Some day...perhaps we'll start to approach a medical disease as a medical disease...instead of a sin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7755664.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/5043766.stm

medical disease, addiction its all good prevention is better than crime bustin Vinke.

ferfux Wrote:
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> medical disease, addiction its all good prevention
> is better than crime bustin Vinke.


do you mind repeating that Ms?



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You reduce Heroine use by making it more accessible. Hmmm.

While I don't agree with George Will on a lot of things, I do agree with his sentiment that when you subsidize a certain behavior, you get more of that behavior.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGQdlbgXTFs


if billy idol says its cool. we should all go out and try it. thanks Vinke(1)!

ferfux Wrote:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGQdlbgXTFs
>
>
> if billy idol says its cool. we should all go out
> and try it. thanks Vinke(1)!


We need to regulate Heroin the way we regulate alcohol. Because, you know, nobody abuses alcohol or breaks the law while using it. And we know how having it legal has resulted in fewer people drinking.

Im abusing Alcohol right now and just waiting for Vinke to pop his head over the parapet again so I can abuse HIM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> You reduce Heroine use by making it more
> accessible. Hmmm.
>
> While I don't agree with George Will on a lot of
> things, I do agree with his sentiment that when
> you subsidize a certain behavior, you get more of
> that behavior.

Well..if the European action plan was nothing more then to "subsidize" heroine use you'd be right...but it's not. George's statement which which you seem to support is the typical response anything but prohibition gets in this country...even when faced with the facts and the science proving differently. As if efforts in prohibition have ever worked.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You reduce Heroine use by making it more
> > accessible. Hmmm.
> >
> > While I don't agree with George Will on a lot
> of
> > things, I do agree with his sentiment that when
> > you subsidize a certain behavior, you get more
> of
> > that behavior.
>
> Well..if the European action plan was nothing more
> then to "subsidize" heroine use you'd be
> right...but it's not. George's statement which
> which you seem to support is the typical response
> anything but prohibition gets in this
> country...even when faced with the facts and the
> science proving differently. As if efforts in
> prohibition have ever worked.


We have a legal prescription drug system that gets thoroughly abused already. Adding heroine to the mix doesn't make much sense.

How much is wasted enforcing our drug laws today? The waste dwarfs whatever it would cost to effectively manage a heroin addict. Providing the illegal drug market a monopoly is a form of subsidy you and George Will are refering to...if we want the uncontrolled distribution and maximum profiteering for the distribution of heroin....provide a monopoly to the distributors.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> How much is wasted enforcing our drug laws today?
> The waste dwarfs whatever it would cost to
> effectively manage a heroin addict. Providing the
> illegal drug market a monopoly is a form of
> subsidy you and George Will are refering to...if
> we want the uncontrolled distribution and maximum
> profiteering for the distribution of
> heroin....provide a monopoly to the distributors.


* In 2000, 43 percent of those who ended up in hospital emergency rooms from drug overdoses-nearly a half million people-were there because of misusing prescription drugs.
* In seven cities in 2000 (Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Seattle, and Washington, DC) 626 people died from overdose of painkillers and tranquilizers. By 2001, such deaths had increased in Miami and Chicago by 20 percent.
* From 1998 to 2000, the number of people entering an emergency room because of misusing hydrocodone (Vicodin) rose 48 percent, oxycodone (OxyContin) 108 percent, and methadone 63 percent. The rates are intensifying: from mid-2000 to mid-2001, oxycodone went up in emergency room visits 44 percent.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> How much is wasted enforcing our drug laws today?
> The waste dwarfs whatever it would cost to
> effectively manage a heroin addict.

tell me vinke, how does one "manage" a heroin drug? btw, injecting heroin and smoking crack cocaine are the two most addictive forms of drug abuse. seriously, just shoot up once with heroin and quit. it seems you have no idea what an addiction really is.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > How much is wasted enforcing our drug laws
> today?
> > The waste dwarfs whatever it would cost to
> > effectively manage a heroin addict.
>
> tell me vinke, how does one "manage" a heroin
> drug? btw, injecting heroin and smoking crack
> cocaine are the two most addictive forms of drug
> abuse. seriously, just shoot up once with heroin
> and quit. it seems you have no idea what an
> addiction really is.


Gravis...dear boy! What are you trying to say...you certainly arent reading what I wrote. I didnt say anything about managing a heroin drug...I said manage a heroin addict....a person..a person with an addiction...and that person...and their addiction certainly can be managed. It can be managed poorly as we do today...or effectivelty as the BBC News reported.

Como esta su punta madre Gravis?

double post.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> their addiction certainly can be
> managed. It can be managed poorly as we do
> today...or effectivelty as the BBC News reported.

you obviously dont know jack shit about heroin. so you think this is a great idea but do you even realize what will happen to the people taking heroin for an extended period of time? let me fill you in, it destroys their kidneys and they die.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Oh please stop with the stupidity. I am not espousing anyone getting addicted to heroin...what I am saying is that our current drug policies are ineffective and full of idealogue beliefs vs facts on how to deal with people who are addicted. Stop being such an asshole and sensationalizing everything thats posted on this site.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7757050.stm ...here you go...the Swiss passed the referendum



I like the way this thread is going! Lol...what a joke you are. Have you started paying rent to your parents yet?



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I am saying is that our current drug policies are
> ineffective and full of idealogue beliefs vs facts
> on how to deal with people who are addicted.

what are the "idealogue" beliefs in our current drug policies?


> Stop being such an asshole and sensationalizing
> everything thats posted on this site.

you really dont understand what heroin does to the human body. im not being sensational, it does destroy your kidneys and you really do die when they dont work.



"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I would use a heroine rationally if I could find one.

I would be up for using this heroine irrationally...

I did not approve of the heroine in Tomb Raider.

Angelina is hot.....But, I still vote for Jennifer.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I did not approve of the heroine in Tomb Raider.

how could you not approve?! what are you, gay?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> > I did not approve of the heroine in Tomb
> Raider.
>
> how could you not approve?! what are you, gay?


Politics aside, who wouldn't want to pound that shit?

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Politics aside, who wouldn't want to pound that
> shit?

apparently MrMephisto.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Im not saying I wouldnt...I would.

I find Jennifer to be hotter though.

YMMV





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I would not fuck Angelina Jolie. Nor would I fuck Pamela Anderson.

I would, however, fuck Elliot Spitzer's call girl. Delicious!

Jennifer Aniston is way hotter than Angelina Jolie.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Jennifer Aniston is way hotter than Angelina
> Jolie.

Totally. When I heard who Angelina's father was, and realized how much they look alike, it was totally ruined for me.

Angelina was turbo hot before she got all tatted up and became Brad Pitts personal sperm bank.

ITRADE Wrote:
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> Im not saying I wouldnt...I would.
>
> I find Jennifer to be hotter though.
>
> YMMV
>
> http://www.cadenaradialvision.com/imagenes/1207411
> 892jeniffer_aniston.jpg


Jennifer Aniston's "hotness" is inversely proportional to her high-maintenance neediness and whining.

OK boys and -yes- girls, here are two of what I'd say are equivalent pictures...

Vote now:

#1 Angelina (aka Brad Pitt's current sperm depository)


#2 Jennifer (aka Brad Pitt's former sperm repository)

I cast my vote for the one that doesn't look exactly like John Voight.