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Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: 6X ()
Date: August 29, 2013 04:32PM

Cop shot dude in his house when he opened the door. Now they just let him die.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/29/2013 05:03PM by 6X.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.
Posted by: WTF? ()
Date: August 29, 2013 04:36PM

6X Wrote:
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> Cop shot dude in his house when he opened the
> door. Now just let him die.

And let that be a lesson to criminals!

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.
Posted by: 6X ()
Date: August 29, 2013 04:48PM

WTF? Wrote:
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> 6X Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cop shot dude in his house when he opened the
> > door. Now just let him die.
>
> And let that be a lesson to criminals!


Don't open the door with anything in your hands that might look like a gun even if you are just holding it by your side. It only takes 7 mins to bleed to death. It's been over 20mins.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.
Posted by: Rusty Nail. ()
Date: August 29, 2013 04:57PM

Tippys Taco

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Missing Link ()
Date: August 29, 2013 05:09PM

Link?

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: 6X ()
Date: August 29, 2013 05:13PM

Missing Link Wrote:
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> Link?


I am the link. Looks like there is no need to take him to the hospital....RIP dude

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Tough One ()
Date: August 29, 2013 06:19PM


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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: The Neighborhood Watch! ()
Date: August 29, 2013 06:35PM

Suspect in Fairfax Co. Barricade Situation Dead
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Shots-Fired-at-Springfield-Va-Home-221693811.html

Fairfax County Police confirmed the suspect in a Springfield, Va. barricade Thursday was shot and killed by officers.

Crews were dispatched to the 7900 block of Pebble Brook Court around 2:30 p.m. for a domestic disturbance. Police say an individual inside the home refused to let officers inside, and police fired one shot inside the home at around 3:30 p.m.

The home's front door was knocked in by a police tanker as SWAT team members made their way inside at approximately 5 p.m. Officials later confirmed the gunshot fired by police earlier in the afternoon had killed the suspect.

Police say residents around the area had been told to stay inside their homes.
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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Date: August 29, 2013 06:41PM

Dey used dat truk to open nigga's doe!

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Geography Stickler ()
Date: August 29, 2013 06:41PM

That is not West Springfield. It's at the southern end of what can be considered the Springfield area, almost Lorton.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Kicked Out ()
Date: August 29, 2013 08:50PM

looks like a matruss on the ground near the front door. Probably was kicked out and went off

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Colleen ()
Date: August 29, 2013 09:58PM

The report says that the cops were called for a "domestic disturbance".

But, the man was alone.

How does THAT work?

They shot a guy who was alone in his home????

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Officer Poncherello ()
Date: August 29, 2013 10:11PM

Easier than keeping Walmart parking lot clear of punk ass kids. Guy was hoarding donuts.

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Posted by: chuckhoffmann ()
Date: August 30, 2013 02:45AM

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: mawg ()
Date: August 30, 2013 06:17AM

Need answers as to why they killed the man.
They aren't saying much, and its probly for a reason

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Future History ()
Date: August 30, 2013 08:04AM

Nothing in any of the news reports that John Geer showed any sort of weapon, or advanced toward them. Police will need some time to develop their justification story.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Colleen ()
Date: August 30, 2013 08:17AM

chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> Colleen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The report says that the cops were called for a
> > "domestic disturbance".
> >
> > But, the man was alone.
> >
> > How does THAT work?
> >
> > They shot a guy who was alone in his home????
>
> Either another person who lived in the house fled
> the scene, or Geer was causing such a commotion
> that someone else in the neighborhood called the
> cops.
>
> There's a Maura Harrington listed at the same
> address, 7907 Pebble Brook Court, as the decedent,
> John Geer. Maybe he got in a fight with his
> girlfriend, she ran off and called the cops,
> helpfully letting them know that Geer had guns in
> the house.

I think of course there were guns in the house. A report said his common law wife is a DEA agent. Most of them are armed.

Also, a report on the 11:00 news (Channel 4) last night was speculating that his wife and children will be grieving. They also said there was a 911 call from a woman.

With the info right now, this seems quite fishy.

Was he set up? Dunno. But the cops still shot a guy who was alone in his house. I'd like to know more about that 911 call...like who made it and why.

Then I'd like to know why they shot a guy alone in his home.

I understand that when cops respond to a call knowing that arms are available to the person about whom the caller is complaining, they are more on guard; but that doesn't justify killing a man in his home. It's not illegal to have legally obtained arms (and there's no info that any arms there were illegal) in one's home...yet.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: 7PEn4 ()
Date: August 30, 2013 08:19AM

Militant cops. I bet the Department would buy fully loaded Abram tanks if they had they were allowed to.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Justified Shooting ()
Date: August 30, 2013 08:23AM

Rumor is that the guy was holding a handful of blueberries. As everyone knows, that's presenting an imminent danger to the entire community. Clearly the shooting was justified.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: 6X ()
Date: August 30, 2013 08:25AM

The girl friend or wife left the house and went to the neighbors house. Not sure why she called the police or why they shot him in his home.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: svennestle ()
Date: August 30, 2013 08:26AM

it could be an eviction

if you refuse a false eviction notice, even if you are legally correct, they will come shoot you

that's on the "human watch list" of course. very popular in texas recently

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: svennestle ()
Date: August 30, 2013 08:32AM

ooooh a woman !!! well woman are evil that explains the whole thing.

no way to say if it's justified. did he harm the woman or did she lie to get him in trouble becasue she's a total bitch?

we'll never know probably. they likely aren't releasing details. but who knows!

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: paul andrew ()
Date: August 30, 2013 10:17AM

if the individual in the dwelling is know to have a gun and is reported for making

threats and if police arrive and order the person out of the house and the person

refuses and is seen carrying and or pointing the gun at police officers, they (the police) are

justified to shoot back. Unfortunately avoinding a deadly shot is not a predictability with guns, even for an expert shooter.

I live in this area and the last gun shooting by police that was fatal was outside Kay Jenning Toyota in I think 2011 or 2012. The man came at the Police Officer with a knife.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Wazzat ()
Date: August 30, 2013 10:23AM

Paul, are you saying that simply being REPORTED for making a threat (no confirmation), refusing entrance without a warrant, and CARRYING a gun justifies a non- judicial death sentence?

I think you'd be more comfortable living in a totalitarian state, like North Korea. Living in a nation with our Constitution appears to disagree with you.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: DrHenryKillinger ()
Date: August 30, 2013 11:03AM

Wazzat Wrote:
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> Paul, are you saying that simply being REPORTED
> for making a threat (no confirmation), refusing
> entrance without a warrant, and CARRYING a gun
> justifies a non- judicial death sentence?
>
> I think you'd be more comfortable living in a
> totalitarian state, like North Korea. Living in a
> nation with our Constitution appears to disagree
> with you.

It's disgusting, I agree. But let's save our outrage for when they tell us the offending officer will be allowed back on duty. Who knows what the DA will do to this one. After firing that last guy, it's up in the air. Though in that case he would deserve criminal charges...

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: same dance in Loudoun ()
Date: August 30, 2013 11:11AM

When we stop paying attention, say a month from now, FCPD will list the reason why the cops MURDERED this guy.

Then an investigation will reveal that the shooting was justified.

I guess until this police brutality hits us personally, we just won't give a shit about other people.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: assumptions ()
Date: August 30, 2013 12:26PM

We don't know all the facts associated with this case. To accuse anyone of murder without knowing the barest of facts, and calling it "police brutality" is completely ridiculous. How would you like it if someone charged you with murder based on the same lack of evidence that was presented in the online articles?

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Crunked Up FCPD ()
Date: August 30, 2013 12:43PM

Another botched and murderous police action by the FCPD, a bunch of keystone cops.

Because its personnel spend 75% of their on-duty time attempting to ensnare drivers on their way to work edging 10 MPH over the speed limit in order to make up for lost time sitting in traffic, the FCPD has no real training or experience when it comes to ACTUAL troublesome police action.

One shot and a kill. The victim: a man standing in his own doorway. It will take three months for the FCPD and the County Attorney to cook up a story, whitewash the investigation, and exonerate all involved. Where was the gun. Hey officers, we only need one left behind, not 23.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Awesome ()
Date: August 30, 2013 01:19PM

Seriously-shut the fuck up already stoner.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: The Hard Truth ()
Date: August 30, 2013 01:48PM

Awesome Wrote:
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> Seriously-shut the fuck up already stoner.

If he's a stoner, then you're a fascist.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Trayvon Martin ()
Date: August 30, 2013 01:57PM

assumptions Wrote:
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> We don't know all the facts associated with this
> case. To accuse anyone of murder without knowing
> the barest of facts, and calling it "police
> brutality" is completely ridiculous. How would
> you like it if someone charged you with murder
> based on the same lack of evidence that was
> presented in the online articles?


Exactly. Just like they handled my case. Besides, I'm still dead.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: silence speaks volumes ()
Date: August 30, 2013 02:23PM

If it was justified, then why aren't the cops saying the guys aimed a weapon at them, etc or some other BS.

Just like the dangerous 100lb asian woman at costco holding the pizza cutter.

I bet the spouse/girlfriend is regretting calling the cops now.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
Date: August 30, 2013 02:28PM

That type of response to just a domestic dispute call? A little excessive don't you think?. WOW, he as a single firearm. What a threat to several(most likely dozens) of Trained Armed Officers. Lets also call in Swat, and a damn armored vehicle while were at it. Ridicules.

Welcome to the militarization of American Police.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
Date: August 30, 2013 02:34PM

Civil war is on the way. You can be sure about that. There are many well trained and well armed civilians out there ready to fight to defend the constitution.

1776!

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Mr GFR ()
Date: August 30, 2013 03:15PM

Crunked Up FCPD Wrote:
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> Another botched and murderous police action by the
> FCPD, a bunch of keystone cops.
>
> Because its personnel spend 75% of their on-duty
> time attempting to ensnare drivers on their way to
> work edging 10 MPH over the speed limit in order
> to make up for lost time sitting in traffic, the
> FCPD has no real training or experience when it
> comes to ACTUAL troublesome police action.
>
> One shot and a kill. The victim: a man standing
> in his own doorway. It will take three months for
> the FCPD and the County Attorney to cook up a
> story, whitewash the investigation, and exonerate
> all involved. Where was the gun. Hey officers,
> we only need one left behind, not 23.


One shot with one hit is actually really good for a patrol cop.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Mr GFR ()
Date: August 30, 2013 03:17PM

Geography Stickler Wrote:
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> That is not West Springfield. It's at the
> southern end of what can be considered the
> Springfield area, almost Lorton.


You an idiot....its is the West Springfield police station area. There is no "almost Lorton" police station.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Mr GFR ()
Date: August 30, 2013 03:26PM

Does anybody have any real info on what really happened? Anybody witness it? I think 6X has the best info as it sounds it he was listening to the police radio on his scanner. The press release put out had so little information that the police would have been better off not putting out a press release at all.

So 6X....what did the radio say when the cops sent there? What were the cops saying before the guy got shot? Was the guy threatening to shoot his wife? shoot the police? Himself? what was being said?

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Agreed--sort of ()
Date: August 30, 2013 03:33PM

look-I wasn't there. Neither were any of you. And I don't care about cops one way or the other. They, like the postman, serve a civil purpose. So be it.

But I'm not gonna rant about what they did, because I have no idea. Does the FCPD screw up? Of course they do. Every police dept does. I do know this, if the SWAT team was there, with a freaking tank I'm guessing this dipshit was probably going nuts inside, seeing as how it takes a SWAT team hours to mobilize, not seconds. I also know if the cops surround your house and you are stupid enough to answer the door with a gun in your hand, you are gonna get shot. People who just scream police brutality without actually knowing what happened are just people who hate cops because of their own reasons, usually involving them being arrested for doing something stupid.

You don't like FCPD? Fine, move somewhere else. Don't like cops at all? Move to Afghanistan. But honestly you just have zero credibility when you start talking about police states and police brutality when you don't have a damn clue what actually went down. View is pretty clear from the couch I guess.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: 6X ()
Date: August 30, 2013 04:02PM

Mr GFR Wrote:
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> Does anybody have any real info on what really
> happened? Anybody witness it? I think 6X has the
> best info as it sounds it he was listening to the
> police radio on his scanner. The press release put
> out had so little information that the police
> would have been better off not putting out a press
> release at all.
>
> So 6X....what did the radio say when the cops sent
> there? What were the cops saying before the guy
> got shot? Was the guy threatening to shoot his
> wife? shoot the police? Himself? what was being
> said?


I'm sorry I don't have all the info I did not have the scanner on. I turned it on after he was shot. The cops said he was holding something in his hand pointed down. They think it was a gun 357. He then grabed his side as he was shot and went back inside and closed the door and died.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: incorrect assumption ()
Date: August 30, 2013 04:04PM

I used to live in a townhouse community off of the parkway near Rolling Road.

About 3 years ago, a neighbor several houses away was having some sort of mental breakdown.

The cops were called and I am not kidding --they sent the SWAT team in. We are talking full gear, commandos, like we would see when we invade Syria next week.

The old guy could not have been less physically threatening-no weapon. He ended up in the back yard of his house which backs up to woods-so he was behind the houses. The SWAT guys tackled the guy--I am shocked he wasn't killed just by the sheer force.

My point is this, I saw first hand how nutty these FCPD guys are.

Go FOIA the times the chopper is called out and for the stupid reasons. Car thefts, kids breaking into schools.

THEY HAVE TOO MANY EXPENSIVE TOYS provided by the taxpayers and feel compelled to use them.

THEY HAVE ZERO...repeat ZERO common sense.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 30, 2013 04:12PM

assumptions Wrote:
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> We don't know all the facts associated with this
> case. To accuse anyone of murder without knowing
> the barest of facts, and calling it "police
> brutality" is completely ridiculous. How would
> you like it if someone charged you with murder
> based on the same lack of evidence that was
> presented in the online articles?


Its up to the cops to justify the use of force. In cases when it was justified its blatently obvious: He had a gun, there were hostages, he was threatening people with a weapon ect.

Hes the problem with the entire incident. BY THEIR OWN REPORTS the guy was killed when a cop shot a bullet into the house. They werent making entry, there was no exchange of gun fire, no one in danger, the cop just decided to take a shot at the guy and kill him and did.

It really is as simple as he fired a shot into the house for no reason and it killed the guy. That makes you a murderer. No lucky for the cop he works for FCPD so he wont even get suspended and theres a better chance of the Nationals Redskins and Capitals all having undefeated seasons in the same year through the championship than there is of him ever facing charges.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Charles Chip ()
Date: August 30, 2013 04:24PM

This reminds me of the time the cops shot and killed that girl that was eating potatoe chips because she had her hand in the bag and they could not see it.
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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: History Lesson ()
Date: August 30, 2013 04:30PM

Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
Date: August 30, 2013 02:34PM

Civil war is on the way. You can be sure about that. There are many well trained and well armed civilians out there ready to fight to defend the constitution.

1776!


Hey genius 1776 was the American Revolution not Civil War. Dumb shit.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: What I've heard... ()
Date: August 30, 2013 04:44PM

...from someone who was about 150 yards away when he got shot. He had his hands in the air when the police were at his door before they shot him. The witness did not see the actual shooting but only heard it. The witness turned and saw the man turn away and close his door. The cops then told everyone in the neighborhood to go inside. The cavalry was called in. I feel really bad for the guy's family and his close neighbors. The neighborhood looked like a war zone last night.

I'm interested to hear if he was in fact holding a gun. I fear we may never know for sure. Either way it's a horrible situation for all involved.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 30, 2013 04:58PM

What I've heard... Wrote:
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> I'm interested to hear if he was in fact holding a
> gun. I fear we may never know for sure. Either way
> it's a horrible situation for all involved.


I feel like they would have immediately released that fact if he was since that would justify it. Generally the longer it takes for the explanation the more likely a cover up is going on.

Even then it wouldnt make sense to fire a single shot and then go back and wait. More than 1 shot would have been fired and they would have moved in when they saw him go down.

This reeks of his gun going off by accident (which theres no excuse for) or he just felt like doing it and it seemed like a good idea at the time to take a shot at him (again no excuse).

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
Date: August 30, 2013 05:06PM

Well aware of that, buddy. However, what is coming will be categorized as a civil war. Through which, we shall achieve what was achieved in 1776. Didn't get the gist of what i was saying.



Dumb shit.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: What I've heard... ()
Date: August 30, 2013 05:07PM

I think you may be correct about the cop's gun going off on accident. I hate to speculate but this incident hits close to home. My further speculation is that the cop who shot him went to St. Raymond's shortly afterward to either pray or confess. I listened to the scanner app on my way home and heard one asking what the name of that church was. Pure speculation though.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
Date: August 30, 2013 05:09PM

History Lesson Wrote:
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> Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
> Date: August 30, 2013 02:34PM
>
> Civil war is on the way. You can be sure about
> that. There are many well trained and well armed
> civilians out there ready to fight to defend the
> constitution.
>
> 1776!
>
>
> Hey genius 1776 was the American Revolution not
> Civil War. Dumb shit.


Well aware of that, buddy. However, what is coming will be categorized as a civil war. Through which, we shall achieve what was achieved in 1776. Didn't get the gist of what i was saying.



Dumb shit.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
Date: August 30, 2013 05:16PM

OverseaObserver Wrote:
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> History Lesson Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Posted by: OverseaObserver ()
> > Date: August 30, 2013 02:34PM
> >
> > Civil war is on the way. You can be sure about
> > that. There are many well trained and well
> armed
> > civilians out there ready to fight to defend
> the
> > constitution.
> >
> > 1776!
> >
> >
> > Hey genius 1776 was the American Revolution not
> > Civil War. Dumb shit.
>
>
> Well aware of that, buddy. However, what is coming
> will be categorized as a civil war. Through which,
> we shall achieve what was achieved in 1776. Didn't
> get the gist of what i was saying.
>
>
>
> Dumb shit.


What is coming in actuality, is the mixture of the two. Plus WW3 going on at the same time.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 30, 2013 05:20PM

What I've heard... Wrote:
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> I think you may be correct about the cop's gun
> going off on accident. I hate to speculate but
> this incident hits close to home. My further
> speculation is that the cop who shot him went to
> St. Raymond's shortly afterward to either pray or
> confess. I listened to the scanner app on my way
> home and heard one asking what the name of that
> church was. Pure speculation though.


Im honestly not sure what would be worse an accidental shooting or if he did just randomly decide to take a shot.

A single shot though has accident written all over it. The only time you hear about single shot police shootings are when a sniper does it. The lack of immediate information though is a tell tale sign something went wrong or someone acted inappropriately.

Assuming it was an accident he needs to lose his badge at the very least. Anyone else would be in jail for years if they accidentally killed someone.

Someone above mentioned to wait and see what the DA would do since the last time the cop was actually fired, but they only did that because the Feds were threatening an investigation of their own. FCPD had all intention of leaving him on duty until the Feds threatened involvement, hence it was many months later they acted. A Federal investigation would have ended in charges and likely meant that they would have looked into past shootings as well for cover ups. If the Feds stay out of it expect nothing to happen other than a slap on the wrist.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Tough One ()
Date: August 30, 2013 05:20PM

Crunked Up FCPD Wrote:
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> Another botched and murderous police action by the
> FCPD, a bunch of keystone cops.
>
> Because its personnel spend 75% of their on-duty
> time attempting to ensnare drivers on their way to
> work edging 10 MPH over the speed limit in order
> to make up for lost time sitting in traffic, the
> FCPD has no real training or experience when it
> comes to ACTUAL troublesome police action.
>
> One shot and a kill. The victim: a man standing
> in his own doorway. It will take three months for
> the FCPD and the County Attorney to cook up a
> story, whitewash the investigation, and exonerate
> all involved. Where was the gun. Hey officers,
> we only need one left behind, not 23.

Police aren't perfect, and FCPD does have some officers that are less than exemplary. However, when you compare them to other departments of the same size, you'll realize they are far from "the Keystone Cops." I'd trust them a lot more, than some local yokel out in the middle of nowhere, or one of the batshit crazy NYPD or LAPD folks.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: The Neighborhood Watch! ()
Date: August 30, 2013 05:26PM

Officer Involved Shooting in Springfield Area
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2013/082913oispebblebrook.htm

Fairfax County Police Department
Public Information Office
4100 Chain Bridge Road, Fairfax, Va. 22030
703-246-2253. TTY 703-204-2264. Fax 703-246-4253
FCPD-PIO@fairfaxcounty.gov
www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police
News Release: E132412019/(7)
August 29, 2013


Officer Involved Shooting in Springfield Area

West Springfield Police District - Police are investigating an officer involved shooting that occurred this afternoon. Around 2:40 p.m. officers responded to a domestic dispute in the 7900 block of Pebble Brook Court involving a man whom the complainant advised was armed with a firearm. Upon arrival of police, several officers encountered the complainant outside the residence. The officers conducted negotiations with the man at the front door of the residence and they attempted to have him come out of the home peacefully. During the negotiations a patrol officer fired a single shot that struck the man. The man then barricaded himself inside the residence.

For the purpose of rendering aid, the police hostage rescue vehicle was utilized to allow a safe approach and entry into the residence. Once inside, tactical officers found the man deceased.

The decedent has been identified as 46-year-old John Geer. The officer involved was placed on routine administrative leave while the investigation continues.

All information provided in this release is based on preliminary investigation and may be subject to revision as the investigation continues.



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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 30, 2013 05:32PM

Tough One Wrote:
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> Police aren't perfect, and FCPD does have some
> officers that are less than exemplary. However,
> when you compare them to other departments of the
> same size, you'll realize they are far from "the
> Keystone Cops." I'd trust them a lot more, than
> some local yokel out in the middle of nowhere, or
> one of the batshit crazy NYPD or LAPD folks.

LAPD and NYPD actually have real crime they constantly deal with. That said they also suffer from the same mentality that FCPD does in the sense that once you have the badge youre untouchable so they never weed out the bad cops and have a militaristic view of their job. At least with them though you can understand how they got to that point, how FCPD did in a low crime area is a completely different guess.

The local "yokel" is far less likely to view his role as a military occupier and have the us vs them mentality the bigger departments do. They of course will also have their share of bad cops but compared to this area they generally arent out trying to make everyone a criminal.

FCPD arent keystone cops and there are a lot of good ones, but as a whole theyre far closer to the keystone cops than the ultra professional elite organization they think they are.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Policy ()
Date: August 30, 2013 06:03PM

A while ago the FCPD pounded on more door in the wee hours of the morning, woke me up, and forcefully demanded to search the house. When I asked if they had a warrant, and they said they did not, I told them they could not enter. I suppose I should be glad they did not kill me.

Getting back to this thread, if this was an accidental shooting, at some point the citizens of Fairfax will have to determine how frequently they will accept having the police kill someone who is not a threat. Such killings have happened before in Fairfax. If it happened again, what frequency is acceptable? One police caused death every 5 years? 10? 20?

Here's a suggestion: drive the number of deaths to zero by eliminating the root cause, the militarization of the police. Turn them from an occupying force to people who protect and serve.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 30, 2013 06:35PM

Policy Wrote:
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> Getting back to this thread, if this was an
> accidental shooting, at some point the citizens of
> Fairfax will have to determine how frequently they
> will accept having the police kill someone who is
> not a threat. Such killings have happened before
> in Fairfax. If it happened again, what frequency
> is acceptable? One police caused death every 5
> years? 10? 20?

How about we start using the same standard that everyone is held accountable too. A police caused death is acceptable as long as its necessary. The frequency is irrelevant only the justification matters. If they have to shoot and kill someone every week so be it, but an accidental death/unjustified shooting is never acceptable.

Frankly only getting fired is getting off easy, anyone else would be in jail for years. Its sad that we hold the military to a higher use of force standard than we do the police.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Ye Ole Woodson Man ()
Date: August 30, 2013 07:33PM

I am wondering if it was a regular officer who shot the man or was it the SWAT team, or is the SWAT unit there to enter later?

If it was SWAT my guess it would be a sniper shot and that would be if the man had a weapon training it out the window or door on police, if not then anything goes.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Somali Mann ()
Date: August 30, 2013 07:37PM

Anyone watched the homemade/cell phone footage the media is playing? I can't watch it, because my computer is acting up.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 30, 2013 07:55PM

chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> The only FCPD officer ever fired for being
> involved in a fatal shooting was David Scott
> Ziants, who shot David Masters on November 13,
> 2009, and that took an 18 month investigation to
> resolve.

The only reason he was even fired was because the FEDs threatened to launch their own investigation. FCPD was going to do nothing and leave him on duty but with the threat of the FED investigation they fired him. They know the FEDs investigation would have ended in criminal charges and would have looked at past shootings for the systematic cover up we all know they engage in.

Essentially they just fired him to save the department the massive embarrassment and firings that would have resulted. You could literally make a career as a lawyer just representing people wrongfully killed/shot by FCPD. Its so bad even Forbes ran an article about how no FCPD officer has ever been charged for a murder in an unjustified shooting.

> No FCPD officer has ever been criminally charged
> for an on-duty shooting, even in cases where the
> person shot was found to be unarmed or was a
> bystander.

Thats also a huge problem. They have no shortage of wrongful shootings and have paid out 10s of millions over the years yet no one is ever held accountable and often times they go on to get promotions.

Theres absolutely no accountability for their actions making them above the law. Thats not how it should be. If you wrongfully kill someone the very minimal thing that needs to happen is you get fired and thank god you arent spending the next few years if not decades of your life in jail.

They should have the same standards everyone else has. If the shootings justified theres nothing to worry about. If youre the type to be trigger happy or accidentally shoot a weapon you need to find a new line of work and depending on the individual circumstances need to spend some time behind bars.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Shelly ()
Date: August 31, 2013 01:12AM

You're mostly a bunch of fucking gossip monger vultures! The "estranged girlfriend" called 911 when she arrived home from work and daw the dude throwing all her shit on the front lawn. He was violently, dangerously drunk. She did not "conveniently" let the police know he had weapons;it's a standard question the dispatcher asks on a 911 call of this nature. Get it straight or don't spew shit you fucking morond

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Shelly ()
Date: August 31, 2013 01:15AM

Nope sorry. Dude was 'old dominion' whiter than white

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: SomeWhereIn22153 ()
Date: August 31, 2013 01:59AM

Who the hell can you trust anymore- this world has gone just completely mad.This hits too freaking close to home to me, wait- Springfield IS my hometown of 42 yrs now. I am not sure of ALL complete details, but excuse me if there was a 911 call made in report and Mr. John Greer was in his home-alone, refused entrance into the home due to no warrant or cause (he was alone)-showed no just cause to be a threat to on scene officers- Excuse me but this cop should go DOWN, with no lessened charges bared and yes, absolutely - get the death penalty in Murder in the first degree w/no trial and no time delayed. No excuse- or public safety defense. he chose his profession in a act of duty to serve citizens- of all dispositions and rights as human beings. Instead, took law into his own hands and killed this man. Never mind the soured relationship/domestic dispute. Let us not forget, this man was a father. For the record 1/3 persons suffer from some form of mental depression. It should have been treated as such, with the fullest of safety precautions, but not at the disposal of someone's LIFE!!!!!!!! I don't know this person, his family- but I am very saddened for his family, and what- at this point- points in every direction as a true lack of justice. Horrified at the cost of someone's life.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: SomeWhereIn22153 ()
Date: August 31, 2013 02:15AM

It's not about law books/laws/by laws- and the wading through, it's about facts and human compassion-professional acts in accordance of. With everything stacked currently in what has been released, AP and as this case is in under investigation-FED protection, staging etc etc etc-We all know what's to be expected in outcome- but it certainly won't bring Mr. John Geer back-Father/Son/Brother to his "family". Imagine for a minute-what pain they are experiencing in this presently & ahead.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Mr GFR ()
Date: August 31, 2013 02:44AM

What I've heard... Wrote:
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> I think you may be correct about the cop's gun
> going off on accident. I hate to speculate but
> this incident hits close to home. My further
> speculation is that the cop who shot him went to
> St. Raymond's shortly afterward to either pray or
> confess. I listened to the scanner app on my way
> home and heard one asking what the name of that
> church was. Pure speculation though.


Complete made up bullshit

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: JustAsking ()
Date: August 31, 2013 07:12AM

I knew a John Geer at Jeb Stuart HS in the early 80's, I wonder if it's the same guy. He would be around 46 now. RIP dude.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Anonymous-one ()
Date: August 31, 2013 07:51AM

OverseaObserver Wrote:
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> That type of response to just a domestic dispute
> call? A little excessive don't you think?. WOW, he
> as a single firearm. What a threat to several(most
> likely dozens) of Trained Armed Officers. Lets
> also call in Swat, and a damn armored vehicle
> while were at it. Ridicules.
>
> Welcome to the militarization of American Police.

We are missing the point here.

The point is look at that Armored vehicle. I saw it on the news report last night. It looks just like a tank. Is it a tank? I want more information....

The 2 seconds I saw that vehicle on the news it showed it has "Fairfax County" written on the front.

Yo, Yo, Yo! We got a tank. How bad ass is that? Look out Loudoun County. You better be nice to us. We got a tank and are not affraid to use it.

Does anyone have any information on our tank? I am really excitted about this.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Columbo ()
Date: August 31, 2013 08:28AM

Piece of shit thug motherfucker pussy fucking FAIRFUX county cop!

Let me guess, the fuckin trigger happy murderer that shot this man will be be found justified by the crooked piece of crap Commonwealth's Attorney.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: WTF, over? ()
Date: August 31, 2013 10:55AM

Welcome to the United Police States of America!

"Do what we say or we'll execute you!"

This crap all started after 9/11 and the massive influx of federal money to local police departments. This money was used to purchase assault rifles and paramilitary training. Now, add to the mix the hiring of former military who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, many of whom have been in numerous firefights and are comfortable discharging weapons at people, and you've got quite a problem for the local civilian population.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Columbo ()
Date: August 31, 2013 11:11AM

And citizens are perfectly within their rights to not only own firearms but also to have a falling out with their spouse.
What, the police consider that an excuse to barge into the situation and shoot the man in cold blood.
If the dude was a danger to his girlfriend or someone else he would have already shot someone or brandished before the cops even knew there was a scorned bitch seeking retaliation by telling the cops "oh he's armed".
I as a citizen feel much more in danger with the cops behaving this way.
And you pussy ass citizens will just look the other way. Fuck That!
If the article in the Compost is inaccurate, then the Compost should be held criminally responsible for inciting such anger in me and a few other citizens who are fucking fed up with lies from the mainstream.
If the article in the Compost is accurate, then the Commonwealth's Attorney better find the cop criminally responsible for a minimum of murder in the second degree. If this is just pushed under the rug like other murders and murder cover-ups by The Fairfax County judicial system, then Fairfax county will become a dangerous place to live.
If reporters get away with inciting the public and/or the law breaks the law and gets away with it, then there is no law.
Get this SHIT RIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Rudd ()
Date: August 31, 2013 11:17AM

WTF, over? Wrote:
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> Welcome to the United Police States of America!
>
> "Do what we say or we'll execute you!"
>
> This crap all started after 9/11 and the massive
> influx of federal money to local police
> departments. This money was used to purchase
> assault rifles and paramilitary training. Now, add
> to the mix the hiring of former military who
> served in Iraq and Afghanistan, many of whom have
> been in numerous firefights and are comfortable
> discharging weapons at people, and you've got
> quite a problem for the local civilian population.

I wont comment on whether the use of a gun was justified but I do agree with the police now being a paramilitary group. I see metro cops with full auto rifles and cringe when I think of the devastation they can cause with one burst of the rifle.
I wonder how much is really needed like a tank and is it justifiably used or used because it has to be justified.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Bottom Line ()
Date: August 31, 2013 04:02PM

Should the police ignore an armed man who threatens to use his firearms to kill people because he's angry at the world because of some failed boyfriend-girlfriend relationship?

Should they just walk away and just hope he calms down? What would the liability be if the police just walked away and the man decides to take his guns and rage outside?

The police HAS to take action in a volatile situation like this. First off, the man needed to be contained at the house and not allowed to leave else he becomes a public menace. He may be the nicest person in the world, but in a time of mental crisis, a person can feel like there is no point in living and may feel the need to lash out.

Secondly, the police need to talk the man down. Ask him to put away his firearms and voluntarily go with the police to get the psychiatric counseling that he desperately needs. From all accounts on the news, the police spent 40 minutes trying to negotiate a surrender. 40 minutes? That certainly does not sound like a "militant police department" that just looks for an excuse to shoot people.

Everyone seems to want to hang the police for doing their job. The officer or officers who fired the shot were put in a situation that no one wants to be in. Those officers have families. Those officers have friends. Those officers took an oath to protect the public. And yes, that same oath binds an officer into taking someone's life if his life or someone else's life is in danger.

The bottom line? A man was in mental crisis. The police are sent in to deal with the crisis. The man was armed with a firearm and put the officers in a situation where they had to choose between his life and their own as well as the public's safety. There are no winners.

Pray for the family of the deceased, but let us not forget to pray for the officer or officers that had to make that split second decision. That officer or officers will forever be traumatized and will second guess themselves for the rest of their lives.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Colleen ()
Date: August 31, 2013 04:09PM

Bottom Line Wrote:
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> Should the police ignore an armed man who
> threatens to use his firearms to kill people
> because he's angry at the world because of some
> failed boyfriend-girlfriend relationship?
>
> Should they just walk away and just hope he calms
> down? What would the liability be if the police
> just walked away and the man decides to take his
> guns and rage outside?
>
> The police HAS to take action in a volatile
> situation like this. First off, the man needed to
> be contained at the house and not allowed to leave
> else he becomes a public menace. He may be the
> nicest person in the world, but in a time of
> mental crisis, a person can feel like there is no
> point in living and may feel the need to lash out.
>
>
> Secondly, the police need to talk the man down.
> Ask him to put away his firearms and voluntarily
> go with the police to get the psychiatric
> counseling that he desperately needs. From all
> accounts on the news, the police spent 40 minutes
> trying to negotiate a surrender. 40 minutes?
> That certainly does not sound like a "militant
> police department" that just looks for an excuse
> to shoot people.
>
> Everyone seems to want to hang the police for
> doing their job. The officer or officers who
> fired the shot were put in a situation that no one
> wants to be in. Those officers have families.
> Those officers have friends. Those officers took
> an oath to protect the public. And yes, that same
> oath binds an officer into taking someone's life
> if his life or someone else's life is in danger.
>
> The bottom line? A man was in mental crisis. The
> police are sent in to deal with the crisis. The
> man was armed with a firearm and put the officers
> in a situation where they had to choose between
> his life and their own as well as the public's
> safety. There are no winners.
>
> Pray for the family of the deceased, but let us
> not forget to pray for the officer or officers
> that had to make that split second decision. That
> officer or officers will forever be traumatized
> and will second guess themselves for the rest of
> their lives.


Where's the information that allows you to conclude that Geer threatened to harm anyone. let alone kill them, or even kill them with a firearm?


Where'd the information that allows you to conclude that Geer was armed?

Where's the information that Geer was armed when he was shot when standing in the threshold of his own home?

What law dictates that a person who is unarmed and in their own home and not breaking a law which requires that person to "surrender" to the police?

Finally, please cite the law that says a couple cannot argue with each other, and cite the law that gives cops the duty of resolving a couple's argument?

TIA

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Columbo ()
Date: August 31, 2013 04:30PM

As long as we have dingbat citizens like "BOTTOM LINE" nothing will change and actually the gestapo police situation will get worse.
Thank you Colleen for bringing some sane reasoning to this horrible tragic murder (if the Compost reporter was accurate)

"Bottom Line" if your family member was on the receiving end of that bullet you would see how wrong you are!!!!

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 31, 2013 05:00PM

Bottom Line Wrote:
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> Should the police ignore an armed man who
> threatens to use his firearms to kill people
> because he's angry at the world because of some
> failed boyfriend-girlfriend relationship?
>
> Should they just walk away and just hope he calms
> down? What would the liability be if the police
> just walked away and the man decides to take his
> guns and rage outside?
>
> The police HAS to take action in a volatile
> situation like this. First off, the man needed to
> be contained at the house and not allowed to leave
> else he becomes a public menace. He may be the
> nicest person in the world, but in a time of
> mental crisis, a person can feel like there is no
> point in living and may feel the need to lash out.
>
>
> Secondly, the police need to talk the man down.
> Ask him to put away his firearms and voluntarily
> go with the police to get the psychiatric
> counseling that he desperately needs. From all
> accounts on the news, the police spent 40 minutes
> trying to negotiate a surrender. 40 minutes?
> That certainly does not sound like a "militant
> police department" that just looks for an excuse
> to shoot people.
>
> Everyone seems to want to hang the police for
> doing their job. The officer or officers who
> fired the shot were put in a situation that no one
> wants to be in. Those officers have families.
> Those officers have friends. Those officers took
> an oath to protect the public. And yes, that same
> oath binds an officer into taking someone's life
> if his life or someone else's life is in danger.
>
> The bottom line? A man was in mental crisis. The
> police are sent in to deal with the crisis. The
> man was armed with a firearm and put the officers
> in a situation where they had to choose between
> his life and their own as well as the public's
> safety. There are no winners.
>
> Pray for the family of the deceased, but let us
> not forget to pray for the officer or officers
> that had to make that split second decision. That
> officer or officers will forever be traumatized
> and will second guess themselves for the rest of
> their lives.

You left out the part where a single foot patrol officer fired a single shot at the very start. It wasnt during a breaching situation where we brandished a gun, it wasnt a sniper shot, it was either a mistake or a because I felt like it shot. You dont engage someone by firing a single shot and backing off.

The officer should second guess themselves for it and they should do the honorable thing and give up their badge before it has to be taken from them for an unjustified shooting.

You can try and spin the situation all you want facts dont support your claims. If the guy was armed the first thing the police would have done is released how he was armed to justify the shooting, they didnt.

You may be okay with Judge Dredd type police, the rest of us arent.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: James ()
Date: August 31, 2013 05:09PM

Policy Wrote:
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> A while ago the FCPD pounded on more door in the
> wee hours of the morning, woke me up, and
> forcefully demanded to search the house. When I
> asked if they had a warrant, and they said they
> did not, I told them they could not enter. I
> suppose I should be glad they did not kill me.
>
> Getting back to this thread, if this was an
> accidental shooting, at some point the citizens of
> Fairfax will have to determine how frequently they
> will accept having the police kill someone who is
> not a threat. Such killings have happened before
> in Fairfax. If it happened again, what frequency
> is acceptable? One police caused death every 5
> years? 10? 20?
>
> Here's a suggestion: drive the number of deaths to
> zero by eliminating the root cause, the
> militarization of the police. Turn them from an
> occupying force to people who protect and serve.


This is a bull shit story. I don't doubt that the police came to your house but why don't you tell the other half of the story about why they were there?

They didn't pick your house out of thousands to visit in the middle of the night.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Botton Line ()
Date: August 31, 2013 05:13PM

Where's the information that he was armed and threatened to use that firearm? We all have to wait for it. The police has a "wonderful" policy (the sarcasm is intended) for never releasing information about an ongoing investigation. What typically happens in our society is that public opinion start to form prior to all the facts being known.

Is it wrong of me to assume the man was angry and armed based solely on the 911 radio traffic heard on the scanner? Maybe. But if so, it's just as wrong to assume that the man was UNARMED and was shot solely because he had an argument with his girlfriend. Which is the more likely scenario?

The bottom line is that some people are so willing to criticize based on beliefs rather than the facts. But that is human nature. We are impatient.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 31, 2013 05:35PM

Botton Line Wrote:
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> Where's the information that he was armed and
> threatened to use that firearm? We all have to
> wait for it. The police has a "wonderful" policy
> (the sarcasm is intended) for never releasing
> information about an ongoing investigation. What
> typically happens in our society is that public
> opinion start to form prior to all the facts being
> known.

Bullshit, they released information about taking down an armed suspect immediately. They only time theyre quiet is when something went wrong or they did something wrong. They arent chasing suspects everything is over.

> Is it wrong of me to assume the man was angry and
> armed based solely on the 911 radio traffic heard
> on the scanner? Maybe. But if so, it's just as
> wrong to assume that the man was UNARMED and was
> shot solely because he had an argument with his
> girlfriend. Which is the more likely scenario?

No the facts tell us that. Someone whose armed doesnt not shoot back after a shots fired at him. Police dont shoot a single shot from a handgun at an armed suspect ever. Taking the shot right off the bat wouldnt have been their first option for someone in their house alone.

> The bottom line is that some people are so willing
> to criticize based on beliefs rather than the
> facts. But that is human nature. We are
> impatient.


The bottom line is the facts dont line up with your account of it. Nor does the action of the police.

The real bottom line is for whatever reason youre trying to justify what they did which theres no justification for. A cop approached the house and either took a shot for no reason or accidentally took one. Either way his time with a badge should be done

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Clarified ()
Date: August 31, 2013 05:40PM

Colleen Wrote:
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> Bottom Line Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Should the police ignore an armed man who
> > threatens to use his firearms to kill people
> > because he's angry at the world because of some
> > failed boyfriend-girlfriend relationship?
> >
> > Should they just walk away and just hope he
> calms
> > down? What would the liability be if the
> police
> > just walked away and the man decides to take
> his
> > guns and rage outside?
> >
> > The police HAS to take action in a volatile
> > situation like this. First off, the man needed
> to
> > be contained at the house and not allowed to
> leave
> > else he becomes a public menace. He may be the
> > nicest person in the world, but in a time of
> > mental crisis, a person can feel like there is
> no
> > point in living and may feel the need to lash
> out.
> >
> >
> > Secondly, the police need to talk the man down.
>
> > Ask him to put away his firearms and
> voluntarily
> > go with the police to get the psychiatric
> > counseling that he desperately needs. From all
> > accounts on the news, the police spent 40
> minutes
> > trying to negotiate a surrender. 40 minutes?
> > That certainly does not sound like a "militant
> > police department" that just looks for an
> excuse
> > to shoot people.
> >
> > Everyone seems to want to hang the police for
> > doing their job. The officer or officers who
> > fired the shot were put in a situation that no
> one
> > wants to be in. Those officers have families.
> > Those officers have friends. Those officers
> took
> > an oath to protect the public. And yes, that
> same
> > oath binds an officer into taking someone's
> life
> > if his life or someone else's life is in
> danger.
> >
> > The bottom line? A man was in mental crisis.
> The
> > police are sent in to deal with the crisis.
> The
> > man was armed with a firearm and put the
> officers
> > in a situation where they had to choose between
> > his life and their own as well as the public's
> > safety. There are no winners.
> >
> > Pray for the family of the deceased, but let us
> > not forget to pray for the officer or officers
> > that had to make that split second decision.
> That
> > officer or officers will forever be traumatized
> > and will second guess themselves for the rest
> of
> > their lives.
>
>
> Where's the information that allows you to
> conclude that Geer threatened to harm anyone. let
> alone kill them, or even kill them with a
> firearm?
>
>
> Where'd the information that allows you to
> conclude that Geer was armed?
>
> Where's the information that Geer was armed when
> he was shot when standing in the threshold of his
> own home?
>
> What law dictates that a person who is unarmed and
> in their own home and not breaking a law which
> requires that person to "surrender" to the
> police?
>
> Finally, please cite the law that says a couple
> cannot argue with each other, and cite the law
> that gives cops the duty of resolving a couple's
> argument?
>
> TIA

Well since you're too lazy to look up the VA state code here they are...

§ 15.2-1704. Powers and duties of police force.

A. The police force of a locality is hereby invested with all the power and authority which formerly belonged to the office of constable at common law and is responsible for the prevention and detection of crime, the apprehension of criminals, the safeguard of life and property, the preservation of peace and the enforcement of state and local laws, regulations, and ordinances.

B. A police officer has no authority in civil matters, except (i) to execute and serve temporary detention and emergency custody orders and any other powers granted to law-enforcement officers in § 16.1-340, 16.1-340.1, 37.2-808, or 37.2-809, (ii) to serve an order of protection pursuant to §§ 16.1-253.1, 16.1-253.4, and 16.1-279.1, (iii) to execute all warrants or summons as may be placed in his hands by any magistrate serving the locality and to make due return thereof, and (iv) to deliver, serve, execute, and enforce orders of isolation and quarantine issued pursuant to §§ 32.1-48.09, 32.1-48.012, and 32.1-48.014 and to deliver, serve, execute, and enforce an emergency custody order issued pursuant to § 32.1-48.02. A town police officer, after receiving training under subdivision 8 of § 9.1-102, may, with the concurrence of the local sheriff, also serve civil papers, and make return thereof, only when the town is the plaintiff and the defendant can be found within the corporate limits of the town.

(Code 1950, § 15-557; 1960, c. 167; 1962, c. 623, § 15.1-138; 1982, c. 38; 1984, c. 661; 1992, cc. 729, 742; 1995, c. 844; 1997, c. 587; 1998, c. 425; 1999, c. 495; 2007, c. 724; 2008, cc. 551, 691; 2010, cc. 778, 825.)

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§ 18.2-479.1. Resisting arrest; fleeing from a law-enforcement officer; penalty.

A. Any person who intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a law-enforcement officer from lawfully arresting him, with or without a warrant, is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

B. For purposes of this section, intentionally preventing or attempting to prevent a lawful arrest means fleeing from a law-enforcement officer when (i) the officer applies physical force to the person, or (ii) the officer communicates to the person that he is under arrest and (a) the officer has the legal authority and the immediate physical ability to place the person under arrest, and (b) a reasonable person who receives such communication knows or should know that he is not free to leave.

(2003, cc. 112, 805.)

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use of lethal force...

§ 18.2-308. Carrying concealed weapons; exceptions; penalty.

A. If any person carries about his person, hidden from common observation, (i) any pistol, revolver, or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind by action of an explosion of any combustible material; (ii) any dirk, bowie knife, switchblade knife, ballistic knife, machete, razor, slingshot, spring stick, metal knucks, or blackjack; (iii) any flailing instrument consisting of two or more rigid parts connected in such a manner as to allow them to swing freely, which may be known as a nun chahka, nun chuck, nunchaku, shuriken, or fighting chain; (iv) any disc, of whatever configuration, having at least two points or pointed blades which is designed to be thrown or propelled and which may be known as a throwing star or oriental dart; or (v) any weapon of like kind as those enumerated in this subsection, he is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. A second violation of this section or a conviction under this section subsequent to any conviction under any substantially similar ordinance of any county, city, or town shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony, and a third or subsequent such violation shall be punishable as a Class 5 felony. For the purpose of this section, a weapon shall be deemed to be hidden from common observation when it is observable but is of such deceptive appearance as to disguise the weapon's true nature. It shall be an affirmative defense to a violation of clause (i) regarding a handgun, that a person had been issued, at the time of the offense, a valid concealed handgun permit.

B. This section shall not apply to any person while in his own place of abode or the curtilage thereof.

C. Except as provided in subsection A of § 18.2-308.012, this section shall not apply to:

1. Any person while in his own place of business;

2. Any law-enforcement officer, wherever such law-enforcement officer may travel in the Commonwealth;

3. Any person who is at, or going to or from, an established shooting range, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

4. Any regularly enrolled member of a weapons collecting organization who is at, or going to or from, a bona fide weapons exhibition, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

5. Any person carrying such weapons between his place of abode and a place of purchase or repair, provided the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported;

6. Any person actually engaged in lawful hunting, as authorized by the Board of Game and Inland Fisheries, under inclement weather conditions necessitating temporary protection of his firearm from those conditions, provided that possession of a handgun while engaged in lawful hunting shall not be construed as hunting with a handgun if the person hunting is carrying a valid concealed handgun permit;

7. Any State Police officer retired from the Department of State Police, any officer retired from the Division of Capitol Police, any local law-enforcement officer, auxiliary police officer or animal control officer retired from a police department or sheriff's office within the Commonwealth, any special agent retired from the State Corporation Commission or the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, any conservation police officer retired from the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, any Virginia Marine Police officer retired from the Law Enforcement Division of the Virginia Marine Resources Commission, any campus police officer appointed under Chapter 17 (§ 23-232 et seq.) of Title 23 retired from a campus police department, and any retired investigator of the security division of the State Lottery Department, other than an officer or agent terminated for cause, (i) with a service-related disability; (ii) following at least 15 years of service with any such law-enforcement agency, board or any combination thereof; (iii) who has reached 55 years of age; or (iv) who is on long-term leave from such law-enforcement agency or board due to a service-related injury, provided such officer carries with him written proof of consultation with and favorable review of the need to carry a concealed handgun issued by the chief law-enforcement officer of the last such agency from which the officer retired or the agency that employs the officer or, in the case of special agents, issued by the State Corporation Commission or the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board. A copy of the proof of consultation and favorable review shall be forwarded by the chief or the Board to the Department of State Police for entry into the Virginia Criminal Information Network. The chief law-enforcement officer shall not without cause withhold such written proof if the retired law-enforcement officer otherwise meets the requirements of this section. An officer set forth in clause (iv) who receives written proof of consultation to carry a concealed handgun shall surrender such proof of consultation upon return to work or upon termination of employment with the law-enforcement agency. Notice of the surrender shall be forwarded to the Department of State Police for entry into the Virginia Criminal Information Network. However, if such officer retires on disability because of the service-related injury, and would be eligible under clause (i) for written proof of consultation to carry a concealed handgun, he may retain the previously issued written proof of consultation. A retired law-enforcement officer who receives proof of consultation and favorable review pursuant to this subdivision is authorized to carry a concealed handgun in the same manner as a law-enforcement officer authorized to carry a concealed handgun pursuant to subdivision 2.

7a. Any person who is eligible for retirement with at least 20 years of service with a law-enforcement agency or board mentioned in subdivision 7 who has resigned in good standing from such law-enforcement agency or board to accept a position covered by a retirement system that is authorized under Title 51.1, provided such person carries with him written proof of consultation with and favorable review of the need to carry a concealed handgun issued by the chief law-enforcement officer of the agency from which he resigned or, in the case of special agents, issued by the State Corporation Commission or the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board. A copy of the proof of consultation and favorable review shall be forwarded by the chief, Board or Commission to the Department of State Police for entry into the Virginia Criminal Information Network. The chief law-enforcement officer shall not without cause withhold such written proof if the law-enforcement officer otherwise meets the requirements of this section.

For purposes of applying the reciprocity provisions of § 18.2-308.014, any person granted the privilege to carry a concealed handgun pursuant to subdivision 7 or this subdivision, while carrying the proof of consultation and favorable review required, shall be deemed to have been issued a concealed handgun permit.

For purposes of complying with the federal Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004, a retired or resigned law-enforcement officer who receives proof of consultation and review pursuant to subdivision 7 or this subdivision shall have the opportunity to annually participate, at the retired or resigned law-enforcement officer's expense, in the same training and testing to carry firearms as is required of active law-enforcement officers in the Commonwealth. If such retired or resigned law-enforcement officer meets the training and qualification standards, the chief law-enforcement officer shall issue the retired or resigned officer certification, valid one year from the date of issuance, indicating that the retired or resigned officer has met the standards of the agency to carry a firearm;

8. Any State Police officer who is a member of the organized reserve forces of any of the armed services of the United States, national guard, or naval militia, while such officer is called to active military duty, provided such officer carries with him written proof of consultation with and favorable review of the need to carry a concealed handgun issued by the Superintendent of State Police. The proof of consultation and favorable review shall be valid as long as the officer is on active military duty and shall expire when the officer returns to active law-enforcement duty. The issuance of the proof of consultation and favorable review shall be entered into the Virginia Criminal Information Network. The Superintendent of State Police shall not without cause withhold such written proof if the officer is in good standing and is qualified to carry a weapon while on active law-enforcement duty.

For purposes of applying the reciprocity provisions of § 18.2-308.014, any person granted the privilege to carry a concealed handgun pursuant to this subdivision, while carrying the proof of consultation and favorable review required, shall be deemed to have been issued a concealed handgun permit;

9. Any attorney for the Commonwealth or assistant attorney for the Commonwealth, wherever such attorney may travel in the Commonwealth;

10. Any person who may lawfully possess a firearm and is carrying a handgun while in a personal, private motor vehicle or vessel and such handgun is secured in a container or compartment in the vehicle or vessel; and

11. Any enrolled participant of a firearms training course who is at, or going to or from, a training location, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported.

D. This section shall also not apply to any of the following individuals while in the discharge of their official duties, or while in transit to or from such duties:

1. Carriers of the United States mail;

2. Officers or guards of any state correctional institution;

3. Conservators of the peace, except that an attorney for the Commonwealth or assistant attorney for the Commonwealth may carry a concealed handgun pursuant to subdivision C 9. However, the following conservators of the peace shall not be permitted to carry a concealed handgun without obtaining a permit as provided in this article: (i) notaries public; (ii) registrars; (iii) drivers, operators or other persons in charge of any motor vehicle carrier of passengers for hire; or (iv) commissioners in chancery;

4. Noncustodial employees of the Department of Corrections designated to carry weapons by the Director of the Department of Corrections pursuant to § 53.1-29; and

5. Harbormaster of the City of Hopewell.

(Code 1950, § 18.1-269; 1960, c. 358; 1964, c. 130; 1975, cc. 14, 15, 594; 1976, c. 302; 1978, c. 715; 1979, c. 642; 1980, c. 238; 1981, c. 376; 1982, cc. 71, 553; 1983, c. 529; 1984, cc. 360, 720; 1985, c. 427; 1986, cc. 57, 451, 625, 641; 1987, cc. 592, 707; 1988, cc. 359, 793; 1989, cc. 538, 542; 1990, cc. 640, 648, 825; 1991, c. 637; 1992, cc. 510, 705; 1993, cc. 748, 861; 1994, cc. 375, 697; 1995, c. 829; 1997, cc. 916, 921, 922; 1998, cc. 662, 670, 846, 847; 1999, cc. 628, 666, 679; 2001, cc. 25, 384, 657; 2002, cc. 699, 728, 826; 2004, cc. 355, 423, 462, 876, 885, 900, 901, 903, 905, 926, 995, 1012; 2005, cc. 344, 420, 424, 441, 839; 2006, c. 886; 2007, cc. 87, 272, 408, 455; 2008, cc. 69, 75, 80, 309, 464, 742; 2009, cc. 235, 779, 780; 2010, cc. 387, 433, 576, 586, 602, 677, 700, 709, 740, 741, 754, 841, 863; 2011, cc. 231, 234, 384, 410; 2012, cc. 132, 175, 291, 557, 776; 2013, cc. 559, 746.)

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Colleen ()
Date: August 31, 2013 05:45PM

Cool.

Now, where is the information that Geer did any of that.

TIA.

Nice effort, though.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Clarified ()
Date: August 31, 2013 05:47PM

Liberal Logic 27 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Botton Line Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Where's the information that he was armed and
> > threatened to use that firearm? We all have to
> > wait for it. The police has a "wonderful"
> policy
> > (the sarcasm is intended) for never releasing
> > information about an ongoing investigation.
> What
> > typically happens in our society is that public
> > opinion start to form prior to all the facts
> being
> > known.
>
> Bullshit, they released information about taking
> down an armed suspect immediately. They only time
> theyre quiet is when something went wrong or they
> did something wrong. They arent chasing suspects
> everything is over.
>
> > Is it wrong of me to assume the man was angry
> and
> > armed based solely on the 911 radio traffic
> heard
> > on the scanner? Maybe. But if so, it's just
> as
> > wrong to assume that the man was UNARMED and
> was
> > shot solely because he had an argument with his
> > girlfriend. Which is the more likely scenario?
>
> No the facts tell us that. Someone whose armed
> doesnt not shoot back after a shots fired at him.
> Police dont shoot a single shot from a handgun at
> an armed suspect ever. Taking the shot right off
> the bat wouldnt have been their first option for
> someone in their house alone.
>
> > The bottom line is that some people are so
> willing
> > to criticize based on beliefs rather than the
> > facts. But that is human nature. We are
> > impatient.
>
>
> The bottom line is the facts dont line up with
> your account of it. Nor does the action of the
> police.
>
> The real bottom line is for whatever reason youre
> trying to justify what they did which theres no
> justification for. A cop approached the house and
> either took a shot for no reason or accidentally
> took one. Either way his time with a badge should
> be done

Well remember, if the police think or feel they are being threatened they are protected under VA state code to respond with force. I don't think that's the case here though. Sounds more like one cop fire unnecessarily. I'll be interested in seeing what they turn up.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Bottom Line ()
Date: August 31, 2013 05:50PM

Someone wanted to know why the police have the legal right and obligation for taking this man in custody. Take a gander at 37.2-808. The police can take someone into immediate custody if the signs of mental crisis are present in front of them. This is not to say that the man was mentally ill. Only that he was in crisis and posed a threat to himself or society at the time.

For those who have already formed their opinion before the facts are layed out, I pity you because you live in a world of hate and mistrust. Stereotyping is stereotyping. Whether it's race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or, in this case, occupation. If you think you can do better, take the oath and pledge yourself to protect the public. Men and woman, much braver than me I must confess, took that pledge. And this is how we thank them?

If the officer or officers were in the wrong, they will suffer the consequences. The bottom line is that we SHOULD base our opinions after ALL the facts are known.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Back to the Topic ()
Date: August 31, 2013 07:10PM

So bottom line, am I correct that your position is that if someone who the police deem to be in mental crisis does not come out of their home after 40 minutes, the police are justified in killing them?

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 31, 2013 07:28PM

Clarified Wrote:
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> Well remember, if the police think or feel they
> are being threatened they are protected under VA
> state code to respond with force. I don't think
> that's the case here though. Sounds more like one
> cop fire unnecessarily. I'll be interested in
> seeing what they turn up.


While thats true the single shot doesnt support that. If police are firing because they feel threatened or someones waiving a weapon at them its multiple shots especially for someone alone in a house not 1. The cop at Costco shot 5 times point blank, this guy shot once. The only time youll ever see single shots fired when police have decided to take someone out is from a sniper or an accident. He also wouldnt have been the only one shooting.

That will probably end up being the cover story though the video is going to tear that apart.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Liberal Logic 27 ()
Date: August 31, 2013 07:34PM

Bottom Line Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> For those who have already formed their opinion
> before the facts are layed out, I pity you because
> you live in a world of hate and mistrust.
> Stereotyping is stereotyping. Whether it's race,
> ethnicity, sexual orientation, or, in this case,
> occupation. If you think you can do better, take
> the oath and pledge yourself to protect the
> public. Men and woman, much braver than me I must
> confess, took that pledge. And this is how we
> thank them?

Get off the soap box its Fairfax County not inner city Detroit. Facts are already present, theres their report, the lack of information that would justify it, and a video. Someone kicking there girl friend out of the house isnt signs of mental distress. The shot was fired from outside the house when the guy was in the house alone. He wasnt out being a public threat.

> If the officer or officers were in the wrong, they
> will suffer the consequences. The bottom line is
> that we SHOULD base our opinions after ALL the
> facts are known.


No they wont its FCPD. They have NEVER in their entire history ever charged an officer in a wrongful death shooting. They only recently fired one because of threats of a Federal Investigation. Enough people like you think its okay for Police to gun down citizens for reason that nothing ever happens to them. Hell they dont even remove SWAT officers from the SWAT team when they wrongfully kill someone and pay out millions because of it.

You seem to be the only one having trouble with the facts making things up to justify it.

FYI its up to a cop to justify his shot not the other way around. Every shooting is assumed wrong until proven right hence the automatic suspensions and their weapons being taken. Its just that in FCPD its only a formality and youll be back on duty regardless of what they find

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: FUFCPD ()
Date: August 31, 2013 08:28PM

This reminds me of Die Hard 1. The FCPD has got themselves an RV taking down shitty Springfield townhouses and not the Nakatomi Center.


Anonymous-one Wrote:
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> OverseaObserver Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That type of response to just a domestic
> dispute
> > call? A little excessive don't you think?. WOW,
> he
> > as a single firearm. What a threat to
> several(most
> > likely dozens) of Trained Armed Officers. Lets
> > also call in Swat, and a damn armored vehicle
> > while were at it. Ridicules.
> >
> > Welcome to the militarization of American
> Police.
>
> We are missing the point here.
>
> The point is look at that Armored vehicle. I saw
> it on the news report last night. It looks just
> like a tank. Is it a tank? I want more
> information....
>
> The 2 seconds I saw that vehicle on the news it
> showed it has "Fairfax County" written on the
> front.
>
> Yo, Yo, Yo! We got a tank. How bad ass is that?
> Look out Loudoun County. You better be nice to us.
> We got a tank and are not affraid to use it.
>
> Does anyone have any information on our tank? I am
> really excitted about this.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: mdlive ()
Date: August 31, 2013 09:17PM

How many white people are the police going to kill, without repurcussions?..................the gambling family, Ashley McIntosh, and does anyone know if this was a white guy? Sounds like it.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Seargent Richard Thiel ()
Date: August 31, 2013 09:30PM

Seargent Richard THIEL and his band of Merry Morons were in on this!
Thruout the region the local Sherriff /Police Dept . ' s are starting to hiring thementally disabled and letting them losse on patrol in the streets which is resulting in an entire labrynth of highly punishing effects to the average citizen! Its like some form, sort of revenge of the nerds thing being implemented to punish even more, the average tax paying citizens!

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Clarified ()
Date: August 31, 2013 09:39PM

Bottom Line Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Someone wanted to know why the police have the
> legal right and obligation for taking this man in
> custody. Take a gander at 37.2-808. The police
> can take someone into immediate custody if the
> signs of mental crisis are present in front of
> them. This is not to say that the man was mentally
> ill. Only that he was in crisis and posed a
> threat to himself or society at the time.
>
> For those who have already formed their opinion
> before the facts are layed out, I pity you because
> you live in a world of hate and mistrust.
> Stereotyping is stereotyping. Whether it's race,
> ethnicity, sexual orientation, or, in this case,
> occupation. If you think you can do better, take
> the oath and pledge yourself to protect the
> public. Men and woman, much braver than me I must
> confess, took that pledge. And this is how we
> thank them?
>
> If the officer or officers were in the wrong, they
> will suffer the consequences. The bottom line is
> that we SHOULD base our opinions after ALL the
> facts are known.

Yes.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: SomeOneIn22153 ()
Date: August 31, 2013 11:31PM

BottomLine- You are missing the point- there has been no proof of Geer being armed, the caller his common law wife- made the 911 call, who also happens to work for the DEA. Who by every sound of what has leaked out in the media-also abused in this case who she knew. Hello?!? A freakin' tank in a townhouse development in Fairfax Co.?!?18 police cars-k-9's -helicopters. The call to 911 was made indicating her partner was alone in the dwelling-again!!! Hello?!?

There are legal sworn statements this poor Man, was in no mental condition of threat. He was accepting the news of the relationship end/drunk.
Those guns more than likely were her's. Never mind this fact- there are ways/tactics where officers are trained to handle mental crisis case/domestic dispute based calls and killing someone who posed as no threat by, as we know it-was being armed here. Also Geer had no records of assault/threat behavior.Given media recorded and released to the public- there were several officers within close proximity to have humanely tasered Mr. John Geer. Obviously if they found to BE ABLE TO TALK TO MR JOHN GEER FOR 40-50 MINUTES, it speaks for itself he was cooperating enough for Fairfax County to have used better judgement, professional handling of/on this truly tragic loss. No life would have had to end by the person responsible, on the other end of this gun.


What exactly and why are you trying to justify-there is some kind of act cause for the loss of this Man's life- a Father/Son/Friend, a human being- a LIFE, much like each and every one of us?
A Man died due to the mis-use/conduct of law enforcement/law system in our community of Fairfax County.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: SomeWhereIn22153 ()
Date: August 31, 2013 11:34PM

BottomLine- in of itself is a bold self-righteous name to have picked. Much like your "weak" posts without validations.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Final Solution ()
Date: August 31, 2013 11:39PM

Bottom Line Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> Should they just walk away and just hope he calms
> down?

Yes.

Establish a perimeter and call in the negotiating team.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: SomeWhereIn22153 ()
Date: September 01, 2013 12:20AM

Agreed.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: H8sRedneckNazis ()
Date: September 01, 2013 01:54AM

Par for the course for the Fourth-Reich Nazi SS (otherwise known as the Fairfax County Police Dept). Go look it up, no cop has EVER been convicted of wrongful death in the 73 year HISTORY of the FCPD. If you believe that is fair and just, you must already be goose-steppin' by now.

Trust me, GET OUT of Nova while you can and see how nice it is somewhere else. Fairfax County used to be great, now it is an overcrowded HELLPIT with a NAZI SS police force just dying to use their $300,000 "water cannon" to diperse a crowd that will never happen...

PATHETIC!!

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Born2Run ()
Date: September 01, 2013 02:07AM

Man would I like to see that cop have to check into the FCDC (jail) and be told that his prescription meds aren't coming, he has to sleep on a cold concrete slab and "no donuts, but heres your LOAF for dinner"....wouldn't that be sweet?


Of course it will never happen, Fairfax cops have carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they please and you can see why when you read the posts on here by all of these vindictive, redneck NAZIS.

You will reap what you sow, COUNT ON IT!!

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: HitlerLovesFFX ()
Date: September 01, 2013 02:14AM

Bottom Line Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Someone wanted to know why the police have the
> legal right and obligation for taking this man in
> custody. Take a gander at 37.2-808. The police
> can take someone into immediate custody if the
> signs of mental crisis are present in front of
> them. This is not to say that the man was mentally
> ill. Only that he was in crisis and posed a
> threat to himself or society at the time.

****I get it now. The cop had to MURDER him so he wasn't a threat to his own safety. Mission accomplished I guess.

Geez...

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Jamie Grigsby ()
Date: September 01, 2013 04:16AM

Bottom Line, don't listen to these a-holes. They are a bunch of hatemongers who hate the system, no matter what you say. What you are saying makes sense...IF the man had a gun in his hand and IF he pointed it at the police. Are there any witnesess out there that actually saw it happen? The news video didn't show the shooting. Probably too graphic. 6x mentioned he had a 357, but Geer had the gun pointed down? Did anyone see him lift up his arm? Did anyone hear what was said right before the shot? I'm looking for real witnesses that were there. Everyone else with a preconceived notion about "what really happened" without being there need to STFU.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Rerrrdfr ()
Date: September 01, 2013 04:59AM

Really the worst police department in the country full of wannabes mall cops. I pray there will be a FBI or justice dept investigation of the FCPD and they shut the fucker down.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: The_Dude ()
Date: September 01, 2013 08:36AM

I went to Jeb Stuart too. I was wondering if this is the same guy who graduated from there in 85.

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Re: Another Police Shooting in Fairfax Co.(West Springfield)
Posted by: Nothappyaboutthetank ()
Date: September 01, 2013 10:20AM

I came to this site because I saw the article in the paper and wanted to see if there was any more local information, since I live in Springfield.

If I am following correctly, it sounds like there was a distraught possibly intoxicated man throwing his girlfriends stuff on the front lawn and she called 911. Certainly that is a problem/ domestic dispute. But things like this happen all the time unfortunately, and people can act like idiots especially when relationships and alcohol are involved. It is certainly normal to call the cops when things like this happen.

What concerns me is that a tank and helicopter showed up! Do we really think that is going to help the situation, or perhaps just maybe, it might make a mentally distraught person completely lose it. When things like this used to happen, you sent a couple squad cars and told the person to go inside and cool off. Maybe there was more involved due to the presence of firearms...I don't know.

But, still, honestly, a tank for a domestic? I really think it is time that Fairfax County reevaluate when they are using their equipment and in what situations. I can't believe more people aren't concerned about this.

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