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Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: July 07, 2008 07:06PM

When I read this in the paper this morning I was convinced Fairfax Underground would be all over it. What is the matter guys, you don't read the newspapers anymore?

By the Associated Press
July 7, 2008
ALEXANDRIA, Va. - The region's most prestigious public magnet school will have more Asian American students in this fall's freshman class than white students.

It's the first time Asian American freshmen will outnumber their white classmates at the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Fairfax County.

More than 2,500 applicants applied for 485 seats in the freshman class. Asian American students got 219, or 45 percent of the total, while white students got 205, or 42 percent.

Meanwhile, the incoming freshman class will have 10 Hispanic and nine black students. Those low numbers come as the Fairfax County School Board prepares to review T.J.'s admissions policy this month.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 07, 2008 07:11PM

Meanwhile, the incoming freshman class will have 10 Hispanic and nine black students.

allow me to channel Vince...

that's so racist! test scores are lies, they make questions against black and hispanics because they dont want them at TJHS!

btw, congratulations to everyone who was accepted. to everyone who wasnt accepted, if you kill some of the people that were accepted, there will be available slots for more students!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2008 07:13PM by Gravis.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Jimmy ()
Date: July 07, 2008 08:58PM

Congratulations to the students who were accepted! And kudos to your parent(s) who provided the essential support to develop your talents. It is really too bad that other subcultures fail to do so.
BTW Asian students have long out-numbered Caucasian students at TJ--this is easily done by marking ones race as Caucasian (white) on the application. Asian-Indian students may be the majority. It will be most interesting to see how less qualified students will be accepted with the new criteria for entrance. Of course, Gravis jests about test scores--the testing procedure is very fair to all races.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: July 07, 2008 09:23PM

"Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!"

I wonder if they will learn how to spell "Asian" correctly.


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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Eddy ()
Date: July 07, 2008 09:32PM

Theres alot of asian kids at George Mason

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: meh meh ()
Date: July 07, 2008 11:27PM

Soooooo.. isn't that the case at other top universities that are tech oriented? MIT? can't control this.. what irks me is not that they are asian at ALL (no biggie) but that some come into this country- learn from us and use it against us.. got back to japan china and we become further behind technically

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: July 07, 2008 11:31PM

Yeah, we wouldn't want a bunch of smart, hard working, people here in the US. They just make the rest of us look dumb and lazy.

Good point.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: toyko rose ()
Date: July 08, 2008 07:53AM

and you thought USA won Vietnam,American boy?~ROR~

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: allivant ()
Date: July 08, 2008 08:22AM

who cares

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/08/2008 04:28PM by allivant.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: July 08, 2008 11:08AM

The smart White kids are majoring in finance and pre-law.

(Usually) easier coursework, more babes, and more bucks after you graduate.

When I hear some corporate type whining, 'we need more (engineers/computer programmers/hard scientists),' I can't help but laugh. If Corporate America really needed engineers, engineers would be making more than lawyers and finance types.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: who's asian? ()
Date: July 08, 2008 11:14AM

Indian, Pakistani etc in Asian?

Seems the muslim should be under culture like asian and indian.

Cultural
Asian Awareness Club
Black Student Union
Chinese Connection
DC 2 Beijing
Hispanic Alliance
Namaste
World Culture Club


Religious
Catholic Student Association
Fellowship of Christian Athletes (FCA)
Jewish Culture Club
Muslim Student Association

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Jester ()
Date: July 08, 2008 11:19AM

>> Asians will outnumber Whites at TJHS!

We need to spread Asians around the rest of the county to improve math scores at other schools. LOL

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: nakedshoplifter ()
Date: July 08, 2008 11:27AM

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 08, 2008 12:15PM

The fact blacks and hispanics arent properly represented does indicate the educational system is failing them and something needs to be done. Your attitude accepting the systems failure is what is racist.

P.S. _ I dont need anyone's help expressing my views or motivations...if you are interested in either...just ask...politely.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/08/2008 12:16PM by Vince(1).

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: matty ()
Date: July 08, 2008 12:47PM

well, at least African or Hispanic-Americans greatly out-number
White or Asian-Americans in the prison population in this country.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: July 08, 2008 01:24PM

So its racist that more blacks are in prison, and its racist that fewer blacks are in TJ. Can we then say its racist that the majority of basketball players are black? Or the majority of football players? Or how about hockey? Maybe 5 black hockey players in the NHL. Must be racism.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Heroin ()
Date: July 08, 2008 11:46PM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> So its racist that more blacks are in prison, and
> its racist that fewer blacks are in TJ. Can we
> then say its racist that the majority of
> basketball players are black? Or the majority of
> football players? Or how about hockey? Maybe 5
> black hockey players in the NHL. Must be racism.


Can we say that that white people throughout history were all slavers and genocidal devils?

What's your point? Let it go, Jimbo

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: July 09, 2008 12:11AM

formerhick76 Wrote:
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> The smart White kids are majoring in finance and
> pre-law.
>
> (Usually) easier coursework, more babes, and more
> bucks after you graduate.
>
> When I hear some corporate type whining, 'we need
> more (engineers/computer programmers/hard
> scientists),' I can't help but laugh. If Corporate
> America really needed engineers, engineers would
> be making more than lawyers and finance types.

Not as long as the companies can get the engineers from India and China, there is no need to pay US engineers more money. But they can't hire US lawyers and US financial experts in Asia, so they must pay them more. If we couldn't hire enough teachers in the US, we would have to pay them more too. But they are in abundance, with many, many, applicants for every open teaching job in FCPS, except higher level math, computer science, and hard sciences.

Fortunately, Asians in the US are going to medical school in record numbers, along with women. Don't see many white men in medical schools, not enough money in medicine anymore, too many huge medical school bills. It's a good thing for us that Asians and women are still willing to do it.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Neen ()
Date: July 09, 2008 12:15AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The fact blacks and hispanics arent properly
> represented does indicate the educational system
> is failing them and something needs to be done.
> Your attitude accepting the systems failure is
> what is racist.
>
> P.S. _ I dont need anyone's help expressing my
> views or motivations...if you are interested in
> either...just ask...politely.

How does the system fail them when a kid coming here from Korea, at age 10, isn't failed by the same system? Or a poor Vietnamese kid who comes here at 8, not speaking English, and having had no education? They do ok, as do the VERY poor kids who come from Africa and have never been in ANY school when they are thrown into our middle schools, not even speaking English. How is it that they do well in school and Black kids born in this country cannot? What are the other kids getting that Black kids aren't getting?

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 09, 2008 05:37AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The fact blacks and hispanics arent properly
> represented does indicate the educational system
> is failing them and something needs to be done.
> Your attitude accepting the systems failure is
> what is racist.

Neen Wrote:
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> How does the system fail them when a kid coming
> here from Korea, at age 10, isn't failed by the
> same system? Or a poor Vietnamese kid who comes
> here at 8, not speaking English, and having had no
> education? They do ok, as do the VERY poor kids
> who come from Africa and have never been in ANY
> school when they are thrown into our middle
> schools, not even speaking English. How is it
> that they do well in school and Black kids born in
> this country cannot? What are the other kids
> getting that Black kids aren't getting?



using logic on vince doesnt work.
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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: SeVeN ()
Date: July 09, 2008 05:56AM

Ok. If we all just play our roles we wouldn't this discussin! Blacks are better at sports becuz we've been RUNNING for our lives since the white people brought us over here. Spanish people are good at playing soccer and landscaping. Asian's are good at computer's and making some damn good chinese food basically anything that says "Made in China". White people are good at trying to control every damn thing and starting un-nescessary wars over nothing and then saying the Wars is OVER! becuz Sadam Hussain is dead?!?!?! What?? I don't get it.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: July 09, 2008 10:09AM

Neen Wrote:
> Not as long as the companies can get the engineers
> from India and China, there is no need to pay US
> engineers more money.

So you're admitting Corporate America doesn't really need engineers that badly, and that when the chairman of (high-tech company here) blames the our 'not being competitive' for our economic ailments, they're not being 100% honest?

> But they can't hire US lawyers and US financial experts in Asia, so they
> must pay them more.

Hence, the smart native-born Americans are majoring in finance/pre-law.

> If we couldn't hire enough teachers in the US, we would have to pay them more
> too. But they are in abundance, with many, many, applicants for every open
> teaching job in FCPS, except higher level math, computer science, and
> hard sciences.

Yep, pay is better in FCPS than surrounding areas. Even better in MoCo but then you'd be teaching Marylanders and be subjected to their stench.

> Fortunately, Asians in the US are going to medical school in record numbers,
> along with women. Don't see many white men in medical schools, not enough
> money in medicine anymore, too many huge medical school bills. It's a good
> thing for us that Asians and women are still willing to do it.

Do women and Asians somehow have lower medical school bills? I'm not sure of your reasoning here.

My point is that Corporate America will pay large salaries for what they really want. In the 1990s, it was computer stuff. In the 2000s, it is finance/real estate/law.

Raise the salaries, and college kids will major in the field. Until Corporate America raises science/engineering salaries, complaints about science education are just so much hot air.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 09, 2008 09:18PM

Neen Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The fact blacks and hispanics arent properly
> > represented does indicate the educational
> system
> > is failing them and something needs to be done.
>
> > Your attitude accepting the systems failure is
> > what is racist.
> >
> > P.S. _ I dont need anyone's help expressing my
> > views or motivations...if you are interested in
> > either...just ask...politely.
>
> How does the system fail them when a kid coming
> here from Korea, at age 10, isn't failed by the
> same system? Or a poor Vietnamese kid who comes
> here at 8, not speaking English, and having had no
> education? They do ok, as do the VERY poor kids
> who come from Africa and have never been in ANY
> school when they are thrown into our middle
> schools, not even speaking English. How is it
> that they do well in school and Black kids born in
> this country cannot? What are the other kids
> getting that Black kids aren't getting?


Okay Mr Genious..complete your train of thought. Tell us why blacks and hispanics dont do as well at school! Come on...say it out loud Mr. KKK! I dare you!



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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 09, 2008 09:22PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The fact blacks and hispanics arent properly
> > represented does indicate the educational
> system
> > is failing them and something needs to be done.
>
> > Your attitude accepting the systems failure is
> > what is racist.
>
> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How does the system fail them when a kid coming
> > here from Korea, at age 10, isn't failed by the
> > same system? Or a poor Vietnamese kid who
> comes
> > here at 8, not speaking English, and having had
> no
> > education? They do ok, as do the VERY poor
> kids
> > who come from Africa and have never been in ANY
> > school when they are thrown into our middle
> > schools, not even speaking English. How is it
> > that they do well in school and Black kids born
> in
> > this country cannot? What are the other kids
> > getting that Black kids aren't getting?
>
>
> using logic on vince doesnt work.
>


Hey Dexter...you wouldnt recognize logic if it was shoved up your butt. Mr big shot witl all the violent pictures implying what youd like to do to anyone who disagrees with you. You know...you're the only reason I even post on here...just to annoy little baby Gravis. Tell me this....Is it true you still live at home with mommy and daddy? You are a joke.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: ROB_BOULDERRRRS ()
Date: February 01, 2012 12:58AM

that's horrifying

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: FUNdemental ()
Date: February 01, 2012 04:09AM


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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Old News ()
Date: February 01, 2012 04:37AM

I dunno why ROB_BOULDERRRRS felt the need to bump this old thread. TJ went majority Asian last year.

It's also majority male, (surprise, surprise) 55.61% to 44.39%.

Interestingly, there were only 48 kids that received free or reduced price lunches at TJ in that year. I guess smart kids are less likely to come from poor families.
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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Olde Farte ()
Date: February 01, 2012 10:25AM

As is not unusual, the brainless (of which there are many) are keying in on an invalid statistic - the absolutely False Science of "race".

Instead, they should key in on a much more valid statistic, like...you know..."intelligence".

100% of the TJ students are intelligent.

No THAT'S a majority!

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: bigger problem ()
Date: February 01, 2012 10:54AM

TJ has become a FREE BOARDING school for foreigners.

Koreans send their kids here--they live with non-family members, attend Longfellow MS and then go to TJ.

They take slots from our taxpayers of course.

What a country we have become!!!!!

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: We Got Game ()
Date: February 01, 2012 02:36PM

I have to say that I'm impressed. All four of TJ's black students play hoops:


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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: I've seen it too ()
Date: February 01, 2012 04:59PM

Bigger Problem is correct. TJ has become a boarding school for the Asians. It's incredible we are turning over this gem of a school - meant for AMERICAN STUDENTS - to foreigners. And it's all of our FCPS schools - not just TJ. Here's how it works. Korean mom moves here - sometimes with or without dad - on a graduate student VISA. She takes classes and declares residency and her kids learn english and get a free top notch American education. Sometimes they come when their kids are really young just to become fluent in english. Sadly, its just enough time to take a few GT/AAP slots away from American kids - then they move back home to Korea and it's an opportunity lost to the Americans. This system sucks. Another thing Koreans do is they'll find a "host" chaperone who is the "uncle" or "aunt" who will sponsor the kid. They the "aunt" or "uncle" rents a house -- usually in McLean or Vienna - and they house three or four Korean teens - usually boys - but the "chaperone" themself lives elsewhere. I've seen this happen in several neighborhoods. These kids have no one watching over them. It really is a boarding house with a Korean-American landlord.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Ralph Pootawn ()
Date: February 01, 2012 05:02PM

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 04, 2012 06:34PM

meh meh Wrote:
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> Soooooo.. isn't that the case at other top
> universities that are tech oriented? MIT? can't
> control this.. what irks me is not that they are
> asian at ALL (no biggie) but that some come into
> this country- learn from us and use it against
> us.. got back to japan china and we become further
> behind technically


You know what the answer to that is right?

Staple a fucking greencard to that diploma. We effectively tell these kids coming out of graduate programs at MIT and Stanford to get the fuck out of our country and don't even think of taking an American job.

On the one hand we need more American jobs, on the other hand, having these guys around just might help create jobs.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 04, 2012 06:52PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The fact blacks and hispanics arent properly
> represented does indicate the educational system
> is failing them and something needs to be done.
> Your attitude accepting the systems failure is
> what is racist.
>
> P.S. _ I dont need anyone's help expressing my
> views or motivations...if you are interested in
> either...just ask...politely.


That is an opinion that is not supported by facts.

There might be something to the notion that POOR kids (of any race) face disadvantages that we should try to address but considering that there are a lot of poor white and Asian kids that somehow manage to do well in the exact same school environment tells me one of two things. Either there is actually an ability gap or the problem occurs outside of school either in the communities or at home. Either way, you can't really fix it by fixing your schools you have to fix your communities or your families.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: 4 more years, II ()
Date: February 04, 2012 06:55PM

> ...Staple a fucking greencard to that diploma. We effectively tell
> these kids coming out of graduate programs at MIT and Stanford to
> get the fuck out of our country and don't even think of taking an American job.

Obama said essentially just that during his State of the Union Address. It's not clear to me which degree should be appropriate for that - I'm personally sure a graduate degree should be accompanied with permanent residency, but should a bachelors? Of course, The Gummamint can pick and choose what majors are appropriate and what constitutes a "valid degree', but simply giving away that green card with the degree would certainly result in some highly qualifed individuals either staying or returning to this country - big win for them, big win for "us".

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 04, 2012 07:01PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Neen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The fact blacks and hispanics arent properly
> > > represented does indicate the educational
> > system
> > > is failing them and something needs to be
> done.
> >
> > > Your attitude accepting the systems failure
> is
> > > what is racist.
> > >
> > > P.S. _ I dont need anyone's help expressing
> my
> > > views or motivations...if you are interested
> in
> > > either...just ask...politely.
> >
> > How does the system fail them when a kid coming
> > here from Korea, at age 10, isn't failed by the
> > same system? Or a poor Vietnamese kid who
> comes
> > here at 8, not speaking English, and having had
> no
> > education? They do ok, as do the VERY poor
> kids
> > who come from Africa and have never been in ANY
> > school when they are thrown into our middle
> > schools, not even speaking English. How is it
> > that they do well in school and Black kids born
> in
> > this country cannot? What are the other kids
> > getting that Black kids aren't getting?
>
>
> Okay Mr Genious..complete your train of thought.
> Tell us why blacks and hispanics dont do as well
> at school! Come on...say it out loud Mr. KKK! I
> dare you!

You can't play the race card on a board full of racists (I don't know if you've noticed the shit they say about Asians). You're going to have to support your argument with facts and the fact is that people have been trying to link this phenomenon with racism for decades and ultimately have nothing to point to except poor test scores among blacks and hispanics as evidence that the tests themselves are racist (and yet somehow these immigrants manage to do well on them). Its weak sauce.

It might hurt to hear that there are fewer black and hispanic students who have the ability and the home environment to excel but all things being equal those seem to be the only two variables that distinguish poor Asian kids from poor black and hispanic kids.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 04, 2012 07:38PM

I've seen it too Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bigger Problem is correct. TJ has become a
> boarding school for the Asians. It's incredible
> we are turning over this gem of a school - meant
> for AMERICAN STUDENTS - to foreigners. And it's
> all of our FCPS schools - not just TJ. Here's how
> it works. Korean mom moves here - sometimes with
> or without dad - on a graduate student VISA. She
> takes classes and declares residency and her kids
> learn english and get a free top notch American
> education. Sometimes they come when their kids
> are really young just to become fluent in english.
> Sadly, its just enough time to take a few GT/AAP
> slots away from American kids - then they move
> back home to Korea and it's an opportunity lost to
> the Americans. This system sucks. Another thing
> Koreans do is they'll find a "host" chaperone who
> is the "uncle" or "aunt" who will sponsor the kid.
> They the "aunt" or "uncle" rents a house --
> usually in McLean or Vienna - and they house three
> or four Korean teens - usually boys - but the
> "chaperone" themself lives elsewhere. I've seen
> this happen in several neighborhoods. These kids
> have no one watching over them. It really is a
> boarding house with a Korean-American landlord.

I have seen this sort of thing as well.

Not trying to excuse this sort of behaviour but most of these kids and families would like to become Americans and if they cannot stay, then at least they will be able to get into a good college. They could work their ass off in Korea and end up not getting into any college at all, the competition to get into college is a lot tougher there.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 04, 2012 07:41PM

4 more years, II Wrote:
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> > ...Staple a fucking greencard to that diploma.
> We effectively tell
> > these kids coming out of graduate programs at
> MIT and Stanford to
> > get the fuck out of our country and don't even
> think of taking an American job.
>
> Obama said essentially just that during his State
> of the Union Address. It's not clear to me which
> degree should be appropriate for that - I'm
> personally sure a graduate degree should be
> accompanied with permanent residency, but should a
> bachelors? Of course, The Gummamint can pick and
> choose what majors are appropriate and what
> constitutes a "valid degree', but simply giving
> away that green card with the degree would
> certainly result in some highly qualifed
> individuals either staying or returning to this
> country - big win for them, big win for "us".

I think we make it a lot easier for employers to get greencards for foreign students that they hire. This will take the choice out of the government's hands and put it in the hands of the people who are looking to hire talent.

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Posted by: 4 more years, II ()
Date: February 04, 2012 08:18PM

Damuri Ajashi Wrote:
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> I think we make it a lot easier for employers to
> get greencards for foreign students that they
> hire. This will take the choice out of the
> government's hands and put it in the hands of the
> people who are looking to hire talent.

As with the bogus H1 visa crap, I'd be afraid of something rotten if businesses themselves could modify government policy - better to let the government decide what is or is not an "important" field and dole out the green cards appropriately.

I could just see lots of green cards being given to folks willing to accept low salaries for N years if it was in the hand of business.

[you still see LOTS of "employement ads" that are specified down practically to the number of days of experience the needed person has in 479 different fields. You KNOW those ads are really meant to satisfy government regulations but the positions are already wired to a particular H1 visa holder with no intention of hiring from the US - and the position almost always will be well under the "going rate" for a US hire]

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 04, 2012 08:33PM

4 more years, II Wrote:
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> Damuri Ajashi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think we make it a lot easier for employers
> to
> > get greencards for foreign students that they
> > hire. This will take the choice out of the
> > government's hands and put it in the hands of
> the
> > people who are looking to hire talent.
>
> As with the bogus H1 visa crap, I'd be afraid of
> something rotten if businesses themselves could
> modify government policy - better to let the
> government decide what is or is not an "important"
> field and dole out the green cards appropriately.
>
> I could just see lots of green cards being given
> to folks willing to accept low salaries for N
> years if it was in the hand of business.
>
>

Well, thats a good point and it probably would create a cottage industry in small businesses selling greencards.

I suppose the bureau of Labor Statistics have a pretty good idea where the shortages are. I mean, why import foreign nurses when we can import nursing students. Why import doctors when we can import medical students.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: lolly holly ()
Date: February 04, 2012 08:34PM


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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 04, 2012 09:24PM

lolly holly Wrote:
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> http://www.longcountdown.com/blog/wp-content/uploa
> ds/2008/05/iq.gif


That is patently absurd.

That chart is basically saying that the average Ethiopian is a mildly retarded moron with an IQ of 63. This is simply not credible.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: At least we are ahead of Canada! ()
Date: February 04, 2012 09:56PM

nuff said.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: nate ()
Date: February 04, 2012 10:26PM

There's no way 9 niggers could've gotten into TJ unless the admissions process uses affirmative action. The Asians, I understand, and the smart white kids, yes, but 9 niggers?..........No Way!

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Dude at HHS ()
Date: February 04, 2012 10:34PM

I think Herndon High School had a Caucasian Club that met after school.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 04, 2012 11:19PM

bigger problem Wrote:
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> TJ has become a FREE BOARDING school for
> foreigners.
>
> Koreans send their kids here--they live with
> non-family members, attend Longfellow MS and then
> go to TJ.
>
> They take slots from our taxpayers of course.
>
> What a country we have become!!!!!


BTW, the Asians in the area don't particularly like this fact either but not because of some silly tax issue (these folks pay real estate tax as much as anyone else, whether directly or indirectly through rent and even if they don't, thats not really the issue now is it).

Asians don't compete against everyone when it comes to college admisions, they compete with other Asians and these guys come from the academic equivalent of Krypton. They sail through our public school system. If they come here during JHS, then most of high school is review for them.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: hxuuxuujj ()
Date: February 05, 2012 07:11AM

As a TJ alum from the '90s, I'm disappointed with their Intel STS results this year.

Whatever this admission process, it is no good.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: jasonl ()
Date: February 05, 2012 08:03AM

There is NO real admissions criteria, there is for the first step where they identify finalists from the test, then for the next step it is subjective which is where they scrounge for ANY black or hispanic applicants who can tie their shoes. Any applicant who is black will get in. In our school, GT Center, there is one black girl, who is very very nice and but nothing beyond average in intelligence, and she got in.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: think ()
Date: February 05, 2012 10:02AM

We need to send some of our African American and Hispanic kids to Korea or Taiwan for elementary school and middle school and then bring them back here for TJ. They will then definitely get into TJ and the lack of minority students at TJ issue will be solved. It would also create a more equal exchange of students between our countries. This would be a truer form of "globalization" instead of what we have now.

We probably need another "magnet" high school that is devoted to the arts if we want to even up the field for minorities (if we don't use the above suggestion). Why should students who have strength in math and science get this special kind of school and the rest of the taxpayers don't get special high schools to build upon their talents? And worse yet, we import students to fill the school.

I also thought the comment from hxuuxuujj was interesting---not as many Intel competition places as there were in the past from TJ. That may be precisely because of the lack of creativeness in the students. Tests don't measure some things that are VERY important. We are not building upon our own strengths here in the US. Instead of seeing who we are, we keep looking at who we are not and trying to be something else. We should not be forcing ourselves to be who we are not. It just makes everyone unhappy, unfulfilled, and probably leads to more suicides.

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Using ISTS Data to Evaluate TJ
Posted by: APorIBMom ()
Date: February 05, 2012 11:14AM

The process used to select Intel finalists (40 total) is opaque, and creativity may not necessarily be a key variable.

In contrast, the process used to select Intel Science Talent Search semifinalists provides more insight into whether a high school promotes high-quality science research by its students. For example, some high schools in New York create special programs for budding scientists starting in 9th or 10th grade.

By that measure, TJ is doing about as well under the current principal as it did under Geoff Jones. The numbers dropped when Elizabeth Lodal was the TJ principal.

http://www.societyforscience.org/sts/history

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: WestfieldDad ()
Date: February 05, 2012 02:49PM

think Wrote:
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>
> I also thought the comment from hxuuxuujj was
> interesting---not as many Intel competition places
> as there were in the past from TJ. That may be
> precisely because of the lack of creativeness in
> the students. Tests don't measure some things
> that are VERY important.

Since the 90s, TJ has changed their admissions to significantly reduce the importance of the (fairly trivial) test in the acceptance process. So, if the competition statistics are correct (which APIBMom disputes) the test would be a better predictor of Intel results than the current gulash they use to select students.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: barry_white ()
Date: February 05, 2012 02:58PM

So? Asian girls are sexy as hell!

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: APorIBMom ()
Date: February 05, 2012 03:57PM

Westfield Dad,

I agree with your description of the current process. But, the best way to evaluate the results of that process is to look at the outcomes of tests or competitions that involve a large percentage if not all the students.

That's why the number of ISTS semifinalists is better than the number of ISTS finalists. Even so, looking at the ISTS focuses on a small group of highly-motivated students who do extensive science research projects before their senior year. It tells the public nothing about all the other students.

To get a better sense of the results of the process, it might be more useful to look at the number and percentage of seniors who neither qualify as National Merit semi-finalists nor as commended scholars.

WestfieldDad Wrote:
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>
> Since the 90s, TJ has changed their admissions to
> significantly reduce the importance of the (fairly
> trivial) test in the acceptance process. So, if
> the competition statistics are correct (which
> APIBMom disputes) the test would be a better
> predictor of Intel results than the current gulash
> they use to select students.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 06, 2012 01:07AM

think Wrote:
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> We need to send some of our African American and
> Hispanic kids to Korea or Taiwan for elementary
> school and middle school and then bring them back
> here for TJ. They will then definitely get into
> TJ and the lack of minority students at TJ issue
> will be solved. It would also create a more equal
> exchange of students between our countries. This
> would be a truer form of "globalization" instead
> of what we have now.
>
> We probably need another "magnet" high school that
> is devoted to the arts if we want to even up the
> field for minorities (if we don't use the above
> suggestion). Why should students who have
> strength in math and science get this special kind
> of school and the rest of the taxpayers don't get
> special high schools to build upon their talents?
> And worse yet, we import students to fill the
> school.
>
> I also thought the comment from hxuuxuujj was
> interesting---not as many Intel competition places
> as there were in the past from TJ. That may be
> precisely because of the lack of creativeness in
> the students. Tests don't measure some things
> that are VERY important. We are not building upon
> our own strengths here in the US. Instead of
> seeing who we are, we keep looking at who we are
> not and trying to be something else. We should
> not be forcing ourselves to be who we are not. It
> just makes everyone unhappy, unfulfilled, and
> probably leads to more suicides.

I see this sort of stereotyping and it worries me. It smacks of people rationalizing away their own insecurities by telling themselves that Asians kids lack creativity or imagination. They like to imagine that its OK to raise Bart Simpson rather than Lisa Simpson because Bart will somehow stumble onto success because he's creative or something. The fact is that our country can't really afford this sort of thinking anymore. Sure we need our actors and comedians and all that other stuff but you don't HAVE to be bad at math and science to be a good actor.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: herman ()
Date: February 06, 2012 07:26AM

Well heres the reality in practical human experience, the qualities of "bean-counterish" do not correspond with creativity. In fact there are very few humans who are good at math and good at humanities, having to do with which side of the brain is dominant. I'm sure there are some, a small number of people who are good at both, (globally gifted) highly unlikely that they will be creative or funny tho. I am sick of school stressing the bean countering types with no emphasis on the creative, we are producing uninspired, uninspiring humans-not the society I would want to live in. Don't we have enough "engineers going to Va Tech"? YUK

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: do you have kids? Are they over age 14? ()
Date: February 06, 2012 07:34AM

But . . . do you have to be good at math and science to be a good actor? Do you have to spend time on it and thus be taking time away from honing your strengths? That is another question. A valid question.

Do you have to be miserable in life? Who is having more fun---Bart of Lisa? Is life all about money ("we can't afford this type of thinking")? Who are you---the thought police? This is America. That's what the Simpsons is about---the greatness of thinking differently. The celebration of differences. We are not all the same.

Maybe math and science are for some people, but not all. Can you force people to think your way or should we let people be who they are? Which way will produce the most productivity as a society?

People are not being "insecure" when they discuss this stuff. When you birth a kid, you have to see who the kid is---if it's a Lisa, you go with TJ. If it's a Bart, you need to do something else! And if you believe you have total control as a parent or a teacher or a school over this, you are kidding yourself.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Olde Farte ()
Date: February 06, 2012 10:48AM

do you have kids? Are they over age 14? Wrote:
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> But . . . do you have to be good at math and
> science to be a good actor?

http://www.legacy.com/ns/news-story.aspx?t=heddy-lamarr--actress-and-inventor&id=64

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolph_Lundgren#Education

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: maurice ()
Date: February 06, 2012 12:51PM

well in terms of whether you have a Lisa or a Bart and the decision about TJ- you can well have a Lisa (who is very very gifted in art, music, english and history) and she will not do well at TJ where it is heavily weighted on math and science. It would be nice if there was a real arts and sciences HS.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: February 06, 2012 12:51PM

tomahawk Wrote:
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> "Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!"
>
> I wonder if they will learn how to spell "Asian"
> correctly.

I agree, if fundatard is going to post his racist messages he should at least get the bigoted spelling correct. Interesting to see his anger extends at least that far back in time.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: aaaahhhh no ()
Date: February 06, 2012 12:57PM

Income by race


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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: nonsenses ()
Date: February 06, 2012 01:16PM

so what is that dumbass graph supposed to prove? No one is disputing that Asians work their asses off and lead bland, dissatisfied lives for nothing-money...so what?

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: liberal artsy fartsy ()
Date: February 06, 2012 01:34PM


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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: real housewives of the OC ()
Date: February 06, 2012 01:35PM

nonsenses Wrote:
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> so what is that dumbass graph supposed to prove?
> No one is disputing that Asians work their asses
> off and lead bland, dissatisfied lives for
> nothing-money...so what?

How is a graph dumb? Are you available to mow my lawn or fry my chicken?

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 06, 2012 01:54PM

nonsenses Wrote:
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> so what is that dumbass graph supposed to prove?
> No one is disputing that Asians work their asses
> off and lead bland, dissatisfied lives for
> nothing-money...so what?

In what way do you think Asians lead bland dissatisfied lives?

The real criticism of that graph is that it does not correct for education and geography. Asians tend to live in large metropolitan areas where the cost of living and pay scale is higher. Asians tend to have more education and double incomes. This graph does not compare apples to apples.

If your kid is great at something, then by all means encourage it. If they havea passion let them pursue it but don't be that mom with the kid who can't sing trying out for American Idol.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: graph boy ()
Date: February 06, 2012 02:19PM

Damuri Ajashi Wrote:
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>
> In what way do you think Asians lead bland
> dissatisfied lives?
>
> The real criticism of that graph is that it does
> not correct for education and geography. Asians
> tend to live in large metropolitan areas where the
> cost of living and pay scale is higher. Asians
> tend to have more education and double incomes.
> This graph does not compare apples to apples.
>
> If your kid is great at something, then by all
> means encourage it. If they havea passion let
> them pursue it but don't be that mom with the kid
> who can't sing trying out for American Idol.

Here is the data for individual non-household income broken down by both race and gender.


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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: what we see ()
Date: February 06, 2012 05:29PM

It was mentioned earlier that Asians are a high income immigrant group to begin with. The lower educated and less wealthy Asians are not the ones who come here. You are comparing a group like that to everyone else who was born here or has been here for generations (and is a much, much larger pool percentage wise). The "n" numbers are way, way different for these groups. A chart like this does not mean that every Asian would do as well as those on the graph if they were to come here. The "give me your tired, your poor" is not applying to this immigrant group.

It's also interesting that the data for Asians only begins in 2002 and the data for Hispanics begins in 1974. Again, this is not a fair comparison since many of the Asians came on HB1B visas to fill high tech jobs after 2002 (post 9/11). If the doors were wide open to Asians as they have been to Hispanics (pretty much as a result of proximity and lax border enforcement), you would see a much lower income level for the Asians. If you travel in Asia, you will see that they do have people pumping gas and cleaning bathrooms there.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: HMMMMMMMMMM ()
Date: February 06, 2012 05:42PM

what we see Wrote:
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> It was mentioned earlier that Asians are a high
> income immigrant group to begin with. The lower
> educated and less wealthy Asians are not the ones
> who come here. You are comparing a group like
> that to everyone else who was born here or has
> been here for generations (and is a much, much
> larger pool percentage wise). The "n" numbers are
> way, way different for these groups. A chart like
> this does not mean that every Asian would do as
> well as those on the graph if they were to come
> here. The "give me your tired, your poor" is not
> applying to this immigrant group.
>
> It's also interesting that the data for Asians
> only begins in 2002 and the data for Hispanics
> begins in 1974. Again, this is not a fair
> comparison since many of the Asians came on HB1B
> visas to fill high tech jobs after 2002 (post
> 9/11). If the doors were wide open to Asians as
> they have been to Hispanics (pretty much as a
> result of proximity and lax border enforcement),
> you would see a much lower income level for the
> Asians. If you travel in Asia, you will see that
> they do have people pumping gas and cleaning
> bathrooms there.

I dunno but going to high school (I'm white btw) and seeing many asian immigrants (korean, viet, chinese) who came from impoverished backgrounds and excelled the hell out of school, many graduating near the top of my class. The wealthy asians immigrants you see typically come from wealthy nations like Japan or Taiwan. I don't think I've seen a pure-blood Japanese person in my 15 years in Virginia.

I really don't understand how many Hispanics can urge their children to get to work immediately. Upward mobility is practically nonexistent for unskilled labor. Sorry but that's the truth.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Excuse me ()
Date: February 06, 2012 05:50PM

You don't see many Vietnamese immigrants anymore. Most are Koreans around here. There aren't many Chinese around here either. The Koreans are not poor. Check out the cars they are driving. I have seen "pure blood" Japanese here. They have money. I have seen Taiwanese here---they have money too. Ditto for the Indians and Pakistanis. They are not from poor backgrounds.

The Hispanics do come from impoverished backgrounds. Many crawled across the border. For them, this is nirvana already even with an unskilled labor job. That's why their kids go to work immediately---they need the money. They are in pretty dire straits. Not so for the Asians.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Damuri Ajashi ()
Date: February 06, 2012 05:56PM

what we see Wrote:
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> It was mentioned earlier that Asians are a high
> income immigrant group to begin with. The lower
> educated and less wealthy Asians are not the ones
> who come here. You are comparing a group like
> that to everyone else who was born here or has
> been here for generations (and is a much, much
> larger pool percentage wise). The "n" numbers are
> way, way different for these groups. A chart like
> this does not mean that every Asian would do as
> well as those on the graph if they were to come
> here. The "give me your tired, your poor" is not
> applying to this immigrant group.
>
> It's also interesting that the data for Asians
> only begins in 2002 and the data for Hispanics
> begins in 1974. Again, this is not a fair
> comparison since many of the Asians came on HB1B
> visas to fill high tech jobs after 2002 (post
> 9/11). If the doors were wide open to Asians as
> they have been to Hispanics (pretty much as a
> result of proximity and lax border enforcement),
> you would see a much lower income level for the
> Asians. If you travel in Asia, you will see that
> they do have people pumping gas and cleaning
> bathrooms there.

A lot of different immiggrant populations fit about the same profile. Its just easier to pick out the Asians from a crowd.

I'd bet that Asians don't do significantly better (if at all) than these other immigrant populations over time. Immigrants are just hungry for opportunity and don't take it for granted that the American dream is going to fall into their lap.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: aaawwwww ()
Date: February 06, 2012 05:58PM

Excuse me Wrote:
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> You don't see many Vietnamese immigrants anymore.
> Most are Koreans around here. There aren't many
> Chinese around here either. The Koreans are not
> poor. Check out the cars they are driving. I have
> seen "pure blood" Japanese here. They have money.
> I have seen Taiwanese here---they have money too.
> Ditto for the Indians and Pakistanis. They are
> not from poor backgrounds.
>
> The Hispanics do come from impoverished
> backgrounds. Many crawled across the border. For
> them, this is nirvana already even with an
> unskilled labor job. That's why their kids go to
> work immediately---they need the money. They are
> in pretty dire straits. Not so for the Asians.

What are you talking about? There are many Chinese people in Nova. A shitload in Montgomery County like Rockville too. People in China still live on $1 a day and people from Vietnam don't have money for sandals. They come here with nothing and their language is even more unrelated to English compared to Spanish.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: So sorry but IQ doesn't life ()
Date: February 06, 2012 06:08PM

That's just not the case. Some ethnic groups are smarter, some better with money, some are physically more gifted. IQs of Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians are inherently higher than others. Just a fact.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: The real truth ()
Date: February 06, 2012 06:19PM

There are transnational/transethnic studies that show that blacks and hispanics showed no tangible improvements in their lower IQ scores even when adopted by white parents. Whites still had higher IQ scores when adopted by a black family than blacks or hispanics adopted by whites. Asians IQ scores were high regardless if they were adopted or not.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: proof needed ()
Date: February 06, 2012 06:25PM

Please post those studies here . . . who did the studies, where, how many people involved, etc.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: more info ()
Date: February 06, 2012 06:26PM

Also please define IQ. What test was used?

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: ridiculous ()
Date: February 07, 2012 03:49PM

Please read this:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2011/04/iq-scores-dont-predict-success-as-much-as-motivation/1

Anybody who has given very many tests in life knows this article is true. Psychological factors are paramount. It's the same thing in sports, etc.

The above poster who wrote about race and adoption leaves out a whole lot of information. You would have to know at what age these children were adopted and why they were adopted. If there is psychological damage from abandonment, abuse, etc., the study the poster alludes to means absolutely nothing. I have tested these kinds of people and they often have such low self-esteem and/or are so angry with their lot in life that they are not motivated at all. They resent even having to take the test. Overcoming this psychological trauma is unbelievably difficult. The scores often have no validity whatsoever in terms of what they are purporting to measure.

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: asian luvr ()
Date: February 07, 2012 10:57PM

Wait, let's talk about what it really important....does this mean that we will have some hot Asian pussy all in one place now? How can that be a bad thing? Good looking Asian chicks by far out-class any whiny, nasal-voiced, valley girl wannabe, self-centered, ego-driven white chick that spends more time competing with her friends as to who is the biggest whore-looking, center of attention skank. yep, give me a sweet little Asian chick anytime.
Yes, you can mark me as "undecided"...

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Re: Asains will outnumber Whites at TJHS!
Posted by: Can they at least fucking learn to drive ()
Date: February 27, 2012 10:26PM

With your new TJ enrollment, can you please teach your fucking parents to drive? You fuckers can master calculus but not a Toyota Land Cruiser.

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