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In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: George Mason ()
Date: February 21, 2013 01:01PM

The struggle to convince a state university that a student should pay in-state tuition, rather than out-of-state, is one that many wage but few win in Virginia. But a George Mason University senior, who is also a Navy veteran, won such a battle earlier this month. Now the case is headed to the Virginia Supreme Court, where a victory could smooth the way for ex-soldiers and sailors to pay a lower rate to attend college in the Commonwealth, which is working hard to position itself as a military friendly state.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/george-mason-student-and-navy-veteran-wins-in-state-tuition-case-may-set-va-precedent-for-military/2013/02/21/020e0474-7b9a-11e2-a044-676856536b40_blog.html

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Patrick Henry ()
Date: February 21, 2013 01:10PM

She should not be treated differently than any other OUT-OF-STATE student who moves to VA to attend a state university, i.e., they were not a permanent resident heretofore and should not be considered one when they matriculate.

Northern Virginia has an abundance of transient military families. Once they move and establish residence elsewhere, we citizens of the Commonwealth should not have to subsidize their ruse and intent to relocate solely to take advantage of in-state tuition.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Jess1 ()
Date: February 21, 2013 01:13PM

"She should not be treated differently than any other OUT-OF-STATE student who moves to VA to attend a state university"
??WT??? So she moved to VA eight years ago knowing that she'd enroll @ GMU? Wow, she can really plan ahead...

From the link:
"moved to Charlottesville in 2004... The following year she enlisted in the Navy and was stationed in Norfolk. In 2006 she married another sailor, in Norfolk, and they had a baby, in Portsmouth. The Navy transferred them to Washington state in 2007, and when their service was completed in 2011, they returned to Virginia, in Fairfax."

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Don'TreadOnMe ()
Date: February 21, 2013 01:31PM

If she relinquished her VA place of residence while in Washington state, her prior residence upon moving to VA was Washington state, which has some good colleges. So, poof, be gone on your way to Seattle or Olympia. It's bad enough the OUT-OF-STATE students take up to 45% of the slots at UVA, now we have to pay for out-of-state military families .... she's already on the dole with the GI bill. For heaven's sakes.

If this same person had move to El Salvador instead of Washington and was a different race, then YOU people would GET IT.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Jess1 ()
Date: February 21, 2013 01:35PM

"If she relinquished her VA place of residence while in Washington state"

Except that the link claims she continued to list VA & continued to pay VA state taxes. Face it, this is a GMU "we want lots of out of state students" f-up.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Sharon and Gerry Show ()
Date: February 21, 2013 04:16PM

We lib politicians applaud GMU for punishing American taxpayers in favor of illegals.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Liberal Logic 102 ()
Date: February 21, 2013 06:15PM

Don'TreadOnMe Wrote:
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> If she relinquished her VA place of residence
> while in Washington state, her prior residence
> upon moving to VA was Washington state, which has
> some good colleges. So, poof, be gone on your way
> to Seattle or Olympia. It's bad enough the
> OUT-OF-STATE students take up to 45% of the slots
> at UVA, now we have to pay for out-of-state
> military families .... she's already on the dole
> with the GI bill. For heaven's sakes.
>
> If this same person had move to El Salvador
> instead of Washington and was a different race,
> then YOU people would GET IT.


No serving in the military is not the same as a south american moving to El Salvador even though liberals have more respect for the South American than the service member.

By your logic no military personal should be able to get in state tuition. You have to live somewhere a certain amount of time to get it, if you get transferred or deployed before you get out you wouldnt be able to get it anywhere.

The dumbest part about your whole argument is if they had in state tuition everywhere it would save the government money with the GI bill but that wasnt in the talking points so you cant figure that out

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Douchy Douche loves pat herrity ()
Date: February 21, 2013 06:33PM

What part of this story has anything to do with illegals.

Jesus christ people, repeat after me, its not that fuckin big of a deal.

8.1 million people in Virginia, 200,000 illegal immigrants. I have never seen this many people freak out about fuckin 2.5% of the population. 2.5% of the population is also suffering from depression, of which 10% could be violent.

Go fuckin worry about those 20,000 people. douches

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: rand mcnally ()
Date: February 21, 2013 07:24PM

"8.1 million people in Virginia, 200,000 illegal immigrants"

at least 200,000 in PWC, Fairfax and Arlington. Where did you come up with that lie?

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Dbags R U ()
Date: February 21, 2013 08:02PM

Hahahaha you think that 15% of the population around here is illegal hispanics? Dude you must fuckin live in Annandare or Hoodbridge. Get out more. See all those white people on I-66? Those are not illegals.

My statistics comes from

http://cj-network.org/cj/virginia-resources/latinos-in-virginia

and

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2011/02/01/unauthorized-immigrant-population-brnational-and-state-trends-2010/

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prolly cause the guy that replaced him at his job after he lost it for drinking too much was Hispanic LoLz
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 21, 2013 08:07PM

@Douchy - I cant tell ya where that asswipe came up with that bs

but I can tell you why LoLz
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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Jess1 ()
Date: February 21, 2013 08:15PM

"What part of this story has anything to do with illegals"

Only in the OP's fetid imagination.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Understanding your own stats ()
Date: February 21, 2013 08:41PM

Dbags R U Wrote:
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> Hahahaha you think that 15% of the population
> around here is illegal hispanics? Dude you must
> fuckin live in Annandare or Hoodbridge. Get out
> more. See all those white people on I-66? Those
> are not illegals.
>
> My statistics comes from
>
> http://cj-network.org/cj/virginia-resources/latino
> s-in-virginia
>
> and
>
> http://www.pewhispanic.org/2011/02/01/unauthorized
> -immigrant-population-brnational-and-state-trends-
> 2010/


"Despite the recent decline and leveling off, the number of unauthorized immigrants living in the United States has tripled since 1990, when it was 3.5 million. The size of this population grew by a third since 2000, when was 8.4 million."


Also, Pew's numbers generally underestimate the population since they are based on a fairly simple difference calculation from census data which are suspect to begin with.

"The estimates are produced using a multistage method that subtracts the legal foreign-born population from the total adjusted foreign-born population, with the residual then used as the source of information about unauthorized immigrants. The source of these data is the U.S. Census Bureau’s March Current Population Surveys."

They also don't take into account clustering which has a disproportional effect on specific areas (e.g., NoVA, Tidewater, and individual communities within) so your population percentage estimates would need to be adjusted to better reflect corresponding local populations.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Is this GOP Math ()
Date: February 21, 2013 09:09PM

Understanding your own stats Wrote:
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> Dbags R U Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hahahaha you think that 15% of the population
> > around here is illegal hispanics? Dude you must
> > fuckin live in Annandare or Hoodbridge. Get out
> > more. See all those white people on I-66? Those
> > are not illegals.
> >
> > My statistics comes from
> >
> >
> http://cj-network.org/cj/virginia-resources/latino
>
> > s-in-virginia
> >
> > and
> >
> >
> http://www.pewhispanic.org/2011/02/01/unauthorized
>
> >
> -immigrant-population-brnational-and-state-trends-
>
> > 2010/
>
>
> "Despite the recent decline and leveling off,
> the number of unauthorized immigrants living in
> the United States has tripled since 1990, when it
> was 3.5 million. The size of this population grew
> by a third since 2000, when was 8.4 million."

>
>
> Also, Pew's numbers generally underestimate the
> population since they are based on a fairly simple
> difference calculation from census data which are
> suspect to begin with.
>
> "The estimates are produced using a multistage
> method that subtracts the legal foreign-born
> population from the total adjusted foreign-born
> population, with the residual then used as the
> source of information about unauthorized
> immigrants. The source of these data is the U.S.
> Census Bureau’s March Current Population
> Surveys."
>
> They also don't take into account clustering which
> has a disproportional effect on specific areas
> (e.g., NoVA, Tidewater, and individual communities
> within) so your population percentage estimates
> would need to be adjusted to better reflect
> corresponding local populations.


Yes the data is just skewed, just like the polls were before the election. I forgot how much of an expert you were that you could literally walk around and count how many illegal immigrants you see in an entire state.

Get a life idiot. Want to debate reality, provide your own god damn study. Go, spend the next 2000 hours compiling data asshole. Until then, shut the fuck up. Whether it is off by 2000 or 3000 is irrelevant. There are not 200,000 illegals in Fairfax, PWC, and Loudoun.

There might be 200,000 hispanics, but as I pointed out before, there are 400,000 legal hispanic residents of the commonwealth (a number that is easily tracked because of the census). Your racist ass just cant tell the difference.

Pat Herrity must really love you.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: A Question ()
Date: February 21, 2013 09:33PM

Honest question - I can't reconcile the fact that there are a whole lot of first generation Hispanics in Northern Virginia, most fairly recent, with the contention that most of them are legal - especially knowing how hard it is to come here legally. What am I missing? Truly not a troll post - I'd really like to know.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: el Bullshitter ()
Date: February 21, 2013 09:59PM

Is this GOP Math Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Yes the data is just skewed, just like the polls
> were before the election. I forgot how much of an
> expert you were that you could literally walk
> around and count how many illegal immigrants you
> see in an entire state.


Don't have to. If you actually read and understood what you posted instead of just Goolging up some BS that fits for the moment and pretending that you know wtf you're talking about like all forum dumbshits do, they you'd see that even Pew admits that it's method under counts and why. Or you could look at estimates by places like Montgomery County which consider themselves havens where they actually do attempt harder counts with much higher estimates in terms of percentages of the population. Or look at the FCPS and social services reports when they're looking for money to deal with the impacts if you think that it's so insignificant.


> Get a life idiot. Want to debate reality, provide
> your own god damn study. Go, spend the next 2000
> hours compiling data asshole. Until then, shut the
> fuck up. Whether it is off by 2000 or 3000 is
> irrelevant. There are not 200,000 illegals in
> Fairfax, PWC, and Loudoun.
>
> There might be 200,000 hispanics, but as I pointed
> out before, there are 400,000 legal hispanic
> residents of the commonwealth (a number that is
> easily tracked because of the census). Your racist
> ass just cant tell the difference.
>
> Pat Herrity must really love you.


The 50% was your own number dumbass. lol

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: gordon street ()
Date: February 21, 2013 11:41PM

I love all illegals. The fact that they are driving down home values, increasing the school budget and groping any female in springfield is a small price to pay to celebrate the diversity.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Sane Person ()
Date: February 22, 2013 12:17PM

What the fuck does any of this have to do with whether or not GMU allowed in-state tuition to a Navy veteran? She's an American. She got denied. Take your immigration blather elsewhere.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: You need to get out more ()
Date: February 22, 2013 12:27PM

Sane Person Wrote:
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> What the fuck does any of this have to do with
> whether or not GMU allowed in-state tuition to a
> Navy veteran? She's an American. She got denied.
> Take your immigration blather elsewhere.


"Six bills – two in the Senate and four in the House – seek to change Virginia law so that undocumented immigrants meeting certain criteria would be able to pay in-state college tuition."

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: February 22, 2013 08:28PM

Sane Person Wrote:
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> What the fuck does any of this have to do with
> whether or not GMU allowed in-state tuition to a
> Navy veteran? She's an American. She got denied.
> Take your immigration blather elsewhere.

lol, it is the insanity that is FFXU.

Pretty embarrassing situation for Mason. Any bets this does not go to the Supreme Court now that it hit the paper? They blew it big time, if I was the student I'd offer to shut up for retroactive tuition adjustments and legal fees covered by the school. And maybe free grad school. At UVa.

Check out lead counsel, see a JD? http://gazette.gmu.edu/articles/7826

lol

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The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: Yk9En ()
Date: February 24, 2013 10:20PM

Jess1 Wrote:
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> "If she relinquished her VA place of residence
> while in Washington state"
>
> Except that the link claims she continued to list
> VA & continued to pay VA state taxes. Face it,
> this is a GMU "we want lots of out of state
> students" f-up.

This is especially significant if you note that Washington has no state income tax. If she had adopted Washington residence she could have saved money on her taxes, but she didn't. She lived in Virginia as a civilian before she enlisted, the military transferred her to Washington, she kept paying Virginia taxes, and when she got out she returned to Virginia. This doesn't even seem like a close call.

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Re: In-state tuition for illegals, not veterans
Posted by: GMU alum ()
Date: February 25, 2013 06:06AM

"...relinquished her VA place of residence"

Lol, VA is like the US with taxes when you try to renounce citizenship or if you're an expat. Ask anyone who has moved out-of-state how long Richmond continues to hound them for income taxes. I don't get what the big deal is for GMU, all it would have taken was 12 months anyway for her to be considered a VA resident if she really wasn't one already. And she's married so as soon as her husband files a VA joint return, case closed. Why is GMU spending all of this effort and money on this?

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