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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Shut Up ()
Date: February 08, 2013 08:15PM

It is quite humorous to keep reading this thread and how EVERYONE thinks they know the "real" story. You all have NO IDEA what really happened, how it was investigated by the police department, the school, etc. You are all going on your own opinions and assumptions. Stop acting like a bunch of know-it-alls.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Pay attention ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:32AM

To: James and clueless parents Wrote:
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> This hearing was open to the public and the press.
> If you don't believe the info, see if you can get
> a transcript. Regardless of what you believe, the
> prosecuting and defense attorneys, and the judge,
> all have the evidence. I think the Fairfax County
> School Board should ask for proof of when the
> arrest warrant was signed, as well as the score
> sheet, and discuss with FCPD/Intake Officer on the
> criteria used to justify the detention order. The
> boys shouldn't have been arrested, and especially
> at the school. My guess, clueless parents, is
> that theft and vandalism score high enough to get
> a detention order. In despite what you think,
> James, the judge knows more than you.
>
> The school didn't hide anything; they don't have
> jurisdiction to investigate alleged activity that
> occurs off of school grounds.
>
> Obviously the kids didn't know the laws about
> child pornography, just like the assistant
> principle in Loudon County didn't know that law
> when he was asked to investigate similar activity
> at his school, and was subsequently charged with
> possession of child pornography due to the photo
> he was told to store on his school computer as
> evidence that came from the investigation, and he
> had to spend $150,000 on lawyers fees to clear his
> name due to a radical prosecutor. Otherwise, he
> would've been a registered sex offender. Many
> adults don't even understand the sodomy law in
> Virginia; if you're not married, and engage in
> oral, vaginal, or anal sex, you can be prosecuted
> (oral and anal sex are felonies in Virginia, even
> if you are married). So, James and clueless
> parents, if you ever engage in those activities,
> and someone accuses you of doing such, be prepared
> to hire a lawyer, cause you will be charged with a
> felony.
>
> Also, because so many young people use technology
> and share private info with each other, and
> because many states have not adjusted their laws
> and kids are getting into lots of trouble for
> child pornography when in fact it's sexting, law
> makers in states like New York, Connecticut, Utah,
> Vermont, Ohio, etc. have made efforts to separate
> sexting from child pornography. I wouldn't be
> surprised if the U.S. Supreme Court has to make a
> ruling on the difference between sexting and child
> pornography, just like they did with striking down
> the sodomy law.

This doesn't sound accurate ... A case involving juveniles would NOT be open to the public. Therefore, the credibility of what you said happened inside that court room is also highly suspect. If indeed there even was a hearing.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wateva ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:43AM

Officer Plazio did exactly what he should have done, arrest them at school. With all of these scumbag lawyers making these dirtbags look like they were victims, they will probably be getting off with some comunity service. At least by arresting them at school, they might be humiliated enough to never do this again. The fact that they had to spend time in juvy might actually make them think about things they are doing and the possible consequences each action may bring.
The bottom line is to many parents are so AFRAID to talk or ask questions to their kids. They are not adults, they think they are indestructible, and that nothing can happen to them. I remember back when I was in school and I had the same feeling, the difference was my parents taught me the difference between right and wrong. I think some of these kids parents were unpopular in HS and didn't say anything to there kids because they are living their life through there kids. That's really sad!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Pay attention ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:49AM

Today's parents won't even punish their kids by taking away their cell phones much less know what's on those phones. And if it were my kid, the school wouldn't need to take him or her off the sports team because I would do it myself. Better to "jeopardize" a future college application than to jeopardize becoming a decent human being. Kids get no real discipline at all and parents scream and hire lawyers the minute any outside authority attempts to address the situation. Kids have always made poor decisions ... What has changed is how little they learn from them.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Wateva ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:51AM

AMEN!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: msdrea ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:03AM

What about the girls?
Why werent they arrested?
It takes two people to have sex, so why were only the boys targeted?
Shouldnt they be charged with lewd and lascivious acts, face punishment and placed on the sex offender list?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Pay attention ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:17AM

The girls were not the ones doing the actual filming and showing the results to all their friends ... But I get your point and I agree that they are worthy of some "lesson learning" as well.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Not about sex ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:20AM

msdrea Wrote:
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> What about the girls?
> Why werent they arrested?
> It takes two people to have sex, so why were only
> the boys targeted?
> Shouldnt they be charged with lewd and lascivious
> acts, face punishment and placed on the sex
> offender list?

Because the issue is NOT the sex. It is the creation, possession and distribution of the videos that got the boys in trouble. Got it?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:23AM

As I said in another link.....


For what its worth.....

The FCPD has a memo of understanding with FCPS dealing with police arrest of students during the school day and on school grounds. That memo states that arrest of students will not be made on school grounds unless there is an immediate threat to safety or an emergency. Not sure the details of this arrest and why it was necessary to arrest students immediately for a crime occurring in the summer.

I would imagine the cops making that arrest will need to explain why they violated their own policy and if it was necessary to do so.......but regardless, the memo exist and is in force.

Hopefully as more info comes out, there was an imminent threat or emergency which might have caused the officer(s) to make an immediate arrest. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until credible evidence surfaces to show otherwise....

Just my opinion

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: msdrea ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:40AM

If the boys are being charged because they have video’s, were the cell phones of the girls who consented to be filmed checked out?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: msdrea ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:41AM

From what I read in the Washington Post, the boys didn’t pass the video’s around, they were turned in by an anonymous student who heard about it and got pissed because they wouldn’t show and tell.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parentalspartan ()
Date: February 09, 2013 10:05AM

It probably has less to do with FCPD and more to do with FCPS--trying to manage their image and wash their hands of responsibility and involvement by making a big show of it. And since that now has probably increased the punishment that "must" be given to the students--to justify the big show, if i were the parents or lawyers id be taking a close look at the chain of events leading up to the arrest

None* Wrote:
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> As I said in another link.....
>
>
> For what its worth.....
>
> The FCPD has a memo of understanding with FCPS
> dealing with police arrest of students during the
> school day and on school grounds. That memo states
> that arrest of students will not be made on school
> grounds unless there is an immediate threat to
> safety or an emergency. Not sure the details of
> this arrest and why it was necessary to arrest
> students immediately for a crime occurring in the
> summer.
>
> I would imagine the cops making that arrest will
> need to explain why they violated their own policy
> and if it was necessary to do so.......but
> regardless, the memo exist and is in force.
>
> Hopefully as more info comes out, there was an
> imminent threat or emergency which might have
> caused the officer(s) to make an immediate arrest.
> I am willing to give them the benefit of the
> doubt until credible evidence surfaces to show
> otherwise....
>
> Just my opinion

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: makes no sense ()
Date: February 09, 2013 01:53PM

msdrea wrote:

"From what I read in the Washington Post, the boys didn’t pass the video’s around, they were turned in by an anonymous student who heard about it and got pissed because they wouldn’t show and tell."


If the videos were not passed around and if the anonymous student was pissed about not getting to see the videos, where did the police get the evidence to arrest the boys? Your statement makes no sense msdrea.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: whiner ()
Date: February 09, 2013 02:36PM

In today's WP, this FFX police statement on this case:

Officer Eddy Azcarate said Fairfax police’s public information office “didn’t find out about the arrests until two weeks after they happened. We made the decision, because it’s an ongoing investigation and it’s juveniles, not to do a [press] release. With juveniles, there’s very little we can say anyway. We did respond to all inquiries as they came in.”

The police owe the public information on every High School (and other) arrest they make....even if it's only generic in nature. That's the least we can ask as the citizens funding their department.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Sketchy ()
Date: February 09, 2013 06:43PM

It seems like there was a lot of sketchiness that went into the decision to arrest the boys. Even if the crime itself is punishable by law, the way/process in which charges have been brought about seems rather dubious at this point.

Whether it is Plazio or the FCPD as a whole, something was not done correctly and the attorney's of the boys accused will take target at these judicial missteps.

I see the boys transferring schools, getting probation and a lot of community service. But I highly doubt they will be spending extended periods of time at JDC. It just does not seem likely at this point.

In conclusion, I really feel bad for all those involved (the boys, girls, and students of WS). The boys will forever been known as "rapists", the girls will forever be known as the "school sluts", and students of WSHS are now generalized as "degenerates". Really a shitty, lose-lose-lose situation.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: M. Leeds ()
Date: February 09, 2013 06:54PM

The boys have been charged with a potentially serious sex crimes. Why are they still in school, and WHY THE HELL ARE THEY STILL ON SPORTS TEAMS?

I thought that being charged with a crime by the police and taken to jail would automatically result in suspension from extracurricular activities. Isn't that always the policy? If so why the hell are our tax dollars being spent to let these degenerates play sports? Other schools' coaches should be protesting that these kids are still playing.

Also obviously the police felt that the girls DID NOT consent to be filmed. If they did, they would have been charged with producing kiddie porn as well.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 09, 2013 07:17PM

So in addition to being perverts, they are also bullies. Again, why are they still in school?

msdrea Wrote:
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> From what I read in the Washington Post, the boys
> didn’t pass the video’s around, they were
> turned in by an anonymous student who heard about
> it and got pissed because they wouldn’t show and
> tell.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: And More ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:50PM

So when the cops started asking questions, the boys did not have the good sense to erase the videos? What were they saving them for? To show at the girls weddings? Or to coerce them later into doing something they would not want to do?

Can't imagine anyone making it to age 15 without knowing that alcohol possession is illegal, sexting is bad, and videotaping teen sex and sharing it is illegal. Of course they should have known what would eventually happen. Sort of like the last episode of Skins.

Surprised that based solely on what the boys have admitted that they were not suspended with a recommendation for expulsion. Like what would happen if the girls shared a Pamprin.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:52PM

Get your point, put if you have seen the pathetic thing that too many parents call parenting today, aka being your kids friend and lawyer, it all makes perfect sense to me when things like this happen.


And More Wrote:
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> So when the cops started asking questions, the
> boys did not have the good sense to erase the
> videos? What were they saving them for? To show
> at the girls weddings? Or to coerce them later
> into doing something they would not want to do?
>
> Can't imagine anyone making it to age 15 without
> knowing that alcohol possession is illegal,
> sexting is bad, and videotaping teen sex and
> sharing it is illegal. Of course they should have
> known what would eventually happen. Sort of like
> the last episode of Skins.
>
> Surprised that based solely on what the boys have
> admitted that they were not suspended with a
> recommendation for expulsion. Like what would
> happen if the girls shared a Pamprin.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: February 09, 2013 10:52PM

M. Leeds Wrote:
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> The boys have been charged with a potentially
> serious sex crimes. Why are they still in school,
> and WHY THE HELL ARE THEY STILL ON SPORTS TEAMS?
>
> have been charged with producing kiddie porn as
> well.


FCPS zero tolerance is only applied to those the district doesn't favor.

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Funny Lawyers ()
Date: February 09, 2013 11:38PM

Funny how the defendants lawyers want to try this in the press... it's only drinking, sharing teen sex videos among a few friends, boys are victims, etc.

They know that the Commonwealth's Attorney can't and won't argue with them in public.

By now each boy's lawyer has informed their client to not talk with the other boys or their lawyers, and that their interests may not be the same.

Real funny will be when the CA decides to try them as adults in Circuit Court. They will play Let's Make a Deal where the first one to agree wins.

It may be time to take the plea deals and move on to the civil suits. Before more girls come forward. Six named victims are far more than needed to send these boys downstate. They are toast if it becomes eight or ten. See more girls line up to say they were betrayed, taken advantage of, coerced, or whatever.

And no, I know nothing about this specific case. Just seen it before.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: dWH7n ()
Date: February 10, 2013 03:51AM

there are no fucking victims AT ALL!

read the fucking paper

the ONLY charge that may be brought up is the one relating to child pornography

i will make this simple:

if they never recorded all the acts drinking and sex then there would be nothing to charge at all

the boys AND girls were aware and consented to being recorded

the girls even talked to the recording like it was a fucking tv show

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: .... ()
Date: February 10, 2013 07:49AM

The important word in your post is "if" ... But they DID make those recordings, didn't they. Letting them continue to play sports when the official school policy states that underage drinking is grounds for being kicked off the team sends the message loud and clear to every high school athlete that those rules do not really apply to them and they may carry on as usual. Especially if they are white, upper middle class, and have lawyers.

As for the child porn charge ... The number of videos and the number of months it went on are likely the reason charges are being considered. Not the number of participants (please note I didn't use the word victims since it disturbs you so.) Do you truly believe that those 3 boys were the only ones to ever view the videos and they never showed them to any other kid?? My assertion is of course purely speculative, but I say that is HIGHLY unlikely ...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Funny parents ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:01AM

The kids' lawyers are behaving exactly as anyone would expect. It is the PARENTS who are showing no apparent interest in taking any responsibility for their kids' actions. For them to allow their kids to stay on the sports teams speaks volumes.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: FEHjG ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:10AM

.... Wrote:
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> The important word in your post is "if" ... But
> they DID make those recordings, didn't they.
> Letting them continue to play sports when the
> official school policy states that underage
> drinking is grounds for being kicked off the team
> sends the message loud and clear to every high
> school athlete that those rules do not really
> apply to them and they may carry on as usual.
> Especially if they are white, upper middle class,
> and have lawyers.
>
> As for the child porn charge ... The number of
> videos and the number of months it went on are
> likely the reason charges are being considered.
> Not the number of participants (please note I
> didn't use the word victims since it disturbs you
> so.) Do you truly believe that those 3 boys were
> the only ones to ever view the videos and they
> never showed them to any other kid?? My assertion
> is of course purely speculative, but I say that is
> HIGHLY unlikely ...


i am not addressing the school or their responsibilities, i do not care

i am pointing out that there were no victims, all willingly participated

and that the only charges relate to the recordings = possession of child pornography, which is fucking ridiculous, because the only children involved were the WILLING BOYS AND GIRLS IN THE FIRST PLACE

you want to beat down the school doors about their policies? go for it
i do not see any crime in ALL of the kids actions - maybe underage drinking, add to that some pre-historic VA laws regarding sex

they ((boys and girls) should not be charged with anything
and all this has nothing to do with the school if you want to go that route, but again, i really do not care if they are in school or playing sports

these kids did what kids have been doing for a hundred years, ONLY difference is that modern technology allowed them to record it and have a way to offer the recording to the world

are the guys dicks? yes
are the girls sluts? yes
are they all dumb as shit to have recorded their actions? yes
did they do anything illegal? no

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: CHpMH ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:18AM

Whether you agree with the statutes or not does not determine whether or not something is illegal. The law regarding child porn is on the books and will be carefully reviewed and interpreted in court if indeed this case goes that far. Everyone does it is not a very persuasive defense ...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:42AM

let me address some misunderstandings:

FCPS cannot....I repeat......cannot expel or otherwise keep a student out of school just because he/she committed a crime in the neighborhood (off school grounds).

Va state law dictates what a school board can do with certain crimes. In order to be removed from school due to a crime in the neighborhood, a student has to be convicted of certain crimes which are spelled out specifically in the state law. Most of those crimes have to do with rape, robbery, distribution of narcotics, etc etc. The crime these kids supposedly committed does not fall under that law allowing removal. So........although I wouldn't want my child to stay there under the circumstances, these young men and women certainly can and FCPS cant do anything about that even,,if they wanted to.

I am sure someone will disagree with me, so i can post the state statues if you want to read them for yourselves.....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:07AM

yeah, i call bs on this. even if they don't expel someone they can suspend them and certainly not allow them to participate in afterschool activities. Those are a privilege and not a right. It just seems like the school was too lazy to do that cause they didn't want to argue with the parents. Then people bitched so the sicced the popo on em

None* Wrote:
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> let me address some misunderstandings:
>
> FCPS cannot....I repeat......cannot expel or
> otherwise keep a student out of school just
> because he/she committed a crime in the
> neighborhood (off school grounds).
>
> Va state law dictates what a school board can do
> with certain crimes. In order to be removed from
> school due to a crime in the neighborhood, a
> student has to be convicted of certain crimes
> which are spelled out specifically in the state
> law. Most of those crimes have to do with rape,
> robbery, distribution of narcotics, etc etc. The
> crime these kids supposedly committed does not
> fall under that law allowing removal.
> So........although I wouldn't want my child to
> stay there under the circumstances, these young
> men and women certainly can and FCPS cant do
> anything about that even,,if they wanted to.
>
> I am sure someone will disagree with me, so i can
> post the state statues if you want to read them
> for yourselves.....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: James ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:28AM

msdrea Wrote:
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> What about the girls?
> Why werent they arrested?
> It takes two people to have sex, so why were only
> the boys targeted?
> Shouldnt they be charged with lewd and lascivious
> acts, face punishment and placed on the sex
> offender list?


What about the girls? All they were doing is having sex. Its not against the law to have sex.

Lewd and Lascivious behavior? I love it when idiots make up the law as the go along.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Nota Lawyer ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:30AM

None* Wrote:
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> let me address some misunderstandings:
>
> FCPS cannot....I repeat......cannot expel or
> otherwise keep a student out of school just
> because he/she committed a crime in the
> neighborhood (off school grounds).

Well...according to the SR&R they can:

>>> "...Students may also be disciplined for acts committed away from school
>>> property and outside school hours if the conduct is detrimental to the
>>> interest of the school, adversely affects school discipline, and/or
>>> results in a criminal charge
or conviction..."

http://www.fcps.edu/dss/ips/ssaw/SRR/2012-13/2012-13-SRR.pdf

In any case, this actually has nothing to do with the school. IMHO, the ONLY reason the school was "brought into this", given ONLY what I've read HERE, is the police used the school's search policy to find evidence of a crime - OUTSIDE school the "probable reason" to search their phones probably wouldn't have been sufficient.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:42AM

WSAWJI.....

Say what you want. In this case, FCPS cannot and does not have the authority to suspend these kids or keep them from after school activities....

You do not know what you are talking about.....sorry

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:43AM

prove it

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:47AM

btw, here the relevant section that says they can be disciplined from the document NOTA LAWYER posted above:

"Students may
also be disciplined for acts committed away from school property and outside school hours if the
conduct is detrimental to the interest of the school, adversely affects school discipline, and/or
results in a criminal charge or conviction."

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 10:14AM

Yep....exactly right. None of those apply except for the "criminal charge" part. And in that case....the criminal charge has to be one that is defined in the state statute. The last time I looked, their charge was not one of those listed.

In addition, they have to be CONVICTED of the charge. lets say a kid is charged in the neighborhood of distributing marijuana. That kid can be recommended for exclusion form the school he is going to....BUT.... he can remain in school until CONVICTED. Nine time out of ten, the charge is busted down to a crime that is not reportable to FCPS and is therefore one you cannot exclude for anyway.

Believe me....I work in the school system and and I do not agree with any of this BS, but that IS the way it is.....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 10:39AM

It says clearly that students MAY be disciplined for acts outside of school AND/OR it results in a criminal conviction.

If administrators want to sit on their hands by claiming the AND/OR is an AND, then they are dodging their job.

And if they want to bring in the fuzz because a situation has risen to the level of "adversely affecting school discipline" but they don't want to go through the byatch process of excluding the punks, then that really sucks.

you don't have to expel, but you ought to discipline--no sports, no dance . . . it seems pretty clear that's what "deterimental to the interest of the school" and AND/OR means.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Pervert ()
Date: February 10, 2013 10:51AM

Where can I get copies of the videos? ;-)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: laundry ()
Date: February 10, 2013 11:18AM

wsawji has a good point. The schools spend gobs of time (and money) writing the SR&R and having kids read the SR&R (like the whole first week of school). Then everyone signs the SR&R. When something happens (and all the kids know it) and the SR&R is disregarded (even in part) for kids who are white athletes at an upper middle class high school, there is a problem. If these kids are not punished at all, there is a message sent to other kids. The fact that sports are more important than discipline is a message that is being heard strongly here. The principal of this school has done damage to the arts by removing one of the band teachers and forcing out the art and drama teachers (last year). The orchestra teacher retired. Meanwhile the sports teams have gotten new uniforms, new tennis courts were installed, etc. etc. I think he is finally getting that his image needs to change on this . . . but this case has brought these things to the forefront again. WSHS is a good school for the most part. Keeping academics and the arts strong there should be just as important as sports. One is not more important than the other.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 11:48AM

exactly, laundry!

and those of us who've been involved with WS for a little while remember this is exactly how Wardinsky got into trouble--screwing around with crap like giving retakes for cheaters and having recess in the middle of the day rather than dealing with kids who pelt disabled kids with food

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 10, 2013 11:56AM

question: what's really happening to the kids on the "street" level? Anybody know? Are they being shunned or treated like rockstars over all this?

Might be that all the kids invovled have learned that this sorta thing is cool, and that they've gained wanted popularity over all this. Just curious to how Spartan Country is seeing this..............

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: none* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 12:50PM

ok...I am going to try for one last time. And keep in mind, I do not agree with this. I am just telling you the way it is as of now.....

Here is what you posted from the SR&R

"Students may also be disciplined for acts committed away from school property and outside school hours if the conduct is detrimental to the interest of the school,adversely affects school discipline, and/or
results in a criminal charge or conviction."

Thats what it says......

Explain to me how 15 and 16 year old kids having consensual sex several months ago last summer is detrimental to the interest of the school, or adversely effects school discipline NOW?????????.

Sure....the behavior resulted in a criminal charge, BUT NOT ONE THAT FCPS CAN EXPEL FOR!!!!!!!!!!! Here are the ones that FCPS can act on BASED ON STATE LAW!!!!

1. A firearm offense pursuant to Article 4 (§ 18.2-279 et seq.), 5 (§ 18.2-288 et seq.), 6 (§ 18.2-299 et seq.), or 7 (§ 18.2-308 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;

2. Homicide, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-30 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;

3. Felonious assault and bodily wounding, pursuant to Article 4 (§ 18.2-51 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;

4. Criminal sexual assault, pursuant to Article 7 (§ 18.2-61 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;

5. Manufacture, sale, gift, distribution or possession of Schedule I or II controlled substances, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;

6. Manufacture, sale or distribution of marijuana or synthetic cannabinoids pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;

7. Arson and related crimes, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-77 et seq.) of Chapter 5 of Title 18.2;

8. Burglary and related offenses, pursuant to §§ 18.2-89 through 18.2-93;

9. Robbery pursuant to § 18.2-58;

10. Prohibited criminal street gang activity pursuant to § 18.2-46.2;

11. Recruitment of other juveniles for a criminal street gang activity pursuant to § 18.2-46.3; or

12. An act of violence by a mob pursuant to § 18.2-42.1.

Do you see distributing porn anywhere there champ????

Look....if it were up to me and most Principals I know in FCPS, none of them want these kids going to their schools and would like nothing better than to be able to punish them for these acts if they were guilty. Right now, due to state law, FCPS Policy, and based on the facts of the case as we know it, they do not have the authority to do that.

If you go expelling kids for having sex during the summer, you will not have anyone left in school. There is no evidence at this point that they did anything but have consensual sex with each other and recorded it. The evidence suggest the recordings were not even given to anyone other than those involved in the consensual sex. I predict this case will be kicked out of court because it has no merit within the law it was charged under....

Regardless of what happens in court, FCPS cannot do anything with the students.....like it or not

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y'all do realize that stuff like this BS is the reason we have places like MOUTAIN VIEW and BRYANT, dont you? o_0
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 10, 2013 01:06PM

@none - it's sad you have to hold yr hand and walk them thru it step by step.

@everybody else - LOVE how you think expelling the kids will "fix everything" - where do y'all get this "bullet to the head" mentality?

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Re: y'all do realize that stuff like this BS is the reason we have places like MOUTAIN VIEW and BRYANT, dont you? o_0
Posted by: kp343 ()
Date: February 10, 2013 01:22PM

I have not seen that many posters interested in expulsion. Kicking them off the sports teams seems more in line with the proven events (underage drinking) and the court will or will not provide punishment regarding the child porn allegation.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: An opinion ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:00PM

They should be hanged

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:19PM

Again I call bs. The SR&R says nothing about state law being the source of the definition for "conduct . . . detrimental to the school [OR] adversely affect[ing] school discipline".

You have asserted that because state law does define certain acts as meriting expulsion, that that is the standard for this obviously different category of acts which is "detrimental to the school [OR] adversely affect[ing] school discipline."

But its obviously not here. First of all, the notion that all discipline must result in suspension or expulsion is a STRAW MAN. No one is saying that. In fact, many above have said the opposite

My point is that perhaps it wouldn't have even got to this point if some actual discipline had been imposed at some point prior to narc-ing the kids out to the cops because after parents found out about it, and found out nothing was done, they went ballistic.

Second, making films of students having sex off school grounds is plenty good reason, once it becomes known to the school, for bouncing kids off sports teams, off honor societies, out of extra-curriculars. . . . Its just it seems the school didn't want to step up and do any of that because they were lazy, or these were athletes, or for whatever reason. . . . perhaps at some point they'll have to answer why. . . but none of this straw man shit about "not reaching the standard for expulsion" is going to help them then.



none* Wrote:
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> ok...I am going to try for one last time. And
> keep in mind, I do not agree with this. I am just
> telling you the way it is as of now.....
>
> Here is what you posted from the SR&R
>
> "Students may also be disciplined for acts
> committed away from school property and outside
> school hours if the conduct is detrimental to the
> interest of the school,adversely affects school
> discipline, and/or
> results in a criminal charge or conviction."
>
> Thats what it says......
>
> Explain to me how 15 and 16 year old kids having
> consensual sex several months ago last summer is
> detrimental to the interest of the school, or
> adversely effects school discipline NOW?????????.
>
> Sure....the behavior resulted in a criminal
> charge, BUT NOT ONE THAT FCPS CAN EXPEL
> FOR!!!!!!!!!!! Here are the ones that FCPS can
> act on BASED ON STATE LAW!!!!
>
> 1. A firearm offense pursuant to Article 4 (§
> 18.2-279 et seq.), 5 (§ 18.2-288 et seq.), 6 (§
> 18.2-299 et seq.), or 7 (§ 18.2-308 et seq.) of
> Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;
>
> 2. Homicide, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-30 et
> seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;
>
> 3. Felonious assault and bodily wounding, pursuant
> to Article 4 (§ 18.2-51 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of
> Title 18.2;
>
> 4. Criminal sexual assault, pursuant to Article 7
> (§ 18.2-61 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;
>
> 5. Manufacture, sale, gift, distribution or
> possession of Schedule I or II controlled
> substances, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-247 et
> seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;
>
> 6. Manufacture, sale or distribution of marijuana
> or synthetic cannabinoids pursuant to Article 1
> (§ 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;
>
> 7. Arson and related crimes, pursuant to Article 1
> (§ 18.2-77 et seq.) of Chapter 5 of Title 18.2;
>
> 8. Burglary and related offenses, pursuant to §§
> 18.2-89 through 18.2-93;
>
> 9. Robbery pursuant to § 18.2-58;
>
> 10. Prohibited criminal street gang activity
> pursuant to § 18.2-46.2;
>
> 11. Recruitment of other juveniles for a criminal
> street gang activity pursuant to § 18.2-46.3; or
>
> 12. An act of violence by a mob pursuant to §
> 18.2-42.1.
>
> Do you see distributing porn anywhere there
> champ????
>
> Look....if it were up to me and most Principals I
> know in FCPS, none of them want these kids going
> to their schools and would like nothing better
> than to be able to punish them for these acts if
> they were guilty. Right now, due to state law,
> FCPS Policy, and based on the facts of the case as
> we know it, they do not have the authority to do
> that.
>
> If you go expelling kids for having sex during the
> summer, you will not have anyone left in school.
> There is no evidence at this point that they did
> anything but have consensual sex with each other
> and recorded it. The evidence suggest the
> recordings were not even given to anyone other
> than those involved in the consensual sex. I
> predict this case will be kicked out of court
> because it has no merit within the law it was
> charged under....
>
> Regardless of what happens in court, FCPS cannot
> do anything with the students.....like it or not

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: SRO Wannabe ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:34PM

none* Wrote:
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> ok...I am going to try for one last time.
>
> Explain to me how 15 and 16 year old kids having
> consensual sex several months ago last summer is
> detrimental to the interest of the school, or
> adversely effects school discipline NOW?????????.
>
> Sure....the behavior resulted in a criminal
> charge, BUT NOT ONE THAT FCPS CAN EXPEL
> FOR!!!!!!!!!!! Here are the ones that FCPS can
> act on BASED ON STATE LAW!!!!
>
> Regardless of what happens in court, FCPS cannot
> do anything with the students.....like it or not

Explanation: You are misguided.

There are other offenses, not on your list, some of them legal, that can result in "immediate suspension with a recommendation for expulsion."

Just one example: Possessing a knife with a 3.0-inch blade.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Answer for GB ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:42PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> question: what's really happening to the kids on
> the "street" level? Anybody know? Are they being
> shunned or treated like rockstars over all this?
>

Depends on who you ask. If you are not their friend, the boys just say they can't talk about it. To their friends, the answer is that they are laughing about the whole thing, considered lucky rather than rockstars/shunned, and convinced that their lawyers are the best in Virginia who will get them off.

The girls, some of whom have lawyers, are mostly depressed about the whole thing and their reputations that were hurt and friends lost because of the videos.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: compassionate ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:49PM

Nota Lawyer Wrote:
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> In any case, this actually has nothing to do with
> the school.

Except that they all are forced to be together in school every day.

The boys should be schooled elsewhere, at least until this is resolved.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Funny Lawyers ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:55PM

dWH7n Wrote:
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> there are no fucking victims AT ALL!
>

JUST LIKE SHARING A MOTRIN, OR RESPONSIBLY DRINKING ALCOHOL

> read the fucking paper
>
> the ONLY charge that may be brought up is the one
> relating to child pornography
>

WHICH, LIKE POT, SHOULD NOT BE ILLEGAL WHEN THERE ARE NO VICTIMS READY TO ADMIT THEY ARE VICTIMS.

> i will make this simple:
>
> if they never recorded all the acts drinking and
> sex then there would be nothing to charge at all
>

BUT THEY DID.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: college ()
Date: February 10, 2013 03:08PM

When it comes time to apply to colleges, they'll be wishing this hadn't happened. Another student or another student's parents might spill the beans about the arrests, especially if the kids lie on their college applications.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 05:28PM

I give up....think what you want....you are an idiot

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Spartan mom ()
Date: February 10, 2013 06:56PM

College-you really are an idiot. Tattle tailing on college apps??

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: none* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:19PM

I will admit to being wrong, ok?

I was, and am, a pissy little fuck that was a bitch in high-school and am jealous of anyone having any fun, because I sat in the corner for 4 years to cowardly to participate in life.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: The rest of us ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:48PM

none* Wrote:
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> I will admit to being wrong, ok?
>

Thank you. That doesn't happen much around here.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: tide ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:03PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> College-you really are an idiot. Tattle tailing on
> college apps??

It did happen with an FCPS student. A student who got into Yale had lied on the application, and the parent of a classmate informed Yale's admissions office. Probably happens plenty with students in the prep schools, too. Tiger moms, and all that.

Name-calling seems to be standard behavior from anyone who is connected to one of the students who were arrested at school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: nice pun ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:04PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> College-you really are an idiot. Tattle tailing on
> college apps??

Nice pun with "tail" for "tale" by the way. Bet you didn't even realize it.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: amazed ()
Date: February 10, 2013 11:22PM

Any of the other schools that played games against WSHS should complain that these little perverts were ineligible and WSHS should be disqualified. If they were college players, the school would get sanctions. That probably doesn't apply to high schools though. The little buggers have no business participating in extracurricular sports and activities. The girls were not charged but they are being forced to endure an environment that is not conducive to learning. One of them apparently already dropped out rather than face that every day. The boys should be transferred to other schools, if not expelled.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: F katiesmith ()
Date: February 11, 2013 08:12AM

again you see Katie smith spewing out her bullshit about how to parent -my guess is that he or she has never had kids -if she has i would love to see how fucking perfect her kids are -these Wshs kids [when found guilty ] should be expelled and held accountable . Douchebag Katiesmith goes instantly to how awful the parents are as if she has any clue -you cant be with your 16/17 y/o kid at all waking moments of the day . They are going to screw up and make bad decsions and you really hope they dont do something as horrible as this situation . People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones and this bitch is all over this forum going after parents every time she fucking reads a negative story - your shit is getting old and until we examine your back ground and find out your kids are perfect you need to shut the fuck up

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: yyey ()
Date: February 11, 2013 08:48AM

So I was told that the girls were not having sex consciously, that they were just at a party, were drugged (not drunk) then boys had sex with them while they were unconscious, if this is the case, it is a much sicker crime

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: doesn't fit the facts ()
Date: February 11, 2013 09:00AM

yyey Wrote:
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> So I was told that the girls were not having sex
> consciously, that they were just at a party, were
> drugged (not drunk) then boys had sex with them
> while they were unconscious, if this is the case,
> it is a much sicker crime


If that were the case and it's on video, the male students would be locked up. This sure sounds like consensual activity. If anything, the video might serve to vindicate the male students on that point.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Judge said boys will be everyone ()
Date: February 11, 2013 10:18AM

Last night I had a dream that they said boys will be boysXz and fcps and fcps ha to pay the boys 100,000 dollars each.. The girls admit they wanted it and the videos where should on west springfiled girls gone wild

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Anon45 ()
Date: February 11, 2013 10:28AM

Regarding the issue of whether this is a "victimless crime" because "the girls consented..."

That is irrelevant. Possession and distribution of pornography involving a minor, even if it's a consenting minor and it was distributed to only one person, is still a crime. It's a strict liability crime. There is no defense. None. Whether anyone consented or regardless of how few people received the tapes, it's still a crime. Intent and consent are both absolutely irrelevant here.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: doriey ()
Date: February 11, 2013 10:37AM

Anon- you may (or may not) be citing law, not morality. If the girls were having consentual sex then there was no moral crime in taking pictures of it and even distributing, who cares in that case. It was pure enterprise. Why does everybody want to let girls off the hook as if they were just too stupid to know better (I am female)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 11, 2013 11:01AM

SRO Wannabe....

You are wrong again.....

a student in possession of a knife with a blade 3 inches or longer can only be recommended for expulsion if they are in possession ON SCHOOL GROUNDS.

This inccident we are discussing in this link occurred OFF SCHOOL GROUNDS and the laws I cited are dealing with crimmes off school grounds.

A knife with a blade of more than 3 inches is not illegal in Va in and of itself.It might be if it is a certain knind of knife or if it is concealed, but a typical knife with a blade of more than 3 inces is not illegal.

Let me dumb it down for you

If a student is in possession of that same knife on school grounds, he is in violation of the law and can be expelled.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: MYOPINION ()
Date: February 11, 2013 12:58PM

The sports were not school sponsored, it was a house league.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: WS Class of '13 ()
Date: February 11, 2013 01:42PM

The reason WSHS is involved is because the videos were shown on school property by the students who made the videos to other students.

The videos were shared among the at WS late last spring and this past fall and were then forgotten until one of the girls in one of the videos started going out with her new boyfriend. Someone asked the new boyfriend if he had seen the video staring his new girlfriend. He asks girlfriend about video she says they were taken when she was drunk and without her knowledge. He started asking around and found out who had the video. He was shown a brief snippet of the video and told the person who had it on their phone to erase it. They did, but that person was not the original owner. The new boyfriend found the original owner of the videos and asked him to erase the video of his girlfriend. Owner refused. Fight ensues. Facing 3 day suspension new boyfriend talks about videos, school resource officer brought in. Investigation ensues.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Try ()
Date: February 11, 2013 02:14PM

dumbass kid that refused to removed the videos.
WS Class of '13 Wrote:
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> The reason WSHS is involved is because the videos
> were shown on school property by the students who
> made the videos to other students.
>
> The videos were shared among the at WS late last
> spring and this past fall and were then forgotten
> until one of the girls in one of the videos
> started going out with her new boyfriend. Someone
> asked the new boyfriend if he had seen the video
T> staring his new girlfriend. He asks girlfriend


> about video she says they were taken when she was
> drunk and without her knowledge. He started
> asking around and found out who had the video. He
> was shown a brief snippet of the video and told
> the person who had it on their phone to erase it.
> They did, but that person was not the original
> owner. The new boyfriend found the original owner
> of the videos and asked him to erase the video of
> his girlfriend. Owner refused. Fight ensues.
> Facing 3 day suspension new boyfriend talks about
> videos, school resource officer brought in.
> Investigation ensues.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 11, 2013 04:08PM

The chain of evidence seems to support that the School narc-ed it to the police because they didn't want to deal with it.

Your tax dollars at work--take a pass on disciplining the kids at school, and let the county spend $1000 or $10,000 more by letting the cops investigate it

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: McPedo Bear ()
Date: February 11, 2013 04:13PM

This incident pales in comparison to the danger that has been placed upon the Rose Hill community by the release from prison of convicted sex offender Charles Rust-Tierney, or Charles Tierney as he is now known. Tierney was convicted of purchasing pornography that featured toddlers been bound and forcefully raped and assaulted.

Charles Tierney is child molesting scum and lives in our Rose Hill neighborhood on Climbhill Road and is very likely to re-offend by either seeking child pornography or his intent may escalate into assaluting children himself.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: not a fan ()
Date: February 11, 2013 05:09PM

I was at WSHS recently for a youth league basketball game - what a shithole. Looks like it was built in 60's and never touched since.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Blowtorch ()
Date: February 11, 2013 05:39PM

WS Class of '13 Wrote:
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> The reason WSHS is involved is because the videos
> were shown on school property by the students who
> made the videos to other students.
>
> The videos were shared among the at WS late last
> spring and this past fall and were then forgotten
> until one of the girls in one of the videos
> started going out with her new boyfriend. Someone
> asked the new boyfriend if he had seen the video
> staring his new girlfriend. He asks girlfriend
> about video she says they were taken when she was
> drunk and without her knowledge. He started
> asking around and found out who had the video. He
> was shown a brief snippet of the video and told
> the person who had it on their phone to erase it.
> They did, but that person was not the original
> owner. The new boyfriend found the original owner
> of the videos and asked him to erase the video of
> his girlfriend. Owner refused. Fight ensues.
> Facing 3 day suspension new boyfriend talks about
> videos, school resource officer brought in.
> Investigation ensues.

Finally, a theory that makes some sense. I can believe this scenario.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: vccv ()
Date: February 11, 2013 05:40PM

there is nothing wrong with the way WSHS looks, I can't really see any difference when you compare it to Robinson, that looks like a shit hole from the 1970's. I still like WSHS better.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Hysterical Historian. ()
Date: February 11, 2013 05:52PM

not a fan Wrote:
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> I was at WSHS recently for a youth league
> basketball game - what a shithole. Looks like it
> was built in 60's and never touched since.

AFAIK, West Springfield was built in 1966 and has not been updated.

Liz Bradsher's political career ran aground on that rocky shore when she voted to close Clifton Elementary School in a quid pro quo for getting WSHS moved up in the update queue, and all the Clifton parents completely lost their shit about it.

They should just rename WSHS "The Rock" for all the careers that come to a crashing end on it. (Bradsher, Wardinski, and it looks like Greenfelder may start floundering very soon.)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Zzzzz ()
Date: February 12, 2013 11:27AM

Zzzzzzz......

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: GS-14 ()
Date: February 12, 2013 12:22PM

If this is the same mom who I think it is -- Please pick-up after your dog when it poops in our yard. Better yet, stay out of our cul-de-sac! I find the sound of your phony laugh, extremely annoying.

I do find it amusing there are others in this community, that have the same opinions of you, as I. Now, I know why I don't see you and your kid at the pool during the summer anymore. Fantastic!!


SpartanBBMom Wrote:
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> I'm going to have to agree with the decline of the
> WS area. When we moved to the DC Metro area from
> the west coast, with a short stint in New Jersey,
> WS was a great area to raise a family. Not so,
> now. I have a son at WSHS, as well as, a son just
> starting HVES. Gotta say - Yuck! The teachers
> are terrible. I believe it has to do with the
> 'new' generation of young teachers that just don't
> have the patience. The kids seem to have ADDHD at
> all levels. The PTA, talk about clique! If
> you're not in the 'know', they regard you as
> trash. Once my son graduates HS, we'll probably
> look to relocate elsewhere. Maybe somewhere
> farther west of VA.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: fuckface ()
Date: February 12, 2013 12:36PM

Actually, she wasn't the one that brought up the case nor was it her boyfriend. It was someone at your grade who came up to Plazio and told him about the situation cause she simply heard about it and snitced cause she thought that the whole situation was wrong. Andrew, Eric, and Tyler were actually scared shitless after they found out about the school knowing about it and they did delete the videos after they were informed about it and before they were raided. They have not, however, pleaded guilty to court and the only reason why they made an arrest was because an anonymous person dropped off one of the remaining videos that was somehow sent to him to Plazio's office. Since they haven't pleaded guilty, the department of commonwealth officers are doing some computer forensics work on that one video and some other videos that they somehow recovered, but since they were such shitty quality, they're having a hard time determining whether it was really them or not. There's plenty of witnesses that know they are guilty and they still are charged with possesion and distrubuting child pornography for now, but there's still some chances those charges could get dropped but it's still slim. The girls admit it was consentual hence the fact that they're not charged with rape, but it still wasn't right for them to be video taping them behind their backs and have them send to their friends. It goes completely against the girls right so for all you assholes who think it's the girls fault, it really wasn't. They had no clue what was going on and they were drunk. They took advantage of them and it's still not fair how they could walk around the same school the girls go to.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: justsayinn ()
Date: February 12, 2013 04:10PM

we read an article about this in english it was awkwardd >_>

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Ahhhhh... ()
Date: February 12, 2013 04:15PM

Hysterical Historian. Wrote:
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> AFAIK, West Springfield was built in 1966 and has
> not been updated.

It was "renovated" in the early 90's, but it was a shit job. The contractors ended up being sued by the county for the crappy planning and workmanship.

Immediately after the renovation, WSHS had several months worth of kids fainting on a daily basis. They never found a cause, at least not that they admitted, anyway.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Liz ()
Date: February 12, 2013 08:23PM

Ahhhhh... Wrote:
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>
> Immediately after the renovation, WSHS had several
> months worth of kids fainting on a daily basis.
> They never found a cause, at least not that they
> admitted, anyway.

I heard the well was contaminated, and there weren't enough students for the school so they were going to close it...oops, wrong thread.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: SRO Wannabe ()
Date: February 13, 2013 01:22AM

None* Wrote:
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> SRO Wannabe....
>
> You are wrong again.....
>
> Let me dumb it down for you
>
> If a student is in possession of that same knife
> on school grounds, he is in violation of the law
> and can be expelled.

So what happens if a student has a video on their cell phone of 15-year-olds having sex, and they bring that cell phone on school grounds?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: A Message from the Girl Scouts ()
Date: February 13, 2013 10:18AM

A message that is worth noting in this case.
Attachments:
girls.jpg

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: oollp ()
Date: February 13, 2013 10:31AM

not a fan Wrote:
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> I was at WSHS recently for a youth league
> basketball game - what a shithole. Looks like it
> was built in 60's and never touched since.

It HAS been touched since it's construction in the 60's. Touched by ten of thousands of vandals over almost 50 years.

It is a testament to the builder's skill that the place is still standing. Let me add that the place, in it's current condition, is good enough for the stupid motherfuckers that walk it's halls.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Anon45 ()
Date: February 13, 2013 11:37AM

doriey said:

"Anon- you may (or may not) be citing law, not morality. If the girls were having consentual sex then there was no moral crime in taking pictures of it and even distributing, who cares in that case. It was pure enterprise. Why does everybody want to let girls off the hook as if they were just too stupid to know better (I am female)"

Doriey and others: The Commonwealth's Attorney won't care about the "morality" of this case. There is no such thing as a "moral crime." It's either a crime as defined by the Virginia Code or it isn't...morality doesn't factor into it. If the girls are under a certain age, the law says they CAN'T consent, even if they did consent. That is why it's a strict liability crime. A kid CANNOT consent to being filmed having sex. The law presumes no consent for anyone under the age of consent. Morality has nothing to do with it and is not relevant. Stop whining about how the girls consented, it was all in good fun, this was a teenage prank, etc. The law does not care about any of that. In a strict liability crime, THERE IS NO DEFENSE. The boys committed a strict liability crime. The Commonwealth's Attorney has a duty to prosecute. Nothing else matters. End of story.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Anon45 ()
Date: February 13, 2013 12:00PM

Here is the Virginia Code section, in pertinent part, with my notes in <</>>.

§ 18.2-374.1:1. Possession, reproduction, distribution, solicitation, and facilitation of child pornography; penalty.

A. Any person who knowingly possesses child pornography is guilty of a Class 6 felony.

>> The use of the word "knowingly" provides a defense for someone who didn't know they possessed child porn. That means it's not strict liability. There is an affirmative defense. In this case, the boys can't claim they didn't "know" they possessed child porn.<<


C. Any person who (i) reproduces by any means, including by computer, sells, gives away, distributes, electronically transmits, displays with lascivious intent, purchases, or possesses with intent to sell, give away, distribute, transmit, or display child pornography with lascivious intent or (ii) commands, entreats, or otherwise attempts to persuade another person to send, submit, transfer or provide to him any child pornography in order to gain entry into a group, association, or assembly of persons engaged in trading or sharing child pornography shall be punished by not less than five years nor more than 20 years in a state correctional facility. Any person who commits a second or subsequent violation under this subsection shall be punished by a term of imprisonment of not less than five years nor more than 20 years in a state correctional facility, five years of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment.

>>"Lascivious intent" applies to "display" only. The rest is strict liability<<

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: halothane ()
Date: February 13, 2013 04:18PM

What in the fuck does that have to do with this thread? go back to eating your paint chips.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: curious3 ()
Date: February 14, 2013 09:31AM

Do you have a link to that memo or know where it could be found by an chance?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: URA DUMBASS ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:01AM

To: James and clueless parents Wrote:
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> This hearing was open to the public and the press.
> If you don't believe the info, see if you can get
> a transcript. Regardless of what you believe, the
> prosecuting and defense attorneys, and the judge,
> all have the evidence. I think the Fairfax County
> School Board should ask for proof of when the
> arrest warrant was signed, as well as the score
> sheet, and discuss with FCPD/Intake Officer on the
> criteria used to justify the detention order. The
> boys shouldn't have been arrested, and especially
> at the school. My guess, clueless parents, is
> that theft and vandalism score high enough to get
> a detention order. In despite what you think,
> James, the judge knows more than you.
>
> The school didn't hide anything; they don't have
> jurisdiction to investigate alleged activity that
> occurs off of school grounds.
>
> Obviously the kids didn't know the laws about
> child pornography, just like the assistant
> principle in Loudon County didn't know that law
> when he was asked to investigate similar activity
> at his school, and was subsequently charged with
> possession of child pornography due to the photo
> he was told to store on his school computer as
> evidence that came from the investigation, and he
> had to spend $150,000 on lawyers fees to clear his
> name due to a radical prosecutor. Otherwise, he
> would've been a registered sex offender. Many
> adults don't even understand the sodomy law in
> Virginia; if you're not married, and engage in
> oral, vaginal, or anal sex, you can be prosecuted
> (oral and anal sex are felonies in Virginia, even
> if you are married). So, James and clueless
> parents, if you ever engage in those activities,
> and someone accuses you of doing such, be prepared
> to hire a lawyer, cause you will be charged with a
> felony.
>
> Also, because so many young people use technology
> and share private info with each other, and
> because many states have not adjusted their laws
> and kids are getting into lots of trouble for
> child pornography when in fact it's sexting, law
> makers in states like New York, Connecticut, Utah,
> Vermont, Ohio, etc. have made efforts to separate
> sexting from child pornography. I wouldn't be
> surprised if the U.S. Supreme Court has to make a
> ruling on the difference between sexting and child
> pornography, just like they did with striking down
> the sodomy law.

"This hearing was open to the public and the press. If you don't believe the info, see if you can get a transcript"


I call BULL SHIT. Hearings in the juvenile and domestic relations court are held in CLOSED courtooms, if you're not part of the case, you get kicked out, including media. State law. Along those lines, you won't get a FOIA copy of the transcripts. What you do have here is a Parent of one of the kids trying to sway public opinion. Little shit stain sat in juvenile hall over the weekend? Boo Hoo.

Not kiddie porn? Some guy in Walla Walla Washington jerking off to it thinks it is. What you nimrods don't understand is when you upload images/videos to the internet, it's out there FOREVER. Scumbags in Belarus data mine Twitter, photo sharing, facebook stickam etc and the like for kiddie porn to host on their servers and monetize it. Even if it's up for a second, it could be copied.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: 3 boys who need fathers ()
Date: February 16, 2013 06:20AM

Public School Trash! A real father would work a second job to send his daughter(s) to a decent private school. Public schools are godless. Public schools are filled with kids who's parents don't give a shit about their kids. Not all the parents are shitty, most are low information voters, they are pre occupied with sports. What do you expect from stupid men raising boys. You are the company you keep...so lie down with these dogs and you will get fleas. Go to one of the private schools around here and you will see the difference. Nine out of ten kids at these schools you call you sir or mam. I know it's a hard choice for you ...new car or decent education for your kid!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: XW9X3 ()
Date: February 16, 2013 06:58AM

3 boys who need fathers Wrote:
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> Public School Trash! A real father would work a
> second job to send his daughter(s) to a decent
> private school. Public schools are godless. Public
> schools are filled with kids who's parents don't
> give a shit about their kids. Not all the parents
> are shitty, most are low information voters, they
> are pre occupied with sports. What do you expect
> from stupid men raising boys. You are the company
> you keep...so lie down with these dogs and you
> will get fleas. Go to one of the private schools
> around here and you will see the difference. Nine
> out of ten kids at these schools you call you sir
> or mam. I know it's a hard choice for you ...new
> car or decent education for your kid!


that is funny

fucking retarded, but funny

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: mo and dad get a F ()
Date: February 16, 2013 07:10AM

The parents are to blame here. These three boys have been raised by complete failures. The crimes committed are not only felonies they are reflections of the parents who are responsible for their character. These parents will learn the hard way in civil court. I bet these parents never thought their lack of parenting would result in raising a rapist. Were these three kids a future George Huguley? I’m willing to bet these families are without religion. I wonder how much time these parents spend entertaining themselves? I’m willing to bet they are the typical sports/T.V/movie addicted families with vanity license plates and bumper stickers telling the world what assholes they are. Mom and Dad you got a F in parenting here.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: XcNjw ()
Date: February 16, 2013 07:12AM

mo and dad get a F Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The parents are to blame here. These three boys
> have been raised by complete failures. The crimes
> committed are not only felonies they are
> reflections of the parents who are responsible for
> their character. These parents will learn the hard
> way in civil court. I bet these parents never
> thought their lack of parenting would result in
> raising a rapist. Were these three kids a future
> George Huguley? I’m willing to bet these
> families are without religion. I wonder how much
> time these parents spend entertaining themselves?
> I’m willing to bet they are the typical
> sports/T.V/movie addicted families with vanity
> license plates and bumper stickers telling the
> world what assholes they are. Mom and Dad you got
> a F in parenting here.

that is funny

fucking retarded, but funny

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: adgasdg ()
Date: February 16, 2013 07:46AM

Mo and Dad get an F: seems extremely simplistic, your concepts of good parenting. It could be worse, instead of not having dumbass religion they could grow up to be republicans living in some tracthouse working for the government, doesn't get any worse than that, I would rather have a rapist

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Private school parent ()
Date: February 16, 2013 07:54AM

I certainly agree that parenting is an issue here. But I can assure you that the behaviors on display in this case occur with equal regularity in the private schools and are responded to in pretty much the same way as well (lawyering up and proclaiming how "good" their child is ...)

The truth as I see it is that this type of incident could befall many a kid in this area. It is a function of what has become typical teenage behavior for the area (rampant early alcohol, pot, sex and phones) coupled with typical immature teenage judgment (or lack thereof.) I caution parents from assuming that their own parenting would prevent this from happening in their own families, because we are all fighting an upstream battle with today's culture. Luck plays a role.

Regarding the parents in this case ... One hopes that they are attempting more discipline privately that we would not know about (seeing as it is none of our business) in addition to hiring lawyers. Better late than never. But not yanking their kids off beloved sports teams (even non-school associated ones) is a tell-tale sign that nothing much has changed.

Good dads are really critical to raising boys respectful to girls. That doesn't mean being a virgin until age 23, obviously, but the behavior demonstrated here seems avoidable. My son would have great difficulty sitting down in a chair if found to be involved in such an incident ... His butt would be as red as his face and he would have no phone and no sports for a long time. Some face to face apologies to the girls fathers might just do the trick as well.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: all jobs have fun and not so fun ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:12PM

Good post private school parent. I am a public school parent, but if my son had been involved in this, he would not be going anywhere (much less be on a sports team) for a long, long time. We talk about this kind of stuff and he knows what the home discipline would be if anything like this were to happen. And he knows I'm not playing. This is what being a parent is about. Too many parents think they are the kid's friend. The kids need parenting and that means disciplining them when needed. These parents are definitely not doing their jobs. This is very sad for the kids.

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GOT METH?
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:14PM

ROFLMAO@ those of y'all assuming "parents" are even in the picture

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: SDa ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:37PM

these two morons espousing their crappy untrained psychobabble about parenting is infuriating. You morons who are talking about abusing your kids ("their asses will be red") are EXACTLY the ones that show up with the problems you describe. Get your heads out of your netherregion and get some education before you spout off anything (psychologist).

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Yourcrazy ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:49PM

Well I for one want to congratulate these kids for successfully starting a child pornography ring at such a young age. It's determination like their's that makes for better graduates.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wshs 6 ()
Date: February 16, 2013 02:59PM

#6

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: smpierce ()
Date: February 16, 2013 11:52PM

It is frustrating to see that no one wants to claim ownership of this mess. And now my child's school has a "reputation" that will carry with her every time her school is referenced. Great for those college interviews...

What IMHO we have is a series of fundamental breakdowns at many levels: from the parents to police to the prosecuting attorney to the school and to the media.

Enough has been said about the parents making mistakes for parties of both sexes in this matter. The access to alcohol, free range of unsupervised phone/social media, lecturing on what appropriate behavior is. I think it is clear there has been a degree of neglect or willful blindness by what sounds to be close to 18 parents.

Let’s then see the police. Having MONTHS to investigate what sounds to be the equivalent of a handful of short blips of video capturing consensual sexual behavior and then electing to take the evidence to the prosecutor’s office in hopes of felony cases against a few boys who were not even old enough to drive at the time the videos were made seems like a complete overkill. What good can be gained about this? To prove a point? To show that the school's SRO can go beyond the walls of a school and investigate for months over naked kids fooling around? Everyone seems to agree this didn't happen at school, why are we sending out the resources of law enforcement to investigate kids?? Was there a hope that behind it all was a true mastermind adult pervert?

Then you have the prosecutors office. I have no doubt they "wanted" to do the right thing. But is the right thing really to publically charge CHILDREN with child porno statutes? Is it really the right thing to send police to go arrest kids in school when it is known that nothing happened at school? There is always discretion for the DA to simply say 'no' but someone clearly wanted to make a name for themselves. Perhaps they hoped it would be painted better in the public eye but I can't imagine how. They can stop it at this point but seem to want to imply they want to bring more charges? Geezsh when is elections????

And what about the school? The school is supposed to be the protector of our kids. WSHS and other HS in the area have a full-time police officer on staff, what good is that money spent if all that person does is open the door for needless public arrests and embarrassment to happen on school grounds? Where was the strong-willed administrator that should have said "no" and require the police to arrest the boys off school property? Every story that leads with "west springfield high school" could have been printed as "area teens" (recall they all went to different schools) with just a flicker of thought but instead the school's name is now forever tainted and we have a nice eternal smemorialization called the internet linking the school to these charges indefinitely.

The media too has failed. To hastily report rumors of drugs, unconscious sex (which might as well just be called rape), and overblow a story for headline-chasing-aspirations has now left the boys vulnerable to a tag that they are rapists (as if they held someone down, stabbed them, choked and forced sex upon them as oppose to what appears to me more along the lines of saying "wanna get drunk?" and have a fling with a girlfriend they may have had for years all while awkwardly fumbling with a phone at some point in the. Sure a bad decision, not unreasonable by the fact that kids record and snap pics of everything (food, dog poop, butts) and post them all as trophies, and the sex is not horrific in itself either. These kids knew one another and plenty of friendships turn to regrets and embarrassment through decisions made through puberty (and this was not rape) and now what would have been a lesson in growth for these kids has been taken from the courts and is now splashed all over the news and comments sections to dozens of stories.

Couldn't this all be avoided if just one of these many "protectors" of our youth stood up and said "Wait, we don't need to do ALL this." or is this what the citizens, the parents of WSHS, the parents of the boys/girls all want?

PS: To those who call the boys pedophiles and purveyors of child pornography: it is asinine to argue that same aged sexual behavior means these individuals are locked in the same classification as sex offenders who prey upon young children to fulfill some sadistic sexual attraction. To those crying such things, would this be excusable if the boys had sex with 20 year old females? 30 year olds? What if it was other BOYS rather than sex with girls? What if it was an old disposable fun saver camera that was developed and the boys passed around the picks to one another after school one day? Of if it was a best friend hiding in the closet while their buddy "gets it on" and vicariously having a thrill and captures a video? There is no way the legislature wanted to line up the sexting teens of the world for Sex Offender Registry and it sounds like the media, law enforcement, and DA's office is using such charges as a strong ax to scare and decimate the hopes of these boys. Is there not something more appropriate? Underage possession of alcohol? But no, Child pornography? How does one even begin to suggest policy supports charging that?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: WSHS Inside ()
Date: February 17, 2013 01:23AM

smpierce Wrote:
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> It is frustrating to see that no one wants to
> claim ownership of this mess.

Especially the boys and their parents.

Spending $30K on lawyers is not ownership.

By the way, smpierce, you are clueless.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Spartan mom ()
Date: February 17, 2013 08:51AM

What is that gross thing? Who would post that on multiple threads?

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