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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: to Former WSHS student-athlete ()
Date: February 06, 2013 01:03PM

Your post is so full of grammatical and spelling errors that I am now more worried than ever about that school. Yeesh.

The plural for woman is women. The past tense for drink is drunk (not drank) and the words "there" "they're" and "their" are not interchangeable.

So back to class, please.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Meade's Hillbilly Cousin ()
Date: February 06, 2013 01:35PM

I am confused. The Washington Post quotes the lawyers as saying

“The police investigation in this case was launched based on information provided by a third-party juvenile who admitted to providing completely fabricated information based on a personal agenda,” the attorneys said in the statement. “That juvenile has provided to the police a statement establishing that fact.”

So the student reported WHAT to the school, and then the school reported it to the police, who eventually found these recordings....?

So the student LIED to the school and while the cops were investigating THAT lie found the recordings?

I am running several scenarios through my head to try and figure this out. Nothing jives with what the lawyer is babbling about.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Hoping ()
Date: February 06, 2013 02:01PM

It is odd to me that so many folks seem surprised by interest this news story has generated. I have to assume that it is the young posters who don't see the big deal, for the most part. One day, a good number of them will grow up and have a daughter. They will love that daughter totally and completely. The day will come when the daughter puts on tight fitting clothes and makeup and heads off to high school, possibly hoping that the cool kids will at least notice her. And it is on that day that these young posters will understand why this case is wrenching to some of the rest of us ... we really don't care about whether it was consensual or not. The fact is that no one wants their daughter treated with this level of disrespect no matter what roll she might have played. Yes, it is a double standard. You will one day understand better than you appear to today.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: letsbeserious ()
Date: February 06, 2013 03:08PM

Can someone just put up the videos.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Juicy J ()
Date: February 06, 2013 03:14PM

shout out to da freshmen on instagram straight flexinnn shout out to da spartans straight being a FAGG0T hahahhaahhahahaha

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: stui ()
Date: February 06, 2013 03:19PM

Are these kids being tried as adults? That would be a harsh change from sweet high school pussy to big black nigger dick and asshole. I hope they have lawyers.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Meade's Hillbilly Cousin ()
Date: February 06, 2013 04:03PM

letsbeserious Wrote:
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> Can someone just put up the videos.


There are much cooler ways to wind up in jail, if you want to so much.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: we need your sons ()
Date: February 06, 2013 04:41PM

The LD kids that were attacked are not returning to the school. They have told their parents they don't feel safe at West Springfield High. Their lawyer instructed them not to return. The school has not officially cancelled the senior class activities and this has really pissed off the LD parents. It is sad that the administration and principal is so weak. They thought the threat of cancelling would be enough. They are to afraid of the parents (who bitch about an $100 athletic fee then spend a thousand dollars or more on limos, dinners and class trip/party). The principal has NO BALLS! These selfish punks (students if you want to call them students) were all boys who attacked the LD kids.

If it were me I would get these punks shave their heads and have them picking cigarette butts and trash around the school parking lot.

My kids are home schooled. My seventeen and fifteen year old are going up to West Springfield all this week looking for any of these punks who want to give them some lip so they can try out some of their gold glove training. And I encourage it!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To we need your sons ()
Date: February 06, 2013 04:48PM

What in the hell are you talking about?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Jack Daler ()
Date: February 06, 2013 05:21PM

New principal of WSHS has absolutely no control of school. This position is above his paygrade, brain capacity, and emotional fortitude. Back to the gym, Mr. Monkeybars.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: cliff Hux. ()
Date: February 06, 2013 05:35PM

I think the principal is distracted with hiring a new football coach. Give him some space please.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: evidence lacking?? ()
Date: February 06, 2013 05:37PM

Dumbest post by far.

THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO. REPEAT.

THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO.

No doubt that child porn was produced and distributed. REPEAT.

NO DOUBT.

These kids sang like a canary when the PD showed up at the school.

Rarely do three kids share responsibility in these ugly incidents.

Who was the alpha male of the trio?

The other two will roll over on him-if they haven't already.

Friendships don't survive these events---time to fight for that last lifeboat, fellas. Save yourselves.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Every Man for Himself ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:03PM

evidence lacking?? Wrote:
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> Dumbest post by far.
>
> THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO. REPEAT.
>
> THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO.
>
> No doubt that child porn was produced and
> distributed. REPEAT.
>
> NO DOUBT.
>
> These kids sang like a canary when the PD showed
> up at the school.
>
> Rarely do three kids share responsibility in these
> ugly incidents.
>
> Who was the alpha male of the trio?
>
> The other two will roll over on him-if they
> haven't already.
>
> Friendships don't survive these events---time to
> fight for that last lifeboat, fellas. Save
> yourselves.

Exactly right. This is a major situation and the boys' parents and attorneys are probably encouraging them to turn on their friends. When shit hits the fan as hard as it has in this situation it really is every man for himself. Friendship is great and all, but when it comes between your entire future or a couple of scumbag buddies the choice is not very difficult. Really wouldnt be surprised if two of them completely turn on the other one (the one with the most videos) and let him take most of the fall for this. There's no way out for any of them but at this point you really just need to be selfish and do what is legally best for yourself.

I feel for the girls involved because they will be known for the rest of their high shool careers as "those girls", "whores/sluts", etc. as difficult a time as adolescence already is for young women this is very sad for them even if they made a grave mistake trusting these boys. We all make mistakes girls, it doesn't mean you are a bad person even if other people your age will try to make you feel like that. All the best and hope all works out for you all.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Get a Life people ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:16PM

Come on peeps, this is called Hysteria. In Virginia, if there is evidence of a crime commited against a male or Female, the state can go ahead with Prosocuting the case, they DO NOT NEED anyone to complain, Obviously they have what they need to proceed. They will NOT TALK about the case not only because of all the kids are Minors, but they cannot contaminate the case. This Bull Crap is a Primary reason why. I would start asking questions of the parents Why do they not know what their children are doing. as for the rest, let the courts play it out.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Get a Life people ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:18PM

According to my son who goes there, one of the Girls has her Porn Name picked out already.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Porn Future ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:20PM

Oral Diamond is a good porn name.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: My life defined ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:22PM

Get a life yourself, pal.

My life is devoted---- to keeping my neighborhood, school, community and kids safe from scum like this.

Nothing I can do about the secrecy given the juvenile status, but WSHS needs to step up and CONDEMN THIS BEHAVIOR.

If they don't an ugly stain will remain on this school.

Silence is harmful--just study The Holocaust.

*************************************************

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Rick Ross ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:32PM

Names revealed. Porn name generator. Get yours right here.

http://pr0nname.com/

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Get a Life people ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:41PM

My life defined

Tell you what go to the Virginia State police Web Site and start cut and pasting that info on here, see who really lives next door to you. But last I heard it was still America, even though its dying a dreadful death and people are guilty until proven innocent like you assume!!!!!! as for the school, it should be bulldozed, but recently I cannot say I approve of any FXCO school, I am just holding out 3 years to retire and move the F out of dodge...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Article "disappeared" in WaPost ()
Date: February 06, 2013 08:02PM

Today's online Washington Post article featuring the attorneys has disappeared from the Washington Post website. Maybe the attorneys realized they were not rallying the sympathy they were hoping for?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: shutup ()
Date: February 06, 2013 08:10PM

duhhhhhh Wrote:
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> Just a note for everyone attempting to give these
> boys a free pass on their activities by claiming
> the girls were willing participants:
>
> In the Commonwealth of Virginia there is a minimum
> age set for when someone can consensually agree to
> having sex.
>
> It doesn't matter if the victim has had sex 500
> other times. It doesn't matter if the victims
> drove themselves to the house. It doesn't matter
> if the victims said "yes, please have sex with me,
> videotape it and then freely pass that videotape
> around school". None of that matters. If even one
> of those victims is under the age of consent in
> Virginia, these guys are fucked.
>
> Guys: This is a life lesson in how your poor
> decisions, particularly in regards to how you
> interact with women, will turn around and fuck
> your whole life up.
>
> Even if you don't do something criminal or
> immoral, be careful about what you allow yourself
> to get caught up in. Do not allow yourselves to be
> put in a position where your actions can be
> misconstrued, exagerrated or questioned because it
> will come back to bite you in the ass eventually.
>
>
> You need to be a gentleman to every woman or girl
> you encounter, at all times, always, no matter
> what. First off, it's the right thing to do.
> Secondly, if you don't and you are consistently
> dickish to the women in your life, eventually it's
> going to get you locked up. You might not even get
> locked up for the REALLY dickish things you do,
> and might end up getting locked up over a fake
> story laid out by some girl just trying to get
> back at you for some other dickish move you did.
> It doesn't matter. Eventually it will get you.
>
> Just a warning. Take it for what it's worth.

shut up bitch

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Robbie lowe ()
Date: February 06, 2013 09:10PM

Lowe did this thirty years ago.
People on the Veronica mars show did this.

It is nothing new.

Shame on these boys
>
> "The students allegedly drugged the girls, had sex
> with them, videotaped the entire episode and then
> distributed the tapes."
>
>
>
>
>
> Pretty epic. These kids will be legandary at West
> Springfield for years to come. I bet those girls
> will be attending one of the local private schools
> for the remainder of their high school years.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: You're Wrong! EX WSHS Student ()
Date: February 06, 2013 09:19PM

Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: EX WSHS Student ()
Date: February 01, 2013 09:07PM
The reason the 3 kids did not get suspended or expelled from school is because they didn't do anything illegal inside school. The school should not have any jurisdiction over this becase it simply doesn't involve the school.

YOU are so wrong! The school does have jurisdiction whether you are in or outside of school! Read the FCPS regulations.....Now that they have been "charged" the school will take the appropriate action :)

Section 2000
Title Removal (Suspension, Expulsion, or Exclusion) of Students From School
Number 2610
Status Active
Legal Code of Virginia, Sections 16.1-260, 16.1-301, 16.1-305.1,18.2-56, 18.2-371.2, 22.1-277, 22.1-279.3:1, 22.1-280.4
Last Revised
August 1, 2012
Students may also be disciplined for acts committed away from school property and outside school hours if the conduct is detrimental to the interest of the school or adversely affects school discipline or if the conduct results in a criminal charge or conviction.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Correction ()
Date: February 06, 2013 10:17PM

"Posted by: Article "disappeared" in WaPost ()
Date: February 06, 2013 08:02PM

Today's online Washington Post article featuring the attorneys has disappeared from the Washington Post website. Maybe the attorneys realized they were not rallying the sympathy they were hoping for?"

Just because you don't know how to find an article, doesn't mean it has "disappeared:, Try this genius:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sex-videos-dont-warrant-criminal-charges-defense-attorneys-say/2013/02/05/933a7f9a-6fc4-11e2-8b8d-e0b59a1b8e2a_story.html

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Two Sides to Every Story ()
Date: February 06, 2013 11:27PM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Wowsa ()
Date: February 06, 2013 11:44PM

Two Sides to Every Story Wrote:
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> http://www.wusa9.com/rss/article/241983/158/New-Allegations-In-Child-Porn-Teen-Sex-Videos-Case-

Summarized:

"I don't think the girls are victims any more than the boys are victims. They should've avoided this conduct," said Defense Attorney Lefffler, who is representing a boy who was 14 at the time of the alleged crimes.

Leffler has seen the 10 videos and says some are as short as 10 seconds and as long as 3 minutes. They involve sexual combinations of the three boys and six girls who are all high school students at either West Springfield or Robinson and Lake Braddock Secondary Schools. Leffler says the videos were all taken on one boy's cell phones over the course of the past year.

Leffler says the boys only shared videos with each other.

Mark Petrovich and Gretchen Taylor, separate counsel for the other two charged boys, the 16 years old, released this statement:

On behalf of our clients, who are also victims in this case... The allegation of child pornography remains disputed, and our clients have pleaded not guilty.

WUSA9 spoke with Commonwealth's Attorney Ray Morrogh on Wednesday and asked him whether the girls could also be charged with child porn if they knew that they were being recorded.

He said he could not comment on the details of the case but stood by the charges and said the victims, the girls in this case, will not be charged.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: speedos 4 u ()
Date: February 07, 2013 12:06AM

Kid looks like Lyle Menendez.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Russian Roulette ()
Date: February 07, 2013 12:09AM

"Leffler says the videos were all taken on one boy's cell phones over the course of the past year.

That kid is fucked. Whichever one of the 3 it is, is royally screwed. As has been pointed out in earlier posts, it won't take long for the other 2 to turn on their once good friend to try to save their own asses. Being on these videos is completely different than recording/possessing them. All are going to be in a decent amount of trouble but whoever's cell phone it was is going to take the bull by the horns.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Calm down ()
Date: February 07, 2013 06:47AM

Correction Wrote:
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> "Posted by: Article "disappeared" in WaPost ()
> Date: February 06, 2013 08:02PM
>
> Today's online Washington Post article featuring
> the attorneys has disappeared from the Washington
> Post website. Maybe the attorneys realized they
> were not rallying the sympathy they were hoping
> for?"
>
> Just because you don't know how to find an
> article, doesn't mean it has "disappeared:, Try
> this genius:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sex-video
> s-dont-warrant-criminal-charges-defense-attorneys-
> say/2013/02/05/933a7f9a-6fc4-11e2-8b8d-e0b59a1b8e2
> a_story.html

Calm down and take your medication. The main page no longer has any mention of the article, and when I searched on google with the key words, it did not come up at that time. Sheesh. You must be a real joy to live with.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:08AM

If David Gregory had held up the pornographik video on Meet The Press there would not have been an arrest.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: girls ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:34AM

Probably the girls' parents are lawyering up to sue the boys' parents.

And to those who shriek: "Don't talk about it!" People know stuff like this gets discussed online. If they did not want it to be talked about, they should not have made the videos or left any trail.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To girls ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:03AM

Sure it will be discussed, and there is nothing wrong with that because this type of thing brings up the outstanding issues with teens today. But people shouldn't make wild assumptions before the facts come out because it can paint the wrong picture for both parties involved. People were calling the boys Rapists and the girls sluts and whores before any facts came out.

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West Springfield
Posted by: Kris ()
Date: February 07, 2013 09:01AM

I will admit (new to WS) that I had much higher expectations BUT these generalizations about a school and the students are ridiculous. Just because some idiots make the news doesn't make all the students idiots. There are some great kids there. You smell a lot more weed in the halls at South County, an "affluent" school, even seeing them pass stuff in the hall. There are thugs everywhere and crappy parents everywhere. The lack of parenting is the biggest problem but there are quite a few other Fairfax schools that are just as bad. South County falsifies its statistics, placing kids in high level classes and then throwing away their grades when they don't do well. The administration at West Springfield is 100% better than South County and it is supposed to be great. Maybe it's just Fairfax.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Anon25 ()
Date: February 07, 2013 09:45AM

Who are the "LD" kids and what is that all about?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: spartanjoke ()
Date: February 07, 2013 09:55AM

The post regarding the principal having no control over the sshool is the most clear, thought out post on this thread. Hard to imagine the school getting one worse than the last one but they did it. His reaction to this incident was pathetic. And his inability to find a football coach tells one volumes about WS. I guess him and his DSS sidekick cannot beg anyone enough to come in and clean up the DSS's mess.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: some comments ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:07AM

If this idiot of an attorney thinks this argument will go over well in court, then GOOK LUCK to you. Parents---hear me very clearly--hire another attorney IMMEDIATELY.



> "I don't think the girls are victims any more than
> the boys are victims. They should've avoided this
> conduct," said Defense Attorney Lefffler, who is
> representing a boy who was 14 at the time of the
> alleged crimes.
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Idiotic statment number two. Seriously? Just the three boys saw it and nobody else?????? I can't wait until a dozen boys at WSHS offer testimony contradicting this statement.


> Leffler says the boys only shared videos with each
> other.
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And the fight for the lifeboats begins. No irony lost on the fact that these two families are sharing an attorney.No judge is going to view any of these boys as victims, so they better knock that crap off.

> Mark Petrovich and Gretchen Taylor, separate
> counsel for the other two charged boys, the 16
> years old, released this statement:
>
> On behalf of our clients, who are also victims in
> this case... The allegation of child pornography
> remains disputed, and our clients have pleaded not
> guilty.

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At least the prosecutor has the sense not to charge the girls...good lord, why would that be even considered????



> He said he could not comment on the details of the
> case but stood by the charges and said the
> victims, the girls in this case, will not be
> charged.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Bang! ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:19AM

Russian Roulette Wrote:
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> "Leffler says the videos were all taken on one
> boy's cell phones over the course of the past
> year.
>
> That kid is fucked. Whichever one of the 3 it is,
> is royally screwed. As has been pointed out in
> earlier posts, it won't take long for the other 2
> to turn on their once good friend to try to save
> their own asses. Being on these videos is
> completely different than recording/possessing
> them. All are going to be in a decent amount of
> trouble but whoever's cell phone it was is going
> to take the bull by the horns.

I agree that the kid who did the filming is royally screwed. You, however, should brush up on the meaning of the expression "take the bull by the horns".

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Black Ops ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:24AM

Greenfelder = Dunce in an empty suit. Walks around clueless. His statements and emails must be prepared by staff because the man is illiterate.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Rodney G Leffler ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:48AM

Prominent Fairfax lawyer and former prosecutor Rodney G. Leffler recently found himself a target of the new law. A Fairfax man attempted to get a protective order against the lawyer after the man claimed that they had a run-in over a civil case at Leffler’s office in October, according to court records.

The man, who did not return a call for comment, claimed that Leffler said he was going to throw him out of his office and yelled, “I never want to see you again!” The court did not grant the protective order, and Leffler, who said he was unaware of the request until The Post contacted him, was dismayed.

He called it an abuse of the system.

“To me, what’s interesting, like so many things, we’ve overreacted and now anyone can come in there and apply for a [protective order],” Leffler said.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: specializing in child porn ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:54AM

N.Va. Priest Charged in Child Porn Probe

By Karin Brulliard
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 16, 2005; Page B03

A longtime Catholic priest in Leesburg and other Northern Virginia communities has been indicted by a Loudoun County grand jury on a charge of possession of child pornography, which resulted from a worldwide crackdown, officials said yesterday.

The Rev. Robert C. Brooks, 72, who led St. John the Apostle in Leesburg for 14 years, registered with a child pornography Web site in 2003, attracting the attention of federal investigators, authorities said. Brooks stepped down in October after Loudoun officials told the Diocese of Arlington that they intended to charge him, authorities said.


Brooks's telephone has been disconnected. His attorney, Rodney G. Leffler, did not respond to calls seeking comment.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: defended the Paul VI nut too ()
Date: February 07, 2013 11:05AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-02/10/199l-021000-idx.html
By Tom Jackman/Washington Post Staff Writer

When Jonathan T. Spielberg decided he wanted to attend Paul VI High School full
time, he went to a nearby Kinko's Copies store, typed a bogus three-page report
card and gave himself A's in everything from organic chemistry to U.S.
government. He then submitted the "transcript" to the school, he later told
police.

He also told a police detective he is 27 years old, not the 14-year-old
freshman he had pretended to be in 1998.

The first clues as to how Spielberg fooled the private Fairfax City school into
believing he was the teenage nephew of filmmaker Steven Spielberg emerged
yesterday during a preliminary court hearing in Fairfax County. Jonathan
Spielberg, who legally changed his name from Anoushirvan D. Fakhran in 1997,
did not testify, but school officials and Fairfax City police Detective Michael
Boone did, explaining the chain of events that led to Spielberg's arrest on
fraud and forgery charges.

Chief District Court Judge Richard T. Horan threw out one forgery charge. Boone
testified that Spielberg admitted he has no relative named Spielberg, contrary
to what he wrote in his name-change petition, but Spielberg's lawyer
successfully argued that the information was not required by law and thus the
claim was irrelevant.

However, Horan found there was probable cause to believe Spielberg defrauded
Paul VI. Evidence on a child pornography charge will be heard later.

Spielberg and his lawyer, Rodney G. Leffler, declined to comment yesterday.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: BREAKING NEWS xase DROPED ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:27PM

THE CASE IS DROPPED. THE GIRLS ALLL SAID THEY WANTED TO HAVE SEX. THANKS YOU HAVE A NICE DAY MOVE ON NOW

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: frank ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:40PM

Always amusing to see how people chime in with "They are just being teens" and "They are good kids who made bad choices." Okay. So only poor black kids from Prince George's County or DC should have to face the consequences of their actions! Not the upper middle class white kids from Fairfax County!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: boys will be boys ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:43PM

frank Wrote:
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> Always amusing to see how people chime in with
> "They are just being teens" and "They are good
> kids who made bad choices." Okay. So only poor
> black kids from Prince George's County or DC
> should have to face the consequences of their
> actions! Not the upper middle class white kids
> from Fairfax County!


JUST BECAUSE YOUR A VIRGIN DOESN'T MEAN EVERYONE ELSE IS A VIRGIN. BOYS WILL BE BOYS. THE GIRLS WANTED TO HAVE SEX THEY WANTED MORE THAN THE GUYS

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: POST ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:47PM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: washington post ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:48PM

lthough the lawyer, Rodney G. Leffler, acknowledged that the behavior was stupid and hurtful, he argued that they do not warrant the criminal charges that have been filed. Two 16-year-olds and one 15-year-old have been charged as part of a widening sex scandal at the Fairfax County school.

The girls in the videos all eventually learned they were being filmed, and one is seen topless, speaking directly into the camera in one video, the lawyer said. After the fact, the three students traded the clips among themselves, but they never distributed them widely, he said.

“It’s an unfortunate mix of teenage libido, alcohol and video. It’s nothing more than that,” Leffler said.

Experts called the case a cautionary tale. Teenagers regularly use technology and are becoming increasingly comfortable sharing even the most intimate details of their lives on social media such as Instagram and Twitter. When mixed with alcohol and parties, the experts said, the teens often engage in damaging behavior.

Defense attorneys for the three teens gave their first accounts Tuesday of the case, which they say has been blown out of proportion by rampant rumors in the popular online forum Fairfax Underground and by some local news outlets that have echoed salacious gossip. All say their clients have pleaded not guilty in the case.

Attorneys Mark Petrovich and Gretchen Taylor went so far as to call their two clients “victims” of a hothouse media atmosphere. Leffler declined to sign onto the statement they released.

Leffler said the 10 videos at the heart of the case were shot over 11 months beginning in December 2011. The teens made the videos at house parties at their parents’ homes and at the homes of the teenage girls. One video was made in a car in a parking lot, he said.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: None ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:51PM

Hey buddy stop worrying about grammar and focus on what he has to say.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Washington Post reader ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:00PM

The attorney's statement claims "they Never distributed them widely". Is there a difference in a little bit of porn distribution or a lot? How long until one of them gets mad at the others, or shows an individual and it ends up a "WIDE distribution". These kids are lucky it didn't go "WIDE".

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:14PM

I don't think it is the decline of the DC Metro area, personally I think it is the decline of society. Parents who infantize their children and refuse to discipline then and act like their kids lawyers and friends instead of their parents. Then they turn to the school and say you were supposed to raise my kids for me. What worthless pieces of trash.


SpartanBBMom Wrote:
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> I'm going to have to agree with the decline of the
> WS area. When we moved to the DC Metro area from
> the west coast, with a short stint in New Jersey,
> WS was a great area to raise a family. Not so,
> now. I have a son at WSHS, as well as, a son just
> starting HVES. Gotta say - Yuck! The teachers
> are terrible. I believe it has to do with the
> 'new' generation of young teachers that just don't
> have the patience. The kids seem to have ADDHD at
> all levels. The PTA, talk about clique! If
> you're not in the 'know', they regard you as
> trash. Once my son graduates HS, we'll probably
> look to relocate elsewhere. Maybe somewhere
> farther west of VA.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:18PM

I agree they should be held accountable. However I have also heard the parents in PG county and DC white tooth and nail to get their kids to not be held accountable. That is the problem no one wants their kids accountable. But I have to agree that if a bunch of black kids robbed the house of the parents of these little sexual predators they would completely want the kids arrested and charged.

frank Wrote:
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> Always amusing to see how people chime in with
> "They are just being teens" and "They are good
> kids who made bad choices." Okay. So only poor
> black kids from Prince George's County or DC
> should have to face the consequences of their
> actions! Not the upper middle class white kids
> from Fairfax County!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:23PM

Who cares how they found out? They are still criminals and perverts either way.


Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
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> I am confused. The Washington Post quotes the
> lawyers as saying
>
> “The police investigation in this case was
> launched based on information provided by a
> third-party juvenile who admitted to providing
> completely fabricated information based on a
> personal agenda,” the attorneys said in the
> statement. “That juvenile has provided to the
> police a statement establishing that fact.”
>
> So the student reported WHAT to the school, and
> then the school reported it to the police, who
> eventually found these recordings....?
>
> So the student LIED to the school and while the
> cops were investigating THAT lie found the
> recordings?
>
> I am running several scenarios through my head to
> try and figure this out. Nothing jives with what
> the lawyer is babbling about.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: sign of the times ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:33PM

I am always very skeptical about claims that things were better back in the day, i.e., in my case, the 70's. But when it came down to boys and issues with girls and young women, I think they were. It just wasn't that we were directed to be "nice" to girls and treat them with respect - we were - remember - it was still an era where a girl did not call a boy for a date and so on. It was also made clear to boys that underneath all of the command to be polite and respectful (however patronizing that may appear today) that using poor judgment with girls and women could get you into a heap of trouble you didn't necessarily deserve. Not treating girls right could cause a whole group of people to turn on you. It isn't so easy for young guys to grasp this today in a hip/hop video, easy sexual gratification, eternal Internet access to porn, and I like living in the basement with Mom taking care of me world where women all too often appear compliant and easy with no consequences obtaining. This isn't an excuse for the guys involved here, whatever they actually did, but even good and caring parents can have their charges get into some pretty deep trouble if they make assumptions about male/female relationships that apply to the 70's and 80's, and not today. Boys should be raised to be tough minded, independent and disciplined above all else for the simple fact that it protects them in the long run. I wonder if this message is being driven home. Note that the shenanigans here shouldn't reflect on the school either. There cannot be a shortage of stupid acts at any of the local high schools.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Atom ()
Date: February 07, 2013 03:07PM

Sounds like this whole thing was FFXU's fault.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: doubleup ()
Date: February 07, 2013 03:25PM

OK so:

Boys and Girls consented to drugs, sex and recording

Only thing is charges of child pornography?

How if the girls knew they were being filmed?

Seems quite a double-standard going on here. If the girls recorded and posted the recordings, my guess is no charges would be made at all.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: common good ()
Date: February 07, 2013 04:23PM

Bill C. Wrote:
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> Where are the videos?


Umm... you should know that by looking for those pictures you will be committing a crime too... just FYI

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: vvzv ()
Date: February 07, 2013 04:47PM

I really do not get what the big deal is with this and for the guy who says "one day you will grow up and have a daughter", hopefully my daughter will not be having sex at a party, and that way it will prevent her from being taped, I really think that if you are having sex at a party and you are 15, well, I am not feeling any sympathy

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: horselyah ()
Date: February 07, 2013 04:49PM

Wow I must have grown up in a different version of the 70's than you, there were wild sex parties lots of drinking and drugs and the "nice" girls grew up to be boring housewives and the girls who enjoyed themselves are successful now

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: more spin ()
Date: February 07, 2013 05:08PM

horselyah Wrote:
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> Wow I must have grown up in a different version of
> the 70's than you, there were wild sex parties
> lots of drinking and drugs and the "nice" girls
> grew up to be boring housewives and the girls who
> enjoyed themselves are successful now


That's all spin. And how could you know about EVERY female of that generation?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: jeff davis ()
Date: February 07, 2013 06:51PM

I don't want to go off on a tangent, but I will anyway. Could the teenage boys and girls claim the videos were home-made sex education tapes? Perhaps they might say they were involved in some sort of "safe sex" tapes. Or, could they claim that the tapes had some artistic merit,and were not pornography. Plus, I assume none of the participants received money to appear in the tapes. Does that matter in regard to the laws? Moreover, I do not know what the age of consent in Virginia is. Is that a factor in possible criminal charges? Thanks for your consideration.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: LAWYER WATCHED THE VIEDOS ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:11PM

Leffler has seen the 10 videos and says some are as short as 10 seconds and as long as 3 minutes. They involve sexual combinations of the three boys and six girls who are all high school students at either West Springfield or Robinson and Lake Braddock Secondary Schools. Leffler says the videos were all taken on one boy's cell phones over the course of the past year.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: born too late ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:23PM

Damn, I wish I was in high school today! In my day (60's), there was the occasional slut but they were the exception. That has reversed, the vast majority are sluts now. Probably a societal thing?

I know this because I drove a school bus for a while. Kids must think the bus driver is deaf, because you wouldn't fucking believe the shit I overheard girls talking about! Used to catch them blowing guys in the back of the bus too. Found a few pairs of panties on the floor too.

I'm jealous as shit of these young bucks today. I'd wear my dick down to a nub if I was a young buck today!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: QUESTION TO EVERYONE ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:26PM

Do you like the way the principal handle the problem?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parentalspartan ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:32PM

They just passed it off to the police when they got worried they couldn't hush it up. . . didn't want to deal with at an expulsion hearing so snitched. snitches get stiches. . . .

If i were a parent or a good lawyer, I'd FOIA those idiots and get the emails now. I'm sure there's a trail. . . a trail where it could've been dealt with before this crap. Double tax dollar waste--prosecuting stupid idiots, and then paying lawyers to defend the FCPS morons

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Another 2 cents ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:36PM

Because of the age of at least some of the alleged victims these boys did commit a crime but lets not forget the boys involved are minors as well. So you have multiple minors committing what in reality appears was probably a consensual act. The girls may not have wanted it filmed but I doubt you would even find that objection on any of the recording.

Now the in some areas the law may say that a drunk or drugged female cannot consent to sex. Well if that is true it would also stand to reason that a drunk or drugged male cannot commit a crime. Like so many things in this country this is a case of over-correcting. Guys got away with rape often and for many years in the past. But a law that states a girl who knowingly intoxicated herself can say yes and change her mind the next day is a joke.

Bottom Line, Somebody should probably beat the shit out of the boys regardless of a crime or night they were dicks and should be treated accordingly. The girls put themselves in a bad situation and bad things happened. Now deal with it and move on. Placing blame solely on the boys just tells every girl around that they can go out and drink do whatever they want and don't worry it won't be their fault.

Responsibility is a big concept that many people don't get. Reality isn't black and white, just mass of gray is what we got. In in that grey responsibility rarely falls solely on 1 individual or even one group. In that gray mess responsibility usually must be shared. Maybe not equally but shared none the less.

*My uninformed 2 cents added to everybody elses*

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I mean, QBing is easy Monday morning LoLz
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:41PM

@Question - I'd challenge anyone to do any better ;)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Spartan mom ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:46PM

Of course they contacted the police. These crimes happened off school property-not on school property. The police spent a good amount of time before they brought charges, obviously getting things in order. Perhaps the police should not have arrested these young men(for better lack of a word)at school. I think the school and the principal are getting a bad rap. Give them a break.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: 72109470174031 ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:56PM

everyone on here please shut the fuck up none of you know the story these girls were not "victims" they were willing participants and if you knew these boys you would know they arent bad guys they just make stupid decisions yea what they did was wrong but the media fucking blew it out of proportion. wshs students are a family and know not to judge people based on rumors and media that they hear. so call us springfield stoners but at least we arent braddock bitches

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: REPLAY TO Spartan mom ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:57PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> Of course they contacted the police. These crimes
> happened off school property-not on school
> property. The police spent a good amount of time
> before they brought charges, obviously getting
> things in order. Perhaps the police should not
> have arrested these young men(for better lack of a
> word)at school. I think the school and the
> principal are getting a bad rap. Give them a
> break.


WHY NOT WAIT? couldn't they arrested the boys at their homes????????/

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: IP Freely ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:02PM

72109470174031 Wrote:
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> everyone on here please shut the fuck up none of
> you know the story these girls were not "victims"
> they were willing participants and if you knew
> these boys you would know they arent bad guys they
> just make stupid decisions yea what they did was
> wrong but the media fucking blew it out of
> proportion. wshs students are a family and know
> not to judge people based on rumors and media that
> they hear. so call us springfield stoners but at
> least we arent braddock bitches



Eric's twitter account would suggest otherwise. I hope that little wigger, wanna be tough guy learns his lesson. We will see how badly he wants to be black after Tyrone puts his 9 inch black cock in his ass in prison. Sorry, these three turds have you fooled if you think for even one second that they aren't total scumbags.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Biased Charges ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:08PM

WUSA9 reported yesterday that at least one of the girls involved is 17 years old. Since one boy was 14 when the videos were made, that boy should be identified as much of a "victim" as any of the girls. Makes me wonder, how old are the other girls?

And, since at least two of the videos show girls willingly speaking directly into the camera, then they too are involved in "producing child pornography" and should be charged along with the boys.

It sounds like these students are all friends and all knew what was going on, and if so, none of them should be charged. Virginia needs to establish sexting laws to differentiate between consenting high school students sexting each other, separate from child pornography.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: 72109470174031 ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:11PM

oh yay good for you judging someone off their twitter! lol youre a faggot you dont know them like i said they make bad choices they arent bad people

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Liar Boyfriend Arrested? ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:51PM

Has anyone else heard about the one girl's boyfriend getting arrested who allegedly lied to the police officer at the high school about the "child exploitation ring" "girls filmed while being passed out" and "videos being distributed on the internet?" The Washington Post article from Feb. 5th states, “The police investigation in this case was launched based on information provided by a third-party juvenile who admitted to providing completely fabricated information based on a personal agenda,” the attorneys said in the statement. “That juvenile has provided to the police a statement establishing that fact.”

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Lin ()
Date: February 07, 2013 11:37PM

I heard one of the victim girls has already dropped out of WSHS due to the situation. Have the guys at least been kicked off the sports teams?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Young Curmudgeon ()
Date: February 08, 2013 12:06AM

sign of the times Wrote:
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> I am always very skeptical about claims that
> things were better back in the day, i.e., in my
> case, the 70's. But when it came down to boys and
> issues with girls and young women, I think they
> were. It just wasn't that we were directed to be
> "nice" to girls and treat them with respect - we
> were - remember - it was still an era where a girl
> did not call a boy for a date and so on. It was
> also made clear to boys that underneath all of the
> command to be polite and respectful (however
> patronizing that may appear today) that using poor
> judgment with girls and women could get you into a
> heap of trouble you didn't necessarily deserve.
> Not treating girls right could cause a whole group
> of people to turn on you. It isn't so easy for
> young guys to grasp this today in a hip/hop video,
> easy sexual gratification, eternal Internet access
> to porn, and I like living in the basement with
> Mom taking care of me world where women all too
> often appear compliant and easy with no
> consequences obtaining. This isn't an excuse for
> the guys involved here, whatever they actually
> did, but even good and caring parents can have
> their charges get into some pretty deep trouble if
> they make assumptions about male/female
> relationships that apply to the 70's and 80's, and
> not today. Boys should be raised to be tough
> minded, independent and disciplined above all else
> for the simple fact that it protects them in the
> long run. I wonder if this message is being
> driven home. Note that the shenanigans here
> shouldn't reflect on the school either. There
> cannot be a shortage of stupid acts at any of the
> local high schools.

There is a difference between treating a woman with respect and being a doormat.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Don't believe the hype ()
Date: February 08, 2013 12:58AM

I heard that one girl moved out of state, but that she admits to having consensual sex, willingly being in the video, and she's still friends with the boys. None of the girls reported this, and none of them nor their parents are filing charges...this all appears to be coming from Officer Plazio at the school (and apparently is based on a lie from a girl's boyfriend). I think that's why Greenfelder mentioned Plazio by name in his email to parents, and I think that's why the school board is questioning why Fairfax County Police arrested the boys at school. The school board rep stated in her Fox News interview, that the public schools should not be used as an extension of the juvenile justice system. I think we might be dealing with an overly zealous student resource officer, and if that's the case, he has dragged the boys' and girls' reputations through the mud, and unnecessarily tarnished West Springfield's image.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Old school ()
Date: February 08, 2013 01:46AM

"Virginia needs to establish sexting laws to differentiate between consenting high school students sexting each other, separate from child pornography."

HA! Virginia?!?!!???

You are asking the state to enter the 21st century. How about entering the 20th century and getting the anti-sodomy laws off the books first.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To old school ()
Date: February 08, 2013 03:18AM

You're retarded anti-sodomy laws are on the books for rapists and child molestors so the courts can slam them with more charges. I'm assuming you're gay and have a grudge lol

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Homeschool ()
Date: February 08, 2013 12:57PM

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down sodomy law in 2003, as unconstitutional. Despite this ruling, Virginia still keeps that law on its books, and it has been misused and manipulated to target people, especially by radical cops and righteous prosecutors. The law is described as "crimes against nature" and applies to consensual oral and anal sex even between married adults, regardless of sexual orientation. This law also applies to consensual intercourse by non-married persons. http://www.sodomy.org/laws/virginia/ This law is so stupid, that almost every person in Virginia who has had consensual sex would be charged with a felony. The same applies to this case with these teen boys and girls who had consensual sex on video and shared with one another; if anything, it should be a misdemeanor not a felony.

In Connecticut, Rep. Rosa Rebimbas introduced a bill that would lessen the penalty for "sexting" between two consenting minors in 2009. The bill would make it a Class A misdemeanor for children under 18 to send or receive text messages with other minors that include nude or sexual images. It is currently a felony for children to send such messages, and violators could end up on the state's sex offender registry.

In Ohio, a county prosecutor and two lawmakers proposed a law that would reduce sexting from a felony to a first degree misdemeanor, and eliminate the possibility of a teenage offender being labeled a sex offender for years. The proposal was supported by the parents of Jesse Logan, a Cincinnati 18-year-old who committed suicide after the naked picture of herself which she sexted was forwarded to people in her high school.

Utah lawmakers lessened the penalty for sexting for someone younger than 18 to a misdemeanor from a felony.

In New York, Assemblyman Ken Zebrowski (D-Rockland) has introduced a bill that will create an affirmative defense where a minor is charged under child pornography laws if they possess or disseminate a picture of themselves or possess or disseminates the image of another minor (within 4 years of their age) with their consent.

Vermont lawmakers introduced a bill in April 2009 to legalize the consensual exchange of graphic images between two people 13 to 18 years old.

In 2008, a Virginia assistant principal was charged with possession of child pornography and related crimes after he had been asked to investigate a rumored sexting incident at the high school where he worked. Upon finding a student in possession of a photo on his phone that depicted the torso of a girl wearing only underpants, her arms mostly covering her breasts, the assistant principal showed the image to the principal who instructed him to preserve the photo on his computer as evidence, which he did. The court later ruled that the photo did not constitute child pornography because under Virginia law, nudity alone is not enough to qualify an image as child pornography; the image must be "sexually explicit". Loudoun County Prosecutor James Plowman stands by his initial assessment of the photo and says he would not have pursued the case if the assistant principal had agreed to resign. Instead, the assistant principal got a second mortgage on his house and spent $150,000 in attorneys' fees to clear his name.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: a reader ()
Date: February 08, 2013 01:09PM

Don't believe the hype Wrote:
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> and if that's the case, he has
> dragged the boys' and girls' reputations through
> the mud, and unnecessarily tarnished West
> Springfield's image.

Yes, because happily fucking on video isn't a way to ruin your own reputation that anyone would expect.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Skeet ()
Date: February 08, 2013 01:32PM

I was worried ...I thought they busted up the "show me yours I'll show you mine" underground high school exhibitionist ring!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: You're clueless ()
Date: February 08, 2013 02:47PM

To old school Wrote:
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> You're retarded anti-sodomy laws are on the books
> for rapists and child molestors so the courts can
> slam them with more charges. I'm assuming you're
> gay and have a grudge lol


You have NO IDEA what the anti-sodomy law covers. Here's a hint: if you are not married and are having sex...gay, straight, anal, vaginal, oral whatever...you are in violation of the law.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: School? ()
Date: February 08, 2013 03:06PM

They arrested the boys in school because the case was not strong enough for the FBI's comfort. They can better take advantage of the kids lack of knowledge for their rights to not speak until a lawyer or their parents are present, so they could try to get more information to help the prosecution.

And as to you people who are obsessing over how they are still in school-
None of these acts were on school grounds or are related to education or athletics. Its ridiculous that schools have to get so involved in peoples personal lives nowadays and feel the need to control everything.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To: a reader ()
Date: February 08, 2013 03:08PM

You're assuming the students are having intercourse in the videos. The lawyer who has seen all of the videos said one girl is naked from the waist up singing a song, and in another video a girl is looking at the camera and fondling a boy. Even if there are videos showing people, to use your crass words "happily fucking" shared amongst those nine consenting teens, that doesn't ruin reputations of teenagers, parents, principals, a high school, and a community like unnecessarily arresting the students at school, and having news cameras at the school, and local media spewing lies (the student who reported this to Officer Plazio apparently admitted to police he lied about all of this) on tv, the radio, the internet, newspapers, and sites like this, to hundreds of thousands of people throughout the metro DC area, and potentially to millions of people around the world, about the apparent lies of a "child exploitation ring" and "girls being drugged and filmed while being passed out" and "distributing the videos around the school and on-line." What apparently was consensual and private to a small group of high school students, has now become a reckless witch hunt, with little to no consideration to the emotional, social, and potentially financial and physical impact to the boys and the girls involved. I find it ironic how people focus the blame on the students for what happened, but don't blame how Officer Plazio, the media, and prosecutors have handled this situation. In my opinion, it's completely irresponsible, reckless, and potentially illegal.

Another reckless and stupid action by radical police and prosecutors happened this week when Alexandria cops arrested a 10 year old 5th grader for bringing a toy gun to school to show his friends. According to media:

A 10-year-old elementary school student in Northern Virginia is facing criminal charges after police say he brought a toy gun to school. A fifth-grader at Douglas MacArthur Elementary School in Alexandria, Va., was arrested and charged with brandishing a weapon Tuesday after he allegedly showed off the weapon on a school bus.

Police say the boy showed the replica silver handgun on his way home from school on Monday and neglected to mention to others that the gun was a fake, according to the report. The gun reportedly has a black handle and orange tip.

When the boy arrived at school on Tuesday, police found the toy gun in his backpack. After his arrest, he was reportedly transported to a juvenile detention center and later released.

Alexandria City Public Schools Superintendent Dr. Morton Sherman said the student has been suspended and officials are considering expulsion as a punishment.

Really?!?!?!?!? Can you imagine what trauma that 10 year old faced, riding in the back of a cop car, and being detained at the juvenile detention center!!! What ever happened to warnings, or educating kids about what can get them into trouble? The 10 year old boy is being charged with a misdemeanor!!!! In both of these cases, the cops should've met with the parents and the student(s) to let them know what they did was wrong, and what could happen in the future if it happens again. In the case with the high school kids, if the girls and their parents wanted to press charges, then let them. The citizens and courts need to put these extremist cops and prosecutors into their place (or even better, out of the system)....they are getting way too radical, out of control, and it's impacting communities in a negative way.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: sadfadsfadsf ()
Date: February 08, 2013 03:18PM

Wshs Student 1 Wrote:
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> 3 students at this school where just arrested. Any
> reason why they couldn't call them in do the
> principal office and arrested them after school
> ended?
>
> edit by Cary: Added "[3 arrested in child
> pornography case]" to the subject for list-page
> clarity.


you dun got called gramaticly challenged son

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To: School? ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:03PM

Officer Plazio didn't have cause to arrest these boys AT ALL. There was a hearing on this case yesterday at the Fairfax County Courthouse, and it was revealed that a score sheet is used to determine if there's cause to detain an individual. The score sheet in this case had a false score that was fabricated using criteria not associated with this case, in order to get to the very minimal score needed to detain the boys. Also, the detention order was signed on a Wednesday, yet Officer Plazio waited until Friday afternoon, just before school was let out, so everyone could see the boys being detained, and also so they would have to spend the weekend in the juvenile detention center, rather than being detained at home on that Wednesday and being released that same day. The judge hadn't seen anything like this in 15 years on the bench. If this case does make it to trial, I hope Fairfax County takes Plazio's badge, because from what I've seen, he lacks judgment, intellect, ethics, and integrity, and has brought discredit upon the Fairfax County Police department, and WSHS.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: humpty bumpty ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:34PM

i am nominating rodney g leffler as the best pedophile on fairfax underground

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: James ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:37PM

Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
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> I am confused. The Washington Post quotes the
> lawyers as saying
>
> “The police investigation in this case was
> launched based on information provided by a
> third-party juvenile who admitted to providing
> completely fabricated information based on a
> personal agenda,” the attorneys said in the
> statement. “That juvenile has provided to the
> police a statement establishing that fact.”
>
> So the student reported WHAT to the school, and
> then the school reported it to the police, who
> eventually found these recordings....?
>
> So the student LIED to the school and while the
> cops were investigating THAT lie found the
> recordings?
>
> I am running several scenarios through my head to
> try and figure this out. Nothing jives with what
> the lawyer is babbling about



Not that hard to figure out if you went to high schoo. Kid makes up a story to get someone in trouble and tells it to the resource officer. He investigates and finds out its bull. BUT while interviewing people he finds out about the sex tapes.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: James ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:39PM

To: School? Wrote:
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> Officer Plazio didn't have cause to arrest these
> boys AT ALL. There was a hearing on this case
> yesterday at the Fairfax County Courthouse, and it
> was revealed that a score sheet is used to
> determine if there's cause to detain an
> individual. The score sheet in this case had a
> false score that was fabricated using criteria not
> associated with this case, in order to get to the
> very minimal score needed to detain the boys.
> Also, the detention order was signed on a
> Wednesday, yet Officer Plazio waited until Friday
> afternoon, just before school was let out, so
> everyone could see the boys being detained, and
> also so they would have to spend the weekend in
> the juvenile detention center, rather than being
> detained at home on that Wednesday and being
> released that same day. The judge hadn't seen
> anything like this in 15 years on the bench. If
> this case does make it to trial, I hope Fairfax
> County takes Plazio's badge, because from what
> I've seen, he lacks judgment, intellect, ethics,
> and integrity, and has brought discredit upon the
> Fairfax County Police department, and WSHS.



So says the guy who has a personal interest in the case. Either a parent or one of the attorneys. Complete bull shit.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: clueless parents ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:54PM

Newsflash, dumbasses....kids get arrested for vandalism and petty theft in school ALL THE TIME.

Why the hell should these perverts get special treatment?

They don't know what child porn is? Really? They have never heard of the term?

They knew what they were doing was illegal and they kept in on their phone for MONTHS. That is plenty of time to reflect.

HUNDREDS of cases from FCPS kids are referred to law enforcement--this case is nothing special.

If the school didn't try to hide it, people probably wouldn't be as obsessed.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Spartan mom ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:17PM

The school did not try to hide this. Those kids did do something wrong. They took pictures for 11 months. This was not one time only. The system will punish them appropriately. Quit blaming the school officials.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Lin ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:27PM

Why are the students who were arrested still allowed to be on sports teams? For that matter isn't it customary to suspend or expel students who have been charged with sex crimes?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Lake Braddock silly ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:29PM

WS kids are very strange for the most part. Lots of girls wanting to do all kinds of stuff there. This could have happend at almost any HS. I have always wondered why WS girls are so sweet and easy. Maybe there is something in the water.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: blame, blame, blame ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:30PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> The school did not try to hide this.


I call BS.

I get a letter from school when a kid has head lice but nothing to parents about child porn?

One of the main reasons you publicize it is to encourage other victime to come forward.

Did they do that? Nope. They swept in under the rug.


TOP FIVE INCIDENT TYPES FCPS REPORTS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT:

1. assault against student without weapon---249 cases

2. marijuana possession----128 cases

3. assault against staff without weapon---89 cases

4. threatening staff-physical or verbal----76 cases

5. marijuana use---69 cases

total of 915---in just one school year.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To: James and clueless parents ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:52PM

This hearing was open to the public and the press. If you don't believe the info, see if you can get a transcript. Regardless of what you believe, the prosecuting and defense attorneys, and the judge, all have the evidence. I think the Fairfax County School Board should ask for proof of when the arrest warrant was signed, as well as the score sheet, and discuss with FCPD/Intake Officer on the criteria used to justify the detention order. The boys shouldn't have been arrested, and especially at the school. My guess, clueless parents, is that theft and vandalism score high enough to get a detention order. In despite what you think, James, the judge knows more than you.

The school didn't hide anything; they don't have jurisdiction to investigate alleged activity that occurs off of school grounds.

Obviously the kids didn't know the laws about child pornography, just like the assistant principle in Loudon County didn't know that law when he was asked to investigate similar activity at his school, and was subsequently charged with possession of child pornography due to the photo he was told to store on his school computer as evidence that came from the investigation, and he had to spend $150,000 on lawyers fees to clear his name due to a radical prosecutor. Otherwise, he would've been a registered sex offender. Many adults don't even understand the sodomy law in Virginia; if you're not married, and engage in oral, vaginal, or anal sex, you can be prosecuted (oral and anal sex are felonies in Virginia, even if you are married). So, James and clueless parents, if you ever engage in those activities, and someone accuses you of doing such, be prepared to hire a lawyer, cause you will be charged with a felony.

Also, because so many young people use technology and share private info with each other, and because many states have not adjusted their laws and kids are getting into lots of trouble for child pornography when in fact it's sexting, law makers in states like New York, Connecticut, Utah, Vermont, Ohio, etc. have made efforts to separate sexting from child pornography. I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. Supreme Court has to make a ruling on the difference between sexting and child pornography, just like they did with striking down the sodomy law.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To: Lin ()
Date: February 08, 2013 06:00PM

In our country, we're innocent until proven guilty. Although with this case, there appears to be a pre-meditated plan to make the students appear guilty, and to incite public anger to provide support for the prosecution.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Doofus ()
Date: February 08, 2013 06:20PM

It's simple.

Don't do the crime, and then you won't have to worry about the time.

Both boys and girls involved in this incident wanted to have fun and broadcast it to their friends. Now the broadcast has gone public in a big way across the media. Keep your pants zipped up and shirts tied down. But if you won't to do otherwise, don't have a party and start taking pictures.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Jack Abrahamoff ()
Date: February 08, 2013 06:34PM

Principal Greenfelder has discretion to act to remove the students. Presently, he is in CYA mode and has done nothing.

From the FCPS SRR:

1. The principal shall determine the appropriate disciplinary measures to be taken in each case of prohibited conduct, except when School Board action is required, and may request the assistance of other appropriate staff members.

2. A student who engages in prohibited conduct may be subject to ongoing consequences, even after the student returns to school attendance following suspension or expulsion. Such consequences include, but are not limited to, reassignment to a different regular school or to an alternative education program, probationary conditions, community or civic service, periodic drug testing, and
restitution.

3. The Division Superintendent may require any student who (i) has been CHARGED with an offense relating to Virginia‘s laws on weapons, alcohol, drugs, or intentional injury to another person or with AN OFFENSE REQUIRED BY LAW TO BE REPORTED TO SCHOOL OFFICIALS or (ii) has been found guilty or not innocent of any of the above offenses or of a crime that resulted in or could have resulted in injury to others or of a crime required by law to be reported to school officials or (iii) has been found to have committed a serious offense or repeated offenses in violation of School Board policies, to attend an alternative program, including, but not limited to, night school, adult education, or any other educational program designed to offer instruction to students for whom the regular program of instruction may be inappropriate. The Division Superintendent may impose this
requirement without regard to where the crime has occurred.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Officer Plaz ()
Date: February 08, 2013 07:01PM

I was once a very big Officer Plazio fan. As a recent graduate of West Springfield, I can honestly say he was a fair, well-liked, and even at times charismatic man. He had a lot of the qualities you need and desire in a high school police officer.

However, he has greatly disappointed me in his handling of and involvement in this situation. I harbor no sympathy for these 3 boys. They are by all estimations, perverts. Engaging in alcohol and sex is an inconvenient truth of the culture of high school life. But these boys took it to a level by pulling out a camera to relive some of these taboo rendezvous.

Plazio overstepped his boundaries on this one. I still cannot find any justifiable reason why the boys would be arrested IN SCHOOL during school hours. That decision itself brought ridiculous amounts of bad publicity to the school completely unnecessarily. I do not know the exact complaint the classmate who gave the tip to Plazio ("victim"'s new boyfriend allegedly) but it seems extremely unprofessional that he acted so strongly on an impulse decision of what seems to be a jealous kid who may or may not have made most of what he said up.

A lot of people on this thread have said stuff like "leave WS out of this, it was just a couple of stupid kids and doesn't represent us"...well Plazio took care of that for you. Rather than this story being a sex scandal about "3 boys from Springfield" it now has "West Springfield High School" branded to it, take the name of this thread for example.

Whatever happens in the coming weeks/months happens and hopefully justice will be served however much (or little) needs to be done. But I really don't think I can forgive Plaz for this one.

He is single handedly the one that made this much more of an issue with much greater exposure than it warranted. He essentially tarnished the name of the school he is working at.

I am definitely an advocate for Plazio leaving WSHS, and maybe even the Fairfax County Police Department as a whole.

Ludacris in my opinion.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: student of the week ()
Date: February 08, 2013 07:07PM

It is sad to see all the poor grammar in this conversation.
All the posts with mistakes with use of:

your vs. you're
too vs. to (among many other errors)

It is sooo sad that these highly touted
Fairfax County Schools somehow produce graduates who cannot express themselves using correct grammar. How does this go on...and the moral decay is appalling. I remember looking forward to watching The Waltons and Little House on the Prairie when I was growing up. These kids have smut available to them...this whole story and conversation are enough to make me pack up and move.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: BrandonG.M.U. ()
Date: February 08, 2013 07:12PM

I FCPS don't want to offend the kids so they compromise with spelling and grammer mistakes. You is is now an acceptable substitute for your and you're.

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