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Obama Imploding
Posted by: milk toast ()
Date: September 09, 2008 09:27PM

Obama seems confused.


Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: September 09, 2008 09:44PM

The funny thing is that the Hillary campaign was posting "he's a Muslim!" fear mongering posts here all throughout the Potomac Primaries. He needs to look to the Hillary camp for blame, they produced all the talking points.

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: September 10, 2008 12:25AM

Why doesn't he just come out and say these exact words, "I am NOT a muslim!"
I've heard him talk about his christian faith and his former church, but I wish he'd put an end to all this by saying those 5 simple words.

If it turns out he IS a muslim, he's cooked. Might as well clear the air now, rather than later.

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: milk toast ()
Date: September 10, 2008 12:36AM

"Why doesn't he just come out and say these exact words, "I am NOT a muslim!"

Because he doesn't to piss off blacks and white liberals. Hello.

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: milk toast ()
Date: September 10, 2008 12:43AM

correction:

Because he doesn't WANT to piss off blacks and liberals. HELLO?? Do you hear me now?

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: Lopter ()
Date: September 10, 2008 09:34AM

milk toast Wrote:
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> "Why doesn't he just come out and say these exact
> words, "I am NOT a muslim!"
>
> Because he doesn't to piss off blacks and white
> liberals. Hello.

Welcome to 7 months ago.

Obama has said many times he is a Christian and has been one for many years.

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: September 10, 2008 09:42AM

Lopter Wrote:

> Obama has said many times he is a Christian and
> has been one for many years.


Not the same as saying he is not now and never was a muslim.

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: Can't do it ()
Date: September 10, 2008 09:57AM

Numbers Wrote:
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> Lopter Wrote:
>
> > Obama has said many times he is a Christian and
> > has been one for many years.
>
>
> Not the same as saying he is not now and never was
> a muslim.

He can't say he was NEVER a muslim. It would be a lie. I believe his sincerity when he states he is a Christian now, however when he was enrolled in Catholic school in Indonesia documents show he registered as a Muslim.

Re: Obama Imploding
Date: September 10, 2008 10:30AM

Sarah Palin took $233 million in taxpayer dollars for the Bridge to Nowhere. She didn't build the bridge and she didn't give the money back. Tell Sarah to "Give Back the MONEY!"

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: Jittery ()
Date: September 10, 2008 10:39AM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Sarah Palin took $233 million in taxpayer dollars
> for the Bridge to Nowhere. She didn't build the
> bridge and she didn't give the money back. Tell
> Sarah to "Give Back the MONEY!"


Yeah, I think we got the picture when you created a whole thread devoted to that same idea. You seemed panicked this morning posting the same statements in multiple threads. Too much coffee or panic over the Obama campaign.

Re: Obama Imploding
Date: September 10, 2008 10:51AM

Jittery Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sarah Palin took $233 million in taxpayer
> dollars
> > for the Bridge to Nowhere. She didn't build the
> > bridge and she didn't give the money back. Tell
> > Sarah to "Give Back the MONEY!"
>
>
> Yeah, I think we got the picture when you created
> a whole thread devoted to that same idea. You
> seemed panicked this morning posting the same
> statements in multiple threads. Too much coffee
> or panic over the Obama campaign.

I'm not panicked. I am offended by her taking my tax dollars and then claiming she didn't want the bridge. I want my money back!

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: Jittery ()
Date: September 10, 2008 11:04AM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Jittery Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Sarah Palin took $233 million in taxpayer
> > dollars
> > > for the Bridge to Nowhere. She didn't build
> the
> > > bridge and she didn't give the money back.
> Tell
> > > Sarah to "Give Back the MONEY!"
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I think we got the picture when you
> created
> > a whole thread devoted to that same idea. You
> > seemed panicked this morning posting the same
> > statements in multiple threads. Too much
> coffee
> > or panic over the Obama campaign.
>
> I'm not panicked. I am offended by her taking my
> tax dollars and then claiming she didn't want the
> bridge. I want my money back!

$233M? What's your share? There are a 117 million taxpayers in the United States. There are also other sources of revenues bedides federal income tax. At MOST, your share is about a fin. Send me your address, and I will be happy to send you the five bucks if you need it that bad. The money was used on other projects. Quite honestly, I would rather see money diverted to projects that can be completed rather than some crap. I wish every governor had the power to shift the money around as they see fit in their home state. I agree Palin is going into the earmark argument with unclean hands, but whining about the bridge to nowhere is a bit hypocritical for Obama when he requested cash for his wife's employer where she serves as a VP making over $250K?

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: September 10, 2008 11:19AM

In 2002 it was projected that about 47% of revenues in 2006 would be from individual income taxes. In 2007 there were 139.3 million returns filed (not 117).

So using these rough numbers that mix years a little but should all be in the same ballpark, $233M / 139.3M returns = $1.67 per filed return. 47% of that is 78 and a half cents. Every taxpayer had less than a buck in it.

How about someone here give him a whole dollar, which will give him a 28% return on his investment? Maybe with that he'll go away and not come back until he provides some research into things that are easily quantifiable. I mean, to even use the plural and say "my tax dollars" was incorrect... it wasn't even his "tax dollar."

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: Jittery ()
Date: September 10, 2008 11:24AM

pgens Wrote:
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> In 2002 it was projected that about 47% of
> revenues in 2006 would be from individual income
> taxes. In 2007 there were 139.3 million returns
> filed (not 117).
>
> So using these rough numbers that mix years a
> little but should all be in the same ballpark,
> $233M / 139.3M returns = $1.67 per filed return.
> 47% of that is 78 and a half cents. Every
> taxpayer had less than a buck in it.
>
> How about someone here give him a whole dollar,
> which will give him a 28% return on his
> investment? Maybe with that he'll go away and not
> come back until he provides some research into
> things that are easily quantifiable. I mean, to
> even use the plural and say "my tax dollars" was
> incorrect... it wasn't even his "tax dollar."

Thanks for the correction, I was going off of '06 numbers. He is always talking about how well off he is and how he will retire early, etc. so I didn't want to insult his delicate sensibilities by only assuming he would be the "average" taxpayer. A man as smart and good with money as he is certainly has to be in the top 1%. Either way, $5 is money well spent if he will simply go away.

Re: Obama Imploding
Date: September 10, 2008 11:26AM

Jittery Wrote:
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>
> $233M? What's your share?

They can put it toward the $10 Trillion deficit the Republicans have run up.

Re: Obama Imploding
Date: September 10, 2008 11:26AM

pgens Wrote:
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> In 2002 it was projected that about 47% of
> revenues in 2006 would be from individual income
> taxes. In 2007 there were 139.3 million returns
> filed (not 117).
>
> So using these rough numbers that mix years a
> little but should all be in the same ballpark,
> $233M / 139.3M returns = $1.67 per filed return.
> 47% of that is 78 and a half cents. Every
> taxpayer had less than a buck in it.
>
> How about someone here give him a whole dollar,
> which will give him a 28% return on his
> investment? Maybe with that he'll go away and not
> come back until he provides some research into
> things that are easily quantifiable. I mean, to
> even use the plural and say "my tax dollars" was
> incorrect... it wasn't even his "tax dollar."


They can put it toward the $10 Trillion deficit the Republicans have run up.

Re: Obama Imploding
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: September 10, 2008 12:06PM

Jittery Wrote:
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> Thanks for the correction, I was going off of '06
> numbers.

lol I didn't really mean it as a correction. I was glad to see someone actually take the time to look up numbers! It's easy to shout simple things like "Give me my money"... quite a different thing to actually look up the numbers to see what one is REALLY asking for. In this case it was under a dollar and it ended up being pretty funny.

I don't even take a position on the candidates... I just like to see some research involved in the arguments and thus far on both sides it has been lacking here. Then again, this is Fairfax Underground, not Politico.

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