Marijuana Grow Operation Nets Two Arrests in
Fairfax Station
Narcotics detectives executed a search warrant at 9836 South Park Circle in the Fairfax Station area of Fairfax County. The search warrant is the result of an on-going investigation into an alleged marijuana grow operation.

The homeowners answered the door on Monday, October 30 shortly after 9 p.m. and the search warrant was executed without incident.

A closet grow operation and packaged marijuana was found in the home.

Leonard E. Marsh, 50 and Jinny S. Marsh, 56, of 9836 South Park Circle, were both arrested. Leonard Marsh was transported to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center and was charged with manufacturing marijuana. Jinny Marsh was charged with possession of marijuana and released on a summons.

[www.fairfaxcounty.gov]



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How do you manufacture marijuana? Is there a specific machine that you need? What are the ingredients you need? Oh well I will breathe safer now knowing that these evil plants have been liberated from creation.

Does anyone really care about Pot anymore??? I mean come on, it's not going away, no matter how hard you fight it.. Stop wasting money

yummmmm......

Nice Wrote:
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> Does anyone really care about Pot anymore??? I
> mean come on, it's not going away, no matter how
> hard you fight it.. Stop wasting money

SO VERY TRUE!

Better yet, legalize all drugs and tax them like the currently legal drugs.

Alcohol and nicotine kill WAY more people than pot, coke, heroin, etc!

duh Wrote:
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> Alcohol and nicotine kill WAY more people than
> pot, coke, heroin, etc!


Ummmmm, that's because they ARE legal and far more accessible to most people. If the other crap was legalized they would catch up and perhaps surpass alcohol and nicotine in no time as we created a nation of more and more drug addicted people.

Apparently this guy is the assistant principal at Cub Run Elementary.

Yes, he is one of Fairfax's fine educational leaders.

See new thread on this subject.

the guys, leonard or w/e was my fifth grade teacher.
hgahahah
no no. but really.
hahha!
this is hilarios.
talk about karma

Maybe you care if Mr. Marsh is a principal at an elementary school and his wife teaches religion to children.

Lurker. Wrote: They are wonderful people. He is fabulous at school with the children and she is as well at temple working with the students and lending her magnificent voice and leadership to our services. My child participates at both of these communities so I speak from experience. I am very sad today that these people who I have witnessed contribute so positively to our communities are in such a situation.
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> Marijuana Grow Operation Nets Two Arrests in
> Fairfax Station
> Narcotics detectives executed a search
> warrant at 9836 South Park Circle in the Fairfax
> Station area of Fairfax County. The search warrant
> is the result of an on-going investigation into an
> alleged marijuana grow operation.
>
> The homeowners answered the door on
> Monday, October 30 shortly after 9 p.m. and the
> search warrant was executed without incident.
>
> A closet grow operation and packaged
> marijuana was found in the home.
>
> Leonard E. Marsh, 50 and Jinny S.
> Marsh, 56, of 9836 South Park Circle, were both
> arrested. Leonard Marsh was transported to the
> Fairfax County Adult Detention Center and was
> charged with manufacturing marijuana. Jinny Marsh
> was charged with possession of marijuana and
> released on a summons.
>
> [www.fairfaxcounty.gov]
> s2007/103107marijuanagrowops.htm
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> edit by Cary: Made thumbnail from huge original.
> Click for full-size.

"MARSH ","LEONARD ","E","048"," 9836","SOUTH PARK ","CI","FAIRFAX STAT","VA","04/13/2005","65-69MPH/50MPH ZONE

Meh. Whatever.

it's the principal or his twin -- if you google marsh and the phrase Cub Run you can see the old homepage with Lenny's pic next to Jenni , the pirncipal. matches the mug shot.

Google comes up with an African-american Lenny Marsh who is a teacher and musician - surprised FCPS doesn't try to put the blame on him. Maybe that's why they took of the real Lenny Marsh photo.

Perhaps they used the pot for medical purposes.

Is that Stan Marsh's father from South Park? -§

Yeah Stan's Dad is always getting in trouble.
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Please show some compassion. I suspect that these professional people required the weed for

a. medicinal purposes, or

b. as part of their religious beliefs.

We in Fairfax County take great pride in always producing the best of everytbing, even pot.

Jinny was my hebrew tutor. While the lavish suburban lifestyle isn't something I tend to associate with a path in tune with creation, I fail to see how their "manufacturing" of marijuana has any implications on their ability to teach in any capacity. Get over it. It's just pot. It doesn't make them evil. I don't give a shit why they needed it, wanted it, felt inclined to possess it. You who are so critical should examine yourselves.

And by the way, it's not hypocritical to tell KIDS not to do drugs and smoke pot yourself. You would tell children not to drink, even if you do.

Think about it.

for yourself.

(novel concept, I know.)

^

chutzpah

I bet they had glaucoma and had the pot to help them.

Trickie

they live right down the street from me. they are insane potheads.

I hate the Marshs', tree hugging hippies
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Wow, those are my neighbors, I mowed the house's lawn right next to them. Creepy dude.

Did they have kids????

wonder how they caught them. an operation like that is too small to detect through elevated electricity bills or infrared cameras. either the stink or a snitch is my guess.

I wonder how they even find out about a closet grow room...? Did a neighbor smell it and call?

> The search warrant is the result of an on-going investigation into an
> alleged marijuana grow operation.

on-going investigation?

most likely a snitch...he was probably selling ounces to someone who got caught and ran their mouths...stupid snitches cant ever face the music...weed shmeed its just a leaf.

Robert Wrote:
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> Wow, those are my neighbors, I mowed the house's
> lawn right next to them. Creepy dude.


So, did they have a grassy lawn? :)

I know the family personally, and these are great people who were caught in a bad situation. He's going to pay far more penalty than the crime would imply because he is an assistant pricipal. It's sad because these are the nicest people who were very likely growing for their own personal use and now their lives have been turned upside down.

A pot smoker who actually works? Can't be true...

De-criminalize it already people! Jesus Chirst. It's more organic than a pack of Camels and has less cancer causing agents, but just isn't taxed...

I love how Afghanistan is not producing more opium/heroin than it ever has with the most US presence there in history yet we do nothing about it so we can have some illusion of control over the country. Heroin is 100 times worse a drug than marijuana and all we need to do is napalm a couple thousand acres in Afghanistan to kill it at the source, instead we go after the end users which makes the least amount of sense and costs the most amount of money. But at the same time we send billions to Columbia in arms and troops to fight cocaine plants.

It doesnt smell as a plant does it until it is actually smoked? Sounds like someone turned snitch on them, the lowest form of human.

For my money if he showed up for work everyday, paid his taxes, kept his lawn cut and didnt encourage the kids to use drugs then who cares. It must have been a class one misdemeanor since he was released on a summons.

Pot plants have a very noticeable odor while they are growing. But it's doubtful that someone smelled them from outside the house. I'm guessing it was some jerkoff that snitched them out to keep himself out of trouble.

hold em Wrote:
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> It doesnt smell as a plant does it until it is
> actually smoked? Sounds like someone turned snitch
> on them, the lowest form of human.
>
> For my money if he showed up for work everyday,
> paid his taxes, kept his lawn cut and didnt
> encourage the kids to use drugs then who cares. It
> must have been a class one misdemeanor since he
> was released on a summons.

hold em Wrote:
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> It doesnt smell as a plant does it until it is
> actually smoked? Sounds like someone turned snitch
> on them, the lowest form of human.
>
> For my money if he showed up for work everyday,
> paid his taxes, kept his lawn cut and didnt
> encourage the kids to use drugs then who cares. It
> must have been a class one misdemeanor since he
> was released on a summons.

His wife was released on summons, he wasn't. Cultivation in VA is a felony 5-30 years, $10,000 fine. [www.norml.org]

Ouch, I thought it was the husband who was released on a summons, man that does suck. Some rat must have done him in or he talked too much.

I don't know much about pot but have never heard of anyone doing crime to support the habit unless you consider growing it to smoke it a crime. I really hate the nanny government we have become that is turning everyone into a criminal these days.

Dude, the government sucks. Except for that part about them paying my slaary. But other than that...


Hey wait I PAY MY SALARY! I pay taxes, which are then payed back to me. What a rip-off.

With any decent lawyer this guy is going to get his charges lowered to a misdemeanor
possession. In VA for cultivation they need to show that he was distributing the stuff and not just using it for himself. So, unless they have proof that he sold or gave the pot to someone then the worst he can get is possession. Of course, he loses his job, etc.,

What a shame, not only because these are fine citizens that contribute to society and are genuinely good people but because now our tax dollars are going towards prosecuting them while M13 gangmembers rule Fairfax County in actually dealing drugs, killing people, committing crimes etc. The Fairfax cops love these easy busts because they know no one will get hurt (except maybe Dr Sal Culosi who they murdered in cold blood), they're scared of the real criminals so they let them get away. This is a truly screwed up society but I guess it could be worse.

I drove my kids to school, who attend cub run on the morning of the 31st and it took me by surprise when the news helicopter was hoovering very low over the school, as well as many, many men dressed in dark blue jackets with "security" on the back of them were scattered all over the sidewalks as well as approaching each bus when the kids were unloading, the school staff were also scattered on the sidewalks to keep the press from approaching the kids, there were unmarked police cars everywhere and parents galore all over the place. Of course my kids immediatley wanted to know what was going on and they were actually alittle nervous, after all, with all the events involving Westfields HS and the local police dept shooting, if I were them I would have been alittle concerned as well. Without saying too much I promised them that everything was ok and that they were safe. Although I will say that when my son questioned the woman helping to unload the kids at kiss and ride "what was going on" and she said "I cant comment" I thought to myself, oh way to go, thats a great way to make the kids feel safe, with all the activity going on at that moment. How about telling the kids who ask if they are going to be safe, that Yes they are safe, there is nothing to worry about and it would be discussed in an assembly meeting later in the day, but instead she just said "I cant comment". My son looked at me as if to get reassurance that it would be fine and I assured him that he would be ok.

According to my son Mr. Marsh was not a very liked man by many of the kids, who claim he was very mean and unfair. I met him several times and had several meetings with him along with several staff members including the principal and the only thing I noticed was that he almost never smiled or spoke. He always had this very stern, unhappy look about him and always seemed to be in his own little world in the meetings. Guess I now know why.

You all have no idea what a great couple they arrested. They grew pot just for personal use.They didn't enjoy alcohol so occasionally they smoked. Don't ever call Lenny creepy or sullen. We need more people like Lenny and Ginny in this world. Fairfax Station is like a police state watching their citizens a little too closely.Hopefully their lives are not messed up because of this incident.We need Mr. Marsh back in the educational system and Ginny back tutoring children.

i hate to break it to you, but if someone is going to grow plants for their own personal use, they are not "occasionally" smoking.

I'd have to say after personally working under him this is not a shock at all. He was the black cloud at that school and was completely a horrible boss. He went out of his way to make the teachers lives at that school harder and make the students lives also worse. At the few after school functions we attended with his wife there, it was blatantly obvious that she was on something, probably a little more then pot. This guy was (and is) a disgrace to the educational system. If he could have some how put his efforts into actually doing his job the correct way everyone at that school would be much more happy. He was not liked in that community, in the school, as a person in general. I can only say that Cub Run will be a much brighter place without that guy any where near it. I do agree that marijuana is a drug that needs to be decriminalized but as of today, if your a supposed role model for students, use your common sense and stay away from it. Justice was served in more than one way in this case.

If he was that bad couldnt the teachers union do anything for you? My experience with the school system is if any parent complains then the school board takes the parents version as gospel.

I do disagree with you on the role model thing, I think that is an over used term. A childs role model should be their parents. I remember Charles Barkley being asked if he thought he was a good role model with the lifestyle he lead. He remarked I am not supposed to be anyones role model that is the parents job not mine.

tinytaffy Wrote:
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> I drove my kids to school, who attend cub run on
> the morning of the 31st and it took me by surprise
> when the news helicopter was hoovering very low
> over the school, as well as many, many men dressed
> in dark blue jackets with "security" on the back
> of them were scattered all over the sidewalks as
> well as approaching each bus when the kids were
> unloading, the school staff were also scattered on
> the sidewalks to keep the press from approaching
> the kids, there were unmarked police cars
> everywhere and parents galore all over the place.
> Of course my kids immediatley wanted to know what
> was going on and they were actually alittle
> nervous, after all, with all the events involving
> Westfields HS and the local police dept shooting,
> if I were them I would have been alittle concerned
> as well. Without saying too much I promised them
> that everything was ok and that they were safe.
> Although I will say that when my son questioned
> the woman helping to unload the kids at kiss and
> ride "what was going on" and she said "I cant
> comment" I thought to myself, oh way to go, thats
> a great way to make the kids feel safe, with all
> the activity going on at that moment. How about
> telling the kids who ask if they are going to be
> safe, that Yes they are safe, there is nothing to
> worry about and it would be discussed in an
> assembly meeting later in the day, but instead she
> just said "I cant comment". My son looked at me
> as if to get reassurance that it would be fine and
> I assured him that he would be ok.
>
> According to my son Mr. Marsh was not a very liked
> man by many of the kids, who claim he was very
> mean and unfair. I met him several times and had
> several meetings with him along with several staff
> members including the principal and the only thing
> I noticed was that he almost never smiled or
> spoke. He always had this very stern, unhappy look
> about him and always seemed to be in his own
> little world in the meetings. Guess I now know
> why.


What a crock! A total stranger is supposed to read from your script and soothe your child's anxiety? "I can't comment" was a very appropriate reply. Tell your kid that just the fact that the school is open means he's safe.

Oh yeah, and hire and fire school administrators based on whether kids "like them"! I work security at a FCPS high school...and I GUARANTEE you the kids don't like me. They KNOW I won't rest until I find out who slashed the seats in the bus...etc, etc, etc. I'm their worst nightmare!

I should have been a detective....I'm pretty good at it! LOL

are you mr hutchinson?

"Duh" What a great name for a total dumbass. Helicopters for a houseplant? Lame. Slow news day people?

hey dick head kid

"i hate to break it to you, but if someone is going to grow plants for their own personal use, they are not "occasionally" smoking."

stfu u dont know what youre talking about. some people grow it so they dont have to deal with shady ass gun toting drug dealers moron...

Libertarian1 Wrote:
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> "Duh" What a great name for a total dumbass.
> Helicopters for a houseplant? Lame. Slow news
> day people?

Whataya mean dumb ass? If you had read the entire thread you'd have seen that I advocate legalization of ALL recreational drugs.

I don't buy the argument that there will be more addicts if they were legalized....I don't do any drug except alcohol (in moderation). If heroin or coke was for sale tomorrow at Rite-Aid, next to the Budweisers....I'd pass, not interested. I'd rather have a Bud (or whatever cheap shit is on special!).

And whoever said the cops love these kinds of busts...you're right.

And hey, FCPS school bus drivers are subject to random (and frequent) drug tests...why aren't teachers and administrators???

i disagree.

Duh is right. We are all told to just say "I can't comment." That info was probably given to everybody who worked at the school. Duh, I bet you could tell some great stories.

Oh by the way, Duh is not Mr. Hutchison. I know Mr. H. personally and he is at Oakton HS. He doesn't use computers so he would not post on here.

Tricki

Duh wrote:
What a crock! A total stranger is supposed to read from your script and soothe your child's anxiety? "I can't comment" was a very appropriate reply. Tell your kid that just the fact that the school is open means he's safe

First of all what are you talking about? Nobody said to read my script and soothe my child!! I dropped my kids off and asked if everything was ok and lets see, Did anyone tell the kids that were killed at VaTech or any school for that matter that has had children shot to death at lately that "hey schools open, so your safe to be here all day??????" I dont think so, cause they certailnely are not safe now are they????
Do you have a child that attends any of the schools in this local area, or live right next door to the police station that was shot up??? Then if not I dont think you have any right to tell me or my son's, how to soothe they're anxiety after arriving at school with security running around and helicopters flying low. It was very apparent something wasnt right and my kids had every right to have anxiety about if they were going to be safe or not. I dont think "NO comment" was the correct answer and it could have been handled much better.

For those of you that think it was ok that he was growing pot for his personal use and are defending this guy, have you all bumped your head??? or maybe you've been getting high with him and your source is now locked up. This is an adult that is looking over our children, our future and he knew what was right and what was wrong. This is a school like all school's that are drug free zones, they teach our children that doing drugs is wrong and there are laws to abide by and here we have a Asst. principal that is growing pot in his home and getting high after a long day with our kids. I'm sorry but I dont want some pothead asst principal anywhere near my kids, nor do I think he should be teaching in school systems at all. His career is down the drain now, his reputation completely ruined and I hope he pays the price dearly. Hopefully he'll pack his crap up and move out to the bushes somewhere far away. I feel so horrible for his daughter, who must be humiliated by his actions. Smoking and getting high should be for medical reason's only, not for some Asst principal to pack a pipe and take the edge off his day after working with hundreds of kids.

some people are saying oh what a great guy he was, I'm sure as a neighbor he was a wonderful person, but are you really serious that you believe that because he was doing this in his own home and using it for personal use that makes him wonderful person and makes what he did ok??? Give me a break. How many of you that are backing him, saying how wonderful he was, what a nice couple they were ect ect ect... knew about the double life he was living??? How many of you were getting high with him? How many of you have children that dealt with him daily??? He broke the law for personal pleasure and was watching and teaching our kids.... would you say the same thing if he was a child molestor???? Oh he was such a great guy and they really are a wonderful couple. I doubt it.

Tinytaffy,

So is ok if a teacher goes home and drinks alcohol in the evening or on a weekend? Should we ban are teachers from casual drinking too?

tinytaffy....I think you should homeschool your kids. FCPS campuses, or anywhere outside your front door, for that matter, are certainly too dangerous for your little darlings.

Have you ever heard of the Little Rascals case in Edenton, NC? You remind me of the awful, awful moms that destroyed those innocent peoples' lives.

Lynch mobs like you and your ilk should be ashamed of yourselves.

Tinytaffy is a bit of a self righteous blowhard. I would much rather my kids teachers, instructors, counselors and role models go home after work and relax with a nice joint than a bottle of Jack Daniels or Bud or "whatever cheap shit is on sale" at least they won't come to work with a hangover or a few million more dead brain cells or want to take out their problems on my kids because they're a loser alcoholic like most of the parents of those kids at Cub Run,and they are because I know them and work with them. The parents of those kids at Cub run are mostly white trash Centreville morons who are in and out of jail themselves for real crimes like spousal abuse, DUI, credit fraud Etc. Tinytaffy is most likely one of those 3 hundred pound rednecks that spends her day bouncing from trailer to trailer giving head for a few lousy beers. The Fairfax cops,especially in Centreville are mosly fat, lazy losers who love to make a big deal over anything minute but when it comes to a real crime they run and hide. You don't see them doing anything about the gangs in the Meadows or Chantilly. This county sucks and the laws are ridiculous.




Stupid Quack Queifed:
For those of you that think it was ok that he was growing pot for his personal use and are defending this guy, have you all bumped your head??? or maybe you've been getting high with him and your source is now locked up. This is an adult that is looking over our children, our future and he knew what was right and what was wrong. This is a school like all school's that are drug free zones, they teach our children that doing drugs is wrong and there are laws to abide by and here we have a Asst. principal that is growing pot in his home and getting high after a long day with our kids. I'm sorry but I dont want some pothead asst principal anywhere near my kids, nor do I think he should be teaching in school systems at all. His career is down the drain now, his reputation completely ruined and I hope he pays the price dearly. Hopefully he'll pack his crap up and move out to the bushes somewhere far away. I feel so horrible for his daughter, who must be humiliated by his actions. Smoking and getting high should be for medical reason's only, not for some Asst principal to pack a pipe and take the edge off his day after working with hundreds of kids.

some people are saying oh what a great guy he was, I'm sure as a neighbor he was a wonderful person, but are you really serious that you believe that because he was doing this in his own home and using it for personal use that makes him wonderful person and makes what he did ok??? Give me a break. How many of you that are backing him, saying how wonderful he was, what a nice couple they were ect ect ect... knew about the double life he was living??? How many of you were getting high with him? How many of you have children that dealt with him daily??? He broke the law for personal pleasure and was watching and teaching our kids.... would you say the same thing if he was a child molestor???? Oh he was such a great guy and they really are a wonderful couple. I doubt it.

I've always known those Kennedy Center performers were potheads.

[www.hotkugelklezmerband.com]

JINNY MARSH - Vocalist /Guitarist
The career of vocalist Jinny Marsh includes off-Broadway, summer stock, the New York Cabaret scene, commercials and entertaining aboard cruise ships. Known as a "lively, fun to watch singer‚ “ she has performed on the Kennedy Center's, Millennium Stage with Hot Kugel, Shir Delite, the Sy Greene Quintet and in folk festivals in Lowell, Massachusetts, the Smithsonian, Washington, D.C., Glen Echo and Prince Georges Jewish Festival, Maryland. Ms. Marsh has always loved Jewish music but it wasn't until she began studying cantorial music that she realized the fun of singing traditional Yiddish theatre songs. She began performing with a klezmer group and eventually formed her own musical group called, Jinny Marsh's Hot Kugel klezmer Band. Her group consists of the most talented and experienced musicians in the Washington, D.C. area. In addition to performing she teaches Hebrew studies and is a cantorial soloist at Temple Beth Torah in Centreville, Virginia. Hot Kugel has 2 cd’s out: Grandma's Recipes – A Klezmer Celebration which is a mixture of Klezmer and Yiddish Theatre and their second cd Klezmerika Eklectika - Nostalgic American and Klezmer Classics contains some Klez and awesome jazz. To listen to samples of both Hot Kugel cd’s click here Jinny’s been nominated for a Washington Area Music Association’s (WAMA) award in the category World Music as a Vocalist for 2004. Jinny can also be heard on the new Chanukah cd, Hungry for Music -- A Chanukah Feast.

Read the article about Jinny in the Washington Jewish Week; read about Jinny in a local newspaper: Times Community News
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D Brayleigh Wrote:
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> Tinytaffy is a bit of a self righteous blowhard. I
> would much rather my kids teachers, instructors,
> counselors and role models go home after work and
> relax with a nice joint than a bottle of Jack
> Daniels or Bud or "whatever cheap shit is on sale"
> at least they won't come to work with a hangover
> or a few million more dead brain cells or want to
> take out their problems on my kids because they're
> a loser alcoholic like most of the parents of
> those kids at Cub Run,and they are because I know
> them and work with them. The parents of those kids
> at Cub run are mostly white trash Centreville
> morons who are in and out of jail themselves for
> real crimes like spousal abuse, DUI, credit fraud
> Etc. Tinytaffy is most likely one of those 3
> hundred pound rednecks that spends her day
> bouncing from trailer to trailer giving head for a
> few lousy beers. The Fairfax cops,especially in
> Centreville are mosly fat, lazy losers who love to
> make a big deal over anything minute but when it
> comes to a real crime they run and hide. You don't
> see them doing anything about the gangs in the
> Meadows or Chantilly. This county sucks and the
> laws are ridiculous.
>
>
>
>
> Stupid Quack Queifed:
> For those of you that think it was ok that he was
> growing pot for his personal use and are defending
> this guy, have you all bumped your head??? or
> maybe you've been getting high with him and your
> source is now locked up. This is an adult that is
> looking over our children, our future and he knew
> what was right and what was wrong. This is a
> school like all school's that are drug free zones,
> they teach our children that doing drugs is wrong
> and there are laws to abide by and here we have a
> Asst. principal that is growing pot in his home
> and getting high after a long day with our kids.
> I'm sorry but I dont want some pothead asst
> principal anywhere near my kids, nor do I think he
> should be teaching in school systems at all. His
> career is down the drain now, his reputation
> completely ruined and I hope he pays the price
> dearly. Hopefully he'll pack his crap up and move
> out to the bushes somewhere far away. I feel so
> horrible for his daughter, who must be humiliated
> by his actions. Smoking and getting high should be
> for medical reason's only, not for some Asst
> principal to pack a pipe and take the edge off his
> day after working with hundreds of kids.
>
> some people are saying oh what a great guy he was,
> I'm sure as a neighbor he was a wonderful person,
> but are you really serious that you believe that
> because he was doing this in his own home and
> using it for personal use that makes him wonderful
> person and makes what he did ok??? Give me a
> break. How many of you that are backing him,
> saying how wonderful he was, what a nice couple
> they were ect ect ect... knew about the double
> life he was living??? How many of you were getting
> high with him? How many of you have children that
> dealt with him daily??? He broke the law for
> personal pleasure and was watching and teaching
> our kids.... would you say the same thing if he
> was a child molestor???? Oh he was such a great
> guy and they really are a wonderful couple. I
> doubt it.


Homeschool, lady. Heaven forbid they let human beings around your little darlings.

Sheesh, you'd think this guy was found with a dismembered corpse in his closet!

tiny and D....before you became such righteous moms....do you remember all those mornings that couldn't find your panties?

Uh, Duh,
Perhaps you did not read what I said (on top) then quoted what Tiny blurted out. I'm on your side and I'm not a Mom.
And to add to what I said regarding Tiny's quackery.
It is this fascist society that forces some of us to live "double lives" because we cannot be open and honest about it lest we be judged by the likes of you who may be decent in some ways but no one is perfect. The worst atrocities are usually committed by those self righteous church going types that parade themselves to Church in front of everyone on their designated sabbath then afterwards go home and cheat on their spouses, cheat on their taxes, steal from their neighbors, curse their own deities then go to confession or whatever then do it all over again thinking it's okay because "I believe in Jesus"! but hey if you live a good life, be kind to your neighbors, help them with their kids and their problems and then go home and smoke little weed that makes you a LAWBREAKER, Damn You To Hell You're A Criminal! I say BS you have no right to judge anyone and doesn't your bible say something about judging others as well? As for changing the laws, well we've tried and tried but politics keep getting in the way and btw if you self righteous pricks are so uptight about who is smoking pot and doing whatever, don't forget our current President and past President were tokers. Don't we also live under some equally retarded sex laws like we can't have anal or oral sex even in the privacy of our own homes?

Sorry D...I'm drinking the really cheap shit tonight!

Back to the righteous moms....HOMESCHOOL! Nobody can ever attend to your darlings like you can.

And yes, that school bus was going 100 mph down your street.

Have you heard any good gossip lately about that strange couple in the gray house? Pssst, I think they're up to no good. Did you see her hair the other day?! They must be doing something illegal over there, nobody likes them....and my children are afraid to walk by that house...

Drugster,
The difference is, if you havent been educated over the years is that Alcohol is LEGAL, pot is NOT legal, there is a HUGE difference from an Asst principal going home and having a social drink compared to stuffing a pipe and getting high. You sound like an idiot trying to compare the two.

DUH.... No not aware of the Little rascals incident that you mention, So because i'm concerned, Because I think that Mr. Marsh is a hypocritical piece of trash, What is it that makes me awful? please tell me cause i'd love to know how my being a concerned mom compares to a man that just broke the law and who teaches our kids to not do exactley what he just did, makes him a better person than me??? I'm not the one growing pot in my house, I'm not the one getting high, I'm not the one that has lied, who is a hypocrit, who is a pathetic excuse for a human being by being involved with children knowing good and well he goes behind closed doors and gets high for whatever pleasure he is seeking. Yet i'm an awful mom???? Please you have no ground to stand on. What did you say you were?.... a rent a cop. Dont have enough education to get a real job??? Maybe its because of
the brain cells in your head that you fried or are still frying!!!

D Brayleigh,
Got a chip on your shoulder? I actually am white, without the trash thank you. I'm not 300 lbs, i'm 115lbs and the only time I have a redneck is when i'm basting in the sun, next to my inground pool in my very large back yard in a nice upperclass neighborhood, in one of those large houses, that you could only dream of owning, but it sounds to me like your very familiar with what white trash is all about as well as trailer parks ect... could it be that your apart of that community yourself and you think so highly of the cub run parents because you know we are very well off and there is a little jealousy going on?

You both sound like you came from broken homes with little love or compassion from parents that were concerned for you, or maybe you grew up with pothead parents and were raised to think that smoking pot is ok, which would explain your lack of concern for any of the kids at cub run.

Either way and more to the point, there is one less dirt bag off the street now. Whoever turned him in or gave the tip needs to be rewarded huge, i'm sure they're concerns were with the children this trash was around all day.

You all can bash me, trash me, ridicule me, whatever you like, have fun with it, get your kicks out of it. In the end i'm the one smiling knowing Mr. Marsh got what was coming to him and that he will never teach in Fairfax County again.

Tinytaffy,

I'm with you. I just cannot understand why people are supporting this guy. He violated the ethics and public trust of the position he was placed in. He apparently had two personas. One was the assistant principal who is supposed to teach that drugs are wrong. The other was a drug user and possibly a dealer.

I'm wondering how many of his supporters would be as supportive of say, a police officer, a priest, an elected official, or any other person who should be living their lives as an example to others, especially young children, just by virtue of their profession if they were caught growing marijuana? It's just unfathomable to me how many people are dismissing this incident and supporting this jerk. Perhaps we have more drug addicts and abusers in this area than I had suspected.

According to news articles, police found pre-packaged baggies of marijuana in his home. That hardly sounds like someone with a growing operation for "personal use" to me.

tinytiffany i dont think annandale is upscale...your pool is a community pool...stop day dreaming cracker

Yes "Tiny" I do have a chip on my shoulder because of self righteous people like you who think you're above everyone else. Yes, I am familiar with the community around Cub Run and it is certainly not affluent. I am sure if you are so rich, white, skinny and priveledged you wouldn't be up at 4:30 AM Sunday morning hammering out bashing posts on valuable contributors to society which I'm also sure you are not. You sound more like a ugly pig with a giant chip on YOUR shoulder sitting in your mudhole of a backyard in a Londontown project next to your half inflated baby pool slurping budweisers while your many kids of different and most likely unknown fathers runs amok. Yes I do know you because I work with you and your kids, I come into your homes and know how you live, I know there are a lot of parents in that community who have their very own grow operations as well and they really need to be more discreet. I can smell white trash like you a mile away because you stink and of course you don't think you do because you're such a rose - to yourself. Since you and Ken prefer to be so judgemental, I judge you as well - See You Around.
And Ken, wake up buddy, cops, priests, elected officials ALL lead double lives and you probably do too. Of course there are many of us who support Marsh because he is NOT a drug addict or dealer, he is a guy growing a plant in his closet so he can relax at his private home knowing he's not supporting drug dealers and not smoking some contaminated crap off the street. Much like someone who grows their own tomatoes for their own personal consumption. He was valuable aid to the community, he taught to stay away from drugs, he was there everyday working to make those kids better. The article stated that they found some of the weed packaged but did not mention "for distribution". Of course it was packaged, what do you think they do after they grow it, just leave it laying around the house? People who smoke weed in the privacy of their homes are not bad people just labeled criminals by puritanical morons and unjust antiquated laws we can't change. So if you think casual potsmokers are drug addicts or abusers then you're right there a whole lot more out there than you thought because they live and work all around you but they're not advertising it. - for obvious reasons

Are the Marsh supporters of the Anti-Defamation League?

Must read article: [www.anncoulter.com]

Or, are we seeing a supportive congregation helping the good temple members?

D B Wrote:
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> Yes "Tiny" I do have a chip on my shoulder because
> of self righteous people like you who think you're
> above everyone else. Yes, I am familiar with the
> community around Cub Run and it is certainly not
> affluent. I am sure if you are so rich, white,
> skinny and priveledged you wouldn't be up at 4:30
> AM Sunday morning hammering out bashing posts on
> valuable contributors to society which I'm also
> sure you are not. You sound more like a ugly pig
> with a giant chip on YOUR shoulder sitting in your
> mudhole of a backyard in a Londontown project next
> to your half inflated baby pool slurping
> budweisers while your many kids of different and
> most likely unknown fathers runs amok. Yes I do
> know you because I work with you and your kids, I
> come into your homes and know how you live, I know
> there are a lot of parents in that community who
> have their very own grow operations as well and
> they really need to be more discreet. I can smell
> white trash like you a mile away because you stink
> and of course you don't think you do because
> you're such a rose - to yourself. Since you and
> Ken prefer to be so judgemental, I judge you as
> well - See You Around.
> And Ken, wake up buddy, cops, priests, elected
> officials ALL lead double lives and you probably
> do too. Of course there are many of us who support
> Marsh because he is NOT a drug addict or dealer,
> he is a guy growing a plant in his closet so he
> can relax at his private home knowing he's not
> supporting drug dealers and not smoking some
> contaminated crap off the street. Much like
> someone who grows their own tomatoes for their own
> personal consumption. He was valuable aid to the
> community, he taught to stay away from drugs, he
> was there everyday working to make those kids
> better. The article stated that they found some of
> the weed packaged but did not mention "for
> distribution". Of course it was packaged, what do
> you think they do after they grow it, just leave
> it laying around the house? People who smoke weed
> in the privacy of their homes are not bad people
> just labeled criminals by puritanical morons and
> unjust antiquated laws we can't change. So if you
> think casual potsmokers are drug addicts or
> abusers then you're right there a whole lot more
> out there than you thought because they live and
> work all around you but they're not advertising
> it. - for obvious reasons


It's a shame people like you and your pals, the Marshes, live such pathetic lives that you need to resort to "self-medicating" yourselves with mind-altering drugs or other substances. I truly feel sorry for you.

Please, do consider using paragraphs with your run-on diatribe. It makes it easier to read your drivel.

I stand by my assertion that Marsh was placed in a position of public trust. He chose to violate the public trust and I hope he is made an example and held accountable for his actions.

Public officials, school officials, etc live their lives in a "fish bowl" and should be living as clean at home as they are supposed to appear while in the public eye. Most people, although perhaps not of your ilk, have reasonable expectations of people in certain postions. The public is always watching.

The reason why pot is illegal is that, it is a gateway drug that has potential to lead to seriously harmfull others, and it is potentially addicting, so for some users, it becomes their whole life. (whats a job mean again?)

It is very possible for individuals to enjoy pot without the drawbacks, but what it all comes down to is that the government (and IMO rightfully), cannot trust society to use the drug without its drawbacks.

The problem now with illegally buying pot, is that you indirectly support crime, because you directly finance crinimals.

Now you cannot tell me straight in the eye that in any way shape or form that anything negative came out of this couple smoking.
They didn't support crime, and they were good contributing members of society.

It seems the only negative part was the fact that the police department decided that it was worth initiating an investigation to catch these people.

He was an assistant principle who told kids not to do drugs, and yet he did them himself
So WHAT?, You tell your teenagers not to speed, yet you still do it yourself. Why? Because you beleive you are in a better situation to speed because you have experience, and you beleive you can handle the car if somthing were to happen.

As far as I'm concerned he can do drugs as much as he wants as long as he can use them responsibly, with no consuquences. The reason he leads the anti-drug programs because he knows that, drugs ruin over a good amount of our youth's lives. We as a society rightlfully don't trust them to be responsible users.

Hypocritical? Yes, but in the end it really doens't matter.

Now unfortionately the problem is that people found out. Just because of the media, kid's everywhere look at this and go, Well if this principal can do it and have a successfull life, so can I.

"Thankfully", our justice system fixes this by making an example out of him, and sending him to jail. Hell, the wonderfull media can also go to the elementary school and ask the "victimized mothers" loaded questions about what they think about this "drug manufacturer" being their assistant principal.

Instead of our taxes going towards social programs that could help children who may turn to drugs, look where it goes.

An ongoing investigation which included (a rumored) 30 policeman house search, to what?

-Put in jail, publicly humiliate, and the ruin the careers for a couple, who only made pot for their private use in the privacy of their own home.

Gosh Ken you seem to have all the answers and I actually agree with you in that a person in such a position should have better judgement because they may be subject to public scrutiny.

As for my grammar, I don't really care because it's just a message board I feel like contributing to in between gardening (my azaleas), I'm not writing a book.

As for my ilk, you have no idea about my "ilk", you just don't agree with my opinion so you're judging me.

As for my life you think is so pathetic, again you have no idea as the only thing I've mentioned about myself is the fact that I am familiar with the community and I work amongst the parents, teachers and children of that area. I do not use marijuana, alcohol or tobacco but I do advocate the freedom of the individual to choose what manner they wish to destroy themselves as long as no one else is affected.

The real shame is that you , with such minute information have formed your very own vision of myself, the Marsh's and anyone who doesn't agree with you. Who I truly feel sorry for is the children of the parents who are alcoholics & drug addicts, which certainly include the "legal" drugs which so many adults are dependent on but think it's okay.

Now spew away as I've got to do some more digging.

Oh btw, great post Jin!

D B Wrote:
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>
> The real shame is that you , with such minute
> information have formed your very own vision of
> myself, the Marsh's and anyone who doesn't agree
> with you.


Oh, so when you typed this scathing doozy you weren't being judgmental of Tinytaffy?

..."You sound more like a ugly pig with a giant chip on YOUR shoulder sitting in your mudhole of a backyard in a Londontown project next to your half inflated baby pool slurping budweisers while your many kids of different and most likely unknown fathers runs amok. Yes I do know you because I work with you and your kids, I come into your homes and know how you live, I know there are a lot of parents in that community who have their very own grow operations as well and they really need to be more discreet. I can smell white trash like you a mile away because you stink"...


Or how about this keen observation?

..."Tinytaffy is most likely one of those 3 hundred pound rednecks that spends her day bouncing from trailer to trailer giving head for a few lousy beers"...


And this timeless classic:

..."The Fairfax cops,especially in Centreville are mosly fat, lazy losers who love to make a big deal over anything minute but when it comes to a real crime they run and hide. You don't see them doing anything about the gangs in the Meadows or Chantilly. This county sucks and the laws are ridiculous"...



Interesting. Perhaps you need to practice a little more of what you are preaching?

As for me, I'm quite secure with myself. I've don't imbibe in alcohol, I don't smoke and I've never done drugs. I'm not perfect, but I have never felt the need to "escape" reality and drug myself up either.

Have fun with your afternoon of digging. You've already dug a large enough hole for yourself on this messsage board.

Well DB,
That would narrow you down to either a Cox employee or a Verizon employee. Those are the only two company's that Im aware of that go into others homes on a regular basis and if your with either of them, your NEVER in my home.

Why not start a topic that is specifically for Masrsh supporters? It appears to me that almost everyone on here thinks that what he did is justified and everyone is entitled to they're own opinion, I expressed mine, but got bashed for it, which is fine and truly comical. You all speak so highly about judging, yet you did the the same with me. Hypocrits.

As for the rest of your post, most of it is not worth responding to, there is so much hate in your rant that it just confirms to me that you had a very poor childhood.

Ken,
thank you for your support as well as not supporting what the Marsh's have done. I guess were're the bad guys/gals on here, it doesnt matter what we say, they approve of what happend and to each his own. That fact is like I said before, he is gone and will never teach another child in Fairfax again and thats what matters.

Have a lovely day. :)

Hey Tiny finally woke up! You must have a wicked hangover babe. I'm glad you guys liked my "keen observations, timeless classics and scathing doozies", I enjoyed writing them but as YOU stated Ken, they are observations.

But no Tiny, not Cox or Verizon, could be this lousy county I'm so critical of but too much info will just make you even more judgemental. No, I don't hate you, I just felt like turning your own visciousness back on your perfect self. As for my childhood, well there you go again analyzing what you know nothing about but I will tell you I was raised by loving, stable parents who provided me with a wonderful childhood and a great Catholic School education, now that's probably where I got messed up. No one has had a perfect childhood except maybe you Tiny. At least I can admit I'm not perfect.

I don't think Marsh's actions were justified in fact they were not too smart but doesn't change the fact that they were good folks doing good work and the whole ordeal is just a shame.

tinytaffy Wrote:
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> DUH.... No not aware of the Little rascals
> incident that you mention, So because i'm
> concerned, Because I think that Mr. Marsh is a
> hypocritical piece of trash, What is it that makes
> me awful? please tell me cause i'd love to know
> how my being a concerned mom compares to a man
> that just broke the law and who teaches our kids
> to not do exactley what he just did, makes him a
> better person than me??? I'm not the one growing
> pot in my house, I'm not the one getting high, I'm
> not the one that has lied, who is a hypocrit, who
> is a pathetic excuse for a human being by being
> involved with children knowing good and well he
> goes behind closed doors and gets high for
> whatever pleasure he is seeking. Yet i'm an awful
> mom???? Please you have no ground to stand on.
> What did you say you were?.... a rent a cop. Dont
> have enough education to get a real job??? Maybe
> its because of
> the brain cells in your head that you fried or are
> still frying!!!



Wow, Mr Marsh gets your vitriol because he didn't smile enough to suit you? Because your little darling didn't like him? Had he been a jovial and popular administrator, would you be more understanding?

And when have you ever seen a "rent-a-cop" on a FCPS campus? I am a full fledged FCPS employee...albeit a low level one. But don't feel too sorry for me and my fried brain cells....I am a retired physician that found he didn't care for retirement. I also teach a course one night a week at Georgetown University.

While not as fashionable as Centreville...I live in Clifton with my wife and four horses, two dogs and a fat kitty cat. No pool, but there are ponds on the property....but I wouldn't swim in them...not the way the horses blow snot in the water as they're drinking.

Ok Tinytaffy and others,

Almost none of you KNOW the marshes. You are right, what he did was stupid, and I'm sure he knew the risk he was taking by doing it.

However, anyone who KNOWS him would know it is complete bullshit that he is a dealer. He is a smart, contributer to society and it was grown for his personal use. I dont want to hear any of this crap how he shouldn't be near studnets or it is so hypocritical of him to tell kids to stay away from drugs. These are EIGHT year old kids... they should NOT be doing drugs. I am not condoning what he did but like many have said before, a parent would tell their kids not to drink when they are doing plenty of it.

One more thing, anyone who has said that nobody likes him in the school community or as a person, that is COMPLETE bullshit, because he is one of the funniest, most well liked people in the school AND social community.

...and the Marshs are good temple members and their mothers love them.

Come on folks. They broke the law. If guilty, they should pay the price.

Yo Duh,
Centreville not as fashionable as Clifton? You're being sarcastic right? I know sarcasm as I was one of the inventors of it. Some folks on here don't appreciate it but oh well, they seem rather miserable anyway. Peace out and see you around town.

Yo C41,
Unfortunately you're right, they did break the law (as bad a law as it is) and will pay a very high price. I am just hopeful they have good legal representation and the judge goes easy on them.

This has been fun but I'm done. Peace and Love to you all, even you Tiny.

Well, I know of a lot of students who did not think very highly of him, but really it doesn't matter. Has nothing to do with his teaching ability.

Very true one of them allegedly commited the crime of cultivation.

My problem is the defamtion they are getting, and the downfalls to their careers, are way too severe punishments already for what they actually did.

Read my earlier post regarding of what the harm of their acts actually meant.

Like most normal people, I bet they take pride in a good name. Now, probably half of fairfax county has labled them fasely as drug dealers.

" Assitant Principal of High Schol caught in drug manufacturing operations", "Packaged Marjuanna Found" downright says drug dealer, without technically lying. Beleive me, anyone who reads those lines in news stories without thinking twice, is going to beleive they had an underground drug farm underneath their house.

I'm not going to get into jail time, I bet the system will adjust to the circimstances. A judge should see he doesn't deserve 5-30 years.

D,
Sorry but I dont drink. I do however run a very successful ebay business and THAT is what keeps me up at night.

I never claimed once in all of my posts that I was perfect, but thank you to all of you that think I am. :) I came from a divorced home and my way of dealing with my parents split was to drown myself in alcohol and to get high as well as snort the white stuff. SO on that note, I am far from perfect, but what I am is a GROWN up mom, who realized in my late teens that there are other ways to deal with a broken home and destroying myself was not the best way. I havent touched anything illegal since I was 19 yrs old, i'm now almost 40, I havent drank a drop of alcohol for the past 9 yrs. I made the choice myself to start taking care of myself, to become responsible and to make sure that I was stable enough for my family.

I have 4 amazing kids to raise, one who is in college, one high schooler and two in elementary school and all of my children know my background, there are no secrets in our family and NONE of my children have any desire to cave into peer pressure and try out getting high. They are all very focused on they're school work, graduation, college, and eventually becoming a working, respectful citizen. I'm not saying my children are angel's either or as you all would put it "perfect", they have they're up's and down's but it never involves illegal substances or activities.

Duh wrote:
Wow, Mr Marsh gets your vitriol because he didn't smile enough to suit you? Because your little darling didn't like him? Had he been a jovial and popular administrator, would you be more understanding?

I was simply stating facts that whenever I had met with him or his staff, he never seemed to smile, he was alaways in his own little world. I certainely never said that in order to like him he had to smile. I'm just telling you how he was when I was in front of him, making an "observation", kinda like what many of you do here. I also never said that my kids didnt like him, I said that he was not a very liked person according to MANY kids. So stop trying to twist someone's words. Get your facts right before you want to start responding to someone's post.

Oh and by the way, i'll be up again till 4:30am so see you all then.

It's a PLANT people a fucking PLANT. No more no less. It grows in nature all by itself! Completely free of man. Not much unlike the coffee bean plant or the tomato plant. Now if the government told you that people grew coffee bean plants in their closest so they could harvest the beans and get high off the caffeine would we have the same reaction? Why, yes we would. And why would we have the same reaction? Because we've been told so by the geniuses in Washington. There have been many attempts to legalize/de-criminalize federally but the alcohol/tobacco lobbies stand a lot to lose against marijuana and fight hard against it.

INTERESTING FACT, DO YOU KNOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STILL SENDS (and grows) OUT MARIJUANA IN THE MAIL TO APPROVED FEDERAL PATIENTS FROM THE 70s? IT SAYS IT IS ILLEGAL AND HORRIBLE ON ONE HAND YET SENDS IT OUT FOR MEDICINAL PURPOSES ON THE OTHER! AH HYPOCRISY.

tinytaffy Wrote:
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>
> I have 4 amazing kids to raise, one who is in
> college, one high schooler and two in elementary
> school and all of my children know my background,
> there are no secrets in our family and NONE of my
> children have any desire to cave into peer
> pressure and try out getting high. They are all
> very focused on they're school work, graduation,
> college, and eventually becoming a working,
> respectful citizen.
>

You're raising automatons? Gotta keep that economy going, wouldn't want anybody to stop and have fun or enjoy this fruitful world that we were born into!

Keep up the good work.

Ok, so I do personally know this couple. But I have to add that Ginny tought weekly classes at her house to children. Groups of children have met there each week and this has been for several years now (my son was there a few weeks ago). It is not okay to be doing this while there are children (not even their own) right there.

But I do wonder who turned them in. Curiousity has gotten me.

Concerened Parent Wrote:
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> Ok, so I do personally know this couple. But I
> have to add that Ginny tought weekly classes at
> her house to children. Groups of children have met
> there each week and this has been for several
> years now (my son was there a few weeks ago). It
> is not okay to be doing this while there are
> children (not even their own) right there.
>
> But I do wonder who turned them in. Curiousity has
> gotten me.

A little bird in the know said some suspicious indoor growing supplies were in their trash and a fussy nelly of a neighbor called in.

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> It's a PLANT people a fucking PLANT. No more no
> less. It grows in nature all by itself! Completely
> free of man. Not much unlike the coffee bean plant
> or the tomato plant.

And so is the coca plant (derivative: cocaine) and the poppy (derivative: opium). Are you saying that these shouldn't be regulated either?

After all, they are just plants. They must be good for you since they grow in nature, right? (rolls eyes)

. Wrote:
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> Mofo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's a PLANT people a fucking PLANT. No more no
> > less. It grows in nature all by itself!
> Completely
> > free of man. Not much unlike the coffee bean
> plant
> > or the tomato plant.
>
> And so is the coca plant (derivative: cocaine) and
> the poppy (derivative: opium). Are you saying
> that these shouldn't be regulated either?
>
> After all, they are just plants. They must be
> good for you since they grow in nature, right?
> (rolls eyes)

The coca plant and the poppy plant UNPROCESSED are 100% fine. Two things you are leaving out is that cocaine and heroin are produced from the aforementioned plants after many other ingredients are added and processes accomplished. This is not true with marijuana it is 100% organic. It grows in the ground then you dry it an d smoke it. Simple as that. Have you ever eaten a bagel with poppy seeds on it? I wonder where those came from???? And farmers in Bolivia/Columbia/Peru have eaten the coca leaf and made teas and beer from it for 1000s of years.

Yes, pot is 100 % organic but if you just eat uncooked pot you will not get high. Pot must be processed as well, the pscychotropic effects are not activated until the stuff is heated. Smoking or cooking it is the processing of it. Like it or not, marijuana is a drug, at least the THC in the marijuana is a drug, albeit less harmful than most others including alcohol, those are the facts.

Incubus Wrote:
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> Yes, pot is 100 % organic but if you just eat
> uncooked pot you will not get high. Pot must be
> processed as well, the pscychotropic effects are
> not activated until the stuff is heated. Smoking
> or cooking it is the processing of it. Like it or
> not, marijuana is a drug, at least the THC in the
> marijuana is a drug, albeit less harmful than most
> others including alcohol, those are the facts.

I wouldn't call smoking it processing it. Do you know how many ingredients are added to the coca plant and how many times the chemical solution is changed to create cocaine? Some of the ingredients include gasoline, cement, ammonia, sulfuric acid, and quicklime to create a white powder from the plant. Let's talk abotu tobacco shall we? It's grown in the ground and "processed" as you say in cigarettes or cigars or pipes or even chewing tobacco. No one seems to have much of a problem with that??

Mofo
Maybe YOU wouldn't call smoking it processing but nevertheless it is, maybe a much simpler process than what coca, poppies and tobacco go through but heating it IS the process. Now if Marsh was caught growing hemp that contained no THC like what is grown to make rope and clothing then he would be in the clear. You and I both know he wouldn't be growing hemp in his closet to make rope.

You want to talk tobacco, yeah cigarette tobacco contains literally thousands of chemical additives purposely added to make it burn better, taste better and lest we not forget.. more addictive. I don't know about you but I and a lot of people have a problem with that. It took me years to quit. Back in the 80's I had a nasty coke habit which was hell to quit but I did and I can honestly say that quitting cigs was the single most difficult thing I've ever given up.

Personally I don't have any problem with anyone toking up providing it is in the privacy of their own home (btw I quit that too, also much easier than cigs) in fact I'm all for legalizing it, taxing and regulating it but I'm just trying to help you get your facts straight. Now look at some of the other "natural" drugs; psylicybin mushrooms come from the earth and are aslo completely natural and need no processing whatsoever even though some freeze dry them. Shrooms have a very complex, hallucinogenic psychotropic makeup very close to the makeup of LSD, same as with peyote. You can say yeah that stuff is natural, the native Americans used it and so on but it still contains drugs which require no processing.

Incubus Wrote:
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> Mofo
> Maybe YOU wouldn't call smoking it processing but
> nevertheless it is, maybe a much simpler process
> than what coca, poppies and tobacco go through but
> heating it IS the process. Now if Marsh was caught
> growing hemp that contained no THC like what is
> grown to make rope and clothing then he would be
> in the clear. You and I both know he wouldn't be
> growing hemp in his closet to make rope.
>
> You want to talk tobacco, yeah cigarette tobacco
> contains literally thousands of chemical additives
> purposely added to make it burn better, taste
> better and lest we not forget.. more addictive. I
> don't know about you but I and a lot of people
> have a problem with that. It took me years to
> quit. Back in the 80's I had a nasty coke habit
> which was hell to quit but I did and I can
> honestly say that quitting cigs was the single
> most difficult thing I've ever given up.
>
> Personally I don't have any problem with anyone
> toking up providing it is in the privacy of their
> own home (btw I quit that too, also much easier
> than cigs) in fact I'm all for legalizing it,
> taxing and regulating it but I'm just trying to
> help you get your facts straight. Now look at some
> of the other "natural" drugs; psylicybin mushrooms
> come from the earth and are aslo completely
> natural and need no processing whatsoever even
> though some freeze dry them. Shrooms have a very
> complex, hallucinogenic psychotropic makeup very
> close to the makeup of LSD, same as with peyote.
> You can say yeah that stuff is natural, the native
> Americans used it and so on but it still contains
> drugs which require no processing.

Well, marijuana is very different from other drugs. That being said I do believe the organic ones such as shrooms and weed and peyote will fuck you up much less than anything processed (including alcohol). Their best quality perhaps is none of them are physically addictive. Unlike a line of coke or alcohol or many other drugs you body will not start to physically crave it to make you rob a liquor store to get some more. (You can become psychologically addicted of course, but you can become psychologically addicted to anything). Anyway I sincerely hope sometime in my lifetime we will follow the lead of Canada and Switzerland and The Netherlands and the UK and Spain and Portugal with basic decriminalization for small amounts.

Tinytaffy:

Either you never went to school or you were homeschooled by people who were high or drunk themselves. Schools are called drug free zones for a reason: The drugs are free inside. [Duh im sure you can back me up on this]

Additionally, Tinytaffy, with the attitude of "my kids would never be tempted by pot or other illegal activities," i wonder how much you have been smoking yourself. Any kid who goes to a public high school will have seen something illegal and likely peer pressured or similar into doing such activities. You are indeed a terrible parent if you believe your kids is so good like that. If your kids is a valedictorian, they cheat a lot. If your kids goes over to a friends house to "study" they are acutally getting drunk or stoned. Since you are of such high class, i am sure your kids have mustangs, mercedes, BMWs or similar cars. When they go to pick up groceries for you, they go as fast as they can up your neighborhood street, doing 80 minimum.

Duh to back you up, FCPS does not use rent-a-cops, they have FCPD officers in all the middle and high schools and their own school security people who are affiliated with the PD.


marijuana is illegal becuase some people use it irresponibly and the government punishes everyone. For the same reason, you cannot drive when you are 10 because some 10yo's cannot drive at that ages and the gov't "keeps us safe." The drinking age is 21 becuase people drink irresponsibly and crash their cars.If they die then that helps out society by getting rid of the dumb ones but unfortunatly, the family wants to be sure it doesnt happen to anyone else and occasionally drunk drivers kill innocent people. The government doesnt like that so it belives that raising the drinking age will prevent drunk driving from occurring. People like TinyTaffy belive this as well. Unfortunately, people below the age of 21 drink alcohol and crash their cars and die and this proves that the drinking age law does nothing to "keep us safe". Followign that thinking, making pot illegal does little to keep us safe.

I went through the entire FCPS system, and let me say, POT smoking teachers are very far down the priority list of things that need to be fixed.

marijuana is illegal becuase some people use it irresponibly and the government punishes everyone.

I have to challenge this statement because if my history is correct, marijuana is illegal because it was made illegal back in the 1930's after prohibition because when the government realized that the mostly black jazz musicians were smoking it to get high that they weren't buying as much alcohol as they did before. Since so little was known about it and they couldn't regulate it at the time, they made it illegal therefore giving them another excuse to arrest blacks and increasing the sale of government regulated alcohol. Throughout the 50's & 60's marijuana became more popular with the white musicians, beat poets and writers providing the gov't more arrests, more revenue and more reason to keep it illegal. Now we have the big pharmaceutical companies in play, coming up with drug after drug to supposedly to help with depression, anxiety, insomnia, anorexia, pain etc. Since they're billion dollar industries, they have the ability to pursuade politicians to keep marijuana illegal knowing that it could be a holistic cure for most of these ailments and legalizing it would put many of them out of business.

Marijuana can certainly be used irresponsibly just like alcohol, valium, oxycontin, vicodin but I believe it could certainly be used responsibly as well. Although I don't think I can recall anyone over overdosing on smoking weed but all those others certainly pose more danger to the user.

Just my thoughts on "why marijuana is illegal".

Cheers

you are comparing a child molester with a pot smoker? Umday!!

I herd their daughter turned them in.

I see a pattern here... he's a crank MFer when he's at work but happy as a pig in shit at home.... wonder why? Separation anxiety perhaps?

the one who should be arrested is the commonwealth's attorney who approved this waste of taxpayer resources. A couple in their 50s growing something for themselves is not a threat to anyone. Reefer madness... sad.

I'm always glad to see Jews in jail. The nerve of those assholes masquerading as educators and doing good things for the community then going home and lighting up on their own time. The nerve of those old losers, they probably were listening to Frank Zappa records too. I say round them all up, throw in jail then burn it down. Yay FXPD!

Sometimes things are illegal because people think well it has always been that way. Laws are left over from almost 80 years ago and politicians are afraid to change them for fear of being soft on crime.

Kind of like making the drinking age 18 which it should be. The first time an 18 year old got killed in a car wreck the nanny government types would say I told you so.

Seat belts, no smoking in bars, warning labels on everything. We are becoming a nation of pussies.

BTW while looking at an old yearbook of a relatives I came across an ad in the back of a student holding a rifle at a sporting goods store. Can you imagine the outcry if that was suggested today. I am pretty sure the kid didnt go on a killing spree nor did anyone else in the school because of that ad. But being a nation of candy asses we cannot take the chance. Today an ad of that type by a sponsor would be banned but I am willing to bet an ad by a doctor doing sex change operations would be gladly printed.

Pot is not a "gateway." Millions of people have smoked pot and never done any other drugs. That is a myth.

Alcohol is a gateway drug.

And yet which is legal?

Alcohol.....for now

but just because somethings legal dosnt mean anything, the government can control the flow of alcohol much easier than other drugs (not like it pops out of the ground)
there are, at the moment biases against weed because it IS a drug, but seriously guys, get a life

if someone you dont even know wants to smoke weed, who are you to stop them. i dont even see why this is such a big deal (though i dont know much about the situation) but in general. i could pretty much guarantee that at least 1/4 of the people you wouldnt think smokes weed im not talking about "hoodlum teenagers" either, out of the 4 years ive been in this highschool i could pretty much list about 6 teachers ive had that i know for a fact do drugs

and guess what, they arnt bringing down everyone around them, they arnt drastically in need of rehab, they just do it during their free time like it was alcohol

do us all a favor and spend OUR money on more important things than arresting us and trying to control every choice we have so we dont learn anything for ourself

I have to agree. If people want go get high let them. 75% of the problems with drugs ARE just "because they are illegal" and people feel they need to hide or lie creating a downward catch 22.

Look at all the crime that was created because alcohol got banned. Secret bars, people hiding use and smuggling shootings. The biggest gangster killing times in the US.

Why don't we jail coffee users? After all that could be considered a gateway drug.

Why don't we jail cigarrete smokers? After all that could be considered a gateway drug.

Why don't we jail people who drink alcohol? After all that could be considered a gateway drug.

Putting people in jail who smoke pot in their own house doesn't make this a better country.

$10 buck says the judge who sentences these people has also inhaled at some point.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/27/2007 12:18PM by Lurker..