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isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: pighater ()
Date: August 26, 2008 07:06PM

hey ummmm what a waste of time...there are drug dealers and spics they have to arrest...

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: August 26, 2008 07:15PM

is that Rt 50 inside the beltway? Damn, 2 mins from my house.

I would agree, but in the future refrain drom phrases like "there are drug dealers and spics they have to arrest... " you lose credibility.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: August 26, 2008 07:56PM

I dunno. I feel better knowing the drunk drivers have to watch their backs.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Colin ()
Date: August 26, 2008 08:21PM

Radiophile Wrote:
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> is that Rt 50 inside the beltway? Damn, 2 mins
> from my house.
>

That's Old Keene Mill at Springfield Plaza.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: August 26, 2008 08:40PM

How about Ole Keene Mill and Bland St in Springfield right off 95 South. That's why the State Troopers(Hats) were there. The picture was taken from the overpass.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Colin ()
Date: August 26, 2008 08:46PM

Strategically placed right off the highway and before Malek's.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Jeezus ()
Date: August 26, 2008 09:31PM

I count 16 innocent motorists.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: vapreneur ()
Date: August 26, 2008 10:02PM

i drink and drive all the time. its not a big deal. this is the only country in the world that makes such a big deal out of it.

the funny part is, one of my good friends is a cop out in california and he always tells me stories about how him and his cop friends (state troopers) get drunk and blow into the breathalyzers to see how wasted they are.

this is the hypocrisy, especially down here in fairfax county. these pigs have too much money and too much time.

i agree with the host. they should be going after drug dealers and REAL CRIMINALS, not people who have a few drinks and wanna get on with their lives.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: j ()
Date: August 26, 2008 10:09PM

vapreneur Wrote:
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> i drink and drive all the time. its not a big
> deal. this is the only country in the world that
> makes such a big deal out of it.


you idiot. sure its not a big deal until someone pulls a boner move in front of you and someone gets hurt or killed because your reaction time is at the bottom of a 12 pack of bud light. sure its not a big deal because you happen to have not been caught before. it WILL happen eventually. in the meantime, thanks a lot asshole for endangering everyone else on the road because you are too cheap and careless to call a cab or stay off the road.

the penalties are often more strict in other western nations. of course i don't imagine you have ever left the county so how would you know?

aside from the disgusting slur by the OP, i pretty much agree. DUI checkpoints are barely constitutional, a COLOSSAL waste of money, and DO NOT net more offenders than an evening of normal traffic patrol.

these are your employees staying at the office late and surfing porn so they can bill you for overtime. total bullshit.



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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: faggot ()
Date: August 26, 2008 10:11PM

the pic despite its purpose is infuriating.

Seriously. Fairfax pigs are fucking pussies. One of the easiest jobs in the nation.

What a bunch of tax wasting purposeless faggots

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: idiot hater ()
Date: August 26, 2008 10:11PM

God how I love the "real criminal" crowd. A more ignorant bunch would be harder to find. It's as if drunk driving isn't a real, tangible danger in this nation to them. How many times do we have to read of people's lives changed forever by drunk drivers before some of you recognize this is a very real problem? One need only to look at the Eaton thread to see some handiwork from a suspected drunk driver, and a probable repeat offender as well.

DRUNK DRIVERS ARE REAL CRIMINALS!

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: j ()
Date: August 26, 2008 10:19PM

by the way, whats the deal with them using private property as a staging area?

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: ORCGUY ()
Date: August 26, 2008 10:19PM

OP really shows true ignorance with his comments.

"Four people have lost their lives in alcohol-related crashes so far this year, compared to 13 for the same period in Fairfax County. As of August 20, officers have arrested 1,975 people for driving while intoxicated. This compares to 1,578 for the same period in 2007. "

I'm sure the asshole who crashed into my car last week at 0430 in the morning because he was drunk, would have rather been stopped at this checkpoint, rather than putting his pregnant girlfriends face through the windshield!

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Michael Kennedy ()
Date: August 26, 2008 10:27PM

Hey, I'm back! So, there's more pigs to be slaughtered, well I ain't doin shit until they make May 8 , Michael Kennedy Day. After all, I did give my life to try and rid you folks of some county swine and what did I get in return? Goddamn thankless bastards, go kill your own pigs!

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 26, 2008 10:29PM

idiot hater Wrote:
>> A more ignorant bunch would be harder to find.


We don't live in a police-state, plain and simple.

Probable cause is clearly defined in the Constitution.

If you really need these traffic stops to feel safe, you should be ashamed of yourself. That is a very ignorant point of view.

We don't live in a police state. People should be allowed to drive wherever they want without fear of random government searches.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: August 26, 2008 11:30PM

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Trollhunter ()
Date: August 27, 2008 12:10AM

Shut up reston, you're drunk again.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: August 27, 2008 12:16AM

Alias Wrote:
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> I'm with TheMeeper on this one.
>
> I think the whole cop thing is totally stupid.
> I mean, if someone fucked with me, I’d just blow
> his fucking head off, so why do I need a cop.
>
> And if I want to drive fucking drunk out of my
> fucking mind, it’s only my mind I’m fucking with.
> Right?
>
> So, stop trying to protect me from myself! It's
> just like those stupid seat belt laws.


I totally agree Alias - do not wear seat belts. Nor should you wear a helmet on a motorcycle. I think you should own as many guns as you want without taking any type of safety course. Look straight down the barrel when you clean it!


For that matter, also try Bungee jumping or skydiving. Save a couple of bucks - buy the cheapest equipment you can find.

Also, take one of those courier jobs that have you fly to Singapore to pick up a suitcase and bring it back to the US.

I hope you have a good life.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: August 27, 2008 12:42AM

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: M.A.S.D. ()
Date: August 27, 2008 01:01AM

66% of all fatalities are caused by sober drivers! That's outrageous!

What are we doing to get these f'n sober drivers off the road? Nothing!

If we don't start getting these sober drivers off the road they will kill more people, it could be your son, your daughter that is killed by them next!

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: August 27, 2008 06:51AM

vapreneur Wrote:
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> i drink and drive all the time. its not a big
deal

Yeah, man! What's the big deal ?!?!?!........oh
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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: August 27, 2008 07:49AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Radiophile:
> “I totally agree Alias....”
> ____________
>
> I knew you’d come around to seeing things my way.
> So, I guess we’re friends, now.
>
> Lunch, tomorrow?


Sure, which one of you?

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: vapreneur ()
Date: August 27, 2008 04:09PM

<<<<>>>>>>>

1st off i dont drink beer, well i prefer liquor over beer. beer makes me piss n burp a lot. i especially dont drink beer when i plan on driving home after, because you can smell that shit a mile away.

2ndly, you should ask around, i was given the name, PDD, professional drunk driver. i get EVERYONE home, safe and sound, i am the DD all the time.

3rdly, i was born in europe and have lived in over 5 different countries and 5 different states in america, and FAIRFAX COUNTY COPS ARE THE WORST PIGS in the country. they are given too much time and too much money. they are uneducated pricks paid by the county, on MY TAX DOLLARS.

4th, let me give you my paypal account, you can send me $ there, because friday and saturday night im going to get FUCKED UP in DC, AND DRIVE BACK TO VIRGINIA (safe and sound), AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO SHIT ABOUT IT DOUCHEBAG nor is anyone else, because im a good driver, regardless of what you, MADD and whoever else spreads propaganda about how drinking and driving is such a horrific crime.

just because YOU're a degenerate drunk who cant drive after you have a few drinks, doesnt mean the rest of us are weak like you.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: August 27, 2008 04:14PM

Its been confirmed. VAPRENEUR is the biggest douchebag on FFXU.
EJ, you've dropped to 2nd.



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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: vapreneur ()
Date: August 27, 2008 07:16PM

its been confirmed, 496 and J are pussies with a low tolerance for consumption of alcohol!

will the real men with balls in ffxc, please stand up, please stand up...

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: August 27, 2008 07:43PM

496 Wrote:
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> Its been confirmed. VAPRENEUR is the bigest
> douchebag on FFXU.


+10

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 27, 2008 07:50PM

vapreneur Wrote:
>>> will the real men with balls in ffxc, please stand up, please stand up...


What kind of a "real man" quotes Eminem lyrics??

You sound like a complete loser.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: DirtDigler ()
Date: August 27, 2008 09:21PM

That stop wouldnt affect me. I'm leaving Hard Times drunk coming the other way.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Otis Campbell ()
Date: August 27, 2008 09:55PM

I give up. You are all drunker than I am. Get a bicycle.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: vapreneur ()
Date: August 27, 2008 10:10PM

lol ive been through these checkpoints before, coincidentally enough, these cops are so fucking stupid, they do these checkpoints between like 9 pm - 1 am

so everytime i go through these, im sober as can be, and i feel like telling the cop, "im actually GOING TO GET DRUNK" LOL

if these pigs were smart they would have check points AFTER BARS/PUBS close, but i guess they wanna get off of duty too so they can go drink with their non cop buddies

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Libertarian1 ()
Date: August 27, 2008 10:36PM

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." B.F.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: paulp5768 ()
Date: August 27, 2008 11:28PM

i love it when the uneducated use the quotes of great men to express their own ideas, libertarian1

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: j ()
Date: August 28, 2008 04:50AM

balls and tolerance have nothing to do with liability. if something happens to go down, no one is going to give you a skill test to see how well you can drive with a 0.8 or higher. if nothing else, driving while over the limit puts you at risk for serious problems that might occur no matter how much of a manly eminem fan you are. you sir, are a total moron. thanks for playing.

vapreneur Wrote:
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> its been confirmed, 496 and J are pussies with a
> low tolerance for consumption of alcohol!
>
> will the real men with balls in ffxc, please stand
> up, please stand up...

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: August 28, 2008 08:44AM

OMG! I am such a pussy. I Can't drink like a pig and then drive! Woah is me! Woah is me!
I stand by my VAPRENEUR is the biggest douchebag on FFXU statement.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Jester ()
Date: August 28, 2008 09:31AM

Get as drunk as you want. Just take a $10-20 taxi home or have a sober friend drive you home. Sorry if that pisses off MADD who are more hell bent on revenge than solving the problem.

One of the bars I go to some regulars don't drink so they give drunk people rides home. In return we buy them dinners etc. Works out good for all.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: myspaceaddict ()
Date: August 28, 2008 05:33PM

You are right... they should be out driving around searching for suspicious people who might want to rob a 7-11... I'm sure you consider "real crime" to include robberies, shootings and stabbings. How many of your friends have died or been seriously injured due to one of those crimes?

Now think about how many people you know that have been affected by some asshole drunk driver.

Pighater- you seem like quite the douche bag but an okay photographer. Maybe your efforts to whine about the police could be better applied to other aspects of your life.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: August 28, 2008 06:08PM

Don't give him photography credit, it was a photo from a press release. So he is 100% douche bag with no redeeming qualities.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: August 28, 2008 07:53PM

I'm going to have to contest vapreneur's assertion that no one outside the US cares about drunk driving.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving#European_Union

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: . ()
Date: August 28, 2008 08:23PM

formerhick76 Wrote:
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> I'm going to have to contest vapreneur's assertion
> that no one outside the US cares about drunk
> driving.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving#Europea
> n_Union



Wow, many of our finest drunks on FFU would absolutely HATE Europe I can see. They must not have any "real crime" over there either since they have BAC levels that are far more stricter than here.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: VUwildcats28 ()
Date: September 02, 2008 12:48AM

"2ndly, you should ask around, i was given the
> name, PDD, professional drunk driver. i get
> EVERYONE home, safe and sound, i am the DD all the
> time."

Professional Drunk Driver... that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. How much do you think a DUI checkpoint actually costs? I would much rather have a little bit of my tax money go to a checkpoint than have my wife's head go through the windshield because of this "professional drunk driver" idiot.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: VUwildcats28 ()
Date: September 02, 2008 12:49AM

Also, DUI is a felony charger.... what do you consider "real crime?"

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: VUwildcats28 ()
Date: September 02, 2008 12:50AM

Also, DUI is a felony charge.... what do you consider "real crime?"

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: VUwildcats28 ()
Date: September 02, 2008 12:50AM

Also, DUI is a felony charge... what do you consider "real crime?"

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Otis Campbell ()
Date: September 02, 2008 01:00AM

Get a bicycle.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: j ()
Date: September 02, 2008 02:54AM

there is no evidence that the very real crime of driving while intoxicated is affected one way or another by DUI checkpoints and they are actually fairly expensive when you look at how many DUI's they net against the man hours vs. normal patrol. the argument is that they deter people from driving drunk in the first place.

DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional and have been banned in many states. i would prefer it if my state government would refrain from intruding upon my right to privacy by not stopping citizens without probable cause.



VUwildcats28 Wrote:
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How much do you
> think a DUI checkpoint actually costs? I would
> much rather have a little bit of my tax money go
> to a checkpoint than have my wife's head go
> through the windshield because of this
> "professional drunk driver" idiot.



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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Jester ()
Date: September 02, 2008 09:05AM

The problem with checkpoints is they are stationary and people in that area just pickup their cell phones and tell friends where the checkpoints are.

The only drunk drivers these checkpoints are going to catch are Mom and Pops or some M.A.D.D. person who had an extra drink or two.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Slacker ()
Date: September 02, 2008 08:19PM

The US Supreme Court declared DUI checkpoints constitutional. Doesn't matter if you like it or not. Want it changed? Vote. But stop complaining about them.

FX uses DUI checkpoints for exactly this: deterance. If you get caught driving drunk you tell maybe 1 or 2 people. None of you went through this checkpoint but ALL of you are talking about it here and certainly other places as well. Even if they arrest no one for DUI they accomplish their goal: getting the public to understand FX is tough on drunk drivers.

As for your tax dollars, those checkpoints are set up and torn down by volunteers. Cost to the taxpayers? $0. The checkpoints are manned with paid officers from start to finish, but they would just be out on patrol anyway. Cost savings? 4 hours of gas times 10 vehicles.

Those of you who choose to drink and drive, thinking there is nothing wrong with it are wrong. I have a photo of a three year old little girl killed 4 years ago by a drunk driver who blew a .06. Think your drinking and driving doesn't affect others? Tell that to the dead little girl. Try thinking about others in society and not just yourself.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: j ()
Date: September 02, 2008 08:47PM

oh, fuck off with your anecdotes about little kids getting killed by people who aren't even drunk. its completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

as far as the costs, they do not pull officers from normal patrol to man DUI checkpoints. these officers are racking up overtime and slacking off from respectable police work that results in even more citations/arrests than standing around under the klieg lights with a free pass to interrogate anyone they please without the hindrance of probable cause. the tickets issued/arrests made at DUI checkpoints cost SIGNIFICANTLY MORE to the taxpayer than under normal conditions.

the sad fact is, DUI CHECKPOINT is a misnomer. they are checking for everything.

i prefer to vote AND complain, thank you very much.

Slacker Wrote:
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> The US Supreme Court declared DUI checkpoints
> constitutional. Doesn't matter if you like it or
> not. Want it changed? Vote. But stop complaining
> about them.
>
> FX uses DUI checkpoints for exactly this:
> deterance. If you get caught driving drunk you
> tell maybe 1 or 2 people. None of you went through
> this checkpoint but ALL of you are talking about
> it here and certainly other places as well. Even
> if they arrest no one for DUI they accomplish
> their goal: getting the public to understand FX is
> tough on drunk drivers.
>
> As for your tax dollars, those checkpoints are set
> up and torn down by volunteers. Cost to the
> taxpayers? $0. The checkpoints are manned with
> paid officers from start to finish, but they would
> just be out on patrol anyway. Cost savings? 4
> hours of gas times 10 vehicles.
>
> Those of you who choose to drink and drive,
> thinking there is nothing wrong with it are wrong.
> I have a photo of a three year old little girl
> killed 4 years ago by a drunk driver who blew a
> .06. Think your drinking and driving doesn't
> affect others? Tell that to the dead little girl.
> Try thinking about others in society and not just
> yourself.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Slacker ()
Date: September 02, 2008 09:03PM

When it's your child I doubt you will say the same thing. Any idea how long it takes an officer to get someone to a certified breathalyzer operator? If they are lucky 1-2 hours. Someone who would blow a .10 at a checkpoint may not even blow a .08 with the certified operator and get off with nothing. But I see the facts are lost on you.

You obviously also know nothing about FX police. They all MUST work a certain amount of overtime. The national average for police is about 2.5 police per 1,000 citizens. FX has less than half that, right at 1 per 1,000. FX uses overtime to try and bridge the gap between what they have and what they need. They would be working anyway. Your childish cursing and insulting don't alter the facts.

As I said, the goal is deterance. Police can usually net 1 drunk per shift because of the time involved. Maybe 3 people find out about it. In the end, it is a drop in the bucket in terms of visibility. But a DUI checkpoint is seen by several thousand cars. Some tell friends or coworkers. Narrow minded individuals like yourself come here and complain, basically saying your right to drink and drive is far more important than the right of others to live. We all bow down to your magnificance.



j Wrote:
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> oh, fuck off with your anecdotes about little kids
> getting killed by people who aren't even drunk.
> its completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
>
> as far as the costs, they do not pull officers
> from normal patrol to man DUI checkpoints. these
> officers are racking up overtime and slacking off
> from respectable police work that results in even
> more citations/arrests than standing around under
> the klieg lights with a free pass to interrogate
> anyone they please without the hindrance of
> probable cause. the tickets issued/arrests made
> at DUI checkpoints cost SIGNIFICANTLY MORE to the
> taxpayer than under normal conditions.
>
> the sad fact is, DUI CHECKPOINT is a misnomer.
> they are checking for everything.
>
> i prefer to vote AND complain, thank you very
> much.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: September 02, 2008 09:33PM

Slacker Wrote:
>>> As I said, the goal is deterance

So that gives them the right to detain and search citizens without probable cause?

I got stopped once in a checkpoint; I was stopped for no reason and had to answer questions that I should not be required to answer. And I'd probably be in trouble if I didn't answer them. Although they didn't have any real cause to stop me, I was allowed to proceed thru.

It's fucking embarrassing. We don't live in some fucked up third world country, this shit has got to stop.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: j ()
Date: September 02, 2008 10:37PM

your emotions are making you compliant in forfeiting your constitutional right to privacy. this is how we end up with shit like the patriot act. way to go.

i am just as much against drinking and driving as anyone else. what i have a problem with is an understaffed police force standing around interrogating citizens en masse without probable cause.

i get it. drinking and driving is bad. unlike you, i don't want my local government to ignore the 4th amendment just to make a point.


Slacker Wrote:
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> When it's your child I doubt you will say the same
> thing. Any idea how long it takes an officer to
> get someone to a certified breathalyzer operator?
> If they are lucky 1-2 hours. Someone who would
> blow a .10 at a checkpoint may not even blow a .08
> with the certified operator and get off with
> nothing. But I see the facts are lost on you.
>
> You obviously also know nothing about FX police.
> They all MUST work a certain amount of overtime.
> The national average for police is about 2.5
> police per 1,000 citizens. FX has less than half
> that, right at 1 per 1,000. FX uses overtime to
> try and bridge the gap between what they have and
> what they need. They would be working anyway. Your
> childish cursing and insulting don't alter the
> facts.
>
> As I said, the goal is deterance. Police can
> usually net 1 drunk per shift because of the time
> involved. Maybe 3 people find out about it. In the
> end, it is a drop in the bucket in terms of
> visibility. But a DUI checkpoint is seen by
> several thousand cars. Some tell friends or
> coworkers. Narrow minded individuals like yourself
> come here and complain, basically saying your
> right to drink and drive is far more important
> than the right of others to live. We all bow down
> to your magnificance.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: September 03, 2008 01:55AM

The checkpoints are not about drunk drivers. They are about nailing people for minutiae and then claiming "success" by nailing 1 or 2 drivers for DD. the same as the sticker checks and all that crap. Plus, if those officers have to work the overtime no matter what, then I still want them working it on patrol. Plain and simple, these guys cannot fight crimes in the neighborhoods if they are busy questioning people over nothing out at rt 50 or wherever.

Hey, slacker, I am calling you out. Post the pic of the dead kid or become comfortable with the fact you have zero credibility until you do. I think you made a bullshit claim just to back your argument.



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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: watcher ()
Date: September 03, 2008 06:37AM

j Wrote:
> as far as the costs, they do not pull officers
> from normal patrol to man DUI checkpoints. these
> officers are racking up overtime and slacking off
> from respectable police work that results in even
> more citations/arrests than standing around under
> the klieg lights with a free pass to interrogate
> anyone they please without the hindrance of
> probable cause. the tickets issued/arrests made
> at DUI checkpoints cost SIGNIFICANTLY MORE to the
> taxpayer than under normal conditions.

Wrong. Contact your local station and ask before you spout off about something you know absolutely nothing about.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Slacker ()
Date: September 03, 2008 07:02AM

No, the US Supreme Court gives them the "right" to run DUI checkpoints. As I said before, if you don't like them, vote.


TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Slacker Wrote:
> >>> As I said, the goal is deterance
>
> So that gives them the right to detain and search
> citizens without probable cause?
>

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Slacker ()
Date: September 03, 2008 07:14AM

< sarcasm >

That's exactly what I am looking for here from you: credibility. And to get it I will shamelessly post the photo of a dead three year old.

< /sarcasm>

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> Hey, slacker, I am calling you out. Post the pic
> of the dead kid or become comfortable with the
> fact you have zero credibility until you do. I
> think you made a bullshit claim just to back your
> argument.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: September 03, 2008 09:26AM

so, it is just a bullshit statement and you are not in possession of such a photo. As any logical person would conclude.... stating that you have this proof or that proof, and then refusing to show, is the most common tactic of individuals who troll in these kinds of threads.

And I would say that if you don't think your posts are a serious attempt at trying to show your credibility, you're more drunk than the drivers you are complaining about.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: September 03, 2008 09:36AM

Slacker,
   let's be serious for a moment. the cops nab a lot of drunks every year and about 10 of them are from checkpoints. these are PR gigs that are more like yelling "LOOK WHAT WE DID!" then actually fighting crime. dont believe me? did you know they announce that they are having them a day or more before they occur and then announce the results if they find anything? oh, they also hand out "informational sheets" (fliers) about their "effort" when they process you at the checkpoint. if you want to stop drunk drivers, this is not the way to do it effectively.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Slacker ()
Date: September 03, 2008 09:49AM

Actually I am in favor of supporting the ENTIRE constitution and all of the amendments. I served in the military under an oath that I would support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. All I am saying is that it isn't up to us except that we have a vote. The local government is only doing what they have been told is legal. The US Supreme Court said checkpoints are legal, not me. I am all for less government, not more. Please don't think that because I state fact I support it or the legislation/case law behind it.

If you want to see change, you have to make change. Or you can be like Barack Obama and just talk about it...


j Wrote:
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> i get it. drinking and driving is bad. unlike
> you, i don't want my local government to ignore
> the 4th amendment just to make a point.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Slacker ()
Date: September 03, 2008 09:54AM

Maybe my previous posts weren't clear but you just made my point. It is about VISIBILITY. They tell people about them, hand out flyers, post in the paper, etc, etc, etc. EXACTLY. They do it because they want people to SEE them. The hope is that a visible checkpoint will cause a lot of people to talk about how Fairfax is tough on DUI and make people think twice about driving while intoxicated. If they catch a drunk or two, thats just a bonus.

Maybe its a PR stunt, maybe not. But I am pretty certain the goal is not to arrest drunks, just to be seen by citizens.


Gravis Wrote:
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> Slacker,
>    let's be serious for a moment.
> the cops nab a lot of drunks every year and about
> 10 of them are from checkpoints. these are PR
> gigs that are more like yelling "LOOK WHAT WE
> DID!" then actually fighting crime. dont believe
> me? did you know they announce that they are
> having them a day or more before they occur and
> then announce the results if they find anything?
> oh, they also hand out "informational sheets"
> (fliers) about their "effort" when they process
> you at the checkpoint. if you want to stop drunk
> drivers, this is not the way to do it effectively.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: September 03, 2008 10:01AM

Slacker Wrote:
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> The hope is that a
> visible checkpoint will cause a lot of people to
> talk about how Fairfax is tough on DUI and make
> people think twice about driving while
> intoxicated. If they catch a drunk or two, thats
> just a bonus.
>
> Maybe its a PR stunt, maybe not. But I am pretty
> certain the goal is not to arrest drunks, just to
> be seen by citizens.


my rights are more important than PR gigs.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Slacker ()
Date: September 03, 2008 10:05AM

You caught me. I have no photo to show you. Can we move on now?

My posts are my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. When I know something to be fact, I state so. Troll? Have you looked at your posts? This is a semi-adult conversation about DUI checkpoints and drunk drivers which I think am adding value to. All you are doing is pointing fingers and cursing.


RESton Peace Wrote:
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> so, it is just a bullshit statement and you are
> not in possession of such a photo. As any logical
> person would conclude.... stating that you have
> this proof or that proof, and then refusing to
> show, is the most common tactic of individuals who
> troll in these kinds of threads.
>
> And I would say that if you don't think your posts
> are a serious attempt at trying to show your
> credibility, you're more drunk than the drivers
> you are complaining about.
-------------------------------------------------------



I do not disagree. But the solution lies somewhere other than here...

Gravis Wrote:
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> my rights are more important than PR gigs.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: September 03, 2008 10:11AM

"I totally lied to make my point and just admitted it, can we move on so nobody will notice I have zero argumentative ability?"

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Slacker ()
Date: September 03, 2008 10:19AM

Seriously, give it a rest. You can badger me all day and I am not posting the photo. Got something adult to add, please do so.

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> "I totally lied to make my point and just admitted
> it, can we move on so nobody will notice I have
> zero argumentative ability?"

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: September 03, 2008 10:34AM

Slacker Wrote:
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> Seriously, give it a rest. You can badger me all
> day and I am not posting the photo. Got something
> adult to add, please do so.
>
> RESton Peace Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "I totally lied to make my point and just
> admitted
> > it, can we move on so nobody will notice I have
> > zero argumentative ability?"
Attachments:
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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Slacker ()
Date: September 03, 2008 02:04PM

I guess this is another example of how a drunk drivers aren't a big deal...

"Drunk Driving Suspect With 4 DWIs Kills Texas Newlyweds" happened yesterday (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,415363,00.html).

Ran from police, ran a light, jumped a curb and landed on an SUV. Two innocent people killed, but both the drunk driver and his drunk passenger survived. The driver was arrested for the 5th time. I bet the families of the newlyweds think its a big deal.

vapreneur Wrote:
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> i drink and drive all the time. its not a big
> deal. this is the only country in the world that
> makes such a big deal out of it.
>

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Otis ()
Date: September 03, 2008 02:22PM

Slacker Wrote:
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> I guess this is another example of how a drunk
> drivers aren't a big deal...
>
> "Drunk Driving Suspect With 4 DWIs Kills Texas
> Newlyweds" happened yesterday
> (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,415363,00.htm
> l).
>
> Ran from police, ran a light, jumped a curb and
> landed on an SUV. Two innocent people killed, but
> both the drunk driver and his drunk passenger
> survived. The driver was arrested for the 5th
> time. I bet the families of the newlyweds think
> its a big deal.

Well Duh, if your going to drive like a moron when your drunk

- Sounds to me like this fugitive is probably an ass with or without alcohol.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: September 03, 2008 03:22PM

Otis! My man!

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: FIREMAN ()
Date: September 11, 2008 02:21PM

THIS IS WHY JACKASS

Alcohol played a role in nearly 40% of U.S. automobile fatalities in 2005. That's 16,885 deaths, a figure nearly unchanged over the past decade, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

AND THE OTHER 60% ARE CAUSE BY JACKASSES LIKE YOU, WHOM SPEND THEIR WHOLE LIFE COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERYTHING.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T DRINK, THIS IS FOR EVERYBODY'S SAFETY.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Facter ()
Date: September 11, 2008 02:29PM

FIREMAN Wrote:
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> THIS IS WHY JACKASS
>
> Alcohol played a role in nearly 40% of U.S.
> automobile fatalities in 2005. That's 16,885
> deaths, a figure nearly unchanged over the past
> decade, according to the National Highway Traffic
> Safety Administration.

That doesn't mean the person causing the accident was the one who consumed alcohol. That statistic includes drunk pedestrians, drunk cyclists, and even so-called innocent drunks who, while impaired, were not the cause of the accident.

> AND THE OTHER 60% ARE CAUSE BY JACKASSES LIKE YOU,
> WHOM SPEND THEIR WHOLE LIFE COMPLAINING ABOUT
> EVERYTHING.

Never had an accident? Can you assure the public you never will?

> IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T DRINK, THIS IS FOR
> EVERYBODY'S SAFETY.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: FIREMAN ()
Date: September 11, 2008 02:29PM

there is no overtime involve, so you have no clue of what you are talking about, and some of those officers are volunteer Auxiliary Police Office and they don't cost a penny to the County, which mean they are saving you money, like volunteer firefighter.
Thank You

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: FIREMAN ()
Date: September 11, 2008 02:32PM

so far no, i might one day, but i can guarantee you it's not going to be because I'm drunk.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: FIREMAN ()
Date: September 11, 2008 02:37PM

Go back to Europe if you don't like it over here, we don't want/like drunk driver here.

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Re: isnt there real crime that needs to be stopped?
Posted by: Kliggy ()
Date: September 11, 2008 02:44PM

Sober drivers are more dangerous than drunk drivers.

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