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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Right ()
Date: February 17, 2013 08:53AM

Yuk

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: E.D.B. ()
Date: February 18, 2013 10:31PM

smpierce Wrote:
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> It is frustrating to see that no one wants to
> claim ownership of this mess. And now my child's
> school has a "reputation" that will carry with her
> every time her school is referenced. Great for
> those college interviews...
>
> What IMHO we have is a series of fundamental
> breakdowns at many levels: from the parents to
> police to the prosecuting attorney to the school
> and to the media.
>
>
> And what about the school? The school is supposed
> to be the protector of our kids.
>
> The media too has failed. To hastily report rumors
> of drugs, unconscious sex (which might as well
> just be called rape), and overblow a story
>
> Couldn't this all be avoided if just one of these
> many "protectors" of our youth stood up and said
> "Wait, we don't need to do ALL this." or is this
> what the citizens, the parents of WSHS, the
> parents of the boys/girls all want?
>

You make a lot of assumptions there. You seem to imply that all the sex was consensual, and that these were "boyfriends" and "girlfriends" That is absolutely not true. The boys never took the girls on a date, to dinner, a movie, etc. These boys were only concerned with their own amusement, and took advantage of vulnerable girls with low self-esteem. The fact that the victims are having to sit in class with the boys every day might explain why some of them might say it was consensual and go on as if nothing had happened. But not all of the victims have said that. The school has failed miserably by not expelling or transferring the boys to a different school.

A crime is a crime regardless of who commits it. The penalty for producing child pornography should apply equally. But instead of sending these twisted little shits to jail, they will likely get a slap on the wrist and the victims will get no consideration. The police have not even interviewed all the victims yet. Very sad. This is not overblown, if anything it is under-reported.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Not so fast ()
Date: February 18, 2013 11:23PM

E.D.B. Wrote:
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> This
> is not overblown, if anything it is
> under-reported.

Then who called the FBI and why were the two agents at school last week asking questions?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Patient Explanation. ()
Date: February 18, 2013 11:38PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> What is that gross thing? Who would post that on
> multiple threads?

That is the picture of the vulva of a 50-year-old Indian woman suffering from giant seborrheic keratosis of the genitalia. http://www.e-ijd.org/article.asp?issn=0019-5154;year=2012;volume=57;issue=4;spage=310;epage=312;aulast=Nath

It was put up by the Poster Formerly Known as Inkahootz in an attempt to both insult another poster and generally disrupt the Fairfax Underground forum, which is a favorite hobby of his.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: E.D.B. ()
Date: February 18, 2013 11:51PM

Not so fast Wrote:
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> E.D.B. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This
> > is not overblown, if anything it is
> > under-reported.
>
> Then who called the FBI and why were the two
> agents at school last week asking questions?


Exactly, and it was not reported in the media. Unfortunately there is limited value to interviewing 16-year-old victims who still have to sit in class every day with their attackers. The school and the county wants to sweep the whole thing under the rug. Let the victims drop out and keep the perpetrators in school and on the sports teams.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: inconsistent ()
Date: February 19, 2013 11:33AM

FCPS is big on protecting victims in disciplinary infraction.

It is inconsistent with their past acts where they have removed kids from their base school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: oh really ()
Date: February 19, 2013 05:40PM

E.D.B. Wrote:

>
> You make a lot of assumptions there. You seem to
> imply that all the sex was consensual, and that
> these were "boyfriends" and "girlfriends" That is
> absolutely not true. The boys never took the
> girls on a date, to dinner, a movie, etc.

Ah, so this could have been avoided if it had been preceded by dinner and a movie? Please expand on that - could be a fascinating defense.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: BoomThread ()
Date: February 19, 2013 06:18PM

Boom. Look at the view count on this thread. HELLO FAIRFAX.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: E.D>B> ()
Date: February 19, 2013 10:46PM

oh really Wrote:
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> E.D.B. Wrote:
>
> >
> > You make a lot of assumptions there. You seem
> to
> > imply that all the sex was consensual, and that
> > these were "boyfriends" and "girlfriends" That
> is
> > absolutely not true. The boys never took the
> > girls on a date, to dinner, a movie, etc.
>
> Ah, so this could have been avoided if it had been
> preceded by dinner and a movie? Please expand on
> that - could be a fascinating defense.

Their defense, or the defense made by those defending them, is that the perpetrators were not just common predators making kiddie porn. In fact they could give a rats ass about any of the victims feelings or welfare, and certainly did not spend much time with them other than their 30 seconds of fame.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: whw ()
Date: February 22, 2013 08:02AM

when is the court date?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Parent de WS ()
Date: February 22, 2013 11:54PM

Oh my dear lord, people...will u all just take a deep breath and stop passing judgment. Let's hope our justice system works and all the facts will be out there. Heard a lot of talk bout girls n guys got together, got drunk (willingly), then it was videotaped w/ or w/o the girls' knowledge. Time will tell what exactly transpired. Stop judging.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To parent de was ()
Date: February 23, 2013 08:07AM

Congratulations ... Your post bumped this thread back up to the top of the list, thus ensuring that everyone will again be focused on it even when there is nothing new to say.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: ReinaColgan ()
Date: February 23, 2013 01:49PM

Parent de WS Wrote:
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> Oh my dear lord, people...will u all just take a
> deep breath and stop passing judgment. Let's hope
> our justice system works and all the facts will be
> out there. Heard a lot of talk bout girls n guys
> got together, got drunk (willingly), then it was
> videotaped w/ or w/o the girls' knowledge. Time
> will tell what exactly transpired. Stop judging.

People are passing judgment that the victims were willing partipants. There is evidence that at least some were not, and the others may have been pressured and coerced. Why do we need to wait for the court system? It should be Fairfax County Schools policy for any student charged with a felony sex crime to be removed from the school and not force the victims to endure sitting in class with them every day. In this case the principal has not even barred those charged from participating in extracurricular activities. They are still attempting to sweep it under the rug and make it go away.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Former WSHS student ()
Date: February 25, 2013 07:50PM

ReinaColgan Wrote:

> People are passing judgment that the victims were
> willing partipants. There is evidence that at
> least some were not, and the others may have been
> pressured and coerced. Why do we need to wait for
> the court system? It should be Fairfax County
> Schools policy for any student charged with a
> felony sex crime to be removed from the school and
> not force the victims to endure sitting in class
> with them every day. In this case the principal
> has not even barred those charged from
> participating in extracurricular activities. They
> are still attempting to sweep it under the rug and
> make it go away.

This all smells like Steubenville to me. Sadly, as a graduate from over 20 years ago, I'm not shocked that this happened or that the attackers are back in school where their victims have to face them every day.

In my day, I had a teacher, suggest in front of the entire class, that I was into S & M bondage because my pants had multiple zippers in them. The jocks & cheerleaders were all bullies. One cheerleader's mom was a substitute teacher who let bullying take place during her class.

Sounds like WSHS is the same piece of garbage now as it was then. And it's the adults showing the kids that rape is ok, sexual assault is ok, and bullying is ok.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Sports Watch ()
Date: February 25, 2013 10:27PM

Eric Speer had signs he was screwed up back when he was 12 playing soccer with me and his dad just kept fueling him on between soccer, swimming and all the other sports. At the end he is just a sex offender like Penn State coach!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: when the court date ()
Date: March 03, 2013 12:05PM

Anyone know when is the court date?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: RobYes ()
Date: March 08, 2013 08:38PM

Any news? Are the videos on line?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: aim ()
Date: March 09, 2013 06:09PM

Are the male students still attending classes at WSHS? Are the parents still using lawyers to protect the boys' records?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: It's the girl's fault ()
Date: March 12, 2013 01:01PM

Defense lawyers in the coming trial of two high school students charged with raping a nearly passed-out-drunk 16-year-old girl are expected to argue on the issue of consent.

Prosecutors state that the inebriated girl was taken to a number of parties by a group of drunk teenagers, supporting her to walk when she wasn't physically capable.

The prosecution claims that the group later sexually assaulted the girl while she lay unconscious.

But the attorney who represents one of the accused boys, argues she was drinking voluntarily and left willingly with the group of boys. He said: 'There's an abundance of evidence here that she was making decisions, cognitive choices.' 'She didn't affirmatively say no,' he stated.

The girl is not expected to testify in juvenile court when the case begins.

The defense attorney said of the girl: 'The person who is the accuser here is silent just as she was that night, and that's because there was consent.'

Others have argued that the Jane Doe was clearly too intoxicated to consent to sex and that this was something that has been confirmed by multiple witnesses.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Could be wrong ()
Date: March 12, 2013 02:47PM

Pretty sure the courts have set precedent that no response does not equal consent. Can't site any particular case at this time, too busy with my day job.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Wonderin ()
Date: March 16, 2013 01:12PM

Anyone know when the court date is for this?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: observer way over on sidelines ()
Date: March 16, 2013 03:56PM

Could be wrong Wrote:
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> Pretty sure the courts have set precedent that no
> response does not equal consent.

[I know essentially nothing about this or any other case so forgive my naivete]

I wonder if PRIOR consent is an excuse? That is, if someone is obviously consenting/has obviously consented then gets totally blasted to the point that any consent/nonconsent is unlikely does that prior consent carry over to whatever happens?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: no ()
Date: March 16, 2013 04:56PM

observer way over on sidelines Wrote:
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> Could be wrong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pretty sure the courts have set precedent that
> no
> > response does not equal consent.
>
> [I know essentially nothing about this or any
> other case so forgive my naivete]
>
> I wonder if PRIOR consent is an excuse? That is,
> if someone is obviously consenting/has obviously
> consented then gets totally blasted to the point
> that any consent/nonconsent is unlikely does that
> prior consent carry over to whatever happens?


That excuse would be mostly irrelevant in this situation, since at least some of the girls had not previously consented nor had they previously had sexual relations (with the attackers or anyone else.) The boys were predators who targeted emotionally vulnerable girls for their own amusement and gratification.

A "blasted" 16-year-old girl is not a consenting party in any event.

It's deplorable that the principal or school system has not taken action to protect the victims from having to sit in class every day with their attackers. They simply let the girls drop out if they can't handle it. It shows that even a felony sex crime charge is of no concern if the kid is in sports or the parents have enough money and clout. Maybe if one of the victims commits suicide it will be a wake-up.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Former WSHS student ()
Date: March 17, 2013 01:05PM

The guilty on all counts verdict handed down from the judge & jury today in Steubenville set precedent that silence does not equal consent. And that drinking and getting too drunk (intentional or not) to speak up, or to defend oneself does not equal consent. We also don't know if the girls knew what they were drinking or if the alcohol was further spiked in any way.

But being drunk does not equal consent.

And from the news reports I've read, at least one girl was *passed out* and that clearly does not equal consent.

Dead people can't give consent, and necrophilia is illegal.

Rape is rape. If there is no consent clearly and cognitively given, it's rape.

If these male students did what's been reported in the news: they're rapists and child pornographers.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: observer way over on sidelines ()
Date: March 17, 2013 02:06PM

My post wasn't about dead drunk people and whether or not they could give consent; it was about not-dead-drunk-yet people giving consent (in whatever manner one wants that to entail), THEN getting dead drunk.

Has such a person given consent?

The answer isn't obvious.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: bugslife ()
Date: March 17, 2013 03:43PM

The Stubenville boys will not be walking the hallways at their high school for the rest of the year!

Why are the 3 boys at WS?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Game over ()
Date: March 17, 2013 06:55PM

The one kid in Ohio got two years. One for the rape and one for the images.

Va should go hard as well...looks like one year minimum.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: similar ()
Date: March 17, 2013 07:20PM

Though the lawyers of the WSHS boys might whine that the Ohio case is not at all like the WSHS situation, to many parents, they are quite similar. At what point is a person no longer capable/conscious to give consent?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: March 17, 2013 07:38PM

I am an older guy, grew up in the 70's. old enough to be these guys fathers.
times have changed...back then you could buy beer at 18 and it really was the time of sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Incidents were dealt with quietly and under the table and the major incidents were handled in J&DR court and whatever happened there stayed there. The judge ruled, issued punishment and if it were a bad incident kids were expelled or sent to a state juvenile detention center. We would never find out because the kids were protected because they were juveniles.

Right or wrong, the world now revolves around sensational journalism. The law is clear and black and white on what has to happen with minors. When the school resource was told of the incident, the officer had to investigate. If a minor shows up at a hospital and the nurse or doctor believes a crime has happened, then the police has to be called. Remember when you were under 18, you could not keep a secret. Kids will be kids. And whatever happened will be on every tv, radio, newspaper, or social network. I imagine these kids wish they all could turn back time and make a better decision. It has to be harder than ever to be a teenager.......the high school football players in Ohio will have a few years to think about what they were convicted of.

The only good thing here is in this case everybody will get a second chance. Nobody lost their life. In 10 or 20 years this will be a distant memory and all involved will have married and have kids. They will learn from a mistake and watch their kids alittle closer. Too much out there for kids to continue to make poor choices. In time, may everyone forgive each other for an ugly incident.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Butch ()
Date: March 18, 2013 12:28PM

Isn't it time for these three young men to be removed from West Springfield High? The Ohio case seems mild compared to the multiple violations of the West Springfield High students. I realize the wheels of justice move slowly, but come on. Soon they will be able to be charged as adults.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Meade's Hillbilly Cousin ()
Date: March 18, 2013 12:54PM

RobYes Wrote:
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> Any news? Are the videos on line?


There are stupider ways to go to prison. I can not think of any off the top of my head, but I am sure there are one or two.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: student also ()
Date: March 18, 2013 05:54PM

Yes the videos are on line. Most of them including one with another girl that wasn't in the first batch. Look in a usual place for that kind of video and they can be found. Hint look for re-posted version of what got taken down previously.

Yes the boys with felony sex charges are still in the same school and the victims have to face them every day, or else drop out as some have already done.

Yes the boys were still allowed to participate in sports. Normally if a student is charged with a crime outside of school they can't participate in sports but in this case the principal liked the boys and guess he didn't think that producing kiddie porn and rape of passed out underage girls were such bad crimes. Plus they had to finish basketball season, which was important for the rest of the team.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: FCPS leadership ()
Date: March 18, 2013 06:18PM

student also Wrote:
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> Yes the videos are on line. Most of them
> including one with another girl that wasn't in the
> first batch. Look in a usual place for that kind
> of video and they can be found. Hint look for
> re-posted version of what got taken down
> previously.
>
> Yes the boys with felony sex charges are still in
> the same school and the victims have to face them
> every day, or else drop out as some have already
> done.
>
> Yes the boys were still allowed to participate in
> sports. Normally if a student is charged with a
> crime outside of school they can't participate in
> sports but in this case the principal liked the
> boys and guess he didn't think that producing
> kiddie porn and rape of passed out underage girls
> were such bad crimes. Plus they had to finish
> basketball season, which was important for the
> rest of the team.


How are the boys allowed to remain on sports teams and play? What about the students rights and responsibilities contract that all students are required to sign? A few years ago, an FCPS middle school student brought a prescription medication for her skin to school (no written permission note, kept it in her locker) and gets a harsher punishment than these three at WSHS. Seems like what these sophomores did is much worse than what the girl did.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: be truthful ()
Date: March 18, 2013 07:19PM

I thought the boys went to West Springfield but the girls attended other schools?

If correct, how do they have to see them every day and why would they drop out?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 18, 2013 08:02PM

I just realized.......is this the same Westfield High School that had the heroin ring busted back in 2008-2009? Wow.......quite a rep that school has!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:10PM

Come on Blowtorch 999 -stay current

This year it is West Springfield on Rolling Road.

Other Fairfax schools have had other major problems. Westfield had problems a few years ago. Chantilly has had problems years ago. There was that major drug ring out there where a young man lost his life.

Now West Springfield did have a problem last year with food fights, students throwing ho ho's and other fine products at each other.

Word has it....pure speculation that other charges may be filed since the feds made their Spartan visit.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Blam ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:54AM

So whats the deal, updates?

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DAMN!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: student also ()
Date: March 19, 2013 05:48AM

be truthful Wrote:
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> I thought the boys went to West Springfield but
> the girls attended other schools?
>
> If correct, how do they have to see them every day
> and why would they drop out?


No, some of the girls attend or formerly attended West Springfield. The girls who go or went to West Springfield have to see the boys every day in class, hallways, etc. 16 year old girls are emotionally scarred and the school was grinding salt in their wounds. They would do things like drop out or kill themselves because of being young and immature and mistreated.

It added insult to injury when there was no action taken against the boys despite the criminal charges (felony sex crime). The boys were allowed to continue playing basketball and sports and pretty much celebrated as heros. The principal likes the boys because of who their parents are.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: lawsuit? ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:32AM

Are the parents of the boys suing to protect the boys' schooling privileges and protecting their records for their future careers? It seemed like that was the atmosphere after this hit the news. FCPS has lost any last amount of respect I may have had for them if those students are being protected because the principal likes their parents and gives them preferential treatment.

FCPS administrators have the worst judgement ability of any group of administrators I have ever encountered. They seem to get stupider as they rise in the ranks. And FCPS never gets rid of them! Even TJ had one or two of them--parked there in a pointless admin. position because they wouldn't retire and FCPS could not fire them.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parent2 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 04:34PM

+1

too true--if the kids are athletes they are never punished in some schools

lawsuit? Wrote:
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> Are the parents of the boys suing to protect the
> boys' schooling privileges and protecting their
> records for their future careers? It seemed like
> that was the atmosphere after this hit the news.
> FCPS has lost any last amount of respect I may
> have had for them if those students are being
> protected because the principal likes their
> parents and gives them preferential treatment.
>
> FCPS administrators have the worst judgement
> ability of any group of administrators I have ever
> encountered. They seem to get stupider as they
> rise in the ranks. And FCPS never gets rid of
> them! Even TJ had one or two of them--parked
> there in a pointless admin. position because they
> wouldn't retire and FCPS could not fire them.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: and ()
Date: March 19, 2013 04:37PM

Link?>

student also Wrote:
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> Yes the videos are on line. Most of them
> including one with another girl that wasn't in the
> first batch. Look in a usual place for that kind
> of video and they can be found. Hint look for
> re-posted version of what got taken down
> previously.
>
> Yes the boys with felony sex charges are still in
> the same school and the victims have to face them
> every day, or else drop out as some have already
> done.
>
> Yes the boys were still allowed to participate in
> sports. Normally if a student is charged with a
> crime outside of school they can't participate in
> sports but in this case the principal liked the
> boys and guess he didn't think that producing
> kiddie porn and rape of passed out underage girls
> were such bad crimes. Plus they had to finish
> basketball season, which was important for the
> rest of the team.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: rdd620 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 05:18PM

where are the usual places to look for the reposted vids

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: rdd620 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 05:18PM

where are the usual places to look for the reposted vids

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: case closed ()
Date: March 31, 2013 07:33PM

was this case closed or did they go to court?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 01, 2013 12:50AM

where are we on this case?
are the boys still in school at west springfield?
do they still have the priviledge of playing sports? If so, WHY on both?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: go spartans ()
Date: April 01, 2013 07:27AM

Yes the boys are still in school and able to play sports. Have been ever since they got arrested. Ordinarily drinking and being arrested and charged with felony sex crime would have consequences. In this case the principal likes them because they play sports and are popular and their parents have money.

He let them stay and said if the girls can't deal with being in class with them every day they can leave/drop out/whatever. Yeah sucks for the victims but that's how the world works and he is teaching them all a valuable lesson. Enough money and you can get away with anything.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 01, 2013 06:52PM

Wow.

So, discounting half of what has been written here and applying basic common sense - If the boys have been charged, they should not be at West Springfield. All parties made mistakes here, you can never erase the events, the charges, the victims. The girls or victims are punished everyday they see the boys in school, every time they hear of the crimes. High school kids talk, gossip, and add alittle to the story. That is just part of being in high school and college. There has to be more to the story if the boys are in school. Maybe FCPS and the principal thinks there are no victims. This story and the Ohio story is alot alike, except Ohio views the story differently. In Ohio there are victims and there are a couple of criminals and the procuter there says more charges could be filed

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: RSigler ()
Date: April 02, 2013 07:57PM

Wow. I just read through this. Something definitely seems fishy with the school system response, or lack thereof. This kind of thing is what makes kids suicidal or worse... Hope we don't create the first female mass shooter.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: KillBill ()
Date: April 08, 2013 10:22PM

In utter shock at most of the responses here, but what is to expect really?

It is absolutely disgusting that those boys drugged, raped and video taped these girls without their consent.

you want to know why those girls didnt come up front to the polie?


because The HUMILIATION of RAPE is UNBEARABLE.

Those 3 kids dont deserve to be walking around that school, or have an education. Or anything that permits them to have a normal life.
Because those girl's lives will never be normal again.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Zccv ()
Date: April 09, 2013 06:24AM

LOLOLOL they weren't raped. The girls knew what was happening. They're just whores and that's that. Nothing else to talk about. They're just whores.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Must be eric ()
Date: April 10, 2013 08:25AM

Zccv Wrote:
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> LOLOLOL they weren't raped. The girls knew what
> was happening. They're just whores and that's
> that. Nothing else to talk about. They're just
> whores.


Right, Eric. Keep telling yourself that and that you are black. Scrawny little wigger.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 12, 2013 12:15AM

OK Spartans......since this has not been in the media since the original post........what are you guys hearing. Is there a pending trial here?
Are the boys still at West springfield and are they still playing sports?
What grade are the guys in, all under 18???

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Eric P. ()
Date: April 12, 2013 02:16AM

It's over. If the boys are good for a year the charges will be dismissed. No word on the civil suits.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parent2 ()
Date: April 12, 2013 06:17AM

Thank goodness the WSHS administration stepped in to save these boys' bright future! I'm sure the police and community would never have let this go without the assurances from WSHS!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: The judge says ()
Date: April 13, 2013 04:13PM

The WSHS case is over. The juvi judge gave the boys a deal that if they are good for a year the charges will go away.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Jessica Karl ()
Date: April 13, 2013 07:46PM

I hope you are wrong....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 15, 2013 03:08PM

Too Bad this was not Ohio where justice was applied. No one can give conscent if their mind is blurred with alcohol. I pitty the girls involved. I am sure the boys are walking around as if they are the cock of top of the hill. While the Ohio boys got jail time, the Springfield boys got probation. But they should remember the Washington community will always remember their names and when it comes to college and a prospective job, these things have a way of coming back to thr surface. Too bad the justice system has failed again and the FCPS system and WSHS principal handled this so poorly!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Missed it ()
Date: April 15, 2013 09:04PM

seventies guy Wrote:
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> But they should remember the
> Washington community will always remember their
> names and when it comes to college and a
> prospective job, these things have a way of coming
> back to thr surface.

What were their names?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Blam ()
Date: April 15, 2013 09:23PM

Alright so.. either there is a massive coverup by the school that isn't really a coverup..

or these girls pretty much lied and are trying to protect themselves from being called whores.

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DAMN!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Diane ()
Date: April 15, 2013 11:01PM

The thing the girls had in common was not that they were "whores" (they were not promiscuous by any means), but that they were all emotionally vulnerable; easily preyed upon and taken advantage of.

This experience has been devastating for the victims especially because there was no action taken by the school to remove the boys from the school or take any disciplinary action whatsoever.

The County has guidelines for when students are arrested and charged with sex felonies against other students. The principal and administration ignored their own rules. They owe the taxpayers an explanation. However unless one of the girls kills herself the school system will remain silent.

Rumor has it that the principal has the videos on his own home computer, including some videos the police themselves do not have. If that is true, may he go to prison and be anally raped while the guards high-five each other.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: yLTDK ()
Date: April 16, 2013 09:20AM

Tyler Uhlman, Eric Speer, Andrew Cox

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Principal fail ()
Date: April 16, 2013 10:17AM

The administration has failed all the students at WSHS for allowing the boys to continue to attend school and play on the sports teams.

If Tyler, Eric Speer or Andrew think they are off the hook for now, wait until they apply to colleges or internships. There is something fundamentally wrong with a person who would exploit another like this. It is demeaning and lacking in basic respect of another. No one wants the liability of a sexual predator. FCPS doesn't care if they are athletes and the parents raise a stink.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: They are free ()
Date: April 16, 2013 05:51PM

If you google Tyler Uhlman, you can find this thread.

Eric Speer and Andrew Cox seem to be invisible regarding this incident, at least from a google perspective.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Townhouser ()
Date: April 16, 2013 08:31PM

Most of these kids parents have very lucrative, high profile jobs. Easily searched last names on LinkedIn within the metro DC area results. If I were the disgusting parents of any of those involved I would take down my public profiles for a year or two. How stupid.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 17, 2013 12:55AM

Final Post For Me - I am really disappointed with the whole thing.

When these guys walk and receive their diplomas, the entire student body should make their feelings known vocally. Maybe at least the principal and superintendent can hear the cat calls and the three boys and their parents can also hear the cat calls. According to this blog, the rich boys got special treatment. And you think colleges will not find out about the incident - colleges now look at the student's entire body of work. And if these dudes think they can dance into a government job. think again when they do a complete background check for a security clearance. On second thought, their true punishment may follow them their entire life.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: adgasdg ()
Date: April 17, 2013 07:38AM

there are no "rich boys" at wshs, you are misinformed

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Make it count for Google ()
Date: April 17, 2013 08:02AM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Townhouser ()
Date: April 18, 2013 08:58AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sexting-case-goes-to-trial-in-fairfax-county/2013/04/17/4936b768-a6b7-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html

New post article that seems very biased...only has the opinion of the boy's attorneys, no comment from administration, no comment from the girls (however less than savory they might have been)...but then again it's only mentioning the "child porn" charge. Not the possible rape charges.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:08AM

Townhouser Wrote:
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sexting-c
> ase-goes-to-trial-in-fairfax-county/2013/04/17/493
> 6b768-a6b7-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html
>
> New post article that seems very biased...only has
> the opinion of the boy's attorneys, no comment
> from administration, no comment from the girls
> (however less than savory they might have
> been)...but then again it's only mentioning the
> "child porn" charge. Not the possible rape
> charges.
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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: head scratcher ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:23AM

Townhouser Wrote:
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> Not the possible rape charges.

Why would there be rape charges? All were around the same age and, according to everything published so far, all willing.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: But FFXU Does ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:48AM

Townhouser Wrote:
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sexting-c
> ase-goes-to-trial-in-fairfax-county/2013/04/17/493
> 6b768-a6b7-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html
>
> New post article that seems very biased...only has
> the opinion of the boy's attorneys, no comment
> from administration, no comment from the girls
> (however less than savory they might have
> been)...but then again it's only mentioning the
> "child porn" charge. Not the possible rape
> charges.

"The Washington Post does not generally identify juveniles charged with crimes."

Tyler Uhlman was arrested in the West Springfield High School (WSHS) Child Exploitation case.
Eric Speer was arrested in the West Springfield High School (WSHS) Child Exploitation case.
Andrew Cox was arrested in the West Springfield High School (WSHS) Child Exploitation case.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Johnny Law ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:37AM

Its Over! Because all involved were juveniles the details are not available to the public. The charges against all three were deferred with out prejudice, meaning if they stay out of trouble for the next year the arrest will be expunged from their records and there will be nothing to indicate they were ever arrested. However, any misdemeanor charge, include traffic offenses, minor possession of alcohol, etc will result in the charges being reinstated and possible jail time.

These kids got off pretty easy. My understanding is they apologized to the victims and the victims parents who agreed with the deferral!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Townhouser ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:48AM

Johnny Law Wrote:
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> Its Over! Because all involved were juveniles the
> details are not available to the public. The
> charges against all three were deferred with out
> prejudice, meaning if they stay out of trouble for
> the next year the arrest will be expunged from
> their records and there will be nothing to
> indicate they were ever arrested. However, any
> misdemeanor charge, include traffic offenses,
> minor possession of alcohol, etc will result in
> the charges being reinstated and possible jail
> time.
>
> These kids got off pretty easy. My understanding
> is they apologized to the victims and the victims
> parents who agreed with the deferral!

That must have been some settlement check!

Isn't it curious that the "comments" section of the Washington Post article is turned off for this story?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Dr. Seuss ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:17AM

They pulled their pants down.
They passed the cell phone around.
They lawyered up.
They shut up.
They paid up.



But will they repeat again?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: not rich ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:26AM

adgasdg Wrote:
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> there are no "rich boys" at wshs, you are
> misinformed

How do you define "rich"? Having income over a half-million $ per year is at least "well-off".

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: its on fox tv ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:03PM

They are talking about it on fox 5 news.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Trail ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:06PM

Sex in homes and cars
door opned because the care got hot

3 teens in bed boys recording sex acts
all 3 girls in case - all 3 girls said unaware of the videos.
nothing will happen to the boys if anything will get probation

they need to come back for setenceing in June

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Bryant ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:23PM

head scratcher Wrote:
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> Townhouser Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not the possible rape charges.
>
> Why would there be rape charges? All were around
> the same age and, according to everything
> published so far, all willing.


They were not all necessarily willing or in a condition to give consent. At least one of them was highly intoxicated to the point of needing to go to the hospital, and had never had sex previously.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: head scratcher ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:34PM

Bryant Wrote:
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> They were not all necessarily willing or in a
> condition to give consent. At least one of them
> was highly intoxicated to the point of needing to
> go to the hospital, and had never had sex
> previously.

We....just as a pointed aside...the police and prosecutors apparently do not agree.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Bryant ()
Date: April 18, 2013 06:10PM

head scratcher Wrote:
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> Bryant Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They were not all necessarily willing or in a
> > condition to give consent. At least one of
> them
> > was highly intoxicated to the point of needing
> to
> > go to the hospital, and had never had sex
> > previously.
>
> We....just as a pointed aside...the police and
> prosecutors apparently do not agree.


How do you know the police and prosecutors have spoken with all the victims and their parents?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Can't Believe How Swept Under ()
Date: April 18, 2013 06:15PM

Officials say:

Morrogh declined to discuss the Fairfax County case, but authorities have said two 16-year-olds and a 15-year-old from West Springfield High School were charged with possession and distribution of child pornography in January after they filmed themselves engaging in sex acts with at least six teenage girls. A source with Fairfax County schools said the videos were filmed surreptitiously.

Key word: surreptitiously.

The high-paid attorney says:

Rodney G. Leffler, an attorney for one of the boys, has said that all of the sex acts were consensual and that the 10 videos at the heart of the case were filmed at parties at the teenagers’ homes beginning in December 2011. He said that all of the girls eventually learned that they were being filmed and that the boys shared the videos among themselves but did not distribute them widely. It is not clear whether the videos were texted, e-mailed or sent by other means.

Key phrase: Eventually learned.

Sounds like agreement to me.

These young men are extremely lucky, and not just because they got laid by six different girls (whether they were awake or not).

Ten videos, six girls. I wonder who were the lucky ones who were filmed multiple times.

Kids are transferred from FCPS schools for a lot less than this.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: April 18, 2013 06:24PM

Im curious with the phrase..."did not distribute them widely".....

What does that mean?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: No know it all ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:40PM

wow, so these boys are guilty! Wonder how much of a punishment they will get.
Having sex with a drunk 14 year old and filming it. This is not how you treat women. Their parents must be very proud. No swim meets this summer for you!!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Observer2013 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:43PM

Will all involved students be in attendance at WSHS tomorrow?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Judge ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:46PM

Guilty, Guilty and Guiltier.
Sounds like two of them turned on the third

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: WSHSstudent ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:52PM

Humorous prank. With friends like this......

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: not of the hook ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:36PM

FAIRFAX, Va. -
Three teenage boys from West Springfield High School went to Juvenile Court Thursday facing serious felony charges for participating in the practice of “sexting.”

Initially, all three were charged with distributing child pornography, which carries a potential 20-year prison sentence. But only one of the three went on trial. The other two took plea bargain deals.

All of the children involved, the boys who were charged and the girls with whom they had sex, are under the age of 18. But on several occasions, unbeknownst to the girls, the sex acts with the boys were recorded on cell phones. The videos were then shared among the boys.

Sexting is the practice – common among some teenagers – of sharing salacious pictures, video or text messages on electronic media.

There was quite a stir at Fairfax County’s West Springfield High School in January when police officers entered the building and arrested a 15-year-old boy and two 16-year-old boys – all close friends. The three were charged with the very serious felonies of possessing and distributing child pornography. Two have now agreed to plead “no contest” to the lesser charge of unlawful filming.

One of the girls involved is 14 years old.

Juvenile Court Judge Thomas Mann cleared the public from the room when the sex tapes were played in court. The two teens who have pleaded out testified that the consensual sex took place at the boys’ homes and in an elementary school parking lot.

One youth said he had to open the car’s doors during sex “because the car got hot.”

One another occasion, according to testimony elicited by the defense, there were three teens in a bed, with the two boys taking turns recording various sex acts with the girl.

All three girls involved testified, one of them weeping. All three said they were unaware their sexual activities were being recorded.

Juvenile Court Judge Mann called this a “bad day” in his courtroom, but he acquitted the young man of distributing child porn only because there was reasonable doubt the teen hit the “send” button.

All three young men have now been convicted of “unlawful filming,” a class six felony with a potential five-year prison sentence. Juvenile court judges, however, tend to be lenient, and they have great latitude in sentencing.

All three teenage boys will face sentencing in mid-June. They are free pending sentencing, but have been ordered to stay away from the girls involved in the case


it will on their recored for 7 years even after they turn 18.
the

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Tom_Mason ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:45PM

That convicion and the two guilty pleas could result in some expensive civil judgments if the families of the girls decide to file suits against the parents of these three defendants.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/2013 10:42PM by Tom_Mason.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: MaBarker ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:46PM

Lets face it - the girls were probably desperate for the boys to like them and were stupid enough to have sex with those losers - but - hey - the boys filmed child porn and they should have to pay for their crime - stop being crybabys and pay for your crime you sick perverts!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:58PM

So, this story was on NBC4 today at 4, 5, 6, and 11 p.m. According to the news story, this is not over. A class 6 felony doesn't look good on a resume' for school or work. All three guys will have to explain their actions to prospective schools and employers. And you guys better hope the judge is having a pleasant day in June for the sentence date. Really, did you think you could keep a secret when 10 or so guys and girls are envolved. All you guys should know now that you don't treat ladies like this. In 18 years or so, when your daughters are dating, you should think back to this incident and the huge amount of money your parents spent on lawyers to try and keep you guys on a straight track.

And this WSHS principal, maybe the new Fairfax Superintendent will shake things up next year and put someone in that position that can create an environment of learning and disipline.

See you in June boys~

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: unfreakingbelievable ()
Date: April 19, 2013 12:22AM

not of the hook Wrote:
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>
>
> One of the girls involved is 14 years old.
>
> The two teens who have pleaded
> out testified that the consensual sex took place
> at the boys’ homes and in an elementary school
> parking lot.
>

Now we know that sex in an elementary school parking lot is not an event that will get you suspended. Not nearly as bad as sharing a Pamprin.

>
> One another occasion, according to testimony
> elicited by the defense, there were three teens in
> a bed, with the two boys taking turns recording
> various sex acts with the girl.

Nothing wrong there either. Especially if the girl was drunk or passed out.

>
> All three girls involved testified, one of them
> weeping. All three said they were unaware their
> sexual activities were being recorded.

Surprise!

> All three teenage boys will face sentencing in
> mid-June. They are free pending sentencing, but
> have been ordered to stay away from the girls
> involved in the case

Except, of course, at school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parent2 ()
Date: April 19, 2013 05:57AM

Well, at least they got to play sports up until they were convicted.

We also now know that felony convictions are the criteria for the discpline of popular wealthy athletes.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: uX6Uc ()
Date: April 19, 2013 10:13AM

WaPo still not allowing comments on their articles regarding this case ...

I wonder how it felt to be the one (no doubt Eric Speer) hearing his two buddies testify against him ...

And finally, I am sure that WSHS will continue to allow these kids to carry on as usual at WSHS even though they are now all convicted. Pretty pathetic.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: time to transfer out ()
Date: April 19, 2013 10:42AM

but
> have been ordered to stay away from the girls
> involved in the case


At this point, FCPS has to transfer these kids to another school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: June 12th lets all go to court ()
Date: April 19, 2013 11:50AM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Poor child ()
Date: April 19, 2013 01:50PM

For Class 6 felonies, a term of imprisonment of not less than one year nor more than five years, or in the discretion of the jury or the court trying the case without a jury, confinement in jail for not more than 12 months and a fine of not more than $2,500, either or both.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-10

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Date: April 19, 2013 03:06PM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: WPoo ()
Date: April 19, 2013 03:10PM

bugslife Wrote:
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> GUILTY!
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/boys-guilty-in
> -fairfax-sexting-case


We're unable to locate the page you requested.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: rdd620 ()
Date: April 19, 2013 03:53PM

Why were they undercharged? Should have been charged as adults. They need to be taught some respect.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Wouldn't you like to know ()
Date: April 19, 2013 04:25PM

Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves, unless you know these boys you have no right or reason to judge what kind of people they are! People hear so many different versions of the story & only the boys involved know the real one! & if you think that they read this & it effects them you need to re-evaluate your life because do you really think 3 TEENAGE boys care about what random old people think about them? Well they don't.

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