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Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Pious Parent ()
Date: December 24, 2012 01:50PM

My daughter is a 1st grader at Samuel Tucker Elementary school and recently her teacher told her that God did not create the dinosaurs!! The teacher was talking to the class about EVOLUTION and when my daughter said she thought God created the dinosaurs the teacher told her she was WRONG! She could have just said that there are two views instead of her just saying that God creating the dinosaurs is wrong. We have a Christian home and all of this has been very confusing for my daughter.

What is FCPS' stance on creationism/evolution? Are the required to only teach evolution or both? If just evolution then it should be changed and if both then she is clearly in violation!

Merry Christmas

john 3:16

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Go back to the boonies ()
Date: December 24, 2012 01:55PM

You can always move back to the backwater village in Texas where you came from, or you could home school your child so that it isn't exposed to ideas that conflict with your superstitions.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: ModernEnglish ()
Date: December 24, 2012 01:58PM

Pious Parent Wrote:
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> My daughter is a 1st grader at Samuel Tucker
> Elementary school and recently her teacher told
> her that God did not create the dinosaurs!! The
> teacher was talking to the class about EVOLUTION
> and when my daughter said she thought God created
> the dinosaurs the teacher told her she was WRONG!
> She could have just said that there are two views
> instead of her just saying that God creating the
> dinosaurs is wrong. We have a Christian home and
> all of this has been very confusing for my
> daughter.
>
> What is FCPS' stance on creationism/evolution?
> Are the required to only teach evolution or both?
> If just evolution then it should be changed and if
> both then she is clearly in violation!
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> john 3:16


Samuel Tucker Elementary School is in the City of Alexandria, not Fairfax County. So maybe the question is how do you not know what school system is teaching your child.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Another View ()
Date: December 24, 2012 01:59PM

Just tell your kid that Jesus killed all the dinosaurs.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Baby Jesus ()
Date: December 24, 2012 02:16PM

God did not create the dinosaurs. They were already here when he made the flat earth and put man and beast on it. Then he killed all the dinosaurs because they kept eating humans.

Also, don't buy all that crap about the earth being round. It's still flat, and the sun revolves around it. Just look up and you can watch the sun move across the sky. duh.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: socialist enclave ()
Date: December 24, 2012 02:28PM

Thats in Alexandria, you are lucky the teacher didnt say Obama created the dinosaurs.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Festive Troll Hunting ()
Date: December 24, 2012 02:48PM

Pious Parent Wrote:
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> My daughter is a 1st grader at Samuel Tucker
> Elementary school and recently her teacher told
> her that God did not create the dinosaurs!! The
> teacher was talking to the class about EVOLUTION
> and when my daughter said she thought God created
> the dinosaurs the teacher told her she was WRONG!
> She could have just said that there are two views
> instead of her just saying that God creating the
> dinosaurs is wrong. We have a Christian home and
> all of this has been very confusing for my
> daughter.
>
> What is FCPS' stance on creationism/evolution?
> Are the required to only teach evolution or both?
> If just evolution then it should be changed and if
> both then she is clearly in violation!
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> john 3:16

Any child who really believes that God created Dinosaurs is by definition wrong and should be told so in no-uncertain terms. Their parents should be placed in the stocks in the center of Fairfax Circle with their pants pulled down for suitable ridicule

No-one could really be this stupid - I call Festive Troll

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Enemy of Reason ()
Date: December 24, 2012 03:05PM


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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Homeschooling is a Joke ()
Date: December 24, 2012 03:08PM

No one is a SERIOUS science or math educator unless they can derive Ohm's Law from Maxwell's Equations.

No one should be allowed to homeschool their kids unless they can do the same, speak at least one non native language fluently, and either play a musical instrument or engage in some form of visual art.

The educational system in this country is a joke. Now we are letting religion get in the way. This sounds like that Jesus Camp nonsense.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Keep getting dumber, please ()
Date: December 24, 2012 03:12PM


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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Lotus Blossom ()
Date: December 24, 2012 03:19PM

Keep getting dumber, please Wrote:
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>

Buddhists believe in reincarnation. Is that scientific?

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: ps 22 ()
Date: December 24, 2012 03:20PM

My kids teacher told him to celebrate the diversity or else.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Festive Troll Hunting ()
Date: December 24, 2012 03:56PM

Lotus Blossom Wrote:
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> Keep getting dumber, please Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
>
>
> Buddhists believe in reincarnation. Is that
> scientific?

Nope - just as much an old superstition as White Cloud Guy

Mind you, it is interesting that Buddhist monks can do cool thing with their own consciousness through intensive practice - although 2 glasses of red wine is my own preferred approach

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: December 24, 2012 04:40PM

Jesus told me that everything becomes abundantly clear as soon as you're dead.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Charlie Darwin ()
Date: December 24, 2012 04:55PM

Teacher was right. No problem here. Move on and stop living in the Dark Ages.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Bill Nye the Science guy ()
Date: December 24, 2012 05:32PM

she's smart.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Meade's Hillbilly Cousin ()
Date: December 24, 2012 05:36PM

Lotus Blossom Wrote:
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> Keep getting dumber, please Wrote:
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> >
>
>
> Buddhists believe in reincarnation. Is that
> scientific?


Is reincarnation taught in the schools?

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Katie Bar the Door ()
Date: December 24, 2012 10:45PM

Meade's Hillbilly Cousin Wrote:
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> Lotus Blossom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Buddhists believe in reincarnation. Is that
> > scientific?
>
>
> Is reincarnation taught in the schools?


If the christian fundamentalists get their way, it will be.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Fred Savage ()
Date: December 24, 2012 10:52PM

Get a new teacher.


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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Priapus ()
Date: December 24, 2012 11:53PM


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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Pious Parent ()
Date: December 25, 2012 01:04AM

Priapus Wrote:
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> http://www.dailydawdle.com/2011/10/10-epic-portrai
> ts-of-jesus-and.html?ModPagespeed=noscript


That is pretty offensive...

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: JesusKiller ()
Date: December 25, 2012 03:58AM

Your daughter's teacher was right. God did not create the dinosaurs. Neither did the Easter Bunny or Darth Vader. Like them, there is no God.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 25, 2012 04:56AM

Pious Parent Wrote:
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> told her that God did not create the dinosaurs!!


God created the Tyrannosaurus Rex in His own image.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Canaanite ()
Date: December 25, 2012 09:50AM

According to the original myth, God and his wife Asherah had 70 little gods. He was too busy to make little dinos and other inconsequential stuff.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Priapus ()
Date: December 25, 2012 10:21AM

Pious Parent Wrote:
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> Priapus Wrote:
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> >
> http://www.dailydawdle.com/2011/10/10-epic-portrai
>
> > ts-of-jesus-and.html?ModPagespeed=noscript
>
>
> That is pretty offensive...


Thank you

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: HappyDay ()
Date: December 25, 2012 03:19PM

Pious why are you pushing your religion on us? Merry Christmas and all to you, but telling us your way is right? Your teacher teach Hanukka? Would you be happy if your kid didnt have a christmas party they called a holiday party with santa and pine trees and candy canes? Stupid me, those are holiday things not christmas. Hindu and Jewish get their fair share of your holiday. Not meaning disrepect but enough is enough at school. Wait until 6th grade and they teach about birds and bees.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: BigK ()
Date: December 25, 2012 07:18PM

If you want religion taught in school you have to put your kid in a church school. No place for religion in public school.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Parg ()
Date: December 25, 2012 07:21PM

Stop calling me that! I'm you non gender specific momdad and if you don't behave, I will peck you with my beak until you go back in your egg, which I will then shove back info my cloaca

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Ahmayzin ()
Date: December 26, 2012 11:32AM

Evolution is for stupid monkey people. Tell your daughter that. It's true. Monkeys evolve into people. Monkeys still live...cause monkeys evolved into people....monkeys still live people still live....cause monkeys evolved into people...thats why monkeys still live...cause they evolved into people...thats why there are still monkeys.


Clown religion, but the above is how factual evolution sounds to me...just saying. Scientific or not. I say, science these nuts evolution faggies.

THE END (of the dinosaurs)

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: prof t ()
Date: December 26, 2012 11:34AM

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: sister zeena's in the backseat ()
Date: December 26, 2012 11:37AM


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Posted by: the true king ()
Date: December 26, 2012 11:52AM

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Pious Parent ()
Date: December 26, 2012 12:10PM

It is upsetting to see such blasphemy and denial of our LORD and MESSIAH especially during this time of the year. Please use this holiday time to reflect on your souls and ask for God's forgiveness. I will praying for you all.

I am going to be enrolling my daughter in private school next year. Any suggestions for a good Christian school in the area? Thanks in advance.

God Bless!

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Date: December 26, 2012 12:19PM

Yeah the OP is not a Poe or anything.

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Just cause Christ is Holier than Thou dont mean you get to act the same way, assmunch..............
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: December 26, 2012 12:33PM

@Pious - It is upsetting to see you acting with such such sanctimoniousness and pompousness in the name of our LORD and MESSIAH especially during this time of the year. Please use this holiday time to reflect on your soul and ask for God's forgiveness. I will praying for you all.

Maybe you should have enrolled yr daughter in a religious school in the first place instead of ASSUMING everyone holds the same spirtual beliefs you do................

p.s. I'm betting Trinity Christian is PERFECT for ya ;)

http://www.tcsfairfax.org/ - yr welcome. And God bless you too...............

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Hi and Tight ()
Date: December 26, 2012 02:48PM

Trinity Christian is a great school. They test at about the same level as TJ and the make up of the school population is definitely better than you'll find at ANY FCPS (except maybe Langley). K - 12 so you can stay there from the first day of kindergarten to 12th grade graduation day. You'll get Latin, a wide variety of arts and your kid will be operating at 2 to 3 grades above the FCPS in math, english, history and the other basics by the time they hit 4th or 5th and will stay at that level throughout.

Downsides are no real extracurricular sports (except LAX and volleyball) and it's not for free spirits or kids who don't want to fit in and/or have problems getting along.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: CHS fight club ()
Date: December 26, 2012 02:55PM

Might as well send them to public schools. learn to deal with these saveages sooner rather than later.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: burgers for me ()
Date: December 26, 2012 03:14PM

If they go to church school, they can network and mebbe get jobs at Chick-Fil-A.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Americanegro ()
Date: December 26, 2012 04:30PM

"MESSIAH"? That's a JEW word, little lady!

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Christian Parent ()
Date: December 26, 2012 04:30PM

Trinity is good. Get them out of the horrible public school system now. The liberal indoctrination only gets worse...trust me.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: God only knows ()
Date: December 26, 2012 04:40PM

Christian Parent Wrote:
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> Trinity is good. Get them out of the horrible
> public school system now. The liberal
> indoctrination only gets worse...trust me.

And where was God when the children in Sandy Hook needed him/her?
Feeding the dinosaurs?

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Broken covenant ()
Date: December 26, 2012 08:41PM

God only knows Wrote:
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> Christian Parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Trinity is good. Get them out of the horrible
> > public school system now. The liberal
> > indoctrination only gets worse...trust me.
>
> And where was God when the children in Sandy Hook
> needed him/her?
> Feeding the dinosaurs?


Asked and answered dozens of times already on this site.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Whattt ()
Date: December 26, 2012 08:46PM

Broken covenant Wrote:
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> God only knows Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Christian Parent Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Trinity is good. Get them out of the
> horrible
> > > public school system now. The liberal
> > > indoctrination only gets worse...trust me.
> >
> > And where was God when the children in Sandy
> Hook
> > needed him/her?
> > Feeding the dinosaurs?
>
>
> Asked and answered dozens of times already on this
> site.

Fuck you says what?

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Set Sarcasm Detectors To "On" ()
Date: December 26, 2012 09:32PM

Whattt Wrote:
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> Fuck you says what?

Those innocent children died because they didn't pray to God during school hours, and because their wasn't an image of the Ten Commandments posted in the building. You take the God out schools and you get stuff like this happening. It doesn't matter how pious a child is or how much they go to church on Sunday, if they don't pray in school God will let bad things happen to them.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Richard "The Iceman" Kuklinski ()
Date: December 26, 2012 10:51PM

"It was a man and he was begging, and pleading, and praying, I guess. And he was, 'Please, God, no,' all over the place. So I told him he could have a half an hour to pray to God and if God could come down and change the circumstances, He'd have that time. But God never showed up and he never changed the circumstances and that was that.
It wasn't too nice. That's one thing, I shouldn't have done that one. I shouldn't have done it that way."

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: vlt ()
Date: December 26, 2012 11:03PM

Set Sarcasm Detectors To "On" Wrote:
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> if they don't pray in school God will
> let bad things happen to them.

An armed nutcase could just as easily walk into a church on Sunday and kill 26 people. It wouldn't be difficult if with an assault weapons.

Do you really think the Newtown shooter avoided shooting up a church because of people praying in there? He picked an elementary school because the Ten Commandments weren't posted??

Would a church be safer with an armed policeman? Or are the people praying inside enough of a deterrent?

Sorry, the whole religious angle make ZERO sense. Christians need to grow up.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Sarcasm Deterctor Repairman ()
Date: December 27, 2012 12:33AM

vlt Wrote:
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> Set Sarcasm Detectors To "On" Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > if they don't pray in school God will
> > let bad things happen to them.
>
> An armed nutcase could just as easily walk into a
> church on Sunday and kill 26 people. It wouldn't
> be difficult if with an assault weapons.
>
> Do you really think the Newtown shooter avoided
> shooting up a church because of people praying in
> there? He picked an elementary school because the
> Ten Commandments weren't posted??
>
> Would a church be safer with an armed policeman?
> Or are the people praying inside enough of a
> deterrent?
>
> Sorry, the whole religious angle make ZERO sense.
> Christians need to grow up.


If you place your Sarcasm Detector into a flat-rate shipping box and mail it to me, I can have it working again in 3 business days.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: bibliotakea ()
Date: December 27, 2012 10:11AM

God hadn't yet been invented. There were all these other gods. Sun. Moon. Fire. Ephrates River. And on and on.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: teachingmoment ()
Date: December 27, 2012 11:52AM

You have the right to make your kid believe what ever you want but dont be surprised if there are spoiler alerts along the way. Simply explain to your kid that what the teacher said is what she believes and does not comport with your version of reality. Its going to happen more and more as your child grows so this is a good moment to explain to him or her that different people believe different things.

That said science exposes probability nothing more. Certainly nothing about God so she should stick to the facts and avoid discussion about God. You may wish to explain it like this - God is about what we feel and science is about what is real...

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Quantum Dude ()
Date: December 27, 2012 12:02PM

teachingmoment Wrote:
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> That said science exposes probability nothing
> more. Certainly nothing about God so she should
> stick to the facts and avoid discussion about God.
> You may wish to explain it like this - God is
> about what we feel and science is about what is
> real...


No. Science simply describes what we observe to appear to be the case given various conditions. Contrary to what most "smart" people believe, it is not determinative nor definitive. The closer you look, the more that you'll find that science/we are very uncertain about what is "real."

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 27, 2012 12:43PM

Quantum Dude Wrote:
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> teachingmoment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > That said science exposes probability nothing
> > more. Certainly nothing about God so she
> should
> > stick to the facts and avoid discussion about
> God.
> > You may wish to explain it like this - God is
> > about what we feel and science is about what is
> > real...
>
>
> No. Science simply describes what we observe to
> appear to be the case given various conditions.
> Contrary to what most "smart" people believe, it
> is not determinative nor definitive. The closer
> you look, the more that you'll find that
> science/we are very uncertain about what is
> "real."


You'll never get the ant-Godhadists on this board to see beyond their own religion of faux science. Being generous, let's allow them that man has discovered 10% of all the knowledge that is available in the universe. Now, being overly generous once again, let's say that the smartest person in the world knows, comprehends and usefully understands 10% of what all of mankind has discovered. Even with these expontentially generous percentages, these reasonists think that 1% knowledge of something is enough to make absolute statements of fact on things they observe. Their need to be right overrides the illogic and junk science methods that they must embrace. And when their fallacies are pointed out to them, like any religious zealot, they get apoplectic. Funny they are, in a sad kind of way.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Quantum Dude ()
Date: December 27, 2012 01:05PM

Trooth Wrote:
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> Quantum Dude Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > teachingmoment Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > That said science exposes probability nothing
> > > more. Certainly nothing about God so she
> > should
> > > stick to the facts and avoid discussion about
> > God.
> > > You may wish to explain it like this - God
> is
> > > about what we feel and science is about what
> is
> > > real...
> >
> >
> > No. Science simply describes what we observe
> to
> > appear to be the case given various conditions.
>
> > Contrary to what most "smart" people believe,
> it
> > is not determinative nor definitive. The
> closer
> > you look, the more that you'll find that
> > science/we are very uncertain about what is
> > "real."
>
>
> You'll never get the ant-Godhadists on this board
> to see beyond their own religion of faux science.
> Being generous, let's allow them that man has
> discovered 10% of all the knowledge that is
> available in the universe. Now, being overly
> generous once again, let's say that the smartest
> person in the world knows, comprehends and
> usefully understands 10% of what all of mankind
> has discovered. Even with these expontentially
> generous percentages, these reasonists think that
> 1% knowledge of something is enough to make
> absolute statements of fact on things they
> observe. Their need to be right overrides the
> illogic and junk science methods that they must
> embrace. And when their fallacies are pointed out
> to them, like any religious zealot, they get
> apoplectic. Funny they are, in a sad kind of way.


And the fact is that most of them have absolutely no background to even know what constitutes scientific method or "science" beyond what they read on HuffPo and half-assed movies by Al Gore. Most of them are much more certain of "the facts" in various popularized areas than are those who are deeply involved in the science themselves.

As someone said, those who have a very simple answer to whether God exists are limited by their own very simple constructs of God.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: G. Gazoo ()
Date: December 27, 2012 02:04PM

God made Man and Dino both in the modern stone age. Bedrock proves this page right out of history.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Ministry ()
Date: December 27, 2012 02:10PM

G. Gazoo Wrote:
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> God made Man and Dino both in the modern stone
> age. Bedrock proves this page right out of
> history.


Yeah, and Jesus built my Hotrod.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: December 27, 2012 02:12PM

No way. Jesus was a carpenter.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Raptor ()
Date: December 27, 2012 02:15PM

And he rode around on dinosaurs.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Malcolm ()
Date: December 27, 2012 02:32PM

God creates dinosaurs, God kills dinosaurs, God creates man, man kills God, man brings back dinosaurs.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: MJPeterson ()
Date: December 27, 2012 02:38PM

Nothing apocalyptic to say but why don't the evolution deniers deny the parts of science that brought them other things... like cars and vaccines?
When you get mad that your daughter is taught evolution over creationism, you should also get mad when she is taught bodies decompose instead of magically turning into maggots and flies. I thought you people would've realized after you didn't vaporize/rapturize last year that science is the only god and your holy book should be the US Constitution.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 27, 2012 03:35PM

MJPeterson Wrote:
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> Nothing apocalyptic to say but why don't the
> evolution deniers deny the parts of science that
> brought them other things... like cars and
> vaccines?
> When you get mad that your daughter is taught
> evolution over creationism, you should also get
> mad when she is taught bodies decompose instead of
> magically turning into maggots and flies. I
> thought you people would've realized after you
> didn't vaporize/rapturize last year that science
> is the only god and your holy book should be the
> US Constitution.


Who's denying evolution? Almost everyone believes mirco-evolution exists. Macro-evolution (all reproducing plants and animals evolved from one magic protein) and the universe magically just appearing from nothingness are much harder to defend and believe than the existence of a Creator. The rabid anti-Godhadists have to suspend belief in basic rules of physics and logic such as thermodynamics, causality and conservation of energy in order to believe things magically just started. Sad little scientist-wanna-be's who quickly run out of answers once you ask the 3rd or 4th question of their religion of reason.

The US Constitution's clause on religion has two sides: forbiding the establishment of a state religion AND the FREE exercise of religion for all of us, not just the rabid, frothing atheists. Anti-Godhadists always seem to disregard the second part of that clause. If you don't want to pray, then don't. But why do you haters always try and stop anyone from praying in public? The tyranny of the hyper-sensitive minority at its worst.

Your statement regarding denying evolution being related to "denying" cars and vaccines is an illogical non-sequitur. You'll have to do much better than that to offer some defense of the magic that your church of reason believes in.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: raisedinffc ()
Date: December 27, 2012 03:44PM

I want to know how the hell anyone on this site would know who/how dinosaurs were created? Where you there? No. All of our information from the past is theoretical and taught through storytelling.

Perfect example, the Bible. The stories written in there, how do you know the stories in there are true? That entire book is a collection of what would be equivalent to The Washington Post if we made the front story pages into a book.

Another example, how life was created. It can be explained through the storytelling, the Bible, or it can be explained through science, theoretical. Yes, there is proof of how a cell and all the other little microscopic things have evolved, but we don't know where they came from. Nor do we know where the matter that made the cells came from.

The bottom line is, not one of us TRUELY knows. So, when discussing this entire topic, it's beating a dead horse. There will never be answers to these types of things, so why fight over them? It causes law suits and fights to break out when people are out in public and even when they are at home with their families.

My suggestion: Stop showing your ignorance by arguing over something you do not have proof of.

The teacher was correct in her statement, but should have further explained herself. If she was unable to do so, then she should not have opened her mouth.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: MJPeterson ()
Date: December 27, 2012 04:07PM

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 27, 2012 04:08PM

raisedinffc Wrote:
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> I want to know how the hell anyone on this site
> would know who/how dinosaurs were created? Where
> you there? No. All of our information from the
> past is theoretical and taught through
> storytelling.
>
> Perfect example, the Bible. The stories written in
> there, how do you know the stories in there are
> true? That entire book is a collection of what
> would be equivalent to The Washington Post if we
> made the front story pages into a book.
>
> Another example, how life was created. It can be
> explained through the storytelling, the Bible, or
> it can be explained through science, theoretical.
> Yes, there is proof of how a cell and all the
> other little microscopic things have evolved, but
> we don't know where they came from. Nor do we know
> where the matter that made the cells came from.
>
> The bottom line is, not one of us TRUELY knows.
> So, when discussing this entire topic, it's
> beating a dead horse. There will never be answers
> to these types of things, so why fight over them?
> It causes law suits and fights to break out when
> people are out in public and even when they are at
> home with their families.
>
> My suggestion: Stop showing your ignorance by
> arguing over something you do not have proof of.
>
> The teacher was correct in her statement, but
> should have further explained herself. If she was
> unable to do so, then she should not have opened
> her mouth.


Wow, your illogic is quite funny. You write a thread on how no one knows where all this came from and then, in the end, you say that "(t)he teachers was correct in her statement". Do you not see the illogic? Based on everything you wrote up to your last two sentences, the teacher WAS NOT correct. What the OP suggested (there are different views on where the universe came from) was the correct response.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 27, 2012 04:18PM

If anyone ever proves that evolution is incorrect, that person will be a scientist, not some butt-hurt religious republican.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Prayer in Public Schools ()
Date: December 27, 2012 05:24PM


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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Tiny Minds ()
Date: December 27, 2012 05:33PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> If anyone ever proves that evolution is incorrect,
> that person will be a scientist, not some
> butt-hurt religious republican.


What makes you think that it's only butt-hurt religious republicans who question such things? I'm a Dem with an MS in genetics from Hopkins. I sure don't think that I have all of the answers. In fact, the more that I've learned, the more that I recognize that I don't.

Butt-hurt ideologues like you are as ignorant as the ones who you look down on.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: bornagaindad ()
Date: December 27, 2012 06:11PM

My dad is born again and he tried this argument too - if science is fallible why believe its conclusions. We talked about climate science and he pointed out that it is never 100% certain therefore no need to 'believe' in it. He used to be a private pilot so I asked him if he ever checked weather in pre-flight. Of course he always did so I asked why.

He got the connection. Science says nothing about what will ultimately happen but it says a lot about what will happen next...

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Beryllium10 ()
Date: December 27, 2012 06:44PM

The dinosaurs were an experiment in genetic engineering when the earth was being colonized with various forms of life by entities from other parts of the universe.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 27, 2012 07:09PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> If anyone ever proves that evolution is incorrect,
> that person will be a scientist, not some
> butt-hurt religious republican.


Again with more non-sequitur nonsense. Religion and science are only incompatible to the anti-Godhadists like you. I don't have a problem with scientists. Per usual, it's the church of reason loons who want to silence any voices but their own, deride anyone who doesn't march in lock step with their ideology and generally adopt practices that would make Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia blush. The intolerance of the left with Meeper as Exhibit A.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 27, 2012 07:17PM

bornagaindad Wrote:
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> My dad is born again and he tried this argument
> too - if science is fallible why believe its
> conclusions. We talked about climate science and
> he pointed out that it is never 100% certain
> therefore no need to 'believe' in it. He used to
> be a private pilot so I asked him if he ever
> checked weather in pre-flight. Of course he
> always did so I asked why.
>
> He got the connection. Science says nothing about
> what will ultimately happen but it says a lot
> about what will happen next...


Did he point out that Mars also has experienced global warming at the same time as earth? Is America causing that too? It's one thing to question the existence of God. It's quite another to declare authoritatively that there is no God. The rapid atheists focus on the latter, trying to push any views that question them as superstitious mumbo-jumbo as if they have a clue what they're talking about. Again, the only people who declare that religion/God and science can not coexist are the atheists. So, what's your point?

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: MJPeterson ()
Date: December 27, 2012 07:26PM

Beryllium10 Wrote:
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> The dinosaurs were an experiment in genetic
> engineering when the earth was being colonized
> with various forms of life by entities from other
> parts of the universe.


Man, now this trooth guy is going to pull out his thesaurus (he also believes this to be a dinosaur hand carved by the messiah) and nail your nuts to the wall. Too bad he has yet to use any factual evidence and apparently thinks that all modern science is "mumbo-jumbo". Go back to texas and start llama farming, we don't want you here. Build a boat with cacti and wait for the flood to wash away the sodomites.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 27, 2012 07:54PM

Trooth Wrote:
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>
> Religion and science are only incompatible to the
> anti-Godhadists like you.

The argument of 'non-overlapping magisteria' is bogus. Religion (specifically Abrahamic religion) makes specific claims about the origins of mankind and the universe, ideas that religionists like yourself believe despite strong contradictory evidence. Religion is supposed to be absolute truth, but you can't logically believe in two conflicting arguments at the same time. Religious beliefs are entirely within the realm of scientific criticism- for the same reason that belief in ghosts or séances should be scrutinized and questioned.

Call it Nazism, Communism, or whatever. The fact remains that your religious faith is almost certainly wrong at explaining what we know about reality. It doesn't even question it.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: who cares ()
Date: December 27, 2012 07:55PM

no god in schools anymore. thats whats wrong in this country. so, the teacher said the right thing, god wasnt included in evolution.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Faster Atheists ()
Date: December 27, 2012 08:13PM

Trooth Wrote:
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> The rapid atheists focus on the latter, trying to

It's tough to keep up with such quick atheists.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: White Zombies ()
Date: December 28, 2012 12:25AM

You have to be fast to elude the fast Christian zombies.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 28, 2012 02:13AM

MJPeterson Wrote:
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> Beryllium10 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The dinosaurs were an experiment in genetic
> > engineering when the earth was being colonized
> > with various forms of life by entities from
> other
> > parts of the universe.
>
>
> Man, now this trooth guy is going to pull out his
> thesaurus (he also believes this to be a dinosaur
> hand carved by the messiah) and nail your nuts to
> the wall. Too bad he has yet to use any factual
> evidence and apparently thinks that all modern
> science is "mumbo-jumbo". Go back to texas and
> start llama farming, we don't want you here.
> Build a boat with cacti and wait for the flood to
> wash away the sodomites.

Thanks for proving my point MJ. I don't care if you want me here or not. You are the screaming, intellectually dishonest minority. Like a little child throwing a tantrum because someone told you how vapid and empty your argument is. Once again the disciple of the religion of nothingness lies, distorts and hates. Your like a broken record that just keeps playing the same lame notes. Like all anti-Godhadists, your hate is strong, but your logic is weak.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: WTF is a godhadist? ()
Date: December 28, 2012 02:20AM

What the fuck is a godhadist? Whatever the fuck it is, I guess I'm anti it, because the word is fucking stupid.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 28, 2012 02:28AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Trooth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Religion and science are only incompatible to
> the
> > anti-Godhadists like you.
>
> The argument of 'non-overlapping magisteria' is
> bogus. Religion (specifically Abrahamic religion)
> makes specific claims about the origins of mankind
> and the universe, ideas that religionists like
> yourself believe despite strong contradictory
> evidence. Religion is supposed to be absolute
> truth, but you can't logically believe in two
> conflicting arguments at the same time. Religious
> beliefs are entirely within the realm of
> scientific criticism- for the same reason that
> belief in ghosts or séances should be scrutinized
> and questioned.
>
> Call it Nazism, Communism, or whatever. The fact
> remains that your religious faith is almost
> certainly wrong at explaining what we know about
> reality. It doesn't even question it.


Tell us where the Bible is wrong. You can't. You point to the first book of Genesis and tell us that we know how planets and stars form. But you don't know how the universe formed and that is what Genesis is describing. The creation of the laws of physics.

Again, you inject your warped opinion as accepted fact and then knit your "truth" (well, 'almost certainly' truth anyway). Like all faux scientists, you have already formed your conclusions (not hypothesis) and simply dismiss the inconsistencies as inconvenient. The fact remains that it is the hate-filled chruch of reason (see MJ as an example) who can't stand to be challenged. It is your side who lash out, who use the 1st amendment like a sledge hammer to silence any dissent.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Sucks to be persecuted ()
Date: December 28, 2012 03:06AM

It sucks to be persecuted, but I suspect that christians need to feel persecuted. If they don't have something to fight for, then nobody really pays them enough attention.

Look at me, I believe in god, aren't I good? Look at me, I got dressed up and dragged my family to church on sunday morning! Look at me, they are waging war on christmas! Look at me, jesus is the one true savior!

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Stanley Miller ()
Date: December 28, 2012 07:22AM

Stanley Miller created over 20 different amino acids using just water, methane, ammonia, and hydrogen. Is he god for creating the building blocks of life?

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: December 28, 2012 08:54AM

Trooth Wrote:
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>
> that is what Genesis is describing. The creation of the laws of physics.


1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be electromagnetism." And there were photons at many different wavelengths.
4 And God saw the visible portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, and it was good.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: December 28, 2012 09:01AM

Apparently , one of the best things about being religious is the camouflage it provides for mental illness.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Change ()
Date: December 28, 2012 09:09AM

Time for a change. Get your kid out of the FCPS system before it is too late.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Terra X ()
Date: December 28, 2012 09:41AM

Beryllium10 Wrote:
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> The dinosaurs were an experiment in genetic
> engineering when the earth was being colonized
> with various forms of life by entities from other
> parts of the universe.

You almost got it right. The Cambrian Explosion was in fact a large-scale terraforming project.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: bornagaindad ()
Date: December 28, 2012 10:37AM

Trooth Wrote:
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> bornagaindad Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My dad is born again and he tried this argument
> > too - if science is fallible why believe its
> > conclusions. We talked about climate science
> and
> > he pointed out that it is never 100% certain
> > therefore no need to 'believe' in it. He used
> to
> > be a private pilot so I asked him if he ever
> > checked weather in pre-flight. Of course he
> > always did so I asked why.
> >
> > He got the connection. Science says nothing
> about
> > what will ultimately happen but it says a lot
> > about what will happen next...
>
>
> Did he point out that Mars also has experienced
> global warming at the same time as earth? Is
> America causing that too? It's one thing to
> question the existence of God. It's quite another
> to declare authoritatively that there is no God.
> The rapid atheists focus on the latter, trying to
> push any views that question them as superstitious
> mumbo-jumbo as if they have a clue what they're
> talking about. Again, the only people who declare
> that religion/God and science can not coexist are
> the atheists. So, what's your point?

1. No we did not discuss Mars but there is a discussion here http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html Science embraces evidence and discussion so Im glad you asked.

2. Neither my Dad nor I deny or question the existence of God.

I was curious as to why he would selectively choose when to believe science and when not to believe science.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Brain Drain ()
Date: December 28, 2012 03:41PM

bornagaindad Wrote:
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>
> I was curious as to why he would selectively
> choose when to believe science and when not to
> believe science.


Because most people do not learn how to be intellectually honest. They pick and choose facts that agree with their preconceived notions rather than allowing new information to shape their understanding.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 28, 2012 04:11PM

Stanley Miller Wrote:
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> Stanley Miller created over 20 different amino
> acids using just water, methane, ammonia, and
> hydrogen. Is he god for creating the building
> blocks of life?


Where did he get the water, methane, ammonia and hydrogen? Did he create those too? I built a shed out of wood. I didn't make the boards, grow the trees, forge the nails, create the power tools that I used, but I made a dang good shed. Using your (il)logic, that would make me a god.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 28, 2012 04:28PM

bornagaindad Wrote:

>
> 1. No we did not discuss Mars but there is a
> discussion here
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climat
> e-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html
> Science embraces evidence and discussion so Im
> glad you asked.
>
> 2. Neither my Dad nor I deny or question the
> existence of God.
>
> I was curious as to why he would selectively
> choose when to believe science and when not to
> believe science.


1. Not sure what your point is. This article doesn't come to any conclusions and just putters around the issue of warming on Mars.

2. Questioning is good. We should all question the existence of God. I believe He is cool with that. If someone comes the conclusion after seeking God that He does not exist, so be it. It's the tyrannical atheists who seek to force their views on the other 80% of us who believe in God that are the problem.

Global warming has turned out to be a bunch of junk science with a polticial/economic agenda. I remember when the oceans were going to die by the year 2000 if we didn't act immediately in the 1970's. That ended up being a lie. Now we've heard the same thing about global warming.

Blindly believing anything is dangerous, be it religion or science. Selecting what to believe in is fundementally human. You imply that we must believe all scientists if we're to believe any scientists. That is a deductive fallacy and thus, illogical.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Ur trying too hard ()
Date: December 28, 2012 04:30PM

Trooth Wrote:
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> Where did he get the water, methane, ammonia and
> hydrogen? Did he create those too? I built a
> shed out of wood. I didn't make the boards, grow
> the trees, forge the nails, create the power tools
> that I used, but I made a dang good shed. Using
> your (il)logic, that would make me a god.


He didn't claim he was a god. But anyone who uses the "where did it come from" argument to prove God exists is wrong.

The idea that life cannot come to be without some other life to create it is simple minded. Proteins exist because over millions or billions of years, simpler elements combined to create more complex compounds.

Thinking that a God is necessary for existence to exist is silly. How did the God come to exist? Is there are god that created god, and who created that god?

Fairy tales are certainly comforting, but they don't explain existence as well as probability does -- the universe exists because nature abhors a vacuum. It is there becuase if it wasn't there, something else would exist in its place.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Blow the bridges ()
Date: December 28, 2012 06:03PM

Trooth Wrote:
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> bornagaindad Wrote:
>
> >
> > 1. No we did not discuss Mars but there is a
> > discussion here
> >
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climat
>
> > e-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html
> > Science embraces evidence and discussion so Im
> > glad you asked.
> >
> > 2. Neither my Dad nor I deny or question the
> > existence of God.
> >
> > I was curious as to why he would selectively
> > choose when to believe science and when not to
> > believe science.
>
>
> 1. Not sure what your point is. This article
> doesn't come to any conclusions and just putters
> around the issue of warming on Mars.
>
> 2. Questioning is good. We should all question
> the existence of God. I believe He is cool with
> that. If someone comes the conclusion after
> seeking God that He does not exist, so be it.
> It's the tyrannical atheists who seek to force
> their views on the other 80% of us who believe in
> God that are the problem.
>
> Global warming has turned out to be a bunch of
> junk science with a polticial/economic agenda. I
> remember when the oceans were going to die by the
> year 2000 if we didn't act immediately in the
> 1970's. That ended up being a lie. Now we've
> heard the same thing about global warming.
>
> Blindly believing anything is dangerous, be it
> religion or science. Selecting what to believe in
> is fundementally human. You imply that we must
> believe all scientists if we're to believe any
> scientists. That is a deductive fallacy and thus,
> illogical.

This is the typical kind of meandering BS that we aways get from the religious crowd

There is a fundamental difference between religion and science.

Religion starts with a random and incompatible story that you happen to be old by an authority figure from which ever country you're in - it could be christian, animist, buddhist, satanist, spiritualist or whatever - it doesn't matter, none of them have any convincing mechanism from distinguishing between the various religions, sects, sub-sects and cults that stands up any attention

Science on, the other hand, starts from what can be physically observed and produces models that explain those observations, Different strands of modeling and explanation start from different places and the job of science is to expand and combine them into a coherent whole - adapting and improving the models in line with the evidence. When a phenomenon turns up that cannot be explained by the models, when two pieces of the whole don't line up neatly or when a prediction about previously unobserved phenomena turns out to be inaccurate - science picks that up as a challenge and looks for the missing pieces.

What that means is that anyone, without having to trust priests or shamans, can pick up any strand of science and follow it through from observations to models and predictions - you can observe radio-active decay in your own lab and use it to estimate the age of materials, you can observe the doppler effect in train whistles, use it to build radar guns and then to estimate the speed of galaxies - not someone else, YOU. You may need to study math past 5th grade and you may have to actually look at the evidence, but anyone can do it - no divine revelation needed

We now understand so much that no single individual can understand it in as much depth as the whole of the scientific and engineering communities - but you can choose the parts that you want to drill drown into, you can look at the whole architecture of science and the world around us - and see the self consistent ideas rippling through that architecture - and you can tie it to the observable evidence as well as the predictions and the level of our confidence in those predictions,

The scientific process and the scientific establishment is very conservative - its very clear at any time about the limits of its explanations and predictions. For example, we can observe that our predictions of quantum mechanics and traditional mechanics really do work in the real world and in the devices we build - chemistry does whet you'd expect it to do and planes don't fall out of the sky, planets don't leave their orbits. However we still don't know exactly how to make the math line up at the two different scales - and hence this is typical of an area of intensive research. One thing we can be pretty sure about is that there are no daemons scribbling the accounts between the scales and moving the pieces around to make sure everything lines up - and it is increasingly clear that there is no 'God-of-the-gaps', that there are no phenomena which require supernatural explanation. When we look at finer and finer resolutions - we see cells, molecules, atoms, quarks and the like - no one has every observed a single angel camping out on a pin head

The fundamental difference between religion and science is that religion claims to be independent of evidence, whereas science actively seeks out evidence, confirmation and contradiction

The process of science is the single most powerful tool mankind has ever created. Science explains the vast majority of the universe that we see around us at ever increasing scales and resolutions.

The trick is not 'selecting what to believe' - its knowing how to apply what can be shown to be true to new problems, getting the data, doing the math. Not asking a shaman, a talk show host or a lobbyist.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: MJPeterson ()
Date: December 28, 2012 06:18PM

BEH Wrote:
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> Apparently , one of the best things about being
> religious is the camouflage it provides for mental
> illness.

+1

Unfortunately, there is no real arguing with a zealot set in circular logic.
Example:
God created the world and put his signs on the earth for man to discover as revealed in the bible/torah/koran. How do we know that? Because of the bible said so. How can we prove that? Look at the signs. How do we know that the signs were put there? Because the bible said so. How can we prove that? Look at the signs...
Take a minute to step outside the circle like every other person who uses "reason and logic/anti-Goddhadists" as you've said.
And the only reason I want you to leave Fairfax is because BEH is right, I don't feel safe around you crazies unless you're under observation in a ward.
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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: A pious believer ()
Date: December 29, 2012 12:11AM

Dear Pious Parent,

I believe in God, but I do not follow the same religion as yours.

Still, I appreciate your concern about your daughter.

Do not worry, because she'll be what you'll teach her to be.

Teach her to always follow the reason, to look around and see what nature is saying. All those messages and signs that tell us that God is there, and has been there, and will be there after we're gone.

We have a brain, we should use it.

Most people supporting evolutionism, didn't even think about it. That's just a quick answer they heard and stored in their mind and believed in it without verifying its authenticity.

I love how you suggested the teacher should explain that there are multiple views regarding the subject. It shows how open-minded you are, and how close-minded is the teacher for telling your daughter that she is wrong.

I'm really disgusted by the replies of other people on this topic.

Maybe it's time to teach your daughter how to fight for her opinions, if she truly believes in them. Give her more proofs that this universe is God made.

Peace and submission to the merciful creator.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: A believer in Jesus ()
Date: December 29, 2012 12:22AM


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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: children are the future ()
Date: December 29, 2012 12:24AM

Maybe it's time to teach your daughter how to fight for her opinions, if she truly believes in them. Give her more proofs that this universe is God made.

Peace and submission to the merciful creator.
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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Blow the bridges ()
Date: December 29, 2012 12:19PM

A pious believer Wrote:
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> Dear Pious Parent,
>
> I believe in God, but I do not follow the same
> religion as yours.
>
> Still, I appreciate your concern about your
> daughter.
>
> Do not worry, because she'll be what you'll teach
> her to be.
>
> Teach her to always follow the reason, to look
> around and see what nature is saying. All those
> messages and signs that tell us that God is there,
> and has been there, and will be there after we're
> gone.
>
> We have a brain, we should use it.
>
> Most people supporting evolutionism, didn't even
> think about it. That's just a quick answer they
> heard and stored in their mind and believed in it
> without verifying its authenticity.
>
> I love how you suggested the teacher should
> explain that there are multiple views regarding
> the subject. It shows how open-minded you are, and
> how close-minded is the teacher for telling your
> daughter that she is wrong.
>
> I'm really disgusted by the replies of other
> people on this topic.
>
> Maybe it's time to teach your daughter how to
> fight for her opinions, if she truly believes in
> them. Give her more proofs that this universe is
> God made.
>
> Peace and submission to the merciful creator.


A new record!!!!

The most BS response yet - a winner

There are no other evidence based or evidence compatible explanations other than evolution able to deal with any scrutiny. For any teacher to claim that there are any reasonable alternatives that stand up to the light of day would have been deeply irresponsible.

What are these other explanations? That god was tweaking each generation we see in the fossil record by hand until getting bored with myriad species and tossing them into the oblivion of extinction - poor little trilobites just didn't fit with the grand plan? That the geological record is just a sneaky joke? All those layers and well understood chemistry and radioactive decay just there to fool us? Plate tectonics not real - god just rushed the pieces around on day 2 wiping out species as he went? All that residual movement in earthquakes and volcanoes is just because he didn't get the chance to glue everything down properly? None of those stars and galaxies we see are real, they're just painted on the night-sky

Closed minded is not accepting any half baked idea with no evidentiary backing, closed minded is refusing to follow the evidence and apply rigor to ideas?

Even the pope accepts religion - although that does mean progressively bits of scripture as being 'for illustrative purposes only' until they'll finally be nothing left.

Faith is not an excuse for ignoring evidence and analysis

Religion is a rapidly rotting pre-enlightenment idea, destined for the scrap heap of history - and should be kept well and truly out of our schools

'disgusted by the replies ...' - simple solution - get an education or just apply some critical thinking to what you see around you

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: thetruth ()
Date: December 29, 2012 12:35PM

Dinosaurs are about the dopiest thing ever dreamed up by so called scientists, the teacher is right, God didn't create them because they never existed. The deniers are ever so inventive when conjuring up false idols.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Blow the bridges ()
Date: December 29, 2012 02:41PM

thetruth Wrote:
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> Dinosaurs are about the dopiest thing ever dreamed
> up by so called scientists, the teacher is right,
> God didn't create them because they never existed.
> The deniers are ever so inventive when conjuring
> up false idols.

What?

Okay, even though I know better, I'll rise to the bait- so all of those well preserved bones and tissue imprints at well defined levels in the geological record are what exactly? Demon bones? Angel wings? Really fat mice?

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 29, 2012 03:20PM

Ur trying too hard Wrote:
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>
>
> He didn't claim he was a god. But anyone who uses
> the "where did it come from" argument to prove God
> exists is wrong.
>
> The idea that life cannot come to be without some
> other life to create it is simple minded.
> Proteins exist because over millions or billions
> of years, simpler elements combined to create more
> complex compounds.
>
> Thinking that a God is necessary for existence to
> exist is silly. How did the God come to exist?
> Is there are god that created god, and who created
> that god?
>
> Fairy tales are certainly comforting, but they
> don't explain existence as well as probability
> does -- the universe exists because nature abhors
> a vacuum. It is there becuase if it wasn't there,
> something else would exist in its place.


Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but your post is nothing but that...your opinion. The biggest problem with the religion of human secularism is that it can not answer the fundemental problem of where did everything come from. They have to suspend the laws of physics to answer it. Something can't come from nothing. Energy can not self-actuate. An unregulated system can not evolve over the course of billions of years (it should devolve as unregulation leads to chaos). The impossibility of self initated perpetual motion. All of these things must be ignored if we're to believe that the universe created itself. And since you and your religion of intolerance and self-centeredness can't answer the basic question, then anything is possible, including the existence of God. In fact, it is easily possible and supported by both logic, deductive reasoning and tangible evidence.

So you have your opinion. I have mine. Neither is proveable. Why do you anti-Godhaists feel the need to shout everyone else down because they don't agree with you? You can't defend your position so you try and silence the other side (see OP's post for example). Believe what you want, but stop telling anyone else (other than perhaps your kids) what to believe and stop acting like you're smarter than anyone else because of your opinions. 'Cause you know what they say about opinions.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: Trooth ()
Date: December 29, 2012 03:31PM

MJPeterson Wrote:
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> BEH Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Apparently , one of the best things about being
> > religious is the camouflage it provides for
> mental
> > illness.
>
> +1
>
> Unfortunately, there is no real arguing with a
> zealot set in circular logic.
> Example:
> God created the world and put his signs on the
> earth for man to discover as revealed in the
> bible/torah/koran. How do we know that? Because
> of the bible said so. How can we prove that?
> Look at the signs. How do we know that the signs
> were put there? Because the bible said so. How
> can we prove that? Look at the signs...
> Take a minute to step outside the circle like
> every other person who uses "reason and
> logic/anti-Goddhadists" as you've said.
> And the only reason I want you to leave Fairfax is
> because BEH is right, I don't feel safe around you
> crazies unless you're under observation in a ward.


MJ, there are zealots on both sides. And only one of us is posting as a zealot (and it isn't me). First you spew hate. Now you admit you fear that which challenges you. Couple that with your incivility, intolerance and reasoning skills of a 3rd grade bully and you are a shining example of the Church of Reason and the religion of human secularism. You haven't contributed one insightful or reasonable thing to this discussion yet. You are apparently too emotional to engage without being rude, judgemental and juvenile. Calm down. There's 7 billion people in the world and all of them disagree with you about something. Only a zealot would become so unhinged and take it personally when their faith is questioned.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: doubletruthruth ()
Date: December 29, 2012 04:41PM

Blow the bridges Wrote:
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> thetruth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dinosaurs are about the dopiest thing ever
> dreamed
> > up by so called scientists, the teacher is
> right,
> > God didn't create them because they never
> existed.
> > The deniers are ever so inventive when
> conjuring
> > up false idols.
>
> What?
>
> Okay, even though I know better, I'll rise to the
> bait- so all of those well preserved bones and
> tissue imprints at well defined levels in the
> geological record are what exactly? Demon bones?
> Angel wings? Really fat mice?


First, who created the so called geological levels? If you're in the middle of creating birds, bees, trees, and all species of incredible complexity, adding a few bones in the mix is hardly a stretch. Second, most of those findings are on the level of alien sightings, made up stories by people trying to sell pictures and make a living off a hoax.

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Re: Teacher told my kid that God didn't create the dinosaurs
Posted by: bornagaindad ()
Date: December 29, 2012 04:50PM

Trooth Wrote:
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> bornagaindad Wrote:
>
> >
> > 1. No we did not discuss Mars but there is a
> > discussion here
> >
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climat
>
> > e-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html
> > Science embraces evidence and discussion so Im
> > glad you asked.
> >
> > 2. Neither my Dad nor I deny or question the
> > existence of God.
> >
> > I was curious as to why he would selectively
> > choose when to believe science and when not to
> > believe science.
>
>
> 1. Not sure what your point is. This article
> doesn't come to any conclusions and just putters
> around the issue of warming on Mars.
>
> 2. Questioning is good. We should all question
> the existence of God. I believe He is cool with
> that. If someone comes the conclusion after
> seeking God that He does not exist, so be it.
> It's the tyrannical atheists who seek to force
> their views on the other 80% of us who believe in
> God that are the problem.

Perhaps the Atheists feel the same way about Christians - the government doesnt close for any Atheist day does it.
>
> Global warming has turned out to be a bunch of
> junk science with a polticial/economic agenda. I
> remember when the oceans were going to die by the
> year 2000 if we didn't act immediately in the
> 1970's. That ended up being a lie. Now we've
> heard the same thing about global warming.

This is my point. You claim that Climate Change is junk science. The field of Climate science as a whole overwhelming agrees warming caused by man is increasing the global temperature. Some people, including a very small percent of actual climate scientists refute this but that does not change the overwhelming consensus. YOU choose not to believe the conclusions of virtually all Climate scientists. That is what is interesting to me. Yet, if you were a pilot like my dad I would find it very unlikely you would fly into conditions predicted by weather scientists to be very dangerous. Why? Why go with consensus in scientific method in preflight but not in climate change?
>
> Blindly believing anything is dangerous, be it
> religion or science. Selecting what to believe in
> is fundementally human. You imply that we must
> believe all scientists if we're to believe any
> scientists. That is a deductive fallacy and thus,
> illogical.
I certainly did not mean to imply such an indefensible position. In fact the very foundation of science is questioning results. Scientists are given awards for DISproving dogma as much as proving a new result. I respectfully submit that the all or nothing argument you present is not only a Straw Man argument but the exact opposite of the scientific method.

In closing I have neither stated or implied my own beliefs in God. Further I have not asserted what if anything anyone should believe about Climate Change. I have pointed out the fact that Climate Change scientists are in virtually universal agreement man's actions have contributed to global climate change. Lastly I am somewhat curious why some people, including people of faith choose to selectively believe the field of Climate science.

Unfortunately your replies have offered me little in the way of insight. Instead you throw out terms like 'junk science' without acknowledging the fact that 97% of Climate scientists would have to agree with junk conclusions for that to be true. Your assertion that the 3% of Climate scientists that do not believe man caused climate change are more correct than the ninety seven percent that do is illogical

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