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FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: crazy about you ()
Date: January 07, 2013 02:37PM

...do something to them individually if they don't like the kid's profile.

Cool, huh? FCPS getting into the medical field. MUCH more interesting than education, I guess.

You'll be reading more about this soon, I'd bet.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: OhMyGawd!!! ()
Date: January 07, 2013 03:09PM

Paranoid much?

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: January 07, 2013 03:11PM

it's the proctological screenings that I'm opposed to....

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: crazy about you ()
Date: January 07, 2013 03:14PM

OhMyGawd!!! Wrote:
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> Paranoid much?

When a school takes a psychological survey and records the answers per student, then takes action with that student per the answers the student gave, I get paranoid.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: OhMyGawd!!! ()
Date: January 07, 2013 03:20PM

crazy about you Wrote:
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> OhMyGawd!!! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Paranoid much?
>
> When a school takes a psychological survey and
> records the answers per student, then takes action
> with that student per the answers the student
> gave, I get paranoid.

What did your kid do? Sounds messed up.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Ogien ()
Date: January 07, 2013 03:30PM

OP, absolutely. Thank the good lord that students basic psychological checkups weren't done in Columbine back in the 90s. I can't even imagine the kind of damage such screenings might have caused. I suggest we stop health screenings for scoliosis too, while we're at it.


Paranoid Freak.



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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Bea ()
Date: January 07, 2013 04:34PM

I remember a time when kids did not need to be profiled, when they were not all put on drugs -- maybe none where, when school shootings were not even heard of. Perhaps we grew up too fast and into something we never intended (with help of course). I suspect we have all been a bit nearsighted and need to open our eyes before it is too late, if it isn't already.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: not to worry ()
Date: January 07, 2013 04:38PM

If the kids parents dont support Obama they are held back for further indoctrination.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: holy crap this cant be true ()
Date: January 07, 2013 04:43PM

Bea Wrote:
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> I remember a time when kids did not need to be
> profiled, when they were not all put on drugs --
> maybe none where, when school shootings were not
> even heard of. Perhaps we grew up too fast and
> into something we never intended (with help of
> course). I suspect we have all been a bit
> nearsighted and need to open our eyes before it is
> too late, if it isn't already.

I remember those days, too, Aunt Bea. The birds sung every morning, the dewy grass was lush and green, the mountain lilacs drifted in the breeze, and love, sweet love, it was in the air...all around us.

May the class of 1825 Rock On

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Bagre ()
Date: January 07, 2013 04:54PM

crazy about you Wrote:
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> OhMyGawd!!! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Paranoid much?
>
> When a school takes a psychological survey and
> records the answers per student, then takes action
> with that student per the answers the student
> gave, I get paranoid.


And you'd be here bitching that it was the schools fault that your kid committed suicide.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: mmmm ()
Date: January 07, 2013 05:04PM

are you referencing the survey given to 6th and 8th graders (and older hs students) that asks about their drug/alchol use, sexual experience, etc.?

you can opt-out and should, if this is what you mean.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: gsgs ()
Date: January 07, 2013 05:07PM

there is nothing too paranoid for FCPS, and in that particular survey I know the kids are faking, having fun with the answers, they will have to go after alot of kids. I HATE FCPS

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: nxnxn ()
Date: January 07, 2013 05:09PM

in terms of preventing suicide, that survey would do NOTHING at all to prevent anything, I wouldn't tell them anything, don't EVER trust FCPS (I am a mental health professional) seen too many horror stories

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 07, 2013 05:21PM

oh NOES!!! a SURVEY!!!!!

@nxnxn - a mental health professional that obviously needs a little help with they own paranoia LoLz

@bagre - damned if they do, etc.....

@holy crap = sooooo +1. Bea forgot to mention that there was no air conditioning or electricity back then either...............

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: crazy about you ()
Date: January 07, 2013 05:32PM

mmmm Wrote:
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> are you referencing the survey given to 6th and
> 8th graders (and older hs students) that asks
> about their drug/alchol use, sexual experience,
> etc.?

No, that is an anonymous survey that is just gathering general unattributed information about kids. My kid(s) take those without problem.

>
> you can opt-out and should...

One can opt out of this intrusive nonanonymous survey as well - and we did just because it IS nonanonymous.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 07, 2013 06:04PM

@crazy - just curious - what were you afraid of?

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: FCPS Shrink ()
Date: January 07, 2013 06:59PM

Because there are a lot of overpaid, underworked do-nothings and administrators on the payroll trying to pretend to be somehow relevant to the education process. We like to call it "liberalism". Big government = Better government!

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Journal News ()
Date: January 07, 2013 07:14PM

Good. Put the crazy ones on an interactive map so we can watch out for those little psychos.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: newgatedenizen ()
Date: January 07, 2013 08:07PM

This is what crazy was referring to.
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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Butt they'll lie ()
Date: January 07, 2013 08:19PM

Journal News Wrote:
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> Good. Put the crazy ones on an interactive map so
> we can watch out for those little psychos.

No this won't do anything to screen the psychos. They may be ape shit nutso but they aren't crazy enough to actually give honest answers..

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Oh please ()
Date: January 07, 2013 08:44PM

Okay, calm down people. It's only a depression screening. Most high schools in FCPS do it. All they do is look for risk factors and they immediately contact the parents to alert them and recommend taking them to a mental health professional for evaluation. No need to get your undies in a wad, they are not violating your kids rights, just doing their jobs.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Nip it! Nip it in the bud! ()
Date: January 07, 2013 08:49PM

Oh please Wrote:
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> Okay, calm down people. It's only a depression
> screening. Most high schools in FCPS do it. All
> they do is look for risk factors and they
> immediately contact the parents to alert them and
> recommend taking them to a mental health
> professional for evaluation. No need to get your
> undies in a wad, they are not violating your kids
> rights, just doing their jobs.


Map those little fuckers before they kill somebody.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: liar ()
Date: January 07, 2013 08:56PM

69% of high school students lie on surveys.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: newgatedenizen ()
Date: January 07, 2013 08:57PM

Oh please Wrote:
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> Okay, calm down people. It's only a depression
> screening. Most high schools in FCPS do it. All
> they do is look for risk factors and they
> immediately contact the parents to alert them and
> recommend taking them to a mental health
> professional for evaluation. No need to get your
> undies in a wad, they are not violating your kids
> rights, just doing their jobs.


Since when is this the job of the FCPS?

But what I really want to know is:
a) since the survey is not anonymous is it part of the student's permanent record?
b) if it is - who gets to look at it?

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: StatShack ()
Date: January 07, 2013 08:58PM

liar Wrote:
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> 69% of high school students lie on surveys.


Including the one upon which this stat is based.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Oh please ()
Date: January 07, 2013 09:12PM

>
>
>
> Since when is this the job of the FCPS?
>
> But what I really want to know is:
> a) since the survey is not anonymous is it part of the student's permanent record?
> b) if it is - who gets to look at it?


Ummm it's very much the job of counselors, psychologists, and other school personnel who are responsible for the safety of your child and thousands of others during the school day. It is NOT part of a student's record. It is looked at by school personnel to determine if students are displaying any signs of depression, suicide, etc.

You can't win in this county. If a kid were to commit suicide, the first thing people would ask is "Did the school to anything to help the kid?" Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Nothing wrong with a general screening to try and prevent some sort of tragedy. You always have the right to opt your kid out if you feel it's a violation of something.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Jody Taxpayer ()
Date: January 07, 2013 09:35PM

A clear waste of taxpayer money. Obviously, FCPS has too big a budget.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: newgatedenizen ()
Date: January 07, 2013 10:36PM

Oh please Wrote:
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> Ummm it's very much the job of counselors,
> psychologists, and other school personnel who are
> responsible for the safety of your child and
> thousands of others during the school day.

Is there any reasonable expectation that there is an actionable and adequate plan in place to effectively deal with any "issues" that are brought to light by the survey? Or is this just a bunch of busybodies looking to justify their existence? Does FCPS have a good track record of dealing with kids in the past who have been in counseling? Why I am paying for psychologists for other people's kids?

> It is NOT part of a student's record. It is looked at by
> school personnel to determine if students are
> displaying any signs of depression, suicide, etc.

What is the final disposition of the survey? Is any hard copy or electronic record kept permanently?


> You can't win in this county. If a kid were to
> commit suicide, the first thing people would ask
> is "Did the school to anything to help the kid?"
> Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Quite true - but only an idiot would FIRST look at the school system. Policy based on people's stupidity is questionable. And if the idea is to protect the school system from questions - it would lead me to believe records will be kept - otherwise how could the school answer any questions after a tragedy?


> Nothing wrong with a general screening to try and
> prevent some sort of tragedy. You always have the
> right to opt your kid out if you feel it's a
> violation of something.

As long as it's for the children and/or could possibly prevent a tragedy - sure ANYTHING goes.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: sgfdgfd ()
Date: January 08, 2013 10:09AM

Once again, there is nothing in this survey or action that would prevent a tragedy, would it hurt you too much to actually critique and think?

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: CYA ()
Date: January 08, 2013 10:41AM

sgfdgfd Wrote:
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> Once again, there is nothing in this survey or
> action that would prevent a tragedy, would it hurt
> you too much to actually critique and think?


Correct. It's yet another example of an easy, bullshit "solution" that doesn't really do anything other than serve as a cover your ass measure which some consultant/administrator who were paid way too much came up with under contract to FCPS in response to "We have to do something!" about student depression and suicide.

The only thing that will come of this is that some similar person/group will take the data and skew it for their own purposes to say that results of the survey indicate up to 40% of students show some signs of depression so you need to pay me to do more research, come up with screening methods, develop an approach to address, etc. Again, none of which will do much of anything in any real way to deal with actual people/root causes.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Violavetter ()
Date: January 08, 2013 01:31PM

They are not going to throw the results away anytime soon, if ever.

This is more the parents job to decide yea or nay on this, not the county's, and they know that, so they give an opt out... rather than an opt in.

Too many children on too many drugs can't be a good thing. What is happening that causes every child around to need to be on drugs?

? what part does GMO and Harmones in everyday food play in this... any?

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But Gordon!! Gub-Mint comin to take my Bay-BEES!!!!!!
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 08, 2013 05:26PM

lmao@all the ppl afraid of FCPS and this survey.

No, this damn survey aint a magic bullet that's gonna fix whatever it is you have in yr head that you think FCPS can supernaturally fix

all it is an attempt to get a clue on a situation of which they admit they have NO IDEA how serious (or non-serious) it is - hence the survey.

are ppl gonna lie - of COURSE? but at least it's better to try to do something instead of just say "fuck it - let's twiddle our thumbs"

I notice in all the bitching I see on this page, not ONE SINGLE POST on how schools and parents could work together to get an better idea on the psychological state of our kids.

And I see at least FCPS trying to get a better idea on it - dunno why anybody'd be scar-d by any of this..........................

seriously, what sort of parent are you that you would WILLINGLY send yr child EVERYDAY to a place, have them stay there for HOURS on end, and not generally trust the fuckers who work there? All afraid of a survey. sheesh............

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Re: But Gordon!! Gub-Mint comin to take my Bay-BEES!!!!!!
Posted by: newgatedenizen ()
Date: January 08, 2013 05:54PM

Nice straw man arguments there. (for your reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)

I didn't see anyone say anything about being "afraid" of a survey. Any responsible parent would raise questions about having a 1 week notice that their child is going to be psychologically profiled and then possibly interrogated if their profile raises concerns (parents to be notified later of course).

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Re: But Gordon!! Gub-Mint comin to take my Bay-BEES!!!!!!
Posted by: Next ()
Date: January 08, 2013 05:59PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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>
> all it is an attempt to get a clue on a situation
> of which they admit they have NO IDEA how serious
> (or non-serious) it is - hence the survey.
>

So, and what happens then?

Be specific, not your usual round-about bs.

There already are tons of studies re the same which can be reasonably extrapolated to FCPS. Not much need for another survey other than for administrative purposes. Even if you assume that some action(s) need to be taken, the money would be better spent there.

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Re: But Gordon!! Gub-Mint comin to take my Bay-BEES!!!!!!
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: January 08, 2013 06:47PM

newgatedenizen Wrote:
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> Nice straw man arguments there. (for your
> reference:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)
>
> I didn't see anyone say anything about being
> "afraid" of a survey. Any responsible parent
> would raise questions about having a 1 week notice
> that their child is going to be psychologically
> profiled and then possibly interrogated if their
> profile raises concerns (parents to be notified
> later of course).


You're getting hammered on here, but I agree with you. I will be opting my kid out of this if it filters into the middle schools. It's not the school's place to do this and I have not an ounce of trust that they will limit that information to "depression" screening.

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Been There, Done That ()
Date: January 08, 2013 08:18PM

If your kid has special needs and requires an IEP (individualized education program), the child is required to undergo psychological testing either through FCPS or by an outside service (which you pay for). Parents have come to understand that you DO NOT let FCPS do the testing. You find a way to pay for it yourself.

If I had still had a child in FCPS, I would absolutely opt out of this kind of testing.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: kfkhg ()
Date: January 09, 2013 07:38AM

and I would also add- to be careful where you have your kid tested outside the FCPS system- the George Mason Psych Lab used to be independent, now when FCPS sends you there they just confirm whatever crap the system has in mind for your kid, so look for a real independent provider. Another conflict this year is certainly Dominion, who seems to be getting a kickback from FCPS, they are sending kids overthere at a huge increase, and it is a scary, horrible, damaging place. Do not send your kids there.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 09, 2013 07:53AM

@kfkhg - well MAYBE the GMU lab only confirmed the FCPS said about yr kid cause it was TRUE? Why would you think FCPS "has it in for your kid"? (p.s. if you truly believe your little conspiracy theory about Dominion getting "kickbacks" from FCPS, then maybe you oughta see someone yourself about mental health.)

@been, war, next, new - so please, tell me why I shouldnt let FCPS do it? I either trust them or I dont. And if I dont, why am I risking my children's future with them? I still dont get the tin-hat fear our of all this.

@Next - studies done years ago WILL NOT give as accurate a picture as a survey given now. plain and simple

@new- if yr opting out of the survey, you are afraid of something in it. kfkhg is afraid of some sort conspiracy against their child. Been There is afraid FCPS testing is flawed in relationship to the IEP. Warhawk is afraid that FCPS personnel cannot be trusted to limit the survey information. Next is afraid this survey is a waste of time and money. You're afraid that you didnt get enough notice and that a kid may be "interrogated (!?!?!?!) out of this.

Meanwhile, seems the county just wants to help parents and kids get a better handle on potential problems that they/we are not seeing. I myself WELCOME the help cause I'm a stupid idiot and I may be missing something. I sorry I lost that manual the Hospital apparently gave you ppl when your kids were born on how to accurately recognize any mental illness that may develop in them LoLz

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: RydellRoad ()
Date: January 09, 2013 10:46AM

Gordon Blvd = Obedient Cog in the Wheel. Head Down. Question Nothing.

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I'm obviously a fool - i fail to see the black army helicopters LoLz
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 09, 2013 10:54AM

@RydellRoad = scared-ass conspiracy nut. FEAR THE GUBMINT! THEY GONNA TAKE OUR BAY-BEES!!!

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: RydellRoad ()
Date: January 09, 2013 11:58AM

It's always ALL OR NOTHING for u. Never any middle ground.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 09, 2013 12:29PM

RydellRoad Wrote:
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> It's always ALL OR NOTHING for u. Never any
> middle ground.


@Rydell - I could say the same thing about u, y'know. Just cause I dont agree with yr fear of FCPS, you'll call me out about lack of questioning even though the VERY FIRST POST I MADE ON THIS THREAD was asking questions:

Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 07, 2013 06:04PM


@crazy - just curious - what were you afraid of?

so again, I ask - what's the fear all about? And why would you send yr kids to a building that you dont trust the ppl in? That's the part of this that blows my mind wide open. Ppl dont trust the schoo to take care of yr kids, but y'all will STILL send yr kids to these ppl EVERYDAY?!?!

anybody able to give me a rational answer and not just some "im afraid of the gub-mint" answer?

NOT ONE POST HAS SHOWN A HONEST REAL REASON AS TO WHY NOT TO TAKE THIS SURVEY.

if you have some sorta fear, of COURSE you have the right to not take it - all I'm asking is why not, is all...........

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: RydellRoad ()
Date: January 09, 2013 01:11PM

Your tone and posting history does not suggest that any explanation would be persuasive with you once you have started an argument.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 09, 2013 01:39PM

RydellRoad Wrote:
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> Your tone and posting history does not suggest
> that any explanation would be persuasive with you
> once you have started an argument.


well then you havent been paying attention then. The open-carry crew changed my mind. I am still uncomforable with it, but I'm not all like "fuck open carry" like I was last year. Why? Cause ppl who open-carry debated me with rational points (such as the fact you dont see them causing much trouble in life) so they got me to STFU.

I used to think all pit-bull owners were uncaring ignorant hicks. I dont necessarily believe that now thanks to some who had the guts and brainjuice to show me they actually DO care about others in their community (I wish gun nuts could do the same LoLz)

anywho, I still havent seen a legit reason why anyone should fear this survey..................

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Next ()
Date: January 09, 2013 01:53PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @Next - studies done years ago WILL NOT give as
> accurate a picture as a survey given now. plain
> and simple
>

Actually, statisticly speaking and given that most are relatively current, they are. You can fairly reliably project based on trends and there's wide enough of a range that you're still within reason as far as general conclusions/expectations. That's evidenced by the nature of the survey itself since it is, as well or as poorly as it is conceived, being done in response to perceived increased rates of youth depression and suicide.

And again you avoid the question...

What happens after they have this data? For what practical purposes will the results be used? That seems to me to be a reasonable question that should have a clear answer before doing a such a survey.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 09, 2013 02:12PM

@next - what "relatively current" studies are you reffering to? How recent are they? 3 yrs old maybe? You speak of perceptions of increase rate - if that's true, then what's the rate of increase? You say they can "fairly reliably project based on trends" so what "trends" are you referring to? Cause I honestly dont know. And I'm betting FCPS dont know either.............hence the survey.


I avoid questions that I do not have the answsers to. I also dont really care what they do with that data as:
a) if the data proves important to me and my children,I am going to be made aware of it (i.e. county will want to cover it's ass)

b) if it's not important, then it will go with the rest of the grades and "permanant record" that follows you everwhere in life ROFLMAO I mean, really - I havent seen my high school record follow me after high school LoLz. You HAVE noticed that, right? They tend to try (LoLz about Fairfax High) and keep personal records private.

c) pratical purpose would be to try and help parents know what's going on with their kids, try to help kids see that maybe they have an issue going on,and try to make FCPS a better system (i.e. county will want to cover it's ass)

d) if you are SERIOUSLY that concerned about it, then why dont you call Gateway and ask, post the answers here that you find? Why would you look to Gordon Blvd for the answers to yr questions? Or is it that your child's mental health is not as serious to you as it is to FCPS?

And I'm not trying to clown either you or Rydell - I am seriously dumbfounded as to y'alls fear on this survey and really and trying to understand yr POV is all.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: intheknow ()
Date: January 09, 2013 02:23PM

The survey is to help identify students who are struggling with problems. Students who indicate that they are experiencing suicidal thoughts will be talked to by counselors. The survey is brief and the purpose is to help students. If you don't like it, opt out. As a parent, I appreciate the attempt to help kids that have otherwise not been identified as needing help.
To echo an earlier sentiment, if the schools did nothing to help identify students in need of assistance then they would be questioned why nothing was done to prevent a suicide or other tragedy. Maybe the OP is in constant communication with his/her children and would recognize signs of suicide and depression. But many parents are not, and this exists to help the children of those parents.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Next ()
Date: January 09, 2013 03:01PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @next - what "relatively current" studies are you
> reffering to? How recent are they? 3 yrs old
> maybe? You speak of perceptions of increase rate
> - if that's true, then what's the rate of
> increase? You say they can "fairly reliably
> project based on trends" so what "trends" are you
> referring to? Cause I honestly dont know. And
> I'm betting FCPS dont know
> either.............hence the survey.
>
>
> I avoid questions that I do not have the answsers
> to. I also dont really care what they do with
> that data as:
> a) if the data proves important to me and my
> children,I am going to be made aware of it (i.e.
> county will want to cover it's ass)
>
> b) if it's not important, then it will go with
> the rest of the grades and "permanant record" that
> follows you everwhere in life ROFLMAO I mean,
> really - I havent seen my high school record
> follow me after high school LoLz. You HAVE
> noticed that, right? They tend to try (LoLz about
> Fairfax High) and keep personal records private.
>
> c) pratical purpose would be to try and help
> parents know what's going on with their kids, try
> to help kids see that maybe they have an issue
> going on,and try to make FCPS a better system
> (i.e. county will want to cover it's ass)
>
> d) if you are SERIOUSLY that concerned about it,
> then why dont you call Gateway and ask, post the
> answers here that you find? Why would you look to
> Gordon Blvd for the answers to yr questions? Or
> is it that your child's mental health is not as
> serious to you as it is to FCPS?
>
> And I'm not trying to clown either you or Rydell -
> I am seriously dumbfounded as to y'alls fear on
> this survey and really and trying to understand yr
> POV is all.


There are tons of studies going back over the last 20+ years. I'm not going to link to any specific ones to avoid getting off on a tangent, as I know you will, arguing applicability. All you have to do is Google teen depression and suicide and you'll find plenty to support that they exist and are generally applicable. Again, the survey itself is evidence of this given that's whole reason that this is being done to begin with. Furthermore, as "intheknow" notes, it's not a general survey. It's intended as part of a broader program as a way to screen and identify *specific students* with issues.

If someone wants to do it, I have no problem with that. But they are way short on addressing specifically what will be done with this information, how the information will be maintained and for what period of time, whether it will be considered "educational records" of the student, etc. Given the nature of the information it, for example, very likely would be subject to legal restrictions for records gathering, maintenance and dissemination. People need to know. or at least should want to know if they put some thought into it. what happens to this info once it's gathered.

Your attempt to trivialize what could happen with your "permanent record" notwithstanding, this is very sensitive information. Imagine if it were subject to a data breech along the lines of what happened with the grade info. And once it's out there, it's out there forever.

Then you get into further potential situations where it's not clear what happens if someone is "tagged" as one of whom to be concerned with. Are they mandated officially or practically to seek some help or watched in some way regardless of their or their parent's wishes? I mean if they see some evidence that someone is considering suicide, at that point they are under some obligation to do something. Are they required to notify parents or is that at the option of the student? Etc., etc.

I'm not really looking to you for answers. Just pointing out that while you suggest that it's no big deal, you really don't have much of any basis for that assessment. You don't have answers to substantive questions as above which need to be known in order to reach that conclusion. Bottom line you've really not put much thought into it.

Bottom line, this is simply a way to increase awareness of the issue and provide an opportunity for students to seek some help if they want it. There are better ways to do exactly the same thing which don't require gathering individually identifiable information with some unknown use and disposition.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: crazy about you ()
Date: January 09, 2013 03:01PM

intheknow Wrote:
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> ...Maybe the OP is in constant communication with his/her children
> and would recognize signs of suicide and depression...

The OP is.

> ...But many parents are not, and this exists to help the
> children of those parents.

That is not a school system problem.

Really, it's not.

Really.

---

What permanent records are kept and where? Who has access to them? If a government background-checking agency asks to see all the student's records with legal subpoena in hand, is this part of what they get?

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Govt Subpeona? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOUR KIDS GOING TO DO THAT WOULD GET THEM SUBPEONAED BY THE GOVT!?!?!
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 09, 2013 04:19PM

@crazy - sound like yr afraid the gubmint gonna take yr bay-BEES! roflmao @ u. Please tell us what harm would come to your child if, subpeona in hand, they DO get to see it? Govt aint throwing subpeonas out left and right, btw. In fact, only scenario I can see that honestly happening is is if yr kid just gunned down a movie theater - you raising one of those types?


@Next - 20 yrs ago? really? REALLY? Dude, you dont even use the same software you did 20 years ago - yet yr gonna want to determine ppls mental health on 20 yr old data? Kids today arent the same as 20 yrs back. Gonna study Windows 8 kids with Windows 3.1 guidelines and just HOPE it works out? And just guess the rest, eh? ROFLMAO! Look, kids nowadays are diff from 1992 kids, same as 1992 kids were different from 1972 kids, which were different from 1952 kids. I mean, if you cant recognize that, then I'm sorry. But at least FCPS does - hence the survey. THEY JUST WANT TO GET AN IDEA - why so scar-d? And why would a parent NOT want mental help for their child if the school system found there may be an issue? Those are the crazy sorta parents, would rather their kid die than give them asprin or whatever..................

Anyways, you say I'm trivalizing when all I'm doing is calling ppl out on their irrational fear of the unknown - giving me coulda-shoulda's that arent common scenarios AT ALL (Govt subpeonas and stolen information). Could it happen, sure? Is it likely? Not at all. Heck, a crazed gunman could storm one of my kids' school tomorrow. So I guess I should just keep them at home, right? That's the sorta logic y'all are telling me you are following when it comes to this survey and I just simply dont get it. Id rather know NOW if there is a mental issue with my kid an I'm missing it instead of find out later cause I was too much of a coward to fill out a piece of paper, is all I'm saying.

And not one person (yourself included) has given me a logical reason why I should fear this thing. If I had yr fears, maybe I'd think differently, but I do not.

but I do agree with you on that last tip - if you dont wanna take it, simply dont. :)

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Re: Govt Subpeona? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOUR KIDS GOING TO DO THAT WOULD GET THEM SUBPEONAED BY THE GOVT!?!?!
Posted by: Next ()
Date: January 09, 2013 05:07PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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>
> @Next - 20 yrs ago? really? REALLY? Dude, you
> dont even use the same software you did 20 years
> ago - yet yr gonna want to determine ppls mental
> health on 20 yr old data? Kids today arent the
> same as 20 yrs back. Gonna study Windows 8 kids
> with Windows 3.1 guidelines and just HOPE it works
> out? And just guess the rest, eh? ROFLMAO!
> Look, kids nowadays are diff from 1992 kids, same
> as 1992 kids were different from 1972 kids, which
> were different from 1952 kids. I mean, if you
> cant recognize that, then I'm sorry. But at least
> FCPS does - hence the survey. THEY JUST WANT TO
> GET AN IDEA - why so scar-d? And why would a
> parent NOT want mental help for their child if the
> school system found there may be an issue? Those
> are the crazy sorta parents, would rather their
> kid die than give them asprin or
> whatever..................
>

Don't be a dumbass. I didn't say 20 year old studies. I said going back over at least the last 20+ years since it's emerged as a growing issue of concern. Derp.

And again, as I clearly noted, it's not even a general survey. It's intended as an opportunity to say "yeah, I'm nuts and I want some help."


> Anyways, you say I'm trivalizing when all I'm
> doing is calling ppl out on their irrational fear
> of the unknown - giving me coulda-shoulda's that
> arent common scenarios AT ALL (Govt subpeonas and
> stolen information). Could it happen, sure? Is
> it likely? Not at all. Heck, a crazed gunman
> could storm one of my kids' school tomorrow. So I
> guess I should just keep them at home, right?
> That's the sorta logic y'all are telling me you
> are following when it comes to this survey and I
> just simply dont get it. Id rather know NOW if
> there is a mental issue with my kid an I'm missing
> it instead of find out later cause I was too much
> of a coward to fill out a piece of paper, is all
> I'm saying.
>
> And not one person (yourself included) has given
> me a logical reason why I should fear this thing.
> If I had yr fears, maybe I'd think differently,
> but I do not.
>
> but I do agree with you on that last tip - if you
> dont wanna take it, simply dont. :)


I gave you several logical reasons why someone should put some more thought into what happens with the info. None of which you addressed. You don't have to be paranoid or a conspiracy nut to have valid concerns over privacy and how such info is used and maintained. In fact, rather dumb not to be given the nature of this information. It's not at all far fetched to ask what happens next and the potential implications. And you don't have even the most basic of information in order to say what may be an issue.

Not at all far fetched to think that a simple answer to some question may trigger some further actions which, without knowing the answers to the types of questions above in advance, you may not necessarily want.

Not at all far fetched to think that records or student health and welfare policies may change at some point over time, transfer, a change of schools with different policies, etc., which then may inadvertently put you into a classification that you may not want.

Not at all far fetched, without some indication otherwise, that such records and resulting self-identification may follow you in some ways that you don't necessarily want.

In any case, I'm done. I really don't care whether you or anyone else does it or not. I've made the point to anyone else reading that they should at least think about the broader implications. I think that's the more "logical" approach versus going with your "WTH, it's just a survey saying that my kid has psychological issues which I don't really know how it will be used or where it may end up." lol And if you're relying on this to tell you whether your kid has some serious problems, then, well, good luck.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: survey results on suicide ()
Date: January 09, 2013 05:35PM

MENTAL HEALTH

Fairfax County students were asked if, during the past 12 months, they ever felt so sad or hopeless almost
every day for two weeks or more in a row that they stopped doing some usual activities. Almost three in
ten Fairfax County students (29.2%) reported feeling this sad or hopeless, including over one-third of
female students (35.1%) and approximately one-fourth (23.0%) of male students. Almost one in five
female students (19.6%) and nearly one in eight male students (11.9%) reported that they had seriously
considered attempting suicide in the past year.


I hope the staff is ready for the floodgates......

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: newgatedenizen ()
Date: January 09, 2013 06:43PM

As an aside, I may or may not opt my high-school-er out of the survey. I'm planning on speaking with them about it and will pretty much let them decide.

I just object to this on principle as I don't think it is anyone's business other than the parents or legal guardian. So I'm in the minority... I really don't care about that either.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 09, 2013 07:37PM

@newgate - which is your COMPLETE RIGHT, yo. If you dont think it's their business then that's yr call as a parent, plain and simple :)

@survey - no fooling, right? LoLz

@ next: you say you gave me "several logical reasons" as to why someone should fear the study? Theft of records is not really a "logical" reason. So you arent gonna take yr kids to the hospital or your not gonna ever use yr credit card because "oh maybe someone could steal the info"? That's a LUDICROUS way to live life, yo. Yeah, coulda-shoulda's may happen. Am I gonna lock my kids away in the basement their entire life because of it? HELL NO! And nobody is going to take them from you, kick them out of school, arrest you, burn down yr house, send you to concentration camps, or WHATEVER it is negative you think could come out of all this.

Yes it is kinda far-fetched to think answering questions could "trigger some further actions" that you cant control - that TOTALLY translates into "I'm scar-d Gub-mint gonna take my bay-BEES!!!"

And then you give me this example: Are they mandated officially or practically to seek some help or watched in some way regardless of their or their parent's wishes? I mean if they see some evidence that someone is considering suicide, at that point they are under some obligation to do something. Are they required to notify parents or is that at the option of the student? Etc., etc.

Well, I've never had to deal with anything like that (and I pray I never will) but I know that when crap happens at school regarding my kids, I'm like the second to know about it. So I'm not too sure why you'd think they WOULDNT let the parents know.

all I know is that I welcome any input that may clue me into any mental health issues going on with my kids. And everyone at FCPS I've met has been on the same page with me about making my boys the best little men they can be. Every. Single. One.

..................so cause of that I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. When you PROVE to me they are part of some huge conspiracy or what-not, you let me know, k?

p.s. I see you never called Gateway to get any answers to all so-important questions you have. Better to just hate on FCPS than actually get answers to yr questions about what they are planning with yr kid, right? LoLz

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Have a clue ()
Date: January 10, 2013 01:20PM

Look, FCPS has been doing the depression screening at schools for a long time. All they are doing is looking for red flags for kids that may be expreiencing depression. If anything shows up they contact the parents and recommend that the kid get a full eval with a private provider or the CSB. It is not a big deal. They are not going to use the info to target your kids. Notice the word OPTIONAL. I use to work in the schools and would assist with the depression screens. Relax

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Next ()
Date: January 10, 2013 01:59PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @newgate - which is your COMPLETE RIGHT, yo. If
> you dont think it's their business then that's yr
> call as a parent, plain and simple :)
>
> @survey - no fooling, right? LoLz
>
> @ next: you say you gave me "several logical
> reasons" as to why someone should fear the study?
> Theft of records is not really a "logical" reason.
> So you arent gonna take yr kids to the hospital
> or your not gonna ever use yr credit card because
> "oh maybe someone could steal the info"? That's
> a LUDICROUS way to live life, yo. Yeah,
> coulda-shoulda's may happen. Am I gonna lock my
> kids away in the basement their entire life
> because of it? HELL NO! And nobody is going to
> take them from you, kick them out of school,
> arrest you, burn down yr house, send you to
> concentration camps, or WHATEVER it is negative
> you think could come out of all this.
>
> Yes it is kinda far-fetched to think answering
> questions could "trigger some further actions"
> that you cant control - that TOTALLY translates
> into "I'm scar-d Gub-mint gonna take my
> bay-BEES!!!"
>
> And then you give me this example: Are they
> mandated officially or practically to seek some
> help or watched in some way regardless of their or
> their parent's wishes? I mean if they see some
> evidence that someone is considering suicide, at
> that point they are under some obligation to do
> something. Are they required to notify parents or
> is that at the option of the student? Etc., etc.
>

>
> Well, I've never had to deal with anything like
> that (and I pray I never will) but I know that
> when crap happens at school regarding my kids, I'm
> like the second to know about it. So I'm not too
> sure why you'd think they WOULDNT let the parents
> know.
>
> all I know is that I welcome any input that may
> clue me into any mental health issues going on
> with my kids. And everyone at FCPS I've met has
> been on the same page with me about making my boys
> the best little men they can be. Every. Single.
> One.
>
> ..................so cause of that I'm giving them
> the benefit of the doubt. When you PROVE to me
> they are part of some huge conspiracy or what-not,
> you let me know, k?
>
> p.s. I see you never called Gateway to get any
> answers to all so-important questions you have.
> Better to just hate on FCPS than actually get
> answers to yr questions about what they are
> planning with yr kid, right? LoLz


Quit being a dumbshit. First you (very lamely) attempt to distort to absurdity what I'd said about the base of research on the matter. Then you go on to distort perfectly legitimate privacy concerns that people should have to the point of absurdity in your idiotic characterization of taking away kids and concentration camps. WTF? lol I never said anything even remotely along such lines. Nor did I claim there was any conspiracy. How about rather than arguing with what you'd like for me to be saying so you can belittle it, how about you stick with what I actually said.

The bolded example that I gave you is a perfectly reasonable question. What happens next? I don't know and I suspect that you don't either. I don't know whether they even CAN tell parents given established student privacy restrictions so you may not know even if they did. I also don't know what legal obligations they are under with respect to protecting students in the event that they have knowledge that someone may be endangered or with regard to liability. Are they required to take some action that you may not control or agree with?

There are legitimate privacy concerns here. You don't approach things like this on the basis that something like a data breech is unlikely to happen (even though, in fact, it just DID happen and has happened in the past re grades). You have to assume a worst-case and limit your vulnerability to such possibilities.

I don't have to call Gateway or anyone else. It's an easy decision for me - unless they've provided more details re how the information will be used, further resulting actions and implications, and assurances re safeguarding the information, then there's no way in hell I'd do it as a student or let my kids do it. And if I have some concerns along such lines, then I can get to the same place simply by using it as an opportunity talk to them about it directly.

For the record, again, I have no problem with them doing the survey as a means to let people seek some help for themselves. Although I do think there are more effective ways to do the same thing. My only concern is with respect to doing it in a way that ties the information to students on an individually identifiable basis and privacy. There are ways that they could do this more anonymously and still get to the same place (e.g., along the lines of how follow-up tip lines are done). In fact, that very likely would be more effective given that people are more forthcoming on such a basis.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: liability ()
Date: January 10, 2013 02:26PM

Ok, so the school gives out the surveys and a handful of kids respond that they want to kill themselves. Now what?

They tell the parents and that's the end of it???

Does the school have an obligation to monitor the kid?

What if the parents DON'T get the kid help?

This is opening up a serious can of worms.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: intheknow ()
Date: January 10, 2013 03:35PM

@liability
Schools notify parents and have counselors talk to the students.
Counselors can follow up with students as often as they think is necessary.
Hopefully this will help counselors get help for the kids whose parents don't follow up. This is, after all, only to help students who may be in trouble and need help.
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think this creates a liability. If a student shows that they are at risk for suicide through their answers to the questions then parents will be notified (as required by law) and counselors will intervene. If anything, I would think this would limit the school's liability since no one could argue that schools were withholding information or not attempting to help students.

In reference to some of the other questions posed above:
Schools do not attach the answers students give to their permanent records. Nothing is recorded on transcripts. As many of you know, schools are not allowed to disclose any information of that nature to other institutions (like colleges) anyway.
Surveys are stored for a set period of time (as dictated by some regulation) and then shredded (destroyed).

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: not so sure ()
Date: January 10, 2013 07:05PM

Not all schools run tight ships when it comes to student records. At our high school, they fired the sports coach the first week of the season and he had many of the players' physicals and he never returned them--I guess he was pissed about being fired.

Hello HIPPA, no coach should be running around with kids' medical forms.

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and a-one, and a-two....................
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: January 10, 2013 07:17PM

@not sure - When and where was this? How do you know the records were not returned?

@inthe - thanks for the heads up and common sense on that

@next:
Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: Next ()
Date: January 09, 2013 03:01PM

.............In any case, I'm done. I really don't care whether you or anyone else does it or not............

yep. this sounds like you are "done", alright LoLz. what IS IT with you ppl and me? I'm so stupid, I smell bad, my mommy dresses me funny, and my opinion doesnt matter yet you'll write a fucking soliloquy to me (BY NAME) about it all ROFLMAO

http://youtu.be/2wYoLQc-x5g?t=31s

edit - next, I'm not too sure what yr point is. Like I told newgate, if you dont wanna do it, that's yr right, plain and simple. Newgate think's it's between kids and parents. I disagree. But I dont tell Newgate how to raise their kid(s) LoLz. As for you, dunno why you think it's "reasonable" to know what happens to the info then not wanna take time to call FCPS to find out EXACTLY what happens to yr kids info.........but that's on you. Me, if I had any concerns about that sort of thing, I'd go to teacher or school admin about it and get some answers. o_0



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2013 07:28PM by Gordon Blvd.

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Re: FCPS wants to pychologically profile your kids, and...
Posted by: believe it ()
Date: January 10, 2013 08:01PM

not so sure Wrote:
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> Not all schools run tight ships when it comes to
> student records. At our high school, they fired
> the sports coach the first week of the season and
> he had many of the players' physicals and he never
> returned them--I guess he was pissed about being
> fired.
>
> Hello HIPPA, no coach should be running around
> with kids' medical forms.


3 of the players said screw it and quit the team because the school was demanding that they get new physicals.

Serious screw up..but standard procedure at our high school.

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Re: But Gordon!! Gub-Mint comin to take my Bay-BEES!!!!!!
Posted by: newsgatedumbass ()
Date: January 10, 2013 09:00PM

newgatedenizen Wrote:
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> Nice straw man arguments there. (for your
> reference:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)
>
> I didn't see anyone say anything about being
> "afraid" of a survey. Any responsible parent
> would raise questions about having a 1 week notice
> that their child is going to be psychologically
> profiled and then possibly interrogated if their
> profile raises concerns (parents to be notified
> later of course).


ironic that someone named newsgate......uses a MADE UP AND EDITABLE = fiction to cite facts

dumbfuck

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Re: and a-one, and a-two....................
Posted by: xyV7x ()
Date: November 30, 2016 07:21PM

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> yep. this sounds like you are "done", alright
> LoLz. what IS IT with you ppl and me? I'm so
> stupid, I smell bad, my mommy dresses me funny,
> and my opinion doesnt matter yet you'll write a
> fucking soliloquy to me (BY NAME) about it all

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