Broken covenant Wrote:
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> WarMonger Wrote:
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> > Broken covenant Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > Just Sad Wrote:
> > >
> >
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> >
> > > -----
> > > > This must be what people mean when they say
> ,
> > > > "freedom isn't free". 26 people sacrificed
> > > > themselves for the cause of public gun
> > > ownership.
> > > > Lap it up conservitards, this clearly must
> be
> > > what
> > > > you wanted.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, when a bus accident kills 26 that's
> because
> > > liberals love public transportation? You're
> > post
> > > seems hatefilled to me as you accuse people
> of
> > > wanting this to happen. You don't really
> > believe
> > > that do you?
> >
> > Please. Guns are made for one purpose and
> that's
> > to kill people. A bus is made to move people
> from
> > one place to another. No comparison, not even a
> > good argument.
> >
> > Can a person be killed with a pumpkin, yes. But
> it
> > is much harder to do and takes much longer time
> > and effort.
> >
> > With a gun, made for the purpose of killing, it
> > just takes seconds to wipe out an entire
> school,
> > mall or movie theater.
>
>
> Your first statement is incorrect. Guns are made
> for more than just killing people. They are made
> for hunting, target shooting, starting races and
> several other reasons.
>
> I'm not sure what the point of your post is.
> Anyone making the point that any reasonable person
> wanted this to happen or that one party or the
> other is to blame for this is a partisan loon.
> Pointing out the inconsistencies of that arguement
> by using examples is not that hard.

Starter pistol? Fail. Below is a photo of the new Olympic standard in starter pistols developed by Omega. It was used this summer in London and will filter down to the lowest levels of track and field and swimming in the next few years.

After much research, it was determined that with a conventional starter's pistol there was a delay in the sound reaching the athletes furthest from the gun. This was especially a problem on track events with a staggered start.

This new starter pistol is electronic and there is a speaker mounted into each participant's starting blocks. This electronic starting system is designed so that the audible starting signal is projected from ALL of the speakers at precisely the same instant the trigger is pulled thus eliminating any competitive advantage gained under the old analog system.

It is important to note that despite the fact that this is an electronic starter gun, the Olympic committee could have directed Omega to design the gun in the shape of a traditional firearm...except they didn't. I wonder why?
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ICU Wrote:
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> Broken covenant Wrote:
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> > Barry Obama Wrote:
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> > > Gonna get 'em:
> > >
> > > The president calls for "meaningful action"
> in
> > > response to the Conn. tragedy.
> >
> >
> > The problem is not the guns, it is the debasing
> of
> > our society. FFXU provides ample examples of
> > divisive, crass, hateful, anti-social, angry
> > and/or mentally ill folks. I'd like to believe
> > that, when not sitting behind their computers,
> > these people are normal, compassionate,
> likeable
> > human beings.
>
>
> But one has to wonder what kind of
> > person gets enjoyment out of posts like the
> OP's.
>
> Typical liberal. Notice how the smoke hadn't even
> cleared this morning and they were already trying
> to blame Republicans?

I know! Damn liberal democrats making politic talk about this shooting. I'm a republican and I would never say anything about the shooting and politics.

That's why this shooting is a perfect example of democrats using stuff for political gain.

I heard a woman make a comment at 7-11 today and it made me feel sick.

She said "I hope and pray that at least some of the parents of the children that were killed were NRA members so they can feel the pain that the NRA has inflected on countless others"

I am a responsible gun owner but not an NRA member. I told this woman that I thought she was sick in the head. She gave me the finger as she drove off in her giant SUV.

Yes she looked like a fairly wealthy white lady and she had those dumb little reindeer clamp-on antlers on her ride. What a selfish, ignorant bitch!

This how the libs and democrat advance gun control, they get a normal lib democrat like "lanzie" to kill some innocent kids and mom and pop as insurance. Then blame on the gun, repubs, and license carriers. The poor gun is innocent, it just did what lanzie wanted it to do. I bet its the OP cousin, this crazy shit runs the family.

Thank God the stupid fucker didn't miss himself.

The mass casualty capacity for modern firearms has far surpassed that of firearms of the 18th Century, when the 2nd Amendment was drafted.

One modern firearm in a matter of seconds can kill as many people as a motor vehicle in the same amount of time, by just one person - child or adult, and with minimal effort. They should be more restricted than motor vehicles, as they are specifically designed to EFFICIENTLY KILL.

Hi Berhuis,



Aren't you the one that is always defending bicyclists right to ride in the middle of the road, and who is always talking about the perils of "micro-impacts"?

Somebody cue up the MARILYN MANSON THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE music please....

eesh Wrote:
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> Hi Berhuis,
>
> Aren't you the one that is always defending
> bicyclists right to ride in the middle of the
> road, and who is always talking about the perils
> of "micro-impacts"?


Hi eesh, you are mistaken. Cyclists should obey the rules of the road and applicable laws. In Virginia, cyclists riding on roads must remain to the right side unless making a left turn.

You are correct about the perils of "micro-impacts".

Leftist GoriIIa Wrote:
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>
> Because they're the ones keeping the guns on the
> streets, Ralph...


Right I forgot criminals follow laws and wouldnt have guns if they were illegal.

Can you tell me then how it is shootings happen in schools or cities where theyre banned?

Or how drugs are still available everywhere?

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> ryan lanza Wrote:
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> > white 24 year old kills again
>
>
> 24. White. It's 100% Glock 19 or 17.


Glock 9mm. So predictable.

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> Leftist GoriIIa Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Because they're the ones keeping the guns on
> the
> > streets, Ralph...
>
>
> Right I forgot criminals follow laws and wouldnt
> have guns if they were illegal.

You asshole. I'm a lot less worried about criminals having guns than I am shitheads like you having guns.

> Can you tell me then how it is shootings happen in
> schools or cities where theyre banned?

Because you can get a gun anywhere, asshole.

> Or how drugs are still available everywhere?

Same thing. Plus drugs are addictive. Guns are not - at least not to normal people.

If you wan't to play at the table, at least have some decent ammunition (so to speak).

Yeppie Wrote:
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> This how the libs and democrat advance gun
> control, they get a normal lib democrat like
> "lanzie" to kill some innocent kids and mom and
> pop as insurance. Then blame on the gun, repubs,
> and license carriers. The poor gun is innocent,
> it just did what lanzie wanted it to do. I bet
> its the OP cousin, this crazy shit runs the
> family.
>
> Thank God the stupid fucker didn't miss himself.

Oh geez. The libs used mind control, and made someone go on a killing spree?

Holy fuck I hope you are not allowed to sign yourself out of whatever facility you should be in.

I hate quoting myself but...

> This was some nutjob acting out of some
> warped personal motive. You are not seeing anyone
> on either side of the aisle encouraging this kind
> of activity. At this point the only comment I
> would want to hear from ANY politician is that
> they are deeply saddened by the events, their
> prayers are with the victims and their families
> and that they will withhold further comments until
> additional facts become known.

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> Can you tell me then how it is shootings happen in
> schools or cities where theyre banned?

When shootings happen in urban schools, they're not random massacres, they're revenge/gang related. The is strictly a suburban/rural phenomenon, where gun culture is the strongest. Connection? Maybe.

And to the guy who pointed out the story in China were a guy went into an elementary school and stabbed a strikingly simliar amount kids... all those kids survived. And the police even caught the guy later.

U Asshole Wrote:


> You asshole. I'm a lot less worried about
> criminals having guns than I am shitheads like you
> having guns.

Thus proving you have the intelligence level of an 8 year old. Very articulate intelligent response.

>
> Because you can get a gun anywhere, asshole.
>

But theyre banned? Youve made it perfectly clear if they were illegal there wouldnt be shootings. Im waiting for you to explain..........


> Same thing. Plus drugs are addictive. Guns are not
> - at least not to normal people.
>
> If you wan't to play at the table, at least have
> some decent ammunition (so to speak).


I dont want to play at the kiddie table you obviously sit at from your responses. Please leave grown up conversations to adults.

Realist Wrote:
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> youre an idiot Wrote:
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> > Can you tell me then how it is shootings happen
> in
> > schools or cities where theyre banned?
>
> When shootings happen in urban schools, they're
> not random massacres, they're revenge/gang
> related. The is strictly a suburban/rural
> phenomenon, where gun culture is the strongest.
> Connection? Maybe.

Theyre almost never random but gang culture is gun culture, its thug culture. Gun culture is going to the range or hunting not shooting people up because they disrespected you or youre trying to get into a gang. Regardless of whether or not guns are legal those shootings will happen. People who dont obey murder laws wont obey gun ownership laws.

> And to the guy who pointed out the story in China
> were a guy went into an elementary school and
> stabbed a strikingly simliar amount kids... all
> those kids survived. And the police even caught
> the guy later.


And theres shootings where people survive. You missed the point that murder wasnt invented with gun powder. Blaming guns for a shooting is the same as blaming a car for people driving drunk or blaming spoons for making people fat. The only one to blame is the person and nothing else.

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> And theres shootings where people survive. You
> missed the point that murder wasnt invented with
> gun powder. Blaming guns for a shooting is the
> same as blaming a car for people driving drunk or
> blaming spoons for making people fat. The only
> one to blame is the person and nothing else.

The incident in China proves that if you don't give these crazy people access to guns, this type of incident won't have the same devastating effect. Yes it will still happen, but when it does an entire classrooms of children won't be killed. This will only happen more and more, and one day you'll realize that a lot of deaths could've been prevented a long time ago.

As I recall, there was a rash of school knivings in China, and many children died.



Let's not forget bombings around the world that are a part of people's everyday lives.

Elect Me I'll Cut Taxes Wrote:
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> So the school shooting happened at 9:30am and we
> still have no announcement from Beohner or
> republicans??


Poor, pathetic Mittens Having Kittens - a shell with nothing of substance inside.

He doesn't give a fuck about murdered children.

He cares only about his food stamps; what a waste of space he is.

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> And theres shootings where people survive. You
> missed the point that murder wasnt invented with
> gun powder. Blaming guns for a shooting is the
> same as blaming a car for people driving drunk or
> blaming spoons for making people fat. The only
> one to blame is the person and nothing else.

The "Blame the gun" and "Blame the person only" are both incomplete premises. A complete premise would be: "People kill with guns", "People kill with cars". Both instruments of use have the capacity to inflict mass casualty in a very short amount of time, by one person, either on purpose or accidentally.

Firearms are specifically designed to EFFICIENTLY KILL, motorized vehicles are not. The majority of firearms deaths and injuries come from intent to harm, while automobile injuries and deaths are predominantly accidental. Motorized vehicle use is stringently regulated throughout a drivers' lifetime of driving - for the purpose of personal and public safety, firearms use and restriction should be even more so. Currently they are not.

A significant increase in firearm restriction and regulation is due, and a rewriting of the 2nd Amendment to clarify weapons use and their relation to participation in militias is needed.

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> youre an idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > And theres shootings where people survive. You
> > missed the point that murder wasnt invented
> with
> > gun powder. Blaming guns for a shooting is the
> > same as blaming a car for people driving drunk
> or
> > blaming spoons for making people fat. The only
> > one to blame is the person and nothing else.
>
> The "Blame the gun" and "Blame the person only"
> are both incomplete premises. A complete premise
> would be: "People kill with guns", "People kill
> with cars". Both instruments of use have the
> capacity to inflict mass casualty in a very short
> amount of time, by one person, either on purpose
> or accidentally.
>
> Firearms are specifically designed to EFFICIENTLY
> KILL, motorized vehicles are not. The majority of
> firearms deaths and injuries come from intent to
> harm, while automobile injuries and deaths are
> predominantly accidental. Motorized vehicle use is
> stringently regulated throughout a drivers'
> lifetime of driving - for the purpose of personal
> and public safety, firearms use and restriction
> should be even more so. Currently they are not.
>
> A significant increase in firearm restriction and
> regulation is due, and a rewriting of the 2nd
> Amendment to clarify weapons use and their
> relation to participation in militias is needed.

Bullshit.

One thing is for certain, the fallout from this tragedy will be massive. If you thought Columbine changed America, his will no doubt do so ten fold.

ISE Wrote:
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> Berdhuis Wrote:
> >
> > A significant increase in firearm restriction
> and
> > regulation is due, and a rewriting of the 2nd
> > Amendment to clarify weapons use and their
> > relation to participation in militias is
> needed.
>
> Bullshit.

"Bullshit"? Only a two-syllable word as an argument?

The Only Certain Thing Wrote:
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> One thing is for certain, the fallout from this
> tragedy will be massive. If you thought Columbine
> changed America, his will no doubt do so ten fold.

Are you operating under the assumption that this will result in gun laws being changed? I doubt very much that another shooting will do anything more than rile up conspiracy theorists*(people that use the word "shill" on a constant basis) and politicals.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eagan_Holmes
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan

_Eyedea_ Wrote:
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>
> Are you operating under the assumption that this
> will result in gun laws being changed? I doubt
> very much that another shooting will do anything
> more than rile up conspiracy theorists*(people
> that use the word "shill" on a constant basis) and
> politicals.
>


Did you know if you try hard enough, you can draw a pentagram over a map of the United States that proves Hillary Clinton and the Illuminati are behind all shootings and natural disasters??

The Only Certain Thing Wrote:
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> One thing is for certain, the fallout from this
> tragedy will be massive. If you thought Columbine
> changed America, his will no doubt do so ten fold.

Sadly, you're probably wrong. Columbine did not change the gun laws. Neither will this. We need politicians and people of conscience to stand up and speak out. I'm not holding my breath.

Realist Wrote:
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> youre an idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And theres shootings where people survive. You
> > missed the point that murder wasnt invented
> with
> > gun powder. Blaming guns for a shooting is the
> > same as blaming a car for people driving drunk
> or
> > blaming spoons for making people fat. The only
> > one to blame is the person and nothing else.
>
> The incident in China proves that if you don't
> give these crazy people access to guns, this type
> of incident won't have the same devastating
> effect. Yes it will still happen, but when it does
> an entire classrooms of children won't be killed.
> This will only happen more and more, and one day
> you'll realize that a lot of deaths could've been
> prevented a long time ago.

So again you think people that dont obey murder laws will obey gun laws? Guns are already illegal in schools so by your logic it should have already been prevented. Or do you just pretend drugs dont exist since theyre also banned?

The incident in china also proves nothing other that what happened in that 1 instance.

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> The "Blame the gun" and "Blame the person only"
> are both incomplete premises. A complete premise
> would be: "People kill with guns", "People kill
> with cars". Both instruments of use have the
> capacity to inflict mass casualty in a very short
> amount of time, by one person, either on purpose
> or accidentally.

A complete premises would actually be "people that want to kill people will do so."

> Firearms are specifically designed to EFFICIENTLY
> KILL, motorized vehicles are not. The majority of
> firearms deaths and injuries come from intent to
> harm, while automobile injuries and deaths are
> predominantly accidental. Motorized vehicle use is
> stringently regulated throughout a drivers'
> lifetime of driving - for the purpose of personal
> and public safety, firearms use and restriction
> should be even more so. Currently they are not.

Clearly you know nothing about guns if you think theyre unregulated especially when it comes to their use. Gun use is FAR more restricted

> A significant increase in firearm restriction and
> regulation is due, and a rewriting of the 2nd
> Amendment to clarify weapons use and their
> relation to participation in militias is needed.

The 2nd amendment doesnt and was never intended to make firearms only available to militias hence the comments in the amendment. It is not over due and banning wont do a single thing except turn the entire country into Chicago where only criminals have guns

Sadly Not True Wrote:
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> The Only Certain Thing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > One thing is for certain, the fallout from this
> > tragedy will be massive. If you thought
> Columbine
> > changed America, his will no doubt do so ten
> fold.
>
> Sadly, you're probably wrong. Columbine did not
> change the gun laws. Neither will this. We need
> politicians and people of conscience to stand up
> and speak out. I'm not holding my breath.

You mean luckily they didnt change gun laws.

Explain to me how England has gun crime when guns are illegal in the whole country?

Explain to me why the Swiss has the highest gun ownership in the world and its required by law yet have a very low gun crime rate?

Now explain to me how its the guns fault?

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> Berdhuis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > The "Blame the gun" and "Blame the person only"
> > are both incomplete premises. A complete
> premise
> > would be: "People kill with guns", "People kill
> > with cars". Both instruments of use have the
> > capacity to inflict mass casualty in a very
> short
> > amount of time, by one person, either on
> purpose
> > or accidentally.
>
> A complete premises would actually be "people that
> want to kill people will do so."

My premise is complete, you fail to refute it.

> > Firearms are specifically designed to
> EFFICIENTLY
> > KILL, motorized vehicles are not. The majority
> of
> > firearms deaths and injuries come from intent
> to
> > harm, while automobile injuries and deaths are
> > predominantly accidental. Motorized vehicle use
> is
> > stringently regulated throughout a drivers'
> > lifetime of driving - for the purpose of
> personal
> > and public safety, firearms use and restriction
> > should be even more so. Currently they are not.
>
> Clearly you know nothing about guns if you think
> theyre unregulated especially when it comes to
> their use. Gun use is FAR more restricted

I never mentioned that firearms are unregulated - YOU made up that inference to create a straw man. I said that they weren't STRINGENTLY regulated, and less so than automobile use. Drivers must get certified training, then pass periodic testing under state government supervision and administration throughout the driver's lifetime. Members of the military go through SIGNIFICANT training to use a firearm, then go through periodic retesting and training to maintain certification. Private citizens should go through no less a rigor to possess a firearm.

> > A significant increase in firearm restriction
> and
> > regulation is due, and a rewriting of the 2nd
> > Amendment to clarify weapons use and their
> > relation to participation in militias is
> needed.
>
> The 2nd amendment doesnt and was never intended to
> make firearms only available to militias hence the
> comments in the amendment. It is not over due and
> banning wont do a single thing except turn the
> entire country into Chicago where only criminals
> have guns

We disagree on the intent of the 2nd Amendment. I never mentioned banning firearms - YOU did to make another straw man.

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> My premise is complete, you fail to refute it.

No your premise isnt complete. People kill people end of story. More people die in DUI crashes. Really nothing youve been saying is complete. Youve presented a lack of understanding of the constitution and a straw man inaccurate argument about cars.


> I never mentioned that firearms are unregulated -
> YOU made up that inference to create a straw man.
> I said that they weren't STRINGENTLY regulated,
> and less so than automobile use. Drivers must get
> certified training, then pass periodic testing
> under state government supervision and
> administration throughout the driver's lifetime.
> Members of the military go through SIGNIFICANT
> training to use a firearm, then go through
> periodic retesting and training to maintain
> certification. Private citizens should go through
> no less a rigor to possess a firearm.

Theres no periodic testing for driving unless youre a horrible driver and get a ton of tickets.

Driving isnt more regulated by any means. You dont have to wait until youre 21 to drive, you dont have to have background checks. Driving also isnt a constitutionally protected right so your argument holds no weight.

Private citizens arent the military.


> We disagree on the intent of the 2nd Amendment. I
> never mentioned banning firearms - YOU did to make
> another straw man.

Then you disagree on facts. Theres NO debate about the 2nd amendment. Several states had already protected firearms in their constitutions before the 2nd amendment. Theres no debating how things are read either. From day one its been held to mean private citizens and nothing more. You just disagree because you want it to mean what you want it to mean. Funny how you keep mentioning straw man arguments but thats exactly what your car reference is.

Just for fun even if we did read it as a militia a militia is just more than one armed person. If you know a friend with a gun or who wants one you now have a militia. Debate over.

youre an idiot Wrote:
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>
> No your premise isnt complete. People kill people
> end of story. More people die in DUI crashes.

You should look shit up instead of pulling it out of your ass.

30,000 people are killed by guns every year.

40,000 people are killed in automobile accidents every year.

in 2010, according to the CDC, 10,228 people were killed by drunk drivers.

Check your facts Wrote:
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> youre an idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > No your premise isnt complete. People kill
> people
> > end of story. More people die in DUI crashes.
>
> You should look shit up instead of pulling it out
> of your ass.
>
> 30,000 people are killed by guns every year.
>
> 40,000 people are killed in automobile accidents
> every year.
>
> in 2010, according to the CDC, 10,228 people were
> killed by drunk drivers.

How about you check your facts.

8,583 people were murdered with guns in 2011, more people die from DUIs than are murdered with guns.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Either way your numbers confirm more people die from cars then guns. Clearly cars are the problem

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> Either way your numbers confirm more people die
> from cars then guns. Clearly cars are the problem

You can't sneak a car in to an elementary school and go room to room killing children.

Hey Dumbass Wrote:
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> youre an idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Either way your numbers confirm more people die
> > from cars then guns. Clearly cars are the
> problem
>
> You can't sneak a car in to an elementary school
> and go room to room killing children.


Good thing no child has been killed by a car before, oh wait............

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> Good thing no child has been killed by a car
> before, oh wait............

Yeah some guy drove his car into an elementary school today and killed 26 people, oh wait...

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> Check your facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > You should look shit up instead of pulling it
> out
> > of your ass.
> >
> > 30,000 people are killed by guns every year.
> >
> > 40,000 people are killed in automobile
> accidents
> > every year.
> >
> > in 2010, according to the CDC, 10,228 people
> were
> > killed by drunk drivers.
>
> How about you check your facts.
>
> 8,583 people were murdered with guns in 2011, more
> people die from DUIs than are murdered with guns.
>
>
> http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-
> u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-ho
> micide-data-table-8
>
> Either way your numbers confirm more people die
> from cars then guns. Clearly cars are the problem

"40,000" is a figure used in shorthand because the number of deaths, up until about 2002, were always over 40,000. When I look up the actual number of automobile deaths in 2010, the number is actually 32,885. While 31,224 people died by firearm in 2010. Statistically, it is about equal. If you were to adjust the figures based on factors like automobiles being used by a large majority of people on a daily basis versus how many people are exposed to guns, gun deaths is probably the more statistically significant cause of death.

I like how you cherry picked just a portion of firearm death statistics.

fucking cars and guns comparison

How many people use cars a day? Millions
How many people use guns a day? Hundreds (USE - as in actually fire)
Cars are used 24 hours a day all day every day.
Cars are a necessity of life, guns are not.

fuck your dumb statements...same as the forks, lightning and hamburgers kill people too arguments

the USA should disarm all of its citizens - other 1st world countries do this and have little to no gun violence

"but the criminals will not obey the laws" - they will after the govt. disarms citizens, then regulates all guns coming into the country, passes laws of major consequence for possessing a firearm etc....it would get under control in time, no problem

as time goes, gun numbers drop to nearly nothing and gun deaths also drop to nothing

other countries have successfully done this, so could we

i would even ban hunting all together, no one really needs to hunt, so fuck it - no guns period

unlike canada, the USA can not own guns without killing each other at a higher rate than any other country in the world, so no guns allowed

kill the second amendment and disarm the public, sure there will be many people who fight back - kill them and fuck them

no more gun shows
no more gun sales, shops, nothing

want to own a gun, move to another country

make laws that force the public to turn in all firearms, give a deadline of 6 months, anyone caught with a firearm after that is jailed

have hotlines to turn in people with guns, yes come into your house and search it and take away your guns - citizens would turn in others daily until people got the message

NRA dissolved

oh but all the money from hunting, shooting ranges etc....fuck them all

all firearms illegal, yes just the military and police, too bad

"but then the govt. can take over and make us do anything if we can not defend ourselves" - bullshit you fucking morons, put on tinfoil caps

"home protection wah wah wah" - entire 1st world countries live without guns and are just fine, do some research

fact = no one NEEDS a firearm at all (excluding the police and military)


but, nothing will happen...just close some loopholes in applying for a gun, maybe

all the places to get guns - stores shows etc...would be gone, outlawed - after a while getting a gun would be almost impossible for citizens and criminals

we can make sure a piece of fruit does not come through an airport, we can easily stop any firearms

penalties so high, that no one would even consider running guns by boat or any vehicle across the boarders

a simple life in jail or even death penalty would put an end to all that movie shit - extreme? yup and it should be

this country never takes a stand on anything and follows through, abroad or domestically, all the political crap bogs down any ideas or actions, right verse left will act like children and zero will happen

no matter what argument a gun nut has, it will always be a fact the no one needs a firearm


"Explain to me how England has gun crime when guns are illegal in the whole country?" 50-60 TOTAL DEATHS in 2011!!!!!!! you fucking moron




USA = Number of homicide deaths 2011: 16,799

USA = Firearm homicides Number of deaths 2011: 11,493


Japan has less than 11 homicides by firearms a year!

Guns might not be a problem, but the NRA and right wing fearmongerers made them one.

A victim of their own succes? The gun culture has been practically thrust down the throat of a whole generation of the white trash or weak or small dicked. You oversaturate a population with guns and you're asking for trouble.

Responsible gun owners (oxymoron or just morons?) should take on the disarm.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2012 05:11AM by Atom.

Ken Spirasee-Theowrist Wrote:
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> Yeppie Wrote:
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> > This how the libs and democrat advance gun
> > control, they get a normal lib democrat like
> > "lanzie" to kill some innocent kids and mom
> and
> > pop as insurance. Then blame on the gun,
> repubs,
> > and license carriers. The poor gun is
> innocent,
> > it just did what lanzie wanted it to do. I bet
> > its the OP cousin, this crazy shit runs the
> > family.
> >
> > Thank God the stupid fucker didn't miss
> himself.
>
> Oh geez. The libs used mind control, and made
> someone go on a killing spree?
>
> Holy fuck I hope you are not allowed to sign
> yourself out of whatever facility you should be
> in.


you will be the next lib killer ken over some bullshit, keep an eye on you

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> Berdhuis Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > My premise is complete, you fail to refute it.
>
> No your premise isnt complete. People kill people
> end of story. More people die in DUI crashes.
> Really nothing youve been saying is complete.
> Youve presented a lack of understanding of the
> constitution and a straw man inaccurate argument
> about cars.
>
>
> > I never mentioned that firearms are unregulated
> -
> > YOU made up that inference to create a straw
> man.
> > I said that they weren't STRINGENTLY regulated,
> > and less so than automobile use. Drivers must
> get
> > certified training, then pass periodic testing
> > under state government supervision and
> > administration throughout the driver's
> lifetime.
> > Members of the military go through SIGNIFICANT
> > training to use a firearm, then go through
> > periodic retesting and training to maintain
> > certification. Private citizens should go
> through
> > no less a rigor to possess a firearm.
>
> Theres no periodic testing for driving unless
> youre a horrible driver and get a ton of tickets.
>
>
> Driving isnt more regulated by any means. You
> dont have to wait until youre 21 to drive, you
> dont have to have background checks. Driving also
> isnt a constitutionally protected right so your
> argument holds no weight.
>
> Private citizens arent the military.
>
>
> > We disagree on the intent of the 2nd Amendment.
> I
> > never mentioned banning firearms - YOU did to
> make
> > another straw man.
>
> Then you disagree on facts. Theres NO debate
> about the 2nd amendment. Several states had
> already protected firearms in their constitutions
> before the 2nd amendment. Theres no debating how
> things are read either. From day one its been
> held to mean private citizens and nothing more.
> You just disagree because you want it to mean what
> you want it to mean. Funny how you keep
> mentioning straw man arguments but thats exactly
> what your car reference is.
>
> Just for fun even if we did read it as a militia a
> militia is just more than one armed person. If
> you know a friend with a gun or who wants one you
> now have a militia. Debate over.

Almost everything you write here is false. Unworthy. Debate over.

Atom Wrote:
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> Guns might not be a problem, but the NRA and right
> wing fearmongerers made them one.
>
> A victim of their own succes? The gun culture has
> been practically thrust down the throat of a whole
> generation of the white trash or weak or small
> dicked. You oversaturate a population with guns
> and you're asking for trouble.
>
> Responsible gun owners (oxymoron or just morons?)
> should take on the disarm.

You are full of shit.

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> ISE Wrote:
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> > Berdhuis Wrote:
> > >
> > > A significant increase in firearm restriction
> > and
> > > regulation is due, and a rewriting of the 2nd
> > > Amendment to clarify weapons use and their
> > > relation to participation in militias is
> > needed.
> >
> > Bullshit.
>
> "Bullshit"? Only a two-syllable word as an
> argument?

That's right. When you spew bullshit that's what you get.

ISE Wrote:
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> Berdhuis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ISE Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Berdhuis Wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A significant increase in firearm
> restriction
> > > and
> > > > regulation is due, and a rewriting of the
> 2nd
> > > > Amendment to clarify weapons use and their
> > > > relation to participation in militias is
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > Bullshit.
> >
> > "Bullshit"? Only a two-syllable word as an
> > argument?
>
> That's right. When you spew bullshit that's what
> you get.

I rationally argue my case. You fail to do so by resorting to an expletive as a response. This means that you fail to understand the situation, or desire to remain ignorant of it. I choose to be a part of the solution. You, clearly, have chosen otherwise.



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Atom Wrote:
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> Guns might not be a problem, but the NRA and right
> wing fearmongerers made them one.
>
> A victim of their own succes? The gun culture has
> been practically thrust down the throat of a whole
> generation of the white trash or weak or small
> dicked. You oversaturate a population with guns
> and you're asking for trouble.
>
> Responsible gun owners (oxymoron or just morons?)
> should take on the disarm.


It's not the gun culture that is the problem. Guns have been a part of life in the US for centuries. The problem is a culture that is amoral (at best), devoid of positive values; where the family is no longer a cherished thing to protect, where life is devalued by the state (capital punishment) and potential parents (abortion as birth control); where God's commands have been pushed out in favor or the commands of Wall Street, Corporate America and government regulators; where the media sells us death, sex and violence 24/7 through TV, movies, video games and music; and a culture that more and more rewards trying rather than succeeding and thinks equal outcome is better than equal opportunity. We are the problem and our own worse enemy.

The guns came from his mother. His mother, the kindergarten teacher, was a gun enthusiast.

need more facts Wrote:
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> The guns came from his mother. His mother, the
> kindergarten teacher, was a gun enthusiast.

I haven't read that. I've read one article that said she was the "owner" of the guns but nothing about her being into them at all.

That anyone would use this massacre to push a political agenda is fucking disgusting. You are what's wrong with modern politics.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

So as I understand it the victims were all white people. If this had been an inner-city black school it would not get even 10% of the media coverage that this tragedy is getting.

Broken covenant Wrote:
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>
> It's not the gun culture that is the problem.
> Guns have been a part of life in the US for
> centuries. The problem is a culture that is
> amoral (at best), devoid of positive values; where
> the family is no longer a cherished thing to
> protect, where life is devalued by the state
> (capital punishment) and potential parents
> (abortion as birth control); where God's commands
> have been pushed out in favor or the commands of
> Wall Street, Corporate America and government
> regulators; where the media sells us death, sex
> and violence 24/7 through TV, movies, video games
> and music; and a culture that more and more
> rewards trying rather than succeeding and thinks
> equal outcome is better than equal opportunity.
> We are the problem and our own worse enemy.

Cherry Picking is fun Wrote:

> "40,000" is a figure used in shorthand because the
> number of deaths, up until about 2002, were always
> over 40,000. When I look up the actual number of
> automobile deaths in 2010, the number is actually
> 32,885. While 31,224 people died by firearm in
> 2010. Statistically, it is about equal. If you
> were to adjust the figures based on factors like
> automobiles being used by a large majority of
> people on a daily basis versus how many people are
> exposed to guns, gun deaths is probably the more
> statistically significant cause of death.
>
> I like how you cherry picked just a portion of
> firearm death statistics.

More people died from cars bottom line, we need to ban them immediately by your logic.

Further more heart disease is the leading cause of death in the country. Its time we stop letting the heart nut jobs walk all over us. From now on hearts can no longer exist in the us. If theres no hearts then no one can die from that.

This is how stupid you sound

Berdhuis Wrote:
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> Almost everything you write here is false.
> Unworthy. Debate over.

Typical liberal. You didnt once mention a single fact then what you get proven wrong you say "na uh" and take your ball and go home. I really do feel sorry for the disease you have that causes you to think like a child.

Inm still waiting for a single person to explain how banning guns will stop things like this from happening when guns are already banned in school and murder is already banned, its almost like murderers dont give a shit about laws........

Japan has less than 11 homicides by firearms a year!

Real evidence of " how banning guns will stop things like this from happening".

Research how they enacted it and you will have your answer. I am not going to spoon-feed you.

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youre an idiot Wrote:
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>
> More people died from cars bottom line, we need to
> ban them immediately by your logic.
>
> Further more heart disease is the leading cause of
> death in the country. Its time we stop letting
> the heart nut jobs walk all over us. From now on
> hearts can no longer exist in the us. If theres
> no hearts then no one can die from that.
>
> This is how stupid you sound


I didn't say we should ban anything. You said more people die in DUI crashes, so I provided a statistic that contradicts your belief.

Did you even realize you had used the "more die by something else" argument? Because now that I disproved your argument, you're now trying to make me into a straw man who wants to ban all the things that kill people, so you can make your argument seem more plausible.


youre an idiot Wrote:
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>
> No your premise isnt complete. People kill people
> end of story. More people die in DUI crashes.


More people die by firearms. Just a fact. Don't care what they ban, people that want to ban shit just can't accept that people die. Sometimes tragically.

pPmVN Wrote:
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> Japan has less than 11 homicides by firearms a
> year!
>
> Real evidence of " how banning guns will stop
> things like this from happening".
>
> Research how they enacted it and you will have
> your answer. I am not going to spoon-feed you.
>
> /thread

+100000000000000000

Idiot you are Wrote:
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>
> I didn't say we should ban anything. You said
> more people die in DUI crashes, so I provided a
> statistic that contradicts your belief.

No you didnt, more people do die in DUI crashes than are murdered with a gun which is what weve been talking about this whole time people using guns to kill.

> Did you even realize you had used the "more die by
> something else" argument? Because now that I
> disproved your argument, you're now trying to make
> me into a straw man who wants to ban all the
> things that kill people, so you can make your
> argument seem more plausible.

Not really most people on this site reason like a child I was cutting off the banning argument before it could start. They arent the same thing but it does bring a lot of perspective to just how over blown the gun problem is. The situation is no doubt tragic but evil people are going to do evil things.

> More people die by firearms. Just a fact. Don't
> care what they ban, people that want to ban shit
> just can't accept that people die. Sometimes
> tragically.

This I agree with. Theres a lot of evil people in the world and they are going to do evil things. It actually saddens me that people like the OP saw this situation and were probably stroking off at the change to take political shots at people over it.

More disturbing images from the crime scene



Obviously there are mixed emotions

youre an idiot Wrote:
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> Typical liberal. You didnt once mention a single
> fact then what you get proven wrong you say "na
> uh" and take your ball and go home.

False, again.

> I really do feel sorry for the disease you have that causes
> you to think like a child.

No, you don't feel sorry at all, another lie from you. You are projecting your own deficiencies onto others as a way to compensate for your insecurities regarding this topic. Your insistence on using straw men in your arguments gives you away pretty clearly.



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youre an idiot Wrote:
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> > I didn't say we should ban anything. You said
> > more people die in DUI crashes, so I provided a
> > statistic that contradicts your belief.

The entire car comparison is completely irrelevent because it wasn't a car that helped him break in and then kill 28 people. Cars can't ram their way into an elementary school and then go classroom to classroom killing students.

And the idea that if these psychos didn't have guns and that they would use cars instead is laughable beacuse they already do that. It's just much more effective to go into closed or indoor spaces and start killing using a firearm.

Hey Dumbass Wrote:
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> The entire car comparison is completely irrelevent
> because it wasn't a car that helped him break in
> and then kill 28 people. Cars can't ram their way
> into an elementary school and then go classroom to
> classroom killing students.

Actually it did. You see when adults want to go somewhere they get in their cars and drive there. Im guessing you dont have youre learners permit yet but your parents should explain that to you one day. If your already of driving age im sorry, I just figured you were in middle school with the logical reasoning skills youve demonstrated.

Without a car he couldnt have gotten there. Without a car he wouldnt have had anywhere to store the weapons. Clearly the car is the real issue.

So deaths only matter to you in an elementary school?

Nice to know im dealing with someone who thinks like a child.

> And the idea that if these psychos didn't have
> guns and that they would use cars instead is
> laughable beacuse they already do that. It's just
> much more effective to go into closed or indoor
> spaces and start killing using a firearm.

Were the voices in your head making that argument? At no point was it argued that if they didnt have a gun theyd use a car. If you banned guns and they wanted a gun theyd get a gun its that simple.

The thing thats laughable is that you think you have even the slightest clue about anything.

There are few things more aggravating than a know-nothing pompous ass who doesn't realize how ignorant he is. 'you're an idiot' - you've got some intellectual heavyweights here, and you just can't compete. Give it up or risk making an even bigger fool out of yourself than you already have.

YOU'RE an idiot Wrote:
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> There are few things more aggravating than a
> know-nothing pompous ass who doesn't realize how
> ignorant he is. 'you're an idiot' - you've got
> some intellectual heavyweights here, and you just
> can't compete. Give it up or risk making an even
> bigger fool out of yourself than you already have.


HAHAHAHA intellectual heavyweights. More like mental health study cases

Elect Me I'll Cut Taxes Wrote:
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> So the school shooting happened at 9:30am and we
> still have no announcement from Beohner or
> republicans??
>
> WTF!!!


FYI, it has now been six years to the day, and still no meaningful response from Republicans or the NRA.