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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 08, 2009 08:24PM

Chica Wrote:
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> I got a postcard today saying they are taking
> reservations starting today, even though the
> official opening isn't until July 13. So if you
> are really interested in getting in, call and get
> in before the crowd on the 13th. oh...and be sure
> to post a review!
>
> I will give them a few weeks to work out the
> problems. They have done a really nice job
> landscaping. It really needed that.



I'm going to come on here and say their food tastes like shit even though I haven't eaten there. Why? Because that's how I roll!

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Rich ()
Date: July 08, 2009 09:30PM

Can these fuckers open one up for me in great falls on Friday night? im having a party and im fucked if im driving to that shithole, love to spend shit loads of cash on food though, and wine - the other day I bought a 82 Chataux Haut Brion for $900, and then puked it up all over the fucking waiter!!!

ha ha i love being rich

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: July 09, 2009 05:32AM

WashingToneLocian(2) Wrote:
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> Chica Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I got a postcard today saying they are taking
> > reservations starting today, even though the
> > official opening isn't until July 13. So if
> you
> > are really interested in getting in, call and
> get
> > in before the crowd on the 13th. oh...and be
> sure
> > to post a review!
> >
> > I will give them a few weeks to work out the
> > problems. They have done a really nice job
> > landscaping. It really needed that.
>
>
>
> I'm going to come on here and say their food
> tastes like shit even though I haven't eaten
> there. Why? Because that's how I roll!
lol +1

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: brunswick ()
Date: July 09, 2009 03:47PM

was a hermitage regular. took my wife to trummers for her birthday. greatly disappointed after all of the hype. $150 for two without alcohol. portions were small enough for all to be considered small plates. kitchen/mgmt needs to remember that they are NOT in new york, napa or orlando. guess we are not the target demographic or do not have the appropriate culinary flexibility (see chef's quote earlier). also, could not distinguish any particularly "local" entries. maybe the chef has been too busy with the opening to seek out eastern market or any of the local farms/farmers markets. i wish trummers success but i am sticking with restaurant eve for now.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: July 09, 2009 03:49PM

if that stuff is true, they're dead.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Your mom ()
Date: July 09, 2009 04:44PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> if that stuff is true, they're dead.


Frank says that you need to shut your fucking mouth.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 09, 2009 06:49PM

Um, going before their official and then complaining about it isn't cool. The reason for a "soft opening" is to get the kinks worked out. If you had high expectations you should have saved it for another time. I'm going to head down there in a few minutes to have a drink and check it out. Will report back later tonight or in the morning. Also, I don't quite understand this attitude about how Clifton isn't worthy of a high quality, high priced place. Napa didn't start out as Napa. Fairfax County has some of the highest incomes in the country so I don't see any reason why they can't succeed. If portion size is what you are after I would recommend checking out the Cheesecake Factory or something along those lines. You won't be disappointed.


brunswick Wrote:
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> was a hermitage regular. took my wife to trummers
> for her birthday. greatly disappointed after all
> of the hype. $150 for two without alcohol.
> portions were small enough for all to be
> considered small plates. kitchen/mgmt needs to
> remember that they are NOT in new york, napa or
> orlando. guess we are not the target demographic
> or do not have the appropriate culinary
> flexibility (see chef's quote earlier). also,
> could not distinguish any particularly "local"
> entries. maybe the chef has been too busy with
> the opening to seek out eastern market or any of
> the local farms/farmers markets. i wish trummers
> success but i am sticking with restaurant eve for
> now.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 09, 2009 10:29PM

Okay, first impressions: they did a beautiful job renovating the place. The first floor is a bar area with casual seating around the sides and a private dining table near the rear. The second floor addition is the main dining area with an area off to the side with more seating. The third floor is the art gallery with more seating. It really is a beautiful space.

I had a martini at the bar and a glass of wine. I skipped the food since I'm planning to have dinner there next week. The martini was well made and reasonably priced--$9. Nice glassware too. I wasn't terribly impressed with the wine service. The glass wasn't right for the varietal, the wine was a little too cool, and the price for the portion size was a little high. The service needs a little work still. The bartenders were a little slow and not really on their game. I assume that will improve. I ran into a few people I knew and got good reports about the food. I did sample the bread, which is baked on premises, and it was excellent. I also tried a few bites of the ribeye and found that very nice too. I'll write more thoughts after my dinner next week.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: fairfaxstationresident ()
Date: July 10, 2009 10:55AM

Whoa there clifton resident. You had a client of Restaurant Eve make observations not to your liking and you refer him to Cheesecake Factory? Ever eaten at Eve? Trummers would be very fortunate indeed they could mirror such quality and value.

And after reviewing all cliftonresident's posts, it might be fair to say that your posts had something to do with someone's high expectations.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: clifton resident ()
Date: July 10, 2009 11:58AM

for all of you who have enjoyed trummer's so far, join the 'fans of trummer's on main' on face book. let's support this local restaurant. it can only be a great thing for clifton. and give them a break as they work out any kinks - the pluses certainly far outweigh the minuses so far!!!!

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 10, 2009 12:34PM

Yes, I have eaten at Eve's. The dig about Cheesecake Factory may have been a little mean-spirited but my point was that it isn't fair to show up before the official opening and be disappointed. If you aren't willing to deal with a few things being not quite right then wait until they've had a chance to sort it all out. The portion sizes I observed last night weren't small--they were what you would expect at a restaurant of this kind. Restaurant Eve and other restaurants of that caliber routinely serve portion sizes that the Cheesecake Factory crowd would find disappointing. Usually though, the number of courses and the richness of the food make up for that.


fairfaxstationresident Wrote:
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> Whoa there clifton resident. You had a client of
> Restaurant Eve make observations not to your
> liking and you refer him to Cheesecake Factory?
> Ever eaten at Eve? Trummers would be very
> fortunate indeed they could mirror such quality
> and value.
>
> And after reviewing all cliftonresident's posts,
> it might be fair to say that your posts had
> something to do with someone's high expectations.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: FairfaxFeme ()
Date: July 10, 2009 01:09PM

I tried the lounge area as well - I wasn't disappointed. The specialty drink list seems like it could be expanded a bit but the signature drink, The Titanic, was awesome. I liked the giner based drink as well (I forget the name). Also, we tried the bar menu and got the hush puppies with the honey butter and the steak slider sandwiches - both fantastic. Things overall were a little slow but I am sure thats because they are still trying to find their footing. I am looking forward to trying the dining room.

CliftonResident - my husband (who proclaims himself as a semi-wine-o) ordered wine and wondered about the glass as well. We asked the guy behind the bar and he said they serve the wines in the glasses based upon that wine's acidity - not grape. Thought that was interesting.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: July 10, 2009 01:33PM

I christened the place with an upper decker. Trummer's may need some plumbers.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: omarthetentmaker ()
Date: July 10, 2009 07:08PM

Cliftonresident equal a Trummer by any other name or their public relations firm! My gf and I went Thursday and I concur w/Brunswick's review. The FOH needs a lot help and the kitchen is overreaching for its clientele. Please pickled rhubarb.

And isn't cool WTF! Are you 19yo? A soft opening is an opening you are either ready or not. Trummer's ain't since they need to find competent FOH management.



Omar

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: KnowWhat? ()
Date: July 10, 2009 09:13PM

CliftonResident Wrote:
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> This was previously in the Winery in Clifton
> thread, but I thought it deserved it's own
> thread.
>
>
> Here's the word on the restaurant that will be
> opening in the space that used to be the
> Hermitage:
>
> Trummers on Main (formerly the Hermitage)
> restaurant
> will open in November 2008. The restaurant will
> offer guests a completely
> new dining experience with an extensive wine
> cellar and wine dining room, a
> bar and lounge with creative cocktails and an
> elevator for guests to easily
> access all three floors. The cuisine will be
> creative American with a focus
> on using products from local farms and waters.
> Victoria Trummer says "We
> look forward to serving the Clifton Community!"


TRUMMERS ON MAIN IS NOW OPEN! It opened Wednesday, July 8th and has been packed since! Haven't been yet, so can't give a "Food Critic's Review" yet. Let me know if you go - and how it is!

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Capt Smith ()
Date: July 10, 2009 10:04PM

FairfaxFeme Wrote:
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> The specialty drink list seems like
> it could be expanded a bit but the signature
> drink, The Titanic, was awesome...


Takes balls to name your signature drink after a doomed ship....

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: July 12, 2009 10:26AM

Clifton sounds like one of the three places to put a super-expensive restaurant. The other two being Tyson's and Great Falls. Alto Plaza was partially doomed when it opened in ??Centreville??

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: observation ()
Date: July 12, 2009 11:15AM

What folks have to remember is that a substantial amount of money was spent in buying, renovating, and remodeling Trummer's. It is only fair that the owners pass this expense on to the consumer, and recoup the investment by incorporating this cost into the food and drink prices. After all it is the customers who benefit by the outstanding atmosphere created. You are not only paying for high quality, locally grown organic food but also a high quality ambiance that surpasses any of the local restaurants. The net result is pure dining pleasure. Great food and drink, and a wonderful place to enjoy it. A complete package that will provide fond memories of the experience.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: July 12, 2009 12:56PM

Thanks Mr Trummer, you can post under your real name though.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 12, 2009 02:34PM

observation Wrote:
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> What folks have to remember is that a substantial
> amount of money was spent in buying, renovating,
> and remodeling Trummer's.

That's Trummer's problem.

> It is only fair that
> the owners pass this expense on to the consumer,
> and recoup the investment by incorporating this
> cost into the food and drink prices.

Are you a socialist? No, the way it works is the market determines what someone can charge. Trummer's is in the boonies where most of the people don't make enough, or have enough incentive, to eat there more than a couple of times a year. For a high end place like Trummer's to be successful, you need a steady volume of high end customers. You aren't going to find that in Clifton. People aren't going to drive from McLean or Great Falls to Clifton when DC is just down the road.

> After all it
> is the customers who benefit by the outstanding
> atmosphere created. You are not only paying for
> high quality, locally grown organic food but also
> a high quality ambiance that surpasses any of the
> local restaurants.

You are speaking of a community that lives on the KFC and McDonald's that they take to their kids' soccer games. Seriously, are you out of your mind?

> The net result is pure dining
> pleasure.

I can get this in DC...for less.

> Great food and drink, and a wonderful
> place to enjoy it.

Or the Shenadoah Valley...for less.

> A complete package that will
> provide fond memories of the experience.

Like I said, I'll probably take my wife there at some point. But if you expect me or anyone else in FFXU to drop in weekly or monthly, you are sadly mistaken.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: July 12, 2009 07:44PM

I'm not going to Trummer's. Plenty of nice places here in Vienna and in Tyson's for those occasions when grandparents borrow the kid for a weekend.

With that said, I always thought FFX Station/Clifton were pretty pricey places, maybe on the level of McLean. The demographics are there to support an 'Inn at Little Washington' sort of place. OTOH, whether it succeeds depends on the food and management.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: July 13, 2009 03:52AM

CliftonResident Wrote:
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> Yes, I have eaten at Eve's. The dig about
> Cheesecake Factory may have been a little
> mean-spirited but my point was that it isn't fair
> to show up before the official opening and be
> disappointed. If you aren't willing to deal with
> a few things being not quite right then wait until
> they've had a chance to sort it all out. The
> portion sizes I observed last night weren't
> small--they were what you would expect at a
> restaurant of this kind. Restaurant Eve and other
> restaurants of that caliber routinely serve
> portion sizes that the Cheesecake Factory crowd
> would find disappointing. Usually though, the
> number of courses and the richness of the food
> make up for that.
>
>
> fairfaxstationresident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Whoa there clifton resident. You had a client
> of
> > Restaurant Eve make observations not to your
> > liking and you refer him to Cheesecake Factory?
>
> > Ever eaten at Eve? Trummers would be very
> > fortunate indeed they could mirror such quality
> > and value.
> >
> > And after reviewing all cliftonresident's
> posts,
> > it might be fair to say that your posts had
> > something to do with someone's high
> expectations.

Well even if it was a "test run", all he did was give his honest opinion of what he thought, can you really blame someone for telling it like it is?

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 13, 2009 07:34AM

I'm not even sure that I buy that poster had actually even been there. He wrote on the 9th that he had taken his wife there for her birthday. I believe the 9th was the very first day they were open at all and that it was limited to friends and family. Since he wrote that post at 3:47 he would have had to have been there on the 8th. And the only detail he gave at all was that he thought the portion sizes were small. Didn't mention what he had or any other details. I'm calling bullshit.

>
> Well even if it was a "test run", all he did was
> give his honest opinion of what he thought, can
> you really blame someone for telling it like it
> is?

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: BrendaO ()
Date: July 13, 2009 09:30AM

Hubby and I had dinner at Trummer's on Friday night.

The place was very busy, both in the bar and the dining room.

The renovations look fantastic, we sat in the "Winter Garden" which is beautiful. Lots of ambiance with the candles sparkling on all the tables.

We started out with the Mahi Mahi pastrami, which was excellent. Very unusual and tasty. The fish was smoked, and served with a habanero sorbet that really set it off. There were also some sweetened melon balls to cool things down.

Hubby had the flounder which was very good, but a little heavy on the balsamic vinegar.

I ordered the moonfish, but was served the chicken. When I pointed that out, the server replied that I could go ahead and start on the chicken and he'd put in the order for the fish. I told him to never mind (we'd already waited quite awhile for our food, and I was hungry!), I'd go ahead and have the chicken. I had ordered a glass of white bordeaux to go with my fish. The wine was very good, but ended up costing $20/glass. The wine by the glass list does not show prices. The chicken was good, sort of a southwestern preparation in the spices.

We had the strawberry terrine for dessert, which was very good.

The portions were all quite small, maybe even a little smaller than I'd expect in such a restaurant.

When the bill came, we had been charged for the fish ($12 more than the chicken), which I had to point out to the server.

All in all, it's a nice place, the food was good, and they have some service issues to work out yet. We wiill definitely return, but will give them a bit of time to get things settled.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 13, 2009 09:38AM

formerhick76 Wrote:
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> I'm not going to Trummer's. Plenty of nice places
> here in Vienna and in Tyson's for those occasions
> when grandparents borrow the kid for a weekend.
>
> With that said, I always thought FFX
> Station/Clifton were pretty pricey places, maybe
> on the level of McLean. The demographics are there
> to support an 'Inn at Little Washington' sort of
> place. OTOH, whether it succeeds depends on the
> food and management.


Clifton is pricey in some regards, but most of the houses are on five acres lots. You don't have a lot of population density like you do in McLean. I would also venture to guess that will all the $700K houses in that area and people working in government, you have a lot of "house poor" people living there who don't have a lot of extra income to be dropping $150 a night for dinner.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: fairfaxstationresident ()
Date: July 13, 2009 11:00AM

CliftonResident, please get your facts straight.it is rude and foolish to accuse anyone of "bullshit" until you have done so. check out the post from KnowWhat? announcing that Trummers opened on WEDNESDAY, July 8, 2009. so the post you labeled as bs is most likely legit.

and brunswick's post broke down as:

1. liked hermitage (was regular); trummers is not hermitage (ok so be it).

2. did not feel food had acomplished the value for $$ threshold (small portions comment); this statement in the context of being a customer of restaurant eve which should give readers a baseline for this poster's expectations.

3. pointed to the lack of "local" touch on menu. this could simply have been due to a lack of explanation by the server or claims on the menu.

additionally, perhaps "soft openings" should be accompanied by "introductory pricing" to encourage return business while everyone learns to tread water. a strategy that has been successful elsewhere.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 13, 2009 11:04AM

fairfaxstationresident Wrote:
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>
> additionally, perhaps "soft openings" should be
> accompanied by "introductory pricing" to encourage
> return business while everyone learns to tread
> water. a strategy that has been successful
> elsewhere.


During a "soft opening," you would expect service or food quality not to be "up to snuff." Prices and portion sizes probably aren't going to change between the "soft opening" and the real opening.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: omarthetentmaker ()
Date: July 13, 2009 06:46PM

Didn't realize Hawaii was local? You can get flounder more local than NC. I wonder where the ribeye is from? My friends who raise organic, prime, grass fed beef in NOVA and sell to the top restaurant's and I know most of them between here and Blacksburg aren't selling to Trummer's.

The wine list is typical for area and done by one for them. Where are the VA wines?
The list should at least 50% local w/o sacrificing quality.

What a crock Trummer's is!

Can't wait for Mrs Trummer to respond or is that Steve in drag?

Omar

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner ()
Date: July 14, 2009 07:57AM

I had dinner there last night and would highly recommend others give it a try. I will never understand why so many seem to root for failure instead of appreciating the risk and great effort when someone attempts to provide a unique dining experience where we have so few options outside the usual chains. Regardless, here is my take:

I started with the Grilled Romaine salad. This is an interesting twist on the classic Caesar salad. An entire head of baby Romaine lettuce is lightly grilled--the lettuce is still crisp but the grilling gives it a smoky, charred flavor. The lettuce is topped with small pieces of dried lemon zest that have a surprising amount of flavor. Alongside the lettuce is a single poached egg. The egg white is cooked through--but not overdone--and the yolk is still liquid so that when you break open the egg you have a rich, warm sauce to dip the lettuce, croutons, or bread in. Anchovy sauce is served on the plate--another nod to the Caesar. Freshly baked bread--still warm--is served at the table with a soft, creamy butter that has been topped with salt flakes.

For my main course I had the Tempranillo braised Lamb shoulder and shank. Tender and flavorful, this was served in an interesting presentation where the pieces had been stacked in sort of a square and topped with olives, toasted bread slices and a few drops of Balsamic. This could have been slightly more moist and could possibly benefit from a sauce or reduction of some kind. The dish overall was well executed though, and contrary to what I've read in some other posts, portion sizes are not too small. Between the salad, bread, and lamb I was quite full.

I finished with the peach sorbet for dessert. This was a single scoop of house made peach sorbet floating in a cream sauce of some sort that had been infused with basil. I didn't get a lot of basil flavor, but the peach sorbet was delicious. At $5 I found that to be very reasonably priced.

Others at my table had the suckling pig and the moonfish. The suckling pig is now being offered for one and it isn't as intimidating as it might sound. The pig has been deconstructed in the kitchen and several different cuts are served. The cheeks had the most interesting flavor and were moist and tasty. Other pieces had crispy pieces of skin that give it a nice crunch. Another word about portion sizes--if you have a large appetite go more for the meat dishes and stay away from the fish. I could see where a hearty eater might be disappointed with the size of the pieces of fish. They weren't tiny, and with a first course and dessert should be plenty, but the meat dishes definitely had more food.

All in all, it was a very nice experience. I talked some with the Trummer's and it sounds like they have some interesting plans. Fixed price tasting menus, brunch, and wine pairings are all on the way. The naysayers here are underestimating what they have accomplished. Give it a try and be your own judge.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 09:31AM

omarthetentmaker Wrote:
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> Didn't realize Hawaii was local? You can get
> flounder more local than NC. I wonder where the
> ribeye is from? My friends who raise organic,
> prime, grass fed beef in NOVA and sell to the top
> restaurant's and I know most of them between here
> and Blacksburg aren't selling to Trummer's.
>
> The wine list is typical for area and done by one
> for them. Where are the VA wines?
> The list should at least 50% local w/o sacrificing
> quality.
>
> What a crock Trummer's is!
>
> Can't wait for Mrs Trummer to respond or is that
> Steve in drag?
>
> Omar

VA wine is shit. I used to go to a restaurant that only served VA wine. They went out of business.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 09:32AM

Diner Wrote:
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>
> All in all, it was a very nice experience. I
> talked some with the Trummer's and it sounds like
> they have some interesting plans. Fixed price
> tasting menus, brunch, and wine pairings are all
> on the way. The naysayers here are
> underestimating what they have accomplished. Give
> it a try and be your own judge.

Hey FFXU regulars, let's take a vote. How many of you think someone from Trummer's keeps coming on here posing as diners? Just post "Yes" or "No."

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 09:32AM

Yes

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner ()
Date: July 14, 2009 09:39AM

I can assure you I am not in any way associated with Trummer's. I wrote a good review because I enjoyed it, but didn't flinch from saying where I thought things needed improvement. I also provided enough detail in my post--unlike those who have bashed it--to show that I did, in fact, have dinner there. Jesus Christ, don't be so cynical. Drop by the bar and have a cocktail to see what you think of the place. A cocktail will set you back around $10 or $12 so it's a pretty low investment.


WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> Hey FFXU regulars, let's take a vote. How many of
> you think someone from Trummer's keeps coming on
> here posing as diners? Just post "Yes" or "No."

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 09:58AM

Diner Wrote:
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> I can assure you I am not in any way associated
> with Trummer's. I wrote a good review because I
> enjoyed it, but didn't flinch from saying where I
> thought things needed improvement. I also
> provided enough detail in my post--unlike those
> who have bashed it--to show that I did, in fact,
> have dinner there. Jesus Christ, don't be so
> cynical. Drop by the bar and have a cocktail to
> see what you think of the place. A cocktail will
> set you back around $10 or $12 so it's a pretty
> low investment.
>

You are the same person who writes about "hubby and I." You are obviously making multiple posts on here and you sound like you are writing a Goddamn marketing brochure for the place. It's quite clear that you are associated with this place in some fashion, so quit the bullshit act.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner ()
Date: July 14, 2009 10:12AM

You haven't a clue what you are talking about--I am not the same person who wrote the "hubby and I" post. No bullshit act, I'm not associated with them. Hopefully others found my description helpful. If you can find something inaccurate about what I wrote, please let me know.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
>
> You are the same person who writes about "hubby
> and I." You are obviously making multiple posts on
> here and you sound like you are writing a Goddamn
> marketing brochure for the place. It's quite clear
> that you are associated with this place in some
> fashion, so quit the bullshit act.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: July 14, 2009 10:18AM

Well, the first innaccuracy is the part about the food being delicious.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner ()
Date: July 14, 2009 10:19AM

Have you been?

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> Well, the first innaccuracy is the part about the
> food being delicious.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 10:25AM

Diner Wrote:
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> You haven't a clue what you are talking about--I
> am not the same person who wrote the "hubby and I"
> post. No bullshit act, I'm not associated with
> them. Hopefully others found my description
> helpful. If you can find something inaccurate
> about what I wrote, please let me know.
>

Whatever you say BrendaO and CliftonResident.

Seriously, you are Trummer. At least have the balls to admit it.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner ()
Date: July 14, 2009 10:40AM

Good grief, whatever.

>
> Whatever you say BrendaO and CliftonResident.
>
> Seriously, you are Trummer. At least have the
> balls to admit it.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 10:43AM

Diner Wrote:
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> Good grief, whatever.
>
> >
> > Whatever you say BrendaO and CliftonResident.
> >
> > Seriously, you are Trummer. At least have the
> > balls to admit it.


Whatever, Vicky.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 10:46AM

Looked at Trummer's menu and the prices are not the $30 to $50 as originally promoted, but in the $20 to $30 range. Wonder why that is? I thought that they had to recoup their investment.

I have to give them credit for reading the writing on the wall....or the FFXU.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: robstenson ()
Date: July 14, 2009 03:33PM

Wow lots of controversy on these boards.
Anyway I live in centreville and im a happy hour and apps type of person.
I went to trummers on monday and the 1st level with the bar was the only
floor I was on. But upon entrance I was greeted by some really hot hostesses
and sat at the really cool bar I think it's made of granite and has lights that
shine underneath (really a one of a kind bar). Either way im getting distracted I had the steak sliders and hush puppies and a few cocktails and I am very impressed!! The food was great and the custom cocktails were really good (especially the titanic). But not sure about the entree's never ventured to those during my stay. Either way I will be back I really enjoyed it

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 03:43PM

robstenson Wrote:
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> Wow lots of controversy on these boards.
> Anyway I live in centreville and im a happy hour
> and apps type of person.
> I went to trummers on monday and the 1st level
> with the bar was the only
> floor I was on. But upon entrance I was greeted by
> some really hot hostesses
> and sat at the really cool bar I think it's made
> of granite and has lights that
> shine underneath (really a one of a kind bar).
> Either way im getting distracted I had the steak
> sliders and hush puppies and a few cocktails and I
> am very impressed!! The food was great and the
> custom cocktails were really good (especially the
> titanic). But not sure about the entree's never
> ventured to those during my stay. Either way I
> will be back I really enjoyed it


What is it with the new posters on this thread all with the same fake tone? Who the fuck would come on here for the "first time" and say something like "Wow lots of controversy on these boards."

I'm not saying Trummer's is good or bad. I haven't been there. I just have to question why a restaurant is trying so hard that it would use this kind of strategy. Why not be honest and just tell us what's available and what things cost? Why pretend to be a bunch of random Clifton-ites who are discovering this site for the first time and saying things like "hubby and I" and making hack comments like you are a food reviewer for some hotel tourist magazine?

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner ()
Date: July 14, 2009 03:51PM

Dude, get a clue. You aren't being fair to these people. I can't vouch for anyone else but if you do a search for posts by me as Diner, you'll see I've posted here for a long time about plenty of other restaurants. I have nothing to do with the Trummer's other than having met them while having dinner there.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/search.php?0,search=,author=Diner,page=1,match_type=ALL,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL,match_threads=0


WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
>
> I'm not saying Trummer's is good or bad. I haven't
> been there. I just have to question why a
> restaurant is trying so hard that it would use
> this kind of strategy. Why not be honest and just
> tell us what's available and what things cost? Why
> pretend to be a bunch of random Clifton-ites who
> are discovering this site for the first time and
> saying things like "hubby and I" and making hack
> comments like you are a food reviewer for some
> hotel tourist magazine?

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Rute Boye ()
Date: July 14, 2009 07:15PM

Why would anyone think that the favorable posts on Trummers are from trolls? Suppose someone just wanted to know more about the restaurant (hours of operation, menu, etc) and did a Google search on the words "Trummers on Main"? Try it and and see what happens.......the first hit you get is a link to this discussion thread.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: July 14, 2009 08:52PM

Yeah I just tried it retard... clearly you did not. First hit is the restaurant's website, which has all the info you just asked for... which makes me think you are a troll working for the Trummers, or maybe even one of the actual, increasingly desperate "Trummers".

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 09:08PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> Yeah I just tried it retard... clearly you did
> not. First hit is the restaurant's website, which
> has all the info you just asked for... which makes
> me think you are a troll working for the Trummers,
> or maybe even one of the actual, increasingly
> desperate "Trummers".


It's just interesting how Trummers was out promoting $30 to $50 dishes. Then, after the soft opening when people were bitching about spending $150 without drinks, the dishes are now a more reasonable $20 to $30. I get the impression the Trummers are reading this forum, which would make sense since it does come up pretty high when you search for "Trummer's on Main."

If the Trummer's are reading this, good luck. I hope for your sake you didn't over-extend yourselves (hint...you probably did).

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: know what i think? ()
Date: July 14, 2009 10:20PM

Very wealthy daddy is bankrolling the whole thing. He pays $1.7 mil for the building and probably puts at least that much into rehabbing the place. And this was at the height of the credit crunch last year. What lender would go for that? Restaurants are about as risky as it gets.

It's a hobby for daddy. The money is probably pocket change for him and he did it so his little girl would move back home from the big city. Doesn't matter if the place is successful or not, or how long it takes to succeed, there are no investors or bankers breathing down their necks.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 10:34PM

The county says they paid $1.7 million for the structure, but I'm not sure if they put $1.7 million in improvements. Regardless, the monthly payment on the thing, if it is financed, is probably in the $15K range. Then you have to add utilities, etc, so let's say that the total monthly outlay just for the facility is $20K. How much do you think they need to bring in each night to cover the cost of the food, help and liquor?

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: gethefactsout ()
Date: July 14, 2009 10:58PM

the suspicions of some posters as to the identity/motivations of at least one poster may be correct, check it out:

the poster identified as DINER on this ffxu thread posted a similar discription of his dining experience (same menu selections) on http://www.donrockwell.com/index.php?showtopic=11927. only on this thread the poster identified himself by name and said in his first posting that he had received an INVITATION to the soft opening. i wonder who would send out such invitations and how the list would be compiled?

seems to be part of the kinchloe, yates ford, henderson, wolf shoals clifton. which of course is where at least one of the investors lives.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 11:07PM

gethefactsout Wrote:
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> the suspicions of some posters as to the
> identity/motivations of at least one poster may be
> correct, check it out:
>
> the poster identified as DINER on this ffxu thread
> posted a similar discription of his dining
> experience (same menu selections) on
> http://www.donrockwell.com/index.php?showtopic=119
> 27. only on this thread the poster identified
> himself by name and said in his first posting that
> he had received an INVITATION to the soft opening.
> i wonder who would send out such invitations and
> how the list would be compiled?
>
> seems to be part of the kinchloe, yates ford,
> henderson, wolf shoals clifton. which of course
> is where at least one of the investors lives.

Bingo! Wayne Rash is a freelance PR hack living in Clifton. Based on his revenue figures, it looks like he does a lot of small jobs. I bet anything he did the copy for Trummer's website and is now out flacking forums and blogs for the restaurant.

What douche!

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: correction please ()
Date: July 14, 2009 11:09PM

gethefactsout Wrote:
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> the suspicions of some posters as to the
> identity/motivations of at least one poster may be
> correct, check it out:
>
> the poster identified as DINER on this ffxu thread
> posted a similar discription of his dining
> experience (same menu selections) on
> http://www.donrockwell.com/index.php?showtopic=119
> 27. only on this thread the poster identified
> himself by name and said in his first posting that
> he had received an INVITATION to the soft opening.
> i wonder who would send out such invitations and
> how the list would be compiled?
>
> seems to be part of the kinchloe, yates ford,
> henderson, wolf shoals clifton. which of course
> is where at least one of the investors lives.

read twice, then respond please. factually incorrect.

although the DINER poster sounded similar, the menu items discussed were NOT the same.

but comment on invitation crowd is astute.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 11:10PM

correction please Wrote:
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> gethefactsout Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the suspicions of some posters as to the
> > identity/motivations of at least one poster may
> be
> > correct, check it out:
> >
> > the poster identified as DINER on this ffxu
> thread
> > posted a similar discription of his dining
> > experience (same menu selections) on
> >
> http://www.donrockwell.com/index.php?showtopic=119
>
> > 27. only on this thread the poster identified
> > himself by name and said in his first posting
> that
> > he had received an INVITATION to the soft
> opening.
> > i wonder who would send out such invitations
> and
> > how the list would be compiled?
> >
> > seems to be part of the kinchloe, yates ford,
> > henderson, wolf shoals clifton. which of
> course
> > is where at least one of the investors lives.
>
> read twice, then respond please. factually
> incorrect.
>
> although the DINER poster sounded similar, the
> menu items discussed were NOT the same.
>
> but comment on invitation crowd is astute.


Whatever, Wayne. We know what you are up to.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 14, 2009 11:12PM

Seriously, Wayne. If you had just come on here and said, "I'm doing some work with Trummer's and want to invite you to check out their soft opening," I don't think people would have an issue. But the lying about your ID and intent are no good.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: gethefacts ()
Date: July 15, 2009 12:41AM

check this out:

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/636145

this is a copy of the Brenda O post from july 13

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: gethefacts ()
Date: July 15, 2009 01:10AM

check this out:

http://www.thewinecabinet.com/events/event.asp?EVENT_ID=333&;

is this clifton's future?

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: jamie ()
Date: July 15, 2009 01:17AM

well I am in Ga. and can't wait to eat there. My son is in the kitchen and is working very hard. He has been working 60 to 70 hours a week for the past few weeks. You have some very talented people in that kitchen and are lucky to have them in your backyard.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: cliftonresident2 ()
Date: July 15, 2009 02:12AM

jamie Wrote:
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>You have some very talented people
> in that kitchen and are lucky to have them in your
> backyard.


and there is the fault line.

i should consider myself lucky because some local multi-millionaire real estate executives decide to renovate a local restaurant? import chef talent from american tourist mecas? serve food that is as trendy as haute couture?

how can this place's goal possibly be "serve the clifton community?" with this kind of venue? it is obvious that their [original] goal was to try to repeat the ilw experience, but the current market has caused a re-think.

traffic is bad enough without people from out of town trying to find the place.

i was here before the real estate execs moved into the local hills and i suspect that i will be here after the new economy devours them.

and of course you will come to visit, he is your son afterall. but how many others from the peach tree state will wander this way without prodding?

may the gods save us from hordes of tourists. that's why we live 20 miles from dc.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner ()
Date: July 15, 2009 07:14AM

Oh, goodness--I wonder if anyone else finds this as silly as I do. So, let me get this straight--you think the Trummer's plan was to buy the Hermitage, spend $2M renovating it, hire a first-rate chef and pastry chef, the sommelier from the Inn at Little Washington, designers, have a professional website, menus, and signs done, and then devise a marketing strategy centered around creating fake reviews on Fairfax Underground. Uh huh. Seriously, I think you are overestimating this site. You sound paranoid and obsessed with finding motives in people that don't exist. I had dinner there on Monday, the poster on Don Rockwell had dinner there during the soft opening last week. Do you really think that if Trummer's were trying to plant fake reviews they would have used the following descriptions/phrases:

I ordered the moonfish, but was served the chicken.

The portions were all quite small, maybe even a little smaller than I'd expect in such a restaurant.

When the bill came, we had been charged for the fish ($12 more than the chicken), which I had to point out to the server.

We wiill definitely return, but will give them a bit of time to get things settled.

This could have been slightly more moist and could possibly benefit from a sauce or reduction of some kind.

I could see where a hearty eater might be disappointed with the size of the pieces of fish

Wine by the bottle is reasonably priced, but wine by the glass is a little steeper than I think it should be.

The noise levels were a bit higher than I'd like.

I felt like the plate needed completion.

As you might expect, the service was best described as variable.

Yeah, those sound like fake planted reviews. It sounds like to me that people are interested in the place and are posting their honest first impressions. I have no idea who Wayne Rash is, but I know it isn't me.




WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Seriously, Wayne. If you had just come on here and
> said, "I'm doing some work with Trummer's and want
> to invite you to check out their soft opening," I
> don't think people would have an issue. But the
> lying about your ID and intent are no good.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Clifton Resident ()
Date: July 15, 2009 08:17AM

We dined in the lounge at Trummers on Main last night and while the food is really good, the service needs a lot of attention. The cocktail waitress had 3 tables and had trouble handling that. Drinks took forever and was told the bartender quit 30 minutes before the shift (2nd night). The food runner couldn't handle the food plus silverware. Had to tell the waitress we were done with the menus and needed napkins. Still can't figure out why anyone would design a bar with a HUGE stone pillar to stare at while seated there. The place is lovely but the prices, serving sizes, weight of silverware (really flimsy in comparison)need to be adjusted to validate a $100+ tab. We don't mind paying that much, but service, extras, need to be comensurate. I think Trummers will be successful and will correct its shortcomings quickly. We'll go back in a few months and see where it is at that point before deciding that this is one of our favorite places.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: whereishe? ()
Date: July 15, 2009 10:52AM

What ever happened to the red-headed manager or is he posting under a new name?

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: ILoveFood ()
Date: July 15, 2009 04:11PM

I have been to Trummer's twice since it has opened. The food is wonderful. I have really enjoyed everything I have had so far, from the bar food to the entrees and the desserts (I did have the chocolate soup which was wonderful but a bit too much chocolate for me). The drinks are great too. I have already seen a tremendous change in servce in my first two visits. Everyone seems to be a bit more confident and the service is faster. The Sommelier is very knowledgable and friendly. I personally think this place is goiong to be a hot spot once they get all of their kinks worked out. I will go back and will encourage others to give it a try.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Cliff Clifton ()
Date: July 15, 2009 10:11PM

I went to Trummer's recently for dinner. Exceptional food and wine, but spotty service. I'll cut them some slack on the service since they are new and I suspect that staff has yet to get it's team rhythm going. That's nothing unusual. So, I intend to return with the hope the food will keep it's buoyancy and the service will improve.

The wine list is quite good and not overpriced at the moment. There were some pretty good deals to be had.

I don't think anyone has the hang of the espresso machine. Mine was cold with none of the lovely beige creme floating on the top. The coffee was exceedingly harsh and lacked a proper roast.

I'd like to see a dress code. When I go to a place of this caliber, I expect a formality that is illustrated by both staff and patrons alike. This ain't Olive Garden. Arriving in you shorts and t-shirt mucks it up for all of us. Time to put on your big boy pants and grow up. I hope that as business picks up, Trummer's becomes less tolerant of the slovenly nouveau-riche types and asks for proper attire.

In the end, I think that they will do well after the usual kinks are resolved.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: omarthetentmaker ()
Date: July 16, 2009 07:15AM

Cliff Clifton Wrote:
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> I went to Trummer's recently for dinner.
> Exceptional food and wine, but spotty service.
> I'll cut them some slack on the service since they
> are new and I suspect that staff has yet to get
> it's team rhythm going. That's nothing unusual.
> So, I intend to return with the hope the food will
> keep it's buoyancy and the service will improve.
>
> The wine list is quite good and not overpriced at
> the moment. There were some pretty good deals to
> be had.
>
> I don't think anyone has the hang of the espresso
> machine. Mine was cold with none of the lovely
> beige creme floating on the top. The coffee was
> exceedingly harsh and lacked a proper roast.
>
> I'd like to see a dress code. When I go to a place
> of this caliber, I expect a formality that is
> illustrated by both staff and patrons alike. This
> ain't Olive Garden. Arriving in you shorts and
> t-shirt mucks it up for all of us. Time to put on
> your big boy pants and grow up. I hope that as
> business picks up, Trummer's becomes less tolerant
> of the slovenly nouveau-riche types and asks for
> proper attire.
>
> In the end, I think that they will do well after
> the usual kinks are resolved.


Just to piss you off boy I make sure I show up with my friends in just our overalls and flipflops. Nothing underneath and give your wifey a thrill of lifetime. Her heart will flutter when she see a real men with a 6 packs. She will head home give her BOB a call and leaving your pretentious, ignorant yuppy Ivy league lawyer ass with your asset in your right hand and no relief in sight from TARP or your wifey. Another night spend with Ms Palmer and her five friends boy.

And damn boy we not might scrape the sheep and cow poop from our boots just to upset your surburban dwelling ass even more. And I am sure my Amex black card is just as good as your Gold one.

For a restaurant that says it promotes local farmers etc its wine list should give VA vitners more than a token representation. And their beef and pork should also be local. It isn't. Local pork, lamb, beef and chicken is the equal of any in the US and in many cases it is the best. And please lets use grass fed beef it tastes better.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Melissa ()
Date: July 16, 2009 09:52AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> It's just interesting how Trummers was out
> promoting $30 to $50 dishes. Then, after the soft
> opening when people were bitching about spending
> $150 without drinks, the dishes are now a more
> reasonable $20 to $30. I get the impression the
> Trummers are reading this forum, which would make
> sense since it does come up pretty high when you
> search for "Trummer's on Main."
>
> If the Trummer's are reading this, good luck. I
> hope for your sake you didn't over-extend
> yourselves (hint...you probably did).

Eh, after all this chat about Trummer's, I'll probably hike to Clifton to try it out. Why not? $20-$30 is much more palatable than $30-$40. Unless this place gives me a freakin' orgasm in my mouth, I doubt I'd be back often as it's kind of far. My favorite restaurant is Bonaroti's in Vienna which is considerably closer, and I am lucky to get there once a year.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Being vague is almost as fun as that other thing.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 10:58AM

Melissa Wrote:
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>
> Eh, after all this chat about Trummer's, I'll
> probably hike to Clifton to try it out. Why not?
> $20-$30 is much more palatable than $30-$40.
> Unless this place gives me a freakin' orgasm in my
> mouth,


I'll do it for $10.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Melissa ()
Date: July 16, 2009 11:08AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Melissa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Eh, after all this chat about Trummer's, I'll
> > probably hike to Clifton to try it out. Why
> not?
> > $20-$30 is much more palatable than $30-$40.
> > Unless this place gives me a freakin' orgasm in
> my
> > mouth,
>
>
> I'll do it for $10.

*snicker*

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 11:12AM

Melissa Wrote:
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>
> Eh, after all this chat about Trummer's, I'll
> probably hike to Clifton to try it out. Why not?
> $20-$30 is much more palatable than $30-$40.
> Unless this place gives me a freakin' orgasm in my
> mouth, I doubt I'd be back often as it's kind of
> far. My favorite restaurant is Bonaroti's in
> Vienna which is considerably closer, and I am
> lucky to get there once a year.


That's kind of my point, though. The people in the outer suburbs with the means to go to that place probably are only going to go a couple of times of year. This isn't New York or, for that matter, DC, where people making six or seven figures go to a place like this three or four times a month. There won't be a lot of frequent repeat business. There just aren't that many people in the immediate area around Clifton and I don't see people driving over from Centreville to go there.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Cheffie ()
Date: July 16, 2009 11:15AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Melissa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Eh, after all this chat about Trummer's, I'll
> > probably hike to Clifton to try it out. Why
> not?
> > $20-$30 is much more palatable than $30-$40.
> > Unless this place gives me a freakin' orgasm in
> my
> > mouth, I doubt I'd be back often as it's kind
> of
> > far. My favorite restaurant is Bonaroti's in
> > Vienna which is considerably closer, and I am
> > lucky to get there once a year.
>
>
> That's kind of my point, though. The people in the
> outer suburbs with the means to go to that place
> probably are only going to go a couple of times of
> year. This isn't New York or, for that matter, DC,
> where people making six or seven figures go to a
> place like this three or four times a month. There
> won't be a lot of frequent repeat business. There
> just aren't that many people in the immediate area
> around Clifton and I don't see people driving over
> from Centreville to go there.



As opposed to the raging metropolis of Little Washington.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 11:22AM

Cheffie Wrote:
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>
>
>
> As opposed to the raging metropolis of Little
> Washington.

The people who started the Inn at Little Washington began small and built clientele over years. They didn't start with a $2 million loan that they had to cover each month. I'm sure there were times back in the 70s and 80s where it was touch and go, even with their lower expenses.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: July 16, 2009 12:49PM

I wonder if they located my upper decker from last week.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 16, 2009 12:57PM

I think its highly unlikely they borrowed the money for this venture.


WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> years. They didn't start with a $2 million loan
> that they had to cover each month. I'm sure there
> were times back in the 70s and 80s where it was
> touch and go, even with their lower expenses.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: congo ()
Date: July 16, 2009 01:06PM

Clifton is a tough little village to make a dollar (I have a business there), and if Trummer's isn't under the financial gun from bankers and investors, then it will make a go of it. The business will evolve as time and pressure mold the situation. A hobby restaurant is only fun for a little while, the real meat is making the cash.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 01:24PM

CliftonResident Wrote:
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> I think its highly unlikely they borrowed the
> money for this venture.
>
>
> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> > years. They didn't start with a $2 million loan
> > that they had to cover each month. I'm sure
> there
> > were times back in the 70s and 80s where it was
> > touch and go, even with their lower expenses.


How do you know that?

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 16, 2009 01:31PM

It's just common sense. They bought the Hermitage after the credit markets had already started to sieze up and real estate values were falling. There is no way they could have gotten a commercial loan for $3.7M--they must have had the cash.


WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> CliftonResident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think its highly unlikely they borrowed the
> > money for this venture.
> >
> >
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
>
> How do you know that?

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 01:40PM

CliftonResident Wrote:
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> It's just common sense. They bought the Hermitage
> after the credit markets had already started to
> sieze up and real estate values were falling.
> There is no way they could have gotten a
> commercial loan for $3.7M--they must have had the
> cash.
>
>

Seems to me the credit markets seized in September 08...

Sales


next record
Date 07/24/2008
Amount $1,725,000
Seller SWING BARBE
Buyer TRUMMERS ON MAIN LLC
Notes Valid and verified sale
Deed Book and Page 20039-1056

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 01:45PM

Unless you know the woman comes from a rich family, the fact is the guy was a bartender in New York. No matter how successful he was, I doubt he would have $3.7 million to sink into some place, unless his family had money. I would assume they have a big ass loan on the place.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 16, 2009 02:08PM

So you think somebody would have lent $3.7M to a bartender? I don't think so. I think the owner is an executive at a major home builder. The credit markets froze completely in the fall, but lending standards had dramatically tightened by the time they bought the Hermitage. Rumors around town at the time were that several deals to buy the general store had fallen though because buyers couldn't get financing.


WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Unless you know the woman comes from a rich
> family, the fact is the guy was a bartender in New
> York. No matter how successful he was, I doubt he
> would have $3.7 million to sink into some place,
> unless his family had money. I would assume they
> have a big ass loan on the place.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 16, 2009 02:14PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHBPDpMwyUMI&refer=home

Feb. 4, 2008 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve said it became tougher for U.S. companies and consumers to get loans in the past three months, particularly to buy real estate.

Most lenders anticipate more delinquencies and losses this year, assuming ``economic activity progresses in line with consensus forecasts,'' according to the central bank's quarterly survey of senior loan officers released today in Washington.

The survey, conducted last month through Jan. 17, was available to Fed policy makers last week and may help explain the central bank's fastest easing of monetary policy since 1990. Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and his colleagues lowered their benchmark rate by 1.25 percentage points last month, aiming to revive lending and spending, averting a recession.

``It's definitely a broader-based tightening than we've seen before,'' said Edward McKelvey, senior U.S. economist at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in New York. ``The economy is weakening and weakening in a pretty substantial way.''

About 80 percent of banks raised standards on commercial- property loans, a record, while a majority tightened terms on prime home mortgages.

Bernanke warned in a Jan. 10 speech that there was ``considerable evidence that banks have become more restrictive in their lending to firms and households.''

`Considerable Stress'

``Financial markets remain under considerable stress, and credit has tightened further for some businesses and households,'' the Federal Open Market Committee said in its Jan. 30 statement.

The survey covered 56 domestic banks and 23 foreign institutions. The 56 banks together have $5.95 trillion in assets, representing about 54 percent of the country's $11.1 trillion total for all domestically chartered, federally insured commercial banks.

Investors anticipate the Fed will lower its benchmark rate by a further half-point by the March 18 meeting, according to futures contracts quoted on the Chicago Board of Trade. The central bank has lowered the federal funds rate to 3 percent from 5.25 percent since September.

About one-third of U.S. banks said they increased their standards on commercial and industrial loans, while two-fifths said they widened spreads of interest rates over their cost of funds. Both responses represented an increase from the October.

Commercial Property

In commercial real estate, the proportion of banks tightening terms was the highest since the Fed began seeking information on the subject in 1990. About 45 percent, on net, of both U.S. and foreign institutions said demand for such loans weakened in the past three months.

Many banks became stricter because of a ``less favorable economic outlook,'' and a ``large fraction'' of U.S. banks reported a ``reduced tolerance for risk,'' the Fed said. Examples of credit standards in commercial real estate include the maximum loan size and maturity and loan-to-value ratios, the Fed said.

``The tightening there looks pretty significant,'' said Michael Feroli, an economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in New York. ``That sector is going to be challenged quite a bit this year.''

For home loans, about 55 percent of U.S. banks toughened terms for prime mortgages, up from 40 percent in October, while 85 percent of respondents made it tougher to get nontraditional loans, up from 60 percent, the survey said. A majority of U.S. respondents said demand worsened for prime, nontraditional and subprime mortgages.

Loan Quality

The Fed also asked banks about their outlook for delinquencies and charge-offs in 2008. For seven of eight questions, no banks expected loan quality to improve for business and consumer loans; most expected the quality to worsen.

Banks are making it tougher to get financing after $146 billion in asset writedowns and credit losses since the beginning of 2007 damaged their balance sheets.

Surging defaults on subprime mortgages caused losses to ripple through the finance industry, and banks and securities firms are now searching for as much as $84 billion of capital to shore up their finances.

Fed Governor Randall Kroszner today urged lenders to ``quickly'' enact modifications of home loans at risk of default, before 2 million mortgages reset higher over the next two years.

The Treasury last year brought mortgage lenders together through an alliance called Hope Now to fast-track loan modifications and keep Americans in their homes.

Stemming Losses

Today's Fed survey showed that 35 percent of respondents expected ``streamlined loan modifications of the sort proposed by the Hope Now alliance to be at least a somewhat significant loss- mitigating strategy for banks.''

Some 85 percent of banks said loan-by-loan modifications based on individual circumstances would be ``significant'' in their approach to stemming losses.

``As rates reset, it is important that we take steps to protect homeowners, communities, the mortgage market, and the economy from the adverse consequences of unnecessary defaults and foreclosures,'' Kroszner said in a speech at a conference in Las Vegas today.

Housing figures have yet to signal a recovery. A report last week showed that purchases of new homes in the U.S. unexpectedly fell to a 12-year low in December, capping the worst sales year since records began in 1963. The median price dropped 10 percent from December 2006, the most in 37 years, the Commerce Department said.

The tougher standards may have yet to spread to smaller companies. William Dunkelberg, chief economist at the National Federation of Independent Business, which conducts its own survey of members, said he hasn't seen ``any difference in credit availability for small businesses'' since mid-2007.

Credit-card lenders have tightened loan standards for consumers in California, Florida and other states most affected by the housing slump. Citigroup Inc., the third-largest lender to Visa Inc. and MasterCard Inc. cardholders in the U.S., reduced lines of credit for borrowers it considers more likely to default and had to double fourth-quarter reserves for card losses.

To contact the reporter on this story: Scott Lanman in Washington at slanman@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: February 4, 2008 16:49 EST

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: getthefactsout ()
Date: July 16, 2009 03:28PM

There is more than one investor at Trummers. One, Keith Neiman (amateur chef and the father-in-law of Stefan Trummer) is associated with Ryan Homes. (Trummer married Victoria Neiman of Clifton. Ms. Trummer attended undergraduate/graduate school in NY) The other, Wayne Van Nostrand is also a Ryan Homes exec. There may be others, but these are the two tracked down so far.

The Trummer family is/was in the restuarant business in Austria.

Stefan Trummer's older brother, Albert, has been successful in L.A./South Beach/NYC restaurant/bar communities as well. He is credited with coming up with the job title: "Bar Chef." You can find an article on albert's $195.00 (no, i am not kidding) absinth cocktail here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=ajQhLquggSGM

Read about stefan here:
http://www.stefantrummer.com/Sections/bio.htm

And too keep in all in the Neiman family, Victoria Trummer's aunts, Jennifer Neiman and Susan Woodhouse is the baker behind the Fairfax Corner cupcakery "Cupcakes Actually."

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 03:32PM

CliftonResident Wrote:
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> So you think somebody would have lent $3.7M to a
> bartender? I don't think so. I think the owner
> is an executive at a major home builder. The
> credit markets froze completely in the fall, but
> lending standards had dramatically tightened by
> the time they bought the Hermitage. Rumors around
> town at the time were that several deals to buy
> the general store had fallen though because buyers
> couldn't get financing.
>
>

Not to get into personal details, or to raise Alias's dander, but I can tell you from personal experience it isn't as hard to get a commercial loan for that amount as you might think.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 16, 2009 03:40PM

It is very difficult to get a loan for that amount. Try it.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
>
> Not to get into personal details, or to raise
> Alias's dander, but I can tell you from personal
> experience it isn't as hard to get a commercial
> loan for that amount as you might think.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 03:44PM

CliftonResident Wrote:
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> It is very difficult to get a loan for that
> amount. Try it.
>
> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
> > Not to get into personal details, or to raise
> > Alias's dander, but I can tell you from
> personal
> > experience it isn't as hard to get a commercial
> > loan for that amount as you might think.

Not quite 3.7, but close. I've tried it and I have done it.

First, you get SBA to pick up the primary loan. For that amount, they could do about 30 to 40%. Once SBA does that, any commercial bank is happy to lend the rest of the amount.

It's not nearly as hard as you would think if you have decent credit and a track record of being successful in your line of business.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 16, 2009 03:45PM

Have you done it since 2008?

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
>
> Not quite 3.7, but close. I've tried it and I have
> done it.
>
> First, you get SBA to pick up the primary loan.
> For that amount, they could do about 30 to 40%.
> Once SBA does that, any commercial bank is happy
> to lend the rest of the amount.
>
> It's not nearly as hard as you would think if you
> have decent credit and a track record of being
> successful in your line of business.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 03:46PM

CliftonResident Wrote:
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> Have you done it since 2008?
>

I did it this year.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: CliftonResident ()
Date: July 16, 2009 04:01PM

For a restaurant?

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> CliftonResident Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Have you done it since 2008?
> >
>
> I did it this year.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Eat Me II ()
Date: July 16, 2009 04:05PM

The Inn at Little Washington did not start with a large loan, far from it. In 1978, O'Connell and Lynch opened the Inn at Little Washington in an abandoned gas station. Three weeks after opening, a food critic for the Washington Star, a Washington D.C. newspaper, John Rosson, visited the inn for dinner. In April, 1978, John Rosson's article was printed, proclaiming Patrick O'Connell's Inn at Little Washington as "the best restaurant within 150 miles of Washington D.C."

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 04:07PM

CliftonResident Wrote:
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> For a restaurant?
>

No. For an owner-occupied business with outside investors.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 04:08PM

Eat Me II Wrote:
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> The Inn at Little Washington did not start with a
> large loan, far from it. In 1978, O'Connell and
> Lynch opened the Inn at Little Washington in an
> abandoned gas station. Three weeks after opening,
> a food critic for the Washington Star, a
> Washington D.C. newspaper, John Rosson, visited
> the inn for dinner. In April, 1978, John Rosson's
> article was printed, proclaiming Patrick
> O'Connell's Inn at Little Washington as "the best
> restaurant within 150 miles of Washington D.C."


Yeah. It also started out small in an inexpensive community, so it didn't need a large loan.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Ban Hammer ()
Date: July 16, 2009 09:25PM

gethefactsout Wrote:
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> the suspicions of some posters as to the
> identity/motivations of at least one poster may be
> correct, check it out:
>
> the poster identified as DINER on this ffxu thread
> posted a similar discription of his dining
> experience (same menu selections) on
> http://www.donrockwell.com/index.php?showtopic=119
> 27. only on this thread the poster identified
> himself by name and said in his first posting that
> he had received an INVITATION to the soft opening.
> i wonder who would send out such invitations and
> how the list would be compiled?


          WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
          -------------------------------------------------------
          > Bingo! Wayne Rash is a freelance PR hack living in
          > Clifton. Based on his revenue figures, it looks
          > like he does a lot of small jobs. I bet anything
          > he did the copy for Trummer's website and is now
          > out flacking forums and blogs for the restaurant.
          >
          > What douche!




Fresh bans and new policies
Posted by: Cary ()
Date: July 04, 2009 08:35PM


ALSO from now on any thread or post which reveals or seeks to reveal
a poster's real life identity against their wishes will be considered
a personal attack and moderated as such.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: July 16, 2009 09:35PM

Ban Hammer= a mission without a man

______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Date: July 16, 2009 09:52PM

Ban Hammer Wrote:
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> gethefactsout Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the suspicions of some posters as to the
> > identity/motivations of at least one poster may
> be
> > correct, check it out:
> >
> > the poster identified as DINER on this ffxu
> thread
> > posted a similar discription of his dining
> > experience (same menu selections) on
> >
> http://www.donrockwell.com/index.php?showtopic=119
>
> > 27. only on this thread the poster identified
> > himself by name and said in his first posting
> that
> > he had received an INVITATION to the soft
> opening.
> > i wonder who would send out such invitations
> and
> > how the list would be compiled?
>
>
>         &n
> bsp; WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
>         &n
> bsp; ----------------------------------------
> ---------------
>         &n
> bsp; > Bingo! Wayne Rash is a freelance PR
> hack living in
>         &n
> bsp; > Clifton. Based on his revenue figures,
> it looks
>         &n
> bsp; > like he does a lot of small jobs. I
> bet anything
>         &n
> bsp; > he did the copy for Trummer's website
> and is now
>         &n
> bsp; > out flacking forums and blogs for the
> restaurant.
>         &n
> bsp; >
>         &n
> bsp; > What douche!
>
>
>
> Fresh bans and new policies
> Posted by: Cary ()
> Date: July 04, 2009 08:35PM
>
>
> ALSO from now on any thread or post which reveals
> or seeks to reveal
> a poster's real life identity against their wishes
> will be considered
> a personal attack and moderated as such.


Sorry, but this dude was denying that he worked for Trummer's. He didn't even need to reveal his ID. He could have just said, "I'm doing some work with Trummer and want to tell you what's going on with the restaurant." He didn't do that. He pretended to be an anonymous diner and denied the fact that he had an agenda.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Ban Hammer ()
Date: July 16, 2009 10:37PM

>Sorry, but this dude was denying that he worked for Trummer's. He didn't even need to reveal his ID. He could have just said, "I'm doing some work with Trummer and want to tell you what's going on with the restaurant." He didn't do that. He pretended to be an anonymous diner and denied the fact that he had an agenda.<


I don't see where's Cary's straightforward policy has a posting-under-false-pretences
exception along the lines you describe.

Perhaps that exception may be found in a penumbra formed by an emanation from
the rule. But that would be a matter for Cary to decide.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner 49er ()
Date: July 16, 2009 10:54PM

Ban Hammer Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >Sorry, but this dude was denying that he worked
> for Trummer's. He didn't even need to reveal his
> ID. He could have just said, "I'm doing some work
> with Trummer and want to tell you what's going on
> with the restaurant." He didn't do that. He
> pretended to be an anonymous diner and denied the
> fact that he had an agenda.<
>
>
> I don't see where's Cary's straightforward policy
> has a posting-under-false-pretences
> exception along the lines you describe.
>
> Perhaps that exception may be found in a penumbra
> formed by an emanation from
> the rule. But that would be a matter for Cary to
> decide.


So what you are saying is that the true poster has been outed and, since you know it, you must be him.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: correct ()
Date: July 16, 2009 11:11PM

getthefactsout Wrote:
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> There is more than one investor at Trummers. One,
> Keith Neiman (amateur chef and the father-in-law
> of Stefan Trummer) is associated with Ryan Homes.

Correct

> (Trummer married Victoria Neiman of Clifton. Ms.
> Trummer attended undergraduate/graduate school in
> NY)

Correct - culinary school

The other, Wayne Van Nostrand is also a Ryan
> Homes exec.

Wrong - he *was* a former Ryan Homes exec - he was RIF'ed over a year ago. He's now working for Keith as the Mktg Director for Trummers.

There may be others, but these are
> the two tracked down so far.

There aren't any others from Ryan associated with Trummers - just Neiman & Van Nostrand. Although all of the (remaining) Ryan execs have made the bar their new hang out.
>
> The Trummer family is/was in the restuarant
> business in Austria.

Correct
>
> Stefan Trummer's older brother, Albert, has been
> successful in L.A./South Beach/NYC restaurant/bar
> communities as well. He is credited with coming
> up with the job title: "Bar Chef." You can find an
> article on albert's $195.00 (no, i am not kidding)
> absinth cocktail here:
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&si
> d=ajQhLquggSGM
>
> Read about stefan here:
> http://www.stefantrummer.com/Sections/bio.htm

That's him....
>
> And too keep in all in the Neiman family, Victoria
> Trummer's aunts, Jennifer Neiman and Susan
> Woodhouse is the baker behind the Fairfax Corner
> cupcakery "Cupcakes Actually."


Correct - Although Jenny is Keith's wife (Victoria's step-mom). The sad part is that the cupcakes are disgusting.


And no - a loan wasn't needed for the structure.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Ban Hammer ()
Date: July 16, 2009 11:28PM

>So what you are saying is that the true poster has been outed and, since you know it, you must be him.<

Where did I say the true poster has been outed?

It's possible he was, although he denied it.

But he may have been lying when he denied it, in a last-ditch attempt to preserve his true identity.

I don't know.

And since I don't know, your rather silly inference does not follow.

Or, in fact, you may have guessed right, but for the wrong reason.

Only Cary, and perhaps Gravis, would know for sure -- if, for example, my IP matches Diner's IP. But in that event, even if I was Diner, I would not be too concerned about Cary or Gravis outing me, as it seems neither one is a rat.


     Fresh bans and new policies
     Posted by: Cary ()
     Date: July 04, 2009 08:35PM


     ALSO from now on any thread or post which reveals or seeks to reveal
     a poster's real life identity against their wishes will be considered
     a personal attack and moderated as such.



You'll note that Cary's policy applies not only to revealing a poster's identity, but also seeking to reveal their identity.

In the event the real-life person WTL identified as Diner was not in fact Diner, it would still appear that WTL contravened the rule in seeking to reveal Diner's real life identity against Diner's wishes (and, as already noted, WTL may in fact have revealed Diner's real life identity, even though Diner denies it).

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Herzschlag ()
Date: July 16, 2009 11:33PM

Shut up Inkahootz.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Ban Hammer ()
Date: July 16, 2009 11:43PM

I would prefer that my arguments were addressed on the merits, rather than via ad hominem attack.

But if that's the best you're capable of... IT'S ON, MOTHERFUCKER!!1!

Name the time and date, and I will see YOU under the plasma.

You can't miss me. I'll be in the Tapout shirt.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner ()
Date: July 17, 2009 07:24AM

Actually, if I were WTL, I would be a little worried about a libel lawsuit. It seems to me that if Wayne Rash discovers this thread, and is litigation minded, he would have a pretty solid case. WTL has repeatly accused him of posting fictitious reviews, impersonating other users, and stated that he works for the Trummer's. I can say categorically, that he is not the same person as Diner, and I think it's pretty clear that Brenda is a different person altogether since she has a record of posting on other websites using that name. He has also called Mr. Rash a "PR hack". I don't know if Mr. Rash works for the Trummer's or not, but the evidence seems flimsy at best. Mr. Rash would have a good argument that WTL's statements have been harmful to his business, thereby demonstrating material harm.

In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel (for written words), slander (for spoken words), and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. It is usually, but not always,[1] a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).


Ban Hammer Wrote:
>
> Fresh bans and new policies
> Posted by: Cary ()
> Date: July 04, 2009 08:35PM
>
>
> ALSO from now on any thread or post which reveals
> or seeks to reveal
> a poster's real life identity against their wishes
> will be considered
> a personal attack and moderated as such.

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Re: Trummer's on Main
Posted by: Diner ()
Date: July 17, 2009 07:29AM

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9127749/Judge_orders_Web_site_to_unmask_anonymous_posters_in_libel_case?source=rss_news

Computerworld - The First Amendment protects the right to free speech and anonymous free speech. But it doesn't offer the right to libel someone, anonymously or otherwise.

A Texas circuit court judge served up a reminder of the amendment last week when she ordered an online news aggregation site to turn over any potentially identifying information it has on 178 people. They had anonymously posted allegedly defamatory comments on the site about two individuals involved in a sexual assault case.

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