There is a new brewery starting up in Leesburg which has won a bunch of craft brew awards but currently have no start up cash. They've started a kickstarter to try to get $10,000 for ramping up to commercial production. If you live in Western Fairfax or Loudoun and want more local brews like Lost Rhino consider donating a few bucks to help them get to their goal.

If you want some background on what awards they have won and what their history you can read it here

Their kickstarter is here

And if you are against breweries... then I have nothing to talk to you about. This state was once a leader in breweries but after the great enlightenment, and prohibition the dumbasses of temperance ruined it for the rest of us that like beer and want to support small business. It is part of our heritage as Virginians.

No interest from Steve Case? Maybe the Mars family has a stray million or so?
Think chocolate flavored beer. I hate those fruity beer contraptions.

I love supporting local breweries, but Lost Rhino gives me some mean hangovers. They do have good food there.

V50 has some good shit, too.

Crooked Run does only traditional beers, no chocolate flavored or coffee flavored stuff. Their trapiste is ridiculous and their brown ale has won a ton of awards. The only problem is they are so small you either have to be at the craft beer festivals to have a taste or be a friend.

I have no doubt if they can get the capital raised they will be making some fantastic beer and be around for a while.

To add to the reasons on why you should donate, they have some thank you gifts including a recipe book of their award winners, tshirts, and for high rollers private tasting events, and for super high rollers ($1000), they will name a beer after you and let you help out in crafting it to your taste choice.

Could be a good marketing opp. for a small company or bar to get their own brew named.

Prost!

I've been enjoying Devil's Backbone recently. Good stuff. The Vienna Lager in particular is delicious.

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> I've been enjoying Devil's Backbone recently. Good
> stuff. The Vienna Lager in particular is
> delicious.


I always seem to get really hammered when I drink their IPA.

As long as you plan to serve Bud Light, I'm sure you will do fine.

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> I've been enjoying Devil's Backbone recently. Good
> stuff. The Vienna Lager in particular is
> delicious.

Agreed. Love pretty much everything Devil's backbone has put out. Sure beats all the nasty garbage that DC Brau puts out. Devil's Backbone has some real winners. I'm waiting for them to bring back their "Turbo Cougar" golden lager. The name was funny but the beer was no joke.

LoveBeer Wrote:
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> More Complete Wrote:
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> ------
> > I've been enjoying Devil's Backbone recently.
> Good
> > stuff. The Vienna Lager in particular is
> > delicious.
>
> Agreed. Love pretty much everything Devil's
> backbone has put out. Sure beats all the nasty
> garbage that DC Brau puts out. Devil's Backbone
> has some real winners. I'm waiting for them to
> bring back their "Turbo Cougar" golden lager. The
> name was funny but the beer was no joke.


I wish they'd bring back Ale of Fergus, puts Newcastle to shame.

Donate? Yea right! I'll give them plenty of cash for a percentage of their start up. If you cant get a loan for 10 grand something is up.

7VHuX Wrote:
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> Donate? Yea right! I'll give them plenty of cash
> for a percentage of their start up. If you cant
> get a loan for 10 grand something is up.


Its called kickstarter, literally thousands of startups are using it, all of which are legitimate. In fact you have many legal assurances by donating on kickstarter that whatever gifts are due to you are delivered.

I'm gonna guess you are old

When Tysons Engineer posted this, they have 28 backers with roughly $1,700 pledged. Now they have 20 backers with about $1,200 pledged.


What happened?

"Legitimate" and followed by soon go under due to mismanagment. If a "kickstarter" needs 10k for a brewery it is already doomed. It takes a few 100k to start anything these days if you want sucess. Good idea but a bigger fish will soon swallow the minnow.

I take it you are young and dont own any businesses.

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> Donate? Yea right! I'll give them plenty of cash
> for a percentage of their start up. If you cant
> get a loan for 10 grand something is up.

10 grand, you can get that on a signature loan, no collateral needed other than maybe some type of job, part time even would qualify.

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> When Tysons Engineer posted this, they have 28
> backers with roughly $1,700 pledged. Now they have
> 20 backers with about $1,200 pledged.
>
>
> What happened?


I think you are mistaken. Ive been watching it most of the day out of interest and it was previously 18 donors for something like 1200, now its 20 for about 1290 I think.

For the people who think its a ripoff, I think you are misunderstanding. This isn't a loan. If you dont want to donate, then dont. This isn't an investment thing, thats not how kickstarter works.

You either want to give a gift to a very small start up, or you dont. For the person was talking about needing 100k to do anything. You are misinformed. There are literally dozens of food trucks on the road that needed far less than that amount. If one was starting a full on gordon biersch brew then yes. If you are making craft brew you dont need that much. The owner of Crooked Run Brewery owns the property he has planted his hops on, sources the barley from a local farmer. The only thing he needs this for is to actually buy the larger equipment for making commercial runs.

Im sorry if you feel cynical about it, but it isnt something that is shady. You can look it up yourself and see that it has won awards for being a very good craft beer.

Again if you dont want to give a free donation and get back a small thank you gift, then dont. No need to try to defame a person trying to do something original and start a business though. Thats stupid.

The Devil's Backbone Eight Point IPA is a good beer as well. Starr Hill (Northern Lights and the Gift), Blue Mountain (Full Nelson)... it's making it hard to choose how to redraw the border when Northern Virginia secedes from the rest of Virginia.

The DC Brau Corruption IPA is passable in a pinch, the other few I've tried (Public and their "Belgian") have really tasted more like an armpit. Seems like there are several DC breweries (DC Brau, Chocolate City, 3 Stars) that are all hype and no product. Even in DC I haven't run across many of their beers, and when I do, it's never impressed. It's like a band who has a really great t-shirt but can't play worth shit.

Tysons Engineer Wrote:

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> You either want to give a gift to a very small
> start up, or you dont. For the person was talking
> about needing 100k to do anything. You are
> misinformed. There are literally dozens of food
> trucks on the road that needed far less than that
> amount. If one was starting a full on gordon
> biersch brew then yes. If you are making craft
> brew you dont need that much. The owner of Crooked
> Run Brewery owns the property he has planted his
> hops on, sources the barley from a local farmer.
> The only thing he needs this for is to actually
> buy the larger equipment for making commercial
> runs.
>
Licensing, Insurance, proper food grade kitchen aproved by the dept of health ect ect ect takes more than 10k. Keep your vast knowledge to engineering.

A food truck cost more than 10K LMAO. Do you have any idea how much burners, ovens and commercial refridgerators cost even at used pricing? The awnser- NO

For 10 grand, I think a "piece of the action" would be appropriate.

I'm not against donating to help a brother out, but that seems to me to be in the $50 range...and that doesn't matter how wealthy one is.

I think most any "rich guy" would want some type of equity (or bond) for giving $10 large for a commercial enterprise-probably a different story if this were some type of charity.

After all, most people don't get rich flipping money around without a potential return.

Are you really suggesting a "donation" of $10 grand to a commercial enterprise?

Man, must be some rich-a** folks reading FU!

Scrooge Duck Wrote:
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> 7VHuX Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Donate? Yea right! I'll give them plenty of
> cash
> > for a percentage of their start up. If you cant
> > get a loan for 10 grand something is up.
>
> 10 grand, you can get that on a signature loan, no
> collateral needed other than maybe some type of
> job, part time even would qualify.

Yeah, seriously. If a company can't raise $10,000 in cash to start they might not want to be in business.

$10,000 in cash isn't going to do shit for ANY business. Somebody needs to rethink their business plan.

"$10,000 in cash isn't going to do shit for ANY business. Somebody needs to rethink their business plan."
This. Seriously. Look, I like that someone's trying to put a business together, but (according to his site) he still hasn't locked in a location, has no plans for distribution, and doesn't have a production schedule (a personal bugaboo is finding a decent brew, then going back 3 weeks later to be told "we're not brewing that right now". What, a calendar is too high tech?). To go further, will the location offer food? If so, there's a whole 'nother set of hurdles that are more in the $100K range.
Frankly, projects like this require angels, not "crowdsource" BS.

(PS - want to have a million in the restaurant biz? Start w/10 million...)

...design/approval process from will cost him half of that 10,000 he is wishing for. If he plans on serving his product in a retail/brew house location in Va, he MUST sell food.

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> ...design/approval process from will cost him
> half of that 10,000 he is wishing for. If he
> plans on serving his product in a retail/brew
> house location in Va, he MUST sell food.

Actually, they loosened the regs for service of beer AT BREWERIES this past summer. Now, breweries can serve you a pint -- before, it was just samples.

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> No interest from Steve Case? Maybe the Mars family
> has a stray million or so?
> Think chocolate flavored beer. I hate those fruity
> beer contraptions.


I don't drink any beer that violates the German Purity Law. No fruit or "flavoring" permitted. Water, hops, and malt only!

"If you dont want to donate, then dont"

I dont. Stop begging online its rude.

Taco van Wrote:
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> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
>
> >
> > You either want to give a gift to a very small
> > start up, or you dont. For the person was
> talking
> > about needing 100k to do anything. You are
> > misinformed. There are literally dozens of food
> > trucks on the road that needed far less than
> that
> > amount. If one was starting a full on gordon
> > biersch brew then yes. If you are making craft
> > brew you dont need that much. The owner of
> Crooked
> > Run Brewery owns the property he has planted
> his
> > hops on, sources the barley from a local
> farmer.
> > The only thing he needs this for is to actually
> > buy the larger equipment for making commercial
> > runs.
> >
> Licensing, Insurance, proper food grade kitchen
> aproved by the dept of health ect ect ect takes
> more than 10k. Keep your vast knowledge to
> engineering.
>
> A food truck cost more than 10K LMAO. Do you have
> any idea how much burners, ovens and commercial
> refridgerators cost even at used pricing? The
> awnser- NO

You are an idiot. When did I say 10k would be enough for a food truck. I said I know lots of food trucks that start with far less than 100k. You jackass.

Secondly, I am not running this BEER business, I just know the person who is starting it. BTW he is close friends with 2 other brewhouse owners who did this exact same thing. Perhaps if you read the article or his kickstarter background you wouldn't look like such an anus.

Ass

woooahhh Wrote:
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> For 10 grand, I think a "piece of the action"
> would be appropriate.
>
> I'm not against donating to help a brother out,
> but that seems to me to be in the $50 range...and
> that doesn't matter how wealthy one is.
>
> I think most any "rich guy" would want some type
> of equity (or bond) for giving $10 large for a
> commercial enterprise-probably a different story
> if this were some type of charity.
>
> After all, most people don't get rich flipping
> money around without a potential return.
>
> Are you really suggesting a "donation" of $10
> grand to a commercial enterprise?
>
> Man, must be some rich-a** folks reading FU!

Dear god people. Do you know how fricken idiotic it is to comment on something without reading it?

It isn't asking for 10 grand from one person. Kickstarter (for those of you in the stone age evidently who know only how to log onto FFU) is a DONATION site where the aggregate of a bunch of small donations adds up to an end result amount. Its not from 1 person, its from hundreds of people donating as you say 15, 20, 40 bucks at a time and getting back small thank you gifts.

Read, then state opinion, but atleast do the bare minimum

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> ...design/approval process from will cost him
> half of that 10,000 he is wishing for. If he
> plans on serving his product in a retail/brew
> house location in Va, he MUST sell food.


Wrong, brew house legislation a few years ago doesn't require that. Same deal as with Vineyards. All of this is in the article if you had read.

[House Bill 604]

Allows breweries to also be located on Agro land A-1 zoning, which his household already is therefore he doesnt have to lease, rent, or purchase a new location.



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> "If you dont want to donate, then dont"
>
> I dont. Stop begging online its rude.


Im not begging. If you are interested feel free to donate. Free world, free market, America.



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You dont know shit engineer.

Hbt6d Wrote:
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> You dont know shit engineer.


About brewing? I dont disagree. Then again half of the comments on this thread disregard actual law. Look up the house bill that passed your self.

http://beerpulse.com/2012/05/virginia-governor-signs-two-laws-supporting-in-state-craft-breweries/

Or go to the bill here

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+sum+SB604

Anything else ya wanna talk about champ? Or you wanna just shoot the shit



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Asking for ten grand to do a start up for a brewery is like Dr Evil asking for one million dollars ransom money.

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> And if you are against breweries... then I have
> nothing to talk to you about. This state was once
> a leader in breweries but after the great
> enlightenment, and prohibition the dumbasses of
> temperance ruined it for the rest of us that like
> beer and want to support small business. It is
> part of our heritage as Virginians.

I'm not against breweries, but I'm not going to give total strangers my hard-earned cash because other people like their beer. IMHO, a better strategy would be a free tasting of sorts. The strangers (like me, who homebrew and like interesting beer) would be more willing to donate.

RE: Small businesses, we shouldn't care if a business is small or large, but rather whether it provides us with a good or service to us at a price we're willing to pay. Size shouldn't matter (#TWSS).

Heritage? Sure. So is moonshining. But we can't give $$ to them now can we?



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