Report: Cyclist Struck Near W&OD Trail Saturday
http://reston.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/report-cyclist-struck-near-wod-trail-saturday

A cyclist was struck by a car at the intersection of W&OD Trail and Sunrise Valley Drive in Reston, the Fairfax Advocates for Better Bicycling reports.

A call made to the Fairfax County Police Department to confirm details of the reported crash was not immediately returned.
The cycling group wrote in a blog post Saturday that the rider was struck at about 5:45 p.m. Saturday by a black SUV. She was reportedly thrown from her bicycle.

"The bike was in very bad condition as was the hood of the SUV," wrote Douglas Pew, who stated in an email to Patch that he saw the aftermath of the accident.

"My wife and I saw the scene of the accident after the emergency crew left and the police were investigating. We saw her bike crumpled quite far away from the crossing. She probably was thrown about 100 feet," Pew wrote.

The comments on blog post indicate the cyclist has a number of injuries.

“This is a dangerous intersection,” the blog post reads.
Reston Patch facebook fans reported traffic was at a standstill on Sunrise Valley Saturday night as police responded to treat the victim and investigate.

Read the full post on the Fairfax Advocates for Better Bicycling website.
http://fabb-bikes.blogspot.com/?m=0

No Charges For Driver Who Hit Cyclist on Sunrise Valley
Cyclist continues recover from major injuries in June 29 crash.
http://reston.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/no-charges-for-driver-who-hit-cyclist-on-sunrise-valley

The driver of an SUV who hit a cyclist crossing Sunrise Valley on June 29 will not be charged, Fairfax County Police said.

The cyclist was on the W & OD trail about 5:46 p.m. on June 29 when the 2103 Chevrolet Suburban was westbound on Sunrise Valley Drive. The bicyclist disregarded the stop sign and entered the highway and was struck by the Suburban, police public information officer Bud Walker said.

The bicyclist was held at fault for the crash, Walker said. However the officer elected not to issue the bicyclist a ticket.

The cyclist, identified by Fairfax Advocates for Better Biking as 54-year-old Cat Freck, an avid bike racer from Vienna, suffered severe injuries with many broken bones. She has had several surgeries and is undergoing extensive rehabilitation, according to her Caring Bridge web site.

The accident scene of June 29 crash Credit: FABB
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Fucktard bicyclist burns through a stop sign and thinks they're above the law of physics...


I'm surprised this doesn't happen more on the W&OD. I always see close calls on Cedar Lane and Park Street in Vienna with bicyclists blithely running their stop signs right in front of cars

"an avid bike racer"

You know she was practicing on that trail and just couldn't stop for Stop signs. Hope all the broken bones are worth it. If I were the driver of that SUV, I'd make damn sure she got a ticket to mitigate grounds for a lawsuit. I see this every weekend. Car racers aren't allowed on public streets, why are bike racers allowed on those trails with kids and pedestrians? They aren't just casually riding.

I go by the crossing on Sterling Blvd about 2-3 times a day. Some of those bike riders drive to burn thru there without stopping. A few have paid the price.

Cyclist should have been issued a ticket.

Updated Wrote:
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> The bicyclist was held at fault for the crash,
> Walker said. However the officer elected not to
> issue the bicyclist a ticket.

I totally agree, he should have ticketed her. The driver of the SUV would need that for the insurance claims.

In my opinion this website is extremely repulsive. So many people just talking trash about one another, having no remorse or proof of the allegations being made. This site is filled with people who have nothing better to do than hurt other from behind a computer screen. Why this should be a website about helping others and passing information around a community not a war zone where people put other people on trial and say horrible things about people. This is no better than cyber bullying except the anonymous names prevent you form having to reveal who they are. This is like a middle school where people do nothing but start rumors about others to hurt peoples feelings.

I hope that you read this message and think, about your future activity and really only present information that is factual and helpful to others in the northern Virginia area. Put yourself in the person your about to hurt before you post your message.

Angry Person Wrote:
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> In my opinion this website is extremely repulsive.
> So many people just talking trash about one
> another, having no remorse or proof of the
> allegations being made. This site is filled with
> people who have nothing better to do than hurt
> other from behind a computer screen. Why this
> should be a website about helping others and
> passing information around a community not a war
> zone where people put other people on trial and
> say horrible things about people. This is no
> better than cyber bullying except the anonymous
> names prevent you form having to reveal who they
> are. This is like a middle school where people do
> nothing but start rumors about others to hurt
> peoples feelings.
>
> I hope that you read this message and think, about
> your future activity and really only present
> information that is factual and helpful to others
> in the northern Virginia area. Put yourself in the
> person your about to hurt before you post your
> message.

This site one of the last bastions of semi-anonymous free speech and opinions. Piss off and go register on some feel-good ass-kissing forum if you don't like it.

You need some therapy.

The cyclist was at fault.

Nobody is saying anything mean. They are just speaking the truth.

The lesson here is to obey the law.

Angry Person Wrote:
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> In my opinion this website is extremely repulsive.
> So many people just talking trash about one
> another, having no remorse or proof of the
> allegations being made. This site is filled with
> people who have nothing better to do than hurt
> other from behind a computer screen. Why this
> should be a website about helping others and
> passing information around a community not a war
> zone where people put other people on trial and
> say horrible things about people. This is no
> better than cyber bullying except the anonymous
> names prevent you form having to reveal who they
> are. This is like a middle school where people do
> nothing but start rumors about others to hurt
> peoples feelings.
>
> I hope that you read this message and think, about
> your future activity and really only present
> information that is factual and helpful to others
> in the northern Virginia area. Put yourself in the
> person your about to hurt before you post your
> message.


I hope cyclists read this message and learn how to obey a stop sign.

Angry Person Wrote:
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> In my opinion this website is extremely repulsive.
> So many people just talking trash about one
> another, having no remorse or proof of the
> allegations being made. This site is filled with
> people who have nothing better to do than hurt
> other from behind a computer screen. Why this
> should be a website about helping others and
> passing information around a community not a war
> zone where people put other people on trial and
> say horrible things about people. This is no
> better than cyber bullying except the anonymous
> names prevent you form having to reveal who they
> are. This is like a middle school where people do
> nothing but start rumors about others to hurt
> peoples feelings.
>
> I hope that you read this message and think, about
> your future activity and really only present
> information that is factual and helpful to others
> in the northern Virginia area. Put yourself in the
> person your about to hurt before you post your
> message.



Much of the content on this forum is very repulsive. If it didn't actually have useful information and some good laughs.. I'd high tail it out of here due to the insensitivity, stupidity, and racism that so frequently occurs. However, there's a lot of situational awareness and good information if you can stomach the other BS, drama, and trolls (both creative and lame ones).


Out of all the threads you picked you respond with such a comment, you missed the mark pretty hard. I am guessing you must be the person from the story or otherwise related to them in some capacity. The cyclist was at fault, which is clear from the article and police action. Bikers frequently ride like assholes and this seems to be another case. Sounds like the cyclist should have been cited. I agree with the comment about insurance. Hopefully this doesn't impact the driver's rates or get them dropped. Not sure how that will work exactly. A ticket doesn't have to be issued but it can be useful if the other person claims no fault or refutes responsibility claims. A statement from the police officer may still work despite no citation.

Overwhelming majority obey stop signs. Some are conditioned to keep going through because cars stop in the middle of the traffic. I often have to wave cars on because they are obstructing traffic and failing to observe the rules of the road.

A Handsome Guy on a bike Wrote:
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> Overwhelming majority obey stop signs. Some are
> conditioned to keep going through because cars
> stop in the middle of the traffic. I often have
> to wave cars on because they are obstructing
> traffic and failing to observe the rules of the
> road.

Whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better about breaking the law.

A Handsome Guy on a bike Wrote:
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> Overwhelming majority obey stop signs. Some are
> conditioned to keep going through because cars
> stop in the middle of the traffic. I often have
> to wave cars on because they are obstructing
> traffic and failing to observe the rules of the
> road.


I cross the bike trail more than 3 times a day. Rarely does a cyclist stop. From my front yard, I have a view of a W&OD intersection, cyclists are constantly blowing through stop signs.

I almost had a bicyclist hit me the other day right at the same spot.

Some guy deck out in all race attire just came flying across the road and never stopped. I had to jam on the breaks to stop from hitting the guy. Luckily I was the only car on my side of the road so no accident occurred.

Needless to say I yelled out a bunch of expletives at the bicyclist! "Fucking bastard you're suppose to stop!"

POLICE NEED TO ENFORCE THESE STOP SIGNS ON BICYCLIST the same way stop signs are enforced on cars!

cop was wrong Wrote:
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> Cyclist should have been issued a ticket.


Several years ago my friend was driving his car in the Reston area, when a person riding her bicycle at a high rate of speed exited the bike trail, and hit his car at the left front fender/driver door area. The repair was almost $2000.00 with a repaired door, new fender, new mirror, paint and labor. His insurance would not have covered the repair if the officer had not written a ticket for failure to stop at a stop sign. My friend called the police to get the accident documented, and the bicyclist was livid because she was ticketed. The officer at first wanted to send everyone on their way because she was not hurt, but the damage was over $500.00 required a accident report.

These bicyclists feel they are above the law, and the police are reluctant to inforce the laws of the road against a bicyclist.

Always call the police - Always get a report - Always cover your ass

Fairfax Boy Wrote:
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These bicyclists feel they are above the law, and
> the police are reluctant to inforce the laws of
> the road against a bicyclist.
>
> Always call the police - Always get a report -
> Always cover your ass


AMEN! I'm so sick of vigilanty bicyclist who are all over the roads and NEVER pay attention to ANY traffic signals or signs.

Fairfax Boy Wrote:
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> His insurance would not have covered the
> repair if the officer had not written a ticket for
> failure to stop at a stop sign.

Hopefully his insurance went after the cyclist for the damages.

This is a very odd junction - the W&OD crosses sunrise just before a set of traffic lights

It could be made much safer by simply moving the stop line behind the W&OD, possibly placing lights on the trail (or improving the signage) and, if necessary making the turn out of the school 'no right on red'

There are a number of others which could be made much safer by adding of changing lights e.g

The wiehle crossing by the fire house in reston is very dangerous - visibility for drivers in slow heavy traffic is not good, especially southbound in the left hand lane. Southbound expands from 3 to 4 lanes right at the crossing. There's just a lot going on there.

The crossing on Hunter Mill by Hunter Station really does need lights and a refuge -
both the trail and the road are heavily used and there's limited visibility up the road because of bends etc.

Generally, more of the busy W&OD crossings should be light controlled - especially given the number of kids who use the trail

Thinking back when they were working on the bike paths, there were proposals to have the trails run either over or under the streets. Both were mostly rejected because of the costs involved (safety issue for the ones going under the street due to criminal elements hanging out there like in Reston).

This cyclist needs to be cited and prosecuted as an example to all those cyclists out there (there are many) who disobey, disregard and disrespect the laws. These selfish cunts put everyone in danger. What if I have my kids in the car and I swerve to miss one of these fuckers and crash into something, or into another vehicle? Fuuuucccckkkk those cyclist. Wednesday night at 6:30pm I was driving down Lawyers Road and I passed two groups of these selfish cunts - at least 25 riders to each group - headed up from Fox Mill towards Hunter Mill. They had just passed the spot where the bike lane ends and Lawyers turns into a narrow twisty two-lane road with no shoulder. These suicidal assholes need to be taught a lesson.

I was coming home from work one day on Crestview Drive and there was a long line of cyclists riding on the right side of the road holding up traffic. Who in their right mind would go bike riding like that during rush hour?

lessons not learned Wrote:
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> This cyclist needs to be cited and prosecuted as
> an example to all those cyclists out there (there
> are many) who disobey, disregard and disrespect
> the laws. These selfish cunts put everyone in
> danger. What if I have my kids in the car and I
> swerve to miss one of these fuckers and crash into
> something, or into another vehicle? Fuuuucccckkkk
> those cyclist. Wednesday night at 6:30pm I was
> driving down Lawyers Road and I passed two groups
> of these selfish cunts - at least 25 riders to
> each group - headed up from Fox Mill towards
> Hunter Mill. They had just passed the spot where
> the bike lane ends and Lawyers turns into a narrow
> twisty two-lane road with no shoulder. These
> suicidal assholes need to be taught a lesson.

Actually it was Tuesday not Wednesday, just for clarity. Got my days mixed up.

The Hard Truth Wrote:
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> A Handsome Guy on a bike Wrote:
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> > Overwhelming majority obey stop signs. Some
> are
> > conditioned to keep going through because cars
> > stop in the middle of the traffic. I often
> have
> > to wave cars on because they are obstructing
> > traffic and failing to observe the rules of the
> > road.
>
> Whatever you need to say to make yourself feel
> better about breaking the law.

So he should cite the cars for stopping on the roads. There's a lot of overly courteous drivers that stop in the middle of the road to give up their right of way to fellow drivers, bicyclists, and other pedestrians.

I am a cyclist...

1) Cyclists need to follow the rules of the road, so the police should have ticketed the idiot.
2) When I'm cycling, people who stop on the roads and invite me to cross scare me to death. They're not following the rules of the road and I have no idea whether any other driver will also not follow them or will simply run into me because they expect people to follow the rules.

WXxDE Wrote:
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> "an avid bike racer"
> I see this every
> weekend. Car racers aren't allowed on public
> streets, why are bike racers allowed on those
> trails with kids and pedestrians? They aren't
> just casually riding.

Try commuting by bicycle. These racer fags are on the trails every day of the week during the evening commute. Most of them have legs the width of a pencil, and they think that makes them hot/tough/athletic. The joke is on them.

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I am sick to death of these cyclists who think they OWN the trail...a MAMIL (Middle Aged Man in Lycra) nearly hit me this afternoon when I was walking my dog--there's a blind corner exiting off the bike trail at the end of my street and despite large spray-painted SLOW at the exit, this jerkoff came barreling around that corner and almost collided with me as I was heading to the trail. WTF, asshole?!?!!? They are so inconsiderate of pedestrians...no wonder so many people hate them.

"FRECK ","MARY ","C","047"," 9818","SQUAW VALLEY ","DR","VIENNA ","VA","04/18/2006","UNRESTRICTED DOG VIOL "
"FRECK ","MARY ","C","050"," 9818","SQUAW VALLEY ","DR","VIENNA ","VA","01/05/2009","FAIL WEAR SAFETY BELT "

iBike a lot around here and sometimes on that trail. You have to stop at those crossings. Period. You would be crazy not to. Sorry she was hurt and sorry the SUV guy got his car banged up but I agree she was wreckless. If she was not stopping for the signs she was obviously going for time so who else did she endanger on the trail?

Gotta love those edgy VW ads showing a Golf plowing through all the bicyclists.

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The Hard Truth Wrote:
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> A Handsome Guy on a bike Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Overwhelming majority obey stop signs. Some
> are
> > conditioned to keep going through because cars
> > stop in the middle of the traffic. I often
> have
> > to wave cars on because they are obstructing
> > traffic and failing to observe the rules of the
> > road.
>
> Whatever you need to say to make yourself feel
> better about breaking the law.

I think he means the cars stop for him and let him cross. The other bikers see this and think that's the rule of the road around, no matter what the law or the signs say. I see it all the time.

A Ridiculously Photogenic Biker Wrote:
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> The Hard Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A Handsome Guy on a bike Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Overwhelming majority obey stop signs. Some
> > are
> > > conditioned to keep going through because
> cars
> > > stop in the middle of the traffic. I often
> > have
> > > to wave cars on because they are obstructing
> > > traffic and failing to observe the rules of
> the
> > > road.
> >
> > Whatever you need to say to make yourself feel
> > better about breaking the law.
>
> I think he means the cars stop for him and let him
> cross. The other bikers see this and think that's
> the rule of the road around, no matter what the
> law or the signs say. I see it all the time.

I saw this yesterday in Sterling during the Friday lunch hour. Worse possible time to be pulling that crap with the lunch hour traffic behind you.

Had a friend have the same thing happen, oblivious bike rider crossing a heavily trafficked street without looking, ran into the hood of my friend's car.

Some of these bikers have a death wish; others seem to be so arrogant that they expect the world to stop when they wish to proceed.

I'm sure I would have hit at least one bicyclist by now if I didn't approach every bike path crossing like I expected to see a flying two-wheeled banshee come out of nowhere.

This needs to happen more often:

http://pvpost.com/2013/08/23/prairie-village-police-ticket-26-bicyclists-for-disobeying-stop-sign-20654

"Police pulled over a total of 26 bicyclists Thursday around 7:30 p.m. after the group rode through the intersection of 69th Street and Oxford Road without stopping at a stop sign.

Thursdays are a popular evening for group bike rides in northeast Johnson County, with the “Prairie Village Yacht Club” having met each week in the parking lot outside the Blue Moose Bar & Grill for years. Police Captain Wes Lovett said the department had received a prior complaint about riders’ behavior in the area, which appears to be the motivation behind last night’s intervention."

Oh yeah.. I was driving on Fox Mill Rd southbound from Lawyers Rd when a group of 30+ bicyclists blew a stop sign and made a right turn in front of me.

I happened upon the group about halfway through the pack and kept going. I slowed down enough to not hit any of them, but a few hit each other trying not to hit the side of my car.

I hope it pissed them off.

I'll go out on a limb and wager that the asshole cyclist ignored the vehicular traffic laws for bicyclists and blew through the intersection with nary a glance and a belief that his own narcissism would serve as some sort of shield and automatic braking device for everybody around him.

On the off chance you haven’t had driver’s education recently, there is a world of difference between a normal intersection with a stop sign, and a crosswalk with or without a stop sign. The original thread was started when a bicyclist was reportedly hit at a WO&D crosswalk. Certainly neither bicyclists nor drivers should blow through stop signs because everyone's safety is improved when expectations and signals and reality coincide. Drivers who do not know who has right of way at crosswalks, though, should learn the law, because pedestrians gave up some rights to use the road, so drivers could go faster between crosswalks and intersections. In exchange for letting drivers go faster, pedestrians received priority at crosswalks.

A driver sees STOP signs on side roads and reasonably expects cars there are going to remain stopped and not enter the intersection ahead of the driver on the priority road. But wait, you are in a car approaching a trail and there’s a crosswalk painted on the roadway and a stop sign facing the trail users. Who has right of way? If you are not quite sure, you are far from alone.

One VDOT survey reported vast uncertainty on who has right of way at WO&D style crossings. Of those responding in a survey, 63 percent thought motor vehicles have the right-of-way; 28 percent thought trail users; and 8 percent did not know.” (pg 61 of http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/11-r9.pdf) Those numbers are almost unbelievable, but in light of Northern Virginia crosswalk experiences, those numbers may reflect the chasm of misunderstanding and lack of law enforcement support.

Who has right of way? Generally the pedestrian/bicycle rider has right-of-way at crosswalks, but the law also imposes a major responsibility on the crosswalk user not to hazard himself by entering in front of traffic too close to stop. Since Virginia is a contributory negligence state, if a pedestrian is hit, he may have real problems collecting civil damages in proving that he followed that part of the law. Please read more on contributory negligence if that phrase does not alarm you in this context. To repeat, a pedestrian in the hospital with severe injuries MAY have to pay for all his own medical expenses if he is hit, and the driver may have to pay for a new fender.

In one Fairfax County crash (http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvwp/1030892.pdf) referred to the Virginia Supreme Court in 2004, the jury essentially decided in favor of a driver who did not see a bicyclist in a sidepath along Braddock Road and eased his car out into the crosswalk, hitting and injuring the bicyclist who was proceeding through the crosswalk without having fully ascertained the driver had actually yielded the right of way to him. The jury determined the bicyclist acted with some degree of negligence in his crossing at the unsignalized crosswalk. As the court described it, “The right to proceed is to be tested by whether a person of ordinary prudence would attempt it.” Peers on the jury are car drivers.

Virginia Code §46.2-924 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-924) specifically uses the phrase “at a crosswalk,” in other words the area where the pedestrian is waiting to cross, and not just the striped portion in the roadway. In the early days of cars, legislation was developed to allow car drivers to increase their speed between intersections. Pedestrians were pushed to the side of the road and out of the way of motor vehicles, and in exchange, drivers were expected to yield or stop for them at regularized and expected places, like crosswalks.

Traffic lights or police direction indicate right-of-way at many intersections. If there is no signal, Virginia Code §46.2-924 instructs “the driver of any vehicle on a highway shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian crossing such highway:
1. At any clearly marked crosswalk, whether at mid-block or at the end of any block;
2. At any regular pedestrian crossing included in the prolongation of the lateral boundary lines of the adjacent sidewalk at the end of a block;
3. At any intersection when the driver is approaching on a highway or street where the legal maximum speed does not exceed 35 miles per hour.”

A bicycle rider at a crosswalk can walk his bicycle across OR he can ride it across. In Virginia Code §46.2-904 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-904) “A person riding a bicycle, electric personal assistive mobility device, motorized skateboard or scooter, motor-driven cycle, or an electric power-assisted bicycle on a sidewalk, shared-use path, or across a roadway on a crosswalk, shall have all the rights and duties of a pedestrian under the same circumstances.” So to recap: bicyclists are treated as pedestrians when on a trail.

At a crosswalk Virginia courts have held “the pedestrian has a superior right — that is, the right to cross from one side of the street to the other in preference or priority over vehicles — and drivers of vehicles must respect this right and yield the right of way to the pedestrian. The pedestrian’s right of way extends from one side of the street to the other. It does not begin at any particular point in the intersection nor does it end at any particular point. It begins on one side of the street and extends until the pedestrian has negotiated the crossing.” (Marshall v. Shaw. Supreme Court of Virginia, 1955) (http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=2476417758289562501&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr)

“The duty of a motor vehicle driver on approaching an intersection is to keep a vigilant lookout for pedestrians between curbs on the traveled portion of the highway, and when pedestrians are negotiating the crossing, or about to step from the side into traffic lanes, to operate his car at such speed and under such control that he can readily turn one way or the other, and, if necessary, bring his machine to a stop in time to avoid injury to pedestrians.” (Sawyer v. Blankenship, Supreme Court of Virginia, 1933) (http://va.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19330615_0040113.VA.htm/qx)

“At intersecting streets where there are neither traffic lights nor traffic officers, the pedestrian has a superior right — that is, the right to cross from one side of the street to the other in preference or priority over vehicles — and drivers of vehicles must respect this right and yield the right of way to the pedestrian. The pedestrian’s right of way extends from one side of the street to the other. It does not begin at any particular point in the intersection nor does it end at any particular point. It begins on one side of the street and extends until the pedestrian has negotiated the crossing.” (Lucas v. Craft, Virginia Supreme Court, 1933)
(http://va.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19330921_0040039.VA.htm/qx)

Social norms prevent someone pushing their shopping cart in front of a frail older lady in a grocery checkout line, in full knowledge that if she fell she would possibly break bones. Current driving social norms do seem to permit a driver to bully that same pedestrian at a crosswalk. Calling motorists bullies is nothing new. Questions of who had right of way and right to use the streets and highways were only a little easier when everything moved at a walking pace. The next quotation is now only of historical interest, before pedestrians were pushed from the streets in exchange for priority at regularized crossings like crosswalks, but a 1919 Virginia Supreme Court ruling held:

“The pedestrian and the automobile have equal rights upon the highway, but their capacity for inflicting injury is vastly disproportioned. It follows also from this that the driver of an automobile cannot be said to be using the highway within his rights, or to be in the exercise of due care, if he takes advantage of the force, weight, and power of his machine as a means of compelling pedestrians to yield to his machine superior rights upon the public highway designed for the use of all members of the public upon equal terms. . . . If there is anything in the argument of priority, man was created before the automobile, and, to paraphrase a quotation from Holy Writ, man was not created for the automobile, but the automobile was created for man.” http://archive.org/stream/jstor-1106472/1106472#page/n1/mode/2up

For a driver who has not completely forgotten high school driver’s education, a crosswalk SHOULD be all he needs to see to know that he has to yield or stop for a pedestrian or bicyclist at that crosswalk. Virginia Code and Virginia court decisions for the last 80 years firmly support pedestrians and bicycle riders’ priority “at” crosswalks. Certainly a wishful driver may prefer that motorized vehicles had precedence over an individual wanting to cross at an crosswalk without a signal, but such a driver is being a bully and using sheet metal to intimidate, and probably acts knowing that there are few tickets handed out to those who ignore crosswalks, and perhaps knowing that a pedestrian has limited legal recourse if that pedestrian hazards himself by being hit at all.

Fuck off Neville. The bikers need to obey the signs or suffer the consequences.

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Makes sense to me. Be sure to drive faster then 35 mph beyond the point where you can stop or steer to miss hitting someone and you should be good to go in running over stupid people that "expect" a car to stop rather then stopping and waiting for them to stop. I'm gonna beef up my bumper.

There is no need for drivers to be assholes or for pedestrians/cyclists to be babies. Look for some middle ground no matter which role you put yourself in.

So, Ms. Freck's civil case against the driver and his insurance company was scheduled for trial some time earlier this month (August 2016).

Anyone have any details as to the outcome that they would like to share?

Old story but I would be surprised if a civil case went anywhere. Fast cyclists on this stretch are loath to stop at every sign at the road crossings. From a cyclists point of view stopping is the equivalent to a race car driver pulling over to empty gas out of the tank. You cruise along at speed and simply stopping means losing momentum and then expending lots of energy re-starting.

If you bike there you see lots of the fastest bikers blow through the roads. They stop accelerating and usually even brake a little but stopping is a last resort if your are riding for time.

Some pay the price.

Surefire way to slow down those asshole bicyclists is a handful of upholstery tacks.

I think she deserved a ticket. People who drive recklessly don't get off that easy. Why should biketards?

Angry Person Wrote:
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> In my opinion this website is extremely repulsive.
> So many people just talking trash about one
> another, having no remorse or proof of the
> allegations being made. This site is filled with
> people who have nothing better to do than hurt
> other from behind a computer screen. Why this
> should be a website about helping others and
> passing information around a community not a war
> zone where people put other people on trial and
> say horrible things about people. This is no
> better than cyber bullying except the anonymous
> names prevent you form having to reveal who they
> are. This is like a middle school where people do
> nothing but start rumors about others to hurt
> peoples feelings.
>
> I hope that you read this message and think, about
> your future activity and really only present
> information that is factual and helpful to others
> in the northern Virginia area. Put yourself in the
> person your about to hurt before you post your
> message.



The lady deserved a ticket. I crashed my car, totaled it on a slick, windy road, no one was involved and I got a ticket. She goes flying out into traffic recklessly, she deserves a ticket. If you can't handle someone's opinion you should get you blankie and hide in your "safe space".

at what point will bikers obey the STOP SIGNS POSTED ON THE TRAIL AT INTERSECTIONS?!? The trail intersection by the Herndon community center, these bikers run the stop signs onto the road and give you that fuckin "presidential wave" as they cross. Cars stop & go, wtf can't these fake Lance Armstrong pricks be bothered to slow down, or stop at STOP signs? People are walking along the path, have pets, kids etc...these fuckers speed and weave in and out on the trail disregarding traffic laws & others personal safety all the time...can't stand them!

Simple solution...

at every intersection install speed bumps on the trail path. this will force the cyclist to slow down.

In florida on some of the bike paths, have incorporated some traffic calming devices, like zig zags or bollards near road intersections which force the cyclist to slow or stop before crossing the road.

embrace diversity:

illegal hits and runs to evade deportation

illegals ride bikes intently where you will hit them fishing for lawsuits - to get rich quick. there HAS BEEN A HUGE INCREASE IN INSURANCE FILINGS by illegals (green cards obama.gov calls them) who've "mistakenly been injured but not killed" in fairfax county

and they're probably part of "the crips" gang like right?

Is this her? Wrote:
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> "FRECK ","MARY ","C","047","
> 9818","SQUAW VALLEY ","DR","VIENNA
> ","VA","04/18/2006","UNRESTRICTED DOG VIOL
> "
> "FRECK ","MARY ","C","050","
> 9818","SQUAW VALLEY ","DR","VIENNA
> ","VA","01/05/2009","FAIL WEAR SAFETY BELT
> "


Obviously she thinks she;s above the law in many ways.

Here is the fundraiser page for Cat Freck. Thanks to all you nice FFXU folks who donated. She raised enough money to buy a new bike.

https://www.youcaring.com/medical-fundraiser/help-get-cat-back-on-her-feet-and-back-on-the-bike/103947

mjs Wrote:
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> Simple solution...
>
> at every intersection install speed bumps on the
> trail path. this will force the cyclist to slow
> down.
>
> In florida on some of the bike paths, have
> incorporated some traffic calming devices, like
> zig zags or bollards near road intersections
> which force the cyclist to slow or stop before
> crossing the road.

zig zag would work but you could just hop the bumps even on a road bike

hop the bumps Wrote:
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> zig zag would work but you could just hop the
> bumps even on a road bike

id bet money that the lance armstrong wanna be's woudl slow down a lot. as not to damage the thin rims with high pressure tires.

mountain bikers are a bit more considerate thanthe road racers and are not likely the main problem.

what ges me is when drivers come to a complete stop on sunrise valley or sunset hills when there are no bikers... fucktards....

We should start a GoFund me page for a new bike. She can start training for the next Para-Olympics. She better learn to stop at STOP signs though...
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Cat Stevens Wrote:
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> Here is the fundraiser page for Cat Freck. Thanks
> to all you nice FFXU folks who donated. She raised
> enough money to buy a new bike.
>
> https://www.youcaring.com/medical-fundraiser/help-
> get-cat-back-on-her-feet-and-back-on-the-bike/1039
> 47


Hope she paid taxes on that money...fucking count.

I cannot tell you how many cyclist I have almost taken out at the intersection of the W&OD trail and Rt. 123 in Vienna. Oh vehicle traffic is backed up ... I do not have to wait for the light. Fucking idiots.

Cat Freak?