Now that it's abundantly clear that the "assault rifle" ban will be renewed, I needed a recommendation for the cheapest one (semi-auto rifle) out there that is still semi-reliable.

I have been a responsible handgun owner since I was 22 and want to get one before the option is taken away from me.

Any recommendations on one and where to get one? I'd like to do it before they announce the ARB renewal and prices skyrocket.

Also, fuck crazy people for ruining things for everyone else and for hurting innocent kids. Sad.

Bro, I sympathize, but out of respect give it a day or two since what happened in Conn today. We can talk later

Hard to go wrong with an AK or an SKS. http://www.classicfirearms.com/ has some good prices.

If you dig around, you should be able to get an SKS under $300.

There will not be a new assault weapons ban as long as the Republicans control the House of Representatives.

RegularVirginian Wrote:
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> Now that it's abundantly clear that the "assault
> rifle" ban will be renewed, I needed a
> recommendation for the cheapest one (semi-auto
> rifle) out there that is still semi-reliable.
>
> I have been a responsible handgun owner since I
> was 22 and want to get one before the option is
> taken away from me.
>
> Any recommendations on one and where to get one?
> I'd like to do it before they announce the ARB
> renewal and prices skyrocket.
>
> Also, fuck crazy people for ruining things for
> everyone else and for hurting innocent kids. Sad.

Gun shops are already starting the paranoia to sell guns again. Sweet. I'm assuming every gun shop will also be saying handguns and ammo will be banned too.

Better buy every gun you see fast.

They may be fun to shoot but what is the purpose of owning a semi-automatic assault rifle in Fairfax County?

I, for one, collect them. It's a free country. I love guns and I'm no hillbilly. I love them, so I collect them. A gun is just a tool, it's psycho school killers that are evil. Not the gun. If they didn't have access to guns they would be using explosives like the worst school murder (not shooting) in US History (58 dead by explosives in 1928).

Here's the semi-auto rifles and one auto that I own. They are worth every penny.

LMT MRP CQB Piston
LMT MRP CQB 6.8 SPC DI
Colt MT6731
Colt LE6920
FNC para
FNC standard
S&H Autosear for FNC
I/O AK-47
D-Technik Vz.58
LMT 10.5" AR upper on a Seekins billet pistol lower
Self made 7.5" AR Pistol from 80% billet
H&K MR556 piston upper on a self-made Anderson lower
Sig Sauer 556 classic
FN SCAR 16s
H&K SL8 to G36 Conversion
Self made 300AAC upper on polymer lower

The gun industry cooks its food over the fire that is paranoia. The NRA feeds that fire.

Forgot, I also have an AR57 FN 5.7 upper. I also have two kids in Fairfax County elementary school and I still don't feel we need to ban guns. Take away Call of Duty from teenagers and lock up the crazies, but guns are perfectly fine.

Collecting is great. But if you aren't a collector why would someone need an assault rifle in fairfax?

"A gun is just a tool"

Maybe so, but I use use tools to build things. The ultimate purpose of a gun is to kill whether you use them or not. No issue here with owning guns. I have several myself.Glorifying killing in games, movies, tv and the likes has gotten out of hand.

Curious Too Wrote:
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> Collecting is great. But if you aren't a collector
> why would someone need an assault rifle in
> fairfax?


First of all, an assault rifle was NOT used in the CONN school shooting. That lame bushmaster was in his trunk. This case has nothing to do with Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the media are bringing assault rifles into it for no reason. I use my AK for home defence. Some people hunt with it. I live in an expensive neighborhood in FX and I sleep better knowing I have an AK with a Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The AK is for home defense. The ARs are for collecting.

Johnnies Wrote:
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> Curious Too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Collecting is great. But if you aren't a
> collector
> > why would someone need an assault rifle in
> > fairfax?
>
>
> First of all, an assault rifle was NOT used in the
> CONN school shooting. That lame bushmaster was in
> his trunk. This case has nothing to do with
> Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the media
> are bringing assault rifles into it for no reason.
> I use my AK for home defence. Some people hunt
> with it. I live in an expensive neighborhood in
> FX and I sleep better knowing I have an AK with a
> Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The AK is
> for home defense. The ARs are for collecting.

All assualt rifles should be banned. Period.
I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one 42 years ago. Any American that would own one is disgrace to this country.
For home defense? That's stupid.

Will the anti-gun crowd ever be satisfied?

Serve your country Wrote:
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> Johnnies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Curious Too Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Collecting is great. But if you aren't a
> > collector
> > > why would someone need an assault rifle in
> > > fairfax?
> >
> >
> > First of all, an assault rifle was NOT used in
> the
> > CONN school shooting. That lame bushmaster was
> in
> > his trunk. This case has nothing to do with
> > Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the media
> > are bringing assault rifles into it for no
> reason.
> > I use my AK for home defence. Some people
> hunt
> > with it. I live in an expensive neighborhood
> in
> > FX and I sleep better knowing I have an AK with
> a
> > Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The AK is
> > for home defense. The ARs are for collecting.
>
> All assualt rifles should be banned. Period.
> I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one 42
> years ago. Any American that would own one is
> disgrace to this country.
> For home defense? That's stupid.

My AK is made by I/O - Inter-ordinance and American made, creating good paying, blue collar American jobs.

There is nothing more reliable than an AK and I own them all, Glocks, Sigs, etc. Lot of HK stuff too. For home defence I want the most reliable firearm there is and that's an AK. Period.

Serve your country Wrote:
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> Johnnies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Curious Too Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Collecting is great. But if you aren't a
> > collector
> > > why would someone need an assault rifle in
> > > fairfax?
> >
> >
> > First of all, an assault rifle was NOT used in
> the
> > CONN school shooting. That lame bushmaster was
> in
> > his trunk. This case has nothing to do with
> > Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the media
> > are bringing assault rifles into it for no
> reason.
> > I use my AK for home defence. Some people
> hunt
> > with it. I live in an expensive neighborhood
> in
> > FX and I sleep better knowing I have an AK with
> a
> > Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The AK is
> > for home defense. The ARs are for collecting.
>
> All assualt rifles should be banned. Period.
> I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one 42
> years ago. Any American that would own one is
> disgrace to this country.
> For home defense? That's stupid.


You are a fucking idiot!! Read the 2nd amendment dumb ass! There is nothing more american than the right to own any gun to defend yourself and your family! That right was preserved by our founding fathers specificly to ensure that americans have the means to defend themselvs from THE GOVERNMENT!! By takeing that right away, you are takeing a very big step towards communism. I have 2 AKs and I love my country and still believe strongly in the constitution and the principals it was founded on even if people like you dont! So fuck you for calling me a disgrace and for spitting on the 2nd amendment!

Serve your country Wrote:
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> Johnnies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Curious Too Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Collecting is great. But if you aren't a
> > collector
> > > why would someone need an assault rifle in
> > > fairfax?
> >
> >
> > First of all, an assault rifle was NOT used in
> the
> > CONN school shooting. That lame bushmaster was
> in
> > his trunk. This case has nothing to do with
> > Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the media
> > are bringing assault rifles into it for no
> reason.
> > I use my AK for home defence. Some people
> hunt
> > with it. I live in an expensive neighborhood
> in
> > FX and I sleep better knowing I have an AK with
> a
> > Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The AK is
> > for home defense. The ARs are for collecting.
>
> All assualt rifles should be banned. Period.
> I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one 42
> years ago. Any American that would own one is
> disgrace to this country.
> For home defense? That's stupid.

That's stupid.

Econ 101 Wrote:
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> RegularVirginian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Now that it's abundantly clear that the
> "assault
> > rifle" ban will be renewed, I needed a
> > recommendation for the cheapest one (semi-auto
> > rifle) out there that is still semi-reliable.
> >
> > I have been a responsible handgun owner since I
> > was 22 and want to get one before the option is
> > taken away from me.
> >
> > Any recommendations on one and where to get one?
>
> > I'd like to do it before they announce the ARB
> > renewal and prices skyrocket.
> >
> > Also, fuck crazy people for ruining things for
> > everyone else and for hurting innocent kids.
> Sad.
>
> Gun shops are already starting the paranoia to
> sell guns again. Sweet. I'm assuming every gun
> shop will also be saying handguns and ammo will be
> banned too.
>
> Better buy every gun you see fast.

That's stupid.

Second Amendment
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

This isn't an agrument about owning guns. But an assault rifle, AK or any other, seems like overkill for fairfax.

Personally I find baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and chevrolet to be more American

Banning guns won't work just like banning drugs doesn't work.

Instead, ban gun owners. And that is not a joke.

A "well-regulated militia" - require training and owner evaluation/licensing - just like driving.

In the Connecticut case the "apparent" owner of the guns was the now-dead mother. I wonder if she actually shot any of them or, instead, actually bought them for her literally-nutty son.

Olde Farte, II Wrote:
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> Banning guns won't work just like banning drugs
> doesn't work.
>
> Instead, ban gun owners. And that is not a joke.
>
> A "well-regulated militia" - require training and
> owner evaluation/licensing - just like driving.
>
> In the Connecticut case the "apparent" owner of
> the guns was the now-dead mother. I wonder if she
> actually shot any of them or, instead, actually
> bought them for her literally-nutty son.

I agree with your idea of requiring training, evaluation and licensing. I would propose a level of training and periodic testing/recertification that is on level with what the military or other government agency uses for different types of firearms (handguns, rifles, shotguns). For starters, minimum qualification could be set at the military equivalency of 'Marksman', which is what I am familiar with. Perhaps another government agency's qualifications standards would be more appropriate. Wouldn't be hard to figure that one out.

And no government handouts for those who want this training and ammo use - pay for it ourselves, or no firearm issue.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2012 09:47AM by Berdhuis.

Fucking idiot Wrote:
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> Serve your country Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Johnnies Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Curious Too Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Collecting is great. But if you aren't a
> > > collector
> > > > why would someone need an assault rifle in
> > > > fairfax?
> > >
> > >
> > > First of all, an assault rifle was NOT used
> in
> > the
> > > CONN school shooting. That lame bushmaster
> was
> > in
> > > his trunk. This case has nothing to do with
> > > Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the
> media
> > > are bringing assault rifles into it for no
> > reason.
> > > I use my AK for home defence. Some people
> > hunt
> > > with it. I live in an expensive neighborhood
> > in
> > > FX and I sleep better knowing I have an AK
> with
> > a
> > > Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The AK
> is
> > > for home defense. The ARs are for
> collecting.
> >
> > All assualt rifles should be banned. Period.
> > I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one 42
> > years ago. Any American that would own one is
> > disgrace to this country.
> > For home defense? That's stupid.
>
>
> You are a fucking idiot!! Read the 2nd amendment
> dumb ass! There is nothing more american than the
> right to own any gun to defend yourself and your
> family! That right was preserved by our founding
> fathers specificly to ensure that americans have
> the means to defend themselvs from THE
> GOVERNMENT!! By takeing that right away, you are
> takeing a very big step towards communism. I have
> 2 AKs and I love my country and still believe
> strongly in the constitution and the principals it
> was founded on even if people like you dont! So
> fuck you for calling me a disgrace and for
> spitting on the 2nd amendment!

You're wasting your keystrokes. Liberals will never admit to understanding
the 2nd Amendment. They're too lazy to read the Federalist Papers or God
forbid, the Militia Act or the National Guard Act. They're also out to lunch
on the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS rulings. Here we go again. The term
"of the people" appears 144 times in the Constitution but when it comes
to the 2nd Amendment they'll either deny or lie. Predictable.

DidMyHomework Wrote:
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> You're wasting your keystrokes. Liberals will
> never admit to understanding
> the 2nd Amendment. They're too lazy to read the
> Federalist Papers or God
> forbid, the Militia Act or the National Guard Act.
> They're also out to lunch
> on the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS rulings. Here we
> go again. The term
> "of the people" appears 144 times in the
> Constitution but when it comes
> to the 2nd Amendment they'll either deny or lie.
> Predictable.

Wrong, many do understand, and not just your notion of who "liberals" might be. Times change, and the Constitution allows for its own modification to address that. Note that the 2nd Amendment was just that, an amendment, not part of the original document.

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> DidMyHomework Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > You're wasting your keystrokes. Liberals will
> > never admit to understanding
> > the 2nd Amendment. They're too lazy to read the
> > Federalist Papers or God
> > forbid, the Militia Act or the National Guard
> Act.
> > They're also out to lunch
> > on the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS rulings. Here
> we
> > go again. The term
> > "of the people" appears 144 times in the
> > Constitution but when it comes
> > to the 2nd Amendment they'll either deny or
> lie.
> > Predictable.
>
> Wrong, many do understand, and not just your
> notion of who "liberals" might be. Times change,
> and the Constitution allows for its own
> modification to address that. Note that the 2nd
> Amendment was just that, an amendment, not part of
> the original document.

You obviously haven't done your homework.

@Jonnie,
How's that 556? would you consider a 516?

Also, how are the LMT's? are they pistons? do you think that they're top of the line ars? what about LWRCs?

Serve your country Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Johnnies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Curious Too Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Collecting is great. But if you aren't a
> > collector
> > > why would someone need an assault rifle in
> > > fairfax?
> >
> >
> > First of all, an assault rifle was NOT used in
> the
> > CONN school shooting. That lame bushmaster was
> in
> > his trunk. This case has nothing to do with
> > Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the media
> > are bringing assault rifles into it for no
> reason.
> > I use my AK for home defence. Some people
> hunt
> > with it. I live in an expensive neighborhood
> in
> > FX and I sleep better knowing I have an AK with
> a
> > Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The AK is
> > for home defense. The ARs are for collecting.
>
> All assualt rifles should be banned. Period.
> I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one 42
> years ago. Any American that would own one is
> disgrace to this country.
> For home defense? That's stupid.


Really?? So, by using your flawed logic, we shouldn't drive any foreign made cars because we have been at war with the Jerrys, the Japs and the Laundry Owners. Same thing applies to clothing, foodstuffs and misc home goods. Hell, anything that's available in this country we shouldn't buy because we have been at war, have been shot at by this makers of our consumer goods.

Your argument is invalid. Try again.

got sig? Wrote:
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> @Jonnie,
> How's that 556? would you consider a 516?
>
> Also, how are the LMT's? are they pistons? do you
> think that they're top of the line ars? what about
> LWRCs?

I have a very early American made Sig 556. It's never given me problems, but a Swiss 55X is worth 3 times more, so you can figure it out. I don't have a 516 or LWRC (I'm sure they are both very good), but the king of ARs is either a $950 Colt LE6920 or a $4,500 (street price) HK MR556 (civilian HK416). I have and love both. LMTs are well made and have quick change barrels. You can go from DI to piston and change calibres in a few minutes. The HK and LMT quality are TOP notch, but a Colt is just as good functionally. If you want even more reliability and a rifle that goes bang every time no matter what (have you scene Somali pirate Aks that still work???), just buy $500 AK and be done with it.

Gun Control Nut Jobs, the semi-automatic firearm hasn't changed in a hundred years. How come there weren't crazies mass shooting schools with a 1911 Colt .45 in 1911???? Guns and machines guns were even easier to get back in 1911.

Now watch this Call of Duty video and tell me the problem is the gun (that hasn't changed in 100 years) and not because Activision is actively programming our youth for massive violence. Ban "Call of Duty" or at least age restrict it and no more than an hour a day for minors.

http://youtu.be/UYWjkHeGxEg

DidMyHomework Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fucking idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Serve your country Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Johnnies Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Curious Too Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Collecting is great. But if you aren't a
> > > > collector
> > > > > why would someone need an assault rifle
> in
> > > > > fairfax?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > First of all, an assault rifle was NOT used
> > in
> > > the
> > > > CONN school shooting. That lame bushmaster
> > was
> > > in
> > > > his trunk. This case has nothing to do
> with
> > > > Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the
> > media
> > > > are bringing assault rifles into it for no
> > > reason.
> > > > I use my AK for home defence. Some
> people
> > > hunt
> > > > with it. I live in an expensive
> neighborhood
> > > in
> > > > FX and I sleep better knowing I have an AK
> > with
> > > a
> > > > Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The
> AK
> > is
> > > > for home defense. The ARs are for
> > collecting.
> > >
> > > All assualt rifles should be banned. Period.
> > > I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one
> 42
> > > years ago. Any American that would own one is
> > > disgrace to this country.
> > > For home defense? That's stupid.
> >
> >
> > You are a fucking idiot!! Read the 2nd
> amendment
> > dumb ass! There is nothing more american than
> the
> > right to own any gun to defend yourself and
> your
> > family! That right was preserved by our
> founding
> > fathers specificly to ensure that americans
> have
> > the means to defend themselvs from THE
> > GOVERNMENT!! By takeing that right away, you
> are
> > takeing a very big step towards communism. I
> have
> > 2 AKs and I love my country and still believe
> > strongly in the constitution and the principals
> it
> > was founded on even if people like you dont! So
> > fuck you for calling me a disgrace and for
> > spitting on the 2nd amendment!
>
> You're wasting your keystrokes. Liberals will
> never admit to understanding
> the 2nd Amendment. They're too lazy to read the
> Federalist Papers or God
> forbid, the Militia Act or the National Guard Act.
> They're also out to lunch
> on the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS rulings. Here we
> go again. The term
> "of the people" appears 144 times in the
> Constitution but when it comes
> to the 2nd Amendment they'll either deny or lie.
> Predictable.

I'm "Liberal" by anyone's standard and, interesting placement of commas by the Founding Fathers not withstanding, understand the 2nd Amendment full well. The constitution guarantees your right as an American to own guns. No dispute there. However...

What we need to do is repeal the unconstitutional law rammed through Congress in 2005 by the Bush Administration that restricts gun manufacturer, dealer, and owner liability. This was a wholesale negation of our rights as Americans to seek redress in court. Let the bereaved parents in Connecticut sue the bejesus out of Glock GesmbH, Bushmaster, Inc., SIG Sauer GmbH, Colt, Inc., and any other culpable gun manufacturer. They should also sue the estate of the mother, who was clearly negligent, and the local gun dealer who sold her the weapons, as that company or individual manifested depraved indifference to her subsequent storage and maintenance of them.

Losing a few lawsuits in the aggrieved communities where these tragedies have occurred will promote more than responsible behavior among gun owners, dealers, and manufacturers. Facing the possibility of a multi-million dollar judgement will certainly encourage gun owners to disable and secure their weapons when not in use. These are not cars, or toasters, or baseball bats; all of which can be used to kill, though that is not their purpose. Guns are instruments of killing. The constitution guarantees every American's right to own one, but it also guarantees every American's right to hold his or her neighbor accountable for stupid, reckless, and depraved behavior.

Guns are also an instrument of self defense. I remember the lawsuits that were being filed before the Congress exercised good sense and put a stop to it. Lawyers smelled money and anti-Constitutionalists were filing suits for the sole purpose of putting the manufacturers and distributors out of business. No way I'm buying into that.

Curious Too Wrote:
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> Second Amendment
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the
> security of a free state, the right of the people
> to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
>
> This isn't an agrument about owning guns. But an
> assault rifle, AK or any other, seems like
> overkill for fairfax.
>
> Personally I find baseball, hot dogs, apple pie
> and chevrolet to be more American


Ok, so what should the militia be allowed to arm themselves with, pellet guns and sling shots??

Very good point Sr Johnnie

Gewehr Wrote:
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> DidMyHomework Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fucking idiot Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Serve your country Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Johnnies Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Curious Too Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > Collecting is great. But if you aren't
> a
> > > > > collector
> > > > > > why would someone need an assault rifle
> > in
> > > > > > fairfax?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all, an assault rifle was NOT
> used
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > CONN school shooting. That lame
> bushmaster
> > > was
> > > > in
> > > > > his trunk. This case has nothing to do
> > with
> > > > > Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the
> > > media
> > > > > are bringing assault rifles into it for
> no
> > > > reason.
> > > > > I use my AK for home defence. Some
> > people
> > > > hunt
> > > > > with it. I live in an expensive
> > neighborhood
> > > > in
> > > > > FX and I sleep better knowing I have an
> AK
> > > with
> > > > a
> > > > > Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The
> > AK
> > > is
> > > > > for home defense. The ARs are for
> > > collecting.
> > > >
> > > > All assualt rifles should be banned.
> Period.
> > > > I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one
> > 42
> > > > years ago. Any American that would own one
> is
> > > > disgrace to this country.
> > > > For home defense? That's stupid.
> > >
> > >
> > > You are a fucking idiot!! Read the 2nd
> > amendment
> > > dumb ass! There is nothing more american than
> > the
> > > right to own any gun to defend yourself and
> > your
> > > family! That right was preserved by our
> > founding
> > > fathers specificly to ensure that americans
> > have
> > > the means to defend themselvs from THE
> > > GOVERNMENT!! By takeing that right away, you
> > are
> > > takeing a very big step towards communism. I
> > have
> > > 2 AKs and I love my country and still believe
> > > strongly in the constitution and the
> principals
> > it
> > > was founded on even if people like you dont!
> So
> > > fuck you for calling me a disgrace and for
> > > spitting on the 2nd amendment!
> >
> > You're wasting your keystrokes. Liberals will
> > never admit to understanding
> > the 2nd Amendment. They're too lazy to read the
> > Federalist Papers or God
> > forbid, the Militia Act or the National Guard
> Act.
> > They're also out to lunch
> > on the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS rulings. Here
> we
> > go again. The term
> > "of the people" appears 144 times in the
> > Constitution but when it comes
> > to the 2nd Amendment they'll either deny or
> lie.
> > Predictable.
>
> I'm "Liberal" by anyone's standard and,
> interesting placement of commas by the Founding
> Fathers not withstanding, understand the 2nd
> Amendment full well. The constitution guarantees
> your right as an American to own guns. No dispute
> there. However...
>
> What we need to do is repeal the unconstitutional
> law rammed through Congress in 2005 by the Bush
> Administration that restricts gun manufacturer,
> dealer, and owner liability. This was a wholesale
> negation of our rights as Americans to seek
> redress in court. Let the bereaved parents in
> Connecticut sue the bejesus out of Glock GesmbH,
> Bushmaster, Inc., SIG Sauer GmbH, Colt, Inc., and
> any other culpable gun manufacturer. They should
> also sue the estate of the mother, who was clearly
> negligent, and the local gun dealer who sold her
> the weapons, as that company or individual
> manifested depraved indifference to her subsequent
> storage and maintenance of them.
>
> Losing a few lawsuits in the aggrieved communities
> where these tragedies have occurred will promote
> more than responsible behavior among gun owners,
> dealers, and manufacturers. Facing the possibility
> of a multi-million dollar judgement will certainly
> encourage gun owners to disable and secure their
> weapons when not in use. These are not cars, or
> toasters, or baseball bats; all of which can be
> used to kill, though that is not their purpose.
> Guns are instruments of killing. The constitution
> guarantees every American's right to own one, but
> it also guarantees every American's right to hold
> his or her neighbor accountable for stupid,
> reckless, and depraved behavior.


Sue Glock?? Really?? You are a total fucking moron!

DidMyHomework Wrote:
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> Berdhuis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > DidMyHomework Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > You're wasting your keystrokes. Liberals will
> > > never admit to understanding
> > > the 2nd Amendment. They're too lazy to read
> the
> > > Federalist Papers or God
> > > forbid, the Militia Act or the National Guard
> > Act.
> > > They're also out to lunch
> > > on the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS rulings.
> Here
> > we
> > > go again. The term
> > > "of the people" appears 144 times in the
> > > Constitution but when it comes
> > > to the 2nd Amendment they'll either deny or
> > lie.
> > > Predictable.
> >
> > Wrong, many do understand, and not just your
> > notion of who "liberals" might be. Times
> change,
> > and the Constitution allows for its own
> > modification to address that. Note that the 2nd
> > Amendment was just that, an amendment, not part
> of
> > the original document.
>
> You obviously haven't done your homework.

You fail to refute my argument, and resort to a pithy metaphor in the absence of producing a coherent thought. Good bye.

You are also stupid Wrote:
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> Curious Too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Second Amendment
> > "A well regulated militia, being necessary to
> the
> > security of a free state, the right of the
> people
> > to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
> >
> > This isn't an agrument about owning guns. But
> an
> > assault rifle, AK or any other, seems like
> > overkill for fairfax.
> >
> > Personally I find baseball, hot dogs, apple pie
> > and chevrolet to be more American
>
>
> Ok, so what should the militia be allowed to arm
> themselves with, pellet guns and sling shots??

Issue them a rolled up copy of the Brady Bill. That would scare the shit out of
anybody. BTW, before the libs get their panties in a wad over the militia,
here's the States Constitutions definition.

http://www.militianet.org/law-virginia.shtml

Gewehr Wrote:
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> DidMyHomework Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fucking idiot Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Serve your country Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Johnnies Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Curious Too Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > Collecting is great. But if you aren't
> a
> > > > > collector
> > > > > > why would someone need an assault rifle
> > in
> > > > > > fairfax?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all, an assault rifle was NOT
> used
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > CONN school shooting. That lame
> bushmaster
> > > was
> > > > in
> > > > > his trunk. This case has nothing to do
> > with
> > > > > Assault Rifles. Gun control nuts and the
> > > media
> > > > > are bringing assault rifles into it for
> no
> > > > reason.
> > > > > I use my AK for home defence. Some
> > people
> > > > hunt
> > > > > with it. I live in an expensive
> > neighborhood
> > > > in
> > > > > FX and I sleep better knowing I have an
> AK
> > > with
> > > > a
> > > > > Bulgarian 40 round mag in it nearby. The
> > AK
> > > is
> > > > > for home defense. The ARs are for
> > > collecting.
> > > >
> > > > All assualt rifles should be banned.
> Period.
> > > > I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one
> > 42
> > > > years ago. Any American that would own one
> is
> > > > disgrace to this country.
> > > > For home defense? That's stupid.
> > >
> > >
> > > You are a fucking idiot!! Read the 2nd
> > amendment
> > > dumb ass! There is nothing more american than
> > the
> > > right to own any gun to defend yourself and
> > your
> > > family! That right was preserved by our
> > founding
> > > fathers specificly to ensure that americans
> > have
> > > the means to defend themselvs from THE
> > > GOVERNMENT!! By takeing that right away, you
> > are
> > > takeing a very big step towards communism. I
> > have
> > > 2 AKs and I love my country and still believe
> > > strongly in the constitution and the
> principals
> > it
> > > was founded on even if people like you dont!
> So
> > > fuck you for calling me a disgrace and for
> > > spitting on the 2nd amendment!
> >
> > You're wasting your keystrokes. Liberals will
> > never admit to understanding
> > the 2nd Amendment. They're too lazy to read the
> > Federalist Papers or God
> > forbid, the Militia Act or the National Guard
> Act.
> > They're also out to lunch
> > on the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS rulings. Here
> we
> > go again. The term
> > "of the people" appears 144 times in the
> > Constitution but when it comes
> > to the 2nd Amendment they'll either deny or
> lie.
> > Predictable.
>
> I'm "Liberal" by anyone's standard and,
> interesting placement of commas by the Founding
> Fathers not withstanding, understand the 2nd
> Amendment full well. The constitution guarantees
> your right as an American to own guns. No dispute
> there. However...
>
> What we need to do is repeal the unconstitutional
> law rammed through Congress in 2005 by the Bush
> Administration that restricts gun manufacturer,
> dealer, and owner liability. This was a wholesale
> negation of our rights as Americans to seek
> redress in court. Let the bereaved parents in
> Connecticut sue the bejesus out of Glock GesmbH,
> Bushmaster, Inc., SIG Sauer GmbH, Colt, Inc., and
> any other culpable gun manufacturer. They should
> also sue the estate of the mother, who was clearly
> negligent, and the local gun dealer who sold her
> the weapons, as that company or individual
> manifested depraved indifference to her subsequent
> storage and maintenance of them.
>
> Losing a few lawsuits in the aggrieved communities
> where these tragedies have occurred will promote
> more than responsible behavior among gun owners,
> dealers, and manufacturers. Facing the possibility
> of a multi-million dollar judgement will certainly
> encourage gun owners to disable and secure their
> weapons when not in use. These are not cars, or
> toasters, or baseball bats; all of which can be
> used to kill, though that is not their purpose.
> Guns are instruments of killing. The constitution
> guarantees every American's right to own one, but
> it also guarantees every American's right to hold
> his or her neighbor accountable for stupid,
> reckless, and depraved behavior.


That's dumb as shit. If some nutjob drives his car into a group of people, is it okay to sue Chevy?

If Rosie O'Donnell dies of a heart attack, is it okay to sue Taco Bell because it was her favorite restaurant?

Ak 47s are a peace of shit used against Americans in wars over the past 50 years and any real American would not own one. Shame on you. Show some respect.
Assault weapons should be banned.

Serve your country Wrote:
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> Ak 47s are a peace of shit used against Americans
> in wars over the past 50 years and any real
> American would not own one. Shame on you. Show
> some respect.
> Assault weapons should be banned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o

Listen to what Chauck has to say dip shit!

Restore the Republic Wrote:
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> Serve your country Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ak 47s are a peace of shit used against
> Americans
> > in wars over the past 50 years and any real
> > American would not own one. Shame on you. Show
> > some respect.
> > Assault weapons should be banned.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o
>
> Listen to what Chauck has to say dip shit!

Go play call of duty then jerk off. What are you going to do with an assault weapon? Shoot some paper? Nobody needs assault weapons except the military.
Be a man and serve your country.

The children were shot with the assault rifle

Ban all assault riles

Go Chuck!!

So what are your intentions? Wrote:
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> The children were shot with the assault rifle
>
> Ban all assault riles


No, they weren't asswipe. Glocks and that Sig are handguns.

ChuckIsWisd Wrote:
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> So what are your intentions? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The children were shot with the assault rifle
> >
> > Ban all assault riles
>
>
> No, they weren't asswipe. Glocks and that Sig are
> handguns.

This is exactly what I was talking about in a reply above when I said the
libs have to deny and lie. The news reports clearly state that the "assault
rifle" was in the trunk of the car and not used.

Grow up and get a life Wrote:
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> Restore the Republic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Serve your country Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ak 47s are a peace of shit used against
> > Americans
> > > in wars over the past 50 years and any real
> > > American would not own one. Shame on you.
> Show
> > > some respect.
> > > Assault weapons should be banned.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o
> >
> > Listen to what Chauck has to say dip shit!
>
> Go play call of duty then jerk off. What are you
> going to do with an assault weapon? Shoot some
> paper? Nobody needs assault weapons except the
> military.
> Be a man and serve your country.


What ever the hell I want. Yes shoot paper, as well as hunt and if necessary, protect myself, my property and my family from crazy fuckers like the phsycotic coward that just murdered 28 people or from tyranny! Thats why the second ammendment is there and weather you want to admit or not, "assault weapons" and guns in general are here to stay! So you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands!!

ChuckIsWisd Wrote:
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> So what are your intentions? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The children were shot with the assault rifle
> >
> > Ban all assault riles
>
>
> No, they weren't asswipe. Glocks and that Sig are
> handguns.


The coroner just made the statement.

DidMyHomework Wrote:
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> ChuckIsWisd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So what are your intentions? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The children were shot with the assault rifle
> > >
> > > Ban all assault riles
> >
> >
> > No, they weren't asswipe. Glocks and that Sig
> are
> > handguns.
>
> This is exactly what I was talking about in a
> reply above when I said the
> libs have to deny and lie. The news reports
> clearly state that the "assault
> rifle" was in the trunk of the car and not used.

These libtards don't even understand firearms. True military assault rifles are governed by the Geneva Convention. You can't use hollow points like handguns and must use full metal jackets. Also, in the 1960's the theory of military warfare became that it was better to use smaller bullets and more of them to wound, not kill, the enemy. A wounded soldier takes more resources than a dead enemy soldier. Next, civilian assault rifles are semi-auto only (unless restricted Class 3), making them even less potent and more like a 22LR. Rifles are for LONG Range. Are School Shootings or any Serial Killings at LONG RANGE?? Add all of that together and it's no wonder Lanza left his Bushmaster "assault rifle" look-alike in the trunk and took the 9mm handguns loaded with the hollow points (I'm sure). He was crazy, but not stupid. You guys don't even know what to ban. If I call a hula-hoop a death ring, will you ban that too ???

I can only come to one conclusion from this thread.

Fox News and Rush Limbo talked a lot about how Call Of Duty is responsible for school shootings all morning long.

Call of Duty seems to be on the minds of right wingers today.

Restore the Republic Wrote:
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> Grow up and get a life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Restore the Republic Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Serve your country Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Ak 47s are a peace of shit used against
> > > Americans
> > > > in wars over the past 50 years and any real
> > > > American would not own one. Shame on you.
> > Show
> > > > some respect.
> > > > Assault weapons should be banned.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o
> > >
> > > Listen to what Chauck has to say dip shit!
> >
> > Go play call of duty then jerk off. What are
> you
> > going to do with an assault weapon? Shoot some
> > paper? Nobody needs assault weapons except the
> > military.
> > Be a man and serve your country.
>
>
> What ever the hell I want. Yes shoot paper, as
> well as hunt and if necessary, protect myself, my
> property and my family from crazy fuckers like the
> phsycotic coward that just murdered 28 people or
> from tyranny! Thats why the second ammendment is
> there and weather you want to admit or not,
> "assault weapons" and guns in general are here to
> stay! So you can have my guns when you pry them
> from my cold dead hands!!

Please do not shoot children.

The med examiners report is in AND he did use the rifle for most if the killings. That lie that he used the handguns was wishful NRA thinking and NRA rumor mongering. He used the frigging rifle.

Know-Nothing Right Wingers Wrote:
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> The med examiners report is in AND he did use the
> rifle for most if the killings. That lie that he
> used the handguns was wishful NRA thinking and NRA
> rumor mongering. He used the frigging rifle.

Link or STFU.


Media matters: Mad dash for information in Connecticut school shooting leads to misinformation, on-the-fly corrections – but no mea culpas
By Conor Berry, The Republican
on December 15, 2012 at 4:15 PM, updated December 15, 2012 at 4:54 PM

As the mainstream media struggled to keep up with the seemingly ever-changing flow of information related to Friday's school shooting in Connecticut, one thing became abundantly clear: It was going to take a while for the facts to emerge, the half-truths to fade, and the misinformation to stop.


Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance conducts a news briefing on Saturday in Newtown, Conn., where 26 children and adults at Sandy Hook Elementary school were massacred by 20-year-old Adam Lanza. In the rush to nail down information in the fast-breaking story, many media outlets continuously updated and changed the narrative as they gained more information. But that didn't stop the widespread dissemination of incorrect information during the opening hours of the story.
AP Photo/Jason DeCrow
In the crush to remain competitive in a 24-7news cycle, various TV and online news reports varied wildly during the opening hours of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., where 20 youngsters, the school's principal and five faculty members were gunned down by a man whose motive to kill remains a mystery.

The gunman killed his mother and himself, leaving a potentially gaping hole in the narrative to a horror story that unfolded on an ordinary December morning during the holiday season in the Connecticut town.

It would take hours for even some of the most elementary facts in the shooting to come into focus, including the correct name and age of the shooter, 20-year-old Adam Lanza – alternately referred to in media accounts as a "genius" and a young man with a "personality disorder."

Another point of confusion was Nancy Lanza, the mother of Adam and his 24-year-old brother Ryan Lanza, the latter of whom was originally identified as the shooter. The older brother took to Facebook to vehemently deny breaking news reports identifying him as a cold-blooded killer who shot and killed his own mother, then took a 2½-mile trip to the school where she worked to kill more than two dozen others. "It wasn't me," Ryan Lanza protested on Facebook. "I was at work."

Several hours into the ordeal, a check of several television network and cable news channels revealed facts and figures that seemingly shifted by the minute, with some media reports citing a death toll in the high teens and others saying the number was closer to 30.

Similarly, Nancy Lanza was identified as a teacher at the school, a substitute teacher, and a teacher's aide, but Connecticut authorities so far have been unable to definitively link her to Sandy Hook Elementary School. A school official has since said Nancy Lanza was never a teacher at the school.


A car drives past the town line as the sun breaks the horizon on Saturday, a day after a school shooting tragedy in Newtown, Conn., the latest community to join the list of national mass-shooting sites in the U.S. The massacre of 26 children and adults at Sandy Hook Elementary school on Friday morning elicited horror and soul-searching around the world even as it raised more basic questions about why the gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, would have been driven to such a crime and how he chose his victims.
AP Photo/Charles Krupa
At one point, CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked a reporter in the field to spell out Ryan Lanza's surname, even though the elder Lanza was in New Jersey at the the time of the mass killing, and the man actually responsible for the slaughter was his younger brother, who was already dead. Adam Lanza committed suicide after fatally shooting 27 people, including his mother.

In the day's when newspapers dominated national and international news coverage, well before the advent of cable and Internet news, stories were thoroughly vetted for accuracy and facts were checked, then checked again. But in the Internet age, with Twitter, Facebook and various other online social media rapidly supplanting newspapers and TV news as the go-to source for many younger Americans, instant information often seems to trump well-sourced information in the battle to break news.

The Associated Press and other national media outlets have done their own analyses of breaking news dispatches that later proved to be inaccurate. Here are a few examples of information that failed to pan out:

– The shooter initially was identified as Ryan Lanza, with his age being reported by different media outlets as either 20 or 24. Ryan Lanza remained the presumed shooter until authorities corrected that established narrative, revealing that the shooter was actually, Adam Lanza, Ryan's 20-year-old brother. The confusion stemmed from the fact that Adam Lanza, who later killed himself, was carrying identification that indicated he may have been Ryan Lanza, his 24-year-old brother from Hoboken, N.J.

– Casualty counts ranged from the high teens to nearly 30 fatalities. The final homicide count was established Friday afternoon: 20 children and six adults, as well as Nancy Lanza and Adam Lanza, for a total of 28 dead.


Mourners gather for a vigil service for victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting at St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church in Newtown, Conn., on Friday. A man killed his mother at their home and then opened fire Friday inside the elementary school, massacring 26 people, including 20 children.
AP Photo/Andrew Gombert, Pool
– Different media reports simultaneously identified the location of Nancy Lanza's death as the school, where she reportedly was a teacher, and her home, which she shared with Adam Lanza. By Friday afternoon, however, authorities revealed that she had been fatally shot at her home.

– Nancy Lanza's ties to Sandy Hook Elementary were also questionable, with some reports describing her as a substitute teacher. Investigators have yet to officially establish any connection between her and the school, with the school Superintendent Janet Robinson claiming Nancy Lanza was never a teacher or substitute teacher Sandy Hook Elementary.

– The issue of whether or not Nancy Lanza was, indeed, a teacher at the school, and whether the attack happened in her classroom, prompted multiple on-air analysts to speculate that Adam Lanza was perhaps striking back at the children who competed for his mother's attention and affection.

– Descriptions of the clothing Adam Lanza wore also varied widely, from military-style camouflage to black paramilitary garb reminiscent of the outfits worn by 1999's Columbine killers.

– The firepower used in the attack was the subject of much discussion, too. Adam Lanza's weapons were listed as two pistols – a Glock and a Sig Sauer – as well as a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle. But it was unclear if the rifle was used in the assault, or if it was left in the car that he drove to the school. The rifle was later found in the trunk of the car.

– After more details emerged, network and cable news channels jockeyed to be the first to come up with a profile of Adam Lanza. Various reports indicated he was possibly "brilliant," on the autism spectrum, or merely a socially inept recluse who lived with his mother. More than 24 hours after the mass shooting, the national press corps was still trying to answer a simple question: Who was Adam Lanza?

– Also the subject of heavy speculation was how, precisely, Lanza gained access to the locked building, with some on-air analysts surmising he may have been let in because he was recognized as the son of a teacher at the school. Now, however, it is known that Lanza forced his way into the school, somehow bypassing or defeating an intercom system that requires visitors to be buzzed in by a school official.


Material from the Associated Press and New York Times was used in this report.
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Link to above story.


http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/12/media_matters_mad_dash_for_inf.html

Curious Too Wrote:
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> Second Amendment
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the
> security of a free state, the right of the people
> to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
>
> This isn't an agrument about owning guns. But an
> assault rifle, AK or any other, seems like
> overkill for fairfax.
>
> Personally I find baseball, hot dogs, apple pie
> and chevrolet to be more American


Assault Rifles are nothing more than a rifle. They just have a scary name attached to them. Theyre all semi automatic, aka normal guns and no different than a hunting rifle other than their ammo isnt as deadly as a .308 or the bigger rounds. Theyre fun to take to the range and fine for home defense if someone wanted to use them for that they can also be used for hunting just like every other gun.

The whole term is just a media scare tactic to sensationalize them. Just like when they talk about handguns they always say semi-automatic so they can get the word automatic in there to drum up the fear.

Really when it comes down to it you should either be able to have guns or not, not say oh well we trust you with these types but not those types. Youre either fit to have one or you arent.

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> Wrong, many do understand, and not just your
> notion of who "liberals" might be. Times change,
> and the Constitution allows for its own
> modification to address that. Note that the 2nd
> Amendment was just that, an amendment, not part of
> the original document.

So then you dont value free speech either its just an amendment. You do understand the first 10 were basically installed right away right?

The constitution can change but it has to be done with a new amendment. Not because someone says I dont like that anymore well just pretend it doesnt exist

y do u need a assault rifle?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/15/children-and-adults-gunned-down-in-connecticut-school-massacre/


The med examiner says all shots came from the long weapon (rifle not handgun). Also said each kid had multiple shots which obviously indicates it was the rifle.

Like I said earlier the right wingers are trying g to spread that the hand gun caused the carnage because they know the end is near in regards to their faux military weapons.

Anyone who owns or brags about owning an assault weapon in highly populated areas should be suspect. What has become of America? 25 years ago men bought revolvers,rifles and shotguns. Didn't talk about what they possessed and went about their lives. Now you have internet rambos who brag about their guns and sound like a bunch of stupid boys who definitely are compensating for masculinity. The bigger the better and spend time acting like it's your god given right to act macho cause you own a gun. To many movies and games.

Curious Too Wrote:
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> Second Amendment
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the
> security of a free state, the right of the people
> to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
>
> This isn't an agrument about owning guns. But an
> assault rifle, AK or any other, seems like
> overkill for fairfax.
>
> Personally I find baseball, hot dogs, apple pie
> and chevrolet to be more American

You are also stupid wrote
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Ok, so what should the militia be allowed to arm themselves with, pellet guns and sling shots??

Where did I say the militia shouldn't have assault rifles? For clarity I am talking about private citizens having these types of guns...not the military.I said I find it overkill to have an AK or other assault rifle in fairfax.

Curious Too Wrote:
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> Curious Too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Second Amendment
> > "A well regulated militia, being necessary to
> the
> > security of a free state, the right of the
> people
> > to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
> >
> > This isn't an agrument about owning guns. But
> an
> > assault rifle, AK or any other, seems like
> > overkill for fairfax.
> >
> > Personally I find baseball, hot dogs, apple pie
> > and chevrolet to be more American
>
> You are also stupid wrote
> --------------------------------------------------
> ---
> Ok, so what should the militia be allowed to arm
> themselves with, pellet guns and sling shots??
>
> Where did I say the militia shouldn't have assault
> rifles? For clarity I am talking about private
> citizens having these types of guns...not the
> military.I said I find it overkill to have an AK
> or other assault rifle in fairfax.

It's obvious that you do not know the difference between militia and military.
Will you please do us a favor and read the link I posted earlier?

Private citizens ARE the militia.

http://www.militianet.org/law-virginia.shtml

Back in 1911, the population was MUCH smaller. since these crazies only happen in a small percentage of the population, they simply didnt crop up. even if they did, they were quickly "suppressed".

Curious Too Wrote:
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> Curious Too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Second Amendment
> > "A well regulated militia, being necessary to
> the
> > security of a free state, the right of the
> people
> > to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
> >
> > This isn't an agrument about owning guns. But
> an
> > assault rifle, AK or any other, seems like
> > overkill for fairfax.
> >
> > Personally I find baseball, hot dogs, apple pie
> > and chevrolet to be more American
>
> You are also stupid wrote
> --------------------------------------------------
> ---
> Ok, so what should the militia be allowed to arm
> themselves with, pellet guns and sling shots??
>
> Where did I say the militia shouldn't have assault
> rifles? For clarity I am talking about private
> citizens having these types of guns...not the
> military.I said I find it overkill to have an AK
> or other assault rifle in fairfax.


A militia is made up of private citizens and just because you live in fairfax doesnt mean you shouldnt be able to own an AK.

The answer to the problem is MORE guns! If more law abiding citizens were carrieing and everyone knew it, crazy fuckers like the coward that did this would think twice before they acted. For example, if someone walked into a movie thearter in parts of Texas with a rifle and a gas mask, he would have been dead before the door closed behind him!

Restore the republic Wrote:
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> Curious Too Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Curious Too Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Second Amendment
> > > "A well regulated militia, being necessary to
> > the
> > > security of a free state, the right of the
> > people
> > > to keep and bear arms, shall not be
> infringed."
> > >
> > > This isn't an agrument about owning guns. But
> > an
> > > assault rifle, AK or any other, seems like
> > > overkill for fairfax.
> > >
> > > Personally I find baseball, hot dogs, apple
> pie
> > > and chevrolet to be more American
> >
> > You are also stupid wrote
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > ---
> > Ok, so what should the militia be allowed to
> arm
> > themselves with, pellet guns and sling shots??
> >
> > Where did I say the militia shouldn't have
> assault
> > rifles? For clarity I am talking about
> private
> > citizens having these types of guns...not the
> > military.I said I find it overkill to have an
> AK
> > or other assault rifle in fairfax.
>
>
> A militia is made up of private citizens and just
> because you live in fairfax doesnt mean you
> shouldnt be able to own an AK.


Stay away from children. Go to church and ask for forgiveness.

Tragic Wrote:
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> Restore the republic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Curious Too Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Curious Too Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Second Amendment
> > > > "A well regulated militia, being necessary
> to
> > > the
> > > > security of a free state, the right of the
> > > people
> > > > to keep and bear arms, shall not be
> > infringed."
> > > >
> > > > This isn't an agrument about owning guns.
> But
> > > an
> > > > assault rifle, AK or any other, seems like
> > > > overkill for fairfax.
> > > >
> > > > Personally I find baseball, hot dogs, apple
> > pie
> > > > and chevrolet to be more American
> > >
> > > You are also stupid wrote
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > ---
> > > Ok, so what should the militia be allowed to
> > arm
> > > themselves with, pellet guns and sling
> shots??
> > >
> > > Where did I say the militia shouldn't have
> > assault
> > > rifles? For clarity I am talking about
> > private
> > > citizens having these types of guns...not the
> > > military.I said I find it overkill to have an
> > AK
> > > or other assault rifle in fairfax.
> >
> >
> > A militia is made up of private citizens and
> just
> > because you live in fairfax doesnt mean you
> > shouldnt be able to own an AK.
>
>
> Stay away from children. Go to church and ask for
> forgiveness.


Ha! The gunman shouldve saved a bullet for your dumb ass!

Sick little boys with toys Wrote:
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> Anyone who owns or brags about owning an assault
> weapon in highly populated areas should be
> suspect. What has become of America? 25 years ago
> men bought revolvers,rifles and shotguns. Didn't
> talk about what they possessed and went about
> their lives. Now you have internet rambos who brag
> about their guns and sound like a bunch of stupid
> boys who definitely are compensating for
> masculinity. The bigger the better and spend time
> acting like it's your god given right to act macho
> cause you own a gun. To many movies and games.

Without his gun, restore the republic is nothing. His whole existence is about playing macho man and jerking off to porn. FFU is his link to the world.

So assault rifle owners are preparing for the next call-up of the militia? Pretty intense. Should everyone have an assault rifle at home then? When was the last time the unorganized militia was needed in the Commonwealth?

They had those high powered guns when the consitution was written?

And the first person who said it was just a day or two, it is not a day or two since VA Tech, right?

All for the constitution but how do you prevent these mass killings?

You are a dumb ass! Wrote:
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> Tragic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Restore the republic Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Curious Too Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Curious Too Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Second Amendment
> > > > > "A well regulated militia, being
> necessary
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > security of a free state, the right of
> the
> > > > people
> > > > > to keep and bear arms, shall not be
> > > infringed."
> > > > >
> > > > > This isn't an agrument about owning guns.
> > But
> > > > an
> > > > > assault rifle, AK or any other, seems
> like
> > > > > overkill for fairfax.
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally I find baseball, hot dogs,
> apple
> > > pie
> > > > > and chevrolet to be more American
> > > >
> > > > You are also stupid wrote
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Ok, so what should the militia be allowed
> to
> > > arm
> > > > themselves with, pellet guns and sling
> > shots??
> > > >
> > > > Where did I say the militia shouldn't have
> > > assault
> > > > rifles? For clarity I am talking about
> > > private
> > > > citizens having these types of guns...not
> the
> > > > military.I said I find it overkill to have
> an
> > > AK
> > > > or other assault rifle in fairfax.
> > >
> > >
> > > A militia is made up of private citizens and
> > just
> > > because you live in fairfax doesnt mean you
> > > shouldnt be able to own an AK.
> >
> >
> > Stay away from children. Go to church and ask
> for
> > forgiveness.
>
>
> Ha! The gunman shouldve saved a bullet for your
> dumb ass!

And do it yourself. What a coward.

Just the facts Wrote:
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>
> The med examiner says all shots came from the long
> weapon (rifle not handgun). Also said each kid had
> multiple shots which obviously indicates it was
> the rifle.
>

You're a complete, uninformed idiot. A semi-automatic handgun can fire rounds as fast as a semi-automatic rifle. About the only advantage to the rifle, from the killer's perspective, would have been having to swap magazines less often.

The killer had a small window of time before the police showed up. So of course the weapon with less magazine swapping was the gun of choice - the rifle. Stop trying to change the arguement. Dumb redneck.

thisisnuts Wrote:
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> They had those high powered guns when the
> consitution was written?

If they were concerned about weapon types they would have specified what was allowed. The fact that nothing was restricted does in fact imply theyd be perfectly fine with it.

> And the first person who said it was just a day or
> two, it is not a day or two since VA Tech, right?

And these things almost always happen in places no one can legally defend themselves.

> All for the constitution but how do you prevent
> these mass killings?

You dont. Theres evil in the world and evil is going to happen. No matter what you do things like this will happen. If someone is intent on harming other people the best you can hope for is that theres someone there capable of stopping him.

Murders have been happening since man started walking the earth and will continue to happen as long as humans are still alive. Its just a brutally sad fact of life.

The only thing evident about this thread is none of the posters have had any combat experience. Civilians should not have assault weapons.
There is only one purpose for this type of weapon. When innocent children are killed by this type of weapon I only hope disgust and shame would be the topic about pocessing such guns.

Inform Wrote:
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> The killer had a small window of time before the
> police showed up. So of course the weapon with
> less magazine swapping was the gun of choice - the
> rifle. Stop trying to change the arguement. Dumb
> redneck.

Stupid liberal,

Do you REALLY think the killer was concerned with how long it would take the police to get there? Considering his shooting patterns, he very well could have killed more with one semi-auto handgun in each hand.

Shame on US Wrote:
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> Civilians should not have assault weapons.

Please define assault weapon. Thanks.

more people should carry Wrote:
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> The answer to the problem is MORE guns! If more
> law abiding citizens were carrieing and everyone
> knew it, crazy fuckers like the coward that did
> this would think twice before they acted. For
> example, if someone walked into a movie thearter
> in parts of Texas with a rifle and a gas mask, he
> would have been dead before the door closed behind
> him!

I agree with you. However, if everyone carried a gun, or more people carried a gun, there would also be more occasions where someone loses their cool, gets into some argument or feels slighted over someone else's actions and since the gun is so handy and resolving a problem intelligently is beyond so many people, decides, "ah fuck it" and just starts firing away at the person who was causing them grief or whatever.

It sounds nice after reading the federalist papers and all the other pro-gun stuff on the internet, sure, why would there be any crime if all the criminals knew most people were carrying a gun! But why would the half-wits and people with poor interpersonal skills suddenly start talking through conflict instead of using their readily available gun?

The killer offed himself before the cops could get him so I'd say that he cared a little bit about getting caught. He was a first class coward he did not want to be confronted. That's why the puss killed himself.

More Complete Wrote:
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> Shame on US Wrote:
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> -----
> > Civilians should not have assault weapons.
>
> Please define assault weapon. Thanks.

Any weapon that can hold a large amount of bullets.

Personally, 10 round magazines should be the only ones manufactured for civilian use. For any gun.

you people are missing the real issue here, and its not gun control. all of these mass murderers have one thing in common. they have fucking mental problems. the real problem in this country is that there are no mental insitutions. they need to be reopened, and put these crazy fuckers in them. these killers have mental problems, and/or drugged up when they committed their killings. if this country wnats to do something to try and stop this kind of violence, reopen mental instutions. banning ANY type of guns will not solve these types of killings. that kid had mental issues that went untreated, even though his family knew he had problems. not to mention, he didnt takes his meds. these nuts need to be put in a place that they can be forced to take their meds wether they like it or not. these nuts should not take away the rights of the MILLIONS of law abiding citizens that own guns, and use them responsibl for protection, hunting, and shooting sports. obama is going to try and use these mass murders as firepower to try and ban guns and ammunition. guns have been banned in Chicago, New York, and DC, for years. How many murders were committed in those citys by firearms? Banning gun ownership does not work. criminals and people wanting to committ a murder using a firearm are going to do it, no matter what. most criminals dont buy guns from a gun shop, they buy them off the streets. and guess where those guns come from? most are stolen from homes during burglaries. if you want to stop this violence, start putting these nuts in mental institutions.

Ive also heard another idea that I thought was pretty good. we have hundreds of soldiers coming back from overseas, that have no jobs when they get out. how bout they get hired by the school systems as armed security, and they have one at every elementary, middle, and high school that have no police officer assigned to them. i think this is a great idea that this country should consider. its just a shame it has come to this in america. and for those of you who will say, thats all we need is a soldier with ptsd to guard our schools. to that i say that not all of our warriors suffer from ptsd. they could go through a process similar to what a police officer would to be hired. background checks, phsyc eval......just a thought.

This is a pointless "debate". As said above, "Assault Rifles" are just a scary word attached to a gun that has the functionality of a hunting rifle.

Normal 9mm have 15 round magazines standard, and anyway who cares how many bullets are in it

control freaks Wrote:
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> This is a pointless "debate". As said above,
> "Assault Rifles" are just a scary word attached to
> a gun that has the functionality of a hunting
> rifle.
>
> Normal 9mm have 15 round magazines standard, and
> anyway who cares how many bullets are in it

Do you know the difference between a cartridge and a bullet?

U idiots wrote:
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> the real problem in this country is that there are no mental insitutions. they need to be reopened,

Fact check: There ARE mental institutions in this country and they are indeed open.

This forum is considered a mental institution by most.

@HLO

yes.

Is that your big "gotcha"? pathetic. It just shows how moronic the gun control activists are

if the assholes gun owners would SIMPLY LOCK THEIR FUCKING GUNS AWAY PROPERLY.....................

if that dead bitch "moms" gave a damn about her neighbors kids as much as she did her little gun collection, we wouldn't have had the words Elementary and Slaughter in the same sentence

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/newtown-school-shooters-mother-collected-guns-was-loath-to-let-people-inside-home/2012/12/15/d89c2732-4706-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html

Gotdamn BITCH kept a fucking BUSHMASTER (I know y'all all remember walking in zig zag, right?) in the SAME FUCKING HOUSE AS HER MENTALIY UNSTABLE SON!!?!!?

Explain to me how that is "Responsible Stewardship", gunowners.

cause I know you dont want us to realize this, but it's because of YOU IRRESPONSIBLE ASSHOLE GUN OWNERS (again, not you good ones, but the asshole ones) that GIVE THE CRIMINALS THE GUNS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!

http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/publications/guns_theft_fs.pdf

Here's a fun fact for you! Didja know that we are one only of 10 states supplying the ENTIRE NATION with nearly HALF of all stolen guns recovered after a crime NOT in VA?

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/trace_the_guns_report.pdf

assholes that love their guns................but dont love them (or their friends and neighbors and community) enough to simply secure them? FUCK 'EM!!



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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> if the assholes gun owners would SIMPLY LOCK THEIR
> FUCKING GUNS AWAY PROPERLY.....................
>
> if that dead bitch "moms" gave a damn about her
> neighbors kids as much as she did her little gun
> collection, we wouldn't have had the words
> Elementary and Slaughter in the same sentence
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/newtown-school
> -shooters-mother-collected-guns-was-loath-to-let-p
> people-inside-home/2012/12/15/d89c2732-4706-11e2-80
> 61-253bccfc7532_story.html
>
> Goddamn BITCH kept a fucking BUSHMASTER (I
> know y'all all remember walking in zig zag,
> right?) in the SAME FUCKING HOUSE AS HER MENTALIY
> UNSTABLE SON!!?!!?
>
> Explain to me how that is "Responsible
> Stewardship", gun owners.
>
> cause I know you don't want us to realize this, but
> it's because of YOU IRRESPONSIBLE ASSHOLE GUN
> OWNERS (again, not you good ones, but the asshole
> ones) that GIVE THE CRIMINALS THE GUNS IN THE
> FIRST PLACE!!!!!
>
> http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institut
> es/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research
> h/publications/guns_theft_fs.pdf
>
> Here's a fun fact for you! Didja know that we are
> one only of 10 states supplying the ENTIRE NATION
> with nearly HALF of all stolen guns
> recovered after a crime NOT in VA?
>
> http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/
> pdf/trace_the_guns_report.pdf
>
> assholes that love their guns................but
> don't love them (or their friends and neighbors and
> community) enough to simply secure them? FUCK
> 'EM!!

We are the most violent nation on earth. Violence created US and will probably destroy US.

@we - I ask you this question, since you said "we"..........

...........what violence have YOU participated in? I assume you are a US Citizen - so since we are so violent, what violence have you created, demonstrated, and orchestrated recently?

just to let you in on a wee lil' secret, my friend.....................that whole "Americans are violent" thingee is BULLSHIT!

When have you ever seen tanks going down 123? Gunships firing on Reston? Rebel fighting on Lewinsville Rd?

Wake up, yo...............

OHHHH NOOOOOO!!!!!

Don't take away my ability to buy bigger and bigger guns to make up for my little penis!

The Constitution says we have a right to bear arms, it doesn't say we have a right to bear high powered rifles designed to dispense a large number of rounds in a very short time period as "home protection".

Fucking idiots talking about using an AK for home protection. I want to own a weapon that could very likely go through a couple of walls and kill my kid in his bed because I heard something go bump in the night and I'm shitting my pants because I realize all these fucking guns I collected haven't given me any real balls.

Just admit it, you fucktards want all these fucking psuedo-military guns because you want to feel like a billy bad-ass.

Ohhhhhhh you want it for the militia aspect. MMMM HMMMM.

You think your 100 rounds of ammo and 2 AK's is going to do shit? The government has unmanned airplanes that can float by and blow your whole fucking block up without a single "person" getting anywhere near you. Your non-aiming Bruce Willis wanna-be ass isn't going to do a damn thing with your AK and 3 clips.

I bet half of you dolts strip butt naked, put on some Master of Puppets and stare at yourself in the mirror holding your weapons and beat off to your own awesomeness.

http://pastebin.com/ARASaC1h

We need do what we're doing to free Iraq. Bust down every bodies front door and take their guns! That is only way we well have democracy.

"For home defence I want the most reliable firearm there is and that's an AK. Period."

This is BS, a double action revolver is more reliable than your AK. Plus a 7.62x39 round is more likely to over penetrate and end up in an unintended target when discharged in the confines of a house.

So right now I could go to Dick's and buy a Ruger 10/22 rifle for about $200. This is one of the most widely purchased .22 rifles and there are tons of them sold every year. It comes with a 10 round magazine but I can easily purchase a 50 round mag for it for under $30. Is this now an assault rifle? It will hold more rounds than an AR but it doesn't look like an AR. The .22 is just as deadly as the .223, there isn't that big of a difference in the two calibers. One could make an argument that the .22 is more deadly becasue it is very easy to shoot that caliber accurately and the ammo is available just about anywhere.

As far as everyone being armed making for a more polite society, what if criminals just decide to shoot first and then steal your stuff? If they know everyone is armed why would they not just act first to make sure they are not injured/killed?

let's review, shall we? places with lax gun laws

http://247wallst.com/2012/06/15/the-most-and-least-peaceful-countries-in-the-world/4/

places with tougher gun restrictions

http://247wallst.com/2012/06/15/the-most-and-least-peaceful-countries-in-the-world/2/

just will never figure out why someone would WANT to live in a place where everyone had guns.........

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Johnnies Wrote:
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> Forgot, I also have an AR57 FN 5.7 upper. I also
> have two kids in Fairfax County elementary school
> and I still don't feel we need to ban guns. Take
> away Call of Duty from teenagers and lock up the
> crazies, but guns are perfectly fine.


In what way is call of duty more dangerous to society than actual guns?

> All assualt rifles should be banned. Period.
> I take offense to AK 47s. I was shot by one 42
> years ago. Any American that would own one is
> disgrace to this country.
> For home defense? That's stupid.

Do you know what the difference is between a hunting rifle and an assault rifle is under the Assault weapons ban?

It frequently comes down to a forward grip and a collapsible stock.

If you want to get rid of guns then just say so but I for one would much rather ban pistols and keep assault weapons than the other way around.

A gun ban worked out real well in mexico. Right?

> You are a fucking idiot!! Read the 2nd amendment
> dumb ass! There is nothing more american than the
> right to own any gun to defend yourself and your
> family! That right was preserved by our founding
> fathers specificly to ensure that americans have
> the means to defend themselvs from THE
> GOVERNMENT!! By takeing that right away, you are
> takeing a very big step towards communism. I have
> 2 AKs and I love my country and still believe
> strongly in the constitution and the principals it
> was founded on even if people like you dont! So
> fuck you for calling me a disgrace and for
> spitting on the 2nd amendment!

Where the FUCK are you getting the notion that the second amendment was meant to ensure our ability to defend ourselves from our own government?!?!?

Its original purpose was to maintain a militia citizenry at a time when we didn't have armies and we were surrounded by hostile foreign powers. It wasn't supposed to preserve our ability to engage in bloody revolution.

And I say this as a gun owner. I want to keep my guns and I think too many anti-gun folks are just afraid of what they don't understand (sorta like Republicans are with minorities, especially Mexicans).

Johnnie Wrote:
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> got sig? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @Jonnie,
> > How's that 556? would you consider a 516?
> >
> > Also, how are the LMT's? are they pistons? do
> you
> > think that they're top of the line ars? what
> about
> > LWRCs?
>
> I have a very early American made Sig 556. It's
> never given me problems, but a Swiss 55X is worth
> 3 times more, so you can figure it out. I don't
> have a 516 or LWRC (I'm sure they are both very
> good), but the king of ARs is either a $950 Colt
> LE6920 or a $4,500 (street price) HK MR556
> (civilian HK416). I have and love both. LMTs are
> well made and have quick change barrels. You can
> go from DI to piston and change calibres in a few
> minutes. The HK and LMT quality are TOP notch,
> but a Colt is just as good functionally. If you
> want even more reliability and a rifle that goes
> bang every time no matter what (have you scene
> Somali pirate Aks that still work???), just buy
> $500 AK and be done with it.

Have you seen the new Sig Sauer AR?

Their gas piston system seems to be superior to anything else out there.

Supreme court rulings and the founding fathers disagree with you. Typical response from a far left socialist.

Food for thought, an assault weapon did not help!

"The rifle he used, a .223-caliber Bushmaster M4 carbine, was legal under Connecticut's "assault weapon" ban, which is similar to the federal law that expired in 2004."

So I know some of you say it was pistols not the rifle used, but the truth is under the CT ban the rifle was still legal - can't legislate away this problem - bring back insane asylums - that is the answer - lock these crazies up and put the good of the many of the good of the few!

http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/17/how-do-we-know-an-assault-weapon-ban-wou

Inform Wrote:
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> The killer had a small window of time before the
> police showed up. So of course the weapon with
> less magazine swapping was the gun of choice - the
> rifle. Stop trying to change the arguement. Dumb
> redneck.

That's stupid.

So still no link to a cite that says an assault rifle was involved in the shooting?

Swapping out magazines takes about 3 seconds on a handgun probably less, its somewhat longer on an assault rifle, in any case, it doesn't take very longer in either case.

just a normal gun Wrote:
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> thisisnuts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They had those high powered guns when the
> > consitution was written?
>
> If they were concerned about weapon types they
> would have specified what was allowed. The fact
> that nothing was restricted does in fact imply
> theyd be perfectly fine with it.

I'm pretty sure I am not allowed to own a tank or a jet fighter or even a 50 caliber machine gun and noone has ever questioned the cosntitutionality of THOSE restrictions.

Shame on US Wrote:
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> The only thing evident about this thread is none
> of the posters have had any combat experience.
> Civilians should not have assault weapons.
> There is only one purpose for this type of weapon.
> When innocent children are killed by this type of
> weapon I only hope disgust and shame would be the
> topic about pocessing such guns.


"assault weapons"

are basically hunting rifles.

It is so easy to get around the assault weapons ban that it creates a disrespect for the law. Its literally a matter of swapping out the stock and installing an aftermarket forward grip.