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Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: July 31, 2013 08:19AM

I'm curious to see if there are any Freemasons on this site that live in Fairfax County or Northern VA. I'm curious to know more about the Masons and how to join, etc. Anyone have any first hand experience?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Masons ()
Date: July 31, 2013 09:04AM

In order to join, you must ask a Mason, they don't recruit. If you don't know of any Masons, contact the nearest lodge and they can help you. There is good information about joining the craft at the Grand Lodge of Virginia's website:
http://www.grandlodgeofvirginia.org/membership/index.htm

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: July 31, 2013 10:51AM

Me.

As Masons says, to be one, ask one. My lodge is in Alexandria, even though I'm in Fairfax now because that's where I joined. There are a number of active lodges in Fairfax, including Henry and Acacia. Check them out.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Munsonhill ()
Date: July 31, 2013 10:53AM

That's right, you need to ask because no one will ask you. I really enjoy being a Mason, but like anything else you get out of it what you put into it. It won't be a drain on your time, but passing the Entered Apprenrice and Fellowcraft degrees will take some study time. Nothing is written down, and you have to pass these oral examinations by meeting with a brother who will help you learn. Can't look them up online either, because each state has different wording.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: July 31, 2013 01:17PM

Thank you for the information, my wife and I paid a visit last year to the George Washington Masonic National Memorial. We were both fascinated with the structure, the Masons, and the history surrounding it. Very much enjoyed the tour of it.

I was particularly impressed by their visionary statement, “To inspire humanity through education to emulate and promote the virtues, character and vision of George Washington, the Man, the Mason and Father of our Country.”


Anyone who hasn't gone out on the tour, here's the webpage for the Memorial. They have excellent tours there.

George Washington Masonic National Memorial
http://gwmemorial.org/
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: HiramAbiff ()
Date: July 31, 2013 03:16PM

Freemasonry is interesting - it is a fraternal organization that basically focuses on learning, while in the company of like-minded men. It's not a social club - if you want beer nights then try the Moose or Elks lodges. (Not putting them down, just a fact.)

There are also different types of lodges. Alexandria-Washington 22 is pretty conservative and patriotic (George Washington was a member), while lodges such as Acacia and Elmer Timberman have more of a small-town feel to them (not as big or formal).

I get a lot out of being a Freemason. As someone who travels a lot it's great to meet people from all over the country (and World) who share similar ideals.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Mr. Notlob ()
Date: July 31, 2013 03:40PM


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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: July 31, 2013 03:51PM

HiramAbiff Wrote:
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> Freemasonry is interesting - it is a fraternal
> organization that basically focuses on learning,
> while in the company of like-minded men. It's not
> a social club - if you want beer nights then try
> the Moose or Elks lodges. (Not putting them down,
> just a fact.)
>
> There are also different types of lodges.
> Alexandria-Washington 22 is pretty conservative
> and patriotic (George Washington was a member),
> while lodges such as Acacia and Elmer Timberman
> have more of a small-town feel to them (not as big
> or formal).
>
> I get a lot out of being a Freemason. As someone
> who travels a lot it's great to meet people from
> all over the country (and World) who share similar
> ideals.

When we toured the George Washington Masonic National Memorial, I got the sense that the Freemasons had an extensive history and perhaps a sound understanding and knowledge of various types of trades and disciplines. Is that truely the case?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: GeorgeMasonIV ()
Date: July 31, 2013 04:01PM

Yes, Freemasonry was old when George Washington joined. It's been around a while. The story is kind of complicated, but basically 'operative masons' were the guys who built cathedrals etc throughout Europe, while 'speculative masons' were the modern Freemasons. In the Middle Ages, a Master Mason would be given passwords, handshakes, etc to prove that they were who they said they were when they went to a new job site. That's where the trade part of it came in, it goes back farther than that to the banking part of the knights templar.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: iwillsurvive ()
Date: July 31, 2013 04:02PM

i applied but they drunk too much, like shit faced on a tuesday night.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Sir Charles ()
Date: July 31, 2013 04:11PM

GeorgeMasonIV Wrote:
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> That's where the trade part of it came in, it goes back
> farther than that to the banking part of the
> knights templar.

I recently saw a special on the Freemasons and weren't they condemned by the Pope as being heretics and excommunicated? (the Templars and later the Freemasons by name).

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: G. Washington ()
Date: July 31, 2013 04:23PM

I sling some mortar and stack bricks but not for free.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Freemason wannabe ()
Date: July 31, 2013 04:32PM

I just can't get into their greeting rituals.
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: ?????????? ()
Date: July 31, 2013 07:26PM

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> Me.
>
> As Masons says, to be one, ask one. My lodge is in
> Alexandria, even though I'm in Fairfax now because
> that's where I joined. There are a number of
> active lodges in Fairfax, including Henry and
> Acacia. Check them out.

Brian, is this you in the picture?
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: July 31, 2013 07:35PM

No. I'm taller.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: ?????????? ()
Date: July 31, 2013 07:46PM

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> No. I'm taller.

Taller with or without the antlers?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Freemason Lodge - Section 8 ()
Date: July 31, 2013 07:55PM

The new Freemason Lodge for Section 8 housing tenants...
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Usual Suspect ()
Date: July 31, 2013 08:53PM

I invite you to join the Mystic Knights of the Sea.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Amos 'n' Andy ()
Date: July 31, 2013 09:15PM

Usual Suspect Wrote:
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> I invite you to join the Mystic Knights of the
> Sea.
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: August 01, 2013 09:16AM

?????????? Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> > No. I'm taller.
>
> Taller with or without the antlers?


With. I'm big.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: August 01, 2013 09:18AM

It looks like alot of historical and even modern day successful politicians and businessmen are Freemasons. Is that a benefit from being part of the organization? Members helping out members or lending support?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: August 01, 2013 11:25AM

I don't think so. Honestly, I just think that the same folks who are drawn to politics are drawn to organizations like this. We don't talk politics in the lodge and folks come from all walks of life and political persuasions.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: the man ()
Date: August 01, 2013 11:38AM

do they offer any sort of organizations for woman to attend?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Inquiring minds... ()
Date: August 01, 2013 11:57AM

the man Wrote:
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> do they offer any sort of organizations for woman
> to attend?

More importantly, do they have strippers and/or hookers at their lodge meetings?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: August 01, 2013 01:08PM

the man Wrote:
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> do they offer any sort of organizations for woman
> to attend?

Yes, there's an appendant body to Masonry called Eastern Star which is exclusively for women.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: August 01, 2013 01:15PM

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> the man Wrote:
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> > do they offer any sort of organizations for
> woman
> > to attend?
>
> Yes, there's an appendant body to Masonry called
> Eastern Star which is exclusively for women.

So they're not co-ed?

Also I remember going on the tour and being told that the freemason members can access a private library; my understanding is that the library has all kinds of interesting historical information, lessons, engineering and building materials, etc. Which I would love to spend hours and hours there reading.

Also another question, one of the other posters above said you have to do several oral related exams. Is that true?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: zdawg ()
Date: August 01, 2013 05:34PM

The exams are called Chatecism Returns - you are asked a series of questions that you must know the answers to, word-for-word. It usually takes a few months of one-on-one instruction to memorize them, assuming you meet once a week with an instructor.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: svennestle ()
Date: August 01, 2013 05:50PM

I've done some brick and floor stone work but would like lesssons myself!

Nothing much online about the art of working stone (etc) to be found online.

There is a school for brick masonry (maybe one closer) in Virginia. Virginia exports brick and lumber and has done "studies" on uses.

eastern star for women? well i hope they give me lessons! ha. now back to stone work...

really now. George Mason was a mason and did some of his own work. it wasn't just some social club. i'm sure maybe they organized labor beyond stone work because of who was attenting. but i'm sure people in the art socialized.

he had a separate club (can't now remmeber the name) in DC for old war heros he at times attended. some civilians complained he was over-spending tax money because they built the particular club house, lavishly.

NO MONEY IN IT? I assure you stone masons were paid. And attended to get lined up with work and learn how to get their lines true. I'm sure their's atmosphere beyond that: allot of it hype.

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another popular old women's club is "daughter's of the american revolution". i helped do a flier for them once.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Hmmmmm.... ()
Date: August 01, 2013 08:22PM

zdawg Wrote:
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> The exams are called Chatecism Returns - you are
> asked a series of questions that you must know the
> answers to, word-for-word. It usually takes a few
> months of one-on-one instruction to memorize them,
> assuming you meet once a week with an instructor.


http://books.google.com/books?id=QLbf1iijp-cC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=Catechism+Returns&source=bl&ots=52a2qtb0bG&sig=Jm5QRWvs5rC1suhtAPhyu6a5T_U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kPv6Ubn5INTK4APhsYC4CQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwATgU#v=onepage&q=Catechism%20Returns&f=false

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: MartinLuther ()
Date: August 01, 2013 08:53PM

The link in the post above is about the catechism of the Catholic Church, not Freemasonry.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: <><><><><><> ()
Date: August 02, 2013 06:29AM

MartinLuther Wrote:
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> The link in the post above is about the catechism
> of the Catholic Church, not Freemasonry.

So what's the link between the two?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: MartinLuther ()
Date: August 02, 2013 07:22AM

Nothing really. They just both use the word 'catechism', and it looks like Hmmmmm.... typed that word into google and posted the result without actually reading what it said.

Oh, and Catholics cannot be Freemasons, as the pope has forbidden Catholics from joining.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: <><><><><><> ()
Date: August 02, 2013 07:23AM

MartinLuther Wrote:
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> Nothing really. They just both use the word
> 'catechism', and it looks like Hmmmmm.... typed
> that word into google and posted the result
> without actually reading what it said.
>
> Oh, and Catholics cannot be Freemasons, as the
> pope has forbidden Catholics from joining.

Now that I knew, because the church branded the Freemasons and the Templars as being heretics back hundreds of years ago following the crusades.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Hollywood ()
Date: August 02, 2013 07:35AM

Freemasons seem like a creepy, secret-society fraternity. I saw a few specials on history channel where one of their members was involved in a murder or murders about a hundred years ago. The masons hid him and protected him from the authorities.

Seems like there are still strange things afoot there...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100127124340AAC4JAw

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: August 02, 2013 08:47AM

<><><><><><> Wrote:
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> MartinLuther Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nothing really. They just both use the word
> > 'catechism', and it looks like Hmmmmm.... typed
> > that word into google and posted the result
> > without actually reading what it said.
> >
> > Oh, and Catholics cannot be Freemasons, as the
> > pope has forbidden Catholics from joining.
>
> Now that I knew, because the church branded the
> Freemasons and the Templars as being heretics back
> hundreds of years ago following the crusades.

No. The original Templars are not affiliated with Masonry. There is an appendant body called the Knights Templar, but that's where the similarity ends.

Catholics are forbidden to be Masons because the Catholic Church views masonry negatively in that we do not require a belief in Jesus Christ - simply in any diety, those allowing anyone but an atheist - to join.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: August 02, 2013 09:49AM

Thanks for the information. This thread has been informative and interesting. Can you Freemasons tell me more about your organization, what it does, what is expected, etc?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: August 02, 2013 10:01AM

We're a fraternity. We do a lot of different things, but fundamentally, it's a place to meet folks, talk and meet new people. Most lodges typically hold events, will engage in community service, work to educate members about the organization, a lot of history.

We expect you to pay your dues (if you can), try to attend lodge once a month - whatever is within your ability. At the end of the day, masonry is like anything else. You get out of it what you put into it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/02/2013 10:01AM by BrianSchoeneman.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: August 02, 2013 10:04AM

Thanks!

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Masons ()
Date: August 02, 2013 10:06AM

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> <><><><><><> Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MartinLuther Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nothing really. They just both use the word
> > > 'catechism', and it looks like Hmmmmm....
> typed
> > > that word into google and posted the result
> > > without actually reading what it said.
> > >
> > > Oh, and Catholics cannot be Freemasons, as
> the
> > > pope has forbidden Catholics from joining.
> >
> > Now that I knew, because the church branded the
> > Freemasons and the Templars as being heretics
> back
> > hundreds of years ago following the crusades.
>
> No. The original Templars are not affiliated with
> Masonry. There is an appendant body called the
> Knights Templar, but that's where the similarity
> ends.
>
> Catholics are forbidden to be Masons because the
> Catholic Church views masonry negatively in that
> we do not require a belief in Jesus Christ -
> simply in any diety, those allowing anyone but an
> atheist - to join.


To be clear, Catholics can be Freemasons and there are many. The church tells men that they are forbidden from joining the fraternity, but some still join. Being a Catholic meets the Masons requirement of believing in a deity. In order to accommodate men who want to join a fraternity like the Masons, the Catholic church started the Knights of Columbus.

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Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: August 02, 2013 10:10AM

> To be clear, Catholics can be Freemasons and there
> are many. The church tells men that they are
> forbidden from joining the fraternity, but some
> still join. Being a Catholic meets the Masons
> requirement of believing in a deity. In order to
> accommodate men who want to join a fraternity like
> the Masons, the Catholic church started the
> Knights of Columbus.

Correct - we don't bar Catholics from joining. The Catholic Church, however, does bar Masons from taking communion as they view anyone who has joined to be in a state of "grave sin."

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: RJR ()
Date: August 02, 2013 10:35AM

Try my lodge:
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Easy Peasy ()
Date: August 02, 2013 11:58AM

FYI - 90% of the Freemasons are old gay guys.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: notsurethatsright ()
Date: August 02, 2013 05:20PM

I don't think that statistic is correct...

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: deerrrr ()
Date: August 02, 2013 07:38PM

100% are gay and 75% are old, get your stats right faggot!

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Harry Truman ()
Date: August 02, 2013 11:49PM

Harry Truman says no.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Two Cents ()
Date: August 03, 2013 03:17PM

Thanks, I was reading through one of the comments above. What happens to Freemasons if they commit a crime, does the rest of the organization provide assistance for legal defense? I happened to see a special on the Freemasons on Destination America this past week.

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Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: August 03, 2013 03:37PM

Two Cents Wrote:
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> Thanks, I was reading through one of the comments
> above. What happens to Freemasons if they commit a
> crime, does the rest of the organization provide
> assistance for legal defense? I happened to see a
> special on the Freemasons on Destination America
> this past week.

Not formally. But being a member puts you in a network of folks who should be able to refer you to someone who can help. Depends on the lodge and who is in the lodge. I think I'm the only lawyer in my lodge.

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Posted by: thatsaboutright ()
Date: August 03, 2013 07:28PM

I agree with Brian above - Masonry does have a benefit in the networking field. I don't think a judge would ever let you off a crime, or give you a lower sentence if he were also a Mason (that would break several Masonic codes), but you may find advice, a lawyer, etc. within the Craft that could be of help.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Prisoner Zero ()
Date: August 04, 2013 02:16PM

When you get sworn, instead of saying "I do" say "Is there no help for the Widow's Son?"

Do they still end with "so help me God"? I've always wanted to be confronted with that so I could say "No."

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: shaquille ()
Date: August 04, 2013 07:02PM

Are Negroes allowed in the club?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: August 04, 2013 07:19PM

shaquille Wrote:
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> Are Negroes allowed in the club?

Sure.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Question for You ()
Date: August 09, 2013 08:49PM

Do the Freemasons engage in any political activities (as a group)?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: August 09, 2013 08:58PM

Question for You Wrote:
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> Do the Freemasons engage in any political
> activities (as a group)?

No.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Question for You ()
Date: August 09, 2013 09:32PM

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> Question for You Wrote:
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> > Do the Freemasons engage in any political
> > activities (as a group)?
>
> No.

Is it forbidden? I mean Washington and the others were all Masons and politicians to boot.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Goodq ()
Date: August 09, 2013 09:43PM

Good question! Freemasons do not discuss politics in Lodge meetings, that is forbidden. But outside the Lodge, you can discuss anything you want. And although Masons don't vote in blocks like unions do, you can bet that a Mason would more likely vote for a brother Mason than someone else.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Question for You ()
Date: August 10, 2013 04:50AM

Goodq Wrote:
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> Good question! Freemasons do not discuss politics
> in Lodge meetings, that is forbidden. But outside
> the Lodge, you can discuss anything you want. And
> although Masons don't vote in blocks like unions
> do, you can bet that a Mason would more likely
> vote for a brother Mason than someone else.

Why is it forbidden? Washington and the other founding fathers were politicians. Surely they must have talked politics in the lodge meetings, right?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Goodq ()
Date: August 10, 2013 02:57PM

We don't discuss politics or religion inside the Lodge because it can cause disharmony. Any subject is fair game outside the lodge, but those subjects cause tension. If George Washington had used a Lodge meeting as a political rally or sounding board, how would other brothers who disagreed with his politics feel? It would turn into a political debate which there is enough of outside the Lodge.

I recommend the song 'Politics, Religion, and Her' by Sammy Kershaw to explain further.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: August 10, 2013 03:01PM

Goodq Wrote:
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> We don't discuss politics or religion inside the
> Lodge because it can cause disharmony. Any
> subject is fair game outside the lodge, but those
> subjects cause tension. If George Washington had
> used a Lodge meeting as a political rally or
> sounding board, how would other brothers who
> disagreed with his politics feel? It would turn
> into a political debate which there is enough of
> outside the Lodge.
>
> I recommend the song 'Politics, Religion, and Her'
> by Sammy Kershaw to explain further.

This makes perfect sense to me. It's a fraternity with like-minded fellows. Subjects that are divisive are left at the door, correct?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Hiram ()
Date: August 10, 2013 11:06PM

Yup.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: A story to share ()
Date: August 18, 2013 10:14AM

An interesting story often told by Abraham Lincoln, about Ethan Allen and a portrait of George Washington...

"It was right after the revolution, right after peace had been concluded. And Ethan Allen went to London to help our new country conduct its business with the king. The English sneered at how rough we are and rude and simple-minded and on like that, everywhere he went.

Til one day he was invited to the townhouse of a great English lord. Dinner was served, beverages imbibed, time passed as happens and Mr. Allen found he needed the privy. (He needed to use the bathroom)

He was grateful to be directed to this. Relieved, you might say. Mr. Allen discovered on entering the water closet (British Outhouse) that the only decoration therein was a portrait of George Washington.

Ethan Allen done what he came to do and returned to the drawing room. His host and the others were disappointed when he didn't mention Washington's portrait. And finally his lordship couldn't resist and asked Mr. Allen had he noticed it.

The picture of Washington. He had. Well what did he think of its placement? Did it seem appropriately located to Mr. Allen? And Mr. Allen said it did. The host was astounded. "Appropriate? George Washington's likeness in a water closet?"

"Yes," said Mr. Allen, "where it will do good service. The world knows nothing will make an Englishman shit quicker than the sight of George Washington."

I love that story."

~From the Lincoln movie, very similiar to the original story he told of often.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Pukahontas ()
Date: August 18, 2013 11:33PM

Many of the revolutionary heroes were brother Masons, and I often feel that the Craft helped them form the idea of a country of certain tolerances that were lacking in other places such as GB (where the 'home' of Freemasonry was).

George Washington was initiated, passed, and raised in the Fredericksburg lodge, and was the first Worshipful Master of Alexandria Lodge No. 22.

The father of our country was first and foremost a Virginian, which I am very proud of.

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Posted by: MOre info on George ()
Date: August 19, 2013 04:29AM

Here's some more info on Washington...

Washington was initiated into Freemasonry in 1752. He had a high regard for the Masonic Order and often praised it, but he seldom attended lodge meetings. He was attracted by the movement's dedication to the Enlightenment principles of rationality, reason and fraternalism; the American lodges did not share the anti-clerical perspective that made the European lodges so controversial. In 1777, a convention of Virginia lodges recommended Washington to be the Grand Master of the newly established Grand Lodge of Virginia; however, Washington declined, due to his necessity to lead the Continental Army at a critical stage, and because he had never been installed as Master or Warden of a lodge, he did not consider it Masonically legal to serve as Grand Master. In 1788, Washington, with his personal consent, was named Master in the Virginia charter of Alexandria Lodge No. 22.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Amos ()
Date: August 23, 2013 11:16PM

It's true Gen. Washington didn't have much to do with the running of Alexandria Lodge No.22 while he was Master, he was very busy at the time running a new country. But he always found time in his correspondence to make sure the Lodge was well governed.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: August 26, 2013 02:28PM

Amos Wrote:
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> It's true Gen. Washington didn't have much to do
> with the running of Alexandria Lodge No.22 while
> he was Master, he was very busy at the time
> running a new country. But he always found time
> in his correspondence to make sure the Lodge was
> well governed.

The George Washington Masonic National Memorial actually has a real portrait of him, it was the only one he sat down and ever allowed.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: svennestle ()
Date: August 26, 2013 10:53PM

"the only one he allowed"

your full of shit. georgey was not a snob or pain in the ass.

georgey was also famous for railing against congressman who talked about business outside of the congressional hall (at the time called collusionary) and said any congress poeple making "foreign entanglements" were kin with planning treason.

he left us many saying about how not to trust congress's aptitude toward cutting the throats of their own citizens. all of them ignored today.

he said the "two party system" (democrat republican) should be illegal. that it would be a nail in the coffin for collusion.

hell all they do is create damages and point fingers back and forth like a game of moving chairs

he didn't allow congress to spend shitloads of money building a tomb of him: after he died they spend the money anyway but his body was not put there

georgey was too might and powerful to agree to be painted so the people could see his image? people loved him. though some claim he himself spent way too much and caused poverty. he did buy imports and took part in some fanciful buildings.

my butt he wouldn't allow himself to be seen or painted, though.



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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: vamann ()
Date: August 26, 2013 11:35PM

svennestle- Welcome to America! I'm sure your vocabulary, spelling, and sentence construction will improve as time goes on!

Virginia Dare is half right - it is estimated that Washington sat for about 32 portraits, not just one.

BUT, it is the only portrait that was not 'kind' to him... it shows smallpox scars, another scar on his cheek, and a mole. No other portrait ever included these out of deference, and Washington wrote that it was the best likeness he had ever seen.

Side note: historians believe that he didn't have any children because the smallpox left him sterile.

Come visit the painting in the replica Lodge room of Alexandria-Washington No. 22 at the Masonic Memorial.

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Posted by: Virginia Dare ()
Date: August 27, 2013 07:39AM

Oh yes, you're right...

Object Spotlight: How many times did George Washington sit for his portrait?
http://www.georgewashingtonwired.org/2013/03/14/object-spotlight-how-many-times-did-george-washington-sit-for-his-portrait/

George Washington may be the most recognizable figure in American history. You’ve probably seen many different portraits of him–in fact, there are hundreds! But what you may not know is Washington didn’t pose for each portrait himself. So, how many times did Washington sit for an artist to take his likeness?

Portrait sittings were not always recorded, so we can’t be certain, but after combing through diaries, letters, and other documentary evidence, historian David Meschutt found that Washington posed at least 32 times for 19 different artists between 1772 and 1798. As the numbers suggest, Washington sometimes sat for the same artist multiple times.

He was portrayed by these 19 artists in a variety of forms, including oil paintings, drawings, pastels, watercolor miniatures, and clay sculpture. Among the most recognizable artists Washington sat for were Jean-Antoine Houdon, Edward Savage, John Trumbull, and Gilbert Stuart.

Artists often made copies of their own work, and of the works of others, which accounts for the numerous Washington portraits that exist. Gilbert Stuart alone made as many as 75 copies of his famous “Athenaeum” portrait (better known as the portrait featured on the $1 bill).

Despite his prominent status as General of the Continental Army and First President of the United States, Washington did not enjoy having his portrait taken. On May 21, 1772, a day after he sat for Charles Willson Peale, Washington wrote to his friend Jonathan Boucher:

"Inclination having yielded to Importunity, I am now, contrary to all expectation under the hands of Mr Peale; but in so grave–so sullen a Mood–and now and then under the influence of Morpheus, when some critical strokes are making, that I fancy the skill of this Gentleman’s Pencil, will be put to it, in describing to the World what manner of Man I am."

Morpheus is the Greek god of dreams–and it seems Washington was on the verge of falling asleep during his portrait sitting!

Jessie MacLeod
Assistant Curator
Department of Historic Preservation and Collections

For more details on Washington’s life portraits, see David Meschutt, “Life Portraits of George Washington,” in Barbara J. Mitnick, ed., George Washington: American Symbol (New York: Hudson Hills Press, 1999), pp. 25-37.

One of Stuart’s many copies of his Athenaeum portrait, which Washington posed for in 1796.
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Short ()
Date: August 27, 2013 09:26AM

What is the Catholic Church's official position on Freemasonry? Are Catholics free to become Freemasons?

Answer:
Freemasonry is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Freemasonry teaches a naturalistic religion that espouses indifferentism, the position that a person can be equally pleasing to God while remaining in any religion.

Masonry is a parallel religion to Christianity. The New Catholic Encyclopedia states, "Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites."

Masonry is also a secret society. Its initiates subscribe to secret blood oaths that are contrary to Christian morals. The prospective Mason swears that if he ever reveals the secrets of Masonry - secrets which are trivial and already well-known - he wills to be subject to self-mutilation or to gruesome execution. (Most Masons, admittedly, never would dream of carrying out these punishments on themselves or on an errant member).

Historically, one of Masonry's primary objectives has been the destruction of the Catholic Church; this is especially true of Freemasonry as it has existed in certain European countries. In the United States, Freemasonry is often little more than a social club, but it still espouses a naturalistic religion that contradicts orthodox Christianity. (Those interested in joining a men's club should consider the Knights of Columbus instead.)

The Church has imposed the penalty of excommunication on Catholics who become Freemasons. The penalty of excommunication for joining the Masonic Lodge was explicit in the 1917 code of canon law (canon 2335), and it is implicit in the 1983 code (canon 1374).

Because the revised code of canon law is not explicit on this point, some drew the mistaken conclusion that the Church's prohibition of Freemasonry had been dropped. As a result of this confusion, shortly before the 1983 code was promulgated, the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a statement indicating that the penalty was still in force.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Serious question ()
Date: August 27, 2013 11:01AM

Short Wrote:
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> What is the Catholic Church's official position on
> Freemasonry? Are Catholics free to become
> Freemasons?
>
> Answer:
> Freemasonry is incompatible with the Catholic
> faith. Freemasonry teaches a naturalistic religion
> that espouses indifferentism, the position that a
> person can be equally pleasing to God while
> remaining in any religion.
>
> Masonry is a parallel religion to Christianity.
> The New Catholic Encyclopedia states, "Freemasonry
> displays all the elements of religion, and as such
> it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel.
> It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral
> code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise
> of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a
> hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites."
>
> Masonry is also a secret society. Its initiates
> subscribe to secret blood oaths that are contrary
> to Christian morals. The prospective Mason swears
> that if he ever reveals the secrets of Masonry -
> secrets which are trivial and already well-known -
> he wills to be subject to self-mutilation or to
> gruesome execution. (Most Masons, admittedly,
> never would dream of carrying out these
> punishments on themselves or on an errant member).
>
>
> Historically, one of Masonry's primary objectives
> has been the destruction of the Catholic Church;
> this is especially true of Freemasonry as it has
> existed in certain European countries. In the
> United States, Freemasonry is often little more
> than a social club, but it still espouses a
> naturalistic religion that contradicts orthodox
> Christianity. (Those interested in joining a men's
> club should consider the Knights of Columbus
> instead.)
>
> The Church has imposed the penalty of
> excommunication on Catholics who become
> Freemasons. The penalty of excommunication for
> joining the Masonic Lodge was explicit in the 1917
> code of canon law (canon 2335), and it is implicit
> in the 1983 code (canon 1374).
>
> Because the revised code of canon law is not
> explicit on this point, some drew the mistaken
> conclusion that the Church's prohibition of
> Freemasonry had been dropped. As a result of this
> confusion, shortly before the 1983 code was
> promulgated, the Sacred Congregation for the
> Doctrine of the Faith issued a statement
> indicating that the penalty was still in force.

What is the specific reason why the masons in Europe wanted to bring down the Catholic Church? Wanted to eliminate the competition?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: popeee ()
Date: August 27, 2013 12:31PM

It wasn't so much that the Masons wasnted to bring down the Catholic Church, but more so to have it reformed.

Remember that back then, everything was tied to the church, including learning. So new ideas and thoughts had to be in line with the Church, or the thinkers or publishers could be punished. This goes against the ideals of Freemasonry.

Not that the church is that rigid today, but when I read the Bible, I don't see anything about a pope, or cardinals, etc. So when they announce things that are sins or aren't sins I don't really put to much weight on it. Kind of like of like our government 'interpreting' the constitution to meet their own ends.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: equestion ()
Date: October 27, 2013 08:44PM

So are you voted into different ranks once you are in?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: BrianSchoeneman ()
Date: October 27, 2013 09:24PM

equestion Wrote:
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> So are you voted into different ranks once you are
> in?

There are different officer positions and yes, you can be voted into those positions. Generally, there's a line in which officers are promoted from one position to the next, giving them time to learn the role and memorize the ritual required of that position. How this is handled varies from lodge to lodge.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Citizens for Schoenemon ()
Date: October 27, 2013 09:31PM

Yet another reason Brian should run again.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: ???? ()
Date: October 28, 2013 09:00AM

So the founding fathers involved in the Masons must have been quite adept at each's roles/standing, correct? They had to master each principle before moving up.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: for???? ()
Date: February 18, 2014 06:33PM

For ????:

More than their standing in the Lodge, the brethren would know that they shared certain values and principles, and perhaps goals towards enlightenment.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: XkTXH ()
Date: February 19, 2014 07:03AM

for???? Wrote:
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> For ????:
>
> More than their standing in the Lodge, the
> brethren would know that they shared certain
> values and principles, and perhaps goals towards
> enlightenment.

I curious about the values of the Masons. Do the ends justify the means? Are the Masons willing to sacrifice some for the larger whole?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: MLK Day ()
Date: February 19, 2014 08:17AM

Who freed the Masons? Was it Lincoln? I think they already free north of the Mason-Dixon Line before the war, but my history teacher says that wasn't exactly true. I'm confused.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Not Into It ()
Date: February 19, 2014 08:25AM

Gay orgies just don't have any appeal for me. But hey, to each his own!

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Hyttufgk ()
Date: February 19, 2014 11:28AM

You should probably start a new thread on this.

Not Into It Wrote:
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> Gay orgies just don't have any appeal for me. But
> hey, to each his own!

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: xbHYU ()
Date: February 19, 2014 05:01PM

46 2 3 5 86 29 26

Socks

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Pballyo ()
Date: February 19, 2014 10:41PM

^^^Powerball numbers?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Warrior1256 ()
Date: February 20, 2014 04:22PM

I'm from Louisville Ky. I have applied to join the lodge myself. Just waiting on the results of the vote to admit me.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: GWNMM ()
Date: February 20, 2014 06:22PM

George Washington as Master of the Lodge at Alexandria, VA.
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Aswopqhg ()
Date: February 21, 2014 12:21PM

That was the old lodge, in Alexandria City Hall before it burned down. That's one of the main reasons they built the memorial in Alexandria, to house the Washington relics in a fire-safe place.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: 3KMk4 ()
Date: February 21, 2014 07:38PM

Oh George, if you only knew how this area turned out. You must be rolling in your coffin.

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5,000,000 Freemasons walk among us [Full Documentary] .
Posted by: Freemasons walk among us ()
Date: May 11, 2014 08:34PM

5,000,000 Freemasons walk among us [Full Documentary]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMZO1EXxfcY

An amazing documentary on the reality and existence of Freemasons, who walk among us. Our politicians, singers, stars, celebrities and even neighbours are infiltrated by them.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Deroder ()
Date: May 11, 2014 11:57PM

That last sentence makes no sense. Since you are clearly learning disabled, I will not click on the link you have provided.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Seeeaty ()
Date: June 10, 2014 12:41AM

Went on the tour in Alexandria today, awesome views!

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Wlsc ()
Date: July 01, 2014 01:32AM

yes

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: /G\ ()
Date: October 02, 2014 10:44PM

The main gate at Mt. Vernon was donated by Texas Freemasons and has a huge plaque there. First thing you see when you enter the grounds.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Back-N-Tyme ()
Date: October 03, 2014 01:27PM

A cult that is slowly dying out........

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Hello. ()
Date: January 14, 2016 09:11AM

Is it me you're looking for?

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Goose and Gridiron ()
Date: June 24, 2017 03:37PM

Happy 300th anniversary of the setting up of the first Grand Lodge: June 24, 1717. Masonry was around a lot longer than this, but it finally brought the craft into the open.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: No more sledding ()
Date: June 24, 2017 06:14PM

Back during the Ben Franklin days Masons where hellraisers, now a bunch of pussys. NO SLEDDING!
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: Close, but wrong ()
Date: June 24, 2017 07:28PM

No more sledding Wrote:
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> Back during the Ben Franklin days Masons where
> hellraisers, now a bunch of pussys. NO SLEDDING!


You well know that has nothing to do with the Freemasons, it's about the pussified lawyers these days. Can't get hurt on someone's private property without the owner getting sued.

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: No excuses ()
Date: June 25, 2017 10:03AM

Close, but wrong Wrote:
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> No more sledding Wrote:
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> -----
> > Back during the Ben Franklin days Masons where
> > hellraisers, now a bunch of pussys. NO
> SLEDDING!
>
>
> You well know that has nothing to do with the
> Freemasons, it's about the pussified lawyers these
> days. Can't get hurt on someone's private property
> without the owner getting sued.

Sled at own risk sign would work. Not like masons don't have the money to chase of ambulance chasers. What year did Freemasons lose their balls?
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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: mc cultish ()
Date: June 25, 2017 11:00AM

Back-N-Tyme Wrote:
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> A cult that is slowly dying out........

if only...a great cult for globalists to control low level fools and recruit high level tools

all the secrecy is so the lower level fools don't realize they have joined a satanic cult

baptists can pick on the catholic church, but church has mostly been very anti-freemasonry while fools in the baptists join by the boat load so they can get a gang advantage on their fellow christian non-member

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: All freemasons hail ()
Date: June 25, 2017 11:17AM

All hail our spiritual leader, Lucifer!!! :)

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Re: Any Fairfax Freemasons on this site?
Posted by: kabbala, satanism, freemasonry.. ()
Date: June 25, 2017 03:46PM

All freemasons hail Wrote:
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> All hail our spiritual leader, Lucifer!!! :)

albert pike said it better...

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]

albert pike is buried in dc, was a confederate general, and led the conspiracy to kill Lincoln...yet his statue right in the middle of DC is never boycotted or called out...now you know why

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Posted by: What does this have to do with ()
Date: June 25, 2017 04:00PM

kabbala, satanism, freemasonry.. Wrote:
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> All freemasons hail Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All hail our spiritual leader, Lucifer!!! :)
>
> albert pike said it better...
>
> "Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and
> mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness!
> Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who
> bears the Light, and with its splendors
> intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish
> souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and
> Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of
> Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff;
> Red Emphasis added]
>
> albert pike is buried in dc, was a confederate
> general, and led the conspiracy to kill
> Lincoln...yet his statue right in the middle of DC
> is never boycotted or called out...now you know
> why

Sledding! Haill Satan!
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