With the economy down and many U.S. citizens needing jobs, why does Fairfax County hire non-U.S. citizens? Stop by your local firehouse or other local government facility, then give Gerry Connolly a call and ask for an explanation.

Stop complaining like you are right now.
Let me explain something to you, if you want to apply as firefighter, it is a long f...... process.
For example in Fairfax County according to their website, there 6 steps you have to pass, just to get hired and then about 6 months of basic training after that there are going to be a lot of training, my friend.

"Written exam and Candidate Physical Abilities Test Orientation Video
Practice CPAT (Candidate Physical Abilities Test)
Document Review and CPAT Exam
Polygraph Evaluation
Medical Examination
Psychological Profile Evaluation"

And I think there is a background check/investigation as well

So it is not about being a US Citizen or Non-Citizen, it is about having the qualifications and the guts for the job.
Do you have what it takes to get the job done?
So stop complaining get an aplication and apply, show us that you can do the job.
Be part of the solution not the problem.

sorry fireman...you are incorrect. being a US citizen should be a requirement. it is a public safety job and working in fairfax county you could have to respond to senstive government facilities.

for example fairfax county fire regularly responds to medical emergencies at CIA facilities, medical and fire alarms in high rise buildings that house "top secret" level activities and employess and access to buildings like the DIA building in baileys crossroads.

so being a US citizen should be a requirment. liberal connolly would love to give the job to an illegal immigrant.

the only reason that fairfax co hires US citizens only for police officer is because it is a state and federal requirement for access to the NCIC and other computer systems. if fairfax had their way they would hire non citizens to be cops as well.

I plan to demonstrate to Connolly what I think of his
policies on election day.

So I guess I'm lucky that I'm a US Citizen

the reason Connolly might want to give a job to a foreigner is because they dont whine and cry all day like you do.

Even D.C. requires you to be a citizen.............


Minimum Requirements: Firefighter/EMT

Applicants for the position of Firefighter/EMT must:

Be a US citizen at the time of appointment
Have reached the age of 19 but shall not have reached his or her 31st birthday as of June 14, 2008
Possess a current valid motor vehicle operator’s permit at the time of appointment
Possess a high school diploma or a certificate of equivalency (GED) issued by a recognized department of education
Pass the written firefighter/EMT entry-level examination on August 23, 2008
Pass a scheduled physical abilities test
Pass a thorough background check
Pass thorough medical and employment suitability assessment
Submit to urinalysis and test negative for the presence of controlled substances/illegal drugs
Be of high moral character and committed to public service

To find out more about careers with the DC Fire/Emergency Medical Services Department, call the DC Fire/EMS Recruiting Officer at (202) 673-3330.

Another anonymous poster trying to stir things up.

How many non US citizens does Fairfax County hire, 1, 2, 7, 150, 1000?

Are they green card carrying people or not so much green card carrying? Should Fairfax discriminate against green cards? Which countries of origin do you believe they should discriminate against ?

i believe if you are not a US citizen you should not be able to work in any type of a public trust (government lawyer/accountant) or public safety position ( police/fire/ems).

as far as other county positions i believe all governments should show a hiring pref to US citizens. if no qualified US citizens apply then anyone in this country legally AND is legally able to work should be considered.

i think this is a reasonable policy and from my knowledge of foriegn governments is even more generous then they offer to non-citizens...even those "liberal" european governments.

i know for a fact that their are multiple non US Citizens in the fairfax county fire deptartment.

Someone has to wash the trucks and cut the grass.

"Another anonymous poster trying to stir things up."

Green cards, I typed non-U.S. citizens, not illegals!

"How many non US citizens does Fairfax County hire, 1, 2, 7, 150, 1000?"

1 is too many when U.S. citizens are without jobs!



Believe what you want. When another 9/11 happens and the hole in security was public safety the politicians will play dumb.

Try traveling to another county and getting hired in a good government job. You won't get hired because other countries take care of their citizens first!

eric56789 Wrote:
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> sorry fireman...you are incorrect. being a US
> citizen should be a requirement. it is a public
> safety job and working in fairfax county you could
> have to respond to senstive government
> facilities.
>
> for example fairfax county fire regularly responds
> to medical emergencies at CIA facilities, medical
> and fire alarms in high rise buildings that house
> "top secret" level activities and employess and
> access to buildings like the DIA building in
> baileys crossroads.
>
> so being a US citizen should be a requirment.
> liberal connolly would love to give the job to an
> illegal immigrant.
>
> the only reason that fairfax co hires US citizens
> only for police officer is because it is a state
> and federal requirement for access to the NCIC and
> other computer systems. if fairfax had their way
> they would hire non citizens to be cops as well.


I totally agree. This horseshit of hiring non-citizens for Federal,
State, and local jobs is stupidity beyond description. It burns me up when friends of mine who are not only natural-born citizens and also honorably
discharged military veterans, cannot find suitable employment
in their fields due to the fact that politically correct
assholes (who actually make hiring decisions) think for some
reason we will all die if we do not have enough of their definition
of "diversity". For Christ's sakes, the guy who delivers my mail
can barely read English and habitually gets my mail mixed up
with the neighbors. We as citizens deserve better.

"Yoo wan beegee flies weet tat? Yes Sur, Meester Connollee, me
gib yoo all yoo wan! Now yoo gib me gleen kaad?"

there are thousands of non-US citizens in the United States military(all branches)... these guys are greencard-holders...

Timothy McVeigh

US Citizen.


enough said.

...and don't forget that many embassy staff and support personnel live in the County, often in homes financed by their embassies.

What is with this county? Non-English speakers in stores, schools, government are security risk.

They hire their own when FCPS give them free reins to hire...Who oversees this kind of behavior?

Indian, Iranian, Pakistani security guards walking around Macho and talking disrespectful....give me a break. It is a risk to our county because it is no loyalty...just reaping the benefits of the economy....

ggggggggggg Wrote:
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> What is with this county? Non-English speakers in
> stores, schools, government are security risk.
>
> They hire their own when FCPS give them free reins
> to hire...Who oversees this kind of behavior?
>
> Indian, Iranian, Pakistani security guards walking
> around Macho and talking disrespectful....give me
> a break. It is a risk to our county because it is
> no loyalty...just reaping the benefits of the
> economy....


another whining 20 something male afraid to compete!

Kabob Wrote:
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> there are thousands of non-US citizens in the
> United States military(all branches)... these guys
> are greencard-holders...


Bingo. Fairfax hires non-US citizens for the same reason the US hires non-US citizens. There's not enough citizens that will take these shitty jobs.

fairfax county firefighter/emt starting salary $55k working 10 days per month after the academy.....



there are tons of white males that want the job....however as has been told to many white male applicants "if you are not a paramedic you have a long wait ahead of you"

so i strongly disagree with the statement that no one wants these jobs...

tubby Wrote:
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> Kabob Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > there are thousands of non-US citizens in the
> > United States military(all branches)... these
> guys
> > are greencard-holders...
>
>
> Bingo. Fairfax hires non-US citizens for the same
> reason the US hires non-US citizens. There's not
> enough citizens that will take these shitty jobs.


And at the rate our economy turns down...our educational system comes under the influence of the religious right (undermining science)...we will be less and less able to rely on these people. Our reputation in the world community of welcoming immigrants has been hurt by the legal/illegal debate. Its all just a matter of time before the roosters start coming home to roost.

eric56789 Wrote:
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> fairfax county firefighter/emt starting salary
> $55k working 10 days per month after the
> academy.....
>
>
>
> there are tons of white males that want the
> job....however as has been told to many white male
> applicants "if you are not a paramedic you have a
> long wait ahead of you"
>
> so i strongly disagree with the statement that no
> one wants these jobs...


So the Fire Dept is the only job Fairfax County has? I beg to differ,

There are thousands of nasty, dirty, and low paying County jobs. Who do you think unclogs storm sewers, drives those school buses, picks up garbage, scrubs toilets in schools, etc?

tubby,

i agree with you that the county has many low paying and "nasty, dirty" jobs.

the point i am trying to get across is....not one county job should be filled with a non-citizen unless no qualified US citizens apply.

i think this standard is reasonable and in the best interest of the US Citizens who the government is truly responsible to.

so while a non citizen may have a very good chance at getting a low paying, low prestige county job....they would most likely have a very low chance of getting a desireable/high paying county job.

Lets say there is a 50 year old stone mason living in northern VA earning $25 an hour/ $50,000 a year. Not much by NOVA standards, but enough to pay his mortgage, raise his family, etc. This stone mason has lived in the northern VA area all his life and has worked as a stone mason for 30 years.
Then one day people come to this country that are willing to work as a stone mason for $12 an hour. They are also willing to live 12 people per single family home/4 per bedroom. Since there are 4 houses in your neighborhood with this living arrangement, your real estate value has declined.
Now what appears as “There's not enough citizens that will take these shitty jobs”, is really the stone mason selling his home to 12 people who took his work and forced him to move out of the area. Then one day the economy takes a down turn and there are no new homes being built and these 12 people are out of work. Since only one has a green card and the rest are here illegally they leave the area and /or country. Now the mortgage is not being paid and the bank forecloses on the four homes in your neighborhood. And now here we are with our current housing market/economy……………………………..

Timothy McVeigh's act would have been much easier if he had building pre-plans, building access keys, public safety radios, fire dept. uniforms, and piece of reserve fire apparatus!

You people are out of touch with reality.

The only reason those immigrants are taking these shitty fairfax county jobs is because their living conditions are MUCH, MUCH lower than that of someone who was born here.

When was the last time you saw an american living 5 to a basement?

Never? Thats right.

Very few americans can withstand that crap, but these immigrants can, and they are.

Why? Because where they come from - its even worse.

So, thats why they clean the shitty toilers at your local school, cause no american is gonna do it for $6 an hour, and lets face it - no american can live in the county on $6 an hour.

so joe B what is your solution? who can work for the gvt?

i just dont understand your argument.....because last time i checked there have been several terrorists (ie the 9-11 hijackers) who were not citizens.....

i am saying that the government of the US citizens should show all US citizens a clear hiring pref over non citizens..thats all..if only qualified non citizens apply then the job is theirs....thats all im saying...that perhaps we should take care of our own for once....

.....there has yet to be anyone pose any type of legitimate argument in the other direction yet.....anyone? if not they joe b shut your mouth if unless you want to offer a solution.

eric56789 Wrote:
.....there has yet to be anyone pose any type of legitimate argument in the other direction yet.....anyone?


I'm pretty sure the people managing the work have a better idea of the required skills and the labor market they are facing, and should be able to hire whoever they want.

If the govt. wants to "take care of their own", there are better ways of doing that than hiring people who aren't really a good fit for the position being filled, regardless if the candidate is a citizen or not.

People need to compete for jobs and not expect some sort of special hand-out.

BTW, I work near the Fire Training Center on West Ox Rd and I often see the recruits out on their morning run. I've never noticed a lot of foreign looking people in those groups. Just 'Murcan looking white and black guys and a few girls.

But I'll look closer and report back.

tubby Wrote:
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> BTW, I work near the Fire Training Center on West
> Ox Rd and I often see the recruits out on their
> morning run. I've never noticed a lot of foreign
> looking people in those groups. Just 'Murcan
> looking white and black guys and a few girls.
>
> But I'll look closer and report back.

most europeans are white

uchbF Wrote:
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> tubby Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BTW, I work near the Fire Training Center on
> West
> > Ox Rd and I often see the recruits out on their
> > morning run. I've never noticed a lot of
> foreign
> > looking people in those groups. Just 'Murcan
> > looking white and black guys and a few girls.
> >
> > But I'll look closer and report back.
>
> most europeans are white


Yeah, but you know damned well who these people are bitchin about....beaners and towel heads.,,,the ones that LOOK like non-citizens.

eric56789 if one is not a U.S. citizen what interest do they have in protecting the citizens of this country?

My solution is to hire citizens of this country (not just white males) first. People who are citizens of this country deserve the priviledge of getting government jobs over someone who crossed the border yesterday!

Contrary to popular belief, there are people standing in line to be hired by the fire dept. who are passed over (b/c they are white) in order to hire the flavor of the day.

In case you forgot, there was a fire in Lorton, VA not long ago where the flavor of the day did not perform and a lady died. The fire academy is like preschool, no one is ever weeded out!

joeB, i totally agree with you.....

THE REAL ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WHICH WAS WHY DOES FAIRFAX COUNTY VA. HIRE SO MANY ILLEGALS IS BECAUSE THERE IS A WELL KNOWN ANARCHIST GROUP OF PEOPLE WORKING IN THE CORRUPT FAIRFAX COUNTY VA. GOVT. INCLUDING ALCOHOLIC CORRUPT VA. COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY ROBERT HORAN AND IAN RODWAY. THESE CORRUPT ANARCHIST GROUP OF PEOPLE IN THE FAIRFAX COUNTY VA. GOVT. ARE BREAKING LAWS WITH THE HELP OF EQUALLY CORRUPT JUDGES WHO LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH ACCORDING TO THEIR NUTJOB POLITICAL VIEWS INSTEAD OF RULING ACCORDING TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS SET FORTH ACCORDINGLY. DEMOCRACY CAN NOT SURVIVE AS LONG ANARCHIST POLICE AND OTHER CORRUPT ANARCHIST GOVT. PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO RUN RAMPANT DEVOID OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW THIS COUNTRY IS DOOMED UNLESS CITIZENS TAKE SERIUOSLY THE REAL THREAT TO THEIR EVERY DAY FREEDOMS AND DEMOCRACY AND UNITE TO EXPOSE AND FIGHT CORRUPTION AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVT. THE SURVIVAL OR OUR DEMOCRACY GREATLY DEPENDS ON THIS. RUSSIA, CHINA AND EVEN THE MID EAST ARE NOT THE GREATEST THREAT TO OUR COUNTRY BUT RATHER THE CORRUPT PEOPLE WITHIN OUR SOCIETY AND GOVT. WHO BASTARDIZE THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND OPENLY PROMOTE MOB RULE AND THEIR OWN ANARCHIST AGENDA.

JoeB. Wrote:
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> Timothy McVeigh's act would have been much easier
> if he had building pre-plans, building access
> keys, public safety radios, fire dept. uniforms,
> and piece of reserve fire apparatus

Ah! like the poster boy for the fifth column in public safety, former FCPD Sgt. Mohammad W. Rasool. Nothing like going for a HadJh three years in a row...

As a Fairfax County employee, I fulfil my Departments mission of diversity by representing the .2% of the County's 'Red' population. As a reminder for all those whining european americans out there who complain on behalf of other whites who are too illiterate to formally whine for themselves, you are just as illegal as all the FOB's and Fence Jumpers. You conquer and spread disease, set up your free market economy and call yourself the land of the free and home of the brave and entice the world with the slogan "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these — the homeless, tempest-tossed — to me; I lift my lamp beside the Golden Door." Those immigrants that strike success you call opportunists because they are better at the game of capitalism than you are. And now you whine about these colorful immigrants "stealing" american jobs. Man up and use your university degree to be the boss of those "non-citizens" if you are truly determined to get a job...unless you squandered daddy's money and partied/drank your way out of college. It sounds like most of you all are jobless currently so you should not be wasting your time on a message board anyway. Now, gather ye scrotums and work your way up the food chain like every other hard working immigrant because you are one too, Euromerican.

Some of you idiots make sound like the government owes something. I got news for you fools.They don`t owe you shit.Even if they do ,they don`t give a shit ,so get over it cause you ain`t that special

Redman Wrote:
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> As a Fairfax County employee, I fulfil my
> Departments mission of diversity by representing
> the .2% of the County's 'Red' population. As a
> reminder for all those whining european americans
> out there who complain on behalf of other whites
> who are too illiterate to formally whine for
> themselves, you are just as illegal as all the
> FOB's and Fence Jumpers. You conquer and spread
> disease, set up your free market economy and call
> yourself the land of the free and home of the
> brave and entice the world with the slogan "Give
> me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses
> yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of
> your teeming shore. Send these — the homeless,
> tempest-tossed — to me; I lift my lamp beside the
> Golden Door." Those immigrants that strike success
> you call opportunists because they are better at
> the game of capitalism than you are. And now you
> whine about these colorful immigrants "stealing"
> american jobs. Man up and use your university
> degree to be the boss of those "non-citizens" if
> you are truly determined to get a job...unless you
> squandered daddy's money and partied/drank your
> way out of college. It sounds like most of you
> all are jobless currently so you should not be
> wasting your time on a message board anyway. Now,
> gather ye scrotums and work your way up the food
> chain like every other hard working immigrant
> because you are one too, Euromerican.

Stop whining and get off your fat ass for once and get to work. Lazy
apologist. I know what happened in the FFx County Govt. Too many
ragheads in HR hiring their buddies.

Wow...

Fairfax County is 72 % white ( http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/51/51059.html ), I'll bet that is not reflected in their hiring practices!

Diversity is fine as long as they are U.S. Citizens and the most qualified applicant for the job.
With the exception of the American Indians, we are all immigrants. The American Indians learned the hard way what happens when you do not control immigration!
This country has an obligation to take care of its citizens first. We send aid at the drop of a hat to foreign countries during disasters, yet many folks in and around New Orleans still do not have their homes/lives repaired.

Boys! Boys! Let's not pick on the Fire Department. We all know how stressful their work is sitting around waiting for a call. They need to hire qualified people to do that.
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