NVSLTeam Wrote:
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> Every coach,
> swimmer and parent I've ever seen at a close meet
> waves their arms and screams GO! to the swimmers..
> Who cares if the swimmer can't hear the cheers,
> it's part of the excitment. But I guess that's
> lost on you..wonder why.

I think those posters are trying to point out that there's a difference between cheering and jeering. It's fine to cheer loudly all you want but calling the opposing team "losers" crosses the line. Maybe kids can be excused for bad behavior but Brandywine coaches and parents should know better. That might be allowed in PVS teams like Shark Tank but has no place in the NVSL. Set a better example for your kids Brandywine adults!

Explain again why a "team manager" is necessary when there's a team rep? Do they have a lot of money to throw around? Does the team rep not know how to be a team rep? Sorry - I don't get it.

Don't get it Wrote:
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> Explain again why a "team manager" is necessary
> when there's a team rep? Do they have a lot of
> money to throw around? Does the team rep not know
> how to be a team rep? Sorry - I don't get it.

Not sure how other pools organize things, but the pool that we were with last summer had a head coach (with asst. coaches underneath), a team representative to the NVSL (who also was in charge of Saturday "A" meets), a treasurer, social coordinator, etc. Overseeing all of that was the team manager.

The responsibilities are quite different however I can see where some pools might be able to combine the roles. I would not be surprised however if many pools have separate people in the Team Manager and NVSL team representative positions. And it's not always about money. In many places, all of those roles are volunteer positions. If I were in charge of a team - the roles I would pay for would be Head Coach and Team Manager.

cheering vs. jeering Wrote:
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> NVSLTeam Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Every coach,
> > swimmer and parent I've ever seen at a close
> meet
> > waves their arms and screams GO! to the
> swimmers..
> > Who cares if the swimmer can't hear the cheers,
> > it's part of the excitment. But I guess that's
> > lost on you..wonder why.
>
> I think those posters are trying to point out that
> there's a difference between cheering and jeering.
> It's fine to cheer loudly all you want but
> calling the opposing team "losers" crosses the
> line. Maybe kids can be excused for bad behavior
> but Brandywine coaches and parents should know
> better. That might be allowed in PVS teams like
> Shark Tank but has no place in the NVSL. Set a
> better example for your kids Brandywine adults!


Yup, you're just another troll grabbing any lame opportunity to badmouth other teams.

to NVSL Team - why is it whenever anyone mentions the Shark Tank or Brandywine and how awful their pool-side manner was last summer, we're trolls???

Pool Rat Wrote:
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> She also would call some of the RH swimmers
> losers and heckle them along with some Brandywine
> swimmers.

NVSL Team...do you think this is acceptable behavior from a coach? I think ur the troll here trying to defend ppl like that.

another view Wrote:
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> Don't get it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Explain again why a "team manager" is necessary
> > when there's a team rep? Do they have a lot of
> > money to throw around? Does the team rep not
> know
> > how to be a team rep? Sorry - I don't get it.
>
> Not sure how other pools organize things, but the
> pool that we were with last summer had a head
> coach (with asst. coaches underneath), a team
> representative to the NVSL (who also was in charge
> of Saturday "A" meets), a treasurer, social
> coordinator, etc. Overseeing all of that was the
> team manager.
>
> The responsibilities are quite different however I
> can see where some pools might be able to combine
> the roles. I would not be surprised however if
> many pools have separate people in the Team
> Manager and NVSL team representative positions.
> And it's not always about money. In many places,
> all of those roles are volunteer positions. If I
> were in charge of a team - the roles I would pay
> for would be Head Coach and Team Manager.

That's a lot of positions your team had! How many swimmers on your team? Are the coaches and team manager from the neighborhood or recruited outside? Was your Team Manager paid or unpaid?

Do any NVSL teams have extra coaches solely for stroke mechanics? Paid or parent volunteer?

NVSL Rent Wrote:
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> Do any NVSL teams have extra coaches solely for
> stroke mechanics? Paid or parent volunteer?

I believe the answer is yes - volunteer in the case of the team we were with last year.

But this is also what drives me a bit bonkers. Frankly, NVSL coaching should be NOTHING BUT stroke mechanics, plus starts and turns. It is a short season and the kids might practice an hour a day. And no race (other than exhibition IM's) is longer than a 50.

So really, the big opportunity it seems to me is to work with younger kids (8&U, 9/10, and 11/12's) on their starts, their turns (for the 9 and ups), and tweaking their stroke. Nothing else is going to make that much difference during the 8 week season.

I have seen far too many workouts where the coaches and asst. coaches have kids warm up with a 400, then kick for 10 minutes, then do some token drills, then maybe a few sprints, then warm down. And all the while the coaches either stand on the deck and watch or talk to each other.

I believe a good coaching staff should spend a good portion of their time in the water with the kids, they should be CONSTANTLY correcting stroke technique - during the warmups, during the drills, and during the warm-down. They should practice starts and turns several times a week. NVSL is not the same as USS.

disgusted Wrote:
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> Pool Rat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > She also would call some of the RH swimmers
> > losers and heckle them along with some
> Brandywine
> > swimmers.
>
> NVSL Team...do you think this is acceptable
> behavior from a coach? I think ur the troll here

No I don't. I also don't believe it. The governing body, NVSL, has too many officials (most of them parents) and too much oversight plus a Division Coordinator to permit a team rep to get away with what you allege. It's clear that it's personal and you're trying to do as much public damage as possible. File a formal complaint. Oh wait, you'd have to give your name.

re: coaching on mechanics Wrote:
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> NVSL Rent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do any NVSL teams have extra coaches solely for
> > stroke mechanics? Paid or parent volunteer?
>
> I believe the answer is yes - volunteer in the
> case of the team we were with last year.
>
> But this is also what drives me a bit bonkers.
> Frankly, NVSL coaching should be NOTHING BUT
> stroke mechanics, plus starts and turns. It is a
> short season and the kids might practice an hour a
> day. And no race (other than exhibition IM's) is
> longer than a 50.
>
> So really, the big opportunity it seems to me is
> to work with younger kids (8&U, 9/10, and 11/12's)
> on their starts, their turns (for the 9 and ups),
> and tweaking their stroke. Nothing else is going
> to make that much difference during the 8 week
> season.
>
> I have seen far too many workouts where the
> coaches and asst. coaches have kids warm up with a
> 400, then kick for 10 minutes, then do some token
> drills, then maybe a few sprints, then warm down.
> And all the while the coaches either stand on the
> deck and watch or talk to each other.
>
> I believe a good coaching staff should spend a
> good portion of their time in the water with the
> kids, they should be CONSTANTLY correcting stroke
> technique - during the warmups, during the drills,
> and during the warm-down. They should practice
> starts and turns several times a week. NVSL is not
> the same as USS.

The Organization is USA Swim, NOT USS.

re: coaching on mechanics Wrote:
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> NVSL is not the same as USS.

Exactly why USS coaches should NOT coach in the NVSL. Former NVSL swimmers (homegrown coaches) know best what is needed to succeed in the NVSL.

Rivalries Wrote:
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> Any other big rivalries to watch this summer?

From this message thread, it looks like Brandywine and Rolling Hills have a big rivalry. Too bad they're not in the same division. They should have a B meet together and invite all the Fairfax Underground viewers.

NVSL Team Wrote:
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> disgusted Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pool Rat Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > She also would call some of the RH swimmers
> > > losers and heckle them along with some
> > Brandywine
> > > swimmers.
> >
> > NVSL Team...do you think this is acceptable
> > behavior from a coach? I think ur the troll
> here
>
> No I don't. I also don't believe it. The
> governing body, NVSL, has too many officials (most
> of them parents) and too much oversight plus a
> Division Coordinator to permit a team rep to get
> away with what you allege. It's clear that it's
> personal and you're trying to do as much public
> damage as possible. File a formal complaint. Oh
> wait, you'd have to give your name.

At one meet, the division coordinator had to tell her to tone it down because she was screaming to the swimmers thoughout the events. During this meet, the announcer, who was using a microphone, could not continue announcing the swimmers' names becuase of her screaming and cheering for each of the Brandywine swimmers. She was told more than once to tone it down to no avail. The division coordinator heard plenty of verbal complaints that day and throughout the season from other div. 13 teams. FYI NVSL Team, I did give my name. I'm sure it's on a list with hundreds of others.

Pool Rat Wrote:
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> NVSL Team Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > disgusted Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Pool Rat Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > She also would call some of the RH swimmers
> > > > losers and heckle them along with some
> > > Brandywine
> > > > swimmers.
> > >
> > > NVSL Team...do you think this is acceptable
> > > behavior from a coach? I think ur the troll
> > here
> >
> > No I don't. I also don't believe it. The
> > governing body, NVSL, has too many officials
> (most
> > of them parents) and too much oversight plus a
> > Division Coordinator to permit a team rep to
> get
> > away with what you allege. It's clear that
> it's
> > personal and you're trying to do as much public
> > damage as possible. File a formal complaint. Oh
> > wait, you'd have to give your name.
>
> At one meet, the division coordinator had to tell
> her to tone it down because she was screaming to
> the swimmers thoughout the events. During this
> meet, the announcer, who was using a microphone,
> could not continue announcing the swimmers' names
> becuase of her screaming and cheering for each of
> the Brandywine swimmers. She was told more than
> once to tone it down to no avail. The division
> coordinator heard plenty of verbal complaints that
> day and throughout the season from other div. 13
> teams. FYI NVSL Team, I did give my name. I'm
> sure it's on a list with hundreds of others.

total BS

Pool Rat Wrote:
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>
> At one meet, the division coordinator had to tell
> her to tone it down because she was screaming to
> the swimmers thoughout the events. During this
> meet, the announcer, who was using a microphone,
> could not continue announcing the swimmers' names
> becuase of her screaming and cheering for each of
> the Brandywine swimmers. She was told more than
> once to tone it down to no avail. The division
> coordinator heard plenty of verbal complaints that
> day and throughout the season from other div. 13
> teams. FYI NVSL Team, I did give my name. I'm
> sure it's on a list with hundreds of others.

+1
Total truth.

I guess the recent results speek for themselves. I see at the JO's it was all RMSC, MACH and CUBU. The short course champ. was CUBU, RMSC and PM. Seems like
CUBU and RMSC are always on top.

***speAk***

This thread is a prime example of why some parents shouldn't dabble with message boards.

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

WTF????? Just came across this thread myself and didn't realize the amount of hostility out there in the NVSL, especially among the Division 13 teams in 2010. Congrats to CUBU on winning Junior Olympics!!!!!!!

evnelson9999 Wrote:
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> This thread is a prime example of why some parents
> shouldn't dabble with message boards.
>
> If you don't get it, you don't get it.


Typical northern virginia assholes...

Junior Olympic Team Scores:
CUBU 5,496 points
SHARK TANK 11 points

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Wrote:
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> Junior Olympic Team Scores:
> CUBU 5,496 points
> SHARK TANK 11 points

Compare percentage of entries, asshole. CUBU is a Nation wide team.

CUBUDOUCHE Wrote:
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> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Junior Olympic Team Scores:
> > CUBU 5,496 points
> > SHARK TANK 11 points
>
> Compare percentage of entries, asshole. CUBU is a
> Nation wide team.


And how, precisely, does one define "Nation wide" at the school that you attend?

CUBUDOUCHE Wrote:
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> Compare percentage of entries, asshole. CUBU is a
> Nation wide team.

It's "nationwide." And how exactly is a team with facilities in DC, MD, and VA a nationwide team anyway?

Hank the Dwarf Wrote:
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> evnelson9999 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This thread is a prime example of why some
> parents
> > shouldn't dabble with message boards.
> >
> > If you don't get it, you don't get it.
>
>
> Typical northern virginia assholes...


Who? Me?

All this talk about teams. It is as much about the specific coaches your child works with as the team. Get recommendations.

That being said, I would still avoid a questionable team that tries to fly under the radar by showing up unregistered to meets and who gets lanespace and equipment storage without paying a rec center.

Peter DeWeese Wrote:
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> All this talk about teams. It is as much about
> the specific coaches your child works with as the
> team. Get recommendations.
>
> That being said, I would still avoid a
> questionable team that tries to fly under the
> radar by showing up unregistered to meets and who
> gets lanespace and equipment storage without
> paying a rec center.

Which team are you referring to and how do they get away with that?

bubbles Wrote:
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> Peter DeWeese Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All this talk about teams. It is as much about
> > the specific coaches your child works with as
> the
> > team. Get recommendations.
> >
> > That being said, I would still avoid a
> > questionable team that tries to fly under the
> > radar by showing up unregistered to meets and
> who
> > gets lanespace and equipment storage without
> > paying a rec center.
>
> Which team are you referring to and how do they
> get away with that?

Peter must be talking about the Shark Tank team. Now they are getting free lane time by swimming at Brandywine pool in the NVSL.

curl burke is for swimmers who think they are fast but are really just big babies. They could be the most annoying team in the area

Wow, it's so funny how people try to start something from nothing. I have kids, who are both active in sports. Like so many other posts have stated, you have no idea what any of the charges truly are or if it's the same person. A responsible parent never pushes their child off on another adult - coach or not. It's a common known fact, that must kids are abused by family members - think about that before you make accusations...

Are you a stay at home parent or trying to live vicariously thru your child? Either way, get a life! Find something better to do then play on the internet all times of the day and night. Talk about being childish. If your child was that good, you wouldn't need to post about another team's coach - their record would be enough for you to live off of. Instead you have to try to bring someone else down to your level.....wow...again, grow up.

swimmer Wrote:
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> curl burke is for swimmers who think they are fast
> but are really just big babies. They could be the
> most annoying team in the area


oh the trolling begins, if you look at the nvsl recordboards you will see that all of the record holders swim for curl buke. how do you think chesterbrook is so good? curl burke. how do you think mosby woods went from divison 8 to 4 and had a 4-1 season and won relay carnival. your awnser is curl burke. i can name a thousand ways curl burke is awsome. try me punk

Division 13 too Wrote:
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> Pool Rat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > At one meet, the division coordinator had to
> tell
> > her to tone it down because she was screaming
> to
> > the swimmers thoughout the events. During this
> > meet, the announcer, who was using a
> microphone,
> > could not continue announcing the swimmers'
> names
> > becuase of her screaming and cheering for each
> of
> > the Brandywine swimmers. She was told more than
> > once to tone it down to no avail. The division
> > coordinator heard plenty of verbal complaints
> that
> > day and throughout the season from other div.
> 13
> > teams. FYI NVSL Team, I did give my name. I'm
> > sure it's on a list with hundreds of others.
>
> +1
> Total truth.

Can someone please go the Brandywine meet this Saturday, 9AM, at the Brandywine Pool, and report back on this behavior? Or perhaps post a video? I'd go myself, but I have a life. Last year there were some kids running a weekly NVSL video blog - maybe they can go and tape the shenanigans.

CUBU is the reason Chesterbrook is good???? Try CUBU/Machine/York/Fish, punk

FFXU Unite! Wrote:
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>
>
> Can someone please go the Brandywine meet this
> Saturday, 9AM, at the Brandywine Pool, and report
> back on this behavior? Or perhaps post a video?
> I'd go myself, but I have a life. Last year there
> were some kids running a weekly NVSL video blog -
> maybe they can go and tape the shenanigans?

Brandywine lost.

My family and I are new to the swim programs in this area and to tell everyone of you the truth, I'm embarrassed by the postings on this page. You have an option of selecting your own team and coaching staff for your child. There is no reason for anyone to personally attack any coach. Grow up!

backstroke guru Wrote:
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> FFXU Unite! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > Can someone please go the Brandywine meet this
> > Saturday, 9AM, at the Brandywine Pool, and
> report
> > back on this behavior? Or perhaps post a video?
>
> > I'd go myself, but I have a life. Last year
> there
> > were some kids running a weekly NVSL video blog
> -
> > maybe they can go and tape the shenanigans?
>
> Brandywine lost.

All that nonsense and they did not even win their division, and barely won the Relay Carnival. Another year in Division 10 I suppose.

I guess you are one of the team that Brandywine beat. What with all the hate.. Grow up

Brandywine coaches and team rep got pissed when our team did group cheers and they don't let their own swimmers cheer..wtf

fish and mako's are only mediocre if you want proof now, look at McLean.
a few years at CUBU can turn your 13-14 boy into these monsters http://reachforthewall.com/2011/07/15/battle-in-mcsl-division-b/
scroll down to the picture. and NOOONE F&*^ with CUBU

Wow...I guess no one can say anything else bad about Brandywine or they are just haters. I checked out the NVSL results. They where moved up 3 divisions this summer, had a winning (3-2) season and the only two losses where less the 15 points...And they won there relay carnival!!! The small team with the big swimmers...looks like to me. Somebody DEFINITELY knows what they are doing over there!!! Wow. Results... speak for themselves.

Results Wrote:
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> Wow...I guess no one can say anything else bad
> about Brandywine or they are just haters. I
> checked out the NVSL results. They where moved up
> 3 divisions this summer, had a winning (3-2)
> season and the only two losses where less the 15
> points...And they won there relay carnival!!! The
> small team with the big swimmers...looks like to
> me. Somebody DEFINITELY knows what they are doing
> over there!!! Wow. Results... speak for
> themselves.


Oh, God, give it a rest.

swim dad Wrote:
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> Results Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wow...I guess no one can say anything else bad
> > about Brandywine or they are just haters. I
> > checked out the NVSL results. They where moved
> up
> > 3 divisions this summer, had a winning (3-2)
> > season and the only two losses where less the
> 15
> > points...And they won there relay carnival!!!
> The
> > small team with the big swimmers...looks like
> to
> > me. Somebody DEFINITELY knows what they are
> doing
> > over there!!! Wow. Results... speak for
> > themselves.
>
>
> Oh, God, give it a rest.

I agree, give it a rest. Who the hell cares about Brandywine? Why don't you go back to school and learn how to spell? It's "they WERE moved," "two losses WERE less THAN 15 points," and "they won THEIR relay carnival."

anonyyyy Wrote:
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> fish and mako's are only mediocre if you want
> proof now, look at McLean.
> a few years at CUBU can turn your 13-14 boy into
> these monsters
> http://reachforthewall.com/2011/07/15/battle-in-mc
> sl-division-b/
> scroll down to the picture. and NOOONE F&*^ with
> CUBU

+1

Lots of conflicting info here. Just moved to the area and was trying to find a winter swim team for my 3 kids. Is it too late to join a team? What's the deal with Shark Tank Racing Squad? Any new feedback? Our new neighbors recommended Potomac Marlins. Any others worthwhile and that allow latecomers?

newbie Wrote:
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> Lots of conflicting info here. Just moved to the
> area and was trying to find a winter swim team for
> my 3 kids. Is it too late to join a team? What's
> the deal with Shark Tank Racing Squad? Any new
> feedback? Our new neighbors recommended Potomac
> Marlins. Any others worthwhile and that allow
> latecomers?

You can still join the Marlins. They are one of the few that have a pro-rated program. They are not the greatest but not the worst. As with any team, it depends on what coach you have.

Marlins are outstanding w/solid coaching at Cub Run and GMU

Is it unheard of for a winter swim coach to take a swimmer for private lessons? If so, where can one find a coach for a few private lessons?

newbie Wrote:
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> Lots of conflicting info here. Just moved to the
> area and was trying to find a winter swim team for
> my 3 kids. Is it too late to join a team? What's
> the deal with Shark Tank Racing Squad? Any new
> feedback? Our new neighbors recommended Potomac
> Marlins. Any others worthwhile and that allow
> latecomers?


newbie, what was your choice?

People get serious
It is summer swim. SUMMER swim where the kids do 50s. YES 50s

Most good USA swim teams are not focused on 50s once you turn 11

There is only one 50 in hs swim.
And no offense but the BEST coaches are PVS coaches for whom this is a profession. I have been involved in swimming for about ten years now and have one girl doing year round for 7 years now. It is ALL about the coach.

Who cares about Brandywine

my goodness Wrote:
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>
> Who cares about Brandywine

Brandywine has lost all three meets so far this summer.

Flip Turn Wrote:
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> my goodness Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Who cares about Brandywine
>
> Brandywine has lost all three meets so far this
> summer.

Make that four losses for a 0-4 record and 4th in Relay Carnival. Guess they are going back down the NVSL ladder next year.

I'm also looking for a good winter swim program. Am looking at CUBU, Fish and Machine, but would also be interested in private swimming lessons. One poster asked is it reasonable for private coaches and if so how do you go about finding one and getting lane rental? This option would also interest me. Anyone know anything about doing this? Is it even feasible?

FFX Rec. centers do not allow outside "private" instructors to rent lanes. In addition, teams are not permitted to do lessons in the facilities. This is one of the reasons Machine is building a swim school for all levels in Vienna. It is a private center owned and operated by them for lessons, not the competitive practices.
I started with CUBU for my oldest at 8 and moved him to Machine at 10. I have now graduated two out with scholarships (they train in the summer with MACH) and two more coming through. Needless to say we have been very happy with Machine.

After reading all this crap, makes me glad we swim in the country club league. If you want a FUN enviroment for summer swim, that where it is.

Summer swim folks, go start your own thread. This is for "WINTER SWIM TEAMS"

Who cares about summer swim? Any kid can swim a 50. Summer swim parents need to get a life! Quit trying to live through your kid. Should I go start the thread for you? Go away fun, happy time summer swimmers.

Thank you very much! I appreciate the information and will definitely look into Machine.

long time swim member Wrote:
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> FFX Rec. centers do not allow outside "private"
> instructors to rent lanes. In addition, teams are
> not permitted to do lessons in the facilities.
> This is one of the reasons Machine is building a
> swim school for all levels in Vienna. It is a
> private center owned and operated by them for
> lessons, not the competitive practices.
> I started with CUBU for my oldest at 8 and moved
> him to Machine at 10. I have now graduated two
> out with scholarships (they train in the summer
> with MACH) and two more coming through. Needless
> to say we have been very happy with Machine.


Machine does turn out some good swimmers, especailly in distance. What part of Vienna will the new facility be located?

Go away summer swim maniacs. 50s are for wimps
PVS is where really swimming happens

Everyone is over Shark Tank.
They don't swim.

Agree go away summer swim Wrote:
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> Go away summer swim maniacs. 50s are for wimps
> PVS is where really swimming happens
>
> Everyone is over Shark Tank.
> They don't swim.

You mean PVS is where sexual abuse of minors happens like Rick Curl of Curl-Burke:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/curl-burke-founder-rick-curl-faces-hearing-on-former-swimmers-account-of-underage-sexual-relationship/2012/07/25/gJQAg78q8W_story.html

After a mediocre year with a Loudoun based club, my daughter tried out a couple of clubs (CUBU & FISH) . She fell in love with the program, coaches, and teammates at the FISH (http://pvfish.org/) and started swimming for them about 3 months ago. She has dropped significant time in all her strokes and finaled in all her events (BR, IM, FR) at JOs, qualifying for Zones in two events. The FISH also won third at JOs (aThe FISH with only 300+ swimmers [including mini program], they outscored much larger clubs MACH, SNOW, PM, etc.) Needless to say, she is extremely happy with the FISH and would recommend it for any serious swimmer. Good luck with your search.

How many parents will pull their kids out of the CUBU program now? What a shame, overall it is a decent program.

swim parent too Wrote:
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> How many parents will pull their kids out of the
> CUBU program now? What a shame, overall it is a
> decent program.

I'm pulling mine out. Changing the name of the club from the founder-rapist to the CUBU intials won't do much to keep its reputation. All those years, Rick Curl was sending hush money to his victim's family from his business, i.e., registration fees paid by unsuspecting parents. Meanwhile, the victim withdrew from college, lost her swimming scholarship, and suffered mental problems while Rick Curl went off to Australia probably to prey on other young teen swimmers. He's a rich man now instead of the incarcerated felon he should be.

Dear disqusted
Are you seriously going to remove your kid cause of something two decades old?
If you happy with team stay.
If you are stupid enough to think this is club specific then I feel bad for your kid

the Machine swim school will be in downtown Vienna. Mill Street & Church Street. It is under construction right now and will open in late September.
Info is at www.machineswimschool.com

Dear Disqusted Wrote:
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> Dear disqusted
> Are you seriously going to remove your kid cause
> of something two decades old?
> If you happy with team stay.
> If you are stupid enough to think this is club
> specific then I feel bad for your kid

Considering the guy they put in charge (Pete Morgan) is the same coach who likely knew of the abuse and did nothing about it....I'd do the same.

There is NO PROOF Pete Morgan knew.

Does anyone posting here try to tell her to drop it? Or know and talked to her since this came out? What physical proof is there? The NDA is not proof. Millions of people sign NDA's and pay money to a person or co. FOr a personal or business reason it is to protect both sides from current and future legal disputes. Signing a paper or giving someone money is simply a business or personal deal it is never proof, it says in the NDA it is not admission of guilt by Curl and female may not sue or criminal charge or try to punish him or his co. or associates. So she, the media, police and courts all are violating NDA.She will be forced to repay NDA plus damages(could be millions) plus NDA means no civil or criminal case against Curl can proceed. Why doesn't someone on here who knows her and her parents and atty ask them questions like where is the proof? There is no case. She has never been abused.In NDA she said sex at 16. In Maryland Age of Consent is 16. So it is legal. Now she says she lied in NDA and changes her story to 12,13,14. She has lied and changed stories repeatedly. Remeber she, atty, USA Swimming are all punishing Curl to gain themselves millions of dollars. She admits to doing nothing for child abuse. She never called police. Never tried to leave Curl or his club. She is simply taking revenge on him and abusing him. He has the right not to be convicted in the media and to fairly present his side. If he stops working due to this case Virginia loses a taxpayer and employer and Maryland gains another debtor if he goes to jail. He may be innocent. If he isn't he has been punished enough. All critics stop condemning him. Would you want to be treated like this in public? Isn't it strange she never tried to stop going to Curl Club if Curl tried to start a relationship with her if she did not consent? Did any one here on this site know her and tried to get her to drop the charges? Or is anyone here telling her to press charges? 15 years or more is not fair to anyone except murders. If she trained for the Olympics why is she having sex and risking pregnancy? She can't go to the Olympics if pregnant or has a baby! If she goes to church her church is probably opposed to pre-marital sex. Why didn't she just say no or just tell Curl she switched clubs? He may have stayed at her house not for sex. Why would he have sex with her when he had a girlfriend then got married? Why stay at Currin's house when he is married? Why didn't wife go with him on out of state meets? How did Currin get contraceptives? Why was no sex exam at the police station and a police report done after one such unwanted activity if it was unwanted? Where is the actual writing from the diary? If she did not want it to end why did she write about Curl and sex in her diary and why did parents read the diary? She can't keep a secret now. Who believes she kept a secret as a teen? Maybe he just went to her house or stayed the night to BABYSIT her! Maybe he kicked her out of his club and for revenge she claimed child abuse even those there was no relationship and she made it up for revenge. NDA is not ever admission of any agreement or guilt it is for to disputing persons or companies to stop dispute period. No evidence! No witnesses! Made up story! I am betting on Curl being right and he deserves to be treated first rate as he has treated her and everyone else. Also for those who don't know - many adults like Curl who tried to punish a child or teen found that child or teen would retaliate and would admit it telling the adult if you try to punish me or tell my parents I will tell them you are a child abuser. So the adult ends up being falsely accused of a crime. Many innocent teachers hhave had this happen as well as many parents who divorce and one of the divorced adults charge their ex-spouse with child abuse. Many plaintiffs and alleged victims are liars and are the real criminals. Keep that in mind. One day that can happen to you and you would not want everyone to assume you are guilty of such a crime. He is innocent and I believe he will be cleared. Put on this site what her answer is when you ask her did she make this all up just for money and to ruin Curl and where is all the pysical evidence as proof beyond a reasonable doubt? How does she afford to pay her atty? She and her parents and her atty are the real felons I am telling you. Give him and Noah a chance to clear their names. Just as you would want if ever charged with any crime.

Curl is Innocent. Wrote:
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> Does anyone posting here try to tell her to drop
> it? Or know and talked to her since this came out?
> What physical proof is there? The NDA is not
> proof. Millions of people sign NDA's and pay money
> to a person or co. FOr a personal or business
> reason it is to protect both sides from current
> and future legal disputes. Signing a paper or
> giving someone money is simply a business or
> personal deal it is never proof, it says in the
> NDA it is not admission of guilt by Curl and
> female may not sue or criminal charge or try to
> punish him or his co. or associates. So she, the
> media, police and courts all are violating NDA.She
> will be forced to repay NDA plus damages(could be
> millions) plus NDA means no civil or criminal case
> against Curl can proceed. Why doesn't someone on
> here who knows her and her parents and atty ask
> them questions like where is the proof? There is
> no case. She has never been abused.In NDA she said
> sex at 16. In Maryland Age of Consent is 16. So it
> is legal. Now she says she lied in NDA and changes
> her story to 12,13,14. She has lied and changed
> stories repeatedly. Remeber she, atty, USA
> Swimming are all punishing Curl to gain themselves
> millions of dollars. She admits to doing nothing
> for child abuse. She never called police. Never
> tried to leave Curl or his club. She is simply
> taking revenge on him and abusing him. He has the
> right not to be convicted in the media and to
> fairly present his side. If he stops working due
> to this case Virginia loses a taxpayer and
> employer and Maryland gains another debtor if he
> goes to jail. He may be innocent. If he isn't he
> has been punished enough. All critics stop
> condemning him. Would you want to be treated like
> this in public? Isn't it strange she never tried
> to stop going to Curl Club if Curl tried to start
> a relationship with her if she did not consent?
> Did any one here on this site know her and tried
> to get her to drop the charges? Or is anyone here
> telling her to press charges? 15 years or more is
> not fair to anyone except murders. If she trained
> for the Olympics why is she having sex and risking
> pregnancy? She can't go to the Olympics if
> pregnant or has a baby! If she goes to church her
> church is probably opposed to pre-marital sex. Why
> didn't she just say no or just tell Curl she
> switched clubs? He may have stayed at her house
> not for sex. Why would he have sex with her when
> he had a girlfriend then got married? Why stay at
> Currin's house when he is married? Why didn't wife
> go with him on out of state meets? How did Currin
> get contraceptives? Why was no sex exam at the
> police station and a police report done after one
> such unwanted activity if it was unwanted? Where
> is the actual writing from the diary? If she did
> not want it to end why did she write about Curl
> and sex in her diary and why did parents read the
> diary? She can't keep a secret now. Who believes
> she kept a secret as a teen? Maybe he just went to
> her house or stayed the night to BABYSIT her!
> Maybe he kicked her out of his club and for
> revenge she claimed child abuse even those there
> was no relationship and she made it up for
> revenge. NDA is not ever admission of any
> agreement or guilt it is for to disputing persons
> or companies to stop dispute period. No evidence!
> No witnesses! Made up story! I am betting on Curl
> being right and he deserves to be treated first
> rate as he has treated her and everyone else. Also
> for those who don't know - many adults like Curl
> who tried to punish a child or teen found that
> child or teen would retaliate and would admit it
> telling the adult if you try to punish me or tell
> my parents I will tell them you are a child
> abuser. So the adult ends up being falsely accused
> of a crime. Many innocent teachers hhave had this
> happen as well as many parents who divorce and one
> of the divorced adults charge their ex-spouse with
> child abuse. Many plaintiffs and alleged victims
> are liars and are the real criminals. Keep that in
> mind. One day that can happen to you and you would
> not want everyone to assume you are guilty of such
> a crime. He is innocent and I believe he will be
> cleared. Put on this site what her answer is when
> you ask her did she make this all up just for
> money and to ruin Curl and where is all the
> pysical evidence as proof beyond a reasonable
> doubt? How does she afford to pay her atty? She
> and her parents and her atty are the real felons I
> am telling you. Give him and Noah a chance to
> clear their names. Just as you would want if ever
> charged with any crime.

What is criminal is your support of Curl. He signed the agreement long ago essentially admitting what he did. The reason minors can't consent to sex w/adults is because they are not mature enough to do so. The fact that is was consensual was irrelevant. Ugh - your post is ridiculous.

Isn't this old news?

I've been around swimming for a long time as both a child/teen, a summer coach, and now as a parent. My daughter took an interest in swimming very early so last summer I began 3 months of research of local year round swim clubs, asking only those whose opinions I respected, and visiting a number of clubs/having my daughter attend their tryouts. This is what I found:

Machine- Powerful team that shows results, however I wasn't ready for my 7 yr old to swim 3 days/week for 1.5 hrs/day- that was just my own preference since we still do other sports (FYI: They are a strong team at meets we have been to this winter)

Marlins- My summer swim coach recommended them but a few friends were not happy with the Oak Marr branch, stating that the coaches had their swimmers swim a lot of laps without much instruction. I wanted to attend their practices at Wakefield because I have confidence in my summer coach's opinion but I was too late as it was August- definitely worth checking out again as they were very friendly, responsive, informative, and impressive in their messages back to me

FBST (Fort Belvoir)- Great, kind coach (Mark), not much pressure, therefore not as significant results, but great for a swimmer into swimming for the fun of it. Low burn out rate. They are very flexible with practices- you can attend other practices at other facilities if you're unable to make your regular time. Great price too!

SDS- I've heard from a number of people, including family members who have been with them, that they are good for the younger years, ie up to age 12. I know a few of the coaches who are very kind and their swimmers like them, but I also know a number of people who have never got over the changes made when Victor left years ago

York- Close friends of ours love York- they're at the Oak Marr branch- Sorry, they're out of my driving range so I didn't research them further

Shark Tank- Small but powerful team. My younger daughter happens to have swim lessons when Shark Tank practices so I see them in action each week and the swimmers on the team look very enthusiastic about going to practice. Our friends have a son on the team and they love it there- and the son's stroke is flawless. Lance is known for having very high expectations and his students meet that level. Yes, he is strict so it all depends on if that works for your child. I know a number of young kids who have had him as their Stroke Mechanics instructor through Parktakes and they are all very solid swimmers. He would be a great fit for one of my daughters who responds well to strict, high expectations. I spoke with Patty about a spot on her team, and she was very kind and informative. We didn't end up with them because my daughter would need to attend three practices a week (we wanted only two) and practices were each at a different site and too late in the evening for us- but the schedule might be perfect for someone else. I personally prefer a larger team that is divided into small groups- but some people prefer a small team. Too bad John is moving- he seemed like a fun, strong, animated coach whom the swimmers enjoyed.

Makos- I know a number of people who have said over the years that practices are too often cancelled due to the coach being out or swim meets at GMU. A few years ago a cousin swam with them and the coach often didn't show up so a parent would often fill in. My daughter tried out with them and while she was faster and more stroke efficient than swimmers a few years older, they would not budge on allowing her to swim in age group 1 strictly based on age (they wanted her in their high level minis program). However, my daughter's soccer coach has kids on their team who swim just for fun and exercise- not too competitively- and really likes the team and coaches (although they were surprised to hear that our current team has only 3-4 kids per lane and said theirs are at least 8 kids per lane). Some people love having practices at GMU, others say it's very inconvenient.

FISH- I know a number of families who don't want to commit to official year-round swimming with 2 or more practices plus meets. So they have their kids in FISH's Saturday clinic at Audrey Moore and love it. It's an hour of lap swimming with some refinement of stroke technique. I know another swimmer who has transitioned over to their regular team and loves it. She plays travel soccer and FISH is accommodating with her soccer schedule.

CUBU/NCAP- Great reputation, strong coaches, convenient location (you can just drop your kids off in front of the small club- Burke Racquet). This is the team we decided on and it has been a perfect fit for us. There are only 3-4 swimmers per lane with 6 lanes and 2-3 very attentive coaches. They have their eyes on the swimmers at all times and fine tune the smallest details. Only negative is that communications to parents could be improved, but that is nothing compared to the quality swimming my daughter receives. She has dropped significant time in a year, but I'm sure many swimmers do in all clubs due to the fact that they are in the water so much. We are happy here, but that is not to say we wouldn't be happy somewhere else too. FYI: They're about $1600 for two days of swimming/week for the whole year minus a break in mid-late August (most clubs end in May), and price includes all meet fees and t-shirts, caps, and membership to the club. That is about standard cost if you take into account they run through summer months- early AM practices so you can still swim on a summer swim team.

Again, it really depends on your swimmer and their goals. Is their goal to have fun/increase exercise as a recreational swimmer or to be highly competitive? Do they respond to strict or more easy-going coaching styles? Do you want more or less practices/week and does your child want to continue in other sports? I suggest you just pop in to various clubs and watch practices from a distance and see if the coaching style suits your child. Ask people whose opinions you respect. Understand that many people have strong opinions about certain clubs but go see for yourself. Go to various tryouts, get a vibe, and ask your child what they thought. My daughter was very good about telling me what she liked/disliked about each tryout. Also, find a place that is convenient... that matters so much.

Were you concerned about recent ecents

No. None of our kids have any coaches that were around that long ago. My brother swam with Curl Burke during that time and he had no concerns then or now for the Burke branch.

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Since it's been a while since this subject has been visited where do winter teams stand now?

Here's what I hear-
Machine up and coming
Marlins struggling
NCAP staying strong
Makos doing well
RMSC still assholes
York just not that into it
Snow not bad

Don't over think it and fight your urge to be a crazy swim team parent

Don't over think it and fight your urge to be a crazy swim team parent

New to the area.

I looked at PVS web sites but would like real people feed back, swimmers and parents.

thanks

It depends on what you are looking for. My own kids did Winter Swim at Wakefield Rec center through their summer swim team. It was a once a week thing, not competitive at all. It was just enough to keep them in the water and helped to maintain their swim skills and conditioning over the winter.

What level of winter swim are you hoping to find?

something that has an advance level in there program for a college bound swimmer...probably looking at getting into a top DII or middle of the road DI

9NbdV

ex-NVSL Swimmer Wrote:
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> I swam for NVSL (summer swim) for 12 years and did
> a number of Winter swim programs including:
>
> Solitar
> York Swim Club
> FISH
>
> I'd recommend all of them.
>
> I've never heard of CUBU or MACH but have heard
> good things about MAKOS.
>
> Really it all comes down to the coach. You could
> sign up with a fantastic organization but if the
> coach running your child's practices isn't
> watching and improving their stroke it'll be
> useless.
>
> Pick the one that meets at your closest local REC
> center. Driving the kids around 3x a week to a
> far-away place is a pain in the ass.

Make sure you meet with all prospective teams and observe a practice, talk to parents that are there, gauge the level of interaction between swimmers and coaches, in all lanes. Gauge the level of intensity of the parents, if they seem too intense, which is really hard to avoid in this area, I would pause and speak to more parents to get a feel for the team. Try to choose a pool close to home, as you will be spending A LOT of your life there. I can recommend the MACHINE, long term (10+ years with the team) and full-time coaches and team owners, who honestly want your children to succeed. In the end you can have the best team, but a poor coach or coaching fit with your child.

I second all of the above, except the FISH recommendation. As my kids would say, "10 out of 10 wouldn't recommend." Cliquish, INTENSE, crazy pool hours and locations, and just a generally terrible overall experience. Some nice coaches, but an overall experience that really impacted our year because my children were were so unhappy. Just a general disrespect showed to athletes that weren't the fastest of the fast or a coaches' personal favorite.