Parents have been covering for the kids. Now they can't do it any longer.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-va-assault-case-anxious-parents-recognize-dark-side-of-autism-/2011/03/11/ABYhoSS_allComments.html?ctab=all_comments

Autism , Chiropractic medicine and organic milk are all the latest myths .

The problem with autism is that they have broadened the definition to the level of absurdity. Everybody's autistic these days. Just because your kid hums while doing math doesn't make him autistic.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> The problem with autism is that they have
> broadened the definition to the level of
> absurdity. Everybody's autistic these days. Just
> because your kid hums while doing math doesn't
> make him autistic.

ADD and ADHD are gateway disorders to autism. Try one and you are 40% likely to dabble with harder disorders like autism.

JUST SAY NO!

Last week, prosecutors tried Latson on a breaking-and-entering charge related to an incident in 2009. In that case, prosecutors said, Latson rang the doorbell at a teenager’s home. When the teen opened the door, Latson hit him and followed him inside. Latson pleaded guilty to assault last year. On Thursday, he was found guilty of breaking and entering.

“I’m not here to try to paint a pretty story about my son,” but he is not the violent individual that Stafford authorities have depicted, said Latson’s mother, Lisa Alexander. “Neli is not a danger to society. He doesn’t belong in jail. He belongs at home.”

I'm sympathetic, really, but he apparently attacked some kid for no good reason. That is the very definition of danger to society. Perhaps he doesn't belong in jail but something must be done.

So after reading the article, how are cops supposed to handle a 6'2', 320 pound man who may become violent. Because they have Aspergers, which depending on who you talk to may not be a real condition, are they supposed to be able to maim and terrorize until their episode ends. Another parent running to the media to gain a public outcry

If all parents with children with Autism would just come in for a free stress test, they'd see how much better they could have it!

It's a 1949 Buick Roadmaster. Straight 8. Fireball 8. Only 8,985 production models. Dad lets me drive slow on the driveway. But not on Monday, definitely not on Monday.

Aspergers and ADHD should not be lumped in with Autism. True Autism is tragic. Parents who say, "feel bad for me because my kid is made fun of for acting like Bill Gates," are assholes.

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Those with Aspergers classify themselves with a form of Autism and having a disability. A disability is missing a limb. I read the article in the Washington Post and this kid is a habitual offender, ending the career of a deputy as a result of the brutal attack.

I see it all too often. Oh..Little Johnny can't get his homework done. Little Johnny is inconsiderate to other kids. Little Johnny acts up in class. He's got a disability. No....Little Johnny is a lazy little asshole and needs a swift kick in the ass.

I dated this chick in college and her younger brother was a lazy, good for nothing deadbeat. Fucked off in school, stole his parents credit cards, didn't go to college, didn't get a job, etc. The parents blamed it on "a lack of dominance" since he was ambidextrous. What??? Are you fucking kidding me? No, the real reason was that he was was never disciplined and had excuses made for him. Guess what...he's still unemployed, living at their house and he's 34 years old. LOL. Great parenting.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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> The parents blamed it on "a lack of
> dominance" since he was ambidextrous.


He can pick his parents' pockets with both his left and right hands.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Aspergers and ADHD should not be lumped in with
> Autism. True Autism is tragic. Parents who say,
> "feel bad for me because my kid is made fun of for
> acting like Bill Gates," are assholes.


Absolutely correct, so are the kids in many causes, just plain bullies or have no social skills much like their parents. In the case of the turd in Stafford, I guess the deputy should have been playing"what mental meltdown are you having today" while trying to locate a person supposedly with a gun. My guess is the neighbors are breathing a sigh of relief.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Aspergers and ADHD should not be lumped in with
> Autism. True Autism is tragic. Parents who say,
> "feel bad for me because my kid is made fun of for
> acting like Bill Gates," are assholes.

Bill Gates doesn't have Aspergers. Asperger "sufferers" and parents say that shit to make themselves feel better. It's like when atheists always claim Einstein was an atheist. Somehow having a smart person associated with their affliction makes it OK.

The should have just sent him to the Lamb Center. I'm sure he'd fit right in there.

if you think assburgers isn't a real condition, just look at this picture:

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That's a hipster, not an Aspie.

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This guy claimed to have Asperger's after his recorded question went viral.

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> recorded question went viral.
>
>
>


You know you've hit rock bottom when even nerds find you easy to ridicule.

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> > This guy claimed to have Asperger's after his
> > recorded question went viral.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> You know you've hit rock bottom when even nerds
> find you easy to ridicule.

+1

I was wondering where it went viral.

Must have been with the alt.nerd.loser crowd.

That shit was on Yahoo!, CNN, AOL - all over. Follow-up stories as well. If you get that sort of media exposure and you aren't a serial rapist, you should be able to get some ass...unless you're that guy. He went home and played WoW. Lots and lots of WoW.

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> It's a 1949 Buick Roadmaster. Straight 8. Fireball
> 8. Only 8,985 production models. Dad lets me drive
> slow on the driveway. But not on Monday,
> definitely not on Monday.

+1.. Classic!

I hope none of you ever have to learn personally how to live with someone with severe Autism or Aspergers. You'd never make it. This is clearly a problem society needs to address and not just pretend it isn't there.

But the kid is lucky the cop didn't just pull out his weapon and shoot him. It's a shame he's going to prison, but it's a whole lot better than a coffin.

I agree but instead of people expecting everybody else to include the schools and police to address the issue maybe the parents need to accept some responsibility instead of turning them loose on the rest of the world to see how it plays out. Part of the mainstreaming bullshit that has people believing that it helps kids with mental problems to become more normal by mixing them in with hapless future victims.

dr pill Wrote:
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> I agree but instead of people expecting everybody
> else to include the schools and police to address
> the issue maybe the parents need to accept some
> responsibility instead of turning them loose on
> the rest of the world to see how it plays out.
> Part of the mainstreaming bullshit that has
> people believing that it helps kids with mental
> problems to become more normal by mixing them in
> with hapless future victims.


LOL, mainstreaming CAN help, if the cop had never encountered someone like this before he probably WOULD have pulled his weapon, but he was familiar with special needs individuals. (yes, I know that's an irritating PC term, but it's easier than writing out the litany of types). His familiarity is why he probably didn't pull the gun. He was trying to reason with the guy. An EXTREMELY difficult thing to do with someone severely afflicted.

A lot of these people are HIGHLY intelligent, so putting them in a box would be stupid, but neither should they be roaming about alone when they've shown a violent nature.

You'd be surprised at how responsible the parents have been usually. Before you make off-the-cuff remarks you should do some real research. It is not a simple problem and there is no simple answer. So do you have some easy answer for adult autism/asperger individuals? Keep in mind some of them are probably geniuses, at least in regards to a particular subject. They have a breakdown in dealing with others in a 'normal' manner, but they aren't usually stupid.

Why should society have to deal with this problem especially when it puts others at risk, innocent people subjected to the rage and unpredictability of somebody with the various spectrum disorders? The time, energy and resources that goes into managing just one of these individuals could be used to address the needs of many. That is a wiser use of scarce resources. In this economy, that is relevant.

I think it was really really brave for the Post to publish the article. Those 'in the know' have been aware of the risks and violence and unpredicatablity of this population. Family members will often not acknowledge the amount of 'walking on eggshells' that goes on in these families.

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> Why should society have to deal with this problem
> especially when it puts others at risk, innocent
> people subjected to the rage and unpredictability
> of somebody with the various spectrum disorders?
> The time, energy and resources that goes into
> managing just one of these individuals could be
> used to address the needs of many. That is a
> wiser use of scarce resources. In this economy,
> that is relevant.
>
> I think it was really really brave for the Post to
> publish the article. Those 'in the know' have
> been aware of the risks and violence and
> unpredicatablity of this population. Family
> members will often not acknowledge the amount of
> 'walking on eggshells' that goes on in these
> families.


I was going to give a serious response, but.....you just trollin'

Me too...

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> I was going to give a serious response,
> but.....you just trollin'

Signatures are for fags

Definitely watch TV but you have to be in bed at eleven. Lights out at eleven.

I agree with 'gimmie a break'; I know there is a big push by the parents and special interest groups pushing the 'autism speaks' agenda but lets not be in denial about the severity of the spectrum impairments and how parents and providers have to placate these unpredictable individuals. I remember that at Giant food I used to shop at (I don't go there anymore as I prefer Harris Teeter), there was a worker who appeared to have autism or some kind of mental retardation and the worker was often angry and argumentative with customers. I would watch the manager trying to intervene but looking helpless as these individuals often cannot be reasoned with (most have intermittent explosive disorder, too). It was really scary to witness as many elderly people used to shop there and had no idea that the worker was 'special needs.'

Autism may speak but sometimes it is with a fist.

nice try

Trolls are so amusing.

At least he had a real story instead of some all knowing theory

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> I hope none of you ever have to learn personally
> how to live with someone with severe Autism or
> Aspergers. You'd never make it. This is clearly
> a problem society needs to address and not just
> pretend it isn't there.
>

I'm not talking about severe. I'm talking about minor traits that are lumped in with Autism as a whole. A kid can have Asperger-like tendencies and be fully functional. When parents go around calling this kid Autistic, it is a disservice to the kid and to parents of real Autistic children.

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I fully agree with you, WTL, and the schools don't help. They'll label anyone who shows ANY sign of autism autistic. Not that a doctor had anything to do with their 'diagnosis' but that's what goes in the students IEP, etc.

Shadow Wrote:
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> I fully agree with you, WTL, and the schools don't
> help. They'll label anyone who shows ANY sign of
> autism autistic. Not that a doctor had anything
> to do with their 'diagnosis' but that's what goes
> in the students IEP, etc.


Incorrect. The schools loath the autistic label as that kicks in a whole new set of services that they have to provide. And when you agree with WTL, expect to be wrong most of the time.

PDS Wrote:
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> Shadow Wrote:
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> > I fully agree with you, WTL, and the schools
> don't
> > help. They'll label anyone who shows ANY sign
> of
> > autism autistic. Not that a doctor had
> anything
> > to do with their 'diagnosis' but that's what
> goes
> > in the students IEP, etc.
>
>
> Incorrect. The schools loath the autistic label
> as that kicks in a whole new set of services that
> they have to provide. And when you agree with
> WTL, expect to be wrong most of the time.

I've seen it happen and if it gets the kid out of their home school, and no longer disrupting their classes, they jump right on that bandwagon.

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>
>
> Incorrect. The schools loath the autistic label
> as that kicks in a whole new set of services that
> they have to provide. And when you agree with
> WTL, expect to be wrong most of the time.


Actually, you are incorrect. If you have someone who is functional with mild traits who is diagnosed as Autistic, it means new sources of State and Federal funds. Given that the kid won't require that much assistance, it is actually beneficial for the school.

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> >
> >
> > Incorrect. The schools loath the autistic
> label
> > as that kicks in a whole new set of services
> that
> > they have to provide. And when you agree with
> > WTL, expect to be wrong most of the time.
>
>
> Actually, you are incorrect. If you have someone
> who is functional with mild traits who is
> diagnosed as Autistic, it means new sources of
> State and Federal funds. Given that the kid won't
> require that much assistance, it is actually
> beneficial for the school.


No, actually you are incorrect......

Anyway, the teachers are mostly slugs. They hate the extra work required both with the students and paperwork that they have to file. The money isn't the issue, the extra work is.

I live it every day, so please don't try and act like you have any clue about it unless you're living it too.

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>
> I live it every day, so please don't try and act
> like you have any clue about it unless you're
> living it too.


Please explain.

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> I live it every day, so please don't try and act
> like you have any clue about it unless you're
> living it too.




No, you don't.

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> PDS Wrote:
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> > Shadow Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I fully agree with you, WTL, and the schools
> > don't
> > > help. They'll label anyone who shows ANY
> sign
> > of
> > > autism autistic. Not that a doctor had
> > anything
> > > to do with their 'diagnosis' but that's what
> > goes
> > > in the students IEP, etc.
> >
> >
> > Incorrect. The schools loath the autistic
> label
> > as that kicks in a whole new set of services
> that
> > they have to provide. And when you agree with
> > WTL, expect to be wrong most of the time.
>
> I've seen it happen and if it gets the kid out of
> their home school, and no longer disrupting their
> classes, they jump right on that bandwagon.


So, you're agreeing with me then?? Hard to tell based on your post. You seem to be saying that schools jump at the chance to punt these kids, which would bolster my point, but the post is somewhat convoluted. Schools can't just punt these kids. It isn't their choice. They love to label kids ADHD because the burden for that is almost all on the parents. They can demand that you medicate your kid or they can remove him/her from the classroom. When a kid gets labeled as someone on the spectrum, it's a whole different world. There are no medications they can take. They have to deal with them as they are, and most of the teachers can't deal with them.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
> >
> > I live it every day, so please don't try and
> act
> > like you have any clue about it unless you're
> > living it too.
>
>
> Please explain.


Nope. That isn't really any of your business. I fight this fight every day with the school system. If you can't extrapolate what that means, you'll have to remain clueless.

Well, now I know you are full of shit becase schools cannot demand or even request that your kid be put in ADHD drugs.

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> Nope. That isn't really any of your business. I
> fight this fight every day with the school system.
> If you can't extrapolate what that means, you'll
> have to remain clueless.



No, you don't. LOL at "extrapolate", does your pretend autism make you use the thesaurus to sound smart?

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> Well, now I know you are full of shit becase
> schools cannot demand or even request that your
> kid be put in ADHD drugs.


Wrong again. They can demand that you medicate your kid who is diagnosed with ADHD while they are in school or they can keep him from attending school.

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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > Well, now I know you are full of shit becase
> > schools cannot demand or even request that your
> > kid be put in ADHD drugs.
>
>
> Wrong again. They can demand that you medicate
> your kid who is diagnosed with ADHD while they are
> in school or they can keep him from attending
> school.

You are incredibly, incredibly wrong about this. You are a total fucking fraud. Now shut the fuck up.

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Sounds like WTL is raising a re-re.

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Nope. I just have enough common sense to know that if a school can't deny an education to illegal immigrants, they can't do it to parents who refuse to give their kids ADHD medication.

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I guess I should not be surprised by the level of ignorance displayed here - it is FU.

No the schools cannot force you to medicate your child. They do require certain vaccines, they can require your child be treated for communicable diseases or miss school (lice, mumps etc.). ADD/ADHD is not communicable.

Autism is, unfortunately, quite real. It is diagnosed by a medical doctor or psychiatrist not the school. It is a difficult condition and can be very hard on the individuals and family thus afflicted.

You can treat Autism, you can fix ignorance but, as so many here display - you cannot fix 'Stupid.'

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> > Sounds like WTL is raising a re-re.
>
>
> Nope. I just have enough common sense to know that
> if a school can't deny an education to illegal
> immigrants, they can't do it to parents who refuse
> to give their kids ADHD medication.


And yet, they can and they do and you once again show that your "common sense" is really just common ignorance as you spout opinion as fact. Do you have kids? Are you even married? Is your only experience with the public school system as a student? From what I've read of your posts, your life experiences seem to center around posting on this board as you are posting here 24/7.

You are clueless on soooooooo many things because you haven't lived it. So rant and cuss all you want junior. Get off your computer, go out and try a find a girlfriend, get married, have some kids, get a real job and support a family and then come back here and talk about what schools will and wont do. Otherwise, stop talking about stuff you have no idea about because you're only barometer is your worthless common sense and your only experience is whacking off to porn on your computer and flipping burgers at McDonalds.

btw, people that have cancer are not generally referred to as 'cancerous.' For example if someone you know has lung cancer you typically do not say "I heard Mr. Smith is cancerous." You are more likely to mention that "Mr. Smith has lung cancer."

It is more accurate and most likely more humanizing to refer to those afflicted with Autism as "Having Autism;" not "being Autistic."

Reading through prior posts of PDS, it's obvious that it's just a character troll. The person is trying really hard to sound smart.

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> Reading through prior posts of PDS, it's obvious
> that it's just a character troll. The person is
> trying really hard to sound smart.


PDS = T2T

Ignorance Wrote:
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> I guess I should not be surprised by the level of
> ignorance displayed here - it is FU.
>
> No the schools cannot force you to medicate your
> child. They do require certain vaccines, they can
> require your child be treated for communicable
> diseases or miss school (lice, mumps etc.).
> ADD/ADHD is not communicable.
>
> Autism is, unfortunately, quite real. It is
> diagnosed by a medical doctor or psychiatrist not
> the school. It is a difficult condition and can
> be very hard on the individuals and family thus
> afflicted.
>
> You can treat Autism, you can fix ignorance but,
> as so many here display - you cannot fix 'Stupid.'


I didn't say that the school can force you to medicate your child. It can force you to medicate your child or remove them from the classroom. It happened at BRES. The child was removed until they put them on ADHD medication. The parents ended up homeschooling the boy because they didn't want to medicate him and they didn't want to have him taken out the general education program. Sorry, your wrong.

And this whole ADHD topic has become a red herring from the original subject, which was autism.

PDS if you are being forced to medicate your child for ADD by the school you may well be able to sue. They are not allowed to do that.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/etc/guide.html

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> PDS if you are being forced to medicate your child
> for ADD by the school you may well be able to sue.
> They are not allowed to do that.
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medi
> cating/etc/guide.html


It wasn't my kid. The parents didn't sue, they just pulled him out. They did talk with a lawyer, but the school offered the alternative of small group and one-on-one and some other options (none of which were to GE the boy) so she said the parents had little chance of winning.

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>
>
> It wasn't my kid. The parents didn't sue, they
> just pulled him out. They did talk with a lawyer,
> but the school offered the alternative of small
> group and one-on-one and some other options (none
> of which were to GE the boy) so she said the
> parents had little chance of winning.


The truth is you really don't know what happened. The parents could have been oversensitive to the fact that a teacher may have said she saw ADHD tendencies in their kid (which a teacher CAN do). A teacher or school CANNOT recommend or force medication on a kid.

Odds are the parents were unhappy with the situation anyway, took offense at the idea, pulled the kid out and then bashed the school for forcing them out. People are prone to exaggerate.

But you wouldn't know anything about that, now would you PDS?

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Sounds like the system worked PDS. The school likely had a kid with ADHD that was 'not available for learning' in his mainstream class (read too hyperactive to allow normal classroom learning for the rest of the class). The school offered 'accommodation' to the student - the parents declined. Every kid has the right to a public education - including the 20 some odd kids sharing the classroom with the child with ADHD.

I applaud the parents in their choice to home educate but I do not fault the school for merely doing their job. Fairfax Public Schools make some terrible policy decisions and I don't defend them most of the time. Perhaps there is more to the story here (I would not doubt it).

Given what we know though it sounds like the school did what was required. I am certain they never required medication (they may have offered to see if it might help in the main stream class, but they cannot compel kids to take anything).

I think you got a bit off track arguing that the school forced the kid out of school - they didnt.

Boy did this thread go off track. Of course, once eesh joined the discussion, it was doomed anyway. FFU's thread-killer strikes again.

Hey eesh, why can't you kill that stinking Mike O'Meara thread? That one seems to be able to withstand even your lameness.

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> Boy did this thread go off track. Of course, once
> eesh joined the discussion, it was doomed anyway.
> FFU's thread-killer strikes again.
>
> Hey eesh, why can't you kill that stinking Mike
> O'Meara thread? That one seems to be able to
> withstand even your lameness.




Not so disguised Chuck Hoffmann post.

clue magnet Wrote:
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> Sounds like WTL is raising a re-re.


WTL Family photo?

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> > Sounds like WTL is raising a re-re.
>
>
> Nope. I just have enough common sense to know that
> if a school can't deny an education to illegal
> immigrants, they can't do it to parents who refuse
> to give their kids ADHD medication.


After working in schools for 15 years I can tell you they are both royal pains in the ass and detract from everybody else learning from their shitty behavior.

cork Wrote:
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> clue magnet Wrote:
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>
> > Sounds like WTL is raising a re-re.
>
>
> WTL Family photo?
>
>
>


Could be. He does have three kids. Two daughters and a son.

I have autism. Could you milk me?

I have autism too. Could someone support me and let me watch cartoons all day?

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