While driving on Sunset Hills Road between Reston Parkway and Fairfax County Pkwy recently, I've noticed a couple of police cars I've never seen before. They are white cars with "Police" in blue and a gold shield that reads "United States Police". They have US Government plates.

Does anyone know exactly which department these guys are with? The one officer I saw get out of a car (at the Chik-Fil-A) had a unit patch, but I was too far away to read it. He did have a Glock in a Blackhawk SERPA thigh rig, which is a little unusual for most uniformed officers.

Thanks in advance.

FPS

Federal Protective Service

It's part of GSA. They patrol the area around USGS, which is right on that stretch of road. I used to work near there and always saw them pulling people over, usually late-morning to midday.


correction: it's actually a part of DHS, they just patrol GSA owned property



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2008 01:19PM by TheMeeper.

There are MANY Federal buildings in Reston\Herndon and Fairfax County. The Federal Aviation Air Traffic Control System Command Center is hidden in the Reston\Herndon area.

Those building are patrolled by US FPS and they stop cars around those building. There is a road that runs through USGS and the FPS like to setup radar on it and pull people over all the time.

We live in Northern Virginia/DC area. Home for many military bases and government agencies. Why are people so surprised by government or military issues vehicles? OMG, I was on Ft.Belvoir just getting groceries and when I left there was a helicopter flying over me, do you think that they are after me? I mean it was all flying low and stuffffff Give it a rest!!!

Please, not again with the helicopter discussions...

ITRADE Wrote:
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> Please, not again with the helicopter
> discussions...

What type of helicopter?

Give'm a break, it was just a curious question about a police vehicle. It's certainly better than the dozen or so school threads on this page.

native. Wrote:
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> We live in Northern Virginia/DC area. Home for
> many military bases and government agencies. Why
> are people so surprised by government or military
> issues vehicles? OMG, I was on Ft.Belvoir just
> getting groceries and when I left there was a
> helicopter flying over me, do you think that they
> are after me? I mean it was all flying low and
> stuffffff Give it a rest!!!

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Give'm a break, it was just a curious question
> about a police vehicle. It's certainly better
> than the dozen or so school threads on this page.


touché

native. Wrote:
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> We live in Northern Virginia/DC area. Home for
> many military bases and government agencies. Why
> are people so surprised by government or military
> issues vehicles? OMG, I was on Ft.Belvoir just
> getting groceries and when I left there was a
> helicopter flying over me, do you think that they
> are after me? I mean it was all flying low and
> stuffffff Give it a rest!!!


Ummm...where did I say I was surprised or that I thought they were after me? I simply saw a police car with no department listed on the side and was curious which agency it was. Why would you get so worked up about that?

He's an asshole like most on this forum.



copwatcher Wrote:
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> native. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We live in Northern Virginia/DC area. Home for
> > many military bases and government agencies.
> Why
> > are people so surprised by government or
> military
> > issues vehicles? OMG, I was on Ft.Belvoir just
> > getting groceries and when I left there was a
> > helicopter flying over me, do you think that
> they
> > are after me? I mean it was all flying low and
> > stuffffff Give it a rest!!!
>
>
> Ummm...where did I say I was surprised or that I
> thought they were after me? I simply saw a police
> car with no department listed on the side and was
> curious which agency it was. Why would you get so
> worked up about that?

Between the police, the schools and helicopters does anyone ever worry about anything else in Fairfax? That's all this board has become.

i cant wait for the thread about the police arresting school board members for illegal redistricting in order to keep out illegal aliens. i fully expect the fcpd swat will be repelling from a helicopter and accidentally shooting people that have illegal window tinting.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> i cant wait for the thread about the police
> arresting school board members for illegal
> redistricting in order to keep out illegal aliens.
> i fully expect the fcpd swat will be repelling
> from a helicopter and accidentally shooting people
> that have illegal window tinting.

HA!

? Wrote:
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> Between the police, the schools and helicopters
> does anyone ever worry about anything else in
> Fairfax? That's all this board has become.


You forgot the rhetorical questions of a) why are there no strip clubs in FFX, b) where is the best "head" shop in FFX, and c) why can't I buy a Barrett .50 cal rifle in FFX?

Again with these helicopter posts but no descriptions?

ITRADE Wrote:
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c) why can't I buy a
> Barrett .50 cal rifle in FFX?

I don't remember this question but you can buy a .50 cal in Fairfax. (You may have to buy it from another county/state but there is no restriction against a FFX county resident from having one).

He was trying to be funny.


Mofo Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> c) why can't I buy a
> > Barrett .50 cal rifle in FFX?
>
> I don't remember this question but you can buy a
> .50 cal in Fairfax. (You may have to buy it from
> another county/state but there is no restriction
> against a FFX county resident from having one).

Ah, apparently my humor is lacking these days.

I see almost everyday a police car paked on the 10th St. side of the Hoover Building (named after a man that wore a dress) that has stenciled on the door and side "FBI Police." I assume it is there for people guarding the building, but I think the title is a bit redundant. FBI Police is not as silly a title as the "Uniformed Secret Service" though. Perhaps "police" has a different, more limited definition than "agent."

People that sit on the lawn at Wolf Trap suck.

FUNdamental Wrote:
>> I see almost everyday a police car paked on the 10th St. side of the Hoover Building

The FPS does guard the Hoover Building. I always wondered how some of those special agents must feel about being guarded by ex-GSA rent-a-cops.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> I see almost everyday a police car paked on the
> 10th St. side of the Hoover Building (named after
> a man that wore a dress) that has stenciled on the
> door and side "FBI Police." I assume it is there
> for people guarding the building, but I think the
> title is a bit redundant. FBI Police is not as
> silly a title as the "Uniformed Secret Service"
> though. Perhaps "police" has a different, more
> limited definition than "agent."
>
> People that sit on the lawn at Wolf Trap suck.


I saw the "FBI Police" at a CVS the other day, and thought it odd.

Somewhere a couple years back there was a listing of all sworn and legal police forces in the DC area. IIRC, it was over 100 different agencies.

Everything from Fairfax County police, to WMATA police, to Smithsonian police, to GMU police, to Amtrak police, to Bureau of Engraving/Printing police, to the local sheriff in every county/city (Alexandria, Falls Church City, Fairfax, Arlington, etc.), Pentagon police, on and on and on.

Police forces operating in and/or around DC.
All jurisdictional police
Metropolitan Police
Metro Transit Police
Housing Police
Amtrak Police
Capitol Police
Park Police
Naval District Washington Police
Treasury Police
Secret Service Uniformed Div.
Zoo Police
GSA Police
Postal Police
Defense Protective Service
FBI Police
Veteran's Administration Police
Military Police
Federal Protective Service
Nat'l Institutes of Health Police
Gov. Printing Office Police
State Department Police
Library of Congress Police
Supreme Court Police
US Mint Police

US Park police also work at Wolf Trap and must deal with those filthy, arrogant, fat, lawn people.

There are others....

MWAA Police

etc., etc., etc.

http://www.dc-fop.org/member-agencies.php



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/23/2008 11:36AM by ITRADE.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> >> I see almost everyday a police car paked on the
> 10th St. side of the Hoover Building
>
> The FPS does guard the Hoover Building. I always
> wondered how some of those special agents must
> feel about being guarded by ex-GSA rent-a-cops.

FPS does not guard the Hoover building the FBI Police do (who aren't agents and only guard FBI facilities/personnel.) FPS may assist them from time to time I don't know.

The FBI police are just security guards.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/23/2008 04:01PM by RESton Peace.

No its not the federal protective service. The federal protective service vechicles say Federal Protective service right on them. What this guy is talking about is the "CIA SPS" CIA POLICE.

Still a douchebag...


FUNdamental Wrote:
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> Police forces operating in and/or around DC.
> All jurisdictional police
> Metropolitan Police
> Metro Transit Police
> Housing Police
> Amtrak Police
> Capitol Police
> Park Police
> Naval District Washington Police
> Treasury Police
> Secret Service Uniformed Div.
> Zoo Police
> GSA Police
> Postal Police
> Defense Protective Service
> FBI Police
> Veteran's Administration Police
> Military Police
> Federal Protective Service
> Nat'l Institutes of Health Police
> Gov. Printing Office Police
> State Department Police
> Library of Congress Police
> Supreme Court Police
> US Mint Police
>
> US Park police also work at Wolf Trap and must
> deal with those filthy, arrogant, fat, lawn
> people.

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> The FBI police are just security guards.


Perhaps,but these security guards are sworn LEOs so they can arrest you unlike a security guard. As far as I know no rent a cop or security guard can use the word police on their person or vehicles, though they do try very hard to make their uniforms look like real cops as much as possible even with stupid badges to strike fear into would be skateboarders.

Mofo, you are correct they can not use the word Police in Virginia,however, armed security officers in Virginia can per the below code make an arrest on private property.. So the next time your skateboarding on private property and the security guard is packing heat, he can arrest you..

ooops forgot to post the code.


9.1-146. Limitation on powers of registered armed security officers.

Compliance with the provisions of this article shall not itself authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or exercise any powers of a conservator of the peace. A registered armed security officer of a private security services business while at a location which the business is contracted to protect shall have the power to effect an arrest for an offense occurring (i) in his presence on such premises or (ii) in the presence of a merchant, agent, or employee of the merchant the private security business has contracted to protect, if the merchant, agent, or employee had probable cause to believe that the person arrested had shoplifted or committed willful concealment of goods as contemplated by § 18.2-106. For the purposes of § 19.2-74, a registered armed security officer of a private security services business shall be considered an arresting officer.

NoStinkinName Wrote:
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> Mofo, you are correct they can not use the word
> Police in Virginia,however, armed security
> officers in Virginia can per the below code make
> an arrest on private property.. So the next time
> your skateboarding on private property and the
> security guard is packing heat, he can arrest
> you..

Only if I'm shoplifting, when is the last time you were pulled over by a mall security pickup with their yellow lights for running a mall stop sign? Most security guards I see seem to barely be able to speak English. Though it is funny I have been to numerous federal buildings who contract their security to private firms (thought FPS will come in if there are demonstrations or what not) and the people with the private firm are stupider than all shit.

"if the merchant, agent, or employee had probable cause to believe that the person arrested had shoplifted or committed willful concealment of goods as contemplated by § 18.2-106. For the purposes of § 19.2-74, a registered armed security officer of a private security services business shall be considered an arresting officer".

plus anyone can pack heat in this state (openly)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/23/2008 09:36PM by Mofo.

No its not if your only shoplifiting. Read the code again. Your right mall security guards can't effect an arrest under the code because they are not armed, at least none that I have seen. Your also right that anyone can carry a weapon openly in this state, however, for a security guard to carry on duty for a private security company he must be registered with DCJS.

I am not debating with you that most don't speak english or are not quilfied to be doing the job. I am just saying that on private property a armed secuirty guard can make an arrest. In your example skateboarding on private property would fall under trespassing. Per the code if the guard tells you leave and you don't that is an offense occuring in their presence and you can be arrested. In 99 percent of the cases they will just most likely call the police though and let them handle it cause the problem is once the arrest you then transporting you to a magistrate becomes an issue cause most don't have cars set up to do it.




A registered armed security officer of a private security services business while at a location which the business is contracted to protect shall have the power to effect an arrest for an offense occurring (i) in his presence on such premises or

NostinkinName Wrote:
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> No its not if your only shoplifiting. Read the
> code again. Your right mall security guards can't
> effect an arrest under the code because they are
> not armed, at least none that I have seen. Your
> also right that anyone can carry a weapon openly
> in this state, however, for a security guard to
> carry on duty for a private security company he
> must be registered with DCJS.
>
> I am not debating with you that most don't speak
> english or are not quilfied to be doing the job. I
> am just saying that on private property a armed
> secuirty guard can make an arrest. In your example
> skateboarding on private property would fall under
> trespassing. Per the code if the guard tells you
> leave and you don't that is an offense occuring in
> their presence and you can be arrested. In 99
> percent of the cases they will just most likely
> call the police though and let them handle it
> cause the problem is once the arrest you then
> transporting you to a magistrate becomes an issue
> cause most don't have cars set up to do it.
>
>
>
>
> A registered armed security officer of a private
> security services business while at a location
> which the business is contracted to protect shall
> have the power to effect an arrest for an offense
> occurring (i) in his presence on such premises or

I had no idea VA gave their rent a cops that much power. I used to work in the FFX court house and once saw one of their security guards sitting in the drivers seat a sheriffs car with the engine on near one of the entrances (this was during the early phases of the expansion construction).

They were probably just letting them use the car to keep warm until the guard shack got built.

What is GSA? General Services Adminstration? I remember back in the day only seeing Federal Police cars that guarded the CIA after that pakistani shot all those workers in the turn lane back in '95. That came about as a direct
result of that shooting, and I guess the long laundry list of all these new ones came after 911 and all this Homeland Security hysteria. Terrorism in America is nothing new. From the Weatherman bombing the Capitol to Puerto Ricans bombing George Washington's favorite tavern/hotel in New York, this shit has been going on for decades. People have been crashing helicopters and airplanes into the whitehouse for decades as well, and it was handled without all these extra agencies. The FBI also dismantled the Black Panthers and AIM back in the sixties and seventies w/o all these extra agencies and Homeland Security. Granted the FBI is all fubar'd nowadays, but putting everything under the Homeland Security umbrella is not the answer. That's just creating more bureaucracy and unecessary red tape. A more effective tactic would have been to overhaul the FBI and restructure the CIA inorder to operate in the present world of global terrorism. If you think grouping everything together is the answer look at the relationship between the ATF and the FBI since they were all put under the same umbrella/jurisdiction.
The FBI refuses to coordinate or assist the ATF in anyway and still
prefers to do things their way and impede others rather than assist in common goals. Fuck all this extra shit, revamp the FBI and make the CIA's main focus global and state sponsored terrorism.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2008 09:01PM by DeathByCop.

You guys are hilarious. Is this for real?

NostinkinName Wrote:
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> No its not if your only shoplifiting. Read the
> code again.

Correct: it says "or (ii) [merchant is there and says shoplifting]".

> Your right mall security guards can't effect an arrest
> under the code because they are not armed

Correct: un-armed guards are not covered by the part of the
law entitled "LIMITATIONS on REGISTERED ARMED security officers".

But you can't thereby conclude that unarmed guards, or guards
which are armed (open or concealed) but not registered,
don't have any arrest powers.

I might guess that they have the same arrest powers as any
citizen does, for example. In Virginia, at common law, a
private citizen may arrest another for a breach of the peace
committed in his presence. (I am pretty sure this would
include trespassing, but it surely would include "disturbing
the peace" by skateboarding in a prohibited area.)

> for a security guard to carry on duty for a private security
> company he must be registered with DCJS.

That could be true; I don't know, it's not in what you posted.

It would still not prevent un-armed guards from arresting anyone.
From what you posted, I think the main point of this law is actually
just to establish what's in the first sentence. First, that this
law is NOT what allows the armed registered guard to arrest anyone.
("shall not...ANY powers of a [peace officer]"). Those arrest
powers are coming from some other law, and they were broader,
because this is merely the law that LIMITS them. (And does not
apply for example to un-armed guards.) Secondly, make sure that
these limitations don't authorize concealed carry.


> In your example skateboarding on private property would
> fall under trespassing. Per the code if the guard tells
> you leave and you don't that is an offense occuring in
> their presence and you can be arrested.

I am not sure whether a NO SKATEBOARDING sign would legally
establish that someone who is discovered skateboarding is
committing a trespass. (Posting a notice is one way in
Virginia of doing this, but I don't know the case law on that,
and the facts about the sign being reasonably seen, for example,
might be in question.) But once someone is asked to leave,
and they refuse, that's definitely trespassing.

this is terribly gay