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obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: native 1962 ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:54AM

“But I do take offense with some suggestion that in any way, we haven’t tried to make sure that the American people knew as the information was coming in what we believed.”

Obama is a LIAR. Your persident allowed four Amercians to be raped and murdered. He and Hiliary lie to you calling this action a result of a movie. Are you not insulted by this? So when you pull the lever Tuesday ...please think about the parents and loved ones of these brave amercians,

Father of Slain Benghazi SEAL to Obama: “It’s Better to Die a Hero Than Live a Coward” (Video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I8cgUfdSgw&feature=player_embedded

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: just one vote ()
Date: October 30, 2012 05:28PM

November 6 is the day to show this terasoner the door.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Now they got raped ()
Date: October 30, 2012 05:32PM

Note to the GOP, might wanna stop your fringe elements from screaming rape since they dont even know how it works.

I heard at benghazi they could have shut that whole thing down if it was legitimate terrorism.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: 911 ()
Date: October 30, 2012 05:34PM

http://current.com/shows/viewpoint/videos/did-the-cias-pre-911-warnings-fll-on-deaf-ears/

That is the only terrorist event in Americas history that should be laid at the feet of a president

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: I wont post again ()
Date: October 30, 2012 05:35PM

Anyone who doesnt vote for Obama is a racist. You have been put on notice.
Attachments:
white_guilt(3).jpg

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: yea its all about race ()
Date: October 30, 2012 05:39PM

Keep thinking Obama's presidency was about white guilt. He is a better candidate than McCain who came in wanting to continue policies like over extending our military, cutting back on infrastructure spending and education.

Democrats will win elections because the demographics of this country, and more importantly the states that make money for this country, are changing and becoming more progressive. After 8 years of the destruction of America under Bush, those states know better and are not going back there.

Keep thinking this is about race and not platform. Enjoy the next jackal you send to be president in 2016. Let me guess now, Rubio Vice President (to look like the GOP cares about hispanics) and Christie or Santorum as nomination.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: sorry but no ()
Date: October 30, 2012 05:45PM

LOL compare Obama to McCain, might as well compare the Redskins to Carolina. Both are losers

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Tea Partier ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:03PM

yea its all about race Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Keep thinking Obama's presidency was about white
> guilt. He is a better candidate than McCain who
> came in wanting to continue policies like over
> extending our military, cutting back on
> infrastructure spending and education.

No! Better investment in infrastructure isn't possibly correlated with an better economy! I can't hear you, I can't hear you, la, la, la, la, la!


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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Jacksonville Romneys ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:11PM

sorry but no Wrote:
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> LOL compare Obama to McCain, might as well compare
> the Redskins to Carolina. Both are losers


Well call Romney Jacksonville because he is the biggest loser of them all and the pakistanis will own his ass if he ever gets elected.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: pray tell ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:16PM

Jacksonville Romneys Wrote:
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> Well call Romney Jacksonville because he is the
> biggest loser of them all and the pakistanis will
> own his ass if he ever gets elected.

Curious when did you earn 250 million to call anyone a loser?

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: YellowDog ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:19PM

native 1962 Wrote:


> Obama is a LIAR. Your persident allowed four
> Amercians to be raped and murdered. He and Hiliary
> lie to you calling this action a result of a
> movie. Are you not insulted by this? So when you
> pull the lever Tuesday ...please think about the
> parents and loved ones of these brave amercians,
>
> Father of Slain Benghazi SEAL to Obama: “It’s
> Better to Die a Hero Than Live a Coward”
> (Video)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I8cgUfdSgw&feature
> =player_embedded


Well, yea, perhaps, but it's not like they mattered, according to you. After all, they were only "amercians" -- whatever that is.

I know that it dampens your fun and all, but the two gentlemen were FORMER Navy Seals and in the employ of the CIA. This wasn't a military action.

Do you still get paid by the RNC for posting this when you come off as an illiterate buffoon? That DOES damage the brand!

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: hahahaha ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:19PM

Wow old Willard starts on 3rd base and hits a home run and thats supposed to make me feel bad?

I grew up with nothing, 1st generation legal immigrant, worked my ass off and went to tech and now make 6 figures living quite comfortably. I'd rather have accomplished something than be a little prestigious prick like Willard Mitt Romney.

Shocker he made his money using his access to money to buy companies with no money, dismantling them, for........ MONEY

God forbid we who actually build and create things for this country call him out for his worthlessness.

Suck a dick

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Get realz ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:23PM

yea its all about race Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Keep thinking Obama's presidency was about white
> guilt. He is a better candidate than McCain who
> came in wanting to continue policies like over
> extending our military, cutting back on
> infrastructure spending and education.
>
> Democrats will win elections because the
> demographics of this country, and more importantly
> the states that make money for this country, are
> changing and becoming more progressive. After 8
> years of the destruction of America under Bush,
> those states know better and are not going back
> there.
>
> Keep thinking this is about race and not platform.
> Enjoy the next jackal you send to be president in
> 2016. Let me guess now, Rubio Vice President (to
> look like the GOP cares about hispanics) and
> Christie or Santorum as nomination.


Bullshit. He won because he's black. And given that he's not even really black, he won because he LOOKS black.

And that's easy to demonstrate by the simple fact that a white male candidate with the same qualifications never would have been nominated over Hillary. Not even arguable.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: calling out the losers ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:24PM

hahahaha Wrote:
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> Wow old Willard starts on 3rd base and hits a home
> run and thats supposed to make me feel bad?
>
> I grew up with nothing, 1st generation legal
> immigrant, worked my ass off and went to tech and
> now make 6 figures living quite comfortably. I'd
> rather have accomplished something than be a
> little prestigious prick like Willard Mitt
> Romney.
>
> Shocker he made his money using his access to
> money to buy companies with no money, dismantling
> them, for........ MONEY
>
> God forbid we who actually build and create things
> for this country call him out for his
> worthlessness.
>
> Suck a dick

Born a loser and still a loser. Jealous of others with wealth. If it was so easy for Romney why didnt you just copy him? Retard investing all your money in lottery tickets. Even if you win you will still be a loser.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: YellowDog ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:25PM

just one vote Wrote:
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> November 6 is the day to show this terasoner the
> door.

I'm sorry, the "terasoner"? My French is quite rusty, unlike Mr. Romney's. My German is much, much better. If you're being Coy by using a foreign language, could you umschreiben in Deutsch, bitte?

Of course, you may just be stupid.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: your true colors ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:28PM

hahahaha Wrote:
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> I grew up with nothing, 1st generation legal
> immigrant, worked my ass off and went to tech and
> now make 6 figures living quite comfortably. I'd
> rather have accomplished something than be a
> little prestigious prick like Willard Mitt
> Romney.


^^^^
gets his meals at Lamb Center, throws around words like "six figures" when he knows he is full of shit

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Roight there ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:28PM

Are you an idiot? I could care less about having hundreds of millions doing nothing. I have no mortgage and 600k in equity if I sold it today. I am extremely frugal with my money actually. In fact I love when I can get out of a month without spending more than 100 dollars on discretionary spending. I could theoretically retire today (well into 7 digits in savings with my house) but I like what I do and I would be bored if I didnt work.

Any thing else loser? or you too busy cleaning up the basement before your mom gets home to retort?

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Roight there ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:31PM

your true colors Wrote:
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> hahahaha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I grew up with nothing, 1st generation legal
> > immigrant, worked my ass off and went to tech
> and
> > now make 6 figures living quite comfortably.
> I'd
> > rather have accomplished something than be a
> > little prestigious prick like Willard Mitt
> > Romney.
>
>
> ^^^^
> gets his meals at Lamb Center, throws around words
> like "six figures" when he knows he is full of
> shit

130k, and I dont have a mortgage (just R.E. taxes which are about 500 bucks per month). Do the math douche. My household saves about 120k per year between me and my wife. IE every decade I make 1.2 million. IE I am doing far better than you.

Suck a dick, and always remember that Virginia Tech is better than whatever shitty school you graduated from.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: yes its all because hes black ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:34PM

Get realz Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> yea its all about race Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Keep thinking Obama's presidency was about
> white
> > guilt. He is a better candidate than McCain who
> > came in wanting to continue policies like over
> > extending our military, cutting back on
> > infrastructure spending and education.
> >
> > Democrats will win elections because the
> > demographics of this country, and more
> importantly
> > the states that make money for this country,
> are
> > changing and becoming more progressive. After 8
> > years of the destruction of America under Bush,
> > those states know better and are not going back
> > there.
> >
> > Keep thinking this is about race and not
> platform.
> > Enjoy the next jackal you send to be president
> in
> > 2016. Let me guess now, Rubio Vice President
> (to
> > look like the GOP cares about hispanics) and
> > Christie or Santorum as nomination.
>
>
> Bullshit. He won because he's black. And given
> that he's not even really black, he won because he
> LOOKS black.
>
> And that's easy to demonstrate by the simple fact
> that a white male candidate with the same
> qualifications never would have been nominated
> over Hillary. Not even arguable.

Yes because Hillary Clinton would have been an easy candidate to elect. Not like shes polarizing to the right or something. Obama was elected because he was better in the primaries. Obama beat McCain because it was a referendum on shitty GOP policies in the 2000s, hence why the dems also won the house and senate.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: what a chump u r ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:37PM

Keep dreaming. 130k and you think you have it made? You are more of a loser than I first thought. Your wife is prob some fat pig with a low GS job and wears Walmart clothes. Your kids, and God forbid you populate the earth with offspring, are bullied in school because their mom is fat and their dad is a bald headed dick.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Tough One ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:48PM

Fast and Furious, under his watch and Holder's, two federal agents were killed in a botched operation to give guns to Mexican criminals. The purpose of course was to fuck with the 2nd amendment, the result sadly was the loss of two guys protecting our nation.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: yep sure there buddy ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:55PM

what a chump u r Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Keep dreaming. 130k and you think you have it
> made? You are more of a loser than I first
> thought. Your wife is prob some fat pig with a low
> GS job and wears Walmart clothes. Your kids, and
> God forbid you populate the earth with offspring,
> are bullied in school because their mom is fat and
> their dad is a bald headed dick.

The difference is, I know how to save money. I am 31 years old and own my place outright because I dont go buy a car every 3 years, I bought in a location where my value was preserved, and I dont need every tech gadget known to man. I saved and saved, and worked my ass off. I dont care about my salary because either way my net savings every year are better than you ever will have. PS, my income will continue to go up because when you have a technical degree you always have a job.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Tough shit fucker ()
Date: October 30, 2012 06:57PM

Tough One Wrote:
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> Fast and Furious, under his watch and Holder's,
> two federal agents were killed in a botched
> operation to give guns to Mexican criminals. The
> purpose of course was to fuck with the 2nd
> amendment, the result sadly was the loss of two
> guys protecting our nation.

Yes except thats complete bullshit. It was hidden from the federal DoJ and carried out by the Arizona governor and their state authorities (both republican).

Another fucking lie from the GOP to blame a freak incident which shouldnt be politicized in the first place on a single party, even though the real culprits were GOP.

The reason the Arizona administration is to blame? Because it was determined that they believed going to the federal authorities would not have worked because of the risk of the operation and its unorthadox methods.

Fucking tool

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Posted by: Brian Terry ()
Date: October 30, 2012 07:24PM

Tough shit fucker Wrote:
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> Tough One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fast and Furious, under his watch and Holder's,
> > two federal agents were killed in a botched
> > operation to give guns to Mexican criminals.
> The
> > purpose of course was to fuck with the 2nd
> > amendment, the result sadly was the loss of two
> > guys protecting our nation.
>
> Yes except thats complete bullshit. It was hidden
> from the federal DoJ and carried out by the
> Arizona governor and their state authorities (both
> republican).
>
> Another fucking lie from the GOP to blame a freak
> incident which shouldnt be politicized in the
> first place on a single party, even though the
> real culprits were GOP.
>
> The reason the Arizona administration is to blame?
> Because it was determined that they believed going
> to the federal authorities would not have worked
> because of the risk of the operation and its
> unorthadox methods.
>
> Fucking tool


Bullshit. You need to read something other than MSNBC. Try the DOJ's own IG's report if you want it from an independent source.

AZ had nothing to do with it. It was a Federal operation. ATF and the US Attorney's Office both within DOJ. That's why Weinstein, Melson, and the rest were forced to resign. And there's more coming once the civil judge requires that the Administration release the documents withheld under executive privilege.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Sheeple Say What? ()
Date: October 30, 2012 07:24PM

~
Attachments:
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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Brian Terry ()
Date: October 30, 2012 07:32PM

Why didnt fox report it? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How come Fox News stopped demanding answers on
> this fake story, and then went straight to
> Benghazi? Oh right because they were full of shit
> and the GOP was caught making big mistakes (as
> they always do)
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/us/report-places
> -blame-in-operation-fast-and-furious.html?pagewant
> ed=all
>
> http://wtvr.com/2012/09/19/fast-and-furious-report
> -preview/
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/19/nation/la-
> na-fast-furious-20120920
>
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sou
> rce=web&cd=4&ved=0CDYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fo
> xnews.com%2Fpolitics%2F2012%2F07%2F30%2Frepublican
> s-to-issue-report-blaming-five-atf-employees-for-f
> ast-and-furious%2F&ei=j1uQUOmgJIyt0AHR4YHYAg&usg=A
> FQjCNHJh3_qsZ0C_o7ROZRFWNNLa_Y1ug&sig2=Sc0hJSDVW5w
> lIIQPtg3otQ


They didn't dummy.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/29/issa-grassley-report-links-fast-furious-to-widespread-justice-dept-failures/

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/30/mexican-national-to-change-plea-in-death-border-patrol-agent-tied-to-furious/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/16/justice-department-seeks-dismissal-fast-and-furious-lawsuit/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/11/atf-whistle-blower-fired-claims-furious-complaints-played-role/

Among others.


And the House Oversight Committee just released the second of its reports yesterday.

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/10-29-12-Fast-and-Furious-The-Anatomy-of-a-Failed-Operation-Part-II-of-III-Report.pdf


Just because they don't tell you about such things on MSNBC doesn't mean that they aren't happening.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: obama grrls ()
Date: October 30, 2012 07:59PM

welfare rocks, tax the rich
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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: you are a fucking tooooool ()
Date: October 30, 2012 10:21PM

Brian Terry Wrote:
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> Why didnt fox report it? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How come Fox News stopped demanding answers on
> > this fake story, and then went straight to
> > Benghazi? Oh right because they were full of
> shit
> > and the GOP was caught making big mistakes (as
> > they always do)
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/us/report-places
>
> >
> -blame-in-operation-fast-and-furious.html?pagewant
>
> > ed=all
> >
> >
> http://wtvr.com/2012/09/19/fast-and-furious-report
>
> > -preview/
> >
> >
> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/19/nation/la-
>
> > na-fast-furious-20120920
> >
> >
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sou
>
> >
> rce=web&cd=4&ved=0CDYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fo
>
> >
> xnews.com%2Fpolitics%2F2012%2F07%2F30%2Frepublican
>
> >
> s-to-issue-report-blaming-five-atf-employees-for-f
>
> >
> ast-and-furious%2F&ei=j1uQUOmgJIyt0AHR4YHYAg&usg=A
>
> >
> FQjCNHJh3_qsZ0C_o7ROZRFWNNLa_Y1ug&sig2=Sc0hJSDVW5w
>
> > lIIQPtg3otQ
>
>
> They didn't dummy.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/29/issa-gr
> assley-report-links-fast-furious-to-widespread-jus
> tice-dept-failures/
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/30/mexican-na
> tional-to-change-plea-in-death-border-patrol-agent
> -tied-to-furious/
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/16/justice
> -department-seeks-dismissal-fast-and-furious-lawsu
> it/
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/11/atf-whi
> stle-blower-fired-claims-furious-complaints-played
> -role/
>
> Among others.
>
>
> And the House Oversight Committee just released
> the second of its reports yesterday.
>
> http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012
> /10/10-29-12-Fast-and-Furious-The-Anatomy-of-a-Fai
> led-Operation-Part-II-of-III-Report.pdf
>
>
> Just because they don't tell you about such things
> on MSNBC doesn't mean that they aren't happening.


None of what you just posted has anything showing how DoJ or the Obama administration HAD ANYTHING to do with the gun running you fucking lying douche who is trying to help lie to american people. You will do anything so your side will win, including FUCKING LYING and that is the kind of shit that sent this country down the shitter in the 2000s, but you dont care because you are some asshole who couldnt give a fuck what kind of country is left after your selfish me me generation is gone.

Cunt

Go ahead, retort you fucking tool and I hope a fuckin cigarette truck runs over your nads and your neck.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Fox cunts ()
Date: October 30, 2012 10:23PM

They ran weeks of coverage saying how this was a huge cover up from federal agents. Then when the story comes out showing it was the GOP in Arizona, they change to being just a fact reporting media on what occurred at the scene, who the criminals are, etc?

Are you this fucking retarded? Seriously. They were praying to god that they could find the most obscure linkage, but when it turned out that serious misconduct occurred, but on their side, they hide it dont they?

DONT THEY YOU FUCKING HELL BOUND MOTHER FUCKING NAZI PRICK

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: THEIR SOULS ()
Date: October 30, 2012 10:25PM

Will burn in hell with yours for lying to the american people for the sake of winning an election, an election that at the end of the day the intelligence of the american people will not allow you to win.

YOU ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM IN THIS WORLD AND I WISH THAT SOME MIGHTY HAND COULD COME DOWN AND WIPE THE WORLD OF YOUR TWO FACED EXISTANCE

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: in the know 4 sho ()
Date: October 30, 2012 10:56PM

anyone who has any connection to the house committee know that Holder is gone, and if Holder is gone, Obama is gone because Holder is Holding up all the subpoenas

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: UR Hopeless ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:21PM

you are a fucking tooooool Wrote:
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> Brian Terry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why didnt fox report it? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > How come Fox News stopped demanding answers
> on
> > > this fake story, and then went straight to
> > > Benghazi? Oh right because they were full of
> > shit
> > > and the GOP was caught making big mistakes
> (as
> > > they always do)
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/us/report-places
>
> >
> > >
> >
> -blame-in-operation-fast-and-furious.html?pagewant
>
> >
> > > ed=all
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://wtvr.com/2012/09/19/fast-and-furious-report
>
> >
> > > -preview/
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/19/nation/la-
>
> >
> > > na-fast-furious-20120920
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sou
>
> >
> > >
> >
> rce=web&cd=4&ved=0CDYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fo
>
> >
> > >
> >
> xnews.com%2Fpolitics%2F2012%2F07%2F30%2Frepublican
>
> >
> > >
> >
> s-to-issue-report-blaming-five-atf-employees-for-f
>
> >
> > >
> >
> ast-and-furious%2F&ei=j1uQUOmgJIyt0AHR4YHYAg&usg=A
>
> >
> > >
> >
> FQjCNHJh3_qsZ0C_o7ROZRFWNNLa_Y1ug&sig2=Sc0hJSDVW5w
>
> >
> > > lIIQPtg3otQ
> >
> >
> > They didn't dummy.
> >
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/29/issa-gr
>
> >
> assley-report-links-fast-furious-to-widespread-jus
>
> > tice-dept-failures/
> >
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/30/mexican-na
>
> >
> tional-to-change-plea-in-death-border-patrol-agent
>
> > -tied-to-furious/
> >
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/16/justice
>
> >
> -department-seeks-dismissal-fast-and-furious-lawsu
>
> > it/
> >
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/11/atf-whi
>
> >
> stle-blower-fired-claims-furious-complaints-played
>
> > -role/
> >
> > Among others.
> >
> >
> > And the House Oversight Committee just released
> > the second of its reports yesterday.
> >
> >
> http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012
>
> >
> /10/10-29-12-Fast-and-Furious-The-Anatomy-of-a-Fai
>
> > led-Operation-Part-II-of-III-Report.pdf
> >
> >
> > Just because they don't tell you about such
> things
> > on MSNBC doesn't mean that they aren't
> happening.
>
>
> None of what you just posted has anything showing
> how DoJ or the Obama administration HAD ANYTHING
> to do with the gun running you fucking lying
> douche who is trying to help lie to american
> people. You will do anything so your side will
> win, including FUCKING LYING and that is the kind
> of shit that sent this country down the shitter in
> the 2000s, but you dont care because you are some
> asshole who couldnt give a fuck what kind of
> country is left after your selfish me me
> generation is gone.
>
> Cunt
>
> Go ahead, retort you fucking tool and I hope a
> fuckin cigarette truck runs over your nads and
> your neck.



Typical Libtard response when they get their ass handed to them with facts. lmao

You're too stupid to even understand who was involved.

Read and weep shit for brains.

http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/2012/s1209.pdf

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: nobama ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:40PM

Can u say 0wned?!

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: More to come ()
Date: October 31, 2012 09:03AM

nobama Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Can u say 0wned?!


No just had to read the entire document, unlike you. Get ready for the butt hurt, adding the excerpts so that people know just how ignorant and incorrect you are. In case you can't read all those words below, that says that the Arizona office essentially did not go through the proper channels to alert the federal level. Fucking tool.

4. Department Leadership
a. Attorney General Holder
We determined that Attorney General Holder did not learn about
Operation Fast and Furious until late January or early February 2011 and was
not aware of allegations of “gun walking” in the investigation until February.
We found no evidence that Department or ATF staff informed the Attorney
General about Operation Wide Receiver or Operation Fast and Furious prior to
2011. We concluded that the Attorney General’s Deputy Chief of Staff, the
Acting Deputy Attorney General, and the leadership of the Criminal Division
failed to alert the Attorney General to significant information about or flaws in
those investigations.
Although the Office of the Attorney General received various weekly
reports from components in the Department that mentioned Operation Fast
and Furious, we found that Attorney General Holder did not personally review
these reports at the time that his office received them and that his staff did not
highlight them for his review. Moreover, we determined that these reports did
not refer to agents’ failure to interdict firearms or include information that
otherwise provided notice of the improper strategy and tactics that ATF agents
were using in the investigation. Although the National Drug Intelligence Center
reports (NDIC) referred to 1,500 firearms that Celis-Acosta and straw
purchasers had trafficked to Mexican drug cartels, the reports did not state or
suggest that ATF had advance knowledge of the firearms purchases or
otherwise knowingly allowed the guns to cross the border.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Arizonas side of it ()
Date: October 31, 2012 09:05AM

Again let me paraphrase for your moronic little dinosaur brain. The Arizona department simply did not have enough oversight of its own agents, and the information they knew they either forgot to pass on in the chain of command or purposefully kept hidden from federal office.

What was that that you were saying how this was a failure on Obama's administration? To me it sounds like a bunch of good ole boys doing things "their way" with the god given powers of "states rights". Right fuck face?



2. United States Attorney’s Office for the District of
Arizona

We concluded that the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Arizona
shared equal responsibility for the conduct of Operations Wide Receiver and
Fast and Furious. As noted earlier with respect to the agents involved with the
cases, we found no evidence that the prosecutors had improper motives or were
trying to accomplish anything other than dismantling a dangerous firearms
trafficking organization. However, as summarized below, we concluded that
the conduct and supervision of the investigations was significantly flawed.
a. Tucson Office
We found that the participation of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Operation
Wide Receiver was fragmented and ineffective. Attorneys and supervisors in
the Tucson U.S Attorney’s Office did not afford Operation Wide Receiver the
attention that a proactive, complex firearms trafficking investigation warranted,
and therefore missed opportunities to minimize the threat to public safety
posed by the investigation. As discussed in Chapter Three, Jennifer
Maldonado, the AUSA assigned to Operation Wide Receiver during the
investigative phase of the case, lacked experience handling proactive cases, had
a narrow view of her responsibilities as the assigned prosecutor, and had little
involvement in or knowledge of the day-to-day activities in the investigation.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Like I said ()
Date: October 31, 2012 09:07AM

You are the worst kind of human being because you would literally lie to the American people so that you can win an election? And for what. Your candidate basically fucking agrees on the same shit on national security as my candidate. The only differences? A bunch of tax cuts for rich people.

The koch brothers must really fucking want this election so bad that they would spread such hateful bullshit, and you are just a fucking pawn or willing participant in their trek to hell

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Ich Bin Springfielder ()
Date: October 31, 2012 11:03AM

Like I said Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You are the worst kind of human being because you
> would literally lie to the American people so that
> you can win an election? And for what. Your
> candidate basically fucking agrees on the same
> shit on national security as my candidate. The
> only differences? A bunch of tax cuts for rich
> people.
>
> The koch brothers must really fucking want this
> election so bad that they would spread such
> hateful bullshit, and you are just a fucking pawn
> or willing participant in their trek to hell

What you don't realize is that Romney is a born liar, and he always will be. The GOP wants him to say whatever he needs to get elected (recent example the Jeep plant moving to China ads). This is election is a big deal because many of our Supreme Court Judges are getting old and whoever's in office this term might get to carve out a new majority in the Court. And like you said, the Koch Bros and their whores are flipping out at the thought of having to give a little more tax money to keep this country running. But Reagan did that and they didn't collectively shit their pants, so it must mainly be about having control of the Supreme Court.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: URA Moron ()
Date: October 31, 2012 12:17PM

Arizonas side of it Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Again let me paraphrase for your moronic little
> dinosaur brain. The Arizona department simply did
> not have enough oversight of its own agents, and
> the information they knew they either forgot to
> pass on in the chain of command or purposefully
> kept hidden from federal office.
>
> What was that that you were saying how this was a
> failure on Obama's administration? To me it sounds
> like a bunch of good ole boys doing things "their
> way" with the god given powers of "states rights".
> Right fuck face?
>
>
>
> 2. United States Attorney’s Office for
> the District of
> Arizona

> We concluded that the U.S. Attorney’s Office for
> the District of Arizona
> shared equal responsibility for the conduct of
> Operations Wide Receiver and
> Fast and Furious. As noted earlier with respect
> to the agents involved with the
> cases, we found no evidence that the prosecutors
> had improper motives or were
> trying to accomplish anything other than
> dismantling a dangerous firearms
> trafficking organization. However, as summarized
> below, we concluded that
> the conduct and supervision of the investigations
> was significantly flawed.
> a. Tucson Office
> We found that the participation of the U.S.
> Attorney’s Office in Operation
> Wide Receiver was fragmented and ineffective.
> Attorneys and supervisors in
> the Tucson U.S Attorney’s Office did not afford
> Operation Wide Receiver the
> attention that a proactive, complex firearms
> trafficking investigation warranted,
> and therefore missed opportunities to minimize the
> threat to public safety
> posed by the investigation. As discussed in
> Chapter Three, Jennifer
> Maldonado, the AUSA assigned to Operation Wide
> Receiver during the
> investigative phase of the case, lacked experience
> handling proactive cases, had
> a narrow view of her responsibilities as the
> assigned prosecutor, and had little
> involvement in or knowledge of the day-to-day
> activities in the investigation.


You do realize that the US Attorney's Office in Phoenix is the DOJ right? lol As is the ATF. Both of which are FEDERAL agencies under the supervision of the DOJ. Which is run by the administration and its political appointees.

Why don't you post the list of individuals cited for disciplinary action. And the list of individuals who were forced to resign or "retire" as a result of their involvement.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: You are a fucking idiot ()
Date: October 31, 2012 12:21PM

And you do realize that there is a difference between a state operation and federal right? And the fact that the state office reports first to the state administration right?

Fuckin tool. the facts are right there and you still refuse to admit it. If this was the federal office running things then yes, but because the state of arizona all but hid it from federals then no.

You are grasping

The people who resigned, which is in that link, are all state officials in Arizona. Not a single fault has been found with anyone in the federal office because they were left out of the loop by a gungo-ho administration in Arizona.

Get it fuck face?

Tell me again how this is Holder's fault and Obama led to their death? Please your half brained twat, please tell me how your little infant brain draws that connection.

State rights? Isnt that something the Republitards support? Hmmmmmmm

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: URA Moron ()
Date: October 31, 2012 01:26PM

You are a fucking idiot Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And you do realize that there is a difference
> between a state operation and federal right? And
> the fact that the state office reports first to
> the state administration right?
>
> Fuckin tool. the facts are right there and you
> still refuse to admit it. If this was the federal
> office running things then yes, but because the
> state of arizona all but hid it from federals then
> no.
>
> You are grasping
>
> The people who resigned, which is in that link,
> are all state officials in Arizona. Not a single
> fault has been found with anyone in the federal
> office because they were left out of the loop by a
> gungo-ho administration in Arizona.
>
> Get it fuck face?
>
> Tell me again how this is Holder's fault and Obama
> led to their death? Please your half brained twat,
> please tell me how your little infant brain draws
> that connection.
>
> State rights? Isnt that something the Republitards
> support? Hmmmmmmm


Well, now you're just embarrassing yourself. You've demonstrated clearly that you have absolutely no fucking clue.

No, they do not report to the state. They are Federal entities which are completely separate and correspond to various regions of Federal authority in the US. In the same way that the FBI regional offices are separate from local law enforcement. As is the the Federal court system, EPA regional offices, Federal parks, ets., etc.

In the case of the U.S. Attorneys:

"United States Attorneys' Mission Statement

The United States Attorneys serve as the nation's principal litigators under the direction of the Attorney General. There are 93 United States Attorneys stationed throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and the Northern Mariana Islands. United States Attorneys are appointed by, and serve at the discretion of, the President of the United States, with the advice and consent of the United States Senate. One United States Attorney is assigned to each of the 94 judicial districts, with the exception of Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands where a single United States Attorney serves in both districts. Each United States Attorney is the chief federal law enforcement officer of the United States within his or her particular jurisdiction.

United States Attorneys conduct most of the trial work in which the United States is a party. The United States Attorneys have three statutory responsibilities under Title 28, Section 547 of the United States Code:

- the prosecution of criminal cases brought by the Federal Government;
- the prosecution and defense of civil cases in which the United States is a party; and
- the collection of debts owed the Federal Government which are administratively uncollectible."

http://www.justice.gov/usao/about/mission.html

Same with the ATF.

There is not a single person named in the report who is not a Federal official. The DOJ IG has no investigative interest or authority over anyone other than DOJ agencies and officials.

Stop now. You're just making it worse. lol

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Cordoba House ()
Date: October 31, 2012 01:54PM

Why didnt fox report it? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How come Fox News stopped demanding answers on
> this fake story, and then went straight to
> Benghazi? Oh right because they were full of shit
> and the GOP was caught making big mistakes (as
> they always do)
>


They always pump up some huge controversy over something, then once it no longer garners much attention, they move on. Sometimes the money behind the people making all the noise runs out.

Take Park51, or Cordoba House, or "the 9/11 mosque". Whoever was paying Frank Gaffney and his cohort must have run out of money. Either that, or Prince Alwaleed bin Talal told Roger Ailes to stop slamming one of his projects. We never hear anything about that anymore.

Pump up the base with the daily 2 minutes hate, then move onto something else.

The more controversies they can create, the more unhinged people they can get worked up about Obama.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: retort ()
Date: October 31, 2012 02:08PM

The report found that Holder was not informed of the controversial ATF operation until 2011, after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed. In a written statement on the findings, Holder said the inspector-general's report upholds "what I, and other Justice Department officials, have said for many months now" -- that the tactics used pre-dated the Obama administration and that Justice Department leaders didn't try to hide the facts from lawmakers.

"It is unfortunate that some were so quick to make baseless accusations before they possessed the facts about these operations -- accusations that turned out to be without foundation and that have caused a great deal of unnecessary harm and confusion," Holder said. "I hope today's report acts as a reminder of the dangers of adopting as fact unsubstantiated conclusions before an investigation of the circumstances is completed."

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Bill Hayes ()
Date: October 31, 2012 02:10PM

Never trust an African American.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Corintian Leather ()
Date: October 31, 2012 02:14PM

Cordoba House Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why didnt fox report it? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How come Fox News stopped demanding answers on
> > this fake story, and then went straight to
> > Benghazi? Oh right because they were full of
> shit
> > and the GOP was caught making big mistakes (as
> > they always do)
> >
>
>
> They always pump up some huge controversy over
> something, then once it no longer garners much
> attention, they move on. Sometimes the money
> behind the people making all the noise runs out.
>
>
> Take Park51, or Cordoba House, or "the 9/11
> mosque". Whoever was paying Frank Gaffney and his
> cohort must have run out of money. Either that,
> or Prince Alwaleed bin Talal told Roger Ailes to
> stop slamming one of his projects. We never hear
> anything about that anymore.
>
> Pump up the base with the daily 2 minutes hate,
> then move onto something else.
>
> The more controversies they can create, the more
> unhinged people they can get worked up about
> Obama.


Ummm, it was approved. What do you want them to do? Burn it down?

And why don't you enlighten us regarding the origin and history of the Cordoba naming for the initiative.

As, I assume, an American, you may not appreciate the symbolism. As a person of Turkish heritage, I do. I hate to break it to you but it's an inside joke that you don't get. They were taunting you and, at least most of you, don't even know it.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Wiki ()
Date: October 31, 2012 02:16PM

Corintian Leather Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cordoba House Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why didnt fox report it? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > How come Fox News stopped demanding answers
> on
> > > this fake story, and then went straight to
> > > Benghazi? Oh right because they were full of
> > shit
> > > and the GOP was caught making big mistakes
> (as
> > > they always do)
> > >
> >
> >
> > They always pump up some huge controversy over
> > something, then once it no longer garners much
> > attention, they move on. Sometimes the money
> > behind the people making all the noise runs out.
>
> >
> >
> > Take Park51, or Cordoba House, or "the 9/11
> > mosque". Whoever was paying Frank Gaffney and
> his
> > cohort must have run out of money. Either
> that,
> > or Prince Alwaleed bin Talal told Roger Ailes
> to
> > stop slamming one of his projects. We never
> hear
> > anything about that anymore.
> >
> > Pump up the base with the daily 2 minutes hate,
> > then move onto something else.
> >
> > The more controversies they can create, the
> more
> > unhinged people they can get worked up about
> > Obama.
>
>
> Ummm, it was approved. What do you want them to
> do? Burn it down?
>
> And why don't you enlighten us regarding the
> origin and history of the Cordoba naming for the
> initiative.
>
> As, I assume, an American, you may not appreciate
> the symbolism. As a person of Turkish heritage, I
> do. I hate to break it to you but it's an inside
> joke that you don't get. They were taunting you
> and, at least most of you, don't even know it.

The project was originally called Cordoba House, then renamed Park51, in reference to the street address on Park Place. Later, the Imam leading the project introduced some ambiguity by again referring to the project as "Cordoba House".[44] The Park51 website then clarified that Park51 is the community center, while Cordoba House is the "interfaith and religious component of the center".[45][46][47][44][48]
Cordoba Initiative said the name "Cordoba House" was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, which they called a model of peaceful coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and Jews.[22][33][33] According to The Economist, the name was chosen because Muslims, Jews and Christians created a center of learning in Córdoba together.[22] The name was criticized; for example, Newt Gingrich said that it was "a deliberately insulting term" which symbolizes the Muslim conquerors' victory over Christian Spaniards, and noted that the Muslims had converted a Cordoba church into the third largest mosque in the world.[36][49] Similarly, Raymond Ibrahim, a former associate director of the Middle East Forum, said the project and name were not "a gesture of peace and interfaith dialogue" but were "allusive of Islamic conquest and consolidation" and that Americans should realize that mosques are not "Muslim counterparts to Christian churches" but rather, "are symbols of domination and centers of radicalization". The opposition to Park51 believes that Islam builds mosques on "conquered territory" as symbols of "victory" and "conquest".[50]
Park51 is often referred to as the "Ground Zero mosque".[51][52] Since it is neither located directly on the former World Trade Center site, Ground Zero, nor primarily a mosque, some news media have advised against the use of this term. The Associated Press suggested several alternate terms including "mosque 2 blocks from WTC site", "Muslim (or Islamic) center near WTC site", "mosque near ground zero", and "mosque near WTC site".[53] Cordoba Initiative says the building is not strictly a mosque.[54] Anushay Hossain in The Huffington Post criticises the use of the name Ground Zero mosque, and says it is "Not a mosque but an Islamic Community Center".[55] Jean Marbella in The Baltimore Sun says the building is closer to a YMCA center than a house of worship.[52]

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Doesnt prove anything ()
Date: October 31, 2012 02:18PM

Wiki Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Corintian Leather Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cordoba House Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Why didnt fox report it? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > How come Fox News stopped demanding answers
> > on
> > > > this fake story, and then went straight to
> > > > Benghazi? Oh right because they were full
> of
> > > shit
> > > > and the GOP was caught making big mistakes
> > (as
> > > > they always do)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They always pump up some huge controversy
> over
> > > something, then once it no longer garners
> much
> > > attention, they move on. Sometimes the money
> > > behind the people making all the noise runs
> out.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Take Park51, or Cordoba House, or "the 9/11
> > > mosque". Whoever was paying Frank Gaffney
> and
> > his
> > > cohort must have run out of money. Either
> > that,
> > > or Prince Alwaleed bin Talal told Roger Ailes
> > to
> > > stop slamming one of his projects. We never
> > hear
> > > anything about that anymore.
> > >
> > > Pump up the base with the daily 2 minutes
> hate,
> > > then move onto something else.
> > >
> > > The more controversies they can create, the
> > more
> > > unhinged people they can get worked up about
> > > Obama.
> >
> >
> > Ummm, it was approved. What do you want them
> to
> > do? Burn it down?
> >
> > And why don't you enlighten us regarding the
> > origin and history of the Cordoba naming for
> the
> > initiative.
> >
> > As, I assume, an American, you may not
> appreciate
> > the symbolism. As a person of Turkish heritage,
> I
> > do. I hate to break it to you but it's an
> inside
> > joke that you don't get. They were taunting
> you
> > and, at least most of you, don't even know it.
>
> The project was originally called Cordoba House,
> then renamed Park51, in reference to the street
> address on Park Place. Later, the Imam leading the
> project introduced some ambiguity by again
> referring to the project as "Cordoba House".[44]
> The Park51 website then clarified that Park51 is
> the community center, while Cordoba House is the
> "interfaith and religious component of the
> center".[45][46][47][44][48]
> Cordoba Initiative said the name "Cordoba House"
> was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba,
> Spain, which they called a model of peaceful
> coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and
> Jews.[22][33][33] According to The Economist, the
> name was chosen because Muslims, Jews and
> Christians created a center of learning in
> Córdoba together.[22] The name was criticized;
> for example, Newt Gingrich said that it was "a
> deliberately insulting term" which symbolizes the
> Muslim conquerors' victory over Christian
> Spaniards, and noted that the Muslims had
> converted a Cordoba church into the third largest
> mosque in the world.[36][49] Similarly, Raymond
> Ibrahim, a former associate director of the Middle
> East Forum, said the project and name were not "a
> gesture of peace and interfaith dialogue" but were
> "allusive of Islamic conquest and consolidation"
> and that Americans should realize that mosques are
> not "Muslim counterparts to Christian churches"
> but rather, "are symbols of domination and centers
> of radicalization". The opposition to Park51
> believes that Islam builds mosques on "conquered
> territory" as symbols of "victory" and
> "conquest".[50]
> Park51 is often referred to as the "Ground Zero
> mosque".[51][52] Since it is neither located
> directly on the former World Trade Center site,
> Ground Zero, nor primarily a mosque, some news
> media have advised against the use of this term.
> The Associated Press suggested several alternate
> terms including "mosque 2 blocks from WTC site",
> "Muslim (or Islamic) center near WTC site",
> "mosque near ground zero", and "mosque near WTC
> site".[53] Cordoba Initiative says the building is
> not strictly a mosque.[54] Anushay Hossain in The
> Huffington Post criticises the use of the name
> Ground Zero mosque, and says it is "Not a mosque
> but an Islamic Community Center".[55] Jean
> Marbella in The Baltimore Sun says the building is
> closer to a YMCA center than a house of
> worship.[52]

Really looks like it depends on whether you think muslims are inherently bad people or if you are like most rationale human beings that understand that the terrorist acts of 911 occurred from a radical and miniscule portion of the muslim population, smaller than the population incidence rates of mass serial killers in the US actually.

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Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: October 31, 2012 03:15PM

@Doesnt - dont bother. Klan dont listen to logic.............

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: Corintian Leather ()
Date: October 31, 2012 03:23PM

Wiki Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Corintian Leather Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cordoba House Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Why didnt fox report it? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > How come Fox News stopped demanding answers
> > on
> > > > this fake story, and then went straight to
> > > > Benghazi? Oh right because they were full
> of
> > > shit
> > > > and the GOP was caught making big mistakes
> > (as
> > > > they always do)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They always pump up some huge controversy
> over
> > > something, then once it no longer garners
> much
> > > attention, they move on. Sometimes the money
> > > behind the people making all the noise runs
> out.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Take Park51, or Cordoba House, or "the 9/11
> > > mosque". Whoever was paying Frank Gaffney
> and
> > his
> > > cohort must have run out of money. Either
> > that,
> > > or Prince Alwaleed bin Talal told Roger Ailes
> > to
> > > stop slamming one of his projects. We never
> > hear
> > > anything about that anymore.
> > >
> > > Pump up the base with the daily 2 minutes
> hate,
> > > then move onto something else.
> > >
> > > The more controversies they can create, the
> > more
> > > unhinged people they can get worked up about
> > > Obama.
> >
> >
> > Ummm, it was approved. What do you want them
> to
> > do? Burn it down?
> >
> > And why don't you enlighten us regarding the
> > origin and history of the Cordoba naming for
> the
> > initiative.
> >
> > As, I assume, an American, you may not
> appreciate
> > the symbolism. As a person of Turkish heritage,
> I
> > do. I hate to break it to you but it's an
> inside
> > joke that you don't get. They were taunting
> you
> > and, at least most of you, don't even know it.
>
> The project was originally called Cordoba House,
> then renamed Park51, in reference to the street
> address on Park Place. Later, the Imam leading the
> project introduced some ambiguity by again
> referring to the project as "Cordoba House".[44]
> The Park51 website then clarified that Park51 is
> the community center, while Cordoba House is the
> "interfaith and religious component of the
> center".[45][46][47][44][48]
> Cordoba Initiative said the name "Cordoba House"
> was meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba,
> Spain, which they called a model of peaceful
> coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and
> Jews.[22][33][33] According to The Economist, the
> name was chosen because Muslims, Jews and
> Christians created a center of learning in
> Córdoba together.[22] The name was criticized;
> for example, Newt Gingrich said that it was "a
> deliberately insulting term" which symbolizes the
> Muslim conquerors' victory over Christian
> Spaniards, and noted that the Muslims had
> converted a Cordoba church into the third largest
> mosque in the world.[36][49] Similarly, Raymond
> Ibrahim, a former associate director of the Middle
> East Forum, said the project and name were not "a
> gesture of peace and interfaith dialogue" but were
> "allusive of Islamic conquest and consolidation"
> and that Americans should realize that mosques are
> not "Muslim counterparts to Christian churches"
> but rather, "are symbols of domination and centers
> of radicalization". The opposition to Park51
> believes that Islam builds mosques on "conquered
> territory" as symbols of "victory" and
> "conquest".[50]
> Park51 is often referred to as the "Ground Zero
> mosque".[51][52] Since it is neither located
> directly on the former World Trade Center site,
> Ground Zero, nor primarily a mosque, some news
> media have advised against the use of this term.
> The Associated Press suggested several alternate
> terms including "mosque 2 blocks from WTC site",
> "Muslim (or Islamic) center near WTC site",
> "mosque near ground zero", and "mosque near WTC
> site".[53] Cordoba Initiative says the building is
> not strictly a mosque.[54] Anushay Hossain in The
> Huffington Post criticises the use of the name
> Ground Zero mosque, and says it is "Not a mosque
> but an Islamic Community Center".[55] Jean
> Marbella in The Baltimore Sun says the building is
> closer to a YMCA center than a house of
> worship.[52]


So in other words your understanding is limited to Wiki.

Basically, it's about the equivalent of Mexicans building a center in Texas called the "Alamo" as a place where people came together to work out their differences. lol Or maybe Americans building a center in Hiroshima called the "Manhatten Project."

It's not a question of believing that Muslims are good or bad as the person above posits. It's a matter of symbolism which is as or more important in Islamic culture as it is in any other. Cordoba does not imply cooperation any more than, from the Christian side, the Crusades implied cooperation. More along the lines of cooperate... or else. The standard practice at the time being to destroy existing religious sites in territory conquered and to build mosques in their place. It was the center of the Caliphate which is central to Islamic faith even among non-radical Muslims. Somewhat similar to, as a simple example, Bethlehem being significant to both fundamental Christians as well as more casual non-practicing Christians. Belief in and pursuit of the caliphate is not some element restricted to radical Islam, it is integral to the faith. The only distinction being the methods to achieve such whether imposed by force or through assimilation and conversion.

That name was not originally used publicly but rather in private fund-raising as what might be referred to as a "dog whistle." Everyone of the faith understands what it means.

Sorry that you didn't get the joke.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: nobama ()
Date: October 31, 2012 11:21PM

Bill Hayes Wrote:
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> Never trust an African American.


+100000000000000


Cant wait to send this monkey packin!


No more jeremiah wright or jay z in the white house
No more free rides for all the lazy fucks who love obamas handouts!

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: native 1962 ()
Date: November 02, 2012 10:05AM

YellowDog Wrote:
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> native 1962 Wrote:
>
>
> > Obama is a LIAR. Your persident allowed four
> > Amercians to be raped and murdered. He and
> Hiliary
> > lie to you calling this action a result of a
> > movie. Are you not insulted by this? So when
> you
> > pull the lever Tuesday ...please think about
> the
> > parents and loved ones of these brave
> amercians,
> >
> > Father of Slain Benghazi SEAL to Obama:
> “It’s
> > Better to Die a Hero Than Live a Coward”
> > (Video)
> >
> >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I8cgUfdSgw&feature
>
> > =player_embedded
>
>
> Well, yea, perhaps, but it's not like they
> mattered, according to you. After all, they were
> only "amercians" -- whatever that is.
>
> I know that it dampens your fun and all, but the
> two gentlemen were FORMER Navy Seals and in the
> employ of the CIA. This wasn't a military
> action.
>
> Do you still get paid by the RNC for posting this
> when you come off as an illiterate buffoon? That
> DOES damage the brand!


You are pathetic. Really the op made a typo and your so stupid (like obama) that is all you can come back with. It is sad that your too dumb and delusional to understand obama let the AMRECAINS die because he is a muslum. There is so much more to the story you don't know. Like obama's gun running that was going in Benghazi.
Your persident should be tried for treason along with Hilliary and all involved.
When Romney is installed as the next president of the United States of Amercia obama and the rest will be looking at life in pirson. Ya really... Bias main stream media won't cover this because it is so big.

YELLOW DOG is a great name for this ahole!!!!!! Yellow because you are a coward and a whimp and dog because you like to sniff aholes.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: barry usa ()
Date: November 02, 2012 10:11AM

Obama is not a coward, he just doesnt care. There is a difference. He knows the media has his back so no matter how bad a job he does there is no down side as it will never be reported. He is enjoying his life with all the expense paid trips, golfing, dancing, tv shows and singing. He isnt about to let some pesky little thing like the killing of our ambassador ruin his day.

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: November 03, 2012 03:29AM

Although I've never been a fan of President Obama and his administration, I didn't really think of him as a purely incompetent lunatic until now. The actions of Benghazi are it, there is nothing else that can make up for nor excuse what occurred regarding the allowed slaughter of our fellow Americans. I can understand and accept mistakes, they happen, but knowing what was happening, being able to interdict, and yet not doing anything about it? That is treason.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

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Re: obama offended! Is he a coward? Will he come clean?
Posted by: rob ()
Date: November 03, 2012 03:47AM

what irks me the most, is the fact a shitload of republicans just somehow forgot how much bush jr fucked this nation up. its like nothing happened, and blame obama. when you're down by 49, and cut the loss to 21 points, its not good enough.

im bipartisan, but fuck i hate both party idiots. romney isnt the answer and i dont think the republicans even have an answer, aside from the bat shit insane extreme right wing.

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