Springfield mall area CCW another reason not leave home with out it

The area around the mall will always continue to bring down the area. As said before, tear down a bunch of the other stuff in the area too, then, maybe, you have a chance.

Anybody out there with any actual demographic data? How many of those new jobs already exist? How is the housing market compared to other zip codes in Northern Va? if the jobs are already there; the housing market should be recovering/improving and bringing in new residents. Just like on the way down new residents bring their friends, on the way up new residents can bring friends.

Demolition is very slow. Probably changing plans and reviewing for location of new FBI building. Malls are on the decline and this location would be ideal for the complex. Could still entertain an open court for a few restaurants while Macy's and Target probably want to move.

The above statement is just stupid.

You're dumb Wrote:
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> The above statement is just stupid.

You're hoping it's a dumb statement but but in reality they are seriously considering the proposal.

Hoover's fashion court Wrote:
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> You're dumb Wrote:
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> > The above statement is just stupid.
>
> You're hoping it's a dumb statement "but but" in
> reality they are seriously considering the
> proposal.


Two buts are better than one.

Any idea about the neighborhood right by Lee high school....
anybody plan on renovating that. I've seen all kinds of renovated houses in springfield area but not there.

burkeresident Wrote:
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> why when I goto springfieldmall.com the drafted
> photos seem like the new mall would be enclosed
> and not an open mall like planned?


The back side of it will be open I took pics at the office the ave a big model of it I will upload those pics soon!

Jose Can U See Wrote:
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> The biggest problem with Springfield Mall or Town
> Center is its location in Springfield.


Hahaha

I grew up most of my life in Springfield, the problem was that it became a cross roads more than a location. The mixing bowl sealed the deal that development and growth would go further down into Dale City and Fredericksburg. Politicians thought they were improving the traffic in springfield and making it more viable for business by creating that monstrosity, but all they did is subsidize living further out and put the death nail in that part of Springfield. The only thing that can save that area economically is if they can bring in a major government tenant like the FBI or find a white whale private industry partner.

While the Mixing Bowl did make it easier to go further away from a city center due to less traffic it should eventually also make Springfield a hub for local companies. I can see why people would be worried about the transient nature but isnt DC itself pretty transient with new elected officials and new contractors basically in and out every year.

jack Wrote:
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> While the Mixing Bowl did make it easier to go
> further away from a city center due to less
> traffic it should eventually also make Springfield
> a hub for local companies. I can see why people
> would be worried about the transient nature but
> isnt DC itself pretty transient with new elected
> officials and new contractors basically in and out
> every year.


Except that theory has never been proven. Corporations that select offices seem to find highway infrastructure just as unsightly as residential owners. No one wants to be over shaddowed by a 10 story highway. They want a prime location, in the center of town, around other things, food amenities for employees, etc.

The same thing was said about the SESW freeway when it was built, that companies would flock to it because it provided quick access for employees, but the opposite became true. Every last company moved away because the area turned into a slum.

Highways and commercial business districts simply do not mix. You kill the very commercial dynamics you were trying to help. Best solution is to build highways up to the general zone, then step down via multiple different smaller city scale roads that can disperse the traffic.

Tysons Engineer Wrote:
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> jack Wrote:
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> > While the Mixing Bowl did make it easier to go
> > further away from a city center due to less
> > traffic it should eventually also make
> Springfield
> > a hub for local companies. I can see why
> people
> > would be worried about the transient nature but
> > isnt DC itself pretty transient with new
> elected
> > officials and new contractors basically in and
> out
> > every year.
>
>
> Except that theory has never been proven.
> Corporations that select offices seem to find
> highway infrastructure just as unsightly as
> residential owners. No one wants to be over
> shaddowed by a 10 story highway. They want a prime
> location, in the center of town, around other
> things, food amenities for employees, etc.
>
> The same thing was said about the SESW freeway
> when it was built, that companies would flock to
> it because it provided quick access for employees,
> but the opposite became true. Every last company
> moved away because the area turned into a slum.
>
> Highways and commercial business districts simply
> do not mix. You kill the very commercial dynamics
> you were trying to help. Best solution is to build
> highways up to the general zone, then step down
> via multiple different smaller city scale roads
> that can disperse the traffic.


I notice your username is Tysons Engineer. Any thoughts on what the metro infrastructure (above road highways) will do to that area.

jack Wrote:
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> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jack Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > While the Mixing Bowl did make it easier to
> go
> > > further away from a city center due to less
> > > traffic it should eventually also make
> > Springfield
> > > a hub for local companies. I can see why
> > people
> > > would be worried about the transient nature
> but
> > > isnt DC itself pretty transient with new
> > elected
> > > officials and new contractors basically in
> and
> > out
> > > every year.
> >
> >
> > Except that theory has never been proven.
> > Corporations that select offices seem to find
> > highway infrastructure just as unsightly as
> > residential owners. No one wants to be over
> > shaddowed by a 10 story highway. They want a
> prime
> > location, in the center of town, around other
> > things, food amenities for employees, etc.
> >
> > The same thing was said about the SESW freeway
> > when it was built, that companies would flock
> to
> > it because it provided quick access for
> employees,
> > but the opposite became true. Every last
> company
> > moved away because the area turned into a slum.
> >
> > Highways and commercial business districts
> simply
> > do not mix. You kill the very commercial
> dynamics
> > you were trying to help. Best solution is to
> build
> > highways up to the general zone, then step down
> > via multiple different smaller city scale roads
> > that can disperse the traffic.
>
>
> I notice your username is Tysons Engineer. Any
> thoughts on what the metro infrastructure (above
> road highways) will do to that area.

Potholes and concrete. Springfield bit the dust in 1992. The roads are designed to drive thru or around Springfield.
Fischer's hardware was the last nail.

jack Wrote:
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> Tysons Engineer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jack Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > While the Mixing Bowl did make it easier to
> go
> > > further away from a city center due to less
> > > traffic it should eventually also make
> > Springfield
> > > a hub for local companies. I can see why
> > people
> > > would be worried about the transient nature
> but
> > > isnt DC itself pretty transient with new
> > elected
> > > officials and new contractors basically in
> and
> > out
> > > every year.
> >
> >
> > Except that theory has never been proven.
> > Corporations that select offices seem to find
> > highway infrastructure just as unsightly as
> > residential owners. No one wants to be over
> > shaddowed by a 10 story highway. They want a
> prime
> > location, in the center of town, around other
> > things, food amenities for employees, etc.
> >
> > The same thing was said about the SESW freeway
> > when it was built, that companies would flock
> to
> > it because it provided quick access for
> employees,
> > but the opposite became true. Every last
> company
> > moved away because the area turned into a slum.
> >
> > Highways and commercial business districts
> simply
> > do not mix. You kill the very commercial
> dynamics
> > you were trying to help. Best solution is to
> build
> > highways up to the general zone, then step down
> > via multiple different smaller city scale roads
> > that can disperse the traffic.
>
>
> I notice your username is Tysons Engineer. Any
> thoughts on what the metro infrastructure (above
> road highways) will do to that area.


Considering Tysons is one of the few areas in NOVA which have actually reduced the vacancy rate in Office space, I think the metro is proving to be beneficial to the economy of Tysons (even if it is above ground).

I know a lot of people are against it (as I was), but with Tysons it is a matter of scale. Right now the metro seems big, but when 25 story buildings start going up along side of it, the impact will be reduced.

That being said there are clear winners and losers forming in Tysons subregions.

Route 123 on the McLean side is seeing far more development and growth in Office, North Tysons along westpark is seeing a lot of growth for residential. However Route 7 has seen almost no growth of office, and only limited residential at Spring Hill Station.

That trend will likely continue as Northeast Tysons becomes far more urban, as western Tysons struggles to reform from strip malls and car dealerships.

There are a lot of examples of above ground rail that are very successful. We'll see if Silver Line becomes one. Personally I think it will initially function fine, and if successful, it would only take a few million dollars (less than 1 percent of the project) to provide some aesthetic improvements, facade work on pier sections, landscaping, etc.

We'll see

You ever been to a new subdivision? Stuff looks weird when it is first built. When trees, and lights, and buildings start going in the metro will look alot more natural.

I grew up in Springfield and worked at the mall as a teenager, and I'm shocked at the sub-human demagraphics of folks interested in the new concept, Springfield Town Center. I guess the the KKK has decided to populate the area once known as a middle-class area. My desire to comment on the new format has changed to reflect on where these dumb white people came from, because I'm white, and all of my Springfield/Annandale friends find this dialoge embarrassing and not representive of our hometown. The crime has EVERYTHING to do with the decision of the county to ignore the i395 part of the county, and funnel all funds/improvements to the i66 and rt28 corridors. The area's decline is the result of the county's indifference, PERIOD!

Most likely because the county workers live in those areas that they chose to fix and ignored other areas in dire need of fixing!

Shocked Wrote:
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> I grew up in Springfield and worked at the mall as
> a teenager, and I'm shocked at the sub-human
> demagraphics of folks interested in the new
> concept, Springfield Town Center. I guess the the
> KKK has decided to populate the area once known as
> a middle-class area. My desire to comment on the
> new format has changed to reflect on where these
> dumb white people came from, because I'm white,
> and all of my Springfield/Annandale friends find
> this dialoge embarrassing and not representive of
> our hometown. The crime has EVERYTHING to do with
> the decision of the county to ignore the i395 part
> of the county, and funnel all funds/improvements
> to the i66 and rt28 corridors. The area's decline
> is the result of the county's indifference,
> PERIOD!

Revitalizing Springfield Plaza and the surrounding areas should be next:

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/springfield/

forrealthoush Wrote:
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> They need to get rid of those crappy hotels around
> there, get strict with the parking laws and car
> modification laws. If you have md tags and your
> car is parked for more then 7 days. TOW. If your
> car has aftermarket modifications. TOW. Get a
> housing inspector to go through all the homes,
> kick out all the rooms being illegally rented out.
> Get rid of the dealerships (VW), and all those
> crappy looking shops around it, Motel 6, maybe
> update the 5 guys. I dont see why they need so
> many shitty hotels, if you checkout backpage you
> can see they love springfield.

sieg heil

but seriously, you're gay and retarded