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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 01, 2019 03:55PM

why seed "pusher".uh?somewher i redd are some kind uf gmo farm plant may been corn that new seed must be bawht(bought).i favor unlegalization uf all gmo and genetic engineering except may be tu place a same species gene if truely so or a nonmutant gene if truely so tu preserv a species.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 01, 2019 04:10PM

this is seed must frequently or yierly be bawht agan.(bought again).make a good edible non gmo perrenial hybrid.buy seed once.occasionally replant some wenn some plants die.these kind uf wat are possibly maize corn and a perrenial much smaller wild roed(road)side grass grow in pittsburg allegany co. pa. and beaver co. pa. ambridge i saw one.if is wat maize and another grass perrenial then a hybrid nierly purely corn can certinly can be bred that is perrenial .

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 02, 2019 12:10PM

2 different grupes uf scientist studyed somniferum+setigerum hybrids.my hypothesis is that if they studyed the chromosomes uf seeds that didn't fully develope,seedlings that died they woold lern more.poppy seeds uf hybrids can be like dust insted uf fully developed seeds.too some oxytana hybrid seeds were partly full size flatish apparently ded simular tu shells.i suspect that dust seed chromosomes uf this kind uf hybrid somniferum-setigerum may contain 2n=44.the paired 11+11 uf somniferum and setigerum having exchanged genes then 11 1/2 somniferum about can be 1/2 setigerum but as an average.+another simular 11.but the univalent 11 with may be 5 mutations+11 univalent identicle 5 mutations.that part can be sick or not able tu liv.that part if only sick can die too.they studyed wat lived but too is wat didn't amung the seed dust, seedlings, and plants that die.but if 2 different somniferum plants from different populations crossed with 2 different setigerums and those 2 different somniferum-setigerums crossed the results different because 11 somniferum-setigerum+11 different somniferum setigerum but too the univalent not only from one setigerum population but 2 lessening chances uf common mutations and not the same mutations the 11+11 more often viable.then they may find f2 44,33,and 22.within such a mix wenn self pollination occures the 33,28,and 22 f2s.wenn both occur and are numerous plants some cross pollinating and some self pollinating the self pollinating giving rise tu 33,28,22 crosses 44,33,22.if 1/2 somniferum 2n22 1/2 setigerum population 2n44 the genepool will become more 2n=22 than 2n=44 because selfpollinations and woold be part triploid 33 from recent 11+22 hybrid mixes.potentially because self pollination thoh numerous plants after meny generations only 2n=22 11+11 like somniferum.if the plants were 500 and grown wher pure plants woold reproduce a stable population uf 500 they woold not maintain such a population but dwindle tetraploids identicle mutation plus identicle mutations woold die and not grow tu maturity and triploids too woold more often die.the population woold from these dwindle tu less than 500 .but univalent genes with say not 5 but one mutation not much harmfull coold may be survive along with 2 paired somniferum-setigerum .rarely the univalent may be coold survive and paired too triploid and tetraploid because only 1 mutation and not very critical tu life but a bit a wieknis.univalents with mutations uf genes more important tu survival alone dying more and paired tu another identicle univalent living not and a tetraploid plant dust seed that died might be only.but within 500 some univalents the liest mutant and the mutation liest important tu life might partly survive and with cross pollination paired with a tetraploid or triploid and be a tetraploid with fewer mutations on the occasionall univalent setigerum chromosome.but most plants woold be diploid like somniferum because deth uf selfpollinated tetraploids and more often uf selfpollinated triploids than diploids.might survive a little the liest mutant setigerum chromosome and some tetraploid possible and some triploids but along with a dwindling population mostly somniferum like diploid or all eventually.and are different pod size genes,seed size,heights,chemicals,root shapes,lieves.and partly by chance a next generation eny uf those traits coold be more if a little more grew having a trait by chance.2n22somniferum woold prevale over setigerum 2n44 but wat about the remaining differences.but a mostly somniferum grupe uf plants too woold prevail fully or mostly over eny tetraploid and triploid plants and if simular tu my mostly setigerum kind uf hybrids wat occured if the reverse is true but is it?the mostly somniferum grupe uf numerous plants woold get rid uf all or most uf setigerum genes gradually some possibely kept simular tu part beneficial and partly not mutations.and possible that eventually 100 setigerum kind uf genes vanish except for those common the tu both species.common plant and papaver plant genes.if the opium poppy farmer's opium poppy mixt with a field rhoeas and a hybrid grew and a bee crosst that and he then grew a 1/4 rhoeas 3/4 somniferum probablely if mix agan too and a 7/8 grew those genes are going tu all or nierly all vanish.same with corn that may mix with another kinds uf grass and a hybrid grown in the cornfield.probable all that may be maintain is a small amount uf other grass genes or zero except the common tu both grasses genes.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 02, 2019 01:05PM

an example.400 somniferum 100 setigerum.400 diploid 100 tetraploid.50% crosspollination by insects.2nd generation 350 somniferums 100 somniferum setigerums 50 setigerums.the 50 uncrossed somniferum setigerums no or nierly no teraploids is 50-12.5 and diploid 12.5 survivers and triploid not 25 but somewat fewer.uf 50 somniferum setigerums croosed most with somniferum 2ndly somniferum setigerums liest with setigerums.uf the setigerum somniferum 11+22+the same will be 11+11 11+22 22+22 22+11.50% triploid 25% tetraploid 25% diploid.agan part uf the triploids next generation will die more than 25%.these plants will dwindle but if more non mutant genes are obtained too they coold live behter.if no mutations were this mix woold only cause more deths and population loss.but if the plants have mutations much and are inbred they possibely coold obtain numerous non mutant common genes.if that was may be mulitply a bit or be about the same number if the deths from being triploid were less than the benfits uf non mutant genes obtained by the hybridization but agan if were zero mutation the hybridization causing deths and population decriese(decrease).the greatest mortality occuring amung the hybrids.the setigerums fewer 20%.1st 50% by bees only 50 setigerums but 350 somniferum.but 20% hybrids that more than 25% died.then less than 75 hybrid plants .then agan setigerum remaing 50 will mix mostly with somniferum.some uf the hybrid plants mixed agan will be the more dying triploid kind.11+22 the 22 with somniferum 11 and 11 with setigerum 22 but some 11+11 and 22+22.and some with other hybrids and those 11+22 11+22s 11+11 11+22 22+11 22+22 50% triploids 1/2 agan selfpollination agan more than 25% dying.then 500 plants from only this diminished but from nonmutant genes if inbred can be a plus and make the plants live behter.this grupe uf plants after only a few generations coold be more than the original 80% somniferum 400plants because more setigerums mixed were triploid and died more.but wat if the plants had mutations numerous and inbred then may be thoh more than 25% died because the triploid unpaired gene and wenn paired can hav lethal mutations with no helthy gene.then these plants hybrid might grow enuf behter from less inbreeding and a helthy gene tu offset the univalent and paired univalent identicle chromosome with all mutations unpaired with a helthy gene.if offset equally then same number the hybrids.if more benefit than the triploid's extra chromosomes 11 unpaired or with themselves the plants hybrid coold grow more than the somniferums or setigerums.depends on how much inbred.but nonmutants only this triploid effect probablely less lethal but some problem perhaps.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 02, 2019 01:44PM

uh.i forgot.if the tuw kinds had no mutations the tetraploids wooldn't die or the triploids more than the diploids within this example population 80% somniferum 20% setigerum 50% cross pollination.paired with the twin univalent woold die.the triploid's univalent helthy genes only.if wat occured in my plants that other papaver species genes vanished and gradually diminished including somniferum apparently traits if that occures reverse then the hybrids actually will somewat more die until all setigerum traits or nierly vanish after numerous generations and other papaver species traits simularly.but about the triploid.if setigerum is a mutant diploid turnd tetraploid that woold be a mutation and more deths.if setigerum is tetraploid from it's creation by GOD then tetraploid woold die more if somniferum diploid.and all other or most setigerum traits woold die too.if no mutations the 500 plants woold only diminish until all setigerum traits were gone except wenn the nitch favord some setigerum traits and then thoh hybrid some kept but too before then in that case too some dimishment woold occure too but less than if the nitch was a pure nonmutant somniferum one.if are no mutations nierly all times population numbers become less because hybridization.sometimes a nitch may be more favorable tu hybrid traits.various kinds uf coywolves partly are this probablely.but some are sterile.within a nitch for a pure nonmutant species hybridization is more deth.a little mutation a red rose turnd pink adds a little variety.both hybrid traits and mutations allow survival in some nitches wher the pure non mutants die more.sicklecell anemia gene partly safegards from malaria.but causes deths too.baldnis must hav some benefit too but bald men have more hartattacks.but because some simular plants are inbred a greater number uf helthy common tu more than one species genes can be obtained and too a hybrid trait may favor the plant growing in some nitches and too may be a mutation from another plant uf a common gene simularly.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 02, 2019 02:28PM

correction paired with the twin univalent i wrote woold die.i ment woold not die because if no mutation has only helthy identicle genes.niether tetraploids or triploids nor the diploids woold die because uf mutations.if one was mutant 2n44 or non mutant 2n44 the other nonmutant 2n22 and 2n22 the main kind 80% 2n44 woold die more until gon except for other factors.but if setigerum non mutant was 2n22 too then that number 2n44 a very common mutation.somniferum species obvious trait genes like other papaver species genes vanish and mostly after numerous generations grown within a mostly setigerum kind uf genepool.it isn't difficult tu du this experament .grow mostly setigerum with some somniferum in greenhaus 3x a yier for 4 yiers.and revers.grow most somniferum mixed with some setigerum plants for some yiers.behter yet grow wild like partly because deth is more.but wat is setigerum?from fotos i'v seen i woold think that some uf yue believe wat yue have seen are pure setigerum kinds uf plants.the upturning capsule italia flora foto may be from somniferum or mutant.that kind uf capsule frum the pink ones dimisht gradually after being numerous.black bloches are on some the czek? sight had a purplish setigerum the purple may been from purplesomniferum or not and with black bloches.black bloches dilute with lighter purple and gradually dimish and most disappier.too are the yellow pollen one's.grey pollen does gradually vanish and is before that a greyish white pollen before becoming white.pinnatifidums too can have yellow pollen and grow some places setigerum does.i suspect yellow too may be hybrid.therfore tu this expierament that yue grow numerous setigerum strains tugether and be sure they are cross pollinated and interbred and grow for generations tu see whether yellow or white pollen is the true color and all the rest.too are the mutations in wild plants and my mostly setigerum like wild hybrids had white petal fringes and they vanished after mixed with full coloration uf petals petals.then yue have a setigerum pure(if all pure genes exist within the wild setigerums and if not some can be in another kind perhaps but species kind unique if lost are gone).too the mutations may been mostly gone.i think wat truely is probable all setigerums uf hybrid ancestry.meny have hybrid traits and too are mutations.then tu determine behter the pure non mutant chuse numerous breeds,petal colors,pollen colors,sparse spikes and spikeless,light purple bloched and blackbloched ,only green pod and simular tu rhoeas and numerous other poppys some coloration uf stigmas and nier the capsule top pods etc.after a while the obvious mutation will die more along with the hybrid traits.yue may want tu plant in various locations because nitches can favor some mutations and hybrid traits.then most likely wat predominantly remains pure nonmutant setigerum d.c..

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 02, 2019 03:12PM

i forgot may been i wrote that morfine was a dominant trait like the stem.it isn't exept partly.the japanese scientist hybrid somniferum-setigerum f1 had a little more morfine than their setigerum.but my tall stems gradually vanished.non immediately after crossbreeding but after meny yiers.yue coold take my parkseed bracteatum iranian +livermere with the 2 inch pod tall stem cross it with setigerum grow it in a greenhaus(if they survive because my setigerum pseudoorientales only grew lieves then died.)yue breed the tall stem and large pod,preserv only single gene plants and yue then woold have some wierd hybrid looking simular tu a somniferum.it woold be mostly setigerum if cross agan with setigerum be nierly 4ft tall with a large 2 inch pod.then may be with some mutant yue get more morfine and then later much noscapine mutantion.and may be yue coold get more starch from perrenial root genes.one botanist hie believ setigerum a different species than somniferum but possiblely with a common ancestor( partly?).i hav thawht may be that.with a bracteatum more fude in a root,larger pod and larger plant.then too mutants saved for more morfine noscapine.the agricultural mutant hybrid for more stuff.if something like that was so.then less noscapine less morfine wenn crossed with plants partly more simular tu the original and large bracteatum pods and stems woold vanish.but if with bracteatum,pseudo oriental or oriental poppy then wher frum large seeds?too oxtytana perrenial roots certinly don't look like somniferum or setigerum or rhoeas roots.setigerum roots shape is simular tu the rhoeas drawing and somniferum root a bit different from both.my wild hybrids mixed with the taller red-purple and pinks.i had numerous taller for a while then none.uh. somniferum and setigerum may be from day one about wat they are and 2 more simular kinds uf papaver.the paucifolitum apparently and oriental,pseudo or bracteaum hybrid simular tu paucifoliatum bracteaum some wat look like an oriental poppy.because that and because wild plants hybridized once in a while.some possibility about hybrids bracteatum,pseudo orientale and orientale and paucifoliatum.but bracteatum orientale produced mostly oripavine and bracteatum with pseudo oriental thebaine.these too coold be mixed and grown mostly one kind a bit the other generations tu see wat was the pure species.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 03, 2019 12:39PM

about the somniferum-setigerum pod .the stem yes nierly surely a different species not a mutation the somniferum tall stem .but mutation some time have effects wenn a helthy gene is present partly.sickle cell gene anemia if partly not both does hav an effect for example.fully ignorant about if the larger pod is a partly dominant somniferum kind gene or a mutant giant pod gene uf a gene common tu both somniferum or setigerum.may be the mutant gene having some effect.or a partly dominant unique species gene.but a nierly dominant stem taller and amung meny setigerums shorter that gradually vanishs indicates that shorter setigerum stem belong tu that kind and is not a mutant uf the taller somniferum stem height but is that kind setigerum's stem size and the tall dominance indicated not a mutant setigerum stem.therfore papaver somniferum tall stem is another species mostly dominant trait.shorter setigerum stem belongs tu that species and taller somniferum not a mutant.i was thinking uf my partly arbitrary theory about oxytana poppys and setigerum and somniferum.wat if a bracteaum pod full uf seeds after rain floated intu the water uf a creek that flowed intu a river from the mountins tu s.e. anatolia.and wat if setigerum grew along the anatolian coest as it does in spain,france ,italie,tunisia,crete cyprus.ancient setigerum evidence was found on an israeli island nier israel mainland.then coold had grown along surian coest too and may been in lubnan mountins.then the bracteatum grew by the river bank in south iest anatolia.a warmer climate.those kind can live in warmer climates.some are grown in suthern u.s. for example.then wat if the one gene bracteatum crosst with setigerum growing along the coest but inland. the somniferum bracteatum coold not survive cold.but s.e. anatolia is more suthern.river water may not freeze and the elevation lower.the somniferum bracteatum may be in a warmer greenhaus survive.wat if a warmer s.e. anatolian lower elevation by a river.then the 7+22 bracteatum=setigerum or may be 7+11 survived.no other bracteatums tu breed with agan mixt with setigerum.in this spot a man finds a taller setigerum like plant and keeps it.if the larger pod not mutant but bracteatum unless larger bracteatum and orientale pods are from somniferum or mutant.or may be later after the taller hybrids are growing a larger pod mutant or another hybrid with a larger pod found and that one too kept.then is the large pod bracteatum stem setigerum 11+11.7+22 becoming diploid but +22 a second crossing then 11+22 but partly bracteaum.then diploid 11+11 mostly setigerum but taller with the rare lone bracteaum from a seed washt down the river in a dry pod tu a warmer climate nierer the mediterranean sea.the 1st man has his taller wild hybrid then another a larger pod.larger pods quikly vanished in my hybrids after mixed.i don't remember them about except for the larger red purple before it was mixt.then may be in this spot no larger pod plant too.but another with a larger pod possible.the red-purple did hav a larger pod.but may be from a later hybrid.but then wher due they the large somniferum seeds come from?bracteatum seed and setigerum seed can look identicle about and both smaller than somniferum seed.then cultivation setigerum hybrid with bracteatum and may been then another larger pod.cultivated and well tended and selected more morfine.then mutation and more morfine and mutantion much more noscapine.then mixt with setigerum partial effect uf mutation only slightly more narcotic than setigerum and noscapine closer tu setigerum but a slight amount more.but the codeine was more like somniferum the japanese scientists their hybrid somniferum-setigerum.then the erlyyest place according tu some s.e. anatolia and down the river tu sumeria and the persian gulf.from cultivation uf meny mutant oxytana setigerum hybrids wild setigerum goes extinct in anatolia but mutant setigerum-oxytana somniferum much grown.but why du the peony somniferum lieves be numerous then a mixt type partly setigerum then vanish and only setigerum lieves?if was from bracteaum or another oxtana the taller stem yes woold vanish amung mostly setigerum after a while.germination temperatures are not the same but somniferum is closer that tu bracteatum than tu setigerum 40s,50s degrees.but erly planted setigerum closer tu bracteatum than somniferum the blooming times.and apparently some setigerum hybrids partly has other species black bloches.rhoeas is one kind with black bloches but meny kinds uf poppys have black bloches but true setigerum from my breeding is light purple.and yellow pollen may be from pinnatifidum or another poppy.the botanist classified as 2 different species possible a common ancestor.may be because oxytana mix anatolia other mediterrenian some surival uf setigerum all hybrid uf ancestry and meny with hybrid traits like black bloches.but how due meny upturning capsules survive numerous generations then diminish much and vanish.that too a different species trait found in somniferum but rarely in setigerum wild hybrids.if mutant after mixing not meny .they did vanish or nierly all.but for a while were meny.the wild hybrids setigerums and the mutant agricultural oxtana and other species possible mutant agriculteral hybrid theory. brussell sprouts are a cultivat same species as cabbage,kale,broccoli and other .then the botanist woold be correct.somniferum and setigerum partly different species and may be a common ancestor.flora uf armenia is not only orientale and bracteaum but is ther too a 5ft tall annual?if so then another possible sorce uf a 5ft. stem.but why du somniferum like lieves vanish.in fact nierly all distinctly somniferum traits vanish and at liest one the tall stem a different species wenn within a mostly setigerum kind uf gene pool and other papaver species traits too like black bloches,meny spikes but not sparese setigerum ones,grey pollen.wher from different lieves.a mixt form was.but too were that kind in mixed plants.but then only them a mixed then gone.larger capsules may be did too vanish quikly.after 1st mix perhaps.but for sure did not long last.numerous spikes quikly vanished.but those not from somniferum.but may be from day 1 setigerum mostly like that kind and somniferum a simular kind different.janguars partly look like leopards and are cats and some look very simular more than most but are different kinds uf cats.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 03, 2019 02:09PM

i forgot a possible error.for sure paucifoliatum bracteatum or was with livermere and may been truely that because i grew those next after having paucifoliatum.i wrote bracteatum+paucifoliatum wenn may been livermere that is a bracteatum strain or a part bracteatum.those were very simular tu the conservation area rd. ontario village howe indiana tu mongo north side in field.too they were mostly with very few fully grown seeds.the livermere or bracteaum cross.livermere was probable wat.not red redish orange petals mostly sterile but not total sterilnis.more the size uf paucifoliatum.which i grew may been some error. was the rd tu mongo seed gathered quikly before ieten by the little beetles that too iet other poppy seeds .or was it the livermere-paucifoliatum?may been i grew both once.those kind 2nd generation are much more fertile about 40% seeds and are larger and resemble oriental poppys.and that caused me tu think that oriental poppys and pseudo oriental poppys might be hybrid kinds.partly bracteatum partly paucifoliatums.too the peony like petald orange identified as orientale one foto and another foto simular as pseudo orientale the drooping and appierence uf the unopen flower stem as paucifoliatum.may be a part paucifoliatum hybrid.but too doesn't look like a paucifoliatum only partly.on the rd tu mongo indiana conservation area in that place with the mostly sterile may be one larger plant more fertile.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 03, 2019 02:25PM

the aldrich place hybrids nier ontario dam now conservation and trees that apparently were somniferum-setigerum hybrids had the setigerum bristle thorn at the very tip uf the lief.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 03, 2019 02:54PM

i reredd about the setigerum somniferum.the japanese scientist found a hybrid.but 13.2 more closer tu somniferum 16.and this one too the codeine 3.6 about somniferum3.7 but papaver and noscapine closer tu setigerum.i had writen that morfine a littlemore than setigerum but correctly closer tu somniferum but less so than the codeine nierly same amount.too bracteatum grows about 4ft..some somniferum grow 3ft 4inches. this strain 135 cm the hybrid 125 67 setigerum.they described this as intermediate.i hav my errors but i think this a misdescription partly and an error uf theirs.125 is about 90% 135.125 is uf 137.5 but 67x2 is 134.actually closer in size tu somniferum but a bit shorter.about 190% size compared tu setigerum but only about 1/10th shorter than the 135 more than 4ft about nierly 4.5 ft. somniferum.67 cm is a little more than 2ft tall 2ft. and inches more.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 04, 2019 11:56AM

woops.i was correct the 1st time.the morfine,codeine,thebaine total uf all 3 and the morfine and codeine uf the hybrid studyd in japan.then isn't possible tu consider somniferum from setigerum chemically but that doesn't rule out without knowing tu consider setigerum chemicals mutant less productiv somniferum.new zealand jurnal uf botany 1990.somniferum dry material 2.9,setigerum cultivated .4,wild 06.the cultivated setigerum was from same population.bulletin on narcotics 1957 unodc.setigerum 7.3 morfine codeine 0.8 thebaine 1.6.i add 7.3+.8=8.1+1.6 9.7 total.thebaine becomes codeinone that codeine that morfine.ikkanshu somniferum morfine 16.codiene 3.7 thebaine 1.0.i add that tu 20.7. then setigerum 9.7 somniferum 20.7..papaverine setiger 2.6 and noscapine narcotine .1.somnifer .9 and .1.1.those last 2 chemicals are not uf the morfine kind..the hybrid was 13.2 morfine 3.6 codiene and 1.5 thebaine.total i add is 18.3.1/10th uf 18.3 is 1.83.1.83+18.3 is 20.13.less than 15% wieker a bit more than 10%.then is dominant somniferum genes for the thebaine,codeine,morfine.then isn't mutant setigerum but setigerum with no knowledge coold hav mutant somniferum genes.if they had some effect but mostly not.then somniferum chemicals at liest can't come from setigerum.19.7+20.7=30.4.30.4/2 15.2..total thebaine produced that was retained as thebaine codeine,morfine uf somniferum was 20.7.setigerum. insted 9.7.the hybrid 18.3.papaverine 2.6 setigerum hybrid 2.6 narcotine .1 and .2.somniferum .9 and 1.1..then can't be excluded ignorantly at 1st tu consider somniferum partly mutant setigerum because dominance uf setigerum papaverine and nierly same the hybrid .2 setigerum .1 but somniferum 1.1 much more.but different species traits can be dominant in hybrids.rhoeas-setigerum lieves look like setigerum.but setigerum pseudooriental lieves looked like pseudoorientale but had setigerum coloration.no botanist is going tu say rhoeas is mutant setigerum or setigerum partly mutant pseudorientale because dominant traits.they know some species traits are dominant in hybrids 1st generation.then the morfine from codeine and that from codienone from thebaine.20.7 can only be 2 things.a different species dominant traits or the less mutant or non mutant influenced partly by mutation uf setigerum.too the papaverine.that may be only a different species dominant trait or non mutant unknowning wenn yue begin tu consider which.the somniferum morfine is iether a different species dominance or somniferum is less mutant.iether way morfine chemically somniferum cannot be from setigerum.the mutant possibility unknowing that setigerum mutant less potent somniferum genes.but the other somniferum different species dominant.the thebaine uf the setigerum(i awht tu write this because both somniferums and setigerum can vary all 5 chemicals the amounts)was 1.6 the hybrid 1.5.the codiene .8 hybrid 3.6...2.4 total and 5.1.hybrid.morfine 7.3 setiger 13.2hybrid.too 3.6 hybrid codiene nierly same amount as somniferum 3.7..1.6 thebaine a strychninelike partly poison antidote uf morfine.1.6 uf 9.7 is nierly 1/6th.6x1.6= 9.6.if yue don't know this is more antidoted than if thebaine less.the hybrid 1.5 3.6 13.2.18.3.this is less antidoted.thebaine is nierly only 1/12 amount uf the narcotics.12x1.5=18.0 and 18.3.liest antidoted the somniferum sap 1.0 and 3.7 and 16. 20.7 1x20=20. nierly 20.7.this is the liest antidoted.how much thebaine antidotes how much morfine i don't know.thebaine produced withdrawl in addicted animals.but 7.3-1.6=5.7 and 13.2-1.5=11.7 and 16.-1=15.remainders somniferum 15 hybrid 11.7 setigerum 5.7.but how much it antidotes i'm unsure but it does.some scientist may have an idea uf about and some literature writen.more thebaine wiekens the narcotic effect uf setigerum d.c..uf all the chemicals that were thebaine the somniferum had more than 95% as codiene and morfine.setigerum.only about 84%.the hybrid nierly 92% a bit less.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 04, 2019 12:05PM

i wrote that may be a hybrid with setigerum coold become more mutant with more morfine.that isn't possible probablely because somniferum is dominant and then a different species chemically or somniferum less mutant with more morfine than setigerum.meny poppy produce papaverine.the oxytana and rhoeas due.buttlercups that are not papaver plants have one uf the berberine protopine kinds uf chemicals.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 04, 2019 01:35PM

pinnatifidum.bracteaum+oriental hybrids and setigerum d.c. are 3 legal kinds uf poppys grown often in the u.s. as garden plants that have more narcotic than thebaine.pinnatidum tested was 2% oripavine 1%thebaine and bracteatum+oriental produced 2%oripavine but how much thebaine.wenn they found morfine in a rhoeas once coold that been because hybridization?i knew meny drug abusors in u.s. but met none huw had considered stieling(stealing)garden poppys in lagrange co. indiana.but i hav met persons huw have ieten poppys in my lifetime.one addict tried rhoeas.one person had part uf hir setigerum hybrids stolen once.back tu setigerum and somniferum.20.7 and 3.7 codeine.setigerum 7.3 .8 codeine.but poppys tested don't have the same amounts.cultivated setigerum d.c. tested in australia had somewat more codeine than morfine.simular u.s. justice department reserch.and amounts different. 1.4 lowest for morfine 1.8 for codeine highest 3.1 for morfine and 3.5 codiene.and most had more codeine than morfine.the undoc test did hav a sample 5.1 morfine.too the u.s.j.d. study's had more papaverine 5.5% in the sap and noscapine 11.4 very much.only 6 uf 14 u.s.d.a. study plants had more morfine 8 uf 14 more codeine.their sample uf plants was obtained from germany.too the undoc was .9 and .8 codeine thebaine 2.1 and 1.6 morfine 5.1and 7.3 papaverine 1.9 and 2.6 and .1 and .1 noscapine a much lower amount than the u.s.d.a. samples average 10.2%..the average papaverine higher too than the u.n.d.o.c. amounts 4.7.too czech scientist found mostly morfine if i remember 6% something codeine thebaine papaverine nocsapine a new chemical setigeridine?and papaverine the most chemical in lieves.j.slavik masaryk university.if i remember their sample was more simular tu the u.n.d.o.c seeds obtaind from france studyed in japan.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 04, 2019 01:49PM

v. la valva samples suthern france and a part uf italy campania had about no morfine or none.this is they didn't certinly place the plants in atom separator tu find a possible only molecule but tested the plants and found none.then these plants are varibable wat they contain in their saps= latexs.and how much nutrition they have.wild can have only less than 1/6th the well tended cultivated plants.can have about no or no morfine occasionally,and more codeine than morfine and various amounts and nierly no narcotine .1 tu very much more than 11%. papaverine too can be meny times in one plant than another.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 04, 2019 02:24PM

another stange theory i had about these plants is that may be they have enuf simular chemistry tu for a while tu produce chemicals after mixing with somniferum but that the pure plant producing nierly none.in much uf wher they grow are somniferum wild,garden and agricultrual plants.a theory that they have part uf the needed chemistry but not all.occasionally mixing and then slowly reverting.i had a very hybrid plant the one uf the 2 red purple plants that seemd tu hav no narcotics.too one yier i grew the plants ate the dry capsules and became mildly sick but taperd with wat plant stuff i had left.wasn't much a big diel then because i had some plant stuff remaining.another yier yiers later too i did the same but didn't notice eny symptoms and lost no sleep and not moist nose or eyes or about that..a week uf mild narcotic doses can giv yue a moist nose if yue stop suddenly.thinking may be they gradually luse potency.but i mixed these with rhoeas and may be they had mixed with setigerum-somniferum hybrids.too how much tended makes a difference.i deliberately hav grown them partly wild.i let a bit uf weeds and grass grow nier them.i havn't all times watered them much.i've thind them but last yier mostly not i grew them crowded and let part uf them die.i planted them in .jan. and feb. and they can germinate then if warm enuf and live under snow and bloom ierlyyer.i planted some late may one yier too.they didn't grow as well but one germinated june 1st about most late may.60s tu 70temps.fahren.behter march april 40s ,50s.one that grew in winter had white petals.a mutant matching the snow.they can survive wher snows under a screen.wenn the snow melts they get sun.germination isn't same same places.pittsburg is sunny enuf that they will germinate all winter but harrisville further north will not germinate about after oct. but i had 1 nov 1st about and ontario village lagrange co. in. further north they tu about oct. 5th germinate but they germinate with less light in wenn warm nier spring late jan. feb. wenn is less sunlight is my obsevation.with less sunnynis can germinate late jan. ontario village.but i don't remeber exactly.oct 21 and feb 21st have about same light.they will grow nier in and mi. state line late feb may late jan. but about after oct. 4th 5th they don't germinate(or about).

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 04, 2019 03:12PM

too papaver setigerum d.c. will grow in a sunny window in a pot during the winter ontario village howe and harrisville pa..i havn't often don that thoh.uf my 17 planted in aug. or sept. while 70s and 80s only 3 stunted plants survive but with cooler wether maybe the larger one might bloom before it is too cold.uf hundreds uf seeds only 17.uf 17 only a few survivors.a screen becomes cuvered with snow.wenn snow melts it blocks the wind partly but allows sun.the plants somewat grow slowly then during winter and bloom a bit erlyyer.seems iesyyer tu grow the plants with not too much sun.meny hours uf sun drys the ground more.but some hours is necessary and they won't grow in shade.too much shade yung they grow but most will died before flowering time.i gave away meny seed packets may be nierly 3 duzin.because i redd they were rare partly.may be they are simular tu n.american wild flowers.they exist but are rarer and fewer that meny plants.a retired d.n.r. man sells nativamerican flowers in wisconsin.some persons i gavs seeds tu were drug abusors but mostly not.none were heroin addicts that i knew uf.i gav some seeds more purely the original seed tu an amishment selling farm stuff.i gave some perhaps tu flower sellers.one man with a greenhaus too i gave my livermere+ park seed bracteatum hybrid seeds tu.and may be setigerum d.c. seeds.my excess oxytana poppys i too gave away.i thawht because somewat rare if drug abusors some grew them.woold too help presev the flowers.but mostly the seeds went tu non drug abusors.none uf the drug abusors were habitual narcotic addicts.were potheds and weed and occasionally other drug abusors. some.not most.in pa. i havn't given them tu eny one i know huw uses drugs that i know uf.most in indiana were not drug abusors.they did bloom late june n.indiana nier mi. and pittsburg but pittsburg sunnyyer.but in pittsburg will germinate all winter if warm enuf.then a difference southward.wher light is less more north they don't grow until late jan. after oct 5th about and febuary harrisville more oct nierly was 1 or more about nov.1st and winter wenn the days are geting longer.then wher enuf sun wenn the wether is warm they sprout wher less they won't grow awhile until the days are geting longer but can live under snow.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 05, 2019 02:01PM

i realized in lagrange co. indiana that drug abusors didn't know much about garden flower poppys that contain thebaine,oripavine,codeine or morfine.but they coold find vicodin,codeine with tylenol,diladid and ultram,and oxycotin.were meth. addicts and cannibis sativa abusers .one person had been addicted once tu narcotic pills,one wasn't an addict but knew a person from ohio huw coold sell cannabis,cocaine and heroin or morfine.once nier in sturgis michigan a man was arrested with 100 lbs. or kilos uf morfine or heroin.a yung female now about midage says shie knew about that man and he once had sex with a deer.but around ther were meny narcotic addicts isn't urban much.rural,towns,small citys.wenn i had withrawl symptoms from my poppys the 3rd yier.1st in pot about 25 plants,then about 70 grown in yard.then about 150 grown in yard.the 150 were more and some were mixed with rhoeas .they too had been grown nier setigerum-somniferum hybrids.but at 1st new plants can have less bees that wenn establisht meny generations.orientale bracteaum and other oxyatana poppys don't have about eny bees obtain pollen from them.i think because poisonous too much.but large wasp occasionally.but the less poisonous setigerum hybrids bees obtain pollen from much more.but 1st yiers bees can be fewer than later yiers.i realized no big diel if a gardener ate these kind uf poppys and became addicted .the plants begin blooming fewer then piek uf bloom then agan fewer until none.then some later ones are tu taperoff with if one feels ill.i hav seen meny poppy gardens.setigerum-somniferums,orientale or partlys,rarely paucifoliatum,rhoeas,pinnatifidum.was perhaps 300 pods about the aldrich place now conservation not 300 plants.poppy growers ages are usually older 60s,70s,80s.too and orientale their ages uf deth apparently often 80s around yier 2000.numerous lived older than average.poppy growers some are yunger but is more an older persons thing tu du.not meny are in the high drug abuse age grupe.drug abusors are late teens,20s,30s most.but i did realize a person coold iet their pods.one garden hybrid setigerum-somniferum tasted like an edible vegitable cookt green.green pods don't have ripe seeds usually.they setigerum hybrids they dry straw tasted like whiet a bit.the seed taste unique.after mixed with the pink ones was wat seemd a good oil noticible but wasn't for sure same flavor may be the flavor different.but i did realize if some one grew meny pods.waited until harvesting all pods then ate all their pods and the pods narcotic enuf they coold be mildly addicted and hav nuthing tu taperoff with.but i don't know uf eny person in eny country or state ever huw has ieten all their ripe poppy pods.yes i know uf very few instances uf drug abusors ieting a rhoeas or something.paris area addict in france coold buy pacobor.different plants including dryed opium poppy and some other chemical stuff.too o.t.c. narcotic coff syrups.last time i was in paris was an ad for codeine bubblegum.the addicts around woold get sick.may be get drunk or take o.t.c. valium.once in while some dinacode coffsyrup.some countrys resrticted orientale,others bracteatum some setigerum.north korea outlawd all poppys.i was told in iran yue coold buy opium poppys the market place.then yue cook them with rice inside.simular tu a stufft pepper that makes yue sleepy i guess.while cooking some uf the nacotic with water coold evapored away.coold may be vaporize part.not meny drug addicts in france prowl for poppys.in england are somniferum,setigerum,probablely hybrids.but diareia medicine had a little morfine.most guvernments allow these or some coff syrups,codeine pills,diahreia medicine,and ultram o.t.c. was in canada but i think that can make yue sicker than codeine and can effect yor thyroid?but u.s. and other lands may be some persons rarely stiel poppys.i know uf one woman huw probablely a drug abusor stole some uf hir flower pods.too why illegalize all orientales,bracteatums or setigerums.yue coold forbid convicted criminals only from growing them.or yue coold issue permits.for violation luse permission.that too coold be dun with somniferums for gardens.can't hav a criminal record.if lanced for opium luse yoe permit.too yue coold place numerically approximate limits.can't grow more than 1000 without a permits bracteatum.orientale,setigerum.but huw woold grow meny uf the 1st tuw except for seeds tu sell,plants too or science or chemicals.only 150 oxytana kinds made me dayly sick.wher i livd was well water that the poppy substances coold soak intu.chronic acid problems.too setigerum is tu grow because less poisonous.bees will gather pollen and other insects.yorself with 150 not about feel sick and not in winter and after blooming.much pollen can drift in the air.i did notice more salt seemd from pollen but much sick no.and persons have children and pets.orientale bracteaum growers grow fewer poppys than the setigerum somniferum growers but some uf the 2nd did grow few.and sometime a persons with oxytanas may hav meny.but oxtanas make most persons sicker i believ. and they were sofisticated because most didn't grow meny.i lernd the hardway.1st i got sick then i reduced them.behter tu grow the less poisonous annuals.if the others oxytana few and not nier wher yue are a lot.i senced in a vicinity wat seemd chemical effects from the precence uf only a few plants that i numerous times past.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 05, 2019 02:37PM

with a chiep bracteaum,orientale,pseudo orientale,paucifolitum,setigerum,pinnatifidum growers licence yue coold then have a record uf legal flower growers.but one thing gardeners some times due is they give plants or seeds tu other persons huw like their plants.but all but pinnatifud some guvernment have outlawed these garden flowers.over time too garden popyys become hybridized.they mix with other gardens.appierences change.and they can mix with other species.my estimate compared tu somniferum pod size and opium yield i redd about is that about 70 full setigerum size capsules yield about 1 gram uf sap.most about i'v had is 150 capsules often less.apparently chemically are varibable.wat is in the saps isn't exactly the same.the u.n.d.o.c. japanese scientist too obtained about 1 gram from 70 pods.not much drug truely.then wenn yue legalize licenced flower growing and have 700 orientale poppys lanced and look sick and ordered the u.s. military's dihydroetorfine recipee and just bawht all the ingrediants tu make methyl ethyl ketone because they can't buy that and can't afford the bribe.yue know huws growing them.is on yor list.but why allow eny person tu grow that meny enuf for 10 grams 200 miligrams uf thebaine but less drug can be made than that 200 milligrams because must be purified unless it is for selling flowers seeds,flower pods tu florist with permits and number limits.then set a limit for gardens about 25 maximum flowers about.green pods can be remuved if too meny.but yard have sizes then a very large yard yue coold allow more 50 or 100.but that is less.with the know how and equipment and chemicals they coold only make small illegal amounts at most.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 07, 2019 03:43PM

the yier i got a bit sick i had 150 capsules meny uf full setigerum size.if yue figure a person ieting 100 milligrams morfine 2 days may be has 4%tu 6% tolerance tu morfine.then 4tu6 milligrams tolerance woold cause not severe narcotic withrawl but intestinal discomfort,watery eyes,runy nose.but i ate the setigerum hybrid plants for at liest 3 weeks.150 fully develloped pods about 2 grams uf sap.but they were dry capsules mostly.20 days 2% perday about 36% tolerance.then about sap amount .77 uf a gram.if were simular tu the u.n.d.o.c. or czech scientists slavik and slavikova.2.5 uf 100 milligrams x2 5% uf 100 is 5 milligrams.150/20 is 7 capsules.but more are during piek blooming.but about 7 perday.1/10 uf gram if 100 milligrams uf sap had morfine and codeine equivalent uf 6% morfine then 6 millgrams tolerance simular tu 2.2 milligrams uf morfine.not exactly but i got a little intestinal discomfort and ate wat i had remaining some wenn i felt this discomfort and dayly less and didn't hav much truble tapperingoff.but the other time were more stunted plants.not meny fullsize capsules and only 70 about.because stunted then size volume coold be may be 1/4 .then amount consumed may been 1/8th amount and i didn't luse eny sleep,had no intestinal discomfort and may be only had a moister nose and eyes but not certinly.but if yue iet codeine 30 7 days then wat.5 milligrams equivalent morfine.wat about 4 pills perday.20 morfine equivalent with may be about 1/6th tolerance more than 3 milligrams.then may be yue get a moist nose more watery eyes simular tu being in cold air.then some ieting uf setigerum capsules and not meny often can cause no withrawl symptom or next tu nil.but garden flower i believ after a while are hybrids with other kinds uf poppys.the setigerums coold become mixted with rhoeas or partial somniferums,somniferums and other kinds uf poppys.once after mix with rhoeas i ate only about 2 little pods and felt simular tu wenn i ate my grands muther's blud pressure pills.much slugish and sat a long time on a bench.too the u.s.d.j.'s plants had average more papaverine and very much noscapine 10% average about.but only .1% the japanese u.n.d.o.c. sample and was simular if a remember the czech sample that the sap tu the u.n.d.o.c..and other de valva found plants with little or nuthing.but plants hybridize.too de valva if he sample the wild plants those have less chemicals.i had a hybrid plant that didn't seem narcotic one bit.if not that those plants were wild then because hybridization possibly lost their ability tu make narcotic chemicals.if truely around ther no drug may be a hybrid strain.may be that one growable for seeds.but may be only a poorer environment if wild ones tested and less chemicals.simular tu chieper mexican coffees.behter mexican coffes have more coffeine but arn't very potent.i was duing a little thinking.if yue grew a large setigerum farm crop yue coold have trubles.drug abusors in yor fields during the night stieling poopy plants and flower pods.worse wat if the method was all the ripe pods and seeds in a semitruck and armed criminals wanted yor entire truck and pods and seeds.wat if the seeds remuved 1st.o.k. only about seeds in yore trucks but wat about the hundreds uf acres uf pods containing codeine morfine morfine codeine.wat due yue say wenn the drug abusors show up tu help yue dispose uf yore straw pods?or off tu buy the entire bunch uf straw pods?uh i think then behter tu grow the de valva strain if turely non narcotic and not only poverty uf environment and regulate growing large fields.requiring extra security mesures and proper disposal uf straw.like mixing it immediately after harvest with hay or grain.or placing in a lockt bin tu sell tu farmiseutic companys.behter than a somniferum partly for noscapine only the u.s.d.j. strain because not much narcotic but much noscapine but the pods are smaller.a hybrid with a somniferum pod probablely can be developed.then more noscapine.the smaller setigerum size has some yield that way too.too my liveremere was bawht as allegro oriental poppy.but i figure was a livermere because looked like bracteatums.my reds may be novel red too uf the wild hybrid with red purple garden hybrids and they are uf the pinks too.but may be livermere or orientale bracteatum.i ate park seed bracteatum a bit and the "allegro" that lookt like a bracteatum and then livermere.is a noticable difference.the botanist thawht a strain uf bracteaum or orientale bracteaum.my hybrid wild italian setugerums 1st taste like a blue swimingpool the mediterrenian noticable.but after generations iech generation seemed more and more like wher grown in america.wat coold be senced changed.i too thawht may be bracteaum by taste and pollen and appierence wat coold be senced and may be the difference environmental from being grown in europe generations and america.something senceable different from the iranian bracteatums park seed.those i doubt fully pure because one plant had a cone shaped stima pod cap with a point.but basically bracteatum.then i realized wild bracteatum in iran too has hybrids.the other plants all looked normally bracteatum.too is a presumption that originally from the wild.too i bawht turkenlouise,and numerous other kinds uf orientale poppys.one was orange bright orange very typical orientale poppy.red was the" allegro" livermere and lookt fully bracteatum but not completely the same by taste and other.partly seemd a bit simular tu the orange oriental.i came tu a simular conclusion party an orientale+bracteatum or from being grown in europe and america became different seeming but bracteaum but did seem like the orangish orientale.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 07, 2019 04:19PM

i hav thawht more than once that the setigerum is a usable plant.the wild hybrid straw stalks tasted good reminded me uf criem uf whiet cerial.the cookt green somniferum?+setigerum pod tasted like a green cookt vegitable.but the roots are tuff like green tree branches wooden partly but some starch but sanguinarine cause blindnis.they look more the shape uf rhoeas roots than somniferum roots.too the seeds taste good but different flavor than somniferum seeds and are smaller seeds. a word uf caution garden plants hybridize and yue can't be sure wat yue are ieting.and setigerum tested had chemical differences.too the flora italiana setigerum had an upturnd pod,black bloches vanished from mine then that probablely a hybrid trait from another species.yellow pollen may be hybrid.chemical differences too may come from hybidization.farming on a large scale woold need regulation but isn't much problem about gardens.too on a different scale small fields or large gardens tu raise seeds for flowers and tu sell dryed pods.may be something like a fishing licence or hunting licence if growing 1000s uf plants only.too i think and i wrote about this a bit that australian thebaine poppys isn't total clever.if only 1/1000 was stolen or diverted tu a dihydroetofine maker woold not exactly be like the entire australian crop being sold for drug abuse mostly if morfine poppys.but part is lost during refinement then 50% more if stolen or more.cuntries with bracteaum and orientale or pseudo oriental illegal coold sell licences tu grow the non indiginous plants in japan,australia and other countries and setigerum too.simular tu auto or hunting or fishing.violation coold cause loss uf licence and limits uf flowers coold be established say 25 maximum.codeine obtained transformed tu codeinone then thebaine the etorfine is a more iesy sorce.those pills sold for as little as about 10$ for 900 milligrams 30 pills. in the 1990s.and more too.900 tu 600 tu 400 tu about 250 uf etorfine= 250 grams morfine.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 07, 2019 05:09PM

i hav ieten nudicaule,orientale,bracteaum,paucifoliatum,rhoeas,pinnatifidum,setigerum hybrids,and simular plants like butter cups ,poppytree lieves and other plants not papaver but simular.the setigerum hybrids the most fude like and liest poisonous uf all the legal poppys i've ieten.the wild setigerum straw reminded me uf whiet cerial,the cooked green unripe setigerum-somniferum pod like a vegitable cookt.the seeds taste o.k..papaverine can cause glaucoma.seemed impruved my blud vessles after the occasional consumption but i believ that true can effect yor eyes.not exactly.but i hav thawht that this plant may be usefull not only for chemicals but fude.but the wild plants i believ are all uf hybrid ancestry but some may be the pure setigerum kind and meny genetically hybrid like black bloch from another species,a bit somniferum purple,an upturning capsule and yellow pollen may be that.pinnatifidum and some other kinds have yellow pollen.the overall chemical amounts uf u.s.j.d.noscapine,papaverine,codeine and morfine nierly as much as 20 % uf the chemicals in the sap latex.but some nierly 1/2 that and main chemical morfine.about 6%.8 fully size somniferum capsule produce a gram uf sap about but about 70 full size setigerum capsules.the one ladys "oriental poppys" that were peony or carnation like lookted simular tu olympia orange.that pollen looks partly greyish.the olympia orange.orientale poppys have roots not tuff but soft.perrenials store more starch.large scale setigerum poppy farming needs regulation except if a non narcotic strain exist.only 1000s for flower pods,and seeds coold have a licence different like fishermen.tu pay the buraucratic cost uf maintaing a growers list and checking their backgrounds.too 1000 pods tu pod sellers licenced but may be not if stores only buy 100 or less.pinnatifidum and other poppys were illegal in north korea. that one simular tu setigerum but looks more like rhoeas and is another common garden variety.it produces about 2% oripavine and 1% thebaine.oripavine potency is uncertin but about same as morfine tu 1/2 as much.but pinnatifidum contains more uf a protopine-berberine kind uf poison.both produce more narcotics that thebaine but most oxytana unhybrided more thebaine than oripavine.the bracteatum orientale mostly oripavine.those kind have more protopine poison than setigerum.one reason why a setigerum garden can be less poisonous.but garden plants can hybridize.insects don't much feed on oxytana poppys prefering setigerum hybrids.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 08, 2019 11:56AM

since 2007 oripavine too is a controld substance schedule 2 d.e.a. code number 9300.thoh only somniferum illegal but if only grown for flowers mostly unenforced that law tu make oripavine,thebaine,codeine or morfine is a felony.yue can grow paucifoliatum,pseudo orientale,orientale,bracteatum,pinnatifidum and setigerum but is a crime tu makes eny uf the abuv chemicals.thebaine isn't a nacotic.some literature describes thebaine as a narcotic.it isn't but simular partly tu naloxone and strynine poison.from thebaine narcotics can be made.i woold guess in japan too illegal market codeine can be bawht.one bottle uf only 30 pills may be possibely transformd intu nierly as much thebaine yue coold get from 700 dry bracteatum pods.yue can grow that meny bracteatums without getting sick.200 hundred but depends on flower numbers.too thebaine is much in the oxytana roots.a undryd roots is numerous grams but probablely less than 1 gram dry weiht(weight).some oxytana if i remember about 2%.then from roots more can be be obtaind.but that being so is much iesyyer tu buy some codeine than grow hundreds uf poisonous poppys.but isn't a nativ plant tu japan.is pretty bracteatums.these modern times california poppys grow in spain.japanese cherry trees in d.c. .meny plants are grown in gardens in lands they aren't from.and agricultural plants too.coffee,cacao,bananas,whiet,potatoes and meny other crops are grow in other lands too.some plants like wild carrots in the u.s..hunysuckle bushes in woods too aren't u.s. american nativ plants but gone wild in america u.s..i favor preserving u.s. nativ plants.seeds awht tu be available sold by conservation or licenced.seeds gathered grown part replanted in place gather from.the grown ones in a field,farm or garden sold for u.s. yards and gardens.but too i favor some forin plants useful for fude and medicine and tu preserv some if an astroid,super volcano,or nuclear war destroyed part but not all the erth.bracteatum isn't a nativ japanese plant.yue can actually sell licences from plant and seed sellers or post offices or catalogues and online with a valid i.d. number uf some kind.and use the munie tu pay for maintaining a bracteatum garden grow list and too limit tu 25 average flowers maximum.if more flowers yue coold impose a fine for iech extra flower.but old persons mostly grow poppys.then allow occasionaly going over 5 flowers because the old 80s lady doesn't often wonder around hir yard and didn't know extra grew that yier.too for setigerum japan and australia coold allow those less poison setigerum d.c.s.but the pink ones may be had as meny as 15 pods,some have 1 and 2 mostly sometimes a 3rd.the pinks were hybrid plants not only setigerum d.c. kind uf plants.but garden plants due hybridize with other gardens .garden annual plants can partly change because uf that.but some kind uf ripe flower pod limit can be.flower pod and seed growers a different licence allowed tu grow more and pod sellers licence 1000s tu shops with licences uf another kind tu purchaise may a hundred and less and customers may be a duzin or some behter number and no licence for the dry decorative pods or pod.but wher setigerum is legal for large farms may be needed the licence,barbed wire metal fence 10ft.tall.hidden cameras with signs saying is video surveillance required by law.armed transporters uf eny pods but not uf seeds. meny security requirements including pods only tu large amount pod sellers and chemical co.s or mixed intu sillage or feed or plowed intu the field.because this plant may really be an under utilized resorce.it is a potential seed sorce and sorce partly uf noscapine.a somniferum with a large pod hybridized with a noscapine setigerum strain coold produce much noscapine.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 08, 2019 12:18PM

iestcarnegie edge uf pittsburg pa. u.s.a. alter street between bert's way and idlewood ave north side uf alter street about nier fence but about iest uf brick home and about west uf outside garage is a tall plant with lieves like corn and wat looks simular tu a corn tassle on top.but that isn't a tastle but has seeds simular tu small popcorn in size wenn ripe.it is in a very small field that is mowed in the fall.that may be a smaller roadside wild grass+corn hybrid.it is a perrenial.if so from those maybe can be bred perrenial corn if bred with corn those kinds uf hybids.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 08, 2019 12:26PM

correction sp. not nacotic but narcotic and not yue can but yue cannot grow meny bracteatums because meny make yue sick and ill.and orientale meny and pseudo orientale meny plants will make yue sick.most gardeners grow few.but not all.if yue think yue coold live nier a field uf thausands i believ yue are wrong except yue woold be ill at liest part uf the time if yue didn't have well water.with a well the poisons from the plants possible in some wells' waters after a while.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 08, 2019 01:30PM

the australian wrote that if classified as a different plant setigerum woold be legal but used that some chemicals the same as found in somniferum then classification as somniferum.that isn't scientific.paucifoliatum,pseudo oriental,orientale and bracteatum all produce thebaine and oripavine.using that reasoning yue coold say paucifoliatum,orientale,and pseudo orientale because they have the same chemicals are subspecies uf bracteatum.may be partly are the same plants orientale and pseudo but certinly isn't paucifoliatum.paucifoliatum+bracteatum produces mostly but not totally sterile hybrids.from those hybrids few seeds can be grown wat look simular tu oriental poppys .the plants are larger and more fertile than the 1st hybrid plant that is simular tu paucifoliatum the size.bracteatum therfore and paucifoliatum are distinct species with some common chemicals.but oriental and pseudo orientale coold may be be some kinds uf hybrids part paucifoliatum part bracteatum.they coold may be or one kind or both be partly same species as bracteatum and partly different species.hybrid kinds uf plants.except for paucifoliatum and not certinly i believ they more iesyly hybridize with bracteatum.this too is why i woold not rule out some common ancestor somniferum and setigerums partly.that wild setigerums have hybridized with other papaver kinds apparently is so because traits than vanish visable in wild examples.like most wild plants they are hybrids.but setigerum has meny differences with somniferum.root,height,seedsize,pod size,lief shapes and size,germination temps,time tu blooming,chemicals.lief hairs lief tip bristle.orientale and bracteatum yung look about same and roots but bracteatum larger somewat stem and pods and darker seed but same size and some chemical differences.they have more simularities than setigerum and somniferum partly but are classified as different.and the height difference more simular and pod sizes but bracteatum and orientale heights and pod sizes more simular than somniferum and setigerum.and lief size.bracts is partly how tu know wat is a bracteatum.and can be taller and somewat larger pod.too orientale is not only red but orange.in armenia was found a field with full range uf appierences bracteatum tu orientale.i always considerd that the bracteatums,pseudo orientales and orientales woold iesyly mix but didn't bother or if i did forgot.but paucifolitum+bracteatum isn't much fertile is mostly sterile but 2nd generation plants simular appierences tu orientale and pseudo o..so i thawht may be those kinds are long time wild hybrid kinds uf paucifoliatum and bracteatum that obtained the orange from apricot and brick colored paucifoliatum.then are orange and red orientales and orange pseudo o..paucifoliatum is 2n=28 14+14 and orientale but pseudo o. 21+21 2n42.a natural hybrid paucifoliatum and bracteatum may be sometimes coold hav the paucifoliatum gene number.the pseudo orientale straw reminded me a bit uf somniferum dry straw but i havn't ieten much uf that except little straw bits in poppy seed containers and one dryd ornimental pod more than 40 yiers ago.but seemd a bit simular but other than that the simularities more like bracteatum and orientale and the ps.o. too was poisonous.i thawht then those may be had hybridized with somniferum in the past because somniferum grown in the same area.different plants too from same area may seem simular a bit because from the same environmental region.the root uf setigerum looks simular tu rhoeas drawing than the somniferum root.but all 4 kinds uf oxytana roots look some wat simular.the somniferum root is wider that the setigerum and rhoeas roots.somniferum 2n 22 setigerum 2n44 bracteaum 2n14 orientale 2n28.but setigerum actually looks more different from somniferum and has more chemical difference than bracteatum does from orientale but orientale does hav an orange petaled variety not only red.wat is for sure is this that setigerum is a distictly different kind uf plant from somniferum.wenn yue see purplish setigerum that may be from somniferum partly if full purple that somniferum purple.upturning capsule possiblely somniferum genes too.black blotch rhoeas and or another species uf black blotch poppy genes.the yellow pollen too may be uf another species but the white pollen setigerum genes but uf this i'm less sure because i havn't yet had eny with yellow pollen tu see if it rapidly or gradually vanishs.and same with the colored green pod tops and stigmas.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 08, 2019 02:44PM

serch poppy the genus papaver(books google)has 2 somniferum root fotos.root fotograf poppy 57 has the wider difference at the top but page 63 the longer kind uf root uf somniferum is more simular tu a setigerum root.but setigerum roots tend tu be more narrow.but is some simularity.papaver aculeatum can grow tu nierly 4 ft tall.i cooldn't quikly find imfo about hybrids made for lerning about papaver aculeatum.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 09, 2019 11:19AM

one sorce internet gave 1ft apart rows for opium poppys and within the rows 4 inches spacing.papaver setigerum is smaller growing a bit taller than 2ft. tall wenn not stunted but some hybids grow taller.then if setigerum was grown 6 inches apart rows and plants 2 inches within rows within the area uf 3 somniferum garden rows uf 3ft by 3ft. 9 somniferums per row and 3 rows.3x9=27 plants.6 setigerum rows and per row 18 plants 108 plants.same area.3square ft.27 somniferums with 8 flowers is about 1 gram uf sap per plant.yield 27 grams.but 108 setigerums except hybrids with 15 or 8 flowers usually well tended will only produce about 216 flowers.nierly 3 grams uf sap. a somniferum garden producing nierly 9 times as much sap as a setigerum garden.and the potency differs.more thebaine was in the japanese u.n.d.o.c. sample than their somniferum.it is a narcotic antidote.average about 6% x2.66 tu =16% their somniferum.9x2.66=25.these kinds coold be 25xs more narcotic morfine from a somniferum garden.the u.s.d.j. plants were a less narcotic kind producing more codeine.compared tu those not exactly but about 50 times more narcotic can be about wat a somniferum garden may hav compared tu a setigerum garden uf well tended plants within the same amount uf space.well tended setigerum plants produce only 1,2 and 3 flowers usually.then may be about 216 flowers but the amount uf narcotic much less than a pure somniferum garden 1/25th about 1/50th about.not much.growing somniferum knowingly is a crime but usually not enforced if only a flower garden.too potentially small amounts uf orpipavine coold be made from the 4 oxytana perrenials and pinnatifidum annuals.the amounts arn't much and probablely isn't worth about enyones truble or risking inprisonment for making oripavine by extraction.a dose uf heroin can be bawht for nierly the price uf a pack uf cigarettes these days.uf the setigerums if a person ate all their pods or sap from pods if the more potent may be some very mild about nuthing effects if ate the same day.that coold be dangerous too because the chemicals in them uncertin and after hybrided with rhoeas only 2 pods once made me ill.216 pods like that might kill yue.too isn't impossible if mixed with somniferum a potent narcotic effect but niether uf these probable because meny plants.but may be the more potent pods if ieten gradually allowing for tolerance tu develope thoh not very much if 216 ieten over weeks mild narcotic withdrawl symptoms possible.if that quantity.but if less may be the nose and eyes as on a cold day a more moist nose and too the eyes but simular no ill feeling.but only 10 well tended somniferums with 8 flowers perplant 80 flowersthe sap ieten or the pods ieten at once fatal narcotic overdose.ieten gradually over 20 days.is 4 pods or the sap perday.the person will hav withrawl symptoms if suddenly quit.but that person coold get a little from lieves and stems if that one had those.then the withrawl more gradual and less severely.some kinds uf setigerum not all perhaps 216 coold be ieten simular tu one rather full dose uf opium and no deth or no withrawl or nierly that and no ill feeling.but not so the somniferum garden insted deth and if ieten gradual but quit quik some withrawl symptoms uncomfortable.too mostly is narcotic pinnatifidum sap but pinnatifidums have more protopine-berberine one uf that kind uf poison.and this isn't sure setigerums are chemical variable.and the narcotic quantity less than the setigerum garden annuals.only a meager 2% oripavine and 1% thebaine.something simular tu a wieker setigerum strain if oripavine as potent as morfine but may be only half the effect uf morfine.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 09, 2019 11:30AM

wild setigerum has less narcotic about 1/6th.then 216 only 1/150th tu 1/300th the drug uf a small somniferum garden.and well tended setigerum gardens about 1/50th tu 1/25th the quantitys.the aldrch place plants were about 300 pods more than most places.the pink ones at 1st i think were the fewer pod kind and more like setigerum but with pink flowers and somniferum seed.wenn i obtaind them from the garbage in the alleyway i noticed that the plants had very meny pods about as much as 15.but if the 1,2,3 pods more setigerum like plants 40 well tended plants may not have 80 pods.may be numerous 1 poded ones,numerous 2,few 3.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 09, 2019 12:12PM

about garden somniferums.most because uf other kinds uf poppys probable become hybrided after numerous yiers.some not 1st generation setigerum somniferums had much morfine and others much thebaine.from ieting garden hybrids partly somniferum partly and setigerum and other species genes possible too non were very potent.the aldrich place ones had about 1/2 setigerum pods.some lief hairs fragile that iesyly fell off, bristle points at lief tip,somniferum sized 8 inch lieves,somniferum height,nierly 1/2 setigerum-somniferum sized pods ,and may been about 1% somniferum sized pods,somniferum black seed that turned grey quikly while drying and then dry and grey.the stem size only somniferum,seed,but pod size 1/2 about,lief size somniferum,hairs and bristle points setigerum.but were they from 1 hybrid or 2 or more?the plants were not very potent. pod size then possible were 1/2 and 1/2.because none uf the setigerum and somniferum hybrids were very potent i doubt that potent chemical remains after meny generations.but the aldrich place ones may be by chance wern't.the pinks had mixt with mine and may be via other gardens and the red-purple had mixt with my wild setigerum hybrids and other species and had grey pollen.too the plant had black blotches and meny sepal spikes like other species.setigerum has often sparse spikes sometimes none.one plant seemd tu hav no narcotic.after mixing and after a while seemd may be traces uf narcotic.then i thawht that setigerum may truely be a species that produces narcotic because the red possibely reverted tu a small amount slightly noticable after mixing.another red uf same parent seemd a bit narcotic.uf the red purples.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 09, 2019 12:37PM

tu determine for correctly wat setigerum is yue coold take the u.n.do.c.,czeck,australian,and u.s.d.j. samples and meny other varietys and cross pollinate them blending them.then grow meny generations in different locations tu avoid the possibilty that all coold retain a mutation or hybrid trait because locality.woold not be retained in all localitys grown.that can tu be don with somniferums.i noticed that one somniferum had black blotches.if setigerum doesn't truely and is a more simular poppy than other kinds tu somniferum may be somniferum doesn't too but wat thawht tu be somniferum only may have a hybrid trait or can be a mutation.but are meny kinds uf poppys with black blotches.i don't believ that setigerum truely does.black bloches diluted tu purple and then the purple dimisht remaining something close tu the original lighter purple.at liest most uf my plants.but serch papaver setigerum fotos and meny have black blotches.i believ that probabable a hybrid trait.mutation too is a possibility.mine originally had mutant white petal ends the rest light purple-white.after mixed with full petal pigmentation plants that mutation vanisht.truth is i think yue don't know wat a setigerum is until yue due this mixing uf numerous varietys and allow nature tu breedout most mutations and hybrid traits.this method can be applyd tu other poppys and other kinds uf plants.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 09, 2019 01:11PM

i used the wrong term.opium produced by extraction is lancing the capsule tu obtain sap.the sap uf the 4 oxytanas and pinnatifidum if yue mix it with water probablely some method tu add some substance or substances and obtain oripavine but that requires an exceptional guvernment permit .if yue don't have that is a felony and a felony tu conspire with another tu make illegally and thoh not made if yue had the chemicals and equipment yue coold land in jail.too i thawht because setigerum 2n=44 somniferum 2n=22 that a 2n=33 hybrid woold be that genes from all 3 chromosome sets woold mix and that 10% somniferum size 40% somniferum-setigerum size 50 setigerum sized pods but that isn't so.insted only one uf the setigerum chromosome grupes pairs with the somniferum one.those become mixt somniferum-setigerum but one setigerum chromosome group uf 11 remains unpaired=univalent and only setigerum with all mutations that may be unpaired with helthy ones.i may be correct about this that rarely if no mutations may not vanish.too if mutations arn't very important and few like only one mutation a fringe white gene.then may dimish slowly except might remain in the white petal fringe nitch if the trait appierd and the paired somniferum-setigerum set had the same.too i might be correct that if tuw somniferum setigerum hybids with different mutations mixed some tetra fourploid setigerum-somniferums then might be found amung the later generations.but by itself most univalent chromosomes probablely at liest a little sick.some defects coold be fatal ones not petal fringe color.and paired with self pollination with its twin with identicle defects cannot liv.only them paired the setigerum+somniferum 2 coold live.the sick setigerum twin+twin cooldn't.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 09, 2019 01:22PM

a fertile hybrid at 1st but 2nd generation if no tetraploids self pollinated then 25% deth but auwht(ought)tu be some 11+11 and 11+22.were 11+22 and 2n28.too some another wrote f2 began tu be some 11+11 2n22.later were mostly 2n22.auwht tu be some 11+11 f2 self pollinated.potebtially 25% 22+22 50% 11+22 25% 11+11 if self pollinated but were no 22+22.then those died.and at liest 5% infertility tu sterile male parts.i'm not sure but may been simular tu some plants uf mine with imperfect anthers or no anthers other that the bottom uf the filaments nier the capsule with zero pollen.if they all become 11+11 then are deths until that is so.some thing that occures with hybridization and mutations.are more deths until the other traits are gone or mostly after numerous generations.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 09, 2019 01:40PM

pubmed. gov(guv) about bracteatum pseudo orientale and oriental "suggested that bracteaum genome present in both polyploid species".this isn't certin i think coold be common tu 3 kinds but too that may be they are partly bracteatum partly not plants.because paucifoliatum+bracteaum 2nd generation looks simular.paucifoliatum apricot orange and brick redorange with red bracteatum redish orange.orientale orange can be partly simular tu the redorange and is an oranger orange than apricot.both paucifoliatum and bracteatum grow some common places but partly different elevations.then may be orientale a natural hybrid and partly because persons can mix the plants too.then if so partly same species partly different species.sp. correction potebtially is potentially i guess.but 25% 22+22 50% 11+22 25% 11+11 self pollination .but were zero 22+22.therfore those died.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 09, 2019 01:56PM

wiley online library irnterspecific crosses bracteatum (2n=14,p.oriental (2n=28).about the same 3 kinds found them more fertile cross pollinatated than self pollinated.the author "selfing" i presume self pollination produced less seeds that wenn the 3 kinds were crossed.i hav another idea about this.that the plants coold be all inbred and not only the ones used by the scientist but meny uf those kinds may then be too.and may be are partly same species and not.and benefited from crossing because mutant genes paired with non mutant ones from the other plant.most papaver genes are identicle.only some are the species genes.fully different species too can benifit from common papaver genes wenn a mutant+helthy non mutant.and if one or both partly same plant partly a different or different ones makes the species difference less.the benefit uf unhelthy mutants paired with helthy ones coold cause the hybrid kinds tu have more seeds than the self pollinated because mutations uf the unhybrided self pollinated plants.yue truely might check this that orientale and or pseudo orientale might be part paucifoliatum and bracteaum too.this can be dun but probablely is expensiv.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 09, 2019 02:14PM

this has bracteatum aa orientale aab1b1 pseudoorientale aab1b1b2b2.orientale+pseudo orientale lookt more simular tu orientale.by taste pseudo orientale tasted different.seemed somniferumish straw unlike bracteatum and orientale or paucifoliatum straw.may be then bracteatum bracteatum+paucifoliatum=orientale and that+another species pseudo orientale?but if aa is same species uf aa1b1b and aa1b1b same species as aa1b1b uf pseudo orientale that is aa1b1b2b2b?if so then may be bracteatum hybrid species orientale hybrid species pseudo orientale.bracteaum,bracteaum part paucifoliatum and that+another species mixt with?the 3rds straw seemd different that bracteaum,orientale and paucifoliatum.reminded me uf somniferum but not the chemicals that were more like the 1st 3 and looks more simular tu oriental and bracteatum.but may be somniferum and pseudo have grown in same environment seeming same part uf anatolia.too iranian bracteatums park seed were mostly bracteatum pod caps but one cone shaped pointed at the top apparent from another species and most wild plants are hybrids.that plant too other ways lookt bracteatum.therfore don't worry about park seed's bracteatum seed.they grow and most look pure.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 10:51AM

i believ i made an error wenn i wrote about pseudo or.and orientale.the reason pseodo orientale+orientale looks about like an orientale woold be partly an orientale and no bracts.pseudo orient. looks partly like orientale but has some bracts.this may be because tuw reasons.species dominance this is is dominant the non bract trait uf orientale.but about bracts.some bracts look simular sepal flower cuvering lieves.not as meny can look like small upper lieves and be lower on the stem but partly like a sepal lief too but more upper lieflike. this had me wundering.may be bracts are extra sepals because mutation and with a fusion uf lief genes with sepal genes can look like lieves mostly and partly like sepals.that bracts may be because mutations.if because mutations and orientale without that mutation too then can be bractless.then correctly is iether species hybrid dominant trait uf orientale or orientale without that mutation.then the hybrid looks about the same as an oriental poppy.the rd.500 ontario tu mongo northside uf rd. conservation mostly sterile hybrids don't have bracts i don't think because if they all had bracts i think i woold remember and i don't remember my "alegro"livermere that lookt like a bracteatum but seemd partly like an orange orientale+paucifoliatum hybrid having bracts.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 11:48AM

bracteatum has 7+7=14.orientale 14+14=28,pseudo orientale 21+21=42 and paucifoliatum too has 14+14=28.a mutant tetraploid 2n=28 bracteatum can more iesyly mix with orientale.but such wild mutants are probablely few.because if like somniferum+setigerum woold be usually except may be wenn the univalent gene very helthy only 7+14 1/2 1/4 7+7.1/4 tetraploid deths.and the 7+14 more gradually dying.then finally some 7+7 bracteatum orientale that coold mix with bracteatum.but such a mutant coold mix with orientale iesyly.14 mutant bracteatum+14 orientale.too coold more iesyly hav a decendent plant with paucifoliatum.perhaps more fertilely than normal bracteatum because woold be no univalent with mutations unpaired but woold be paired with the extra bracteatum chromosomes.and wenn only rarely was an offspring because few seed that grew they coold live and insted about ruffly 40% fertile seeds may be semi fertile a bit more fertilenis.and the plants wooldn't 75% dimish but coold agan mix with paucifoliatum or with an orientale.but a pseudo orientale 21+bracteatum 7 coold hav some offspring 14+14 7+7 but 21+21 may be usually deth because a mutant univalent+its twin.then because the different gene number these 3 kinds can't completely mix.the pseudo orientale+bracteatum wenn 14+14 coold too then mix more iesyly with paucifoliatum and iesyly and rather fertilely with orientale.then orientales that +some 2nd generation pseudo orient+bract.certinly not inbred then but uf at liest 3 plants.and some times less frequently with a rarer number uf paucifoliatum+orientals one that survived insects because seeds few and uf few seed survivors grew and therfore only rarely.the 2nd generation plant about semifertile possible.but are perrenials.can live meny yiers .the paucifoliatum+orientale mixing with iether paucifoliatum or orientale.then orientale mixing rarely with orientale-paucifoliatum,rare tetraploid bracteatum mutants,bracteatum pseudoorient.s with 14+14 3/4 pseudo orientale but because 3 sets +1 from bract. 1pseudo+bract 1 paired but the other 2 uf pseudo with different chromosome with different mutation or partly so.then some 14+14 3/4 pseudo 1/4 bract+orientale a 3/8 pseudo 1/8 bract 1/2 orientale.too if a bract.+paucifol 7+14 mixt agan with paucifoliatum then a 1/8th bracteatum 7/8 paucifol.wenn the 14 mixt with 14 uf paucifoliatum.but the 7 uf the bract pauc. coold mix with bracteatum and then a 3/4 bracteatum 1/4 paucifoliatum.but the one 7 uf the 14 bracteatum paucifoliatum woold be 1/2 bracteatum.then the 7/8th paucifoliat.1/8 bracteatum being too having 1/2 uf bracteatum genes on the one 7 but the other 7 paucifoliatum and the other 2 7s paucifoliatum.then a 1/2 and 1/8 plant too.because the different gene numbers may be why partly different plants.they can no longer fully interbreed with full fertility.they can benefit from crossing obtaining non mutant genes thoh but the different gene numbers will cause deths.able tu mix and not.orientale for example more able tu hybridize with paucifoliatum than bracteatum or pseudo o.and with offspring uf bract. pseudo o. 7+21 that arn't 7+21 but 14+14.and with rare bracteatum polyploid mutants.but wat bracteatum can mix with not the same and wat pseudo with not the same.the pseudo straw seemd different than other oxytanas that i grew.may be orientale and pseudo have more paucifoliatum mixture than bracteatum.orientale most iesy mixing with that species.but pseu o. +bract 2nd generation with 2n=28 14+14 but not the 7+21 ones coold too mix with paucifoliatum but iesly with orientale.then orientale more paucifoliatum than pseudo and too iesyly mixing with the 14+14 2nd generation bracteatum pseudo orientale hybrids.but exept for a rare mutant bracteatum tetraploid polyploid bracteatum less able tu mix with paucifoliatum.then liest paucifoliatum ancestry bracteaum.then next pseudo and most hybrized with that kind orientale.but orientale duing often very well asorbing intu their population the bracteaum pseudo orientales that are from 7+21 that are 14+14 or 14 uf that with 14 uf orientale.the paucifoliatum more the different kind.the bracteatum liest that,then pseudo then orientale that has pseudo o. some bracteatum and paucifoliatum ancestry.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 11:53AM

oh too another error possibely was wat the aldrich place plants were.if meny plants were grow at 1st from 3/4 somniferum,1/2 and 1/4 and setigerum 1/4 1/2 3/4 and were meny plants and traits selected by the grower eny of these by selection from meny grown yue coold obtain plants resembling the ones ther.then wat exactly uncertin.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 11:58AM

then wat bracteaum,pseudo orientale and orientale 2n14,2n28,2n42 are may be differently hybided plants than can't behave an otherway naturally because different gene numbers that partly are the same species and partly not but because different gene numbers only can remain partly different kinds uf plants.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 01:04PM

papaver gracile 2n=28 mixt more iesyly with setigerum 2n=44.but glaucum 2n=14 mixt more iesyly with somniferum2n22.then 14+22=36 gracile setigerum but 7+11 glaucum somniferum=18.bracteaum seed and setigerum seed is partly described differently but 2/3rd simular.the seeds colors are very simular and size too.atlas uf seeds and frutes iestern and central europe google books.dubium sub. species turbinatum 2n=28.asia minor caucasus mountins.papaver dubium lecoqii var.albiflorum.2n=28.meny capsule stigmas are 7.setigerum is often that same number 7.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 02:00PM

papaver sect. miltantha cylindricum had narcotine,oripiavine,rhoeadine,and thebaine but another plant from different place narcotine.an anatolian poppy.gunay sariyar istanbul university.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 02:41PM

papaver pulvinatum too is 2n=28 but not all.but taimyr russia isn't close tu wher setigerum 2n=44 grows.the tulip poppy has simular tu meny setigerums some morfine,codeine and thebaine but not as much as somniferums.it too grows in anatolia is red black blotches grows nierly 3ft.it has meny stigma too.somniferum has more stigmas that setigerums.coold a glaucum mix with a bracteatum.somniferum can a bit.setigerum mixt with pseudo orientale with about 40% seeds.behter than it mixt with the other annual rhoeas.and more fertilely than paucifoliatum and bracteatum which were simularly unfertile as rhoeas setigerum.if glaucum simular tu the somniferum bracteatum hybridization and setigerum pseudo orientale had meny seeds .but they plant only grew lieves then died.because both have black blotches and red petals and both are taller 3ft and 4 ft. may be a hybrid not cognized at 1st.woold look simular tu a bracteatum because the lieves but may be the color different but the flowers woold be red too and black blotches.the pollen colors are different.p.glaucum doesn't hav bracts.coold may be go unnoticed thoh.that a hybrid plant.both are 2n=14 thoh bracteatum and glaucum but somniferum 2n=22 is 11+11 not 7+7.somniferum can mix more iesyly with diploid plants setigerum with tetraploids like gracile and lecoqii and lecoqii var. albiflorum.simular bracteatum 2n=14 orientale 2n=28 but somniferum 2n=22 and 2n44 setigerum.orientale bracteatum or setigerum somniferum fields from crossing coold benefit but too the triploids' tetraploid offspring seeds uf both coold be deth and triploids diminish too more gradually.then close populations partly dimishing like tuw other kinds uf species.further apart field ones not.a barrier uf triploid offspring deth but benefit uf cross pollination.at 1st cross pollination benefit may offset the triploid deth but after a contually some dying because some triploids.iether the diploids will vanish in orientale and setigerum or as diploiids be absorbed intu the bracteatum and somniferum populations.but somniferums coold be more mixed with other diploids and setigerum with tetraploids and too be partial different species like orientale and bracteatum and partly races too.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 04:02PM

then coold somniferum be diploid setigerum +bracteatum then taller with mutant large seed,lieves mutant and bristleless tu make work iesyyer lieves with some shape difference tu distinguish that is a cultivated from a wild plant unmutant the morfine but mutant papaverine less and noscapine more.with more starch from bracteatum perrenial root genes.while setigerum mutant diploid that doesn't kill it much less mutant except narcotic amounts possiblely less because mutation and hybridization with unnarcotic poppys like lecoqii dubium and gracile.with the different gene numbers like orientale and bracteatum cannot fully mix and too hybidizing differently.but setigerum differs not only chemically but germination time and temperatures,seeds,lieves with bristle points,stigma number,lief type ,seed size,root partly too,and height.and pod size.that is more differences than papaver orientale and papaver bracteatum that germinated about same temps and blooming times and seed size about the same and but bracteatum with bracts somewat taller and somewat larger pods can hav.roots look about same but seed uf bracteatum nierly black orientale seed brown.their lieves look about the same.then too is possiblely only tuw species more simular tu iech other than most other papaver poppys.if partly different species but too the races and mutations coold be simular tu orientale or pseudo orientale and bracteatum partly same species partly that cannot fully mix and hybridize differently with iech other and other species.if the setigerum and somniferum same species and not theory with tetraploid with diploid deths the barrier and the opposite wenn crossing with other diploids the somniferum and setigerum other tetraploids.an orientale bracteatum diploid coold be absorbd intu the bracteatum population and the setigerum somniferum diploids intu the garden and wild and agricultural somniferum populations.but may be setigerum mostly with somniferum some that the non mutant genes benefit fertilty.the orientale pseudo o. and bracteatums crossed behter at 1st with iech other than selves.then may be at 1st a somniferumsetigerum with more seeds.but those seeds 25% tetraploids dying.some triploids must too not grow because gradually they die.if mostly 2n44 setigerum the 22 uf that plant coold mix intu all the setigerums with only less inbreeding.but self pollinated will dwindle 25+%at 1st eventually 75%.woold take 4 plants tu be 1 survivor after meny yiers.but if a bee crossed the plant the 22part+setigerum 22 woold survive with less inbreeding.the 11 part woold mix with setigerum 22 and agan if self pollinated 75% deth after a while.if was 4% somniferum setigerum2n33+ 96setigerum 2n44.with no cross pollination after yiers 1 somniferumsetigerum 96setigerum.but if crossed by bees the genes may be a benefit because less inbreeding the hybrid 22 mixing in boosting fertlity and plant number but the 11+22 causing deths.may be because so few only 4 uf 1hundred eventually might dieout the 11 lieving only agan 22 plants.but if setigerum 22 was a mutation the 11 coold potentially mutiply.the plant much reduced 75% from the 2n22 2n44 difference in number and only 11+11 mostly setigerum partly but not much somniferum but because less inbred too more than 25 plants.then may be 50 plants or 37.or?but being diploid mostly setigerum woold mix with eny fieldcrop,garden or wild somniferum.nier a somniferum farm coold become mostly somniferum plants.this dindling different wenn somniferums mixed with 4 setigerumssomniferums.those 4 uncrosspollinated 1 hybrid remains diploid wenn cross pollination occures by a bee is fully absorbd intu the population that becomes 1 194th setigerum.if all 4 crossed then numerous 4 triploid 4 diploids.triploid woold dieout until diploid.nier fields somniferum and setigerum.setigerum dwindling more than somniferum which may be coold become more from a little mixing.but if one somniferumsetigerum 99 setigerum and crossed and only the tetraploid grew not a triploid 22+22 not 11+22 the 2nd 22 being only setigerum then the setigerum possiblely becoming more than 100 because less inbred and some population incriese.an isolated setigerum field and an isolated somniferum field cooldn't mix.but nier they coold mix but somniferum less the luser except wenn a 22+22setigerum then gone the triploids and if only an 11 from the hybrid mixt with 11 uf somniferum no loss too.both coold gain if non mutant genes obtained and both that case become a little more.but zero mutations no deths except from the hybridizing uf species different genes.apparently the stems are uf tuw species.somniferum height dominant but a different species gene that not immediately but gradually dwindles without deliberate preservation.that nature only it gradually goes away like meny other hybrid traits and mutations.no mutations except if the polyploidy then may be gradually polyploidy vanishing but not always and different species genes from the mostly the kind uf species gene pool but that contains some other species genes.the other species genes dwindling until gone but too not always if is a benefit with the sicknis.but setigerum too is so different that may not only be the polyploid barrier and different hybridization but obvious tu me the plants due have hybrid traits that grow wild and are mutations.it may be a different but simular plant.and it and orientale and pseudoorientale may be partly different plants because the polyploid barriers and different mixings.too bracteatum may be the most pure uf bracteatums but one uf mine had a cone shaped pod cap with a point but not most and they coold mix with an orientale+bracteaum 7+14 turned 7+7 if the same occures with orientale and bracteatum as setigerum+somniferum.such ones' coold then more iesyly with bracteatum than orientale and be absorded intu the bracteatum population.wenn tuw species have zero mutations hybidization will only cause more deths but in a different kind uf nitch may be some benefit.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 04:15PM

uh.this is complicated because depends how much mutation plants have.but wenn meny common unhelthy genes in the population uf plants hybridization may benefit the plants by the obtaining uf some more helthy genes.the bracteaum,pseudo orientale and orientale were apparently partly genetically sick and more fertile crossed with iech other.the polyploidy uf plants may giv rise tu distinctly different plants that cannot hybrize the same or completely mix like a common species.this coold occure after hybridization.but then plants different that can't mix the same and with other species simular will mix differently.that coold give rise tu plants partly different races that have hybridized differently that partly are races and partly species differences.i suspect that may be wat bracteatum.pseudo o. and orientale are and that they have mixted with paucifoliatum but orientale the most.that those 3 because polyploidy can't hybrid the same being not only different grupes but partly different species and partly same species too.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 10, 2019 04:21PM

pubmed.gov imfo was iranian dubium and glaucum had all 3 chemicals morfine,codeine and thebaine.i doubt all strains uf "dubium" have that but may be most glaucums.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 11, 2019 01:27PM

another difference papaver setigerum d.c. and papaver somniferum is that setigerum rosette stage is about 30days somniferum 50 60 days.setigerum can bloom in about 60 days and 70 80.somniferum 75 90 days.the orientale can more isely mix with pseudo o. bracteatum f2 plants if 2n=28,paucifoliatum 2n=28 too.pseudo orientale 2n 35 become 2n28.and the bracteaum orientale part that is 14 but not the 7.and other pseudo o. or bracteatum with that number and mutant tetraploid bract

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 12, 2019 11:27AM

is international law.but may be kurdish controld suriye agree tu become an automous part uf turkiye.more kurds and some surians too coold live in a democracy.the dictator king assad's territory reduced and more kurds living under same guvernment partly.surian kurds too part uf turkiye or as an autonmous turkish protectorate uf kurdish controled suriye.this way more kurds partly under same guvernment and democracy too.the kurds coold invite turkish military in tu their area replacing the u.s. americans.an autonmous democracy part uf turkiye as a protectorate.not turkish kurdish war but as allies.yue kurdi persons coold be partly in same country more within the same with democracy.behter than being part uf suriye.don't fight the turks.negotiate too.being an autonmous part uf turkiye a behter arangement than part uf suriye.invite the turks in the replace u.s. as allies and have democratic elections.yue coold fully join turkey if yue voted for that.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 12, 2019 12:41PM

perrenial poppys live a long time and can mutiply by shoots off the main plant from which grows a new plant.the plants that looked like bracteatum paucifoliatum had multiplyed by new plants growing off root shoots from the main plants.some areas may have oxytana perrenials very old centurys or thausands uf yiers from roots that grew new plants.orientale 2n=28 14+14=28.+pauciloiatum 2n=28 14+14=28.hybrid 2n=28 14 orientale 14 pauc.=28.+orientale is 1/4 paucifoliatum 3/4 orientale.these hybrids 1st generation may be a bit more fertile than bracteatum paucifoliatum 7+14=21.those are mostly sterile wat was it 7 or 8 or 11 or 13 seeds fully grown.wasn't meny.but those hybrids can perhaps grow shoots new roots from which grow more plants.and then can be long lived and mutiply.isn't impossible that eventually some century or yier a second plant might grow from seed but seeds so few can all be ieten by hungry bugs.and may be a very long time before a new 2nd generation plant.but is some pollen that can be carried by insects tu another plant bracteatum or orientale.if the pseudo orientale mixs with orientale is 21+14=35.but if like setigerum somniferum 22+11=33 the unpaired chromosome set dies and too gradually dies and then 14 pseudo+14 orientale then probablely a plant with an amount uf meny seeds fertile.but the pollen uf the hybrid iesyly crossing with pseudo or orientale.can 2 ways cross as 21 or 14.as 14+pseudo then another 14+21=35 but 14+14 orientale as orientale 2n=28 14+14.as 21+pseudo 21 as pseudo orien. 2n=42 21+21=42.with orientale another 21+14=35 but mostly orientale.bracteat.with paucifoliat.7+14.can cross the 14 with orientale 7 paucifoliat. 7 1/2 pauc. 1/2 bract. and 14 orientale.a paucifol. 1/2 bract and orientale plant.with 1/2 oriental. 1/8 bracteat. and 3/8 paucifol.chromosomes but having 1/2 bracteat. 100 paucifoliat. and 100 orientale genes.the 7+14 bract. pauc. with bract. the 7 then 3/4 bract 100 uf genes 1/4 pauc. only.but with the 14 all pauc. genes univalent unpaired 7 and 7 1/2 bract. 1/2/ paucifoliatum.this may too gradual more deth uf 7+14 then only living 3/4 bracteatum 1/4 paucifoliatum 7+7 if same as setigerum+somniferum 22+11 all 22+22 dying usually but may be very genetically helthy survive some tetraploids then iech generation some triploids don't make it and die until only diploids.but these arn't annuals and can form a new plant if a hoof broke a root then 2 twin plants coold grow.the hybrid may liv a long life like a tree.but woold take meny generations for all triploids tu die.the different gene numbers uf bracteatum,pseudooientale and orientale.orientale can with bracteatum orientale 7+14 pair 1/2 the time with the 14.7 orientale 7 1/2 1/2 14 orientale and pseudo orientale and oriental 21+14.1/2 time pollen having 14 that is 1/2 pseudo o. 1/2 o.then +14 orientale=o.=2n28 1/4 pseudo o. 3/4 o..but with 100 %o.= orientale and 50% pseudo o. is pseudo orientale.no doubt paucifoliatum a different but simular species oxytana but the other 3 can cross more fertile with iech other than with self pollination.then wat truely may be but not certinly is 2n28 2n42 are mutants and 2n14 not.because that the plants have become 3 genetical things 1.different mutations possible partly or amounts,racial genes different a possibility and3. have hybrided different.then may be racial and species differences.that those 3 may be both races only uf the same species and different species because different hybridizations.then same species races and different species both those 2.the setigerum poppy does hav more difference with somniferum than orientale and bracteatum.orientale is not only red but orange too bracteatum is red.orientale seed about same but brown bracteatum seed darker nierly black coffee colored.numerous more differences are setigerum and somniferum.than orientale and bracteatum but setigerum and somniferum hybrids are rather fertile too.but a setigerum tu a somniferum is partly more like paucifoliatum tu bracteatum but those last tuw have simular seeds but pauc. brown seed but one short about as setigerum the other about somniferum.pauc. has grey pollen unlike purple uf the other 3 oxytana.i hav listed the setigerum somniferum differences.orientale about only seed color some, shorter,and petal color often orange not red and no bracts sepal lieves on stem insted uf only flower too that may be fused with lief genes some slightly lief others mostly.they cross more fertilely than self pollination orientale and bracteatum.but setigerum has more differences than orientale tu bracteatum with somniferum.germinates different time and temp,seeds size,rosette stage and maturation time,chemical,bristle on lief,shorter stem about paucifoliatum size,stigma numbers more simular tu lecoqii 7.root a bit more slender and tuff.2n=44 insted 2n=22 somniferum.lief shapes differ.but that plant with more differences than orientale and bracteatum crosses simularly fertile as an orientale+bracteatum hybrid.then too may be a race and species difference too and different gene number too.but too may be only a simular plant that iesyly hybrids.for sure is a different kinds uf plant.setigerum crosst iesyly with pseudo orientale nierly 40% seeds.with orientale may been iesyyer and wat about paucifol.one hybrid the red purple had grey pollen from and orientale?paucifoliatum or paucifoliatum.gradually vanisht that grey tu a greyish white then most gone or gone.1/75 rhoeas 74x2=148 and 1.149 and 1 rhoeas chromosome if were tetraploids +diploid rhoeas.2 uf 150 plants.then my plants at liest a trace rhoeas.

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Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 12, 2019 01:34PM

the oxytanas due grow in mountins with some over lap uf elevations with some possibiltys uf hybidizations.an armenia field had a full range uf apierences orientale tu bracteaum.but mountins have snow and rain.snow melts.mountins have streems and creeks that fill with water.setigerum grows around west mediterranian tu cyprus.some ancient setigerum d.c. stuff found on isreali island too.setigerum cross surprising tu me a bit iesyly with pseudorientale but the plants grew ,the lieves looked like pseudo o. lieves with hybrid setigerum color.they produced no flowers and died.meny seeds but no flowers only lieves.but somniferum partly simular and oxytanas may live tu flower in a greenhauas. i thawht may be if germinated in fall protected from cold some plants may be then flower.orientale and bracteaum don't often produce flowers until 2nd yier.some extra growth fall and spring too may be then some flowers.but if some setiferum wat the original chromosome 2n=?if were nier s.e.anatolian coest(coast)if an oxytana seed floeted(floated)down a streem or creek intu a river and the water subsided and it grew nier setigerum along a river then may be a bracteatum setigerum with a taller stem.taller stems vanished gradually amung my plants and then may be a different species gene dominant but that vanishes usually except wenn a gardener deliberately selects that and replants with r taller stem plants.my "allegro" livermere probablely+parkseed bracteaum produced a plant with a somniferum simular 2inch about 2 inch about pod but one way was longer a bit.too an orange orientale in lagrange lagrange co. indiana had a pod with an average uf 2 by 2.but bracteatum seed and setigerum seed very simular size color and orientale,pseudo o. pauc. seeds too all smaller than somniferum seed that is much larger.wher from larger seed if the stem from bracteatum or a tall orientale?the morfine is dominant and therfore the ancient setigerum if partly the somniferum ancestor had tu be less mutant or not hybrided with other species affecting the morfine production abilitys perhaps.thornless lieves a mutation selected less pricked by thorns.too some difference uf appierence coold make iesyyer tu know wat wild,partly and not.but warmer germination temp uf somniferum.may be too from another species.more narcotine a somniferummutation?but for sure i don't rule out that setigerum and somniferum only 2 different species from the begining simular that iesyly cross but wild setigerums have hybid ancestry and numerous apparently hybrid traits.setigerum cross suprisingly iesyly with pseudo orientale but is the barrier.the plants didn't flower and died.rarely they may be able tu flower if protected from wind.if floeted down a streem tu a river may be grow in warmer s.e. anatolia.nierer the setigerum environment.they grow in parts uf cyprus and were found remains uf setigerum on uf israel an island.but if i was a botanist i woold want tu check tu see if pseudo orientale and orientale have some paucifolium genes.d.n.a..coyote ancestry was found in american wolves.i suspect hybridization with paucifoliatum and bracteatum partly the papaver orientale origen.

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Re: Donald Trump cloud spotted over Chicago this weekend.
Posted by: r.w.s. ()
Date: October 12, 2019 02:37PM

sp. not apierences but appierences(appearances )the bracteaum paucifoliatum or conservation area hybrid simular lookt simular tu orientale but wasn't fully fertile. unlike the parent that lookd like a paucifoliatum with redorange insted uf apricot orange petals it was larger about 40% seeds and lookt more simular tu an oriental poppy but with less naturalnis.oriental poppys therfore may be a hybrid kind uf flower with a different gene number that effects how it hybridizes.but more natural than my hybrid.or only natural hybids may be too.partly a different species and not.setigerum possiblely because except paucifoliatum the oxytanas iesyly cross with iech other then if with pseudo orientale setigerum about 40% seeds may be with bracteaum numerous seeds.then possible from a lone bracteatum from the mountins that traveld down the water tu a streem and creek tu a river that subsided and grew possiblely a setigerum simular plant with nonmutant or hybrid the morfine amount but somniferum amount had a setigerum for its mate.warmer and growing fall,winter and spring bloomd and crosst agan.the mostly setigerum simular plant was taller.the person kept it and grew it.but if larger pods are not from somniferum in the bracteatum and orientale larger pod ones or a mutation or a mutation too from those kinds coold come larger pods.then a less mutant or hybrid setigerum like plant with much morfine and that one or those kinds and a larger plant,taller,large pod and may too warmer germination from those or another kind of poppy.ideal germination temp 59(air then nier 70) is closer tu orientale and bracteatum than setigerum that germinated 40 air temp 40s 50s but less well 60s.the setigerum then mixing with tetraploid lecoqii,more iesyly probable with orientale and paucifoliatum than somniferum does and with gracile more iesyly.but wher from larger somniferum seeds?and too the setigerum somniferum plant with somniferum-setigerum size pod wenn pollinated with rhoeas produced somniferum size seeds.but the rhoeas +setigerum hybrids had about setigerum size seeds.crossed with the same kind uf plant a part somniferum sized pod with somniferum seed size parents produced somniferum size seed but rhoeas and setigerum produced setigerum kind uf seed.same kind uf father but seeds like the muthers' seed kinds.lessening my believing somniferum seed mutant.but i du think orientale and pseudo orientale may be partly paucifoliatum partly bracteaum plants.setigerum differs more than orientale does with bracteatum from somniferum but crosses simularly fertilely as orientale and bracteatum.but setigerum shares some common petal colors partly.purple i don't think truely one uf them.but partly purple setigerum a little full purple somniferum descent and wild setigerum having traits from more than one other kind uf poppy.all probable uf hybrid ancestry with numerous other kinds uf poppys.yellow pollen too might be a hybrid trait.black bloches,upturning podstigma dry podcaps,part purple,taller stems,smaller or larger pods and some not most.one foto had simular lieves uf the garden"peony" kind and opium somniferum but that is rare may all be hybrid traits.i hav some seeds with smaller pods than setigerum about rhoeas size and part taller part normal size that i obtaind but with the sparse sepal spikes and lief tip thorn.agan by breeding meny generation is natural that plants revert or partly.tu identify plants behter this certinly no doubt is another way and genetics and d.n.a. too can be studyed.i woold like tu get a yellow pollen kind with the stigma coloration tu thow intu the mix with the other plants i hav.then just raise some yiers and then is the answer.some seeds and plants occasionally are for sale uf those kind.

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