd pass along this also. Don't be surprised if the parents that are cutting you off at the knees are people you know, have known a long time, and liked.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: OuTnUmBeReD ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:39PM

paddy - it would be harder, less likely, more noticable, and riskier if they had to go out of the area to get drugs. It would also free up the kids that are just going along with the scene, aren't looking but hey since its being handed to them "why not?" I agree with you that the buyers aren't innocent. After one or a few bad decisions though they lose much of their ability not to make the same bad decision again and again, as well as their ability to stop making that decision. The sellers on the other hand are preying on them.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Concerned ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:45PM

In my opinion...and only my opinion...I think sometimes it takes that one kid to make friends with one kid who is more fortunate and get him hooked so they have someone to support them. Kind of like an investment! Then all the other bored kids get curious and say hey we want to try it and being young they don't know enough to stop it so they say ok! Then it turns into...OMG...do you know how much money we could make selling this to all the kids at school??? NOW...there lies the biggest problem...money is greed and drugs are evil and together it ends up being a life sentance. Even if kids hooked on dope (H) are still alive they are dead! That is no way to live and that is why they keep going...they have nothing to live for other then a high!

I wish the best for all addicts out there and want them to know they can get better, don't believe the devil in your brain!!! It is just the drugs telling you can't but believe me you can! I KNOW ALL ABOUT IT!!! It's hard but it's worth it! One thing is...never regret the past because everything you have done will get you to a better place in life. One day your gonna say "I don't regret anything in my past because it got me to where I am and i am happy here"! And hopefully that place will be drug free. GOOD LUCK!!!

I promise....I say it at least 5 times a week! And not only me but many of my friends!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MILF ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:46PM

OuTnUmBeReD Wrote:
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> MILF - I have the same feeling about my kids.
> Good luck. Since it sounds like you're looking at
> these challenges in the future I'd pass along this
> also. Don't be surprised if the parents that are
> cutting you off at the knees are people you know,
> have known a long time, and liked.


Thank you!! That is good advice. I suspect this will happen to my husband and I, and I guess we will have to cross that bridge when we get there. It's so sad to me to have to think that in a few years, we will probably be struggling with this with parents of our children's friends. This is why I tell my husband all the time that Randolph Macon sounds better and better each year!

And to Paddy:
"i personally know a handful of these kids and at least 3 of them have been to rehab and have not used in months not to mention at least half of the named never actually sold heroin."

First- you are SO COOL that you actually know these kids!! Big pat on the back. Now the fact that you KNOW that "at least 3 of them have been to rehab and have not used in months"...is my point exactly. So they went to rehab. Great! They haven't used in months. Awesome! What about the other 5 of them? Where are/were their parents??? Regardless- they all are busted. Busted why? Because they have been being watched, and people died/overdosed as a result of their connection/association to the alleged dealers. Karma is a b*tch and I hope they get what they deserve.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: OuTnUmBeReD ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:47PM

btw historically Centreville is the intersection of Rts 28 and 29. Centreville HS is much closer to "Centreville" than Westfield, which is much closer to Chantilly, the intersection of Rts 28 and 50. So you should put the fence around Centreville HS also.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Concerned ()
Date: November 20, 2008 01:59PM

3 out of 10 is a start so let's keep the postivity on the negative situation. And just because the kids were arrested doesn't make them guilty. Sometimes the cops arrest the users too just to get them to testify. They look for the smallest thing to charge them with to get that one person above them. I think there is 1 or 2 that could be really guilty and that is why they are using the other kids against them. Which is fine because if those kids do want to stay clean they will testify, it is a start in the right direction.



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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: another overpaid FCPS employee ()
Date: November 20, 2008 02:48PM

When will it end Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Here is the letter I just recieved via email from
> the principal...
>
> Dear Parents,
> You may have already seen or heard coverage on TV
> or other media sources that a
> number of adults were arrested yesterday in our
> community for heroin
> distribution. A number of those charged are
> Westfield graduates or were once
> enrolled at Westfield but for one reason or
> another did not graduate from
> Westfield. I can tell you that the safety and
> security of your students remains
> a priority at Westfield High School and while the
> fact remains that we will
> likely be the target of negative media attention
> for now, it is comforting to
> know that those allegedly responsible for having a
> negative influence on our
> students are in custody. I would encourage you
> and/or your students to direct
> media inquiries to the FCPS Office of Community
> Relations. Thank you for your
> support of Westfield High School.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tim Thomas


Here is the letter this bozo should have written:

Dear Parents,

Clearly there is a drug problem at the high school that I oversee and because of my incompetence I am able to do nothing about it. Let's all, as a community, be grateful that I failed these kids miserable and they have dropped out of my school and are now a menance to the community.

Thanks for paying me $120k per year to do nothing!!

Signed,

Westfield HS Principal

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dude ()
Date: November 20, 2008 03:04PM

2 years sellin dope. 40 years to life getting fucked in the ass! id killmyself.


KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> Anyone remember the drug bust at Westfield last
> year? THey got heroin. What is the suprise?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Uncle The Don ()
Date: November 20, 2008 03:11PM

I think people around here don't know what's real. I read a post on here sayin, "I didn't know things like this existed here, it sounds like The Wire"... That's ignorance. The problem with most people on this side of Fairfax is that they base shit on what they see on TV and media. When they think drug bust, the first thought was "The Wire". Like only people in poor-urban environments only deal with drugs. LOL... People (especially the youngins) need to wake the fuck up and realize that shit is real outside of Fairfax County, Virginia. This area shelters people from the harsh realities of life and the closet thing they get to real shit is when they watch shows like The Wire, or listen to 50 Cent or Lil Wayne. I had to leave this area to realize how naive people are out here. If you stay in a bubble and don't get out of it, ur gonna be ignorant to what's going on in the rest of the world.



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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: i know this kid ()
Date: November 20, 2008 03:24PM

smoke weed... drink beer... if your gonna start selling heroin to get money and seem cool and people die... you deserve to be in federally pound me in the ass prison. this has been going on long since before these stupid kids went to dc and Baltimore.. its reality.. it happens.. drugs are everywhere.. happy to see some little punk kids get locked up for there stupid decisions.. so many people know about this.. and know these kids.. me included.. and they deserve what they get.

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re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Really? ()
Date: November 20, 2008 03:26PM

If Centreville is sheltered than we're in trouble. Remember when Michael Kennedy a WHS grad killed an officer and himself less than a mile from the high school in 2006. And no one can forget another WHS graduate Seugn-Hui Cho and the Virginia Tech shootings in 2007. Just to name a few. You're gonna tell me that's not real? Or since it's in a priviledged area does it not count?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: need a clarification ()
Date: November 20, 2008 03:26PM

MILF - you obviously know more about the Wolfe situation than most of us do - I have merely read the court opinions out of a sense of professional interest. And I feel for his mother, terrifically.

I also share your feeling about the inevitability of Mr. Wolfe's demise, especially knowing what I know about Virginia criminal procedure and the experience and skill of the prosecutor at hand.

But as tough as it is - there is value in having Wolfe's story told. And I wish these kids from Westfield earlier really knew it and let it sink in. His story reflects that none of us are that far away from real trouble if we decide to take a few steps off the rails - and young people, who tend to think they are invincible, really could hear his story.

It is often fashionable to trivialize drug use, including marijuana. But for a certain number of people, it just spells disaster in their life, and then when they move over to the business side of it, it can become a trainwreck, with death and destruction visiting. And it pains me to hear so many describe those who take principled stances toward drugs and alcohol, as "uptight", "right-wing" or "conservative" - terms which are completely inapposite to the notion of caring for people and productivity in their lives.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dontjailthesekids ()
Date: November 20, 2008 04:21PM

These were good kids, I knew a few of them personally. they need treatment and a ticket out of this fucked up county. Heroin use was growing when I went to school at woodson, and now it seems to have become a trendy thing to do. I hope everyone can recover from this disaster in peace.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 06WHSGrad ()
Date: November 20, 2008 04:28PM

I graduated Westfield in 06, and as such I was there with many of these kids. It saddens me to see how bad Westfield has gotten since I graduated. When I was there we were ranked as one of the top in the state, and nationally ranked in the top 50 (if I remember correctly). I know most of these kids, and I'm not just saying that to try and sound cool or anything like that. I used to be pretty good friends with some of them a few years back, then they started getting into drugs and I distanced myself from them. Even though I have a bit of a personal connection, I don't feel bad for them. They knew exactly what they were getting into and continued to do it, they brought it upon themselves. At least five of them live in my neighborhood, including one who lives on my street. They are generally fuck ups. This group is responsible for Alicia Lannes' death from heroin, she dated one of the boys arrested and used with him the night she died. I know of others that overdoesed with this group before, but luckily they didn't die.

Joshua, goes by JR, was the main guy in this operation. He and Skylar would go to DC, buy a bunch of heroin and bring it back and start distributing it. JR has already been to jail and just got out a few months ago. Skylar's house has been raided in the past and he ratted out others to keep himself out of trouble, that's why he doesn't have any heroin charges on his recrod, and his cooperation with the police is a big reason JR was locked up.

Skylar- definitely responsible for a lot of this. JR and Skylar deserve the credit for bringing heroin to Westfield. Those two started this whole thing and got everybody involved. The heroin that killed Alicia came from either JR or Skylar, can't remember who though. She used to date Skylar and I've been told that he was the one that found her dead. It's about time he actually goes down for his crimes, he's been caught before but always squeels on others to keep himself out of trouble. He even tried to rat out a friend of mine, who will remain unnamed, who wasn't involved but had used heroin before.

Lokesh- he and Skylar basically took over when JR was in jail. He is responsible for pushing a lot of the drugs in question.

Tayler- she's always been a trouble maker, just like her older brother. She's had her run ins with the law in the past, as you can see from her record. She also used to date JR, ironic huh?

Anna- used to be such a good girl, started hanging out with the wrong crowd in high school and ended up using. Been in and out of rehab, it's a shame, I thought she had finally cleaned herself up.

Danny- He's an idiot. Looking at what drugs have done to him is sad, he's gone way down hill. He would occasionally sell also. He was expelled from Westfield a couple years ago, and that just fueled his drug habit even more since he didn't have to attend school.

David- has already been to jail for heroin. He was a big part of this too. He is a thief and uses stolen property to pay for more drugs.

I hope they all go to jail and learn their lesson, they've been let off pretty easy in the past. Westfield needs to crack down on this type of behavior, I'm sick of dumbasses ruining the reputation of my school and ruining other's lives. I'd glad I got out when I did, the things I've heard from people in the know are disgusting, stuff that wasn't taking place when I was there. A few years ago Westfield's "drug of choice" was alcohol and marijuana, like most high schools in the country. There was always the even smaller minority that were into pills, but it was very small. Centreville, Oakton, Chantilly, and most others were much worse. Now Westfield has moved to more pills, coke, now heroin. It's sad how far downhill the student population has gone and how many kids are making terrible decisions and refuse to accept responsibility for their actions. Parents used to try and tweak the system to get their kids into Westfield, wouldn't surprise me if they're looking to get them out these days.

There will be more people arrested in the future, I'm sure of that. There are more people inovlved than those arrested and named in the article.

edit by Cary: email address removed at poster's request



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2008 08:26PM by Cary.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: sativa ()
Date: November 20, 2008 04:40PM

another overpaid FCPS employee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> When will it end Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here is the letter I just recieved via email
> from
> > the principal...
> >
> > Dear Parents,
> > You may have already seen or heard coverage on
> TV
> > or other media sources that a
> > number of adults were arrested yesterday in our
> > community for heroin
> > distribution. A number of those charged are
> > Westfield graduates or were once
> > enrolled at Westfield but for one reason or
> > another did not graduate from
> > Westfield. I can tell you that the safety and
> > security of your students remains
> > a priority at Westfield High School and while
> the
> > fact remains that we will
> > likely be the target of negative media
> attention
> > for now, it is comforting to
> > know that those allegedly responsible for having
> a
> > negative influence on our
> > students are in custody. I would encourage you
> > and/or your students to direct
> > media inquiries to the FCPS Office of Community
> > Relations. Thank you for your
> > support of Westfield High School.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Tim Thomas
>
>
> Here is the letter this bozo should have written:
>
> Dear Parents,
>
> Clearly there is a drug problem at the high school
> that I oversee and because of my incompetence I am
> able to do nothing about it. Let's all, as a
> community, be grateful that I failed these kids
> miserable and they have dropped out of my school
> and are now a menance to the community.
>
> Thanks for paying me $120k per year to do
> nothing!!
>
> Signed,
>
> Westfield HS Principal

Dear when will it end,

What a naive reaction. I am currently a Westfield senior and unless you also attend the school, that was an ill founded accusation at WHS Principal Tim Thomas. He's without a doubt an administrator I'll be proud to rememberer attending under for my high school years.

I'd like to see some statistical breakdown of HEROIN related crime that takes in to account the large population of Westfield.

I'm not trying to defend the choices of the boys in this "Heroin Ring", but the arrogance in posts such as these show some don't understand the realities of living in an area where people can know any such "sources in DB and B"

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gawd ()
Date: November 20, 2008 04:53PM

All these ass-clown junkies need to get locked-up for a long time. I've lost friends to Heroin...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bw ()
Date: November 20, 2008 05:03PM

no disrespect, for real. just gotta get the truth out there. cant watch anymore people talk shit without even knowing whats up. alicia lannes was the one who got skylar into doing heroin. skylar, jr, david and lokesh were all good friends before they even knew what heroin was. alicia came along into skylars life, turned him into a "fuckup" and then skylar passed it onto his closest friends. if meeting the wrong person who's a negative influence can turn you into a "killer"...well then i guess we should all be labeled as murderers.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dope ()
Date: November 20, 2008 05:13PM

sativa Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> another overpaid FCPS employee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When will it end Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Here is the letter I just recieved via email
> > from
> > > the principal...
> > >
> > > Dear Parents,
> > > You may have already seen or heard coverage
> on
> > TV
> > > or other media sources that a
> > > number of adults were arrested yesterday in
> our
> > > community for heroin
> > > distribution. A number of those charged are
> > > Westfield graduates or were once
> > > enrolled at Westfield but for one reason or
> > > another did not graduate from
> > > Westfield. I can tell you that the safety and
> > > security of your students remains
> > > a priority at Westfield High School and while
> > the
> > > fact remains that we will
> > > likely be the target of negative media
> > attention
> > > for now, it is comforting to
> > > know that those allegedly responsible for
> having
> > a
> > > negative influence on our
> > > students are in custody. I would encourage
> you
> > > and/or your students to direct
> > > media inquiries to the FCPS Office of
> Community
> > > Relations. Thank you for your
> > > support of Westfield High School.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Tim Thomas
> >
> >
> > Here is the letter this bozo should have
> written:
> >
> > Dear Parents,
> >
> > Clearly there is a drug problem at the high
> school
> > that I oversee and because of my incompetence I
> am
> > able to do nothing about it. Let's all, as a
> > community, be grateful that I failed these kids
> > miserable and they have dropped out of my
> school
> > and are now a menance to the community.
> >
> > Thanks for paying me $120k per year to do
> > nothing!!
> >
> > Signed,
> >
> > Westfield HS Principal
>
> Dear when will it end,
>
> What a naive reaction. I am currently a Westfield
> senior and unless you also attend the school, that
> was an ill founded accusation at WHS Principal Tim
> Thomas. He's without a doubt an administrator I'll
> be proud to rememberer attending under for my high
> school years.
>
> I'd like to see some statistical breakdown of
> HEROIN related crime that takes in to account the
> large population of Westfield.
>
> I'm not trying to defend the choices of the boys
> in this "Heroin Ring", but the arrogance in posts
> such as these show some don't understand the
> realities of living in an area where people can
> know any such "sources in DB and B"

This is one cheesy response. Shall we look at the total prostitution crime rate and relate that to Westfield's prostitute population? Because it is a big school, it should be expected and accepted that a certain portion of the school is involved in some crime? That is so stupid. Stop defending your drug loving cronies. Nobody feels sorry for these dopes. Clean up your act. Westfield's glory days are over. The school is too big for its britches and can hardly be managed. Fox News even has their satelite permanently secured to the flagpole for instant coverage of the sinking ship.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: November 20, 2008 05:54PM

Wow... just.. wow.

I can tell you that this is an incident localized to that crowd. Honest. Please don't label WHS grads as drug addicts just because of this.

Nevertheless this is just downright scary.

Anyway, this is shocking, but not unexpected. It's shocking to me because I heard all of these names a few years back - they were the preppy upperclassmen (the conceited rich kids).

There's an old meme common on this site that goes "the ____ must've gone to South Lakes". The underscore would be filled in with a perpetrator of some time, often a murderer or something similar- I'm worried that Westfield soon be the object of this meme, rather than South Lakes, which has had its notoriety for the last decade or so.

I've seen things in bathrooms and such that looked like drugs, but i've never been positive. This incident is disturbing.



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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: BoosterMan ()
Date: November 20, 2008 06:10PM

Then you are a fool. Westfield HS is one of the top 100 High schools in the country in national test scores and acheivement as rated by national news magazines. It produces some of the top students in the state. It is also the largest high school in the largest school system in the area. With 3300 students there are bound to be a few with problems. Some of those problems make headlines.

I can tell you that most employers and college admissions offices actively seek out Westfield graduates. Some make headlines for good things. How about Eddie Royal (Denver Bronco in contention for rookie of the year) and Evan Royster (Penn State running back helping his team to a run at the national title.)

BoosterMan

> jak blak Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> ...
> > Seriously, I do hiring all the time, and when I
> > see WESTFIELDS on somebody's application, it
> goes
> > right in the dumpster. I don't have time to be
> > drug testing and hearing excuses from these big
> > babies.
>
>

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: BoosterMan ()
Date: November 20, 2008 06:24PM

>
> This is one cheesy response. Shall we look at the
> total prostitution crime rate and relate that to
> Westfield's prostitute population? Because it is
> a big school, it should be expected and accepted
> that a certain portion of the school is involved
> in some crime? That is so stupid. Stop defending
> your drug loving cronies. Nobody feels sorry for
> these dopes. Clean up your act. Westfield's
> glory days are over. The school is too big for
> its britches and can hardly be managed. Fox News
> even has their satelite permanently secured to the
> flagpole for instant coverage of the sinking ship.


Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Westfield continues to be one of the most admired High Schools in the region, academically, athletically and in the performing arts. Why do you think a group of parents filed suit in a vain attempt not to be moved to another school in last year's redistricting. Westfield has such a GOOD reputation that being in the school's attendance area increases your property value.

Tim Thomas is a great principal. There is no suggestion that any of the drug activity occurred at the school, only that some of those involved graduated from there or attended there for a time. Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) attended Harvard, the University of Michigan and the University of California Berkeley, 3 of the best colleges in the country. I don't think anyone would say their glory days are over.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: nathen lowrey ()
Date: November 20, 2008 07:26PM

Hey i think your a douche bag, you probably fuck little girls asshole but in all honesty your right everything you said made such a good point thanks bye i have one ball

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ray showalter ()
Date: November 20, 2008 07:31PM

yo nathen its ray ray dawg you speakin da truffff kid keep it realy play boy

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Lynette Johnson ()
Date: November 20, 2008 08:59PM

Yes she should root in jail. So she tried to go clean after she helped kill somebody. She was old enough to know better. And the kids that got killed were not even addicts, used a few times, what in the hell were they selling.

She was making money off this it was not like she was doing something with friends.

It is great you defend your friend, but somethings you can't defend. Killing someone is one of them. Just ask any mother that has lost a child to drugs or a drunk driver. They did not mean it either.

Your friend was one of the people doing drugs the night of one of the deaths to celebrate her life...get real

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: BalticAve. ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:00PM

BoosterMan Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > This is one cheesy response. Shall we look at
> the
> > total prostitution crime rate and relate that
> to
> > Westfield's prostitute population? Because it
> is
> > a big school, it should be expected and
> accepted
> > that a certain portion of the school is
> involved
> > in some crime? That is so stupid. Stop
> defending
> > your drug loving cronies. Nobody feels sorry
> for
> > these dopes. Clean up your act. Westfield's
> > glory days are over. The school is too big for
> > its britches and can hardly be managed. Fox
> News
> > even has their satelite permanently secured to
> the
> > flagpole for instant coverage of the sinking
> ship.
>
>
> Clearly you have no idea what you are talking
> about. Westfield continues to be one of the most
> admired High Schools in the region, academically,
> athletically and in the performing arts. Why do
> you think a group of parents filed suit in a vain
> attempt not to be moved to another school in last
> year's redistricting. Westfield has such a GOOD
> reputation that being in the school's attendance
> area increases your property value.
>
> Tim Thomas is a great principal. There is no
> suggestion that any of the drug activity occurred
> at the school, only that some of those involved
> graduated from there or attended there for a time.
> Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) attended Harvard,
> the University of Michigan and the University of
> California Berkeley, 3 of the best colleges in the
> country. I don't think anyone would say their
> glory days are over.



Keep kidding yourself, your no better than any other school in Fairfax. It is this blind pride that masks your eyes from the ills that walk about the school. And no it does not increase your property value. You are stupid. Don't know anyone who wants to pay more money to live in a neighborhood that is home to SOOOO many drug dealers.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Lynette Johnson ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:13PM

in response to
She used to date Skylar and I've been told that he was the one that found her dead.

he did not find her dead,but he sure did kill her, he was with her that night got called home sent her home with the drugs. When he could not get ahold of her sent someone over. Something about looking in a window. The parents get woken up at 5 with the police and paramedics at the door. They have no idea what is going on. The paramedics tell them they go looking for her can't find her anywhere, they somehow she is hidden in her room and the next thing those poor parents know and see is the dead body of their daughter.

This was a poor nieve girl that got mixed up with the wrong guy. Those parents did everything they could. But when you kids turn 19 you can't turn your back you can only be there and help and try to keep the bad kids away. unfortunately, the few times this poor girl used (not bought) she OD's once and dies the next. That is beyond traggic and Skylar should rot in jail.

Lets just hope he does not get out on bail to do this to another unsuspecting person.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: geo ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:16PM

Yes, we were sheltered. Heroin was far from the norm .... unacceptable .... virtually nonexistent. The only needle I saw at that time was filled with ketamine.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ge ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:19PM

MILF Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wow- this is really disturbing. I'm a Chantilly
> (90's) grad and went to CHS when Justin Wolfe and
> his crew were there. Looking back on HS days, I
> must have been very sheltered because the word
> heroin never came up. Marijuana was the extent of
> the illegal drugs that you would hear about with
> the exception of ecstacy when it became big with
> the teen crowd. As a mother of 2 now, this
> disheartens me to know that a hardcore drug such
> as heroin is floating around our suburbs. It
> makes me want to pack up my family and move to
> Montana to get them away from this sh*t. I know
> its easy for me to say, but I just dont want my
> kids around this crap once they get to highschool.
> This isn't Compton people- it's the richest
> county in the nation (I think??). But seriously-
> come on!!! Parents need to be complete idiots to
> not know that their kid is strung out on something
> like this!!! It all starts with the parents.
> It's such BS that "Westfield Kids are rich, they
> have money, etc etc). OK! Well if they are so
> rich, their rich ass parents can send them away!!
> The problem is, they didnt- and look where it got
> them. Wow.

Yes, we were sheltered. Heroin was far from the norm .... unacceptable .... virtually nonexistent. The only needle I saw at that time was filled with ketamine.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Lynette Johnson ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:19PM

You are nuts, get some of the history. He gave her the drugs a few times. Some of the drug convictions of his friends, Skylar made a deal to get himself out of it and they got the conviction. He is in this up to his neck and started it well before they even started dating. She was dating somebody else when this ring started.

You are going to fell like a total ass when all this comes out. But the fact is and is public record Skylar got caught in 2007 made a deal and got off that is why it is not on his record. Two of the other guys took the fall and Skylar was the witness which made them take the deal. His parents probably paid them to take the fall.

It is easy to blame the dead but facts do not change just because you are dead.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wowlookatalltheseidiots ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:25PM

hahahah this is wild. all the people on here spitting out information like they know anything at all. Especially you 06whsgrad. First of all anna still is clean and doesnt even live in virginia anymore. Skylar didnt find alicia dead, JR definitely was not the first person to bring heroin to centreville. why would you even mention tayler's brother in this? any trouble hes ever cause is completely not relevent or on the same level as this situation. and dont blame alicias death on other people. she was an addict. she had been to rehab multiple times and had even od'd before. she knew it could kill her and she decided to shoot up by herself at her house the night she died. we had already had friends die from this and weve lost one more since her death. you cannot blame peoples overdoses on other people. it was their choice. i keep reading how people think that these dealers are trying to reel people in and get them addicted so they can have customers, people they dont need to reel anyone in, theres enough of a demand already. if you have a kid i bet theyve tried heroin if they live in cville. deal with it. your kids are not that innocent.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: lynette johnson is a moron too ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:32PM

alicia did not only use a few times. you are being extremely naive to believe that. she went to rehab lady. she was a full blown holy shit i love drugs party girl. if it wasnt drugs it was partying all night with alcohol just like every other kid i went to school with. i don't understand everyone believing these kids that died were so innocent and labeling these "dealers", in quotes because only 3 of these kids actually dealt, murderers. IT WAS ALICIAS OWN FAULT THAT SHE DIED, not skylars, not her parents, not the schools, her own fault for shooting heroin by herself in her basement. skylar sent someone over to check on her for christs sake, he was worried about her enough to have someone go look in her basement.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Jak Blak ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:46PM

LOL! 20 years Mandatory Minimum! LOL!!!!! Losers. Some people have the entire world handed to them on a platter, and STILL manage to fuck up life, like OJ Simpson.


http://www.news8.net/news/stories/1108/571492.html

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MILF ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:46PM

wowlookatalltheseidiots Wrote:
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if you
> have a kid i bet theyve tried heroin if they live
> in cville. deal with it. your kids are not that
> innocent.


I disagree. It takes a certain person to be able shoot something up in their veins. I was raised better than that. I had a ton of friends and cliques in high school- and I think I could speak for all of them that none of them would have gotten into that. LOL- I'm pretty sure we would have classified that as a "ghetto" drug back in those days- and no one would have touched it.

Yeah, we had people drive into SE for pot. Occasionally, you'd hear of someone going to get acid or boat. BUT- I knew of people who weren't so fortunate, and didn't come out alive. Those people were from broken homes, had absent parents, and really had nothing going for them. They were always on the streets. There were two types of people/users in my day- the kind that USED and had an addicition and stayed under the radar for personal use. Then there were the DEALERS (ie: Justin Wolfe) who sold to everyone and anyone, and didn't use. You kids should have listened to Biggie circa 1996- "Never get high on your own supply". Makes sense, doesnt it??

Heroin = crackhead, tweaking, nasty ass addicts. Real classy, "Cville".

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 06WHSGrad ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:50PM

wowlookatalltheseidiots Wrote:
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> hahahah this is wild. all the people on here
> spitting out information like they know anything
> at all. Especially you 06whsgrad. First of all
> anna still is clean and doesnt even live in
> virginia anymore. Skylar didnt find alicia dead,
> JR definitely was not the first person to bring
> heroin to centreville. why would you even mention
> tayler's brother in this? any trouble hes ever
> cause is completely not relevent or on the same
> level as this situation. and dont blame alicias
> death on other people. she was an addict. she had
> been to rehab multiple times and had even od'd
> before. she knew it could kill her and she
> decided to shoot up by herself at her house the
> night she died. we had already had friends die
> from this and weve lost one more since her death.
> you cannot blame peoples overdoses on other
> people. it was their choice. i keep reading how
> people think that these dealers are trying to reel
> people in and get them addicted so they can have
> customers, people they dont need to reel anyone
> in, theres enough of a demand already. if you
> have a kid i bet theyve tried heroin if they live
> in cville. deal with it. your kids are not that
> innocent.

I'm glad that Anna is still clean. I said, "I thought she was still clean" which is why I was surprised she was involved in this bust. I know she's had a past, which is most likely what she got nailed for, or an effort to use her as a witness to help convict the others. I'm also aware that she doesn't live in VA anymore, which is another reason why I was surprised she was mentioned in the article. Did you ever think there's a reason I didn't say much about her? Dumbass. I still talk with her every so often, glad she's doing better.

I never said JR was the first to bring it here, obviously that's not true. What I did say was that JR was one of the main ones responsible for bringing it to Westfield and getting people doing it. I'd bet I know much more about the situation than you, I've known him for a long time and heard him brag about it. Not to mention I hear a lot of things from his brother. Stop trying to twist my words.

Whether of not Skylar found Alicaia dead or not is debatable. I'm not positive on that, but I've heard multiple stories. That's why I started that sentence with, "I've been told..." If it's not true, fine, I was told wrong. Certainly wasn't me that started that rumor. I was told that by one of the other guys arrested, who was good friends with Skylar. I blame Alcia for her death, she made the decision to take the heroin. I also blame the people that enabled and encouraged her to do it, although not nearly as much as I blame her. I believe in a thing called personal responsibility, which she lacked.

Tayler is a cool girl, but she's trouble. Are you going to argue that her brother isn't a fuckup? He's had his share of trouble, although not to the extent that Tayler has. Disagree with me if you want, but I believe that her brother's behavior rubbed off on her. Take your pick between that, bad parenting, or her connection to JR (and others) and inability to make responsible decisions involving her life and friends.

Not sure if the last part is directed at me or not, but I'm not blaming anybody's death on a dealer. The dealer certainly isn't helping the situation, but I believe that the fault lies with the user and their inability to make good decisions. If you think that dealers don't care about business, you are crazy. Don't think for a minute that these kids weren't interested in the money that comes with dealing drugs. I knew a few when I was in high school and they were so proud of the money they were making and many of them would flaunt it. JR had quite a stash of cash that he brought in by dealing. I live in Centreville when I'm not at college, and I've never tired heroin. In fact I've never tried any drugs, not even marijuana. Don't smoke either. Worst I've done is underage drinking, and well, that happens in college. I'm not trying to take a "holier than thou" position at all either, I don't care, but some of us can make good decisions and it's not fair to lump all Westfield students or Centreville residents in one group.

Read. Comprehend. Post. Always in the order and you can prevent looking like and idiot that cannot find the meaning of a sentence.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Jee ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:53PM

MILF Wrote:
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> wowlookatalltheseidiots Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> if you
> > have a kid i bet theyve tried heroin if they
> live
> > in cville. deal with it. your kids are not
> that
> > innocent.
>
>
> I disagree. It takes a certain person to be able
> shoot something up in their veins. I was raised
> better than that. I had a ton of friends and
> cliques in high school- and I think I could speak
> for all of them that none of them would have
> gotten into that. LOL- I'm pretty sure we would
> have classified that as a "ghetto" drug back in
> those days- and no one would have touched it.
>
> Yeah, we had people drive into SE for pot.
> Occasionally, you'd hear of someone going to get
> acid or boat. BUT- I knew of people who weren't
> so fortunate, and didn't come out alive. Those
> people were from broken homes, had absent parents,
> and really had nothing going for them. They were
> always on the streets. There were two types of
> people/users in my day- the kind that USED and had
> an addicition and stayed under the radar for
> personal use. Then there were the DEALERS (ie:
> Justin Wolfe) who sold to everyone and anyone, and
> didn't use. You kids should have listened to
> Biggie circa 1996- "Never get high on your own
> supply". Makes sense, doesnt it??
>
> Heroin = crackhead, tweaking, nasty ass addicts.
> Real classy, "Cville".

You're mistaken if you think Wolfe didn't use.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MILF ()
Date: November 20, 2008 09:56PM

Ecstacy- oh yes. But he didnt smoke weed, which ironically landed him on death row.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: weed ()
Date: November 20, 2008 10:03PM

MILF Wrote:
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> Ecstacy- oh yes. But he didnt smoke weed, which
> ironically landed him on death row.


haha i dont think it was weed that landed him on death row. i think it was more the murder for hire scheme he put together. and in interviews he readily admits smoking copious amounts of weed

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: November 20, 2008 10:27PM

dang, all this is like a soap opera. no, actually its like a movie. like American Gangster. except this "Skylar" and "JR" are Frank Lucas.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: November 20, 2008 10:29PM

Make it stop! These loser druggies are taking over the board!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bnye ()
Date: November 20, 2008 10:31PM

my main problem with this forum is you, milf

1. no one should even be listening to you, you stupid bitch because your name is MILF.

2. please leave this website and never speak again because you are the stupidest person i have ever seen on the internet.

i have also been confused as why the people are blaming the drug dealers for the deaths of the users. its more the buyers fault then the seller. its there own decision to mess up their lives. these kids should not rot in hell, i think whoever said that should fucking burn in hell for eternity. your all dumb. shut up.
people are responsible for their own actions and dealers should be punished as well. noone even think about responding back to me. i am all knowing and you all are stupid assholes.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: stupid ass fucking bitch ()
Date: November 20, 2008 11:07PM

Okay you stupid cunt first of all to generalize all of WESTFIELD as big drug addicted babies is probably the biggest mistake you can make. Yeah we have had our share of kids that went wrong but for as many bad kids there are there are good.

Second of all...I'm suprised you are in a position to hire people when you're retarded enough to call it WestfieldS....you are such a fucking cunt sucking bitch shut the fuck up when you cant even say the SCHOOL name right. its W-E-S-T-F-I-E-L-D.....no S you stupid fucker.

seriously all of you stop judging and talking about things you know nothing about.


This is for that gay cunt face that said they throw out applications of employers from WHS

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bw ()
Date: November 21, 2008 12:22AM

Lynette Johnson Wrote:
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> in response to
> She used to date Skylar and I've been told that he
> was the one that found her dead.
>
> he did not find her dead,but he sure did kill her,
> he was with her that night got called home sent
> her home with the drugs. When he could not get
> ahold of her sent someone over. Something about
> looking in a window. The parents get woken up at 5
> with the police and paramedics at the door. They
> have no idea what is going on. The paramedics tell
> them they go looking for her can't find her
> anywhere, they somehow she is hidden in her room
> and the next thing those poor parents know and see
> is the dead body of their daughter.
>
> This was a poor nieve girl that got mixed up with
> the wrong guy. Those parents did everything they
> could. But when you kids turn 19 you can't turn
> your back you can only be there and help and try
> to keep the bad kids away. unfortunately, the few
> times this poor girl used (not bought) she OD's
> once and dies the next. That is beyond traggic and
> Skylar should rot in jail.
>
> Lets just hope he does not get out on bail to do
> this to another unsuspecting person.


completely wrong and obvious that you know nothing of this sitution. first of all i know the person who found alecias body. im gonna leave them unnamed but it was not jr or skylar. second of all somebody mentioned on here that alicia was a druggy party girl. this is completely true. like i mentioned before, she was the one who got skylar into doing hard drugs in the first place. also, the reason why she died is because she was holding onto skylars dope and she did too much of it because they got in a fight and she got greedy and wanted to do a bunch of his shit prolly just to piss him off or something. and the whole "poor girl who used (not bought) and od's once" thing is all bullshit too. she overdosed many times and had several chances at life but continued to use heroin. she was actually one of the first people to begin using it around this area so stop calling her innocent and calling skylar a killer because none of you know what you're talking about. you're just letting the media make up your mind for you.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: GRT ()
Date: November 21, 2008 12:38AM

stupid ass fucking bitch Wrote:
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> Okay you stupid cunt first of all to generalize
> all of WESTFIELD as big drug addicted babies is
> probably the biggest mistake you can make. Yeah we
> have had our share of kids that went wrong but for
> as many bad kids there are there are good.
>
> Second of all...I'm suprised you are in a position
> to hire people when you're retarded enough to call
> it WestfieldS....you are such a fucking cunt
> sucking bitch shut the fuck up when you cant even
> say the SCHOOL name right. its
> W-E-S-T-F-I-E-L-D.....no S you stupid fucker.
>
> seriously all of you stop judging and talking
> about things you know nothing about.
>
>
> This is for that gay cunt face that said they
> throw out applications of employers from WHS

nice. suppose you are a better rep. *sigh*

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: November 21, 2008 01:15AM

Listen, Skylar is a ruthless, unprepentent killer. I know him well. He will kill again as soon as he is able... let's make sure he's doing it from behind bars, to himself.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: really? ()
Date: November 21, 2008 01:49AM

honestly, if you don't know what you're talking about don't post shit on here about it. FAIL. seriously though.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Justitia ()
Date: November 21, 2008 01:49AM

With "bw" as their character witness, how could a jury possibly put Skylar and his buddies behind bars????

After all, "mistakes" or "missteps", or whatever, surely do not rise to the level of crimes...right?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MILF ()
Date: November 21, 2008 08:18AM

weed Wrote:
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> MILF Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ecstacy- oh yes. But he didnt smoke weed,
> which
> > ironically landed him on death row.
>
>
> haha i dont think it was weed that landed him on
> death row. i think it was more the murder for
> hire scheme he put together. and in interviews he
> readily admits smoking copious amounts of weed

Negative. He didnt smoke anything, not even cigs. Weed is exactly why the supposed murder for hire even occured. Owen was jealous of Danny, Danny sold more weight than owen and he wanted to take over Nova and be stuck up Justins ass. Owen was psycho. And it was all over weed.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Confused ()
Date: November 21, 2008 10:13AM

weed Wrote:
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> MILF Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ecstacy- oh yes. But he didnt smoke weed,
> which
> > ironically landed him on death row.
>
>
> haha i dont think it was weed that landed him on
> death row. i think it was more the murder for
> hire scheme he put together. and in interviews he
> readily admits smoking copious amounts of weed

Negative. He didnt smoke anything, not even cigs. Weed is exactly why the supposed murder for hire even occured. Owen was jealous of Danny, Danny sold more weight than owen and he wanted to take over Nova and be stuck up Justins ass. Owen was psycho. And it was all over weed.

THAT IS REALLY FUNNY BECAUSE ONLINE IN AN INTERVIEW HE ADMITS TO DOING COCAINE, X AND K! I THINK I WOULD HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR HIM IF HE WERE JUST A WEED HEAD! BUT REGARDLESS...I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD BE WHERE HE IS AFTER READING ABOUT IT ONLINE. THERE IS AN INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT FROM 48 HOURS ON THERE. I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR THAT SOMEONE CAN KILL SOMEONE BLAME ANOTHER AND GET OFF LESS THEN THE PERSON THEY BLAMED THAT WASN'T EVEN THERE! WHERE IS THE JUSTICE??? IF A PERSON STANDING NEXT TO ME SAYS THEY HATE SOMEONE AND THEY SHOULD DIE AND I GO AND SHOOT THEM BUT SAY THE OTHER PERSON WANTED THEM DEAD I CAN GET OFF BY MAKING A DEAL! REALLY??? THE CHARGES AND CONVICTIONS SHOULD BE FLIPPED!!!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: You Don't Know Him ()
Date: November 21, 2008 12:38PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> Listen, Skylar is a ruthless, unprepentent killer.
> I know him well. He will kill again as soon as
> he is able... let's make sure he's doing it from
> behind bars, to himself.


Do you know Skylar? Do you know anything factual about this whole situation? Because I do. Not only has Skylar been my friend almost my entire life but I consider him like a brother and his parents like my own mom and dad. I never did hard drugs like any of them, other than smoking weed occasionally. Skylar is not a "ruthless, unprepentent killer" as you say. They both used. Skylar didn't force her to use. She took the dope from him the day she died and used herself. That was the same day he stopped using too. To call someone you've never met a ruthless killer based on blog talk and parents rumors is bullshit. I'm not agreeing with BW either because they were both doing hard drugs BEFORE THEY STARTED DATING! They were unhealthy for each other, but they were both equally at fault for THEIR OWN ADDICTIONS! Alicia had overdosed numerous times before her death, and she used by herself the night she died. I knew Alicia very well, and it pains me to say it but she killed herself, her death wasn't assisted. I miss her everyday for her mistakes, but to put the blame elsewhere is disgusting. Through Alicia's death, she saved Skylar's life and many others, because it led them to get clean. Everything that is just coming out now happened more than 6 months ago, it's just coming out now because the FBI finally got involved to bring down not this petty ring, but the big guys in DC and Baltimore. I'm not saying every one of those kids is innocent, because they aren't. They've all made mistakes that they will have to pay for, but murder is not something any of them should be charged with. It's ludicrous. Do not make generalizations about anyone you don't know. The media has been skewing things so badly, to the point where these 19 and 20 year old kids are being made out to be ruthless murderers and thugs that run around with guns selling dope to middle schoolers. All I'm saying is do not believe everything the media tells you. They have been given information about the case, and from the little that they now, the created their stories and generalizations. If any of you knew any of the facts about even what happened to Alicia you would be able to see through all of this, but you don't, and you don't deserve or need to know. The only people that really deserve to know anything are the Lannes', the Schnippel's, and the US District Courts.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Same neighborhood ()
Date: November 21, 2008 12:56PM

Skylar is a bigtime loser, I'm glad they finally nailed his ass. He's just a loser druggie, and he used to be really in to child pornography back when he was in HS, he's a sick, perverted fuck and he deserves a long jail sentence. Plus his family ALWAYS hires illegals to help do their lawn work, so fuck it, they deserve it too.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bw ()
Date: November 21, 2008 01:21PM

Same neighborhood Wrote:
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> Skylar is a bigtime loser, I'm glad they finally
> nailed his ass. He's just a loser druggie, and he
> used to be really in to child pornography back
> when he was in HS, he's a sick, perverted fuck and
> he deserves a long jail sentence. Plus his family
> ALWAYS hires illegals to help do their lawn work,
> so fuck it, they deserve it too.

i'd really enjoy kicking you in the face.

ps- if any federal agents read this, get the fuck out of nova and start working on busting people in b-more and dc. haha it really aint that hard to figure out which ones are hustlin dope in b-more. go there n sit at a mall parking lot for a minute, you'll see grimy lookin nigs driving fancier cars then people living here in fairfax county makin tradeoffs constantly. you think you figured out some big drug smuggling ring or something but it really is just petty shit that is being blown way out of proportion.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: A stranger with a heart ()
Date: November 21, 2008 01:56PM

I don't know him but I think you said it very nicely. Even though this kid might have been an ass at some point, he was still only a kid! He was a product of his enviorment! Who cares what his parents do and don't do to other people's standards, they are still people too. Maybe all of those who say he was all those bad things are just angry because at one point they were jealous and now they are taking this situation to get back at him! Well as with him believe karma does come back, it got him and it will get you too! Hopefully he is clean and they all get through this! As for murder...the only people these kids killed are themselves and their families! Their lives will never be the same and I hope all the other kids just getting in to this stuff see this and get out while they can! don't live life saying it won't happen to me....that is what they thought too! I wish the girl Alicia's friends and family nothing but the best! She may not have been perfect but she was perfect for them and no matter what they loved her! She was a beautiful girl and it is sad what happened to her.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: K-Gard ()
Date: November 21, 2008 01:59PM

Pretty amazing that people are saying this is being blown out of proportion or that it is "petty." No, busting a small time weed operation could be seen as petty. 3 people have died but yet it is being blown out of proportion? Give me a break.

To the people that are saying it's all the users fault and "if they hadn't gotten it from them, they just would have gone somewhere else"...get a clue. The fact of the matter is that young people, extremely young people, have died from the product they've received from these people...they deserve to go to jail.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: this is stupid ()
Date: November 21, 2008 02:13PM

K-Gard Wrote:
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> Pretty amazing that people are saying this is
> being blown out of proportion or that it is
> "petty." No, busting a small time weed operation
> could be seen as petty. 3 people have died but
> yet it is being blown out of proportion? Give me
> a break.
>
> To the people that are saying it's all the users
> fault and "if they hadn't gotten it from them,
> they just would have gone somewhere else"...get a
> clue. The fact of the matter is that young
> people, extremely young people, have died from the
> product they've received from these people...they
> deserve to go to jail.


get over it...happens every single day all around the country and globe. it just comes as a shock cuz we live in rich suburbs full of people who live sheltered lives who have no idea what really goes on in the world.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: K-Gard ()
Date: November 21, 2008 02:15PM

"Product of their environment"???? Put down the Lil Weezy cd and back away. Stop kidding yourselves, western FFX County is one of the most affluent areas in the country.

Everybody wants to place the blame on somebody else. At the least, these kids were extremely dumb and doing something extremely illegal.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: K-Gard ()
Date: November 21, 2008 02:18PM

Don't worry, I'm over it. Trust me, I'm not naive, I know this stuff goes on everywhere but just because it goes on everywhere doesn't mean we should just dismiss it as being "petty". Like I said, 3 young people are dead, somebody deserves to go to jail for a long time.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: this is stupid ()
Date: November 21, 2008 03:27PM

these "killers" could've just as easily been one of the "innocent youngins" to die. Everyone in this case was a user. they were all junkies that used together and select ones chose to get greedy or didn't know their limits or in some cases killed themselves by shootin up too much on purpose. and they werent the only ones that made trips up to baltimore and dc. i know a bunch of people who would travel to b-more to get dope that are not mentioned at all. thats just where the "good shit" was at and all the junkies knew that. plus they sold it because a bag goes for 40 in nova whereas it goes for 20 in dc or b-more and they knew for a fact they could get rid of it. why? because people were SEEKING it. they werent being pressured to buy it. these "innocent kids" you keep talking about were going out of their way to look for it. money is the root of all evil and i think with easy money like that..many of you people talkin shit would consider hustlin it too if u happened to be in that situation. lets all just be glad that we individuals didnt take the downwards spriraling path heroin takes you on.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: this is stupid ()
Date: November 21, 2008 03:30PM

IT WASNT DISTRIBUTION TO LITTLE INNOCENT KIDS. IT WAS SELLING TO AND HELPING OUT FELLOW DOPERS/JUNKIES SO THAT THEY COULD GET FREE DOPE.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Squiggy ()
Date: November 21, 2008 03:51PM

Speaking of heroin OD:

Chad Crites - RIP. WT Woodson '93.

A close friend of mine since I moved to Fairfax in the late 80s who always pushed life to limit and lived everyday as if it were his last.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: anony ()
Date: November 21, 2008 05:03PM

Earlier in the posts, someone said that it's difficult to live in C-ville? I'm sorry, but I was at WHS about a week ago visiting my old teachers and just walking through the parking lot proves that statement is false. You can't tell me that anywhere you can find a over dozen BMWs that belong to students is at all a "difficult place to live." The only hard thing is maybe rush hour on rt28. There is no excuse for people priveledged enough to be brought up in a place like Fairfax County to be throwing their lives away by getting into shit like that. And don't get me wrong, I knew a few of these ppl, I was really close with one of them, so I know who I'm talking about.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Republican Gym Teacher ()
Date: November 21, 2008 05:08PM

I taught one of them boys in gym class and I couldn't wait until they all hit the showers.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Brotha Lynch ()
Date: November 21, 2008 06:33PM

why is every1 hating on skylar what did he do that the others didnt?

i was reading this article in the post today and i found a paragraph interesting.

a girl od'd in aug 07 was revived by paramedics to od again in oct 07 with a not so fortunate outcome.

i hope those above in the arrest sheet with multiple drug charges get HARD time. Time to grow up in the state penn succa

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: pour out a little liqour ()
Date: November 21, 2008 06:36PM

Squiggy Wrote:
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> Speaking of heroin OD:
>
> Chad Crites - RIP. WT Woodson '93.
>
> A close friend of mine since I moved to Fairfax in
> the late 80s who always pushed life to limit and
> lived everyday as if it were his last.


nice man. a true friend paying tribute i like that. i always wondered what people will say about me at my funeral. thats when the truth comes out and its sad that you have to wait so long to hear what is so true.

shouldnt we all live it like it were our last? you know, cherish what you love. in his case he loved heroin. hey man, one life to live

pour out a little liqour

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: I am the top 2 posts ()
Date: November 21, 2008 06:37PM

One last thing. to tie this tidbit up
RIP Ryan and Terry Strope

Outro

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: get a life ()
Date: November 21, 2008 06:49PM

RESton Peace you are a worthless piece of fucking shit and i hope you rot in hell

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Congrats ur the winnar ()
Date: November 21, 2008 06:54PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> Listen, Skylar is a ruthless, unprepentent killer.
> I know him well. He will kill again as soon as
> he is able... let's make sure he's doing it from
> behind bars, to himself.


I'd this one wins out of all the replies
gave me a chuckle

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: A stranger with a heart ()
Date: November 21, 2008 08:19PM

First of all I don't listen to LIL Whoever but what I meant by "Product of their enviorment" is that they have been taught that they are higher then god because that is whay mommie and daddy taught them! Mommy and Daddy have paid financially for every mistake these kids have made therefore they don't know how to accept responisibilty for their actions! Well they will learn now but i am sure once again mommy and daddy will put up the $600K house for a great lawyer and it will all be by-gones! The only lesson learned is the price that poor girls family is paying everyday through her absence. Which is in part their fault too! Children are a result of their parents...I think everyday as I watch my kids grow! I do wish them all the best because I know it is hard no matter who they are and I hope no matter the lesson they all learn from it!

Hey....maybe they can all go to rehab, get better and grow up! Maybe one day one them will start a rehab facility in the name of Alicia Lannes with all the money they save from not buying dope!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: mmhm ()
Date: November 21, 2008 10:19PM

A stranger with a heart Wrote:
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> First of all I don't listen to LIL Whoever but
> what I meant by "Product of their enviorment" is
> that they have been taught that they are higher
> then god because that is whay mommie and daddy
> taught them! Mommy and Daddy have paid financially
> for every mistake these kids have made therefore
> they don't know how to accept responisibilty for
> their actions! Well they will learn now but i am
> sure once again mommy and daddy will put up the
> $600K house for a great lawyer and it will all be
> by-gones! The only lesson learned is the price
> that poor girls family is paying everyday through
> her absence. Which is in part their fault too!
> Children are a result of their parents...I think
> everyday as I watch my kids grow! I do wish them
> all the best because I know it is hard no matter
> who they are and I hope no matter the lesson they
> all learn from it!
>
> Hey....maybe they can all go to rehab, get better
> and grow up! Maybe one day one them will start a
> rehab facility in the name of Alicia Lannes with
> all the money they save from not buying dope!


you sound like a sexy soccer mom. wanna bang in ur van?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: frank lucas ()
Date: November 21, 2008 11:38PM

i know people who brought heroin to centreville to use and distribute since these kids were in preschool. its easy.. go to half street and drugs are advertised to cars with VA plates. these kids are hot boys and deserve this. they flaunt there shit like they wanna be caught. ive heard bad things about all these people. and been at a party around them before.. i decided it wasnt my type of people and left.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MILF ()
Date: November 22, 2008 12:18AM

Did some research...and I dont know about you all, but I think this Skylar cat is a major d-bag.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30374830&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=1572900818&id=1572900986#/photo.php?pid=30368925&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=1572900818&id=1572900861

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: November 22, 2008 12:28AM

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2009 09:21PM by Awakened.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: mmkay ()
Date: November 22, 2008 12:44AM

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30368914&op=6&o=global&view=global&subj=1572900818&id=1572900861

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yup ()
Date: November 22, 2008 01:35AM

MILF- fuck you, you stupid cunt. what makes you so fucking special? your kids could damn well grow up to be heroin users.. i hope they do

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centre ville
Posted by: May they rot in prison ()
Date: November 22, 2008 01:49AM

Like it or not kiddies these bad boys & girls are going on a long trip to the big house. All charged are adults, so it's time to face the reality of adulthood. With a bit of look all will be out within 25 years, so the bitch whining about her slut friend better find a new snatch to eat.

We had another famous druggie fuck kill two police officers at the Sullyfield Station, yet another wipe out a bunch of students at Virginia Tech and you assholes defend drug abuse ?

That's totally skipping the other asshole from Chantilly currently on death row for hiring a hitman. (Time for him to die, give him a date with the men in white coats).

What we need in Virgina:
First offense possession- Mandatory 3 years incarceration, revocation of driving privileges for 2 years after release. Drug testing for life with a full repeat of the original sentence hanging over the druggie bastard's head.

Second offense: 10-20 in Federal prison

Third offense or a conviction for distribution, a shot in the arm.

Get rid of the druggie scum like Iran does !
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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centre ville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 22, 2008 09:13AM

Public hanging is a little harsh, but all of the "drugs-are-a-victimless-crime" crowd should know the history of China.. In China a huge % of the population were opium addicts, after a few years of harsh remedies (including capital punishment) the problem had been decimated at least, that's literally cut to a tenth of what it was.

If I knew any of them personally I'm sure SOME of the bunch aren't BAD kids.No one probably made a lot of money, just resale to feed their habits. They are sick, THEY WILL ALL SNITCH and in a case like this it's not necessarily a bad thing - no one can expect a herion addict to have anyones back and anyone who has a clear and sober mind who DEALS heroin is an exploitive piece of shit who deserves all the law enforcement they get..

I rarely cheer for any one going to prison, I won't here either, it's just pathetic. These kids will all rat, do a little time/rehab and most of them will be back in trouble again for dirty piss etc. I have seen it again and again.

I sure don't agree with hanging, but where Centreville and the accuseds peer group failed them is by tolerating what they may have known was going on behind the scenes. Were there NO positive role models willing to kick anyones ass, check arms for track marks or even just shun and shame? If you look the other way on heroin, you enable these losers. I'm not saying be McRuff and dial 911 on a friend, but all the people on this forum crying about what good kids they were- WHERE the fuck were you when you could have helped with a slap in the face?
May they rot in prison Wrote:
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> Like it or not kiddies these bad boys & girls are
> going on a long trip to the big house. All charged
> are adults, so it's time to face the reality of
> adulthood. With a bit of look all will be out
> within 25 years, so the bitch whining about her
> slut friend better find a new snatch to eat.
>
> We had another famous druggie fuck kill two police
> officers at the Sullyfield Station, yet another
> wipe out a bunch of students at Virginia Tech and
> you assholes defend drug abuse ?
>
> That's totally skipping the other asshole from
> Chantilly currently on death row for hiring a
> hitman. (Time for him to die, give him a date with
> the men in white coats).
>
> What we need in Virgina:
> First offense possession- Mandatory 3 years
> incarceration, revocation of driving privileges
> for 2 years after release. Drug testing for life
> with a full repeat of the original sentence
> hanging over the druggie bastard's head.
>
> Second offense: 10-20 in Federal prison
>
> Third offense or a conviction for distribution, a
> shot in the arm.
>
> Get rid of the druggie scum like Iran does !

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: go back to class kid ()
Date: November 22, 2008 10:31AM

A friend Wrote:
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> I've known Skylar and JR almost my entire life.
> Tayler, Lokesh, David, and Anna I know as well.
> They are all my good friends, even with their
> flaws. I was also friends with Skylar's girlfriend
> Alicia, one of the three people that was allegedly
> "murdered" by my friends. To charge any of them
> with murder through that kind of association is
> ludicrous. The people that died were addicts. They
> each made the choice to shoot up that one last
> time. They each made the choice to shoot up that
> first time too. Don't blame these deaths on anyone
> but the deceased. They all died too young and too
> tragically, but their tragedys will serve as
> guidelines for future generations. They can only
> blame themselves. They can't blame each other for
> their addictions and what has happened because it
> was their own choice to do dope.


in others words. they handed a loaded pistol to a suicidal child. and they are responsible for the outcome? gimmea break what planet you living on son?
dont skip anymore school cause your thought process is out of proportion

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ummm ()
Date: November 22, 2008 10:34AM

Concerned Wrote:
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> I feel bad for all people involved! We all know
> what the drug does to us and yet some people still
> choose to use it. Why would anyone try anything
> they know is going to make them steal from their
> parents or die to get high? Why start a habit you
> know will finish you? Reading some of your
> comments is sad. Misery loves company and that is
> why these kids sold it to their friends, they
> wanted everyone around them to be like them so
> they could feel better about themselves. In
> reality they didn't know what they were doing,
> they didn't care either, they just wanted to get
> high! I don't think they are killers, they are
> addicts with no moral standing! I see people on
> here talking about being their friends, well if
> you are such a good friend then why did you let it
> get to this point? Your pointing the finger saying
> everyone doesn't know them and you are correct. I
> am sure these kids were once very nice and great
> freinds but learn about the drug and the habit
> before you express a bias opinion in anyone. You
> know the other side to these kids so cherish that
> but understand that all others see is a junkie
> looking for the next fix. You may have known these
> people growing up but believe me they stopped
> being that person the first time they shut up. I
> do wish them all the best because everyone
> deserves a second chance unfortunatly these people
> have to learn the hard way. I hope the best
> outcome is that more people learn from it before
> it gets any worse.


look at their arrest history. they have had 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances. lock the f(*#$## away and throw away the key

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: what a idiot ()
Date: November 22, 2008 11:23AM

dontjailthesekids Wrote:
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> These were good kids, I knew a few of them
> personally. they need treatment and a ticket out
> of this fucked up county. Heroin use was growing
> when I went to school at woodson, and now it seems
> to have become a trendy thing to do. I hope
> everyone can recover from this disaster in peace.


how will those who have died 'recover from this'?
The kids criminal history says it all. they dont learn and hey - heres a good time to show them a thing or two. What is a ticket out of town going to do? So they can cop the crap in another state? ur just as bad as these druggies

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: A friend ()
Date: November 22, 2008 02:10PM

go back to class kid Wrote:
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> in others words. they handed a loaded pistol to a
> suicidal child. and they are responsible for the
> outcome? gimmea break what planet you living on
> son?
> dont skip anymore school cause your thought
> process is out of proportion

What does any of what I said have to do with me going to class? You're an ignorant asshole that is only believing what the media says. Handed a loaded pistol to a suicidal child? What a bullshit metaphor. All of those "kids" are adults. They knew what they were doing. Alicia had OD'd multiple times before that final time and to put the blame anywhere else is completely ridiculous. Alicia shot up the drugs by herself. It's sad but true. The Lannes' think that by putting people away for murder will bring her daughter back, but it won't. If the situation were flipped, if Skylar had OD'd and died and it were Alicia that had lived, would you all be comdemning this "innocent little girl" to LIFE IN PRISON?! No you wouldn't. You would all say "he did it to himself". So don't peddle this crap to anyone. It was not murder, it was not suicide, it was not assisted, it was an addict overdosing. And it was horrible, but Alicia's fault.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: A friend ()
Date: November 22, 2008 02:11PM

OH! And, when Alicia came back from rehab, she didn't relapse with Skylar, she relapsed with someone else. Skylar relapsed with her. Other way around.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: i agree with a friend ()
Date: November 22, 2008 03:02PM

/\ a friend knows what the hell theyre talkin about. for once its good to see someone post on here who obviously actually knew both skylar and alicia. I knew skylar back when he thought getting a gram of leaves as a bag of weed was good as hell. no bullshit. he told me all super excited and said dude i just got a bag and its all leaves and it got me so high. this is the kinda kid skylar was before he met alicia. she turned him into almost a completely different person and got him to try all kinds of drugs. she even got him to smoke crack which im disgusted with. alicia went in and out of rehab for heroin use multiple times and overdosed multiple times. lokesh and skylar were my friends and im gonna miss them horribly but they do need to learn a lesson because they were given many chances and they continued doing what they did. but just like that, alicia was given many chances at life and she kept taking it for granted. her death was tragic but inevitable. its foolish for her father to think that ruining her boyfriends entire life will bring justice to this situation. alicia wouldn't have agreed with her father i dont think. skylar is more of the victim here. he met the wrong person who led him down the wrong path, died on his heroin because she got greedy and left skylar facing a manslaughter charge.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: thank you come again ()
Date: November 22, 2008 05:17PM

here you kids are playing the blame game again. can some1 say 40 years ?

atleast the mandatory minimum of 20 please Lord

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jonathan ()
Date: November 22, 2008 06:29PM

yo leave fuckin bonneville outa this shit. he didnt do nething. and stop talking shit about stuff u dont know about. unless u know any of these people and know their story as well as the fcpd and fbi's story...u dont know shit. the press isnt even right about whats goin on..wouldnt be suprised if they got a lawsuit in their lap. and lastly, stop lookin shit up on facebook u fuckin creeps. get out of ur house and do something with ur life rather than sit here and talk shit about u dont know about. skylar doesnt need anymore of this shit in his life...its in the past, people make mistakes. alicias death was her own burden and she tossed it out the window....no one else but her. one love


ps..i <3 fupa

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: November 22, 2008 08:31PM

Alex Bonneville is similar in age to some of these people.. but earlier he said he went to Chantilly in the 90s, which would lead me to think its his family member, Michael Bonneville.

(I only know this because you unawarely gave out your info with that Facebook link. all Facebook search URL's have the searcher's ID in it)

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jonathan ()
Date: November 22, 2008 09:04PM

Awakened Wrote:
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> Alex Bonneville is similar in age to some of these
> people.. but earlier he said he went to Chantilly
> in the 90s, which would lead me to think its his
> family member, Michael Bonneville.
>
> (I only know this because you unawarely gave out
> your info with that Facebook link. all Facebook
> search URL's have the searcher's ID in it)


fyi buddy...im good friends w. alex bonneville and he is tight w. skylar and was w. alicia before she died..and i know for a fact he did not post those pictures on this webiste. i dont know who did but i know 100% that it wasnt him. and leave his older brother outa all of this.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: November 22, 2008 09:05PM

oh. i thought MILF = Alex Bonneville. cause the URL was FROM his account. my bad. the URL was OF Skylar Schnippel, but it was being viewed by Alex's account.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Grow up you dumb fuck ()
Date: November 22, 2008 09:35PM

So did you flunk out of the 1st grade ? We need to send you to a prison that has remedial English classes for retards.

jonathan Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yo leave fuckin bonneville outa this shit. he
> didnt do nething. and stop talking shit about
> stuff u dont know about. unless u know any of
> these people and know their story as well as the
> fcpd and fbi's story...u dont know shit. the press
> isnt even right about whats goin on..wouldnt be
> suprised if they got a lawsuit in their lap. and
> lastly, stop lookin shit up on facebook u fuckin
> creeps. get out of ur house and do something with
> ur life rather than sit here and talk shit about u
> dont know about. skylar doesnt need anymore of
> this shit in his life...its in the past, people
> make mistakes. alicias death was her own burden
> and she tossed it out the window....no one else
> but her. one love
>
>
> ps..i <3 fupa

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jonathan ()
Date: November 22, 2008 10:28PM

yea bro. the pics were just being viewed from alex's account.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: this is the way we ball ()
Date: November 22, 2008 10:30PM

post these pictures up here. lets see these fuckn loser dope heads all under the age of 21 LMAO!!!!1
what a way to ruin your life goodjob!!!

i hope your parents are PROUD!! they did a WONDERFUL job in taking initiative in your pre-adulthood life after all that arrest history.

now i hope they take some dry hard dick up there suburban white assholes for the next 15-20 years.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dang mang ()
Date: November 22, 2008 11:58PM

i bet you after a year skylar will be hockin a loogie on the dudes dick before he gets rammed for the extra lube
and by 3 years hell start wearing a bra with fake boobs and suckin dick for newports

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jonathan ()
Date: November 23, 2008 12:19AM

dang mang Wrote:
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> i bet you after a year skylar will be hockin a
> loogie on the dudes dick before he gets rammed for
> the extra lube
> and by 3 years hell start wearing a bra with fake
> boobs and suckin dick for newports


i bet you skylar wont even go to "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: tubby ()
Date: November 23, 2008 01:35AM

This is such a stupid fucking country! Our impending demise is LONG overdue....

In an enlightened America, pre-loaded packs of syringes of heroin would be for sale in the chiller at every 7-Eleven, next to the six packs of Bud....if they were, we wouldn't even be talking about this shit.

These punks only did and sold horse because they were trying to piss off mommy/daddy and/or impress the other morons at school. If the shit was legal and was marketed by the Anheiser Busch/InBev empire, these punks would rather pop their zits in the bathroom mirror than nod off with the horse. Like any immature kids, they only want to do shit that they're not supposed to do.

Legalize the shit and the kids won't want anything to do with it!!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jak blak ()
Date: November 23, 2008 02:05AM

I'd never hire a Westfield's graduate.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: November 23, 2008 04:32AM

tubby Wrote:
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> Legalize the shit and the kids won't want anything
> to do with it!!

file.php?2,file=1146
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 23, 2008 10:03AM

Get Real. Do you have any idea what heroin does to your body and mind? You are probably one of these guys who smokes a little weed and maybe had a friend or two who dabbled with hard stuff but never got a habit, so all of a sudden your experience should be everyone elses, Sure! Use all the different kinds of dope you want, the problem is the law and the government!


Would you apply the same logic to gun control? Would you be willing to lower the FDA standards in other areas?Does America need more junkies? I'm very libertarian but the public danger and health risks of heroin won't be sent away by decriminalization..Holland or Switzerland tried the "needle park sanctuary" shit and they got dope fiends from all over Europe stinking the place up.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: BoosterManOnDrugs ()
Date: November 23, 2008 02:08PM

BoosterMan Wrote:
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> Clearly you have no idea what you are talking
> about. Westfield continues to be one of the most
> admired High Schools in the region, academically,
> athletically and in the performing arts. Why do
> you think a group of parents filed suit in a vain
> attempt not to be moved to another school in last
> year's redistricting. Westfield has such a GOOD
> reputation that being in the school's attendance
> area increases your property value.
>
> Tim Thomas is a great principal. There is no
> suggestion that any of the drug activity occurred
> at the school, only that some of those involved
> graduated from there or attended there for a time.... I don't think anyone would say their glory days are over.


YEAHAA, think they are over. The front page of the WP? How embarrassing. Every big news service will pick this up. Soon something will show on 60 Minutes or it will become a Jodi Picoult novel. And now even the football team can't redeem the school. Soon the goods will be dispersed. The good teachers will find reason to go elsewhere. The students really are not that great. They are about average and academically below most of the other nearby schools. The parents have always been a bit loopy. Buying and serving alcohol at underage parties and shelling out cash for their kids' every whim (including and maybe unknowingly hmmmm, heroine) Nobody wants to be associated with crap like this. Westfield is a has been.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: in the know ()
Date: November 23, 2008 03:24PM

this is such bullshit. i've known skylar, alicia, lokesh, all of them since before anyone was doing anything more than smoking a little weed, and reading the washington post article today made me really angry. first of all, it makes skylar sound like a manipulative crack fiend and alicia sound like an innocent little girl. wrong. alicia and skylar had BOTH dabbled in hard drugs before they were even together, and if anything it was alicia who got into it more hardcore first, because she was trying to find a way to deal with the death of her cousin. second, her dad is clearly naive to think that she was not a party girl or that the first time she overdosed was the first time she had ever tried heroin. yeah right. alicia was definitely involved in the party scene. third, skylar LOVED her. the last thing he would EVER want is for her to die. he was just trying to make her happy and give her what she wanted, even if what she wanted was drugs. and if any of you knew the guilt and pain that he has to live with every single day of his life, you would know that is a life sentence in itself. love makes you do crazy things, and when you're young, you feel invincible to everything including drugs, especially when you grown up in an upper-middle class neighborhood all your life and don't see the long-term effects these drugs can have. don't get me wrong, alicia was a sweet and kind girl and i cried like a baby when i found out what happened to her. but she WAS an addict, and if she hadn't died off the dope she got with skylar that night, she would have died off the dope someone else gave her eventually. it's just a sad and horrible coincidence that the dope that killed her was from skylar. i also wonder if the roles were reversed and it was skylar who died off alicia's dope (which is just as likely since they did it together), would the media be portraying alicia as a manipulative dope fiend killer and skylar as an innocent little boy? i hope the feds are smart enough to realize that skylar is a good kid at heart who has already learned his lesson and stopped using the day that alicia died. the feds need to focus more on the root of the problem - on the people who first introduced heroin into the "ring" and the people who kept on dealing and using even after their friends started dying and going to jail.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: November 23, 2008 03:29PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Jester ()
Date: November 23, 2008 03:43PM

Westfields and Oakton are out of control and need to clean up their act.

Remember that two shooters went to Westfields; The VA Tech shooter and Fairfax County cop shooter.

Police raided Westfield lockers last year and found a ton of drugs including heroin.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Why Oakton ()
Date: November 23, 2008 07:03PM

whats wrong with oakton?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: November 23, 2008 09:08PM

cozy Wrote:
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> Rowsdower Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Unfortunately they have killed at least two
> > people.
>
>
> If the two people who died weren't heroin addicts,
> maybe they would be alive. They weren't murdered,
> they chose to do the drug.

According to the Post, the ones arrested actually were "pushers," creating a demand. They preyed on the emotionaly weak, or completely self centered.

If Blacks in Richmond get 20 years for pushing, then 20 years it is for White kids from Centreville.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: horrible parenting leads to this ()
Date: November 23, 2008 10:38PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> cozy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Rowsdower Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Unfortunately they have killed at least two
> > > people.
> >
> >
> > If the two people who died weren't heroin
> addicts,
> > maybe they would be alive. They weren't
> murdered,
> > they chose to do the drug.
>
> According to the Post, the ones arrested actually
> were "pushers," creating a demand. They preyed on
> the emotionaly weak, or completely self centered.
>
>
> If Blacks in Richmond get 20 years for pushing,
> then 20 years it is for White kids from
> Centreville.

and i hope their parents are slaping themselves now and dropping those golf clubs

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: L.Day Westfield Grad 07' ()
Date: November 24, 2008 12:19AM

You go FUCKING DIE, skylar is my friend and he is not a killer. Grow up and get a life because u shouldnt be takin shit u know nothing about!!!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: SL Grad ()
Date: November 24, 2008 05:13AM

Westfield Lovers,

Who's laughing now...bitches

SL Lover

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: If these were your freends... ()
Date: November 24, 2008 07:52PM

To all who have started a post with 'I knew x', 'I was friends with x', etc.

Where was all your concern when they were using? Where was your cell phone to drop a dime and save their lives (literally or figuratively)?

You cannot be serious if you think this was just a few kids getting wild, or that one or the other was more to blame. The ones to blame are those of you who knew this was happening and did NOTHING to stop it. Parents are not mindreaders, and walk a fine line between supervision and intrusion. You who were 'friends' walk no such line. Clearly we share different definitions of 'friend'.

A few other items:

1) It's Westfield not Westfields
2) It's in Chantilly, not Centreville
3) If you would bother to go to class instead of posting here, maybe you could post intelligently w/o using poor grammar and cell phone speak.

Whether it's a small group or a big group, one person's fault or another, the bottom line is that there was illegal activity, they got busted, and will now do their time. And most are no longer kids, they are legally adults and deserve to be treated as such. Any rationalization or justification simply allows them to avoid responsibilty for their choices. And life in Ffx County is nowhere near bad enough for these kids to use it as an excuse.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: oaktonmom ()
Date: November 24, 2008 09:17PM

I absolutely agree with you. Teens ... please think of this next time one of your "friends" is getting high on hard core drugs. There has to be a way to alert an adult in an anonymous manner. What you feel won't be guilt! You'll be able to sleep at night and maybe your "friend" can get some help.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: blah ()
Date: November 25, 2008 12:08AM

To being: I went to highschool with one of the accused, and she was in a bad spot to begin with. I believe it was sophomore year(15 yrs old) when she told me about ODing on Triple Cs the previous night n being taken to the hospital. Come on, learn a god damn lesson.

All these kids wanted was heroin, you know, the drug that Requim For a Dream portrays in such a happy note. Lets find the most hardcore drug, go to shady-as-fuck corners in shitty-cities and buy it off people on the block. Purity varies, who cares. "A line is a line, I'm fucking invincible." And happily they all finally got caught. I feel terrible for the families of those who have passed and those who've been arrested, but I'm glad that they got caught now instead of more deaths.

People saying it wasn't forced down peoples throats and they did it on their own free will, seriously? The first, second maybe third time, yeah. A girl who had ODed on heroin 3 previous times, he gave her MORE. And they said kids from Westfield were bright.

I went to Robinson and we sure as fuck didn't have kids banging H. Poppin mommy and daddys painkillers, sure. Parents you should learn from this. When I got caught smoking weed I got grounded. If I almost died from overdosing, I would have been in therapy, rehab, if not getting a beating. Fuck me, I would have been in a private school.

And the moment Skylar turned 18 and I knew he was the one who had given my daughter heroin, he would have been in the hospital from a severe beating, and never allowed to see my daughter again.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jonnyfairplayisadick ()
Date: November 25, 2008 10:15AM

Does anyone know what the legal schedule is going forward...when the trials will start?

Is there a website that allows you to track the progress of these cases?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: JVance ()
Date: November 25, 2008 10:43AM

jonnyfairplayisadick Wrote:
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> Does anyone know what the legal schedule is going
> forward...when the trials will start?
>
> Is there a website that allows you to track the
> progress of these cases?


This will probably be the best site there is for up to the minute reporting.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: BREAKING NEWS ()
Date: November 25, 2008 03:41PM

Below is the statement to be read by Alicia's mother at the detention hearing of some of those charged.

SOURCE: Washington Post:
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There are not powerful enough words to share our thoughts on the issue of detention for these young people. Simply stated, they should not be released ...

--Each of them had multiple opportunities to make a better choice. Their decisions and associated actions--on numerous occasions--were not made under duress. But rather, they continuously chose-- on their own free will--to involve themselves in situations that were not only illegal but dangerous; and as we all now know, included the ability to hurt others on several occasions ..

--No, this was not an isolated incident we hear about when a young person at a party drinks too much; and then makes a bad decision to drive and subsequently causes harm to others. We are talking about an extended period of time of one bad decision after another, that clearly establishes a track record of wrongful thought and behavior. The facts will ultimately show that for over a year, intentional and willing choices were made that caused irreversible and tragic consequences to many. These people stood-by and watched friends (and I use that term loosely) overdose until death, and yetthey continued their activities. And it wasn't a single tragedy, but rather multiple. We want to be explicitly clear that they willingly chose this course of action on numerous occasions. They acted without fear of the consequences. And I'll suggest that if you listen carefully to our words, this is not opinion, but rather straight-talk--the facts--surrounding this group.

--It is also important that you know we are not vindictive people. We are not here to get on our soap box and want 'someone to pay' for the death of our daughter. The justice system is in place to vet the facts and issues, and there are people with world-class educations and a lifetime of experience to ensure--and ultimately judge--that appropriate action is taken. We trust in that system. Our words today are focused forward, into the immediate future of now, and in a positive vein--because we care deeply about the youth of today and want to see changes on their behalf, and for the good of all society. A generation cannot continue to be consumed in the unspeakable darkness that envelops the world of drugs, and everything bad that goes along with it.

--Therefore, it is our strongest desire that these people remain in detention, for the clear reason of immediately stopping behavior that is negative, harmful, illegal, and has continued to produce incredibly tragic results. This specific group--when off the street and out of our schools--will not be able to hurt anyone else. And while these individuals may not be characterized as violent in the traditional sense--with guns, explosives, etc., we would argue their weapon is even more deadly because it isn't as obvious to us. The clear and present danger posed by someone who walks into a restaurant with a gun will always put people on alert and force an appropriate and immediate response. Heroin and other illegal drugs are killing our youth right in front of us everyday, yet are arguably even more deadly because of their invisible nature. Those who spread its overwhelming destruction do so quietly and go virtually unnoticed, because they operate among us as an apparent non-threatening thread in the fabric of society.

--So, I'll ask the rhetorical question for our collective conscience to answer, what will these people do differently if they are, so quickly, allowed back in our community and, in particular have access to the schools and our young people? We're certain the answer is that nothing will change. Behavior patterns they have consistently displayed for over a year will continue, which will be highlighted by continued illegal activities that put more young people at risk. Even death--more than one--did not change their actions. The only answer to stop this behavior is to break the chain, right now. Keep them in a place where they cannot hurt anymore people. And ironically, in a place where they can have peace from the downward spiraling life they are involved in; frankly, one that the experts say is inescapable. And hopefully one that they can eventually find their life's moral compass, and begin to orient it in the direction of good, rather than evil.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: November 25, 2008 05:00PM

Were any South Lakes alumni involved in this? I had heard all bad in western Fairfax comes from there.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: xxbxx ()
Date: November 25, 2008 05:12PM

does anyone know if they were let out on bail?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: suckaaa ()
Date: November 25, 2008 05:13PM

Nope no one from South Lakes. Go figure!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yes ()
Date: November 25, 2008 09:44PM

skylar has been let out on bail. not sure about the others but i thought most of them have been. when was the detention hearing mentioned above?

ps - weren't skylar and alicia broken up by the time she died? just wondering why the media keeps referring to him as "the boyfriend"

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: sk8ter bOI ()
Date: November 25, 2008 09:53PM

I knew Skyler before he went to Westfields. Him and his bro were always slangin bad drugs and using drugs. Hardcore stuff. Alicia had another boyfriend or two. She was a drug-hoochie. I know this for a fact.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: If these were your freends... ()
Date: November 25, 2008 09:55PM

sk8ter bOI Wrote:
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> I knew Skyler before he went to Westfields. Him
> and his bro were always slangin bad drugs and
> using drugs. Hardcore stuff. Alicia had another
> boyfriend or two. She was a drug-hoochie. I know
> this for a fact.

So why didn't you drop a dime and save their lives?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Statement not a fact ()
Date: November 26, 2008 11:20AM

Do you know it is easier to get heroin in prison then it is on the street!!! Heroin is the drug of choice in prisons across the nation! Some people who go into prison having never used the drug come out junkies! Well not that I feel bad for people in prison or care how they live when they get out but I am just saying! One of these kids might be in heaven going to prison! They'll be giving the butt to Bubba for some smack!!!

Yanno...I do feel sorry for Alicia's parents but I wonder if her mother would be reading that if it were Skyler or one of the other's that died! I am sure her little speech would be all about how perfect her daughter is and that she had nothing to do with any murders. I am sure she would be saying how her daughter deserves a second chance and should not be put in prison! It would be said that those kids were responsible for their own actions.

I got curious and read the article in The Washington Post. In there I believe (if I read it correctly) Alica’s father was quoted saying they both snuck out to go get some stuff but Skyler’s parents caught him and made him go home. Okay so sneaking out is a choice right? Sneaking out to get drugs is a choice right? Saying “NO, I am trying to get clean” is a choice right! Not taking the drugs home with you is a choice right? When someone sneaks out it is not for a good reason! SNEAK=LIES=BAD SITUATION! Hello…a junkie is not your Daddy’s little girl anymore or momma’s boy!

I am sorry but I can't say it is fully the responsibility of young teenagers to make each other better considering they started this mess before they were even legal adults! Why her or any of their parents isn’t at fault in any way for expecting others junkies to help their child get better. It takes a lot to get a person clean and all other users are going to do is enable each other! When she was caught sneaking out why wasn't she searched when she got home??? Why wasn't someone positive with her all the time??? Did she have a sponsor? Did she attend N.A. meeting regularly? Junkies are the most manipulative people in the world and why couldn’t the parents have enough sense to realize that.

I am not saying I have all the answers but what I do know is I have been in this situation and helped a friend get clean off CRACK!!! It was the hardest thing I have ever endured but I couldn’t see my friend live like that. Of course I am much older then these kids and I wasn’t a user of any drugs so it was easier for me then her! If I did use we both would still probably be junkies!!!

And to all the friends and family I didn’t know these kids and don’t know everything and I probably don’t have a right to say anything but that is what these sites are for. Please understand I am not judging anyone. I wish I did know these kids and I wish I could have helped them in some way. It’s not about knowing the kids but knowing about the problems and I do! I know all about having friends and family that are addicted to drugs and I just want to hug them all the time and tell them it is going to be ok but with some people you just can’t. I may not have known them, good or bad, but I still feel sad inside because I know it is not easy either way!

I just don’t think that it is fully the fault of these people that others died however I do think they are all guilty of enabling each other! And I think they are at fault for selling it and that is all they should be charged with!!! And they should be given community service in a Morgue for at least a year’s time!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: November 26, 2008 11:24AM

Well anyway, I've known Skyler for years. He hates people and is generally willing to kill anyone who doesn't give him what he wants. He killed Alicia, and you can bet he was smiling as he did it.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: memememe ()
Date: November 26, 2008 11:31AM

Very sad!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Rama19 ()
Date: November 26, 2008 11:47AM

They should rot in prison like everyone else that has committed similar crimes. And what is with all of this talk about excusing their behavior. They knew what they were getting into, you would have to be a complete moron to have not realized that selling and using narcotics is just a tad bit illegal. Justice should be served and I hope they go to prison for the maximum amount of time possible. Losers that have proven themselves to be a menace to society over and over again do not deserve multiple 'second chances.'

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wondering ()
Date: November 26, 2008 12:10PM

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1108/573088.html

who are the ones being held without bond right now?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 26, 2008 12:16PM

Statement not a fact Wrote:
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> Do you know it is easier to get heroin in prison
> then it is on the street!!! Heroin is the drug of
> choice in prisons across the nation! Some people
> who go into prison having never used the drug come
> out junkies!

That's a popularly floated misconception, something the legalize-everything crowds kicks around to make drug laws appear ineffectual. I was incarcerated in several different institutions and from max to medium to work camp, all drugs were more expensive, although drugs are cheaper in max joints than minimum because people in the minimums already have one foot out the door and much more to lose by being caught using,smuggling.

How could it be possible that a controlled enviroment with less accessibilty and stricter punishment for the people caught smuggling (and less hiding places) has CHEAPER heroin than the free world? If you watch a lot of those MSNBC prison docs, they always get some assholes who exaggerate the hell out of their experience to make themselves look cool. The real convicts aren't into the spotlight and won't go bragging about their shit for a TV camera. The ones who repeat the "cheaper in prison" myth do so just to put in the face of law enforcement.

These Centreville kids will all snitch for substantial sentence reductions. If they go to prison, it won't be for more than 2 years and unless they are particulary weak, they will be OK. They'll get regular piss tests and may be able to get a bag or two here and there, but it's not what you might like to think.

They all need a good ass kicking, a good rehab, a little taste of prison living and a bitch of a parole officer.If they can't figure it out after that, fuck 'em and let them do LIFE on the "installment plan"

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: hhhhhhhhh ()
Date: November 26, 2008 12:49PM

to be honest these kids fucked up.
I know someone them, and they've always been fucked up.
Centerville kids need to be watched, their all fucked up
None of this suprises me at all

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Mrs. Burns ()
Date: November 26, 2008 03:48PM

I think your english is whats f'd up.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Snappy ()
Date: November 27, 2008 04:44PM

I think this is all very sad, very fucked up.

I knew these kids, they are gonna get what they deserve, no doubt about that. I dont care if theyre getting 40 years, or 20, or whatever, or if they burn for it or not, or if skylar gets raped in jail, all that matters is that they're gonna get punished. They all have Alicia's blood on thier hands.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: to wondering ()
Date: November 27, 2008 08:21PM

jr, lokesh, danny, and the supplier from dc are the ones are being held without bail, mostly because they all had previous drug-related charges on their records. jr was also sentenced to 2 years in jail on tuesday, but not sure if he'll get any more time added on to that as the trial progresses

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district lines
Posted by: whs ()
Date: November 28, 2008 02:51AM

WHS is in Chantilly but the only kids that go to WHS that live in Chantilly are the kids that live out by 50

All the rest live in Centreville

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Re: district lines
Posted by: WestfieldDad ()
Date: November 28, 2008 01:14PM

whs Wrote:
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> WHS is in Chantilly but the only kids that go to
> WHS that live in Chantilly are the kids that live
> out by 50
>
> All the rest live in Centreville

Not quite. There's Floris and McNair from Oak Hill.

You must have missed the South Lakes High School redistricting thread...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: oosh ()
Date: December 02, 2008 01:07PM

GO FUCK YOURSELF "guess who bish" and all the others peices of shit that have some bullshit to say. These kids are fucking people with a problem, but still people. and i know for a fact that most of these people are fucking awesome.


FUCK YOU DUMB BITCHES.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yes sir ()
Date: December 02, 2008 03:25PM

OOSH hit it right on the head. fuck all you bitches who dont know shit about this situation. dont talk about shit you dont know shit about and fuck you especially RESton peace and guess who bish.. stupid fucks

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: PAblo Escobar ()
Date: December 02, 2008 03:31PM

What is the situation?

they were selling H, they caught, they will get jail time, next. Why are you making these people out to be Saintly?

The Unabomber in his earlier years was a decent guy, but that dosnt mean he didnt blow shit up.

The people that defend these kids should be locked up for excessive stupidity.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wing nut makes sense ()
Date: December 02, 2008 03:38PM

Wing Nut - your views appear grounded in a hard edged reality.

And to those that want to legalize heroin or other hard core street drugs, query what they would say to the legalization of PCP? Even the most hard core libertarian would have to recognize the danger of a drug like PCP to others and the enormous costs its use imposes on others. Legalization of hard core street drugs is a palatable idea in the abstract that provides little help when dealing with the reality of each of the negatives of these drugs.

I have compassion for the family of the young woman who died. Even good parents can have kids with problems. I am sure they weren't perfect, but they sure didn't want this for their child.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: December 03, 2008 04:04PM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2009 09:18PM by Awakened.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: sk8ter bOI ()
Date: December 03, 2008 05:02PM

Live and let live man. If Skyler and his whore girlfriend want to get high, let them. The FCPD has the situation covered--no need to rat. There is no honor in ratting. So they died. Too bad, but you get what you pay for.

Watch his brother though. He's the one with the DC connect. Then again, the FCPD is all over it...no need to rat man. Live and let live.

If these were your freends... Wrote:
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> sk8ter bOI Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I knew Skyler before he went to Westfields. Him
> > and his bro were always slangin bad drugs and
> > using drugs. Hardcore stuff. Alicia had
> another
> > boyfriend or two. She was a drug-hoochie. I
> know
> > this for a fact.
>
> So why didn't you drop a dime and save their
> lives?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: If these were your freends ()
Date: December 03, 2008 07:55PM

Unbelievable. "no need to rat. There is no honor in ratting". "no need to rat man. Live and let live. "

Kids are dying and lives are being destroyed, but you're worried about 'honor'.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: confucius say ()
Date: December 03, 2008 08:44PM

If these were your freends Wrote:
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> Unbelievable. "no need to rat. There is no honor
> in ratting". "no need to rat man. Live and let
> live. "
>
> Kids are dying and lives are being destroyed, but
> you're worried about 'honor'.


the bench warmer always thinks he can do better

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: pissedoff ()
Date: December 07, 2008 07:14PM

Gather your buddies, lay it on the table, truth or dare...what drugs have you done? What drugs do you have? Where do you get them? Ok,, maybe not that one..having just read the no need to rat comment...But keep going, Why do you use? When did you use last? Anything you haven't tried but want to? Start a conversation, with the people you care about. Put your arms around your people and hug them. Find out what's going on in their life. I just found out my friend is using 2 c i ....and I don't even know what it is! I am pissed off.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 10, 2008 05:41AM

4 of the thugs pled guilty. I'm not sure what happened to "good guy" skylar. The odd thing is they got prosecuted in Federal court, and ended up facing the same judge that 20th hijacker guy had... Zacharias whatchamacallem.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/09/AR2008120902293.html?hpid=topnews



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/2008 05:41AM by RESton Peace.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: December 10, 2008 08:18AM

Very quick pleas, they obviously got deals

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: oosh ()
Date: December 10, 2008 01:05PM

ALRIGHT "pablo" i never said that any of them were "saints". and i am not defending these "kids" ..all i am saying is that dont judge them by just what the media says. take in to consideration that heroin was just a dark part of their life. they are also awesome people not just criminals. and going to prison for 20 years is not a solution.


....and as for "MILF" you fucking idiot. danny nash never pushed any sort of weight. and if you knew the guy perhaps you could talk. but since you know nothing about any of this except for what the media tells you. shut the fuck up and go to hell you peice of shit.

love oosh :)

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Concerned parent ()
Date: December 10, 2008 01:12PM

Back in my day, in Ancient Rome, the only heroine busts were those of the feminae romanae such as Lucretia, Verginia, Cloelia, Tarpeia. So much has changed since then.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yos ()
Date: December 10, 2008 04:04PM

oosh Wrote:
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> ALRIGHT "pablo" i never said that any of them were
> "saints". and i am not defending these "kids"
> ..all i am saying is that dont judge them by just
> what the media says. take in to consideration
> that heroin was just a dark part of their life.
> they are also awesome people not just criminals.
> and going to prison for 20 years is not a
> solution.
>

if "them" = Skylar Schnippel, Lokesh Rawat, etc, then YES JUDGE THEM. They are criminals.

if "them" = all WHS students, then no.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ConernedChantillian ()
Date: December 10, 2008 05:56PM

I feel bad for the kids for getting mixed up in this whole mess but after the death of a close friend this past year DUE to the heroin he was given from these kids, I hope they rot.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Jas ()
Date: December 10, 2008 06:03PM

The war on drugs is a joke, and sending these children anywhere but to treatment is a travesty. Well maybe 6 mos is ok, but 5 yrs. or 20 yrs. cmon

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: you ()
Date: December 10, 2008 08:28PM

Jas Wrote:
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> The war on drugs is a joke, and sending these
> children anywhere but to treatment is a travesty.
> Well maybe 6 mos is ok, but 5 yrs. or 20 yrs. cmon

maybe for common drugs, but Heroin??? i dont think you know exactly what you're talking about if you think 6 months is all that heroin dealers should be punished with.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jay ()
Date: December 12, 2008 12:02PM

i think its funny how all the people that dont know the people who were busted are so critical and judgmental yet all the people who have posted that know the people involved talk about how awesome these people are and that they just got into a bad thing. Just a thought that you all should consider.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jay ()
Date: December 12, 2008 02:39PM

notice how everyone that has posted that does not know the people who are involved are very fast to jump to conclusions and are extremely critical and judgmental, but the everyone who has posted that does know the ones involved all talk about how awesome each one is and how they just got caught up in a bad thing like we all do, just a thought for those who judge without getting to know.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: A Neighbor ()
Date: December 12, 2008 04:02PM

I know a couple of these kids. I know several of the parents. These kids apparently got caught up in some very bad stuff. If they did what is alleged, they deserve punishment. But 20 years + seems extreme.

Some people, at least three I believe, died and that is tragic. But those that died were also culpable in their deaths. I haven't heard that anyone made them try heroin. Or made them take the dose that resulted in their deaths.

I don't know why there is a difference in distributing the drug to "responsible" abusers who don't die and distributing it to someone who overdoses. To me, the crime is the same. And should be punished the same.

To the family and friends of the three people who died- my deepest condolences. My condolences also to the families of these young adults who are charged in this case. It is a tragedy for all involved.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: oosh ()
Date: December 16, 2008 09:34AM

i never said they werent criminals. they obviously are. heroin is a serious.. some of these fools act like skylar,danny,lokesh etc. did this to alicia. they are not responsible for what happened. i love alicia, ive known her since the 4th grade. but she was an addict. and none of these people got her into drugs. in fact alicia got most of them started with heroin in the first place. she liked being high. and she was seriously addicted to dope. no one is responsible for her death except for alicia herself.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: tubby ()
Date: December 16, 2008 06:52PM

jay Wrote:
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> i think its funny how all the people that dont
> know the people who were busted are so critical
> and judgmental yet all the people who have posted
> that know the people involved talk about how
> awesome these people are and that they just got
> into a bad thing. Just a thought that you all
> should consider.


The jury ain't going to know them either....I wish I was on it....these mutherfuckers would never see the light of day.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: BALHALSKGKSL:AFKFSDAOGj ()
Date: December 18, 2008 10:48AM

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I'M BLACK

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jay ()
Date: December 18, 2008 11:54AM

your right the jury wont know them but the jury isnt posting stupid blogs judging these people either. those people are awesome people that were influenced and addicted to a horrible drug, they were unfortunate enough to have their lives taken over by a drug because thats what all drugs eventually do and they will and are getting punished for the illegal acts that they have committed. I never said that they shouldn't be punished i only said that the people who are on this cite judging these people without ever even knowing them need to think twice about what they're saying. These kids are human beings just like the rest of us and i happen to know that most of them are so awesome and caring and nice and funny and much much more, so instead of judging those "motherfuckers" by a bad decision they made in their lives (which we all make many bad decisions) maybe you should get to know a person before you talk badly about who they are as people.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 18, 2008 01:51PM

jay Wrote:
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> so instead of judging
> those "motherfuckers" by a bad decision they made
> in their lives (which we all make many bad
> decisions) maybe you should get to know a person
> before you talk badly about who they are as
> people.

pass.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ernie ()
Date: December 18, 2008 02:20PM

I read it the paper that two of them admitted to selling drugs to minors. They should be hung by their balls. Selling drugs to minors is about as low as you can get.


jay Wrote:
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> your right the jury wont know them but the jury
> isnt posting stupid blogs judging these people
> either. those people are awesome people that were
> influenced and addicted to a horrible drug, they
> were unfortunate enough to have their lives taken
> over by a drug because thats what all drugs
> eventually do and they will and are getting
> punished for the illegal acts that they have
> committed. I never said that they shouldn't be
> punished i only said that the people who are on
> this cite judging these people without ever even
> knowing them need to think twice about what
> they're saying. These kids are human beings just
> like the rest of us and i happen to know that most
> of them are so awesome and caring and nice and
> funny and much much more, so instead of judging
> those "motherfuckers" by a bad decision they made
> in their lives (which we all make many bad
> decisions) maybe you should get to know a person
> before you talk badly about who they are as
> people.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: tubby ()
Date: December 18, 2008 07:23PM

jay Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> your right the jury wont know them but the jury
> isnt posting stupid blogs judging these people
> either. those people are awesome people that were
> influenced and addicted to a horrible drug, they
> were unfortunate enough to have their lives taken
> over by a drug because thats what all drugs
> eventually do and they will and are getting
> punished for the illegal acts that they have
> committed. I never said that they shouldn't be
> punished i only said that the people who are on
> this cite judging these people without ever even
> knowing them need to think twice about what
> they're saying. These kids are human beings just
> like the rest of us and i happen to know that most
> of them are so awesome and caring and nice and
> funny and much much more, so instead of judging
> those "motherfuckers" by a bad decision they made
> in their lives (which we all make many bad
> decisions) maybe you should get to know a person
> before you talk badly about who they are as
> people.


Junkies aren't "awesome", they are the scum of the earth. Dealers are even worse.

Be sure and send your pals some Depends....after a few months in stir with Bubba, their sphincters will be shot.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: December 18, 2008 07:40PM

Geez, in the time since this thread started, I figured all the accused had been convicted, served the sentences and made parole.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: BREAKING NEWS ()
Date: December 19, 2008 11:27AM

3 More Arrested in Alleged Heroin Ring

Three more young Fairfax County residents were arrested yesterday on charges of conspiring to distribute heroin, expanding to 13 the number of people implicated in a ring of heavy drug users and dealers in the Centreville area, according to U.S. District Court records.

Court records show that some of the people who pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges last week are implicating other participants and that some of the six original defendants may be negotiating their own pleas.

Kevin J. Zuiker, 20, Angela M. Aycock, 19, and Andrew W. Kacvinsky, 20, all of Centreville, were arrested on federal warrants charging conspiracy to distribute more than 100 grams of heroin. All three then made their first court appearances and were ordered held in the Alexandria jail without bond until their detention hearings Monday.

Last month, 10 people were arrested -- nine of them 19 or 20 years old and from the Centreville area -- on heroin conspiracy charges. Court records said three young people associated with the ring had died of heroin overdoses.

Last week, Joshua R. Quick and Daniel R. Nash pleaded guilty to an even harsher charge, distributing heroin that resulted in the death of 19-year-old Alicia Lannes. Both face a minimum 20-year prison sentence.


A third man, Skylar M. Schnippel, 20, who was Lannes's boyfriend, is also charged with providing her with the fatal heroin dose. A joint motion filed yesterday by Schnippel and federal prosecutors asked a federal magistrate to extend the 30-day period for indictment of Schnippel, because both sides "wish to have more time to discuss the possibility of resolution of this case prior to indictment."

Schnippel's attorney, Brendan D. Harold, declined to comment. Four of the five remaining defendants -- Jessica Remington, Tayler Gibson, Antonio Harper and Ashleigh Shade -- filed identical extension motions with prosecutors yesterday.

Two other defendants, Lokesh Rawat and David Schreider, pleaded guilty last week to one conspiracy count; another defendant, Anna Richter, has not filed a time-extension motion.

An affidavit unsealed in federal court said that Zuiker, Aycock and Kacvinsky had been selling heroin to members of the ring. Richter allegedly told investigators that Zuiker had provided her with extra heroin and other drugs to sell at her college. Zuiker also was arrested in May with 1,300 Xanax pills in his pocket, the affidavit states, and he also allegedly sold the painkiller OxyContin to an informant.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/18/AR2008121803815.html

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 19, 2008 01:02PM

15-to-life for all! And no lube.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 19, 2008 01:04PM

"3 More Arrested in Alleged Heroin Ring"

because the people they found distributing heroin wasnt proof enough.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: magmaswank ()
Date: December 19, 2008 01:15PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: joeee ()
Date: December 19, 2008 01:21PM

"3 More Arrested in Heroin Ring"

kacvinsky has been clean since before alicia died.
zuiker has been clean since shortly after she died.
theyve never got any charges with heroin when they were addicted a year ago.
so theyre not gonna go to poundyouintheass prison for taking some narks word for it.
so fuck off and leave them alone, they fucked up a long time ago and have been out of this mess for 10 months

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Yees Yees ()
Date: December 19, 2008 01:33PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> 15-to-life for all! And no lube.


ya , only tears and loogies




joeee Wrote:
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> "3 More Arrested in Heroin Ring"
>
> kacvinsky has been clean since before alicia
> died.
> zuiker has been clean since shortly after she
> died.
> theyve never got any charges with heroin when they
> were addicted a year ago.
> so theyre not gonna go to poundyouintheass prison
> for taking some narks word for it.
> so fuck off and leave them alone, they fucked up a
> long time ago and have been out of this mess for
> 10 months


i think you should take the witness stand. you sound very trustworthy
/end sarcasm

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: magmaswank ()
Date: December 19, 2008 03:36PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: z ()
Date: December 19, 2008 03:49PM

I see in April he had an unlicensed dog...why do you ask?


"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","020"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","12/16/2005","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","01/07/2008","DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR PROFANE "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS CONTROLLED DRUG FEL "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS MARIJUANA "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS PARAPH SYRINGE/NEEDLES "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","05/23/2008","FAIL KEEP PROPER CONTROL "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","11/05/2008","NO DRIVERS LICENSE "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","11/05/2008","OPERATE UNLICENSED VEHICLE (EXP) "
"STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","M","059"," 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON ","VA","04/08/2008","UNLICENSED DOG "

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: magmaswank ()
Date: December 19, 2008 05:48PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Mag ()
Date: December 19, 2008 09:20PM

magmaswank Wrote:
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> z Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I see in April he had an unlicensed dog...why
> do
> > you ask?
> >
> >
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","020","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","12/16/2005","FAIL OBEY HWY SIGN
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","01/07/2008","DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR PROFANE
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS CONTROLLED DRUG FEL
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS MARIJUANA
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","01/07/2008","POSS PARAPH SYRINGE/NEEDLES
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","05/23/2008","FAIL KEEP PROPER CONTROL
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","11/05/2008","NO DRIVERS LICENSE
>
> > "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","C","023","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","11/05/2008","OPERATE UNLICENSED VEHICLE
> > (EXP) "
> > "STAZZONE ","JOSEPH ","M","059","
> > 13607","FARMBELL ","CT","HERNDON
> > ","VA","04/08/2008","UNLICENSED DOG
>
> > "
>
>
> That was his father. I already know all of that
> stuff. I'm under the impression that he is somehow
> connected to these kids who were busted in this
> Heroin bust.

Are you stupid or are you stupid?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: magmaswank ()
Date: December 19, 2008 09:36PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: question ()
Date: December 20, 2008 01:08AM

does anyone know where you can get court transcripts? i'm friends with some of these guys and obviously can't sit in on the hearings but would really like to know what is said, who testifies, etc.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: obvious guy ()
Date: December 20, 2008 11:38AM

question Wrote:
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> does anyone know where you can get court
> transcripts? i'm friends with some of these guys
> and obviously can't sit in on the hearings but
> would really like to know what is said, who
> testifies, etc.


lmao
you wanna see if you get ratted out eh?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Georgie ()
Date: December 20, 2008 02:54PM

obvious guy Wrote:
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> question Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > does anyone know where you can get court
> > transcripts? i'm friends with some of these
> guys
> > and obviously can't sit in on the hearings but
> > would really like to know what is said, who
> > testifies, etc.
>
>
> lmao
> you wanna see if you get ratted out eh?

hee, hee, hee...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: question ()
Date: December 21, 2008 05:15PM

not necessarily, i assume most of the "ratting out" will be done pre-trial. it would be interesting to know how to see the court transcripts though, if anyone knows how to do that

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: FairfucksUnderground ()
Date: December 21, 2008 05:51PM

question Wrote:
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> not necessarily, i assume most of the "ratting
> out" will be done pre-trial. it would be
> interesting to know how to see the court
> transcripts though, if anyone knows how to do that

Dont try reasoning with them or explaining yourself. It doesn't work.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: DuhDuh ()
Date: December 21, 2008 11:23PM

They should all be taken outside and shot...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: December 21, 2008 11:34PM


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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: JoJo ()
Date: December 23, 2008 09:42AM

"anyone know who the unnamed person is?"


If anyone hasn't answered this for you already - Antonio Harper. He was the group's source in DC when Alicia died.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: JoJo ()
Date: December 23, 2008 10:32AM

Royale W/Cheese Wrote:
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> I love the way some are blaming "da media" for
> blowing this way out of proportion. The press
> didn't make this up. They got it straight from the
> police, the FBI, and court records. Let's face it
> -- we're talking about heroin. It's a little
> different than kids getting busted for smoking
> dubies in the mall parking lot.



Actually, the media DID blow some of the information out of proportion. In one article in the Washington Post it claims that Antonio Harper (Tony) was arrested with "one bag of heroin in one pocket, and sixteen bags of crack in the other pocket." I was there with Tony when he was arrested, he was a friend of mine and I had no idea he had those drugs on him. When I read the article I was in shock, but because I was at Tony's house when it was raided - I was also questioned and have been a few times since the raid. I was never arrested, because I had done nothing wrong. But, when I spoke with the FBI agents (because I was served a subpoena) I asked them if what the article had said was true .. and guess what guys -

THEY TOLD ME "NO, Tony did NOT have those drugs on him, nor were the drugs in his house. They did not know why the article had stated that."



I thought people were smarter to believe everything they see and hear, even in the media. We have the right to our freedom of speech. Just because someone says it, it does NOT mean it is true.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: JoJo ()
Date: December 23, 2008 11:01AM

Lynette Johnson Wrote:
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> in response to
> She used to date Skylar and I've been told that he
> was the one that found her dead.
>
> he did not find her dead,but he sure did kill her,
> he was with her that night got called home sent
> her home with the drugs. When he could not get
> ahold of her sent someone over. Something about
> looking in a window. The parents get woken up at 5
> with the police and paramedics at the door. They
> have no idea what is going on. The paramedics tell
> them they go looking for her can't find her
> anywhere, they somehow she is hidden in her room
> and the next thing those poor parents know and see
> is the dead body of their daughter.
>
> This was a poor nieve girl that got mixed up with
> the wrong guy. Those parents did everything they
> could. But when you kids turn 19 you can't turn
> your back you can only be there and help and try
> to keep the bad kids away. unfortunately, the few
> times this poor girl used (not bought) she OD's
> once and dies the next. That is beyond traggic and
> Skylar should rot in jail.
>
> Lets just hope he does not get out on bail to do
> this to another unsuspecting person.




Obviously you do not know the whole story and what is true and what is not. Alicia did not only use "the few times" and "OD's once and dies the next." - The girl was an addict. She did not only use a FEW TIMES. She was addicted & did it very much. The news articles have made it seem like every time she did it she would OD, but that is not the case at all..

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 23, 2008 11:14AM

jojo is a good drug dealer name, I trust this guy is probably "inside" the case.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: joeee ()
Date: December 23, 2008 01:23PM

alicia was doing heroin and every other drug before skylar. and alicia TOOK the heroin from skylar so his mom wouldnt find it, he did not GIVE it to her and let her die.. obviously or he wouldnt have sent someone to check on her and call the house phone. get ur shit straight and alicia wasnt innocent at all, if she was still alive, no doubt she would be in this heroin ring too. she got the chance to stop and didnt want too, she killed HERSELF. and dont say she was a fucking poor nieve girl that got caught up with the wrong guy, i knew both of them b4 they started dating and alicia did hard-core drugs and skylar didnt. they were just bad news TOGETHER. not just SKYLAR was bad news. just because someone dies doesnt mean they were the best and most innocent person that lived.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: also ()
Date: December 23, 2008 01:49PM

just to add to that -- court records state and i can attest to the fact that alicia herself was BUYING (not just using) heroin from jr multiple times a week and sometimes every day in the months before she died. i knew alicia and i liked her very much, but to tag her as an innocent victim and skylar as a killer of all things is way out of line

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 23, 2008 01:52PM

it's pretty easy to make accusations about a dead person. they can't offer rebuttal.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: joeee ()
Date: December 23, 2008 01:56PM

> unfortunately, the few
> times this poor girl used (not bought) she OD's
> once and dies the next. That is beyond traggic and
> Skylar should rot in jail.

---------------

how dumb are you? honestly if you had a kid and they overdosed 4 times are you really going to believe thats the only four times they did it? your gonna be one dumbass parent that everyone including your kid is going to laugh at. JR even said in the newspaper alicia was buying from him everyday to everyother day. but oh no shes so innocent, poor thing, she injected heroin into herself hundreds of times and killed herself? shes completely guilty. so how about you stop saying shit you know nothing about.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Chip Clip on my Lip ()
Date: December 23, 2008 03:01PM

joeee - Do us all a favor and please stop caring so much, mmkay? Thanks.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: not joeee ()
Date: December 23, 2008 03:16PM

if your friends were on trial with the possibility of life in prison and complete strangers were making incorrect statements and judgements about them you would care too. not trying to justify what they did, just trying to set the record straight.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Chuck Norris' Fists are named Law and Order ()
Date: December 23, 2008 03:34PM

This is a blog. Anything that you read or post is for entertainment purposes only and cannot be used against you in a a court of your peers.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: cicatriz ()
Date: December 24, 2008 12:40AM

joeee Wrote:
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> alicia was doing heroin and every other drug
> before skylar. and alicia TOOK the heroin from
> skylar so his mom wouldnt find it, he did not GIVE
> it to her and let her die.. obviously or he
> wouldnt have sent someone to check on her and call
> the house phone. get ur shit straight and alicia
> wasnt innocent at all, if she was still alive, no
> doubt she would be in this heroin ring too. she
> got the chance to stop and didnt want too, she
> killed HERSELF. and dont say she was a fucking
> poor nieve girl that got caught up with the wrong
> guy, i knew both of them b4 they started dating
> and alicia did hard-core drugs and skylar didnt.
> they were just bad news TOGETHER. not just SKYLAR
> was bad news. just because someone dies doesnt
> mean they were the best and most innocent person
> that lived.


Why do you know so much dude?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 24, 2008 12:47AM

cicatriz Wrote:

>
> Why do you know so much dude?


Like all the other infotrolls, this person will never answer your very valid question. He would rather offer his "facts" and have you just blindly accept them, and is actually as much in the know as anyone else who reads the paper. But he knows if he is forced to tell "how he knows", people will know it's just third-hand speculation, and he will have no more netcred. Netcred is everything to anonymous trolls.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 24, 2008 05:03AM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> it's pretty easy to make accusations about a dead
> person. they can't offer rebuttal.

yeah, isnt it great? :)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Necro ()
Date: December 24, 2008 01:45PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> it's pretty easy to make accusations about a dead
> person. they can't offer rebuttal.


I prefer to sleep with them

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: December 24, 2008 05:13PM

cicatriz Wrote:
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> Why do you know so much dude?


IVEEEEEEE DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFECTTEDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Parent ()
Date: December 24, 2008 11:01PM

As a parent of a drug addict, I would like to remind everyone out there that drug addiction is a disease. I am not condoning what they did, but trying to stop is not as easy as just walking away. Trying to live drug free after using heroin is not easy. The cravings will be with them for the rest of their lives. So sending these kids to prison for 20 years is not the answer. They need rehab, at least a year to learn the tools to be able to resist the urges; they need time for their bodies and brains to heal. And they need to learn that there are consequences for their actions. Having these kids (and I do mean kids) living in a prison for 20 years is a recipe for career criminals. Is that really what society needs? These kids need help.

And I too feel for the parents of these kids. But what I have learned is that until they decide they need help, there is little a parent can do except provide those opportunities to get help.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Quit coddling these young adults ()
Date: December 24, 2008 11:49PM

Parent Wrote:
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> As a parent of a drug addict, I would like to
> remind everyone out there that drug addiction is a
> disease. I am not condoning what they did, but
> trying to stop is not as easy as just walking
> away. Trying to live drug free after using heroin
> is not easy. The cravings will be with them for
> the rest of their lives. So sending these kids to
> prison for 20 years is not the answer. They need
> rehab, at least a year to learn the tools to be
> able to resist the urges; they need time for their
> bodies and brains to heal. And they need to learn
> that there are consequences for their actions.
> Having these kids (and I do mean kids) living in a
> prison for 20 years is a recipe for career
> criminals. Is that really what society needs?
> These kids need help.
>
> And I too feel for the parents of these kids. But
> what I have learned is that until they decide they
> need help, there is little a parent can do except
> provide those opportunities to get help.


A stint in prison should give them

"at least a year to learn the tools to be able to resist the urges";

and

"time for their bodies and brains to heal"

not to mention

that they can there "learn that there are consequences for their actions"

I am sorry that these kids ended up where they did, but prison time sounds like an appropriate measure to afford them what you contend that they need.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: December 25, 2008 12:33AM

I agree, rehab is great for the druggies who haven't moved on to endangering others' lives.. these kids are dangerous and "just" rehab will send the wrong message all around.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Parent ()
Date: December 25, 2008 03:10AM

Sorry. I didn't mean to imply only rehab. Yes, they need punishment time, however, I still contend that 20 years + is too long. And combine the prison time with rehab. Make the time really count by giving them the tools to help themselves and avoid the cycle of the career criminal. If they do that, then society won't have to support them and pay for their crimes continually.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: oosh ()
Date: December 30, 2008 10:32AM

>Make the time really count by giving them the tools to help themselves and avoid >the cycle of the career criminal. If they do that, then society won't have to >support them and pay for their crimes continually.


i couldnt agree more.

prison for 20 or more is NOT the right solution.
drug addiction is a sickness. being addicted to something like heroin is truly a horrible disease.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: shitonyou ()
Date: December 31, 2008 07:31PM

This kids are all pieces of shit who in my family would be disowned and never spoken to again. 20 Years in prison... seems like they have all the time in the world to get off these drugs...BEHIND BARS. Remember.. they did this to themselves. Its a great lesson of greed and kharma. Now they can go to prison and have there buttholes torned up. :D Happy new yEar!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: shitonyou ()
Date: December 31, 2008 07:33PM

And i am a recovering addict who went to rehab. And i still have no sympathy for them. Leave it to the ghetto to hustle hard drugs and keep it out of my neighborhood plz. Thanx.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: December 31, 2008 10:55PM

shitonyou Wrote:
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> And i am a recovering addict who went to rehab.
> And i still have no sympathy for them. Leave it
> to the ghetto to hustle hard drugs and keep it out
> of my neighborhood plz. Thanx.

Amen bro.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 01, 2009 11:22AM

shitonyou Wrote:
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> This kids are all pieces of shit who in my family
> would be disowned and never spoken to again. 20
> Years in prison... seems like they have all the
> time in the world to get off these drugs...BEHIND
> BARS. Remember.. they did this to themselves. Its
> a great lesson of greed and kharma. Now they can
> go to prison and have there buttholes torned up.
> :D Happy new yEar!


file.php?2,file=3411
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Shocked ()
Date: January 01, 2009 11:33PM

I can't believe how many people out there are angels. I mean, wow, no one has ever made a mistake! Or if they did, they never got caught so it is easy to judge someone else. You are a bunch of hypocrites.

Just remember, what goes around comes around. These kids are facing their punishment now and I know some of them are committed to turning their lives around. Some of you will have to face the judgment from a much higher authority and guess what, no parole.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: January 02, 2009 04:19AM

Shocked Wrote:
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> Just remember, what goes around comes around.
> These kids are facing their punishment now and I
> know some of them are committed to turning their
> lives around. Some of you will have to face the
> judgment from a much higher authority and guess
> what, no parole.

karma = fiction


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: OMG ()
Date: January 03, 2009 09:14AM

Wow, there are a lot of know it alls and experts out there. To re-iterate, don't always believe what you read, especially in the liberal rag.
I'm sure from a parent's perspective they are ALL doing what the can or know how to help their children, everyone lives, recovers, etc in their own way. Some may not "bounce" as easily. I can't believe that any parent wants to see their child hurt themselves, and for you recovering drug addicts, stop and think, this could have been you too, you just got lucky. No one means to hurt themselves or others when they first start, it just comes with the territory the further you go.
And yes if a crime took place there should be a reasonable consequence that fits. Perpetual dealers, are much different than a drug abuser. The tables could very well be turned and Alicia would be facing the same charges. How would the parents, and you all feel then?
One last thought, check your history and maybe you will find that drug abuse is deeper in "her" family too.....there is always two sides to every story don't forget......

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: LuckyMom ()
Date: January 04, 2009 10:14AM

Wow,,surprised to see this thread is still hanging in there.

The heroin problem is bigger than you think.

There are 4 Dr.'s in the United States that work with the Naltrexone implant. The closest one is in Richmond, VA. His name is Dr. Peter Coleman. The implant is composed of chemicals that will block opiates. It's surgically implanted just under the skin, and dissolves over time. Yes,,I know those of you ready to pounce on me, with comments that it sounds like gastric bypass,,,and if an addict needs a fix...they can overdose,,,,yes, they can. So far, the statistics on this procedure,,,,have a 100% success rate, for relapse on heroin. It takes the cravings away, and withdrawal symptoms,,and blocks any future use. The addict still needs the programs, therapy, and support. They still need to address the underlying issues that led to abuse. We've just finished one whole year without heroin. I can honestly tell you, it was well worth the effort to track down this Dr., and travel down to Richmond. Without it, I would not have my daughter today.

It amazes me that so many of these posts are made by people who have no true idea of what heroin addiction really is.

The Naltrexone Implant, google it.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wondering ()
Date: January 08, 2009 11:19PM

i've heard a few different rumors going around but wanted to see if anyone here knows what the latest is with this?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Latest rumors ()
Date: January 08, 2009 11:45PM

wondering Wrote:
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> i've heard a few different rumors going around but
> wanted to see if anyone here knows what the latest
> is with this?

Anyone who knows the latest is really just going to be posting more rumors so as long as you've heard those why don't you post them? Isn't that what web forums are all about?

I hope when they make the movie they do it kinda like this thread, where the narrative changes based on the perspective of whos telling the story. Kinda like the Kurosawa flick, Rashomon.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: January 09, 2009 01:29AM

Rashomon is an all-time great film, even mentioning it on this dirty forum tarnishes it.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: hope4thebest ()
Date: January 11, 2009 09:34PM

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Lannes,
I am truly sorry about the loss of your dear daughter, she looks so young and beautiful and full of hope for the future.
Thank you for the lives you have saved, possibly my son's, by working with the FBI to halt this illegal and deadly activity in our community.
I pray for you and your family, your daughter was very lucky to have such loving parents.
A caring and thankful parent....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: really?? ()
Date: January 13, 2009 09:17PM

Sorry if this is late...I just wonder how many more links will come out of this!!! Wowww

http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/fourth_death_linked_to_va._heroin_ring/27807/

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: I knew them ()
Date: February 05, 2009 05:55PM

i knew these kids. I went to school with them. I hung out at their houses. I worked with one of them. They are not all bad. Some of these kids can and will grow up to be somebody.

20 years to life is not the answer.

The people who died also knew the risks they were taking when they took the drugs. Not to take away from their lives at all. I knew one of the victims too. She was sweet, kind, beautiful, smart, and an amazing young woman. Someone the world will miss.

But that is no reason to ruin the lives of over 10 more young adults. We need to make changes to peoples lives, not just throw people in jail and pat law enforcement on the back. It is up to us. Friends, family, everyone can help in some way to prevent these things. But ultimately they have to make the decision. So stop judging them and help them.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Obvious ()
Date: February 05, 2009 06:01PM

Yea and these fucks who messed around with heroin knew the trouble they were getting into too. So they deserve to be behind bars for a long time

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Naltrexone ()
Date: February 05, 2009 09:39PM

LuckyMom Wrote:

> The Naltrexone Implant, google it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naltrexone

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: more ()
Date: February 06, 2009 10:48AM

2 more bite the dust...

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0209/592445.html

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Heavy discipline ()
Date: February 06, 2009 11:01AM

more Wrote:
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> 2 more bite the dust...
>
> http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0209/592445.html


In the immortal words of a No Limit/TRU soldier, "Forty muthafuckin' years!".

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: February 06, 2009 11:32AM

I'm sure they knew that buying and selling Heroin is illegal and you can go to jail.

(Personally I think all drugs should be legal. If people want to waste away their lifes doing draino to get high let them. Half of NoVa residents are on some type of prescribed happy pills\anti-depressents anyway. Doctors in FFX county hand out the stuff like office candy. Most NoVa residents wake up in the morning and slug down coffee to get caffine in their system so they are ready for work...)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2009 11:33AM by Lurker..

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: February 06, 2009 11:34AM

..says Lurker, who was apparently "prescribed" hard liquor for his "ailments".

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: in defense ()
Date: February 06, 2009 02:17PM

Coffee has been "slugged down" in the morning for centuries my friend!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Tokem ()
Date: February 06, 2009 02:28PM

in defense Wrote:
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> Coffee has been "slugged down" in the morning for
> centuries my friend!

So has opium, snuff, etc... and was very socially acceptable.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: for the record ()
Date: February 10, 2009 12:10AM

shitonyou, thank you for being ignorant. lest we forget, drugs are quite possibly even easier to obtain in jail than on the street. throwing these people in jail isn't going to stop their drug use, if that's the solution you're aiming towards. it isn't going to prevent anyone who isn't incarcerated from doing drugs on the street, and while it may be a godsend for some of these kids to be locked up and safe from the streets, for others it will very easily make them worse. they all certainly will get what the deserve and have to take responsibility for their choices in life, but never has it been true to say that throwing people in prison because they made poor choices will solve the problem and let us forget what we face each day. all of the problems and crime and drug use that goes on in daily life will continue, the only thing that will be absent is these young peoples' presence. so, thank god you can now sleep easy knowing that sending these kids to jail ISN'T going to solve the world's problems, fairfax county's problems, or the problems that youth have found themselves thrown into today. good work.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: February 10, 2009 12:14AM

Tokem Wrote:
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> in defense Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Coffee has been "slugged down" in the morning
> for
> > centuries my friend!
>
> So has opium, snuff, etc... and was very socially
> acceptable.


Snuff is pulverized tobacco, as far as I know.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: the latest ()
Date: February 16, 2009 02:31PM

New Indictment in Heroin Case

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/13/AR2009021303423.html

schnippel in even more trouble now...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wondering ()
Date: February 17, 2009 11:15AM

the latest Wrote:
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> New Indictment in Heroin Case
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2009/02/13/AR2009021303423.html
>
> schnippel in even more trouble now...

These news stories all report that 4 people have died from ODing on heroin but we only know who two of them are, presumably pretty white girls. So who are the other two? Just a couple of random smack-shootin dudes who aren't newsworthy because they wouldn't get as much public sympathy as pretty white girls do?

OTOH, maybe their families don't want their kid's name in news.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: done and done ()
Date: February 17, 2009 01:11PM

wowww skylar has definitely screwed himself 2x over now. but he is an idiot for calling and texting that kid to ask him to lie for him...doesn't he know that if he's under a federal investigation the feds are tapping his phone? also his poor parents/family...they are nice ppl. duncan parker is the 3rd death that no one really talks about -- he died in september. then i know jon grymkoski died of a heroin overdose but that was back in 2006 so i'm not sure that he's included in the 4 ppl they are talking about.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: missing the old days ()
Date: February 17, 2009 03:31PM

I've been in C'ville for over thirty years and am apalled at how my beloved town has turned into the armpit of NOVA. Manassas is definately the other armpit. The wannabe Trailer Park Posse that thinks it is the shit is so ridiculous. Thanks for turning a nice town into a laughable joke. Back in the days of NTC and CVC this would have been squashed quick.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: THE TRUTH ()
Date: February 17, 2009 06:23PM

To all:

Don't believe everything that you hear or read from the news. Everything has its own biased opinions. No one will know the truth about anything. Even when a court date is reached and the trial is over and done; there still will be things that we don't know and rumors and lies will still be out there.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Neighbor ()
Date: February 27, 2009 11:47PM

Latest info based on reports in press provided below. The first four guilty pleas to be reported in 2/28/09 Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701705.html

Deaths attributed to "ring" (media claims at least 4, but only 3 have been named):

Lannes Alicia 19 Centreville, VA Overdose Death 3/5/08
Parker Duncan 21 Overdose Sep-08
Somers Carmen 20 Falls Curch, VA Overdose 9/7/08
???? ??? ??? Overdose Death ???

"Ring" arrests & court status (media now reporting 15 arrests, only 14 named):

Schnippel Skylar 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Indicted 2/13/09 Trial Date: May-09
Quick Joshua 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 12/9/08 19 year sentence on 2/27/09
Schreider David 20 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 12/9/08 63 month sentence on 2/27/09
Nash Daniel 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 12/9/08 20 year sentence on 2/27/09
Gibson Tayler 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 1/21/09 Sentence Date: 3/27/09
Rawat Lokesh 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 12/9/08 46 month sentence on 2/27/09
Richter Anna 20 Centreville, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 1/12/09 Sentence Date: 3/27/09
Zuiker Kevin 20 Centreville, VA Arrested 12/18/08 Guilty Plea 2/5/09 Sentence Date: 4/17/09
Aycock Angela 19 Centreville, VA Arrested 12/18/08 Guilty Plea 2/6/09 Sentence Date: 4/24/09
Kacvinsky Andrew 20 Centreville, VA Arrested 12/18/08 Indicted 2/13/09 Trial Date: ???
Remington Jessica 19 Fairfax, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 2/5/09 Sentence Date: 4/17/09
Shade Ashleigh 19 Fairfax, VA Arrested 11/18/08 Guilty Plea 1/12/09 Sentence Date: 3/27/09
Harper Antonio 33 Washington, DC Arrested 11/18/08 Indicted 2/13/09 Trial Date: ???
Greenlee Matthew 23 Fairfax, VA Arrested 1/12/09 Guilty Plea 2/6/09 Sentence Date: 4/17/09
??? ??? ?? ???? Arrested Feb-09

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Margie ()
Date: February 28, 2009 07:53AM

Joshua "JR" Quick, 21, was sentenced to 19 years in prison, and Daniel Nash, 19, was sentenced to 20 years. Both men pled guilty to charges connected to the heroin overdose death of Alicia Lannes, who was dating another member of the drug ring.

David Schreider, 20, got a sentence of 63 months. Lokesh Rawat, 19, was sentenced to a term of 46 months.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/virginia/022709_stiff_sentences_in_va_heroin_ring

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dono ()
Date: February 28, 2009 07:57AM

Damn that is some hard time - their lives are done.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Walter Sobchak ()
Date: February 28, 2009 03:07PM

Good! Over-privileged little pieces of shit with more money than brains. Their wealthy parents can't get them out of this one. Good fucking riddance. Enjoy prison you rich fucks!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: va ()
Date: February 28, 2009 03:49PM

Wow, dude you obviously know nothing about these people or their cases. however, your childish comments are amusing. i wish the same fate of these people on your kids and then some.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Walter Sobchak ()
Date: February 28, 2009 05:24PM

Wow, dude you obviously know nothing about these people or their cases. however, your childish comments are amusing. i wish the same fate of these people on your kids and then some.


My kids don't sell heroin you fatuous ass!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: March 01, 2009 07:54AM

I was a little surprised at the length of some of the sentences, the 19 and 29 years. I didn't follow the timing of the case but my guess is there still hasn't been a Rule 35 hearing yet for some of these folks, which is where the proscecutor and defense ask for a "downward departure" of the sentence for the cooperation (snitching/testifying) of the defendants. There seems to be a couple of the indicted who are going to trial, it will be interesting to read up on who shows up to testify. A rule of thumb is that the snitches are first to plead guilty and the last to be sentenced, but sometimes the judges have to lay down the sentence first and then reduce it post cooperation. The white collar guys who snitch get to stay out and defer sentencing for years sometimes.

You have to do 85% of your time in the feds at least and if you can do the residential drug program, they'll shave another year off. The 20 year guy is going to do about 16 and a half with that scenario, the 63 month will do just over 3 before halfway house, the 46 month guy will probably barely have enough time in to get in shape.

It's a tragic waste of lives, time and brain cells. It was sad to see the photo of the girl who died in the Post yesterday.

If you can't so no to drugs, at least say no to this shit,you f-ing morons.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Oops ()
Date: March 01, 2009 08:29AM

I thought this thread was about superhero females who's rings were broken.

Boy was I mistaken...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dick Head ()
Date: March 01, 2009 10:21AM

girl who died in the Post yesterday.

The Post has really got to do something about all these girls dying in it!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: JR's Cellmate ()
Date: March 01, 2009 10:31AM

This post proudly brought to you by the Fairfax County Police

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: watchinyou ()
Date: March 02, 2009 05:32PM

Walter Sobchak Wrote:
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> Wow, dude you obviously know nothing about these
> people or their cases. however, your childish
> comments are amusing. i wish the same fate of
> these people on your kids and then some.
>
>
> My kids don't sell heroin you fatuous ass!

I think everyone knows plenty about these individuals. They committed numerous crimes in Fairfax and other jurisdictions and since they were released or given light sentences by the very liberal court system in Fairfax county, they felt like they could continue their criminal beavior without consequence. Well the Feds made them believe otherwise. Unfortunately their circle of loser friends will probably pick up where they left off since they are no smarter. Most folks are glad to have these scabs of society locked upwhere they cant hurt anyone else for awhile. Who cares what happens to them in prison, they had. every oppurtunity that living in suburbia could offer,they just choose to take what they thought was an easy path. Karma will kick your butt every time.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Help them ()
Date: March 02, 2009 08:47PM

These children are victims of the evil drugs, and should be treated with kid gloves.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: the set up ()
Date: March 03, 2009 10:54PM

sky should've listened to "obie trice - the set up" before he hung out with l. day...damn...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: HebrewHammer ()
Date: March 06, 2009 12:59PM

in defense Wrote:
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> Coffee has been "slugged down" in the morning for
> centuries my friend!


Yea, it has been, but I don't recall anyone sucking a dick for a cup of coffee. There's not a person in the US who doesn't know the affects of shooting heroin. Let em rot

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MrT ()
Date: March 19, 2009 07:18PM

Well, it certainly looks like Skylar is getting part of what deserves. He will get the rest in prison for sure. I will be in court the day he is sentenced. If his parents had a half of a brain between the 2 of them they might be dangerous, but we don't have to worry about that or he would not have been dumb enough to be out on bond a pull the stunt he pulled and got busted! See you on your big day "Sky". May Alicia Rest In Peace & Skylar Rot In Pieces...Look for me on your sentencing day, I will be the one with the yellow ribbon!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ;lkjahdshfas ()
Date: March 19, 2009 07:33PM

done and done Wrote:
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> wowww skylar has definitely screwed himself 2x
> over now. but he is an idiot for calling and
> texting that kid to ask him to lie for
> him...doesn't he know that if he's under a federal
> investigation the feds are tapping his phone? also
> his poor parents/family...they are nice ppl.
> duncan parker is the 3rd death that no one really
> talks about -- he died in september. then i know
> jon grymkoski died of a heroin overdose but that
> was back in 2006 so i'm not sure that he's
> included in the 4 ppl they are talking about.


jon died in chicago, hes not included in this case at all.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dope ()
Date: March 19, 2009 07:40PM

MrT Wrote:
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> Well, it certainly looks like Skylar is getting
> part of what deserves. He will get the rest in
> prison for sure. I will be in court the day he is
> sentenced. If his parents had a half of a brain
> between the 2 of them they might be dangerous, but
> we don't have to worry about that or he would not
> have been dumb enough to be out on bond a pull the
> stunt he pulled and got busted! See you on your
> big day "Sky". May Alicia Rest In Peace & Skylar
> Rot In Pieces...Look for me on your sentencing
> day, I will be the one with the yellow ribbon!


i dont see why you're so mad at Skylar. its Alicia's own fault she died. she was doing her own heroin by herself in the middle of the night and od'd. that pretty much makes hit her own damn fault. give the kids rehab and a year. 20 years is just wasting my tax money filling up overcrowded penitentiaries.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: THE TRUTH ()
Date: March 19, 2009 10:55PM

MrT what makes you think that Skylar is guilty? Why is it all his parents faults and not Alicia's? Alicia overdosed multiple times why didn't they do more? And why are you attacking his parents as well? Clearly you were a rejected child growing up and school must not have been a big thing for you because you are the dumbest idiot writing on this blog. No one knows the truth about anything. Skylar knows Alicia better than her own parents. We will see on the court date about everything. And you know what the news; sure as hell does not know what the hell is going on either.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: March 20, 2009 01:07AM

dope Wrote:
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> i dont see why you're so mad at Skylar. its
> Alicia's own fault she died. she was doing her own
> heroin by herself in the middle of the night and
> od'd. that pretty much makes hit her own damn
> fault. give the kids rehab and a year. 20 years
> is just wasting my tax money filling up
> overcrowded penitentiaries.

i agree that it was her own fault. if it wasnt this skylar guy who sold it, it would have been someone else. however, this is how they view the issue of Alicia being at fault for anything:

file.php?2,file=4819
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: HateMyHOA ()
Date: March 27, 2009 03:30PM

Just saw in the Centreview that another Westfield HS kid plead guilty to selling heroin.... This is 13 out of 15.....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Bubba in my cell ()
Date: March 27, 2009 05:51PM

Schniple better prepare for the worst , they are going to make him a poster child about why not to deal heroin , Smartie pants should have talked, he will be going down, ,,,in court and in jail....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 12 angry men ()
Date: March 27, 2009 06:09PM

I watched a drug trial at the federal courthaouse a few years ago, they do not have the time nor give a shit to hear how sorry you are ,or what a great person your attorney claims you are ...they hand out serious time and dont care how long you rot in jail, they are very serious about handing out long sentences, and as far as witness tampering, well I would take a whole bunch of toothpaste and soft toilet paper if it was me;....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNUt ()
Date: March 27, 2009 07:13PM

12 angry men Wrote:
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> I watched a drug trial at the federal courthaouse
> a few years ago, they do not have the time nor
> give a shit to hear how sorry you are ,or what a
> great person your attorney claims you are ...they
> hand out serious time and dont care how long you
> rot in jail, they are very serious about handing
> out long sentences, and as far as witness
> tampering, well I would take a whole bunch of
> toothpaste and soft toilet paper if it was me;....

It's irrelevant how "sorry" the defendant is. If you are convicted of a federal drug crime, you are sentenced by a set of guidelines and the judge cannot depart from the sentencing guidelines without a recommendatio form the prosecution for "substantial assistance"ie snitching.

The guidelines are based on weight/amount of drugs and some mitigating factors like use or possession of a firearm or the role the def played in the crime. I forget what it is for heroin but it basically amounts to over 100kgs of weed/ 5 grams of crack/ 500 grams of powder coke will get you a five-year mandatory minimum sentence, no ifs, ands or buts.The jury has absolutely zero say in sentencing on the federal level.

These kids screwed up royally, though I think 20 yr terms are overkill. If they don't learn anything in 5 or 10, they're not going to in 20 and in their situation they probably have a low chance of recidivism. As much as I dislike snitching, I wouldn't be surprised or really blame these kids oif they went that route. A little weed slinging among friends is one thing but, but heroin dealers are just taking advantage of the sick and are usually sick themselves.

As Itchy and Scratchy said- "Kids: Say no to drugs!"

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: omar ()
Date: March 27, 2009 08:07PM

WingNUt Wrote:
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> 12 angry men Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I watched a drug trial at the federal
> courthaouse
> > a few years ago, they do not have the time nor
> > give a shit to hear how sorry you are ,or what
> a
> > great person your attorney claims you are
> ...they
> > hand out serious time and dont care how long
> you
> > rot in jail, they are very serious about
> handing
> > out long sentences, and as far as witness
> > tampering, well I would take a whole bunch of
> > toothpaste and soft toilet paper if it was
> me;....
>
> It's irrelevant how "sorry" the defendant is. If
> you are convicted of a federal drug crime, you are
> sentenced by a set of guidelines and the judge
> cannot depart from the sentencing guidelines
> without a recommendatio form the prosecution for
> "substantial assistance"ie snitching.
>
> The guidelines are based on weight/amount of drugs
> and some mitigating factors like use or possession
> of a firearm or the role the def played in the
> crime. I forget what it is for heroin but it
> basically amounts to over 100kgs of weed/ 5 grams
> of crack/ 500 grams of powder coke will get you a
> five-year mandatory minimum sentence, no ifs, ands
> or buts.The jury has absolutely zero say in
> sentencing on the federal level.
>
> These kids screwed up royally, though I think 20
> yr terms are overkill. If they don't learn
> anything in 5 or 10, they're not going to in 20
> and in their situation they probably have a low
> chance of recidivism. As much as I dislike
> snitching, I wouldn't be surprised or really blame
> these kids oif they went that route. A little weed
> slinging among friends is one thing but, but
> heroin dealers are just taking advantage of the
> sick and are usually sick themselves.
>
> As Itchy and Scratchy said- "Kids: Say no to
> drugs!"

You seem well informed and educated (or been a defendant) Your position about snitching is a little disconcerting, I wonder what would happened if someone had snitched to the FBI on Sept 10, 2001???

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: March 27, 2009 10:58PM

omar Wrote:
>
> You seem well informed and educated (or been a
> defendant) Your position about snitching is a
> little disconcerting, I wonder what would happened
> if someone had snitched to the FBI on Sept 10,
> 2001???

Snitching (to me) is turning witness for crimes you were involved in or profiting from yourself to save your own skin, especially if there has been no self realization that the crime you committed was wrong. Snitching is the cowardly calling of cops on neighbors when you're too scared to knock on that door yourself or to settle a personal grievance.

It's a different context from 9/10. If anyone could have prevented that with a phone call, it would hardly qualify as snitching.If Mossouai had tipped off authorities because he'd had a change of heart- that would not be snitching. If Mossouai had tipped off the police in exchange for freedom, but still supported or applauded the action of the terrorists, he would be a snitch.

The "Stop Snitchin" thing in the inner city is abused. If you are an innocent bystander and witness a shooting, it's not snitching to share that information.
If these kids do cooperate, I don't think they have much to be ashamed of, as long as 1) they put the drug game behind them and 2) are seriously contrite about what they have been involved in.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Shower bay romance ahead ()
Date: March 29, 2009 09:05AM

I see a couple of your points but not the other, anyway a couple facts prevail with dealers and heavy users, their lives are all about lies, to family, friends and themselves, they have no ,guilt remorse, or sense of wrong doing, they are completely self centered and consumed with self gratification. If you think for a second they will put any of this behind them and are contrite about anything you are not living reality, Two of the key players in this were popped several times before the feds became involved. Do you really think the FBI really has the time or desire to chase around some high school punks? They had to because the liberal ass courts in Fairfax kept turning them loose and the only way to stop it before more people died is to impose some mandatory sentencing guidelines of the feds. I would guaratee that when they get out , they will be a little wiser and not conduct their business so recklessly. Personally I hope they meet their maker in prison for the lives they have ruined. They were, and wil be continue to be pieces of shit. To get back to the point, snitching is the least of their undesirable traits, so no honor in snitching is a joke, they just lost the respect of the loser doper crowd...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Everett Seamans ()
Date: March 29, 2009 11:11AM

I have often thought that Centreville is a demonically possessed area of UNfairfax County. All my experiences with this part of town have been beyond awful. But that's just my personal experience... So unfortunately I was not shocked to hear this tragic news.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: looking for the truth ()
Date: April 02, 2009 11:23PM

I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THIS PERSON THAT WROTE THIS IS TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH ABOUT THESE PEOPLE UNLESS OF COURSE THAT THEY WERE IN THE GROUP AND WITNESS ALL OF THE THINGS PERSONALLY THAT SHE SLAMMED THEM FOR UNLESS OF COURSE YOU HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPE VINE IN OTHER WORDS THEY ARE REPEATING LIES THOSE WHO LIE ARE ADDICTED TO GOSSIP YOU ONLY ARE TRYING TO HURT THESE PEOPLE MORE THAN SOME OF THEIR BAD DECISIONS HAVE HURT THEMSELVES YOU SHOULD BE PRAYING FOR THEIR CURE AND WISH THAT THEY CAN SOME DAY LIVE A PRODUCTIVE LIFE NOT TO MENTION THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SLAMMED THAT WERE NOT INVOLVED YOU SHOULD HAVE SIGNED YOU NAME HOLY THAN THOU! THERE BY THE GRACE OF GOD GO YOU AND ALL OF THE PARENTS THAT HAVE DISGRACED THESE CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS SHAME ON YOU ALL

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: April 04, 2009 04:19AM

I was at one of those boring professional wine and cheese parties about a week ago and a ran into a couple of acquaintances who are head of their companies HR departments. One works for a beltway bandit tech firm while the other works for a large engineering firm that does a lot of contracting work for the Pentagon.

I gave them a hypothetical situation. "Lets say you had a female job applicant who just graduated from JMU at the top of her class. She has intern experience in PeopleSoft, Oracle, C++, etc., (whatever). If you were hiring, would she get the job or at least get an interview?

They thought for a moment and said "ya, sure."

I then added "Okay, in addition to graduating at the top of her class at JMU, she also went to high school here in Fairfax County...at Westfield. Would she still get the interview?"

They both shook their heads and said no. The IT HR person said, "she wouldn't even make it past the first cut, let alone get the interview." The engineering HR person stated the same thing. Neither company would hire someone who graduated from Westfield irrespective of their accomplishments after high school.
Per the engineering HR person, "you just don't know and we prefer not to take the risk."

Those kids didn't just ruin their own lives. They fucked every single person who graduated from Westfield in the recent past to the present. No one I know around here would be willing to hire someone with Westfield High School on their resume. It's unfair, but that's how things operate in the real world.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: DG ()
Date: April 04, 2009 06:37AM

VAViking,

That's total bullshit.

3000 kids go to Westfield, you idiot.

Everyone at your party was surely hosed, including you.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: readingtoo ()
Date: April 04, 2009 07:27AM

DG Wrote:
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> VAViking,
>
> That's total bullshit.
>
> 3000 kids go to Westfield, you idiot.
>
> Everyone at your party was surely hosed, including
> you.


I agreed. A few rotten apples caused some splashy news. But, I wouldn't hold it against any future employees of mine. Westfield may be a big school with some few problems, but still a very, very good school.

Chantilly is in the news lately because of gang initiation, as well as Franklin Middle, so does it mean that I shouldn't send my kid there? Get real!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: April 04, 2009 04:15PM

I wish it was total bullshit DG. I really, really wish it was complete and total bullshit, but its not.

Perception is everything. Reputation is everything.

When my generation graduated from Fairfax County Public Schools back in the early 1980's, we had the pick of Virginia colleges and universities. They fought over us. Students from Fairfax were considered the best in the Commonwealth. If there was competition for a slot at a university (UVA for example) between a student from Fairfax and students from Richmond or Norfolk, the Fairfax kid won every time. Back then, a kid from Oakton could have a 3.2 GPA, made 1250 on his SATs and still could have walked into Tech, Madison or UVA.

No longer. Our reputation is for shit. Now a kid has to have a GPA of 4.0 or better, made over 1500 on their SATs and be a member of a boat load of clubs before a Virginia college or university even looks at them.

Yes, I know there are a variety of factors explaining the shift. There have been several stories in the Post about it. But, one thing they didn't talk about is the fact our reputation has gone right into the toilet. Fairfax students are no longer considered the best and the brightest. Check out how many Fairfax graduates (as a percentage) attend UVA today compared to say 1985 or 1990. The figures are suggestive.

And then you have the employers. They read the newspapers too. They check out what's posted on Myspace, Facebook and even in the Fairfax Underground. Yes, Westfield has about 3,000 kids in it. Yes, most of them are good kids who aren't in gangs and don't do drugs. It doesn't matter. Reputation is everything.

Yes, some employers won't care and wouldn't discriminate against a Westfield graduate, but a lot of them will. Therein lies the problem. There are going to be a lot of good kids from Fairfax County in general and Westfield in particular who won't get into the college they want or get a job interview because of where they are from.

Per the engineering HR guy, "you just don't know and we prefer not to take the risk."

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ihateyou ()
Date: April 04, 2009 04:40PM

its entirely jack dale's fault

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: April 04, 2009 05:15PM

One other thing...

Readingtoo wrote:

>Chantilly is in the news lately because of gang initiation, as well as Franklin Middle, so does it mean that I shouldn't send my kid there? Get real!

A friend of mine has a son who goes to Westfield. She is currently trying to get him transferred to Robinson.

Another friend of mine has a daughter who was a freshman over at Hayfield back in 2007. After the gang incident there on March of 2007, they sold their home and moved so she could go to Lake Braddock.

If it were my kid, I would not want them to go to Chantilly, not with SUR-13 floating around out there. They are in the same league as MS-13, the Ghost Town Crips and the Satan Disciples. According to the LA Times, they are involved in forced prostitution, drug dealing, gun running and God knows what else.

It's your kid, your choice. The thing is, that is probably the same attitude that the parents of Skylar Schnippel, Anna Richter and the rest of the Westfield Heroin ring had as well.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WHS GRAD 06 ()
Date: April 05, 2009 12:56AM

VAViking Wrote:
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> I was at one of those boring professional wine and
> cheese parties about a week ago and a ran into a
> couple of acquaintances who are head of their
> companies HR departments. One works for a beltway
> bandit tech firm while the other works for a large
> engineering firm that does a lot of contracting
> work for the Pentagon.
>
> I gave them a hypothetical situation. "Lets say
> you had a female job applicant who just graduated
> from JMU at the top of her class. She has intern
> experience in PeopleSoft, Oracle, C++, etc.,
> (whatever). If you were hiring, would she get the
> job or at least get an interview?
>
> They thought for a moment and said "ya, sure."
>
> I then added "Okay, in addition to graduating at
> the top of her class at JMU, she also went to high
> school here in Fairfax County...at Westfield.
> Would she still get the interview?"
>
> They both shook their heads and said no. The IT
> HR person said, "she wouldn't even make it past
> the first cut, let alone get the interview." The
> engineering HR person stated the same thing.
> Neither company would hire someone who graduated
> from Westfield irrespective of their
> accomplishments after high school.
> Per the engineering HR person, "you just don't
> know and we prefer not to take the risk."
>
> Those kids didn't just ruin their own lives. They
> fucked every single person who graduated from
> Westfield in the recent past to the present. No
> one I know around here would be willing to hire
> someone with Westfield High School on their
> resume. It's unfair, but that's how things
> operate in the real world.


I've gotten jobs with 2 different companies in NOVA since I've graduated. The first was right after I graduated from Westfield and before everything at VT happened. The second was after both VT and the heroin ring bust. Honestly, if you are in college or have graduated from college, chances are you've had some sort of job and there is nothing that says that you need to put what high school you went to on your resume. In fact, I've been specifically told not to put my high school by multiple people who hire employees and this is not because they knew I went to Westfield. I am currently at a university in another state and no one here knows the reputation Westfield has or anything about Westfield for that matter.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: April 07, 2009 12:59AM

You are entirely correct WHS Grad 06, in part.

Most people, including myself, don't put their high school on their resume. But, let's say you send in your resume to a company HERE IN NOVA and they like you. More than likely they will email you a detailed employment application for you to fill out, one that requires you to fill out where you went to high school and in some instances (most government contractors for example) where you went to grade school (getting a security clearance is a bitch).

And there goes your interview, at least here in NOVA.

You are entirely correct on the out-of-state part and that's the point. They don't know and probably don't care, but that is not the case here in Virginia and specifically in NOVA. For the immediate future, Westfield grads are going to have a hell of a time getting jobs here in NOVA. They are going to have to go out of state to pursue their careers, all because of the actions of a bunch of complete dumb asses.

Fairfax grads in general are having a harder time of it BECAUSE the county is getting a bad reputation - drugs, gangs, etc. We are becoming known as party/gangbanger central - a bunch of spoiled, self-centered, rich, drug addled brats who don't know how to work, spell or even write properly. It's total bullshit, but this is what I'm hearing from HR people all over the place.

Perception is everything. Reputation is everything. Once it's gone, it's gone.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WHS Class of 2009 ()
Date: April 07, 2009 10:54AM

Give me a break, VAViking!! Westfield has had some notorious publicity in its short history, but it also has had some pretty stellar alumni in it's first ten years! The school was the largest in the state (not sure if that is still true with redistricting) and it's 2009 class is one of the school's biggest and finest. If you look at what was going on with "problem" grads from Westfield, many just couldn't cope with their personal situation after graduation and this caused them to chose to "drop out" with drugs and others to retaliate against society. The Westfield area is a pressure cooker for success and these kids grew up with 9/11, DC snipers and school shootings before some decided to emulate the press they'd grown up with and make their own mark. Sad that you and your HR friends choose to feature only the notorious in your cocktail conversation about our school and community.

Next time you decide to drink and hypothesize about WHS grads, here's some new considerations. WHS has graduated some of the top athletes in college (and even pro) sports. This requires talent as well as discipline and focus to excel at a school where good athletes routinely sit on the bench (good career traits for potential corporate super stars). WHS was perpetually been ranked by Newsweek Magazine for the breadth and quality of its AP program (this is why we chose to send our son to his local school instead of off to TJ, Robinson or private). The school has had more than its share of Academic All Americans as well as athletic All Americans (I wouldn't pass on a nationally recognized top performer if given the chance to hire). The WHS music program perpetually receives top honors for band, orchestra, and choral programs (these kids understand role playing and how to put together a wonderous performance by working together).

My son is a proud member of the WHS class of 2009 and was recognized as one of 43 National Merit Scholar qualifiers in this year's graduating class (there are only 50,000 nationwide)! He was recruited by hundreds of colleges nationwide and received personal inquiries from the Air Force Academy, Ohio State, University of Miami, Hampden Sydney, George Mason, Michigan State, and Harvard (yes, even Harvard sent him and several of his friends an application and waived the fee if they would just apply). My son only applied to his top two school preferences: Virginia Tech and Penn State and was accepted by both with invitations to join their Honors program.

He chose to join the Hokie nation and will have plenty of company from other WHS Class of 2009 students. I would be lying if we weren't worried that Westfield kids might not be welcome after the Cho shootings in 2007, but I can assure you that the VT community (and many other college admissions offices) may pause at the reference to Westfield, but then move on to look at the person and the quality of their accomplishments. I can also assure you that these future Hokies are determined to do WHS and VT proud, They are leaving a pressure-filled community of bulldogs to follow a neighbor to the same school that he made infamous by victimizing two former WHS schoolmates (and many others) just 2 years earlier. Unlike the dismay and disdain that WHS kids face together at sporting events and public gatherings, at VT these kids will need to stand alone and remain proud of their history when they answer that freshman question: "What school are you from?"

Drinking games between HR recruiters aside, there are those that always choose to dwell on the negative and sensational. They will ignore that the majority of kids coming out of Westfield are strong and committed contributors to their community. They can't see that these kids choose to hold their head up while walking through gauntlets of reporters and detractors and they just get their academics and athletics done, They have been tested and berated while suffering their own unimaginable losses at the hands of peers and they still persevere while being proud of their school and accomplishments. My son has always had the choice to go somewhere else and he consistently chooses to be a Bulldog and never hesitates to tell people what school he attends!

It is refreshing to know that college admission offices are not using irrational assumptions or general inferences to evaluate Westfield kids, but looking at the person and their accomplishments. Perhaps your HR friends should discuss their hiring practices and what it could competitively cost them to summarily dismiss a Westfield graduate next time you get together for drinks. It would be nice to know which companies you represent so that we could just not bother to apply....

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Posted by: Another Bulldog mom ()
Date: April 07, 2009 01:41PM

I see I am NOT alone....I couldn't have said it better!!

Each school has its ups and downs....Langley a few years ago, with drugs and alcohol; South Lakes with gang activity; Herndon with gang activity; now Chantilly....give us a break and stop making negative comments at HR parties. I agreed with this mom....VAViking: give us the name of "YOUR" companies so we won't ever bother applying there. People "love" gossip, and everybody has an opinion about everything....that doesn't mean they are experts, plezzz!

I would NEVER look for another school....Westfield and its principal rock! To those parents that panick everytime they hear something negative about the school their kids attend: get real! We as parents cannot shield our kids from the elements of society and life in general, but we can raise them right and hope for the best. There will always bad influences and bad crowds no matter where you go....it is up to the individual to make the right choice.

Again.....Westfield is a great school, and I am looking forward to my daughter attending it next year! No transferring to any other school, even if given a chance.

WHS Class of 2011 and 2013!


WHS Class of 2009 Wrote:
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> Give me a break, VAViking!! Westfield has had
> some notorious publicity in its short history, but
> it also has had some pretty stellar alumni in it's
> first ten years! The school was the largest in
> the state (not sure if that is still true with
> redistricting) and it's 2009 class is one of the
> school's biggest and finest. If you look at what
> was going on with "problem" grads from Westfield,
> many just couldn't cope with their personal
> situation after graduation and this caused them to
> chose to "drop out" with drugs and others to
> retaliate against society. The Westfield area is
> a pressure cooker for success and these kids grew
> up with 9/11, DC snipers and school shootings
> before some decided to emulate the press they'd
> grown up with and make their own mark. Sad that
> you and your HR friends choose to feature only the
> notorious in your cocktail conversation about our
> school and community.
>
> Next time you decide to drink and hypothesize
> about WHS grads, here's some new considerations.
> WHS has graduated some of the top athletes in
> college (and even pro) sports. This requires
> talent as well as discipline and focus to excel at
> a school where good athletes routinely sit on the
> bench (good career traits for potential corporate
> super stars). WHS was perpetually been ranked by
> Newsweek Magazine for the breadth and quality of
> its AP program (this is why we chose to send our
> son to his local school instead of off to TJ,
> Robinson or private). The school has had more
> than its share of Academic All Americans as well
> as athletic All Americans (I wouldn't pass on a
> nationally recognized top performer if given the
> chance to hire). The WHS music program
> perpetually receives top honors for band,
> orchestra, and choral programs (these kids
> understand role playing and how to put together a
> wonderous performance by working together).
>
> My son is a proud member of the WHS class of 2009
> and was recognized as one of 43 National Merit
> Scholar qualifiers in this year's graduating class
> (there are only 50,000 nationwide)! He was
> recruited by hundreds of colleges nationwide and
> received personal inquiries from the Air Force
> Academy, Ohio State, University of Miami, Hampden
> Sydney, George Mason, Michigan State, and Harvard
> (yes, even Harvard sent him and several of his
> friends an application and waived the fee if they
> would just apply). My son only applied to his top
> two school preferences: Virginia Tech and Penn
> State and was accepted by both with invitations to
> join their Honors program.
>
> He chose to join the Hokie nation and will have
> plenty of company from other WHS Class of 2009
> students. I would be lying if we weren't worried
> that Westfield kids might not be welcome after the
> Cho shootings in 2007, but I can assure you that
> the VT community (and many other college
> admissions offices) may pause at the reference to
> Westfield, but then move on to look at the person
> and the quality of their accomplishments. I can
> also assure you that these future Hokies are
> determined to do WHS and VT proud, They are
> leaving a pressure-filled community of bulldogs to
> follow a neighbor to the same school that he made
> infamous by victimizing two former WHS schoolmates
> (and many others) just 2 years earlier. Unlike the
> dismay and disdain that WHS kids face together at
> sporting events and public gatherings, at VT these
> kids will need to stand alone and remain proud of
> their history when they answer that freshman
> question: "What school are you from?"
>
> Drinking games between HR recruiters aside, there
> are those that always choose to dwell on the
> negative and sensational. They will ignore that
> the majority of kids coming out of Westfield are
> strong and committed contributors to their
> community. They can't see that these kids choose
> to hold their head up while walking through
> gauntlets of reporters and detractors and they
> just get their academics and athletics done, They
> have been tested and berated while suffering their
> own unimaginable losses at the hands of peers and
> they still persevere while being proud of their
> school and accomplishments. My son has always had
> the choice to go somewhere else and he
> consistently chooses to be a Bulldog and never
> hesitates to tell people what school he attends!
>
> It is refreshing to know that college admission
> offices are not using irrational assumptions or
> general inferences to evaluate Westfield kids, but
> looking at the person and their accomplishments.
> Perhaps your HR friends should discuss their
> hiring practices and what it could competitively
> cost them to summarily dismiss a Westfield
> graduate next time you get together for drinks.
> It would be nice to know which companies you
> represent so that we could just not bother to
> apply....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ernie ()
Date: April 07, 2009 01:57PM

I happen to be a technical recruiter. This is complete horse shit. I did a little research. Of the last 20 people I hired, 3 were Westfield Grads who were also Va Tech grads. I cannot imagine an HR person making this assumption. This is a complete lie!!!

What a troll.


VAViking Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I was at one of those boring professional wine and
> cheese parties about a week ago and a ran into a
> couple of acquaintances who are head of their
> companies HR departments. One works for a beltway
> bandit tech firm while the other works for a large
> engineering firm that does a lot of contracting
> work for the Pentagon.
>
> I gave them a hypothetical situation. "Lets say
> you had a female job applicant who just graduated
> from JMU at the top of her class. She has intern
> experience in PeopleSoft, Oracle, C++, etc.,
> (whatever). If you were hiring, would she get the
> job or at least get an interview?
>
> They thought for a moment and said "ya, sure."
>
> I then added "Okay, in addition to graduating at
> the top of her class at JMU, she also went to high
> school here in Fairfax County...at Westfield.
> Would she still get the interview?"
>
> They both shook their heads and said no. The IT
> HR person said, "she wouldn't even make it past
> the first cut, let alone get the interview." The
> engineering HR person stated the same thing.
> Neither company would hire someone who graduated
> from Westfield irrespective of their
> accomplishments after high school.
> Per the engineering HR person, "you just don't
> know and we prefer not to take the risk."
>
> Those kids didn't just ruin their own lives. They
> fucked every single person who graduated from
> Westfield in the recent past to the present. No
> one I know around here would be willing to hire
> someone with Westfield High School on their
> resume. It's unfair, but that's how things
> operate in the real world.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 07, 2009 04:07PM

LOL, I agree, ernie... I have been staffing projects and tasks for govt. clients for more than a dozen years.. probably have interviewed 200+ people over that timeframe, and can never once remember taking a person's freekin' high school into consideration. That's completely absurd and methinks VAViking is making some kind of joke(?). If this person was top of their class at JMU and did an internship at PeopleSoft, and you're focusing on her *high school* background, you have no business being a hiring manager. That's a preposterous notion, lol

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Curious79 ()
Date: April 07, 2009 09:25PM

What sentences did Anna, Tayler and Ashleigh get on MArch 27

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: April 08, 2009 01:45AM

Geez, stirred up another hornets nest.

Okay, lets talk about HR people for second and Meeper, if you have been staffing projects this should sound familiar.

After I graduated from college, I worked for a large bank down in Atlanta. After a couple of years I moved up into a supervisory position. We had three accountant position open up and I was in charge of the interviews. I was given twelve resumes to look at and surprise, all of them graduated from the University of Georgia. Turns out, the new head HR guy was a graduate of that school and only passed along resumes from his Alma Mater.

Fast forward a couple of years and I'm in Richmond working for VDOT. Again, I was in a supervisory position and in charge of filling an Accountant Senior position. There are always three people on the interview panel for state jobs at that level. One guy we interviewed had a great resume and nailed the interview, but didn't get the job. The reason, his shoes weren't shined properly. I am not kidding, the other two on the interview panel would not hire the guy because his shoes weren't shined.

Fast forward another few years and I'm in working in Charlotte for an insurance company. Again, I an in a supervisory position in charge of filling a couple of slots, one of which was for a graphic designer. HR hands me six resumes which really suck, mainly because they are all out of state and we would have to pay relocation costs (which would have blown up my budget). By this time, I don't trust HR for shit, so I ask for the reject pile. I find eight great resumes and they are all local. One was perfect. The individual had lived in Charlotte his entire life and graduated from UNC. I walked over to HR and asked why this resume hadn't been included in the original pile.

Sniveling HR person: "He wouldn't be the right fit for our company."
Me: "What the hell do you mean by that?"
Sniveling HR person: (in a very snotty tone) "Look, you're not from around here. That high school he's from..."

"Not the right fit." Ever here that one Meeper? Erine? For those who haven't, it's HR code for "we don't like that person's skin color, or school, or sex," etc., etc. In all those positions you staffed, did you review every single resume or were you handed them by HR? You may not have cared what freaking high school some person attended and I sure as shit didn't, but that HR person did. Sorry Ernie, I'm not a troll. Your company may not give a shit, but a lot out there do. I've seen it with my own eyes time and again.

That's how a lot of HR works, both in and out of government. And it is also how a lot of colleges and universities work as well. HR fucks you with a stroke of the pen and you'll never be able to prove it. They discriminate against blacks, hispanics, Jews, Catholics, fat people, smokers, women, people over forty, etc. all under the phrase "not the right fit." I could tell you stories about UVA. I've got friends who work there and you wouldn't believe some of the stories I've heard.

Of course, if your kid is a star athlete, that's another matter. They get a free pass. Star athletes have always gotten a free pass.

So sorry Another Bulldog Mom and WHS class of 2009, if your kid isn't a star athlete, they're screwed. Fairfax grads in general and Westfield grads in particular are going to have a tough time of it getting jobs and placements at schools they want to go to. Fairfax schools are getting a terrible reputation, Westfield and a few others in particular.

I'm not the only who's pointed out this situation on this thread. So go ahead and flame or call me a troll, it doesn't matter. This is what I've been hearing from a lot of people. Perception matters. Reputation is everything. Once it's gone, it's gone.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: April 08, 2009 02:17AM

One other thing...

When I worked for the Commonwealth of Virginia, most job openings were all ready "filled" before they were advertised. We used to rewrite job descriptions to match the qualifications of the people we wanted in the positions. That was SOP across the state.

Form what I heard back then, Dominion Resources and Philip Morris did the same thing.

I worked at temp job for a company in Nashville once where I heard that no person from Belmont University was ever hired. The head of HR called that University "Lesbian U" in my presence. Scuttlebutt in the office said that the head of HR had applied to that school and had been turned down so she had been zapping grads from Belmont ever since.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 08, 2009 06:30AM

VAViking Wrote:
>>>> "Not the right fit." Ever here that one Meeper?


I'm no fan of HR, but I have never, ever, been given the impression that they've discriminated against a minority, let alone someone's high school! I have to document every non-hire decision, and if I listed "good candidate, but do not trust his high school", I'm sure the veep of HR would probably call me wondering if I've lost my mind. Frankly, I could care less what college someone attended, and get annoyed when someone tries to emphasize their "impressive" academic background during interviews. Sure, ivy league education is an accomplishment, but there's a reason they call this the real world. Worrying about someone's high school is just absurd, and if I ever got that kinda feedback from a recruiter, they would no longer be working with me.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: April 08, 2009 10:04AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I'm no fan of HR, but I have never, ever, been
> given the impression that they've discriminated
> against a minority, let alone someone's high
> school! I have to document every non-hire
> decision, and if I listed "good candidate, but do
> not trust his high school", I'm sure the veep of
> HR would probably call me wondering if I've lost
> my mind. Frankly, I could care less what college
> someone attended, and get annoyed when someone
> tries to emphasize their "impressive" academic
> background during interviews. Sure, ivy league
> education is an accomplishment, but there's a
> reason they call this the real world. Worrying
> about someone's high school is just absurd, and if
> I ever got that kinda feedback from a recruiter,
> they would no longer be working with me.

I assume you're documenting the no-hire decisions you make after their resume's reached your desk and you've interviewed them.

This 'HR screening' VAViking says allegedly goes on (I suspect it does, though no where near as often as he claims) would occur completely unknown to you. I also suspect these biases may end up canceling each other out.

OTOH, I have heard many times that jobs are written up for someone specific. Case in point, back in 2000, there was a job advertisement for someone who had a TS clearance, experience with NetExpert (COTS network management system), and C++. I had the first two, and had studied C++ in school. But, the client said (via the recruiter) they wanted someone with work experience in C++. I suspect they had someone in mind, or maybe the pool of people with all three was bigger than I thought at the time.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ernie ()
Date: April 08, 2009 10:33AM

I am no fan of HR either and I have worked in HR for almost 19 years. In all the staffing meetings and one one ones with Hiring Managers have I ever heard someone say that they did not want to hire or interview someone because of the High School they attended. Lots of reasons to disqualify someone, but never because of the High School they attended.


TheMeeper Wrote:
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> VAViking Wrote:
> >>>> "Not the right fit." Ever here that one
> Meeper?
>
>
> I'm no fan of HR, but I have never, ever, been
> given the impression that they've discriminated
> against a minority, let alone someone's high
> school! I have to document every non-hire
> decision, and if I listed "good candidate, but do
> not trust his high school", I'm sure the veep of
> HR would probably call me wondering if I've lost
> my mind. Frankly, I could care less what college
> someone attended, and get annoyed when someone
> tries to emphasize their "impressive" academic
> background during interviews. Sure, ivy league
> education is an accomplishment, but there's a
> reason they call this the real world. Worrying
> about someone's high school is just absurd, and if
> I ever got that kinda feedback from a recruiter,
> they would no longer be working with me.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 08, 2009 10:35AM

formerhick76 Wrote:
>>> I assume you're documenting the no-hire decisions you make after their resume's reached your desk and you've interviewed them

Yeah, it's done post-interview, and needs to be legit (I can't just make up some biased reason like 'went to Westfield HS').

I don't doubt that there are a few idiot recruiters out there who would pass on a resume based on high school credentials. But it's far from being the norm, and kids going to Westfield shouldn't sit here worrying that they're careers will be jeopardized because of where they went to school when they were 16. In fact, alot of times recruiters are pushy with candidates who barely meet the minimums requirements-- especially when they are busy trying to fill numerous jobs and don't want to spend any more time than they have to searching for my "ideal" candidate. That is far more often the case- open positions means no hours being billed meaning less money being made, meaning fill those positions ASAP! "Who cares if they're not perfect, just get someone in there and make it work" is more often the attitude.

And yes, it's common to write and advertise job descriptions for candidates you already know you will hire. That happens quite frequently on govt. contracts.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 10:37AM by TheMeeper.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Prada Denim ()
Date: April 08, 2009 10:56AM

TheMeeper wrote:

"And yes, it's common to write and advertise job descriptions for candidates you already know you will hire. That happens quite frequently on govt. contracts."



This happens quite a lot with the civil service. If you go on USAJOBs website, a good number of the positions are unofficially reserved for specific people, but by law, the hiring organizations have to post the position on-line.

Sometimes they will post ridiculous standards for positions, such as a Ph.D for a GS-7 job, or thirty years experience for a GS-12 position. This is just so no one will apply for the job already set aside for somebody.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ernie ()
Date: April 08, 2009 11:11AM

The below statement would be correct. Also, I am sure I have been referred to as an idiot recruiter a time or two. But come on Mr. Hiring Manager, just make a decision why don't you!!!!


TheMeeper Wrote:
>
> I don't doubt that there are a few idiot
> recruiters out there who would pass on a resume
> based on high school credentials. But it's far
> from being the norm, and kids going to Westfield
> shouldn't sit here worrying that they're careers
> will be jeopardized because of where they went to
> school when they were 16. In fact, alot of times
> recruiters are pushy with candidates who barely
> meet the minimums requirements-- especially when
> they are busy trying to fill numerous jobs and
> don't want to spend any more time than they have
> to searching for my "ideal" candidate. That is
> far more often the case- open positions means no
> hours being billed meaning less money being made,
> meaning fill those positions ASAP! "Who cares if
> they're not perfect, just get someone in there and
> make it work" is more often the attitude.
>
> And yes, it's common to write and advertise job
> descriptions for candidates you already know you
> will hire. That happens quite frequently on govt.
> contracts.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 08, 2009 11:56AM

ernie Wrote:
>>> just make a decision why don't you!!!!

LOL

That's when I come up with an excuse about how it's the client's fault that things are moving so slowly on a decision.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: in the know ()
Date: April 08, 2009 12:49PM

anna and tayler's sentencings got pushed to may 29, and ashleigh's sentencing got moved to today


Curious79 Wrote:
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> What sentences did Anna, Tayler and Ashleigh get
> on MArch 27

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: update ()
Date: April 08, 2009 04:24PM

Washington Post reporting another new guilty plea yesterday. This one is not for dealing, but for lying to a grand jury....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/07/AR2009040703720.html

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: April 08, 2009 10:59PM

I’m going to say a few more things about HR and Westfield and then I’ll let it go.

I’ve got almost 26 years experience in business. I spent about six years working in the trenches (two as a temp), about 14 year’s supervisory experience and about six years as an independent consultant. All of this was outside the DC area. I’ve worked for small, privately held companies, regional companies, Fortune 500 companies, State Government (VDOT) and non-profits. I’ve seen a lot.

I’ve dealt with some great people in HR. Regions Bank has a dedicated and professional HR staff that did an excellent job under trying circumstances during their latest merger. Same goes for SunTrust, JCPenny, and Dell Computer (before they decided to outsource their customer service section which I thought was a stupid idea). Based on my experience, I’d say about 70 to 80 percent of HR staffs are dedicated, knowledgeable and professional.

It’s that last 20 to 30 percent that gets you. Even then, it’s more upper management then the HR staffs. A few years ago, I worked as an Accounting Supervisor for a Fortune 500 company in Nashville. I had a six person team. We did A/P, bank recons, fixed asset accounting, G/L recons, etc. There was one guy on my team who I will call Bob. He wasn’t the best person on my team, but he wasn’t the worst. He had worked for the company for over seven years AND he was over forty (a protected class). One day, my supervisor calls me into his office…

There was my manager, his manager and the GM in the office. I started to sweat, wondering what I did wrong.

“We want to talk to about Bob. We don’t think he’s a team player,” my manager said.

For those of you who have never played out in Dilbert land, let me translate. Being tagged as “not being a team player” is upper management doublespeak for “we want you to shit-can this guy, but we don’t want to tell you why we want to shit-can this guy.” We talked about Bob for awhile and came up with a game plan.

First, HR sent out an email emphasizing the company’s tardiness policy. Second, I had a team meeting emphasizing the company’s tardiness policy. Third, I started keeping book on my team’s (particularly Bob’s) arrivals and departures. I had his nuts in a vice within a month, all fully documented. He had been tardy five times during that time period and I wrote him up. During my meeting with Bob, the HR person who was with me didn’t say a word and blushed during the entire meeting. She knew the situation was a setup and so did Bob. He knew the score. He started looking for work that very day and quit within two weeks, which was exactly what upper management wanted.

I never found out why upper management wanted Bob gone and that’s usually the case. You never really know why most of the time. Take those two HR people I talked to who said they wouldn’t hire a Westfield grad. That could have been their personal bigotry coming out or it could have come from upper management. You just don’t know.

Normally, this type of situation blows over in a couple of years. People forget. As Meeper stated, who freaking cares what high school someone attended. I sure as shit don’t and most HR people wouldn’t care either, but…

What happens if there is another big drug bust involving Westfield students or grads? If only 5% of what's been said about Westfield is true on some of these old threads, then apparently Westfield has a major and widespread drug problem. REMEMBER, I SAID "IF."

Another interesting thing about this entire situation is that I wasn't a least bit surprised when those HR people told me they wouldn't hire someone who attended Westfield. Those drug busts generated a lot of anger around Fairfax. More so than I would have thought. Look at the sentences handed down so far on those kids. Jessica Remmington (19) and Kevin Zuiker (21) could face up to forty years according to the papers. Am I the only one who thinks it odd that people are jumping up and down and cheering when one of these kids get handed a freaking twenty year sentence? Westfield is like a favorite punching bag everywhere I go and no, I don't know why. Remember, I just moved back to Fairfax about a year and a half ago.

So, if you want to jump on me and call me a troll, that's just fine. I don't really care. This is what I am hearing out there in corporate world. Kids and parents from Westfield ought to be concerned.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: screwed floris parent ()
Date: April 09, 2009 10:31AM

Since the SB redistricted us out of Westfield and into SL my kids are doomed to a future of acceptance by sniveling HR managers at crappy companies like VDOT and some insurance company in Charlotsville.

They'll never be entrepreneurs and actually create something of value for society, just aspiring middle managers for mediocre to shitty companies. My kid will probably be the one to say "me three" when the boss decides it's ok to have a brew at lunch. Thanks Stu!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: April 09, 2009 10:49AM

Vike,

FWIW I'm not calling you a "troll", I just disagree with some of the assertions being made, that's all.

That's sorta funny if people are still making such a big issue about this. I mean, I did see the articles in the local news a few months ago, but honestly would have forgotten about it if it weren't for all the attention it gets here on FU. I don't think I'd know a thing about places like Westfield or South Lakes if it weren't for all the goofy bickering on this forum.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ernie ()
Date: April 09, 2009 11:53AM

I apologize for the "troll" comment. If that has been you experience so be it.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yupper ()
Date: April 10, 2009 02:40PM

Recent news on the case:

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=327540&paper=82&cat=104

So I remember hearing early this year that Schnippel had gotten himself into more trouble by asking someone to lie to the grand jury for him. Guess this is the guy.

Also says Schnippel's trial is set for May 4, and that it's a jury trial. I can't believe they haven't cut a deal...the jury is going to crucify him.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 10 X 10 includes utilities ()
Date: April 10, 2009 04:48PM

yupper Wrote:
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> Recent news on the case:
>
> http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?ar
> ticle=327540&paper=82&cat=104
>
> So I remember hearing early this year that
> Schnippel had gotten himself into more trouble by
> asking someone to lie to the grand jury for him.
> Guess this is the guy.
>
> Also says Schnippel's trial is set for May 4, and
> that it's a jury trial. I can't believe they
> haven't cut a deal...the jury is going to crucify
> him.


Scnipple has two options, end his misery now or prepare to apply for AARP from the big house. Hes going to make someone a beautiful bride.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: VAViking ()
Date: April 11, 2009 12:07AM

From the Connection newspaper.

"Schnippel and Bonner then traveled to Nash’s residence, where Bonner provided money to Schnippel for himself and another person, and Schnippel obtained a quantity of heroin totaling less than five grams from Nash. Schnippel and Bonner returned to the residence of the other person, and Schnippel then distributed a portion of the heroin to Bonner and the other person for their personal use. Schnippel kept the remainder and left."

I wonder who "the other person" is that bought heroin from Schnippel.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: THE TRUTH ()
Date: April 11, 2009 12:19AM

As I have stated before; you can NOT trust the news or anyone for that matter. The police FBI who ever are trying to pin everything against Skylar Schnippel because of Alicia's parents. They are cutting deals with these people to make their job easier in convicting Skylar. All those who lie and deceive will have a comfy place in hell.
The Lannes succeeded and got most if not all the dealers off the street. They know the pain of their daughter being taken from them. What kind of sick parents would want to do that to another family? Alicia was loved by all her friends and more importantly Skylar, but the fact that she overdosed not once but four times should say something, no one told her to take the heroine that night. Plus, no one will know if Alicia had more heroine than what she obtained that night. Schnippel knows Alicia better than her own family.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: the judge ()
Date: April 11, 2009 10:02AM

Well I guess Skylar has had his opportunity to speak and chose not to. Now its last man standing, I would want a refund from the attorney. Oh ya, they dont refund their money regardless of the outcome, no matter how bad it is,the lawyer will be headed off to the Carribean after his stooge is off to Mecklenburg.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wow ()
Date: April 11, 2009 11:12AM

yupper Wrote:
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> Recent news on the case:
>
> http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?ar
> ticle=327540&paper=82&cat=104
>
> So I remember hearing early this year that
> Schnippel had gotten himself into more trouble by
> asking someone to lie to the grand jury for him.
> Guess this is the guy.
>
> Also says Schnippel's trial is set for May 4, and
> that it's a jury trial. I can't believe they
> haven't cut a deal...the jury is going to crucify
> him.


Wow, Bonner is a dumbass. Lying to the grand jury?? He ain't getting off the hook this time.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: TkWHS ()
Date: April 14, 2009 04:30PM

The truth is every one makes mistakes and some have to learn it hard way. I know some of the people and also am a sibling of one of the arrested. For all you judging them without knowing them is wrong! Its sad to say this is what it has to come to but some of them are great people that just went down the wrong path... Westfield is a good school, just filled with people that don't know who they are yet. Seeing my parents cry every night and my sibling apologize to me makes me sad and has changed who I am and my life forever.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: whsucks ()
Date: April 14, 2009 05:09PM

TkWHS Wrote:
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> The truth is every one makes mistakes and some
> have to learn it hard way. I know some of the
> people and also am a sibling of one of the
> arrested. For all you judging them without knowing
> them is wrong! Its sad to say this is what it has
> to come to but some of them are great people that
> just went down the wrong path... Westfield is a
> good school, just filled with people that don't
> know who they are yet. Seeing my parents cry every
> night and my sibling apologize to me makes me sad
> and has changed who I am and my life forever.

Which of these criminals are you related to?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 352djkfls ()
Date: April 14, 2009 05:31PM

so criminals is what you call people who make mistakes or mess up....?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: LOL ()
Date: April 14, 2009 05:37PM

When you say "mistake," do you mean using heroin and lying to the grand jury?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dea ()
Date: April 14, 2009 06:27PM

where are the sentences. my popcorn is ready. i bet one of those girls gets of scott free from this. that anna girl seems to be a wealth of information for the feds. hangin the rest out to dry for a free trip to rehab probably.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: plaintiff ()
Date: April 14, 2009 06:48PM

More arrests to come, get ready

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Jebus ()
Date: April 15, 2009 04:13AM

This country really needs to be out with the old and in with the new. The sooner we can change policy to allow us to follow the Swiss and UK model heroin programs, the sooner we can make more positive changes. This failed "war on drugs" BS is just ruining everyone and everything.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dork ()
Date: April 18, 2009 02:03AM

Does anyone know that status of Jess Remington? I haven't heard if she got convicted yet or not.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: just me ()
Date: April 18, 2009 02:52AM

Looks like they busted another Heroin user/seller. The number is climbing. Now there are 16

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: April 18, 2009 03:05AM

just me Wrote:
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> Looks like they busted another Heroin user/seller.
> The number is climbing. Now there are 16


what are you talking about? do you have a news article or link or anything useful?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: just me ()
Date: April 18, 2009 03:21AM

I thought I read it in the Centre Ville or the Post. It was one of those papers that said 16. Can't remember, but I will find it if you like and let you know.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: April 18, 2009 03:32AM

i know they sentenced ashleigh to two years and the matt guy to 20 but i didnt know if you were talking about something newer.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: just me ()
Date: April 18, 2009 06:33AM

There was something in one of the papers I, but like I said, I have to look and I will let you know.

As for JR, I know he got 19 yrs. Skylar's, his trail is coming up soon I know. I am not sure if there are anymore after that.

I wonder how many more are out there they have not caught yet .....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Getting it Together ()
Date: April 19, 2009 01:22PM

As a member of the Centreville community directly impacted by teen heroin use, I routinely search "Heroin Centreville" on Washingtonpost.com or "heroin" on connectionnewspapers.com or fairfaxtimes.com. A summary of what you'll find if you also take the time to search these sources is:

16 arrests and 4 deaths are now linked to the Centreville heroin ring that was identified under "Operation Smackdown" in November 2008. Operation Smackdown originally resulted in 10 arrests for heroin dealing and 3 deaths associated with the dealing (see FBI press releases from November). 14 of the now 16 arrested have already entered guilty pleas (8 of original 10) to a variety of charges (see specifics on reported status below).

The 16th arrest and most recent guilty plea was Michael Bonner and his arrest was unique in that he wasn't charged with distribution, but was indicted for "lying to a grand jury regarding another person’s actions in connection with the Centreville-based heroin ring" (see Centreview 4/9 issue).

About 1/2 of the 14 guilty have been sentenced. Sentences published to date are: JR Quick got 19 yrs for distribution resulting in death of Alicia Lannes, Daniel Nash got 20 yrs for distribution resulting in death of Alicia Lannes, Lokesh Rawat got 46 mos for conspiracy to distribute heroin, David Schreider got 63 mos for conspiracy to distribute, Ashley Shade got 24 mos for conspiracy to distribute, and Matthew Greenlee got 20 yrs for distributrion resulting in death of Carmen Somers,

Kevin Zuiker and Jessica Remington were scheduled to be sentenced for conspiracy (5-40 years) on 4/17 but no news has been released (look for the next centreview to status).

Tayler Gibson and Anna Richter were originally scheduled for March sentencing on conspiracy charges (5-40 years each) with Shade, but Shade was only pushed a couple weeks and the other 2 were reportedly pushed to a 5/29 sentence date. For Shade, the judge stated that she was "at the 'minimum levels' of the conspiracy" and "There’s no evidence of a profit motive." Because of this, the judge departed downward from the minimum sentencing guidelines and gave Shade 24 months in prison and credit for the three months she’d already served in jail (she was incarcerated at her plea hearing because she had tested positive for opiates after her arrest). See 4/16 Centreview for more on her sentencing and situation.

Upcoming sentence hearings are scheduled for Angela Aycock on 4/24 (conspiracy, 5-40 yrs), Andrew Kacvinsky on 6/5 (conspiracy, 5-40 yrs), Matthew Megale on 6/12 (distribution to someone under age 21, 1-40 yrs) and Michael Bonner on 7/2 (lying to grand jury, up to 5 yrs).

The Skylar Schnippel and Antonio Harris trials are reportedly scheduled to start on May 4 (fairfaxtimes and centreview) and Skylar Schnippel is already in jail for obstruction of justice charges that were reported in February 19 centreview.

Deaths that have been linked to the "Operation Smackdown" arrests (and are the basis for the 20-life sentences) are Alicia Lannes (3/5/2008), Duncan Parker (9/1/2008) and Carmen Somers (9/7/2008). The press continues to assert that there was another death linked to the first ten arrests, but the fourth victim has not been named. The fourth name may surface during upcoming trials as Schnippel and Harper both reportedly face multiple charges of distribution resulting in death (Feb 19 centreview).

There are also reported links to near deaths for some of the other defendants (i.e., Megale) and many teen users that have allegedly been impacted within community, but the users are not named and have not been included in the 16 Operation Smackdown arrests (which are Federal charges). All these Federal arrests are based on distribution charges and the lying charge for Mr. Bonner. Many (probably all) of these kids are also users, but none are charged with use or possession.

Please remember that these kids had much further impact than just the Lannes death and many of those stories aren't and won't be reported (i.e, juvenile dealer arrests, user arrests, community theft activity to support habits). We really need to band together to get heroin use viewed as unacceptable teen behavior in Fairfax County!! These sentences are scary, but what's even scarier is that these kids went to their sources and sought out this drug to bring back to the community. Only Antonio Harper was from outside the immediate area and older than early 20s (he is 33 and from Waldorf, MD). I have not seen anything that points to him coming to Centreville to develop a Heroin market (but I'm sure more will come out in trial).

As a community, we really have to do some soul searching on why our kids thought and evidently continue to think it would be a good idea to drive to DC and Baltimore and support/benefit from their community's addiction to heroin. It's particularly disturbing that these kids have friends that think they should perpetuate the problem even thought they know the sentences that are being handed out (witness Megale continuing to deal after his neighbors were under Federal indictment). All this effort to blame a victim like Carmen Somers or Alicia Lannes for the arrests and sentences being handed out ignores that these kids are all victims of their own involvement and the sentences being handed out are MINIMUMS or below for everyone except Schreider (which was still on the lenient edge of 5-40). It also ignores that heroin death is no stranger to these kids (Jon Grymkoski reportedly died from a heroin overdose in October of 2006 and his sister appears in Facebook as a friend of Alicia Lannes and Duncan Parker both also now deceased).

Thanks to the Lannes' for standing up in all these court cases (even the ones not tied directly to Alicia's death) and working on heroin awareness across the community. Hearing of Alicia's death from Heroin last March was a gut punch to most Westfield parents and surreal in terms of our awareness of our kids' usage. It is hard to stand up through all your grief and fight to stop others from becoming victims, but your tireless support and involvement have given the situation a broader visibility and may actually result in our kids stopping this vicious cycle. It is unfortunate that many want to attack the victim that does stand up and say enough, but I believe the message is getting through and your efforts will make a difference for all of us.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 15th Guilty Plea ()
Date: April 21, 2009 07:49PM

Antonio Harper (33) pleads guilty to supplying Centreville distribution ring with 10 to 30 KG of heroin between 2006 and his arrest in November 2008...

http://washingtondc.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/wfo042109.htm

Leaves Schnippel as only one to actually face trial for heroin distribution (bet the remaining sentences halt until after May 4). . .

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Jebus ()
Date: April 23, 2009 04:53AM

Oh jebus, do I really have to re-post what I put up in that thread on the Lannes family? Naw, I'll just bullet it here.

- You can't stop people from doing what they want to do (unless it's mass homicide). Unconstitutional, but frankly who cares about that old thing anymore. Maybe they just weren't your clones when they were born and decided to take different life paths (which is what happens to alot of people who are not brainwashed).

- Speculation for reasons why they did what they did ----> explore critical thinking options (brainstorming activity) = Maybe they didn't want to stop, maybe they wanted to look cool as kids, and make money doing it, Emotional trouble also brings heavy usage known as self-medicating. Why other kids adopt this new drug depends on them, just like not everybody who buys a Toyota buys it for the amazing cup holders.

- Kids these days are not afraid of the same BS that the kids in the 80s were fed about imminent death and dismemberment caused by snorting a line. (Maybe a more balanced education is responsible for this? I really don't know why)

- Putting kids in jail doesn't bring the dead back to life (I don't think a shaman could even attempt that one), it just turns kids into hardcore criminals who will probably have blood-thirsty revenge in their eyes the moment they step foot out of of jail.

Anyway it is a problem. I agree kids shouldn't really be using those things, but not regulating the market has brought us this dilemma so we will deal with it for now, and since legalizing drugs seems like nary a distant speck on the horizon of the political landscape, it's best to try and keep your kids off the smack if you can. If they're already on it, take them to a methadone clinic (which I've never been to and I hear are quite a pain in the ass), or a doctor who can prescribe your child Suboxone/Subutex (which is being hailed as the current miracle cure for opiate addictions). At least if they're going to get high, let them be legal about it so they can't get in trouble anymore, and it should help a few problems in the interim while you figure out which action route you wanna take.

You're obviously not alone in this as people get arrested all the time, or know loved ones who get arrested, or get caught up in some immeasurable way, all around the country for drug related charges, all day long. Ultimately ensuring all law enforcement is kept from investigating robberies and murders to pinpoint where the marijuana is getting into the city.

Anyway, good luck in Centreville.



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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: drew kavinski ()
Date: April 23, 2009 11:59AM

Fuck you are you really that stupid

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Reader ()
Date: April 23, 2009 02:52PM

Why is he stupid drew?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dork ()
Date: April 24, 2009 04:29PM

Getting it Together Wrote:
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> Kevin Zuiker and Jessica Remington were scheduled
> to be sentenced for conspiracy (5-40 years) on
> 4/17 but no news has been released (look for the
> next centreview to status).


I'm an old friend of Jessica and I'm glad that she'll be sentenced. She fucked up and she has to pay for her mistakes.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Harper Plea & Greenlee Sentence Details ()
Date: April 24, 2009 08:44PM

More details on the Greenlee sentencing (sounds like 2 more arrests are pending for Ms. Somers death:

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=328039&paper=82&cat=104

and info about the Harper plea (they dropped the distribution contributing to Alicia Lannes' death charge for him to plea on other charges):

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=328037&paper=82&cat=104

Angela Aycock was scheduled to be sentenced today, but they pushed out all the other sentences surrounding the Lannes death. Could they be waiting for 5/4 start of Schnippel trial to finish negotiating sentence deals for these kids?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: AnonLaw ()
Date: April 26, 2009 08:36PM

"If you are convicted of a federal drug crime, you are sentenced by a set of guidelines and the judge cannot depart from the sentencing guidelines without a recommendation form the prosecution for "substantial assistance"ie snitching."

That would have been a true statement a couple years ago, but not anymore. Post-Booker/Kimbrough/Gall, etc., the sentencing guidelines are merely advisory. The judge need only calculate a sentence according to the guidelines, and if she chooses to deviate downward, explain her rationale by copy-pasting some language from USC 3553 into her order.

The guidelines were designed to impose real offense sentencing without any of this "he grew up in a broken home, so he's less culpable" or "he grew up in a loving home, so he's easier to rehabilitate" speculation. But discretion's back in now, and so's all that.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: April 26, 2009 09:27PM

AnonLaw Wrote:
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> "If you are convicted of a federal drug crime, you
> are sentenced by a set of guidelines and the judge
> cannot depart from the sentencing guidelines
> without a recommendation form the prosecution for
> "substantial assistance"ie snitching."
>
> That would have been a true statement a couple
> years ago, but not anymore.
> Post-Booker/Kimbrough/Gall, etc., the sentencing
> guidelines are merely advisory. The judge need
> only calculate a sentence according to the
> guidelines, and if she chooses to deviate
> downward, explain her rationale by copy-pasting
> some language from USC 3553 into her order.
>
> The guidelines were designed to impose real
> offense sentencing without any of this "he grew up
> in a broken home, so he's less culpable" or "he
> grew up in a loving home, so he's easier to
> rehabilitate" speculation. But discretion's back
> in now, and so's all that.

I misspoke and used the term "guidelines" when I meant to say "mandatory minimums".


I didn't understand the new development helped mandatory minimums. From what I've heard the guidelines are out, but the mandatorys are still in. This helps people only with the lowest threshold of the lowest mandatory minimum, 5 years. If your crime carries a guideline range of say 18 to 25 months, the judge can sentence under. But once the mandatory level of drug weight or firearm use is hit, it trumps any new leeway by the case law you've quoted. I used to keep up with all of this stuff, read FAMM newletters and all, but I haven't paid much mind to it in the last few years.

The guidelines are entirely different than mandatory minimums. The guidlines came AFAIK because of the wide regional variation in sentencing. Often someone in NY with a liberal judge would get probation while down South a redneck judge would give you 10 years like it was candy. There used to be parole after about a third of your sentence in the feds, old law they call it. Now it's "new law" and even "new new law"

Lawyer?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: AnonLaw ()
Date: April 27, 2009 10:37AM

Oh, okay. Not guidelines. Yes, mandatory minimums are still binding on judges.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: cg ()
Date: April 27, 2009 04:28PM

does anyone know if skylar's brothers were also involved?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: just me ()
Date: April 27, 2009 05:09PM

I thought Skylar had a sister only. But as far as I know it is only Skylar. No one else in his family was involved as in brothers/sisters.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: poss ()
Date: April 28, 2009 12:47PM

wouldn't be surprised if trey was involved in some way at some point since him and skylar are only a year or so apart and they were pretty close/partied together sometimes. but that doesn't mean he was "involved" enough to be charged with anything.
unlikely (hopefully) that reece (other younger bro) was involved b/c he would have only been 15 or 16 around the time everything was really goin down

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: steven spielberg ()
Date: April 28, 2009 12:50PM

has this story been aired on any shows like 48 hours or dateline nbc? i feel like it is a hollywood video (or at least some indie flick) waiting to happen

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: cg ()
Date: April 28, 2009 01:02PM

yeah i was wondering if reece was the "un-named individual" when all the arrests happened,since he was a minor. that would be so bad for their family.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Reader ()
Date: April 28, 2009 02:07PM

None of Skylar's brothers were ever involved

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Seann ()
Date: May 01, 2009 07:38PM

So did that Harper guy (Black guy from PG Co. supply guy to Wfield HS) ever give up anyone higher than him on the heroin food chain??

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Court Starts Monday ()
Date: May 02, 2009 06:37AM

All sentencing appears to have stopped on cases related to Alicia Lannes' death and her boyfriend (Skylar Schnippel) is reportedly scheduled to go on trial Monday (5/4). So far, Quick and Nash got 19 and 20 years (respectively) for distribution contributing to Alicia's death and Rawat and Schreider got 46 and 63 months for distribution in late February. Greenlee was sentenced to 20 years in mid April, but he was linked to another death (Carmen Sommers) and Shade was given 24 months for dealing to support her own habit in early April. Harper recently plead guilty to distribution and gun charges but his distribution contributing to death charge was dropped (will probably find out at the 7/17 sentencing hearing if he got/did anything else to negotiate a plea).

It would appear that all efforts have been focused on getting Harper to plea and Schnippel to trial. Expect a flurry of new revelations and Lannes family bashing as the Schnippel case progresses. It's unclear if more arrests are pending for WHS-based heroin distribution, but one would hope that the Bonner guilty plea for lying to a grand jury and Schnippel's witness tampering incarceration have put a lid on that level of arrest activity. It does seem related, however, that five of the kids with guilty distribution pleas may have been given a little extra time to get their affairs in order before sentencing. It may also be a coincidence that the court case for Schnippel wasn't scheduled to start until after his college friends come back to Centreville, but it sounds like a witness strategy....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wondering ()
Date: May 02, 2009 07:17AM

Is anyone going to be at the hearing on the 4th of May??? Please post what the verdict is for Skylar if you find out that day.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Eight is Enough ()
Date: May 02, 2009 10:05AM

2nd man gets death in California yacht murders
The Associated Press
Friday, May 1, 2009; 4:13 PM

SANTA ANA, Calif. -- A Southern California man has become the second person sentenced to death in the murders of a retired couple who was tied to an anchor and thrown off their yacht.

Orange County Superior Court Judge Frank Fasel condemned 43-year-old John Fitzgerald Kennedy on Friday. A jury convicted Kennedy in February of two counts of special-circumstances murder and recommended death.

Kennedy's co-defendant, Skylar Deleon,1 also was sentenced to death last month in the murders of Tom and Jackie Hawks.

Authorities say Kennedy and two others overpowered the couple from Prescott, Ariz., and threw them overboard in a plot to steal their yacht, which was for sale.

Deleon's ex-wife was convicted of murder in 2006 and sentenced to life in prison. A fourth co-defendant still faces trial.

1 Deleon began acting in bit parts in commercials as a child. At age 14, he appeared in the series Mighty Morphin Power Rangers as an extra in the episode Second Chance. As an adult Deleon struggled to remember lines, and his career faltered as a result. At age 20, he joined the United States Marine Corps, but went on Unauthorized Absence (UA) fifteen days later. He was later given an other than honorable discharge.

Despite Deleon's earlier protestations of innocence, once his trial began, Deleon's attorney conceded that Deleon had indeed committed all three murders. The attorney said that he had taken the case to trial only to argue to a jury that Deleon should not be sentenced to death. On October 20, Deleon was convicted of three counts of first-degree murder and special circumstances for financial gain and multiple victims, and on November 6, 2008, the jury recommended the death penalty. Sentencing was originally scheduled for January 16, 2009, but was then rescheduled to March 20 on request by Deleon's attorney. On March 13, it was announced that sentencing would again be rescheduled, to April 10, so that the family of the victims could attend.

On April 10, 2009, Deleon was sentenced to death by Orange County Superior Court Judge Frank Fasel.
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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Fear ()
Date: May 02, 2009 10:32AM

You guys still doing Heroin, Come on get on the new stuff.. Adrenichrome is going to change the world on drugs!! ITS THE BOMB!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: May 02, 2009 10:52AM

I agree with the above, as you don't need much... just a little taste.

It's like mescaline methadrine.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: May 02, 2009 01:24PM

what do the yacht murders have to do with a heroin ring in centreville

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yo ()
Date: May 04, 2009 10:20AM

todays skylars big day..

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wonder ()
Date: May 04, 2009 03:55PM

i wonder if news coverage will start picking up on this now that the feature trial has started...

i would bank on a dateline nbc episode about this once all is said and done

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: May 04, 2009 05:10PM

i could definitely see something like that happening too. 48 hours might decide to come back to our pleasent abode after the ratings they got for their show on justin wolfe.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: just me ()
Date: May 04, 2009 05:18PM

you can almost bet this will be in the Centre View paper this week.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Josh42070369 ()
Date: May 04, 2009 05:52PM

just me Wrote:
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> you can almost bet this will be in the Centre View
> paper this week.


no shit.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: testimony begins ()
Date: May 04, 2009 09:49PM

Washington Post reports on first day of trial...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/04/AR2009050403570.html

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: sandindc ()
Date: May 05, 2009 01:15PM

Skylar Schnipple was just found guilty on all three counts.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wow ()
Date: May 05, 2009 01:37PM

testimony begins Wrote:
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> Washington Post reports on first day of trial...
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2009/05/04/AR2009050403570.html


despite all the ridiculous factors in this trial (namely, using skylar as the scapegoat for alicia's own actions), my question is this: why is the prosecution so intent on building the case around skylar? not only was he not the main supplier to these kids, he wasn't even the main supplier within his group of friends (jr was). so why is the prosecution trying to build this glamorous case around a kid who was no more involved than the rest, rather than trying to do something really beneficial for society and track down the root of the problem - above skylar, above jr, above antonio harper - to actual make some headway in this so-called "war on drugs" they claim to be fighting against

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Hmmm ()
Date: May 05, 2009 01:39PM

sandindc Wrote:
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> Skylar Schnipple was just found guilty on all
> three counts.


How was that decision reached so quickly? I expected this trial to go on for quite some time, with days of testimony?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: just me ()
Date: May 05, 2009 01:50PM

Hmmm Wrote:
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> sandindc Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Skylar Schnipple was just found guilty on all
> > three counts.
>
>
> How was that decision reached so quickly? I
> expected this trial to go on for quite some time,
> with days of testimony?


I thought so too that this case would drag on for a while. The papers did not mention this at all.

I also agree with WOW. As for JR, I know he did not have a drivers license for he had to get others to drive him. But that does not make a difference in this case. they should go a step futher and get the person above Antonio Harper.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: smarterthanyou ()
Date: May 05, 2009 01:57PM

The reason he was found guilty so quickly is because the evidence was so overwhelming. You're right they should go further with their investigation because I'm sure there are more heroin addicts in their circle that were missed. Have fun in jail kids.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: May 05, 2009 03:34PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050501755.html

he also didnt have a jury trial, it was just the judge, so i guess theres not much deliberation time

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Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: May 05, 2009 03:47PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Shadow ()
Date: May 05, 2009 03:50PM

What's sad is the fact that her parents completely missed the fact that she was screwed up enough to OD on heroine repeatedly. Mom was upstairs for four hours without checking on her drug addict daughter who'd already OD'ed a few times?

It's easy to blame someone else, particularly when you don't want to accept any of the responsibility yourself.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Listener ()
Date: May 05, 2009 04:05PM

I agree with what is said above. The Lannes' need to realize that it was Alicia who did this to herself. What is even more sick is that they know what it is like to lose their child why would they want parents to go through the same thing. They are a selfish family to try for something like this. I hope the Schnippel's appeal this bullshit.
I also heard that during Lokesh Rowat's trial he asked the judge if he should go to rehab and the response he got from the judge is "ehh don't bother I already know the answer (verdict) for the other trials"
We have a fucked up judicial system and it just goes to show you that even when people say they are not biased to have a grieving family who lost their daughter and they need to have a scapegoat then they will be willing to throw anyone under the bus. I bet Alicia is turning in her grave now from what her family is doing.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 05, 2009 04:09PM

Shadow Wrote:
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> It's easy to blame someone else, particularly when
> you don't want to accept any of the responsibility
> yourself.

Truth.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yupper ()
Date: May 05, 2009 04:14PM

Question for several of you folks who seem to know the law: If a defense lawyer thinks there's no possible way to win a case, is it unethical for them to continue to work as though there is -- to continue to charge the client and act as though there's a reasonable chance of winning?

It seems as though the evidence of skylar's guilt has been overwhelming all along. I don't see how the lawyers or parents could have thought otherwise.

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Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: May 05, 2009 04:55PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jimmy jingles ()
Date: May 05, 2009 05:12PM

How is it unethical for a lawyer to defend his client??

If you tell your lawyer you're innocent and you want him to pursue your defense as if you are innocent, he's obligated to do just that.

If the lawyer took their money and told the jury "yeah I actually think this person is guilty" he'd probably get disbarred.

Great question though.

yupper Wrote:
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> Question for several of you folks who seem to know
> the law: If a defense lawyer thinks there's no
> possible way to win a case, is it unethical for
> them to continue to work as though there is -- to
> continue to charge the client and act as though
> there's a reasonable chance of winning?
>
> It seems as though the evidence of skylar's guilt
> has been overwhelming all along. I don't see how
> the lawyers or parents could have thought
> otherwise.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: May 05, 2009 05:33PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jimmy jingles ()
Date: May 05, 2009 05:43PM

> A lawyers job isn't to play along with a
> delusional defendants incredible lies.

I see you have a firm and realistic grasp on the role of a defense attorney.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: soimp ()
Date: May 05, 2009 06:24PM

Looks like Skylar attempted to save his sorry ass by naming 30 other people to the police , what a great guy. no honor among thieves or dealers. enjoy prison you flithy scumbag

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Date: May 05, 2009 07:03PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Shadow ()
Date: May 05, 2009 07:34PM

yupper Wrote:
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> Question for several of you folks who seem to know
> the law: If a defense lawyer thinks there's no
> possible way to win a case, is it unethical for
> them to continue to work as though there is -- to
> continue to charge the client and act as though
> there's a reasonable chance of winning?
>
> It seems as though the evidence of skylar's guilt
> has been overwhelming all along. I don't see how
> the lawyers or parents could have thought
> otherwise.

Gee, OJ Simpson's lawyers probably thought there was no way he'd get off. But he did. Like many things, the facts on paper don't mean a thing, you have to play the game to the end for the final answer. Lawyers, like many others, have been making a very good living this way for centuries.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: piciswortha$1000 ()
Date: May 05, 2009 07:41PM

Does anyone have a pic of this Skylar dude? Maybe his arrest shot? Odd name...what race is he and what's the 411 on the family? Maybe a nice civil suit in the future for someone if his daddy/mommy has some bucks...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jimmy jingles ()
Date: May 05, 2009 07:44PM

YES.

(note: modified your question a little bit)


WingNut Wrote:
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> Would you consider a doctor good if he just approved every
> prescription for percoset and vicodin you asked for?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Seann ()
Date: May 05, 2009 07:55PM

Is anyone tired of Alicia Lannes family yet??

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: no seann.... ()
Date: May 05, 2009 08:06PM

I'm not tired of them. I hope no other family ever has to go through the pain they have.

People can beat them up all they want, for not doing everything they could have. As a family who loved their daughter and sister, I'm sure they thought that what they did was enough. You want to trust your loved ones and believe that they will not do bad things again... Maybe they just didnt' know how HUGE the dragon was that they were trying to slay.

Hopefully the 30 people that Skylar sold out today will result in arrests, too. Fingers crossed!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: May 05, 2009 08:13PM

no seann.... Wrote:

Maybe they just
> didnt' know how HUGE the dragon was that they were
> trying to slay.

she od'd 3 times BEFORE the time she died. they knew, they were just incompetent and are looking for someone to blame. how bout not giving your heroin addicted daughter a bedroom in the basement where you cant watch her. they should have had her room right across from theirs. and how about getting her out of centreville for crying out loud. that worked for one of the other defendants. anna richter went to florida, stayed in florida except coming back for her court dates, guess what? shes alive, probably serving no time for this, and her parents didnt try to send every single one of her friends to prison.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: tilly ()
Date: May 05, 2009 08:38PM

her "friends" that are being sent to prison held a proverbial gun to her head and then didn't throw her a lifeline when she was drowning.

with friends like that...... who needs cellmates?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: three questions ()
Date: May 05, 2009 10:22PM

1) how is it possible that skylar had not a single person testify on his behalf? did his lawyer suck that bad?

2) did he sell out 30 people today at his trial, or over the course of the investigation?

3) did anyone go to the trial/watch it go down?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Ignatz Mouse ()
Date: May 05, 2009 11:17PM

> It seems as though the evidence of skylar's guilt
> has been overwhelming all along. I don't see how
> the lawyers or parents could have thought
> otherwise.

This is true. The law is pretty straightforward; however one might regard the decedent's behavior, given the facts reported in the media, there really appears to be no wiggle room whatsoever as to the conspiracy, possession and distribution charges against Schnippel, including the "resulting in death" element. Of course, there may be relevant facts that weren't reported, or nuances in the law not evident to the untrained eye. I would be curious to see what sort of argument Schnippel's well-regarded attorney, Rodney G. Leffler, actually made to the court. To say Schnippel was simply an addict, not a dealer - as Leffler contended, per the Post - doesn't even begin to refute the elements of the crimes Schnippel was charged with (e.g., you don't have to be a "dealer" to be guilty of "distribution," which merely requires the "transfer" of a controlled substance).

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground you suck ()
Date: May 05, 2009 11:20PM

@un-fairfax aboveground

you are an idiot. Drug Dealers are the scum of the earth.

So maybe she was addicted. But where did she get it from. White girls from Chantilly don't end up as heroin addicts unless someone supplies it to them.

The suppliers, aka Skylar and the guy from DC deserve the death penalty. Seriously.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jimmy jingles ()
Date: May 05, 2009 11:42PM

un-fairfax aboveground you suck Wrote:
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> The suppliers, aka Skylar and the guy from DC
> deserve the death penalty. Seriously.

Except they didn't actually kill her, she did that to herself by being a junkie. They just sold her the gun.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Ignatz Mouse ()
Date: May 05, 2009 11:53PM

And if you sell a gun to someone you know has attempted suicide with a gun three times...?

What's the culpability there?

Second-degree murder - a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life - perhaps?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jimmy jingles ()
Date: May 06, 2009 12:04AM

Ignatz Mouse Wrote:
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> And if you sell a gun to someone you know has
> attempted suicide with a gun three times...?

Your analogy is flawed. Its not like providing a gun to a suicdal person, its more like providing a gun to a clumsy person that previously shot themselves in the foot three seperate times. Yes, its a bad idea, but it wasn't murder.

Am I saying these are angels that sold her the drugs? No, and they need to be sentenced for their crimes of selling drugs. However, she is the one that killed herself by being a junkie.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: May 06, 2009 02:54AM

tilly Wrote:
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> her "friends" that are being sent to prison held a
> proverbial gun to her head and then didn't throw
> her a lifeline when she was drowning.
>
> with friends like that...... who needs cellmates?


actually i would say she had the gun to her own head, and guess what? she pulled the trigger HERSELF

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: May 06, 2009 02:56AM

un-fairfax aboveground you suck Wrote:
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> @un-fairfax aboveground
>
> you are an idiot. Drug Dealers are the scum of the
> earth.
>
> So maybe she was addicted. But where did she get
> it from. White girls from Chantilly don't end up
> as heroin addicts unless someone supplies it to
> them.
>
> The suppliers, aka Skylar and the guy from DC
> deserve the death penalty. Seriously.

oh yeah well then why did alicia travel to dc multiple times to get heroin to shoot up. how can you just take all of the blame off of her. people in court testified that she was the one to first shoot them up jackass. Daniel nash just got 20 fucking years and guess who he said shot him up for the first time. Alicia fucking Lannes

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: May 06, 2009 03:02AM

and Alicia was dating a drug dealer, do you honestly think that she never "helped a friend out" and got them heroin? if you dont then you're absofuckinglutely retarded. if it was skylar that died would you be wanting to cut alicia's head off and put it on a post for all to see so they know not to be a drug dealer? get real this is the most fucked up case ever. They have ruined all these kids lives and at the same time cost taxpayers millions of dollars to house/feed/pay medical bills/etc for the next 20 to life.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: cvhs ()
Date: May 06, 2009 03:12AM

un-fairfax aboveground you suck Wrote:
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> @un-fairfax aboveground
Drug Dealers are the scum of the
> earth.

if you believe this then i think you should ask the lannes family about the time their son got arrested for selling drugs in high school.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: May 06, 2009 03:18AM

to prove my earlier nash statement:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050501755.html

Daniel R. Nash, 20, sentenced to 20 years in prison, said Lannes introduced him to intravenous drug use

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: tilly ()
Date: May 06, 2009 06:44AM

UnFfx....

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. One one side, you say that Alicia pulled the trigger herself, making me think you are of the thought that everyone is responsible for their own actions, no matter what. Then... you say the Lannes have ruined these kids lives, when actually the kids' own choices have done that. You can't choose to assign responsibility when it suits your argument.

Oh wait, you can... it happens in politics all the time!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground you suck ()
Date: May 06, 2009 10:30AM

You are missing the point in your arguments. You are focusing on individual incidents of usage, after she had been addicted. Of course she "chose" to use it once she was addicted.

But the real issue is who got her addicted in the first place. You need to work back through the chain to get to the guys who thought it would be a swell idea to introduce heroin to some high school kids (and those guys need to be put to death).

High school kids are easily influenced and make bad decisions all the time. But they shouldn't be in a position where that choice involves one of the most addictive and destructive drugs around.

You are advocating the classic drug dealer argument. Guys such as Frank Lucas and Rayful Edmond destroy communities so they can make a few bucks, and then claim that anybody who used did so of their own free will. Would you defend them?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: quantum ()
Date: May 06, 2009 11:28AM

There's no way to escape the conclusion that we are responsible for our own actions.

While not excusing Mr. Schnippel's conduct, the bottom line is that Ms. Lannes had a responsibility to look out for herself and failed to do so. My heart does go out to her family, and it is a tragedy she could not overcome her addiction to an ultimately lethal street drug. I say this not in a mean way but in a way to remind that ultimately the bottom line lies with their choices. One only wishes she could have imposed boundaries on herself to stay away from both her friends dealing the stuff and the drug itself.

This doesn't let Mr. Schnippel off the hook, though. He too is culpable for his actions and it appears he is now paying for them dearly, facing over 20 years in federal prison.

The excessive length of drug sentences is a separate subject and is a good topic of conversation.

I am curious as to why Mr. Schnippel went to trial, especially since he did not appear to put on any evidence. Perhaps the prosecutors were not open to any plea agreement? Or was it hope against hope?

Lots of young lives ruined here. And perhaps those that speak out against those who trivialize drug use will receive a better reception than they currently do.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: meh ()
Date: May 06, 2009 11:37AM

anyone know when sentencing is for mr schnippel?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: quantum ()
Date: May 06, 2009 01:06PM

WingNut - let me be clear, I wasn't making the argument that everyone necessarily has the "free will" to break a heroin addiction. A law enforcement acquaintance with an unusual amount of empathy has related to me the private hell these people live through. Life's ups and downs are tough enough - I can only imagine what it is like managing the downs when stuck on heroin and with the gripping mania that obtains with the use of drug. I feel for them.

But the choice to start is a matter of free-will, although I am not sure that young people really know how awful a road heroin is to walk down. The challenge is to inform a bunch of young people when they are in the time of their lives (both organically and emotionally) when they tend to think they are indestructible.

I share your beliefs about excessive drug sentences.

And you are in my view unusually situated and skilled to talk about just how bad news some of these drugs can be. I mean that in the most positive way possible - I greatly respect your sincere nature and the ability to get to the point.

And I am not second guessing the young man's decision to go to trial here in a capricious way. I cringe when I think of extra years in prison - seeing young (if flawed) talent wasting away.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
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Date: May 06, 2009 02:29PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: HateTheHOA ()
Date: May 06, 2009 09:55PM

The thing that sucks about this entire thread is that we probably wouldn't be having this conversation if Schnipple and Lannes and all the defendants were Black. We wouldn't be crying our eyes out about lost opportunities and lost potential if they were inner-city black kids from the 'hood. It wouldn't have made the papers, it certainly wouldn't have generated a front page feature story in the Post, and none of us would probably even know about it. This kind of thing goes on in courtrooms every single day, but because it touched the establishment/white-bread suburbs, it's all of a sudden newsworthy??? How racist is that people???

All of a sudden a dozen or so WHITE kids end up in jail for heroin dealing and the sentencing guidelines are unfair? Where were you when black kids were jailed under the same laws -- what about their potential and their wasted lives??? I'd be willing to bet that most people reading this thread never thought about those wasted lives BEFORE these white kids were caught up in it.....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yeah! ()
Date: May 06, 2009 10:26PM

HateTheHOA Wrote:
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> The thing that sucks about this entire thread is
> that we probably wouldn't be having this
> conversation if Schnipple and Lannes and all the
> defendants were Black. We wouldn't be crying our
> eyes out about lost opportunities and lost
> potential if they were inner-city black kids from
> the 'hood. It wouldn't have made the papers, it
> certainly wouldn't have generated a front page
> feature story in the Post, and none of us would
> probably even know about it. This kind of thing
> goes on in courtrooms every single day, but
> because it touched the establishment/white-bread
> suburbs, it's all of a sudden newsworthy??? How
> racist is that people???
>
> All of a sudden a dozen or so WHITE kids end up in
> jail for heroin dealing and the sentencing
> guidelines are unfair? Where were you when black
> kids were jailed under the same laws -- what about
> their potential and their wasted lives??? I'd be
> willing to bet that most people reading this
> thread never thought about those wasted lives
> BEFORE these white kids were caught up in it.....


And these white kids are gonna be all up close and personal wit those black kids in the slammer.

The bruthas will wipe the shit-eating grins off their stupid faces

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
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Date: May 06, 2009 10:45PM

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Date: May 06, 2009 10:49PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Ignatz Mouse ()
Date: May 07, 2009 01:29AM

jimmy jingles wrote: "Your analogy is flawed."

You created the gun analogy which does not support the point you wanted to make; I highlighted the flaw by applying your analogy to the facts in this case. Your strained "clumsy person" counter-hypthothetical fails because a person who deliberately injects heroin is not comparable to a person who accidentally injures herself. Although indeed, even on the facts of your hypothetical, I think anyone who sold that clumsy person a gun, knowing of her prior accidents (as Schnippel knew of Lannes's prior od's), would be engaged in dangerous conduct that evidences a lack of concern for human life.

That said, I don't really disagree with your larger point - Lannes is ultimately responsible for her own death. And in fact Schnippel was not charged with murder, but rather intentional distribution that resulted in death, with the latter factor going to the issue of sentencing and not an element of the crime as such.

Although I would add that a second-degree murder charge in similar circumstances is not uncommon, e.g.:

Louisiana (methadone)

Nevada (hydrodone)

Nevada (methadone)

North Carolina (methadone)

North Carolina (methadone, crack cocaine)

Oklahoma (cocaine)

Tennessee (fentanyl)

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: quantum ()
Date: May 07, 2009 10:30AM

Hate the HOA - you argument proceeds on a false assumption - that many of us reasonable people are not interested in these kinds of tragedies in minority neighborhoods - fair minded people are and think they are every bit as tragic as what has occurred in Centreville. We are in fact interested. Folks in minority communities are experiencing the same kinds of pain, if not worse.

Your point likely has some validity when it comes to the media. They may not give a similar tragedy in a minority neighborhood the same attention for fear of portraying those in those communities in an unrelentingly negative way and thus be deemed racist, the last thing the "progressive" media would ever want to invite. No such fears when covering the foibles of the citizens of Virginia Run.

But this doesn't mean that the discussion here is not a good one. This is why I welcome WingNut's comments. Many parents indeed fear being "judgmental" - but as he points out - when it comes to a vital issue of health and safety, it pays in fact to be judgmental. Look at 16 or more talented kids with a future in this situation - think the heroin thing worked out OK for them? Think of their friends too.

And I don't mean to be critical of the parents (including the Lannes'). In hindsight, all parents wish they could often have done things differently. But this sure as heck is a good reminder for us all.

I think it time to reform the sentencing laws, and have them also apply retroactively in a reasonable way when it comes to drug offenders. But that is an another subject.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yes ()
Date: May 07, 2009 12:58PM

meh Wrote:
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> anyone know when sentencing is for mr schnippel?


july 24

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: sell me dat shit nukka ()
Date: May 08, 2009 03:52PM

HateTheHOA Wrote:
We wouldn't be crying our
> eyes out about lost opportunities and lost
> potential if they were inner-city black kids from
> the 'hood.

thats because people from the hood don't have potential. the only potential they have is to be the guys supplying the over-privileged kids

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: More News ()
Date: May 09, 2009 02:08AM

This week's Centreview article with more about the evidence against Mr. Schnippel:

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=328488&paper=82&cat=104

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: don't get it ()
Date: May 09, 2009 09:33PM

i don't get why his lawyer didn't do more...no witnesses called on his behalf, no solid arguments regarding his own addiction, and what about rehab for him? but most of all why didn't his lawyer have his family, friends, teachers, whoever to testify about the other side of him?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: HateTheHOA ()
Date: May 09, 2009 09:37PM

Now that the heroin problem has hit the suburbs and has white middle-class kids going to jail, I bet people will get serious about trying to get mandatory sentencing reduced or eliminated. Now that it's happening to their kids.....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 09, 2009 10:55PM

HateTheHOA Wrote:
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> Now that the heroin problem has hit the suburbs
> and has white middle-class kids going to jail, I
> bet people will get serious about trying to get
> mandatory sentencing reduced or eliminated. Now
> that it's happening to their kids.....

I agree...inner city kids is one thing....white kids are another.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
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Date: May 10, 2009 08:13AM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
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Date: May 10, 2009 08:19AM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 10, 2009 11:01AM

WingNut Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
>
> > I agree...inner city kids is one thing....white
> > kids are another.
>
> Last time I checked this wasn't Anacostia
> Underground,maybe thats why there's a little more
> focus on what's going in our own backyard?
>
> Vince(1), I thought in your world all crime is
> linked to poverty and inequality. Centrevelle aint
> Great Falls, but these kids sure had better
> opportunities than most you'll find in the BOP.

Ever hear of the 80-20 relationship? These kids are part of the 20% (or less) where boredom becomes the prime motivator for such behavior.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 10, 2009 03:53PM

Believe me my soltion is simple..and not hateful at all...legalize heroin and most other "recreational" drugs.

Use the money saved in ineffective interdiction and incarceration programs to educate and rehabilitate.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Indaknow ()
Date: May 12, 2009 09:46AM

1) Scnippel's attorney didn't put on a defense, because he didn't have one. His only argument was that the government didn't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Schippel was looking at a mandatory minimum 20 years either way, so he had nothing to lose by going to trial.

2) Alicia Lannes overdosed three times before her parents sent her to rehab.

3) Alicia Lannes' parents didn't realize their daughter had a drug problem until she overdosed on heroin. Really?

4) After her first overdose Alicia Lannes' parents allowed her to move out of their house with another heroin addict.

5) Alicia Lannes introduced several people to heroin and injected more than one of them with heroin for the first time.

Take nothing away from the rest of this group, they are all responsible for their actions. Many of them had a hand in the deaths of others. Lannes' death was tragic, and I can't imagine the grief that her family has been through. However, Lannes also had a hand in her own death.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 12, 2009 11:43AM

WingNut Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Believe me my soltion is simple..and not
> hateful
> > at all...legalize heroin and most other
> > "recreational" drugs.
> >
> > Use the money saved in ineffective interdiction
> > and incarceration programs to educate and
> > rehabilitate.
>
> If you would legalize heroin, which of the
> "recreational drugs" would it be logical to ban?

The ones that shoot bullets.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Ashburn ()
Date: May 13, 2009 03:24PM

It's a shame that the parents are placing blame on all of the kids that have a drug problem instead of taking responsibility themselves... These kids need a good rehab program. Why would any parent allow a child to have their door shut when their child has overdosed multiple times with heroin and alcohol and even attempted suicide. Why did she take the heroin home unless she knew there was absolutely no supervision in the house!! Why else would she feel comfortable laying out everything to administer the drug in her room?? It's time the Lannes took responsibility that they had a part in their daughter's death. Perhaps, the Lannes' can act with the dignity that the defendents' families have shown at some point and not become media whores. If they feel the need to be vocal in the media, then start focusing on where they failed their daughter as parents!!

The sad thing is that there ARE two sides to this story unlike the Lannes or the media has portrayed thus far. I believe in Freedom of Speech but start taking responsibility but the Lannes' need to take responsibility for their lack of parental controls which led to their daughter's death. People following this story are only hearing one side of it which is a true injustice!P

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: tilly ()
Date: May 13, 2009 06:30PM

It seems to me that both sides of the story are being aired.... your "dignified" dealer families are having their side aired in courtrooms around the same beltway they used to travel to collect the poisons they sold... They are being handed "dignified" sentences as a result.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 13, 2009 06:57PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Believe me my soltion is simple..and not
> hateful
> > at all...legalize heroin and most other
> > "recreational" drugs.
> >
> > Use the money saved in ineffective interdiction
> > and incarceration programs to educate and
> > rehabilitate.
>
> If you would legalize heroin, which of the
> "recreational drugs" would it be logical to ban?


Well...I cant think of any that I wouldnt decriminalize the use of. That doesnt mean Id have the govt provide every recreational drug in a system similar to VA's ABC. Perhaps the manufacture and distribution (not use) of meph would remain illegal...as would be the "unauthorized" distribution of any drug.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 13, 2009 07:02PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Believe me my soltion is simple..and not
> > hateful
> > > at all...legalize heroin and most other
> > > "recreational" drugs.
> > >
> > > Use the money saved in ineffective
> interdiction
> > > and incarceration programs to educate and
> > > rehabilitate.
> >
> > If you would legalize heroin, which of the
> > "recreational drugs" would it be logical to
> ban?
>
> The ones that shoot bullets.


If the only people killed by guns were the ones holding the guns....Id agree with the point I think you are trying to make.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: vince get a life ()
Date: May 13, 2009 08:25PM

Vince - under no circumstances could anyone countenance the legalization of PCP.

The danger to others is just too great.

Ask emergency room personnel. They won't come near someone on the stuff without significant restraints - and you damn well better believe they sedate these people heavily.

Legalize drugs? Start at least with those that are defensible. Pot comes to mind.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 13, 2009 08:34PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I really dont care if you delete every comment I
> make on here...or ban me for life.

awesome.
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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dude ()
Date: May 14, 2009 08:16AM

that anna kid did not hang anyone out to dry as she has been away at rehab for over a year. No free rehab, her parents paid for it and I heard it was a lot! While she was away the others gave her up to the feds, she had nothing to offer as they did not talk to her until towards just before the indictments.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
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Date: May 14, 2009 09:05AM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: May 14, 2009 11:28AM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: May 14, 2009 11:31AM

dude Wrote:
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> that anna kid did not hang anyone out to dry as
> she has been away at rehab for over a year. No
> free rehab, her parents paid for it and I heard it
> was a lot! While she was away the others gave her
> up to the feds, she had nothing to offer as they
> did not talk to her until towards just before the
> indictments.

anna was such a nice girl.

hope she has turned it around sense

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dude ()
Date: May 21, 2009 10:44AM

I know the family and yes she has turned it around. Been away from the area since early March 08. Has only been back for court dates. Hear she has been working with other kids like herself and helping them turn it around.

Saw her the last time she was in town in January, was amazed how great she looked, has a good attitude regarding the court case, says she made mistakes and understands she'll have to pay for them.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dude ()
Date: May 21, 2009 10:55AM

VAViking,

Your post about the conversation with the HR people is a crock! Think maybe you had a little too much wine and cheese that night. Nice tale, just no truth to it at all!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Robert Akins ()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:04PM

dude Wrote:
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> that anna kid did not hang anyone out to dry as
> she has been away at rehab for over a year. No
> free rehab, her parents paid for it and I heard it
> was a lot! While she was away the others gave her
> up to the feds, she had nothing to offer as they
> did not talk to her until towards just before the
> indictments.

wrong she was busted in a car outside of one of the dealers house early in the investigation.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Robert Akins ()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:06PM

aaaaaaaaand she was introducing these people to their sources. she told them about the kevin zuiker kid right? thats how him and the two other people got brought in so late.

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Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:15PM

what do you think will happen to the taylor gibson girl? all the other girls in this case seem to be getting much more reasonable non life-ending sentences.

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Posted by: true ()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:46PM

good question. i also wonder why her case was held out until the bitter end instead of quickly sentenced like the others?


un-fairfax aboveground Wrote:
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> what do you think will happen to the taylor gibson
> girl? all the other girls in this case seem to be
> getting much more reasonable non life-ending
> sentences.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Indaknow ()
Date: May 21, 2009 01:02PM

Richter was Zuiker's girlfriend. And, true, she introduced others to heroin connections. And yes, she was busted in her car after buying heroin from a dealer's house. I know a lot of good kids...none of them use heroin, let alone sell heroin or other drugs. And Dude...don't kid yourself.

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Posted by: Another parent ()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:46AM

I totally agreed with your assessement.

There are two sides of the story, which I have followed ever since Alicia died. And although her parents tried the rehab route, she was still given the "benefit of the doubt". As a parent myself, I am appalled at their lack of personal responsibility, blaming everybody else but themselves. Their daughter already have issues to begin with when she started the pathway that led her to her untimely death. I feel for them, but at the same time, enough already of the "revenge". They need to move on and stop portraying her as a victim...she was NOT a victim, she had choices and she made the wrong ones. She was not a small child--she was already attending college and hanging out with the wrong crowd. She had a reputation of a party girl....and unfortunately, I concurred with it. Sometimes as parents we try our best, but it is ultimately our children's decisions that we have to live with. It happens in the best of families....It is time to move on and stop their daughter's glorification....she had warts and all, let her rest in peace, and stop the blaming please.

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Posted by: another parent ()
Date: May 22, 2009 11:18AM

Another parent - I was struck by your party girl statement.

I am bothered by the race to popularity at the local high schools, so much of which is involved with one way or another in chasing intoxicants. To many, it turns out to be relatively harmless but at the same time really destructive to a few - and that "few" seems to be growing.

This of course gets so many of us labeled as "square", or "conservative", but it is really a problem.

I can really see why those from outside the suburbs, in lesser circumstances, look askance at our culture and take the view that these kids are not taking advantage of their relative privileges.

And I really think there a lack of principled young men who also lack discipline and mental toughness. Back in the day, men of my generation were taught that they must protect the women that were close to them, which of course did not include plying them with drugs and leaving them to die.

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Posted by: dude ()
Date: May 29, 2009 03:48PM

what happened to anna. im pretty sure she was sentenced today but i cant find any new reports on it

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Posted by: 4 more sentenced ()
Date: May 30, 2009 01:32AM

From 5/30/09 Washington Post:

VIRGINIA

Four Are Sentenced in Heroin Ring

Four Centreville men and women involved in the heroin ring that resulted in four fatal overdoses appeared in federal court in Alexandria this week to be sentenced, and prosecutors said yesterday that the investigation might have cut the number of heroin-linked deaths.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Erik R. Barnett, who headed the conviction of 16 people for heroin use and dealing in western Fairfax County, told U.S. District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema that officials at the state medical examiner's office "are telling us that lives have been saved."

On Thursday, Andrew W. Kacvinsky, 21, who acknowledged buying heroin in Maryland and then reselling it in Centreville, was sentenced to five years in prison.

Yesterday, Kevin J. Zuiker, 21, whom prosecutors called one of the earliest participants and largest dealers, was sentenced to 46 months in prison. Anna L. Richter, 21, who helped link her friends with a Baltimore dealer, was ordered to spend 60 days in work-release. Tayler L. Gibson, 20, who prosecutors said aided one of Centreville's "most prolific heroin dealers," her boyfriend, Joshua R. Quick, and took over his business after his arrest, was sentenced to 30 days of weekend jail time. Quick received 19 years in prison for supplying heroin that killed Alicia Lannes, 19.

-- Tom Jackman

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: the feds are here ()
Date: May 30, 2009 07:56AM

Well by the looks of those sentences, we now can figure out who rolled on the others...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What is love? ()
Date: May 30, 2009 09:00AM

Wow this was hard for some of us to swallow... being that the others got a stiff sentence... and their family wont get to hold/kiss or watch them grow into men...or experience the prime of their life. I find it hard that the ones that was there through all of the addiction day and night gets a slap on the wrist... and said now go and do your minute...while the other rots... God bless America... You go and make a life for yourself... while the others gets 20 years and will never be able to work... and live a normal life because they fell pray to addiction... there is another court... and one day they all will be judged... some harsher than others... Exageration gets you no where... Wonder if the ones that got a slap on the back will think of the ones... that are doing 20 nooooo they will start up new relationships, have holidays with their families... and forget the ones they supposedly loved...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: afds ()
Date: May 30, 2009 01:31PM

obvious sexism in the courtroom. ship the bad boys off to pound me in the ass prison and let the poor little girls go to rehab. fuck that

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Angry ()
Date: May 30, 2009 02:34PM

Th is unbelievable... un fucking believable. Anna Richter gets 60 days work release?????? She introduced half of the guys doing 20 years to dope, and gave them her connections. This judge is immoral, sexist and coldhearted. I knew more than half of the kids involved and Anna was one of the ones with the least reguard for anybody but herself. I dont care if you flip or not, she should still be held responsible. How about introducing Duncan Parker to shooting dope? He overdosed too... who sold him the lethal hit? Oh wait, no one cares because he's not an 18 year old girl with a "picture perfect" family. Anyone who got off easy in this case should feel guilty for the rest of their lives. Everyone played an equal role in this who was charged, I watched it happen from outside of the "ring". Wake up America, stop sending our young men away to rot in a cell. Some rehabilitation. I hope the ones who got off easy turn right back to dope and relapse. Shit, it wouldnt surprise me. If you can get away with it as easy as they did, why not keep it up? This judge is really something else.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
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Date: June 01, 2009 09:10AM

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Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: June 02, 2009 03:26PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> In a lot of instances it doesnt take a lot of
> balls to sell dope, particularly in the burbs
> where anyone who can count money, answer a phone
> and operate a triple beam is in business. As long
> as you're not street dealing or with a really
> ruthless crowd, it's very easy for a woman to
> sling.

Agreed with ya on the leniency thing. Sometimes it sucks being a man, other times it sucks being a woman.

But wouldn't your supplier be potentially ruthless if you forgot to pay up?

As for caring about anyone but yourself ... I imagine by the time you're in addict territory, you stopped doing that a while ago.

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Date: June 02, 2009 09:08PM

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Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: June 03, 2009 09:40AM

WingNut Wrote:
> I've met women who dealt who were conniving,greedy
> cunts and others who were just along for their
> mans ride and money. Fed judges are bound by
> mandatory minimum sentences but prosecutors will
> more often than not offer sweeter deals to
> women,mothers' etc.

Yeah, I suspect the latter type are kept in (or keep themselves in) the dark, cause they don't wanna know where their man is getting their $$$. So I dunno how much info they could give the state or the feds ... but I also suspect the former type will turn coat if community service is dangled in front of them (and sobbing. Lots and lots of sobbing.)

> Supplier could be maybe a little more intimidating
> to a woman, but we're not talking street level. If
> debts arise, they are often worked off, especially
> here in the county. Occasionaly there'll be some
> drug related violence or armed ripoffs, but for
> the most part it just isn't happening around with
> white kids in the burbs, even if they are copping
> in shitholes in DC or B'more. There's a world of
> difference with deals that go on behind closed
> doos and those that happen in the street.

Yeah, plus if you rough up some white kid from the burbs, you run the risk of that kid running to the police -- and who's going to get in more trouble? The white kid whose parents can probably afford a good lawyer and will turn Commonwealth's evidence, or the guy who's dealing in larger amounts of drugs and will (if he's lucky) get a public defender that bothers to stay awake?

I've read about mid-level distributors getting f**ked if they lose a few grand or more of drugs. (Of course for every story of that, there's a few of someone trying to skim a little and then getting caught.) The kingpins want their cash and most folks, period, don't have $5,000 on them. But I'm sure what I read online and in Newsweek, etc. doesn't tell 100% of the story.

Of course, girls have a built-in way of working off such debts, but only if they're hot.

> You're right, they are all probably a really sick
> bunch and put themselves in a lot of harms way
> because they chose to get high. I'm not one of
> your "legalize everything" fools, but I've got a
> certain degree of understanding as I used to be up
> to my eyes in dope games years ago myself. There's
> several dead, several more serving long prison
> terms and maybe one or two guys who really made
> any money or dealt with a sober mind.

I'd like to see pot get legalized or decriminalized. If society becomes a giant screening of Reefer Madness, we know not to legalize other stuff and can try to put as much of the genie back in the bottle as possible. But hey, if that doesn't lead to problems, we can try legalizing other stuff -- let's focus LE operations on the really nasty stuff like meth instead of harassing a bunch of HS and college kids dealing pot to their friends.

I kinda figure it'd be lots of dead people, lots of prisoners, and a few guys who make enough to go legit. I suspect most who did that didn't do much more than pot and beer if even that.

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Posted by: C'view Articles ()
Date: June 04, 2009 10:05PM

The following is one of 5 articles in the 6/4 Centreview on the sentencing last week. There is a specific article on the sentencing of Andrew Kacvinsky (read his article to find out why he was sentenced early and not addressed in the Lannes statement), Tayler Gibson, Anna Richter, and Kevin Zuiker. Angela Aycock is reportedly scheduled for sentencing tomorrow (6/5) and Matthew Megale next Fri (6/12).

Donna Lannes Addresses Three Heroin Dealers
(from Centreview Northern Edition)

Thursday, June 04, 2009

This is the full text of Donna Lannes’s statement to the court:

May 29 sentencing for Anna Richter, Taylor Gibson & Kevin Zuiker:

Thank you Judge Brinkema. Thank you for letting us be a voice for Alicia. We are not only speaking for our family, but for many in our community that have expressed their opinions to us.

Kevin, Taylor and Anna. We do not pretend to know you. But what we are now aware of are the activities to which you have plead guilty. They have had such a tragic and negative impact on our community, and are so far-reaching that the repercussions will unfortunately continue to be felt for years to come. And for many families in the area, they realize it’s not just our family who has been affected. Your actions had permanent consequences for us, but they also have created a horrible interruption in the lives of many.

Taylor,

We remember you. Alicia’s elementary school scrapbook is filled with your pictures together. Too bad you two drifted apart, perhaps you could have found some strength together to avoid the influences that later had such an effect on your lives. We can only imagine how hard your life became after your mother’s illness. I remember, very clearly, Alicia coming home from high school burdened with pity for you. She described your day as filled with tears. It was your birthday and it wasn’t going well. Alicia wished there was something she could do for you. That was the last time we heard your name spoken until August 2007 when we learned you were with Alicia when she overdosed for the first time. When we heard you were with her, we assumed you had been a victim of wrong place, wrong time. Not sweet, little Taylor Gibson. Such talent. I have seen your photographs. You are a brilliant photographer. Taylor ... move past your demons. Believe it or not, this sentence will be a God send to you. Take advantage of life’s opportunities. This sentence is an opportunity. With your plea and subsequent substantial help to the U.S. government, you have begun to renew your life. Continue to point your compass in the right direction and grab on tight, pull yourself up and use those God-given talents you have. Alicia would love to see that.

Anna,

Like Kevin, we never knew you. You seem a respectful person ... also ready to make right a wrong. Prior to your arrest, you had begun treatment. We understand that, initially, you were not a willing participant. That is one significant difference between you and Alicia. She voluntarily sought, accepted and worked hard at treatment the moment she entered The Menninger Clinic. She was not reluctant to give up heroin. She wanted nothing more than to be a "normal" teenager and work on her issues.

We commend you for your achievements in your treatment. But you all need to understand that part of your recovery also depends on your ability to pay your debt to our community for your crimes, for they do not have an excuse. If you are seriously remorseful, then you have begun to grasp the impact your actions have had on its countless victims. It has not just been your life changed.

We know that we cannot allow ourselves exposure to our many ‘what ifs’ because pondering the ‘what ifs’ causes weak spots in the hard shield we now arm ourselves. We need this armor to continue the fight against heroin …. so prevalent in our community. We will never know the answers to our particular ‘what ifs’ anyway ... we were not given the chance to know. But, you all, on the other hand, have been given a wonderful opportunity. You have been given life. Simply by living …. simply by existing ... allows you time. Living in rehab Anna, has given you time ... time away from heroin. Your parents have given you time ... away from co-conspirators. We are all given a legal system that enables you to pay your debt to society, then freedom once again, to make better decisions. You will enjoy time filled with memories.

You seem like you have begun to understand that whatever brought you to heroin in the first place, has to be dealt with. Whether that be immaturity, peer pressure, abuse, money ... whatever …. you have been given the beautiful opportunity of time to reconsider your actions. You all can arm yourself with a shield of hope and strength to fight this and win. You have already begun the fight ... it is our dream, along with many in this community that you keep fighting. With every step you take in the right direction ... we allow ourselves to ponder our ‘what ifs’ and the freedom to revel ... for just a moment …. in the wonderful dreams we had for Alicia and the dreams she had for herself. You are living proof that there can be answers to some of the ‘what ifs’ and understand that in a ‘round about way, you give us the answers to some of our ‘what ifs’. Believe it or not, you give us hope.

We cannot begin to express how hard it has been to keep Alicia in the forefront of this investigation. We have said from the beginning ... it has only been to save lives. You are an example of that effort. You are what we pray for every night. A child saved to enjoy life’s blessings. It is our promise that Alicia’s struggles on this earth with rape and substance abuse can and will be used for good. She wanted to make a difference in this world and you can be a sample of that. You are still here. You are still young and strong. Continue to empower yourself with all that is good. You can make a difference. Read Psalm 37. May it lead you to redemption and bring you hope and peace.

And finally …Grief is a terrible emotion. Of course we wish Alicia were here today. We miss her everyday. She was a most unique young lady, with a wonderful spirit of forgiveness. It has been an enormous tragedy for everyone that she is gone. We have moved past the feeling of imagining her walking through our front door. When that feeling left us ... it was like we lost her all over again, like another part of her was taken from us. We will continue to adjust to a life that has to be lived without her.

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Posted by: What is love? ()
Date: June 05, 2009 01:20PM

Wow the other ones got go to jail do not pass go do not collect 200.00 / Ask this question...


What would Alicia do?

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Date: June 09, 2009 11:17AM

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Nearly Four Years Prison for Zuiker

By Bonnie Hobbs
Thursday, June 04, 2009


Before Centreville’s Kevin Zuiker was sentenced Friday to nearly four years in prison for conspiring to distribute 100 grams or more of heroin, U.S. Attorney Daniel Grooms requested a sentence of 46-57 months.

"He was a drug dealer in the truest sense — selling drugs for profit," said Grooms. "He was only stopped when he was arrested [in May 2008] and prosecuted in Fairfax County. This wasn’t a person selling because of his own addiction, but [mainly] selling and also using. The harm caused here is immense; the need to deter is incredible."

In a sentencing document submitted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Grooms, Erik Barnett and Lauren Wetzler, the prosecutors stated that Zuiker’s involvement in the heroin ring ran from summer 2006 through May 2008, making him "one of the conspiracy’s earliest and longest-running participants. He was also among the largest distributors of heroin — acknowledging that he distributed 400-700 grams of heroin."

In 2006 and 2007, Zuiker regularly went from Centreville to Waldorf, Md., with Angela Aycock, Andrew Kacvinsky or Anna Richter to buy heroin from Antonio Harper. Zuiker bought some 10 grams of heroin per week from Harper for about a year, and he and Kacvinsky sold it in Centreville.

In December 2007, when Harper stopped selling to people from Centreville, Zuiker started purchasing heroin in Baltimore from a source he met through Richter. He kept buying about 10 grams of heroin per week in Baltimore through May 2008.

In addition, wrote the prosecutors, "On January 2007, he supplied Richter with approximately 100 Klonopin pills for her to sell on her college campus. Then on Dec. 30, 2008, Zuiker was convicted in Fairfax County Circuit Court of possession with intent to distribute 1,300 Xanax pills.

But, countered defense attorney Stuart Sears, "Despite his actions, Kevin is a decent young man — kind, honest and truly sorry for what he’s done. He knows it’s a defining moment in his life and [that] the actions of the Lannes family, law enforcement and the courts saved his life."

Calling Zuiker "out of control," the past three years, Sears said, "The worse things became for him, the more he turned to drugs — mistakenly believing they’d help him deal with things better." He asked for a 36-month sentence, noting Zuiker "has 20 years to be on good behavior from Fairfax County" because of his suspended sentence for Xanax distribution. He wanted that sentence run concurrently with the federal punishment and asked that Zuiker be housed in the Butner, N.C., facility because of its drug-treatment program.

Then Zuiker apologized to "everyone I sold drugs to, my family and the community. I’m unhappy with my past choices and decisions, and happy for a second chance. Fear and depression fueled my use of drugs. [It] was so rampant, I believed suicide was better than living out my life that way. Being clean and sober has helped me regain my passion, motivation and desires. This situation was my wakeup call, and I’ll have plenty of time to change my life and become a productive citizen."

Judge Leonie Brinkema noted that Zuiker’s just 21 and suffers from "significant and genuine" mental-health issues and depression, aggravated by drugs and alcohol. "You were clearly more of a dealer than just a user," she told him. "But your record is not as bad as some of the other defendants."

She then sentenced him to 46 months in prison, running concurrently with his Fairfax sentence, and said she’d recommend he go to Butner for mental-health treatment and its 500-hour, intensive addictions program. Brinkema also placed him on five years supervised release and ordered him to have no contact with any of the co-defendants. He’s also to maintain full-time education or employment, she told him, because "You’re articulate and have a lot of potential."

Nice... kid that starts the drug usage...walks

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Posted by: parent ()
Date: June 09, 2009 11:18AM

Richter: 60 Days for Heroin Distribution

By Bonnie Hobbs
Thursday, June 04, 2009


Facing a potential two-year stint in prison, Centreville’s Anna Richter instead received 60 days community confinement, with work release, so she may continue the progress she’s made to free herself of her heroin addiction.

In January, she pleaded guilty in federal court to conspiracy to distribute 100 grams or more of heroin. But in a court document filed last week, Assistant U.S. Attorneys Daniel Grooms, Lauren Wetzler and Erik Barnett wrote that Richter acknowledged actually distributing 400-700 grams, from approximately June 2007 through March 2008.

When Richter, 20, returned to U.S. District Court in Alexandria, last Friday, May 29, for sentencing, Wetzler requested she receive a 50-percent reduction of the 46-57-month federal-guideline sentence because of her cooperation with the authorities. She said Richter kept the Centreville heroin conspiracy "flourishing" by introducing the young dealers to a new heroin source when their local one dried up.

"She’s made laudable and impressive strides in addressing her addiction and reclaiming her life," said Wetzler. "But she caused tremendous damage to others and there still is a debt to be paid."

In their document, the prosecutors called Richter one of the earliest users and distributors of heroin among the Centreville co-conspirators. "After meeting a supply source through her then-boyfriend Kevin Zuiker, the defendant personally introduced Angela Aycock and others to heroin," they wrote. "While away at college, [Richter] developed a source for heroin in Baltimore. In fall 2007, she introduced David Schreider, J.R. Quick, Tayler Gibson and others to [that] source when Antonio Harper, the group’s Washington, D.C. source, stopped selling to them."

However, the attorneys also noted Richter’s "substantial assistance in the investigation and prosecution of other members of the ring. Richter provided critical information about the origins of the conspiracy in 2005 and 2006. Prior to [her] cooperation, the government had very little information about Zuiker, Aycock and Andrew Kacvinsky, and the role they played in the conspiracy prior to Schreider and Quick’s involvement."

In court Friday, defense attorney Jim Clark’s voice broke as he said, "This is a difficult case. Anyone listening can’t help but say, ‘This could be my kid.’"

But he didn’t have to proceed further because Judge Leonie Brinkema stepped in and finished things, saying Richter, "more than any other defendant I’ve seen so far, has made extraordinary strides in kicking her addiction. She’s been working full-time for six months, and her supervisor wrote a glowing letter about her. So what is the point of yanking her out when she’s made such strides and is in a successful treatment program?"

Brinkema said Richter had no tragic events in her past, nor any mental-health issues, and came from a strong family. Sometimes, said the judge, "Teens get involved in [the wrong] group. It doesn’t excuse it, though. The most important issue is to make sure they don’t get involved in drugs again."

Clark said Richter’s been in rehabilitation in a place in Florida where there’s a "tremendous support system" for former drug users. Then Richter addressed the court.
"My heart goes out to the Lannes family, and [I’m grateful] for the gift of sobriety and recovery that’s been given to me," she said. "I try to help other women in the program; I make amends through what I do in my daily life. I know what it’s like to be on the dark side and I never want to go back there again."

Brinkema then sentenced her to 60 days community confinement with work release, plus five years supervised release, participation in drug-treatment tests and programs, and full-time employment or education. Richter must also perform 200 hours of community service, warning young people of the dangers of drugs. She must also have no contact with the co-defendants.

Afterward, Richter’s father said the family was "too emotional to comment" on the outcome, but their relief was obvious, as he and his wife and daughter stood outside the courtroom together in a long and tearful group hug.

Heroin victim Alicia Lannes’s father, Greg Lannes, speaking on behalf of him and his wife Donna, said they’re proud Tayler Gibson and Richter can make new beginnings and have so far been successful in changing their lives.

"All the individuals in this Centreville drug ring have had their lives saved, not to mention [those who’ve] been spared by breaking up this ring," he said. "Let's hope the seeds this ring has planted in our community do not take root [from those] still on heroin who may turn to distribution to feed their addictions. Donna and I want to continue to bring drug awareness in our community to help prevent this from happening. Our dream is that Alicia's tragedy will, in the end, be a positive impact to our community."

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Posted by: parent ()
Date: June 09, 2009 11:18AM

Great one that leads all the kids to the drug dealers gets 60 days

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Posted by: parent ()
Date: June 09, 2009 11:19AM

Four More in Heroin Ring Are Sentenced
Gibson: 30 Days for Dealing Drugs

By Bonnie Hobbs
Thursday, June 04, 2009


Tayler Gibson’s attorney asked that she be sentenced to a year and a day in prison for selling heroin, and Assistant U.S. Attorney Erik Barnett argued for 15 months. In the end, though, she received just 30 days — to be served on weekends.

In a sentencing document, Assistant U.S. Attorneys Daniel Grooms, Lauren Wetzler and Erik Barnett explained that Gibson was part of the Centreville-based heroin ring and the girlfriend of J.R. Quick, "one of Centreville’s most prolific heroin dealers." She drove him and others to Washington, D.C., so they could buy heroin from Antonio Harper.

When Quick was jailed in April 2008, Gibson took over his customer base and bought heroin in Baltimore for resale in Centreville. She continued selling heroin until August 2008. On Jan. 16, Gibson pleaded guilty to conspiracy to distribute 100 grams or more of heroin. However, wrote the attorneys, she admitted that, "from approximately June 2007 through November 2008, she was personally involved in the distribution of 400-700 grams of heroin."

They also noted that she provided "substantial assistance" in the investigation and prosecution of the co-defendants and spoke with authorities "well before anyone was charged federally." Friday morning, May 29, in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Gibson was sentenced.

At the outset, Barnett said, "We are not in the revenge business, yet we seek from the court justice. The medical examiner’s office told me recently there’s been a lull in the number of heroin-overdose deaths since we began this process. A lull means lives were saved, and that is general deterrence."

He said Gibson deserved credit for stopping her drug using and selling after Fairfax County police targeted her in August 2008, and he appreciated her help providing information about "the players and manner of operation of the conspiracy." But he said prison was appropriate for her because "she engaged in a serious crime and … became a good dealer."

Defense attorney Greg Beckwith said his client was a Brownie, Girl Scout, field hockey and soccer player and member of Young Life, and a "wonderful photographer." And, he added, "When Alicia Lannes was first hospitalized [for a heroin overdose], Tayler drove the lead car to take her there."

When Gibson was 15, her mother had a brain bleed and was in a rehabilitation hospital for a year so, said Beckwith, Gibson had "relaxed supervision. I don’t think she had the willpower to say no to friends like J.R. Quick." Although she "went astray for 14 months," Beckwith said she’s received comprehensive addiction treatment since last August and is employed.

"Tayler Gibson is salvageable," said Beckwith. "Mike Cantrell, a prior juvenile probation officer, referred her to me. He said she’s pulled herself up and persevered; and from the day I met her, she’s come a long way." He requested that she serve at least half her sentence in home confinement, and then Gibson stood and addressed the court.

"I’m grateful for the opportunity to change my life," she said. "I’ve learned so much about myself and addiction and want to be the best person I can be. I’ve made horrid decisions that affected people, and I’m sorry for that."

In response, Judge Leonie Brinkema said Gibson’s case was an ideal one for a work-release sentence. "An important part of rehabilitation is for the defendant to have regular contact with civilian treatment programs, which are better than prison programs," she explained. "This is a 20-year-old defendant who suffered a personal tragedy as a young adolescent, but turned her life around."

Addressing Gibson, Brinkema said, "You’ve worked a significant amount of months. Incarceration would mean you’ll lose employment and contact with civilian drug-treatment programs." The judge then sentenced her to 30 days in prison, to be served on weekends, plus five years supervised released. Gibson must also continue drug treatment, as well as any mental-health treatment her probation officer requires.

"Because your story would be helpful to many others, I’ll also sentence you to 200 hours community service," said Brinkema. "You’ll provide drug education for young people so they’ll understand how easy it is to get hooked and what can happen to them."

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: parent ()
Date: June 09, 2009 11:23AM

This one here is the winner... You may now start your family... while the others pull a sentence that is life altering... thanks again to all these kids that get to go home... after a short stint... and just maybe they will pray and ask for forgiveness... for their exagerations... and lies... Today will be my last day reading up on this case... I will focus my energy somewhere that deserves it... If only people knew... oh well to late know... May God walk with the ones that lives are truely paying for an addiction that was brought on and continued by the ones that walk free... congradulations... to you all that walk free... think once in awhile of the ones...that didnt get so lucky... if your not to busy...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: bs ()
Date: June 09, 2009 12:33PM

Wow this is really a new twist, saying how sorry you are AFTER you get caught. Lets see where everybody is a year from now and see how "salvagible" they really are. I have a pretty good idea what choices they will make

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ???!! ()
Date: June 09, 2009 10:00PM

When does that Skylar punk get sentenced?

Did I read 40 years?

He'll be ready to go on Social Security (if it still exists) when he gets out.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: concerned4the young ()
Date: June 10, 2009 04:07AM

what about the christopher leibowitz guy?
is he in any way shape or form involved with
these people?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What? ()
Date: June 10, 2009 11:11AM

Not taking up for Skyler but lets see who got him started... Whooooops...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: crazy ()
Date: June 10, 2009 03:35PM

there is something askew in our legal system when a suspected terrorist only gets 15 years, but a small-time druggie from a white-collar family gets 40. send the druggies to rehab and give the terrorists 40 years to life.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: wondering ()
Date: June 13, 2009 09:16AM

Has anyone heard what happened with Matt Megale's sentencing yesterday?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Indaknow ()
Date: June 15, 2009 11:33PM

Megale got 12 months and a day imprisonment and 6 years supervised release.

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Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 16, 2009 07:47AM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dude ()
Date: June 16, 2009 03:33PM

Think he can qualify for time served and up to 50% of the sentence can be served with at home detention or other considerations.

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Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 16, 2009 11:05PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: interesting ()
Date: June 17, 2009 10:11AM

WingNut - this is morbid, but is there a more interesting application of game theory than with prosecution of drug conspiracies? Those that agree to cooperate early usually do better, but in making the decision to cooperate one must really intuit what kind of penalties they are facing. And there are any number of plus factors (e.g. women often getter treated differently) that can come into play.

Something is really wrong, though. Over 40 years for one, and 30 days for another?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What? ()
Date: June 17, 2009 12:06PM

I try very hard to stop reading Subject...but I just find that if so many people think about it they would realize how someone could get a slap on the wrist and then the others are pulling major time... come on ask these kids did they play sports...yes... ask them would they go to drug treatment... yes... they would...they just wasnt given enough time... the police were on them like crazy...they couldnt even pull out of there homes to go to a meeting...

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Re: need to build a sonic in the area
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Date: June 17, 2009 03:51PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Megale Details ()
Date: June 18, 2009 11:35PM

From today's Centreview:

Year in Prison for Matt Megale

By Bonnie Hobbs
Thursday, June 18, 2009

Friends and family of Virginia Run’s Matt Megale, 18, were hoping he’d receive the same leniency shown recently to Centreville heroin-distributors Tayler Gibson and Anna Richter. On May 29 in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, they were sentenced to 30 and 60 days in jail, respectively.

But both cooperated with the prosecution early in the investigation of those involved in the drug ring, and they’re already deep into their substance-abuse rehabilitation programs. Megale, though, still has a long way to go, and for that reason, he was sentenced Friday in federal court to a year and a day in prison.

Even that amount of time was less than the 15-21 months incarceration sought by Assistant U.S. District Attorney Erik Barnett. And when all is said and done, there’s still no guarantee Megale will be able to beat his own addiction and stay on the straight and narrow.

"Only you can keep yourself clean," U.S. District Court Judge Leonie Brinkema warned him.

On March 24, Megale pleaded guilty to distributing heroin to a person under 21. He also acknowledged that, from January 2008 through Jan. 29 of this year, he distributed heroin on a regular basis.

Four people died from heroin overdoses as a result of the drug ring’s actions. One was Alicia Lannes, 19, of Centreville. Yet her death failed to deter any of the dealers from getting other young men and women hooked on heroin.

"On March 8, 2008, three days after Alicia Lannes died, the defendant sold heroin to a girl who, like him, was 17," said Barnett at Megale’s June 12 sentencing. "She overdosed, was hospitalized and survived — and she and her mother are in the courtroom today. She overdosed because she ingested heroin after getting it from the defendant."

Barnett said that, by that time — and throughout that summer — Megale had become a "reliable" heroin dealer. The argument’s been made, said Barnett, that the 17-year-old’s overdose was "her fault," because she chose to use heroin of her own, free will.

"But Mr. Megale sold heroin to an immature and unstable drug addict, and we can’t excuse that conduct," said the prosecutor. "True, he stayed with her, provided support and called 911 — but he also provided the dangerous situation [in the first place]."

FURTHERMORE, he said, Megale’s already been "rewarded" for helping the girl. Said Barnett: "The government had the ability last year to ask the court to transfer Mr. Megale to a mandatory, 20-year minimum [sentencing status] and we did not."

And once again, someone’s overdose did nothing to prevent Megale from using and distributing heroin. Authorities say that, after turning 18 in January — thus becoming liable for prosecution as an adult — he continued selling heroin to five more people under age 21.

In a Jan. 30 affidavit, FBI Special Agent Bryan Wilhite wrote that, on Jan. 24, a person directed by law enforcement gave Megale $80 to purchase heroin for him, which Megale did, from his Washington, D.C., supplier.

Afterward, authorities stopped their vehicle and found Megale in possession of that heroin. Wilhite wrote that Megale actually admitted purchasing $200 worth of heroin that day from the same source from which he’d bought heroin on "at least three prior occasions" in January.

"When he continued to pool money with people and sell heroin in 2009, he knew the government was investigating him — and yet he continued," said Barnett. "Nothing really stopped him." That’s why, he said, the best place for Megale has been the Alexandria jail, where he’s been incarcerated since January.

"He filled the void created by the arrests of [now-convicted heroin dealers] Quickly, Nash, Schreider and Gibson and became a regular dealer," said Barnett. He said authorities arrested Megale in January because "We could not delay and allow another young person to suffer — or to have Mr. Megale, at age 18, clearly face a 20-year, mandatory-minimum sentence."

BUT DEFENSE ATTORNEY Fred Sinclair said Megale was a victim too because he was also addicted to heroin. He said Megale’s local source overdosed and died, but Megale and two others still pooled their money to buy heroin and share it among themselves. He also noted that Megale didn’t drive, so others drove him to the District for the purchases.

Regarding Megale’s continuing to deal heroin after becoming his client, Sinclair said, "Frankly, he let me down, and his parents and I believed he should sit in the Alexandria jail and consider his misdeeds." Earlier, said Sinclair, Megale’s parents sent him to an expensive treatment facility which was for behavior modification, but "didn’t treat his addiction. So when he came out, he used Oxycodone and heroin."

Sinclair said Megale completed a 10-week, substance-abuse course in jail, obtained his GED and was a jail trustee. "There’s a redemptive quality to him," said the attorney. "At 14, he switched peers, nosedived and went downhill." Sinclair then asked Judge Brinkema to "temper justice with mercy" and sentence Megale to just 12 months and a day.

He said Megale’s parents want to move to New York, where their son would be placed into a Catholic facility, Hope House, "to address his addiction and the psychological problems that led to it. It’s a one-year, inpatient treatment, so he won’t begin his mainstream life until that’s done."

"There’s a job waiting for him, and community college," added Sinclair. "so plans are afoot to turn Matthew’s life around, but the only one who can do it is Matthew. Beginning at age 14, he used marijuana, then ecstasy, cocaine and heroin. [But] he’s gotten a cold dose of reality in jail."

MEGALE THEN STOOD and addressed the court. "Poor choices led me to this point," he said. "It’s hurt not only myself, but the ones closest to me, my family — especially my little sister and my mother. I take full responsibility and I will overcome this, one way or another."

Brinkema said the most difficult part of her job is sentencing young offenders. "Do you give them a hard hit, the first time, or give them a break," she asked. She then spoke directly to Megale.

"The fact that you continued to be involved in heroin after the investigation began and your parents had hired you an attorney — and you continued to associate with these people and use drugs — is an indicator that the lesson hasn’t been learned," said Brinkema.

However, she also noted the number of letters she’d received on Megale’s behalf, how his problems had adversely affected his mother’s health and that his wheelchair-bound sister "depends upon" him. The judge was also pleased with how well he’d behaved in jail.

"So I’m going to take a chance on you," said Brinkema. "But ultimately, it’s on your shoulders."

She then imposed a sentence of one year and one day, plus credit for time already served, and placed Megale on six years supervised release. She also advised him that she’ll maintain jurisdiction over his probation, so "If you get in trouble in New York, you’ll come back to this court. That means no violations of law, including traffic laws."

Megale must remain drug-free, submit to regular drug testing and complete whatever drug and mental-health treatment his probation officer recommends. And he must maintain full-time education or employment because, Brinkema told him, "You need lots of structure in your life for the next few years."

She also said she’d recommend he be incarcerated in the Federal Correctional Institution camp in Cumberland, Md., so he could participate in its 50-hour drug-treatment program.

Afterward, outside the courtroom, Sinclair said, "I got what I asked for; I was quite happy with the result."

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: dumb ()
Date: June 22, 2009 06:27PM

Something that is really ridiculous is that there were undercover agents on this case for a while AND DID NOTHING AS PEOPLE WERE DIEING. If anything the FEDs are to blame as well for not stepping in sooner. Plus they were just stacking up the charges just to screw people over.

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Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 22, 2009 09:15PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: June 23, 2009 03:28PM

WingNut Wrote:
> I've always wondered about the logic of the
> "ungoing investigations" that involve multiple
> undercover purchases before the seller is
> arrested. If a DEA agent makes a felony purchase
> of a deadly drug like heroin or crack, but does
> not arrest the seller on the spot, he is basically
> allowing someone he knows to sell poison to go
> free. I don't think anyone who had a relative who
> dies in this period has a legal leg to stand on
> though, as all parties are involved in an illegal
> act.
>
> The feds and local task forces could be forced to
> follow an administrative directive that requires
> the immediate arrest after a felony dope sale.
> Maybe they've done the research on it already, I'd
> like to hear the rationale.

I guess in some cases they might be going after 'bigger fish.' How much would they need to create a 100% airtight case against a dealer? I just watched the episode of The Sopranos where Adriana tried to make Christopher flip.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: J Webb ()
Date: June 23, 2009 06:41PM

The above post demonstrates why we have so many ignorant posts about law enforcement on this site, every dipshit who has watched a police TV series is an instant authority on all aspect of police behavior,,,, ,

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Re: need to build a sonic in the area
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: June 23, 2009 08:29PM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: June 24, 2009 03:02PM

J Webb Wrote:
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> The above post demonstrates why we have so many
> ignorant posts about law enforcement on this
> site, every dipshit who has watched a police TV
> series is an instant authority on all aspect of
> police behavior,,,, ,

Do tell the 'real story' then. Or are you just a dipshit that doesn't need to watch police TV to know everything?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: always trenchant ()
Date: June 24, 2009 04:45PM

I find WingNut's posts consistently spot on.

I would think there are circumstances where law enforcement would want multiple buys for very legitimate reasons, although one could argue whether the strategy is fair.

Multiple, documented buys certainly could be a plus in a RICO case, where agents are using that law to take down criminal enterprises and their structure. Multiple predicate acts would be helpful.

On the other hand, I understand WingNut's point. Most drug busts are not RICO cases, and it does appear to be a form of piling on with multiple buys.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: June 25, 2009 09:21AM

WingNut Wrote:
> The Sopranoes is a well written show with good
> characters, but like "Oz" it's a work of fiction
> and they do things for script expediency you may
> never see (or wait a long time to see) in real
> life.
>
> Going after the bigger fish is always the reason
> given for the multiple buys, but if the narcs
> follow their rules of procedure for a controlled
> buy ( search the snitch before sending him in,
> don't let him out of sight, tape everything) they
> really don't need to buy again and again. They
> only do it so they can run up the charges on the
> accused.

Thanks for the more polite response, complete with 'correct answer.'

I guess the 'piling on' allows the po-po to scare the small fish even more (I guess they think doing 20 to 30 will scare the small fish more than doing 2 to 3).

There might be a chance you could catch multiple medium or big fish, but I'd imagine a lot of that would occur *after* you turn the small fish Queen's Evidence. Again, no need to run up the charges and do multiple.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What? ()
Date: June 25, 2009 10:44AM

I think that kids lost their lives and alot of people lost their kids to severe addiction and long term prison sentences for waiting around...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Moe lester ()
Date: July 07, 2009 08:47AM

What hAppened to jr

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What? ()
Date: July 07, 2009 01:39PM

You tell me...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: July 07, 2009 03:00PM

Moe lester Wrote:
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> What hAppened to jr

he got 19 years. hes livin it up in federal pound me in the ass prison

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What? ()
Date: July 07, 2009 03:03PM

Doesnt take but a few people to blame it all on you... and you will be underground as well...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: July 07, 2009 03:12PM

jr got caught selling heroin 3 times. id say it was his own fault. now some of the other people yeah they got narced on for what amounts to little involvement so anna and the other girls could save themselves.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What? ()
Date: July 07, 2009 03:23PM

Did you know these kids? Sounds like you did... I think you should read on the little involvement... for the girls...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: July 07, 2009 04:07PM

i said the girls WERE involved. read all the articles. that judge said that the anna girl was one of the most involved of any. i said they were getting off because the testified.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What? ()
Date: July 07, 2009 04:19PM

If you read what you said Little involvement... so if you would read the articles... you would see that one of the girls... turned the boys on to the drug dealer... the other was a girl friend... that was with her boyfriend all the time and got no time... those are the main two I am talking about without their names... guess who they are?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What? ()
Date: July 07, 2009 04:23PM

No more reply from me...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Bonner Sentence ()
Date: July 09, 2009 11:25PM

From Centreview:

Bonner Sentenced: Lied to Heroin Grand Jury

By Bonnie Hobbs
Thursday, July 09, 2009

Michael Jonathan Bonner was sentenced last week to six months and four days for lying to a federal grand jury regarding the actions of someone involved with the Centreville-based heroin ring. Bonner, 19, of Centreville, was asked where Skylar Schnippel purchased the heroin on March 4, 2008 that proved fatal to 19-year-old Alicia Lannes, also of Centreville.

According to his signed statement of facts, Bonner led the grand jury to believe Schnippel bought it from J.R. Quick when, in fact, he’d purchased it from Daniel Nash. Therefore, stated the prosecuting attorneys, Bonner "intentionally withheld truthful information and provided false and misleading testimony."

Last Thursday, July 2, Bonner was ordered to spend July 2-5 in jail, followed by six months home confinement. Nash and Quick have already been sentenced in connection with the heroin-distribution conspiracy and their roles in Lannes’s death. On Feb. 27, in federal court, Nash was given 20 years in prison, and Quick, 19 years.

Schnippel stood trial, May 4-5, in U.S. District Court in Alexandria and was found guilty of heroin distribution resulting in Lannes’s death, plus other charges. He’s scheduled for sentencing, July 24, by Judge Leonie Brinkema.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: truth in sentencing not ()
Date: July 10, 2009 09:13AM

Ill bet Bonner , Richter and Gibson will never try that stuff again with those tough sentences.They really learned a lesson, crime does pay.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: scottydfl422 ()
Date: July 11, 2009 07:14PM

What? Wrote:
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> Did you know these kids?


I knew JR and Skylar when they were about 12, 13 years old.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Big Sentences Coming... ()
Date: July 13, 2009 05:21PM

We're heading into the home stretch on the sentencing for these cases. 13 "kids" (18-23 years old) received 30 days to 20 years for their involvement in the heroin activity in our community (average sentence was 5 years per arrest). 2 "kids" and 1 "adult" are waiting or have not been reported on for final sentences. Specifically, the missing sentences belong to:

- Antonio Harper (33 yr old dealer - NOT from Centreville) is scheduled to be sentenced on Friday (7/17). He is reported to be facing 15 years to life.

- Skylar Schnippel (19 at arrest) is scheduled to be sentenced the following Friday (7/24). He is reported to be facing 50 years to life.

- Angela Aycock (19 at arrest) was scheduled to be sentenced a month ago (5-40 years), but nothing has been reported (status, anyone?).

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: illeagle ()
Date: July 17, 2009 03:04PM

Obviously they're not trying to rack up the charges for individual dealers... they are doing the same crime again and again...any additional charges will come in the way of finding out their source.

The DEA is not primarily concerned with small-time dealers, they're concerned with the big time distributors. Once they find out where the small-time dealers are getting their product that's when they will make the bust on everyone involved. Often times the people who get ff easiest are the informants who let them on the inside to get more information.

If you step back and take a look at the big picture of the situation, you'll see that they're helping more communities by busting the big distributors than by busting one small ring of dealers which typically effects one smaller community. It's "for the greater good."

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: centre villain ()
Date: July 17, 2009 03:15PM

Big Sentences Coming... Wrote:
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> - Angela Aycock (19 at arrest) was scheduled to
> be sentenced a month ago (5-40 years), but nothing
> has been reported (status, anyone?).


i dont know much more about it but i do know she recently got let off house arrest that she had been on since her arrest. maybe they're dropping her charges?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dude ()
Date: July 17, 2009 04:27PM

Harper was sentenced to 26 years this morning for selling between 30-60 Kl of Heroin.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Harper Sentence ()
Date: July 17, 2009 06:00PM

From washingtonpost.com:

Supplier of Fairfax Heroin Ring Gets 26-Year Sentence
Friday, July 17, 2009 3:54 PM

One of the main suppliers of a western Fairfax County heroin ring was sentenced Friday to more than 26 years in prison, after admitting that he dealt between 10 and 30 kilograms of heroin -- or up to 300,000 individual doses -- during a two-year period ending last year.

Antonio L. Harper, 33, of Waldorf was one of the original sources for a group of teenage heroin addicts from the Centreville area, who took turns driving into the District or Maryland to buy heroin from Harper, multiple members said. Four of the young people involved in the ring died of heroin overdoses, and another 15 were arrested on various federal drug charges beginning in November.

Harper was the fourth person to receive a sentence of 19 years or more. The other three defendants to receive long sentences pleaded guilty to distributing heroin that resulted in the death of one of their friends. The only defendant to not plead guilty, Skylar M. Schnippel, 20, was convicted at trial in May on the charge of distribution resulting in death, involving the fatal overdose of his girlfriend, 19-year-old Alicia Lannes. He faces a minimum 20-year term at his sentencing next Friday.

-- Tom Jackman

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dude ()
Date: July 18, 2009 09:02AM

Sorry about the mistake on my post yesterday regarding the qty involved regarding Harper.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Smacky ()
Date: July 20, 2009 12:12PM

She was dumb enough to buy the herion and use it. Completely her fault.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: fear the hole ()
Date: July 23, 2009 03:23PM

Heard Snipple is being sentenced tomorrow, hope he has a great dinner tonight, for the next 20 years it will be maggot mush

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Harper Sentence Details ()
Date: July 23, 2009 09:32PM

From Centreview:

26 Years, 8 Months Prison for Harper
He supplied heroin to Centreville ring.

By Bonnie Hobbs
Thursday, July 23, 2009

The federal sentencing guidelines for conspiring to distribute one kilogram or more of heroin call for 235-293 months in prison. But in the case of Antonio Harper, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Daniel Grooms, "Were there no guidelines, I believe a life sentence would be appropriate."

"Since age 11, he’s been involved in drug distribution, and he’s had convictions since age 15," said the prosecutor, last Friday in federal court. "The conduct in this case is incredible, the behavior, egregious, and the harm, tremendous."

In the end, U.S. District Court Judge Leonie Brinkema agreed, sentencing Harper to 19 years, eight months for the drug charge, plus a mandatory seven years for possessing a firearm in furtherance of a drug-trafficking crime, for 26 years, eight months incarceration total.

Harper, 34, of Waldorf, Md., pleaded guilty to both offenses, April 21. He was the major supplier of the Centreville-based heroin ring and told the court that, during drug deals, he often kept a .45-caliber handgun in his car or on his person. And when the weapon wasn’t tucked into his waistband, he said, "I just had it within arm’s reach."

In a court document, Grooms and fellow prosecutors Lauren Wetzler and Erik Barnett wrote that, while Harper supplied the young, Centreville heroin addicts, the ring grew from a few users making individual trips to Washington, D.C., to obtain heroin for their own use to "a wide-ranging conspiracy involving multiple levels of distribution and near-daily heroin transactions involving several grams of heroin at a time."

Harper said he’d personally distributed 10-30 kilograms of heroin during the course of this conspiracy — which the prosecutors called "astounding when one considers he was dealing primarily in individual, .1 gram bags of heroin. In sum, he was personally responsible for placing between 100,000 and 300,000 bags of heroin into the hands of addicts in Virginia and elsewhere."

They further stated that Harper had ongoing sexual relationships with many of the women, ages 17-21, coming to him for drugs. They told investigators he’d bring them up to his apartment alone and sell or give them heroin after they’d had sex with him.

"He took sexual advantage of young women — some of them minors," Grooms said in court. "And this makes his conduct worse."

Basically, he said, Harper’s a career criminal. "For 22 years, he’s engaged in nothing but criminal activities involving firearms, violent conduct and assaulting his pregnant girlfriend — both with a gun and by punching her in the face and breaking her nose," said Grooms. "The only time he wasn’t doing criminal activities was the four years he was in prison."

Harper had two drug convictions before turning 18 in 1993. Following his second assault on his girlfriend, in May 1998, he was convicted of obstruction of justice, burglary, assault, threats and assault with a deadly weapon — and these offenses landed him in prison.

DURING THE 1990S, he was charged and/or arrested 14 other times. And since 1993, he’s been convicted of criminal offenses on seven different occasions. Harper’s 2003 cocaine-possession conviction involved a loaded handgun and evidence of crack cocaine distribution.

"He is not willing to lead a law-abiding life," wrote the prosecutors in their sentencing document. "The defendant has proven himself irredeemable, [and] the harm caused by his conduct is immeasurable."

At Harper’s July 17 sentencing, Grooms requested he serve some 31 years, five months total for his latest offenses. "He engaged in massive amounts of drug dealing and put hundreds of thousands of bags of heroin out on the street," said Grooms. "He sold thousands of bags a week, and his conduct warrants the most serious sentence the court can impose."

But defense attorney Gretchen Taylor said her client didn’t have an easy childhood. "His father was incarcerated and his mother was a substance abuser and wasn’t there for him like she should have been," she said. "He wanted to take care of his sister so, at age 11, he began selling drugs, and both he and his sister became addicted."

Taylor said Harper is bi-polar, but hasn’t obtained treatment, and he was "a daily user of heroin, similar to [his customers]. He was using approximately four grams a day — a huge amount for personal use. His every moment was consumed with how to get heroin. He was a street dealer, helping others get their heroin."

She also noted that he never left the District or Maryland to sell it in Virginia, but is being prosecuted in this state "so he’d get an extraordinarily high sentence." Taylor said Harper used to mentor youth and give back to his community, and she asked for no more than a 20-year sentence.

THEN CENTREVILLE’S Donna Lannes — whose daughter Alicia, 19, died of a heroin overdose in connection with the conspiracy — stood and addressed Harper. "What if there were no repercussions for our actions — no rules, laws or society expectations?" she asked. "That’s the life you lived — no consequences. You lived each day without a thought about the trail of destruction to others."

Lannes said he didn’t hesitate to intimidate or physically abuse people to achieve his goals and he chose his lifestyle. "For that choice — for destroying youth and a peaceful, lawful way of life — you will suffer the consequences," she said. "You will be an example that there is a price to be paid for intentional, diabolical, contemptible actions. Society and our justice system will not tolerate descent into evil. You are the root of this immoral, malignant, sinister evil. You are responsible for death and destruction. You will suffer a sentence of incarceration, and we could not be more relieved."

Then her husband Greg spoke to Harper "on behalf of Alicia and for the countless other victims whose lives you’ve destroyed. Mr. Harper, you are the stone thrown into our community pond — the ripple effect will be felt for years to come. Because you’ve chosen a criminal path, many people in the community will spend years trying to put their lives back together. Your victims are serving time now, in addiction from the terrible drugs you chose to distribute. Unfortunately, they face years of rehabilitation — their lives spinning out of control, financial hardship and, in some cases, there will be deaths still to come."

He said Harper’s proved he cannot be a productive member of society. "Our communities are not safe with you on the streets," Greg Lannes told him. "We hope you find your moral compass and God in the future. May God watch over you, Antonio Harper. But until then, federal prison will be watching over you to protect our kids and our communities."

Harper then apologized for his actions and said he accepted responsibility. Before sentencing him, Judge Brinkema also spoke.

"This is a case involving tragedy — and not only for the Centreville drug addicts," she said. "Mr. Harper also has a tragic background — he never had a chance. But it doesn’t excuse what happened."

"Because of your criminal history and the nature of the crimes, the court has no confidence that you wouldn’t be back on the streets, committing crimes," Brinkema told Harper. "For the protection of the community, a harsh sentence is necessary."

She then sentenced him to 236 months in prison for heroin distribution, plus 84 months for the gun charge. That’s 320 months total, or 26 years, eight months. Harper will also receive intensive drug and mental-health treatment in prison, and his incarceration will be followed by five years supervised release.

Afterward, Greg Lannes called Harper’s arrest, convention and sentencing "a real victory for our community. Fairfax County, the FBI and the U.S. Attorneys Office have worked hard to bring individuals like Antonio Harper to justice. Now a main supplier of heroin to Northern Virginia is behind bars for many years and the head of the snake has been cut off for this particular drug ring."

"Our hope is that the community will continue the drug awareness and vigilance to protect our children going forward," continued Lannes. "Though Harper was a significant supplier, there are other individuals in our community ready to take his place. Local and federal law enforcement has helped our community get a small foothold on this terrible drug issue. However, it will be up to the parents, neighborhoods and community to fight it together in the months and years to come."

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Aycock Sentence ()
Date: July 23, 2009 09:37PM

From Centreview

Aycock Receives 30-Day Sentence: Heroin Dealing

By Bonnie Hobbs
Thursday, July 23, 2009

On Feb. 6, Centreville’s Angela Aycock, 20, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to distribute 100 grams or more of heroin. As a result, she could have received years in prison.

But like Tayler Gibson and Anna Richter — fellow members of the Centreville-based heroin ring — she’s not only cooperated with the prosecution, but has made dramatic changes in her life. For those reasons, Aycock was sentenced Friday, July 17, in U.S. District Court to 30 days in jail.

Although Assistant U.S. Attorney Daniel Grooms said Aycock didn’t help the government to the same extent Gibson and Richter did, defense attorney Jonathan Shapiro called Aycock’s cooperation "full, honest, forthright and very significant." He said the others were approached earlier than her and knew many more people involved in the conspiracy.

Grooms and fellow prosecutors Lauren Wetzler and Erik Barnett wrote in a court document that Aycock was one of the earliest members of the conspiracy. Over an 18-month period from 2006 through 2008, she played an integral role, providing a connection for various members to the ring’s major supplier, Antonio Harper.

"This conspiracy was not hierarchical in nature, but rather, was comprised of a collection of heroin addicts who joined together with the principal purpose of satisfying their own addictions," wrote the prosecutors. "The tragedy of this case is that, in looking after themselves, these defendants provided for dozens of others to follow them down this path of self-destruction. Each time Aycock brought others to Harper so she could get free heroin for herself, she ensured that dozens of bags of heroin would be distributed throughout the Centreville area."

In court, Grooms said Aycock introduced "many, many people" to Harper so she could get heroin from him free or at a reduced price. But, he added, "She made the decision to stop using heroin independently of her prosecution."

Because of Aycock’s "extraordinary rehabilitation and conduct in the past 18 months," Shapiro said she shouldn’t be incarcerated. "She came from a broken home, with a father who was an alcoholic," he said. "Her alcohol use began at age 12, and her drug use, at age 13. At 15, she was introduced to heroin — which, for her, was like giving water to the parched. She was a child and had no tools to turn away from that path."

Nonetheless, he said, "In January 2008 — at age 18 and at rock bottom — she somehow gathered the strength to quit her drug use, on her own. She wasn’t even yet charged, and she has never turned back."

Aycock enrolled in NOVA, got her GED and was invited to teach her peers in a writing course. Shapiro also said her teachers think highly of her.

"The change in her life has been stunning, and she did it herself," he said. "She’s done everything a prison sentence could do for her, and it would do nothing to help what she’s already accomplished. As it is, she’ll bear the cross of this conviction for years, trying to get jobs." Shapiro then asked U.S. District Court Judge Leonie Brinkema for a sentence in line with Gibson’s (30 days) and Richter’s (60 days).

Aycock then stood and addressed the court. "I feel bad for what I did, but I feel so much better now," she said. "But I’m ready to be sentenced so I can take responsibility for what I did."

Brinkema told Aycock her role in the heroin conspiracy wasn’t dissimilar to Gibson’s and Richter’s. Furthermore, said the judge, "You’ve made extraordinary efforts to rehabilitate yourself, and I don’t want to interfere with that. You’re in school and have done positive things, but the case is too serious not to have some consequences."

After ascertaining that NOVA’s next semester begins Aug. 24, Brinkema sentenced Aycock to 30 days in the Alexandria Detention Center, starting immediately. She also placed her on four years supervised release, provided Aycock violates no further laws, remains drug-free and submits to drug testing and drug treatment.

"I believe there are mental-health issues you haven’t yet addressed and would explain why you started using drugs and alcohol at such an early age," added Brinkema. "So you must receive mental-health counseling and treatment. You must also maintain full-time education or employment status, have no contact with the Centreville co-defendants and may not frequent any location where drugs are sold. The court wishes you well."

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Zach Dillon ()
Date: July 23, 2009 11:36PM

Will everyone please stop talking about what they read in the news paper! You should only come here if you knew the people that were involed. Alicia was great and the 19 person to past. RIP. She will be with us forever. (:

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: oh please ()
Date: July 24, 2009 12:25AM

have you noticed that skyler schnippel has like a fan base on fbook for a while? like save skyler schinppel?
oh please.
heroin isn't like those "pussy drugs" like weed. this is the real deal. hopefully he learns his lesson in prison.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: truth in sentencing ()
Date: July 25, 2009 09:34AM

According to todays Wash post he will have 20 years to think about it , what a smuck. Now the clean up arrests will come

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: unbelieveable ()
Date: July 25, 2009 06:39PM

the thing that continues to baffle me is that skylar got MORE time for the drug charges (20 years) than the MAIN supplier of the entire ring! (who got 19 years for the drugs). AND that the girl who brought the very first heroin to centreville (aycock) and was the catalyst for the entire ring, got 30 DAYS. am i missing something here?

it's clear to me that our justice system is askew in that a) the feds focus in on one person who they decide will be their scapegoat (in this case, skylar). b) if you snitch on the scapegoat for them, you will do minimal time, regardless of your true involvement. c) if you're a girl, you are guaranteed to do hardly any time at all. if they really want to get to the root of the drug problem as they say, then why are they focusing on skylar - a suburban kid with a bad addiction and nothing more - instead of whoever was above antonio harper.

i also continue to wonder if the script had been flipped and it was alicia who was still alive and skylar who happened to fatally overdose, would alicia be under fire facing 20 years for the death of her boyfriend? i bet she would be serving a few months at most.

and finally, i think the ultimate injustice here is the lack of owenership the parents are taking for their lack of parenting. they knew their daughter had a serious and deadly heroin problem, yet they allowed her to first get an apartment on her own, and then have a private room in the basement? if my child even so much as tried heroin and i was aware of it, they would be under lock and key in the house under 24/7 supervision until the issue was resolved. meanwhile, skylar's parents WERE watching out for him, checking on him, etc., which is why alicia was the one who did the heroin that night, not skylar. but no, it wasn't alcicia's fault that SHE overdosed and died, somehow it was her boyfriend's fault??

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, and the lannes' need to realize that misdirecting blame and ruining other families lives isn't solving anything. hardcore rehab and intense parental supervision is what these kids have needed from the beginning.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What? ()
Date: July 27, 2009 01:02AM

Unbelievable,

You missed key point here, if you put yourself in rehab and clean you act up before going to court, they cut you some slack. Aycock went into rehab in January 08 and Richter in March 08, long before their were any inkling of a Federal Investigation. Gibson went for rehab in July of 08 after her arrest. Remmington also started in rehab as well and the judge cut some slack as well.

That seems not to matter to you even if someone does hardcore rehab like you state in your last sentence.

Agree that Skylar has been made the scapegoat of this whole thing, plus he lost the love of his life. However misguided their action, he has suffered more than many people will ever understand.

What needs to be stated going forward is for parents who suspect their kids are involved with drugs to take control and try and fix the problem as some did in or someone else will and the parents will have no control.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: something to say ()
Date: July 27, 2009 09:27AM

This is to unbelieveable:

the thing that continues to baffle me is that skylar got MORE time for the drug charges (20 years) than the MAIN supplier of the entire ring! (who got 19 years for the drugs). AND that the girl who brought the very first heroin to centreville (aycock) and was the catalyst for the entire ring, got 30 DAYS. am i missing something here?

Lets start with how Skylar got 20 years... when he was suppose to get way more:
Remember he asked a person to lie for him on the stand which gives you 10 years which he was not even sentenced for... so by his snitching... and telling all... he got off way easy... I agree that Skylar and the other kids that got major time should not have taken a fall for a girl that had chose to do heroin... and overdosed many times before... but the MAIN supplier got 26 years... You need to keep yourself updated... if you are going to put stuff on this site... Skylar was also the one that intruduced his friends to drugs... Yes all the girls got off easy... I dont understand that one either...

Alot of the kids didnt have time to pull out of their drive way to go to drug treatment before the cops pulled them over just to harrass... so if given a chance they could have helped themselves...as well.

By the way WHAT? You took my post...

If you would have known these kids... you all know they are just that... they made wrong decisions...got addicted ... and couldnt just quit or stop... Heroin is a terrible addiction... alot of people got off easy... esp...the girls. and Skylar... especially when he was faced with lots more that 20 years... that is what snitching gets you. And getting your friends addicted and setting them up... sorry I am not in the fan club of Skylar right now.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: NEWS ()
Date: July 27, 2009 09:42AM

HERE IS YOUR FRIEND:


Schnippel's trial lasted just a day and a half. The testimony provided insight to the Centreville heroin ring. The group, mostly teenagers and friends from Westfield high school, bought, sold and used more than a kilo of heroin over a two year period beginning in the summer of 2006. Police say Schnippel, who at one time worked as an informant, named at least 30 people involved with the ring

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: NEWS ()
Date: July 27, 2009 09:43AM

INFORMANT... NAMED 30 PEOPLE=SKYLAR

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: cliff notse plz ()
Date: July 27, 2009 10:47AM

stop copy/pasting the article
just link you noobs

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: mustknow ()
Date: July 27, 2009 12:12PM

Her parents obviously did not know her actions Read the transcripts and realize how involved in this drug she was. She did it all the time with Nikki, Nicole, George. Her parents even caught her doing the drug two week prior in their house and her punishment was that they took her car away for a couple of days. She was out of control and they knew it. That is the real issue here is that they did not act. Here is a novel thought. Tell an 18 year old boy who is addicted to drugs that he is responsible for not allowing their daughter to do drugs and to call them when she does. Makes perfect sense to me, NOT. I cannot believe that they said that. The Police should be investigated also as they caused this conspiracy by having all these kids working for them all the time when they should of shut it down. Such a waste.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: unbelieveable ()
Date: July 27, 2009 12:38PM

good points made by all.

to "something to say," when i said harper only received 19 years for the drug charge, that wasn't including the extra 7 years he received for the seperate gun charge, which totals 26 years, but i was only focusing on the relevant drug charge.

i think the main issue here, as "mustknow" stated above, is the lack of parenting, and the lack of ownership for this responsibility. of course alicia's parents would never have intentionally allowed her to get involved with drugs, and of course peer influence played a heavy role in this case. but at the end of the day, it is the responsibility of the parent, and no one else - not teachers, not friends, not the community - but the parent, to ensure the safety of their child. so to ask an 18-year-old heroin-addicted boyfriend to watch over your heroin-addicted daughter, to continue to allow your daughter to be in situations where heroin is likely to be present (i.e., her own apartment), and then to blame the boyfriend when your heroin-addicted daughter dies of her own overdose, is beyond logical to me.

regardless of who alicia got her last dose from, regardless of whether skylar snitched on people, i think the cold hard facts show that while most of these kids should serve a certain amount of time in jail, none of them should be held solely responsible for alicia's death

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ExUser ()
Date: July 27, 2009 01:09PM

unbelieveable Wrote:
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> i think the main issue here, as "mustknow" stated
> above, is the lack of parenting,


I disagree.

Once a kid is an adult, and she was, parenting is out the window. Addiction is an affliction that can not be cured by parenting.

Schnippel should have called 911 when he realized she was in trouble, not worry about the ramifications if she was in fact okay and he falsely called for help. For his fear of getting caught, which cost a life, he got twenty years. A fair sentence, everything considered.

So many lives lost and ruined over this. So Sad.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: The Game, and how to play it ()
Date: July 27, 2009 06:07PM

>You missed key point here, if you put yourself in rehab and clean you act up before going to court, they cut you some slack.<

A big part of the reason that Schnippel got such a heavy sentence is that he was ONLY defendant who chose to go to trial rather than take a deal (per the Post).

When you go to trial, and lose, you will almost invariably get a heavier sentence than if you had pled out.

That's just the way the system works.

He took a calculated risk (arguably a stupid risk, given the facts), and lost.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: fed up ()
Date: July 28, 2009 04:36AM

At long last this is done with. The bullshit the media put out there, which was cooked up in the Fed's offices, with the poster family (Lannes') was just too much. 4 people died in the heroin ring, and we only hear about one of them? There were a lot more tragic cases than the one of Alicia Lannes, but we'll never hear about them in the news, because it doesnt support the FBI's agenda. Make us feel sorry for a sad little baby doll, so they can get promoted through the ranks on such a serious case. "Operation Smackdown" or whatever they called it wasted a bunch of money, got a few agents a fat salary increase, put 20 addicts in jail, and let a lot of guilty people walk free because they were female. Lets have a round of applause for one of the worst handled cases Ive heard of in my life. Thanks for wasting our hard earned tax paying dollars. I wouldve preferred to pay for rehab, than throwing a couple of kids in a Federal penitentary, only to come out worse off than they were going in. Unbelievable...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: horrible gaps in sentences ()
Date: July 28, 2009 04:55AM

i guess it pays off to be a cute little dope fiend slut because if you're a guy in the situation you go to jail for the next 5-20. oh no the girls were being taken advantage of and sleeping with the drug dealer for their dope ohhhh noooo. fuck this system everyday tells us we have to work to make everyone equal except when a woman gets in trouble for something they get fucking 30 days while the boyfriend gets 20 years. this is an abomination.

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Date: July 28, 2009 06:54AM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: mustknow ()
Date: July 28, 2009 11:08AM

The Game, and how to play it wrote: "A big part of the reason that Schnippel got such a heavy sentence is that he was ONLY defendant who chose to go to trial rather than take a deal (per the Post).


The Feds never gave any deal to Schnippel except to plead quilty to the death and take the 20 years. Where as they gave deals to Remmington and Aycock who had someone die after they gave heroin to another person. Where is the equality in the system. The Feds said to Remmington and Aycock, we will charge you with distribution that resulted in death with a sentence of 20 years unless you plead quilty to this other lesser charge. Given the choice, take the other charge. This shows that the prosecution has too much power to be able to pick and choose.

That was never offered to Schnippel. It is very obvious now that everyone else was used as a stepping stone to get to him by the Lannes family and their vendetta. They drove this the entire way and this is what happens when the prosecution does not say no and allow a family to place blame for Alicia's reckless behavior. Where are the other families? That is right, they are not placing blame.

If you are upset about this whole thing, write your Senator and Congressman.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Wow ()
Date: July 28, 2009 12:44PM

WHEN YOU WRITE YOU SHOULD THROW IN ALL THE OTHER NAMES... ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT GOT 19/2O... ALICIA WAS THERE TO GIVE THEM HELP WITH THEIR ADDICTION...WHAT CAN YOU DO BUT PRAY AND SIT BACK AND HOPE THAT SOMEONE WILL SEE THIS AND HELP THESE BOYS THAT WILL SPEND THEIR LIVES BEHIND BARS...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Nice ()
Date: July 28, 2009 05:46PM

You said it brother. This whole thing sucks. Girls get off, boys go to jail. If you have a mental problem, you get off light, if not you have no excuse. When did addiction discriminate and say that you must have been abused as a child.

How many other overdose crimes have you heard of since this? None. Know why? Because they occur all the time and they are treated as an accidental death of an addict. Such BS.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: The Game, and how to play it ()
Date: July 28, 2009 08:34PM

mustknow wrote: "The Feds never gave any deal to Schnippel except to plead quilty to the death and take the 20 years..."

If I had read that, I'd forgotten it. Thanks for clarifying.


mustknow wrote: "Where as they gave deals to Remmington and Aycock who had someone die after they gave heroin to another person. Where is the equality in the system. The Feds said to Remmington and Aycock, we will charge you with distribution that resulted in death with a sentence of 20 years unless you plead quilty to this other lesser charge. Given the choice, take the other charge. This shows that the prosecution has too much power to be able to pick and choose."

Prosecutorial discretion is a power that's definitely subject to abuse, but how do you fix the problem?

Don't you risk making the situation worse by taking away that discretion and replacing it with some sort of fixed calculus/regimen prosecutors would have to rigidly adhere to?

And how would you devise such a system, that coherently and consistently takes account of all the subtle variables prosecutors are faced with?

Arguably, the current regimen of fixed sentencing that has been imposed on federal judges has made matters worse for defendants than when judges had greater leeway and discretion in sentencing (although the former discretion-based system did at times undoubtedly result in gross discrepancies).

A final point. Although I tend to agree that the Lannes's "vendetta" probably drove the comparative harshness of Schnippel's treatment, could it be argued that even though Remington and Aycock engaged in distribution that resulted in death, Schnippel's case was more egregious because of (i) his knowledge of the decedent's prior overdoses; and (ii) his failure to seek help (i.e., call 911) after he knew Lannes had OD'd?

In other words, arguably the prosecution *did* have a rational basis for imposing a harsher sentence on Schnippel.

(I note that I don't know the facts in Remington's or Aycock's cases; I'm just speculating here "for the sake of argument." I'm also putting to one side the question of whether it's proper to charge someone with murder under these circumstances, in which the decedent freely chose to shoot herself up.)

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: July 29, 2009 02:44AM

aycock just had a p/id charge. not one involving death. i believe her name came out after one of the other defendants turned feds evidence.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: feds fault ()
Date: July 29, 2009 10:40AM

I think this all happened because of the feds not putting it out sooner that this was going on...while they were getting people to tell on each other...pulling them over at all times... and following them around... and so forth...for almost 2 years... setting people up and so on... while all of this was going on...then that is when the deaths happened

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yep ()
Date: July 29, 2009 12:28PM

un-fairfax aboveground Wrote:
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> aycock just had a p/id charge. not one involving
> death. i believe her name came out after one of
> the other defendants turned feds evidence.


Read the Pre Sentencing Report online about Aycock and Remmington.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: A victem/whs student ()
Date: July 29, 2009 06:26PM

Fuck everyone posting bullshit here.

Most of the poeple cought up with this dope shit isnt a bad person.i knew most of the people busted.They lived near my street, They were all barley adults, if not evan. Why should these kids have too serve life just for something that i know is powerfull, But what ever happend too second chances, as in the first offender program. The only reason this topic is soo huge is because of alecia lannes parents. She had OD 3 times before her last time...Doesnt that say something too your own self? She did it on her own not skyler.My own brother passed away from an H od and knowing my own brother for 16 years he wasnt a threat too others...Every single one of these kids that got busted just got cought up with eachother and the scene. As ive learned threw out this ordeal..Instead of shunning these people and calling them worthless pieces of shit, help them with thier fucking problems instead of making them worse. They need help and support/suboxon not 20 years too life ona concrete floor. also one of the main distributers from DC only got 26 years...Hes pretty much the main source where all the youth was going too....Say what? now the main older black guy from dc that has lived more of his life then gibson,schnipple, jr or nash and he gets less time then them. fuck that bullshit.

This whole entire situation has blown up just because some APPOSID peachy little girl over dosed 3 times before her last time and her parents refuse too accept the truth/fact that it happend...As stated earlyer my older brother passed away from H, Shit happends, Yes it was hard at first, But ive grown too accept he was a goood man with good intentions with an IQ over 120..Not a fucking crimal...and none of these kids are either....You basterds have the wrong idea and picture...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Neutral Third-Party Observer ()
Date: July 29, 2009 07:41PM

Well... I don't mean to sound callous, but someone could write a great nonfiction book based on this story.

I nominate Wells Tower.*

Anybody have his email?


*Long Haul Truckers

Iceland and Greenland

Mysterious Ways

Sam's Dream

It's a Jungle Out There

The Restoration

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: July 29, 2009 08:21PM

I don't think you can get first offender status when deaths are involved. Perhaps a case could be made for government controlled distribution of now illegal drugs. Hell, the Prez took coke, and see how far he got.

Who else died? I can only find a 20 year old in Falls Church named Carmen, besides Lannes.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Sandwich Pick ()
Date: July 29, 2009 08:38PM

The name Duncan Parker has been reported.

http://drugaddict.livejournal.com/3470725.html

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Hesh ()
Date: July 29, 2009 08:42PM

In November, The Post reported that 14 people had died.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/19/AR2008111903276.html

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: joe woa ()
Date: July 30, 2009 03:39AM

The NAACP expresses a deep concern over the widespread use of narcotics in the black community of McKeesport. We have had three youths killed by the merchants of heroin in the past two months. We have the widespread, blatant sale of heroin on our street corners between Eleventh and Twelfth Streets. The merchants of heroin are permitted to peddle their poison without the slightest intervention from any law enforcement agency. How many more of our youngsters must die before the merchants of heroin are at least intimidated? There has not been a single drug raid, and we have had two deaths in the same boarding house. We have seen police officers sit in their cars while the merchants of heroin carry on Business as Usual, and we wonder if this same attitude would have prevailed if the three young victims had been white.

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RE:Old pictures of Fairfax county, love em!
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: July 30, 2009 07:52AM

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: his fucking brother you ass ()
Date: July 30, 2009 03:35PM

Sandwich Pick Wrote:
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> The name Duncan Parker has been reported.
>
> http://drugaddict.livejournal.com/3470725.html


shut the fuck up dude, Dont be posting shit/people names that you dont evan know..

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: qwerty ()
Date: July 30, 2009 05:13PM

SP just posted a link to data already out there.

Public info.

Sorry for your loss.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Rest of the Story ()
Date: July 30, 2009 07:12PM

Centreview Online Story on Schnippel Sentencing:

20 Years Prison for Schnippel
Gave fatal heroin to Alicia Lannes.

By Bonnie Hobbs
Thursday, July 30, 2009

Right before he was sentenced to 20 years in prison for giving 19-year-old Alicia Lannes the heroin that took her life, Skylar Schnippel apologized to her family for her loss.

But he said it quickly and without emotion — and even the judge noted that, if he felt remorse, it’s only come upon him in the last few days. And considering when he said it, Alicia’s parents had a hard time believing him, as well.

"We’ve been to just about every hearing for all 16 co-defendants," said her father, Greg Lannes. "Over the past nine months, the one consistent name mentioned throughout was Skylar Schnippel’s. He was the one who should have stepped up first and pled guilty — that would have showed my family he felt remorseful for what he did to Alicia."

Schnippel, 20, of Virginia Run, was a key member of the Centreville-based, heroin conspiracy and the last one of the 16 people arrested to be convicted. He pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and, after a bench trial, May 4-5, he was also found guilty of heroin distribution resulting in death, conspiracy to distribute one kilogram or more of heroin resulting in death, and possession with intent to distribute heroin resulting in death.

Last Friday, July 24, he appeared in U.S. District Court in Alexandria to learn his punishment. First, though, Assistant U.S. Attorney Erik Barnett explained the significance of the federal government’s actions and Lannes’s death.

"This sentence is the culmination of 16 arrests and convictions," he said. "In August 2008, investigators and police looked at what was going on in Centreville and realized three things: There was a heroin problem; as federal agents, we didn’t know a lot about heroin; and we had a pandemic — a public-health emergency. Young individuals were dying of heroin."

Barnett said the federal government got involved because it had jurisdiction — and the urgency of the situation required serious action. "We recognized that we had a singular role to play in stopping this pandemic — and then two individuals overdosed and died," he said. "In September 2008, a target of our investigation died of an overdose and we weren’t able to marshal the evidence against him in time to prevent his death. The others we arrested later told us their arrests saved their lives."

There were also other reasons the government took over the heroin prosecutions. "Unless individuals were wealthy and willing to get help, there were no tools available to help them fight their heroin addictions," said Barnett. "And there were no reactions by state and local government to this issue."

He said those interviewed during the investigation "told us about drugs we’d never heard of. One woman said she’d used a hallucinogen that lasted 24 hours. Person after person had long litanies of drugs they’d used. They’d progress from marijuana to prescription drugs to cocaine and heroin. They said the drugs were easy to come by — at schools, parties or from friends — and they learned from the Internet how to use them."

"They told us about these things and we were shocked — and we all have a lot of experience in these matters. But we haven’t seen any explanation as to why these individuals diverted into rampant, consistent, frequent drug use so that their whole lives revolved around it."

Barnett said the U.S. Attorney’s Office prosecuted these cases "to bring attention to heroin use so that state, local and federal government, schools, churches, fraternal organizations — whatever was available — would step up. Because we cannot sit by while anybody dies of a drug overdose, we had to intervene." He said there have been some community meetings and discussions, as a result, but "We haven’t seen anyone take action to prevent this."

REGARDING ALICIA LANNES, who was Schnippel’s girlfriend, he said, "Her drug use was destined when she was sexually molested [at age 13] by strangers while on vacation with a friend’s family. She was a young woman of tremendous promise, but this event led to sleepless nights, depression and, finally, self-medication to try to deal with it." It also led her to heroin, and Barnett said the addicts interviewed told authorities that, after using it, "they had no worries or concerns."

He said Alicia’s parents "did everything they could" to get help for her. "Her mother even moved to Richmond when Alicia went to college, as a shoulder to cry on when Alicia’s demons caught up with her. Some people have said it was her choice to use heroin, but her actions weren’t always voluntary."

Still, said Barnett, "She saved 16 lives — a remarkable legacy for a young woman — because she sparked this investigation. It is a certainty that Daniel Nash is alive today because of this investigation. He would have died alone in his room with a needle beside him, if not for her. And Anna Richter told us Alicia’s death caused her to seek rehabilitation — and she now works in a rehabilitation facility helping others conquer addiction."

But Schnippel was undeterred. "Alicia’s death didn’t stop his heroin use," said Barnett. And by fall [2008], he was introducing another young woman to heroin."

A sentencing document submitted by Barnett and two other federal prosecutors detailed Schnippel’s involvement in the drug ring. They stated he was one of the earliest members of the conspiracy, and introduced several of the others to heroin for the first time. He first exposed J.R. Quick, David Schreider and Daniel Nash to heroin in 2006 and 2007; all three are now in prison.

Schnippel also sold cocaine to many of these same individuals prior to their involvement with heroin. And he continued dealing heroin, despite his own arrest by local police in July 2007 and Lannes’s two heroin overdoses in his presence in August and October 2007.

"It was the defendant who provided her heroin on March 4, 2008, while also supplying others with the drug that same night," wrote the prosecutors. "While she used the drugs in her parents’ basement and overdosed, he was communicating with her by telephone and text message. Several hours passed before he made any real effort to seek help for her. Alicia Lannes died as a result of using the heroin he gave her."

AND UNLIKE some of the co-defendants, said Barnett in court, "There was no clear reason why [Schnippel] started using heroin. We couldn’t find the childhood trauma or sense of loss. He had every advantage of family and luxuries available. It seemed much more of a choice for him. And at any point between 2006 and March 2008, he could have severed his involvement with the conspiracy."

In October 2008, the investigators requested his cooperation, to no avail. "We knew he had a roadmap — a good overview of this conspiracy — and we needed more concrete evidence so we could make arrests," said Barnett. "There were so many things he knew that he didn’t tell us about." They asked him again that December, but Schnippel still refused. Up to and including the day he was arrested, Feb. 19, 2009, he kept using and selling heroin to others.

"Furthermore, he was actively obstructing us — advocating a young woman withhold information from us — with no regard for the effect on her," said Barnett. "[Had she done so], she would have been prosecuted, too. His theme throughout was a disregard for the impact his actions had on others."

In the sentencing document, the prosecutors noted opportunities Schnippel will have after serving his sentence, adding, "That is something at least four other young people [who died of overdoses] have been denied."

In court, Barnett recommended Schnippel serve 20 years total for all his crimes. "We take no joy in this; young people will spend, perhaps, the best years of their lives in prison." But in Schnippel’s case, he said, "This sentence was determined by the defendant — driven by his conduct and the choices he made."

DEFENSE ATTORNEY Brendan Harold agreed with the 20 years, only requesting his client be placed as close to Centreville as possible and receive drug treatment in prison. Then Greg Lannes addressed the court. He said Alicia was born on Dec. 7 and, as "Pearl Harbor woke up this nation, Alicia’s death woke up this community, law enforcement and families to take action."

He described the bright, inquisitive child and good student she was before her sexual assault and resulting anxiety attacks. "It’s clear to [my wife] Donna and I that Skylar saw her anxiety attacks and talked her into using heroin," said Greg Lannes. "After one of Alicia’s overdoses, I asked him to take care of and protect her and he promised he would. But it was all lies; he was the one pulling her down."

Talking directly to Schnippel, Lannes said, "Do you remember me telling you the world would come down on you and there’d be hell to pay, if not? That day is today; little did I know that world would be the U.S. government. Federal prison can be a beginning so you can someday become a productive person. May God watch over you and guide you."

Then, saying her daughter’s potential will never be realized, Donna Lannes called Schnippel a coward, a liar, thoughtless and indifferent. "How many times did you inject her with a lethal dose — and walk away?" she asked. "You wanted to quiet her but, in the end, Alicia’s being heard. May your days behind bars bring you some of the same heartache and pain you caused Alicia."

Like others who’ve lost a child, she said, "We asked ourselves where was our God, and Alicia’s guardian angels?" she said. "Where was the Protector of children?" But, she said, crying, "The angels and her Protector were, in fact, with her all the time. God sent Alicia to open eyes and hearts and turn them from darkness to light. Alicia victoriously survives in eternity."

Then Schnippel stood and apologized, adding, "I loved Alicia; it’s my loss, too."

Judge Leonie Brinkema called the case "among the most aggravated" of the 16. "You really didn’t get the message," she told Schnippel. "And your [attempt] to obstruct justice is a significant, aggravating factor."

She said his conduct after Alicia’s death — and after others were arrested and the government asked for his help — was "just unconscionable." She then sentenced him to 20 years "to punish and deter you and to send a clear message. You can’t use and sell drugs and, when it’s obvious you’re being caught, you don’t go out and obstruct justice and try to get others to commit crimes for you."

Brinkema said she’d recommend him for the prison system’s 500-hour, intensive, drug-treatment program and ask he be housed as close to Northern Virginia as possible. Upon his release, he’s to have no contact with the co-defendants, remain drug- and alcohol-free and undergo substance-abuse and mental-health treatment. He must also share the cost of $21,497 restitution to the Lannes family with Quick and Nash.

Afterward, Greg Lannes said he and his wife understand Brinkema’s difficulty in sentencing someone so young to such a long prison term. "One day, Skylar will understand what he did and, hopefully, realize Alicia’s death gave him life," said Lannes. "In the years to come, only when he is released and starts his family will he thank Alicia."

Dana Boente, U.S. Attorney for Virginia’s Eastern District, said, "We hope this sentence will be a strong deterrent to other young people. Our thoughts and condolences are with those who have lost loved ones as a result of this conspiracy, and our thanks go to the men and women who brought those responsible to justice."

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Indaknow ()
Date: July 30, 2009 08:06PM

Yep wrote:

>Read the Pre Sentencing Report online about Aycock and Remmington.



Hey Yep, where did you read the presentence reports?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Crazy ()
Date: July 31, 2009 10:01AM

Quote from Article:

AND UNLIKE some of the co-defendants, said Barnett in court, "There was no clear reason why [Schnippel] started using heroin. We couldn’t find the childhood trauma or sense of loss. He had every advantage of family and luxuries available. It seemed much more of a choice for him.
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I did not know that addiction discriminated and that you had to have trauma in your life in order to have a reason to use drugs. Is this prosecutor serious. Every drug addiction group and counselor should write to Barnett and ask him to really clarify what he is trying to say here. If that were the case, why would anyone do drugs. Look at the actors, pro sport figures, news anchors, what is there reason. choice yes, however addiction grabs you. Everyone does it the first time by choice.

He is making an excuse because he received such backlash for singling out this boy over the other co-defendants. Change the name and input any of the other co-defendants such as Anna Richter, Danny Nash, Taylor Gibson, and guess what, the outcome would be the same as they were everywhere in this mess also and they could say that they were everywhere in the conspiracy which they all were. The more I read about this, the more I distrust the system.

For Barnett to say that a target of their investigation died before they had enough evidence should piss all of you off. The police had him working for them. They knew he was using and selling. Don't you think they could have gone to him directly and the parents to inform them. NO, they wanted a bust. Instead, his death is on their hands. I feel for his parents.

As for the Lannes, it is quite obvious that they did not know their daughter and the guilt associated with the fact that they did nothing to curb her addiction when they knew she had one. That is the driving force around their anger. They have to blame everyone except Alicia as she used by choice in order to alleviate their guilt of no action. Fact is that all her friends know how she was and how she loved to party.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: July 31, 2009 12:36PM

joe woa Wrote:
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> The NAACP expresses a deep concern over the
> widespread use of narcotics in the black community
> of McKeesport. We have had three youths killed by
> the merchants of heroin in the past two months. We
> have the widespread, blatant sale of heroin on our
> street corners between Eleventh and Twelfth
> Streets. The merchants of heroin are permitted to
> peddle their poison without the slightest
> intervention from any law enforcement agency. How
> many more of our youngsters must die before the
> merchants of heroin are at least intimidated?
> There has not been a single drug raid, and we have
> had two deaths in the same boarding house. We have
> seen police officers sit in their cars while the
> merchants of heroin carry on Business as Usual,
> and we wonder if this same attitude would have
> prevailed if the three young victims had been
> white.

well you live in the fucking ghetto. this is fairfax underground not anacostia underground. thats why were not talking about what goes on in the fucking ghetto.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: joe woa ()
Date: August 01, 2009 01:06AM

i am just trying to point out that the whole situation is unfair and pretty fucking crazy 30 days compared to 20 years plus how many people die from drug overdoses each year and no one is sentenced to 20 years

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: August 01, 2009 06:19PM

oh ok, well then i agree. these sentences are a waste of both taxpayers hard earned money and these kids lives. ship em off to rehab and bootcamp for a hell of a lot cheaper and i bet 9/10 of these kids would turn their lives around. also, the fact that the judge said skylar had no reason to explain his drug use is ridiculous. i didnt know addiction only happened to people from broken homes.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Man ()
Date: August 03, 2009 12:51PM

un-fairfax aboveground Wrote:
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> oh ok, well then i agree. these sentences are a
> waste of both taxpayers hard earned money and
> these kids lives. ship em off to rehab and
> bootcamp for a hell of a lot cheaper and i bet
> 9/10 of these kids would turn their lives around.
> also, the fact that the judge said skylar had no
> reason to explain his drug use is ridiculous. i
> didnt know addiction only happened to people from
> broken homes.


A very true statement. This whole thing is a waste of taxpayer dollars.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: what ?? ()
Date: August 04, 2009 09:31PM

un-fairfax aboveground,

I agree, those that did go to rehab did turn their lives around, plus message to all, go to rehab and the courts will look favorable on you, even if their are sentencing guidelines. Clearly the case with Remmington, Aycock, Richter, Gibson and even Megale, who went to bootcamp and will go to rehab within a year.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: August 04, 2009 11:55PM

it also helps to be an "innocent" girl that gets "used"

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Ha Ha ()
Date: August 05, 2009 08:53AM

As said before... Alot of the kids couldnt leave there home for rehab... because of being pulled over all the time. I read also what un-farifax aboveground said I hope you are making a funny... because that statement is a trip...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What ?? ()
Date: August 05, 2009 10:11AM

You cannot be serious thinking any of these kids could not go to rehab because of the police. Their just no truth to that! Get your fact straight before making dumb comments like that! While their maybe some issues with the FFCP handling of this issue, preventing kids from going to rehab is not one of them!

The problem for rehab is their is not a whole lot of options here in Northern VA, and in many cases very expensive and your not sure if it is going to work. Tough choices to make!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: parents must be very proud ()
Date: August 05, 2009 12:33PM

Ha Ha Wrote:
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> As said before... Alot of the kids couldnt leave
> there home for rehab... because of being pulled
> over all the time. I read also what un-farifax
> aboveground said I hope you are making a funny...
> because that statement is a trip...


Exactly how many times were they pulled between here and Baltimore while picking up heroin shipments and bringing them back to sell??. The only victims in this case are taxpayers whose money was wasted on their education and rehabilitation. Losers all.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: 12 stepper ()
Date: August 05, 2009 02:06PM

What ?? Wrote:
>
> The problem for rehab is their is not a whole lot
> of options here in Northern VA, and in many cases
> very expensive and your not sure if it is going to
> work. Tough choices to make!


NA is free and effective. As effective as a high priced rehab if a person wants to get clean. After all, if you don't get step one, you'll never be successful.

I am powerless over...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What ?? ()
Date: August 05, 2009 02:43PM

NA is very good program to coincide with rehab and for continued support after rehab but is not rehab it self. With heroin, one must first detox which is a difficult first step and should be done in a supervised manor of some sort. I think that first step is a tough one! Many rehab programs follow NA 12-step program, very effective if you stay with it.

A-lon is a very good program for family members of a addict to listen and learn from others and learn you are not alone.

12 stepper thank you for bringing NA into the discussion. This is the type of information that should be going out on this discussion at this point. While the 16 have all been dealt with, I think there is more to follow in this area. If some parent is reading this and has a concern about their own child, you do have options.

ADS at your local school, A-lon meetings, your own doctor. Plus I'm sure other will also come up with other resources.

Thank you again 12 Stepper!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: shakingmyhead ()
Date: August 05, 2009 03:28PM

well hopefully whatever prison Skylar is sent to will have a decent rehab aspect to it, as well as NA. I wonder if anything would have been different in his sentencing if he had gone to rehab? perhaps the judge would have seen him more as an addict than a scumbag.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: for sure ()
Date: August 05, 2009 03:30PM

shakingmyhead Wrote:
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> well hopefully whatever prison Skylar is sent to
> will have a decent rehab aspect to it, as well as
> NA. I wonder if anything would have been
> different in his sentencing if he had gone to
> rehab? perhaps the judge would have seen him more
> as an addict than a scumbag.


Maybe he saw him as both, everybody else has

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Law101 ()
Date: August 05, 2009 04:25PM

You all obviously have missed the fact that the only reason he was caught up in this is that his girlfriend went home by herself and used the dope in which she purchased with her own money. Read the details in the court records. Anyone who thinks that he sold the stuff has all the facts wrong. He was an addict and so was she. They hung around the individuals like Quick, Nash, Richter, and Gibson in order to get some for free or purchase it.

Remember the facts, Alicia drove to his house to meet to get high. He was told by his parents to come back home after they found out that he snuck out. She went home and did the drugs all by herself in her bedroom down the hall from her parents. So, I ask this. Why is he responsible again for her own reckless behavior and her own actions? Hmmm?

Has our world changed so much that we have to now be responsible for everyone else actions? Guess so since we are a sue happy country. I guess it has as the sentencing disparity in this was off the charts ranging from 30 days to 20 years.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Ignatz Mouse ()
Date: August 05, 2009 05:51PM

Law101 Wrote:
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> Remember the facts, Alicia drove to his house to
> meet to get high. He was told by his parents to
> come back home after they found out that he snuck
> out. She went home and did the drugs all by
> herself in her bedroom down the hall from her
> parents. So, I ask this. Why is he responsible
> again for her own reckless behavior and her own
> actions? Hmmm?


He's responsible because his actions ("the facts") satisfy the elements of the crime (i.e., he's responsible both for his own reckless behavior, and the result of his reckless behavior).

To wit:

21 USC Sec. 841

(a) Unlawful acts
Except as authorized by this subchapter, it shall be unlawful for any person knowingly or intentionally -

     (1) to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, a controlled substance; or

     (2) to create, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to distribute or dispense, a counterfeit substance.

(b) Penalties
Any person who violates subsection (a) of this section shall be sentenced as follows:

     (1)(A) In the case of a violation of subsection (a) of this section involving -
....
          (viii) ...death or serious bodily injury... from the use of such substance shall be not less than 20 years or more than life.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/csa/841.htm

Law 101, my friend. You may not like it, or think it's fair, but there's no question whatsoever that Schnippel violated the above law, thus exposing himself to a penalty of "not less than 20 years".

A separate, but obviously related issue is whether the prosecutors abused their discretion in charging Schnippel with the full penalty under the law, while allowing others, seemingly guilty of the same crime, to get off with a much lighter charge.

It's certainly debatable, but at least arguably Schnippel's actions were more egregious than other, similarly situated defendants - and thus warranted a harsher penalty - because of (i) his knowledge of the decedent's prior overdoses; and (ii) his failure to seek help (i.e., call 911) after he knew Lannes had OD'd.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 05, 2009 07:04PM

Most recreational drugs should be decriminalized and users provided treatment...not prison.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What ?? ()
Date: August 06, 2009 03:05PM

Vince (1), your comment of decriminalizing recreational drugs is not relevant to this discussion as no one in their right mind would consider heroin a recreational drug!!!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: shakingmyhead ()
Date: August 06, 2009 04:46PM

where can you read the court records?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2009 05:02PM

What ?? Wrote:
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> Vince (1), your comment of decriminalizing
> recreational drugs is not relevant to this
> discussion as no one in their right mind would
> consider heroin a recreational drug!!!


Thus why they need therapy and not prison time.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Yes ()
Date: August 07, 2009 10:04AM

These young people have lost alot by using and becoming addicts... each one of them grew up together from young children to adult hood...it effects them to know that they will have to pull this time without being able to have someone to support them...other than their parents... I dont think that any of these young adults meant to hurt each other in the way that they did... The boys got a very tough sentence and I hope that in the end... that they can put this behind them and move on... it will be hard with this on their record but it can be done... I hope that people that are on this site realize... we are talking about young adults being addicts... go on goodle and read that heroin is one of the easiest drugs to get addicted to and one of the hardest to walk away from.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: sadness ()
Date: August 07, 2009 03:31PM

Yes Wrote:
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> These young people have lost alot by using and
> becoming addicts... each one of them grew up
> together from young children to adult hood...it
> effects them to know that they will have to pull
> this time without being able to have someone to
> support them...other than their parents... I dont
> think that any of these young adults meant to hurt
> each other in the way that they did... The boys
> got a very tough sentence and I hope that in the
> end... that they can put this behind them and move
> on... it will be hard with this on their record
> but it can be done... I hope that people that are
> on this site realize... we are talking about young
> adults being addicts... go on goodle and read that
> heroin is one of the easiest drugs to get addicted
> to and one of the hardest to walk away from.

Very well said

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 08, 2009 10:36PM

In prison they will truly learn the hard lessons in life and most likely come out more hardened and desperate middle aged men incapable of holding a job...of course unless they find jjeeeesus! Awaste of money..and a waste of human life..without a single lesson to be learned.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/08/2009 10:37PM by Vince(1).

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: August 09, 2009 01:50AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> A waste of money..and a waste of human
> life..without a single lesson to be learned.

+ INFINITY

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: iLovecentreville ()
Date: August 09, 2009 02:28AM

Out of all the areas around here, I'm not surprised this happened in Centreville.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What ?? ()
Date: August 09, 2009 08:58AM

I agree with you Yes

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Baretta ()
Date: August 09, 2009 10:36AM

un-fairfax aboveground Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A waste of money..and a waste of human
> > life..without a single lesson to be learned.
>
> + INFINITY


It's all a tremendous waste, and a tragedy, but the lesson to be learned is a familiar one:

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: what ?? ()
Date: August 10, 2009 03:10PM

IloveCentreville,

think your comment about not being surprised is narrow minded, I think it is more of a case of the kids in centreville being caught! while this cased involved four deaths in 2008, their were 14 reported heroin death in fairfax county last year, what the deal on those 10?????

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Shocked now ()
Date: August 10, 2009 06:26PM

what ?? Wrote:
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>
> think your comment about not being surprised is
> narrow minded, I think it is more of a case of the
> kids in centreville being caught! while this cased
> involved four deaths in 2008, their were 14
> reported heroin death in fairfax county last year,
> what the deal on those 10?????



No deal on the other deaths because they were treated as an accidental death of an addict. They do not prosecute for this. This case was entirely fueled by the Lannes guilt and denial of their daughters addiction and they got the Feds involved by constant pushing. They wanted someone to blame but themselves. With that new information, it is now more clearer than before. They should be ashamed as their daughter was just as culpable as the others involved as they all were friends and hung out together. They all were addicts to the terrible drug and that is why they need rehab instead of jail time. They could have used this as a means of helping others and not hurting. They said that they helped them but is jail really help?

Truly shocked now.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Get Real ()
Date: August 10, 2009 07:31PM

Shocked now Wrote:
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> They should be ashamed as their daughter was just as culpable as
> the others involved as they all were friends and
> hung out together.


Schnippel and several others were culpable of both (i) selling heroin, and (ii) actively promoting the use of, and selling heroin to non-users.

I'm not aware that Alicia Lannes engaged in either (i) or (ii). It's therefore ridiculous to say she's just as culpable as the others.

The second of these, in particular - enticing non-users to try the drug - is an especially egregious, evil crime.

Her parents have been demonized on this board. Perhaps they deserve the criticism; I don't know enough about the facts of the case, in particular how the prosecutors actually went about the process of deciding how to charge individuals.

When I look at some of the sentencing disparities, the overall case strikes me as something of a mockery of justice. And I'm not unsympathetic to the pov that some or maybe most of these kids deserve treatment far more than jail time.

But with respect to Schnippel, not only was he guilty of (i) and (ii), he also recklessly and stupidly attempted to influence a witness's testimony.

If you engage in that kind of behavior, no one should be shocked if prosecutors deal with you very harshly indeed.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: hammer ()
Date: August 10, 2009 07:52PM

Like most criminals, they are very sorry and remorseful after they are caught. Giving away drugs so that others become dependant and ruin their futures deserves the 20 years they received, in a few months or years the pukes that dodged the prison bullit will be continuing to trash their lives and making those around them miserable, those in prison will have plenty of time to think about the ruined lives they have left in their selfish wake and perhaps come out better than they went in. Where does anyone think this would have have ended if some intervention had not occured, Have we already forgotten the fiasco a few years ago at Centreville HS where another group of individuals that thought they were so smart that they could do as they pleased until it resulted in a murder for hire case. History will repeat itself over and over

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Rechecking the Facts ()
Date: August 10, 2009 10:00PM

While the Lannes' have made no secret in the press that they were actively involved in these prosecutions to avenge their daughter's boyfriend's callous contribution to the events that ultimately resulted in her death, they also made it clear that they wanted the cycle of heroin addiction to end in the community and were willing to put a personal face on that campaign. To that end, they took an active role in all the prosecutions (even cases that were not directly linked to Alicia's death like the Robinson, Woodson and Falls Church arrests) and have attended or supported community forums on drug use among teens. They have repeatedly stated that they want to save lives.

With regard to allegations of "unfair treatment" for Schnippel, he was not the only defendant sentenced for "distribution resulting in death" and Alicia's death was not the only one prosecuted under this charge. They all resulted in a 20 year sentence for the person(s) responsible for a distribution directly linked to a death. Take the time to look back and you will find the following individuals received the same treatment as Schnippel on the same charge:

02/27/09 - Daniel Nash of Centreville received a 20 year sentence for distribution resulting in Alicia Lannes' death. Early reports did not indicate that he would be charged with the tougher crime of distribution leading to death, but he admitted to purchasing and passing the lethal dose from JR Quick to Schnippel and pleaded guilty to the charge on 12/9. The March 5, 2009 issue of Centreview quotes his attorney as stating that "he failed drug treatment four times, so being arrested probably saved his life."

02/27/09 - Joshua R (JR) Quick of Centreville and Manassas received a slightly reduced 19 year sentence for heroin distribution resulting in death because he had already served 355 days in jail for state charges related to his role in the heroin distribution that led to her death as well as other charges associated with his involvement in drug distribution in Fairfax and Prince William Counties. The March 5, 2009 Centreview reported that he had been incarcerated since April 2008 on state charges and was out on bond for other charges when he supplied the heroin that killed Alicia, At his Federal sentencing, the judge was reported as saying that "he kept dealing drugs after every arrest" and "the worst thing that happened to Quick was getting out on bond."

04/15/09 - Matthew Greenlee of Fairfax received a 20 year sentence for heroin distribution resulting in the 9/7/08 death of Carmen Somers from Falls Church. Not part of the original round of arrests, Mr. Greenlee was arrested in January of 2009 and Ms. Somers was reported to be the fourth death linked to the Fairfax County heroin distribution ring. The November and December 2008 arrests that included Schnippel, Quick and Nash were reported to have resulted in 3 deaths (Alicia Lannes, Duncan Parker, and an undisclosed "third" person).

Antonio Harper was also originally charged with heroin distribution resulting in death, but those charges were amended prior to his guilty plea. He received 26 years on the amended charges of conspiracy and weapons use.

Of the 16 defendants in these Federal charges, 5 received 20 years or more in prison. All of these individuals were reported to be continuing to distribute heroin despite arrests and deaths. The opportunity to rehab was clearly not going to stop them from spreading this insipid drug in our community.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: You know ()
Date: August 10, 2009 11:42PM

Rechecking the facts;

Duncan Parker was not part of the Schnippel, Quick, and Nash sentencing as he was a taret of the investigation in which the prosecuter per Bonnie Hobbs article said they did not act fast enough. Schnippel's case was only about Alicia Lannes' death. The obstruction of justice charge was a joke if you have read the text messages that were sent. Go online and read them. The sorry thing is that it did not matter as it all occurred prior to the November charges.

I think what everyone is forgetting is that Schnippel and Lannes were boyfriend and girlfriend for 2 years and she was a big partier prior to them dating. They shared the drugs together and used together according to what everyone says. Facts are that he was called home, he was not there. However in our world, you are now responsible for everyone else. Be careful who you lend your car to or a cocktail at your house. Scary world we live in when no one is responsible for there own actions. She had a choice to make and she made it. It is always easy to point figures and say there is the bad guy. It is hard to believe what you now see and read in the news.

Later

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Westfield Blues ()
Date: August 10, 2009 11:45PM

Rechecking the Facts Wrote:
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> With regard to allegations of "unfair treatment" for Schnippel, he was not the
> only defendant sentenced for "distribution resulting in death" and Alicia's death
> was not the only one prosecuted under this charge. They all resulted in a 20 year
> sentence for the person(s) responsible for a distribution directly linked to a death.


Thanks for clarifying these facts.

However, you didn't mention the cases of Jessica Remington and Angela Aycock.

On July 28, 2009, mustknow Wrote:
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> The Feds said to Remmington and Aycock,
> we will charge you with distribution that resulted
> in death with a sentence of 20 years unless you
> plead quilty to this other lesser charge. Given
> the choice, take the other charge. This shows
> that the prosecution has too much power to be able
> to pick and choose.


Although many factors can be involved in charging and suggested-sentencing
decisions, if what mustknow wrote is accurate, it does at least raise a question
of prosecutorial abuse of discretion.

In particular, while her efforts at rehabilitation are commendable, Aycock's
behavior appears to have been particularly egregious, in that she "introduced
'many, many people' to Harper so she could get heroin for free or at a reduced price,"
as reported in the Connection (CentreView, Northern Edition, July 23-29, 2009).

If in fact both she and Remington engaged in distribution resulting in death, why
were they not so charged? This apparent leniency towards one gender (by a judge
of the same gender) seems an artifact of an earlier era, and ill-placed in 2009.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Tired ()
Date: August 11, 2009 08:57AM

If you all had been in court you would have heard that the Lannes girl was way more involved... she was shooting the kids up... The kids had no time to try and get help... why are the cops not in trouble for doing a two year investagation... and all the while kids were dying... no one sees any of this... Not only did kids die but all have also lost their future... Cant do anything now but wait and think about what is the next step....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Botch ()
Date: August 11, 2009 01:35PM

The Lannes made sure everyone paid dearly for their innocent little girl who did introduce the drug to fellow friends. Remember, her mother and the prosecution said she is a savior and saved 16 lives. More like ruined 16 lives with her own actions. Very tired of it all.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Brian ()
Date: August 11, 2009 05:40PM

This gal Tori knows alot about this too:
http://victorialovething.blogspot.com/

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Harry ()
Date: August 11, 2009 08:19PM

Yes, and she's a very good writer.


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                                         "Try it once."

I was sixteen, and taking trips to the city to get dope had become a regular
thing for me. Every time I went, I was riding with older guys that had been
using for much longer then I had. It never occurred to me that what I was doing
was dangerous and risky and could also get me in trouble.

My affair with heroin had started when I was fifteen. The guys that I hung
around were using it; most used it occasionally, but some habitually. I had
been offered it before, but I was always too scared to to try it. Of course, at
fifteen years old, peer pressure was something that I always gave in to. The
third time I was offered heroin, I snorted a small amount, not enough to feel
it. After my sixteenth birthday, I snorted a larger amount and fell in love
with the feeling it gave me. Eventually, doing it every once-in-a-while, lead
to doing it once a week, which lead to every other day.

Fast forward a few months later, and there I was, in the passenger seat of
Brad's car while we listened to rock music on our way to the city. Justin was
sitting in the backseat, leaning his head on the window with his eyes closed.

"How long have you been doing dope?" I curiously asked Brad as I lowered the
volume of the music.

"Since I was about nineteen," he replied. "So, about five years."

"What's the longest you've gone without doing it?" I looked to him.

"I've gone almost a year without doing it before. I've quit cold-turkey quite a
few times," he told me.

I nodded, watching him as he drove. His knuckles were white as he clenched the
steering wheel tightly, and I guessed it was because he was starting to become
dopesick. He was wearing a black wife-beater that showed off his muscles and
his tattoos. He appeared to be too good-looking to be a heroin addict: his skin
was perfectly tanned, his hair was a shade of dirty blond, and he had those
enviable baby-blue eyes. He resembled an Abercrombie & Fitch model.

My heartbeat quickened as we pulled into the parking lot of the dingy apartment
complex. Brad found a place to park and turned the car off. He took the money
from me and Justin before hopping out of the driver's seat and slamming the
door behind him. Looking in the rear-view mirror, I could see him walk past the
rows of cars and then enter the building.

A very slow ten minutes had passed, and Brad had returned to the car and was
backing out of the parking space. When we got back onto the road, Brad passed
me the dope that I had bought, and handed me Justin's bags to give to him.

On the way back home, I discreetly took bumps from my bag of dope. The taste of
the dope as it dripped down the back of my throat was bitter, but it was a
taste that I had grown a certain liking to. Tasting that bitter flavor meant
the effects of the dope were about to kick in.

I snorted enough to get the warm-feeling in my chest and stomach, but not
enough to nod out. The reason was to avoid returning to my house fucked up and
then having my parents become angry, which almost always lead to a nasty and
relentless fight that involved my whole family.

Our first stop was Justin's house, and Brad pulled up to the curb in front of
the single-family home. Justin grabbed his jacket from the backseat of the car
and then jumped out, saying goodbye to Brad as he shut the car door behind him.
Brad began driving again as Justin walked up the concrete steps to the front
door of his house.

"I've been waiting for us to be alone," Brad said as he drove back toward the
main road.

"Oh, really?" I blushed.

We started talking about other things while he was driving - we talked about
our personal lives, but we talked mostly about heroin.

"Have you ever tried banging it?" Brad asked me.

"No, but I want to," I replied boldly. The pleasurable feeling that the dope
filled me with was beginning to fade away, leaving me feeling drowsy and sedated.

"Well, I have clean needles in here," Brad said, tapping the console between
us. "So, you can try it right now if you want to."

"Uh, I don't know," I answered timidly. I wasn't expecting him to put me on the
spot. The truth was that I had a few passing thoughts about shooting up heroin,
but I had no desire to.

Brad made a left turn and drove into a shopping center parking lot. He parked
the car in the very back, beside a fast food restaurant and away from the rest
of the cars. It was dark outside, but the car was parked underneath a street
lamp that shone brightly enough to see in the car without needing to turn the
interior lights on.

"So, do you want to do it?" Brad said, looking at me with his blue eyes.

"I'm not sure," I answered.

"You never have to do it again if you don't want to, Tori," he said.
"Try it once."

"Let me see you do it first," I replied, trying to buy time.

I watched as Brad reached into the console and got everything that he needed: a
new needle, a spoon, a lighter, cotton, and some water. He set the spoon on the
console and opened up one of the small baggies of dope that he had, pouring it
onto the spoon. He squirted water from the syringe into the spoon, and then
held the lighter's flame underneath of the spoon.

It was the first time I had seen anyone shoot up heroin before. I was used to
watching the people around me snort it instead. I knew of people that preferred
to shoot it, but they never did it around anyone.

While Brad concentrated on finding a vein and shooting the heroin into his arm,
I tried not to get too nervous. I was begging myself to say the words "I'm not
going to shoot it," but they wouldn't leave my throat. Instead, I was getting
anxious because I knew that I was going to give in. And just the though of
shooting dope scared me.

"Okay, ready?" Brad asked me as he took out a new needle from the bag in his
console.

"I'm worried," I said quietly. He laid the spoon down and continued getting my
shot ready.

"I wouldn't let anything bad happen to you," he told me. "Trust me."

And with that, he took my wrist and stretched my arm toward him. I straightened
my elbow as he pointed the tip of the needle upwards and flicked the barrel of
the syringe, pushing out the air bubbles. As he brought the needle to my arm,
my heart immediately started beating very hard and very fast.

"Wait!" I exclaimed, pulling my arm away.

"What is it?" He looked at me, puzzled.

"I don't know if I want to do this," I said. I was so nervous that my palms
were sweating, and my thoughts were racing.

"You will be fine," Brad promised.

"Okay," I agreed reluctantly.

I extended my arm once again, letting him gently grip my lower arm with his
hand. The needle was in his other hand, and he was scanning my inner elbow for
the best vein to use. I turned away and let out a small gasp as the needle
pierced my skin. Two seconds later, Brad had already pulled the needle back out.

"That wasn't too bad," I commented as I looked down at my arm.

And then, I felt it.

It started in my shoulders and my chest, and then tingles spread to my head and
down to my feet. My whole body got warm and amazingly relaxed.

"How do you like it?" Brad looked at me, smirking.

"Wow." It was all I could say.

I had never felt a greater feeling than that. I realized that it was so much
better then how I felt when I was just snorting it. I also realized that
injecting it wasn't as scary or intimidating as I thought it would be.

What I didn't realize, though, is that at that point, I had just crossed a very
bold and definitive line. And that once I crossed that line, that there was no
going back.

http://victorialovething.blogspot.com/2008/06/try-it-once.html

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: hope ()
Date: August 12, 2009 09:20AM

try it once... I hope that you are clean and are fighting the battle against heroin. This is every mothers nightmare... to know that you cant hold you child you cant stop blaming youself and wishing that you new the signs... or if you just ignored them because you didnt know how to help... You can grasp and hold your parents... and I hope you do that... alot of the kids here cant... hopefully you have learned something on this site... about how many years you can get for using and being in the wrong place at the wrong time... and we here can learn from you... the mothers dont understand the feeling... and why? You could help us with that...thank you for you time... and may God walk with you... away from drugs...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Me_too ()
Date: August 12, 2009 01:03PM

hope Wrote:
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> try it once...


She is not actually here, that was lifted from her blog. Go read it and leave a comment if you want - the link is there.

It is all fun until it isn't.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Tori ()
Date: August 13, 2009 02:30AM

I was led here from a link in the comment section of my blog. I thought that I would post a comment and say my piece.

First off, I live in Fairfax County. Clifton, actually. I've seen first-hand how heroin has taken over the lives of the young adults here- not just in Fairfax County, but in Northern Virginia. It happened very fast.

While I did not know all of the kids that were busted, I did know Antonio L. Harper, as he had been my drug dealer as well. I was not at all surprised to see that he was sentenced to 26 years. The sad part is that no matter how much time he does, there are still SO many lives that have been forever damaged. No matter where you point the finger or who you want to blame, the end results will remain the same.

Drug addiction can happen to anyone. But you have to be a manipulative and cold person to start with to go and sell drugs to young adults and underage kids. This goes for not only the drug dealers that stand on the block in DC, but also the young adults that live in the suburbs and take advantage of others with money. The reason these kids sold drugs to their peers is simple: They could keep their own addiction going if they could get others hooked. They knew exactly what they were doing.

However, the messed up part about all of this, is that even with the media coverage and the arrests and the overdose deaths and the jail... Addiction still keeps on keepin' on. There are still so many youths here that continue to do heroin as if nothing has happened.

There has to be an answer, right? I wish it was that simple.

Tori

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Harry ()
Date: August 13, 2009 03:42PM

Tori, I hope you don't mind my posting that material from your blog. It's a little off-topic, but I thought it added a valuable perspective to the discussion in this thread.


>But you have to be a manipulative and cold person to start with to go and sell drugs to young adults and underage kids.<

Along these lines, I must say I was not at all impressed with the actions of your friend Brad, who introduced you to the needle. Not cool, to say the least.

You're a very talented writer.

I wish you well.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: in the flesh ()
Date: August 23, 2009 03:44AM

fuck Bonnie Hobbs. that stuck up bitch has blown this entire story in a warped and fucked up direction.

karmas a bitch, Bonnie, and i'm sure you and the Lannes' will get whats coming to you all.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: August 23, 2009 04:03AM

The Lannes' lost their daughter, screwed up as she was... that isn't enough? Bloodthirsty is no way to go through life.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Common Sense ()
Date: August 23, 2009 12:13PM

Well there's a pretty simple answer that other people have already pointed out. If you don't want to ruin your life, don't get involved with heroin to begin with. I actually have more understanding for inner city drug dealers who have no access to jobs or good educations and fall into the world of drug dealing to make an income. Obviously it is wrong and will likely end with them in jail or dead but they probably are more worried about paying bills and feeding their kids. As for these suburban miscreants who choose to get involved with drug dealing and using hard drugs I have no sympathy for them.

I have seen too many former friends go down the same path of drug use and addiction and I can say firsthand that heroin addicts are some of the most selfish, degenerate, dishonest people you will ever meet. While many people who use heroin have other problems to begin with, a lot of these suburban drug addicts I have come across are simply selfish, spoiled, scumbags who have a total lack of accountability for their own actions and don't give a damn about the detrimental effects their drug use has on themselves and those around them.

Everyone knows what heroin does, if you choose to pick up a needle be ready to deal with the consequences and don't expect any sympathy because frankly a lot of people are sick of junkie scum ruining the lives of everyone who has the misfortune of encountering them.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: August 23, 2009 12:29PM

Common Sense spewed forth:
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> Well there's a pretty simple answer that other
> people have already pointed out. If you don't want
> to ruin your life, don't get involved with heroin
> to begin with. I actually have more understanding
> for inner city drug dealers who have no access to
> jobs or good educations and fall into the world of
> drug dealing to make an income.


Ah yes, addiction is okay if it is a less than fortunate inner city person. I call BS. Pell Grants will pay for a degree, and the grant benefit amount exceeds the cost of a community college. Stafford and Perkins loans are also available and are not based on credit or income.

Addiction is an equal opportunity affliction. It affects all socio-economical levels.


Common Sense continued spewing forth:
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>
> I have seen too many former friends go down the
> same path of drug use and addiction and I can say
> firsthand that heroin addicts are some of the most
> selfish, degenerate, dishonest people you will
> ever meet. While many people who use heroin have
> other problems to begin with, a lot of these
> suburban drug addicts I have come across are
> simply selfish, spoiled, scumbags who have a total
> lack of accountability for their own actions and
> don't give a damn about the detrimental effects
> their drug use has on themselves and those around
> them.


I call BS again. My experience is that crack and meth addicts are far worse than heroin addicts.

Actually, drunk drivers kill more people than addicts do. Talk about negatively affecting others.


Common Sense continued spewing forth:
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> Everyone knows what heroin does, if you choose to
> pick up a needle be ready to deal with the
> consequences and don't expect any sympathy because
> frankly a lot of people are sick of junkie scum
> ruining the lives of everyone who has the
> misfortune of encountering them.


The only think you have right in your entire post is choice. If you choose to pick up the needle, or even begin snorting, be prepared for the consequences.

However, those who have the misfortune of encountering addicts can always go to Al Anon for help.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Common Sense ()
Date: August 23, 2009 12:41PM

My point at beginning was that kids in the inner city have it rough, I've encountered many people from there and have friends who live in bad areas and it's not easy. Also I didn't say anything about addiction my point was that in an area like say Baltimore where less than 50% of kids graduate high school the problems and trappings start at a young age. Do you really think that because some random groups hand out grants and scholarships is going to change the effect that living in a harsh, violent, crime filled environment has on a young kid. You're lucky if you're 18 years old and have graduated high school without falling in with the gangs and drug dealers, there's not many positive role models in these areas.

Now on to these suburban fiends, I don't care whether it's crack, dope, speed, or whatever. These kids all think they can do whatever they want without facing the consequences and keep thinking it until they end up dead. And you're right about drunk driving thats a big problem too and it comes from the same mindset, but yeah let's keep defending the drug addicts.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: August 23, 2009 02:05PM

You're still not getting it.

Drugs and addiction is equal opportunity, and is not relegated to the inner cities due to lack of opportunity or positive role models...

All it takes is a choice to try it, and feel the effects. The rush of speed, the euphoria of coke, the sense of warmness from heroin (actually, I puked the first time).

That is it, the first experience. And the opportunity to experiment and become addicted is just as present in the suburbs as it is in the city.

Kids in the suburbs often have money, cars and other opportunities that inner city kids have to work much harder for. That does not preclude them from the same desire to escape society for a bit, the peer pressure to try a little pot and perhaps a little more, and hey, I'll only try this once...but the feeling, it is quite a sensation! What is just one more snort? A needle, perhaps just once.

Trust me on this, unless you have been there, you really have no idea.

"And as I watched my friends go down, one by one, I knew I was at the bottom, but a person really can't stop. Maybe tomorrow, but one more time won't hurt..."

It is all fun until it isn't.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What ?? ()
Date: August 23, 2009 07:32PM

Common Sense,

You make no sense, you post is total BS!!!!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: live from cell block c ()
Date: August 23, 2009 07:37PM

What ?? Wrote:
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> Common Sense,
>
> You make no sense, you post is total BS!!!!


Schnipple finally got internet access from Lewisburg!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Common Sense ()
Date: August 23, 2009 07:53PM

My post make's perfect sense you're just an idiot.

I'm not defending drug dealers, my point is drug dealer or user you fuck around with matches you're going to get burned. I feel sorry for that girl's family and her senseless death but people really need to take this tragedy and realize its only one more example of why you should NEVER touch shit like heroin to begin with.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Wow! ()
Date: August 24, 2009 08:44AM

(Common Sense) people dont wake up in the morning and say let me go get addicted to heroin today. It doesnt matter where you live drugs are everywhere and I am not sure where you are in all of this but when kids or people are trying a drug they are not using common sense it is usually because of pier pressure or just fitting in... or your buddy says man this stuff is good... and then you do it and heroin is highly addictive so it becomes your life... finding it... and getting it... anyone on drugs is not trust worthy... if they need money and they have an addiction kids/family members make up a lie to get the money... Maybe you have never had an addiction...or a friend... that used...and offered it to you but this is the real world... and these kids are all paying for their mistakes... and choices they have made.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Common Sense ()
Date: August 24, 2009 11:22AM

You talk about trying heroin like its pot. MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME ACROSS HEROIN DONT TRY IT BECAUSE ITS FUCKING RETARDED. EVERYONE, knows that heroin is one of the most addictive drugs out there, the old "I wont get addicted line" is played out, most people who try heroin have already been abusing drugs for years or have developed a habit with OxcyContin or some other painkiller/opiate. I've been offered every drug under the sun, so have most of my friends, the ones that were strong minded resisted and the ones who were weak unfortunately had to learn the hard way. In fact, most normal individuals when finding out someone uses heroin would probably realize thats a person they shouldn't be spending time with.

Choose your friends wisely, if your friend becomes a drug addict try hard to help them if they choose to continue their self destruction cut them off. They'll only end up robbing you or getting you involved in some fucked up situation.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Wow! ()
Date: August 24, 2009 12:24PM

wow you know everything you should run for president... since your so wise...hopefully you dont run into a moment you are not so up tight... sounds like you have other issues... you dont know these kids... so why are you on here anyways...since your life is so non addicted and happy about it.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What ?? ()
Date: August 24, 2009 11:43PM

Did anyone else see the news story on Channel 7 tonight about the increase of heroin use in Northern Virginia? Tonight's story was focused on two young teens in Prince William becoming heroin addicts. I hope just because the ring in Centreville has been busted, people don't think this whole heroin thing is behind us.

Parent and their kids better wake-up to what is going on around here!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Hmmmm... ()
Date: August 25, 2009 08:59PM

If you go back and read some of the articles about the Centreville ring, one of it's most persistent dealers (credited by the judge as using sophisticated marketing techniques including free samples to introduce new users to the drug) was dealing from his father's house in Centreville and, after repeated arrests, moved to his mother's house in Manassas (where he continued to sell heroin until arrested for the Lannes death). It's not surprising that teens in Prince William are now surfacing with an addiction to the same drug.

If you read the "Tori" blog that another poster excerpted on this site, she is actually from Clifton and also made trips to get heroin from the same DC dealer that was sentenced under the Lannes case. She claims that "the messed up part about all of this, is that even with the media coverage and the arrests and the overdose deaths and the jail... Addiction still keeps on keepin' on. There are still so many youths here that continue to do heroin as if nothing has happened."

There was a heroin dealer in this ring that went to Robinson, another from Woodson and a third from Fairfax and they were not Westfield students. One of the deaths was a girl from Falls Church.

This wasn't just a Centreville or Westfield problem, but somehow, all of these different cases and locations were connected enough to implicate each other when the police started connecting the dots.

We haven't seen a case yet where some heroin opportunist drove to Centreville and started propositioning HS kids to give heroin a try. Our kids went to the DC and Baltimore dealers. Someone came up with the bright idea that heroin would be neat to try and these kids helped each other seek it out, bring it back, and spread it across our communities to help support their own addictions.

Only 20 people were identified in these cases (and they were all dealers or dead). All of their activity stopped in 2008 with a series of arrests. We don't know how many more users and juveniles were identified during the investigation (but never publicized. Schnippel reportedly claimed that his Centreville/Manassas dealer had at least 30 clients, alone. You'd probably have to exponentially adjust that number to come up with the total number of people that were affected and just may be continuing to perpetuate heroin use with teens today.

Food for thought for all parents of teens in the Northern Virginia area and something to consider when sentencing the future heroin dealers that fill the void created by these convictions.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Wow! ()
Date: August 26, 2009 11:14AM

Hmmmmmm do you know the person you are posting about...Time to stop blaming stuff on the Centreville heroin ring... they are out of commission and some have been for a long time...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: AJ ()
Date: August 27, 2009 02:37AM

Before you bitch at these "bad" people you need to know them. I was friends with many of them on a personal level. No names, ones father was caught with a second family and he was selling for money to get an education. One was an eagle scout. Anothers mom had a major stroke and was emotionally devastated. A third was abused as a child... im sure the list goes on. Bad mouthing these people is wrong, however the things they did were horrible nevertheless.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: AJ ()
Date: August 27, 2009 02:48AM

the posts about addiction need to stop. unless your a doctor or an addict we dont need your crap on addiction. its real, its a disease, and you become helpless to the drug.

ps. common sense- "You talk about trying heroin like its pot. MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME ACROSS HEROIN DONT..." your whole shenagan is bullshit. im glad your not an addict, good for you really, but some people are. you are entitled to your opinions, but show some respect for people who aren't so lucky...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: YESSSSSSS ()
Date: August 27, 2009 09:29AM

I agree... thank you

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What ?? ()
Date: August 27, 2009 10:33AM

AJ,

Thank you for your post!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: What ?? ()
Date: August 27, 2009 11:10AM

I think HMMMMMMMMMMM raises several good points here.

What is happening to the allege 30 people JR was selling to? Only 16 were indited that's leave 14 unaccounted for?

What is going on with the other un-indicted co-conspirators, are they still out there using and selling or have they gotten treatment? (let's hope so)

I really think it is time for this board to move off the 16 that have been taken care of and focus on what can be done going forward to help others out there in our community. Channel 7 ran a story on Heroin use in Northern Virginia the other day, this is a growing problem as Baltimore is the east coast heroin capital. At some point in time maybe we'll wake up and start treating addiction as a medical instead of a criminal issue and spend resources on helping people instead of just building and filling up our jails!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Last Post ()
Date: August 27, 2009 02:58PM

ALLEGE is the answer to your question... read up on the person that said that... looks like he knows how to lie and ask others to lie for him so that he can get off charges... Like you said it is time to move on... so this will be the last time I will be on fairfaxunderground... and posting on this... so hopefully all that are on here learn from these kids/young people and understand that all is not how you see or hear it... to all take care...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: The 703 ()
Date: August 28, 2009 10:46AM

Does anyone know who the witness was that schnippel was trying to get lie for him that got him the obstruction of justice charge? Everyone thinks it was a guy but i heard it was a chick and he was setup?!?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: The 703 ()
Date: August 28, 2009 11:15AM

They still havent gotten the dealer that some of the other kids in cville went to. They call him Sin he's up in MD in the Marlow Heights area....

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Intel ()
Date: August 28, 2009 12:41PM

It was a girl with the initials LD that was a good friend of his. She was kicked out of her house by her mother and was living at other peoples homes in his neighborhood. She failed to show up at the grand jury meeting and was then caught with some pot in her car and they had her set him up with text messages.

Read the text messages in the indictment as they are really silly. You have to read the entire chain and not just one piece of it. "You can lie to them if you want to. LOL" Regardless of how ridiculous the text messages, any contact with anyone can be considered obstruction of justice.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Robert Hobbs ()
Date: August 28, 2009 02:37PM

The 703 Wrote:
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> Does anyone know who the witness was that
> schnippel was trying to get lie for him that got
> him the obstruction of justice charge? Everyone
> thinks it was a guy but i heard it was a chick and
> he was setup?!?


Try reading the Centreview instead of wiping your ass with it, there was a whole article about it

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Reader ()
Date: August 28, 2009 02:39PM

Robert Hobbs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The 703 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Does anyone know who the witness was that
> > schnippel was trying to get lie for him that
> got
> > him the obstruction of justice charge? Everyone
> > thinks it was a guy but i heard it was a chick
> and
> > he was setup?!?
>
>
> Try reading the Centreview instead of wiping your
> ass with it, there was a whole article about it


Related to that cunt, Bonnie?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: James R hobbs ()
Date: August 28, 2009 02:45PM

Reader Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Robert Hobbs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The 703 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Does anyone know who the witness was that
> > > schnippel was trying to get lie for him that
> > got
> > > him the obstruction of justice charge?
> Everyone
> > > thinks it was a guy but i heard it was a
> chick
> > and
> > > he was setup?!?
> >
> >
> > Try reading the Centreview instead of wiping
> your
> > ass with it, there was a whole article about it
>
>
> Related to that cunt, Bonnie?


Who is bonnie Hobbs?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Reader ()
Date: August 28, 2009 03:22PM

James R hobbs Wrote:
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> Reader Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Robert Hobbs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The 703 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Does anyone know who the witness was that
> > > > schnippel was trying to get lie for him
> that
> > > got
> > > > him the obstruction of justice charge?
> > Everyone
> > > > thinks it was a guy but i heard it was a
> > chick
> > > and
> > > > he was setup?!?
> > >
> > >
> > > Try reading the Centreview instead of wiping
> > your
> > > ass with it, there was a whole article about
> it
> >
> >
> > Related to that cunt, Bonnie?
>
>
> Who is bonnie Hobbs?

You should try reading the Centreview instead of wiping your ass with it.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: August 28, 2009 06:32PM

James R hobbs Wrote:
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>
> Who is bonnie Hobbs?

She is a sad excuse for a journalist who writes garbage for the free local weekly.

In the article posted earlier in this thread, which was published on July 30, she insinuates that Schnippel was not remorseful. Also included in that article are idiotic statements by ass't DA Barnett. Things such as only down and out or sexually abused kids have a reason to try drugs, and fine and upstanding students such as the 'other' suburban youth have no reason to get angled up in addiction.

Simply put, Hobbs writes moronic articles, with utterly baseless and factually incorrect quotes.

As I have previously stated, addiction is an equla opportunity affliction...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: read all about it ()
Date: August 28, 2009 06:32PM

Reader Wrote:
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> James R hobbs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Reader Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Robert Hobbs Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The 703 Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Does anyone know who the witness was that
> > > > > schnippel was trying to get lie for him
> > that
> > > > got
> > > > > him the obstruction of justice charge?
> > > Everyone
> > > > > thinks it was a guy but i heard it was a
> > > chick
> > > > and
> > > > > he was setup?!?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try reading the Centreview instead of
> wiping
> > > your
> > > > ass with it, there was a whole article
> about
> > it
> > >
> > >
> > > Related to that cunt, Bonnie?
> >
> >
> > Who is bonnie Hobbs?
>
> You should try reading the Centreview instead of
> wiping your ass with it.


youre right, your mother told me it was soft

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: AJ ()
Date: September 01, 2009 10:50AM

the obstruction of justice charge was given to a man. i know him personally. he was not involved in the ring, but was trying to cover for his friends...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jennifer ()
Date: October 22, 2009 01:59PM

Yea um to the SHUT THE FUCK UP GIRL!!! maybe if you friend went to rehab and SUPPOSEDLY came out the person she use to be then why was she selling herion in the first place. If you go to rehab you are supposed to take drugs COMPLETLEY out of you life.. not go sell them.. dumb ass.. maybe she does need to rot in jail for a couple of years are realize that doing drugs/selling drugs will get you in situations jail/death and those are basically the only to options so maybe this time whether she gets jail or rehab whatever. When she comes out maybe she will be a new person cause she is young and can change her life around.Yes she did not force those people to shoot the drug or even buy the drug. but she was the one dealing the drug so in some way she is responsible for killing those people. and Carmen Somers was one of my friends.... how would you feel it you had the tables turned on you and your little friend was the one that was dead.. you would be saying that those people that gave her the drugs should ROT... So Shut the Hell up beucase u are ignorant

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: un-fairfax aboveground ()
Date: October 22, 2009 02:41PM

only a month a 21 days late. nice timing?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/22/2009 02:42PM by un-fairfax aboveground.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: interested ()
Date: October 23, 2009 09:56PM

any recent news on this story lately? it's unbelievable to me how prevalent heroin is. hopefully the people involved are getting the help they need to overcome their addiction.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: THE TRUTH ()
Date: November 02, 2009 11:19AM

There were two people who got the obstruction charge. 703 the chick is Laruen Day. A mentally unstable cunt. You may remember her from years ago as the girl who made up the story that she almost got abducted from a path in Virginia Run because she wanted attention. She made up some bullshit that landed Schnippel in jail.
As far as Bonnie Hobbs she is also a biased bitch. The news is only looking at it from Lannes point of view. In return making everyone, mainly Schnippel, look like it was all their fault even though it is NOT.
Jennifer, Alicia was my friend I knew her very well. Just because the news is on Tv doesnt mean that it is always right. It just wants to play to the viewers to get ratings. Playing the "woh is this family for this tragedy." what about the other family's kids that are suffering.
Hasn't everyone suffered enough? I have read things in the news papers about famous people and not so famous people accidentally killing their friends in drunk driving accidents and what not. The families of the deceased didnt press charges cause the death of the friend IS HARD FUCKING ENOUGH.
The Lannes experienced something no parent should and that is losing their daughter let alone burying her. And I commend them for getting T off the streets. How ever it is sick that they are making other families like the Schnippels suffer like they are by having their son taken away much like their daughter was. Alicia is turning in her grave.

We all miss you Alicia.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: AJ ()
Date: November 15, 2009 04:26AM

jennifer Wrote:
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> Yea um to the SHUT THE FUCK UP GIRL!!! maybe if
> you friend went to rehab and SUPPOSEDLY came out
> the person she use to be then why was she selling
> herion in the first place. If you go to rehab you
> are supposed to take drugs COMPLETLEY out of you
> life.. not go sell them.. dumb ass.. maybe she
> does need to rot in jail for a couple of years are
> realize that doing drugs/selling drugs will get
> you in situations jail/death and those are
> basically the only to options so maybe this time
> whether she gets jail or rehab whatever. When she
> comes out maybe she will be a new person cause she
> is young and can change her life around.Yes she
> did not force those people to shoot the drug or
> even buy the drug. but she was the one dealing the
> drug so in some way she is responsible for killing
> those people. and Carmen Somers was one of my
> friends.... how would you feel it you had the
> tables turned on you and your little friend was
> the one that was dead.. you would be saying that
> those people that gave her the drugs should ROT...
> So Shut the Hell up beucase u are ignorant


--------
Its not the dealers fault that people overdose, the user is the one with the power to regulate themselves. Even if the dealer were to go away, or refuse to sell, the person would just find another dealer to go to.

And dont even bring up the point about the dealer getting the user hooked on dope, its bullshit. The user has to agree that they want the drug dealers product. I cant speak for everyone but i've never been tied down by a drug dealer and doped up. And if you want to blame the overdoses on the dealer, should car salesmen be responsible for selling a 17 y.o kid a fast car that he wrecks and kills people in? No.

However, I am not saying that the dealers should be unpunished. Stiff fines, Hundreds of hours of community service, and mandatory rehab clinics should be given to every one of the people involved.

Also, nobody, EVER, needs to "rot in jail". When you spend over a month locked up for non-violent crimes, then you can wish jail time on people. Until then shut the fuck up on your "maybe she does need to rot in jail for a couple of years" crap. Jail should be for violent criminals who are unsafe to the community. Drug users and dealers, unless violent, are not unsafe to the community.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: SLAP ()
Date: November 15, 2009 05:15PM

Jennifer, bitch slap yourself

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Sorry Kids ()
Date: November 15, 2009 08:15PM

I feel sorry for everyone involved!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: josh Brigham ()
Date: December 04, 2009 12:59AM

Legalize every drug there is! fuck all you guys, you can't see that the problem isn't that these people are selling drugs but that your children are buying them. They wouldn't bring the drug if there wasn't a market to exploit. teach you kids not to like drugs and they won't be able to sell. Its a simple supply and demand system people to cut out the supplier u need to cut out the desire. You guys are all ignorant and looking for a scapegoat. fuck yall

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MJM ()
Date: December 30, 2009 02:08AM

Westfield Blues Wrote:
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> Rechecking the Facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > With regard to allegations of "unfair treatment"
> for Schnippel, he was not the
> > only defendant sentenced for "distribution
> resulting in death" and Alicia's death
> > was not the only one prosecuted under this
> charge. They all resulted in a 20 year
> > sentence for the person(s) responsible for a
> distribution directly linked to a death.
>
>
> Thanks for clarifying these facts.
>
> However, you didn't mention the cases of Jessica
> Remington and Angela Aycock.
>
> On July 28, 2009, mustknow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Feds said to Remmington and Aycock,
> > we will charge you with distribution that
> resulted
> > in death with a sentence of 20 years unless you
> > plead quilty to this other lesser charge.
> Given
> > the choice, take the other charge. This shows
> > that the prosecution has too much power to be
> able
> > to pick and choose.
>
>
> Although many factors can be involved in charging
> and suggested-sentencing
> decisions, if what mustknow wrote is accurate, it
> does at least raise a question
> of prosecutorial abuse of discretion.
>
> In particular, while her efforts at rehabilitation
> are commendable, Aycock's
> behavior appears to have been particularly
> egregious, in that she "introduced
> 'many, many people' to Harper so she could get
> heroin for free or at a reduced price,"
> as reported in the Connection (CentreView,
> Northern Edition, July 23-29, 2009).
>
> If in fact both she and Remington engaged in
> distribution resulting in death, why
> were they not so charged? This apparent leniency
> towards one gender (by a judge
> of the same gender) seems an artifact of an
> earlier era, and ill-placed in 2009.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: mm ()
Date: December 30, 2009 02:10AM

FUCKKKKK ALLLL YOU GOSSIPPERSSSSSSSS i Just got the fuck out an NONE OF THEM IN WANTS TO CHATTIN ABOUT THEM!

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: DickTracey ()
Date: December 30, 2009 03:08AM

Shut up slim! Before I tie you up with this dental floss.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: update ()
Date: February 21, 2010 04:51PM

mini-documentary clip on the centreville heroin ring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOGAjjW2ZjI

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Your Neighbor ()
Date: February 22, 2010 12:19PM

Typical one sided journalism that we are so used too. I just love the fact that Greg Lannes claims to know what was said to her. Here take this drug as it will make your troubles go away. Amazing. The Lannes' are so clueless. They forget that their daughter was instrumental in introducing drugs to other kids in school.

Lets see, overdose the first time. Parents do nothing. Overdose the second time. Parents get her an apartment with Nicole Andersen. Alicia, Nicole, and Chavez all did drugs together in the apartment. Nice setup for her. Out of sight, out of mind. Overdose a third time and crash her car. They buy her a jeep. Look in the F-ING mirror Greg and stop blaming everyone else for your daughters choice that she made independently. Enough is enough.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: MANman ()
Date: February 22, 2010 12:30PM

I can't agree more.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: friendly reminder ()
Date: February 22, 2010 03:46PM

agree agree agree. even though this case has died down since it was wrapped up over the summer, i still cannot seem to get over how ignorant mr. & mrs. lannes were, and continue to be. i knew alicia all through high school, so let's set the record straight: she was not a perfect little angel who got taken advantage of by her big bad boyfriend who preyed on her anxiety and told her to "take heroin, it will make you feel better." really, mr. lannes? are we in an after-school special here? alicia was into drugs and alcohol before skylar ever came into the picture. so her eventual heroin use should have come as no suprise, and certainly cannot be pinpointed on skylar. news flash: your kid can "seem" like a perfect angel but still be doing drugs (by their own choice) behind closed doors. i can only imagine how mr. & mrs. schnippel feel when they watch things like this. i miss alicia a lot, but the lannes' need to get a grip on reality.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: let's see ()
Date: February 23, 2010 01:05PM

Now taking bets on how long it will be before this melodrama gets put on Dateline NBC or gets made into a Lifetime movie.

Probably will never make motion picture status, although it does have a very Hollywood-esque "puppy love gone wrong" story (Skylar & Alicia) at the center of it.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Never ()
Date: February 23, 2010 06:21PM

Sounds kind of boring. This is not like Alpha Dog.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: yupper ()
Date: February 24, 2010 12:59PM

It's a shame the Lannes didn't get involved and vocal after their daughter's FIRST OD.

What a sad story.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Friend of the ring ()
Date: February 03, 2012 02:45PM

To all of the people who don't live in Centreville or know any of the people in the ring, you should keep your mouth shut because you werent there and obviously don't know what happened. Worry about yourself and you should pray for these people instead of cursing them. "he who has not sinned may cast the first stone."

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: hey ()
Date: February 03, 2012 02:53PM

Friend of the ring Wrote:
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> To all of the people who don't live in Centreville
> or know any of the people in the ring, you should
> keep your mouth shut because you werent there and
> obviously don't know what happened. Worry about
> yourself and you should pray for these people
> instead of cursing them. "he who has not sinned
> may cast the first stone."

Good job bumping a two year old thread. I am/was friends with a few people from the ring and they seem to be doing better now except for a few of em, but I wont mention any names.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: February 03, 2012 03:20PM

When you say doing better , do you mean they have a better connection now, and get higher quality heroin for a cheaper price?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: @beh ()
Date: February 03, 2012 03:23PM

BEH Wrote:
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> When you say doing better , do you mean they have
> a better connection now, and get higher quality
> heroin for a cheaper price?

Funny.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Zeeke ()
Date: February 28, 2012 06:45AM

I know this is old news but I just discovered this story the other day. I really do feel bad for everyone involved in this, I don't think these kids are the monsters everyone wants to think they are. Heroin has become quite a popular drug as of late in the young adult crowd and really I don't think these kids today even know what they're getting into when they start doing this stuff. It's like they think addiction is a joke and that they can easily stop if they feel they are getting to deep, but by the time they become addicted they start to realize its not that easy, that they can be in excruciating pain with out it because of their physical dependence, they didn't know what withdrawals felt like before obviously, so there is no way to really RESPECT THE POWER OF ADDICTION and how much it can change your life until you become addicted.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: fromW ()
Date: February 28, 2012 06:10PM

damn ppl on the east coast

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: ross b. ()
Date: February 29, 2012 03:34AM

I am a recovering addict one thing I learned from my past from being addicted is compassion something I think a lot of the people commenting on here lack for not only these kids but probably for anyone.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 29, 2012 06:43AM

let's see if y'all can read this.
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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Jack Warden ()
Date: February 29, 2012 07:31AM

Lets reopen it in 18 years when everyone gets out of Federal prison, good morning guys, whats for breakfast there?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: jamesd ()
Date: March 02, 2012 04:57AM

pound me in the ass prison hahaha

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Blurp ()
Date: May 24, 2012 09:03PM

If I see Alex Bonneville trespass in my yard again I'll make him wish he ODed too. That kid is a total scumbag.

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"The horse jumped over the fucking fence." - Kurt Vonnegut



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2012 09:03PM by Blurp.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: icurrumbuh ()
Date: February 20, 2017 08:43PM

JR didn't do 19.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Joke Insurance ()
Date: February 20, 2017 09:50PM

Didn't one of the offenders go to Fairfax High School?

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Anonymous123 ()
Date: March 12, 2017 07:58PM

Well, he never did get clean. He died of an overdose.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Anonymous123 ()
Date: March 12, 2017 07:59PM

Well, that last was Matt Megale, who was convicted when he was 18.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Great news ()
Date: March 13, 2017 12:26AM

White junkies dropping dead like flies.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: RIPMatt ()
Date: March 14, 2017 04:12PM

Was very disappointed to hear of Matt's passing. The Megales are a great family and some of the least deserving of this hardship. RIP Matt.

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: WEST ()
Date: September 03, 2017 12:00PM

sad rip

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: Cville Nignog ()
Date: April 09, 2023 11:14AM

Three more years for the scapegoat, Skylar Schnippel. May of 2026 to be exact.

What the hell do you even do when you get released from being locked up since 2008? I know that his family still lives on Surrey House Way in Centreville's Virginia Run neighborhood. I guess they'll probably just take their grownass 37-year-old son back in and try to find him some basic employment? Taco Bell is calling...

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Re: Heroin Ring Busted in Centreville
Posted by: FarifaxRehab ()
Date: April 10, 2023 12:08AM

Opiates are highly addictive drugs that can lead to heroin addiction. The use of prescription painkillers, such as oxycodone or hydrocodone, can lead to dependence and the need for stronger opioids. Heroin, which is cheaper and more readily available than prescription opioids, can become an attractive alternative. The transition from prescription opioids to heroin can be swift and dangerous.

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