Any inside intel on these crazy folks over in Alexandria? Great article today.


Feud over sign could force Fairfax’s Olde Belhaven to sell square
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fairfax-homeowners-group-humbled-by-court-battle-with-residents/2013/02/09/d46f9bec-6652-11e2-93e1-475791032daf_story.html?hpid=z2

Have a similar situation brewing in our HOA. School bus stop has been on the same corner for 25 years. A new owner purchased near the stop, knowing the stop was there. She now wants the stop moved and says she will sue if it is not moved. This is the best location and is long standing. She knew it was there when she purchased. Now she wants it moved to a location near other owners, who purchased their homes long ago. Why should these older owners have this imposed on them when the stop was not near their homes when they purchased? These older owners may also sue the HOA!

Bus stop Wrote:
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> Have a similar situation brewing in our HOA.
> School bus stop has been on the same corner for 25
> years. A new owner purchased near the stop,
> knowing the stop was there. She now wants the stop
> moved and says she will sue if it is not moved.
> This is the best location and is long standing.
> She knew it was there when she purchased. Now she
> wants it moved to a location near other owners,
> who purchased their homes long ago. Why should
> these older owners have this imposed on them when
> the stop was not near their homes when they
> purchased? These older owners may also sue the
> HOA!


First off, I'm glad to see that the HOA got fucked in the end in Alexandria.

Secondly, as far as the bus stop is concerned, are those selected by the county? I don't think an HOA has the authority to change those.

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Where is Olde Belhaven? Google Maps can't find it.

I'd be interested in knowing why the other residents went along with the Belhaven HOA's expensive legal actions? Or were the covenants written in a way that prevented removing board members?

People claim that HOAs are "the ONLY thing" keeping neighborhoods from falling into neglect and ill-conceived paint schemes/lawn ornaments. Not true. Anyone who purchases property usually has some interest in maintaining the property so the value does not decline.

But...the Farrans featured in the article were very stubborn/arrogant to destroy the community atmosphere and drain the funds. Seems like they'd be rather difficult people to live with. If they did not want to follow rules and be respectful of others, then they should have purchased a residence with more elbow room around them.

Nice looking place: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Golf+Course+Square,+Alexandria,+VA&hl=en&ll=38.780333,-77.057354&spn=0.008364,0.014892&sll=38.003385,-79.420925&sspn=4.327987,7.624512&oq=golf+course+sq&hnear=Golf+Course+Square,+Alexandria,+Virginia+22307&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.780241,-77.058701&panoid=-4RfZUZt9izpJggVRjtKRw&cbp=12,79.32,,0,0

Same thing happened in Reston at Shadowood condos except in this case, it was the government that sued the condo and bankrupted the condo.

I heard that Shadowood, one step above a slum as it is and with already outrageous condo dues north of $600 a month, will be doubling its dues to cover the damage that the county government did.

The board president apparently sent an email to the residents confirming that it's a crime ridden slum and told the residents that they should install bars on their windows --- that's pretty damning when the board president makes that sort of statement to the residents.

Can you believe that that government would do that? I will never, ever, own property under an HOA!

The lawsuit cost more than $500,000 is what a former owner was reporting to the press.

Sounds like both sides were unreasonable and unwilling to compromise, but the HOA was the worse of the two. You just know that the kerfuffle over the Obama sign had nothing to do with it's dimensions. If the Republicans in that community didn't like it, too bad ('It will hurt our property values' - lol).

Too many big egos, too little concern about the impact of their decisions on the community. A microcosm of our current political situation.

hoap Wrote:
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> Where is Olde Belhaven? Google Maps can't find it.

These are the houses on Belle Haven across from the Belle Haven Country Club.

breaking news: HOAs can destroy a community if they waste time, $$$ and effort in dumb ass shit. Also Water is wet.

on a side note, ROFLMAO at the fact there are like almost two THOUSAND comments on that HOA article in the post......................compare that to only nineteen comments about the 14 year old strangling his 9 yr old sister in Montgomery County.

I read the story and the Farrans appear to be a couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign that was a few inches smaller?

@HOA fan - flip side of that is the HOA could have simply let them have the damn signs and just made up some stupid pissant fee for the extra size. NOT. ROCKET SCIENCE. Seems to me the HOA wiped its own ass out cause it was too bust trying to be "THE MAN" instead of working WITH it's residents instead of AGAINST them...............

This seems to be a battle of losers. HOA's a usually full of little Nazi dickheads and it's always good to see them get butthurt.

The couple in the Post article seem like dickheads as well. It'd be nice to see them astrocized by their neighbors to the point that they have to move.

Lose/Lose. The desired outcome we should all hope for when a battle of losers takes place.

@I know - tru that. But then again, this is Fairfax County so it's not like an HOA shouldn't know how to deal with dickheads without shooting the ENTIRE community in the foot - that's kinda their job - to be ABOVE it all. If yr ACTING better than everyone else and you have the authority to be "better" than everyone else, then you gotta BE better than everyone else. And Belle Havens HOA failed on that, plain and simple.

But to be honest, the REAL lesson learned is that its really stupid to live east of Rt 1 LoLz

edit- man, I need to learn how to "speel" LoLz



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Pretty fucking funny. Egos can be a bitch. The townhouses are not very appealing either.

This community has private roads so the HOA controls the bust stop locations.

Only losers and infidels live in communities presided over by HOA's.
My home is protected by the second amendment.

Freedom. Wrote:
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> Only losers and infidels live in communities
> presided over by HOA's.
> My home is protected by the second amendment.

Where u live?

Southeast DC

"I read the story and the Farrans appear to be a couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign that was a few inches smaller?"

No, asshole, the HOA destroyed themselves with an asinine legal battle over a political yard sign that was going to come down after the election anyway. It's anal-retentive assholes like you who make HOA-run communities a nightmare for normal people to live in.

Stupid is as stupid does. Wrote:
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> Pretty fucking funny. Egos can be a bitch. The
> townhouses are not very appealing either.


Totally agree with you. The idea that the value of your townhouse would be damaged by your neighbor putting up a yard sign once every four years in support of a mainstream Presidential candidate is just asinine.

It's like arguing that a trailer park's cachet is being harmed by a trailer with raised white letter tires -- a clear violation of the Trailer Owners' Association covenant requiring black wall tires.

I have to wonder if the furor was due to which candidate the Farrans were supporting -- whether this same level of anger and vitriole would have been present had the sign said McCain/Palin.

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> But then again, this is
> Fairfax County so it's not like an HOA shouldn't
> know how to deal with dickheads

How the hell is it being a "dickhead" to display a standard-size yard sign for a Presidential candidate in the front yard of your own home?

The dickheads were the ones running the HOA who spent the last four years clenching their sphincters over a long-gone yard sign.

Did you read the article? It wasn't just about the sign. The HOA had a secret meeting where they changed the rules so they could add fines and liens. They tried to fine the Farrans when they took the sign down and made it into two smaller conforming signs. They then refused to allow them to redo the roof and their deck. It sounds like the

You can blame the Farrans all you want but the court found that the HOA was overstepping their authority.

Fred M. Wrote:
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> "I read the story and the Farrans appear to be a
> couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a
> fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign
> that was a few inches smaller?"
>
> No, asshole, the HOA destroyed themselves with an
> asinine legal battle over a political yard sign
> that was going to come down after the election
> anyway. It's anal-retentive assholes like you who
> make HOA-run communities a nightmare for normal
> people to live in.

Let's be absolutely clear about this: it was Don Hughes and the Board of the Olde Belhaven Homeowners Association who bankrupted the association by violating the law and voting themselves the authority to fine homeowners where they had none, then vindictively dismissing the Farrans' application to modify their roof and deck.

The Board acted stupidly and picked the wrong fight with the wrong people; people who weren't willing to back down and had the resources to fight a protracted legal battle. The Board ran that ship aground, the Farrans were just the rock they chose to do it against.

The only tragedy is that the board members who undertook this idiotic battle can't be held personally responsible for their stupidity and arrogance. Maybe if they'd had some skin in the game they would have chosen their fights a little more wisely.

Why would anyone buy property in this place? It's doomed!

LEpKM Wrote:
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> Freedom. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Only losers and infidels live in communities
> > presided over by HOA's.
> > My home is protected by the second amendment.
>
> Where u live?

In a house in a subdivision in Fairfax County.
Older houses that are well maintained without a HOA.
No townhouses or condos. When the neighbors get together it's to build a deck or patio to have cocktails. The only disputes are about who will win a game, the biggest fish or who has the largest breasts. We don't consider each other neighbors but friends. Every house is differant and unique. Like people.
When we have a block party, we have a BLOCK PARTY.

Thanks to the Petty Power HOA cannibalizing itself, that "town square" or whatever it is they had to sell is going to become a hangout for crack dealers and junkies. There won't be anything they can do! They'll just have to embrace it--like they should have done with a campaign sign that would have been gone in a few short weeks. Laughable.

...like the Farrah's found FFU.

They Did it to Themselves Wrote:
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> Let's be absolutely clear about this: it was Don
> Hughes and the Board of the Olde Belhaven
> Homeowners Association who bankrupted the
> association by violating the law and voting
> themselves the authority to fine homeowners where
> they had none, then vindictively dismissing the
> Farrans' application to modify their roof and
> deck.
>
> The Board acted stupidly and picked the wrong
> fight with the wrong people; people who weren't
> willing to back down and had the resources to
> fight a protracted legal battle. The Board ran
> that ship aground, the Farrans were just the rock
> they chose to do it against.
>
> The only tragedy is that the board members who
> undertook this idiotic battle can't be held
> personally responsible for their stupidity and
> arrogance. Maybe if they'd had some skin in the
> game they would have chosen their fights a little
> more wisely.


THIS.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Looks... Wrote:
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> ...like the Farrah's found FFU.


+1 +1 +1 +1

Life's been good so far. Wrote:
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> LEpKM Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Freedom. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Only losers and infidels live in communities
> > > presided over by HOA's.
> > > My home is protected by the second amendment.
> >
> > Where u live?
>
> In a house in a subdivision in Fairfax County.
> Older houses that are well maintained without a
> HOA.
> No townhouses or condos. When the neighbors get
> together it's to build a deck or patio to have
> cocktails. The only disputes are about who will
> win a game, the biggest fish or who has the
> largest breasts. We don't consider each other
> neighbors but friends. Every house is differant
> and unique. Like people.
> When we have a block party, we have a BLOCK PARTY.

Come on --- details -- I wanna move there TOMORROW...

I found some nicer ones in Mclean (Franklin Park I think it's called) but they are out of my price range. I can afford about $500k.

TY!

Looks... Wrote:
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> ...like the Farrah's found FFU.


Based on their pic in the WaPo, they are borderline down's syndrome. Doubt they could find this place if you spotted them everything but the 'm' at the end of the url.

Belhaven Asylum Wrote:
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> Looks... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...like the Farrah's found FFU.
>
>
> Based on their pic in the WaPo, they are
> borderline down's syndrome. Doubt they could find
> this place if you spotted them everything but the
> 'm' at the end of the url.

Now now now --- but how do they have the nads to stand there and pose? Have the no shame? We know they have money, but still!

These homeowners sound obnoxious and arrogant. I am sure they read the bylaws before they purchased this home. If they don't like following rules they should have found somewhere else to live.
Onetime someone in my townhouse neighborhood painted their front door bright pink. We had a colonial color only rule. There was a fight for them to change to a colonial color. Sometimes this is why you need rules.
This neighborhood sounds like it was lovely before with their neighborhood square.
figures, it takes a lawyer to ruin and bankrupt the neighborhood. shame on them!!

The other homeowners should get together and sue the Farrans AND the Board of Directors as individuals, because BOTH their actions caused the loss. Then watch them destroy each other.

Meanwhile, I might look into buying the square and put a big fence around it.

Had not the lawyer been living there this would have been quickly solved.

Just another example of what the members of the law profession bring to society.

Trained to argue and be aggressive - pit bulls of the human race.

They should be regulated.

uR_write Wrote:
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> Had not the lawyer been living there this would
> have been quickly solved.
>
> Just another example of what the members of the
> law profession bring to society.
>
> Trained to argue and be aggressive - pit bulls of
> the human race.
>
> They should be regulated.

Interestingly enough, lawyers, in VA at least, are the only self-regulated "professionals." Go figure!

The most sensible contribution yet.

FFX resdient Wrote:
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> I
> am sure they read the bylaws before they purchased
> this home.

So what? People are supposed to use some common sense and recognize that it's okay to break the rules now and then -- that a Presidential election happens once every four years and a stupid HOA bylaw should not prevent a person from expressing their support with a normal-sized yard sign.


> Onetime someone in my townhouse neighborhood
> painted their front door bright pink.

Oh my God! And to think that people are getting all worked up about the shooting in Newtown when things like that are happening right in our own neighborhoods.

> We had a colonial color only rule. There was a fight for
> them to change to a colonial color. Sometimes this
> is why you need rules.

This is why you need coal. You and the rest of the "colonial color only" people could shove it up your butts and shit diamonds when you get sphincter-constricted after seeing a non-approved color in your neighborhood.

Yes, common sense goes both ways - knowingly bankrupt your HOA seems to be a little bit over the line as far as I can see.

These 2 people have caused significant damage to many good folks and they continue to live in their midst.

Hope they are happy sitting in their home knowing that their neighbors hate them through and through.

Fred M. Wrote:
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> "I read the story and the Farrans appear to be a
> couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a
> fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign
> that was a few inches smaller?"
>
> No, asshole, the HOA destroyed themselves with an
> asinine legal battle over a political yard sign
> that was going to come down after the election
> anyway. It's anal-retentive assholes like you who
> make HOA-run communities a nightmare for normal
> people to live in.


No asshole, the HOA had a set of rules and these people signed up to them. Then they decided they were exempt from the rules.
BTW, I read the WaPo story and nobody else appeared to have any issues with the HOA until Mr. and Mrs. Cunt moved in. And then nothing but trouble and lawsuits.

Oh yes, it’s the nasty HOAs fault that’s why these are the only people with an issue.

What a stupid prick you are.

A group of us are about to sue our HOA board... all because they won't let us put a picnic table near the tennis courts.

HOA Fan,

You're the idiot - I was not supporting these assholes - the deal is they are in the wrong and using the courts to enable their cause.

I am in favor of keeping your neighborhood free of the vermin that can cause you loss of value to your property! Just keep things in perspective!

Community without HOA is possible - just take a role and responsibility.

Hey_HOA_Fan Wrote:
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> HOA Fan,
>
> You're the idiot - I was not supporting these
> assholes - the deal is they are in the wrong and
> using the courts to enable their cause.
>
> I am in favor of keeping your neighborhood free of
> the vermin that can cause you loss of value to
> your property! Just keep things in perspective!
>
> Community without HOA is possible - just take a
> role and responsibility.


OK. Seems reasonable to me :)

Stupid is as stupid does. Wrote:
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> Pretty fucking funny. Egos can be a bitch. The
> townhouses are not very appealing either.

Money can't buy love. Drove by there today and starting to look a little worn.

All this over a sign for Obama. Ugh. What a was of time, money, and energy.

So they went ahead and put a new roof and deck on, good luck with recoupoing that money!!
Sad that every owner there is now sitting on property that will be almost impossible to sell.

fmaxwell Wrote:
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>
> How the hell is it being a "dickhead" to display a
> standard-size yard sign for a Presidential
> candidate in the front yard of your own home?
>
> The dickheads were the ones running the HOA who
> spent the last four years clenching their
> sphincters over a long-gone yard sign.

whoa! S/he was calling ME a dickhead, dickhead. He/she was also pointing out how they everyone involved was being dickheadish about all this, not really picking sides at all - you need a cup of "calm down", yo...............

And those two dufesses(sp) had their own monthly HOA fees go from $600 to $3,500 - I think that in its self says these people were crazy!

@eggs -

Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 10, 2013 12:24PM

.......................But to be honest, the REAL lesson learned is that its really stupid to live east of Rt 1 LoLz



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bunch of asshats in that neighborhood

HOA Fan Wrote:
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> No asshole, the HOA had a set of rules and these
> people signed up to them. Then they decided they
> were exempt from the rules.

Political free speech is more important than some HOA rules put in place by impotent little Napoleon-complex asshats like you.

> BTW, I read the WaPo story and nobody else
> appeared to have any issues with the HOA until Mr.
> and Mrs. Cunt moved in. And then nothing but
> trouble and lawsuits.

They had to deal with anal-retentive, limp-dick pricks like you. That's where the trouble started. Want to avoid trouble and lawsuits? Don't fuck with people for putting up a normal political yard sign. Don't try to make up new rules to fine them $900. Don't fuck with them when they want to put up a perfectly acceptable deck on their own property.

> Oh yes, it’s the nasty HOAs fault that’s why
> these are the only people with an issue.
>
> What a stupid prick you are.

You calling anyone a "stupid prick" is like Casey Anthony calling someone a bad mom.

Hey_HOA_Fan Wrote:
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> I am in favor of keeping your neighborhood free of
> the vermin that can cause you loss of value to
> your property!

Really? Someone who puts up a standard-issue yard sign for a Presidential candidate is a type of "vermin"? Do you even recognize the level of crazy you've reached?

HOA Fan Wrote:
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> Fred M. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "I read the story and the Farrans appear to be
> a
> > couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a
> > fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign
> > that was a few inches smaller?"
> >
> > No, asshole, the HOA destroyed themselves with
> an
> > asinine legal battle over a political yard sign
> > that was going to come down after the election
> > anyway. It's anal-retentive assholes like you
> who
> > make HOA-run communities a nightmare for normal
> > people to live in.
>
>
> No asshole, the HOA had a set of rules and these
> people signed up to them. Then they decided they
> were exempt from the rules.
> BTW, I read the WaPo story and nobody else
> appeared to have any issues with the HOA until Mr.
> and Mrs. Cunt moved in. And then nothing but
> trouble and lawsuits.
>
> Oh yes, it’s the nasty HOAs fault that’s why
> these are the only people with an issue.
>
> What a stupid prick you are.


Why don't you re-read the story fucktard. The problem is that the HOA met in secret to amend the HOA rules to give them police-like powers to arbitrarily fine residents up to $900.

The signs weren't a big deal. The problems was the unprecedented power grab, followed by retaliatory acts of denying permission for home improvement.

Fucking moron.

HOA Fan Wrote:
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> I read the story and the Farrans appear to be a
> couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a
> fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign
> that was a few inches smaller?


You're stupid.

HOA Fan Wrote:
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> I read the story and the Farrans appear to be a
> couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a
> fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign
> that was a few inches smaller?


Sounds to me that the HOA president was the asshole. The board could have easily looked the other way. how long does a political sign stay up? Six weeks at the most. But no they had to make an issue of it and their actions caused a law suit.

tyrone II Wrote:
>
> Why don't you re-read the story fucktard. The
> problem is that the HOA met in secret to amend the
> HOA rules to give them police-like powers to
> arbitrarily fine residents up to $900.
>
> The signs weren't a big deal. The problems was
> the unprecedented power grab, followed by
> retaliatory acts of denying permission for home
> improvement.
>
> Fucking moron.


Look stupid, the litmus test in this story is the reaction of their neighbors. If they were all applauding the outcome, we could take comfort in David beating Goliath.

But since the neighbors are all backing up the HOA then it appears its these people who are the unreasonable assholes.

Idiot.

James Wrote:
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> HOA Fan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I read the story and the Farrans appear to be a
> > couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a
> > fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign
> > that was a few inches smaller?
>
>
> Sounds to me that the HOA president was the
> asshole. The board could have easily looked the
> other way. how long does a political sign stay
> up? Six weeks at the most. But no they had to
> make an issue of it and their actions caused a law
> suit.


Same as above ... the litmus test in this story is the reaction of their neighbors. Since the neighbors are all backing up the HOA then it appears its that the Farrans are the assholes, not the HOA.

sdfasdfadsf Wrote:
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>
> You're stupid.


I'm smart enough to know that if the all neighbors tell the WaPo that the HOA was right ands the Farrans were wrong ... well then guess what?

Yes, somebody is stupid here but its not me.

"My neighbor was taken back one afternoon when I told him it was a violation for working on his car in the driveway. I relayed our board's feelings that we felt it was unbecoming for residents of Bushwood to be seen engaged in such proletarian pursuits. He looked at me with such contempt that I couldn't help but feel a little shame. I told him not to worry however, and that I would ensure him an early appointment at anyone of my dealerships in town. What a pity."

The HOA lost in court and lost their court over a temporary poster.
Just like this poster. It's only money and the fine folks of Fairfax County have lots of it. I think this whole thing is hilarious.
I would never live in a community that is governed by house nazis. Pretty silly when you seriously think about it.
Tomorrow I might paint my house pink in support. Or red, green or oh well bed time and tomorrow is well....now

I do not get much appreciation at work, they don't give me authority over anyone. It's just so satisfying when I go home, I do my daily patrolling checking for violations. I really enjoy paying a monthly fee so people can tell me what I can't do.

HOA Fan Wrote:

> I'm smart enough to know that if the all neighbors
> tell the WaPo that the HOA was right ands the
> Farrans were wrong ... well then guess what?

No need to guess: The courts decided who was right.

The Farrans won. The idiotic HOA lost, went bankrupt doing it, and quadrupled the HOA fees to every resident to cover the cost.

The logical fallacy that you tried to use is called "Argumentum ad populum" (AKA appeal to the majority), where a proposition is claimed to be true because many people believe it to be so.

> Yes, somebody is stupid here but its not me.

The facts would indicate otherwise. See above.



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HOA Fan Wrote:

> Same as above ... the litmus test in this story is
> the reaction of their neighbors. Since the
> neighbors are all backing up the HOA then it
> appears its that the Farrans are the assholes, not
> the HOA.

I guess you think that the first black people to move into a white neighborhood were the assholes because the neighbors were all backing the HOA and it's covenants that prohibited the sale of property to blacks.

HOAs have a long, ugly history of discrimination and I, for one, would be very interested in how many of those fighting the Farrans voted for McCain and whether they would have turned a blind eye to an out-of-spec McCain/Palin sign.

fmaxwell Wrote:
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> HOA Fan Wrote:
>
> > Same as above ... the litmus test in this story
> is
> > the reaction of their neighbors. Since the
> > neighbors are all backing up the HOA then it
> > appears its that the Farrans are the assholes,
> not
> > the HOA.
>
> I guess you think that the first black people to
> move into a white neighborhood were the assholes
> because the neighbors were all backing the HOA and
> it's covenants that prohibited the sale of
> property to blacks.
>
> HOAs have a long, ugly history of discrimination
> and I, for one, would be very interested in how
> many of those fighting the Farrans voted for
> McCain and whether they would have turned a blind
> eye to an out-of-spec McCain/Palin sign.

It's pretty ignorant to think that the dispute was caused by politics. Belhaven is a democrap strong hold. The dispute was over the power hungry dbags of the HOA, not Obama and his shitty job as president.

Tyron II Wrote:

> It's pretty ignorant to think that the dispute was
> caused by politics. Belhaven is a democrap strong
> hold. The dispute was over the power hungry dbags
> of the HOA, not Obama and his shitty job as
> president.

You don't know shit about what the politics of the people complaining about the sign, do you, asshole?

Here's the then-President, Jim LeBlanc of the HOA:

LEBLANC, JIM MR.
ALEXANDRIA, VA 22307
AMERICAN-KUWAITI ALLIANCE

MCCAIN, JOHN S.
VIA JOHN MCCAIN 2008 INC.
08/09/2007 $500.00 28930056284
02/19/2008 $200.00 28991224178

See that 22307? That's the ZIP Code of Old Belhaven.

And here's how he funneled contributions through the businesses he ran:

LEBLANC, JIM
FALLS CHURCH, VA 22041
UNITY RESOURCES GROUP/BUSINESSMAN

ROMNEY, MITT / RYAN, PAUL D.
VIA ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC.
10/23/2011 $500.00 12952881885

Total Contributions: $1200.00

Joint Fundraising Contributions

These are contributions to committees who are raising funds to be distributed to other committees. The breakdown of these contributions to their final recipients may appear below

LEBLANC, JIM
FALLS CHURCH, VA 22041
J. LEBLANC INTERNATIONAL LLC

ROMNEY VICTORY INC
08/14/2012 $400.00 12961054526

LEBLANC, JIM MR.
FALLS CHURCH, VA 22041
J. LEBLANC INTERNATIONAL LLC

ROMNEY VICTORY INC
10/24/2012 $400.00 12941237589

Total Joint Fundraising: $800.00

Recipient of Joint Fundraiser Contributions

These are the Final Recipients of Joint Fundraising Contributions

LEBLANC, JIM
FALLS CHURCH, VA 22041
J. LEBLANC INTERNATIONAL LLC

ROMNEY, MITT / RYAN, PAUL D.
VIA ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC.
08/14/2012 $400.00 12953073991

LEBLANC, JIM MR.
FALLS CHURCH, VA 22041
J. LEBLANC INTERNATIONAL LLC

ROMNEY, MITT / RYAN, PAUL D.
VIA ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC.
10/24/2012 $400.00 12963835692

Recipient Total: $800.00

Here's another clue for you, from the WaPo article:

> In one case, board member Don Hughes compared
> some residents’ refusal to install window-pane
> dividers to the “cat and mouse game Saddam
> Hussein played with the USA,” e-mails show.
> Ultimately, Hussein “paid the price,” he said,
> concluding that the residents should comply.

That reeks of G.W. Bush supporter.

And your comment about Obama just reeks of Rush Limbaugh levels of ignorance. Look at the stock market, Osama Bin Laden, GM, and the banking sector if you want to see examples of how Obama has been doing.

fmaxwell

My fucking god, get a hobby. If you spent as much time working at your job and career as you do whining and crying on the internet, you'd probably be a millionaire. Typical crybaby liberal.

@fmax - soooo +1... LoLz.... great find and search skills
@Shaquita - see report below... LoLz....

pic unrelated

Shaquita Wrote:
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> fmaxwell
>
> My fucking god, get a hobby. If you spent as much
> time working at your job and career as you do
> whining and crying on the internet, you'd probably
> be a millionaire. Typical crybaby liberal.


DAMN GOP GOT OWNED ONCE AGAIN!

Again, the lawyers win.

There are so many lawyers we should really start taxing them more.

I'd like to propose a "by the word" tax on all these bloodsucking jerkoffs who couldn't find anything beneficial to apply their talents. .0001% of their total salary for every word they commit to paper.

Did I just save the world?

The problem Atoms is that behind every lawyers are bad story there is some client making a mountain out of a molehill or trying to shift the blame for their injury or hurt onto another so that they can make a pile of money or further their agenda.

This situation came down to two groups having a pissing contest, pure and simple. If the solution was to have a duel rather than going to court, one would have shown up with an RPG and the other a flamethrower.

First time I'd advocate for the weapons.

Lawyers enable and profit off this kind of behavior. Like I said, it would be better if you used your talents elsewhere.

We need to take punitive measures to reduce the amount of lawyers, the amount of lawyering and this general behavior.

Hell, we could use the rediculously profits from the "buy the word tax" to retrain you all to be productive members of society.



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Shaquita Wrote:
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> fmaxwell
>
> My fucking god, get a hobby.

Smacking down Tea Tards is a hobby -- it's not like you can get paid for something that easy. But I have too many other hobbies already (RC aircraft, electronics, motorcycling, astronomy, high-end audio, computers, etc.).

> If you spent as much
> time working at your job and career as you do
> whining and crying on the internet,

Looks to me like you're doing the whining and crying here. I provided facts and you whined and cried because I posted them.

> you'd probably be a millionaire.

I am.

> Typical crybaby liberal.

I'm not crying. I'm gloating. A bunch of right-wing assholes in the HOA just got owned by an Obama supporter.

Eastcounty Wrote:
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> This situation came down to two groups having a
> pissing contest, pure and simple.

I'll respectfully disagree. This was a family having to fight for their basic free speech and property rights

The Farran family put a standard Obama-for-President yard sign on their own property. It wasn't hurting anyone or driving down property values (an asinine claim if ever there was one). But the HOA sent letters threatening to put a lien on their home if they did not remove the sign.

The HOA voted themselves the right to fine the Farran family $900. Then, when the Farran family wanted to improve their property with roof and deck projects, the vindictive members of the HOA arranged a secret meeting just for the purpose of voting to disapprove the projects.

I'm glad that the Farrans stood up against this kind of persecution.

Any thinking person would have to wonder if this whole thing was politically motivated and whether it would have happened at all had the Farrans put up a McCain yard sign.



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Shaquita Wrote:
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> fmaxwell
>
> My fucking god, get a hobby. If you spent as much
> time working at your job and career as you do
> whining and crying on the internet, you'd probably
> be a millionaire. Typical crybaby liberal.

+1 +1 +1 +1

curious that the people charged with protecting property values (HOA) have managed to make the place toxic and worth less. I cannot imagine anyone buying in there with this crap going on.

7PDVP Wrote:
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> Shaquita Wrote:
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> > fmaxwell
> >
> > My fucking god, get a hobby. If you spent as
> much
> > time working at your job and career as you do
> > whining and crying on the internet, you'd
> probably
> > be a millionaire. Typical crybaby liberal.
>
> +1 +1 +1 +1

Nope. It was already decided that I won long before you weighed in with your word-free post:

> @fmax - soooo +1... LoLz.... great find and search skills

and

> DAMN GOP GOT OWNED ONCE AGAIN!

Two sides to every story but it looks like a few HOA bullies decided to pick on someone who had the time, knowledge and money to say "I dont think so". My experience has been that those on the board for more than a few years get like our U.S. Congress, they dont bother listening to the rest of us, they push their own agenda and begin making their own rules. I enjoyed this story because I will be going head to head with an HOA that thinks they can invent new rules that we did not see in the original packet when we purchased the home. Life is about compromise but some people just cant embrace it.

Hmm. Let's see; Fed Lawyer vs. Fed Lawyer. Nah, that's not why it's a cluster*****....

HOA Fan Wrote:
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> I read the story and the Farrans appear to be a
> couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a
> fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign
> that was a few inches smaller?

Yeah, typical dems... (ref: sign subject matter)

Great job, fmaxwell! Thanks for exposing the underlying dynamic, which was actually pretty evident to everyone except these deniers. Typical right wingers using bullying and intimidation to get their way. It's a shame these neo-nazis had to bankrupt the entire community to make a point.

sic semper tyranis Wrote:
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> Two sides to every story but it looks like a few
> HOA bullies decided to pick on someone who had the
> time, knowledge and money to say "I dont think
> so". My experience has been that those on the
> board for more than a few years get like our U.S.
> Congress, they dont bother listening to the rest
> of us, they push their own agenda and begin
> making their own rules. I enjoyed this story
> because I will be going head to head with an HOA
> that thinks they can invent new rules that we did
> not see in the original packet when we purchased
> the home. Life is about compromise but some people
> just cant embrace it.

Most HOA's CAN create new rules --- the authority to do so is usually stated in the bylaws or declaration, so be careful what you do and read before do anything more.

For example:

§ 55-79.80:2. Assessment of charges for violations; suspension of services for
failure to pay assessments; hearing.
A. The unit owners’ association shall have the power, to the extent the condominium
instruments *** or rules duly adopted pursuant thereto expressly so provide ***, to (i) suspend a unit
owner’s right to use facilities or services, including utility services, provided directly
through the unit owners’ association for nonpayment of assessments which are more than 60
days past due, to the extent that access to the unit through the common elements is not
precluded and provided that such suspension shall not endanger the health, safety, or
property of any unit owner, tenant, or occupant and (ii) assess charges against any unit
owner for any violation of the condominium instruments or of the rules or regulations
promulgated pursuant thereto for which such unit owner or his family members, tenants,
guests or other invitees are responsible.

And the $900 comes from the law:

B. Before any such suspension or charges may be imposed, the unit owner shall be given an
opportunity to be heard and to be represented by counsel before the executive organ or such
other tribunal as the condominium instruments or rules duly adopted pursuant thereto
specify.
Notice of such hearing, including the charges or other sanctions that may be imposed, shall,
at least 14 days in advance thereof, be hand delivered or mailed by registered or certified
United States mail, return receipt requested, to such unit owner at the address or addresses
required for notices of meetings pursuant to § 55-79.75. Within seven days of the hearing,
the hearing result shall be hand delivered or mailed by registered or certified mail, return
receipt requested, to such unit owner at the address required for notices of meetings pursuant
to § 55-79.75.
The amount of any charges so assessed shall not exceed $50 for a single offense, or *** $10 per
diem for any offense of a continuing nature, and shall be treated as an assessment against
such unit owner’s condominium unit for the purpose of § 55-79.84. However, the total
charges for any offense of a continuing nature shall not be assessed for a period exceeding
90 days. ***

fmaxwell Wrote:
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> Eastcounty Wrote:
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> > This situation came down to two groups having a
> > pissing contest, pure and simple.
>
> I'll respectfully disagree. This was a family
> having to fight for their basic free speech and
> property rights


And the HOA Nazis were just trying to enforce a content neutral rule designed to prevent (whatever blight you might perceive arises out of oversized signs). Not saying the Farrans don't have a point, but this is how most pissing contests get started. One side starts standing on its rights which causes the other to stand on its and so on until they end up with a major fight over an extremely petty issue.

HOA could have let the sign issue slide because it sounds like the violation was minimal. They could also have said "YOUR SIGN IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CCRs AND MUST BE TAKEN DOWN BY (5 days after the election)" to preserve the rule but still avoided a fight. Farrans could have replaced their oversized sign with a smaller one. HOA could have recognized ripping the sign in half as technical compliance rather than a giant FU, which you have to admit it was. Farrans could have then said "Tell you what. We'll put up a smaller sign if you drop the fine". Then when each side went running for lawyers the lawyers could have told their clients "Are you out of your mind. You're going to spend money fighting over THIS?"

The neighbors are closer to the problem than you and its clear what their call was: the Farrans are pieces of shit.

Face it you idiot: you lose.

red state Wrote:
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> HOA Fan Wrote:
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> > I read the story and the Farrans appear to be a
> > couple of assholes. Wiped out their HOA over a
> > fucking sign. Couldn't they have put up a sign
> > that was a few inches smaller?
>
> Yeah, typical dems... (ref: sign subject matter)

So when the typical Republicans won't bend an inch on things like assault weapons and extended clips, that's just them standing up for the Second Amendment. But when Democrats stand up for the First Amendment by not putting up smaller, harder to read, political yard signs, they are "assholes." You Tea Tards really have a fucked up view of what America is all about.



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HOA Fan Wrote:
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> The neighbors are closer to the problem than you
> and its clear what their call was: the Farrans
> are pieces of shit.
>
> Face it you idiot: you lose.

Again, you calling me an idiot is like Casey Anthony calling someone else a bad mom.

The neighbors in the 1950s were "closer to the problem" when the first black family moved into their neighborhood. They had all kinds of offensive words to describe the black family. But it doesn't mean they were right.

fmaxxwell is the winner of this thread.

Eastcounty Wrote:

> And the HOA Nazis were just trying to enforce a
> content neutral rule designed to prevent (whatever
> blight you might perceive arises out of oversized
> signs).

The blight perceived had nothing to do with the size of the sign and everything to do with the candidate named on the sign. The HOA President was an ardent McCain supporter to the tune of hundreds of dollars of donations and he was going to do whatever he could to get the Obama signs taken down. Come on: Everyone in that neighborhood knew that the signs were of the most temporary nature and had no effect on property values.

Fighting for free speech, due process, and property rights seems a bit more reputable than fighting for the right of an HOA to use secret meetings and rules changes to exact revenge on a couple who displayed a standard size yard sign.

Democrat or republican...who cares? The Farrah's still look borderline Down's Syndrome and seem like total douches in the WaPo article and HOA's are instruments of the devil usually run by little Nazi asswipes. A pox on all their houses and may all of them be miserable. Their politics have nothing to do with this except for the hyperventilating partisans on either side in this thread. What a bunch of fools and sheeple. You play the useful idiot role well.


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PmbDd Wrote:

> Most HOA's CAN create new rules --- the authority
> to do so is usually stated in the bylaws or
> declaration, so be careful what you do and read
> before do anything more.

But there are limits, as the court decisions showed. The HOA can't create an very high fine just to exact revenge on one couple. They can't hold secret, unannounced meetings at which they vote down home improvements based on their dislike of specific homeowners.

This is hilarious. The stupidity of both parties and the aftermath.
And the ignorance of the homeowners to allow the HOA to escalate the silly fight into bankruptcy. I'm inclined to agree with the Farrans but mature individuals would have laughed it off 3 years ago. They won in court but no one will be able to sell now.
People behaving badly.
And fucking silly.

Um have you seen lower income neighborhoods without HOAs? Although personally I still put more value in letting the neighbors do with there place as they please and myself doing as I please as long as they aren't doing it on my property.


HOAs stink Wrote:
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> People claim that HOAs are "the ONLY thing"
> keeping neighborhoods from falling into neglect
> and ill-conceived paint schemes/lawn ornaments.
> Not true. Anyone who purchases property usually
> has some interest in maintaining the property so
> the value does not decline.
>
> But...the Farrans featured in the article were
> very stubborn/arrogant to destroy the community
> atmosphere and drain the funds. Seems like they'd
> be rather difficult people to live with. If they
> did not want to follow rules and be respectful of
> others, then they should have purchased a
> residence with more elbow room around them.

Non-partisan Partisan Wrote:

> Democrat or republican...who cares?

Because the Farrans were targeted because they supported a different candidate than the one supported by the HOA President and their GOP neighbors. The HOA actively tried to suppress the free speech of the Farrahs not because of the size of their sign (really, 4" is the big deal on a sign that's coming down in a month or two?), but rather because they had the nerve to publicly support the 'wrong' candidate.

I know you think that your poster demonstrates how much more intellectually evolved you are, but it really just shows you to be no different than the pretentious assholes who have to tell everyone that they don't own a TV. If you don't want to participate in our political process, that's your right, but wearing it like a badge of honor is truly misguided.

The stuff movies are made from Wrote:
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> I'm inclined to agree with the Farrans but mature
> individuals would have laughed it off 3 years ago.
> They won in court but no one will be able to sell
> now.

I don't think you'd "laugh it off" if your HOA was trying to fine you $900 for a yard sign and denying you the right to perform maintenance and improvements on the home you bought. Compared to the HOA, the Farrans were quite mature: They used the court system to set precedents limiting what can be done by vindictive HOAs.

fmaxwell Wrote:
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> The stuff movies are made from Wrote:
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> > I'm inclined to agree with the Farrans but
> mature
> > individuals would have laughed it off 3 years
> ago.
> > They won in court but no one will be able to
> sell
> > now.
>
> I don't think you'd "laugh it off" if your HOA was
> trying to fine you $900 for a yard sign and
> denying you the right to perform maintenance and
> improvements on the home you bought. Compared to
> the HOA, the Farrans were quite mature: They used
> the court system to set precedents limiting what
> can be done by vindictive HOAs.


I would never live in a community governed by a HOA. I own a nice old house on a nice old street with trees and friends for neighbors. When a tree falls we form a commitee to decide who gets the firewood and who buys the beer.

fmaxwell Wrote:
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> Non-partisan Partisan Wrote:
>
> > Democrat or republican...who cares?
>
> Because the Farrans were targeted because they
> supported a different candidate than the one
> supported by the HOA President and their GOP
> neighbors. The HOA actively tried to suppress the
> free speech of the Farrahs not because of the size
> of their sign (really, 4" is the big deal on a
> sign that's coming down in a month or two?), but
> rather because they had the nerve to publicly
> support the 'wrong' candidate.
>
> I know you think that your poster demonstrates how
> much more intellectually evolved you are, but it
> really just shows you to be no different than the
> pretentious assholes who have to tell everyone
> that they don't own a TV. If you don't want to
> participate in our political process, that's your
> right, but wearing it like a badge of honor is
> truly misguided.


do you have any proof of that shithead or are you, like any other partisan jackass, just throwing your worthless opinion around based on donations from one guy on the board? Were republicans allowed to post bigger signs or something?

fmaxwell Wrote:
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> Non-partisan Partisan Wrote:
>
> > Democrat or republican...who cares?
>
> Because the Farrans were targeted because they
> supported a different candidate than the one
> supported by the HOA President and their GOP
> neighbors. The HOA actively tried to suppress the
> free speech of the Farrahs not because of the size
> of their sign (really, 4" is the big deal on a
> sign that's coming down in a month or two?), but
> rather because they had the nerve to publicly
> support the 'wrong' candidate.
>
> I know you think that your poster demonstrates how
> much more intellectually evolved you are, but it
> really just shows you to be no different than the
> pretentious assholes who have to tell everyone
> that they don't own a TV. If you don't want to
> participate in our political process, that's your
> right, but wearing it like a badge of honor is
> truly misguided.


Your opinion, like your contributions to this thread, is worthless. When you come up with something besides partisan bullshit, perhaps you'll be taken seriously by anyone but liberal partisans. That should tell even a braindead fuck like you what a blind sheeple you are. Just another useful idiot bleating from the behind his keyboard about how smart he is because he doesn't even have the sense to discern a thoughtful image. Lemmings on both sides are fucking sumb. And you shithead, are one dumb motherfucker.

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