Hoveround® Wrote:
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> We make those stair lift things too if that would
> help.
>
>
> Starting to back up already btw.


Good thing there's plenty of cut-through streets. Tapawingo, Park and Cedar look like a nice green work around.

Of course, I don't need a color coded map to tell me what is a sure thing on a nearly daily basis.

human GPS Wrote:
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> Hoveround® Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We make those stair lift things too if that
> would
> > help.
> >
> >
> > Starting to back up already btw.
>
>
> Good thing there's plenty of cut-through streets.
> Tapawingo, Park and Cedar look like a nice green
> work around.
>
> Of course, I don't need a color coded map to tell
> me what is a sure thing on a nearly daily basis.



Fortunately you're just cutting through and don't have to deal with the worst of it like the locals do.

Will any part of maple ave(within ToV limits) be shut down? I don't mind using a cut through street but I would like to know ahead of time so that I'm not among the hundreds of other people that are forced to make a spur of the moment detour when the road is suddenly blocked off by two cop cars and a barricade.

human GPS Wrote:
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> Good thing there's plenty of cut-through streets.
> Tapawingo, Park and Cedar look like a nice green
> work around.

As was pointed out the last time you made a fool of yourself on this topic (and the time before that as well), looks on a computer screen can be deceiving. Anyone aware of the actual nature of Tapawingo Road, Park Street, and Cedar Lane in the AM-rush would have understood the sorts of problems they present. First of all, no part of Cedar Lane is in the Town of Vienna. It is a bypass route, not a cut-through street. Your other options meanwhile will not take you anywhere you could not have reached more quickly and easily simply by having stuck with the designated bypass routes. Worse yet, these alternate streets are beset by various types of "calming" features such as schools, 4-way stops, speed bumps, and now even round-abouts, As the result, these options are not short-cuts at all. They are in fact LONG-cuts that no rational driver would choose over a more efficient alternative.

Will there be any rando creeper vendor reps there? I was just thinking I need to put aluminum siding all over my brick home as well as get a full set of gutter helmets...

You weren't actually thinking of anything beyond the burn-burn-burn of all that butthurt you've absorbed here.

Meanwhile, fifty thousand or so normal people will be hoping to have a great time at Viva! Vienna! this year. Unfortunately, it looks like showers and thunderstorms will be moving into the area around mid-afternoon on Saturday and hanging around the rest of the holiday weekend. Still won't be as depressing as being in Falls Church, so grab an umbrella and come on over!

Home.Pwner Wrote:
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> Will there be any rando creeper vendor reps there?
> I was just thinking I need to put aluminum siding
> all over my brick home as well as get a full set
> of gutter helmets...

Not sure but probably some mattress vendors.

Will they have Scallops on a stick?

mattress vendors Wrote:
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> Not sure but probably some mattress vendors.

Twice as likely to encounter one of those in Falls Church and the downside gets even worse from there.

Fresh Seafood Wrote:
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> Will they have Scallops on a stick?

Well, as one oought to know, fresh scallops are available in this market 365 days a year, so it’s entirely possible. So good when hot out of the deep-fryer!

Any Water Taxi rides?

Water Sporter Wrote:
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> Any Water Taxi rides?

Only “downtown.” Wherever that is.

Rockporter Wrote:
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> Well, as one oought to know, fresh scallops are
> available in this market 365 days a year, so
> it’s entirely possible. So good when hot out of
> the deep-fryer!

Just great with coconut risotto too!

Will a Sommelier be available for my high end beverage needs?

Go over to MacArthur Liquors and take pictures.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> First of all, no part of
> Cedar Lane is in the Town of Vienna.

Sure it is. I've lived in Vienna for over a decade. The town boundary runs right down the middle of Cedar from Park to where it crosses 66.

Fine Whine Wrote:
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> Will a Sommelier be available for my high end
> beverage needs?


Will cheese be cut, and offered to the public?

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> human GPS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Good thing there's plenty of cut-through
> streets.
> > Tapawingo, Park and Cedar look like a nice
> green
> > work around.
>
> As was pointed out the last time you made a fool
> of yourself on this topic (and the time before
> that as well), looks on a computer screen can be
> deceiving. Anyone aware of the actual nature of
> Tapawingo Road, Park Street, and Cedar Lane in the
> AM-rush would have understood the sorts of
> problems they present. First of all, no part of
> Cedar Lane is in the Town of Vienna. It is a
> bypass route, not a cut-through street. Your
> other options meanwhile will not take you anywhere
> you could not have reached more quickly and easily
> simply by having stuck with the designated bypass
> routes. Worse yet, these alternate streets are
> beset by various types of "calming" features such
> as schools, 4-way stops, speed bumps, and now even
> round-abouts, As the result, these options are
> not short-cuts at all. They are in fact LONG-cuts
> that no rational driver would choose over a more
> efficient alternative.


As the above poster pointed out, A chunk of Cedar is in fact located in the Town of Vienna. Just another thing you are wrong about. That's a rather long list.

Cedar is merely mentioned as a way of using the aforementioned streets to evade the stifling traffic on Maple. It's a shame you can't figure these things out.

Cedar Lane is the Town boundary, asshole. Like Nutley, Lee Highway, and Gallows Road, it is part of the bypass routes that keep morons from trying to play the cut-through game. You just get your ass kicked on the topic over and over and over again. Only the staggeringly dumb would not have learned their lesson by now.

All new Lincoln Navigator. Wrote:
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> Cedar Lane is the Town boundary, asshole. Like
> Nutley, Lee Highway, and Gallows Road, it is part
> of the bypass routes that keep morons from trying
> to play the cut-through game. You just get your
> ass kicked on the topic over and over and over
> again. Only the staggeringly dumb would not have
> learned their lesson by now.


So, you admit you are wrong. A good chunk of Cedar is, in fact as others have pointed out, within the Town of Vienna boundary. And today, just like any other day, I can take a number of roads to reach Cedar that run through the town of Vienna. Happy commuting!

No, assfuck. You can use Cedar Lane to go AROUND Vienna. It cannot he used to go THROUGH Vienna. Just as you couldn’t when you made the same asshole claim two years ago.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> No, assfuck. You can use Cedar Lane to go AROUND
> Vienna. It cannot he used to go THROUGH Vienna.
> Just as you couldn’t when you made the same
> asshole claim two years ago.


Part of Cedar runs through Vienna. I can use the aforementioned streets and others to reach it. That very simple fact remains elusive to the very dumb which includes you.

Cedar Lane does not appear in the street inventory of the Town of Vienna. This is because no part of it is in the town, and if your earlier sock-puppet friend had been correct, it would have been the part that lies outside the town that you would have foolishly tried to use as a morning cut-through in any case. Google Maps has failed you once again. Happens so often to utterly incompetent people.

Maybe suggest Locust Street as a great AM cut-through option again, loser. LOL!

Yeah, no cut through problem.......

Per direction from staff on March 8, 2007, and after additional confirmation in September 2007, ATCS targeted the southeast and southwest quadrants to assess cut-through traffic traveling through Vienna residential streets from I-66 and points south/southeast to Tysons Corner and other destinations north/northwest.

Due to the size and complexity of the travel patterns in study area defined above, ATCS conducted a license plate survey at six locations (instead of the limit of three listed in the scope of work) to determine the exact percentages of traffic cutting through the Vienna residential communities in the southeast and southwest quadrants. Technicians were deployed to record the license plates at strategic locations where the Town staff and TSC expressed concerns. This information complements the traffic volume data collected in Task 2.
An origin–destination study process was employed to achieve two objectives: (1) identify trips traveling through, to, and from the study area; and (2) protect the privacy of the drivers in the vehicles traced by ATCS. The best (peak) time of day to collect data in the study area was determined after examining the traffic counts collected and processed in these quadrants. This analysis indicated that the survey should be conducted from 7 A.M. – 9 A.M. during the morning and from 4.30 P.M.–6.30 P.M. during the evening.

In the morning, vehicles cutting through the neighborhood to reach Tysons Corner from Nutley Street (Southwest), and Cedar Lane (Southeast) were captured. During the evening, vehicles going onto Nutley Street (Southwest) from Cedar Lane (Southeast) and Maple Avenue (Southeast) were recorded. The license plate number and time of day a vehicle passed the recording points were collected by ATCS. The results of each data collection point were compared to determine the travel patterns of the vehicles.

A maximum cut-through of 29% was observed from Cedar Lane, S to Nutley Street via Park Street and Kingsley Road.

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To the too dense to understand the above, almost 30% of the traffic via Park and Kingsley is cut-through. Apparently, I am not alone.

You are in fact alone in your stupidity. Cedar Lane for instance is not in Vienna and therefore cannot serve as a cut-through alternative. The study you now in desperation seek to shift attention to is from 2007. There are eleven more years worth of Town actions to counter the trickle of those dumb enough to believe that they can ‘save time’ by abandoning 123 and the long-established bypass routes. You might want to face the fact here that you are just as full of shit on this topic as you have been on so very many other topics over the years.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> You are in fact alone in your stupidity. Cedar
> Lane for instance is not in Vienna and therefore
> cannot serve as a cut-through alternative. The
> study you now in desperation seek to shift
> attention to is from 2007. There are eleven more
> years worth of Town actions to counter the trickle
> of those dumb enough to believe that they can
> ‘save time’ by abandoning 123 and the
> long-established bypass routes. You might want to
> face the fact here that you are just as full of
> shit on this topic as you have been on so very
> many other topics over the years.

3 number Cedar Lane addresses are in the Town of Vienna. Those exist along the stretch between Park and the 66 overpass. If anything, the situation has gotten worse in the ensuing 11 years. It's fine, you sit and wait on 66, I'll stick to my cut through routes.

Hey, asshole. Stop being such a douche. The question is over Cedar Lane itself, NONE of which is in Vienna. You lose. You do of course have the right to continue being a stupid jerk. None of your stupid actions however will be of any help to your commuting efforts.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> Hey, asshole. Stop being such a douche. The
> question is over Cedar Lane itself, NONE of which
> is in Vienna. You lose. You do of course have
> the right to continue being a stupid jerk. None
> of your stupid actions however will be of any help
> to your commuting efforts.

The question of this thread is about the food and bands of Viva Vienna. Of course, you took the usual detour. Hah! Kind of like the detours I use to cut through Vienna! The median of Cedar Lane is the town boundary. That's why addresses on the Vienna side of the road are three digits and are followed by SW. They're all part of the Town of Vienna. For example: Cedar Lane School 101 Cedar Lane, SW. In any event, it is all irrelevant as anyone can use the numerous side streets such as Tapawingo, Kingsley, Park, Cottage, etc. to get to Cedar to bypass 123.

How dumb can you be? The land inside the boundary is in the town. No part of Cedar Lane is in the town, hence it’s exclusion from the town’s streets inventory. Still too complex for you? Trying to be a ‘side-street driver’ will of course WASTE time, not save it. These are the facts, and the town acts to ensure that they always will be.

And it was your own sorry ass who reignited your latest crash-and-burn scenario re this topic. It has of course led to the same end as always. Stupid.

Correct the right-of-way between the shopping center and Cedar Lane is the Town Line. The Town Line follows that ROW line all the way to the I-66 bridge. Cedar Lane is not within the Tow limits. The two traffic signals are not maintained by the Town either.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> How dumb can you be? The land inside the boundary
> is in the town. No part of Cedar Lane is in the
> town, hence it’s exclusion from the town’s
> streets inventory. Still too complex for you?
> Trying to be a ‘side-street driver’ will of
> course WASTE time, not save it. These are the
> facts, and the town acts to ensure that they
> always will be.
>
> And it was your own sorry ass who reignited your
> latest crash-and-burn scenario re this topic. It
> has of course led to the same end as always.
> Stupid.

It is all irrelevant as anyone can use the numerous side streets such as Tapawingo, Kingsley, Park, Cottage, etc. to get to Cedar to bypass 123.

Keep your eye on the ball. It's about to pass you by.

Courthouse to Ware. Hmm, then what? Kingsley or Tapawingo? From there, do I pick Cottage or Park? These and so many other combinations available.

LOL! All of them will lead to places that you could have reached more quickly and easily simply by sticking with the established bypass routes. Being able to read street names off of Google maps is not a skill of any particular value, but self-delusion is seemingly a popular thing these days.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> LOL! All of them will lead to places that you
> could have reached more quickly and easily simply
> by sticking with the established bypass routes.
> Being able to read street names off of Google maps
> is not a skill of any particular value, but
> self-delusion is seemingly a popular thing these
> days.


Wrong, asshole. Those "bypass" routes can occasionally turn into parking lots. The aforementioned neighborhood streets routinely run at the same and consistent speed and provide for a predictable arrival time no matter the traffic conditions on the "bypass" routes. Nothing is left to chance by taking the neighborhood streets. Really, it's fine, sit in traffic while I keep moving.

Reminder: You are a three-time loser on this topic. Your Google map options don’t take you anywhere. They only slow you down, which is exactly what the Town intends.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> Reminder: You are a three-time loser on this
> topic. Your Google map options don’t take you
> anywhere. They only slow you down, which is
> exactly what the Town intends.


Actually, I've won on these side streets far more than three times. In fact, too many times to count. I don't head out that way as often as I used to, but I'm certain they'll still be viable options for me should I need them.

Have you ever asked yourself why it bothers you so much that someone else drives through the neighborhoods of Vienna instead of sticking to 123? Why does it make you so butthurt?

human GPS Wrote:
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> All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Reminder: You are a three-time loser on this
> > topic. Your Google map options don’t take
> you
> > anywhere. They only slow you down, which is
> > exactly what the Town intends.
>
>
> Actually, I've won on these side streets far more
> than three times. In fact, too many times to
> count. I don't head out that way as often as I
> used to, but I'm certain they'll still be viable
> options for me should I need them.
>
> Have you ever asked yourself why it bothers you so
> much that someone else drives through the
> neighborhoods of Vienna instead of sticking to
> 123? Why does it make you so butthurt?


Because he's a dumbfuck who regularly says stupid shit which you can easily use to bait him into arguing for days about?

lol

What bothers me is lying assholes in general. As an habitual lying asshole, you frequently come in for the sorts of beating that you have been burned by here.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> What bothers me is lying assholes in general. As
> an habitual lying asshole, you frequently come in
> for the sorts of beating that you have been burned
> by here.


The beating only exists in your addled brain. Meanwhile, I and many others have figured out that taking a few residential streets through Vienna saves time and hassle. The city's own traffic study confirmed that some residential cut-rhroughs hsndle nearly 30% of the vehicles as cit-through traffic. If you don't like it, point to a study that supports your babbling lies. If not, let the city's study be a constant reminder of your incompetent stupidity.

No, the vicious beatings you so routinely receive here are all too real. You are just a hapless moron who is not able to keep his lying assholeness under wraps.

The 2007 town study you have so naively cited has no bearing at all on your insipid claims merely from now being so badly out of date. As your Google maps apparently don't show, multiple "traffic calming" measures have been added in the SW quadrant in the eleven years since, each one designed to make outsider use of neighborhood streets an even less attractive proposition than it already had been. As has been noted, use of the routes you suggest will only INCREASE the time it takes a driver to get from one side of Vienna to the other in comparison to sticking to the bypass routes long ago established for that purpose.

The fact that you are too dumb to realize any of this only confirms the fact that you do not ctually live in Vienna and further have no actual occasion to use any of these streets during the morning rush.

In your past dismal failures here, you have boasted of beating morning traffic on 123 by traveling in the afternoon. That still works, but none of your other dingbat ideas has ever offered any success or credibility at all.

You FAIL! Badly!

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> The 2007 town study you have so naively cited has
> no bearing at all on your insipid claims merely
> from now being so badly out of date. As your
> Google maps apparently don't show, multiple
> "traffic calming" measures have been added in the
> SW quadrant in the eleven years since, each one
> designed to make outsider use of neighborhood
> streets an even less attractive proposition than
> it already had been. As has been noted, use of
> the routes you suggest will only INCREASE the time
> it takes a driver to get from one side of Vienna
> to the other in comparison to sticking to the
> bypass routes long ago established for that
> purpose.

A few stop signs is hardly worse than sitting at a string of unsynchronized lights. In any even, what do you care if my travel time is increased? In fact, it is rarely increased as it is a steady and consistent time regardless of the traffic conditions on Maple.

> The fact that you are too dumb to realize any of
> this only confirms the fact that you do not
> ctually live in Vienna and further have no actual
> occasion to use any of these streets during the
> morning rush.

I am thankful to not have to live in Vienna? Who said anything about morning rush? I'm talking any time of day and any day of the week. Using Tapawingo or Kingsley is preferable to this driver.

Time to tone down your butthurt. You look pathetic.

human GPS Wrote:
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> A few stop signs is hardly worse than sitting at a
> string of unsynchronized lights.

More evidence that you never actually drive in Vienna. If you did, the expanded speed-hump population would long ago have come to the fore. Speed-humps don't show up on Google maps, do they.

> In any event, what do you care if my travel time is
> increased? In fact, it is rarely increased as it is
> a steady and consistent time regardless of the traffic
> conditions on Maple.

Not the point, Professor Pathetic. The point is that you would do better in trying to avoid 123 (where the lights are indeed synchronized, btw) by following the established bypass routes than in trying to slog through residential neighborhoods full of traffic-calming obstacles.

> I am thankful to not have to live in Vienna?

Your deep-seated envy of Vienna says you wish you did. Back when I lived in Falls Church, I felt the same way. So glad to have become successful enough to have moved out of all that inside-the-Beltway crowding and decay.

> Who said anything about morning rush? I'm talking any
> time of day and any day of the week.

LOL! In The Gambler, Kenny Rogers advises that "You got to know when to fold 'em" and that's exactly what you just did. Anyone talking about the "bad traffic" in Vienna is referring to 123 toward Tysons in the morning rush and -- to a lesser extent -- away from Tysons in the evening rush. The rest of the time, Vienna is as easy to negotiate as anywhere in the vicinity.

> Using Tapawingo or Kingsley is preferable to this driver.

Suit yourself, dumbass, but neither of them crosses the bike-path, so don't expect to get any further than that without returning to 123 or Cedar Lane. Don't expect either to get away with even more lying through your teeth here about your phony exploits. You don't live in Vienna and only rarely drive anywhere near the place.

> Time to tone down your butthurt. You look pathetic.

Fuck off, Your Worthlessness. Some things never change, and your feckless ineptitude is one of them.

(I'm George Bromley, and I approved this message.)

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> human GPS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A few stop signs is hardly worse than sitting at
> a
> > string of unsynchronized lights.
>
> More evidence that you never actually drive in
> Vienna. If you did, the expanded speed-hump
> population would long ago have come to the fore.
> Speed-humps don't show up on Google maps, do
> they.
>
> > In any event, what do you care if my travel time
> is
> > increased? In fact, it is rarely increased as
> it is
> > a steady and consistent time regardless of the
> traffic
> > conditions on Maple.
>
> Not the point, Professor Pathetic. The point is
> that you would do better in trying to avoid 123
> (where the lights are indeed synchronized, btw) by
> following the established bypass routes than in
> trying to slog through residential neighborhoods
> full of traffic-calming obstacles.
>
> > I am thankful to not have to live in Vienna?
>
> Your deep-seated envy of Vienna says you wish you
> did. Back when I lived in Falls Church, I felt
> the same way. So glad to have become successful
> enough to have moved out of all that
> inside-the-Beltway crowding and decay.
>
> > Who said anything about morning rush? I'm
> talking any
> > time of day and any day of the week.
>
> LOL! In The Gambler, Kenny Rogers advises
> that "You got to know when to fold 'em" and that's
> exactly what you just did. Anyone talking about
> the "bad traffic" in Vienna is referring to 123
> toward Tysons in the morning rush and -- to a
> lesser extent -- away from Tysons in the evening
> rush. The rest of the time, Vienna is as easy to
> negotiate as anywhere in the vicinity.
>
> > Using Tapawingo or Kingsley is preferable to
> this driver.
>
> Suit yourself, dumbass, but neither of them
> crosses the bike-path, so don't expect to get any
> further than that without returning to 123 or
> Cedar Lane. Don't expect either to get away with
> even more lying through your teeth here about your
> phony exploits. You don't live in Vienna and only
> rarely drive anywhere near the place.
>
> > Time to tone down your butthurt. You look
> pathetic.
>
> Fuck off, Your Worthlessness. Some things never
> change, and your feckless ineptitude is one of
> them.
>
> (I'm George Bromley, and I approved this message.)



Vienna is a traffic clusterfuck.

We already knew that.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> human GPS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A few stop signs is hardly worse than sitting at
> a
> > string of unsynchronized lights.
>
> More evidence that you never actually drive in
> Vienna. If you did, the expanded speed-hump
> population would long ago have come to the fore.
> Speed-humps don't show up on Google maps, do
> they.
>
> > In any event, what do you care if my travel time
> is
> > increased? In fact, it is rarely increased as
> it is
> > a steady and consistent time regardless of the
> traffic
> > conditions on Maple.
>
> Not the point, Professor Pathetic. The point is
> that you would do better in trying to avoid 123
> (where the lights are indeed synchronized, btw) by
> following the established bypass routes than in
> trying to slog through residential neighborhoods
> full of traffic-calming obstacles.
>
> > I am thankful to not have to live in Vienna?
>
> Your deep-seated envy of Vienna says you wish you
> did. Back when I lived in Falls Church, I felt
> the same way. So glad to have become successful
> enough to have moved out of all that
> inside-the-Beltway crowding and decay.
>
> > Who said anything about morning rush? I'm
> talking any
> > time of day and any day of the week.
>
> LOL! In The Gambler, Kenny Rogers advises
> that "You got to know when to fold 'em" and that's
> exactly what you just did. Anyone talking about
> the "bad traffic" in Vienna is referring to 123
> toward Tysons in the morning rush and -- to a
> lesser extent -- away from Tysons in the evening
> rush. The rest of the time, Vienna is as easy to
> negotiate as anywhere in the vicinity.
>
> > Using Tapawingo or Kingsley is preferable to
> this driver.
>
> Suit yourself, dumbass, but neither of them
> crosses the bike-path, so don't expect to get any
> further than that without returning to 123 or
> Cedar Lane. Don't expect either to get away with
> even more lying through your teeth here about your
> phony exploits. You don't live in Vienna and only
> rarely drive anywhere near the place.
>
> > Time to tone down your butthurt. You look
> pathetic.
>
> Fuck off, Your Worthlessness. Some things never
> change, and your feckless ineptitude is one of
> them.
>
> (I'm George Bromley, and I approved this message.)


Damn, what a dumbass you are. The speed humps on Tapawingo and Kingsley are minimal. Maybe one or two. Again, inconsequential compared to unsynchronized lights and the lack of turning lanes on parts of Maple. Face it, Vienna is the armpit of NOVA and people like me will cut through the neighborhoods at will to avoid shitty 123 and spending any more time than necessary in Vienna.

The traffic study confirmed the long standing ritual of drivers like me cutting through the neighborhood streets littered with disgustingly ugly architectural designs and algae covered asbestos shingled homes.

123 sucks at multiple times of day, any day of the week and in any direction. To avoid any unforeseen problematic spots, it's a simple proposition to take the reliably consistent cut through routes that lead to predictable travel times.

Keep up your butthurt. It amuses me.

There’s not much that you actually know at all. This is especially true qwhen it comes to things about Vienna.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> There’s not much that you actually know at all.
> This is especially true qwhen it comes to things
> about Vienna.

All anyone needs to know about Vienna is the quickest way to cut through it in the event one needs to get through the area with the least amount if hassle. Beyond that, it's nothing more than a shithole propped up by butthurt morons who've had their asses handed to them on multiple occasions.

As any rational person would have realized long ago, the quickest way to get from one side of Vienna to the other during rush hour is to stick with established bypass routes. Investments in any sort of fantasy cut-through paths are all going to come up empty.

The town itself is of course a terrific family-oriented spot with great schools, great community spirit, tons of green-space parks and playgrounds, plus actual yards large enough to toss or kick a ball around in. There are also youth sports of many sorts, plus shopping, dining, and transportation options out the wazoo. Hard to think of a place that can actually compete.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> As any rational person would have realized long
> ago, the quickest way to get from one side of
> Vienna to the other during rush hour is to stick
> with established bypass routes. Investments in
> any sort of fantasy cut-through paths are all
> going to come up empty.
>
> The town itself is of course a terrific
> family-oriented spot with great schools, great
> community spirit, tons of green-space parks and
> playgrounds, plus actual yards large enough to
> toss or kick a ball around in. There are also
> youth sports of many sorts, plus shopping, dining,
> and transportation options out the wazoo. Hard to
> think of a place that can actually compete.
terrible clusterfuck of traffic.

Look elsewhere unless you want to lose 2 hours of your life every day sitting in that mess.


^ FIFY

Only drooling west county slowpokes actually do so. Smart folks know their way around.

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> Only drooling west county slowpokes actually do
> so. Smart folks know their way around to
avoid Vienna entirely.

^ FIFY

In favor of...

(Pardon me while I laugh in advance...)

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> As any rational person would have realized long
> ago, the quickest way to get from one side of
> Vienna to the other during rush hour is to stick
> with established bypass routes. Investments in
> any sort of fantasy cut-through paths are all
> going to come up empty.
>
> The town itself is of course a terrific
> family-oriented spot with great schools, great
> community spirit, tons of green-space parks and
> playgrounds, plus actual yards large enough to
> toss or kick a ball around in. There are also
> youth sports of many sorts, plus shopping, dining,
> and transportation options out the wazoo. Hard to
> think of a place that can actually compete.


Don't mind if I stick to my cut through routes. You can take the bypasses. Vienna is a well established speed bump on the way to Tyson's from Fairfax. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why would anyone take 123 to get from Fairfax to Tyson’s?

All new Lincoln Navigator Wrote:
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> Why would anyone take 123 to get from Fairfax to
> Tyson’s?

Exactly. Best to use the neighborhood streets of Vienna to avoid it.

More evidence for how very little you know of local geography.

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> More evidence for how very little you know of
> local geography.


Keep babbling, you bumbling noon.

Well, at any time of day, a sensible person would not use 123 to travel from Fairfax to Tysons. You’re so unfamiliar with any of that turf that you simply made a fool of yourself over it. Yet again.

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> Well, at any time of day, a sensible person would
> not use 123 to travel from Fairfax to Tysons.
> You’re so unfamiliar with any of that turf that
> you simply made a fool of yourself over it. Yet
> again.


Exactly. Sensible folks know the neighborhood cut-through streets are the wisest option when navigating through Vienna. Although, 123 is a direct route between the two involving no turns. As you pointed out, however, sensible people avoid 123 almost at any cost. This includes utilizing the neighborhood streets as cut-throughs.

True. Maple is fucked up all day.

Better to just avoid the Vienna area entirely. Unless you're one of the poor schmucks who live there and have to deal with that shit on a daily basis it's just not worth.