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Jay Mathews sides with the Fairgrade people
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: September 16, 2008 09:54PM

Jay Mathews (the guy everyone in this area respects for his school knowledge) encourages the FCPS to change the grade scale to the 10 point scale and do what FAIRGRADE asks.



In Grading Levels, The Playing Field Is Seldom Even

By Jay Mathews
Monday, September 15, 2008; B02

If I were the Fairfax County schools superintendent, wondering what to do about a growing parent revolt against the county's tough grading system, I would surrender immediately.

Just look at the rebels' Web site, http://Fairgrade.org. Their data and arguments are first rate. The leaders of the group, Fair Grades for Fairfax County Students, are professionals, with a passionate following. Giving in to Fairgrade, as it's known, will mean more grade inflation. But so what? Everybody's doing it.

Unfortunately for Superintendent Jack D. Dale and his research team studying the issue, that is not really true. If it were, they could succumb to the inevitable with a clear conscience. The truth is that in this region and the country, nothing about grading is universal or consistent, including the rate of inflation.

The Fairgrade parents have a simple, persuasive request. Junk the Fairfax standard of at least a 94 percent score for an A and switch to the 90 percent benchmark used in the Maryland suburbs, the District, Arlington County, Falls Church and much of the rest of the nation. They also want Fairfax students to get an extra grade point for taking Advanced Placement and International Baccalaureate courses and an extra half-point for honors classes, closer to the system in archrival Montgomery County. Fairfax kids will then no longer be at a disadvantage, Fairgrade says, when competing for scholarships and selective college admissions.

Fairgrade pounds school headquarters with powerful facts. Here are two sentences from its Web site guaranteed to furrow the brow of every McLean parent: "In 2007, only 5 percent of graduating seniors at Langley High School had a weighted [grade-point average] of 4.0 or higher. At Montgomery County's Churchill High, 36 percent of graduating seniors had a weighted GPA of 4.0 or higher." The schools are demographic and academic twins, with some of the wealthiest parents and highest test scores anywhere. Yet Montgomery's decision to give a bonus grade point for all honors, AP and IB courses, rather than Fairfax's half-grade point for AP and IB and no bonus for honors, makes Langley look like Churchill's dumb cousin.

The solution seems simple: Change the Fairfax rules, and all will be well. But that overlooks the wider significance of these wildly varying numbers. What happens, for instance, if Howard and Loudoun counties -- jealous of their big Montgomery and Fairfax neighbors -- decide to give their students 1 1/2 points extra for each AP grade?

The pedagogical arms race has been going on for some time. Bruce Poch, admissions dean at Pomona College, revealed in a Kaplan-Newsweek college guide (published by a unit of The Washington Post Co.) that the national mean grade-point average for students taking the SAT in 2006 to 2007 was 3.33. That means "a B-plus is now 'average,' " he wrote.

This drives students, parents and college counselors crazy. College admissions officers sometimes say they don't like it either, but guess what: Their hands are not clean. Their bosses want to improve their colleges' market positions, said Andrew Flagel, admissions dean at George Mason University. "Parents and students believe that a school with higher GPAs and scores for entering students is 'better,' " he said, "so the school gets higher ranks, more applicants" and other goodies if applicants with inflated grades enroll.

Fairfax parents may feel better if Fairgrade gets its way, but this is a big country with many other grade-distorting factors. States have different grading cultures. One study revealed that 49 percent of SAT takers in Texas, but only 29 percent in Connecticut, reported A averages. The rates for Maryland (38 percent) and Virginia (37 percent) were in the middle of the national scale, but the D.C. rate was only 30 percent. Grading also varies by subject. Researchers at Harvard University and the University of Virginia have recommended that high school science courses add half a grade point for honors and a full point for AP to be consistent with other courses. And everyone knows that teachers in adjoining classrooms often have very different ideas about how many students should get an A.

There are ways to give all students and parents, not just those in Fairfax, more confidence that they are not being shortchanged. Some districts have adopted universal final exams in some subjects. AP, IB and Cambridge tests are graded by outside experts who use common scoring guides.

As hard as it might be to believe, high school grades still predict college success as well as or better than standardized tests, particularly for minority students. Ken O'Connor, author of a recent Educational Testing Service book on grading, wonders if this means that "college grading is as bad or worse."

With the experts so perplexed, what should the Fairfax grading researchers do? Give up, I say. Grant Fairgrade parents their wishes. Join the rest of the region in its inflated state and hope the whole thing does not some day blow up in our faces.

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I hope this thread turns into another redistricting thread now that those people have this nice piece of ammo.

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Re: Jay Mathews sides with the Fairgrade people
Posted by: Awakened ()
Date: September 16, 2008 10:29PM

But you see, it might actually be an ADVANTAGE, because universities are WELL aware of our scale, and out AP bonuses. And they do treat FCPS students differently, so that it might actually be possible for us to be FAVORED due to our "disadvantage".. you see what I mean? It's a sort of reverse psychology, if you will.

I hate the scale too, but all FCPS students that are above certain levels (like 3.5 overall) are treated much more specially than students in other places in the US, and I don't want that suddenly changing next (senior) year. If they do put this in place, please do it after I graduate, hahah.

It's only a disadvantage RIGHT NOW. I think its quite possibly an ADVANTAGE in the long run.

I have a cousin who got into Cornell, after his HS GPAs were (in order by grade) 3.2,3.4,4.0,3.95... His SATs were good, 2250, and he did Debate. He got accepted into UVA too..

now you see, I don't think he wouldve been accepted to cornell if he were in montgomery county or howard. BUT ALSO Then again, he woulda gotten higher GPA's; but then again he might not've.

a 4.0 or 3.95 looks FAR stronger here, thats the point, and it gives more detail as to how our personalitys and minds've grown over the years, and helps us in that way, because some of us arent that great until we're upperclassmen. And it's good that junior year counts the most, cause thats when I believe most of us shine.

freshman and sophomore year, we're still children (including me, my grades were not very strong, yes above 3.3 always, but i was BARELY below the NHS average - which is 3.5). junior year things change, and we mature.

yeah, back to my point, it might be an advantage

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Re: Jay Mathews sides with the Fairgrade people
Posted by: NoFanofJayMathews ()
Date: September 17, 2008 11:48AM

I'm no fan of Jay Mathews, but he sure had it right this time.

Jay frequently editorializes rather than reports, skewing the story to his own version of the facts. This has been true in much if not all of his writing on IB vs. AP--remember he wrote "the book" on IB, considers himself an authority and has much of his reputation tied to its embrace by the public--and all of his coverage of the recent redistricting disaster in West County.

In this instance, however, Jay looks the facts from FairGrade straight in the face and comes out with an endorsement of common sense practice, if grudgingly.

FCPS does not do its teachers, students or wider educational community any justice by operating under its own nonconforming grading practices. The "we know better than you" arrogance displayed routinely by Dr. Dale and the school board on issues such as these is mind-boggling. Why make it tougher on students here and when they are applying for college entrance as well? There is no discernable educational or administrative advantage to the current system and it should be scrapped.

Kudos to Jay Mathews for recognizing the clear and persuasive message of FairGrade. Let's hope this is the beginning of a trend toward more insightful educational reporting in the Post.

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Re: Jay Mathews sides with the Fairgrade people
Date: September 17, 2008 01:23PM

Don't kid yourselves into thinking that FCPS' muddied Grading and Reporting could possibly give you an advantage. Admissions staff at most of the mid-atlantic colleges will know and will be able to interpret FCPS grades, but students applying to other schools outside of our immediate region are at an unequivocal disadvantage. National Merit Scholarships, awarded on PSAT performance and grades, don't differentiate between an A in Fairfax, Montgomery or D.C. AP, IB and Honors bonus points don't usally matter either. Admissions departments usually strip a transcript of all non-core academic grades and lend their own weights to Honors and college level grades earned. That way, they are able to better compare apples to apples in the applications process. FAIRGRADE's push for a ten-point grade scale would be, in my humble opinion, justice for all FCPS students. Kudos to FAIRGRADE.

An FCPS Graduate '84

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Re: Jay Mathews sides with the Fairgrade people
Posted by: I don't see it that way ()
Date: September 17, 2008 03:41PM

Am I the only one who read this article and assumed Matthews was being sarcastic?

I do not think he is supporting Fair Grade.

He is saying, why not throw in the towel and jump on the grade inflation bandwagon.

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Re: Jay Mathews sides with the Fairgrade people
Posted by: NoFanofJayMathews ()
Date: September 18, 2008 05:33PM

I don't know if he was being sarcastic, but I agree that he was holding his nose over "grade inflation". He did assess the FairGrade site and those behind it far more favorably than he did FairfaxCAPS. (Although I think his treatment of the CAPS gang just reflected his IB bias.)

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