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A great thing is about to happen in PWC - the department of fire and rescue will finally be run by true professionals. No longer will you have to watch as a crew of bumbling volunteers try to get vitals on your loved one as they die from a heart attack, no longer will you have to stand down and watch your house and your neighbors house burn down as the "Keystone cop" "Firefigthers" run around yelling at each other and not accomplishing anything.
No longer will you have to watch your child or wife burn up in a car fire because shit volunteers do not know how to pull a hoseline or staff a unit on time! Better days are coming citizens.
In case you were not aware, there was an audit done of the F&R system and it is bad for the volunteers. The audit shows how incompetent they are as well as their inability to run their own stations. Waste, fraud and abuse. Wow, I knew things were bad, but never this bad.
Finally, the BOCS will have to listen and in early March will finally vote to put control of the system where it belongs - with the paid chief. Soon after this, our uniform rank system will finally be put into effect (despite the best efforts of the volunteer scumbags to delay the process as long as possible) and then it will be BYE BYE VOLLIES!!! GOOD RIDDANCE YOU FUCKING TICKS!!!!!!!
I can't wait until me and my brothers can finally have a place of our own without those t-shirt wearing wannabes and hobbyists telling stories of the fantastic fire alarm they just ran or the harrowing diabetic emergency. Silence will be nice.
Volunteers are also so stupid. As their world is about to end, they are now scrambling to drum up support. Too late assholes! Your shit has sailed. We have the votes and your time is done!!! Do you even realize that we now have 40 recruits about to get through the academy? 40 new FFs to take over for your shit asses. More are coming as well. Better days are ahead my brothers!!
Volunteers are a useless expense. They cost so much money and do nothing. For those that think we will be losing a free resource, you are wrong. These volunteers waste so much money, once we get control you will see that money will actually be saved. Just wait.
So you stupid ass vollys, when you are disbanded, what are you going to do with all the stickers on your pickup trucks? I have an idea - use your tears to dissolve the adhesive so you can remove them!!! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
PWC DFR 4-EVA.
See you on the streets my brothers.
Part of the thin red line every day.
Vollies don't cost near as much as the paid fucksticks and shit stains that take a BS medical call at 5:50pm and turn it into a goddamn 2 hour call.
How much overtime is that for you? On the citizens dime. You should tell the citizens about the cost of that malfeasance. The vols save the county millions every year in labor. They have the same qualifications as you paid union pussies and the truth is most of them make more than a BC in their day jobs.
The citizens are getting some very qualified individuals on the job during vollie time. Far more qualified than your 40 new day maids that will soon be cleaning our stations during the day.
Lol. Top keks. You volunteers are all alike. Are you so dumb that you don't realize that a 5:50pm call does not result in overtime for a Medic because they are on 24 shifts which do not end until 6:00 AM? Also, if a call comes in at 5:50am, many times the next medic crew will take it so I don't have to stay late.
Unlike you hobbyists, we real firemen are professionals. We train and PT on a daily basis. Don't think you can say the same thing. We don't just wear a t-shirt, we earn it. You are a danger to the citizens. I love seeing your idiots on scene. So many bad decisions. So much indecision. I agree with the top poster and I for one cannot wait for you all to be gone.
Evergreen, Gainesville, coles, you volunteers are all the same. Those were the first three corrupt stations to be revealed. I know there are more. It will soon all be revealed so start packing up your shit. Take those stickers off your car. I'm so glad you like the thin red line and blue line. I love your fancy "black hat" designer t-shirts and your super cool tattoos. What are you going to do after your shops are shut down in 2 weeks? I guess you can turn them into flowers. LEL.
Butthurt, yes. For years I have had to come to work in substandard conditions and at times being put in danger with my support being some volunteer who rides the seat once a month and thinks he knows something but doesn't know shit. I was butthut because I have been in serious danger of losing my butt due to volunteer incompetence.
Go volunteer at a soup kitchen. Save the county money by joining the ladies auxiliary somewhere. But stop trying to pretend you know something about firefighting. You don't. Me and my brothers put our lives on the line every day for little pay. All we ask is that we are in a safe, professional environment. Getting rid of you is the first step in the right direction.
Of course a 24 hour medic doesn't get overtime for the 5:50pm call. But why do you guys add a specialty piece for a "lift assist" at 5:57pm for a patient that weighs 120lbs? And you already have EIGHT guys there, but you need FOUR more? Then you stay on the call until 7:30pm. If you need TWELVE guys to lift that patient, I'd say your PT sessions aren't very effective. Maybe some volunteers that regularly run the same calls for free with two or three staff can help you be more efficient. Oh but wait, then you guys wouldn't be getting all that TIME AND A HALF pay for goofing off at the nursing home half the evening waiting for yet another call to come in so you suck even more OT from the poor county taxpayers.
Strange thing though - if that same EMS call comes at 5:50am, you guys sit there with your arms crossed and let the vols take it. Why? Because you start getting paid at 0600 even if you aren't doing shit.
I agree you guys get low pay, but many of you couldn't really get better paying jobs elsewhere. It's sad. I'm sure your snowflake girlfriends love riding around with your "paid firefighter" union tags during the day knowing they won't get ticketed for texting while driving (or anything else) since they are "on the inside".
Don't think for a second that URS implementation is going to do shit for you. It's just going to piss you off even more after July when nothing changes and you learn that most of those vollies have more training certs in their file than you have pay stubs. Maybe your chimney cleaning business on the side will pick up soon.
Funny that the paid guys start this shit on FFXU. You "don't feel safe because a volunteer doesn't have your back"? That's a load of shit.
They complete the same training and certifications that you do, using the same instructors at the same facility and probably sitting next to your sorry ass in class.
You know who doesn't have your back? That diversity hire that's riding the seat because of a quota. The more qualified white guy that didn't get the job...probably volunteering somewhere. You think I'm kidding, read the Fairfax report that came out a few weeks ago. Problem number one in the dept is hiring all the rainbow colors and passing over more qualified white people. I've seen NREMT-P's come through with stellar records that got passed over in PW for a mexican with no quals - and they look the other way when he's dragging ass at the academy - because they NEED him.
I'd rather ride with a guy that legitimately deserves to be there.
URS implementation is a beautiful thing. For one, it will get rid of many of the leach volunteers. Also, it will give us back control of the specialty pieces because we already know you losers can't staff them to begin with. Maybe we will let you drive one to the 4th of july parade. I'll even let you pretend you know all about it when your lame friends and ugly family come to visit. You can even hold my jacket as I get dressed to go to a real fire.
What is certain is this, 2 more weeks and then our wise BOCS will vote to put the DFR chief in charge. No more frustrations waiting for the useless FRA to make a decision. No more delay after delay after delay. No more kids running around the fire station spraying each other Fewer and soon to be phased out t-shirt losers clogging my workplace. It is almost like christmas.
Yes, I understand that change will not take place until July 1. Yes, I understand that it will take a few more months of making tougher policies so you guys quit one by one, but it is coming. One year from today things will be much different and one thing that is certain is that most of you ticks will be gone.
We are starting a ladies auxilliary at our local. Maybe we can give you honorary membership. You can then wear an IAFF t-shirt and serve us drinks and things. It won't be much different than what you are soon going to be limited to at the station!
2 weeks from today, our system will be changed for the better. I urge everyone to attend the Board of Supervisors meeting when the findings from the audit will be presented. Hear for yourself how the vollys have mismanaged assets, don't staff units, act in an unprofessional manner and other bad things that have caused harm to our system.
Come to the meeting and watch them twist. Watch them make their last minute appeals for "time". Too late you ticks, your time has come and gone. It is now time to hand things over to true professionals; people who do this every day, not some hobbyist who likes to wear a t-shirt and drive around in a big rig with lights and sirens so all your friends can be impressed.
Christmas is almost here! One system, one chief. Oh yeah.
PWC DFR 4 EVA Wrote:
> 2 weeks from today, our system will be changed for
> the better. I urge everyone to attend the Board
> of Supervisors meeting when the findings from the
> audit will be presented. Hear for yourself how
> the vollys have mismanaged assets, don't staff
> units, act in an unprofessional manner and other
> bad things that have caused harm to our system.
> Come to the meeting and watch them twist. Watch
> them make their last minute appeals for "time".
> Too late you ticks, your time has come and gone.
> It is now time to hand things over to true
> professionals; people who do this every day, not
> some hobbyist who likes to wear a t-shirt and
> drive around in a big rig with lights and sirens
> so all your friends can be impressed.
> Christmas is almost here! One system, one chief.
> Oh yeah.
He vivido en manassas por 5 años. Estoy triste por la forma en que ustedes hablan. Se supone que usted debe ayudar a la gente. Pero todo lo que se trata es odio. Fóllate Espero que ambos mueran en un incendio y que duele mucho al quemarse. Recuerde que cuando se quema será muy similar a lo que se va a sentir en el infierno. Solo salva a tus vecinos, deja de odiar. Lupita.
You will be crying like a Hillary supporter when your little Christmas miracle doesn't materialize. Check back in 6 months...or two years...it will be the same shit from you DFR fags - you'll be the ones crying "a little more time" and thinking this great panacea is right around the corner.
It's not going to happen. But your hope...it nourishes me.
How long have you been a career firefighter? Obviously, not that long because you act as though you are better than everyone else. I have volunteered as an EMT for seven years. I didn't join so I could tell people what I do or have people view me differently. I joined because I wanted to help people and to see if I wanted a career in that field.Turned out that I didn't want to work full time in that field,but I enjoyed spending my spare time helping those who need it. I also joined to give back to the community. Not all of us are there for the status. Not all of us are stupid. Yes, there are some volunteer members that lack intelligence and common sense. Which is risk to others, but that also applies to career. Its not just one sided. You can not group all of us together. We are individuals. Just as you are. I know a lot of career firefighters/medics who don't mind me/ other volunteers around. Why? because some of us are there for the same reason. To help those in need. Whether it be putting out a fire or putting band-aids on kids or elderly's boo-boos.
You should try having a different attitude instead of acting like a limp-dick unicorn. Nobody wants to be around a limp-dick unicorn. They are no fun. As, for us going. You are right, we will be gone. It will be all career,but remember your Chief and those in higher power are hiring a lot of us *ticks*. So, you will be working with former volunteer firefighters and EMTs. I really hope you change before we all get hired. Otherwise, there is going to be a lot of lonely dinners for you. Nobody wants to be that guy sitting by themselves eating. It's sad.
So, I come to tell you Mr. Career fireman who seems to be a limp-dick unicorn. Take the stick out of your anus. Try some yoga or therapy to release those negative emotions. So, you can become a better person and make new friends. I know it might be scary at first, but you can do it. It is possible to become a likable person. Also, it is possible to find companion since it seems you might be currently hugging your pillow crying with tissues full of jizz around you. For some reason you seem like that type of person. I don't know why. Like, you're jerking off to some weird porn and then as you cum you realize that you are alone then you start crying. Ugh, that sounds sad just typing it out.
Alright, my rant is over, but turn your frown upside down and try to find some sunshine. :D
A Tick that's willing to love a limp-dick unicorn.
Haha, you pwilly people are funny. Volly and paid alike, we've been a combo. department for sometime now and it works out pretty well for us. Maybe it's because we actually run WORKING fires and we don't have the time to sit around and bitch all day about who's better. We're all here for one thing. To help others.
And P.S. Why don't you go to a real dept where you actually get fires and don't just "hit it hard from the yard". How dare you talk shit to Vollys on a blog. I bet you won't go up to one of our faces talking that shit.
First of all wow who the hell do you think you are. My husband has been a volunteer for 20 plus years and even taught both paid and volunteers. what gives you the right to say that only a paid firefighter is capable of taken care of a fire. Do you think it is fair that my husband does the job for free and you get paid do you think your life is more valuable because you are paid. I don't think so.
To the gentlemen with out common sense. I have volunteered in the county for about 5 years going on to 6 it's sad to see your ignorance. No matter if your a paid firefighter, volunteer, Hispanic, African American, Asian, or caucasian it's the same title "firefighter"?!? Is it not!!! Or is it not I hold the same certification as you and was instructed by the same instructors, as well as the same academy,but I choose to put my family, my life on the line after a 10 hour day at work to give back. For you to collect a paycheck feed off county money and yet disrespect those brothers amongst you makes you a disgrace and a hypocrite to the brotherhood but it's okay because the day your in distress me or one of my brothers will be there to save you volunteer or paid purple black or blue...!!! We all bleed the same we are just humans who are trying to make a difference remember that . I hope that you can reflect on that one day.
Frankly, I am far more concerned about someone with your ego and consuming hatred serving my community than I am the volunteers. Call yourself whatever you want, but a true professional would not have posted this garbage. If you really think your position is justified, why not have the balls to identify yourself and own it?
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I think it's adorable that any of the firefighters in PWC think they are a real fire department. The DFR paid guys are office drones who sometimes get to squirt water from the outside of the house and the volunteers (with a few individual exceptions) are equally useless. Keep hitting it hard from the yard and pretending you are a NOVA fire department.
If you all spent half as much time doing actual fireman shit as you do bickering with each other, maybe some of the serious fire departments in the region would regard you as more than a joke/sideshow.
Lol, paid guy talking trash about volunteers..... I'm guessing he's a 2/20 and about 24. Glad i don't work for your system. You look like a bunch of high school kids on here. Isn't this the same system that just had a nationally recognized suicide from sexism. I wouldn't call you shit load, union sticker grabbing embarrassments. You're the reason unions get a bad name. Maybe you should do a little search into how firefighting became a profession, or should I say job as you are far from professional. So big shot bad ass full time firefighter, What's your union number? I'd love to look you up as you claim to be worthy of having one. You're a true shit-bag, so called brother of mine. Hey volunteers, sorry that this is what you've had to deal with. This is what happens when douche bags make it through the process. Keep your heads up, DCFD out...
You know I find this funny! I've seen paid guys screw the pooch on a fire and turn a saveable house into a pool! I've also seen many paid guys stand around and spray water through the window on a room and contents fire! Are there volunteers who don't need to be on the job? Sure but there are also volunteers who live it love and do it every day! We are all here to do the same job preserve and protect life and property! If you don't understand brotherhood and what it means to be a true fireman than hang your coat up and get your union kissing ass out of the job! Your going to get someone killed.
Paid firemen are incompetent boobs for the most part and lack common sense your also a bunch of entitled dicks who think they are above the rest of the population but the real personal kicker is an experience I went through paid fire fighters roaring past my home ran me into a telephone pole and kept going no lights no siren screw you fuge packer paid guys you cost the tax payer not the volunteers so screw you you don't deserve respect and won't get it from me you sorry poses
If I am not mistaken, the volunteers are required by the county to have and maintain the EXACT same certs as you "career" guys. The classes taught at the academy arr taught by CAREER personnel just like you career boys. So from what I read, it seems that all of this bashing the volunteers is just a reality check in which you are bashing your own system. Get a life and realize that the vollies arr the same as you career boys wuth about half the expense and ACTUALLY want to do the job out of willingness and NOT a paycheck.... DUMB ASSES
Volunteers and Career staff in PWC Hold thr same certification level as each other... "Uniform Rank" so if I am not mistaken..... You are bashing the level of education taught by your own academy... Smh. OWL is a very aggressive department and we pride ourselves as professionals. Dale City and OWL will be the last volunteer departments left standing in 20 years from now. We've been here since the early 1900's and kid.. Let me tell you... We are not going anywhere
I've drilled so many volley whores PWC. It's hilarious how cock hungry they are. The fatter they are the easier they are, and about 95% of the volley hos are hogs. But that's ok, I'm sure after they are gone they will still hang around the station like a stray dog looking for hand outs. Telling rmemeber when stories. Losers.
Jolly old Volly Wrote:
> JOKE TIME...
> HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR A PWCDFR FIREFIGHTER TO
> RESPOND TO A CALL...
> DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THE CHILD PORN VIDEO LAST.
I heard they are going to a 10 week recruit school...
I think it is incredibly sad that a so-called professional would use the site such as this, hiding behind anonymity, to spout such vitriol. If you have an issue with the volunteers because of your personal experience, that is certainly your right. But to get on a forum and totally bash them does such a disservice to the Prince William County Department of Fire and Rescue. That is the organization for whom you are supposedly speaking. So apparently you have some like-minded folks that have also jumped on your bandwagon. It's pathetic. I honestly hope that if I ever have an emergency in Prince William County, you're not the person that's responding to it. I know plenty of other DFR members that do not support you or your load of crap. Those are the ones that I'm thankful for.
Come on guys everyone know the vollies are just as shity as the paid personal, this is PWC we are talking about, Basicially this guy is arguing over who is the smartest retard. This is what happens whem you run in a slow system and have so much free time not fighting fires
OWL Volly Wrote:
> Volunteers and Career staff in PWC Hold thr same
> certification level as each other... "Uniform
> Rank" so if I am not mistaken..... You are bashing
> the level of education taught by your own
> academy... Smh. OWL is a very aggressive
> department and we pride ourselves as
> professionals. Dale City and OWL will be the last
> volunteer departments left standing in 20 years
> from now. We've been here since the early 1900's
> and kid.. Let me tell you... We are not going
"dale city and owl will be the last volunteer departments"
lol. owl is the biggest joke. guess you didnt know one of your engines is now 24 hour paid because the volunteers couldnt keep up the staffing. turned over to dfr. maybe ashley madison will sponsor your station since people there love it so much.
I am not a Volunteer frankly because I am too selfish and focus only on the stuff I get paid to do, kind of like the Paid Fire Fighters. I am not a snot nosed little prick that seems to have no freakin clue who raised the money, built the firehouses, bought the trucks and manned the stations before the County had the Revenue for Paid Firefighters. I am sure all Fire Fighters in PWC are not as much of a complete asshole as you are. Since your such a proud Paid Professional Firefighter why don't you sign your real name Jackass.
So all I got from this post that a garbage pwc firefighter emt with issues ranted about volunteers, In reality UFR will not end volunteering in PWC it will slowly end in time as people lives get busier, the UFR will weed out some shitties, but volunteering will still be around. PWC is renowned career and volunteer as a not so stellar system subpar to say the least and this post just confirms it. I work as a paid paramedic and do once a month volunteer medic shift in baltimore, I used to associate with OWL, and all I can say about the department is the schedule is terrible to work with for me and the enviroment is not a fun one to be in, OWL damages itself with recruiting due to its aggressive sexism and creeper members and a overall negative mentality from some of its members hopefully it will improve as a département. OWL currently shoots itself in its own foot with its attitudes. Thats my two cents. Also ps most volunteers are paid elsewhere, sooo I dont get this giys argument.
Wow. Reading through this as a citizen makes me want to rally up support for replacing every one of you racist, narcissistic, homophobic, foul-mouthed, whiny, entitled little brats. Paid or volunteer. Glad to know that any of my calls will be answered by a bunch of pricks. Glad I am moving the F out of this area. Hope I can make it out before I require any of you people's services.
Wow what did I just read. Someone sounds like a keyboard warrior with nothing else better to do on tax payer times huh you hiding behind a computer like all the others I've seen over the years. Lets go their how two faced you and others are that you can't say anything to a person face but you can rant on a board aren't you something special. How many times did career staff repeat a response for brush fires ? Guess you couldn't put the fire out on 95 with the world on scene. Just because you go to a gym doesn't make you great you lift things up n put them down but can you go and walk in the woods for 12 hours ? Probably not because your to focused on becoming meat heads. People like you have always been around to stir shit and cause hate and discontent. I had great working relations with career staff back in the day oh wait those were grown ass men that had respect and also remember where they came from. Bet some of your so called co workers are actually volunteers somewhere else lol what a joke you are to think a Career personell isn't a volunteer in a different county and actually it's some of your Officers continue with your rant it's good enjoyment to read.
I hope someone takes this to the career chief and find all the people who insaulted the vollys and fires then for what they said. And if that ends up happening ima laugh my ass off along with all the other vollys. And another thing as well that I find ironic you career people talk about the Thin Red line which is the brotherhood of Firefighting and vollys apart of that to, like omg such a shocker I know but seriously you career guys and vollys are on the same damn team so stop whining like damn 12 year olds and work together like FireFighters should. And what's even sadder is im not even a fireman yet and I know what the brotherhood is truly about.
I 2nd that. I personally seen calls where career personnel were beat to a call in their 1st due by vollies in another due in PWilly multiple times. It's almost like the paid staff fight to see who's gonna be RIT so they can sit there and not do a damn thing. Oh and don't forget to hit it hard from the yard!
PWC Volley strong Wrote:
> If I am not mistaken, the volunteers are required
> by the county to have and maintain the EXACT same
> certs as you "career" guys. The classes taught at
> the academy arr taught by CAREER personnel just
> like you career boys. So from what I read, it
> seems that all of this bashing the volunteers is
> just a reality check in which you are bashing your
> own system. Get a life and realize that the
> vollies arr the same as you career boys wuth about
> half the expense and ACTUALLY want to do the job
> out of willingness and NOT a paycheck.... DUMB
There is a night a day difference between volunteer training and career training. Ditto for accountability, discipline issues etc. Until you go through a career academy, you wouldn't understand.
First of all ...be careful how you rattle that tongue ....there are still some of the best volunteers out here....41 years of service and counting and anytime you think you are better bring it on cupcake.....I started out volunteering in Loudoun ...did all my training in Fairfax's training facility...the only difference between you and me..is you get a paycheck.....
PWCDFR is hands down the WORST! I would be embarrassed to work for PWCDFR, why would ANYONE be proud to work for a coward department? I wouldn't trust 94.6% of them mother fuckers to tie my shoes. I have never seen a Department turn a situation that would normally take 30 min into a complete cluster fuck 3 hour ordeal. Mcgee is a fucking LOSER!
The Departmentis full of Drunks, woman beaters, rapists, pedophiles and 2/20s.
Did that guy just say "we'll be softening the target, hitting it hard from the yard" HOLY FUCK!
TO ALL THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN PWC AND ARE READING THIS I HAVE SOME ADVICE FOR YOU. If your house ever catches on fire and you live on the west side, do yourself a favor and call Manassas City, or Manassas Park firehouse directly and report the issue. And if your house catches on fire on the east side, call a Quantico, or Fairfax firehouse and report the issue.
I feel sorry for everyone up there dealing with this. Back when I was with DCVFD we got along pretty good with the career staff. Many times, we would relieve them on a fire ground so they could go home. They would do the same for us. We backed each other up and treated each other as equals. I remember going through training and some of the paid guys would stay late after their shifts to give me some pointers and advise. Why? Because we were all brothers back then!!! This is a classic example of a piss poor attitude that is a direct result of leadership. The fire "chief" up there has obviously poisoned his people against what was once a pretty thriving system. This guy seems to have made it his mission to destroy a good thing so his Union brothers can take over. Just one more example of why unions need leashes. Now the citizens up there are going to suffer the most from this disaster. So glad I got out of that place!
From what I understand, isn't the real problem some of the trucks are not able to go to emergencies at night if the volunteers don't actually show up? I went with my boyfriend to a station one evening and the firefighters told us there was no one to drive the truck! Someone said that specialty trucks or something have to be called from Fairfax County because there are not enough volunteers to have people on them here. I don't care who shows up, I just want to know a fire crew will come when they're needed. It scares me to know that there might not be enough volunteers at night to answer an emergency.
All of this name calling is silly. Aren't you all on the same team?
First off why not put your comments on a Prince William Thread?? So you are going to have control of the county, big deal!!!
You sit there and complain about volunteers but VOLUNTEERS started the fire service, so without the start of the VOLUNTEER FIRE SERVICE you wouldn't have a paid position
You think you're so cool because you're a paid fireman. Now there are some good fireman in PWC paid and volunteer but I would put ALL VOLUNTEER houses in PG COUNTY against PWC any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Those boys are aggressive firefighters and constantly train. I've seen incidents of fires where the paid staff are bumbling around and jet things burn. So don't think you are all big and bad because you're a paid fireman and especially in PWC.
I mean we could bring up 13588 Dodsworth drive fire. A report of kids possibly still inside the house and the PWCDFR staffing Rescue 4 refused to go inside to perform a rapid search without a hose line.
So linemangetsum what makes you better than a volunteer?? Oh I know you get a paycheck. You work in a cushy county where 98% of your calls are email related and heaven forbid you get a fire. Yeah I've seen how y out paid guys work, I've seen you bumble around at times.
So you're going to save them county a lot of money. You will cost thyou county millions and millions of dollars. Sure you own a few fire trucks but not all of them.
You think you're all big and bad because you're a professional firefighter. You are no more special than the volunteer who wants to give up his/her own time to serve the community.
You think you're tough huh. The boys at Kentland would run circles around you not to mention they are 100% VOLUNTEER run more fire than you have ever seen. Only fire you've seen are the little ones at the academy. What are you still pulling your little 200ft of 1 3-4. They deploy 400ft and 600ft attack lines You guys can't do that, probably afraid you will hurt yourself
Hey 1337Fire420Blazenit, how long have you been out of the academy?? You sit there and bash PG COUNTY volunteers, they see more fire in a year than you will in your entire career at PWC!!! You might as well just blow them while they put the fire out. You are so self centered and I'm surprised you can fit your head in the door when you walk into the firehouse
The volunteers get good training and most of the guys that used to train the volunteers are guys from DCFD, oh let me guess you weren't good enough to get on the job there huh so you had to settle for PWC where you run AFA's, and ems calls. You want to put the volunteers down to make yourself seem more superior in which you aren't!!!
So go relax in your day room and try not to get hurt shuffling all the papers you push. Save the real firefighting to the true professionals like the guys in Fairfax or D.C. You're just an overpriced volunteer!!!!
I find a majority of these comments VERY offensive. I've been a firefighter for 1 year in PWC, and I can say nothing but good things about this department. I just recently got cleared to ride OIC. Yes, I may only have 1 year of experience, but I took the necessary classes and got all the experience I feel I need from those classes to be the unit OIC. We were taught in the academy that our safety is #1. So why would I run to the fire apparatus, or risk my life to run into a burning building to save someone??? On top of that, we were taught in the academy that fire is VERY HOT and DANGEROUS, and that the best possible way to prevent injuries is to stay stationary ouside a make a transitional attack, and wait for units from surrounding jurisdictions to make entry. People ask me all the time why I never make my guys pull a handline for a reported house on fire. Its simple.... ITS A PAIN IN THE ASS TO RERACK, and that goes for supply line as well. PWC firefighters are the MOST obedient, and confident fireifghters on the east coast. I don't personally have a problem with the volunteers in PWC. Im just offended by all the negativity.
As a Prince William County tax payer and a former volunteer of over 20 years I will be sending this to my BOCS representatives and Chief McGee for further action. Don't forget where you came from. Hypocrisy, Google it.
It was pretty painful, but I've managed to read through this thread in its entirety. Good news: I'm convinced the OP is nothing more than a troll trying to get everyone stirred up, and it seems he did a good job at the one thing he does best. He's not a firefighter, can't be! He's fooled you all! You see, a real firefighter wouldn't "say" what came off of this internet hero's fingers. A real firefighter would be too busy training (always train) and helping the public... to engage in a "Mine's bigger than yours!" battle with volunteers. A real firefighter would spend their downtime reviewing videos and reports to make themselves, and others, better and more efficient in the fight. A real firefighter is trained to work well in a team environment, supporting his brothers and sisters and being a link in a much larger chain. That's what real firefighters do. You see, this guy's nothing more than a "Joe" behind a screen and a keyboard. Maybe he tried to get hired and they discovered who he is. Maybe then he tried to volunteer, and couldn't get in! Hey, who am I to judge. But I assure you, he's not a real firefighter.
I've known many real firefighters in my time: I like to think I was one. Some are paid and some are volunteers. Some go home with a paycheck and benefits, others go home simply knowing they did a good job. But they all go into burning buildings to squirt water on the fire. They all do searches, pulling pets and people out. They all do overhaul, cut cars open to pull people out, get people out of rivers, lift patients and provide medical. They all do it (for the most part) exceptionally well. And with some exceptions, they're all professional.
Let's talk about that word: professional. PWC DFR 4EVA is relieved that the department will be run by "true professionals". I ask: are these the same "professionals" as the OP? If the OP truly is a paid firefighter, then I fear for the citizens within that district. That word "professional" goes deeper than the dictionary definition of being paid to do something. It's HOW you do something, you're view on it and how you handle yourself. If this person truly lacks the general regard for public safety displayed here by his/her blatant ignorance and hatred of volunteers-- people doing the same thing for (hopefully) the same reasons with less resources and manpower-- that begs the question: what the hell are they doing in a (paid) public safety career?
Tell ya what... on my box, I'll take the professional firefighter. Volunteer or paid, I couldn't care less as long as they show up trained, competent, prepared and ready to work as a team member. Leave the unprofessional (paid or volunteer) at home. Better yet, get rid of him/her, they are a cancer to an otherwise great organization.
MOST OBEDIENT and CONFIDENT on the east coast huh PWC OIC. Well I do applaud yiur confidence but your way out of your league with that statement. I love your use of sarcasm and I do applaud your effort n taking classes to be ablmto,ride the front seat. Have you seen fire yet besides a car far?? I'm guessing you have had command from a classroom practical??
Look whether your volunteer or paid in PWC y'all need to get along whether this is a ruse or not. Y'all have the same training only difference is you chose that as your profession, others didn't, doesn't mean because you're paid means your better than a volunteer and trust me their are some volunteers that know and have seen more than the career staff at PWC. I'm willing to be most of the career guys got their start as voltmeters and now these so called firefighters with inflated egos want to rash the volunteers PWC career staff needs the volunteers and vice versa, it's a system that has worked for god knows how long so stop all th whining and put your big boy pants on!!
There is a difference, a HUGE difference, the volunteers aren't brainwashed like a cult. The volunteers do it on THEIR time, on THEIR dime, for the passion and love of the job, and compassion for their fellow man, and community.
So, here is what I think the truth of the matter is, this individual isn't even an operational firefighter, this individual was PROBABLY the bottom of their academy class, and barely qualifies to be considered a firefighter. This individual was PROBABLY an affirmative action hire, to meet the requirements to meet the quota for the emotionally disgruntled and probably hasn't been in a fire or emergency situation,and has no idea the courage, strength, and commitment it takes to put YOUR life before that of another!! I don't give a shit, if you get a paycheck or not, we all do the same job!!!
I have many great memories of some amazing people I had the honor and privilege of running calls with, from PWC DFR. Obviously, the sad sack that wrote this, knows little to nothing, about honor, respect, OR professionalism.
Volunteers are the origins of the fire service, and I am saddened by this weak link in the chain mail that protects the citizens, and our brotherhood. I find it amusing though, he was ball less, and didn't claim his post with his name!!!
A former volunteer fire Chief was talking to my cadet FF once on an auto accident, and asked him what he wanted to do when he graduated from high school. And my recruit told him,"I want to be a professional Firefighter." And the Chief said to him, "Well, son, you ALREADY are. A paycheck doesn't make you a professional, it makes it a career. YOU make you a professional, by how you do your job."
And, because I am an anonymous little pussy, my name is Liam Riley, PROUD former volunteer firefighter!!!
I find it intriguing how you brag about how many volunteer women you've had sexual relations with. Then you end up calling them whores and hogs. You are just in the same position as them. I think its quite sad that the only way you can get you dick wet is for some girl that is in absolute desperation. That means you are the last person they are looking for to be satisfied.Which I highly doubt they are satisfied since you seem like the type of guy who cums in two minutes. You can keep talking about how you are banging all these chicks and calling them losers, but in fact you are the loser and and I'm sure you dick looks like cauliflower.
> MOST OBEDIENT and CONFIDENT on the east coast huh
> PWC OIC. Well I do applaud yiur confidence but
> your way out of your league with that statement. I
> love your use of sarcasm and I do applaud your
> effort n taking classes to be ablmto,ride the
> front seat. Have you seen fire yet besides a car
> far?? I'm guessing you have had command from a
> classroom practical??
> Look whether your volunteer or paid in PWC y'all
> need to get along whether this is a ruse or not.
> Y'all have the same training only difference is
> you chose that as your profession, others didn't,
> doesn't mean because you're paid means your better
> than a volunteer and trust me their are some
> volunteers that know and have seen more than the
> career staff at PWC. I'm willing to be most of the
> career guys got their start as voltmeters and now
> these so called firefighters with inflated egos
> want to rash the volunteers PWC career staff
> needs the volunteers and vice versa, it's a system
> that has worked for god knows how long so stop all
> th whining and put your big boy pants on!!
Moose, No I have never actually been into a LDH environment. Does it matter?? I work for one of the best departments ever.
You guys are taking some real obvious bait here. PWC OIC is clearly a troll, c'mon now.
DFR 4EVA is just stirring the shitpot. Check back in two weeks from your volunteer stations, cause you'll still be there.
Volunteers, please, stop responding to this bullshit with more shit. You know what volunteers should be doing? Staffing. Responding to calls. Sinking more time in just to give the shitbags who want to see us fail the middle finger.
Half the DFR staff were or remain volunteers, and I imagine most of them, while they have legitimate complaints about our system, think that OP is a moron who doesn't speak for them.
Just keep the fight going. Fight for the county, fight for our neighbors. Volunteers save lives and money, and bring passion to a service well known for producing jaded, incompassionate providers.
Vollies, lock it up- don't play at this guy/girl's level. Fuck em, move on and keep responding when your tones drop.
PWCDFR employees are lucky to have people who are willing to volunteer the night shifts so the career guys don't have to. Any holidays. And weekends. If/when they are gone, enjoy your new shift work, DFR 4EVA! Maybe you'll be singing a different tune when you're working on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
(P.S. DFR 4EVA...did you know that the IP address of who/where people post is not hard to find on forums?!)
Bottom line up front, the lack of professionalism and respect for the job in this post is utterly disgusting. Grow up and learn to express a basic thought with tact and actual intelligence. If you have a problem of with a section that you work with try using logical leadership and building them up to where you need to be. You're a public servant so look to the common goal, stop crying like a child and fix the problem you see. Crying about something only makes you look like an idiot and adds to the problem.
Man I thought the battle between volunteers and paid were bad in the 90s. Same thing are being said 25 years later. Fire Fighter paid or not paid are trained and tested the same. Lets just get along most of the volunteers don't want your jobs and the county couldn't afford to replace all the volunteers. Get over it.
> Also, can we please talk about 501 meme. That is
> the most honest meme I've ever seen. You guys
> don't drive, you fucking fly.
It's so cool being the fastest to the scene - until you kill a citizen doing twice the speed limit just so you can be second in instead of third. It's Russian roulette for station 501, and we all can't wait til your bullet comes around.
Until then though...you guys are the coolest. LMAO.
Its so cool, taking your time getting to the rig, and than taking your time getting to the scene until you kill a citizen trapped in a buring house. Maybe if 8,7,9,11,25 werent filled to the brim with cowards they might actually have a good shot at a blaze. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 12th, 25th arriving it doesn't matter, really, 501 will wiggle on up into the action and save the day, just sayin! Yeah they may be full of fuck sticks over there, both Volunteer and Paid but If shit hits the fan I want 501 there and in the area. #liveaction #illstayinfairfax #paycheckforlife
> Its so cool, taking your time getting to the rig,
> and than taking your time getting to the scene
> until you kill a citizen trapped in a buring
> house. Maybe if 8,7,9,11,25 werent filled to the
> brim with cowards they might actually have a good
> shot at a blaze. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 12th,
> 25th arriving it doesn't matter, really, 501 will
> wiggle on up into the action and save the day,
> just sayin! Yeah they may be full of fuck sticks
> over there, both Volunteer and Paid but If shit
> hits the fan I want 501 there and in the area.
> #liveaction #illstayinfairfax #paycheckforlife
Yes, the county has noticed all this "wiggling on up into the action" from 501. It's called freelancing and ignoring assignments so you assholes can just do whatever the fuck you want on scene. It's old and tired. You risk everyone else's life so you can brag to your badge bunny boyfriends that you went inside on a fire. Wow...that's so amazing.
J Rose fan Wrote:
> E25T Wrote:
> > Its so cool, taking your time getting to the
> > and than taking your time getting to the scene
> > until you kill a citizen trapped in a buring
> > house. Maybe if 8,7,9,11,25 werent filled to
> > brim with cowards they might actually have a
> > shot at a blaze. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 12th,
> > 25th arriving it doesn't matter, really, 501
> > wiggle on up into the action and save the day,
> > just sayin! Yeah they may be full of fuck
> > over there, both Volunteer and Paid but If shit
> > hits the fan I want 501 there and in the area.
> > #liveaction #illstayinfairfax #paycheckforlife
> Yes, the county has noticed all this "wiggling on
> up into the action" from 501. It's called
> freelancing and ignoring assignments so you
> assholes can just do whatever the fuck you want on
> scene. It's old and tired. You risk everyone
> else's life so you can brag to your badge bunny
> boyfriends that you went inside on a fire.
> Wow...that's so amazing.
It's not freelancing. It's called knowing your job and doing your job. Not standing at the command post waiting for an assignment or having to ask the IC "what should we do?"
City fags Wrote:
> Tickgirl Wrote:
> > Also, can we please talk about 501 meme. That
> > the most honest meme I've ever seen. You guys
> > don't drive, you fucking fly.
> It's so cool being the fastest to the scene -
> until you kill a citizen doing twice the speed
> limit just so you can be second in instead of
> third. It's Russian roulette for station 501, and
> we all can't wait til your bullet comes around.
> Until then though...you guys are the coolest.
I didn't imply that it was cool. I was stating it was true. I know that its dangerous, but I don't run with 501. So, it's not my problem.
James Rose Band Wrote:
> Let's address some real issue here.
> 1. Failing to take an assignment.
> 2. Failing to announce your position upon arrival.
> 3. Failing to stretch a handline
> 4. Failing to layout
> 5. Refusing to make entry.
> 6. Kevin Mcgee
> People should look at 501 as GODS.
> James Rose Band Wrote:
> > Let's address some real issue here.
> > 1. Failing to take an assignment.
> > 2. Failing to announce your position upon
> > 3. Failing to stretch a handline
> > 4. Failing to layout
> > 5. Refusing to make entry.
> > 6. Kevin Mcgee
> > People should look at 501 as GODS.
> Didn't you run with 501 though?
Don't think that's James. Not enough hashtags in the post. #sendit
I am very pleased to see that my points have sparked quite a discussion. I do find it very good that out of all of the volunteer comments, no one disputes what is going to happen. DFR will be taking over and ticks will be exterminated. When i think about the volunteers, I equate them to bedbugs in that they are both useless, annoying pests that take forever to get rid of.
Many of these hobbyists like to cite their resume as a response to my argument - "i have 1000 certs and I have been on the job for 15 years". That may well have mattered 10 years ago, but when was the last time your fat ass was in a gym? you are probably one of the guys i see winded after walking around a building on a fire alarm. and god forbid you have to lift a stretcher. if that happens, we may need 2 because you are going to have a heart attack.
let me tell you one thing, not all of my brothers will say it, but we all think it, things will be much better when one guy is in charge. and one guy in charge means the beginning of the end for you ticks.
i do not care if someone says i shouldnt say it. i'm tired of being quiet. i know we are going to win and i want every volunteer hobbyist to know and feel the sadness as their clubhouses are taken away. no one will shut me up. not ever
Let's be clear. No one cares about your opinion on the future of volunteering in PWC. They care about your disrespectful rhetoric of who volunteers are and why they do what they do (and your childish, shamefully unprofessional act of posting it on a public forum where it can be read by anyone, including the very citizens you have been entrusted to protect). You are an embarrassment to the PWC DFR and a disgrace to the brotherhood of firefighters.
What EgoKills means is that presenting these positions in public is frowned upon by upper management. We are only allowed to discuss these things behind closed doors. Discussions of volunteer incompetence shall only take place in private. It was not long ago that we had a meeting where upper management told us NOT to help the volly ticks. I can think of many times we have laughed at something stupid some tick did or complained about how they dont staff units, etc. We have been planning for this takeover for a long time. It is odd that everyone wants to deny it until it happens.
I do like the volly refusal to believe what is occurring and believing that we are all one happy family (or most of us). It is not true. Just as you don't like bedbugs in your house, we don't like volunteerbugs in ours. I am just tired of pretending and then talking honestly behind their backs. I want them to know and I wish everyone else would be honest as well.
PWC DFR 4EVA Wrote:
> I am very pleased to see that my points have
> sparked quite a discussion. I do find it very
> good that out of all of the volunteer comments, no
> one disputes what is going to happen. DFR will be
> taking over and ticks will be exterminated. When
> i think about the volunteers, I equate them to
> bedbugs in that they are both useless, annoying
> pests that take forever to get rid of.
> Many of these hobbyists like to cite their resume
> as a response to my argument - "i have 1000 certs
> and I have been on the job for 15 years". That
> may well have mattered 10 years ago, but when was
> the last time your fat ass was in a gym? you are
> probably one of the guys i see winded after
> walking around a building on a fire alarm. and
> god forbid you have to lift a stretcher. if that
> happens, we may need 2 because you are going to
> have a heart attack.
> let me tell you one thing, not all of my brothers
> will say it, but we all think it, things will be
> much better when one guy is in charge. and one
> guy in charge means the beginning of the end for
> you ticks.
> i do not care if someone says i shouldnt say it.
> i'm tired of being quiet. i know we are going to
> win and i want every volunteer hobbyist to know
> and feel the sadness as their clubhouses are taken
> away. no one will shut me up. not ever
Yes, you should be so pleased that your Chief had to write an apology letter for your toddler outburst. Don't flatter yourself kid. If you want to be taken seriously you should act your age and defend your reasoning articulately. As of right now you are acting unintelligent and showing how unprofessional you are. Luckily, I know a lot of people in the department that are kind,intelligent, and professional. So, you alone will not give Prince William County Fire and Rescue a bad name. I am hopeful though as the years go by you will realize that not all volunteers are there for the wrong reason.
The fact that you're proud to say you work for PWCDFR is nothing more than sad. I would never be proud to say I work for such a shitty department. Enjoy the Mcgee semen flavored kool-aid and have fun being the next "hero" to die in a fire... Oh wait I forgot. You union fags don't do that. You'd rather be in the front lawn circle jerking eachother and talk about how you learned some new Fire tactic on youtube.
The fact that any of you in PWC consider yourselves firefighters is laughable at best. Whether it's the 22 year old tic riding the seat of an engine, the big bad career staff riding on Squad 4 that won't do a search without a line in place when there are reports of people trapped, or my personal favorite..a BC getting his dick sucked in his vehicle by his female aid (who subsequently was promoted to lieutenant) all of you are the laughing stock of the COG. Neither side has any room to talk shit about anyone because both of you are equally embarrassing to the fire service..which may be why PWC has the worst retention rate for employees in the area. To the residents of PWC..yes you need a change..and it should start with the elf of a man they call a fire chief. Lastly, I hope none of you need a truck or squad company to respond to your house because it will either be OOS or staffed with members that fall below the "fuckin retarded" line on a IQ test...good thing fairfax is somewhat near by.
Oh I almost forgot...in the past 3 years how many DFR employees have been caught with child porn? If the answer is more than 0 then you have no leg to stand on. And how many failed responses has truck 13 had while the tics were waiting on their Kentland knockoff tower to come in?
Sorry I'm not done yet...I forgot about 1, and 9...1's career guys are all the rejects that couldn't cut it in a real department and the fuckin tics are all either fat as fuck or geriatric. However if you ever have the chance to hear them talk about themselves you'd think the department is the love child of FDNY and Kentland..give it up guys you're a bigger joke than the county fucks. As far as 9 goes...their "Batalion Chief" responds to med locals...enough said.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..Holy Shit! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH my God! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Volunteers have the same training" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Tell me you don't seriously believe that
So there's people who suck and fuck their way into rank AND people who on their 4 day break fuck their hobbyist best friends slam pig while they are on duty? Why are people paying attention to that and not the fact that McGee is a vegetarian? How can you trust a man who doesn't eat meat to run a fire department?
Instructor Gottman is a volunteer, isn't he? I'm pretty sure that man has been doing this shit since before a lot of you ass hats even were a twinkle in your father's eye. Who the fuck cares if you're DFR or Volunteer you all should have the same damn idea of what riding the rig is. PG Volly is also right we have zero fucking fires in this county so theirs no point in this pissing contest. Also, there are a lot of good career and volunteer men and women here but you're not in the FDNY or Kentland so don't act like you are because those guys are humble about the work they do and the fires they put out they don't try to be the salty dog because what matters is that you get along with those who you work around because your lives are both equally important. So cut the bullshit and don't act professionally be professional.