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Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: ConManNOT! ()
Date: October 22, 2008 10:52AM


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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Reston ()
Date: October 22, 2008 11:53AM

Maybe we should pay attention to what is really going on in the county, educate our neighbors (Fairfax does a real good job of keeping bad things out of the news), and exercise our displeasure at the polls!

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: October 22, 2008 12:28PM

you people really need to get a life...these anecdotal instances of hispanic violence add up to nothing...you want to live where they are "tough" on hispanics..move to the prince william wasteland. the rest of us in fairfax will keep this all in perspective...and keep our humanity.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: hmmm ()
Date: October 22, 2008 12:37PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> you people really need to get a life...these
> anecdotal instances of hispanic violence add up to
> nothing...you want to live where they are "tough"
> on hispanics..move to the prince william
> wasteland. the rest of us in fairfax will keep
> this all in perspective...and keep our humanity.

Keep our humanity and continue funding illegals with what money? These incidents are not anecdotal. The word incident is a real misnomer.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: crimes ()
Date: October 22, 2008 02:16PM

and in our "sister" county Montco the big public crimes were by what appears to be an illegal:
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=321004&paper=70&cat=104

Rollover and give them apartments or houses. We have enough home grown criminals.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: vince couldn't be more wrong ()
Date: October 22, 2008 03:42PM

Vince - these anecdotal incidents, as you state, are far from nothing. They are real crimes, with real people as victims, and the victims must unfortunately bear the externalities themselves. And it is not really probative one way or another whether hispanic illegal immigrants commit crimes disproportionate their number. My guess is they do, but even if that is not the case, if enforcement practices were far more effective than they currently are those crimes would be crimes that are not committed. People who emigrate here illegally impose costs. They use public services, they consume considerable educational resources, and when they commit crimes, as most any population will do, they burden the criminal justice and correctional systems in addition to impacting victims. Keeping humanity - as you sneeringly impute to yourself - means caring for innocent victims of crime - and no just illegal immigrants that tickle politically correct heartstrings.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Republican Hypocrites ()
Date: October 22, 2008 03:50PM

Let's look at the common denominator and why more illegals are here in the first place: jobs. Now that jobs are becoming far and between, the illegal population should flatline or decrease. I find it ironic that the Bush administration and the Republican-controlled Congress did NOTHING to thwart the influx of illegals during the peak years, yet make issue of it now. Is this because their houses are already built and landscaping has been planted? It's like we turned a blind eye and used the illegals to our advantage, but when we don't need them anymore, it's "out they go!". WTF.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Good Riddance ()
Date: October 22, 2008 04:01PM

Republican Hypocrites Wrote:
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> It's like we turned a blind eye and
> used the illegals to our advantage, but when we
> don't need them anymore, it's "out they go!".
> WTF.

They were paid for their work. Now its time for them to go back home.
(or somewhere else) Canada is always looking for more immigrants. We do not
owe them citizenship or anything else. They could also return home and apply for
legal immigration.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: October 22, 2008 04:57PM

I guess back in 1980, when crime rates were 2-3 times current levels, there must have been 90% Hispanics in Fairfax.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: October 22, 2008 05:38PM

Again, it is a Federal issue. complain to the Feds!

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: I Do... ()
Date: October 22, 2008 06:03PM

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Again, it is a Federal issue. complain to the
> Feds!

I complain to the Feds AND local officials as well. I believe the
original poster of this thread was addressing our local candidate
for Congress. Since the Federal government isnt willing to get off
its ass and enforce the laws aggressively enough, its time to send
politicians to Congress who WILL demand action.

Connolly isnt the one to do it. His past record of catering to developers
and the employers of illegal aliens says it all.

Your quote is nothing but catering to the same special interests.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: wJPYx ()
Date: October 22, 2008 06:21PM

vince couldn't be more wrong Wrote:
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> Vince - these anecdotal incidents, as you state,
> are far from nothing. They are real crimes, with
> real people as victims, and the victims must
> unfortunately bear the externalities themselves.

A-freaking-men.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Your Serve = Bump-Set-Spike-Point-Game-Set-Match ()
Date: October 22, 2008 06:26PM

You like freaking men? Must be a Republican.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: vince couldn't be more wrong ()
Date: October 23, 2008 09:01AM

Yes, of course a Republican administration has miserably failed to enforce, much less appropriately enhance, our immigration laws. But do you think the open borders crowd on the Left would do better? Please. Business likes illegal immigration because of the subsidized labor and the left likes it because it is an easy way to buy votes. Statements like Republican Hypocrites above are emotive, vacuous, meaningless and add no value to the terrific problem of illegal immigration.

There are over six billion people in the world, and they can't all live and work here. So we need to make decisions based on the national interest, and what it going on right now is not in our national interest. And to lay it off as a federal issue, or blame one political party or another, are merely tactics to deflect discussion. Most all law enforcement issues involve and require both federal and state cooperation, and this one should be no different. There are any number of things that local jurisdictions can do, and doing them will work to their benefit, reducing costs and negative externalities over the long run and making their communities a better place to live. And please, cut the racist and xenophobic junk - another restriction to rational discussion - this is about maintaining the bar for citizenship, the essential lifeblood for a civilized democratic society.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: October 23, 2008 09:14AM

Yes..victims of crime are real..the crimes are real..and the perpetrator(s) are real. But the hispainic community is just as real....they arent any more inclined to crime asa race then any other community. One hudred years ago it was the Irsh gangs...50 years ago the italian gangs..today, the hispanic gangs. If the hispainic gangs dissapeared over night..some other group would fill the vacuum. The cause for violence isnt racially based..it is economically based....and white people steroreotyping a racial group isnt going to solve a thing.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: vince is really wrong ()
Date: October 23, 2008 10:51AM

Vince - you are intentionally missing the point. Yes, it is wrong to stereotype people. But the overarching problem right now isn't in stereotyping, but with illegal immigration. Yes, there is some stereoptyping out there, and that is unfortunate but the objective is to solve the problems causing real demonstrable harms rather than cater to everyone's sensitivities.

And I highly doubt your assertion that the Hispanic community is not inclined to commit crimes at a greater rate. Data from the Department of Justice reflects that Hispanics commit violent crimes at three times the rate of whites. This is not that national tragedy experienced by blacks - where with 13% of the population they commit over half the muggings and murders in this country - but it still is an outsize proportion. Perhaps this is understandable given economic hardships, (although the link between poverty and crime is at time tenuous, and ignores the bad life decisions people make that get them there); that rationalization, however, does not make the problem go away. And there is no reason to believe that Hispanic illegal immigrants commit less crime than their legal counterparts. But, as you agree - any population commits crime - and clearly some do more than others (where you apparently disagree or desire not to acknowledge). It is in our keen interest to avoid incidences of illegal immigrants committing crime, because solid enforcement of the law in most cases would have prevented them and avoided injuries and damages to innocent citizens.

And while I don't like discussions of crime pertaining to race - because they do indeed enforce stereotypes - we as a society have done this to ourselves because parse out so many goodies and entitlements in race or tribal preference programs that tracking by race has become essential to maintaining them. Racial or tribal identification has become a means to redistribute wealth and opportunities - at the cost of merit and principle, so it is difficult to complain about stereotypes while at the same time insisting on preference programs (which the Left does). And given the crime statistics associated with race, sensitive types will unfortunately come across data that makes them unhappy, and deflect serious discussion of the core issues. This is so despite the media's reluctance to deal with these issues squarely. But the data is real, and so are the miseries of the communities that must deal with them. And in closing don't forget the most common victims of crime are the very denizens of the Hispanic and Black communities that are afflicted - making it difficult for them to move forward. That seems to me to be the most humane concern to tackle, although grouching about some "ism" may make people feel important or better.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: October 23, 2008 12:04PM

Whats the new overarching illegal immigrnt problem? Is it..they are taking Amerikan jobs...false...they commit more crimes then white people...false....they dont pay taxes...false.

Just look at the last month on wall street...the crimes committed and the cost of those crimes....they dwarf whatever crimes you want to attribute to hispanics.

The differenc is the criminal on wall street are protected..and in truth we all wish we could be as succesful criminals as they are..thats all...hispanics are up and coming criminals..while wall street criminals are who we want to be!

So get off your high horse and stop thinking so highly of yourself!



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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: vince is wrong ()
Date: October 23, 2008 04:16PM

Whether or not I am on a high horse or think highly of myself is irrelevant. You might be intuiting that I am very well educated - you are free to draw your own conclusions. What matters however is a cogent debate.

And you are incredibly delusional. It is simply the unfortunate fact that Hispanics and Blacks are convicted of violent and serious crimes at much, much higher rates than whites or Asians. Ditto for out-of-wedlock birth rates, lower educational levels, and a number of other dysfunctions that severely impact one's chances of success. Your wishing it isn't so will not make it otherwise. This of course does not mean that people should let stereotypes govern, but given that racial identity politics is so central to our public consciousness, it is hard to ignore this data. And putting more pressure on social costs and programs that detract from the affected citizens makes no sense - as these illegal immigrants in fact do.

And your faux outrage and plaintive cries to Wall Street are meaningless. Do you feel as strongly about the Mexican Government kleptocracy that ill serves their people (Mexico is not per capita poor country) so that they have degraded their society to the point where illegal immigration is their virtual only safety net? A rational person would posit that that is the cause of the problem, right?

And whether or not there have been crimes committed on Wall Street (another piece of ill informed classism, huh?) is irrelevant. We live in a society where the rule of law should govern and control and we ought to investigate and prosecute financial crimes with the same sense of vigor as illegal immigration and street crime. If for some reason we do not prosecute financial crimes (and note in the mortgage crisis most of the cases of fraud appeared to have occurred at the community level and in particular communities where sub-prime borrowers live where sound credit practices became extinct), then that does not justify criminal behavior of another kind. So just wailing about Wall Street gives off a myopic view. And it further ignores one of the principal causes of the financial crisis - but certainly not the only one - the concept that we could give loans to people that had poor credit scores and no life skills to pay them. And given the racial make-up of those being foreclosed, this is one race and social benefit program that has wrongfully harmed its intended recipients - a not unheard of thing when moral hazards are cast aside in the guise of do-gooderism.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Ration the Irrationalism ()
Date: October 23, 2008 05:41PM

vince is wrong Wrote:
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> Blah, blah, blah. Look at me write! I bet I could write the longest diatribe on the most insignificant topic in this election.

Exactly.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: October 23, 2008 07:38PM

Mexico...Mexico is primarily in the mess it is because we have trained them to be our illegal drug provider of choice. That is also true of most of Central and South America. If we really cared about stopping the madness south of the border we'd legalize most drugs and educate...and rehabilitate our own.

The fact is this country has always used it's legal and penitentary system as an extension of it's racial priorities of the day. Best example are the sentences handed out for people using crack cocaine vice powered...crack is used by lower income users vice powered cocaine which is used by more wealthy users such as we might find on Wall Street..or McLean VA.

A country which has 33% of the black male community currently in prison is a prison state. And like the excesses on wall street will come back to bite us.

An interesting fact....Latinos Account for Half of U.S. Population Growth Since 2000. In a reversal of past trends, Latino population growth in the new century has been more a product of the natural increase (births minus deaths) of the existing population than it has been of new international migration. Of the 10.2 million increase in the Hispanic population since 2000, about 60% of the increase (or 6 million) is due to natural increase and 40% is due to net international migration, according to U.S. Census Bureau figures. By contrast, more of the Hispanic population increase in the U.S. during the 1990s was the result of immigration (56%) rather than births over deaths of existing residents (44%), according to Pew Hispanic Center estimates.

Conclusion...all you hispanic haters better start learning spanish!

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1002/latino-population-growth



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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Mike ()
Date: October 23, 2008 08:47PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Conclusion...all you hispanic haters better start
> learning spanish!
>
> http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1002/latino-population
> -growth

Baloney!

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: vince is out of his mind ()
Date: October 24, 2008 02:13AM

Vince - how quaint to refer to Mexicans and the Mexican government as trainable by the United States? Are they pets with no skills or resources of their own? Can you be any more racist or elitist? How appalling.

And people are in prison (especially state penitentiaries) because they have committed serious crimes. There is a keen social interest in keeping them off the streets.

And the Black Congressional Caucus was key to passing the sentencing laws in the late 80's imposing sentence for crack cocaine. Of course they were - it was devastating their communities. It was not the result of racist conspiracies, and while is in need of adjustment today, only adds marginally to the problem of black incarceration today. There is no magic - more serious crimes are committed - no way around it. And warmed over Maoist isms won't make it better.

You can do far better than this...it works in far lefty echo chambers, but not with people who deign to think.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: October 24, 2008 07:30AM

vince is out of his mind Wrote:
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> Vince - how quaint to refer to Mexicans and the
> Mexican government as trainable by the United
> States? Are they pets with no skills or resources
> of their own? Can you be any more racist or
> elitist? How appalling.
>
> And people are in prison (especially state
> penitentiaries) because they have committed
> serious crimes. There is a keen social interest
> in keeping them off the streets.
>
> And the Black Congressional Caucus was key to
> passing the sentencing laws in the late 80's
> imposing sentence for crack cocaine. Of course
> they were - it was devastating their communities.
> It was not the result of racist conspiracies, and
> while is in need of adjustment today, only adds
> marginally to the problem of black incarceration
> today. There is no magic - more serious crimes
> are committed - no way around it. And warmed over
> Maoist isms won't make it better.
>
> You can do far better than this...it works in far
> lefty echo chambers, but not with people who deign
> to think.

If they did..they were wrong..and I am sure they have come to that realization...
You all miss the point about prison...I am not suggesting anyone committing a crime. But when it results in 33% of a particular group being imprisoned...other strategies must be tried..preemptive strategies. Not doing so..is racist! As racist as the slave owners...as racist as the welfare supporters.

It is a keen social issue to keep people out of prison..not in prison.

As far as my "trained" statement...I wish you all would stop using your stupid debate strategies when you respond and address the issue....the issue is not if I am an elitist...though most of you certainly make me feel that way. The point is...our money...our wealth (or what we have left of it)....motivates behavior throughout the world. WHen we throw so much money into Mexico for drugs..they respond accordingly...thenm we act horrified when they develop a criminal economy. Lets stop our drug society from spreading its poison...legalize drugs...educate people..rehabilitate people who are dependent on drugs. Keep Mexico and the rest of Central and South America out of it.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: vince is really wrong ()
Date: October 24, 2008 02:30PM

Vince - I find that those that name call - stupid debate strategies is just an example - is indeed reflective of those that cannot engage in rational discussion. Your level of education likely is far less than my own - a position I can have some sympathy for - but in the end there is no substitute for logic and debate. And your statement about Mexican's being trainable is hardly accidental - those that think America is the cause of all the world's problems impute an outsized value to America's actions while concomitantly failing to realize that Mexico and Mexicans (and others similarly situated) can make a difference in their own destiny. Denying them potential for self-determination is dooming them with low expectations, and reveals some frankly negative and racist assumptions about them.

And your efforts to deflect Mexico's problems on to the US don't make any economic sense. Mexico is in fact not a poor country - over 10k per capita - they in fact benefit from being so close to the world's (at least to date) most vibrant economic engine - and their inability to adopt market reforms, lower their cost of capital, provide at least a reasonable social services and safety net - are the major drivers behind their problems. Every entity that seriously looks at Mexico's problems - including the World Bank and IADB - know this to be the case. This does not mean that drug trafficking is not a problem - it is - but that Mexico is a country with some promise - and by permitting illegal immigration to be their de facto social safety net we are enabling the worst form of behavior - most functioning governments act out of necessity - and Mexico is free from having to do so.

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Re: Gerry Connoll's Fairfax County
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: October 24, 2008 05:07PM

damn...a republican elitist! you think just because you are so "highly educated" you know a damn thing? we arent just talking of mexico...most of south america...except those who stand up to our imperialism are heavily involved in feeding us our drugs...when we throw money at them...we can buy their "loyalty" as we have recently done in columbia...

the single best thing we could do for mexico and every other country south of us is to decriminalize drugs...our drug problems are the root cause for their coruption..their violence...their lack of progress.



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