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Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 08, 2008 01:35AM

About the new Gatehouse building that will cost taxpayers over $50 million to make staff happy. That money could be used to reduce class size in every classroom in the county. But they would rather make staff happy than meet the needs of students. Take their survey and let them know how you feel.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=fcZm3oTuSOBYzUnxw9JaNA_3d_3d

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Eastsider ()
Date: August 08, 2008 03:17AM

I think they should buy it. Seems like a good deal.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: curious ()
Date: August 08, 2008 06:54AM

Neen Wrote:
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> About the new Gatehouse building that will cost
> taxpayers over $50 million to make staff happy.
> That money could be used to reduce class size in
> every classroom in the county. But they would
> rather make staff happy than meet the needs of
> students. Take their survey and let them know how
> you feel.
>
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=fcZm3oTuSOBY
> zUnxw9JaNA_3d_3d

Thanks.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Mike Sorce ()
Date: August 08, 2008 08:32AM

How long has this survey been available? The FCPS website seems to indicate that this is a done deal based on a vote at the 7/24 SB meeting.

Oh...Survey Monkey = CRAP!

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: August 08, 2008 08:37AM

Hey FCPS, heres how I feel. Take all these FCPS posters and shoot them. All of them.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Builder ()
Date: August 08, 2008 08:55AM

Might as well match the main Fairfax county office buildings.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: audit the numbers ()
Date: August 08, 2008 10:13AM

The numbers presented by FCPS are fraudulent-we need an outside part to audit them.

1. Gatehouse 1 was supposed to save us $20 million over 33 years, now they say it will save us $10 million.

2. Of this supposed $10 million in savings-$26 million is due to "staff savings". Basically they laid off some people in the Sup's office and are passing it off as "consolidation savings". Positions like, Cluster Admin asst, payroll clerk, etc. How is that related to the consolidation?

3. They said they would save $5 million in telecomm savings-they didn't save anything.


4. They claimed that the travel costs would drop from $8 million to $200,000 because the employees would not have to drive between the buildings. They have not been able to furnish prrof of this. A FOIA request on the subject was responded to by FCPS with 2 comments-(1) that FCPS could not calculate the number and (2) that no travel savings have been realized at the division because of fuel cost increases.

So we have $10 million in "savings" now back out the $26 million from layoffs that are unrelated to consolidation and back out $8 million from travel costs savings and now we have the actual number:

GATEHOUSE I cost us $24 million dollars!!!!!

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: FCPS pretends to care ()
Date: August 08, 2008 01:31PM

Mike Sorce Wrote:
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> How long has this survey been available? The FCPS
> website seems to indicate that this is a done deal
> based on a vote at the 7/24 SB meeting.
>
> Oh...Survey Monkey = CRAP!


You have to laugh at he idiots in this school district-they are either corrupt or delusional.

Why bother with a public input survey when they have already made up thier mind? They are so phoney.

They have already cut a check for $500,000 to the seller for a down payment and yet they want to know how we feel about the purchase?

Only one school board member voted against this purchase (Bradsher). The only reason she did is because she is wasting $70 million bucks on the SOCO middle school. She is taking a beating by her West Springfield friends given their school lacks money for renovations. It is all for show-nothing sincere about her vote.

This building will cost over $80 million when it is all over-plus interest!!!!

A huge waste of money.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: TRAILER ()
Date: August 08, 2008 02:20PM

audit the numbers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The numbers presented by FCPS are fraudulent-we
> need an outside part to audit them.
>
> 1. Gatehouse 1 was supposed to save us $20
> million over 33 years, now they say it will save
> us $10 million.
>
> 2. Of this supposed $10 million in savings-$26
> million is due to "staff savings". Basically they
> laid off some people in the Sup's office and are
> passing it off as "consolidation savings".
> Positions like, Cluster Admin asst, payroll clerk,
> etc. How is that related to the consolidation?
>
> 3. They said they would save $5 million in
> telecomm savings-they didn't save anything.
>
>
> 4. They claimed that the travel costs would drop
> from $8 million to $200,000 because the employees
> would not have to drive between the buildings.
> They have not been able to furnish prrof of this.
> A FOIA request on the subject was responded to by
> FCPS with 2 comments-(1) that FCPS could not
> calculate the number and (2) that no travel
> savings have been realized at the division because
> of fuel cost increases.
>
> So we have $10 million in "savings" now back out
> the $26 million from layoffs that are unrelated to
> consolidation and back out $8 million from travel
> costs savings and now we have the actual number:
>
> GATEHOUSE I cost us $24 million dollars!!!!!


ANOTHER CASTLE FOR THE SB AND JACK DALE. WHAT ABOUT THE 15,000 STUDENTS THAT GO TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY IN A RUN DOWN BROKEN TRAILERS THAT HAVE NO REST ROOMS AND NO RUNNING WATER.

LET FCPS WORK OUT OF TRAILERS BEFORE THEY GET ANOTHER DIME.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 08, 2008 03:21PM

FCPS pretends to care Wrote:
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> Mike Sorce Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How long has this survey been available? The
> FCPS
> > website seems to indicate that this is a done
> deal
> > based on a vote at the 7/24 SB meeting.
> >
> > Oh...Survey Monkey = CRAP!
>
>
> You have to laugh at he idiots in this school
> district-they are either corrupt or delusional.
>
> Why bother with a public input survey when they
> have already made up thier mind? They are so
> phoney.
>
> They have already cut a check for $500,000 to the
> seller for a down payment and yet they want to
> know how we feel about the purchase?
>
> Only one school board member voted against this
> purchase (Bradsher). The only reason she did is
> because she is wasting $70 million bucks on the
> SOCO middle school. She is taking a beating by
> her West Springfield friends given their school
> lacks money for renovations. It is all for
> show-nothing sincere about her vote.
>
> This building will cost over $80 million when it
> is all over-plus interest!!!!
>
> A huge waste of money.

They put up a survey for the same reason that they have public hearings, so that they can pretend to care what the public thinks.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 08, 2008 04:04PM

When did Staff EVER put the needs of students ahead of the wants of staff? If staff wants a new, fancy, building, then they shall have it and the heck with the kids in leaky trailers.

Keeping staff happy is the priority of, well, staff. Ourselves first! What bureaucracy doesn't work that way? What government organization doesn't look out for its own first?

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Haven't we had enough? ()
Date: August 08, 2008 04:13PM

Neen Wrote:
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> When did Staff EVER put the needs of students
> ahead of the wants of staff? If staff wants a
> new, fancy, building, then they shall have it and
> the heck with the kids in leaky trailers.
>
> Keeping staff happy is the priority of, well,
> staff. Ourselves first! What bureaucracy doesn't
> work that way? What government organization
> doesn't look out for its own first?


Whyis the School Board so indifferent to the kids and parents?

I honestly don't get this lack of accountability?

How much longer are we going to tolerate this abuse?

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: bus driver ()
Date: August 08, 2008 10:12PM

FCPS is a wonderful organization and I am proud to be part of it.

FCPS staff deserves a decent headquarters facility.

If you want to be outraged, be outraged that 50 million dollars is pissed away every few hours in Iraq. I am.

(And my daughter is there, so don't give me any of that shit)

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Gatehouse 2 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ()
Date: August 08, 2008 10:40PM

The following is what Jack Dale, Staff and the school board get at Gatehouse 2 for 90 million OF YOUR TAX dollars;

LAVISH OFFICE SPACE WITH STYLE AND CLASS.

274,690 SQUARE FEET.

BEAUTIFULLY REMODELED LOBBY, COMMON CORRIDORS AND LOBBIES ON ALL SIX FLOORS.

ABUNDANT FREE SURFACE AND COVERED PARKING.

LARGE CAFETERIA WITH OUTDOOR SEATING.

10,000 SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER.

STATE OF THE ART CONFERENCE CENTER.

FITNESS CENTER WITH SHOWERS AND LOCKER ROOMS.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

THE FOLLOWING IS WHAT THE STUDENTS GET IN FCPS;

1,000 SCHOOL TRAILERS THAT ARE 50 YEARS OLD, THAT ARE FIRE TRAPS, WITH NO TOILETS AND NO RUNNING WATER.

SCHOOLS THAT ARE FALLING APART AND ARE NOT SAFE FOR STUDENTS.


THIS SCHOOL BOARD NEEDS TO GO NOW.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: KeepOnTruckin ()
Date: August 08, 2008 10:47PM

Agreed. Now, call the news stations to get things rolling. FCPS will only go down with bad publicity, and FU.com doesnt quite generate enough.

here ya go:
http://cfc.wjla.com/sendnewstips.cfm ABC 7

NBC: (202) 885-4111 News Tip Line

newswatch@wusa9.com Channel 9



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/08/2008 11:00PM by KeepOnTruckin.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 08, 2008 11:18PM

Haven't we had enough? Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------

> Whyis the School Board so indifferent to the kids
> and parents?

Because they can be. They are democrats know that they will be re elected regardless of what they do. Most people in the county couldn't name their school board rep if a gun was held to their head. They just vote for whoever is on the democrat sample ballot. They do the same for their rep on the board of supervisors. Democrats on the board of supervisors support their democrat friends on the school board. They have no reason to care about the voters when they know that the board of supervisors will always raise taxes to give the school board what they want. Of course democrats support each other. As long as voters don't mind their taxes increasing every year, to support the schools, things will continue as they have been for the last 15+ years, more money for less effective education.

> I honestly don't get this lack of accountability?
They aren't accountable because they have no reason to be. Please see above


> How much longer are we going to tolerate this
> abuse?
As long as the majority in the county vote for democrats on the school board and the board of supervisors.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 08, 2008 11:21PM

bus driver Wrote:
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> FCPS is a wonderful organization and I am proud to
> be part of it.
>
> FCPS staff deserves a decent headquarters
> facility.
>
> If you want to be outraged, be outraged that 50
> million dollars is pissed away every few hours in
> Iraq. I am.
>
> (And my daughter is there, so don't give me any of
> that shit)

Yeah, everyone in this county should be so lucky as to work in a facility like that. But why do taxpayers have to pay for it?

Federal money isn't supporting FCPS. Our county real estate taxes pay for it. If the war in Iraq ended tomorrow, we'd still be stuck with the bill for Gatehouse 2, and the bloated bureaucracy.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: August 08, 2008 11:24PM

bus driver Wrote:
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>
> FCPS staff deserves a decent headquarters
> facility.
>
Why do they deserve it? Because FCPS spends more per pupil with less effectiveness than all but ten counties in Virginia? Because they can only be 35th out of 45 counties in educating Black students, despite spending more money than all but one other county? Perhaps that $50 million should be spent on students who aren't be educated? Why is staff more deserving than poor kids?

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: bus driver ()
Date: August 08, 2008 11:43PM

Neen Wrote:
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> Yeah, everyone in this county should be so lucky
> as to work in a facility like that. But why do
> taxpayers have to pay for it?
>
> Federal money isn't supporting FCPS. Our county
> real estate taxes pay for it. If the war in Iraq
> ended tomorrow, we'd still be stuck with the bill
> for Gatehouse 2, and the bloated bureaucracy.


A lot of people in this county work in FAR nicer buildings than Gatehouse.

I used to clean office buildings at night and I have been in a lot of them. Some of the poshest buildings are those of defense contractors like Nothrop Grumman. Who the fuck do think pays for that? That's right, the U S taxpayer. Banks have some mighty fine buildings too, maybe that's why my meager savings earn .15 % interest.

At least Gatehouse I & II are OWNED by county taxpayers, not by the crooks in some corporate board room!

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: bus driver ()
Date: August 08, 2008 11:51PM

Neen Wrote:
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> Why do they deserve it? Because FCPS spends more
> per pupil with less effectiveness than all but ten
> counties in Virginia? Because they can only be
> 35th out of 45 counties in educating Black
> students, despite spending more money than all but
> one other county? Perhaps that $50 million should
> be spent on students who aren't be educated? Why
> is staff more deserving than poor kids?

They deserve it because the are educated professionals that do a pretty good job of running a great school system. I talk to parents all the time that are thrilled with FCPS. Many of them have lived in places with truly sorry school systems. Is FCPS perfect? Hell no, but it's pretty damned good!

Oh well, I'd love to stay and argue but I don't have a computer at home. I'm babysitting tonight and the parents just got home, so I gotta go!

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: they are justified ()
Date: August 09, 2008 08:01PM

Neen Wrote:
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> About the new Gatehouse building that will cost
> taxpayers over $50 million to make staff happy.

The "10,000 SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER" is definately needed! The staff needs a place to store a copy of the redistricitng thread!!!! The redistriciting thread has brought this on themself.

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Re: Let FCPS know how you feel
Posted by: Gatehouse II vote on 9/18 ()
Date: September 16, 2008 05:13PM

Time to speak up folks!

FCPS is planning on spending $125 million on an office building for staff!!

If they stay in the building where they are the cost is only $100 million.

Basically, the "investment" will cost us $25 million.

Speak up now or stop complaining when your taxes go up next year.

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