http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20121114/NEWS03/311149959/1006/NEWS

http://politicalfiber.com/news/11/12/online-petition-seeking-to-allow-texas-to-secede-from-the-united-states-gathers-signatures/

Been reading a lot lately on these petitions. Would be interested to see how the people of Fairfax County think about these issues.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

I'm willing to bet that more than half of the residents of Fairfax don't know what secession is.

Population of Texas, approx 24 million.

Number of signatures on petition, approx 94,000. And this is the most signatures from any state.

Sounds like sour grapes, not secession.

When Republicans learn to stop saying stupid ass things in public and stop hating on their constituents, maybe they will win some votes.

I'm pretty sure secession is illegal under the Constitution. Though not explicitly state...I do believe the argument that once you rejoined the Union (USA), you could NOT for any reason actually leave the Union.

Of course Wikipedia has a whole section on it secession v. natural right of revolution.

Locke's philosophy corresponds to violations of natural rights and I fail to see where the Obama administration has failed to protect people's natural rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

I'm not happy with his policies or his actions but nothing he has done has violated my natural rights; therefore, I personally have no right to argue for a revolution against the current administration as they continue to work in best practice via the social contract that both, they and I adhere to with one another.

That's just my two cents though.

by the govt telling people what they can and can not buy they are breaking the constitution.

Trying to restrict or ignore the 2nd Amendment is unconstitutional.
Obama is as guilty as sin on that one.

Wouldn't be the first time.

And what has he actually DONE to restrict it? And to clarify, I mean as President.

it would be great if we lost all those retard states! Northern VA should secede from VA, and then we could ditch the whole South. Win-win

I hear this crap after every election. So and so is going to take our guns! Ammo becomes expensive, certain calibers sell out and related prices go up. A few months later, people realize that no one is going door to door collecting up guns and ammo and prices return to normal.

Heard all of that crap in 2k9. Still have my guns and ammo. Can't believe idiots are starting this up again. The only ones getting robbed are the consumers that have to pay the BS price increase that paranoid people get started.

I guess there is a reason that Northern Va (mostly fairfax county) practically carried the entire state. It's hard to think when you live in the boonies stuffing pork rinds and drinking beer all day!

I personally got a good laugh watching Va stay red all night over the entire state until NoVa got their votes counted and turned Va blue.

Set a dividing line of the Rappahannock River - everything North becomes Northern Virginia, everything South becomes LeechOffOfNorthernVirginiaToFundOurRoadsAndSchools Virginia.

Wuh Wrote:
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> And what has he actually DONE to restrict it? And
> to clarify, I mean as President.

If you have to pose that question you must be living under a rock.
Try looking at the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action website if
you are just starting out on this argument. I'm not going to do you
homework for you.

I will however lead you to the water. I know you're probably the sort whose fingers just can't seem to find things on Google so here it is.

http://www.nraila.org/

The Republican party need to evolve into a more progressive group that respects women, gays, imigrants, and blacks. First though the idiots need to believe in evolution.

Yeah because immigrants and blacks do such a great job contributing and respecting our country and laws. The same liberals that champion and exploit them for votes, would never want them to move into their neighborhood or marry their daughter.

Wuh Wrote:
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> And what has he actually DONE to restrict it? And
> to clarify, I mean as President.

It is pointless to argue with them on this. What has actually happened during the Obama administration is entirely beside the point. It is what they fear might happen if Obama had untrammelled power.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Wuh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And what has he actually DONE to restrict it?
> And
> > to clarify, I mean as President.
>
> It is pointless to argue with them on this. What
> has actually happened during the Obama
> administration is entirely beside the point. It
> is what they fear might happen if Obama had
> untrammelled power.

You're right about that. All they do is remain ignorant and deny reality.
Bet this one has never heard of Heller or McDonald.

If Virginia was to secede this state would be nothing but a bunch of moonshine drinking rednecks living in log shacks.

We need feredal highway funds and federal dollars to keep the economy of Virginia going. Norfolk is almost entirely dependant upon military and naval bases. Quantico marine base is another good reason to NOT secede.

TGR Wrote:
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> I will however lead you to the water. I know
> you're probably the sort whose fingers just can't
> seem to find things on Google so here it is.
>
> http://www.nraila.org/


If you read a REAL article about what Obama has done, not some Bullshit NRA article, then you would see he has only HELPED the gun-nuts by allowing to carry in national parks................and that is it.

End of story - anything else is propaganda.

Succesionists = TRAITORS

send them to North Korea where they can start their own damn country

eCHHj Wrote:
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> TGR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I will however lead you to the water. I know
> > you're probably the sort whose fingers just
> can't
> > seem to find things on Google so here it is.
> >
> > http://www.nraila.org/
>
>
> If you read a REAL article about what Obama has
> done, not some Bullshit NRA article, then you
> would see he has only HELPED the gun-nuts by
> allowing to carry in national
> parks................and that is it.
>
> End of story - anything else is propaganda.

Pure bullshit. Now I suppose you're going to tell me the REAL articles
are on the Violence Policy Center and Soros funded media outlets?
BTW, I noticed someone has registered my TGR screen name. You must be
paranoid.

TGR. Wrote:
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> eCHHj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TGR Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I will however lead you to the water. I know
> > > you're probably the sort whose fingers just
> > can't
> > > seem to find things on Google so here it is.
> > >
> > > http://www.nraila.org/
> >
> >
> > If you read a REAL article about what Obama has
> > done, not some Bullshit NRA article, then you
> > would see he has only HELPED the gun-nuts by
> > allowing to carry in national
> > parks................and that is it.
> >
> > End of story - anything else is propaganda.
>
> Pure bullshit. Now I suppose you're going to tell
> me the REAL articles
> are on the Violence Policy Center and Soros funded
> media outlets?
> BTW, I noticed someone has registered my TGR
> screen name. You must be
> paranoid.


Dear sir, if it is total bullshit, please point to a single piece of legislation which proves otherwise.

Go ahead.

Go fucking ahead moron.

shut up loser wah wah wah Wrote:
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> Dear sir, if it is total bullshit, please point to
> a single piece of legislation which proves
> otherwise.
>
> Go ahead.
>
> Go fucking ahead moron.


Spoken like a true intellectual powerhouse. I cant possibly see a reason why someone would doubt someone as articulate and well spoken as you

lemming Wrote:
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> shut up loser wah wah wah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Dear sir, if it is total bullshit, please point
> to
> > a single piece of legislation which proves
> > otherwise.
> >
> > Go ahead.
> >
> > Go fucking ahead moron.
>
>
> Spoken like a true intellectual powerhouse. I
> cant possibly see a reason why someone would doubt
> someone as articulate and well spoken as you

Still waiting for a single god fucking damn example of a policy that he has proposed or pushed through legislation or even sniffed passing.

Go ahead we are still waiting you genius you. You intellectual powerhouse. You are so superior to all of us.

Now fucking give a god damn example you cunt faced chode chomper

Im a retarded redneck who doesnt know that policies and platforms are available on the internet. Derrrr. I can't do a simple web search on laws passed by congress from 2009-2012

Derrrrr Im a dumb white hick whose useless and makes no money for this country.

shut up loser wah wah wah Wrote:
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> TGR. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eCHHj Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > TGR Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I will however lead you to the water. I
> know
> > > > you're probably the sort whose fingers just
> > > can't
> > > > seem to find things on Google so here it is.
>
> > > >
> > > > http://www.nraila.org/
> > >
> > >
> > > If you read a REAL article about what Obama
> has
> > > done, not some Bullshit NRA article, then you
> > > would see he has only HELPED the gun-nuts by
> > > allowing to carry in national
> > > parks................and that is it.
> > >
> > > End of story - anything else is propaganda.
> >
> > Pure bullshit. Now I suppose you're going to
> tell
> > me the REAL articles
> > are on the Violence Policy Center and Soros
> funded
> > media outlets?
> > BTW, I noticed someone has registered my TGR
> > screen name. You must be
> > paranoid.
>
>
> Dear sir, if it is total bullshit, please point to
> a single piece of legislation which proves
> otherwise.
>
> Go ahead.
>
> Go fucking ahead moron.

Here's a starter. United Nations Arms Trade Treaty

Look it up.

ummm Wrote:
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> I'm pretty sure secession is illegal under the
> Constitution. Though not explicitly state...I do
> believe the argument that once you rejoined the
> Union (USA), you could NOT for any reason actually
> leave the Union.
>
> Of course Wikipedia has a whole section on it
> secession v. natural right of revolution.
>
> Locke's philosophy corresponds to violations of
> natural rights and I fail to see where the Obama
> administration has failed to protect people's
> natural rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of
> happiness.
>
> I'm not happy with his policies or his actions but
> nothing he has done has violated my natural
> rights; therefore, I personally have no right to
> argue for a revolution against the current
> administration as they continue to work in best
> practice via the social contract that both, they
> and I adhere to with one another.
>
> That's just my two cents though.

Secession is illegal, with the exception of Texas; Texas was an independent country from 1836 until 1845, when it was annexed by the US, due to the fear of Texas signing treaties with Great Britain or France.

We fought the Civil War to determine it's illegal. The Declaration of Independence states that overthrow of a government is only acceptable when that government has violated "natural rights". However, Obama (as much as I think he's an empty suit... and I'm a Democrat) hasn't infringed on anybody's natural rights. Being "forced" to buy healthcare really isn't infringing on the Constitution or anything else. It's more of a consumer protection thing than anything else.

It's a consumer protection thing for one very simple reason: if you're an idiot, and decide to drive your car at 95 MPH down Fairfax County Parkway, hit a utility pole and have to be taken to Inova Fairfax... and you don't have health insurance, the taxpayer foots the bill. Period.

fuq Wrote:
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> by the govt telling people what they can and can
> not buy they are breaking the constitution.


No, not in the least. There's something called the commerce clause that states "Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce", and something known as the "elastic" or "necessary and proper clause". This states "Congress has the power to make any law necessary and proper for the running of the nation".

Healthcare is interstate commerce; it's not a violation of the Constitution.

gt3 Wrote:
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> The Republican party need to evolve into a more
> progressive group that respects women, gays,
> immigrants, and blacks. First though the idiots
> need to believe in evolution.

I oppose gay marriage (terminology), think that the immigration process should be reformed, believe that affirmative action should end, and believe that the "War on Women" is nonsense. I also think the argument about pay equality is nonsense, because men tend to be better qualified and work longer hours.

Oh, and I'm a Democrat. The Republican Party has valid viewpoints on many social issues. I consider some of them correct, and I disagree with others.

Evolution should be taught in schools. I'm religious and believe we have to have a separation of science and religion. The two are mutually exclusive... though it is possible to support the existence of God through science.

Using the most successful petition on file:

Population of Texas, approx 24 million. Number of signatures on petition, approx 94,000. And this is the most signatures from any state. That's roughly 0.003%. Sounds like a few disgruntled extremists to me...

@justanFYI - Five will get you ten that over half those signatures were misspelled LoLz

It's interesting that the states where this is most vocal are states that TAKE the most Government money.... hmmm. I say cut them off and reduce the federal deficit as they wish. Problem solved.

I love it. Does Texas not remember how shitty they had it on their own? They had to finally cave on everything they were against and beg to be in the union.

Chode Chomper (aka TGR). Wrote:
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> shut up loser wah wah wah Wrote:

> > Dear sir, if it is total bullshit, please point
> to
> > a single piece of legislation which proves
> > otherwise.
> >
> > Go ahead.
> >
> > Go fucking ahead moron.
>
> Here's a starter. United Nations Arms Trade
> Treaty
>
> Look it up.

More like a non-starter.

Let's try working on your basic English skills. Again, what has Pres Obama DONE to threaten the 2nd amendment?

1. Your example, has NOTHING to do with the 2nd amendment. That covers PROPOSED (as in, write this down, NOT PASSED legislation) international law.
2. How is this Legislation that Obama was responsible for?
3. Even if it did pass, it still has nothing to do with the 2nd. It covers INTERNATIONAL Arms TRADE.
4. Even the UN didn't pass it.
5. You still prove yourself to be a chode chomper, by not even being able to provide ONE example of your redneck paranoia, that Obama gunna take mah guns!
6. WHO IS THAT BEHIND YOU!!!!

I no longer have a desire to reach reconciliation with people that would sign such petitions, especially given that they reside in states that receive far more back from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes.

These states are the biggest beneficiaries of the very government largesse that they profess to loathe so much. It would be funny if it weren’t so ridiculous and embarrassing for the nation. By all means, Mississippi, secede and learn to survive without the benefit of liberal states providing subsidies to you every year.

I'm with Stupid ----> Wrote:
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> I no longer have a desire to reach reconciliation
> with people that would sign such petitions,
> especially given that they reside in states that
> receive far more back from the federal government
> than they pay in federal taxes.
>
> These states are the biggest beneficiaries of the
> very government largesse that they profess to
> loathe so much. It would be funny if it weren’t
> so ridiculous and embarrassing for the nation. By
> all means, Mississippi, secede and learn to
> survive without the benefit of liberal states
> providing subsidies to you every year.

It goes to show you the education level of the people who signed the petitions. I'm guessing most didn't graduate high school. Just a bunch of redneck backwards fucks who have no clue what they are talking about.

If the republican party wasn't pissing all over itself it wouldn't be the republican party.

TGR Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wuh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And what has he actually DONE to restrict it?
>
> > And
> > > to clarify, I mean as President.
> >
> > It is pointless to argue with them on this.
> What
> > has actually happened during the Obama
> > administration is entirely beside the point.
> It
> > is what they fear might happen if Obama had
> > untrammelled power.
>
> You're right about that. All they do is remain
> ignorant and deny reality.
> Bet this one has never heard of Heller or
> McDonald.

Hey numbnuts, he was talking about you!

I'm with Stupid ----> Wrote:
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> I no longer have a desire to reach reconciliation
> with people that would sign such petitions,
> especially given that they reside in states that
> receive far more back from the federal government
> than they pay in federal taxes.
>
> These states are the biggest beneficiaries of the
> very government largesse that they profess to
> loathe so much. It would be funny if it weren’t
> so ridiculous and embarrassing for the nation. By
> all means, Mississippi, secede and learn to
> survive without the benefit of liberal states
> providing subsidies to you every year.

Hey, you know, that's a good point. I have never thought about the states in the same way as members of the EU. Larger members of the EU subsidizing the less affluent members (Greece). Never looked at the states, like that before. You are right!

The electoral map did kinda look like those that were providing the support and those taking the support, in some way.

Texas, Louisiana, Alabama. All the backass States that cost FEMA a fortune every year because they rebuild in the path of Hurricanes.

Fuck yeah let them secede. It will save the Federal government billions. I sick of funding those states. Let them rot in poverty.

Maybe the Federal government can then charge New Orleans for rentals of the flood system the federal government just installed.

Obviously, nobody's going to secede...yet. The mainstream will have a good laugh at "those secessionist crazies" and that talk will die out for awhile, as it always does. However, the US seems to become not only more polarized but actively circus-like as the technology of mass communication throws a monkey-wrench into old ideas of what "normal" is and life becomes more complex, and I'm not so sure the US in its current form will persist forever. Our older institutions are simply not equipped.

I'd have a lot more sympathy for the wave of secessionist petitions if I really thought what was behind them was a desire for freedom. Unfortunately I think a lot of them are motivated by paranoia over "Obummer the Un-American Socialist Hippie Fascist Anarchist Nazi Muslim Atheist Reptoid Gay Jew Witch-Doctor Monkey" who wants to take your guns and make your daughters have sex and get abortions while smoking marijuana in sex-ed class and praying to Allah to bring Sharia Law and million-dollar welfare checks to the US. It's like they're basically saying "Eeeew, Obama's got cooties! Let's get out of here!" I also am willing to bet that many of the people who signed those petitions will, come Thanksgiving, pay lip service to being "thankful" for the nation from which they just tried to secede. I bet a few of them even have children who are in military service to that very same nation, and are quite proud of that fact.

Any real secessionist movements out there wouldn't be signing petitions. They'd be too busy with the work it would actually take to secede.

Well said. LOL!

motivated by paranoia over "Obummer the Un-American Socialist Hippie Fascist Anarchist Nazi Muslim Atheist Reptoid Gay Jew Witch-Doctor Monkey" who wants to take your guns and make your daughters have sex and get abortions while smoking marijuana in sex-ed class and praying to Allah to bring Sharia Law and million-dollar welfare checks to the US. It's like they're basically saying "Eeeew, Obama's got cooties! Let's get out of here!"

Try again.... Wrote:
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> Chode Chomper (aka TGR). Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > shut up loser wah wah wah Wrote:
>
> > > Dear sir, if it is total bullshit, please
> point
> > to
> > > a single piece of legislation which proves
> > > otherwise.
> > >
> > > Go ahead.
> > >
> > > Go fucking ahead moron.
> >
> > Here's a starter. United Nations Arms Trade
> > Treaty
> >
> > Look it up.
>
> More like a non-starter.
>
> Let's try working on your basic English skills.
> Again, what has Pres Obama DONE to threaten the
> 2nd amendment?
>
> 1. Your example, has NOTHING to do with the 2nd
> amendment. That covers PROPOSED (as in, write
> this down, NOT PASSED legislation) international
> law.
> 2. How is this Legislation that Obama was
> responsible for?
> 3. Even if it did pass, it still has nothing to do
> with the 2nd. It covers INTERNATIONAL Arms
> TRADE.
> 4. Even the UN didn't pass it.
> 5. You still prove yourself to be a chode chomper,
> by not even being able to provide ONE example of
> your redneck paranoia, that Obama gunna take mah
> guns!
> 6. WHO IS THAT BEHIND YOU!!!!

You obviously didn't bother to read up on ATT so I'm not going to waste anymore keystrokes on someone who is going to suck Obama's ass no matter what.

TGR. Wrote:
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> Try again.... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Chode Chomper (aka TGR). Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > shut up loser wah wah wah Wrote:
> >
> > > > Dear sir, if it is total bullshit, please
> > point
> > > to
> > > > a single piece of legislation which proves
> > > > otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > Go ahead.
> > > >
> > > > Go fucking ahead moron.
> > >
> > > Here's a starter. United Nations Arms Trade
> > > Treaty
> > >
> > > Look it up.
> >
> > More like a non-starter.
> >
> > Let's try working on your basic English skills.
> > Again, what has Pres Obama DONE to threaten the
> > 2nd amendment?
> >
> > 1. Your example, has NOTHING to do with the 2nd
> > amendment. That covers PROPOSED (as in, write
> > this down, NOT PASSED legislation)
> international
> > law.
> > 2. How is this Legislation that Obama was
> > responsible for?
> > 3. Even if it did pass, it still has nothing to
> do
> > with the 2nd. It covers INTERNATIONAL Arms
> > TRADE.
> > 4. Even the UN didn't pass it.
> > 5. You still prove yourself to be a chode
> chomper,
> > by not even being able to provide ONE example
> of
> > your redneck paranoia, that Obama gunna take
> mah
> > guns!
> > 6. WHO IS THAT BEHIND YOU!!!!
>
> You obviously didn't bother to read up on ATT so
> I'm not going to waste anymore keystrokes on
> someone who is going to suck Obama's ass no matter
> what.

Ohhhh.... Better ease up on that intellectual processing power, you are going to burst a vessel.

You sir, are a whiner...er winner. :D

If Virginia seceeds the first thing we should do is declare
war on Maryland.

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If Texas secedes can we get back all the FEMA money the fed spent on fighting the fires. Christ Texans don't build fire blocks and then they want the fed to help bail them out!

It would be funny to see Texans screaming "please, please, please come help. Our state is on fire and we don't have enough firemen to put it out."

Even better Texas trying to stop illegals from jumping the border without the help of fed money. I'm sure the first thing Mexicans would do is invade Texas.

Econ 101 Wrote:
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> > Even better Texas trying to stop illegals from
> jumping the border without the help of fed money.
> I'm sure the first thing Mexicans would do is
> invade Texas.

Last I checked, they have already invaded and taken over the SouthWest US, it's just the US in name and management only.

Is this a resurrection of the Anti-Federalists? Hmmmm....

"Government only exists by the consent of those governed" Neither party is worth having but it seems the American people, at least the ones that remain, are too stupid to see it. I grew up in Nova but when I go back now I feel like I'm in another country. Crime is out of control as much as immigration and there seems to be no end. Ya'll just keep it up there with the rest of the loonies.

Northern Virginia wants to secede from the rest
of Virginia because they think their shit doesn't
stink. Western Maryland wants to secede and become
part of West Virginia because the arrogant assholes
in Annapolis think they're better than everybody
else. Hell, why don't we just establish independent
Counties and be done with it.

Oh and about Texas defending the border, after the Korean war our contruction industry was booming and immigration went crazy just as today. Back then they put National Guard units on the border with live rounds and it was quickly stopped. Very simple. Nova and other urban centers have more welfare recepients then any other part of the state. Not surprisingly they also harbor the most gang-banger punk wanna-bes. I'm glad to be outa the mess, I don't have to lock my door at night or worry about my kids playin' in our own front yard. "Out here" we take care of ourselves, we don't dial 911 and we damn sure don't want prople "up there" telling us what to do or how to do it.

Nova and other urban centers have more
> welfare recepients then any other part of the
> state. Not surprisingly they also harbor the most
> gang-banger punk wanna-bes. I'm glad to be outa
> the mess, I don't have to lock my door at night or
> worry about my kids playin' in our own front yard.
> "Out here" we take care of ourselves, we don't
> dial 911 and we damn sure don't want prople "up
> there" telling us what to do or how to do it.

Actually Richmond is the murder capital of VA and has the biggest gang population. Richmond is a major hub for drugs coming up the East Coast from FL. It's the drug distribution center for Norfolk and Western Va.

Mac Daddy Wrote:
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> Nova and other urban centers have more
> > welfare recepients then any other part of the
> > state. Not surprisingly they also harbor the
> most
> > gang-banger punk wanna-bes. I'm glad to be outa
> > the mess, I don't have to lock my door at night
> or
> > worry about my kids playin' in our own front
> yard.
> > "Out here" we take care of ourselves, we don't
> > dial 911 and we damn sure don't want prople "up
> > there" telling us what to do or how to do it.
>
> Actually Richmond is the murder capital of VA and
> has the biggest gang population. Richmond is a
> major hub for drugs coming up the East Coast from
> FL. It's the drug distribution center for
> Norfolk and Western Va.

In that case we need to set up road blocks and toll booths at the NC border.

Econ 101 Wrote:
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> I'm sure the first thing Mexicans would do is
> invade Texas.

They tried and failed.

I just signed up. I can be a Queen in the New Virginia.


RICHMOND, Va. (WTVR)–An onslaught of petitions filed on the U.S. White House official website could be an indication that tens of thousands of people aren’t happy with the results of this year’s presidential election.
It’s a movement by the residents of at least 37 states, now including Virginia, where people have petitioned the government to secede from the United States of America.

More states keep adding petitions to the website as momentum gathers and there are duplicate state entries. Texas has the most votes so far, with almost 90,000 late Tuesday night.

When a petition reaches 25,000 the White House addresses the petition. A scenario in which the president signs off on allowing states to secede from the Union seems highly unlikely.
But, thousands of people have signed the online petitions on White House website. You can see it for yourself by clicking here.
The petitioners cite the Declaration of Independence, writing in part, “…it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another.”
Going on to say, “…a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
And concluding, “whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government…”
Residents of Virginia created and signed the petition on November 11, 2012. No official leaders have signed off on it, and all of the online petitions are open for out-of-state residents to vote in favor of the initiative.
The petition itself. has until Dec. 11 to collect 25,000 signatures for it to get the attention and action of the president.
As of Tuesday night, over 4,000 people had signed the petition for Virginia to secede.

Other states where residents are asking to be allowed to secede include Alabama, Mississippi, California, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky, North Carolina, Illinois, Arizona, Delaware, Idaho, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, North Dakota, Indiana, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Minnesota, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Colorado,Kansas, Illinois, Colorado, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Montana, and Oregon.

http://wtvr.com/2012/11/13/virginia-among-states-petitioning-government-to-secede-from-nation/

TRAITORS each and every one of them who sign...............

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> TRAITORS each and every one of them who
> sign...............

In Federalist Paper 32 Hamilton said the individual States
do not have the right to secede. However, in Federalist Paper 39
Madison said they do. Some historians argue that the matter was
settled by the War of Northern Aggression (or Civil War as the
Yankee Flatlanders call it) but that's simply not true as it's never
been decided by the Supreme Court. Perhaps you could enlighten us?

FP's Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> -----
> > TRAITORS each and every one of them who
> > sign...............
>
> In Federalist Paper 32 Hamilton said the
> individual States
> do not have the right to secede. However, in
> Federalist Paper 39
> Madison said they do. Some historians argue that
> the matter was
> settled by the War of Northern Aggression (or
> Civil War as the
> Yankee Flatlanders call it) but that's simply not
> true as it's never
> been decided by the Supreme Court. Perhaps you
> could enlighten us?


trai·tor
A person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc

@definition - it's like you have to hold their hand to walk them across the street, y'know?

@FP - sure, I'll enlighten you. The same ppl who are talking succession have LIVED THEIR ENTINRE FUCKING LIVES UNDER THE PROTECTIONS OF THE SAME GOVERMENT THEY WISH TO LEAVE?!?! FUCK THEIR TRAITOR ASSES!!

pic unrelated
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FP's Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> > TRAITORS each and every one of them who
> > sign...............
>
> In Federalist Paper 32 Hamilton said the
> individual States
> do not have the right to secede. However, in
> Federalist Paper 39
> Madison said they do. Some historians argue that
> the matter was
> settled by the War of Northern Aggression (or
> Civil War as the
> Yankee Flatlanders call it) but that's simply not
> true as it's never
> been decided by the Supreme Court. Perhaps you
> could enlighten us?

"War of Northern Aggression"? Hardly, the CSA seceded from the US, and fired on Fort Sumter.

States cannot secede from the Union, with the exception of Texas. And Texas only can because it was annexed in 1845 from the Republic of Texas.



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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @definition - it's like you have to hold their
> hand to walk them across the street, y'know?
>
> @FP - sure, I'll enlighten you. The same ppl who
> are talking succession have LIVED THEIR ENTINRE
> FUCKING LIVES UNDER THE PROTECTIONS OF THE SAME
> GOVERMENT THEY WISH TO LEAVE?!?! FUCK THEIR
> TRAITOR ASSES!!
>
> pic unrelated

Haha

Then they will take offense to the fact that the government builds stuff! How dare they build stuff that I use and dont want to pay for...

Wait... who are the moochers again?

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @definition - it's like you have to hold their
> hand to walk them across the street, y'know?
>
> @FP - sure, I'll enlighten you. The same ppl who
> are talking succession have LIVED THEIR ENTINRE
> FUCKING LIVES UNDER THE PROTECTIONS OF THE SAME
> GOVERMENT THEY WISH TO LEAVE?!?! FUCK THEIR
> TRAITOR ASSES!!
>
> pic unrelated

They can secede if they want to. But what happens once they realize that there aren't any government services or protections from other countries once they do?

Definition lookup Wrote:
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> FP's Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > TRAITORS each and every one of them who
> > > sign...............
> >
> > In Federalist Paper 32 Hamilton said the
> > individual States
> > do not have the right to secede. However, in
> > Federalist Paper 39
> > Madison said they do. Some historians argue
> that
> > the matter was
> > settled by the War of Northern Aggression (or
> > Civil War as the
> > Yankee Flatlanders call it) but that's simply
> not
> > true as it's never
> > been decided by the Supreme Court. Perhaps you
> > could enlighten us?
>
>
> trai·tor
> A person who betrays a friend, country, principle,
> etc

Nothing traitorous about a majority of a State wishing to leave the Union
according to Madison in Federalist Paper 39. Try reading the docs before
you jump to conclusions. It's all on the web.

Young Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> FP's Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > TRAITORS each and every one of them who
> > > sign...............
> >
> > In Federalist Paper 32 Hamilton said the
> > individual States
> > do not have the right to secede. However, in
> > Federalist Paper 39
> > Madison said they do. Some historians argue
> that
> > the matter was
> > settled by the War of Northern Aggression (or
> > Civil War as the
> > Yankee Flatlanders call it) but that's simply
> not
> > true as it's never
> > been decided by the Supreme Court. Perhaps you
> > could enlighten us?
>
> "War of Northern Aggression"? Hardly, the CSA
> seceded from the US, and fired on Fort Sumter.
>
> States cannot secede from the Union, with the
> exception of Texas. And Texas only can because it
> was annexed in 1845 from the Republic of Texas.

Ref above reply concerning Federalist Paper 39.
The South Shall Rise Again! Fuck Obama and those
Chicago hood rats too.

FPs Wrote:
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> Definition lookup Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FP's Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > TRAITORS each and every one of them who
> > > > sign...............
> > >
> > > In Federalist Paper 32 Hamilton said the
> > > individual States
> > > do not have the right to secede. However, in
> > > Federalist Paper 39
> > > Madison said they do. Some historians argue
> > that
> > > the matter was
> > > settled by the War of Northern Aggression (or
> > > Civil War as the
> > > Yankee Flatlanders call it) but that's simply
> > not
> > > true as it's never
> > > been decided by the Supreme Court. Perhaps
> you
> > > could enlighten us?
> >
> >
> > trai·tor
> > A person who betrays a friend, country,
> principle,
> > etc
>
> Nothing traitorous about a majority of a State
> wishing to leave the Union
> according to Madison in Federalist Paper 39. Try
> reading the docs before
> you jump to conclusions. It's all on the web.

K FP, just calm down and you can have all the guns you want.

Take kentucky too bitches

This petition is as much of a joke as any online petition.

They could get every citizen of Texas to sign that petition and it still wouldn't matter. Texas cannot legally secede. They can choose to illegally secede, but that would result in the United States military being sent in to, ahem, reclaim the territory.

Put another way, we'd be a nuclear power in the midst of a civil war. Not that we'd nuke our own people, but we would suddenly find ourselves with foreign troops on our soil. After all, they can't allow a nuclear power to remain in civil war, especially when there are ICBMs located in the very state that caused the entire mess.

When it was all said and done, and Texas was crushed into oblivion, the one other almost entirely guaranteed change would be the loss of the 2nd amendment. It would almost likely be the result of UN sanctions (remember the whole nuclear weapons, civil war part?) and backlash from the population at American citizens firing on our own military.

Let's find a compromise.

Everyone who signs one of those petitions is now released from all federal tax obligations.

In return for this freedom, they release all claims on Social Security, Medicare, use of any facility, infrastructure or service which uses more than 50% federal funding, and must not travel outside of the state where they currently reside. They also relinquish any legal rights that the United States constitution provides.

This can extend to the CEOs who complain about Obama, taxes, regulations and the AHA. They can throw off the chains of government regulation, as well as access to our currency, our markets, and protections. They can relinquish all of their trademarks, copyrights and patents, in exchange for their freedom.

Oxyclean Wrote:
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"Texas cannot legally secede."

Where in the Constitution does it say they can't?
Any Supreme Court rulings?

FPs Wrote:
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> Oxyclean Wrote:
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>
> "Texas cannot legally secede."
>
> Where in the Constitution does it say they can't?
> Any Supreme Court rulings?


It was a major SCOTUS ruling during the Reconstruction. States cannot secede from the union. All these petition people are IMBECILES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

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> FPs Wrote:
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> > Oxyclean Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > "Texas cannot legally secede."
> >
> > Where in the Constitution does it say they
> can't?
> > Any Supreme Court rulings?
>
>
> It was a major SCOTUS ruling during the
> Reconstruction. States cannot secede from the
> union. All these petition people are IMBECILES.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

Not so fast there. Check this one out.

The question of leaving the Union is not addressed by the Constitution. In Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869), the Supreme Court suggested that the Constitution ordained the "perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union". The court did allow some possibility of the divisibility "through revolution, or through consent of the States."[6][7]
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FPs Wrote:
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> Ref above reply concerning Federalist Paper 39.
> The South Shall Rise Again! Fuck Obama and those
> Chicago hood rats too.

Go ahead and secede. If idiots like you think you can form a better country... make my day and try.

Oxyclean Wrote:
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> This petition is as much of a joke as any online
> petition.
>
> They could get every citizen of Texas to sign that
> petition and it still wouldn't matter. Texas
> cannot legally secede. They can choose to
> illegally secede, but that would result in the
> United States military being sent in to, ahem,
> reclaim the territory.
>
> Put another way, we'd be a nuclear power in the
> midst of a civil war. Not that we'd nuke our own
> people, but we would suddenly find ourselves with
> foreign troops on our soil. After all, they can't
> allow a nuclear power to remain in civil war,
> especially when there are ICBMs located in the
> very state that caused the entire mess.
>
> When it was all said and done, and Texas was
> crushed into oblivion, the one other almost
> entirely guaranteed change would be the loss of
> the 2nd amendment. It would almost likely be the
> result of UN sanctions (remember the whole nuclear
> weapons, civil war part?) and backlash from the
> population at American citizens firing on our own
> military

Texas should be able to legally secede, provided it surrenders/accepts:

1. All ICBMs and military hardware currently under the control of the U.S. Military
2. All protections that come as part of being the United States.
3. All ability to form treaties with the United States
4. Complete and utter liability for any and all weather events that occur in the state.

Getting rid of people who think the US Government is out to get them is a good idea.



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I would predict seceded states to form regional confederacies.
Texas, Louisiana, and Florida could be an economic powerhouse.
Appalachian states would be very powerful too.

ICTL Wrote:
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> I would predict seceded states to form regional
> confederacies.
> Texas, Louisiana, and Florida could be an economic
> powerhouse.
> Appalachian states would be very powerful too.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh lord you are delusional if you think Louisiana and Florida add anything to anything.

Florida is the number 1 net drawer of federal funds. Something about its average age being above 50. And louisiana is shit hole of hurricane alley which is literally disappearing. Land mass the size of Fairfax County disappears from Louisianas shorelines every decade.

Leave, stop whining, and just do Wrote:
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> ICTL Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I would predict seceded states to form regional
> > confederacies.
> > Texas, Louisiana, and Florida could be an
> economic
> > powerhouse.
> > Appalachian states would be very powerful too.
>
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> Oh lord you are delusional if you think Louisiana
> and Florida add anything to anything.
>
> Florida is the number 1 net drawer of federal
> funds. Something about its average age being above
> 50. And louisiana is shit hole of hurricane alley
> which is literally disappearing. Land mass the
> size of Fairfax County disappears from Louisianas
> shorelines every decade.


You can bet that any corporations that have their articles of incorporation in one of those states, or actually have their physical headquarters, would pack up and move to a non-secessionist state in order to continue doing business in, and enjoying the financial and regulatory benefits of, the United States.

I must have been asleep when Louisiana lost all their oil, natural gas, and access to the Mississippi. Did they give it to Mexico or something? Guess Florida stopped growing produce too. I'll start buying my oranges from Alaska.

ccryder Wrote:
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> I must have been asleep when Louisiana lost all
> their oil, natural gas, and access to the
> Mississippi. Did they give it to Mexico or
> something? Guess Florida stopped growing produce
> too. I'll start buying my oranges from Alaska.


Hey moron. 1 industry isn't enough to make a state well off. They are worst in the nation in education. Their population is decrepid. They are moochers of federal funds on the order of tens of billions compared to revenue they send to federal.

Fuckin idiot GOP thinks they can commodity their way out of this problem? Are you serious? Are you this dumb that you cant see there is a commodity bubble right now?

Seriously how do these fuckin morons get the nerve to think they know anything. Louisiana has a smaller GDP than fuckin Connecticut moron let alone California, New York, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Mass. and Washington, so go shove it

Jesus Christs Wrote:
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> ccryder Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I must have been asleep when Louisiana lost all
> > their oil, natural gas, and access to the
> > Mississippi. Did they give it to Mexico or
> > something? Guess Florida stopped growing
> produce
> > too. I'll start buying my oranges from Alaska.
>
>
> Hey moron. 1 industry isn't enough to make a state
> well off. They are worst in the nation in
> education. Their population is decrepid. They are
> moochers of federal funds on the order of tens of
> billions compared to revenue they send to
> federal.
>
> Fuckin idiot GOP thinks they can commodity their
> way out of this problem? Are you serious? Are you
> this dumb that you cant see there is a commodity
> bubble right now?
>
> Seriously how do these fuckin morons get the nerve
> to think they know anything. Louisiana has a
> smaller GDP than fuckin Connecticut moron let
> alone California, New York, Virginia,
> Pennsylvania, Mass. and Washington, so go shove it

User fees for passage on the Mississippi River. Fucking idiot dumb morons
fuckin moron shove it. I can tell you must be Harvard grad.

@xxryder - well, no you'll prolly be buying yr Oranges from China or Mexico once ppl in FL CHOP DOWN ALL THAT GROVE SHIT FOR FIREWOOD once their power goes out - didja know Florida's 3rd in power consumption? Over 6% of ALL the power the US generates goes to FL http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/states/electricity.cfm/state=FL and GUESS WHAT? They aint making it all south of I-10, ok?

So once that grid crashes and Florida turns into White Haiti, the state economy will prolly evolve.


p.s. - we've got your passage fee RIGHT HERE, traitor!
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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @xxryder - well, no you'll prolly be buying yr
> Oranges from China or Mexico once ppl in FL CHOP
> DOWN ALL THAT GROVE SHIT FOR FIREWOOD once their
> power goes out - didja know Florida's 3rd in power
> consumption? Over 6% of ALL the power the US
> generates goes to FL
> http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/states/electricity.cf
> m/state=FL and GUESS WHAT? They aint making it
> all south of I-10, ok?
>
> So once that grid crashes and Florida turns into
> White Haiti, the state economy will prolly evolve.

Florida is fully capable to building nuclear power plants. Just think.

>
>
>
> p.s. - we've got your passage fee RIGHT HERE,
> traitor!

Florida can build it's own nuclear power plants. Just think. They wouldn't
let Marxists take over their own EPA. I wonder what percentage of their
power consumption goes to the military now. Secession sounds better all
the time. I'm going to find out if there are any secessionist groups in
Virginia. :)

ccryder Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @xxryder - well, no you'll prolly be buying yr
> > Oranges from China or Mexico once ppl in FL
> CHOP
> > DOWN ALL THAT GROVE SHIT FOR FIREWOOD once
> their
> > power goes out - didja know Florida's 3rd in
> power
> > consumption? Over 6% of ALL the power the US
> > generates goes to FL
> >
> http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/states/electricity.cf
>
> > m/state=FL and GUESS WHAT? They aint making
> it
> > all south of I-10, ok?
> >
> > So once that grid crashes and Florida turns
> into
> > White Haiti, the state economy will prolly
> evolve.
>
> Florida is fully capable to building nuclear power
> plants. Just think.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > p.s. - we've got your passage fee RIGHT HERE,
> > traitor!
>
> Florida can build it's own nuclear power plants.
> Just think. They wouldn't
> let Marxists take over their own EPA. I wonder
> what percentage of their
> power consumption goes to the military now.
> Secession sounds better all
> the time. I'm going to find out if there are any
> secessionist groups in
> Virginia. :)


Who the hell is going to provide a bond to a new country which just seceded from the US, is full of redneck retirees who dont work, and is part of the neocon war agenda?

Please explain to me you pompous ass hole. Oh you are such a genius. Florida the most powerful nation on earth.

Fuckin douche

Nuclear Power plants also dont just pop up you fuckin ignorant cunt. Blame EPA for shit you chode. It takes 2 to 3 years just to create proper design documents for a nuclear power plant. Have you considered the impact of the low sea elevation and constant hurricanes for nuclear power fuck face? Heard of something called Fukishima? Even if you get a perfect design, it takes 4-6 years to construct one of those bad boys and billions, if not tens of billions, for just one.

You are such a little scared prick wanna be smart guy but you are dumb as fuck son. Go learn something

@you are so - nah, all it will take is just some good 'ole Confederate spunk and gumption and sho'nuff, Florida will be a leader of the free world in no time LoLz

Cause if there's one thing we can say about Floridians, it's that they dont fuck up important shit and will not STOP until they get things done RIGHT!

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you are so retarded it hurts Wrote:
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> ccryder Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > @xxryder - well, no you'll prolly be buying
> yr
> > > Oranges from China or Mexico once ppl in FL
> > CHOP
> > > DOWN ALL THAT GROVE SHIT FOR FIREWOOD once
> > their
> > > power goes out - didja know Florida's 3rd in
> > power
> > > consumption? Over 6% of ALL the power the US
> > > generates goes to FL
> > >
> >
> http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/states/electricity.cf
>
> >
> > > m/state=FL and GUESS WHAT? They aint making
> > it
> > > all south of I-10, ok?
> > >
> > > So once that grid crashes and Florida turns
> > into
> > > White Haiti, the state economy will prolly
> > evolve.
> >
> > Florida is fully capable to building nuclear
> power
> > plants. Just think.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > p.s. - we've got your passage fee RIGHT HERE,
> > > traitor!
> >
> > Florida can build it's own nuclear power
> plants.
> > Just think. They wouldn't
> > let Marxists take over their own EPA. I wonder
> > what percentage of their
> > power consumption goes to the military now.
> > Secession sounds better all
> > the time. I'm going to find out if there are
> any
> > secessionist groups in
> > Virginia. :)
>
>
> Who the hell is going to provide a bond to a new
> country which just seceded from the US, is full of
> redneck retirees who dont work, and is part of the
> neocon war agenda?
>
> Please explain to me you pompous ass hole. Oh you
> are such a genius. Florida the most powerful
> nation on earth.
>
> Fuckin douche
>
> Nuclear Power plants also dont just pop up you
> fuckin ignorant cunt. Blame EPA for shit you
> chode. It takes 2 to 3 years just to create proper
> design documents for a nuclear power plant. Have
> you considered the impact of the low sea elevation
> and constant hurricanes for nuclear power fuck
> face? Heard of something called Fukishima? Even if
> you get a perfect design, it takes 4-6 years to
> construct one of those bad boys and billions, if
> not tens of billions, for just one.
>
> You are such a little scared prick wanna be smart
> guy but you are dumb as fuck son. Go learn
> something

"Pompous asshole, Fuckin douche, fuckin ignorant cunt, chode, fuck face,
little scared prick, dumb as fuck". Nice talk. I can tell you are a very
gifted writer and scholar.


They could build it underground just like the Iranians.
Depending on which confederacy Florida decides to belong to they could
also buy power from a neighboring nation. I couldn't find any secessionist
groups in Virginia but if you Google: secessionist groups in the usa
you will find plenty. I was surprised to find Vermont has had a secessionist
movement for quite some time. Unsuccessful so far but maybe this idea
will take off. Interesting article here from the WSJ on redefining borders.
Just think. We could draw a big circle around DC and it could be it's own
country too. President Marion Barry has a ring to it. I don't really care
because I'm moving away from here next year anyway.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204482304574219813708759806.html

ccryder Wrote:
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> you are so retarded it hurts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ccryder Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > @xxryder - well, no you'll prolly be buying
> > yr
> > > > Oranges from China or Mexico once ppl in FL
> > > CHOP
> > > > DOWN ALL THAT GROVE SHIT FOR FIREWOOD once
> > > their
> > > > power goes out - didja know Florida's 3rd
> in
> > > power
> > > > consumption? Over 6% of ALL the power the
> US
> > > > generates goes to FL
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/states/electricity.cf
>
> >
> > >
> > > > m/state=FL and GUESS WHAT? They aint
> making
> > > it
> > > > all south of I-10, ok?
> > > >
> > > > So once that grid crashes and Florida turns
> > > into
> > > > White Haiti, the state economy will prolly
> > > evolve.
> > >
> > > Florida is fully capable to building nuclear
> > power
> > > plants. Just think.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > p.s. - we've got your passage fee RIGHT
> HERE,
> > > > traitor!
> > >
> > > Florida can build it's own nuclear power
> > plants.
> > > Just think. They wouldn't
> > > let Marxists take over their own EPA. I
> wonder
> > > what percentage of their
> > > power consumption goes to the military now.
> > > Secession sounds better all
> > > the time. I'm going to find out if there are
> > any
> > > secessionist groups in
> > > Virginia. :)
> >
> >
> > Who the hell is going to provide a bond to a
> new
> > country which just seceded from the US, is full
> of
> > redneck retirees who dont work, and is part of
> the
> > neocon war agenda?
> >
> > Please explain to me you pompous ass hole. Oh
> you
> > are such a genius. Florida the most powerful
> > nation on earth.
> >
> > Fuckin douche
> >
> > Nuclear Power plants also dont just pop up you
> > fuckin ignorant cunt. Blame EPA for shit you
> > chode. It takes 2 to 3 years just to create
> proper
> > design documents for a nuclear power plant.
> Have
> > you considered the impact of the low sea
> elevation
> > and constant hurricanes for nuclear power fuck
> > face? Heard of something called Fukishima? Even
> if
> > you get a perfect design, it takes 4-6 years to
> > construct one of those bad boys and billions,
> if
> > not tens of billions, for just one.
> >
> > You are such a little scared prick wanna be
> smart
> > guy but you are dumb as fuck son. Go learn
> > something
>
> "Pompous asshole, Fuckin douche, fuckin ignorant
> cunt, chode, fuck face,
> little scared prick, dumb as fuck". Nice talk. I
> can tell you are a very
> gifted writer and scholar.
>
>
> They could build it underground just like the
> Iranians.
> Depending on which confederacy Florida decides to
> belong to they could
> also buy power from a neighboring nation. I
> couldn't find any secessionist
> groups in Virginia but if you Google: secessionist
> groups in the usa
> you will find plenty. I was surprised to find
> Vermont has had a secessionist
> movement for quite some time. Unsuccessful so far
> but maybe this idea
> will take off. Interesting article here from the
> WSJ on redefining borders.
> Just think. We could draw a big circle around DC
> and it could be it's own
> country too. President Marion Barry has a ring to
> it. I don't really care
> because I'm moving away from here next year
> anyway.
>
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702044
> 82304574219813708759806.html

God you are ignorant. Build it underground in brackish saturated soil. Are you fuckin stupid? In Iran (was this supposed to be some sort of Obama is not being strong on Iran joke btw?) they build it into mountains with rock.

You are what is wrong with society. You think you have come up with some great amazing idea, but you dont go through the practical side. Yours is the story of moron society who thinks that the problem is with someone else and therefore you can do it better. Based on all the factual problems your statements have had, no no you couldnt you stupid cunt

leave then Wrote:
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> ccryder Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > you are so retarded it hurts Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ccryder Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > @xxryder - well, no you'll prolly be
> buying
> > > yr
> > > > > Oranges from China or Mexico once ppl in
> FL
> > > > CHOP
> > > > > DOWN ALL THAT GROVE SHIT FOR FIREWOOD
> once
> > > > their
> > > > > power goes out - didja know Florida's 3rd
> > in
> > > > power
> > > > > consumption? Over 6% of ALL the power
> the
> > US
> > > > > generates goes to FL
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/states/electricity.cf
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > m/state=FL and GUESS WHAT? They aint
> > making
> > > > it
> > > > > all south of I-10, ok?
> > > > >
> > > > > So once that grid crashes and Florida
> turns
> > > > into
> > > > > White Haiti, the state economy will
> prolly
> > > > evolve.
> > > >
> > > > Florida is fully capable to building
> nuclear
> > > power
> > > > plants. Just think.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > p.s. - we've got your passage fee RIGHT
> > HERE,
> > > > > traitor!
> > > >
> > > > Florida can build it's own nuclear power
> > > plants.
> > > > Just think. They wouldn't
> > > > let Marxists take over their own EPA. I
> > wonder
> > > > what percentage of their
> > > > power consumption goes to the military now.
> > > > Secession sounds better all
> > > > the time. I'm going to find out if there
> are
> > > any
> > > > secessionist groups in
> > > > Virginia. :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Who the hell is going to provide a bond to a
> > new
> > > country which just seceded from the US, is
> full
> > of
> > > redneck retirees who dont work, and is part
> of
> > the
> > > neocon war agenda?
> > >
> > > Please explain to me you pompous ass hole. Oh
> > you
> > > are such a genius. Florida the most powerful
> > > nation on earth.
> > >
> > > Fuckin douche
> > >
> > > Nuclear Power plants also dont just pop up
> you
> > > fuckin ignorant cunt. Blame EPA for shit you
> > > chode. It takes 2 to 3 years just to create
> > proper
> > > design documents for a nuclear power plant.
> > Have
> > > you considered the impact of the low sea
> > elevation
> > > and constant hurricanes for nuclear power
> fuck
> > > face? Heard of something called Fukishima?
> Even
> > if
> > > you get a perfect design, it takes 4-6 years
> to
> > > construct one of those bad boys and billions,
> > if
> > > not tens of billions, for just one.
> > >
> > > You are such a little scared prick wanna be
> > smart
> > > guy but you are dumb as fuck son. Go learn
> > > something
> >
> > "Pompous asshole, Fuckin douche, fuckin
> ignorant
> > cunt, chode, fuck face,
> > little scared prick, dumb as fuck". Nice talk.
> I
> > can tell you are a very
> > gifted writer and scholar.
> >
> >
> > They could build it underground just like the
> > Iranians.
> > Depending on which confederacy Florida decides
> to
> > belong to they could
> > also buy power from a neighboring nation. I
> > couldn't find any secessionist
> > groups in Virginia but if you Google:
> secessionist
> > groups in the usa
> > you will find plenty. I was surprised to find
> > Vermont has had a secessionist
> > movement for quite some time. Unsuccessful so
> far
> > but maybe this idea
> > will take off. Interesting article here from
> the
> > WSJ on redefining borders.
> > Just think. We could draw a big circle around
> DC
> > and it could be it's own
> > country too. President Marion Barry has a ring
> to
> > it. I don't really care
> > because I'm moving away from here next year
> > anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702044
>
> > 82304574219813708759806.html
>
> God you are ignorant. Build it underground in
> brackish saturated soil. Are you fuckin stupid? In
> Iran (was this supposed to be some sort of Obama
> is not being strong on Iran joke btw?) they build
> it into mountains with rock.
>
> You are what is wrong with society. You think you
> have come up with some great amazing idea, but you
> dont go through the practical side. Yours is the
> story of moron society who thinks that the problem
> is with someone else and therefore you can do it
> better. Based on all the factual problems your
> statements have had, no no you couldnt you stupid
> cunt

stupid cunt,
I will leave when the time comes. No idea how the midwest would be
divided up but I'm sure somebody will come up with something. BTW,
I didn't come up with this idea. If you'd read the links from the
OP on down you would know that.

ccryder Wrote:
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>
> They could build it underground just like the
> Iranians.

Those are not underground nuclear power plants. They are underground enrichment facilities.

Ask the people of New Orleans about putting power generation underground.


> Depending on which confederacy Florida decides to
> belong to they could
> also buy power from a neighboring nation. I


Florida will not choose. FEMA already has made this decision for you.




> couldn't find any secessionist
> groups in Virginia but if you Google: secessionist
> groups in the usa
> you will find plenty. I was surprised to find


Plenty of groups definitely lends credibility. I also found a lot of youtube videos about the freeman and sovereign movement. Doesn't make it a good idea to burn your driver's license and then go driving around Northern Va roads.

FEMA Camp guard Wrote:
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> ccryder Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > They could build it underground just like the
> > Iranians.
>
> Those are not underground nuclear power plants.
> They are underground enrichment facilities.
>
> Ask the people of New Orleans about putting power
> generation underground.
>
>
> > Depending on which confederacy Florida decides
> to
> > belong to they could
> > also buy power from a neighboring nation. I
>
>
> Florida will not choose. FEMA already has made
> this decision for you.
>
>
>
>
> > couldn't find any secessionist
> > groups in Virginia but if you Google:
> secessionist
> > groups in the usa
> > you will find plenty. I was surprised to find
>
>
> Plenty of groups definitely lends credibility. I
> also found a lot of youtube videos about the
> freeman and sovereign movement. Doesn't make it a
> good idea to burn your driver's license and then
> go driving around Northern Va roads.

Fuck FEMA.

TGR Wrote:
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> Wuh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And what has he actually DONE to restrict it?
> And
> > to clarify, I mean as President.
>
> If you have to pose that question you must be
> living under a rock.
> Try looking at the NRA's Institute for Legislative
> Action website if
> you are just starting out on this argument. I'm
> not going to do you
> homework for you.

So you want to use the rightest fringe group in the country to back up your idiotic statement. You are saying this as you sit in your double wide and polish the guns that you still have, and will continue to have.
Relax, go kiss your sister/wife and shoot some cans off the stump in your backyard, Hillbilly!!!!

Please secede, then we'll sit back and watch as every third world country on the planet invades you. You losers have taken this lost to whole new levels of patheticness. maybe you can all go live on the Romney compound with your loser wanna be president.

I saw on Politico this morning that Texas has gathered enough signatures on the White House website to rate a response. This is going to be fun!

BTA Wrote:
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> I saw on Politico this morning that Texas has
> gathered enough signatures on the White House
> website to rate a response. This is going to be
> fun!

That means 25000. For a state of 25million thats not a big deal. For instance there are over 2 million incarcerated citizens in Texas. There are also over 1 million mentally unstable and medicated residents in Texas (4% of population). The fact that .1% of the population go together to sign something means nothing. The Green Party received .1% of the vote in Texas, thats about how legitimate this whole thing is. Talk to me when its a majority of the people in that state loser, otherwise you aint seceding no where even if the president says ok.

means nada Wrote:
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> BTA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I saw on Politico this morning that Texas has
> > gathered enough signatures on the White House
> > website to rate a response. This is going to be
> > fun!
>
> That means 25000. For a state of 25million thats
> not a big deal. For instance there are over 2
> million incarcerated citizens in Texas. There are
> also over 1 million mentally unstable and
> medicated residents in Texas (4% of population).
> The fact that .1% of the population go together to
> sign something means nothing. The Green Party
> received .1% of the vote in Texas, thats about how
> legitimate this whole thing is. Talk to me when
> its a majority of the people in that state loser,
> otherwise you aint seceding no where even if the
> president says ok.

The signatures mean that the White House under it's policy must now respond. This will get press coverage and publicity. Then others will find out about the secessionist movements. That's the objective.

You Hillbilly Wrote:
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> TGR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wuh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And what has he actually DONE to restrict it?
>
> > And
> > > to clarify, I mean as President.
> >
> > If you have to pose that question you must be
> > living under a rock.
> > Try looking at the NRA's Institute for
> Legislative
> > Action website if
> > you are just starting out on this argument. I'm
> > not going to do you
> > homework for you.
>
> So you want to use the rightest fringe group in
> the country to back up your idiotic statement. You
> are saying this as you sit in your double wide and
> polish the guns that you still have, and will
> continue to have.
> Relax, go kiss your sister/wife and shoot some
> cans off the stump in your backyard, Hillbilly!!!!

The NRA has 4.5 million members and growing. The most powerful lobby on the Hill
is the AARP. The NRA is the 2nd most powerful. Ask Harry Reid about his A rating
from the NRA. Too bad you have to resort of vile name calling but seeing as how
you must be one of Dr. Cecil Jacobsens kids I understand.

TGR. Wrote:
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> The NRA has 4.5 million members and growing. The
> most powerful lobby on the Hill
> is the AARP. The NRA is the 2nd most powerful. Ask
> Harry Reid about his A rating
> from the NRA. Too bad you have to resort of vile
> name calling but seeing as how
> you must be one of Dr. Cecil Jacobsens kids I
> understand.


That's interesting. So you are saying the NRA is a pretty powerful group here in America, eh? Kinda like how powerful Hamas is in Palestine, right? Or maybe you are saying they are more like the USA version of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood? Just interesting comparison you make, is all....... Didnt the IRA give "A ratings" to politicos as well?

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> TGR. Wrote:
> -
> > The NRA has 4.5 million members and growing.
> The
> > most powerful lobby on the Hill
> > is the AARP. The NRA is the 2nd most powerful.
> Ask
> > Harry Reid about his A rating
> > from the NRA. Too bad you have to resort of
> vile
> > name calling but seeing as how
> > you must be one of Dr. Cecil Jacobsens kids I
> > understand.
>
>
> That's interesting. So you are saying the NRA is
> a pretty powerful group here in America, eh?
> Kinda like how powerful Hamas is in Palestine,
> right? Or maybe you are saying they are more
> like the USA version of Egypt's Muslim
> Brotherhood? Just interesting comparison you
> make, is all....... Didnt the IRA give "A
> ratings" to politicos as well?

No, I'm talking about lobbying and legal power.
"As former Clinton spokesman George Stephanopoulos said, "Let me make one small vote for the NRA. They're good citizens. They call their Congressmen. They write. They vote. They contribute. And they get what they want over time."

If you doubt the power of the NRA I would suggest you Google:

NRA legislative successes

and,

pro gun democrats

Here'a little tidbit for you. Comparing the NRA's power to Hamas
and the Muslim Brotherhood is rather childish don't you think?

The NYT said it well.

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/national_rifle_association/index.html

@TGR - well, no - not childish at all..............

the NYT said it well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/world/middleeast/05iht-letter05.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


lobbying and legal power, yo. Same thing as NRA. Trying to use it's legal power to influence the populace that their viewpoint is the ONLY legit viewpoint.

p.s. since yr bringing up that one small vote thingee............ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> @TGR - well, no - not childish at
> all..............
>
> the NYT said it well.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/world/middleeast
> /05iht-letter05.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
>
>
> lobbying and legal power, yo. Same thing as NRA.
> Trying to use it's legal power to influence the
> populace that their viewpoint is the ONLY legit
> viewpoint.
>
> p.s. since yr bringing up that one small vote
> thingee............
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html

Sorry gordon but their viewpoint is to interpret the 2nd Amendment
literally, the same way as the SCOTUS rulings in Heller and McDonald.
You lose. "The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms.

rights aren't absolute, TGR. right to free speech? court has held you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, for example.

courts have also held that you can't own certain types of guns.

granted most of the posters here are intellectual lilliputians, but you need to be more specific than you're being.

Curmudgeon Wrote:
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> rights aren't absolute, TGR. right to free
> speech? court has held you can't yell "fire" in a
> crowded theater, for example.
>
> courts have also held that you can't own certain
> types of guns.
>
> granted most of the posters here are intellectual
> lilliputians, but you need to be more specific
> than you're being.

Specific about what? Shall I start quoting the Federalist Papers
and how the 2nd Amendment came to be or post the SCOTUS rulings
in Heller and McDonald? National Firearms Act maybe?