On Page 126 You have been informed now three times that they are copyrighted material twice on page 126 and this message here on page 127

As owner of this web site . Remove them

Andy Ratlips Wrote:
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> Any of you folks that went to West Springfield or
> Lake Braddock might remember the Burke 7-11. Image
> courtesy of Brooke Lyle. I am guessing late 70s
> early 80s??

Where was the Burke 7-11? Is it in the same spot as the current 7-11 near the post office and Taco Bell?

Cary Remove The Two 1862 Maps Wrote:
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> On Page 126 You have been informed now three times
> that they are copyrighted material twice on page
> 126 and this message here on page 127
>
> As owner of this web site . Remove them


No

OR Tell us why you will continue to infringe on the copyright mark on the maps by not removing them , you just removed suspicious porn on that same 126 page.

If you feel the 1862 maps in question on page 126 are legally posted here for educational historical or other purposes state that as the owner of this site as an edited comment by you as you have customarily done in the past

Cary Remove The 1862 Maps Wrote:
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> OR Tell us why you will continue to infringe on
> the copyright mark on the maps by not removing
> them , you just removed suspicious porn on that
> same 126 page.
>
> If you feel the 1862 maps in question on page 126
> are legally posted here for educational historical
> or other purposes state that as the owner of this
> site as an edited comment by you as you have
> customarily done in the past



Kill yourself. You will then never have to worry about those 1862 maps.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Northern_Virginia_campaign

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ATLAS_OR_NORTHEASTERN_VIRGINIA_MAP_1.jpg

I asked 4 times to have the 1862 maps removed , personally I feel that the "Old pictures of Fairfax county, love em! " has content that is mostly historic and educational for future scholars to study with possible exception to some comments and pictures some persons would call inappropriate that mock political parties history in the United States or people who are public figures or are of pornographic description. I also feel the entire thread and this entire site is of historic and educational significance for future study of the feelings and speech of the American people on a vast number of topics in years to come

The 1862 maps are unquestionably historic and educational , they were also US Government produced maps , but that does not mean that the copyright can be infringed upon , or is the copyright not being infringed upon as legal free use, a question Cary Wiedemann the owner of this site must answer to the affirmative that there is not copyright infringement or remove the two 1862 maps on page 126. One further question is how did the copyright upon the maps be granted to what are apparently US Government maps that may have been classified United States information showing Union Fort positions defending Washington DC when they were printed in 1862 , and why is the actual copyright so extremely small it is not apparent to the observer . In any event Fairfax Underground is not an income producing site or a commercial site with paid advertisments, owner Cary Wiedemann operates the site with his personal financing . That is what I understand to the best of my knowledge.

>Maps, maps and more maps ()

Exactly ! Which begs the question of how a copyright was issued , but it is there on the 1862 maps which do appear to be US maps in the public domain

Thanks for those maps BTW , why did you not put them up last week ?? lol

From the "maps maps maps " post It covers more area out to Middleburg and Snickersville and New Baltimore with extreme detail on the + setting, after a couple of seconds you can plainly make out the elevation details and all other features much better and clearer then the page 126 maps plus everything is the same as far as I can see including the US Govt information and also some historical details on the far left corner area

Now where's Wikis copyright. Im not down loading squat

Great historic and educational find "Maps"

Basically, STFU AH!

Most people on this site will have no issue understanding the meaning of the six letters. I would guess that you might though.

Stop whining about the issue of copyright. Nobody really cares what you think about it or that you requested 4 times (or a thousand) to have it removed. This is not your site and just because you think something should happen will not make it so. Get over yourself.

I find the content of this particular thread "Old pictures of Fairfax county, love em!" to be very interesting. Having spent my entire life in NOVA, it is great to see so many comments, pictures and information about Fairfax and the region. Even when the information is slightly off, it is still worth viewing.

Based upon the OP's willingness to let things go which he does not approve of, and cries like a baby when he doesn't get his way, I would ignore any of his ideology and posts going forward.

so again STFU AH!

Not knowing they were copyright protected as they are US Govt maps so OP has a interest in asking them to be removed , its not the same issue as you are saying Op has not said jack about other pics here to be removed unless they are porn , child porn must be removed asap or any thing that looks like it at once

Besides the current Wiki map posted here is a lot better then the ones OP posted

So Cary for the 5th time remove the page 126 1862 maps unless you post they may stay legally under US copyright law

OP Posted the Maps Wrote:


> So Cary for the 5th time remove the page 126 1862
> maps unless you post they may stay legally under
> US copyright law

Spray some of this on your computer screen, and it will remove any maps that bother you.
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Here's more information about the remains of the Manassas Gap railroad in Fairfax County

https://parkrxamerica.org/m/3579/manassas-gap-railroad-historic-site

OH HELL !


April 16th 2020

Cary get your janitors broom out and remove the two 1862 maps on page 126 on this thread that were uploaded here my mistake to prevent any copyright infringement issues

Sincerly

"Map Ass"
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Seriously Cary

I don't want to have to give up my 400 dollar stimulus check my 110 dollar tax refund and all the toilet paper I have hoarded and become homeless , neither do you ! Remove the 1862 maps on page 126 of this thread

Just stop with this nonsense.

You're fucking up one of the only reasonably decent threads on this sewer of a site.

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>Where was the Burke 7-11? Is it in the same spot as the current 7-11 near the post office and Taco Bell?

It was on the same side of the road as the new firehouse right across the street which you can see ends , heading toward the Silas Burke house to the south. It was just about where the new post office sits, a bit closer to the fire station. Across the street to the north was a flat field then the railroad tracks , to the left was the railroad crossing in that cut of part of the shopping center which got cut off when they redid the roads , the crossing can still be seen with Bells Pond to the left what's left of it a swamp now. To the right of the store it went up Burke Road to the sharp curve to the left To the front of the store the road crossed the railroad tracks with crossing signals and arms and headed up to Braddock Road past Kings Park center some where in the mess were "weed" plants that long haired youth experimented growing as "farmers"

Can you see what Im sayin

>maps............ ()

As the guilty parties, maybe I can keep some of those checks and half of my toilet paper, you'll have to cough up the rest for your upload part, Cary will have to give up all of his for not removing the 1892 maps on page 126 .

"Map Ass" What the hell being free of all bills and cares, living on welfare may not be so bad , if only I liked to smoke weed ..

According to Wiki the exact same US Govt map they post as the one just posted by maps..... and on page 126 is in the Public Domain as they were made before 1925 so how come there is a copyright on them in 2011

Public Domain Issue Wrote:
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> According to Wiki the exact same US Govt map they
> post as the one just posted by maps..... and on
> page 126 is in the Public Domain as they were made
> before 1925 so how come there is a copyright on
> them in 2011


Somebody touched them up a little bit and filed a copyright on them. They sell for like $40 online. If you ask me that is bullshit. The government did all the hard work in creating the original maps. Just because someone cleaned them up a little doesn't mean they own them. Fuck the copyright holder.

Uncle Sam paid for them in the first place now you can pay for them again for a bit of green and brown ink

Are there any scholars here , Im one , has any one been educated by the maps I have , is Fairfax Underground a commercial site , NO . Is anyone making any money off these maps posted on Fairfax Underground , not here but since the maps can be downloaded elsewhere and are not protected from downloading , Who Knows

Please stop feeding the monster

One cool thing about this map is that the Union Army got it wrong--the map shows the W&OD railroad heading north from Leesburg, when in fact it went west through Purcellville to Snickers Gap.

Back to some Friday throwbacks from SH collection.....
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Glen Echo 1928
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Were invented ! Speaking of lawyers does Shorpy hold the copyright on that pic

Have you removed those pics on page 126 of the 1862 maps Cary ??

Arlington Shopping center on Arlington blvd. Date unknown.
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Andy Ratlips Wrote:
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> Arlington Shopping center on Arlington blvd. Date
> unknown.


Great pic! I am going to guess about 1980.

Check out the Pinto in front of the 7-11, The IH Budweiser truck, VW Bus, and the Fotomat

Old Iron Wrote:
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> Andy Ratlips Wrote:
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> > Arlington Shopping center on Arlington blvd.
> Date
> > unknown.
>
>
> Great pic! I am going to guess about 1980.
>
> Check out the Pinto in front of the 7-11, The IH
> Budweiser truck, VW Bus, and the Fotomat

Yeah, good stuff. Note the LG potato chip truck. I had forgotten all about LG potato chips.
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The following statement below the underline is my personal view of fairfaxunderground.com as the poster of the 1862 maps on page 162 which I uploaded to provide only historical and educational information upon the thread "Old pictures of Fairfax county, love em!" and not for the maps to be used for any other purpose . My statement is not a statement from the owner of the site Cary Wiedemann or his legal counsel . My statement does not represent any legal opinion . I am not a member of any state bar association. I am not licensed to practice law in Virginia or any other US state nor am I a student of law in any capacity.

For any legal opinion of the content or posts upon this site or questions about US copyright laws or those of other nations the viewer must consult with a licensed attorney
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It appears to this poster that fairfaxunderground.com is a free use site under US copyright law as the owner Cary Wiedemann operates the site with his personal funds, the owner makes no requests upon this site for financial assistance to operate the site nor does the site have any type of advertisements of items for sale in the owners programming of the webpage. The site is not a commercial use site from my view.

In my opinion the owners vision of the web sites content and its future is to provide a historically correct view of primarily the American people during the time period the site exists for educational research by scholars or historians of the future not to produce a commercial product for sale.

The site is available world wide upon the internet with no restriction by the owner thus people from any nation whom can post upon the site do so from time to time however the main subject matter revolves around the people of Northern Virginia a diverse people of born or naturalized United States citizens and immigrants to the United States of many nations during the time of the creation and existence of the site .

The content of fairfaxunderground.com may be seen as raw savage vulgar humorous racist or newsworthy scholarly historic and educational to those whom view the site. It is a complied creation of the American people exercising their constitutional rights within the US Constitutions 1st amendment that protects free speech one of the people of the United States basic civil rights within the ten original rights contained in the Bill Of Rights which was fully ratified by the US Congress on Dec 15th 1791

Pornography posted of underage youths or possible underage youth or other illegal pornography that are illegally posted by the posters who violate state and federal laws uploading them to the site are removed quickly by the owner as well as posts that are required to be removed by legal proceedings served upon the owner or law enforcement

This is my final statement on the subject , the "Monster" no longer requires feeding

Andy Ratlips Wrote:
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> Arlington Shopping center on Arlington blvd. Date
> unknown.


I think there use to be an A&P store there.

Time Warp Along Telegraph Goes from Revolutionary Sites to Civil War

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2020/apr/16/time-warp-along-telegraph-goes-revolutionary-sites/

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/photos/2020/apr/16/148221/

{snip}


Civil War Rages On

As Telegraph Road leads toward the City of Alexandria, it passes Rose Hill, where Mosby’s Raiders went to the Rose Hill mansion on Sept. 28, 1863, and captured Col. Dulaney, a Union officer as he was sleeping. This occurred in the Rose Hill mansion which was on the hill overlooking Greendale Golf Course and Telegraph Road. One of the raiders was French Dulaney, the son of Col. Dulaney who fought for opposite sides. This story is on a Civil War Trails marker on Rose Hill Drive.

Close to the northern end of Telegraph Road, near present day Jefferson Manor Park, was Fort Lyon, one of the Union forts that was put in place to defend Washington, D.C. This fort was built in 1861 after the Union defeat at Bull Run, near the present-day location of Mount Eagle school in an area known as Ballenger’s Hill. Since it was on the highest point around, the fort overlooked Telegraph Road, the Columbia Turnpike, the Orange and Alexandria Railroad, and the Little River Turnpike.

On June 9, 1863, there was a huge explosion in the battery of the fort which killed 25 soldiers and could be heard from miles around. In the wake of the explosion, Fort Lyon, and Alexandria were visited by many military and civilian dignitaries, including Secretary of War Edwin Stanton and President Abraham Lincoln, according to a "Voices from the Past." By Lewis Bissel, dated June 17, 1863.

Speaking of maps this ones from the Library of Congress which states it has no copyright as it was also published before 1922 . The City of Washington DC and environs click on it and see it enlarge in detail

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3851s.cw0674000/?r=-0.383,0.034,1.657,1.018,0

Click suckers then BOOM the flash bangs go off as dynamic entry is made with full auto suppressed weapons and gas is rolled in , "7 burners in fire showing" goes out over the radio, plastic zip ties and the black federal car wait lol

If they cant take a joke Im F....

It protected I checked, you can roll the scroll mouse wheel and it gets larger or smaller verrrry interesting Herr Map Ass you monster

Is your place of "residence" about 1/2 mile northwest of Ft Snyder at the Insane Asylum

Im moving in tonight because of those two dammed 1862 maps that Cary wont remove

Now leave me to grieve

Man...I don't want to mess up this thread like so many others are all screwed up here, but I need to know what happened with this map thing!

It appears to me, that a guy posted some maps, and then got all nervous about it thinking that the copyright police were going to come nail him, and so he has taken to begging the owner of FFXU to remove the maps?

Is that right?

sorry need to know Wrote:
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> Man...I don't want to mess up this thread like so
> many others are all screwed up here, but I need to
> know what happened with this map thing!
>
> It appears to me, that a guy posted some maps, and
> then got all nervous about it thinking that the
> copyright police were going to come nail him, and
> so he has taken to begging the owner of FFXU to
> remove the maps?
>
> Is that right?


That was my take on it.

Dick move or good guy ??
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Haymarket Va. Where Sheetz now stands.
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Maps, maps and more maps Wrote:
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> sorry need to know Wrote:
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> > Man...I don't want to mess up this thread like
> so
> > many others are all screwed up here, but I need
> to
> > know what happened with this map thing!
> >
> > It appears to me, that a guy posted some maps,
> and
> > then got all nervous about it thinking that the
> > copyright police were going to come nail him,
> and
> > so he has taken to begging the owner of FFXU to
> > remove the maps?
> >
> > Is that right?
>
>
> That was my take on it.


You're both wrong. Just some dick being a dick. Cary is ignoring him. Best we all do. Potential Sven spam. If he starts using large font tags all the time, it's 100% Sven.

DONT WAKE OR FEED ME IM SLEEPING

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT SLEEPING DOGS

LEAVE THEM LAY

Andy Ratlips Wrote:
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> Haymarket Va. Where Sheetz now stands.

I like the old Bill's Amoco pic. Check out the roof antennas!

Of the rear of the station so we can see the outhouse with the sign "Colored only" and "White Only" on the lunch places door . That was taken back in the day of the Democrat Byrd Machine that ran Virginia for years , they passed Jim Crow laws and enforced segregation, please show history as it really was

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> Glen Echo 1928

Glen Echo is in Maryland. In fairfax in the 1980's, if you saw so much as a bench with a sign on it, it said "donated by". Fairfax never had such a lofty fair ground. (i'm not saying glen echo did in 1928 - the picture might be a fake or authentic - but i'm not taking that one on face value - since NW of washington was, as far as you could see from highways, all farm land. i assume 1928 was the same moreso)

if we check the upper right of the photo there is QUITE THE POWER DISTRIBUTION LINES (without any trees cleared - as if they weren't important)

that would be something for farm/park land in NE maryland.

in 1928 most farms didn't have power. in 1980 some farms didn't have telephone (and a few no power either)

(when i say from the highway, NE of washington, i mean 495 and 270. i just noticed glen echo is a litle south of that north, but guess it was all trees in 1928 anyway)

Andy Ratlips Wrote:
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> Woodbridge Penguin Feather early 80s.

That's in Maryland - not Fairfax not even Virginia

Old Iron Wrote:
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> Andy Ratlips Wrote:
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> > Unconfirmed reports that this was Memco in
> Reston.
> > Can anyone tell for sure? Date unknown.
>
> Looks like the Dodge has Bicentennial plates on
> it, and a Pinto Station Wagon.
>
> Great photo!

until (lately) the DMV required you to bring in your old plate to get a new one (or pay a fee)

for that reason most people don't have their plate (OTHERWISE EVERYONE WOULD HAVE KEPT THEM)

the only ones left: mostly illegal

it's amazing they still used laptops then - i mean - where is the iphone?

that's nothing: today there are 10x as many cops and a military grade auto barracade - all to insure you pay for parking i imagine. people had it easy back then.

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> causeican Wrote:
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> > Glen Echo 1928
>
> Glen Echo is in Maryland. In fairfax in the
> 1980's, if you saw so much as a bench with a sign
> on it, it said "donated by". Fairfax never had
> such a lofty fair ground. (i'm not saying glen
> echo did in 1928 - the picture might be a fake or
> authentic - but i'm not taking that one on face
> value - since NW of washington was, as far as you
> could see from highways, all farm land. i assume
> 1928 was the same moreso)


Definitely not farmland...

"Glen Echo Park began in 1891 as a National Chautauqua Assembly "to promote liberal and practical education." By 1911, it transformed into DC's premier amusement park until it closed in 1968."

https://www.nps.gov/glec/index.htm




> if we check the upper right of the photo there is
> QUITE THE POWER DISTRIBUTION LINES (without any
> trees cleared - as if they weren't important)
>
> that would be something for farm/park land in NE
> maryland.
>
> in 1928 most farms didn't have power. in 1980
> some farms didn't have telephone (and a few no
> power either)

Power? There was a power generating/distribution plant to supply the Amusement Park and the electric trolley line that serviced the park.

https://glenecho-cabinjohn.com/CR-02.html

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> hp?2,file=401738,filename=DaddysaNavyCheif.jpg
> width=500 height=300>
>
> it's amazing they still used laptops then - i mean
> - where is the iphone?


What are you talking about? Those are not laptops. Those are mirrors and supply cases the kids sit in front of as the women do their costumes/makeup.

Can You Post A Picture Wrote:
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> Of the rear of the station so we can see the
> outhouse with the sign "Colored only" and "White
> Only" on the lunch places door . That was taken
> back in the day of the Democrat Byrd Machine that
> ran Virginia for years , they passed Jim Crow laws
> and enforced segregation, please show history as
> it really was

So a photo of the front of the building serves no historical purpose? You people are so deranged. You do realize there are people living as slaves and indentured servants right now in countries like Qatar? Why don't you do something with your life to help those that can be helped currently instead of obsessing over something none of use caused or were involved with.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/09/20/modern-slavery-is-disturbingly-common

"what the roaring 1920's though farms would be like in the future" (a rare clip from a magazine)

50% of america was urban (most of those sub-urban, we would say). only 35% of Americans HAD ELECTRICITY. there were 100,000,000 pop, and that's 24,300 acres per person!

https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/how-the-1920s-thought-electricity-would-transform-farms-510917940

needless to say, a park area miles from "the city" (which runs into NE maryland - all farm land and much of it un-developed) - it may have had power lines and plenty of money to build unheard of amuzement parks - but it's more likely the photo is not what it was advertised to be

1925
First roller coaster to reach 100 feet: Cyclone, Revere Beach, Revere, Massachusetts, United States.

https://glenecho-cabinjohn.com/GE-04.html

seeing all that - i'd be impressed if that area was all juiced up, the whole park lit, and using GE Electric motors in the 1920. it would not be either way it was or it wasn't

but the article says the park got roller costers in 1900-1906

1908: the first Electric vacuum cleaner

so either glen echo was "an unusually hopping sub-urb of DC closer to VA than DC but surrounded by farms", or something

very unusual. you start to wonder if the trains coming in from California were being robbed in that area they were so far ahead (and yet having no big businesses, like say chicago steel or auto) ! nah, just kidding.

Now that's a neat photo! The second roller coaster photo. In the middle of ..allot of deep woods in maryland - many fine auto's line up on the well built highway for a WELL LIT PARK which probably had a telephone too.

There are two very different sides of 1928.

That place looks like it could be from the 1950's (if it were in parts of the usa that were not fast in progress)

In the 1850's the Washington Aqueduct cut through the farm land by the Army Corp of Engineers in order to supply water to the city of Washington. Several quarries were dug in the area, to supply the aqueduct, producing high quality granite. In order to properly maintain the aqueduct, the Corp of Engineers maintained an excellent road from Washington all the way to Great Falls. The road ran through some of the most beautiful countryside in the region.

The development of the electric trolley opened a new era of sub-urban development by providing a fast and easy way to commute. Sub-urban development in an area like Glen Echo had been out of the question as long as a 1-1/2 hour horse drawn carriage ride was the only way into the city where all employment other than farming was centered. But with a good road, mass transit, and readily available building material (the granite) an opportunity for development was created. The late 1880's saw a few sub-urban communities in the Washington area but the Potomac Palisades now offered everything needed, it just waited for someone with a vision.

(that sounds like a development article from NYC or early england - it actually makes sense!)

(the other article goes on to say the brothers who wished to make the area "an upscale sub-urb" had contracted with Gas&Electric to bring the trolley to his land - and ended up bankrupt and selling the land to them)

AHA! So it was a dual hit of "huge government project" and "a deal with the Gas & Electric" that put a "remote suburb" on the map in 1928 (and by then, while not everyone had a car, many did. in 1901 probably not so much). It was never the center of anything but a dream to turn over unused land "into something" - as I had guessed.

(clara barton lived there - on her "we won the civil war" ... bonds, and owned ... more than just her property)

NVA had a huge number of little older homes along 50 near DC - and a small batch of them in fairfax - those were more modern and built after the (still employed part of the military) came from from vietnam - later vacated and bought by ... let's say government workers

So it appears NE of DC - even the further legs - had become areas where Civil War survivers settled. (some went all the way to WVA after the war, and such)

And the people with money after the war to resettle near DC? Well well.

so i grew up in NVA - more NW part

in early 1980s' moved to the SE part of NVA. some of my teachers were "express southerners", and many people around the town (perhaps there from farther south)

Anyway I can ASSURE millenails that "real Virginians" were SOUTHERNERS (and 1/2 of every road in Richmond was named ham, there was plenty of brick and wood)

SOUTHERN VIRGINIANS, IN 1980'S were still angry about the war and blamed the war for (their family situations - such as lack of telephone). (despite there being wars in between). and they absolutely got angry when speaking with "northerners".

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> One cool thing about this map is that the Union
> Army got it wrong--the map shows the W&OD railroad
> heading north from Leesburg, when in fact it went
> west through Purcellville to Snickers Gap.


They did not get this wrong. There are other maps from the time which show the same orientation.

When the Alexandria, Loundoun and Hampshire RR was originally being constructed before the Civil War the plan was to take the line from Leesburg through Hillsboro and through I believe Keys Gap before crossing the Shenandoah River and striking out towards the coal fields of what was then Hampshire County. At the time of the Civil War track was laid through Leesville with very little construction work done beyond Clark's Gap. After the Civil War the route was changed so that the line went through Purcelleville and Bluemont, from which point it was to cross the Blue Ridge Mountains through a tunnel at Snicker's Gap and then head directly to Winchester, the W&OD route we are familiar with today.

There are several reasons for this. The AL&H was descended from the planned Alexandria & Harpers Ferry RR which if built would probably have followed a route from Leesburg through Hillsboro to Harpers Ferry. By the time the AL&H got its act together the Manassas Gap was already talking about building a branch line from Centreville through southern Loudoun County to the Purcellville area. Then there was the need to tunnel through the mountain at Snicker's Gap, an expense which might be avoided by another route.

> AHA! So it was a dual hit of "huge government
> project" and "a deal with the Gas & Electric" that
> put a "remote suburb" on the map in 1928 (and by
> then, while not everyone had a car, many did. in
> 1901 probably not so much). It was never the
> center of anything but a dream to turn over unused
> land "into something" - as I had guessed.

I don't see how that makes it any different from many other real estate development projects going on at the same time? At the beginning of the 20th century two gentlemen go the idea of building an amusement park at Great Falls Virginia and constructing a trolley line from Georgetown to Great Falls to get people there, and on the side pick up the odd farm and subdivide it. That project lead to the Great Falls & Old Dominion RR which ultimately became the Washington & Old Dominion, and also the town of McLean. The Great Falls amusement park never rivalled Glen Echo and was abandoned. The original GF&OD right of way is now Old Dominion Drive.

Can You Post A Picture Wrote:
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> Of the rear of the station so we can see the
> outhouse with the sign "Colored only" and "White
> Only" on the lunch places door . That was taken
> back in the day of the Democrat Byrd Machine that
> ran Virginia for years , they passed Jim Crow laws
> and enforced segregation, please show history as
> it really was


If we show it as it was, then we should try to get it right. History is a bit messier than some would like.

Byrd did not get involved in Virginia politics until around 1915. Jim Crow was firmly enshrined in Virginia before that. Jim Crow generally date from the Martin era but some are even older than that. Byrd's fault was fighting to preserve Jim Crow, not creating it.

In fact segregated schools in Virginia arose during a period of non-Democratic control. The first statewide system of free primary schools in Virginia was set up after the Civil War by the Freedman's Bureau and was for educating blacks. The Virginia Constitution of 1870 created the mandate of public education in Virginia, and a proposal prohibiting segregated schools was rejected. That was done when national Republicans controlled Virginia militarily. When Virginia passed its first law implementing public schools the law provided for segregated schools. The bill was signed into law by a Republican governor. When the U.S. Supreme Court struck down segregated schools Republican Joel Broyhill signed onto the Southern Manifesto.

That was supposed to say "If we show it as it was, then we should try to get it right. History is messier than some would like."

The small brick building that was in the rear parking lot of the Fairfax Courthouse next to the jail with the little basketball area with a 10 foot fence that was there and the circuit court records

It once had a sign "colored only" as it was the blacks restroom , whites used the inside ones

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> That was supposed to say "If we show it as it was,
> then we should try to get it right. History is
> messier than some would like."


That's OK, no one reads all your bullshit anyway.

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2014/mar/12/remembering-segregation-mclean-and-vienna/

Memories of a different Fairfax County , I worked with and knew many blacks in the Vienna area back almost 50 years ago who shared stories with me they went to Louise Archer then to Luther Jackson schools when Louise Archer was the principal of the school. I also knew personally and had many interesting talks with a retired high level area official who knew WT Woodson from back to the days of the mid 50's and was a principal of schools in FCPS before ascending to the area office

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2014/mar/12/looking-back-louise-archer/

Its a shame that WT Woodson is being vilified by some who want to change the name of the school named for him because he was superintendent during segregation when in fact he supported the black schools by insuring that separate but equal meant equal to the best of his ability in that day and age and worked together with black educators as Louise Archer to give black students as good an education in Fairfax County as was possible, yes in the early 30s schools still had privy's both black and white , those were the years of the depression when school money was very tight and full on racial segregation was the rule

If you take a look at the construction of the black FCPS you will see they were built to the same standards as the white schools and not shoddy materials during his years as superintendent

Overall black schools in Fairfax county fared much better then most schools in Virginia during the years of segregation and they were known as "colored " schools a term that when combined with the schools name finds more results on the internet

Luther Jackson was a 8th to 12th grade black school as elementary schools in Virginia were grades 1-7 and high schools 8-12 until intermediate schools 7-9 were built in the late 50s on. Luther Jackson was the only black FCPS in the county blacks also went to a HS in Manassas and Wash DC riding the trains back then to DC Other black grade schools were Floris , Louise Archer, Oak Grove, Drew-Smith (Gum Springs later) , Lillian Cary and James Lee

http://gumspringsmuseum.blogspot.com/2009/05/faculty-at-drew-smith-elementary-school.html

https://patch.com/virginia/herndon/remembring-herndons-history-oak-grove-elementary-school-0

https://coateses.fcps.edu/about/history Story of Lutie Lewis Coates who a FCPS school was named for in 2009 she taught at Floris

http://100yearsblackfallschurch.org/items/browse?tags=James+E.+Lee+School WT Woodson in dedication picture when the school was opened click on picture to se enlargements

I would download and post the pics and copy of the dedication ceremony at James Lee with the names of those attending but I am a Map Monster terrified of arrest by the Mattress Police as they are copyrighted material please don't feed or disturb me as Im going back to sleep , if you do Ill be back with my bold font and some lousy comments

I heard WT Woodson lived here - 3622 Chain Bridge
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comforting words for my friend Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
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> > That was supposed to say "If we show it as it
> was,
> > then we should try to get it right. History is
> > messier than some would like."
>
>
> That's OK, no one reads all your bullshit anyway.

I love you too.

Bill N Do You Remember Wrote:
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> The small brick building that was in the rear
> parking lot of the Fairfax Courthouse next to the
> jail with the little basketball area with a 10
> foot fence that was there and the circuit court
> records
>
> It once had a sign "colored only" as it was the
> blacks restroom , whites used the inside ones

I don't remember that particular one. I am old enough though to remember when separate but equal bathrooms were not uncommon in the south.

9sdfj Wrote:
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> src=https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upl
> oad/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18pol
> zrv1944fjpg.jpg width=400 height=400>
>
> "what the roaring 1920's though farms would be
> like in the future" (a rare clip from a magazine)
>
> 50% of america was urban (most of those sub-urban,
> we would say). only 35% of Americans HAD
> ELECTRICITY. there were 100,000,000 pop, and
> that's 24,300 acres per person!
>
> https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/how-the-1920s-thou
> ght-electricity-would-transform-farms-510917940
>
> needless to say, a park area miles from "the city"
> (which runs into NE maryland - all farm land and
> much of it un-developed) - it may have had power
> lines and plenty of money to build unheard of
> amuzement parks - but it's more likely the photo
> is not what it was advertised to be
>
> 1925
> First roller coaster to reach 100 feet: Cyclone,
> Revere Beach, Revere, Massachusetts, United
> States.
>
> https://glenecho-cabinjohn.com/GE-04.html
>
> seeing all that - i'd be impressed if that area
> was all juiced up, the whole park lit, and using
> GE Electric motors in the 1920. it would not be
> either way it was or it wasn't
>
> but the article says the park got roller costers
> in 1900-1906
>
> 1908: the first Electric vacuum cleaner
>
> so either glen echo was "an unusually hopping
> sub-urb of DC closer to VA than DC but surrounded
> by farms", or something
>
> very unusual. you start to wonder if the trains
> coming in from California were being robbed in
> that area they were so far ahead (and yet having
> no big businesses, like say chicago steel or auto)
> ! nah, just kidding.


Why don't you come back when you can form coherent sentences. You are ignorant and stubborn in the face of facts that were presented to you.

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> I heard WT Woodson lived here - 3622 Chain Bridge

Yes, that's it; the corner of Chain Bridge Rd and Warwick Ave.

Yes that was WT Woodsons home on Rt 123 in Fairfax City, I heard long ago from a school principal that the house was kept in good condition outside by painting it by the schools as part of his retirement contract for his long service to Fairfax County as schools superintendent . Later Woodson and his wife moved into the Virginian Retirement home where they resided until they passed, they are buried in the Fairfax City Cemetary on RT 236 neàr former Fairfax mayor Silverthorne Sr. Where many older Fairfax City residents businessmen and leaders lie at rest

Confirmed WTW House Wrote:
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> Yes that was WT Woodsons home on Rt 123 in Fairfax
> City, I heard long ago from a school principal
> that the house was kept in good condition outside
> by painting it by the schools as part of his
> retirement contract for his long service to
> Fairfax County as schools superintendent . Later
> Woodson and his wife moved into the Virginian
> Retirement home where they resided until they
> passed, they are buried in the Fairfax City
> Cemetary on RT 236 neàr former Fairfax mayor
> Silverthorne Sr. Where many older Fairfax City
> residents businessmen and leaders lie at rest


I do not dispute what you are saying, but that is some shady shit! It sounds unethical if not illegal. Want not have the school culinary staff come by and cook his meals as well?

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58 years ago . Times have changed as said it was in his retirement contract as legal compensation that the school board approved .

Virginia state judges get to keep their courthouse chambers desk and office furniture when they retire all bought by the state with an allowence they recieve and moved at state expense to their homes or office .Generals of the Army and Navy Fleet Admirals get personal military stewards , a govt provided quarters and their full pay for life as they are never retired. Virginia state judges get two years service toward retirement for each year they serve on the bench. Presidents like Trump get lots of bennies and a free million dollar plus secret service security detail and security improvements on their homes

Burger flippers get laid off when the only business is carry out due to virus, they also get a free kick in the ass out the door when their fired and a 401k turned into a 101 k by the time they turn 65 , dishwashers get the same so it's a free country to choose your destiny

2 dozen chickens 3 hogs a free paint job on his house. WTW began as school superintendent in 1929 that when they offered him his contract

Don't sweat it. The map is seen on several commercial sites, including David Rumsey's. But it's also available in multiple scans of varying conditions on the Library of Congress.



Notice To Cary Wiedemann Wrote:
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> Owner of the internet domain
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com
>
> Cary remove the two 1862 Washington DC and
> Virginia maps on this page , I uploaded them not
> seeing any legal language as to their use with no
> intention that they may be used for any monetary
> consideration which I understand is Fairfax
> Undergrounds strict policy as there are no
> advertisements or other income producing uses on
> this web site that Cary Wiedemann the owner has
> placed here. The 1862 maps appeared to be US Govt
> maps in the public domain when I uploaded them ,
> they are not .They are copyrighted material which
> can be seen to the far right on the bottom in
> extremely small print.
>
> I request that they be removed at once from this
> Fairfax Underground page . I also made a request
> last night on this page to remove them as I stated
> they have a copyright mark.
>
> I will post a link to what I believe is the
> copyright owners source in this post. I searched
> for History of Fairfax County and other terms when
> I came across them on the internet. The site I
> uploaded from I think is old it is not the source
> in my link below to historicmapsrestored.com . I
> searched for historicmapsrestored.com for the maps
> here I posted . They are not on that site, I don't
> know where I found the 1862 maps on the internet.
> I searched but could not find them again today.
>
> www.mapsofthepast is listed as
> historicmapsrestored.com on Google who is the
> apparent copyright holder, they may have been
> sold .
>
> http://www.historicmapsrestored AKA Maps of The
> Past have numerous old maps of Virginia and
> Fairfax County , Washington DC and other areas
> across the United States . Fairfax Underground
> readers can look at them but can not use them or
> download them or post them elsewhere without
> expressed permission of the copyright holder, as
> per their legal instructions as they are copyright
> protected.
>
> https://www.mapsofthepast.com/old-county-maps-virg
> inia.html?CatListingOffset=24&Offset=24&Per_Page=1
> 2&Sort_By=name_asc
>
> https://historicmapsrestored.com.cutestat.com/
>
> Info on the map web sites all from Google
>
> I attempted to post this request to remove the
> 1862 maps on the first page with your instructions
> on the use of Fairfax Underground Cary ,but there
> is porn on there and I immediately left that page

Hey CIC, Thanks for the PIC my friend...this IS what this thread is about.

They are not copyright protected the map on page 126 is ! Yikes Cary take it off because he woke me ,and its been replaced anyway by a non copyright map its no sweat off your b..... Map Monster snnnnoooozzzzzzzeeeeee back to sleeeeeppppp...

b ?? Can someone give us a hit to how Carys last name is pronounced jus wondering Ill spell it W I E D E M A N N Stop It Stupid You want the man to take the map off or what !

>in 1928 most farms didn't have power.

From my Delco . Some farms did from a Delco just like they did in Kansas on the farm Dorothy lived on with Aunt Em and toto and the rest. Windmills powered water pumps on wells bringing up water to storage tanks

https://www.farmcollector.com/farm-shows/delco-light-plant-zmlz13janzbea

DAJAX Young un , see here about the Rural Electrification Act under President Roosevelt a Democrat that was passed in 1936

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Electrification_Act

Even though a pic I took is where I found these , my pic was "stolen from FXU" ! No copyright seen cuz I never had one ! I did not even know what it was ..the millions bygone ...

The Map Monster strikes again . They have probably been posted here a dozen times just like that dammed map of sweaty dreams
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EFI 1960's - The place would be packed today Map Monster
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Points about the stupid map.

1) The resolution quality of the map you posted is very poor compared to the exact same version that is available elsewhere.
2) That map is in the public domain - it is 156 years old and can't be copyrighted.
3) The company that put it's copyright on that map were idiots. You can't copyright something that is not your own and of which there are hundreds of legally acquired copies that are owned by other people. It's literally like buying a book that sold 10,000 copies and then printing it yourself and copyrighting it. That map was inside 1000s of atlases that were produced sold in the 1800s.

Columbia Pike at Washington Blvd
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That's what they did to get a copyright which sucks that it would be allowed but the copyright mark is still there on the posted maps , who wants to be a test case

Bump this post if you do and download and upload the maps again

Obviously Fairfax Underground is a educational free use site there's no money being made here true there's little good advice here either that would be worth money even if the posters were lawyers . Let the Monster sleep

The people in the pic over 21 were polled from their graves , their answers to the following questions were

1 Do you agree with illegal immigration Yes .01 % No 99.9 %

2. Do you favor the death penalty for killers Yes 99.9 % No .01 %

3. Do you favor welfare payments for the lazy Yes .01 % No 99.9 %

If yes to #3 why Answer Im lazy .01 %

What political party do you support if you said yes to question #3 Answer Democrat

4. Do you favor poll taxes and Jim Crow laws Yes 82% No 18 %

If Yes what political party do you support if you said yes to # 4 Answer Democrat If No to # 4 Answer Republican the party of Lincoln

Shirlington shopping center date unknown probably early 70s?
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I meant to say Fairlington shopping center in the previous post.

Hechts @ Wilson and Glebe. Date unknown.
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> Hechts @ Wilson and Glebe. Date unknown.


My guess is 1972 or 1973

All of those cars, and no VWs?

With no heat I wanna know if that's a 1965 white Found On Road Dead Mustake in that Farlington pic Ok Ford Mustang I can see the fake side vents so its not a 64 , in this long thread is a Mustake that looks exactly just like the one I had at a joint I stopped at now and then for soda not beer ! lol Actually that Mustang I had was a totally reliable car that served me well bought it used for 600 sold it used for 300 Fools both but no where to store it 20 years no money either

Stinky old V Dubs and oil smokeing overheating Corvairs ! What's the difference ?There both junk ! The only thing the VW buses were good for was packing them with long haired hippy's beads curtains 8 tracks and tapes and speakers girls and weed smoke

A couple of sneaky shots of Hogates Flagship on Maine Ave in DC and The Strand a sandwhich joint in Alexandria in days of yore which reminds me of a lil shack a crusty old bum named DAJAX has down Dragon Run who makes the best truck stop food in all of Virginia , sorry its not open to the public , just a thing to do for the old hobo who likes cheap food from roadside joints that have a greasy air to them

I would have loved to have eaten at Hogates! The Strand hit the spot In a Pinch

Post A Old Hogates menu so I can get in the mood for a big copycat seafood fest!
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Will Tyson’s Meat locker remain open during Covid-19 pandemic?

A little more Arlington. This might have already been posted.
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Sneaky Pete The Smelly VW Basher Wrote:
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> A couple of sneaky shots of Hogates Flagship on
> Maine Ave in DC and The Strand a sandwhich joint
> in Alexandria in days of yore which reminds me of
> a lil shack a crusty old bum named DAJAX has down
> Dragon Run who makes the best truck stop food in
> all of Virginia , sorry its not open to the public
> , just a thing to do for the old hobo who likes
> cheap food from roadside joints that have a greasy
> air to them
>
> I would have loved to have eaten at Hogates! The
> Strand hit the spot In a Pinch
>
> Post A Old Hogates menu so I can get in the mood
> for a big copycat seafood fest!


Just FYI Sneaky...Hogates and Flagship were 2 different places.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> dogbert Wrote:
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> > One cool thing about this map is that the Union
> > Army got it wrong--the map shows the W&OD
> railroad
> > heading north from Leesburg, when in fact it
> went
> > west through Purcellville to Snickers Gap.
>
>
> They did not get this wrong. There are other maps
> from the time which show the same orientation.
>
> When the Alexandria, Loundoun and Hampshire RR was
> originally being constructed before the Civil War
> the plan was to take the line from Leesburg
> through Hillsboro and through I believe Keys Gap
> before crossing the Shenandoah River and striking
> out towards the coal fields of what was then
> Hampshire County. At the time of the Civil War
> track was laid through Leesville with very little
> construction work done beyond Clark's Gap. After
> the Civil War the route was changed so that the
> line went through Purcelleville and Bluemont, from
> which point it was to cross the Blue Ridge
> Mountains through a tunnel at Snicker's Gap and
> then head directly to Winchester, the W&OD route
> we are familiar with today.
>
> There are several reasons for this. The AL&H was
> descended from the planned Alexandria & Harpers
> Ferry RR which if built would probably have
> followed a route from Leesburg through Hillsboro
> to Harpers Ferry. By the time the AL&H got its
> act together the Manassas Gap was already talking
> about building a branch line from Centreville
> through southern Loudoun County to the
> Purcellville area. Then there was the need to
> tunnel through the mountain at Snicker's Gap, an
> expense which might be avoided by another route.

Thank you. I did not know that. I also have ben interested in the Loudoun Branch of the Manassas Gap RR. I wanted to visit the tunnel but it is on private property:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8joSs7Bb2Q

Thanks for the picture of the Parkington Hecht Company sign! The Arlington Theatre still lives as the Drafthouse.

Good times!