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West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Wshs Student 1 ()
Date: January 11, 2013 02:12PM

3 students at this school where just arrested. Any reason why they couldn't call them in do the principal office and arrested them after school ended?

edit by Cary: Added "[3 arrested in child pornography case]" to the subject for list-page clarity.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2013 01:15PM by Cary.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: must be serious ()
Date: January 11, 2013 02:17PM

what did they do?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Westerns ()
Date: January 11, 2013 02:18PM

Wshs Student 1 Wrote:
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> 3 students at this school where just arrested. Any
> reason why they couldn't call them in do the
> principal office and arrested them after school
> ended?

Does it matter how they were arrested? Nope. Do you think police say, "Oh well he is watching TV right now, I better let him finish that."

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: More Complete ()
Date: January 11, 2013 02:23PM

It really doesn't matter what time they get taken to jail.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: January 11, 2013 02:25PM

Nothing like a perp walk to put the fear of Jesus into sappy high school students.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Asswipes ()
Date: January 11, 2013 02:34PM

Yeah there's a reason why... THEY COMMITTED A CRIME THAT DICTATED THEY BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY. Fucking people these days think the police operate like the customer service dept at Apple. You break the law you go to jail on the law's terms and times. Simple as that.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: West Springfield Thugs ()
Date: January 11, 2013 03:05PM

If the Fairfax County police came to West Springfield High School and arrested three thugs, they all deserved it.

Fairfax County cops need to break some fucking skulls in Fairfax County, and fuck the hell up any thugs who need to have their lives readjusted.

Fairfax County cops, banging heads, is a good thing! It doesn't happen enough!

Fuck those three bastards. Lock their asses up for life!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: book em dano ()
Date: January 11, 2013 03:11PM

was it another food fight gone awry

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: taz ()
Date: January 11, 2013 03:22PM

Would you rather wait until they are armed and ready for the cops? The OP is a fucking idiot.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: ????? ()
Date: January 11, 2013 03:29PM

book em dano Wrote:
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> was it another food fight gone awry


WWWD - What Would Wardinsky Do?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Date: January 11, 2013 03:30PM

If you see a West Springfield High School student, arrest him. He'll know why...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: reason ()
Date: January 11, 2013 03:40PM

It is quite common for cops to pick kids up in school for questioning and/or arrest them. Reasons?

1. Parents are not there to advocate for kids and tell them to keep their mouth shut until mom/dad calls an attorney.

2. The cops can find the kids easily in school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: January 11, 2013 03:46PM

Can we assume they were they transfers from Westfield?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: West Springfield Degenerates ()
Date: January 11, 2013 07:38PM

Arrest all those fucking degenerates at West Springfield.

I agree, if the cops came to school to arrest them, which they obviously did, then they deserve to be locked up.

They don't need their fucking parents to protect them, either. What kind of bullshit is that? Sure, the cops knew they were 'supposedly' in school, which they were, and thankfully they got arrested.

Trouble making kids like the ones at West Springfield need to be locked up for life.

Lock up all those degenerate West Springfield bastards and throw the fucking keys away!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: spartanpride ()
Date: January 11, 2013 08:10PM

P-A-R-T-Y! Party hearty, West Springfield High. I say P-A-R-T-Y, party hearty WestSpringfield High!
And when we party, we really partyyy...and when we jam, we really jam...do that stuff, do that stuff, (clapclap), do that stuff, do that stuff (clapclap)! Go, Spartannnnnnsssssssss!

Just can't hide our Spartan Pride!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Fuck That Spartan Bullshit ()
Date: January 11, 2013 08:12PM

spartanpride Wrote:
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> P-A-R-T-Y! Party hearty, West Springfield High. I
> say P-A-R-T-Y, party hearty WestSpringfield High!
>
> And when we party, we really partyyy...and when we
> jam, we really jam...do that stuff, do that stuff,
> (clapclap), do that stuff, do that stuff
> (clapclap)! Go, Spartannnnnnsssssssss!
>
> Just can't hide our Spartan Pride!

That's why all of you Spartan assholes are getting arrested! LOL

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Stupidity ()
Date: January 11, 2013 09:29PM

I don't think 3 idiots qualify as "all of you Spartan assholes." Wow, what an idiot. Hmmm, guess that makes 4 assholes!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Fuck That Spartan Bullshit ()
Date: January 11, 2013 10:23PM

Stupidity Wrote:
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> I don't think 3 idiots qualify as "all of you
> Spartan assholes." Wow, what an idiot. Hmmm, guess
> that makes 4 assholes!


As far as I'm concerned, one West Springfield High School Spartan is as guilty as the next one.

They're all fucking criminals in West Springfield!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Hyfr ()
Date: January 12, 2013 11:22AM

What happend?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WSHS Sucks ()
Date: January 12, 2013 03:27PM

Drug dealers.

West Springfield High School is full of drug dealers.

That had to be 'the problem'.

It's ALWAYS 'the problem', at West Springfield.

That school has the most stoned and fucked up students in Fairfax County.

When school is in session, you can smell weed when you drive by WSHS.

What a fucking laugh. LOL

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: student2 ()
Date: January 12, 2013 05:28PM

Actually had nothing to do with drugs They were videotaping themselves having sex with girls and sending it to their friends

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WSHS Alum ()
Date: January 12, 2013 10:47PM

WSHS Sucks Wrote:
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> Drug dealers.
>
> West Springfield High School is full of drug
> dealers.
>
> That had to be 'the problem'.
>
> It's ALWAYS 'the problem', at West Springfield.
>
> That school has the most stoned and fucked up
> students in Fairfax County.
>
> When school is in session, you can smell weed when
> you drive by WSHS.
>
> What a fucking laugh. LOL

And we're goddamned proud of it too. You're probably some snobby LB fag.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: yr ()
Date: January 13, 2013 07:18AM

I dont get the demographic for wshs and its decline, seems pretty middle class and lots of military - why all the drug use and steep decline?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Old Spartan ()
Date: January 13, 2013 10:40AM

yr Wrote:
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> I dont get the demographic for wshs and its
> decline, seems pretty middle class and lots of
> military - why all the drug use and steep decline?

Those older neighborhoods (Orange Hunt, the homes off of Rolling south of OKM, etc.) are filled with rentals. Military families that bought cheaply and then got transferred, holding onto the property for rental income. Some of of those homes haven't been lived in by their owners for 10+ years and it shows. Properties are being managed by local realtors who turn a blind eye to the number of people living in the house. It's not the same Springfield I lived in 25 years ago, that's for sure.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: a few thoughts ()
Date: January 13, 2013 12:15PM

I would not say this is steep decline. Lots of the schools in the "wealthy" areas of FFX have drug use. And if you're talking about marijuana, that is rampant everywhere. It is true that the housing stock is aging. There are still lots of military families here and there are many older empty nesters (due to the age of the houses). The nearby plaza has more restaurants that are new (Thai, Panera, The Burger Joint, and a Whole Foods that is crammed with shoppers) and there are quite a few others (Einstein, etc.). If you go out here there are plenty of retirees and young families enjoying these eating venues. There is also the Geospatial Intelligence complex just down the road. The neighborhood behind the golf course continues to be decent as well as the Daventry section. Carleigh Parkway has some very nice homes. The Burke to Tysons bus route has just been established (and the Pentagon and Springfield metro buses have been here for a long time) and that is a big plus for this area. This is certainly not what I would describe as "steep decline". Yes, there are some confused teenagers here, but I wouldn't say there is a big violence issue. People are watching their neighborhoods.

Having said all of that, Fairfax County is urbanizing quickly. These houses will maintain or increase their values based on location. The high school will continue to offer the high end courses (AP and honors) that attract people to those homes. There will always be a lower end, but that will not matter so much if the school responds and offers challenges to all students. So far that is the case. I do fear that some of the personnel changes at the high school have not been positive in terms of attracting those higher end kinds of students (reducing the band personnel for example). Let's see what Greenfelder does. I have confidence that he will make the right decisions. It would definitely help if the school were renovated SOON. That needs to happen for people to remain confident that attention is being paid to the school and to this area of the county.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 13, 2013 01:05PM

ROFLMAO @ West Springfield's "huge decline"

in case you havent noticed, it's never been "West Beverly" - but there's nothing more off at West Springfield than at any other school.

I rank on Spartan Country yeah, but the reality is that life in that area is nicer than most of the PLANET. Yeah, it's not McLean but not everybody judges their life on the size of their dirtpatch LoLz

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: mik jager ()
Date: January 14, 2013 11:43AM

why did they get arrested??

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 14, 2013 11:47AM

I think it was cause someone got kilt
Attachments:
KILT-STW.jpg

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Anonymoussss ()
Date: January 15, 2013 06:48AM

They were arrested due to child pornography, as stated earlier. They are minors therefore it's classified as child porn

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Fully Informed ()
Date: January 15, 2013 09:46AM

I'm certainly not familiar with this case, but based on the little we know, allow me to ask a simple question.
So minors are taking pictures of minors and that's a crime?
Fact is, each citizen has the power to decide what constitutes a crime in this country: http://fija.org/

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: SpartanBBMom ()
Date: January 15, 2013 11:50AM

I'm going to have to agree with the decline of the WS area. When we moved to the DC Metro area from the west coast, with a short stint in New Jersey, WS was a great area to raise a family. Not so, now. I have a son at WSHS, as well as, a son just starting HVES. Gotta say - Yuck! The teachers are terrible. I believe it has to do with the 'new' generation of young teachers that just don't have the patience. The kids seem to have ADDHD at all levels. The PTA, talk about clique! If you're not in the 'know', they regard you as trash. Once my son graduates HS, we'll probably look to relocate elsewhere. Maybe somewhere farther west of VA.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wshs student ()
Date: January 27, 2013 08:46PM

As a student at Wshs and from what I've heard around school and from those who knew those arrested the three in question were picking up girls and slowly getting them drunk and then would film each other having sex with her and on occasion when she passed out they would leave her were she passed out. They would then distribute the videos to those they new. This is what I have heard from around school. I honestly don't get what all the hate for Wshs is about what did we do to get such a bad reputation? Have a food fight and now this. Honestly if a senior prank and three idiots make a school "ghetto" then essentially every school in America is "ghetto".

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 27, 2013 08:56PM

@Student - anyone TRULY hating on Spartan Country is f**king jealous their school and neighborhood aint half what yours is, dont let it sweat you.

@Mom - lol@u thinking Robinson, Westfields, Chantilly, or any other school west of you (or heck, North, South and East of you LoLz) in THIS county is going to somehow magically have better teachers, kids with with less ADDHD or a PTA with less of a clique

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: friskydingo ()
Date: January 27, 2013 08:58PM

@Gordon

you gooo gurrrrlll!!!!!

 

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WSHS Fail ()
Date: January 28, 2013 11:09AM

Wshs student Wrote:
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> As a student at Wshs and from what I've heard
> around school and from those who knew those
> arrested the three in question were picking up
> girls and slowly getting them drunk and then would
> film each other having sex with her and on
> occasion when she passed out they would leave her
> were she passed out. They would then distribute
> the videos to those they new. This is what I have
> heard from around school. I honestly don't get
> what all the hate for Wshs is about what did we do
> to get such a bad reputation? Have a food fight
> and now this. Honestly if a senior prank and three
> idiots make a school "ghetto" then essentially
> every school in America is "ghetto".


What did you do? This is the biggest piece of crap I've ever seen. You go to a school in FFX County and you can't even use the correct form of "new" or form grammatically correct sentences.

You say they would pick up girls and slowly get them drunk, then in the same sentence you refer to "her" and "she" as if it is one girl that this happened to. Which is it, did they pick up many random girls or was it one alchoholic girl that they knew they could exploit for sex?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wshs student ()
Date: January 28, 2013 03:27PM

I apologize for the grammatical errors, and it was many girls. Happy now?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: NOYB ()
Date: January 29, 2013 10:39PM

These are 9th and 10th graders for God's sake! The boys who are well known as superior athletes in this school and should serve as role models to all! Instead they get caught drugging the younger female victims then tape them having sex against their own will and consent (drugs that blocked memory). These tapes are proudly shared to many and become a funny joke. Nail them to the wall! May God help them too! They have just put a nail in their own coffins. Who will accept them into a university for higher education? Who will offer them a responsible position for employment? They are tarnished for life. They have a record. And at such a tender young age! Shame on those who allowed them to get to this point! And shame on those who dis the school systems here in our community. Blame the lack of guidance and lack of morals and values that these kids are receiving from their own flesh and blood! THEIR PARENTS!! It's always someone else's fault! We, as parents, are solely responsible for the well being of our children. Teachers are responsible for teaching!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Thrilled ()
Date: January 30, 2013 07:41AM

SpartanBBMom Wrote:
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> I'm going to have to agree with the decline of the
> WS area. When we moved to the DC Metro area from
> the west coast, with a short stint in New Jersey,
> WS was a great area to raise a family. Not so,
> now. I have a son at WSHS, as well as, a son just
> starting HVES. Gotta say - Yuck! The teachers
> are terrible. I believe it has to do with the
> 'new' generation of young teachers that just don't
> have the patience. The kids seem to have ADDHD at
> all levels. The PTA, talk about clique! If
> you're not in the 'know', they regard you as
> trash. Once my son graduates HS, we'll probably
> look to relocate elsewhere. Maybe somewhere
> farther west of VA.

Believe all of us when we say there is a HUGE group of parents reading this from HVES & WSHS that are thrilled at the thought of you moving out of this area Mrs. Jennifer Redick!!!!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: brandgrl ()
Date: January 30, 2013 10:20AM

In response to SpartanBBMom.

Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion. And while I won't say that I think every teacher is the best teacher at HVES, I would say there are some great teachers there. Guess what...it's that way EVERYWHERE. Have you ever taught?? Do you have a degree in education that allows you to judge how teaching fails or succeeds?

Several things here:

FIRST - It's either ADD or ADHD. I am not sure what ADDHD is. However, I would say this. Your youngest likely has one of them. No one has regarded you as trash, but we have certainly commented on the fact that your nose stays buried in a book while your son hits other kids and take their toys in the pool. Maybe, if you were actually parenting him, rather than letting him do whatever the heck he wants, then you would not get funny stares. It's not fair to him and it's not fair to the other kids.

SECOND - I don't recall EVER seeing you at a single PTA meeting. EVER. So here's the thing, once you attend one and TRY to actually talk to people and get to them, THEN you may judge if it is a clique or not. It's always amusing to have parents who NEVER volunteer and NEVER lift a finger for the school judge the VOLUNTEERS who spend countless hours at the school raising money and making sure your child has a computer in his classroom. Here's the thing sweetie, we are not in high school any longer. If you have acceptance issues that you are carrying over from your middle and high school days, don't bring them to an elementary school PTA. The fact is that many PTA people are "friends." Yes, the word here is FRIENDS. The PTA constantly encourages others to join in on the fun and NEVER turns anyone away who wants to be "in." So, here's a thought, we have a few open chair positions and would love to have you join in on helping the school. Send an email to board and let them know you want to be involved. You likely won't, because you will be sitting at home judging everyone, having never lifted a finger. Volunteer, then you can talk. Have you ever attended a county board meeting?

THIRD - Please do move. We are a community of people who help each other. You obviously don't fit in to that mold. You'd rather be a stone thrower and need to live in an area that is full of gossip and 90210 type activity. How's this - we will all help you with smiles on our faces? No one has ever deemed you trash or anyone else in this area and I don't deem you that now. But I do deem you judgmental and clueless.

As for the original thread, I hope that whatever the case is, that the school pays close attention to it and makes changes wherever they need to both HELP their students and the community. That's all that any of us can advocate for and hope for.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: ExStudent ()
Date: January 30, 2013 11:31AM

The problem is the parenting, and the coaches. Plain and simple. The coaches promote disrespecting women/girls and getting drunk, the parents don't give a shit or teach their children any personal responsibility. The kids are hardly ever held responsible for their actions and any excuse is used as a reason why they've done something wrong.

To many parents, stop not giving a shit about your kids. Teach them personal responsibility, make them get a job and pay their car insurance, gas, and a partial cell phone bill. Teach them that getting a good job is important. Stop enabling them to be fucking idiots by giving them everything for free and having no rules.

Maybe you'll see a change and they'll go to college or get a trade and be able to support themselves without moving into a house with a bunch of idiot friends. If your child works at One of the restaurants in the WS plaza area they probably smoke pot.

Get your heads out of your asses and stop making excuses for your children's mistakes. Realize that you've been failing as a parent and take charge.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: masonnation ()
Date: January 30, 2013 12:55PM

Wow, you guys are a tough bunch! Mom is just stating her opinion. Although, I don't necessarily agree with all of her assessments.

@Thrilled - Why the need to name names. Is it a fact? Totally uncalled for.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: brandgrl ()
Date: January 30, 2013 01:11PM

No, she isn't only stating her opinions.

She CLEARLY speaks on behalf of a group on their behalf. She states that they think people are trash. That's not opinion. She has no right to assume the role and speak for the group on what they think.

Everything else is her opinion.Yes.

It's actually kind of funny she is called out. It proves that the person stating these opinions is full of crap. Someone who never sets a foot in the school to help - EVER. EVER. Did I say EVER? Ah yes...EVER.

Come volunteer - then judge.



masonnation Wrote:
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> Wow, you guys are a tough bunch! Mom is just
> stating her opinion. Although, I don't
> necessarily agree with all of her assessments.
>
> @Thrilled - Why the need to name names. Is it a
> fact? Totally uncalled for.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: HV/WSParent ()
Date: January 30, 2013 06:32PM

Wow, I just can't refrain from weighing in on this ...

I couldn't agree more @brandgrl. As a former PTAer and loyal volunteer for many, many years ... it's a job! The many hours that some of us choose to put in as a volunteer and/or board member becomes like a part time job. With no pay! The rewards are huge though in other ways. Like witnessing the positive benefits and influences you help bring to not just one student but hundreds! And getting to work with good people ("friends") who feel that passion too is the icing on the cake. That's what separates you brandgrl from people like this Redick lady whoever she is? Keep up the good work!

@SpartanBBMom It's a shame that you who clearly knows nothing about the HVE school can knock the most important people involved in enriching your childs learning over there ... the teachers and the PTA! Step up and volunteer and get to know these incredibly hard working and dedicated individuals before you publicly rip them to shreads! Many of the teachers at HV are young, educated, and well deserving of the positions they hold. And they truly do have patience and love the kids they share their days with all year. Have you even shared your "Yuck" with your kids teacher(s)? Maybe there is something you can do to help make things better for him or her? Perhaps just sit in on a class or stand in as a room parent and see for yourself that it is a good school. Sitting on the sidelines in judgement of others is never a good place to be. It's gets very, very lonely.

@masonnation - truly sorry you had to see all of this and yes we are a tough bunch when we are being publicly insulted. Your Mom is wrong and this community is a great place to live. Those of us who are willing to give it a chance know best. There are plenty of good, decent, and loyal community members here that truly do care. And we don't do well with comments that have no truth or merit.

And as a WSHS parent I will say I am proud to be a Spartan! None of what happened to those 3 boys affects my life at all but it is still very sad for them and their families and most importantly their victims. What they did was not only legally wrong but morally wrong. Hopefully the system will take care of the legal wrong and somehow they can repair themselves morally.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: fair enough ()
Date: January 31, 2013 01:02AM

"A few thoughts" seems to have the most balanced and fair views. A dedicated student who is willing to put the work in (and stay out of trouble) can do well at West Springfield, and indeed many do. That is why the whining of many parents is a bit hollow. The real challenge as a parent to help your kid grab the most resources out of a school - the kid's job - to be sure - but a parent can help, mostly behind the scenes. (And for those who are college bound, the challenge of getting the most resources out of our increasingly overpriced colleges is even higher, so parental whining may even have a negative impact down the road).

I am not sure what the County will do as urbanization increases. For some reason, after initial gains in the 70's and 80's, gaps in achievement between racial groups occur virtually everywhere no matter what form of curriculum or method of instruction is adopted. Once a certain critical mass of population of low achieving groups is hit, a school really changes, and there are difficulties in attracting and retaining top performing students (and their parents, too). While there are a small minority of poor performing teachers and administrators, the vast majority in Fairfax are competent or even better and these competent personnel become the unwitting target for patters of underachievement and poor conduct, although frankly in many cases the cultural and family (and yes, IQ, too) deficiencies these kids bring don't leave school personnel with a lot of viable options. And there is no way education staff could ever be so politically incorrect as to state these truths. The achievenment gap is the elephant in the room in all of our schools, and indeed is and will be the primary cause of migrations in our suburban area, $4.00 gasoline or not.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: PTAmomWannabe ()
Date: January 31, 2013 07:08AM

brandgrl Wrote:
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> In response to SpartanBBMom.
>
> Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion. And
> while I won't say that I think every teacher is
> the best teacher at HVES, I would say there are
> some great teachers there. Guess what...it's that
> way EVERYWHERE. Have you ever taught?? Do you have
> a degree in education that allows you to judge how
> teaching fails or succeeds?
>
> Several things here:
>
> FIRST - It's either ADD or ADHD. I am not sure
> what ADDHD is. However, I would say this. Your
> youngest likely has one of them. No one has
> regarded you as trash, but we have certainly
> commented on the fact that your nose stays buried
> in a book while your son hits other kids and take
> their toys in the pool. Maybe, if you were
> actually parenting him, rather than letting him do
> whatever the heck he wants, then you would not get
> funny stares. It's not fair to him and it's not
> fair to the other kids.
>
> SECOND - I don't recall EVER seeing you at a
> single PTA meeting. EVER. So here's the thing,
> once you attend one and TRY to actually talk to
> people and get to them, THEN you may judge if it
> is a clique or not. It's always amusing to have
> parents who NEVER volunteer and NEVER lift a
> finger for the school judge the VOLUNTEERS who
> spend countless hours at the school raising money
> and making sure your child has a computer in his
> classroom. Here's the thing sweetie, we are not in
> high school any longer. If you have acceptance
> issues that you are carrying over from your middle
> and high school days, don't bring them to an
> elementary school PTA. The fact is that many PTA
> people are "friends." Yes, the word here is
> FRIENDS. The PTA constantly encourages others to
> join in on the fun and NEVER turns anyone away who
> wants to be "in." So, here's a thought, we have a
> few open chair positions and would love to have
> you join in on helping the school. Send an email
> to board and let them know you want to be
> involved. You likely won't, because you will be
> sitting at home judging everyone, having never
> lifted a finger. Volunteer, then you can talk.
> Have you ever attended a county board meeting?
>
> THIRD - Please do move. We are a community of
> people who help each other. You obviously don't
> fit in to that mold. You'd rather be a stone
> thrower and need to live in an area that is full
> of gossip and 90210 type activity. How's this - we
> will all help you with smiles on our faces? No one
> has ever deemed you trash or anyone else in this
> area and I don't deem you that now. But I do deem
> you judgmental and clueless.
>
> As for the original thread, I hope that whatever
> the case is, that the school pays close attention
> to it and makes changes wherever they need to both
> HELP their students and the community. That's all
> that any of us can advocate for and hope for.

Wow Bandgrl - your PTA sounds like a load of fun! I'm pretty clueless, myself, and I would love to have a friend like you!! It's so wonderful that you would be willing to diagnose my kid for me and do it with a smile on your face, too. Not everyone appreciates the hard work and many sacrifices that you make, but I do. It's a crying shame that more people are not willing to lift a finger to support your cause. Shame on you SpartanBB.

Most of the PTAs are boring places where you have to devote your time doing piddly things like stuffing take home folders, organizing events, helping out in the library, etc. Sounds like Bandgrl and her posse have gotten into the real *meat* of the situation - you go grl.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Bystanderr ()
Date: January 31, 2013 11:25AM

How did this get into a debate about PTAs....BORING! Housewives get off this forum! Leave the menfolk to their work.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: PTAmomWannaBe ()
Date: January 31, 2013 12:41PM

Bystanderr Wrote:
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> How did this get into a debate about
> PTAs....BORING! Housewives get off this forum!
> Leave the menfolk to their work.

Oh, I'm pretty sure that there were some "menfolk" involved in that little cat fight (or at least they didn't sound like REAL PTA parents). Just tryin' to liven things up a bit...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: HappyFeet ()
Date: January 31, 2013 04:25PM

Wa-Wa-Wa You women are a bunch of whiners!
Hubbie not there to rub your feet? Save your preaching for the choir. I guess that's what happens when your marriage sucks.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: PTAmomWannabe ()
Date: January 31, 2013 04:36PM

HappyFeet Wrote:
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> Wa-Wa-Wa You women are a bunch of whiners!
> Hubbie not there to rub your feet? Save your
> preaching for the choir. I guess that's what
> happens when your marriage sucks.

I'll preach to whatever choir I want to preach to bozo. Anyways I got bigger fish to fry than your lame azz. Toot-a-loo.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Lawyer ()
Date: January 31, 2013 04:51PM

I am attorney who currently represents 2 of the victims in this case. We are trying to locate the others. My office is preparing a multi-million dollar lawsuit that will name the young men involved, their parents, the FCPS system, and any other individuals involved in hopes of getting proper compensation for the victims. These young ladies have been severly traumatized by this incident and will face years of counseling and therapy! Their innocence was stolen by the young men responsible and their lives have been changed forever! My hope is to have the young men responsible pay compensation (through wage garnishments) to these young ladies for the rest of their lives, so they never forget this incident!

If anyone knows the victims in this terrible incident, please have them contact me.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: S&W ()
Date: January 31, 2013 05:03PM

@ Lawyer

"I am attorney ..."

Really?

Should we send a check to a bank in Nigeria?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Slur Pee ()
Date: January 31, 2013 05:33PM

Nooo I yam thinnking youu should pay at thee 7-11....pleeze watch out for camel poo...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: NBC 4 ()
Date: February 01, 2013 07:19PM

@Lawyer Hello, We're following up the story tonight if you could please give us a phone call at 202-885-4111. Thank you!!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: More Complete ()
Date: February 01, 2013 07:23PM

FAIRFAX, Va. - Three students at West Springfield High School have been arrested and accused of running a child exploitation ring.


The students are teenage boys, two 16-year-olds and a 15-year-old.

The alleged victims are six girls, also teenagers, attending local area high schools.

We have learned the child exploitation ring was first uncovered at West Springfield High School last November. After a one-month investigation, Fairfax County Police arrested three students at the high school on January 11. The charged students are said to be student athletes.

The students allegedly drugged the girls, had sex with them, videotaped the entire episode and then distributed the tapes.

The students are charged with possession, reproduction, distribution, solicitation and facilitation of child pornography.

Police can't give a lot of details about what happened because these are all juveniles involved.

Police say all the victims and suspects knew each other. Police don't know if there are more alleged victims.

The investigation is ongoing



Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/20938492/3-west-springfield-high-school-students-arrested#ixzz2JhExWeG6

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WHAT Else is new ()
Date: February 01, 2013 07:42PM

When is this school not in the news?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Jesus Phreak ()
Date: February 01, 2013 07:52PM

"child exploitation ring"

"The students allegedly drugged the girls, had sex with them, videotaped the entire episode and then distributed the tapes."





Pretty epic. These kids will be legandary at West Springfield for years to come. I bet those girls will be attending one of the local private schools for the remainder of their high school years.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: NebraskaMom ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:00PM

My child said the three boys are STILL IN SCHOOL!?! They are walking around like they own the place. The entire student body is talking about it! Why has Principal Greenfelder not suspended them?? Is this acceptable at West SpringField? I am sure they will make this story info a Lifetime movie in the future!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: wbow ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:02PM

NebraskaMom Wrote:
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> My child said the three boys are STILL IN
> SCHOOL!?! They are walking around like they own
> the place. The entire student body is talking
> about it! Why has Principal Greenfelder not
> suspended them?? Is this acceptable at West
> SpringField? I am sure they will make this story
> info a Lifetime movie in the future!


Its interesting students saw them get arrested. and they are still in this school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WSHS STUDENT ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:05PM

NebraskaMom Wrote:
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> My child said the three boys are STILL IN
> SCHOOL!?! They are walking around like they own
> the place. The entire student body is talking
> about it! Why has Principal Greenfelder not
> suspended them?? Is this acceptable at West
> SpringField? I am sure they will make this story
> info a Lifetime movie in the future!


SHE's right. I guess they wanted to keep in the down low. but since is on the news meida those kids won't come back monday.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: JustMyTwoCents ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:18PM

Pretty strange stuff going on up at West Springfield. And these kids are only sophomores? Wow.

Apparently one of the kids that was arrested is a heavily recruited, standout football and baseball player who's biggest seasons were ahead of him.

Something like this happening really makes a parent of a high school student (especially girl) wonder where their kid is at all times.

However, I noticed the media refer to the girls as "victims" which I feel shows somewhat of a situational bias. Nobody except those directly involved knows exactly what happened and it is human nature to take seldom details and run with them, often jumping to hasty conclusions.

Whatever the case may be, this is a black eye for West Springfield and really the worst imaginable. Despite all the controversy that came along with Wardinski's tenure, nothing of this magnitude (or relatively close) ever came about. And please do not mention the food fight, that was harmless compared to this incident.

One has to wonder if it is a generational thing rather than a school administrative issue. Maybe I am naive, but I honestly was not aware that 15 year olds were doing these kinds of things....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Ya Boy ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:24PM

All dudes in high school think about is having sex with girls. These guys took it to another level. And I am sure these girls aren't exactly innocent either.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WSstudent ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:26PM

All of you are stupid, the girls involved in the sex tapes walk around as if they were never involved in being taped. As far as the school goes it really isn't that bad, yes there are kids that screw up but that is NOT the whole school. You guys are only getting the skin on top of the orange and not the orange it's self. Stop acting like this school is such a bad place when it truly isn't.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: John_Doe ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:28PM

Reading this story reminded me a lot of that 1995 film "Kids". You would be very surprised what your kids are doing at relatively young ages.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Knowall ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:28PM

Every school has there share of sluts just move on and continue with your hating lives

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: bugslife ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:35PM

There are well behaved polite students at WSHS.

There are well behaved athletes at WSHS.

There are some very good educators at WSHS.

Lack of parenting is why situations like this happen.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: More Complete ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:35PM

WSstudent Wrote:
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> All of you are stupid, the girls involved in the
> sex tapes walk around as if they were never
> involved in being taped.

Not sure I understand your point.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Bill C. ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:37PM

Where are the videos?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: West springfield student ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:38PM

I go to the school and have answers to any question about the issue.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: CALL NBC ()
Date: February 01, 2013 08:40PM

West springfield student Wrote:
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> I go to the school and have answers to any
> question about the issue.


phone call at 202-885-4111. Thank you!! YOu will remain anonymous

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: EX WSHS Student ()
Date: February 01, 2013 09:07PM

I can't vouch for everyone at west Springfield high, but were generally NOT thugs. Stoners? mabey a little bit. Everyone enjoys weed. Get over it. The 3 boys that got arrest are the exact opposite acually. They are athletes and quite popular. I personally know the 3 boys that were arrested in school. And I know exactly how it feels. I was taken out of class and arrested just a few weeks before their incedent occurred. It's not fun obviously, but the school really tries to manipulate you to get you in the largest amount of trouble possible. The reason the 3 kids did not get suspended or expelled from school is because they didn't do anything illegal inside school. The school should not have any jurisdiction over this becase it simply doesn't involve the school. I do completely understand why parents don't want the 3 kids in school with their own kids. But if they parent their kids well enough, then kids will know well enough to not talk to these boys or anyone that is involved in illegal activities. It's wrong what these boys but kicking them Out of school which is possibly one of the only positive places they have is not the answer.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: player ()
Date: February 01, 2013 09:31PM

ben armstrong?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Disappointed in HVES PTA ()
Date: February 01, 2013 09:32PM

I just have to say that I too have experienced HVES PTAs obnoxious ways. These women do not make anyone want to join. They are a group who only speak to each other. I have contacted FCPS and put a formal complain in place about this. They are destroying HV and should be ashamed of themselves. It's fine to have friendships but they make people feel very very unwelcome. Hopefully a new Principal will come in and take care of them next year. Nightmares!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wshs alumn ()
Date: February 01, 2013 09:44PM

Wshs has had it's fair share of issues over the past years. Anything from kids daring each other to drink chemicals in chem for money to accidentally setting trash cans on fire;food fights, bomb threats, suicides,drugs, and now this.
Fox got something wrong however. The girls were not drugged, but drunk. They all drank willingly. I honestly feel bad for everyone involved in this mess.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Concerned Parent :/ ()
Date: February 01, 2013 09:54PM

can someone confirm what player said? is Ben Armstrong one of the boys involved? i hate to name drop people but he has had his struggles and he is close with my son, id like confirmation please.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Corey Gonzalez ()
Date: February 01, 2013 09:57PM

hahaha this is funny as hell, these girls were hoes, these guys did nothing but do what most teens do and that is drink and try to get girls in bed. lucky for them these girls were willing, anyone find it odd that these girls didnt report it? only reason people know about this is because the tape got out...my thing is , if these girls are as innocent as LAWYER claims why would they not tell? these young mens lives hang in the balance and with child porn charges hanging over there heads, i hope the truth comes out and they get a fair trial.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: danknasty ()
Date: February 01, 2013 10:01PM

when i attended WSHS it was all about Weed. 04-08 . we partied hard, listened to mr.griffen try to get with our girls, we did drugs, but we all graduated. my question is whats the big deal with all this shit about WSHS kids being thugs? thugs drop out, we stay in to party , there is a major diff.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: FRedsxn ()
Date: February 01, 2013 10:02PM

I BELIEVE BEN ARMSTRONG WAS ONE OF THE YOUNG MEN INVOLVED.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Carl's jr ()
Date: February 01, 2013 10:53PM

There are no heavily recruited players at WSHS so all these posts are lies by old men in oakton.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Old school ()
Date: February 01, 2013 11:25PM

I've been here over thirty years and you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: The smart one ()
Date: February 01, 2013 11:26PM

Any questioning done with a minor without a parnt or guardian present is inadmissable in court.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: stud] ()
Date: February 01, 2013 11:30PM

The smart one Wrote:
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> Any questioning done with a minor without a parnt
> or guardian present is inadmissable in court.

I herd they where arrested on January 11th, year of lord of 2013. Not sure why they are talking about it now. but I think they talked to their parents after they where arrested, typical fcps

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: twitteriu ()
Date: February 01, 2013 11:36PM

Look at Fernando
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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: PleaseRespectTheirRights ()
Date: February 02, 2013 12:46AM

To the MODERATOR:

Please edit out these kids' names. Let this discussion carry on WITHOUT naming underage kids, either accused or alleged victims.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Jesus Phreak ()
Date: February 02, 2013 12:49AM

Concerned Parent :/ Wrote:
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> can someone confirm what player said? is Ben
> Armstrong one of the boys involved? i hate to name
> drop people but he has had his struggles and he is
> close with my son, id like confirmation please.


Bitchhhh, if he is close to your son, then ask your son! I'm sure at this point it is obvious to any West Springfield student paying attention who the students were.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Jesus Phreak ()
Date: February 02, 2013 12:50AM

PleaseRespectTheirRights Wrote:
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> To the MODERATOR:
>
> Please edit out these kids' names. Let this
> discussion carry on WITHOUT naming underage kids,
> either accused or alleged victims.


not likely to happen

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Student77 ()
Date: February 02, 2013 02:26AM

No your sons friend was not involved in this.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: spartanalum ()
Date: February 02, 2013 02:42AM

@oldschool go back to oakton ya old head and hop off! these girls shouldn't have put themselves in that situation.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: kdog ()
Date: February 02, 2013 06:45AM

FUCKIN RAISE YOUR KIDS CORRECTLY AND THEY WILL NOT BE "THUGS" lol. We live in burke/West springfield and the closest thing to a thug I know is...........immagrants WHICH MOST ARE HARD WORKING. SHIT MOST OF YOU PARENTS ARE PROBABLY SMOKING TOO! Such a shame all of you put on your cape and mask before you go out EVERYDAY. And if it were girls being taken to get drunk! WHOS FAULT IS IT?!?!?! THE PARENTS TELLING THEIR KIDS ONE SIMPLE WORD which is "okay" honey!
DONT SIT HERE AND BITCH ABOUT HOW FCPS NEEED TO CRACK DOWN.....Take care of your kids and worry about yourself rather than others....YOU ARE TO BUSY WORRYING ABOUT HOW THE AREAS DOING WHILE YOUR KIDS ARE RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSES GETTING HIGH OR DRUNK.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Oh Noes ()
Date: February 02, 2013 06:45AM

Three West Springfield High School students have been arrested and charged in a child exploitation ring.

The boys are accused of getting teenage girls drunk and making sex tapes. The tapes were made sometimes after the girls had passed out.

The accused teenagers were arrested at West Springfield High School on January 11. One of them is 15 years old. The other two are 16 years old.

Fairfax County police say the accused students victimized six local teenage high school girls in an online porn distribution ring. Some of the girls attended West Springfield High School.

All the suspects and all the alleged victims knew each other.

The sex tapes were reportedly shared among students both on and offline.

It isn't clear when the tapes were made, but the case came to light when a school resource officer learned about sex tapes going around at the school on November 29, 2012. The discovery triggered a police investigation.

The teenage boys are charged with possession, reproduction, distribution, solicitation and facilitation of child pornography.

Police aren't sure if there are more alleged victims.

The accused could face more charges as the investigation continues.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: bugslife ()
Date: February 02, 2013 07:35AM

Students names shouldn't be posted!

What happened is wrong, let the legal system take care of this situation.

West Springfield high is a good school with a lot of community support and pride.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: bugslife ()
Date: February 02, 2013 07:42AM

PTA Drama

In the big scheme of life......is this something to worry about?

I hope this is the only thing that you ever have to stress over.

Filing a formal complaint to the county........they have bigger thinigs on their plate than this.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: need a reality check ()
Date: February 02, 2013 09:03AM

stud] Wrote:
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> I herd they where arrested on January 11th, year
> of lord of 2013. Not sure why they are talking
> about it now. but I think they talked to their
> parents after they where arrested, typical fcps


So the cops show up with an arrest warrant and the principal's supposed to stop the cops so he can call the parent? How exactly is he supposed to do that? I am sure the police would be happy to wait in the teacher's lounge until the parents make their way down to school to watch their kids get arrested.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: West Springfield mom ()
Date: February 02, 2013 09:41AM

Wow, if convicted will these boys be on the Child Molester registry?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: UDA ()
Date: February 02, 2013 09:51AM

And if the video was shared online, anyone who has the video on a computer or other device is in possession of child porn.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: annie oakley ()
Date: February 02, 2013 10:51AM

even if you erase the tape off your computer it will always be traceable. You all can't hide forever.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Bullshit Choir ()
Date: February 02, 2013 11:32AM

West Springfield mom Wrote:
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> Wow, if convicted will these boys be on the Child
> Molester registry?

Usually for minors convicted of sex offenses they're placed on the sex offender registry for a term of years, like 10 years or so. If they keep their noses clean, then their names come off the registry.

I see that the choir is already warming up with the usual bullshit refrain of "they're good kids, they shouldn't have their lives ruined forever" that's so popular in Fairfax county.

The TRUTH is that the little fucking scumbags who pull this kind of shit laugh about the bullet they figuratively dodged when the expensive attorneys their parents hire manage to get them off with a slap on the wrist. I predict that these kids will be no different.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Old school ()
Date: February 02, 2013 11:39AM

These kids need to be prosecuted.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Blam ()
Date: February 02, 2013 12:20PM

I remember when West Springfield was just a place where you got your head smashed in with a hammer.. or you were thrown through one of those wire reinforced windows. Perhaps one or 2 kids ODed or got killed in car accidents..

Now a child pornography ring? My my, have the times changed..

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Bulldoggy ()
Date: February 02, 2013 12:34PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Can we assume they were they transfers from
> Westfield?


Can we asssume you are still in your Mom's basement, eating poptarts and playing video games? Time to grow up, your 30.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: spartanalum ()
Date: February 02, 2013 01:00PM

both the boys and girls were embarrassed and traumatized. The boys will be registered as sex offenders for years and that will be enough. They just need to be given a shit load of community service hours.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Old school ()
Date: February 02, 2013 01:11PM

These boys are lucky they are not my girls.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Bobbbbbb ()
Date: February 02, 2013 01:11PM

dear arguing milfs,
PTA moms are stupid. PTA hater moms are stupid. we don't care what you're arguing about, and you're wasting your life blabbering on and on.

please continue your catfight in a wading pool full of jello and have someone videotape it and put it on the internet so your bickering will actually contribute to society.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: AnonymousWSHS2010 ()
Date: February 02, 2013 01:55PM

The reason these guys were arrested is because they roofied and RAPED over 50 girls from WSHS, FILMED the raping, and the sent the videos to all of the students and posted it on the internet.

There are some truely sick people out there.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Stupid Ass Kids ()
Date: February 02, 2013 02:21PM

The names of the three boys are dumb fuck, dumber fuck, and dumbest fuck. While committing either statutory rape, or rape, they are stupid enough to produce visual evidence of their crimes and then share it with other people. Once they are convicted of child pornography, and possibly other felonies, they will likely have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. Dumb fuck, dumber fuck, and dumbest fuck will then spend the rest of their lives working either the fry machine at McDonalds, or the counter, where they will ask customers if they want to super size their number 3 combo meals. What a bunch of stupid ass motherfuckers these three morons are!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: According to twitter ()
Date: February 02, 2013 02:24PM

Tyler Uhlman, Eric Speer, Andrew Cox are three athletes who just might be interesting to talk to about now.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: anonymous mouse ()
Date: February 02, 2013 03:37PM

the people parents should be worried about are the Kingpin Pot Dealers that have taken over the school like MALIK BRATHWAITE (23) GRADUATED 08'. HE PUSHES DRUGS INTO THAT SCHOOL AND CONTINUES TOO
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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WOWZERS ()
Date: February 02, 2013 03:38PM

lol, wow so now we are name dropping innocent people like MALIK BRATHWAITE? who you probably know nothing about..

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Zoomies ()
Date: February 02, 2013 03:39PM

Malik Brathwaite is rich from selling drugs. A lot of people around here know this.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: HAHAHAHKATIE ()
Date: February 02, 2013 03:41PM

just read every post on this thread and it ends up calling out a local "suspected kingpin" lol cmon stick to what these 3 kids did and dont name people you have no idea about, i went to highschool with Malik and while he did have money i dont remember him selling drugs, he is a good guy.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: gURU ()
Date: February 02, 2013 03:41PM

YEAH IVE HEARD OF MALIK BRATHWAITE, KIDS A DBAG AND A DRUG DEALER, I DONT SEE HOW NAMING HIS NAME IS A PROBLEM , I KNOW HE IS RICH FROM SELLING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT KNOW HIM.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: PARENTS OF WSHS ()
Date: February 02, 2013 03:43PM

so you believe this young man Malik Brathwaite had something to do with this???

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: UlaMay ()
Date: February 02, 2013 04:13PM

accusing someone of something you know nothing about is wrong, you can be prosecuted if he chooses to pursue this. idk him but to put his name out there as a "kingpin" is irresponsible and wrong.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Too Soon ()
Date: February 02, 2013 04:38PM

I guess Uhlman Speered some girls with his Cox.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Pushers are Common ()
Date: February 02, 2013 04:45PM

Leave Malik B out of this, even if he is involved in some shady activities (every school has tons of these guys)...he has nothing to do with current situation and has not even gone there in years

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Kingpin ()
Date: February 02, 2013 04:48PM

calling out Malik B for this is so juvenile i know him personally and yeah he can be called a few different things but a drug dealer isnt one of them..hes a freaking teacher for christ sakes.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: ClassOf11 ()
Date: February 02, 2013 04:52PM

Closest thing to this I can remember was some girls putting seran wrap over their v's and having oral sex with each other when we were in 8th grade. sounded pretty hot at the time but pretty funny thinking about it now

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: GUYS ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:00PM

yeah well why not question a drug dealer? if he gave it to them he is part of the problem. i know these kids didnt just find marijuana on the street.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: LOLZ ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:01PM

@GUYS, I WOULDNT BE SO SURE ABOUT THAT.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: gregory ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:03PM

you cannot charge Malik with anything, he can just say idk what your talking about and its done, i know him he is a popular guy, a lot of girls i know , know him. Drugs or not you cannot name him for something you dont have proof of and he has a good heart he wouldnt purposely give these kids anything knowing full well what they planned. Btw he graduated 5 , yes 5 years ago.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Drug Dealer Alert ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:04PM

MALIK BRATHWAITE, DRUG DEALER.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: yanick ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:08PM

SOMEONE SHOULD QUESTION HIM..

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: 09 ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:10PM

lol this thread is such bullshit, it went from PTA, to naming kids who werent even involved to questioning a guy who graduated 5 years ago. Bullshit people. Dont even tell me im wrong you cannot say Malik B or any of these people are affliated without PROOOOF!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Huh??? ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:10PM

The reports say the three kids got the girls drunk ... Why would they need drugs from a drug dealer?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wshs student ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:21PM

Ben Armstrong is not one of the three boys so leave him and the other mentioned students out of this. Just let the due process of law take care of this before passing judgement on all those involved birth the girls and the guys.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: greenday ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:44PM

I read they drugged them, He is a drug dealer, put 2 and 2 together..

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Vazco ()
Date: February 02, 2013 05:44PM

#FREEMALIK

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: uninvolved lawyer ()
Date: February 02, 2013 06:18PM

You are the type who give lawyers a bad name. Its fine to sue the people involved, but trying to sue the FCPS, parents (unless they were involved is ridiculous - your just trying to go after a deep pocket, without regard to actual blame or fault so you can get a fat contingency fee. Sue the guilty kids, garnish trheir wages sure, but don't sue the uninvolved just because you want a deep pocket defendant.

Lawyer Wrote:
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> I am attorney who currently represents 2 of the
> victims in this case. We are trying to locate the
> others. My office is preparing a multi-million
> dollar lawsuit that will name the young men
> involved, their parents, the FCPS system, and any
> other individuals involved in hopes of getting
> proper compensation for the victims. These young
> ladies have been severly traumatized by this
> incident and will face years of counseling and
> therapy! Their innocence was stolen by the young
> men responsible and their lives have been changed
> forever! My hope is to have the young men
> responsible pay compensation (through wage
> garnishments) to these young ladies for the rest
> of their lives, so they never forget this
> incident!
>
> If anyone knows the victims in this terrible
> incident, please have them contact me.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Malik B ()
Date: February 02, 2013 06:35PM

LOOKS LIKE I NEED A LAWYER LOL

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: anony ()
Date: February 02, 2013 06:36PM

I'm 1000000% sure he was not

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Mikeymike ()
Date: February 02, 2013 07:02PM

Lawyer Wrote:
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> I am attorney who currently represents 2 of the
> victims in this case. We are trying to locate the
> others. My office is preparing a multi-million
> dollar lawsuit that will name the young men
> involved, their parents, the FCPS system, and any
> other individuals involved in hopes of getting
> proper compensation for the victims. These young
> ladies have been severly traumatized by this
> incident and will face years of counseling and
> therapy! Their innocence was stolen by the young
> men responsible and their lives have been changed
> forever! My hope is to have the young men
> responsible pay compensation (through wage
> garnishments) to these young ladies for the rest
> of their lives, so they never forget this
> incident!
>
> If anyone knows the victims in this terrible
> incident, please have them contact me.

You sound like a typical ambulance chaser. Hiding your greed in a veil of "help the victims" is laughable. Criminals belong in prison to pay for their crimes, not in civil court to pay for the new wing on your McMansion. Leeches like you are a pox on this nation.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: John F. ()
Date: February 02, 2013 07:07PM

I blame the Parents
STAY IN SCHOOL

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: You've Been Trolled ()
Date: February 02, 2013 07:14PM

Mikeymike Wrote:
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> You sound like a typical ambulance chaser. Hiding
> your greed in a veil of "help the victims" is
> laughable. Criminals belong in prison to pay for
> their crimes, not in civil court to pay for the
> new wing on your McMansion. Leeches like you are
> a pox on this nation.

Of course he sounds like a typical ambulance chaser. He's a troll, pretending to be a lawyer. Did you not notice that he didn't post any contact information, even though the last line of his post was "please have them contact me"?

While he's more literate than the vast majority of shitwits that troll FFXU, he still gave himself away with several other stylistic tells that betray him as a troll and not an attorney.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Older Kid ()
Date: February 02, 2013 08:24PM

I graduated in 2011, I remember talking to my now retired english teacher from Irving Middle School and asking her how her current students (class of 2015 sophomores) were compared to previous years'. With literally no hesitation whatsoever she said they were "the worst ever". She went on to tell me vaguely about how disrespectful and truly cruel some of the kids were.

Considering she was one of the sweetest women I took her word for it and immediately thought about what she said when I heard about this story.

No disrespect to Class of 2015, I am sure 99% of you are fine, hardworking students. But that 1% screwed things up very badly for your class and really embarrassed your school for the foreseeable future.

As an older kid with a little more meaningful life experience than you guys I am honestly advising whoever sees this to chill out and slow your roll on some of this garbage you are partaking in. You have a lot more of life to see but it seems like a lot of these younger kids are content smoking and drinking there lives away way too early.

It saddens me as an alumni to see my school getting this much negative publicity and students are being generalized as "rapists" by people on the internet looking to get their clever one-liners in. But this to me seems more like a problem with the culture and values of a generation rather than the high school.

Anyways, once a Spartan, always a Spartan. But definitely one of the darkest days in recent West Springfield history.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Smart A$$ ()
Date: February 02, 2013 08:31PM

West Springfield is so ratchet Juicy J wouldn't even touch it.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Back in the Day ()
Date: February 02, 2013 08:36PM

wow high school has changed a good amount. back in the day we would be thankful if a tit pic sext went public. Now they have full-on motion pictures?? LOL.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: GordonBlvd ()
Date: February 02, 2013 08:37PM

Smart A$$ Wrote:
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> West Springfield is so ratchet Juicy J wouldn't
> even touch it.


Lmao +1

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wyoming Mom ()
Date: February 02, 2013 09:21PM

Did any of this happen at school? Like during the ridiculously unsupervised Spartan Time?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Squabble ()
Date: February 02, 2013 09:27PM

lol the fact Malik Brathwaite is on this thread is the funniest thing i think ive ever read, he is 23 why or how would he even know these people? lol and to think some of you slandered his name for what? becuz you think he sells drugs? becuz he is rich? lol Get outta here. Malik Brathwaite im sorry if this comes back to you, know one deserves to have people bash there name like these idiots did to you.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: olderkid ()
Date: February 02, 2013 09:28PM

olderkid

-dude shutup, your that clown know one talked too who wished he was partaking in these things in highschool. your wisdom is bullshit.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Hugh ()
Date: February 02, 2013 09:56PM

I graduated in 2000. I stumbled upon this site after hearing from a buddy WSHS was in the news.

The random accusations, name dropping, PTA infighting, etc really put a smile to my face. It's good to know high schoolers, and some of their parents, are as immature and tasteless as ever. In my day there was some WSHS website where people put polls like who was the biggest slut, hottest guy, biggest stoner, etc. It got shut down eventually but some parents were up in arms.

To anyone who knows the deal, was anyone 'drugged'? Or are they just referring to alcohol?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wshs student ()
Date: February 02, 2013 10:57PM

It was just alcohol no drugs as far as I have heard from around the school. And I can't agree with u more.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: EdWARD ()
Date: February 02, 2013 11:03PM

Always cute when kids post pretending adults respect Thier contributions!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: James ()
Date: February 02, 2013 11:08PM

The smart one Wrote:
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> Any questioning done with a minor without a parnt
> or guardian present is inadmissable in court.


You have no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: senior student ()
Date: February 02, 2013 11:50PM

The boys 3 WHITE boys were gone from school for a few days and then right back at school & talking about how nothing was going happen to them, like it's all a big joke. What message does that send? The premeditated nature of this is absolutely chilling, 6 girls, each filmed either stone drunk or passed out BEING RAPED BY EACH OF THESE 3 STAR ATHLETES, oh the pride & joy of mommy and daddy and WSHS. I'll tell you if I had a teenage girl I wouldn't want her sitting next to any of these monsters in class that's for sure. If this had been grown men wouldn't they be in jail? This seems like BS response from the school system and the Fairfax County police, get caught with a joint and your gone, rape a few girls, we welcome you back, unbelievable IMHO

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: racist ()
Date: February 02, 2013 11:59PM

its because they are all white they havent been charged yet, trust me , there parents will pull strings or pay money to get them out of this.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WJLA ()
Date: February 03, 2013 01:54AM

WJLA CITED THIS WEBSITE ON THE NEWS TODAY. ABC7

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Yay! FFXU no longer a blog! ()
Date: February 03, 2013 02:02AM

WJLA Wrote:
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> WJLA CITED THIS WEBSITE ON THE NEWS TODAY. ABC7

I noticed the WJLA article about this case didn't call Fairfax Underground a blog, either.

They called it a "listserve". Perhaps they meant "listserv", which is an E-mail mailing list?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Get a Clue ()
Date: February 03, 2013 03:02AM

olderkid Wrote:
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> olderkid
>
> -dude shutup, your that clown know one talked too
> who wished he was partaking in these things in
> highschool. your wisdom is bullshit.


You my friend are exactly what is wrong with the younger generations. You seem like the kind of kid that gets no girls so you upload pictures of pot and alcohol to compensate for the fact that you will never get laid. He/She wasnt giving any bullshit wisdom and is probably a lot better off than you are now
or ever will be. The difference between your grade and my grade when I was 15-16 seems to be that whatever doesn't fit into your skewed perception of what life should be you disregard as "bullshit"...whether it is from parents, teachers, or peers like the one that shared their feelings on a fucked situation.

Grow up dude. It's not too late but it's getting close.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wake Up ()
Date: February 03, 2013 03:14AM

The sad reality is that if these 3 were black or hispanic than this would be national news instead of local news. The kids have definitely benefitted from the fact that they seemed to be popular, athletic, good-looking WHITE boys. Not trying to play the race card but it is factual in today's society that white skin = benefit of the doubt.

I hope all lingering details come out soon cause I gaurentee these 6 girls aren't exactly walking around with halos over their heads.

With all of this being said I truly hope nobody's life is ruined before it ever really started.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Questioning Questioner ()
Date: February 03, 2013 08:28AM

One question is have the three boys been suspended from participating in sports as required by the Fairfax County Public Schools participation policy for student activities? http://www.fcps.edu/supt/activities/athletics/docs/participation.pdf

Specifically:
Students charged with a crime in the community that involves violence, tobacco, alcohol, or any other prohibited substance may be suspended from participation in Student Activities until disposition of the charges. Students must report any such incidents to the coach, sponsor, or teacher who will present the facts as known to the school administrator. Failure to report such an incident may result in exclusion from participation in these Student Activities for the remainder of the school year.

From what I'm hearing, the boys are not sorry for what they did, and think it's all a big joke.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Hoping ()
Date: February 03, 2013 09:26AM

I would imagine that the boys' apparent attitude is a bit of bravado ... They cannot be happy with knowing that they might have jeopardized their future. I wish they also would reconsider the morality of their behavior, but I somehow doubt it. I agree that they should certainly be kicked off the sports teams at a minimum and possibly be forced to change schools. I would certainly not wish to be their parents right now ... How mortifying.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: vanilla ice ()
Date: February 03, 2013 10:00AM

Are the perps niggaz or wiggaz?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Hoping ()
Date: February 03, 2013 10:05AM

They're not locked up ... That should answer your question.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: 6xmkb ()
Date: February 03, 2013 10:08AM

News Channel 8 just reported on this story and cited "the Fairfax Underground website" on air as a source.
Attachments:
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Re: West Springfield High arrest
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Date: February 03, 2013 10:35AM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: VictimsHaveRights77 ()
Date: February 03, 2013 12:48PM

TO LAWYER: Please provide the name of the firm that you work for and a contact phone number. If you are involved with this case I would like to talk to you.
This is very important.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Pay attention ()
Date: February 03, 2013 01:30PM

Real lawyers are highly unlikely to post on FU ...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: ewww ()
Date: February 03, 2013 01:36PM

.... Wrote:
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> https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelspeer94/media/gr
> id?idx=0&tid=297592579657187328


They're so girly-looking, I'm starting to question this whole story.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: I see 4 Pole Smokers ()
Date: February 03, 2013 01:42PM

.... Wrote:
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> https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelspeer94/media/gr
> id?idx=0&tid=297592579657187328


They're so girly-looking, I'm starting to question this whole story.

I agree. When I look at this photo I msee four pole smoking pillow biting "receivers" if you know what I mean.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: ummm yeah ()
Date: February 03, 2013 02:16PM

i cant believe you guys just said i doubt these kids could have done this, lol are you serious? the fact that he calls this whole incident shit shows his lack of remorce, these kids should be prosecuted , rape isnt something that should be over looked, idk how any of you could say i doubt they did this, its been proven.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Geasz ()
Date: February 03, 2013 02:18PM

And yes there were drugs present, I believe Malik Brathwaite could have had something to do with that, when i was in highschool he was selling to all my friends and turning a major profit, its bs. He is a local dealer with ties to all these kids, he is friends with Tyler Uhlmans brother, Brad Uhlman, he knows these boys i believe, and he may have answers to random questions others wouldn't. Im just saying it cannot hurt to question MALIK BRATHWAITE. if you want more information on him i can post his FB.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Chill ()
Date: February 03, 2013 02:29PM

ummm yeah Wrote:
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> i cant believe you guys just said i doubt these
> kids could have done this, lol are you serious?
> the fact that he calls this whole incident shit
> shows his lack of remorce, these kids should be
> prosecuted , rape isnt something that should be
> over looked, idk how any of you could say i doubt
> they did this, its been proven.


Get your facts straight, nobody was raped. The "victims" willingly got drunk with these guys and may have initiated the entire episode for all we know. The sad reality that the media and people are not willing to accept is that these girls were and are whores. I am not afraid to call it like I see it because if you are having sexual relations as a 14-16 year old you are a WHORE.

I am not condoning what these guys did because it is weird and unlike anything I have ever seen before. But do not lose sight of the FACT that they did not rape anybody. All double standards between girls and guys aside, they did what every high school aged boy tries to do. Which is get intoxicated with girls and try to hook up with them. The huge mistake they made was producing visual evidence of their taboo activities, that is really the only thing they did wrong.

I feel bad for the guys in the sense that yes they were wrong but now they are being wrongly accused of being rapists. That's not something you label some kid as unless you are 100% sure and have more info than some B.S. media report that completely sides with the girls.

The girls probably cried wolf and played the victim card because they were embarrassed at their slutty actions and were trying to cover their own asses. Telling mommy and daddy that you got "raped" or "abused" sounds a lot more sympathetic than saying I snuck out to get drunk and high and ended up banging some guy.

Know where your daughters are and don't unnecessarily treat them like queens when they are really anything but behind closed doors.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Lennay Kakua ()
Date: February 03, 2013 02:39PM

^ Hit the nail on the head

Class of 2015 is probably the clearest example of how the glorification of sex, drugs, and alcohol in modern popular culture is beginning to affect our kids.

I am a girl at WS and remain very wary of believing all aspects of this report. While the guys involved are kind of cocky douchebags (especially Eric) to a certain degree, the girls allegedly "victimized" do not exactly have spotless clean reputations around the school or community either. They are for all intents and purposes...whores. Think twice before putting all blame on the guys because i am sure the girls were just as much invovled

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: wowpeople ()
Date: February 03, 2013 02:59PM

Some of you are completely missing the point, since when is it a good idea for 3 boys to get girls drunk and video tape themselves having sex with her? when is it okay for a 15 year old boy to tell his friends hey watch this video of this exploited girl? im not saying the girls arent to blame either but what these boys did was wrong....and they think they are going to get away with it from what people who attend the school have been sayng.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: PPZ ()
Date: February 03, 2013 03:00PM

MALIK BRATHWAITE.MALIK BRATHWAITE. MALIK BRATHWAITE. = DRUG DEALER

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Whatshedaid ()
Date: February 03, 2013 03:03PM

Exactly what these two say. ^^^ The girls are participants all the same. The guys never were charged with rape because the girls were conscious though possibly drunk. The guys are bit dumb but they would be out of school and facing adult prison sentences if it was unconscious drugged up rape. Fox blew this thing all up by saying they thought the girlies were passed out and even the Washington post was affraid to print that so they said it was allegedly reported by fox that it was more unwilling participation. the facts we know and rumors coming out and charges provide a different far less sinister story. One can question a DA for charging oversexed kids who have a cool phone to record escapades as bejng worthy of this much chaos. Could be wrong thought as maybe additional serious charges are on the way???

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Pay attention ()
Date: February 03, 2013 03:10PM

I don't doubt that the girls were not as pure as the driven snow and likely put themselves in a bad situation, however even whores are allowed to decline sex and if a person is passed out, they are unable to decline. That makes it rape even if they were totally willing up until the moment they passed out. Sharing pictures and videos of sex is clearly porn. So these creepy guys should most certainly face charges and get kicked off the sports teams for the remainder of high school. I would imagine any judge would not give them jail time given they presumably have no record up to this point and are juveniles.

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Date: February 03, 2013 04:20PM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: And what exactly is that? ()
Date: February 03, 2013 05:07PM

I challenge the parents on here to randomly ask their kids to show them the photos on their phones. You probably wouldn't believe it unless you saw it for yourself. And don't take any of that invasion of privacy crap, all that means is you better be sitting down before you start......

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: .... ()
Date: February 03, 2013 05:12PM

You are so right ... I don't think enough parents understand how the kids use twitter to discuss and display every detail of their lives.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: durden ()
Date: February 03, 2013 05:52PM

Twitter is necessary to fit in and thus have at least some sense of being important/famous even if only with a circle of losers. Don't blame the kids. If you aren't important you aren't alive. Everyone trades giving others attention to get some in return. It's a big circle of trade to not sink into obscurity. Normal life is no life at all in today's value system. What we are seeing today is going to be tame come 10 yrs from now.

We don't need no education, we don't need no thought control. Yet thought control is all people are now seeking out. In fact begging for it and giving away everything.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Tweet ()
Date: February 04, 2013 02:13AM

It is kind of sad how larger than life Twitter has become. Some parents would be shocked to see the kinds of stuff on their children's twitter feeds..really opens up a different side of them.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: nota lawyer ()
Date: February 04, 2013 07:55AM

Whatshedaid Wrote:
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> The girls are participants all the same. The guys never were charged with rape
> because the girls were conscious though possibly drunk.

Were the guys drunk, too?

=======

If they were, could temporary insanity be a defense?

I see no other way to get around the obviously-guilty-of-them charges (other than, say,a REALLY good attorney convincing a jury that the LAWS themselves are bad when used, minimally, against kids).

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: I know so did wjla ()
Date: February 04, 2013 08:44AM

6xmkb Wrote:
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> News Channel 8 just reported on this story and
> cited "the Fairfax Underground website" on air as
> a source.
and someone said this site is very racist and sexist

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Someone involved ()
Date: February 04, 2013 09:59AM

As someone who knows the true story I can assure everyone reading this that all the girls were whores and wilingly had sex with these boys. Most of the girls knew they were being recorded and did nothing to stop it. NO GIRLS WERE EVER DRUGGED OR PASSED OUT DRUNK!! These three boys do have a bad reputation for drinking and doing other illegal activities but rape is not one of them. If the girls drank the boys did too, everything was consensual as far as you all are concerned. There's a reason NONE of the victims reported it, they didn't care they just liked to get hammered and have sex. If any of the victims were seriously traumatized dont you think they would have rape charges against them or something of that sort? Please don't wrongly accuse these boys of something you have no business being in, let the trial continue without these boys being scared to go to school because something might happen to them because people are calling them rapists.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Pongo ()
Date: February 04, 2013 11:13AM

Who were the girls?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Weyman ()
Date: February 04, 2013 11:17AM

As someone who knows the girls who were involved personally, I can honestly say that the situation is being slanted towards making the boys seem like horrible monsters who should be executed. I also know the boys and it's not surprising that they would do something like this. For the girls however, most of them were completely willing and knew what they were getting into so the idea of them being these hopeless victims needs to stop. They weren't exactly well known for making good decisions.

As for bashing WSHS? I think it's taking a step too far. A huge majority of the student body cares about their friends, family, and their future (grades and such) and understands that this issue is an accumulation of a lot of bad decisions. A few idiots should not speak for everyone.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Smarty Pants ()
Date: February 04, 2013 11:31AM

Weyman Wrote:
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> As someone who knows the girls who were involved
> personally, I can honestly say that the situation
> is being slanted towards making the boys seem like
> horrible monsters who should be executed. I also
> know the boys and it's not surprising that they
> would do something like this. For the girls
> however, most of them were completely willing and
> knew what they were getting into so the idea of
> them being these hopeless victims needs to stop.
> They weren't exactly well known for making good
> decisions.
>


Ahhhh, so distributing kiddie porn is ok since the girls were hussies. Got it.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Dr Phil ()
Date: February 04, 2013 11:51AM

.... Wrote:
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> https://mobile.twitter.com/EricSpeer_21/media/grid
> ?idx=4&tid=275395274602582016



What a tremendously insecure young boy. Eric Speer's father must hate him.

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West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WUSA ()
Date: February 04, 2013 11:57AM

Hi, could you please call us?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: February 04, 2013 12:02PM

The Fairfax Underground media represenative, Meade Skeleton, will contact you shortly.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Admonster ()
Date: February 04, 2013 12:08PM

WUSA Wrote:
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> Hi, could you please call us?


Please contact Scott Lehman regarding all FFXU issues.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: xDHLM ()
Date: February 04, 2013 01:35PM

Given the amount of naked and totally inappropriate pictures kids post on twitter or share via their phones, I assume the police felt this situation went above and beyond the norm or they would not have gone to the trouble and expense of arresting these kids. They are swamped with small time illegality involving high school kids primarily related to drugs. I trust they went forward with this particular case for good reason.

I can see why some posters would be so upset at the press not properly labeling the girls involved as whores, sluts, skanks, and equal willing participants ... how very biased of the press to not use such terms. Of course, in the interest of unbiased reporting, I think we will have to call the three young men by more appropriate names as well and I can think of quite a few labels that would be appropriate starting with ungentlemenly little pieces of shit.

The very idea that these assholes would be frightened to show up at school because some consider their actions as possibly nonconsensual is hilarious. Please.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Idiots ()
Date: February 04, 2013 03:08PM

Two of the guys' older siblings (one guy and one girl) are about as shitty role models as you could possibly imagine. And I heard one of the kids was playing in traffic when he was in 8th grade and got hit by a car so the stupidity levels to commit such offenses do not surprise me in the least.

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Posted by: Parents? ()
Date: February 04, 2013 03:17PM

So maybe it has something to do with parenting?

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cause we adults are all such AWESOME role models.........
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 04, 2013 03:22PM

calling kids whores, using their being run down by a car as a point of humour...............yeah I can't see how children could grow up all fucked up around here..............

by the way, rape is rape. if she's unconscious drunk, it's rape. That's EQUAL to ruffie-sex. And that's rape, I dont care how many ppl she's fucked before - girl could have sex all night long with as many ppl as she wants to - but if you force your way onto her without her permission, IT"S STILL RAPE!

edit: it's a Gotdamn shame that in 2013, ppl still dont understand that



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2013 03:23PM by Gordon Blvd.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Sarcastic mom ()
Date: February 04, 2013 03:23PM

Sure, its always the mom's fault

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Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 04, 2013 03:36PM

not blaming parents - im blaming the boys who took any actions against the females. But I'm not too sure what the TRUE story is so I cant say any more. But I do know that calling the stupid simply cause he was hit by a car is kinda wrong. And I DEFINATELY know that calling a 14 yr old a whore is about as fucked up a thing a person can do.

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Posted by: Parents? ()
Date: February 04, 2013 03:40PM

I'm quite certain that only WSHS kids are using the term "whore" on here ... not adult posters. And the parent I had in mind was DAD ... it seems to me that young boys learn about how to treat women and girls with some degree of dignity by observing the behavior of their dad. I guess I am just hopelessly old fashioned.

Can any of the posters here who claim to be "in the know" comment on whether the girls in the videos were or were not passed out as was reported by FOX? Because that really is the key to whether or not rape is an appropriate description of what happened. And I do agree that no matter how willing a person might be ... the moment they pass out they are no longer consenting because their ability to change their mind is gone.

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Posted by: drugs ()
Date: February 04, 2013 03:42PM

if you're one of the pussies complaining about how they haven't been expelled and u want to pull your kids out of the school be my guest were overcrowded as fuck and your bitching makes me want to throw myself out the window of my second story english class

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Posted by: no ()
Date: February 04, 2013 03:51PM

lol nah

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Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 04, 2013 03:53PM

@parents - good point about the age of the posters - thanks for that :)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Brett F ()
Date: February 04, 2013 04:47PM

It's sad how ws reputation is so low now. Fairfax County really needs to start putting some money in the WS area. Lake Braddock and other schools are 10x better than WS.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Stupidity ()
Date: February 04, 2013 04:50PM

@Gordon Blvd - If you get run over by a car because you were playing in traffic there aren't that many words other than stupid to describe you...

I won't call any of the girls whores because they are a little bit young for such an insult but they were very much conscious and very much enjoying what was going on when these videos were made.

At the end of the day it does come down to parenting. Not sure about the siblings of these guys but the parents have failed miserably with these 3. YOu have to instill some fear factor in your kid so he/she doesn't go out and do dumb shit like this.

The kids today seem to get in more trouble because they genuinely are not afraid of potential consequences from their parents. These suburban cookie cutter soccer moms need to quit babying their kids and instill some discipline so shit like this does not continue to happen.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: TooFar ()
Date: February 04, 2013 04:58PM

Most people who seem to know most about this situation have refuted the claim that the girls involved were unwilling, as they had a clear intent going to the boys houses. So to blindly accuse these kids of raping girls by hearing the harsh twists of the media is extremely ignorant. Maybe you should focus your time on more useful things than bashing highschool students. I'm sure you have made a mistake or two in your adolescent years.

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Posted by: Could Have Been ()
Date: February 04, 2013 05:01PM

Uhlman can probably kiss whatever potential promising athletic career he might have had goodbye after this.

Not sure about the other two, but he was an extremely talented and physically large specimen. I had gone to a number of his freshman and jv football games and he is probably the best qb i have seen at WS since the Renner days. Kind of reminds me of Blake Bell from Oklahoma. Also, a very good baseball player from what I have seen and heard.

Not to detract from the real story but just wanted to give an athletics spin to a very controversial situation. Not having Uhlman out there or even at their school is definitely a blow to WSHS and that kid may have cost himself a chance to play D1 ball someday.

Good riddance. Kids take note, that is not how you handle yourself if you are a star athlete with all the potential in the world.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: time for reality hour ()
Date: February 04, 2013 06:14PM

TooFar Wrote:
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> Most people who seem to know most about this
> situation have refuted the claim that the girls
> involved were unwilling, as they had a clear
> intent going to the boys houses. So to blindly
> accuse these kids of raping girls by hearing the
> harsh twists of the media is extremely ignorant.
> Maybe you should focus your time on more useful
> things than bashing highschool students. I'm sure
> you have made a mistake or two in your adolescent
> years.


These SEXUAL PREDATORS did not steal a pack of gum, idiot.

They RAPED underage girls--who were not in a state of mind to give consent.

14 and 15 year old girls are not WHORES either, oh SPARTAN country--geeze, is this school filled with psychopaths?

They are victims of sexual violence....period....no exceptions.

Hopefully, these three PIGS don't represent the culture of this school.

Time for some soul searching WSHS.

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Posted by: Nope ()
Date: February 04, 2013 06:50PM

Funny how so many girls willingly went into these boys houses and drank with them. Some hard core sexual predators right there seeing how not a single girl reported them to be "rapists" because if that were the case they would have taken them to juvenile detention a little longer than 2 days on a weekend.

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Posted by: newsflash ()
Date: February 04, 2013 06:52PM

Hey Nope-

How about you change to DOPE? Because you are one.

MANY rapes go unreported.

Read up on it, why don't ya?

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Posted by: ?? ()
Date: February 04, 2013 06:53PM

If 14 and 15 year old girls can't be whores then 15 year old boys can't be sexual predators... And there was no violence involved...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Nope ()
Date: February 04, 2013 07:00PM

Good one. Since you're so informed, can you please clarify what most girls expect to be doing going to a male friends house in the middle of the night and drinking? News flash: it's a lot easier for an embarrassed teenage girl to play a victim than admitting to her shocked parents that she had sex at such a young age.

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Posted by: FIVE YEARS ()
Date: February 04, 2013 07:02PM

According to Title 18, Chapter 110, Section 2552A (6), a minor can be charged because he or she “knowingly distributes, offers, sends, or provides to a minor any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, where such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct.”

As previously mentioned, such charges carry a minimum sentence of five years in a federal prison. Additionally, if a minor has been convicted of such charges on a previous case, the punishments will be more severe.

***************************************************************

I wonder if these punks will be calling these girls whores in court, as they are looking at FIVE YEARS in the slammer.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Commenter one ()
Date: February 04, 2013 07:04PM

How about everyone stop making accusations before all the information is out and available until passing judgemement. What you think you know does not matter only the actual facts matter, so please wait until after the trial and investigation are complete before you attack anyone.

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Posted by: Fuck you loser! ()
Date: February 04, 2013 09:07PM

Eric Speer thought he was such a tough guy....FUCKING LOSER. He was bound to ruin his life eventually. This is a kid that said something like "I think I used to be a 23 year old black man selling crack to middle schoolers." Lol I'd love to hear that bitch drop the wigger act now that shit is "real." Eh, maybe his parents will put up enough money to get him out of it like the Renzis or the Abassis. Go to hell Eric

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Parentb ()
Date: February 04, 2013 10:00PM

Letter from the Principal
Dear WSHS Parents & Guardians, Many of you may have heard through various news reports over the weekend that several West Springfield High School students were arrested here at school on January 11 in connection with their involvement in a child exploitation case. As this is an ongoing police investigation, we are directing all questions about the arrests to Fairfax County Police. I want to be very clear that while arrests were made here at school the students did not engage in any of these alleged behaviors at school or during school hours. The charges that are pending all revolve around alleged inappropriate activity that occurred outside of school over an extended period of time.

The allegations were first brought to the attention of School Resource Officer Plazio in November and the police investigation was subsequently launched. Our task is to maintain business as usual at WSHS. We are here to care for and educate all our students. I want to express my regrets that our school was dragged into this story. The reports clearly do not reflect the positive learning environment that students, parents and staff have created at our school. Thank you for your continued support of WSHS.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wshs spartan student ()
Date: February 04, 2013 10:31PM

Ben Armstrong wasn't involved. The kids who were involved are Andrew cox, Eric Speer, and Tyler Uhlman. The only one I feel bad about is Tyler because he really is a good guy he just has trouble making the right decisions. The girl's involved knew exactly what was happening and some of them even kept coming back so I feel no remorse for the ones who did. It's also ironic that the one's suing them are the ones who continued to "hang out" with them for several weekends straight. However, these video tapes were never distributed, only a few of their friends saw them and everyone else just talked about them.

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Posted by: Judge Jury Executioner ()
Date: February 04, 2013 10:41PM

Wshs spartan student Wrote:
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> Ben Armstrong wasn't involved. The kids who were
> involved are Andrew cox, Eric Speer, and Tyler
> Uhlman. The only one I feel bad about is Tyler
> because he really is a good guy he just has
> trouble making the right decisions. The girl's
> involved knew exactly what was happening and some
> of them even kept coming back so I feel no remorse
> for the ones who did. It's also ironic that the
> one's suing them are the ones who continued to
> "hang out" with them for several weekends
> straight. However, these video tapes were never
> distributed, only a few of their friends saw them
> and everyone else just talked about them.





Blah blah blah. Sorry kid, they are all scumbags. Hang em!

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Posted by: Wshs spartan student ()
Date: February 04, 2013 10:48PM

@judge Jury Executioner: that's probably the most pathetic thing I've ever heard. Do you realize what century we are in? We don't hang rapists anymore, what we need to do is give them a chance to reform and if not, they must deal with the consequences of their actions. You need to educate yourself before you speak.

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Posted by: Student ()
Date: February 04, 2013 10:52PM

First off I just want to say almost all of you are possibly the most ignorant group of people I have ever witnessed in one place. I think everyone would appreciate it if you were to just simply get your heads out of your asses and stop listening to every little lie the media tells you.

Some facts..
-these were in no fact rapes. First off all girls gave consent to having sex, second most occurances were done at the boys houses so the girls had to willingly travel, third these girls all new about the videos either before, during or afterwards. Basically meaning, and realize these videos were shot 6-12 months ago, they had all the time in the world to complain about rape, abuse, etc but they didn't because they didn't mind.
-alcohol was the only drug involved. There was no marijuana or roofies present. Plus both girls and guys were and had been drinking.
-no girls were unconscious during any acts of sexual intercourse. Yes they were all heavily intoxicated but the boys were as well.

Now I get it, everyone here is all high and mighty and WSHS is simply full of degenerates that will account for nothing in their of so shitty lives but really you all need to get off your fucking high chair. We have a few fuck ups at our school, we're damn well not perfect and shit, we have a fucking horrible building but for gods sake we are most definitely not the worst.

So please everyone, get your facts straight before you start to gossip like little middle schoolers. Most of you are adults, fucking act like it.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: .... ()
Date: February 04, 2013 10:53PM

While I do agree that what these boys did was wrong, I do feel that the girls are not entirely innocent victims. Let's be honest, these kids have known each other for some time and this was not the first time they party together or the first time they have sex or engage in underage drinking. While what these boys did was wrong the parents of all the kids involved are the ones that are really at fault. I know that kids will find a way to get alcohol but don't make it accessible at home. Question your kids about their whereabouts and get to know their friends parents. Yes, I know that kids will lie and try to get over on us but its our jobs as parents to keep our kids safe. This should serve as a reminder to all of us as parents to keep the lines of communication open with our kids.

I know that everyone looks for other people to blame but it's really an opportunity to look at ourselves and make some adjustments.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: James ()
Date: February 04, 2013 10:56PM

FIVE YEARS Wrote:
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> According to Title 18, Chapter 110, Section 2552A
> (6), a minor can be charged because he or she
> “knowingly distributes, offers, sends, or
> provides to a minor any visual depiction,
> including any photograph, film, video, picture, or
> computer generated image or picture, whether made
> or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other
> means, where such visual depiction is, or appears
> to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit
> conduct.”
>
> As previously mentioned, such charges carry a
> minimum sentence of five years in a federal
> prison. Additionally, if a minor has been
> convicted of such charges on a previous case, the
> punishments will be more severe.
>
> **************************************************
> *************
>
> I wonder if these punks will be calling these
> girls whores in court, as they are looking at FIVE
> YEARS in the slammer.


Thanks legal expert. One problem. You are citing federal law. Juveniles, especially 15 and 16 year olds, are never charged with federal crimes.

They will be prosecuted in the county courts and nothing will come of this. They may change schools but they aren't going to jail.

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Posted by: parent() ()
Date: February 04, 2013 11:06PM

wow,student() has a point.but the student() should also show some respect and tone down his language here.the boys still committed a crime of distributing the videos of minors having sex to others.yeah they were intoxicated but they knew what they were doing when they passed the video around.bad judgment on the boys part and thats what got them to the situation they are in rite now..

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: J.J.J. ()
Date: February 04, 2013 11:21PM

Wshs spartan student Wrote:
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> @judge Jury Executioner: that's probably the most
> pathetic thing I've ever heard. Do you realize
> what century we are in? We don't hang rapists
> anymore, what we need to do is give them a chance
> to reform and if not, they must deal with the
> consequences of their actions. You need to educate
> yourself before you speak.


You must not read much....besides, rapists cannot be reformed. Why stick up for these scumbags? They have you and every other dumb fuck at WSHS kissing their spoiled, bratty asses. Wise up. Your friends are lower than dirt. I bet they won't be so tough in hell.

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Posted by: Student ()
Date: February 04, 2013 11:31PM

J.J.J. Wrote:
>
> You must not read much....besides, rapists cannot
> be reformed. Why stick up for these scumbags?
> They have you and every other dumb fuck at WSHS
> kissing their spoiled, bratty asses. Wise up.
> Your friends are lower than dirt. I bet they
> won't be so tough in hell.


Why is this word "rapists" being thrown around without concern? Please understand before you begin to criticize. And yet again you somehow believe that 3 students reflect upon 2500 of us. Honestly where do you guys get this load of crap from.

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Posted by: Lolz ()
Date: February 04, 2013 11:40PM

@student

You must be new here....go to bed kid, it's past your bedtime child. Lol

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Tough Luck ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:16AM

Feel pretty bad for Tyler. As the other kid pointed out, he really is a good guy he's just a bit misunderstood and is known to make some stupid decisions. He's made his bed and now he'll have to sleep in it but its pretty tough to see a nice guy who was actually well liked around WS go through all of this. I'm hoping all he has to do is change schools and maybe some community service. Not sure about the other 2, but Tyler isnt as bad a guy as he may come off as or this thread makes him sound.

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Posted by: Karma ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:26AM

Tyler is fine but I don't feel bad for Eric at all. He is a cocky asshole that thinks he is god's gift to the rest of us. Doesn't surprise me one bit the kid screwed up this badly. Anyways, karmas a bitch man and when ur at JDC for the next couple years think about all the kids uve fucked with over the years. The world has a way of working itself out.

Don't drop the soap asshole (pun intended)

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Posted by: Free Will is failing ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:26AM

Okay maybe rape is a bit strong to use for underage amoral goofballs in this age of bull shit rationalization. How about purveyors of child porn?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Ws junior ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:31AM

Lmao give Ben a little bit more credit. All he did was best the shit out of some kid cause he owed him money, he didnt have sex with girls and tape it.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Deuces ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:37AM

I see no way any of these 3 ever step back inside WSHS again and if they do be ready for parents (especially those with daughters) to protest and raise hell.

As for the class as a whole, I'm scared for what the future holds considering barley any of these kids can even drive right now. Can't imagine what their senior year is going to be like when partying, drinking, and having sex is the norm. These few seem way ahead of the game and have set standards pretty damn high for their classmates.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Way Too Far ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:45AM

TooFar: Most people who seem to know most about this situation have refuted the claim that the girls involved were unwilling

Student: -these were in no fact rapes. First off all girls gave consent to having sex

Student: -no girls were unconscious during any acts of sexual intercourse.

Surely if you are "most people" who "know most" then you have watched the videos? And must agree that someone must have edited out the consent, willingness, and conscious parts.

Or, you might just be full of shit.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: likewise ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:48AM

You know, I'm completely surprised to see so much intolerance and misunderstanding among the adults who are receiving their information from this thread. Calling out an entire school and even going as far to calling an entire county incompetent for a few students actions is just absurd. The fact of the matter is, no one truly knows the immediate situation beside the ones actually involved so making irrational assumptions about the rest of the students and the staff is uncalled for. West Springfield may be a slight dilapidated and be subject to a few "bad" students but what high school in America isn't? On the whole, West Springfield has a great student body that shares in value and pride. So please, leave this situation to the professionals and refrain from drawing conclusions on obviously skewed information.

P.S. As for the adults on here talking about how bad the students are, I would love you to try taking the same AP-filled course load as the students are expected to take now and lets see how well you do. Please. I dare you.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wake up parents ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:49AM

If this isn't a wake up call to parents to get their oblivious heads out of their asses i don't know what is. These 3 boys and the 5-6 girls are definitely NOT the only high school kids in the area doing stuff like this.

The only difference is that they produced evidence of it but the actual actions of these boys and girls (sneaking out, drinking cheap liquor, possibly smoking marijuana, and hooking up with the opposite sex) is happening ALL THE TIME at ALL SCHOOLS.

Know where your kids are, don't buy bullshit lies they will try to tell, and punish them hard as hell if they mess up.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Palmate ()
Date: February 05, 2013 02:22AM

likewise Wrote:
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> P.S. As for the adults on here talking about how
> bad the students are, I would love you to try
> taking the same AP-filled course load as the
> students are expected to take now and lets see how
> well you do. Please. I dare you.


You dare me to take an AP class? What a cunt.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: EricS ()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:04AM

We know who squealed to the Resource Officer at WS. Trust me when I say, when this is over you're dead. And I mean dead. You have ruined our lives and our futures and you will pay the ultimate price! Hope you will still feel it was worth it when you are six feet under! Nobody will be able to protect you! No matter where you go, we will find you!

edit by Cary: This user has a history of troll posts. The author's name is almost certainly impersonating one of the athletes allegedly involved. Take this post with a grain (mound) of salt.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2013 07:54PM by Cary.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Shocking ()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:11AM

I'm shocked that Eric Speer would agree to do these videos, what with his baby penis condition and all. Does he know he's not black yet? Funny how it's always the over-privledged white kids...dont worry Eric, you have daddy's attention now :)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: gt3 ()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:28AM

I,m sure this happens all the time with kids not that it makes it right. Let's hear posts from other schools. Sexting has been going on for some time. How about the kids who make up fake Facebook sites and use this to post or rip others to shreds.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Andrew ()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:56AM

REMOVED OUR NAMES FROM THIS SITE NOW

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Lolz ()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:59AM

Andrew Wrote:
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> REMOVED OUR NAMES FROM THIS SITE NOW




Andrew? I think it's actually Eric. Someone as insecure as him must be going nuts over this "blog." Lolzz

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: tGbCJ ()
Date: February 05, 2013 09:04AM

Well well,this certainly tops the Katie Ward case. 8-)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: MYOPINION ()
Date: February 05, 2013 09:35AM

No they were not suspended from sports. I was shocked on Saturday night to see one of the accussed playing basketball on the opposing team from my son. His parents were right there in the bleachers and didn't act like anything was wrong. They also didn't pay any attention to their son playing the game!! Just talked the entire time. What does that tell you??

If it were my son, he would be grounded for life!!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: FU BITCH ()
Date: February 05, 2013 09:38AM

MYOPINION Wrote:
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> No they were not suspended from sports. I was
> shocked on Saturday night to see one of the
> accussed playing basketball on the opposing team
> from my son. His parents were right there in the
> bleachers and didn't act like anything was wrong.
> They also didn't pay any attention to their son
> playing the game!! Just talked the entire time.
> What does that tell you??
>
> If it were my son, he would be grounded for life!!


YOU NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE NAMES

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: ToolsYouCanUse ()
Date: February 05, 2013 09:40AM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: a reader ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:11AM

Could Have Been Wrote:
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> Uhlman can probably kiss
>
> Not sure about the other two, but he was an
> extremely talented and physically large specimen.
>
> is definitely a blow
>
> handle yourself

I saw what you did here with this post

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WaPo ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:45AM

Lawyer,

We're putting together a story about the arrests and would like to talk to you. 703-383-5111

Best,

The Washington Post

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: hear a pin drop at WSHS ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:53AM

Other than the belated announcement from the WSHS principal, there has been radio silence in this community.

Where is the outrage and disgust from this community?

Anyone? PTA? Parents? Teachers?

Are you all about preserving whatever reputation your school had that you won't speak out about the sexual violence that has occurred?

Seriously?

I'm sure St Bernies will be packed on Sunday with you guys all praising God and claiming to be upstanding, caring citizens....what a joke.

Anyone willing to condemn these horrible acts against young girls?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Not Yet ()
Date: February 05, 2013 11:02AM

hear a pin drop at WSHS Wrote:
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> Other than the belated announcement from the WSHS
> principal, there has been radio silence in this
> community.
>
> Where is the outrage and disgust from this
> community?
>
> Anyone? PTA? Parents? Teachers?
>
> Are you all about preserving whatever reputation
> your school had that you won't speak out about the
> sexual violence that has occurred?
>
> Seriously?
>
> I'm sure St Bernies will be packed on Sunday with
> you guys all praising God and claiming to be
> upstanding, caring citizens....what a joke.
>
> Anyone willing to condemn these horrible acts
> against young girls?

No I am not. Despite the situation looking really bad for these 3 boys, all we have to go off of is MyFoxDC's extremely biased report. Wait until more details and information comes out then label these kids as rapists or whores. As of now most word of mouth is speculation and nothing more.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: blogger ()
Date: February 05, 2013 11:21AM

hear a pin drop at WSHS Wrote:
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> I'm sure St Bernies will be packed on Sunday with
> you guys all praising God and claiming to be
> upstanding, caring citizens....what a joke.
>
> Anyone willing to condemn these horrible acts
> against young girls?

Maybe they are condemning it here Einstein.

Just because parents don't picket in front of the school before all the facts are known doesn't make those parents rapists you idiot. The perps were arrested, let the justice system work its stuff.

I love these "let's get a mob together and burn them!" idiots, with their pitchforks and torches and self-righteousness. The one I quoted posted a note on some public web forum criticizing people who don't complain outside their houses. Hypocritical and idiotic.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: MYOPINION ()
Date: February 05, 2013 11:26AM

What does that mean?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Pay attention ()
Date: February 05, 2013 11:27AM

EricS and company,

See the thing is, you can delete your twitter account or lock it, but your postings and pictures are still visible to those who know how to access them. Just as an example:

http://twicsy.com/i/Pvz2Nc

And I'm pretty sure most people know how to use google cache.

This is one of the many reasons you should not post revealing pictures and videos of others online ... you violate their privacy for a really long time.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: who are you?? ()
Date: February 05, 2013 11:36AM

>
> No I am not. Despite the situation looking really
> bad for these 3 boys, all we have to go off of is
> MyFoxDC's extremely biased report. Wait until more
> details and information comes out then label these
> kids as rapists or whores. As of now most word of
> mouth is speculation and nothing more.


What was "biased" about the Fox Report? Do share.

More details WON'T be coming out nitwit---this will be tried in juvenile court it looks like-UNFORTUNATELY.

Are you suggesting that these choirboys did nothing wrong? Did they not break the law?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Record ()
Date: February 05, 2013 11:50AM

hear a pin drop at WSHS Wrote:
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> Other than the belated announcement from the WSHS
> principal, there has been radio silence in this
> community.>
> Where is the outrage and disgust from this
> community?>
> Anyone? PTA? Parents? Teachers>
> Are you all about preserving whatever reputation
> your school had that you won't speak out about the
> sexual violence that has occurred?>
> Seriously?>
> I'm sure St Bernies will be packed on Sunday with
> you guys all praising God and claiming to be
> upstanding, caring citizens....what a joke.>
> Anyone willing to condemn these horrible acts
> against young girls?

In agreement, but recent events have shown that when something this repugnant happens around Fairfax County, few people are able to address the issue. Many people prefer to shut down/pretend it's not happening in their own neighborhood. Perhaps it is to preserve a reputation, or perhaps they are not comfortable with the challenges it causes. But FCPS contributes to this atmosphere. Many administrators seem incapable of doing the morally correct job unless they are beaten over the head with a list of laws or that requires them to do the right thing.

It's ultimately all a job of spin and image for them.

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Date: February 05, 2013 12:21PM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: the bitchs ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:24PM

.... Wrote:
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> http://twicsy.com/i/iQkxfd
Attachments:
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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Foodie ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:28PM

Does Eric eat? Doesn't look like it...ol skeletor ass

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: who? ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:28PM

^^ "The bitches" is too vague. Are they the wronged maidens in this modern Fairfax County drama?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Irving ()
Date: February 05, 2013 12:29PM

Did these students go to Irving Middle School?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Glen Ridge ()
Date: February 05, 2013 02:09PM

Similar thing happened to kids at my HS in Glen Ridge NJ. They didnt film it but had the 'sex party' anyway. The girl involved had learning disabilities. Very rich suburb but their daddy's money could not save the hijinks of those dumb boys. Good. Ruined their lives and justly so.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Randy Spheres ()
Date: February 05, 2013 02:59PM

Do any of these amoral goofballs have parents in the porn industry?
Or perhaps the parents are too busy driving some oversized SUV and thinking how to score an oversized McMansion in Great Falls? Leave the parenting to the school's which is really stupid. Being a parent takes a little effort but remember if they grow up not giving a shit about you(gimme gimme syndrome does not count) they just might take care of your old decrepit body when you hit 70 and not shove you in nursing home. Large majority of nursing homes are hell on earth on your way to see the higher power in the universe. Come on upwardly mobile parent just maybe you won't be a 1%- er.

Oh yeah, the love and respect of a child is a wonderful thing and it helps society. But who gives a shit anymore right

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: parents beware ()
Date: February 05, 2013 03:18PM

The media referenced up to 6 victims and suggested that there might be more. These parents need to keep an eye on these girls for signs of depression, etc.

There have been a number of cases where young girls humiliated by such public viewing have taken their lives.

On the outside they might be joking around and saying it's not a big deal--but inside they could be really hurting.School psychologists should be keeping a very close watch on these girls.

Let's pray this story doesn't get any uglier or more tragic than it already is.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Georgia ()
Date: February 05, 2013 03:45PM

Some people claim the girls "knew what they were doing" and they were willing participants. As if that makes it all so normal. How likely is it that six teenaged girls were happy and willing to be videotaped having sex and having the recordings distributed to other people?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WTOP ()
Date: February 05, 2013 03:46PM

w00t! Fairfax Underground cited as a source from WTOP:

http://wtop.com/149/3218310/Fairfax-Co-students-busted-in-porn-case

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 05, 2013 03:47PM

@stupidity - to call a child stupid for getting hit by a car as they play in their neighborhood is absolutely insane.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Parent of a WSHS Junior ()
Date: February 05, 2013 03:52PM

No Son knew about it in Jnuary he said 20 girls involved. Lets wait for the outcome of court, they wont release details since all are Juveniles. Or do we want a Witch hunt over this? Just look at the Conn. shooting, No Automatic weapons where used in that, but look at the state of the nation over Gun Control. Chill Peeps.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Really? ()
Date: February 05, 2013 03:54PM

20 girls??? I don't believe that for a second ... have you looked at these guys pictures??? No way.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: hey idiot parent of WSHS Jr ()
Date: February 05, 2013 03:56PM

How about you chill?

I don't think the choices are a witch hunt and don't give a shit.

Surely reasoned adults can settle somewhere in between these two extremes.

Pathetic attempt at comparing this to Newtown and gun control.

I bet you are just a super de dooper parent given your idiotic comments.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: great advice from WSHS parent ()
Date: February 05, 2013 04:04PM

The tormented Staten Island teenager who killed herself by jumping in the path of a train was bullied to death by classmates after she had sex with four football players, police sources said Thursday.

Felicia Garcia, a 15-year-old freshman at Tottenville High School, was driven to her death when two classmates blabbed about the encounters — and she learned that it had been recorded.

“Kids are saying she had sex with some guys from the football team at a party after the game,” said a friend of the doomed girl who asked not to be identified. “Later on they wouldn't leave her alone about it. They just kept bullying her and bullying her.”

After the weekend, the bullying sent Felicia into the final tailspin in a long-troubled life.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Met ()
Date: February 05, 2013 04:15PM

great advice from WSHS parent Wrote:
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> The tormented Staten Island teenager who killed
> herself by jumping in the path of a train was
> bullied to death by classmates after she had sex
> with four football players, police sources said
> Thursday.
>
> Felicia Garcia, a 15-year-old freshman at
> Tottenville High School, was driven to her death
> when two classmates blabbed about the encounters
> — and she learned that it had been recorded.
>
> “Kids are saying she had sex with some guys from
> the football team at a party after the game,”
> said a friend of the doomed girl who asked not to
> be identified. “Later on they wouldn't leave her
> alone about it. They just kept bullying her and
> bullying her.”
>
> After the weekend, the bullying sent Felicia into
> the final tailspin in a long-troubled life.


This is sad. Some people say "teens are always looking for sex" or that these kids are willing participants in sex acts and they know what they are getting into. Then a story like this comes along, and it shows that some teens may become sexually active because they think it will make them more popular, but it actually leads to depression and low self-esteem.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: lilswamp ()
Date: February 05, 2013 04:27PM

Whatever happend to innocent until proven guilty? People are forgeting that in this County, you do have rights - to remain silent and to have an attorney. Let a judge or jury determine what should happen. No one knows for sure at this point if the girls were willing participants. They were teenagers. It is not as if the boys were sending pictures of six year olds.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Andrew M. ()
Date: February 05, 2013 04:28PM

There is absolutely no chance that the girls would have been cool with being videotaped. It just defies belief.

To surreptitiously film them and then distribute the vidoes to your friends in an attemp to impress them is a premeditated and disgusting act, and has almost certainly caused all sorts of emotional and pyschological trauma for the girls involved. They are not even close to being emotionally mature enough to be able to handle this type of betrayel and cruelty from someone they trusted. This should not be minimized or rationalized away. I realize some of the posters on here are clearly high schoolers or middle schoolers themselves, but that does not excuse any attempt to justify or trivialize how harmful and mean these boys actions were.

Child p*rn charges seem misguided, but the perpetrators should be punished with prejudice. Nothing less than a few months in JDC will do this case justice.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Parent of a WSHS Junior ()
Date: February 05, 2013 04:35PM

hey idiot parent of WSHS Jr Wrote:
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> How about you chill?
>
> I don't think the choices are a witch hunt and
> don't give a shit.
>
> Surely reasoned adults can settle somewhere in
> between these two extremes.
>
> Pathetic attempt at comparing this to Newtown and
> gun control.
>
> I bet you are just a super de dooper parent given
> your idiotic comments.



I had 3 daughters Graduate from WSHS, OPHS and LBSS all virgins, even had my wife meet the cops at a house party of the youngest Daughters. and have 2 Boys in school WSHS and Elem, and can say I keep track of my Kids 24/7 so pretty sure I can speak from Authority, No most parents aren't doing their jobs keeping track of their kids. I had my 17 year old son turn himself into the cops for breaking into a school bus, but he knows know it was the right thing to do now. These kids will have enough trouble in the days and months to come, they are not getting a free ride. But as Adults we are not helping the situation by allowing Speculation to run wild. Call me a Tyrant, but all my son had to deal with for breaking and entering is an Aversion Process, the other 3 have all gone back for the original charge, so I feel I have succeeded in getting him on the right path. Call me a super de dooper parent I will go with that.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Wtf?? ()
Date: February 05, 2013 04:41PM

lilswamp Wrote:
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> Whatever happend to innocent until proven guilty?
> People are forgeting that in this County, you do
> have rights - to remain silent and to have an
> attorney. Let a judge or jury determine what
> should happen. No one knows for sure at this
> point if the girls were willing participants.
> They were teenagers. It is not as if the boys
> were sending pictures of six year olds.


This is the court of public OPINION, not a court of LAW. Those rules don't apply here.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Seriously? ()
Date: February 05, 2013 05:29PM

Stop putting pictures of 14-16 year olds on this public forum.

Do you not realize that whoever put that swim team picture up is unnecessarily associating 3 girls with this scandal? All to make one of the kids look like a "pimp" that gets ass. Cool. Cut that shit out now. Even posting names of the boys is fucked up..theyre sophomores for crying out loud. I've counted 2 people be wrongly accused on this forum...ever hear of libel? I can't stop y'all losers who have nothing better to do from talking about this on here but quit name dropping and putting identifiable pictures up.

Move on and let it play out. Bickering on here isn't going to do shit.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: rapper g ()
Date: February 05, 2013 05:49PM

andrew cox was really involved? damn.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: former Irving ()
Date: February 05, 2013 06:06PM

Found them in the yearbook at Irving.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Saddened ()
Date: February 05, 2013 06:18PM

I know the Speer family - nice family - wouldn't associate something like this with them....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: sgfdgfd ()
Date: February 05, 2013 06:23PM

seems like an awful lot of crime at WSHS, I didn't think the food fight was a big deal, and then there was the big party with a stabbing and now this, seems like too much.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: This Actually Happened ()
Date: February 05, 2013 06:25PM

Nobody go near that Fiat parked at the school, it has two decaying greaseball bodies inside!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Biff ()
Date: February 05, 2013 06:40PM

Don't get hung up on whether minor on minor violence/exploitation/whatever should be prosecuted. Morally and legally this would be rape...sorry, alleged rape.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Notta Popo ()
Date: February 05, 2013 06:54PM

EricS Wrote:
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> We know who squealed to the Resource Officer at
> WS. Trust me when I say, when this is over you're
> dead. And I mean dead. You have ruined our lives
> and our futures and you will pay the ultimate
> price! Hope you will still feel it was worth it
> when you are six feet under! Nobody will be able
> to protect you! No matter where you go, we will
> find you!


Wow, making anonymous death threats on Fairfax Underground. You sure have balls. Teeny tiny shriveled ones.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: A Parent ()
Date: February 05, 2013 06:56PM

The girls in that picture are just three girls on the swim team not any of the victims. They had nothing to do with the arrest or the three boys. Whoever posted that picture should take it down immediately since it is sending the wrong impression. This forum is making a bad situation much worse by implying that the girls in the photo had anything to do with this and is incredibly irresponsible.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: AAU? ()
Date: February 05, 2013 06:56PM

If these accusations were against an AAU coach, he would be suspended immediately.

Against a player? Also immediately suspended. But someone will have to bring the names to the attendtion of AAU management. They will do their best to ignore it until that happens.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: chu chi ()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:13PM

"Videotape"? "film"? What century are you from?!?

Andrew M. Wrote:
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> There is absolutely no chance that the girls would
> have been cool with being videotaped. It just
> defies belief.
>
> To surreptitiously film them and then distribute
> the vidoes to your friends in an attemp to impress

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Herb Cohen ()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:19PM

the bitchs Wrote:
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> .... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > http://twicsy.com/i/iQkxfd


Does Eric have a Jew fro?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: gfer ()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:53PM

Randy Spheres Wrote:
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> Or perhaps the parents are too busy driving some
> oversized SUV and thinking how to score an
> oversized McMansion in Great Falls?

Leave Great Falls out of this!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Mrs. E ()
Date: February 05, 2013 08:56PM

Those poor girls. They have to be at that school, facing the embarrassment of being involved in such a scandal. Plus they have to face their perpetrators every day. Why are these boys allowed to be at school? Can't they be sent to an alternative location for juvenile delinquents?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: fcps dad ()
Date: February 05, 2013 09:02PM

Georgia Wrote:
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> How likely is it
> that six teenaged girls were happy and willing to
> be videotaped having sex and having the recordings
> distributed to other people?

You are trying to apply your growing up in the 80's or 90's attitude to kids of today.

My 6th grader is getting assignments to create Facebook and Twitter pages - the schools are pushing the social media on kids at a very young age. Throw in the FLE sessions, which leave absolutely nothing to the imagination. From what they cover in elementary school, I'm pretty sure they'll be covering oral and anal by 8th grade. You should not be surprised by sex tapes by 10th grade - and girls willingly participating shouldn't shock you either.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WSRes ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:01PM

EricS Wrote:
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> We know who squealed to the Resource Officer at
> WS. Trust me when I say, when this is over you're
> dead. And I mean dead. You have ruined our lives
> and our futures and you will pay the ultimate
> price! Hope you will still feel it was worth it
> when you are six feet under! Nobody will be able
> to protect you! No matter where you go, we will
> find you!


If EricS really wrote this, congrats. In addition to the other charges against you, you've now added the illustrious charge of communicating a threat, a Class 6 felony.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: JohnnyLaw ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:24PM

There is a lot more to this case than has been reported here and what has been leaked to media. The boys' families have hired attorney's and are not talking. Some of the victims have stated that they knew about the taping before it happened and willingly participated. The VA Law previously cited applies in this case and will have dire consequences to the boys involed, and possibly to some of the victims as well.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: TGBWC ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:34PM

fcps dad Wrote:
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> Georgia Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How likely is it
> > that six teenaged girls were happy and willing
> to
> > be videotaped having sex and having the
> recordings
> > distributed to other people?
>
> You are trying to apply your growing up in the
> 80's or 90's attitude to kids of today.
>
> My 6th grader is getting assignments to create
> Facebook and Twitter pages - the schools are
> pushing the social media on kids at a very young
> age. Throw in the FLE sessions, which leave
> absolutely nothing to the imagination. From what
> they cover in elementary school, I'm pretty sure
> they'll be covering oral and anal by 8th grade.
> You should not be surprised by sex tapes by 10th
> grade - and girls willingly participating
> shouldn't shock you either.

Aren't people supposed to be at least 13 to have a Facebook page?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: ?? ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:36PM

View the new article at Washingtonpost.com

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: EliteAndBeyond ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:42PM

You are actually clueless, i play sports with 2 of them and i know for a fact that wasnt even close to what happened. Good try though

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Bang13 ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:45PM

I wish you all would stop being so fcking ignorant about this whole situation. There were no drugs involved in this ordeal. The girls willingly drank and had sex the the boys. However, they were not aware that they were being filmed. This situation happen long ago and the only reason it had resurfaced is because one of the girls current boyfriend asked her to press charges. THEY WILLINGLY DRANK AND WILLINGLY HAD SEX. It'a not rape if it is consensual. No one forced the alcohol into their mouths or forced them into bed. Like that one bitch Hannah Montana says: everybody makes mistakes, everybody has those days. The past is the past. Grow the fuck up. There are kids who are really being raped and molested at this very moment and you're worried about 3 NOVA kids who got it in with a few easy girls. Congrats.

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Posted by: Use Tor, Prevent Trouble ()
Date: February 05, 2013 10:58PM

WSRes Wrote:
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> EricS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We know who squealed to the Resource Officer at
> > WS. Trust me when I say, when this is over
> you're
> > dead. And I mean dead. You have ruined our
> lives
> > and our futures and you will pay the ultimate
> > price! Hope you will still feel it was worth
> it
> > when you are six feet under! Nobody will be
> able
> > to protect you! No matter where you go, we
> will
> > find you!
>
>
> If EricS really wrote this, congrats. In addition
> to the other charges against you, you've now added
> the illustrious charge of communicating a threat,
> a Class 6 felony.

There is no way Eric posted this. It is simply an anonymous troll, looking to stir up the pot a little more.

Hopefully, he remembered to use the Tor Browser bundle while he was doing it so that the cops hit a dead end when they try and trace his IP address. Otherwise, he's going to get a fun visit some evening soon from Fairfax's finest.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: LB ()
Date: February 06, 2013 01:31AM

Silly me, here I was thinking Caleb Henderson screwed up bad with his DUI a little down the street.

These guys take the cake.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 06, 2013 01:32AM

Bang13 Wrote:
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> I wish you all would stop being so fcking ignorant
> about this whole situation. There were no drugs
> involved in this ordeal. The girls willingly drank
> and had sex the the boys. However, they were not
> aware that they were being filmed. This situation
> happen long ago and the only reason it had
> resurfaced is because one of the girls current
> boyfriend asked her to press charges. THEY
> WILLINGLY DRANK AND WILLINGLY HAD SEX. It'a not
> rape if it is consensual. No one forced the
> alcohol into their mouths or forced them into bed.
> Like that one bitch Hannah Montana says: everybody
> makes mistakes, everybody has those days. The past
> is the past. Grow the fuck up. There are kids who
> are really being raped and molested at this very
> moment and you're worried about 3 NOVA kids who
> got it in with a few easy girls. Congrats.

+1

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: skankster ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:13AM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: WSHS Jockocracy ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:58AM

skankster Wrote:
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> FFXU mentioned in WaPo
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sex-video
> s-dont-warrant-criminal-charges-defense-attorneys-
> say/2013/02/05/933a7f9a-6fc4-11e2-8b8d-e0b59a1b8e2
> a_story.html

"Although the lawyer, Rodney G. Leffler, acknowledged that the behavior was stupid and hurtful, he argued that they do not warrant the criminal charges that have been filed."

Of course Leffler's gonna spew this line of bullshit, because he's being well-paid to do so. He's playing the same tune they always play when middle-class white kids get themselves in a fuckton of trouble in Fairfax county: "They're really good kids. We don't want to ruin their lives over this one incident."

The problem is, it isn't just one incident. Larry, Moe and Curly did this shit over eleven months to no fewer than six girls from three different schools and made a total of at least ten videos.

That doesn't sound like "Oops, I fucked up just this once."

It sounds like a prolonged pattern of criminal behavior over an extended period of time by a gang of thuggish punks who thought they could do whatever the fuck they wanted because they were members of West Springfield High School's jockocracy.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Mandingo ()
Date: February 06, 2013 07:49AM

Anyone have a link to the vids?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: duhhhhhh ()
Date: February 06, 2013 09:54AM

Just a note for everyone attempting to give these boys a free pass on their activities by claiming the girls were willing participants:

In the Commonwealth of Virginia there is a minimum age set for when someone can consensually agree to having sex.

It doesn't matter if the victim has had sex 500 other times. It doesn't matter if the victims drove themselves to the house. It doesn't matter if the victims said "yes, please have sex with me, videotape it and then freely pass that videotape around school". None of that matters. If even one of those victims is under the age of consent in Virginia, these guys are fucked.

Guys: This is a life lesson in how your poor decisions, particularly in regards to how you interact with women, will turn around and fuck your whole life up.

Even if you don't do something criminal or immoral, be careful about what you allow yourself to get caught up in. Do not allow yourselves to be put in a position where your actions can be misconstrued, exagerrated or questioned because it will come back to bite you in the ass eventually.

You need to be a gentleman to every woman or girl you encounter, at all times, always, no matter what. First off, it's the right thing to do. Secondly, if you don't and you are consistently dickish to the women in your life, eventually it's going to get you locked up. You might not even get locked up for the REALLY dickish things you do, and might end up getting locked up over a fake story laid out by some girl just trying to get back at you for some other dickish move you did. It doesn't matter. Eventually it will get you.

Just a warning. Take it for what it's worth.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 06, 2013 10:00AM

That age of consent in Va is 15.....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: No Shit Sherlock ()
Date: February 06, 2013 10:06AM

Sounds to me like their brilliant lawyers essentially admitted that their clients clearly broke the law. The law is very clear. Creating nude images of anyone under the age of 18 is illegal. Showing those images or sharing them with mothers is distribution, which is also illegal.

These three asshats aren't "victims" as their asshat lawyers claim. As confirmed by their asshat lawyers, they made the same stupid decison at least 10 times over a period of 11 months. Good luck convincing a judge in juvenile court that this is nothing more than "kids being kids."

The law is very clear and these three asshats broke the law. Hopefully the parents of all teenagers will take this opportunity to make their kids aware of this so their kids don't make the same stupid decisions that these three asshats made.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: duhhhhhh ()
Date: February 06, 2013 10:20AM

None* Wrote:
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> That age of consent in Va is 15.....

I don't know about that, it sounds like the 15 thing is only in specific instances where both partners are between 15 and 17:

The age of consent in Virginia is 18, with a close in age exception that allows teenagers aged 15 to 17 to engage in sexual acts but only with a partner younger than 18. However, the legislation is not clear-cut, and the details are discussed below:

Any penetrative sexual act other than penile-vaginal intercourse is defined in Virginia law as 'sodomy.' Section 18.2-361 of the Code of Virginia entitled "Crimes against nature" states in part;

"If any person carnally knows in any manner any brute animal, or carnally knows any male or female person by the anus or by or with the mouth, or voluntarily submits to such carnal knowledge, he or she shall be guilty of ... felony..."

In addition, any sexual intercourse outside marriage is defined in Virginia law as 'fornication.' Section 18.2-344 of the Code of Virginia entitled "Crimes against nature" states;

"Any person, not being married, who voluntarily shall have sexual intercourse with any other person, shall be guilty of fornication, punishable as a Class 4 misdemeanor."

The courts of Virginia have ruled that these statutes are not invalid under the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Lawrence v. Texas since that case only applied to adults, and the age of majority in Virginia is 18. This means that those 18 and above involved in consensual activity in private may have a defense in court, but those under 18 do not.

Section § 18.2-63 of the Code refers to minors younger than 15, while § 18.2-371 is about 15-, 16- and 17-year-olds.

Section 18.2-63 states in part:

"If any person carnally knows, without the use of force, a child thirteen years of age or older but under fifteen years of age, such person shall be guilty of ... felony ... For the purposes of this section, (i) a child under the age of thirteen years shall not be considered a consenting child and (ii) "carnal knowledge" includes the acts of sexual intercourse, cunnilingus, fellatio, analingus, anal intercourse, and animate and inanimate object sexual penetration."

Consensual sex where one partner is 15, 16 or 17 and the other is over 18 is a class 1 misdemeanor.

§ 18.2-371. Causing or encouraging acts rendering children delinquent, abused, etc.; penalty; abandoned infant. Any person 18 years of age or older, including the parent of any child, who (i) willfully contributes to, encourages, or causes any act, omission, or condition which renders a child delinquent, in need of services, in need of supervision, or abused or neglected as defined in § 16.1-228, or (ii) engages in consensual sexual intercourse with a child 15 or older not his spouse, child, or grandchild, shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.'


However, and this goes back to my part about being a dick somehow coming back to bite you.... recording these girls and distributing it is a dick move, period. It's depraved. It shows callous disregard for others.

Even if the boys were 17 and the girls were 15/16 and THAT aspect of things was legit, there's a whole series of other crimes they can be charged with regardless of consent. Essentially, the act of having sex may not fall under statutory rape, but in the end, they are still going to get fucked royally for being dicks to these girls.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: for comparison ()
Date: February 06, 2013 10:32AM

A year ago five kids from Lee/Hayfield were arrested for child sex trafficing. Granted they were 23-25 but the law went after them hard. Some got 15 year prison sentences.

One of the boys simply drove the girls to locations where they had sex---he received NO MONEY. And he got 10 years.

I predict that these kids are going to be made examples for all the kiddies in FCPS land. Cops are sick of the sexting and they will use this to send a message.

These kids are screwed.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Whos this ()
Date: February 06, 2013 10:40AM

WHile I have the communities attention, back in July a kid from either Irving, WSHS or LBSS broke into 16 cars in West Springfield. if anyone recognizes him call FCPD. at around 1:25 am in the video may be a cleaner shot. The police have the video but as far as we know no one was identified. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE2KoSHeIJs
Attachments:
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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 06, 2013 10:41AM

The age of consent in Va is 15 when referring to rape or not....

What that means is, if a consenting female 15 or older wants to have sex with an adult (18 or older) and does so willingly, the only thing the adult can be charged with is contributing to the delinquency of a minor (misdemeanor) but not rape (Felony).

There are varying degrees of penalties on sex with ages 13-15 and if the offender is 3 years or older.....etc...etc....you would need a lawyer to sort out that shit, but consenting 15 or older is a misd.

Sex with 12 or younger is rape regardless of any consent or anything else.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: judicial square ()
Date: February 06, 2013 10:42AM

I had to laugh at the Washington Post article this morning, especially the attorney part. Attorneys will cry if their client gets tried by the media but on the flip side will use the media to gain sympathy for their guilty party. Some of the higher priced attorneys are pretty good at getting their clients off but most of it is overpriced hand holding and their publicity moves make their employer think they are working their ass for them. I agree with the above poster. Unless they get one one the lamer liberal judges, these kids are going to be poster children for a large and spreading epedemic .

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Attorneys for Def's ()
Date: February 06, 2013 12:28PM

Interesting fact - defense attorney was lawer for defendents in sniper cases, and has a daughter at Lake Braddock. Wonder if he is thinking of her as he defends these 3 who like to hook up, video, and share with everyone what they did with girls close to his daughters age, with at least one of the females coming from Lake Braddock according to the Washington Post article.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Former WSHS student-athlete ()
Date: February 06, 2013 12:53PM

I think it's comical that most of the parents posting on this forum are calling for the kids, and I repeat KIDS, to be charged to the maximum sentences and some wackos are even calling for their execution. Which is disgusting that you would call for 3 teenage kids executions based off of the accusations that people are carelessly throwing around. And if this happened to one of your kids I guarantee you would be upset, embarrassed and worried that they might have ruined their chance at a bright future. There is a reason we live in the United States where the basis of our legal system is "innocent until proven guilty". And last time I checked the investigation and trial is still ongoing, which means for you half-wit self proclaimed know-it-alls, that they haven't been proven guilty and they are facing charges based on allegations of sex exploitation.
Also, I don't understand why people are jumping to the conclusion that these boys raped the girls because they were both intoxicated by alcohol. Their is a reason the police did not arrest and charge them with rape, and also, why the victims are not pressing charges for rape. Now for all of you woman posting on the site about how they were exploited when they were drunk I have a question. Unless you've never drank and never experienced college than this doesn't pertain to you. So all of you woman have never willingly drank alcohol at a party or with friends and hooked up with a guy who also was drinking? I seriously doubt it, so stop with the accusations that these boys drugged them. I'm in college and I know what ruffies and other drugs do to people, it's not a pretty sight, they are pretty much lifeless. And if their was video evidence of the guys having sex with passed out girls than they would've been charged with rape as well. And if they were passed out on alcohol the police would be able to tell in the videos.
And by no means am I saying what they allegedly did is alright and acceptable. If what these boys did is proven to be true, than yes they should be charged with the appropriate sentences. By no means is it ok to video tape a girl and exploit her by soliciting it to people.

Now with all that being said it disgusts me that all these people are posting on here about how terrible the students, staff, parents and community are at West Springfield. Sure their are going to be the kids who get involved in drugs and associate with the wrong people in high school. News flash that happens everywhere. But to call West Springfield a bunch of degenerates and low life's is ignorant. Just look at the statistics of students graduating, getting AP honors, receiving scholarships, etc. You'd shut your mouth real quick. And that goes for all the high schools in Fairfax County and their prestige. Their is a reason it is the best public school county in America. And to label a school and community as terrible because of 3 kids getting arrested is laughable. The west springfield community is great.
And it's sad to see the good spartan students, the school, the spartan baseball and football programs be dragged in the mud because of this.

PS: They were not phenomenal athletes

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Hey former student ()
Date: February 06, 2013 01:03PM

Off subject, but did you pass English at WSHS? You failed to learn "there" and "their" and "they're".

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: to Former WSHS student-athlete ()
Date: February 06, 2013 01:03PM

Your post is so full of grammatical and spelling errors that I am now more worried than ever about that school. Yeesh.

The plural for woman is women. The past tense for drink is drunk (not drank) and the words "there" "they're" and "their" are not interchangeable.

So back to class, please.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Meade's Hillbilly Cousin ()
Date: February 06, 2013 01:35PM

I am confused. The Washington Post quotes the lawyers as saying

“The police investigation in this case was launched based on information provided by a third-party juvenile who admitted to providing completely fabricated information based on a personal agenda,” the attorneys said in the statement. “That juvenile has provided to the police a statement establishing that fact.”

So the student reported WHAT to the school, and then the school reported it to the police, who eventually found these recordings....?

So the student LIED to the school and while the cops were investigating THAT lie found the recordings?

I am running several scenarios through my head to try and figure this out. Nothing jives with what the lawyer is babbling about.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Hoping ()
Date: February 06, 2013 02:01PM

It is odd to me that so many folks seem surprised by interest this news story has generated. I have to assume that it is the young posters who don't see the big deal, for the most part. One day, a good number of them will grow up and have a daughter. They will love that daughter totally and completely. The day will come when the daughter puts on tight fitting clothes and makeup and heads off to high school, possibly hoping that the cool kids will at least notice her. And it is on that day that these young posters will understand why this case is wrenching to some of the rest of us ... we really don't care about whether it was consensual or not. The fact is that no one wants their daughter treated with this level of disrespect no matter what roll she might have played. Yes, it is a double standard. You will one day understand better than you appear to today.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: letsbeserious ()
Date: February 06, 2013 03:08PM

Can someone just put up the videos.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Juicy J ()
Date: February 06, 2013 03:14PM

shout out to da freshmen on instagram straight flexinnn shout out to da spartans straight being a FAGG0T hahahhaahhahahaha

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: stui ()
Date: February 06, 2013 03:19PM

Are these kids being tried as adults? That would be a harsh change from sweet high school pussy to big black nigger dick and asshole. I hope they have lawyers.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Meade's Hillbilly Cousin ()
Date: February 06, 2013 04:03PM

letsbeserious Wrote:
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> Can someone just put up the videos.


There are much cooler ways to wind up in jail, if you want to so much.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: we need your sons ()
Date: February 06, 2013 04:41PM

The LD kids that were attacked are not returning to the school. They have told their parents they don't feel safe at West Springfield High. Their lawyer instructed them not to return. The school has not officially cancelled the senior class activities and this has really pissed off the LD parents. It is sad that the administration and principal is so weak. They thought the threat of cancelling would be enough. They are to afraid of the parents (who bitch about an $100 athletic fee then spend a thousand dollars or more on limos, dinners and class trip/party). The principal has NO BALLS! These selfish punks (students if you want to call them students) were all boys who attacked the LD kids.

If it were me I would get these punks shave their heads and have them picking cigarette butts and trash around the school parking lot.

My kids are home schooled. My seventeen and fifteen year old are going up to West Springfield all this week looking for any of these punks who want to give them some lip so they can try out some of their gold glove training. And I encourage it!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To we need your sons ()
Date: February 06, 2013 04:48PM

What in the hell are you talking about?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Jack Daler ()
Date: February 06, 2013 05:21PM

New principal of WSHS has absolutely no control of school. This position is above his paygrade, brain capacity, and emotional fortitude. Back to the gym, Mr. Monkeybars.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: cliff Hux. ()
Date: February 06, 2013 05:35PM

I think the principal is distracted with hiring a new football coach. Give him some space please.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: evidence lacking?? ()
Date: February 06, 2013 05:37PM

Dumbest post by far.

THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO. REPEAT.

THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO.

No doubt that child porn was produced and distributed. REPEAT.

NO DOUBT.

These kids sang like a canary when the PD showed up at the school.

Rarely do three kids share responsibility in these ugly incidents.

Who was the alpha male of the trio?

The other two will roll over on him-if they haven't already.

Friendships don't survive these events---time to fight for that last lifeboat, fellas. Save yourselves.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Every Man for Himself ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:03PM

evidence lacking?? Wrote:
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> Dumbest post by far.
>
> THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO. REPEAT.
>
> THEY HAVE IT ON VIDEO.
>
> No doubt that child porn was produced and
> distributed. REPEAT.
>
> NO DOUBT.
>
> These kids sang like a canary when the PD showed
> up at the school.
>
> Rarely do three kids share responsibility in these
> ugly incidents.
>
> Who was the alpha male of the trio?
>
> The other two will roll over on him-if they
> haven't already.
>
> Friendships don't survive these events---time to
> fight for that last lifeboat, fellas. Save
> yourselves.

Exactly right. This is a major situation and the boys' parents and attorneys are probably encouraging them to turn on their friends. When shit hits the fan as hard as it has in this situation it really is every man for himself. Friendship is great and all, but when it comes between your entire future or a couple of scumbag buddies the choice is not very difficult. Really wouldnt be surprised if two of them completely turn on the other one (the one with the most videos) and let him take most of the fall for this. There's no way out for any of them but at this point you really just need to be selfish and do what is legally best for yourself.

I feel for the girls involved because they will be known for the rest of their high shool careers as "those girls", "whores/sluts", etc. as difficult a time as adolescence already is for young women this is very sad for them even if they made a grave mistake trusting these boys. We all make mistakes girls, it doesn't mean you are a bad person even if other people your age will try to make you feel like that. All the best and hope all works out for you all.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Get a Life people ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:16PM

Come on peeps, this is called Hysteria. In Virginia, if there is evidence of a crime commited against a male or Female, the state can go ahead with Prosocuting the case, they DO NOT NEED anyone to complain, Obviously they have what they need to proceed. They will NOT TALK about the case not only because of all the kids are Minors, but they cannot contaminate the case. This Bull Crap is a Primary reason why. I would start asking questions of the parents Why do they not know what their children are doing. as for the rest, let the courts play it out.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Get a Life people ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:18PM

According to my son who goes there, one of the Girls has her Porn Name picked out already.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Porn Future ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:20PM

Oral Diamond is a good porn name.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: My life defined ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:22PM

Get a life yourself, pal.

My life is devoted---- to keeping my neighborhood, school, community and kids safe from scum like this.

Nothing I can do about the secrecy given the juvenile status, but WSHS needs to step up and CONDEMN THIS BEHAVIOR.

If they don't an ugly stain will remain on this school.

Silence is harmful--just study The Holocaust.

*************************************************

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Rick Ross ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:32PM

Names revealed. Porn name generator. Get yours right here.

http://pr0nname.com/

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Get a Life people ()
Date: February 06, 2013 06:41PM

My life defined

Tell you what go to the Virginia State police Web Site and start cut and pasting that info on here, see who really lives next door to you. But last I heard it was still America, even though its dying a dreadful death and people are guilty until proven innocent like you assume!!!!!! as for the school, it should be bulldozed, but recently I cannot say I approve of any FXCO school, I am just holding out 3 years to retire and move the F out of dodge...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Article "disappeared" in WaPost ()
Date: February 06, 2013 08:02PM

Today's online Washington Post article featuring the attorneys has disappeared from the Washington Post website. Maybe the attorneys realized they were not rallying the sympathy they were hoping for?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: shutup ()
Date: February 06, 2013 08:10PM

duhhhhhh Wrote:
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> Just a note for everyone attempting to give these
> boys a free pass on their activities by claiming
> the girls were willing participants:
>
> In the Commonwealth of Virginia there is a minimum
> age set for when someone can consensually agree to
> having sex.
>
> It doesn't matter if the victim has had sex 500
> other times. It doesn't matter if the victims
> drove themselves to the house. It doesn't matter
> if the victims said "yes, please have sex with me,
> videotape it and then freely pass that videotape
> around school". None of that matters. If even one
> of those victims is under the age of consent in
> Virginia, these guys are fucked.
>
> Guys: This is a life lesson in how your poor
> decisions, particularly in regards to how you
> interact with women, will turn around and fuck
> your whole life up.
>
> Even if you don't do something criminal or
> immoral, be careful about what you allow yourself
> to get caught up in. Do not allow yourselves to be
> put in a position where your actions can be
> misconstrued, exagerrated or questioned because it
> will come back to bite you in the ass eventually.
>
>
> You need to be a gentleman to every woman or girl
> you encounter, at all times, always, no matter
> what. First off, it's the right thing to do.
> Secondly, if you don't and you are consistently
> dickish to the women in your life, eventually it's
> going to get you locked up. You might not even get
> locked up for the REALLY dickish things you do,
> and might end up getting locked up over a fake
> story laid out by some girl just trying to get
> back at you for some other dickish move you did.
> It doesn't matter. Eventually it will get you.
>
> Just a warning. Take it for what it's worth.

shut up bitch

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Robbie lowe ()
Date: February 06, 2013 09:10PM

Lowe did this thirty years ago.
People on the Veronica mars show did this.

It is nothing new.

Shame on these boys
>
> "The students allegedly drugged the girls, had sex
> with them, videotaped the entire episode and then
> distributed the tapes."
>
>
>
>
>
> Pretty epic. These kids will be legandary at West
> Springfield for years to come. I bet those girls
> will be attending one of the local private schools
> for the remainder of their high school years.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: You're Wrong! EX WSHS Student ()
Date: February 06, 2013 09:19PM

Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: EX WSHS Student ()
Date: February 01, 2013 09:07PM
The reason the 3 kids did not get suspended or expelled from school is because they didn't do anything illegal inside school. The school should not have any jurisdiction over this becase it simply doesn't involve the school.

YOU are so wrong! The school does have jurisdiction whether you are in or outside of school! Read the FCPS regulations.....Now that they have been "charged" the school will take the appropriate action :)

Section 2000
Title Removal (Suspension, Expulsion, or Exclusion) of Students From School
Number 2610
Status Active
Legal Code of Virginia, Sections 16.1-260, 16.1-301, 16.1-305.1,18.2-56, 18.2-371.2, 22.1-277, 22.1-279.3:1, 22.1-280.4
Last Revised
August 1, 2012
Students may also be disciplined for acts committed away from school property and outside school hours if the conduct is detrimental to the interest of the school or adversely affects school discipline or if the conduct results in a criminal charge or conviction.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Correction ()
Date: February 06, 2013 10:17PM

"Posted by: Article "disappeared" in WaPost ()
Date: February 06, 2013 08:02PM

Today's online Washington Post article featuring the attorneys has disappeared from the Washington Post website. Maybe the attorneys realized they were not rallying the sympathy they were hoping for?"

Just because you don't know how to find an article, doesn't mean it has "disappeared:, Try this genius:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sex-videos-dont-warrant-criminal-charges-defense-attorneys-say/2013/02/05/933a7f9a-6fc4-11e2-8b8d-e0b59a1b8e2a_story.html

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Two Sides to Every Story ()
Date: February 06, 2013 11:27PM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Wowsa ()
Date: February 06, 2013 11:44PM

Two Sides to Every Story Wrote:
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> http://www.wusa9.com/rss/article/241983/158/New-Allegations-In-Child-Porn-Teen-Sex-Videos-Case-

Summarized:

"I don't think the girls are victims any more than the boys are victims. They should've avoided this conduct," said Defense Attorney Lefffler, who is representing a boy who was 14 at the time of the alleged crimes.

Leffler has seen the 10 videos and says some are as short as 10 seconds and as long as 3 minutes. They involve sexual combinations of the three boys and six girls who are all high school students at either West Springfield or Robinson and Lake Braddock Secondary Schools. Leffler says the videos were all taken on one boy's cell phones over the course of the past year.

Leffler says the boys only shared videos with each other.

Mark Petrovich and Gretchen Taylor, separate counsel for the other two charged boys, the 16 years old, released this statement:

On behalf of our clients, who are also victims in this case... The allegation of child pornography remains disputed, and our clients have pleaded not guilty.

WUSA9 spoke with Commonwealth's Attorney Ray Morrogh on Wednesday and asked him whether the girls could also be charged with child porn if they knew that they were being recorded.

He said he could not comment on the details of the case but stood by the charges and said the victims, the girls in this case, will not be charged.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: speedos 4 u ()
Date: February 07, 2013 12:06AM

Kid looks like Lyle Menendez.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Russian Roulette ()
Date: February 07, 2013 12:09AM

"Leffler says the videos were all taken on one boy's cell phones over the course of the past year.

That kid is fucked. Whichever one of the 3 it is, is royally screwed. As has been pointed out in earlier posts, it won't take long for the other 2 to turn on their once good friend to try to save their own asses. Being on these videos is completely different than recording/possessing them. All are going to be in a decent amount of trouble but whoever's cell phone it was is going to take the bull by the horns.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Calm down ()
Date: February 07, 2013 06:47AM

Correction Wrote:
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> "Posted by: Article "disappeared" in WaPost ()
> Date: February 06, 2013 08:02PM
>
> Today's online Washington Post article featuring
> the attorneys has disappeared from the Washington
> Post website. Maybe the attorneys realized they
> were not rallying the sympathy they were hoping
> for?"
>
> Just because you don't know how to find an
> article, doesn't mean it has "disappeared:, Try
> this genius:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sex-video
> s-dont-warrant-criminal-charges-defense-attorneys-
> say/2013/02/05/933a7f9a-6fc4-11e2-8b8d-e0b59a1b8e2
> a_story.html

Calm down and take your medication. The main page no longer has any mention of the article, and when I searched on google with the key words, it did not come up at that time. Sheesh. You must be a real joy to live with.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:08AM

If David Gregory had held up the pornographik video on Meet The Press there would not have been an arrest.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: girls ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:34AM

Probably the girls' parents are lawyering up to sue the boys' parents.

And to those who shriek: "Don't talk about it!" People know stuff like this gets discussed online. If they did not want it to be talked about, they should not have made the videos or left any trail.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To girls ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:03AM

Sure it will be discussed, and there is nothing wrong with that because this type of thing brings up the outstanding issues with teens today. But people shouldn't make wild assumptions before the facts come out because it can paint the wrong picture for both parties involved. People were calling the boys Rapists and the girls sluts and whores before any facts came out.

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West Springfield
Posted by: Kris ()
Date: February 07, 2013 09:01AM

I will admit (new to WS) that I had much higher expectations BUT these generalizations about a school and the students are ridiculous. Just because some idiots make the news doesn't make all the students idiots. There are some great kids there. You smell a lot more weed in the halls at South County, an "affluent" school, even seeing them pass stuff in the hall. There are thugs everywhere and crappy parents everywhere. The lack of parenting is the biggest problem but there are quite a few other Fairfax schools that are just as bad. South County falsifies its statistics, placing kids in high level classes and then throwing away their grades when they don't do well. The administration at West Springfield is 100% better than South County and it is supposed to be great. Maybe it's just Fairfax.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Anon25 ()
Date: February 07, 2013 09:45AM

Who are the "LD" kids and what is that all about?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: spartanjoke ()
Date: February 07, 2013 09:55AM

The post regarding the principal having no control over the sshool is the most clear, thought out post on this thread. Hard to imagine the school getting one worse than the last one but they did it. His reaction to this incident was pathetic. And his inability to find a football coach tells one volumes about WS. I guess him and his DSS sidekick cannot beg anyone enough to come in and clean up the DSS's mess.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: some comments ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:07AM

If this idiot of an attorney thinks this argument will go over well in court, then GOOK LUCK to you. Parents---hear me very clearly--hire another attorney IMMEDIATELY.



> "I don't think the girls are victims any more than
> the boys are victims. They should've avoided this
> conduct," said Defense Attorney Lefffler, who is
> representing a boy who was 14 at the time of the
> alleged crimes.
*****************************************************

Idiotic statment number two. Seriously? Just the three boys saw it and nobody else?????? I can't wait until a dozen boys at WSHS offer testimony contradicting this statement.


> Leffler says the boys only shared videos with each
> other.
***********************************************************

And the fight for the lifeboats begins. No irony lost on the fact that these two families are sharing an attorney.No judge is going to view any of these boys as victims, so they better knock that crap off.

> Mark Petrovich and Gretchen Taylor, separate
> counsel for the other two charged boys, the 16
> years old, released this statement:
>
> On behalf of our clients, who are also victims in
> this case... The allegation of child pornography
> remains disputed, and our clients have pleaded not
> guilty.

************************************************************
At least the prosecutor has the sense not to charge the girls...good lord, why would that be even considered????



> He said he could not comment on the details of the
> case but stood by the charges and said the
> victims, the girls in this case, will not be
> charged.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Bang! ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:19AM

Russian Roulette Wrote:
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> "Leffler says the videos were all taken on one
> boy's cell phones over the course of the past
> year.
>
> That kid is fucked. Whichever one of the 3 it is,
> is royally screwed. As has been pointed out in
> earlier posts, it won't take long for the other 2
> to turn on their once good friend to try to save
> their own asses. Being on these videos is
> completely different than recording/possessing
> them. All are going to be in a decent amount of
> trouble but whoever's cell phone it was is going
> to take the bull by the horns.

I agree that the kid who did the filming is royally screwed. You, however, should brush up on the meaning of the expression "take the bull by the horns".

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Black Ops ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:24AM

Greenfelder = Dunce in an empty suit. Walks around clueless. His statements and emails must be prepared by staff because the man is illiterate.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Rodney G Leffler ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:48AM

Prominent Fairfax lawyer and former prosecutor Rodney G. Leffler recently found himself a target of the new law. A Fairfax man attempted to get a protective order against the lawyer after the man claimed that they had a run-in over a civil case at Leffler’s office in October, according to court records.

The man, who did not return a call for comment, claimed that Leffler said he was going to throw him out of his office and yelled, “I never want to see you again!” The court did not grant the protective order, and Leffler, who said he was unaware of the request until The Post contacted him, was dismayed.

He called it an abuse of the system.

“To me, what’s interesting, like so many things, we’ve overreacted and now anyone can come in there and apply for a [protective order],” Leffler said.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: specializing in child porn ()
Date: February 07, 2013 10:54AM

N.Va. Priest Charged in Child Porn Probe

By Karin Brulliard
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 16, 2005; Page B03

A longtime Catholic priest in Leesburg and other Northern Virginia communities has been indicted by a Loudoun County grand jury on a charge of possession of child pornography, which resulted from a worldwide crackdown, officials said yesterday.

The Rev. Robert C. Brooks, 72, who led St. John the Apostle in Leesburg for 14 years, registered with a child pornography Web site in 2003, attracting the attention of federal investigators, authorities said. Brooks stepped down in October after Loudoun officials told the Diocese of Arlington that they intended to charge him, authorities said.


Brooks's telephone has been disconnected. His attorney, Rodney G. Leffler, did not respond to calls seeking comment.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: defended the Paul VI nut too ()
Date: February 07, 2013 11:05AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-02/10/199l-021000-idx.html
By Tom Jackman/Washington Post Staff Writer

When Jonathan T. Spielberg decided he wanted to attend Paul VI High School full
time, he went to a nearby Kinko's Copies store, typed a bogus three-page report
card and gave himself A's in everything from organic chemistry to U.S.
government. He then submitted the "transcript" to the school, he later told
police.

He also told a police detective he is 27 years old, not the 14-year-old
freshman he had pretended to be in 1998.

The first clues as to how Spielberg fooled the private Fairfax City school into
believing he was the teenage nephew of filmmaker Steven Spielberg emerged
yesterday during a preliminary court hearing in Fairfax County. Jonathan
Spielberg, who legally changed his name from Anoushirvan D. Fakhran in 1997,
did not testify, but school officials and Fairfax City police Detective Michael
Boone did, explaining the chain of events that led to Spielberg's arrest on
fraud and forgery charges.

Chief District Court Judge Richard T. Horan threw out one forgery charge. Boone
testified that Spielberg admitted he has no relative named Spielberg, contrary
to what he wrote in his name-change petition, but Spielberg's lawyer
successfully argued that the information was not required by law and thus the
claim was irrelevant.

However, Horan found there was probable cause to believe Spielberg defrauded
Paul VI. Evidence on a child pornography charge will be heard later.

Spielberg and his lawyer, Rodney G. Leffler, declined to comment yesterday.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: BREAKING NEWS xase DROPED ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:27PM

THE CASE IS DROPPED. THE GIRLS ALLL SAID THEY WANTED TO HAVE SEX. THANKS YOU HAVE A NICE DAY MOVE ON NOW

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: frank ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:40PM

Always amusing to see how people chime in with "They are just being teens" and "They are good kids who made bad choices." Okay. So only poor black kids from Prince George's County or DC should have to face the consequences of their actions! Not the upper middle class white kids from Fairfax County!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: boys will be boys ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:43PM

frank Wrote:
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> Always amusing to see how people chime in with
> "They are just being teens" and "They are good
> kids who made bad choices." Okay. So only poor
> black kids from Prince George's County or DC
> should have to face the consequences of their
> actions! Not the upper middle class white kids
> from Fairfax County!


JUST BECAUSE YOUR A VIRGIN DOESN'T MEAN EVERYONE ELSE IS A VIRGIN. BOYS WILL BE BOYS. THE GIRLS WANTED TO HAVE SEX THEY WANTED MORE THAN THE GUYS

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: POST ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:47PM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: washington post ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:48PM

lthough the lawyer, Rodney G. Leffler, acknowledged that the behavior was stupid and hurtful, he argued that they do not warrant the criminal charges that have been filed. Two 16-year-olds and one 15-year-old have been charged as part of a widening sex scandal at the Fairfax County school.

The girls in the videos all eventually learned they were being filmed, and one is seen topless, speaking directly into the camera in one video, the lawyer said. After the fact, the three students traded the clips among themselves, but they never distributed them widely, he said.

“It’s an unfortunate mix of teenage libido, alcohol and video. It’s nothing more than that,” Leffler said.

Experts called the case a cautionary tale. Teenagers regularly use technology and are becoming increasingly comfortable sharing even the most intimate details of their lives on social media such as Instagram and Twitter. When mixed with alcohol and parties, the experts said, the teens often engage in damaging behavior.

Defense attorneys for the three teens gave their first accounts Tuesday of the case, which they say has been blown out of proportion by rampant rumors in the popular online forum Fairfax Underground and by some local news outlets that have echoed salacious gossip. All say their clients have pleaded not guilty in the case.

Attorneys Mark Petrovich and Gretchen Taylor went so far as to call their two clients “victims” of a hothouse media atmosphere. Leffler declined to sign onto the statement they released.

Leffler said the 10 videos at the heart of the case were shot over 11 months beginning in December 2011. The teens made the videos at house parties at their parents’ homes and at the homes of the teenage girls. One video was made in a car in a parking lot, he said.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: None ()
Date: February 07, 2013 01:51PM

Hey buddy stop worrying about grammar and focus on what he has to say.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Washington Post reader ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:00PM

The attorney's statement claims "they Never distributed them widely". Is there a difference in a little bit of porn distribution or a lot? How long until one of them gets mad at the others, or shows an individual and it ends up a "WIDE distribution". These kids are lucky it didn't go "WIDE".

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:14PM

I don't think it is the decline of the DC Metro area, personally I think it is the decline of society. Parents who infantize their children and refuse to discipline then and act like their kids lawyers and friends instead of their parents. Then they turn to the school and say you were supposed to raise my kids for me. What worthless pieces of trash.


SpartanBBMom Wrote:
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> I'm going to have to agree with the decline of the
> WS area. When we moved to the DC Metro area from
> the west coast, with a short stint in New Jersey,
> WS was a great area to raise a family. Not so,
> now. I have a son at WSHS, as well as, a son just
> starting HVES. Gotta say - Yuck! The teachers
> are terrible. I believe it has to do with the
> 'new' generation of young teachers that just don't
> have the patience. The kids seem to have ADDHD at
> all levels. The PTA, talk about clique! If
> you're not in the 'know', they regard you as
> trash. Once my son graduates HS, we'll probably
> look to relocate elsewhere. Maybe somewhere
> farther west of VA.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:18PM

I agree they should be held accountable. However I have also heard the parents in PG county and DC white tooth and nail to get their kids to not be held accountable. That is the problem no one wants their kids accountable. But I have to agree that if a bunch of black kids robbed the house of the parents of these little sexual predators they would completely want the kids arrested and charged.

frank Wrote:
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> Always amusing to see how people chime in with
> "They are just being teens" and "They are good
> kids who made bad choices." Okay. So only poor
> black kids from Prince George's County or DC
> should have to face the consequences of their
> actions! Not the upper middle class white kids
> from Fairfax County!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:23PM

Who cares how they found out? They are still criminals and perverts either way.


Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
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> I am confused. The Washington Post quotes the
> lawyers as saying
>
> “The police investigation in this case was
> launched based on information provided by a
> third-party juvenile who admitted to providing
> completely fabricated information based on a
> personal agenda,” the attorneys said in the
> statement. “That juvenile has provided to the
> police a statement establishing that fact.”
>
> So the student reported WHAT to the school, and
> then the school reported it to the police, who
> eventually found these recordings....?
>
> So the student LIED to the school and while the
> cops were investigating THAT lie found the
> recordings?
>
> I am running several scenarios through my head to
> try and figure this out. Nothing jives with what
> the lawyer is babbling about.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: sign of the times ()
Date: February 07, 2013 02:33PM

I am always very skeptical about claims that things were better back in the day, i.e., in my case, the 70's. But when it came down to boys and issues with girls and young women, I think they were. It just wasn't that we were directed to be "nice" to girls and treat them with respect - we were - remember - it was still an era where a girl did not call a boy for a date and so on. It was also made clear to boys that underneath all of the command to be polite and respectful (however patronizing that may appear today) that using poor judgment with girls and women could get you into a heap of trouble you didn't necessarily deserve. Not treating girls right could cause a whole group of people to turn on you. It isn't so easy for young guys to grasp this today in a hip/hop video, easy sexual gratification, eternal Internet access to porn, and I like living in the basement with Mom taking care of me world where women all too often appear compliant and easy with no consequences obtaining. This isn't an excuse for the guys involved here, whatever they actually did, but even good and caring parents can have their charges get into some pretty deep trouble if they make assumptions about male/female relationships that apply to the 70's and 80's, and not today. Boys should be raised to be tough minded, independent and disciplined above all else for the simple fact that it protects them in the long run. I wonder if this message is being driven home. Note that the shenanigans here shouldn't reflect on the school either. There cannot be a shortage of stupid acts at any of the local high schools.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Atom ()
Date: February 07, 2013 03:07PM

Sounds like this whole thing was FFXU's fault.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: doubleup ()
Date: February 07, 2013 03:25PM

OK so:

Boys and Girls consented to drugs, sex and recording

Only thing is charges of child pornography?

How if the girls knew they were being filmed?

Seems quite a double-standard going on here. If the girls recorded and posted the recordings, my guess is no charges would be made at all.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: common good ()
Date: February 07, 2013 04:23PM

Bill C. Wrote:
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> Where are the videos?


Umm... you should know that by looking for those pictures you will be committing a crime too... just FYI

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: vvzv ()
Date: February 07, 2013 04:47PM

I really do not get what the big deal is with this and for the guy who says "one day you will grow up and have a daughter", hopefully my daughter will not be having sex at a party, and that way it will prevent her from being taped, I really think that if you are having sex at a party and you are 15, well, I am not feeling any sympathy

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: horselyah ()
Date: February 07, 2013 04:49PM

Wow I must have grown up in a different version of the 70's than you, there were wild sex parties lots of drinking and drugs and the "nice" girls grew up to be boring housewives and the girls who enjoyed themselves are successful now

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: more spin ()
Date: February 07, 2013 05:08PM

horselyah Wrote:
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> Wow I must have grown up in a different version of
> the 70's than you, there were wild sex parties
> lots of drinking and drugs and the "nice" girls
> grew up to be boring housewives and the girls who
> enjoyed themselves are successful now


That's all spin. And how could you know about EVERY female of that generation?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: jeff davis ()
Date: February 07, 2013 06:51PM

I don't want to go off on a tangent, but I will anyway. Could the teenage boys and girls claim the videos were home-made sex education tapes? Perhaps they might say they were involved in some sort of "safe sex" tapes. Or, could they claim that the tapes had some artistic merit,and were not pornography. Plus, I assume none of the participants received money to appear in the tapes. Does that matter in regard to the laws? Moreover, I do not know what the age of consent in Virginia is. Is that a factor in possible criminal charges? Thanks for your consideration.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: LAWYER WATCHED THE VIEDOS ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:11PM

Leffler has seen the 10 videos and says some are as short as 10 seconds and as long as 3 minutes. They involve sexual combinations of the three boys and six girls who are all high school students at either West Springfield or Robinson and Lake Braddock Secondary Schools. Leffler says the videos were all taken on one boy's cell phones over the course of the past year.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: born too late ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:23PM

Damn, I wish I was in high school today! In my day (60's), there was the occasional slut but they were the exception. That has reversed, the vast majority are sluts now. Probably a societal thing?

I know this because I drove a school bus for a while. Kids must think the bus driver is deaf, because you wouldn't fucking believe the shit I overheard girls talking about! Used to catch them blowing guys in the back of the bus too. Found a few pairs of panties on the floor too.

I'm jealous as shit of these young bucks today. I'd wear my dick down to a nub if I was a young buck today!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: QUESTION TO EVERYONE ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:26PM

Do you like the way the principal handle the problem?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parentalspartan ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:32PM

They just passed it off to the police when they got worried they couldn't hush it up. . . didn't want to deal with at an expulsion hearing so snitched. snitches get stiches. . . .

If i were a parent or a good lawyer, I'd FOIA those idiots and get the emails now. I'm sure there's a trail. . . a trail where it could've been dealt with before this crap. Double tax dollar waste--prosecuting stupid idiots, and then paying lawyers to defend the FCPS morons

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Another 2 cents ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:36PM

Because of the age of at least some of the alleged victims these boys did commit a crime but lets not forget the boys involved are minors as well. So you have multiple minors committing what in reality appears was probably a consensual act. The girls may not have wanted it filmed but I doubt you would even find that objection on any of the recording.

Now the in some areas the law may say that a drunk or drugged female cannot consent to sex. Well if that is true it would also stand to reason that a drunk or drugged male cannot commit a crime. Like so many things in this country this is a case of over-correcting. Guys got away with rape often and for many years in the past. But a law that states a girl who knowingly intoxicated herself can say yes and change her mind the next day is a joke.

Bottom Line, Somebody should probably beat the shit out of the boys regardless of a crime or night they were dicks and should be treated accordingly. The girls put themselves in a bad situation and bad things happened. Now deal with it and move on. Placing blame solely on the boys just tells every girl around that they can go out and drink do whatever they want and don't worry it won't be their fault.

Responsibility is a big concept that many people don't get. Reality isn't black and white, just mass of gray is what we got. In in that grey responsibility rarely falls solely on 1 individual or even one group. In that gray mess responsibility usually must be shared. Maybe not equally but shared none the less.

*My uninformed 2 cents added to everybody elses*

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I mean, QBing is easy Monday morning LoLz
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:41PM

@Question - I'd challenge anyone to do any better ;)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Spartan mom ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:46PM

Of course they contacted the police. These crimes happened off school property-not on school property. The police spent a good amount of time before they brought charges, obviously getting things in order. Perhaps the police should not have arrested these young men(for better lack of a word)at school. I think the school and the principal are getting a bad rap. Give them a break.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: 72109470174031 ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:56PM

everyone on here please shut the fuck up none of you know the story these girls were not "victims" they were willing participants and if you knew these boys you would know they arent bad guys they just make stupid decisions yea what they did was wrong but the media fucking blew it out of proportion. wshs students are a family and know not to judge people based on rumors and media that they hear. so call us springfield stoners but at least we arent braddock bitches

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: REPLAY TO Spartan mom ()
Date: February 07, 2013 07:57PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> Of course they contacted the police. These crimes
> happened off school property-not on school
> property. The police spent a good amount of time
> before they brought charges, obviously getting
> things in order. Perhaps the police should not
> have arrested these young men(for better lack of a
> word)at school. I think the school and the
> principal are getting a bad rap. Give them a
> break.


WHY NOT WAIT? couldn't they arrested the boys at their homes????????/

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: IP Freely ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:02PM

72109470174031 Wrote:
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> everyone on here please shut the fuck up none of
> you know the story these girls were not "victims"
> they were willing participants and if you knew
> these boys you would know they arent bad guys they
> just make stupid decisions yea what they did was
> wrong but the media fucking blew it out of
> proportion. wshs students are a family and know
> not to judge people based on rumors and media that
> they hear. so call us springfield stoners but at
> least we arent braddock bitches



Eric's twitter account would suggest otherwise. I hope that little wigger, wanna be tough guy learns his lesson. We will see how badly he wants to be black after Tyrone puts his 9 inch black cock in his ass in prison. Sorry, these three turds have you fooled if you think for even one second that they aren't total scumbags.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Biased Charges ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:08PM

WUSA9 reported yesterday that at least one of the girls involved is 17 years old. Since one boy was 14 when the videos were made, that boy should be identified as much of a "victim" as any of the girls. Makes me wonder, how old are the other girls?

And, since at least two of the videos show girls willingly speaking directly into the camera, then they too are involved in "producing child pornography" and should be charged along with the boys.

It sounds like these students are all friends and all knew what was going on, and if so, none of them should be charged. Virginia needs to establish sexting laws to differentiate between consenting high school students sexting each other, separate from child pornography.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: 72109470174031 ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:11PM

oh yay good for you judging someone off their twitter! lol youre a faggot you dont know them like i said they make bad choices they arent bad people

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Liar Boyfriend Arrested? ()
Date: February 07, 2013 08:51PM

Has anyone else heard about the one girl's boyfriend getting arrested who allegedly lied to the police officer at the high school about the "child exploitation ring" "girls filmed while being passed out" and "videos being distributed on the internet?" The Washington Post article from Feb. 5th states, “The police investigation in this case was launched based on information provided by a third-party juvenile who admitted to providing completely fabricated information based on a personal agenda,” the attorneys said in the statement. “That juvenile has provided to the police a statement establishing that fact.”

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Lin ()
Date: February 07, 2013 11:37PM

I heard one of the victim girls has already dropped out of WSHS due to the situation. Have the guys at least been kicked off the sports teams?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Young Curmudgeon ()
Date: February 08, 2013 12:06AM

sign of the times Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am always very skeptical about claims that
> things were better back in the day, i.e., in my
> case, the 70's. But when it came down to boys and
> issues with girls and young women, I think they
> were. It just wasn't that we were directed to be
> "nice" to girls and treat them with respect - we
> were - remember - it was still an era where a girl
> did not call a boy for a date and so on. It was
> also made clear to boys that underneath all of the
> command to be polite and respectful (however
> patronizing that may appear today) that using poor
> judgment with girls and women could get you into a
> heap of trouble you didn't necessarily deserve.
> Not treating girls right could cause a whole group
> of people to turn on you. It isn't so easy for
> young guys to grasp this today in a hip/hop video,
> easy sexual gratification, eternal Internet access
> to porn, and I like living in the basement with
> Mom taking care of me world where women all too
> often appear compliant and easy with no
> consequences obtaining. This isn't an excuse for
> the guys involved here, whatever they actually
> did, but even good and caring parents can have
> their charges get into some pretty deep trouble if
> they make assumptions about male/female
> relationships that apply to the 70's and 80's, and
> not today. Boys should be raised to be tough
> minded, independent and disciplined above all else
> for the simple fact that it protects them in the
> long run. I wonder if this message is being
> driven home. Note that the shenanigans here
> shouldn't reflect on the school either. There
> cannot be a shortage of stupid acts at any of the
> local high schools.

There is a difference between treating a woman with respect and being a doormat.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Don't believe the hype ()
Date: February 08, 2013 12:58AM

I heard that one girl moved out of state, but that she admits to having consensual sex, willingly being in the video, and she's still friends with the boys. None of the girls reported this, and none of them nor their parents are filing charges...this all appears to be coming from Officer Plazio at the school (and apparently is based on a lie from a girl's boyfriend). I think that's why Greenfelder mentioned Plazio by name in his email to parents, and I think that's why the school board is questioning why Fairfax County Police arrested the boys at school. The school board rep stated in her Fox News interview, that the public schools should not be used as an extension of the juvenile justice system. I think we might be dealing with an overly zealous student resource officer, and if that's the case, he has dragged the boys' and girls' reputations through the mud, and unnecessarily tarnished West Springfield's image.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Old school ()
Date: February 08, 2013 01:46AM

"Virginia needs to establish sexting laws to differentiate between consenting high school students sexting each other, separate from child pornography."

HA! Virginia?!?!!???

You are asking the state to enter the 21st century. How about entering the 20th century and getting the anti-sodomy laws off the books first.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To old school ()
Date: February 08, 2013 03:18AM

You're retarded anti-sodomy laws are on the books for rapists and child molestors so the courts can slam them with more charges. I'm assuming you're gay and have a grudge lol

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Homeschool ()
Date: February 08, 2013 12:57PM

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down sodomy law in 2003, as unconstitutional. Despite this ruling, Virginia still keeps that law on its books, and it has been misused and manipulated to target people, especially by radical cops and righteous prosecutors. The law is described as "crimes against nature" and applies to consensual oral and anal sex even between married adults, regardless of sexual orientation. This law also applies to consensual intercourse by non-married persons. http://www.sodomy.org/laws/virginia/ This law is so stupid, that almost every person in Virginia who has had consensual sex would be charged with a felony. The same applies to this case with these teen boys and girls who had consensual sex on video and shared with one another; if anything, it should be a misdemeanor not a felony.

In Connecticut, Rep. Rosa Rebimbas introduced a bill that would lessen the penalty for "sexting" between two consenting minors in 2009. The bill would make it a Class A misdemeanor for children under 18 to send or receive text messages with other minors that include nude or sexual images. It is currently a felony for children to send such messages, and violators could end up on the state's sex offender registry.

In Ohio, a county prosecutor and two lawmakers proposed a law that would reduce sexting from a felony to a first degree misdemeanor, and eliminate the possibility of a teenage offender being labeled a sex offender for years. The proposal was supported by the parents of Jesse Logan, a Cincinnati 18-year-old who committed suicide after the naked picture of herself which she sexted was forwarded to people in her high school.

Utah lawmakers lessened the penalty for sexting for someone younger than 18 to a misdemeanor from a felony.

In New York, Assemblyman Ken Zebrowski (D-Rockland) has introduced a bill that will create an affirmative defense where a minor is charged under child pornography laws if they possess or disseminate a picture of themselves or possess or disseminates the image of another minor (within 4 years of their age) with their consent.

Vermont lawmakers introduced a bill in April 2009 to legalize the consensual exchange of graphic images between two people 13 to 18 years old.

In 2008, a Virginia assistant principal was charged with possession of child pornography and related crimes after he had been asked to investigate a rumored sexting incident at the high school where he worked. Upon finding a student in possession of a photo on his phone that depicted the torso of a girl wearing only underpants, her arms mostly covering her breasts, the assistant principal showed the image to the principal who instructed him to preserve the photo on his computer as evidence, which he did. The court later ruled that the photo did not constitute child pornography because under Virginia law, nudity alone is not enough to qualify an image as child pornography; the image must be "sexually explicit". Loudoun County Prosecutor James Plowman stands by his initial assessment of the photo and says he would not have pursued the case if the assistant principal had agreed to resign. Instead, the assistant principal got a second mortgage on his house and spent $150,000 in attorneys' fees to clear his name.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: a reader ()
Date: February 08, 2013 01:09PM

Don't believe the hype Wrote:
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> and if that's the case, he has
> dragged the boys' and girls' reputations through
> the mud, and unnecessarily tarnished West
> Springfield's image.

Yes, because happily fucking on video isn't a way to ruin your own reputation that anyone would expect.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Skeet ()
Date: February 08, 2013 01:32PM

I was worried ...I thought they busted up the "show me yours I'll show you mine" underground high school exhibitionist ring!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: You're clueless ()
Date: February 08, 2013 02:47PM

To old school Wrote:
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> You're retarded anti-sodomy laws are on the books
> for rapists and child molestors so the courts can
> slam them with more charges. I'm assuming you're
> gay and have a grudge lol


You have NO IDEA what the anti-sodomy law covers. Here's a hint: if you are not married and are having sex...gay, straight, anal, vaginal, oral whatever...you are in violation of the law.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: School? ()
Date: February 08, 2013 03:06PM

They arrested the boys in school because the case was not strong enough for the FBI's comfort. They can better take advantage of the kids lack of knowledge for their rights to not speak until a lawyer or their parents are present, so they could try to get more information to help the prosecution.

And as to you people who are obsessing over how they are still in school-
None of these acts were on school grounds or are related to education or athletics. Its ridiculous that schools have to get so involved in peoples personal lives nowadays and feel the need to control everything.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To: a reader ()
Date: February 08, 2013 03:08PM

You're assuming the students are having intercourse in the videos. The lawyer who has seen all of the videos said one girl is naked from the waist up singing a song, and in another video a girl is looking at the camera and fondling a boy. Even if there are videos showing people, to use your crass words "happily fucking" shared amongst those nine consenting teens, that doesn't ruin reputations of teenagers, parents, principals, a high school, and a community like unnecessarily arresting the students at school, and having news cameras at the school, and local media spewing lies (the student who reported this to Officer Plazio apparently admitted to police he lied about all of this) on tv, the radio, the internet, newspapers, and sites like this, to hundreds of thousands of people throughout the metro DC area, and potentially to millions of people around the world, about the apparent lies of a "child exploitation ring" and "girls being drugged and filmed while being passed out" and "distributing the videos around the school and on-line." What apparently was consensual and private to a small group of high school students, has now become a reckless witch hunt, with little to no consideration to the emotional, social, and potentially financial and physical impact to the boys and the girls involved. I find it ironic how people focus the blame on the students for what happened, but don't blame how Officer Plazio, the media, and prosecutors have handled this situation. In my opinion, it's completely irresponsible, reckless, and potentially illegal.

Another reckless and stupid action by radical police and prosecutors happened this week when Alexandria cops arrested a 10 year old 5th grader for bringing a toy gun to school to show his friends. According to media:

A 10-year-old elementary school student in Northern Virginia is facing criminal charges after police say he brought a toy gun to school. A fifth-grader at Douglas MacArthur Elementary School in Alexandria, Va., was arrested and charged with brandishing a weapon Tuesday after he allegedly showed off the weapon on a school bus.

Police say the boy showed the replica silver handgun on his way home from school on Monday and neglected to mention to others that the gun was a fake, according to the report. The gun reportedly has a black handle and orange tip.

When the boy arrived at school on Tuesday, police found the toy gun in his backpack. After his arrest, he was reportedly transported to a juvenile detention center and later released.

Alexandria City Public Schools Superintendent Dr. Morton Sherman said the student has been suspended and officials are considering expulsion as a punishment.

Really?!?!?!?!? Can you imagine what trauma that 10 year old faced, riding in the back of a cop car, and being detained at the juvenile detention center!!! What ever happened to warnings, or educating kids about what can get them into trouble? The 10 year old boy is being charged with a misdemeanor!!!! In both of these cases, the cops should've met with the parents and the student(s) to let them know what they did was wrong, and what could happen in the future if it happens again. In the case with the high school kids, if the girls and their parents wanted to press charges, then let them. The citizens and courts need to put these extremist cops and prosecutors into their place (or even better, out of the system)....they are getting way too radical, out of control, and it's impacting communities in a negative way.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: sadfadsfadsf ()
Date: February 08, 2013 03:18PM

Wshs Student 1 Wrote:
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> 3 students at this school where just arrested. Any
> reason why they couldn't call them in do the
> principal office and arrested them after school
> ended?
>
> edit by Cary: Added "[3 arrested in child
> pornography case]" to the subject for list-page
> clarity.


you dun got called gramaticly challenged son

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To: School? ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:03PM

Officer Plazio didn't have cause to arrest these boys AT ALL. There was a hearing on this case yesterday at the Fairfax County Courthouse, and it was revealed that a score sheet is used to determine if there's cause to detain an individual. The score sheet in this case had a false score that was fabricated using criteria not associated with this case, in order to get to the very minimal score needed to detain the boys. Also, the detention order was signed on a Wednesday, yet Officer Plazio waited until Friday afternoon, just before school was let out, so everyone could see the boys being detained, and also so they would have to spend the weekend in the juvenile detention center, rather than being detained at home on that Wednesday and being released that same day. The judge hadn't seen anything like this in 15 years on the bench. If this case does make it to trial, I hope Fairfax County takes Plazio's badge, because from what I've seen, he lacks judgment, intellect, ethics, and integrity, and has brought discredit upon the Fairfax County Police department, and WSHS.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: humpty bumpty ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:34PM

i am nominating rodney g leffler as the best pedophile on fairfax underground

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: James ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:37PM

Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
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> I am confused. The Washington Post quotes the
> lawyers as saying
>
> “The police investigation in this case was
> launched based on information provided by a
> third-party juvenile who admitted to providing
> completely fabricated information based on a
> personal agenda,” the attorneys said in the
> statement. “That juvenile has provided to the
> police a statement establishing that fact.”
>
> So the student reported WHAT to the school, and
> then the school reported it to the police, who
> eventually found these recordings....?
>
> So the student LIED to the school and while the
> cops were investigating THAT lie found the
> recordings?
>
> I am running several scenarios through my head to
> try and figure this out. Nothing jives with what
> the lawyer is babbling about



Not that hard to figure out if you went to high schoo. Kid makes up a story to get someone in trouble and tells it to the resource officer. He investigates and finds out its bull. BUT while interviewing people he finds out about the sex tapes.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: James ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:39PM

To: School? Wrote:
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> Officer Plazio didn't have cause to arrest these
> boys AT ALL. There was a hearing on this case
> yesterday at the Fairfax County Courthouse, and it
> was revealed that a score sheet is used to
> determine if there's cause to detain an
> individual. The score sheet in this case had a
> false score that was fabricated using criteria not
> associated with this case, in order to get to the
> very minimal score needed to detain the boys.
> Also, the detention order was signed on a
> Wednesday, yet Officer Plazio waited until Friday
> afternoon, just before school was let out, so
> everyone could see the boys being detained, and
> also so they would have to spend the weekend in
> the juvenile detention center, rather than being
> detained at home on that Wednesday and being
> released that same day. The judge hadn't seen
> anything like this in 15 years on the bench. If
> this case does make it to trial, I hope Fairfax
> County takes Plazio's badge, because from what
> I've seen, he lacks judgment, intellect, ethics,
> and integrity, and has brought discredit upon the
> Fairfax County Police department, and WSHS.



So says the guy who has a personal interest in the case. Either a parent or one of the attorneys. Complete bull shit.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: clueless parents ()
Date: February 08, 2013 04:54PM

Newsflash, dumbasses....kids get arrested for vandalism and petty theft in school ALL THE TIME.

Why the hell should these perverts get special treatment?

They don't know what child porn is? Really? They have never heard of the term?

They knew what they were doing was illegal and they kept in on their phone for MONTHS. That is plenty of time to reflect.

HUNDREDS of cases from FCPS kids are referred to law enforcement--this case is nothing special.

If the school didn't try to hide it, people probably wouldn't be as obsessed.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Spartan mom ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:17PM

The school did not try to hide this. Those kids did do something wrong. They took pictures for 11 months. This was not one time only. The system will punish them appropriately. Quit blaming the school officials.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Lin ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:27PM

Why are the students who were arrested still allowed to be on sports teams? For that matter isn't it customary to suspend or expel students who have been charged with sex crimes?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Lake Braddock silly ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:29PM

WS kids are very strange for the most part. Lots of girls wanting to do all kinds of stuff there. This could have happend at almost any HS. I have always wondered why WS girls are so sweet and easy. Maybe there is something in the water.

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Posted by: blame, blame, blame ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:30PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> The school did not try to hide this.


I call BS.

I get a letter from school when a kid has head lice but nothing to parents about child porn?

One of the main reasons you publicize it is to encourage other victime to come forward.

Did they do that? Nope. They swept in under the rug.


TOP FIVE INCIDENT TYPES FCPS REPORTS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT:

1. assault against student without weapon---249 cases

2. marijuana possession----128 cases

3. assault against staff without weapon---89 cases

4. threatening staff-physical or verbal----76 cases

5. marijuana use---69 cases

total of 915---in just one school year.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To: James and clueless parents ()
Date: February 08, 2013 05:52PM

This hearing was open to the public and the press. If you don't believe the info, see if you can get a transcript. Regardless of what you believe, the prosecuting and defense attorneys, and the judge, all have the evidence. I think the Fairfax County School Board should ask for proof of when the arrest warrant was signed, as well as the score sheet, and discuss with FCPD/Intake Officer on the criteria used to justify the detention order. The boys shouldn't have been arrested, and especially at the school. My guess, clueless parents, is that theft and vandalism score high enough to get a detention order. In despite what you think, James, the judge knows more than you.

The school didn't hide anything; they don't have jurisdiction to investigate alleged activity that occurs off of school grounds.

Obviously the kids didn't know the laws about child pornography, just like the assistant principle in Loudon County didn't know that law when he was asked to investigate similar activity at his school, and was subsequently charged with possession of child pornography due to the photo he was told to store on his school computer as evidence that came from the investigation, and he had to spend $150,000 on lawyers fees to clear his name due to a radical prosecutor. Otherwise, he would've been a registered sex offender. Many adults don't even understand the sodomy law in Virginia; if you're not married, and engage in oral, vaginal, or anal sex, you can be prosecuted (oral and anal sex are felonies in Virginia, even if you are married). So, James and clueless parents, if you ever engage in those activities, and someone accuses you of doing such, be prepared to hire a lawyer, cause you will be charged with a felony.

Also, because so many young people use technology and share private info with each other, and because many states have not adjusted their laws and kids are getting into lots of trouble for child pornography when in fact it's sexting, law makers in states like New York, Connecticut, Utah, Vermont, Ohio, etc. have made efforts to separate sexting from child pornography. I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. Supreme Court has to make a ruling on the difference between sexting and child pornography, just like they did with striking down the sodomy law.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To: Lin ()
Date: February 08, 2013 06:00PM

In our country, we're innocent until proven guilty. Although with this case, there appears to be a pre-meditated plan to make the students appear guilty, and to incite public anger to provide support for the prosecution.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Doofus ()
Date: February 08, 2013 06:20PM

It's simple.

Don't do the crime, and then you won't have to worry about the time.

Both boys and girls involved in this incident wanted to have fun and broadcast it to their friends. Now the broadcast has gone public in a big way across the media. Keep your pants zipped up and shirts tied down. But if you won't to do otherwise, don't have a party and start taking pictures.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Jack Abrahamoff ()
Date: February 08, 2013 06:34PM

Principal Greenfelder has discretion to act to remove the students. Presently, he is in CYA mode and has done nothing.

From the FCPS SRR:

1. The principal shall determine the appropriate disciplinary measures to be taken in each case of prohibited conduct, except when School Board action is required, and may request the assistance of other appropriate staff members.

2. A student who engages in prohibited conduct may be subject to ongoing consequences, even after the student returns to school attendance following suspension or expulsion. Such consequences include, but are not limited to, reassignment to a different regular school or to an alternative education program, probationary conditions, community or civic service, periodic drug testing, and
restitution.

3. The Division Superintendent may require any student who (i) has been CHARGED with an offense relating to Virginia‘s laws on weapons, alcohol, drugs, or intentional injury to another person or with AN OFFENSE REQUIRED BY LAW TO BE REPORTED TO SCHOOL OFFICIALS or (ii) has been found guilty or not innocent of any of the above offenses or of a crime that resulted in or could have resulted in injury to others or of a crime required by law to be reported to school officials or (iii) has been found to have committed a serious offense or repeated offenses in violation of School Board policies, to attend an alternative program, including, but not limited to, night school, adult education, or any other educational program designed to offer instruction to students for whom the regular program of instruction may be inappropriate. The Division Superintendent may impose this
requirement without regard to where the crime has occurred.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Officer Plaz ()
Date: February 08, 2013 07:01PM

I was once a very big Officer Plazio fan. As a recent graduate of West Springfield, I can honestly say he was a fair, well-liked, and even at times charismatic man. He had a lot of the qualities you need and desire in a high school police officer.

However, he has greatly disappointed me in his handling of and involvement in this situation. I harbor no sympathy for these 3 boys. They are by all estimations, perverts. Engaging in alcohol and sex is an inconvenient truth of the culture of high school life. But these boys took it to a level by pulling out a camera to relive some of these taboo rendezvous.

Plazio overstepped his boundaries on this one. I still cannot find any justifiable reason why the boys would be arrested IN SCHOOL during school hours. That decision itself brought ridiculous amounts of bad publicity to the school completely unnecessarily. I do not know the exact complaint the classmate who gave the tip to Plazio ("victim"'s new boyfriend allegedly) but it seems extremely unprofessional that he acted so strongly on an impulse decision of what seems to be a jealous kid who may or may not have made most of what he said up.

A lot of people on this thread have said stuff like "leave WS out of this, it was just a couple of stupid kids and doesn't represent us"...well Plazio took care of that for you. Rather than this story being a sex scandal about "3 boys from Springfield" it now has "West Springfield High School" branded to it, take the name of this thread for example.

Whatever happens in the coming weeks/months happens and hopefully justice will be served however much (or little) needs to be done. But I really don't think I can forgive Plaz for this one.

He is single handedly the one that made this much more of an issue with much greater exposure than it warranted. He essentially tarnished the name of the school he is working at.

I am definitely an advocate for Plazio leaving WSHS, and maybe even the Fairfax County Police Department as a whole.

Ludacris in my opinion.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: student of the week ()
Date: February 08, 2013 07:07PM

It is sad to see all the poor grammar in this conversation.
All the posts with mistakes with use of:

your vs. you're
too vs. to (among many other errors)

It is sooo sad that these highly touted
Fairfax County Schools somehow produce graduates who cannot express themselves using correct grammar. How does this go on...and the moral decay is appalling. I remember looking forward to watching The Waltons and Little House on the Prairie when I was growing up. These kids have smut available to them...this whole story and conversation are enough to make me pack up and move.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: BrandonG.M.U. ()
Date: February 08, 2013 07:12PM

I FCPS don't want to offend the kids so they compromise with spelling and grammer mistakes. You is is now an acceptable substitute for your and you're.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Shut Up ()
Date: February 08, 2013 08:15PM

It is quite humorous to keep reading this thread and how EVERYONE thinks they know the "real" story. You all have NO IDEA what really happened, how it was investigated by the police department, the school, etc. You are all going on your own opinions and assumptions. Stop acting like a bunch of know-it-alls.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Pay attention ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:32AM

To: James and clueless parents Wrote:
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> This hearing was open to the public and the press.
> If you don't believe the info, see if you can get
> a transcript. Regardless of what you believe, the
> prosecuting and defense attorneys, and the judge,
> all have the evidence. I think the Fairfax County
> School Board should ask for proof of when the
> arrest warrant was signed, as well as the score
> sheet, and discuss with FCPD/Intake Officer on the
> criteria used to justify the detention order. The
> boys shouldn't have been arrested, and especially
> at the school. My guess, clueless parents, is
> that theft and vandalism score high enough to get
> a detention order. In despite what you think,
> James, the judge knows more than you.
>
> The school didn't hide anything; they don't have
> jurisdiction to investigate alleged activity that
> occurs off of school grounds.
>
> Obviously the kids didn't know the laws about
> child pornography, just like the assistant
> principle in Loudon County didn't know that law
> when he was asked to investigate similar activity
> at his school, and was subsequently charged with
> possession of child pornography due to the photo
> he was told to store on his school computer as
> evidence that came from the investigation, and he
> had to spend $150,000 on lawyers fees to clear his
> name due to a radical prosecutor. Otherwise, he
> would've been a registered sex offender. Many
> adults don't even understand the sodomy law in
> Virginia; if you're not married, and engage in
> oral, vaginal, or anal sex, you can be prosecuted
> (oral and anal sex are felonies in Virginia, even
> if you are married). So, James and clueless
> parents, if you ever engage in those activities,
> and someone accuses you of doing such, be prepared
> to hire a lawyer, cause you will be charged with a
> felony.
>
> Also, because so many young people use technology
> and share private info with each other, and
> because many states have not adjusted their laws
> and kids are getting into lots of trouble for
> child pornography when in fact it's sexting, law
> makers in states like New York, Connecticut, Utah,
> Vermont, Ohio, etc. have made efforts to separate
> sexting from child pornography. I wouldn't be
> surprised if the U.S. Supreme Court has to make a
> ruling on the difference between sexting and child
> pornography, just like they did with striking down
> the sodomy law.

This doesn't sound accurate ... A case involving juveniles would NOT be open to the public. Therefore, the credibility of what you said happened inside that court room is also highly suspect. If indeed there even was a hearing.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wateva ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:43AM

Officer Plazio did exactly what he should have done, arrest them at school. With all of these scumbag lawyers making these dirtbags look like they were victims, they will probably be getting off with some comunity service. At least by arresting them at school, they might be humiliated enough to never do this again. The fact that they had to spend time in juvy might actually make them think about things they are doing and the possible consequences each action may bring.
The bottom line is to many parents are so AFRAID to talk or ask questions to their kids. They are not adults, they think they are indestructible, and that nothing can happen to them. I remember back when I was in school and I had the same feeling, the difference was my parents taught me the difference between right and wrong. I think some of these kids parents were unpopular in HS and didn't say anything to there kids because they are living their life through there kids. That's really sad!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Pay attention ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:49AM

Today's parents won't even punish their kids by taking away their cell phones much less know what's on those phones. And if it were my kid, the school wouldn't need to take him or her off the sports team because I would do it myself. Better to "jeopardize" a future college application than to jeopardize becoming a decent human being. Kids get no real discipline at all and parents scream and hire lawyers the minute any outside authority attempts to address the situation. Kids have always made poor decisions ... What has changed is how little they learn from them.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Wateva ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:51AM

AMEN!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: msdrea ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:03AM

What about the girls?
Why werent they arrested?
It takes two people to have sex, so why were only the boys targeted?
Shouldnt they be charged with lewd and lascivious acts, face punishment and placed on the sex offender list?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Pay attention ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:17AM

The girls were not the ones doing the actual filming and showing the results to all their friends ... But I get your point and I agree that they are worthy of some "lesson learning" as well.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Not about sex ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:20AM

msdrea Wrote:
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> What about the girls?
> Why werent they arrested?
> It takes two people to have sex, so why were only
> the boys targeted?
> Shouldnt they be charged with lewd and lascivious
> acts, face punishment and placed on the sex
> offender list?

Because the issue is NOT the sex. It is the creation, possession and distribution of the videos that got the boys in trouble. Got it?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:23AM

As I said in another link.....


For what its worth.....

The FCPD has a memo of understanding with FCPS dealing with police arrest of students during the school day and on school grounds. That memo states that arrest of students will not be made on school grounds unless there is an immediate threat to safety or an emergency. Not sure the details of this arrest and why it was necessary to arrest students immediately for a crime occurring in the summer.

I would imagine the cops making that arrest will need to explain why they violated their own policy and if it was necessary to do so.......but regardless, the memo exist and is in force.

Hopefully as more info comes out, there was an imminent threat or emergency which might have caused the officer(s) to make an immediate arrest. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until credible evidence surfaces to show otherwise....

Just my opinion

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: msdrea ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:40AM

If the boys are being charged because they have video’s, were the cell phones of the girls who consented to be filmed checked out?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: msdrea ()
Date: February 09, 2013 09:41AM

From what I read in the Washington Post, the boys didn’t pass the video’s around, they were turned in by an anonymous student who heard about it and got pissed because they wouldn’t show and tell.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parentalspartan ()
Date: February 09, 2013 10:05AM

It probably has less to do with FCPD and more to do with FCPS--trying to manage their image and wash their hands of responsibility and involvement by making a big show of it. And since that now has probably increased the punishment that "must" be given to the students--to justify the big show, if i were the parents or lawyers id be taking a close look at the chain of events leading up to the arrest

None* Wrote:
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> As I said in another link.....
>
>
> For what its worth.....
>
> The FCPD has a memo of understanding with FCPS
> dealing with police arrest of students during the
> school day and on school grounds. That memo states
> that arrest of students will not be made on school
> grounds unless there is an immediate threat to
> safety or an emergency. Not sure the details of
> this arrest and why it was necessary to arrest
> students immediately for a crime occurring in the
> summer.
>
> I would imagine the cops making that arrest will
> need to explain why they violated their own policy
> and if it was necessary to do so.......but
> regardless, the memo exist and is in force.
>
> Hopefully as more info comes out, there was an
> imminent threat or emergency which might have
> caused the officer(s) to make an immediate arrest.
> I am willing to give them the benefit of the
> doubt until credible evidence surfaces to show
> otherwise....
>
> Just my opinion

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: makes no sense ()
Date: February 09, 2013 01:53PM

msdrea wrote:

"From what I read in the Washington Post, the boys didn’t pass the video’s around, they were turned in by an anonymous student who heard about it and got pissed because they wouldn’t show and tell."


If the videos were not passed around and if the anonymous student was pissed about not getting to see the videos, where did the police get the evidence to arrest the boys? Your statement makes no sense msdrea.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: whiner ()
Date: February 09, 2013 02:36PM

In today's WP, this FFX police statement on this case:

Officer Eddy Azcarate said Fairfax police’s public information office “didn’t find out about the arrests until two weeks after they happened. We made the decision, because it’s an ongoing investigation and it’s juveniles, not to do a [press] release. With juveniles, there’s very little we can say anyway. We did respond to all inquiries as they came in.”

The police owe the public information on every High School (and other) arrest they make....even if it's only generic in nature. That's the least we can ask as the citizens funding their department.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Sketchy ()
Date: February 09, 2013 06:43PM

It seems like there was a lot of sketchiness that went into the decision to arrest the boys. Even if the crime itself is punishable by law, the way/process in which charges have been brought about seems rather dubious at this point.

Whether it is Plazio or the FCPD as a whole, something was not done correctly and the attorney's of the boys accused will take target at these judicial missteps.

I see the boys transferring schools, getting probation and a lot of community service. But I highly doubt they will be spending extended periods of time at JDC. It just does not seem likely at this point.

In conclusion, I really feel bad for all those involved (the boys, girls, and students of WS). The boys will forever been known as "rapists", the girls will forever be known as the "school sluts", and students of WSHS are now generalized as "degenerates". Really a shitty, lose-lose-lose situation.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: M. Leeds ()
Date: February 09, 2013 06:54PM

The boys have been charged with a potentially serious sex crimes. Why are they still in school, and WHY THE HELL ARE THEY STILL ON SPORTS TEAMS?

I thought that being charged with a crime by the police and taken to jail would automatically result in suspension from extracurricular activities. Isn't that always the policy? If so why the hell are our tax dollars being spent to let these degenerates play sports? Other schools' coaches should be protesting that these kids are still playing.

Also obviously the police felt that the girls DID NOT consent to be filmed. If they did, they would have been charged with producing kiddie porn as well.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 09, 2013 07:17PM

So in addition to being perverts, they are also bullies. Again, why are they still in school?

msdrea Wrote:
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> From what I read in the Washington Post, the boys
> didn’t pass the video’s around, they were
> turned in by an anonymous student who heard about
> it and got pissed because they wouldn’t show and
> tell.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: And More ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:50PM

So when the cops started asking questions, the boys did not have the good sense to erase the videos? What were they saving them for? To show at the girls weddings? Or to coerce them later into doing something they would not want to do?

Can't imagine anyone making it to age 15 without knowing that alcohol possession is illegal, sexting is bad, and videotaping teen sex and sharing it is illegal. Of course they should have known what would eventually happen. Sort of like the last episode of Skins.

Surprised that based solely on what the boys have admitted that they were not suspended with a recommendation for expulsion. Like what would happen if the girls shared a Pamprin.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: katiesmith ()
Date: February 09, 2013 08:52PM

Get your point, put if you have seen the pathetic thing that too many parents call parenting today, aka being your kids friend and lawyer, it all makes perfect sense to me when things like this happen.


And More Wrote:
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> So when the cops started asking questions, the
> boys did not have the good sense to erase the
> videos? What were they saving them for? To show
> at the girls weddings? Or to coerce them later
> into doing something they would not want to do?
>
> Can't imagine anyone making it to age 15 without
> knowing that alcohol possession is illegal,
> sexting is bad, and videotaping teen sex and
> sharing it is illegal. Of course they should have
> known what would eventually happen. Sort of like
> the last episode of Skins.
>
> Surprised that based solely on what the boys have
> admitted that they were not suspended with a
> recommendation for expulsion. Like what would
> happen if the girls shared a Pamprin.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Dane Bramage ()
Date: February 09, 2013 10:52PM

M. Leeds Wrote:
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> The boys have been charged with a potentially
> serious sex crimes. Why are they still in school,
> and WHY THE HELL ARE THEY STILL ON SPORTS TEAMS?
>
> have been charged with producing kiddie porn as
> well.


FCPS zero tolerance is only applied to those the district doesn't favor.

-------------------------------------------------
The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Funny Lawyers ()
Date: February 09, 2013 11:38PM

Funny how the defendants lawyers want to try this in the press... it's only drinking, sharing teen sex videos among a few friends, boys are victims, etc.

They know that the Commonwealth's Attorney can't and won't argue with them in public.

By now each boy's lawyer has informed their client to not talk with the other boys or their lawyers, and that their interests may not be the same.

Real funny will be when the CA decides to try them as adults in Circuit Court. They will play Let's Make a Deal where the first one to agree wins.

It may be time to take the plea deals and move on to the civil suits. Before more girls come forward. Six named victims are far more than needed to send these boys downstate. They are toast if it becomes eight or ten. See more girls line up to say they were betrayed, taken advantage of, coerced, or whatever.

And no, I know nothing about this specific case. Just seen it before.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: dWH7n ()
Date: February 10, 2013 03:51AM

there are no fucking victims AT ALL!

read the fucking paper

the ONLY charge that may be brought up is the one relating to child pornography

i will make this simple:

if they never recorded all the acts drinking and sex then there would be nothing to charge at all

the boys AND girls were aware and consented to being recorded

the girls even talked to the recording like it was a fucking tv show

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: .... ()
Date: February 10, 2013 07:49AM

The important word in your post is "if" ... But they DID make those recordings, didn't they. Letting them continue to play sports when the official school policy states that underage drinking is grounds for being kicked off the team sends the message loud and clear to every high school athlete that those rules do not really apply to them and they may carry on as usual. Especially if they are white, upper middle class, and have lawyers.

As for the child porn charge ... The number of videos and the number of months it went on are likely the reason charges are being considered. Not the number of participants (please note I didn't use the word victims since it disturbs you so.) Do you truly believe that those 3 boys were the only ones to ever view the videos and they never showed them to any other kid?? My assertion is of course purely speculative, but I say that is HIGHLY unlikely ...

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Posted by: Funny parents ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:01AM

The kids' lawyers are behaving exactly as anyone would expect. It is the PARENTS who are showing no apparent interest in taking any responsibility for their kids' actions. For them to allow their kids to stay on the sports teams speaks volumes.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: FEHjG ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:10AM

.... Wrote:
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> The important word in your post is "if" ... But
> they DID make those recordings, didn't they.
> Letting them continue to play sports when the
> official school policy states that underage
> drinking is grounds for being kicked off the team
> sends the message loud and clear to every high
> school athlete that those rules do not really
> apply to them and they may carry on as usual.
> Especially if they are white, upper middle class,
> and have lawyers.
>
> As for the child porn charge ... The number of
> videos and the number of months it went on are
> likely the reason charges are being considered.
> Not the number of participants (please note I
> didn't use the word victims since it disturbs you
> so.) Do you truly believe that those 3 boys were
> the only ones to ever view the videos and they
> never showed them to any other kid?? My assertion
> is of course purely speculative, but I say that is
> HIGHLY unlikely ...


i am not addressing the school or their responsibilities, i do not care

i am pointing out that there were no victims, all willingly participated

and that the only charges relate to the recordings = possession of child pornography, which is fucking ridiculous, because the only children involved were the WILLING BOYS AND GIRLS IN THE FIRST PLACE

you want to beat down the school doors about their policies? go for it
i do not see any crime in ALL of the kids actions - maybe underage drinking, add to that some pre-historic VA laws regarding sex

they ((boys and girls) should not be charged with anything
and all this has nothing to do with the school if you want to go that route, but again, i really do not care if they are in school or playing sports

these kids did what kids have been doing for a hundred years, ONLY difference is that modern technology allowed them to record it and have a way to offer the recording to the world

are the guys dicks? yes
are the girls sluts? yes
are they all dumb as shit to have recorded their actions? yes
did they do anything illegal? no

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: CHpMH ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:18AM

Whether you agree with the statutes or not does not determine whether or not something is illegal. The law regarding child porn is on the books and will be carefully reviewed and interpreted in court if indeed this case goes that far. Everyone does it is not a very persuasive defense ...

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:42AM

let me address some misunderstandings:

FCPS cannot....I repeat......cannot expel or otherwise keep a student out of school just because he/she committed a crime in the neighborhood (off school grounds).

Va state law dictates what a school board can do with certain crimes. In order to be removed from school due to a crime in the neighborhood, a student has to be convicted of certain crimes which are spelled out specifically in the state law. Most of those crimes have to do with rape, robbery, distribution of narcotics, etc etc. The crime these kids supposedly committed does not fall under that law allowing removal. So........although I wouldn't want my child to stay there under the circumstances, these young men and women certainly can and FCPS cant do anything about that even,,if they wanted to.

I am sure someone will disagree with me, so i can post the state statues if you want to read them for yourselves.....

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Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:07AM

yeah, i call bs on this. even if they don't expel someone they can suspend them and certainly not allow them to participate in afterschool activities. Those are a privilege and not a right. It just seems like the school was too lazy to do that cause they didn't want to argue with the parents. Then people bitched so the sicced the popo on em

None* Wrote:
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> let me address some misunderstandings:
>
> FCPS cannot....I repeat......cannot expel or
> otherwise keep a student out of school just
> because he/she committed a crime in the
> neighborhood (off school grounds).
>
> Va state law dictates what a school board can do
> with certain crimes. In order to be removed from
> school due to a crime in the neighborhood, a
> student has to be convicted of certain crimes
> which are spelled out specifically in the state
> law. Most of those crimes have to do with rape,
> robbery, distribution of narcotics, etc etc. The
> crime these kids supposedly committed does not
> fall under that law allowing removal.
> So........although I wouldn't want my child to
> stay there under the circumstances, these young
> men and women certainly can and FCPS cant do
> anything about that even,,if they wanted to.
>
> I am sure someone will disagree with me, so i can
> post the state statues if you want to read them
> for yourselves.....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: James ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:28AM

msdrea Wrote:
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> What about the girls?
> Why werent they arrested?
> It takes two people to have sex, so why were only
> the boys targeted?
> Shouldnt they be charged with lewd and lascivious
> acts, face punishment and placed on the sex
> offender list?


What about the girls? All they were doing is having sex. Its not against the law to have sex.

Lewd and Lascivious behavior? I love it when idiots make up the law as the go along.

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Posted by: Nota Lawyer ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:30AM

None* Wrote:
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> let me address some misunderstandings:
>
> FCPS cannot....I repeat......cannot expel or
> otherwise keep a student out of school just
> because he/she committed a crime in the
> neighborhood (off school grounds).

Well...according to the SR&R they can:

>>> "...Students may also be disciplined for acts committed away from school
>>> property and outside school hours if the conduct is detrimental to the
>>> interest of the school, adversely affects school discipline, and/or
>>> results in a criminal charge
or conviction..."

http://www.fcps.edu/dss/ips/ssaw/SRR/2012-13/2012-13-SRR.pdf

In any case, this actually has nothing to do with the school. IMHO, the ONLY reason the school was "brought into this", given ONLY what I've read HERE, is the police used the school's search policy to find evidence of a crime - OUTSIDE school the "probable reason" to search their phones probably wouldn't have been sufficient.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:42AM

WSAWJI.....

Say what you want. In this case, FCPS cannot and does not have the authority to suspend these kids or keep them from after school activities....

You do not know what you are talking about.....sorry

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:43AM

prove it

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:47AM

btw, here the relevant section that says they can be disciplined from the document NOTA LAWYER posted above:

"Students may
also be disciplined for acts committed away from school property and outside school hours if the
conduct is detrimental to the interest of the school, adversely affects school discipline, and/or
results in a criminal charge or conviction."

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 10:14AM

Yep....exactly right. None of those apply except for the "criminal charge" part. And in that case....the criminal charge has to be one that is defined in the state statute. The last time I looked, their charge was not one of those listed.

In addition, they have to be CONVICTED of the charge. lets say a kid is charged in the neighborhood of distributing marijuana. That kid can be recommended for exclusion form the school he is going to....BUT.... he can remain in school until CONVICTED. Nine time out of ten, the charge is busted down to a crime that is not reportable to FCPS and is therefore one you cannot exclude for anyway.

Believe me....I work in the school system and and I do not agree with any of this BS, but that IS the way it is.....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 10:39AM

It says clearly that students MAY be disciplined for acts outside of school AND/OR it results in a criminal conviction.

If administrators want to sit on their hands by claiming the AND/OR is an AND, then they are dodging their job.

And if they want to bring in the fuzz because a situation has risen to the level of "adversely affecting school discipline" but they don't want to go through the byatch process of excluding the punks, then that really sucks.

you don't have to expel, but you ought to discipline--no sports, no dance . . . it seems pretty clear that's what "deterimental to the interest of the school" and AND/OR means.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Pervert ()
Date: February 10, 2013 10:51AM

Where can I get copies of the videos? ;-)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: laundry ()
Date: February 10, 2013 11:18AM

wsawji has a good point. The schools spend gobs of time (and money) writing the SR&R and having kids read the SR&R (like the whole first week of school). Then everyone signs the SR&R. When something happens (and all the kids know it) and the SR&R is disregarded (even in part) for kids who are white athletes at an upper middle class high school, there is a problem. If these kids are not punished at all, there is a message sent to other kids. The fact that sports are more important than discipline is a message that is being heard strongly here. The principal of this school has done damage to the arts by removing one of the band teachers and forcing out the art and drama teachers (last year). The orchestra teacher retired. Meanwhile the sports teams have gotten new uniforms, new tennis courts were installed, etc. etc. I think he is finally getting that his image needs to change on this . . . but this case has brought these things to the forefront again. WSHS is a good school for the most part. Keeping academics and the arts strong there should be just as important as sports. One is not more important than the other.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 11:48AM

exactly, laundry!

and those of us who've been involved with WS for a little while remember this is exactly how Wardinsky got into trouble--screwing around with crap like giving retakes for cheaters and having recess in the middle of the day rather than dealing with kids who pelt disabled kids with food

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 10, 2013 11:56AM

question: what's really happening to the kids on the "street" level? Anybody know? Are they being shunned or treated like rockstars over all this?

Might be that all the kids invovled have learned that this sorta thing is cool, and that they've gained wanted popularity over all this. Just curious to how Spartan Country is seeing this..............

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: none* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 12:50PM

ok...I am going to try for one last time. And keep in mind, I do not agree with this. I am just telling you the way it is as of now.....

Here is what you posted from the SR&R

"Students may also be disciplined for acts committed away from school property and outside school hours if the conduct is detrimental to the interest of the school,adversely affects school discipline, and/or
results in a criminal charge or conviction."

Thats what it says......

Explain to me how 15 and 16 year old kids having consensual sex several months ago last summer is detrimental to the interest of the school, or adversely effects school discipline NOW?????????.

Sure....the behavior resulted in a criminal charge, BUT NOT ONE THAT FCPS CAN EXPEL FOR!!!!!!!!!!! Here are the ones that FCPS can act on BASED ON STATE LAW!!!!

1. A firearm offense pursuant to Article 4 (§ 18.2-279 et seq.), 5 (§ 18.2-288 et seq.), 6 (§ 18.2-299 et seq.), or 7 (§ 18.2-308 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;

2. Homicide, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-30 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;

3. Felonious assault and bodily wounding, pursuant to Article 4 (§ 18.2-51 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;

4. Criminal sexual assault, pursuant to Article 7 (§ 18.2-61 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;

5. Manufacture, sale, gift, distribution or possession of Schedule I or II controlled substances, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;

6. Manufacture, sale or distribution of marijuana or synthetic cannabinoids pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;

7. Arson and related crimes, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-77 et seq.) of Chapter 5 of Title 18.2;

8. Burglary and related offenses, pursuant to §§ 18.2-89 through 18.2-93;

9. Robbery pursuant to § 18.2-58;

10. Prohibited criminal street gang activity pursuant to § 18.2-46.2;

11. Recruitment of other juveniles for a criminal street gang activity pursuant to § 18.2-46.3; or

12. An act of violence by a mob pursuant to § 18.2-42.1.

Do you see distributing porn anywhere there champ????

Look....if it were up to me and most Principals I know in FCPS, none of them want these kids going to their schools and would like nothing better than to be able to punish them for these acts if they were guilty. Right now, due to state law, FCPS Policy, and based on the facts of the case as we know it, they do not have the authority to do that.

If you go expelling kids for having sex during the summer, you will not have anyone left in school. There is no evidence at this point that they did anything but have consensual sex with each other and recorded it. The evidence suggest the recordings were not even given to anyone other than those involved in the consensual sex. I predict this case will be kicked out of court because it has no merit within the law it was charged under....

Regardless of what happens in court, FCPS cannot do anything with the students.....like it or not

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y'all do realize that stuff like this BS is the reason we have places like MOUTAIN VIEW and BRYANT, dont you? o_0
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 10, 2013 01:06PM

@none - it's sad you have to hold yr hand and walk them thru it step by step.

@everybody else - LOVE how you think expelling the kids will "fix everything" - where do y'all get this "bullet to the head" mentality?

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Re: y'all do realize that stuff like this BS is the reason we have places like MOUTAIN VIEW and BRYANT, dont you? o_0
Posted by: kp343 ()
Date: February 10, 2013 01:22PM

I have not seen that many posters interested in expulsion. Kicking them off the sports teams seems more in line with the proven events (underage drinking) and the court will or will not provide punishment regarding the child porn allegation.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: An opinion ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:00PM

They should be hanged

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:19PM

Again I call bs. The SR&R says nothing about state law being the source of the definition for "conduct . . . detrimental to the school [OR] adversely affect[ing] school discipline".

You have asserted that because state law does define certain acts as meriting expulsion, that that is the standard for this obviously different category of acts which is "detrimental to the school [OR] adversely affect[ing] school discipline."

But its obviously not here. First of all, the notion that all discipline must result in suspension or expulsion is a STRAW MAN. No one is saying that. In fact, many above have said the opposite

My point is that perhaps it wouldn't have even got to this point if some actual discipline had been imposed at some point prior to narc-ing the kids out to the cops because after parents found out about it, and found out nothing was done, they went ballistic.

Second, making films of students having sex off school grounds is plenty good reason, once it becomes known to the school, for bouncing kids off sports teams, off honor societies, out of extra-curriculars. . . . Its just it seems the school didn't want to step up and do any of that because they were lazy, or these were athletes, or for whatever reason. . . . perhaps at some point they'll have to answer why. . . but none of this straw man shit about "not reaching the standard for expulsion" is going to help them then.



none* Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ok...I am going to try for one last time. And
> keep in mind, I do not agree with this. I am just
> telling you the way it is as of now.....
>
> Here is what you posted from the SR&R
>
> "Students may also be disciplined for acts
> committed away from school property and outside
> school hours if the conduct is detrimental to the
> interest of the school,adversely affects school
> discipline, and/or
> results in a criminal charge or conviction."
>
> Thats what it says......
>
> Explain to me how 15 and 16 year old kids having
> consensual sex several months ago last summer is
> detrimental to the interest of the school, or
> adversely effects school discipline NOW?????????.
>
> Sure....the behavior resulted in a criminal
> charge, BUT NOT ONE THAT FCPS CAN EXPEL
> FOR!!!!!!!!!!! Here are the ones that FCPS can
> act on BASED ON STATE LAW!!!!
>
> 1. A firearm offense pursuant to Article 4 (§
> 18.2-279 et seq.), 5 (§ 18.2-288 et seq.), 6 (§
> 18.2-299 et seq.), or 7 (§ 18.2-308 et seq.) of
> Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;
>
> 2. Homicide, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-30 et
> seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;
>
> 3. Felonious assault and bodily wounding, pursuant
> to Article 4 (§ 18.2-51 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of
> Title 18.2;
>
> 4. Criminal sexual assault, pursuant to Article 7
> (§ 18.2-61 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2;
>
> 5. Manufacture, sale, gift, distribution or
> possession of Schedule I or II controlled
> substances, pursuant to Article 1 (§ 18.2-247 et
> seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;
>
> 6. Manufacture, sale or distribution of marijuana
> or synthetic cannabinoids pursuant to Article 1
> (§ 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of Title 18.2;
>
> 7. Arson and related crimes, pursuant to Article 1
> (§ 18.2-77 et seq.) of Chapter 5 of Title 18.2;
>
> 8. Burglary and related offenses, pursuant to §§
> 18.2-89 through 18.2-93;
>
> 9. Robbery pursuant to § 18.2-58;
>
> 10. Prohibited criminal street gang activity
> pursuant to § 18.2-46.2;
>
> 11. Recruitment of other juveniles for a criminal
> street gang activity pursuant to § 18.2-46.3; or
>
> 12. An act of violence by a mob pursuant to §
> 18.2-42.1.
>
> Do you see distributing porn anywhere there
> champ????
>
> Look....if it were up to me and most Principals I
> know in FCPS, none of them want these kids going
> to their schools and would like nothing better
> than to be able to punish them for these acts if
> they were guilty. Right now, due to state law,
> FCPS Policy, and based on the facts of the case as
> we know it, they do not have the authority to do
> that.
>
> If you go expelling kids for having sex during the
> summer, you will not have anyone left in school.
> There is no evidence at this point that they did
> anything but have consensual sex with each other
> and recorded it. The evidence suggest the
> recordings were not even given to anyone other
> than those involved in the consensual sex. I
> predict this case will be kicked out of court
> because it has no merit within the law it was
> charged under....
>
> Regardless of what happens in court, FCPS cannot
> do anything with the students.....like it or not

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: SRO Wannabe ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:34PM

none* Wrote:
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> ok...I am going to try for one last time.
>
> Explain to me how 15 and 16 year old kids having
> consensual sex several months ago last summer is
> detrimental to the interest of the school, or
> adversely effects school discipline NOW?????????.
>
> Sure....the behavior resulted in a criminal
> charge, BUT NOT ONE THAT FCPS CAN EXPEL
> FOR!!!!!!!!!!! Here are the ones that FCPS can
> act on BASED ON STATE LAW!!!!
>
> Regardless of what happens in court, FCPS cannot
> do anything with the students.....like it or not

Explanation: You are misguided.

There are other offenses, not on your list, some of them legal, that can result in "immediate suspension with a recommendation for expulsion."

Just one example: Possessing a knife with a 3.0-inch blade.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Answer for GB ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:42PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> question: what's really happening to the kids on
> the "street" level? Anybody know? Are they being
> shunned or treated like rockstars over all this?
>

Depends on who you ask. If you are not their friend, the boys just say they can't talk about it. To their friends, the answer is that they are laughing about the whole thing, considered lucky rather than rockstars/shunned, and convinced that their lawyers are the best in Virginia who will get them off.

The girls, some of whom have lawyers, are mostly depressed about the whole thing and their reputations that were hurt and friends lost because of the videos.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: compassionate ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:49PM

Nota Lawyer Wrote:
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> In any case, this actually has nothing to do with
> the school.

Except that they all are forced to be together in school every day.

The boys should be schooled elsewhere, at least until this is resolved.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Funny Lawyers ()
Date: February 10, 2013 02:55PM

dWH7n Wrote:
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> there are no fucking victims AT ALL!
>

JUST LIKE SHARING A MOTRIN, OR RESPONSIBLY DRINKING ALCOHOL

> read the fucking paper
>
> the ONLY charge that may be brought up is the one
> relating to child pornography
>

WHICH, LIKE POT, SHOULD NOT BE ILLEGAL WHEN THERE ARE NO VICTIMS READY TO ADMIT THEY ARE VICTIMS.

> i will make this simple:
>
> if they never recorded all the acts drinking and
> sex then there would be nothing to charge at all
>

BUT THEY DID.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: college ()
Date: February 10, 2013 03:08PM

When it comes time to apply to colleges, they'll be wishing this hadn't happened. Another student or another student's parents might spill the beans about the arrests, especially if the kids lie on their college applications.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 05:28PM

I give up....think what you want....you are an idiot

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Spartan mom ()
Date: February 10, 2013 06:56PM

College-you really are an idiot. Tattle tailing on college apps??

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: none* ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:19PM

I will admit to being wrong, ok?

I was, and am, a pissy little fuck that was a bitch in high-school and am jealous of anyone having any fun, because I sat in the corner for 4 years to cowardly to participate in life.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: The rest of us ()
Date: February 10, 2013 08:48PM

none* Wrote:
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> I will admit to being wrong, ok?
>

Thank you. That doesn't happen much around here.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: tide ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:03PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> College-you really are an idiot. Tattle tailing on
> college apps??

It did happen with an FCPS student. A student who got into Yale had lied on the application, and the parent of a classmate informed Yale's admissions office. Probably happens plenty with students in the prep schools, too. Tiger moms, and all that.

Name-calling seems to be standard behavior from anyone who is connected to one of the students who were arrested at school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: nice pun ()
Date: February 10, 2013 09:04PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> College-you really are an idiot. Tattle tailing on
> college apps??

Nice pun with "tail" for "tale" by the way. Bet you didn't even realize it.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: amazed ()
Date: February 10, 2013 11:22PM

Any of the other schools that played games against WSHS should complain that these little perverts were ineligible and WSHS should be disqualified. If they were college players, the school would get sanctions. That probably doesn't apply to high schools though. The little buggers have no business participating in extracurricular sports and activities. The girls were not charged but they are being forced to endure an environment that is not conducive to learning. One of them apparently already dropped out rather than face that every day. The boys should be transferred to other schools, if not expelled.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: F katiesmith ()
Date: February 11, 2013 08:12AM

again you see Katie smith spewing out her bullshit about how to parent -my guess is that he or she has never had kids -if she has i would love to see how fucking perfect her kids are -these Wshs kids [when found guilty ] should be expelled and held accountable . Douchebag Katiesmith goes instantly to how awful the parents are as if she has any clue -you cant be with your 16/17 y/o kid at all waking moments of the day . They are going to screw up and make bad decsions and you really hope they dont do something as horrible as this situation . People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones and this bitch is all over this forum going after parents every time she fucking reads a negative story - your shit is getting old and until we examine your back ground and find out your kids are perfect you need to shut the fuck up

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: yyey ()
Date: February 11, 2013 08:48AM

So I was told that the girls were not having sex consciously, that they were just at a party, were drugged (not drunk) then boys had sex with them while they were unconscious, if this is the case, it is a much sicker crime

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: doesn't fit the facts ()
Date: February 11, 2013 09:00AM

yyey Wrote:
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> So I was told that the girls were not having sex
> consciously, that they were just at a party, were
> drugged (not drunk) then boys had sex with them
> while they were unconscious, if this is the case,
> it is a much sicker crime


If that were the case and it's on video, the male students would be locked up. This sure sounds like consensual activity. If anything, the video might serve to vindicate the male students on that point.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Judge said boys will be everyone ()
Date: February 11, 2013 10:18AM

Last night I had a dream that they said boys will be boysXz and fcps and fcps ha to pay the boys 100,000 dollars each.. The girls admit they wanted it and the videos where should on west springfiled girls gone wild

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Anon45 ()
Date: February 11, 2013 10:28AM

Regarding the issue of whether this is a "victimless crime" because "the girls consented..."

That is irrelevant. Possession and distribution of pornography involving a minor, even if it's a consenting minor and it was distributed to only one person, is still a crime. It's a strict liability crime. There is no defense. None. Whether anyone consented or regardless of how few people received the tapes, it's still a crime. Intent and consent are both absolutely irrelevant here.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: doriey ()
Date: February 11, 2013 10:37AM

Anon- you may (or may not) be citing law, not morality. If the girls were having consentual sex then there was no moral crime in taking pictures of it and even distributing, who cares in that case. It was pure enterprise. Why does everybody want to let girls off the hook as if they were just too stupid to know better (I am female)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: None* ()
Date: February 11, 2013 11:01AM

SRO Wannabe....

You are wrong again.....

a student in possession of a knife with a blade 3 inches or longer can only be recommended for expulsion if they are in possession ON SCHOOL GROUNDS.

This inccident we are discussing in this link occurred OFF SCHOOL GROUNDS and the laws I cited are dealing with crimmes off school grounds.

A knife with a blade of more than 3 inches is not illegal in Va in and of itself.It might be if it is a certain knind of knife or if it is concealed, but a typical knife with a blade of more than 3 inces is not illegal.

Let me dumb it down for you

If a student is in possession of that same knife on school grounds, he is in violation of the law and can be expelled.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: MYOPINION ()
Date: February 11, 2013 12:58PM

The sports were not school sponsored, it was a house league.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: WS Class of '13 ()
Date: February 11, 2013 01:42PM

The reason WSHS is involved is because the videos were shown on school property by the students who made the videos to other students.

The videos were shared among the at WS late last spring and this past fall and were then forgotten until one of the girls in one of the videos started going out with her new boyfriend. Someone asked the new boyfriend if he had seen the video staring his new girlfriend. He asks girlfriend about video she says they were taken when she was drunk and without her knowledge. He started asking around and found out who had the video. He was shown a brief snippet of the video and told the person who had it on their phone to erase it. They did, but that person was not the original owner. The new boyfriend found the original owner of the videos and asked him to erase the video of his girlfriend. Owner refused. Fight ensues. Facing 3 day suspension new boyfriend talks about videos, school resource officer brought in. Investigation ensues.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Try ()
Date: February 11, 2013 02:14PM

dumbass kid that refused to removed the videos.
WS Class of '13 Wrote:
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> The reason WSHS is involved is because the videos
> were shown on school property by the students who
> made the videos to other students.
>
> The videos were shared among the at WS late last
> spring and this past fall and were then forgotten
> until one of the girls in one of the videos
> started going out with her new boyfriend. Someone
> asked the new boyfriend if he had seen the video
T> staring his new girlfriend. He asks girlfriend


> about video she says they were taken when she was
> drunk and without her knowledge. He started
> asking around and found out who had the video. He
> was shown a brief snippet of the video and told
> the person who had it on their phone to erase it.
> They did, but that person was not the original
> owner. The new boyfriend found the original owner
> of the videos and asked him to erase the video of
> his girlfriend. Owner refused. Fight ensues.
> Facing 3 day suspension new boyfriend talks about
> videos, school resource officer brought in.
> Investigation ensues.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsawji ()
Date: February 11, 2013 04:08PM

The chain of evidence seems to support that the School narc-ed it to the police because they didn't want to deal with it.

Your tax dollars at work--take a pass on disciplining the kids at school, and let the county spend $1000 or $10,000 more by letting the cops investigate it

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: McPedo Bear ()
Date: February 11, 2013 04:13PM

This incident pales in comparison to the danger that has been placed upon the Rose Hill community by the release from prison of convicted sex offender Charles Rust-Tierney, or Charles Tierney as he is now known. Tierney was convicted of purchasing pornography that featured toddlers been bound and forcefully raped and assaulted.

Charles Tierney is child molesting scum and lives in our Rose Hill neighborhood on Climbhill Road and is very likely to re-offend by either seeking child pornography or his intent may escalate into assaluting children himself.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: not a fan ()
Date: February 11, 2013 05:09PM

I was at WSHS recently for a youth league basketball game - what a shithole. Looks like it was built in 60's and never touched since.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Blowtorch ()
Date: February 11, 2013 05:39PM

WS Class of '13 Wrote:
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> The reason WSHS is involved is because the videos
> were shown on school property by the students who
> made the videos to other students.
>
> The videos were shared among the at WS late last
> spring and this past fall and were then forgotten
> until one of the girls in one of the videos
> started going out with her new boyfriend. Someone
> asked the new boyfriend if he had seen the video
> staring his new girlfriend. He asks girlfriend
> about video she says they were taken when she was
> drunk and without her knowledge. He started
> asking around and found out who had the video. He
> was shown a brief snippet of the video and told
> the person who had it on their phone to erase it.
> They did, but that person was not the original
> owner. The new boyfriend found the original owner
> of the videos and asked him to erase the video of
> his girlfriend. Owner refused. Fight ensues.
> Facing 3 day suspension new boyfriend talks about
> videos, school resource officer brought in.
> Investigation ensues.

Finally, a theory that makes some sense. I can believe this scenario.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: vccv ()
Date: February 11, 2013 05:40PM

there is nothing wrong with the way WSHS looks, I can't really see any difference when you compare it to Robinson, that looks like a shit hole from the 1970's. I still like WSHS better.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Hysterical Historian. ()
Date: February 11, 2013 05:52PM

not a fan Wrote:
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> I was at WSHS recently for a youth league
> basketball game - what a shithole. Looks like it
> was built in 60's and never touched since.

AFAIK, West Springfield was built in 1966 and has not been updated.

Liz Bradsher's political career ran aground on that rocky shore when she voted to close Clifton Elementary School in a quid pro quo for getting WSHS moved up in the update queue, and all the Clifton parents completely lost their shit about it.

They should just rename WSHS "The Rock" for all the careers that come to a crashing end on it. (Bradsher, Wardinski, and it looks like Greenfelder may start floundering very soon.)

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Zzzzz ()
Date: February 12, 2013 11:27AM

Zzzzzzz......

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: GS-14 ()
Date: February 12, 2013 12:22PM

If this is the same mom who I think it is -- Please pick-up after your dog when it poops in our yard. Better yet, stay out of our cul-de-sac! I find the sound of your phony laugh, extremely annoying.

I do find it amusing there are others in this community, that have the same opinions of you, as I. Now, I know why I don't see you and your kid at the pool during the summer anymore. Fantastic!!


SpartanBBMom Wrote:
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> I'm going to have to agree with the decline of the
> WS area. When we moved to the DC Metro area from
> the west coast, with a short stint in New Jersey,
> WS was a great area to raise a family. Not so,
> now. I have a son at WSHS, as well as, a son just
> starting HVES. Gotta say - Yuck! The teachers
> are terrible. I believe it has to do with the
> 'new' generation of young teachers that just don't
> have the patience. The kids seem to have ADDHD at
> all levels. The PTA, talk about clique! If
> you're not in the 'know', they regard you as
> trash. Once my son graduates HS, we'll probably
> look to relocate elsewhere. Maybe somewhere
> farther west of VA.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: fuckface ()
Date: February 12, 2013 12:36PM

Actually, she wasn't the one that brought up the case nor was it her boyfriend. It was someone at your grade who came up to Plazio and told him about the situation cause she simply heard about it and snitced cause she thought that the whole situation was wrong. Andrew, Eric, and Tyler were actually scared shitless after they found out about the school knowing about it and they did delete the videos after they were informed about it and before they were raided. They have not, however, pleaded guilty to court and the only reason why they made an arrest was because an anonymous person dropped off one of the remaining videos that was somehow sent to him to Plazio's office. Since they haven't pleaded guilty, the department of commonwealth officers are doing some computer forensics work on that one video and some other videos that they somehow recovered, but since they were such shitty quality, they're having a hard time determining whether it was really them or not. There's plenty of witnesses that know they are guilty and they still are charged with possesion and distrubuting child pornography for now, but there's still some chances those charges could get dropped but it's still slim. The girls admit it was consentual hence the fact that they're not charged with rape, but it still wasn't right for them to be video taping them behind their backs and have them send to their friends. It goes completely against the girls right so for all you assholes who think it's the girls fault, it really wasn't. They had no clue what was going on and they were drunk. They took advantage of them and it's still not fair how they could walk around the same school the girls go to.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: justsayinn ()
Date: February 12, 2013 04:10PM

we read an article about this in english it was awkwardd >_>

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Ahhhhh... ()
Date: February 12, 2013 04:15PM

Hysterical Historian. Wrote:
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> AFAIK, West Springfield was built in 1966 and has
> not been updated.

It was "renovated" in the early 90's, but it was a shit job. The contractors ended up being sued by the county for the crappy planning and workmanship.

Immediately after the renovation, WSHS had several months worth of kids fainting on a daily basis. They never found a cause, at least not that they admitted, anyway.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Liz ()
Date: February 12, 2013 08:23PM

Ahhhhh... Wrote:
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>
> Immediately after the renovation, WSHS had several
> months worth of kids fainting on a daily basis.
> They never found a cause, at least not that they
> admitted, anyway.

I heard the well was contaminated, and there weren't enough students for the school so they were going to close it...oops, wrong thread.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: SRO Wannabe ()
Date: February 13, 2013 01:22AM

None* Wrote:
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> SRO Wannabe....
>
> You are wrong again.....
>
> Let me dumb it down for you
>
> If a student is in possession of that same knife
> on school grounds, he is in violation of the law
> and can be expelled.

So what happens if a student has a video on their cell phone of 15-year-olds having sex, and they bring that cell phone on school grounds?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: A Message from the Girl Scouts ()
Date: February 13, 2013 10:18AM

A message that is worth noting in this case.
Attachments:
girls.jpg

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: oollp ()
Date: February 13, 2013 10:31AM

not a fan Wrote:
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> I was at WSHS recently for a youth league
> basketball game - what a shithole. Looks like it
> was built in 60's and never touched since.

It HAS been touched since it's construction in the 60's. Touched by ten of thousands of vandals over almost 50 years.

It is a testament to the builder's skill that the place is still standing. Let me add that the place, in it's current condition, is good enough for the stupid motherfuckers that walk it's halls.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Anon45 ()
Date: February 13, 2013 11:37AM

doriey said:

"Anon- you may (or may not) be citing law, not morality. If the girls were having consentual sex then there was no moral crime in taking pictures of it and even distributing, who cares in that case. It was pure enterprise. Why does everybody want to let girls off the hook as if they were just too stupid to know better (I am female)"

Doriey and others: The Commonwealth's Attorney won't care about the "morality" of this case. There is no such thing as a "moral crime." It's either a crime as defined by the Virginia Code or it isn't...morality doesn't factor into it. If the girls are under a certain age, the law says they CAN'T consent, even if they did consent. That is why it's a strict liability crime. A kid CANNOT consent to being filmed having sex. The law presumes no consent for anyone under the age of consent. Morality has nothing to do with it and is not relevant. Stop whining about how the girls consented, it was all in good fun, this was a teenage prank, etc. The law does not care about any of that. In a strict liability crime, THERE IS NO DEFENSE. The boys committed a strict liability crime. The Commonwealth's Attorney has a duty to prosecute. Nothing else matters. End of story.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Anon45 ()
Date: February 13, 2013 12:00PM

Here is the Virginia Code section, in pertinent part, with my notes in <</>>.

§ 18.2-374.1:1. Possession, reproduction, distribution, solicitation, and facilitation of child pornography; penalty.

A. Any person who knowingly possesses child pornography is guilty of a Class 6 felony.

>> The use of the word "knowingly" provides a defense for someone who didn't know they possessed child porn. That means it's not strict liability. There is an affirmative defense. In this case, the boys can't claim they didn't "know" they possessed child porn.<<


C. Any person who (i) reproduces by any means, including by computer, sells, gives away, distributes, electronically transmits, displays with lascivious intent, purchases, or possesses with intent to sell, give away, distribute, transmit, or display child pornography with lascivious intent or (ii) commands, entreats, or otherwise attempts to persuade another person to send, submit, transfer or provide to him any child pornography in order to gain entry into a group, association, or assembly of persons engaged in trading or sharing child pornography shall be punished by not less than five years nor more than 20 years in a state correctional facility. Any person who commits a second or subsequent violation under this subsection shall be punished by a term of imprisonment of not less than five years nor more than 20 years in a state correctional facility, five years of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment.

>>"Lascivious intent" applies to "display" only. The rest is strict liability<<

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: halothane ()
Date: February 13, 2013 04:18PM

What in the fuck does that have to do with this thread? go back to eating your paint chips.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: curious3 ()
Date: February 14, 2013 09:31AM

Do you have a link to that memo or know where it could be found by an chance?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: URA DUMBASS ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:01AM

To: James and clueless parents Wrote:
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> This hearing was open to the public and the press.
> If you don't believe the info, see if you can get
> a transcript. Regardless of what you believe, the
> prosecuting and defense attorneys, and the judge,
> all have the evidence. I think the Fairfax County
> School Board should ask for proof of when the
> arrest warrant was signed, as well as the score
> sheet, and discuss with FCPD/Intake Officer on the
> criteria used to justify the detention order. The
> boys shouldn't have been arrested, and especially
> at the school. My guess, clueless parents, is
> that theft and vandalism score high enough to get
> a detention order. In despite what you think,
> James, the judge knows more than you.
>
> The school didn't hide anything; they don't have
> jurisdiction to investigate alleged activity that
> occurs off of school grounds.
>
> Obviously the kids didn't know the laws about
> child pornography, just like the assistant
> principle in Loudon County didn't know that law
> when he was asked to investigate similar activity
> at his school, and was subsequently charged with
> possession of child pornography due to the photo
> he was told to store on his school computer as
> evidence that came from the investigation, and he
> had to spend $150,000 on lawyers fees to clear his
> name due to a radical prosecutor. Otherwise, he
> would've been a registered sex offender. Many
> adults don't even understand the sodomy law in
> Virginia; if you're not married, and engage in
> oral, vaginal, or anal sex, you can be prosecuted
> (oral and anal sex are felonies in Virginia, even
> if you are married). So, James and clueless
> parents, if you ever engage in those activities,
> and someone accuses you of doing such, be prepared
> to hire a lawyer, cause you will be charged with a
> felony.
>
> Also, because so many young people use technology
> and share private info with each other, and
> because many states have not adjusted their laws
> and kids are getting into lots of trouble for
> child pornography when in fact it's sexting, law
> makers in states like New York, Connecticut, Utah,
> Vermont, Ohio, etc. have made efforts to separate
> sexting from child pornography. I wouldn't be
> surprised if the U.S. Supreme Court has to make a
> ruling on the difference between sexting and child
> pornography, just like they did with striking down
> the sodomy law.

"This hearing was open to the public and the press. If you don't believe the info, see if you can get a transcript"


I call BULL SHIT. Hearings in the juvenile and domestic relations court are held in CLOSED courtooms, if you're not part of the case, you get kicked out, including media. State law. Along those lines, you won't get a FOIA copy of the transcripts. What you do have here is a Parent of one of the kids trying to sway public opinion. Little shit stain sat in juvenile hall over the weekend? Boo Hoo.

Not kiddie porn? Some guy in Walla Walla Washington jerking off to it thinks it is. What you nimrods don't understand is when you upload images/videos to the internet, it's out there FOREVER. Scumbags in Belarus data mine Twitter, photo sharing, facebook stickam etc and the like for kiddie porn to host on their servers and monetize it. Even if it's up for a second, it could be copied.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: 3 boys who need fathers ()
Date: February 16, 2013 06:20AM

Public School Trash! A real father would work a second job to send his daughter(s) to a decent private school. Public schools are godless. Public schools are filled with kids who's parents don't give a shit about their kids. Not all the parents are shitty, most are low information voters, they are pre occupied with sports. What do you expect from stupid men raising boys. You are the company you keep...so lie down with these dogs and you will get fleas. Go to one of the private schools around here and you will see the difference. Nine out of ten kids at these schools you call you sir or mam. I know it's a hard choice for you ...new car or decent education for your kid!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: XW9X3 ()
Date: February 16, 2013 06:58AM

3 boys who need fathers Wrote:
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> Public School Trash! A real father would work a
> second job to send his daughter(s) to a decent
> private school. Public schools are godless. Public
> schools are filled with kids who's parents don't
> give a shit about their kids. Not all the parents
> are shitty, most are low information voters, they
> are pre occupied with sports. What do you expect
> from stupid men raising boys. You are the company
> you keep...so lie down with these dogs and you
> will get fleas. Go to one of the private schools
> around here and you will see the difference. Nine
> out of ten kids at these schools you call you sir
> or mam. I know it's a hard choice for you ...new
> car or decent education for your kid!


that is funny

fucking retarded, but funny

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: mo and dad get a F ()
Date: February 16, 2013 07:10AM

The parents are to blame here. These three boys have been raised by complete failures. The crimes committed are not only felonies they are reflections of the parents who are responsible for their character. These parents will learn the hard way in civil court. I bet these parents never thought their lack of parenting would result in raising a rapist. Were these three kids a future George Huguley? I’m willing to bet these families are without religion. I wonder how much time these parents spend entertaining themselves? I’m willing to bet they are the typical sports/T.V/movie addicted families with vanity license plates and bumper stickers telling the world what assholes they are. Mom and Dad you got a F in parenting here.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: XcNjw ()
Date: February 16, 2013 07:12AM

mo and dad get a F Wrote:
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> The parents are to blame here. These three boys
> have been raised by complete failures. The crimes
> committed are not only felonies they are
> reflections of the parents who are responsible for
> their character. These parents will learn the hard
> way in civil court. I bet these parents never
> thought their lack of parenting would result in
> raising a rapist. Were these three kids a future
> George Huguley? I’m willing to bet these
> families are without religion. I wonder how much
> time these parents spend entertaining themselves?
> I’m willing to bet they are the typical
> sports/T.V/movie addicted families with vanity
> license plates and bumper stickers telling the
> world what assholes they are. Mom and Dad you got
> a F in parenting here.

that is funny

fucking retarded, but funny

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: adgasdg ()
Date: February 16, 2013 07:46AM

Mo and Dad get an F: seems extremely simplistic, your concepts of good parenting. It could be worse, instead of not having dumbass religion they could grow up to be republicans living in some tracthouse working for the government, doesn't get any worse than that, I would rather have a rapist

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Private school parent ()
Date: February 16, 2013 07:54AM

I certainly agree that parenting is an issue here. But I can assure you that the behaviors on display in this case occur with equal regularity in the private schools and are responded to in pretty much the same way as well (lawyering up and proclaiming how "good" their child is ...)

The truth as I see it is that this type of incident could befall many a kid in this area. It is a function of what has become typical teenage behavior for the area (rampant early alcohol, pot, sex and phones) coupled with typical immature teenage judgment (or lack thereof.) I caution parents from assuming that their own parenting would prevent this from happening in their own families, because we are all fighting an upstream battle with today's culture. Luck plays a role.

Regarding the parents in this case ... One hopes that they are attempting more discipline privately that we would not know about (seeing as it is none of our business) in addition to hiring lawyers. Better late than never. But not yanking their kids off beloved sports teams (even non-school associated ones) is a tell-tale sign that nothing much has changed.

Good dads are really critical to raising boys respectful to girls. That doesn't mean being a virgin until age 23, obviously, but the behavior demonstrated here seems avoidable. My son would have great difficulty sitting down in a chair if found to be involved in such an incident ... His butt would be as red as his face and he would have no phone and no sports for a long time. Some face to face apologies to the girls fathers might just do the trick as well.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: all jobs have fun and not so fun ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:12PM

Good post private school parent. I am a public school parent, but if my son had been involved in this, he would not be going anywhere (much less be on a sports team) for a long, long time. We talk about this kind of stuff and he knows what the home discipline would be if anything like this were to happen. And he knows I'm not playing. This is what being a parent is about. Too many parents think they are the kid's friend. The kids need parenting and that means disciplining them when needed. These parents are definitely not doing their jobs. This is very sad for the kids.

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GOT METH?
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:14PM

ROFLMAO@ those of y'all assuming "parents" are even in the picture

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: SDa ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:37PM

these two morons espousing their crappy untrained psychobabble about parenting is infuriating. You morons who are talking about abusing your kids ("their asses will be red") are EXACTLY the ones that show up with the problems you describe. Get your heads out of your netherregion and get some education before you spout off anything (psychologist).

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Yourcrazy ()
Date: February 16, 2013 01:49PM

Well I for one want to congratulate these kids for successfully starting a child pornography ring at such a young age. It's determination like their's that makes for better graduates.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wshs 6 ()
Date: February 16, 2013 02:59PM

#6

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: smpierce ()
Date: February 16, 2013 11:52PM

It is frustrating to see that no one wants to claim ownership of this mess. And now my child's school has a "reputation" that will carry with her every time her school is referenced. Great for those college interviews...

What IMHO we have is a series of fundamental breakdowns at many levels: from the parents to police to the prosecuting attorney to the school and to the media.

Enough has been said about the parents making mistakes for parties of both sexes in this matter. The access to alcohol, free range of unsupervised phone/social media, lecturing on what appropriate behavior is. I think it is clear there has been a degree of neglect or willful blindness by what sounds to be close to 18 parents.

Let’s then see the police. Having MONTHS to investigate what sounds to be the equivalent of a handful of short blips of video capturing consensual sexual behavior and then electing to take the evidence to the prosecutor’s office in hopes of felony cases against a few boys who were not even old enough to drive at the time the videos were made seems like a complete overkill. What good can be gained about this? To prove a point? To show that the school's SRO can go beyond the walls of a school and investigate for months over naked kids fooling around? Everyone seems to agree this didn't happen at school, why are we sending out the resources of law enforcement to investigate kids?? Was there a hope that behind it all was a true mastermind adult pervert?

Then you have the prosecutors office. I have no doubt they "wanted" to do the right thing. But is the right thing really to publically charge CHILDREN with child porno statutes? Is it really the right thing to send police to go arrest kids in school when it is known that nothing happened at school? There is always discretion for the DA to simply say 'no' but someone clearly wanted to make a name for themselves. Perhaps they hoped it would be painted better in the public eye but I can't imagine how. They can stop it at this point but seem to want to imply they want to bring more charges? Geezsh when is elections????

And what about the school? The school is supposed to be the protector of our kids. WSHS and other HS in the area have a full-time police officer on staff, what good is that money spent if all that person does is open the door for needless public arrests and embarrassment to happen on school grounds? Where was the strong-willed administrator that should have said "no" and require the police to arrest the boys off school property? Every story that leads with "west springfield high school" could have been printed as "area teens" (recall they all went to different schools) with just a flicker of thought but instead the school's name is now forever tainted and we have a nice eternal smemorialization called the internet linking the school to these charges indefinitely.

The media too has failed. To hastily report rumors of drugs, unconscious sex (which might as well just be called rape), and overblow a story for headline-chasing-aspirations has now left the boys vulnerable to a tag that they are rapists (as if they held someone down, stabbed them, choked and forced sex upon them as oppose to what appears to me more along the lines of saying "wanna get drunk?" and have a fling with a girlfriend they may have had for years all while awkwardly fumbling with a phone at some point in the. Sure a bad decision, not unreasonable by the fact that kids record and snap pics of everything (food, dog poop, butts) and post them all as trophies, and the sex is not horrific in itself either. These kids knew one another and plenty of friendships turn to regrets and embarrassment through decisions made through puberty (and this was not rape) and now what would have been a lesson in growth for these kids has been taken from the courts and is now splashed all over the news and comments sections to dozens of stories.

Couldn't this all be avoided if just one of these many "protectors" of our youth stood up and said "Wait, we don't need to do ALL this." or is this what the citizens, the parents of WSHS, the parents of the boys/girls all want?

PS: To those who call the boys pedophiles and purveyors of child pornography: it is asinine to argue that same aged sexual behavior means these individuals are locked in the same classification as sex offenders who prey upon young children to fulfill some sadistic sexual attraction. To those crying such things, would this be excusable if the boys had sex with 20 year old females? 30 year olds? What if it was other BOYS rather than sex with girls? What if it was an old disposable fun saver camera that was developed and the boys passed around the picks to one another after school one day? Of if it was a best friend hiding in the closet while their buddy "gets it on" and vicariously having a thrill and captures a video? There is no way the legislature wanted to line up the sexting teens of the world for Sex Offender Registry and it sounds like the media, law enforcement, and DA's office is using such charges as a strong ax to scare and decimate the hopes of these boys. Is there not something more appropriate? Underage possession of alcohol? But no, Child pornography? How does one even begin to suggest policy supports charging that?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: WSHS Inside ()
Date: February 17, 2013 01:23AM

smpierce Wrote:
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> It is frustrating to see that no one wants to
> claim ownership of this mess.

Especially the boys and their parents.

Spending $30K on lawyers is not ownership.

By the way, smpierce, you are clueless.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Spartan mom ()
Date: February 17, 2013 08:51AM

What is that gross thing? Who would post that on multiple threads?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Right ()
Date: February 17, 2013 08:53AM

Yuk

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: E.D.B. ()
Date: February 18, 2013 10:31PM

smpierce Wrote:
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> It is frustrating to see that no one wants to
> claim ownership of this mess. And now my child's
> school has a "reputation" that will carry with her
> every time her school is referenced. Great for
> those college interviews...
>
> What IMHO we have is a series of fundamental
> breakdowns at many levels: from the parents to
> police to the prosecuting attorney to the school
> and to the media.
>
>
> And what about the school? The school is supposed
> to be the protector of our kids.
>
> The media too has failed. To hastily report rumors
> of drugs, unconscious sex (which might as well
> just be called rape), and overblow a story
>
> Couldn't this all be avoided if just one of these
> many "protectors" of our youth stood up and said
> "Wait, we don't need to do ALL this." or is this
> what the citizens, the parents of WSHS, the
> parents of the boys/girls all want?
>

You make a lot of assumptions there. You seem to imply that all the sex was consensual, and that these were "boyfriends" and "girlfriends" That is absolutely not true. The boys never took the girls on a date, to dinner, a movie, etc. These boys were only concerned with their own amusement, and took advantage of vulnerable girls with low self-esteem. The fact that the victims are having to sit in class with the boys every day might explain why some of them might say it was consensual and go on as if nothing had happened. But not all of the victims have said that. The school has failed miserably by not expelling or transferring the boys to a different school.

A crime is a crime regardless of who commits it. The penalty for producing child pornography should apply equally. But instead of sending these twisted little shits to jail, they will likely get a slap on the wrist and the victims will get no consideration. The police have not even interviewed all the victims yet. Very sad. This is not overblown, if anything it is under-reported.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Not so fast ()
Date: February 18, 2013 11:23PM

E.D.B. Wrote:
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> This
> is not overblown, if anything it is
> under-reported.

Then who called the FBI and why were the two agents at school last week asking questions?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Patient Explanation. ()
Date: February 18, 2013 11:38PM

Spartan mom Wrote:
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> What is that gross thing? Who would post that on
> multiple threads?

That is the picture of the vulva of a 50-year-old Indian woman suffering from giant seborrheic keratosis of the genitalia. http://www.e-ijd.org/article.asp?issn=0019-5154;year=2012;volume=57;issue=4;spage=310;epage=312;aulast=Nath

It was put up by the Poster Formerly Known as Inkahootz in an attempt to both insult another poster and generally disrupt the Fairfax Underground forum, which is a favorite hobby of his.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: E.D.B. ()
Date: February 18, 2013 11:51PM

Not so fast Wrote:
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> E.D.B. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This
> > is not overblown, if anything it is
> > under-reported.
>
> Then who called the FBI and why were the two
> agents at school last week asking questions?


Exactly, and it was not reported in the media. Unfortunately there is limited value to interviewing 16-year-old victims who still have to sit in class every day with their attackers. The school and the county wants to sweep the whole thing under the rug. Let the victims drop out and keep the perpetrators in school and on the sports teams.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: inconsistent ()
Date: February 19, 2013 11:33AM

FCPS is big on protecting victims in disciplinary infraction.

It is inconsistent with their past acts where they have removed kids from their base school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: oh really ()
Date: February 19, 2013 05:40PM

E.D.B. Wrote:

>
> You make a lot of assumptions there. You seem to
> imply that all the sex was consensual, and that
> these were "boyfriends" and "girlfriends" That is
> absolutely not true. The boys never took the
> girls on a date, to dinner, a movie, etc.

Ah, so this could have been avoided if it had been preceded by dinner and a movie? Please expand on that - could be a fascinating defense.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: BoomThread ()
Date: February 19, 2013 06:18PM

Boom. Look at the view count on this thread. HELLO FAIRFAX.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: E.D>B> ()
Date: February 19, 2013 10:46PM

oh really Wrote:
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> E.D.B. Wrote:
>
> >
> > You make a lot of assumptions there. You seem
> to
> > imply that all the sex was consensual, and that
> > these were "boyfriends" and "girlfriends" That
> is
> > absolutely not true. The boys never took the
> > girls on a date, to dinner, a movie, etc.
>
> Ah, so this could have been avoided if it had been
> preceded by dinner and a movie? Please expand on
> that - could be a fascinating defense.

Their defense, or the defense made by those defending them, is that the perpetrators were not just common predators making kiddie porn. In fact they could give a rats ass about any of the victims feelings or welfare, and certainly did not spend much time with them other than their 30 seconds of fame.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: whw ()
Date: February 22, 2013 08:02AM

when is the court date?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Parent de WS ()
Date: February 22, 2013 11:54PM

Oh my dear lord, people...will u all just take a deep breath and stop passing judgment. Let's hope our justice system works and all the facts will be out there. Heard a lot of talk bout girls n guys got together, got drunk (willingly), then it was videotaped w/ or w/o the girls' knowledge. Time will tell what exactly transpired. Stop judging.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: To parent de was ()
Date: February 23, 2013 08:07AM

Congratulations ... Your post bumped this thread back up to the top of the list, thus ensuring that everyone will again be focused on it even when there is nothing new to say.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: ReinaColgan ()
Date: February 23, 2013 01:49PM

Parent de WS Wrote:
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> Oh my dear lord, people...will u all just take a
> deep breath and stop passing judgment. Let's hope
> our justice system works and all the facts will be
> out there. Heard a lot of talk bout girls n guys
> got together, got drunk (willingly), then it was
> videotaped w/ or w/o the girls' knowledge. Time
> will tell what exactly transpired. Stop judging.

People are passing judgment that the victims were willing partipants. There is evidence that at least some were not, and the others may have been pressured and coerced. Why do we need to wait for the court system? It should be Fairfax County Schools policy for any student charged with a felony sex crime to be removed from the school and not force the victims to endure sitting in class with them every day. In this case the principal has not even barred those charged from participating in extracurricular activities. They are still attempting to sweep it under the rug and make it go away.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Former WSHS student ()
Date: February 25, 2013 07:50PM

ReinaColgan Wrote:

> People are passing judgment that the victims were
> willing partipants. There is evidence that at
> least some were not, and the others may have been
> pressured and coerced. Why do we need to wait for
> the court system? It should be Fairfax County
> Schools policy for any student charged with a
> felony sex crime to be removed from the school and
> not force the victims to endure sitting in class
> with them every day. In this case the principal
> has not even barred those charged from
> participating in extracurricular activities. They
> are still attempting to sweep it under the rug and
> make it go away.

This all smells like Steubenville to me. Sadly, as a graduate from over 20 years ago, I'm not shocked that this happened or that the attackers are back in school where their victims have to face them every day.

In my day, I had a teacher, suggest in front of the entire class, that I was into S & M bondage because my pants had multiple zippers in them. The jocks & cheerleaders were all bullies. One cheerleader's mom was a substitute teacher who let bullying take place during her class.

Sounds like WSHS is the same piece of garbage now as it was then. And it's the adults showing the kids that rape is ok, sexual assault is ok, and bullying is ok.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: Sports Watch ()
Date: February 25, 2013 10:27PM

Eric Speer had signs he was screwed up back when he was 12 playing soccer with me and his dad just kept fueling him on between soccer, swimming and all the other sports. At the end he is just a sex offender like Penn State coach!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: when the court date ()
Date: March 03, 2013 12:05PM

Anyone know when is the court date?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: RobYes ()
Date: March 08, 2013 08:38PM

Any news? Are the videos on line?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: aim ()
Date: March 09, 2013 06:09PM

Are the male students still attending classes at WSHS? Are the parents still using lawyers to protect the boys' records?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: It's the girl's fault ()
Date: March 12, 2013 01:01PM

Defense lawyers in the coming trial of two high school students charged with raping a nearly passed-out-drunk 16-year-old girl are expected to argue on the issue of consent.

Prosecutors state that the inebriated girl was taken to a number of parties by a group of drunk teenagers, supporting her to walk when she wasn't physically capable.

The prosecution claims that the group later sexually assaulted the girl while she lay unconscious.

But the attorney who represents one of the accused boys, argues she was drinking voluntarily and left willingly with the group of boys. He said: 'There's an abundance of evidence here that she was making decisions, cognitive choices.' 'She didn't affirmatively say no,' he stated.

The girl is not expected to testify in juvenile court when the case begins.

The defense attorney said of the girl: 'The person who is the accuser here is silent just as she was that night, and that's because there was consent.'

Others have argued that the Jane Doe was clearly too intoxicated to consent to sex and that this was something that has been confirmed by multiple witnesses.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Could be wrong ()
Date: March 12, 2013 02:47PM

Pretty sure the courts have set precedent that no response does not equal consent. Can't site any particular case at this time, too busy with my day job.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Wonderin ()
Date: March 16, 2013 01:12PM

Anyone know when the court date is for this?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: observer way over on sidelines ()
Date: March 16, 2013 03:56PM

Could be wrong Wrote:
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> Pretty sure the courts have set precedent that no
> response does not equal consent.

[I know essentially nothing about this or any other case so forgive my naivete]

I wonder if PRIOR consent is an excuse? That is, if someone is obviously consenting/has obviously consented then gets totally blasted to the point that any consent/nonconsent is unlikely does that prior consent carry over to whatever happens?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: no ()
Date: March 16, 2013 04:56PM

observer way over on sidelines Wrote:
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> Could be wrong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pretty sure the courts have set precedent that
> no
> > response does not equal consent.
>
> [I know essentially nothing about this or any
> other case so forgive my naivete]
>
> I wonder if PRIOR consent is an excuse? That is,
> if someone is obviously consenting/has obviously
> consented then gets totally blasted to the point
> that any consent/nonconsent is unlikely does that
> prior consent carry over to whatever happens?


That excuse would be mostly irrelevant in this situation, since at least some of the girls had not previously consented nor had they previously had sexual relations (with the attackers or anyone else.) The boys were predators who targeted emotionally vulnerable girls for their own amusement and gratification.

A "blasted" 16-year-old girl is not a consenting party in any event.

It's deplorable that the principal or school system has not taken action to protect the victims from having to sit in class every day with their attackers. They simply let the girls drop out if they can't handle it. It shows that even a felony sex crime charge is of no concern if the kid is in sports or the parents have enough money and clout. Maybe if one of the victims commits suicide it will be a wake-up.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Former WSHS student ()
Date: March 17, 2013 01:05PM

The guilty on all counts verdict handed down from the judge & jury today in Steubenville set precedent that silence does not equal consent. And that drinking and getting too drunk (intentional or not) to speak up, or to defend oneself does not equal consent. We also don't know if the girls knew what they were drinking or if the alcohol was further spiked in any way.

But being drunk does not equal consent.

And from the news reports I've read, at least one girl was *passed out* and that clearly does not equal consent.

Dead people can't give consent, and necrophilia is illegal.

Rape is rape. If there is no consent clearly and cognitively given, it's rape.

If these male students did what's been reported in the news: they're rapists and child pornographers.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: observer way over on sidelines ()
Date: March 17, 2013 02:06PM

My post wasn't about dead drunk people and whether or not they could give consent; it was about not-dead-drunk-yet people giving consent (in whatever manner one wants that to entail), THEN getting dead drunk.

Has such a person given consent?

The answer isn't obvious.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: bugslife ()
Date: March 17, 2013 03:43PM

The Stubenville boys will not be walking the hallways at their high school for the rest of the year!

Why are the 3 boys at WS?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Game over ()
Date: March 17, 2013 06:55PM

The one kid in Ohio got two years. One for the rape and one for the images.

Va should go hard as well...looks like one year minimum.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: similar ()
Date: March 17, 2013 07:20PM

Though the lawyers of the WSHS boys might whine that the Ohio case is not at all like the WSHS situation, to many parents, they are quite similar. At what point is a person no longer capable/conscious to give consent?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: March 17, 2013 07:38PM

I am an older guy, grew up in the 70's. old enough to be these guys fathers.
times have changed...back then you could buy beer at 18 and it really was the time of sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Incidents were dealt with quietly and under the table and the major incidents were handled in J&DR court and whatever happened there stayed there. The judge ruled, issued punishment and if it were a bad incident kids were expelled or sent to a state juvenile detention center. We would never find out because the kids were protected because they were juveniles.

Right or wrong, the world now revolves around sensational journalism. The law is clear and black and white on what has to happen with minors. When the school resource was told of the incident, the officer had to investigate. If a minor shows up at a hospital and the nurse or doctor believes a crime has happened, then the police has to be called. Remember when you were under 18, you could not keep a secret. Kids will be kids. And whatever happened will be on every tv, radio, newspaper, or social network. I imagine these kids wish they all could turn back time and make a better decision. It has to be harder than ever to be a teenager.......the high school football players in Ohio will have a few years to think about what they were convicted of.

The only good thing here is in this case everybody will get a second chance. Nobody lost their life. In 10 or 20 years this will be a distant memory and all involved will have married and have kids. They will learn from a mistake and watch their kids alittle closer. Too much out there for kids to continue to make poor choices. In time, may everyone forgive each other for an ugly incident.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Butch ()
Date: March 18, 2013 12:28PM

Isn't it time for these three young men to be removed from West Springfield High? The Ohio case seems mild compared to the multiple violations of the West Springfield High students. I realize the wheels of justice move slowly, but come on. Soon they will be able to be charged as adults.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Meade's Hillbilly Cousin ()
Date: March 18, 2013 12:54PM

RobYes Wrote:
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> Any news? Are the videos on line?


There are stupider ways to go to prison. I can not think of any off the top of my head, but I am sure there are one or two.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: student also ()
Date: March 18, 2013 05:54PM

Yes the videos are on line. Most of them including one with another girl that wasn't in the first batch. Look in a usual place for that kind of video and they can be found. Hint look for re-posted version of what got taken down previously.

Yes the boys with felony sex charges are still in the same school and the victims have to face them every day, or else drop out as some have already done.

Yes the boys were still allowed to participate in sports. Normally if a student is charged with a crime outside of school they can't participate in sports but in this case the principal liked the boys and guess he didn't think that producing kiddie porn and rape of passed out underage girls were such bad crimes. Plus they had to finish basketball season, which was important for the rest of the team.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: FCPS leadership ()
Date: March 18, 2013 06:18PM

student also Wrote:
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> Yes the videos are on line. Most of them
> including one with another girl that wasn't in the
> first batch. Look in a usual place for that kind
> of video and they can be found. Hint look for
> re-posted version of what got taken down
> previously.
>
> Yes the boys with felony sex charges are still in
> the same school and the victims have to face them
> every day, or else drop out as some have already
> done.
>
> Yes the boys were still allowed to participate in
> sports. Normally if a student is charged with a
> crime outside of school they can't participate in
> sports but in this case the principal liked the
> boys and guess he didn't think that producing
> kiddie porn and rape of passed out underage girls
> were such bad crimes. Plus they had to finish
> basketball season, which was important for the
> rest of the team.


How are the boys allowed to remain on sports teams and play? What about the students rights and responsibilities contract that all students are required to sign? A few years ago, an FCPS middle school student brought a prescription medication for her skin to school (no written permission note, kept it in her locker) and gets a harsher punishment than these three at WSHS. Seems like what these sophomores did is much worse than what the girl did.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: be truthful ()
Date: March 18, 2013 07:19PM

I thought the boys went to West Springfield but the girls attended other schools?

If correct, how do they have to see them every day and why would they drop out?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Blowtorch999 ()
Date: March 18, 2013 08:02PM

I just realized.......is this the same Westfield High School that had the heroin ring busted back in 2008-2009? Wow.......quite a rep that school has!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: March 18, 2013 10:10PM

Come on Blowtorch 999 -stay current

This year it is West Springfield on Rolling Road.

Other Fairfax schools have had other major problems. Westfield had problems a few years ago. Chantilly has had problems years ago. There was that major drug ring out there where a young man lost his life.

Now West Springfield did have a problem last year with food fights, students throwing ho ho's and other fine products at each other.

Word has it....pure speculation that other charges may be filed since the feds made their Spartan visit.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Blam ()
Date: March 19, 2013 01:54AM

So whats the deal, updates?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: student also ()
Date: March 19, 2013 05:48AM

be truthful Wrote:
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> I thought the boys went to West Springfield but
> the girls attended other schools?
>
> If correct, how do they have to see them every day
> and why would they drop out?


No, some of the girls attend or formerly attended West Springfield. The girls who go or went to West Springfield have to see the boys every day in class, hallways, etc. 16 year old girls are emotionally scarred and the school was grinding salt in their wounds. They would do things like drop out or kill themselves because of being young and immature and mistreated.

It added insult to injury when there was no action taken against the boys despite the criminal charges (felony sex crime). The boys were allowed to continue playing basketball and sports and pretty much celebrated as heros. The principal likes the boys because of who their parents are.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: lawsuit? ()
Date: March 19, 2013 09:32AM

Are the parents of the boys suing to protect the boys' schooling privileges and protecting their records for their future careers? It seemed like that was the atmosphere after this hit the news. FCPS has lost any last amount of respect I may have had for them if those students are being protected because the principal likes their parents and gives them preferential treatment.

FCPS administrators have the worst judgement ability of any group of administrators I have ever encountered. They seem to get stupider as they rise in the ranks. And FCPS never gets rid of them! Even TJ had one or two of them--parked there in a pointless admin. position because they wouldn't retire and FCPS could not fire them.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parent2 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 04:34PM

+1

too true--if the kids are athletes they are never punished in some schools

lawsuit? Wrote:
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> Are the parents of the boys suing to protect the
> boys' schooling privileges and protecting their
> records for their future careers? It seemed like
> that was the atmosphere after this hit the news.
> FCPS has lost any last amount of respect I may
> have had for them if those students are being
> protected because the principal likes their
> parents and gives them preferential treatment.
>
> FCPS administrators have the worst judgement
> ability of any group of administrators I have ever
> encountered. They seem to get stupider as they
> rise in the ranks. And FCPS never gets rid of
> them! Even TJ had one or two of them--parked
> there in a pointless admin. position because they
> wouldn't retire and FCPS could not fire them.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: and ()
Date: March 19, 2013 04:37PM

Link?>

student also Wrote:
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> Yes the videos are on line. Most of them
> including one with another girl that wasn't in the
> first batch. Look in a usual place for that kind
> of video and they can be found. Hint look for
> re-posted version of what got taken down
> previously.
>
> Yes the boys with felony sex charges are still in
> the same school and the victims have to face them
> every day, or else drop out as some have already
> done.
>
> Yes the boys were still allowed to participate in
> sports. Normally if a student is charged with a
> crime outside of school they can't participate in
> sports but in this case the principal liked the
> boys and guess he didn't think that producing
> kiddie porn and rape of passed out underage girls
> were such bad crimes. Plus they had to finish
> basketball season, which was important for the
> rest of the team.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: rdd620 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 05:18PM

where are the usual places to look for the reposted vids

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: rdd620 ()
Date: March 19, 2013 05:18PM

where are the usual places to look for the reposted vids

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: case closed ()
Date: March 31, 2013 07:33PM

was this case closed or did they go to court?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 01, 2013 12:50AM

where are we on this case?
are the boys still in school at west springfield?
do they still have the priviledge of playing sports? If so, WHY on both?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: go spartans ()
Date: April 01, 2013 07:27AM

Yes the boys are still in school and able to play sports. Have been ever since they got arrested. Ordinarily drinking and being arrested and charged with felony sex crime would have consequences. In this case the principal likes them because they play sports and are popular and their parents have money.

He let them stay and said if the girls can't deal with being in class with them every day they can leave/drop out/whatever. Yeah sucks for the victims but that's how the world works and he is teaching them all a valuable lesson. Enough money and you can get away with anything.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 01, 2013 06:52PM

Wow.

So, discounting half of what has been written here and applying basic common sense - If the boys have been charged, they should not be at West Springfield. All parties made mistakes here, you can never erase the events, the charges, the victims. The girls or victims are punished everyday they see the boys in school, every time they hear of the crimes. High school kids talk, gossip, and add alittle to the story. That is just part of being in high school and college. There has to be more to the story if the boys are in school. Maybe FCPS and the principal thinks there are no victims. This story and the Ohio story is alot alike, except Ohio views the story differently. In Ohio there are victims and there are a couple of criminals and the procuter there says more charges could be filed

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: RSigler ()
Date: April 02, 2013 07:57PM

Wow. I just read through this. Something definitely seems fishy with the school system response, or lack thereof. This kind of thing is what makes kids suicidal or worse... Hope we don't create the first female mass shooter.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: KillBill ()
Date: April 08, 2013 10:22PM

In utter shock at most of the responses here, but what is to expect really?

It is absolutely disgusting that those boys drugged, raped and video taped these girls without their consent.

you want to know why those girls didnt come up front to the polie?


because The HUMILIATION of RAPE is UNBEARABLE.

Those 3 kids dont deserve to be walking around that school, or have an education. Or anything that permits them to have a normal life.
Because those girl's lives will never be normal again.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Zccv ()
Date: April 09, 2013 06:24AM

LOLOLOL they weren't raped. The girls knew what was happening. They're just whores and that's that. Nothing else to talk about. They're just whores.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Must be eric ()
Date: April 10, 2013 08:25AM

Zccv Wrote:
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> LOLOLOL they weren't raped. The girls knew what
> was happening. They're just whores and that's
> that. Nothing else to talk about. They're just
> whores.


Right, Eric. Keep telling yourself that and that you are black. Scrawny little wigger.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 12, 2013 12:15AM

OK Spartans......since this has not been in the media since the original post........what are you guys hearing. Is there a pending trial here?
Are the boys still at West springfield and are they still playing sports?
What grade are the guys in, all under 18???

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Eric P. ()
Date: April 12, 2013 02:16AM

It's over. If the boys are good for a year the charges will be dismissed. No word on the civil suits.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parent2 ()
Date: April 12, 2013 06:17AM

Thank goodness the WSHS administration stepped in to save these boys' bright future! I'm sure the police and community would never have let this go without the assurances from WSHS!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: The judge says ()
Date: April 13, 2013 04:13PM

The WSHS case is over. The juvi judge gave the boys a deal that if they are good for a year the charges will go away.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Jessica Karl ()
Date: April 13, 2013 07:46PM

I hope you are wrong....

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 15, 2013 03:08PM

Too Bad this was not Ohio where justice was applied. No one can give conscent if their mind is blurred with alcohol. I pitty the girls involved. I am sure the boys are walking around as if they are the cock of top of the hill. While the Ohio boys got jail time, the Springfield boys got probation. But they should remember the Washington community will always remember their names and when it comes to college and a prospective job, these things have a way of coming back to thr surface. Too bad the justice system has failed again and the FCPS system and WSHS principal handled this so poorly!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Missed it ()
Date: April 15, 2013 09:04PM

seventies guy Wrote:
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> But they should remember the
> Washington community will always remember their
> names and when it comes to college and a
> prospective job, these things have a way of coming
> back to thr surface.

What were their names?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Blam ()
Date: April 15, 2013 09:23PM

Alright so.. either there is a massive coverup by the school that isn't really a coverup..

or these girls pretty much lied and are trying to protect themselves from being called whores.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Diane ()
Date: April 15, 2013 11:01PM

The thing the girls had in common was not that they were "whores" (they were not promiscuous by any means), but that they were all emotionally vulnerable; easily preyed upon and taken advantage of.

This experience has been devastating for the victims especially because there was no action taken by the school to remove the boys from the school or take any disciplinary action whatsoever.

The County has guidelines for when students are arrested and charged with sex felonies against other students. The principal and administration ignored their own rules. They owe the taxpayers an explanation. However unless one of the girls kills herself the school system will remain silent.

Rumor has it that the principal has the videos on his own home computer, including some videos the police themselves do not have. If that is true, may he go to prison and be anally raped while the guards high-five each other.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: yLTDK ()
Date: April 16, 2013 09:20AM

Tyler Uhlman, Eric Speer, Andrew Cox

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Principal fail ()
Date: April 16, 2013 10:17AM

The administration has failed all the students at WSHS for allowing the boys to continue to attend school and play on the sports teams.

If Tyler, Eric Speer or Andrew think they are off the hook for now, wait until they apply to colleges or internships. There is something fundamentally wrong with a person who would exploit another like this. It is demeaning and lacking in basic respect of another. No one wants the liability of a sexual predator. FCPS doesn't care if they are athletes and the parents raise a stink.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: They are free ()
Date: April 16, 2013 05:51PM

If you google Tyler Uhlman, you can find this thread.

Eric Speer and Andrew Cox seem to be invisible regarding this incident, at least from a google perspective.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Townhouser ()
Date: April 16, 2013 08:31PM

Most of these kids parents have very lucrative, high profile jobs. Easily searched last names on LinkedIn within the metro DC area results. If I were the disgusting parents of any of those involved I would take down my public profiles for a year or two. How stupid.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 17, 2013 12:55AM

Final Post For Me - I am really disappointed with the whole thing.

When these guys walk and receive their diplomas, the entire student body should make their feelings known vocally. Maybe at least the principal and superintendent can hear the cat calls and the three boys and their parents can also hear the cat calls. According to this blog, the rich boys got special treatment. And you think colleges will not find out about the incident - colleges now look at the student's entire body of work. And if these dudes think they can dance into a government job. think again when they do a complete background check for a security clearance. On second thought, their true punishment may follow them their entire life.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: adgasdg ()
Date: April 17, 2013 07:38AM

there are no "rich boys" at wshs, you are misinformed

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Make it count for Google ()
Date: April 17, 2013 08:02AM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Townhouser ()
Date: April 18, 2013 08:58AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sexting-case-goes-to-trial-in-fairfax-county/2013/04/17/4936b768-a6b7-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html

New post article that seems very biased...only has the opinion of the boy's attorneys, no comment from administration, no comment from the girls (however less than savory they might have been)...but then again it's only mentioning the "child porn" charge. Not the possible rape charges.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:08AM

Townhouser Wrote:
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sexting-c
> ase-goes-to-trial-in-fairfax-county/2013/04/17/493
> 6b768-a6b7-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html
>
> New post article that seems very biased...only has
> the opinion of the boy's attorneys, no comment
> from administration, no comment from the girls
> (however less than savory they might have
> been)...but then again it's only mentioning the
> "child porn" charge. Not the possible rape
> charges.
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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: head scratcher ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:23AM

Townhouser Wrote:
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> Not the possible rape charges.

Why would there be rape charges? All were around the same age and, according to everything published so far, all willing.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: But FFXU Does ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:48AM

Townhouser Wrote:
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/teen-sexting-c
> ase-goes-to-trial-in-fairfax-county/2013/04/17/493
> 6b768-a6b7-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html
>
> New post article that seems very biased...only has
> the opinion of the boy's attorneys, no comment
> from administration, no comment from the girls
> (however less than savory they might have
> been)...but then again it's only mentioning the
> "child porn" charge. Not the possible rape
> charges.

"The Washington Post does not generally identify juveniles charged with crimes."

Tyler Uhlman was arrested in the West Springfield High School (WSHS) Child Exploitation case.
Eric Speer was arrested in the West Springfield High School (WSHS) Child Exploitation case.
Andrew Cox was arrested in the West Springfield High School (WSHS) Child Exploitation case.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Johnny Law ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:37AM

Its Over! Because all involved were juveniles the details are not available to the public. The charges against all three were deferred with out prejudice, meaning if they stay out of trouble for the next year the arrest will be expunged from their records and there will be nothing to indicate they were ever arrested. However, any misdemeanor charge, include traffic offenses, minor possession of alcohol, etc will result in the charges being reinstated and possible jail time.

These kids got off pretty easy. My understanding is they apologized to the victims and the victims parents who agreed with the deferral!

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Posted by: Townhouser ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:48AM

Johnny Law Wrote:
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> Its Over! Because all involved were juveniles the
> details are not available to the public. The
> charges against all three were deferred with out
> prejudice, meaning if they stay out of trouble for
> the next year the arrest will be expunged from
> their records and there will be nothing to
> indicate they were ever arrested. However, any
> misdemeanor charge, include traffic offenses,
> minor possession of alcohol, etc will result in
> the charges being reinstated and possible jail
> time.
>
> These kids got off pretty easy. My understanding
> is they apologized to the victims and the victims
> parents who agreed with the deferral!

That must have been some settlement check!

Isn't it curious that the "comments" section of the Washington Post article is turned off for this story?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Dr. Seuss ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:17AM

They pulled their pants down.
They passed the cell phone around.
They lawyered up.
They shut up.
They paid up.



But will they repeat again?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: not rich ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:26AM

adgasdg Wrote:
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> there are no "rich boys" at wshs, you are
> misinformed

How do you define "rich"? Having income over a half-million $ per year is at least "well-off".

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: its on fox tv ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:03PM

They are talking about it on fox 5 news.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Trail ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:06PM

Sex in homes and cars
door opned because the care got hot

3 teens in bed boys recording sex acts
all 3 girls in case - all 3 girls said unaware of the videos.
nothing will happen to the boys if anything will get probation

they need to come back for setenceing in June

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Bryant ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:23PM

head scratcher Wrote:
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> Townhouser Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not the possible rape charges.
>
> Why would there be rape charges? All were around
> the same age and, according to everything
> published so far, all willing.


They were not all necessarily willing or in a condition to give consent. At least one of them was highly intoxicated to the point of needing to go to the hospital, and had never had sex previously.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: head scratcher ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:34PM

Bryant Wrote:
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> They were not all necessarily willing or in a
> condition to give consent. At least one of them
> was highly intoxicated to the point of needing to
> go to the hospital, and had never had sex
> previously.

We....just as a pointed aside...the police and prosecutors apparently do not agree.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Bryant ()
Date: April 18, 2013 06:10PM

head scratcher Wrote:
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> Bryant Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They were not all necessarily willing or in a
> > condition to give consent. At least one of
> them
> > was highly intoxicated to the point of needing
> to
> > go to the hospital, and had never had sex
> > previously.
>
> We....just as a pointed aside...the police and
> prosecutors apparently do not agree.


How do you know the police and prosecutors have spoken with all the victims and their parents?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Can't Believe How Swept Under ()
Date: April 18, 2013 06:15PM

Officials say:

Morrogh declined to discuss the Fairfax County case, but authorities have said two 16-year-olds and a 15-year-old from West Springfield High School were charged with possession and distribution of child pornography in January after they filmed themselves engaging in sex acts with at least six teenage girls. A source with Fairfax County schools said the videos were filmed surreptitiously.

Key word: surreptitiously.

The high-paid attorney says:

Rodney G. Leffler, an attorney for one of the boys, has said that all of the sex acts were consensual and that the 10 videos at the heart of the case were filmed at parties at the teenagers’ homes beginning in December 2011. He said that all of the girls eventually learned that they were being filmed and that the boys shared the videos among themselves but did not distribute them widely. It is not clear whether the videos were texted, e-mailed or sent by other means.

Key phrase: Eventually learned.

Sounds like agreement to me.

These young men are extremely lucky, and not just because they got laid by six different girls (whether they were awake or not).

Ten videos, six girls. I wonder who were the lucky ones who were filmed multiple times.

Kids are transferred from FCPS schools for a lot less than this.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: April 18, 2013 06:24PM

Im curious with the phrase..."did not distribute them widely".....

What does that mean?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: No know it all ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:40PM

wow, so these boys are guilty! Wonder how much of a punishment they will get.
Having sex with a drunk 14 year old and filming it. This is not how you treat women. Their parents must be very proud. No swim meets this summer for you!!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Observer2013 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:43PM

Will all involved students be in attendance at WSHS tomorrow?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Judge ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:46PM

Guilty, Guilty and Guiltier.
Sounds like two of them turned on the third

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: WSHSstudent ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:52PM

Humorous prank. With friends like this......

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: not of the hook ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:36PM

FAIRFAX, Va. -
Three teenage boys from West Springfield High School went to Juvenile Court Thursday facing serious felony charges for participating in the practice of “sexting.”

Initially, all three were charged with distributing child pornography, which carries a potential 20-year prison sentence. But only one of the three went on trial. The other two took plea bargain deals.

All of the children involved, the boys who were charged and the girls with whom they had sex, are under the age of 18. But on several occasions, unbeknownst to the girls, the sex acts with the boys were recorded on cell phones. The videos were then shared among the boys.

Sexting is the practice – common among some teenagers – of sharing salacious pictures, video or text messages on electronic media.

There was quite a stir at Fairfax County’s West Springfield High School in January when police officers entered the building and arrested a 15-year-old boy and two 16-year-old boys – all close friends. The three were charged with the very serious felonies of possessing and distributing child pornography. Two have now agreed to plead “no contest” to the lesser charge of unlawful filming.

One of the girls involved is 14 years old.

Juvenile Court Judge Thomas Mann cleared the public from the room when the sex tapes were played in court. The two teens who have pleaded out testified that the consensual sex took place at the boys’ homes and in an elementary school parking lot.

One youth said he had to open the car’s doors during sex “because the car got hot.”

One another occasion, according to testimony elicited by the defense, there were three teens in a bed, with the two boys taking turns recording various sex acts with the girl.

All three girls involved testified, one of them weeping. All three said they were unaware their sexual activities were being recorded.

Juvenile Court Judge Mann called this a “bad day” in his courtroom, but he acquitted the young man of distributing child porn only because there was reasonable doubt the teen hit the “send” button.

All three young men have now been convicted of “unlawful filming,” a class six felony with a potential five-year prison sentence. Juvenile court judges, however, tend to be lenient, and they have great latitude in sentencing.

All three teenage boys will face sentencing in mid-June. They are free pending sentencing, but have been ordered to stay away from the girls involved in the case


it will on their recored for 7 years even after they turn 18.
the

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Tom_Mason ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:45PM

That convicion and the two guilty pleas could result in some expensive civil judgments if the families of the girls decide to file suits against the parents of these three defendants.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/2013 10:42PM by Tom_Mason.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest
Posted by: MaBarker ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:46PM

Lets face it - the girls were probably desperate for the boys to like them and were stupid enough to have sex with those losers - but - hey - the boys filmed child porn and they should have to pay for their crime - stop being crybabys and pay for your crime you sick perverts!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:58PM

So, this story was on NBC4 today at 4, 5, 6, and 11 p.m. According to the news story, this is not over. A class 6 felony doesn't look good on a resume' for school or work. All three guys will have to explain their actions to prospective schools and employers. And you guys better hope the judge is having a pleasant day in June for the sentence date. Really, did you think you could keep a secret when 10 or so guys and girls are envolved. All you guys should know now that you don't treat ladies like this. In 18 years or so, when your daughters are dating, you should think back to this incident and the huge amount of money your parents spent on lawyers to try and keep you guys on a straight track.

And this WSHS principal, maybe the new Fairfax Superintendent will shake things up next year and put someone in that position that can create an environment of learning and disipline.

See you in June boys~

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: unfreakingbelievable ()
Date: April 19, 2013 12:22AM

not of the hook Wrote:
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>
>
> One of the girls involved is 14 years old.
>
> The two teens who have pleaded
> out testified that the consensual sex took place
> at the boys’ homes and in an elementary school
> parking lot.
>

Now we know that sex in an elementary school parking lot is not an event that will get you suspended. Not nearly as bad as sharing a Pamprin.

>
> One another occasion, according to testimony
> elicited by the defense, there were three teens in
> a bed, with the two boys taking turns recording
> various sex acts with the girl.

Nothing wrong there either. Especially if the girl was drunk or passed out.

>
> All three girls involved testified, one of them
> weeping. All three said they were unaware their
> sexual activities were being recorded.

Surprise!

> All three teenage boys will face sentencing in
> mid-June. They are free pending sentencing, but
> have been ordered to stay away from the girls
> involved in the case

Except, of course, at school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: parent2 ()
Date: April 19, 2013 05:57AM

Well, at least they got to play sports up until they were convicted.

We also now know that felony convictions are the criteria for the discpline of popular wealthy athletes.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: uX6Uc ()
Date: April 19, 2013 10:13AM

WaPo still not allowing comments on their articles regarding this case ...

I wonder how it felt to be the one (no doubt Eric Speer) hearing his two buddies testify against him ...

And finally, I am sure that WSHS will continue to allow these kids to carry on as usual at WSHS even though they are now all convicted. Pretty pathetic.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: time to transfer out ()
Date: April 19, 2013 10:42AM

but
> have been ordered to stay away from the girls
> involved in the case


At this point, FCPS has to transfer these kids to another school.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: June 12th lets all go to court ()
Date: April 19, 2013 11:50AM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Poor child ()
Date: April 19, 2013 01:50PM

For Class 6 felonies, a term of imprisonment of not less than one year nor more than five years, or in the discretion of the jury or the court trying the case without a jury, confinement in jail for not more than 12 months and a fine of not more than $2,500, either or both.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-10

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: bugslife ()
Date: April 19, 2013 03:06PM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: WPoo ()
Date: April 19, 2013 03:10PM

bugslife Wrote:
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> GUILTY!
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/boys-guilty-in
> -fairfax-sexting-case


We're unable to locate the page you requested.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: rdd620 ()
Date: April 19, 2013 03:53PM

Why were they undercharged? Should have been charged as adults. They need to be taught some respect.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Wouldn't you like to know ()
Date: April 19, 2013 04:25PM

Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves, unless you know these boys you have no right or reason to judge what kind of people they are! People hear so many different versions of the story & only the boys involved know the real one! & if you think that they read this & it effects them you need to re-evaluate your life because do you really think 3 TEENAGE boys care about what random old people think about them? Well they don't.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: they should ()
Date: April 19, 2013 04:56PM

Maybe the reason these 3 acted like barn animals is because they don't care what people think about them.

That and they were raised in homes with no morals.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wise random young people ()
Date: April 19, 2013 06:19PM

Random old people might not look so random when these boys are trying to get a job. One day they too will be random old people trying to talk to their own children about what is right and what is wrong. Old people were not born yesterday. Believe it or not, some cultures respect old people (probably not a bad thing).

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Girls/prosecutor misleading? ()
Date: April 19, 2013 06:23PM

So, let me get this straight...a girl had sex with a boy in a public parking lot, in a car with the car doors wide open! Really?!? Girl, you just admitted to indecent exposure, which can get you put on the sex offender registry, and that video and your testimony is evidence. People have been put on the sex offender list for peeing in public, let alone having sex in public. And, the county tried to prosecute a boy for video taping the girl and his friend having sex in public? Girl, when you have sex in public, you don't have a legal right to privacy.

And, another girl had a threesome with two of the boys, all three of them in the same bed at the same time, but didn't know she was being filmed? Really?!? Girl, you don't seem that naive. According to today's Washington Post, "The filmed acts were just a piece of the teens’ sexual life. One testified Thursday that he had been with his friends in the same room or nearby on more than 30 occasions when one or more of them had sex with the girls filmed." Girl, if you gonna be a ho, be a ho...ain't nothin wrong with that. But, don't throw the boys under the bus and try to ruin their lives in an attempt to try and make yourself look innocent.

This case reminds me of the stripper/escort who accused the Duke University lacrosse players of rape, which it turned out, the girl was lying, the charges against the boys were dropped, the state attorney general said the boys were victims of a "tragic rush to accuse," and the prosecutor was disbarred for "dishonesty, fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Prophet Muhammad ()
Date: April 19, 2013 08:12PM

The only sin is that the boys were Infidels. The girls were whores like any female Infidels. I married A'isha when she was 6 and consummated our marriage when she was 9. This was Allah's will.

Allahu akbar!

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: bugslife ()
Date: April 19, 2013 09:30PM

If you want to see the article go to www.washingtonpost.com and type in "boys guilty" reach deals in Fairfax "sexting" case.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Tom_Mason ()
Date: April 19, 2013 09:35PM

Girls/prosecutor misleading?:

(1) The key concept here is "child pornography". Videotapes depicting minors in sex acts are child porn. It's illegal to posses such images. Furthermore, distributing those images is a major felony. Minors can't consent to the production or distribution of illegal pornographic images. So, it wouldn't matter even if some of the "activities" were performed with the so-called expectation of privacy or not.

(2) The girls' statements that they were unaware of being filmed were heard by the juvenile court and determined to be factually accurate. Since you clearly haven't heard the girls' testimony, your comments about what they knew or should have known are pure speculation.

(3) The Duke case is irrelevant. The "stripper" was a legal adult and no videos were involved.

(4) I sense that you're not too pleased with the way the prosecutors treated the young ladies. That may be because you're not understanding that this case had more to do with protecting minors against exploitation than about engaging in back seat romances. So, blaming the girls is beside the point.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/2013 09:36PM by Tom_Mason.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Tom_Masson ()
Date: April 19, 2013 09:43PM

Nevertheless, the girls involved are dirty little whores.

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Posted by: () ()
Date: April 19, 2013 10:27PM

Tom_Masson Wrote:
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> Nevertheless, the girls involved are dirty little
> whores.


One of them might be called that, but most were just naive emotionally vulnerable little girls that were given alcohol and taken advantage of. They wanted attention, not to be raped. At least one of them had never had sex before, and had consumed so much alcohol she needed to go to hospital.

By the way according to the paper there were six girls and only 3 were in court. The police never even talked to all the victims.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: sandusky ()
Date: April 19, 2013 10:47PM

Send them boys to prison with me

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: SRO & Prosecutor Exploited Teens ()
Date: April 20, 2013 02:10AM

Tom Mason:

(1) The key concept here is not child pornography. This case was heard by the juvenile court, and the judge determined that child pornography doesn't apply to this case. None of the boys were found guilty of being involved with child pornography. The boy who tried this case in court, was found innocent on the child pornography charges...he did not posses nor distribute any sexual images, videos, etc. The key concept here, is that Virginia needs to amend its child pornography law (like many other states already have, or are doing) so it applies to adult sexual predators who are exploiting children, not like-aged teens taking pictures/video of themselves or of them having consensual sex.

(2) Since you clearly haven't heard the girls' testimony, your comments about what they knew or should have known are pure speculation. All the girls have to say is they weren't aware...it's the girls' words against the boys' words, and in most cases, it's much more difficult for the male to prove innocence. These girls are nothing more than pawns for the selfish prosecutor, who could care less about the public humiliation these girls have endured.

(3) The Duke case is relevant. The charges in this case now only involve two counts of unlawful filming, and the judge already threw out one charge of unlawful filming. Compare the media reports from when the boys were wrongfully arrested at school, and the accusations against the boys (leading a child exploitation ring, girls being drugged, girls being video taped after being passed out), none of which is true, and the public outrage that ensued (e.g. on this site), to the current media reports (boys go to court for sexting), and there's a very real chance that the prosecution could be involved with "dishonesty, fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation" in an intentional effort towards a "tragic rush to accuse."

(4) I think the SRO and the prosecutor have caused unnecessary damage to the girls (and boys). These teens were all friends, and were all involved in, and experimenting with consensual sex...it's all perfectly normal behavior for teens. The "dishonesty, fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation" from the allegations originally portrayed in the media, turned the girls into sluts, and the boys into monsters, which isn't the case...these are normal teens experimenting with their sexuality. The SRO and prosecution have exploited these minors in a way that drawfs what the teens did originally. And for what? So an overly zealous cop and prosecutor could try to falsely inflate allegations to establish a high-profile court case that could help to enhance their career? The prosecutor even tried to turn best friends against each other, to try to win the case. The main exploitation of minors in this case, occurred primarily due to the actions of the SRO and the prosecutor. Instead of the teens keeping this amongst themselves, the SRO and prosecutor unnecessarily publicly humiliated and defamed the teens.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: DustyDiamonds ()
Date: April 20, 2013 02:24AM

To the previous poster:

What kind of an idiot are you? Are you one of the boys parents coming on here to clear their good names? NEWS FLASH - what they did is NOT normal teenage behavior. It's sick, illegal, and indicative of them becoming sexual predators. Did you really want the school SRO do stand by and do nothing when these girls came forward? Give me a break. What the hell is wrong with you?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Sad ()
Date: April 20, 2013 10:32AM

The parents often give clues to the child's behavior. If that is the parent commenting, they think this behavior is normal. I feel even worse for those boys if this is their parents' view. I would be hopping mad and would have taken my kid out of the school myself (and out of sports and whatever else). There are people who don't understand what parenthood is anymore. Sad stuff.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: chill peeps ()
Date: April 20, 2013 10:57AM

agree w/SRO & Prosecutor Exploited Teens. it is normal behavior and thats why many states are changing their laws. SRO should have called in the boys and girls and their parents to let them know what was going on and let the parents handle the issue. I don't understand how this got so blown out of proportion at the beginning and alot of people are still focusing on what was reported in the news at the beginning which was not true and the judge was able to sort through most of the BS. looks like DustyDiamonds is the mom of one of the girls. are you saying that the girl who had the threesome and the girl who had sex in the parking lot are going to be prostitutes strippers or porn stars? probably not. if you are going to judge at least look at it from both sides and stop spewing your hate

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: chill peeps ()
Date: April 20, 2013 11:16AM

looks like Sad is another parent of one of the girls. what would you do if your daughter was having group sex or sex in public? what kind of parents raise those types of girls? are you saying the girls and their moms are whores? and that their dads are not good dads and gave their daughters low self esteem and allow their daughters to roam the streets getting drunk and banging neighborhood boys? don't be so righteous.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Old peep ()
Date: April 20, 2013 01:06PM

it seems like some young people think this behavior is the norm. Obviously a 14 old girl has no business drinking or having sex, let alone the others. I'm sure her parents went crazy when they found out about all of this. I know the boys are not much older, but illegal behavior gets punished.
Your thought of calling the parents into the school for a discussion is not enough. Many people would rightfully be screaming about rich kids getting off easy. WSHS had a legal obligation to call the police. Laws were broken.
These girls were not exploited by the SRO or the prosecuter. They are part of the situation. Legal action was required. The legal system proved a crime was committed.
it's time to put blame where it belongs-on these REALLY STUPID kids.
"You do the crime, you pay with time".
others will learn from this case. I've already used this as a lesson with my children.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: axtheline ()
Date: April 20, 2013 01:34PM

There isn't much good in the entire situation here but to put it in to perspective the underage drinking isn't anything new for teens. Sex certainly isn't anything new for teens. So you take those two things and add a cell phone and snap some video clips and all hell breaks loose. The story initially sounded like there was some lack of consent but now it sounds like the only thing that was not consented to was the phone videos, and the videos sound like they were just quick snippets that the horny guys couldn't resist taking. After the dust, the sex itself was consentual and at least a couple girls got themselves drunk without any help from the boys at all so then the issue really was just the phones. People call the boys monsters and pedophiles and the girls whores but it sounds more like things that have always happened in teens' lives just we add in technology, the law, and overbearing adults and you get this whole mess. It probably didn't need to be played out in court. Its too bad for all the kids involved and the school's name.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Yea ()
Date: April 20, 2013 01:50PM

The laws have not kept up with technology.
it was a kid who brought this to the school's attention, not just some overbearing adult. Procedures had to be followed. Legal action had to be taken.
You are right about the mix of things. Maybe if alcohol was not in the possession of children the sex acts would not have happened.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Tom_Mason ()
Date: April 20, 2013 04:04PM

chill peeps:

You're right about the inappropriateness of all the nasty comments. I revised one of my earlier posts to tone down the rhetoric. This situation really got to me, but it's easy to forget that these are just kids and that kids can't always be held to adult standards of behavior. Getting past this is going to be tough on all those kids and I wish them luck.

On the other hand, this was no matter for the SRO or the parents alone. That may work in cases of drug or alcohol possession. However, this is a graver situation. This country has adopted a zero tolerance policy when it comes to graphic imagery of minors. While there's apparently some disagreement about it here, the images in this case clearly fall within the definition of child porn. So, under the circumstances, I don't see how the prosecutors had any discretion. If you think the images represent some form of sexting then don't blame the prosecutors or the court. They don't enact statutes, they only enforce them. Instead, write your legislators and demand that the laws be changed. However, don't expect miracles because drafting a statute that will differentiate sexting from child porn doesn't look like an easy task.

One final comment: The prosecutors didn't persecute these kids and neither did the court. The two who plea bargained were able to avoid the child porn charge entirely. Considering the amount of physical evidence that was available to the prosecutors, that was a gift. It also looks like the judge bent over backwards to do the same for the defendant who went to trial. I suspect that the outcome would have been different for an adult.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Mary Price ()
Date: April 21, 2013 11:40AM

Yea Wrote:
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> The laws have not kept up with technology.
> it was a kid who brought this to the school's
> attention, not just some overbearing adult.
> Procedures had to be followed. Legal action had to
> be taken.
> You are right about the mix of things. Maybe if
> alcohol was not in the possession of children the
> sex acts would not have happened.

There is no need to change the laws. Ever since the invention of the inexpensive Polaroid camera and video cameras in the 1980's kids have been able to take inappropriate images of other kids. Any way you want to slice it, it is still child pornography. The Internet just makes it possible to instantly share with the entire world, and ensure that the images will be around forever. They can't be destroyed like Polaroids copies of a videotape.

The boys are very luck they were not charged with rape. At least some of the girls were intoxicated and not necessarily consenting to any of the activity.

The school's decision to ignore their own disciplinary rules and allow the perpetrators - while under indictment for felony sex crimes - to continue attending class and extracurricular activities with the victims, is deplorable. It has been alleged the boys shared additional videos with the principal which were never disclosed to the police, and they boys enjoy some kind of immunity for doing so. I hope the new leadership fires this principal.

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Posted by: fuck the kids ()
Date: April 23, 2013 03:48PM

Tom_Mason Wrote:
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> Getting past
> this is going to be tough on all those kids and I
> wish them luck.


ALL the kids are fucking morons - girls and boys. Is it the parents that fucked them up? Or are they naturally stupid?

Fuck them and I could give a shit if they "get past" the shit THEY CREATED.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: April 28, 2013 01:56AM

My last question to you guys on this. I know the girls were not charged and I am fine with that.....if they were drunk or partially drunk, they could not be expected to give clear concent.

The boys - I read they are under 18, but do they graduate this year. If not, do the parents home school them, or after sentencing them do they report to a detention center for juveniles. Are they still in West Springfield?

For those of you that are interested, Colt Brennan did not end up at Hawaai by his choice. Google his name. He was kicked off the Colorado ?? football team for exposing himself to a young lady and then got a second chance at life and football. It is not the end of the world for these guys, it may be the end of their world for now. But this country is a country that forgives and gives you a second chance.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: head scratcher ()
Date: April 28, 2013 08:28AM

seventies guy Wrote:
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> ...if they were drunk or partially drunk,
> they could not be expected to give clear concent...

I find it somewhat dismaying that people have completed ignored the in-your-face evidence of what "innocent girls" do quite willingly.

The Rabid Sorority Girl outright noted that her sorority sisters purposefully get "non-sober" to interact with guys; behavior that's been going on probably for centuries.

Purposeful.

Totally with "clear consent".

Isn't it time to stop thinking of females as helpless creatures who can't do anything for themselves?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: ???? ()
Date: May 13, 2013 10:46PM

Are they still in school? I thought the school board was meeting last week and I have not seen anything.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: wsstudent ()
Date: May 16, 2013 09:57PM

many of you judge the boys or the girls in the situation . I happened to grow up with some of the boys and some of the girls . I've hung out with the guys who never took advantage of me and my friends seeing (we were sober) .Not saying its the girls fault but if they had any self respect some of them wouldn't have snuck out of the house or tried to hang with older boys who obviously were known for drinking .The girls aren't 100% innocent . 1 of the girls willingly hooked up with all 3 boys on several occasions 100% SOBER .I have classes with the boys who were at 1 point great guys to be around now they are looked at differently after making drunk mistakes . & for all of you that think your children are innocent should probably be watching your kids a little closer. this isn't the first case of drunken sex or recorded sex its just the first time its blown up in the media . Believe it or not things like this happen among teens almost everyday not saying its right because its definitely not but its not something new

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: WS mom ()
Date: May 16, 2013 10:25PM

Your friends got caught and are now a poor example of behavior. It has helped parents speak to their children about unacceptable behavior. Your friends made bad decisions-not society.
You sound like a sweet girl. If people quit writing on this thread it would become old news and soon be forgotten.
You are not helping your buddies. let it go.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Athlete ()
Date: May 17, 2013 10:40PM

Heard the school was trying to have them reassigned...good riddance. They are an embarrassment.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: May 21, 2013 12:10AM

Exactly - they got caught. All of us do things that we should not do from time to time. Maybe it is talking on the cell phone while driving. We all know we should not do that.

But this is a major lack of judgement. Underage drinking to the point the girls are under the influence and their judgement is blurred. Then the sex and it is recorded and shown or sent to several friends. Did the guys really think that they were going to keep this their little secret. Teenagers don't keep secrets, girls and guys in high school gossip. This will follow them for a long, long time.

But, they will be lucky because their parents did the only thing they could. I am sure all the boys parents have spent a ton of $$ on the best lawyers they could get. They don't want their sons to face the same punishment as the Ohio case. Punishment??? Be glad you guys are under 18. When you turn 18 it is a whole new ballgame with a different set of rules.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: COURT DATE JUNE12 ()
Date: May 31, 2013 10:58PM

Court date is coming up. its JUNE12Th

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Curious797 ()
Date: June 04, 2013 01:07AM

For all the students of West Springfield who know the boys, or know of them, can you explain what the atmosphere at school is like?
Are the boys remorseful?
How are the boys treated by the other students?
What were their reputations like before all this happened, and after?
Do you think the charges are fair?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: seventies guy ()
Date: June 12, 2013 12:59PM

1 p.m. on the 12th.


Anybody know the punishment from the court. The Spartan World is waiting.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: S.A.D. ()
Date: June 12, 2013 01:41PM


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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: OffEasy ()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:01PM

Dude got 30 days with 27 suspended meaning 3 days in the poke.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: curious797 ()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:12PM

"The first of three defendants involved in a teen sexting case in Fairfax County was sentenced Wednesday. The teen was sentenced to three days in juvenile detention, 12 months of probation and 100 hours of community service."
I thought he would get more than that.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: curious797 ()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:18PM

"Correction: An earlier version of this story stated that the teen had all but 27 days suspended. He had all but three days suspended."
I got this from another news report. I don't know if he got 27 days or 3 days.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: community service? ()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:43PM

100 hours.

he better not be anywhere near my daughters.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: nbc4 reports ()
Date: June 12, 2013 03:37PM

A West Springfield High School student convicted in a sex video case was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in juvenile detention, with 27 days suspended.

The defendant, now 16, was led from the courtroom in handcuffs, reported News4's David Culver.

The teen was convicted April 18 of two felony counts of unlawful filming, and acquitted on distribution of child pornography and another charge.

Authorities say that the defendant, then age 15, and two friends recorded videos of themselves having sex with several girls around their age.

During the defendant's trial earlier this spring, a 17-year-old girl involved in one of the sex videos testified that she hadn't known she was being recorded. She broke down crying on the stand.

Two other girls also testified during the trial; three other victims did not.

Prosecutor Laura Riddlebarger said the victims will have to live with the fear that the videos will someday resurface even after they've tried to move on.

"Some of [the victims'] most intimate moments are on video,' she said. "...We can't be 100 percent sure they're not somewhere out there."

Defense attorney Jonathan Phillips blamed the media and blogs for victimizing his client, the young defendant.

"He cannot remove himself from the web searches," Phillips said. "He cannot remove himself from the limelight of the media."

NBC Washington is not naming the defendant because he is a minor.

He had faced up to 10 years in prison, but Fairfax County judge Thomas Mann said in court that he didn't want the teen's life to be ruined.

In a soft yet direct voice, he told the defendant: "I'm not going to lecture you, but some words need to be said, so I'm going to say them."

He said the defendant turned what was supposed to be "personal and private" into something "cheap and nasty," and while the defendant will spend time in a "physical cage," it doesn't compare to the "emotional cage" his victims are in.

The teen was also sentenced to 100 hours of community service and 12 months of probation. He must also undergo a drug/alcohol evaluation and take victim impact courses.

Mann promised to reduce the felonies to misdemeanors after 12 months if the defendant did something to contribute to the community.

"You need to choose what you will do to make this community great to in some way atone for your actions," he said.

He told the defendant he needed to be a "blessing for this community rather than a source of darkness."

The teen will take his last final exam for the school year Friday while in a juvenile detention facility.

The defendant's lawyer said they have decided not to appeal at this time, Culver reported. An appeal could have created the possibility of a stricter sentence.

The other two teenage boys in the case accepted plea bargains and will be sentenced Thursday. They face up to five years in the case.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: court ()
Date: June 12, 2013 03:38PM

I am going to court for an unrelated event tomorrow. I will try to enter the room if I am allowed and I will post everything that happens

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: comments ()
Date: June 12, 2013 03:42PM

The lawyer sounds like a prick.

I like the whole atonement theme from the judge--give the kid a change to redeem himself to the community and hopefully victim.

Step one is admitting what he did was pretty horrible.

Don't see much showing he feels bad about what he did.

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: GUDmt ()
Date: June 12, 2013 09:12PM

head scratcher Wrote:
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> Isn't it time to stop thinking of females as
> helpless creatures who can't do anything for
> themselves?

the cunts want it both ways

they most likely wanted to fuck, only when the recording came out was there problems


how long between this party and the video coming out? where was the outrage in between?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: you thought ()
Date: June 13, 2013 04:00PM

What happened to the other two boys?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: criminal; ()
Date: June 13, 2013 04:10PM

you thought Wrote:
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> What happened to the other two boys?


I went to to court today for an unrealted matter and the court room was locked at 11am not sure what time it was herd

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: curious797 ()
Date: June 13, 2013 10:11PM

"Judge Thomas P. Mann ordered each teen to perform 100 hours of community service and imposed 30-day suspended sentences. Mann said that if the two teens engage in a civic project to better the community, he would consider reducing the felony charges to misdemeanors."

Light sentences if you asked me.

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Posted by: curious797 ()
Date: June 13, 2013 10:17PM

"The judge has sternly warned all three teenage boys to have no contact with any of the girls who were recorded in intimate encounters. All three boys have also transferred to new high schools."

"In court on Thursday, both teenagers expressed remorse and took full responsibility for the acts"

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Ivefuckedoneofthem ()
Date: June 14, 2013 12:21PM

So who was behind It all? Eric and Tyler? Or Andrew

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: curious797 ()
Date: June 15, 2013 07:18AM

Ivefuckedoneofthem is your name accurate or are you being cheeky? Do you know the boys?

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Re: West Springfield High arrest [3 arrested in child pornography case]
Posted by: Ivefuckedoneofthem ()
Date: June 15, 2013 09:40AM

I do know the boys yes, I'm just curious

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