I remember when Annandale was overwhelmingly white and 236 was two lane concrete. Culmore apartments was overrun with good looking government girls living 2-3 to an apartment,and Columbia Pike was a veritable feast for the eyes during rush hour as well dressed white women commuting to work were six deep at every bus stop between Bailey's Xrds and S Rolfe St. Metro area clubs such as Crazy Horse in Georgetown, Casino Royal and Benny's downtown,1320 on Rt1 and Oxon Hill fire hall dances catered to white trade only. Were those times 'weird' enough for you?

causeican Wrote:
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> Speaking of elevators. When living in Four Mile
> Run Apartments in S.Arl. back in ’72-'73, me and
> a friend would ride the elevators for fun and
> we’d open the doors between floors and jump out
> onto the floor below. One time I jumped first,
> landed, turned and saw my friend teetering between
> the floor and falling back into the shaft. Without
> a single thought or a bead of sweat, I reached my
> hand out to him and pulled him in. I never thought
> anything of it until 25 years later. If my hand
> had not been there to pull him in, he would have
> surely been down that shaft. What a horrible
> event that would have been to have to live with.
> Kids have no idea what dangers they escape.

So you "jumped first" then you "pulled him in". Sounds like a made-up story told by a liar.

Jones Wrote:
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> I remember when Annandale was overwhelmingly white
> and 236 was two lane concrete. Culmore apartments
> was overrun with good looking government girls
> living 2-3 to an apartment,and Columbia Pike was a
> veritable feast for the eyes during rush hour as
> well dressed white women commuting to work were
> six deep at every bus stop between Bailey's Xrds
> and S Rolfe St. Metro area clubs such as Crazy
> Horse in Georgetown, Casino Royal and Benny's
> downtown,1320 on Rt1 and Oxon Hill fire hall
> dances catered to white trade only. Were those
> times 'weird' enough for you?


You're just an old fart who refuses to get with the times.

Bailey Wrote:
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> becky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am going way back...remember the even and odd
> > liscence plate dates for getting gas. We used
> ride
> > up to Kripy Kreme in bailey crossroads on our
> > bikes and sell them to drivers in gas lines.
> > Before Syline towerer was built it was an
> aipport
> > . And of the skyline building fell when it as
> > about 1/2 of the way constructed. Rember back
> in
> > fairfax county schools they did not have GT
> they
> > just tracked you , you were either in the smart
> > group, average group or dumb group. I wanted to
> be
> > in the dumb group becasuse my friend was their
> and
> > she has about 10 tubes of shiny lip gloss that
> I
> > liked to look at
>
>
> I remember that Krispy Kreme! Yum. Was sad when
> it closed. I also remembered the Roy Rogers
> across and up the street aways.
>
> The other crazy thing I remember happening was
> when a fairly large plane crashed into some
> mountain in the western part of Virginia might
> have been in Loudon. Can't remember which
> mountain. It was kind of a big crash, but you
> never hear of anyone talking about this one. I
> can't even find anything really on the internet,
> although I recall reading an article somewhere a
> couple of years ago about it. Think there is
> some "marker" on the side of the mountain. This
> was in the 70's too, I think. You could feel the
> vibration in the Tyson's area when it happened.

If you go to the National Transportation Safety Board website, you can download a pdf of the accident report. It is very detailed.

Jones Wrote:
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> I remember when Annandale was overwhelmingly white
> and 236 was two lane concrete. Culmore apartments
> was overrun with good looking government girls
> living 2-3 to an apartment,and Columbia Pike was a
> veritable feast for the eyes during rush hour as
> well dressed white women commuting to work were
> six deep at every bus stop between Bailey's Xrds
> and S Rolfe St. Metro area clubs such as Crazy
> Horse in Georgetown, Casino Royal and Benny's
> downtown,1320 on Rt1 and Oxon Hill fire hall
> dances catered to white trade only. Were those
> times 'weird' enough for you?

Wow. That must have been during the 1960's. Yes, times have changed.

Now, there is a Fairfax County Social Services Office across from the Annandale McDonald's and at times, random undesirable types from DC cause a disturbance demanding this and that and yelling at you if you look at 'em the wrong way. It won't be too long until 236 in that section of Annandale mirrors the Rt 1 Corridor.

The Strangeness of the Night Wrote:
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> As the DC Snipers kept on, it became scary to be
> in some places. I remember coming out of Wakefield
> Rec center. It was dusk and I thought the nearby
> woods were a place the snipers could hide. I hi
> tailed it to my car and saw kids just standing by
> the main doors like nothing was up. I wanted to
> yell at them to either get inside or get out to
> their car.
>
> And the Texaco or Shell as it became on Rt 236
> next to the 7-11 at Prosperity had the big blue
> tarp up over the gas pump area and got on National
> TV and I was glad they had that tarp up..

That was a nerve wracking few weeks.

I took the 29 G Bus to the Pentagon Metro stop every day and got on the bus at the bus stop on 236 across from the Exxon and the Annandale Bowling Alley.

Instead of waiting at the bus stop I sat about 45 ft back on the porch of an old house, which was an Office Supply Store at the time, but is now a Car Title Loan place. When the bus arrived, I sprinted from the porch to the bus. I wasn't taking any chances standing around at the bus stop.



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dapht Wrote:
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> I've been collecting information about the Mount
> Vernon Monster for a couple of years. I have a
> page devoted to it on a blog:
>
> http://dapht.blogspot.com/2011/02/new-page-mount-v
> ernon-monster.html
>
> I'm very interested in hearing from people who
> were there between September 1978 and Summer of
> 1979.
>
> I am most interested in people who can provide
> first hand accounts. I'm interested in claims of
> hoaxing -- for instance, if someone was hoaxing,
> did you witness the hoaxing? Did you participate
> in the hoaxing? There can't be any legal
> repercussions now, so don't be afraid to come
> forward if you were involved and can give
> information about a possible hoax.
>
> Likewise, I'm interested in hearing from people
> who were there and who knew the principle
> witnesses. If it's at all possible, I'd be
> interested in generating a timeline of events.
>
> If you were a witness either to the sounds the
> creature made, or of the creature itself, I'd be
> very interested in hearing from you. All
> correspondence with me will be held private at
> your request. You can email me from the blog
> linked above, or from the address at the top of
> this post.


I lived at the end of buckner rd next to the Woodlawn Golf course. The MV monster was supposed to be in the woods between the golf course and Southwood subdivision. I remember they found out it was a hoax - a tape recorder with weird sounds was found? I remember trying to listen at night to see if I could hear anything unusual.

The other crazy thing I remember happening was
> when a fairly large plane crashed into some
> mountain in the western part of Virginia might
> have been in Loudon. Can't remember which
> mountain. It was kind of a big crash, but you
> never hear of anyone talking about this one. I
> can't even find anything really on the internet,
> although I recall reading an article somewhere a
> couple of years ago about it. Think there is
> some "marker" on the side of the mountain. This
> was in the 70's too, I think. You could feel the
> vibration in the Tyson's area when it happened.

The date and flight and details here are all from memory I was up there 2 days later and where that plane hit was like a Giant lawn mower came into the mountain right at the road level and cut the trees off 200 ft wide. Then it hit right at road level into one of the only rock walls 5-6 feet high up there on the side of the road. The tail was intact, that's it. 90 some people died. IF the plane was 75 feet higher it would have gone over ,50 ft and may have made it, brushing thru tree tops as it was right at the summit about 15 feet below. Mt Weather is nearby and the crash blew its cover in many ways as it was a secret spot. It was pilot error, too low. It came from Indianapolis was supposed to go to Dulles, That was changed due to the weather. And its going to National, where families waited some coming from Dullas, and got the bad news , it hit about 4 pm and it was snowing and foggy. A solemn and sad scene it was.

DAJAX

That's the County, Loudoun was about 200 feet away to the east of the crash on the summit line. The road I think from memory ..is 609.It goes across the summit from Rt 50 to Rt 7 to the North. The Crash site is nearer the Sky Meadows side on the other side of Rt 50.

DAJAX

There's some news video footage out there as well. Just too lazy to look for it.
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Crash Site Wrote:
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> There's some news video footage out there as well.
> Just too lazy to look for it.


Crash Site:

Nice pic...is it a picture taken just after the crash? I would suspect so, because it seems there are "pathways" through the light snow on the ground up to what looks like small wreckage, and the couple of utility looking vehicles there...but other than, doesn't look like a crash occurred...

Light snow on ground seems undisturbed other than those couple of pathways, don't seem to be trees all smashed on the ground, doesn't seem to be a bunch of wreckage, etc...

Maybe it is a picture of the periphery of the site?

Who knows?

For those that are interested in this kind of stuff, there are some cool youtube videos of guys that find jetfighter crash sites out in the California desert/mountains...wreckage of F-4's, F-105's, etc...

>doesn't seem to be a bunch of wreckage, etc...
....................................................................

You can see the tail, to the top of the pic, that's the direction of the summit. To the east, Dulles is beyond 40 some miles away.

Where there standing in the pic is that rock along the side of the road, The plane was completely destroyed, when it hit that. Jet fuel was spewed all over, some scant smoke was still coming up 2 days later. This pic was probably made after they had gotten the remains of people out of there ,doing some final checks. It snowed the day of the wreck and several days later. It was sunny when I was up there.

Today looking west you can tell how those trees were cut off as the plane came in. Its a peaceful place and there's still wreckage up there..Leave um be..RIP

Pay your respects by the rock if you ever pass by... Leave the rest above alone..

DAJAX

Info on the TWA Flight 514 crash, December 1, 1974:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_514

I found this the other day in my attic. Groveton High is mentioned on Popkins Lane. I think around 1976. Funny incident.
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I think Groveton High moved from Popkins Rd to the current location of West Potomac High on Quander Rd in '75...

And the old Groveton High on Popkins became Bryant Intermediate.

And then, of course, the "Groveton High" on Quander became West Potomac in 1985, as the result of Fort Hunt closing/merging with Groveton.

Make sense?

Old Groveton High moved to and became West Potomac about 1978.. But You were Close. After It moved From Groveton that was the end of the Groveton name.. Right Mr Ford..??

And The Original Groveton Building was Walt Whitman.. The Orginal What it is Middle school next to Sherwood Lib was Steven Foster.. The Old Mt Vernon became The New Mt Vernon..What the Hell was its name now ?? I Say Bryant but I may have Whitman and Bryant crossed.. OH Hell Its like A Shell Game..LOL

DAJAX Me Thinks. Bryant Jr High is now where West Potomac is..And Whitman is long gone as it became the Saudi Academy ..ISA?? and where it was is now Mt Vernon HS.the "New One" LOL In 1975 or so..76..LOL.. Whitman..was where it is now.. Ask Chuck Robb..Former Va Gov.. and US Senator.. he went to the Old Mt Vernon HS..

I seem to remember an MC bombing a shop in Manassas back in the 80's. Anyone else?

No Pal.. I Mean..I Think..! LOL Wrote:
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> Old Groveton High moved to and became West Potomac
> about 1978.. But You were Close. After It moved
> From Groveton that was the end of the Groveton
> name.. Right Mr Ford..??
>
> And The Original Groveton Building was Walt
> Whitman.. The Orginal What it is Middle school
> next to Sherwood Lib was Steven Foster.. The Old
> Mt Vernon became The New Mt Vernon..What the Hell
> was its name now ?? I Say Bryant but I may have
> Whitman and Bryant crossed.. OH Hell Its like A
> Shell Game..LOL
>
> DAJAX Me Thinks. Bryant Jr High is now where West
> Potomac is..And Whitman is long gone as it became
> the Saudi Academy ..ISA?? and where it was is now
> Mt Vernon HS.the "New One" LOL In 1975 or
> so..76..LOL.. Whitman..was where it is now.. Ask
> Chuck Robb..Former Va Gov.. and US Senator.. he
> went to the Old Mt Vernon HS..


The last graduating classes for both Groveton High and Fort Hunt were 1985.

West Potomac opened in the fall of 1985, taking over for recently closed Groveton and Fort Hunt.

The actually didn't close Groveton in 1985 they just renamed it which doesn't make sense. One would think that the name would have stayed Groveton. Maybe pressure from the Ft Hunt community?

nova78 Wrote:
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> The actually didn't close Groveton in 1985 they
> just renamed it which doesn't make sense. One
> would think that the name would have stayed
> Groveton. Maybe pressure from the Ft Hunt
> community?


Yes, as I recall, it was contentious between Groveton and the neighboring Fort Hunt community, and both sides lobbied heavily in the Spring of 85 to keep "their" school open...and, as I recall, at one time, it looked like Fort Hunt was going to stay open, and Groveton would be closed. But, alas, Fort Hunt closed, and "Groveton" remained open.

I suppose the reason to rename the new school was in part as a result of the bad blood between these communities during the process, and "West Potomac" represented a new start.

Back in the day, Fort Hunt was one of the better high schools in the country.

Even though it was fairly small (hence the closing) it sent more graduates to West Point than any other school (at one point), and regularly competed for states in football, and had top notch sports otherwise.

There was a slight issue with a fire in the late '70's, though...

IN the late 90's a construction crew recovered the remains of an army man who went missing in 1967 in downtown DC, demolishing an old pool hall, Allen Lee Adams.

They found his dog tags and wallet and a few bones in the upstairs of the building.

Thanks for connecting the dots.

phelpsmarc Wrote:
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> The Strangeness of the Night Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As the DC Snipers kept on, it became scary to
> be
> > in some places. I remember coming out of
> Wakefield
> > Rec center. It was dusk and I thought the
> nearby
> > woods were a place the snipers could hide. I hi
> > tailed it to my car and saw kids just standing
> by
> > the main doors like nothing was up. I wanted to
> > yell at them to either get inside or get out to
> > their car.
> >
> > And the Texaco or Shell as it became on Rt 236
> > next to the 7-11 at Prosperity had the big blue
> > tarp up over the gas pump area and got on
> National
> > TV and I was glad they had that tarp up..
>
> That was a nerve wracking few weeks.
>
> I took the 29 G Bus to the Pentagon Metro stop
> every day and got on the bus at the bus stop on
> 236 across from the Exxon and the Annandale
> Bowling Alley.
>
> Instead of waiting at the bus stop I sat about 45
> ft back on the porch of an old house, which was an
> Office Supply Store at the time, but is now a Car
> Title Loan place. When the bus arrived, I sprinted
> from the porch to the bus. I wasn't taking any
> chances standing around at the bus stop.

Remember when the entire country was a “no fly zone”? That was weird. The silent sky was eerie

Does anyone remember when the Manassas Line for the VRE first opened, and they allowed free rides on the first day? I remember embarking on the train from the Burke Center station.

causeican Wrote:
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> phelpsmarc Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Strangeness of the Night Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > As the DC Snipers kept on, it became scary to
> > be
> > > in some places. I remember coming out of
> > Wakefield
> > > Rec center. It was dusk and I thought the
> > nearby
> > > woods were a place the snipers could hide. I
> hi
> > > tailed it to my car and saw kids just
> standing
> > by
> > > the main doors like nothing was up. I wanted
> to
> > > yell at them to either get inside or get out
> to
> > > their car.
> > >
> > > And the Texaco or Shell as it became on Rt
> 236
> > > next to the 7-11 at Prosperity had the big
> blue
> > > tarp up over the gas pump area and got on
> > National
> > > TV and I was glad they had that tarp up..
> >
> > That was a nerve wracking few weeks.
> >
> > I took the 29 G Bus to the Pentagon Metro stop
> > every day and got on the bus at the bus stop on
> > 236 across from the Exxon and the Annandale
> > Bowling Alley.
> >
> > Instead of waiting at the bus stop I sat about
> 45
> > ft back on the porch of an old house, which was
> an
> > Office Supply Store at the time, but is now a
> Car
> > Title Loan place. When the bus arrived, I
> sprinted
> > from the porch to the bus. I wasn't taking any
> > chances standing around at the bus stop.
>
> Remember when the entire country was a “no fly
> zone”? That was weird. The silent sky was eerie

Yep.

I remember standing on my porch, watching two F-15's in trail behind what looked like a giant passenger plane...one slowly flew up behind it and hung there for about a minute.

It was refueling...right over the beltway.

This was 3 or 4 days after 9/11

I remember Steve Winwood filming the 'Back in the High Life Again' music video at Manassas train station. There's a youtube of it, just don't have the capability to link right now.

Hysterical Historian. Wrote:
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> Roadrunner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That was a long time ago.....I went to school
> with
> > Billy viscidi (Luther Jackson) what I remember
> was
> > he was hit by a car a few weeks before he died,
> > then something happened in his home with his
> > brother who buried him instead of calling an
> > ambulance.
>
> 12-year-old Billy Viscidi was killed in his home
> at 503 Princeton Terrace SW in Vienna by his
> 15-year-old brother Larry when Larry struck Billy
> with a 5 pound onyx elephant on July 25, 1978.
>
> Knowing exactly how much trouble he was going to
> get in when his parents got home and discovered
> he'd killed his brother, Larry put Billy's body
> into a yellow trash bag and buried him in the back
> yard. After an extensive search, neighbors finally
> found Billy's corpse on August 12. Larry was
> arrested for murder on September 13, although by
> the time of his trial the charge had been reduced
> to involuntary manslaughter.
>
> Because Larry had an excellent lawyer in Louis
> Koutoulakos, the charge of involuntary
> manslaughter filed against him was dismissed after
> a 5 1/2 hour bench trial before Judge Arnold B.
> Kassabian on January 19, 1979.
>
> Larry's nearly 50 and lives in New Jersey now, and
> only he knows how culpable he actually was in the
> death of his brother.

I believe that attorney was the same that represented one (or more) of the fellers that were invloved in Ft Hunt fire??

Does anyone remember when the Wendys off of Burke Center Parkway caught fire after it was struck my lighting?

Multiple car crash in Annandale/Falls Church early 80's, involving multiple teens/early 20's people.

Mix up at hospital, one family who was told daughter died in crash found out she lived...unfortunately, that meant family who was told daughter lived in crash, was actually dead...mix up discovered after a week or two...

Sooo sad...

I remember the freezing rain we got one day in February 2008 and a lot of people got stuck for hours on end in the Springfield mixing bowl. We had enough sense not to go that way, but a guy in my office said they were stuck on one of the bridges for over four hours.

This wasn't too long ago, but back in 2011 when Ttopical Storm Lee came through, a dude went tubing on a flooded Fairfax Blvd. Here is the video of it:

https://youtu.be/GQsJWcQz4i8

Crash in Annandale Wrote:
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> Multiple car crash in Annandale/Falls Church early
> 80's, involving multiple teens/early 20's people.
>
> Mix up at hospital, one family who was told
> daughter died in crash found out she
> lived...unfortunately, that meant family who was
> told daughter lived in crash, was actually
> dead...mix up discovered after a week or two...
>
> Sooo sad...

Edited from http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2217838/2219494.html

On November 9, 1980, 19-year-old Jonathan P. Reinemer drunkenly crashed his 1974 Nova into a Mazda driven by 22-year-old Lawrence O'Brien on Annandale Road in front of the now-demolished Walnut Hill mansion.

Reinemer fatally injured the three passengers in his car, 18-year-olds Alana J. Klingebiel and Wallace Simpson, Jr. and 17-year-old Deborah L. Rodgers, as well as the driver of the other car, O'Brien.

O'Brien's fiance, 22-year-old Cathy Storey, suffered such severe facial injuries in the crash that she was unrecognizable, and was confused with Alana Klingebiel, who had in fact died on the operating table at Fairfax Hospital.

It wasn't until after Klingebiel's body had been cremated by the Storey family with the intention of burying the remains with those of Larry O'Brien that Cathy woke up, and the fact that the two women's identities had been confused became apparent.

Additionally, 49-year-old Fred Thorp got a phone call at about 6:30 AM the morning of the crash to come down to Fairfax Hospital. He positively identified one of the two female victims as his daughter Janet. When he got home at 8:00 AM Fred told his wife their daughter was dead, but about a half-hour later he found out that his daughter was still alive and had nothing at all to do with the accident. The mis-identification had occurred because 21-year-old Michael Bacon, a passenger in O'brien's car, had suffered a severe concussion and deliriously mentioned Janet Thorp's name.

Reinemer was so drunk up that a blood test taken six hours after the crash showed his blood alcohol content was still .12%. Testimony at his trial estimated his BAC was between .18% and .22% at the time of the accident.

Jonathan P. Reinemer was convicted of four counts of involuntary manslaughter on April 14, 1981, and sentenced on May 4 to 12 years in prison- three years for each of the people he killed- with 10 years suspended.

More Tropical Storm Lee flooding in Springfield, near Hunter Village Drive and Old Keene Mill Road, from 2011:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO7WhFapzXU

Flooding from Tropical Storm Hanna at Bryon Avenue Park in Springfield from 2008:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j__xR6tkOJ0

I remember back in the mid-late 70s being at the airport park about dusk when people were pulling out their small fishing boats and one of them was filled with one giant catfish and a bunch of smaller catfish which were big themselves but next to this thing, looked puny. This one giant catfish must have been 6-8 feet long and 3-4 ft wide. I swear! It filled the boat. They were towing it in. Nobody in the boat but the fish.

Remember when the fryer at Arthur Treacher's went down for 2 hours? There were no fish and chips and Fairfax almost rioted. It was terrible.

In the fall of 1985, when I first moved to Northern Va., a beautiful young mother whose first name was"Angel" (I don't recall the surname) was killed in her station wagon when a small plane made an emergency landing on the road on which she was driving at the time. The plane's wing sheared the top off of Angel's vehicle as she was driving, and she was killed instantly. There was a photo of the station wagon with its sheared-off top lying on the ground, on the front page of the Washington Post the next day. That photo appeared with a beautiful smiling photo of the young woman who died.

Some days later it was revealed that Angel's diamond engagement ring had been stolen off her hand, evidently in the mortuary. A short while later (no doubt feeling pangs of conscience) the thief mailed the ring back to Angel's husband.

Have there ever been any train derailments in the county?

Does anyone remember the road rage incident on Georgetown Pike when 2 pissed off guys were racing each other and had a horrific accident? An axle went airborne into the windshield of a woman on her way to work. The 2 men and she were all killed. I think it was early '00's.

Mesh Wrote:
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> Does anyone remember the road rage incident on
> Georgetown Pike when 2 pissed off guys were racing
> each other and had a horrific accident? An axle
> went airborne into the windshield of a woman on
> her way to work. The 2 men and she were all
> killed. I think it was early '00's.

I think this was on the George Washington Parkway, started near the airport and headed west (north?) bound. The accident happened near Sprout Run.

I think two innocents died that were in traffic heading the opposite direction and one of the road ragers lived. Not sure on the sentence he received.

haywire Wrote:
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> In the fall of 1985, when I first moved to
> Northern Va., a beautiful young mother whose first
> name was"Angel" (I don't recall the surname) was
> killed in her station wagon when a small plane
> made an emergency landing on the road on which she
> was driving at the time. The plane's wing sheared
> the top off of Angel's vehicle as she was driving,
> and she was killed instantly. There was a photo
> of the station wagon with its sheared-off top
> lying on the ground, on the front page of the
> Washington Post the next day. That photo appeared
> with a beautiful smiling photo of the young woman
> who died.
>
> Some days later it was revealed that Angel's
> diamond engagement ring had been stolen off her
> hand, evidently in the mortuary. A short while
> later (no doubt feeling pangs of conscience) the
> thief mailed the ring back to Angel's husband.


What was the funeral home(name) that did that?

Joke Insurance Wrote:
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> Have there ever been any train derailments in the
> county?

There were lots of derailments in the 19th and early 20th centuries. The siding at Ravensworth, which is now within Lake Accotink park, was a favorite for wanna-be train robbers.

In January 1947, a train derailed in Burke and a flying rail decapitated 18-year-old Elizabeth Breeden.

In January 1970, the Gulf Coast Special derailed on the R. F. & P. line near the Franconia-Alexandria border, sending cars plunging down the 60-foot embankment and killing three women.

What ever happened to that story about the Russians spy network that were found in McLean? I actually worked in the building where Level 3 was located at the time. The Russians had setup shop there as some kind of business and then tried to get into the property management office to steal keys or something, when they tried that they were caught.

What a bunch of asshole's, the poor nerd drove up to our house the day before on October 9th, 1974 because he wanted to fight he knew what he was going to do he gunned my brother down like an animal in the street, he shot him in the back while he was running away from him running for his life yeah he was a real badass, you should really learn your facts before you speak and his brothers name was Bobby not Alvin, Alan Shelor was shot dead by Robert Jewell October 10th 1974, he was my brother.

Sister to the badass Wrote:
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> What a bunch of asshole's, the poor nerd drove up
> to our house the day before on October 9th, 1974
> because he wanted to fight he knew what he was
> going to do he gunned my brother down like an
> animal in the street, he shot him in the back
> while he was running away from him running for his
> life yeah he was a real badass, you should really
> learn your facts before you speak and his brothers
> name was Bobby not Alvin, Alan Shelor was shot
> dead by Robert Jewell October 10th 1974, he was my
> brother.

While it sounds like you may have a compelling story, your lack of punctuation and citation makes it extremely difficult to understand what the fuck you are talking about.

Who was that girl who died on Rebel Run road, behind Fairfax high school, sometime in the mid '90s? I recall she was riding in a car with her head sticking out, when the driver lost control and went into the woods around the bend. Think they were going to the Denny's (that later became the Korean BBQ place), or leaving it. Ina, something like that?

Looking for pictures or info on the ghetto townhouse community in Fairfax that burned completely to the ground and is now rebuilt as mcmansion townhouses. Intersection of Judicial Drive & Main Street. Anyone remember this place?

Grampa Wrote:
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> Looking for pictures or info on the ghetto
> townhouse community in Fairfax that burned
> completely to the ground and is now rebuilt as
> mcmansion townhouses. Intersection of Judicial
> Drive & Main Street. Anyone remember this place?


Must be fun to host a dinner party living there. There is no fucking parking. Tell your guests to park up the road and walk in??? Ridiculous.

this is not widely known, unless you wmet to FCHS in the mid 70's and you might not have head about even if you did. So, in my shop class there was this Spanish looking guy, long hair, lanky. Don't really hang out with any of the established cliques. far as I could tell, not even the nerds. But he almost always had this damn giant ass sketchbook. Anyways. This one day in shop, I don't know how it started but he got the wrong attention from a couple of guys you don't want attention from. They were making all the usual threats and promises of pending ass kicking and all the while this kids just sorta of smiling, laid back and chill. He reaches over takes an almost empty coke bottle from another kid and say. "Okay. Come on outside." And walks out the garage door.

you now the meta poles filled with cement they put next doors as guards or whatever? Yeah well the ones next to the bay door weren't completely full. He wakes up to it and put the coke bottle in the top where it went in about 3 or for inches. by this time everyone in my class had come outside, even teacher, to see how bad this guy was gonna get stomped. He looked at the two guys that were setting to beat the shit outta him and said- not a damn word. He just snapped his hand out and the whole top of the fucking bottle just went flying. The top-of-a fucking-1970's-coke-bottle man!!! he looked at the two for a sec, still had that dip shit smirk on his face, turned around and went back to his seat. yeah. Far as I know, no one ever so much as said boo to him the for the new time four years.

Turns out be basically lived at that karate school up in falls church city. Used to be next to the arcade- flipper something. But still. Coke nitrile man. And way before that karate kid shit came out. Man, which I could remember his name. Sounded Italian or Spanish. Anyone know what I'm taking about or is this place full of Woodson / FFXHS punks?

So I think that counts as weird.

Grampa Wrote:
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> Looking for pictures or info on the ghetto
> townhouse community in Fairfax that burned
> completely to the ground and is now rebuilt as
> mcmansion townhouses. Intersection of Judicial
> Drive & Main Street. Anyone remember this place?

1972
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Thanks! Surprising I can't find anything on the web about them. Think they burned late '90s?

LOL about the dinner party comment!

In response to Grampa about the ghetto "townhouse" community in City of Fairfax, I remember a very small cluster of tiny, aluminum-clad houses that were "modern" and built in the 1950s. Is this what you remember, too? There were only a few left when I last saw these around 1993. Maybe two bedroom houses. I'm gonna do some sleuthing, but these houses were experimental and went up in many suburbs to address nationwide housing shortages.

Ok, so I think these were prefab metal houses, similar to Lustron homes. Same era. Don't think they were actually Lustron brand because very few were sold and most all are documented and tracked as they were destroyed over the years.

Ghetto Fx Wrote:
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> Ok, so I think these were prefab metal houses,
> similar to Lustron homes. Same era. Don't think
> they were actually Lustron brand because very few
> were sold and most all are documented and tracked
> as they were destroyed over the years.


There are a couple of those houses here:
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Nothing too weird about the past few posts of this thread.
I think we're getting into the realm of Old Pictures Of Fairfax.

CedarRidgeBITD Wrote:
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> I recall Monica Roman who was killed by her
> brother, but it was in the late 80's. We were in
> the same grade and went to school together. That
> was a terrible shock for all of Langston Hughes
> intermediate/middle school. Also during those
> short 2 years, there was a huge sit in by the
> students and around that same time, I THINK even
> the same day there was a student who had come to
> school with a gun and had secretly threatened to
> kill all the black students. Someone turned him
> in before anything crazy happened, but its amazing
> how LITTLE schools communicated with parents about
> major events back then. I also recall earlier in
> Cedar Ridge the murder of a friends mother, their
> last name was Beale. It was a terrible walking
> outside to check the weather and get a little
> fresh air to only be greeted by crowds, flashing
> lights, and then look downstairs and see my
> friends mother with a butcher knife in her chest,
> a trail of blood, and paramedics working
> frantically to try to save her life. Also at
> Cedar Ridge during the early days of Domino's
> pizza, my elementary school best friend's mother
> actually robbed the delivery guy right at her
> front door.....hmmmm. Needless to say there was
> definitely something not quite right, and that was
> proven when her mother and her boyfriend were
> later arrested because the mother was allowing her
> 42 year old boyfriend to rape he bilogical
> daugther right in front of her...The whole sex
> offenders listings were not in place back then,
> and sadly I cant locate what ever happened to the
> mother and the boyfriend after prison. Janet
> Listou and Stanley Moore...I think they were
> basically "grandfathered" in with not being posted
> as sex offenders, but then again, maybe they
> departed this world and never needed to be
> posted...either way, disgusting people that if
> they havent already, will meet their makers who
> will judge them appropriately. Rapes, drugs
> eventually took over Cedar Ridge....hey, does
> anyone remember the "Jump Outs!!" or ever got
> caught in one? What about Mister Ford and the
> candy truck, or the crab apple trees which are so
> sadly not there anymore. I went to visit to share
> a piece of my past with a family member, and they
> were all gone. that made me kinda sad...I dont
> know anywhere else to find crabapple trees. As
> kids, we would have crabapple fights after school.
> I even recall a couple that had baby tigers
> living in the apartments temporarily that I got to
> pet. The black path that used to lead to Giant
> Food, 711, Hallmark, and a cool pet shop (all gone
> now), and the opposite side of the path that lead
> to uplands swimming pool where they would
> sometimes have outdoor movie nights. Then there
> was "Mount Reston" the big hill ad the end of the
> developement that has the garden and church there.
> I recall being in a huge snowsuit until it got
> dark sleding down the tallest side, and one time
> trying to sled down the shorter side to get to the
> bottom quicker only to slide right into the stream
> and have to run home almost suffering frostbite!
> So many more memories, mostly bad though sadly,
> glad we were able to eventually get the heck out
> of that crazy place. I was even raped twice as a
> child there, not happy memories. Once by friend's
> cousin and then later by the same man that raped
> my friend. I learned that the pharmacy store at
> Lake Anne has closed down sadly, that was a great
> childhood memory and I remember Sweet Tooth that
> used to be there with a few awesome games. Here's
> to life!


Do you remember the spanish girl that was killed by her boyfriend around '92? She went to South Lakes, he snuck into her townhouse while her parents where out and stabbed her dozens of times. I can't remember her name or find any info about it. I'm pretty sure her family was illegal and they left after that.

Jags! Wrote:
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> this is not widely known, unless you wmet to FCHS
> in the mid 70's and you might not have head about
> even if you did. So, in my shop class there was
> this Spanish looking guy, long hair, lanky. Don't
> really hang out with any of the established
> cliques. far as I could tell, not even the nerds.
> But he almost always had this damn giant ass
> sketchbook. Anyways. This one day in shop, I don't
> know how it started but he got the wrong attention
> from a couple of guys you don't want attention
> from. They were making all the usual threats and
> promises of pending ass kicking and all the while
> this kids just sorta of smiling, laid back and
> chill. He reaches over takes an almost empty coke
> bottle from another kid and say. "Okay. Come on
> outside." And walks out the garage door.
>
> you now the meta poles filled with cement they put
> next doors as guards or whatever? Yeah well the
> ones next to the bay door weren't completely full.
> He wakes up to it and put the coke bottle in the
> top where it went in about 3 or for inches. by
> this time everyone in my class had come outside,
> even teacher, to see how bad this guy was gonna
> get stomped. He looked at the two guys that were
> setting to beat the shit outta him and said- not a
> damn word. He just snapped his hand out and the
> whole top of the fucking bottle just went flying.
> The top-of-a fucking-1970's-coke-bottle man!!! he
> looked at the two for a sec, still had that dip
> shit smirk on his face, turned around and went
> back to his seat. yeah. Far as I know, no one ever
> so much as said boo to him the for the new time
> four years.
>
> Turns out be basically lived at that karate school
> up in falls church city. Used to be next to the
> arcade- flipper something. But still. Coke nitrile
> man. And way before that karate kid shit came out.
> Man, which I could remember his name. Sounded
> Italian or Spanish. Anyone know what I'm taking
> about or is this place full of Woodson / FFXHS
> punks?
>
> So I think that counts as weird.

Yeah, I went to FCHS in the mid 70s, and I never heard of what you are talking about. On the other hand, your post is so incoherent that I am not even sure what you are saying happened.

At one time in the US, and in Fairfax, the highest high school aged population was in 1976-1977.

It would take another 30 years for high school aged population to reach that level again...

FCHS76 Wrote:
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> Jags! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > this is not widely known, unless you wmet to
> FCHS
> > in the mid 70's and you might not have head
> about
> > even if you did. So, in my shop class there was
> > this Spanish looking guy, long hair, lanky.
> blah, blah, blah.................
>
> Yeah, I went to FCHS in the mid 70s, and I never
> heard of what you are talking about. On the other
> hand, your post is so incoherent that I am not
> even sure what you are saying happened.

I started in the fall of '78, but had an older brother and sister that would have been there at the time that you describe. And my brother, who likes to talk alot, took auto shop class at the time. He would have talked relentlessly about it.
I took metal shop when I was there, but the teacher (who had been there for years) wouldn't have come outside to watch "him get stomped". That's not even a term that we used back then.
So, I agree with FCHS76. And I will add, that I honestly hope that you didn't go to Falls Church High School then. Because, after that hard to read post, I think that some of the English teachers would be coming after you.

David in FC Wrote:
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> FCHS76 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jags! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > this is not widely known, unless you wmet to
> > FCHS
> > > in the mid 70's and you might not have head
> > about
> > > even if you did. So, in my shop class there
> was
> > > this Spanish looking guy, long hair, lanky.
> > blah, blah, blah.................
> >
> > Yeah, I went to FCHS in the mid 70s, and I
> never
> > heard of what you are talking about. On the
> other
> > hand, your post is so incoherent that I am not
> > even sure what you are saying happened.
>
> I started in the fall of '78, but had an older
> brother and sister that would have been there at
> the time that you describe. And my brother, who
> likes to talk alot, took auto shop class at the
> time. He would have talked relentlessly about it.
>
> I took metal shop when I was there, but the
> teacher (who had been there for years) wouldn't
> have come outside to watch "him get stomped".
> That's not even a term that we used back then.
> So, I agree with FCHS76. And I will add, that I
> honestly hope that you didn't go to Falls Church
> High School then. Because, after that hard to read
> post, I think that some of the English teachers
> would be coming after you.

I came to ask if anyone recalled whether it was Pine Springs or Timber Lane that had it's roof torn off in a tornado, saw mention of FCHS, and ended up with a migraine. All I can add is that the arcade had to be "Flipper McGee's" (my home away from) making the karate school the old Oriental Sports Academy.

Pruitt was the man! Wrote:
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> David in FC
>
> I came to ask if anyone recalled whether it was
> Pine Springs or Timber Lane that had it's roof
> torn off in a tornado, saw mention of FCHS, and
> ended up with a migraine. All I can add is that
> the arcade had to be "Flipper McGee's" (my home
> away from) making the karate school the old
> Oriental Sports Academy.

I still remember the day of that tornado. I still remember having to run down into the basement of our house, with the trees bending so much, and the sky having the greenish color that it did.
It didn't do any damage to Timber Lane school, as I recall, but it do some damage to Pine Springs.
The National Memorial Park, which we always used to call King David Cemetery, was in the direct path of the tornado.
The tornado was also in the direct path of the house where I used to live. I can still remember, afterward, seeing the path of the torn up grass winding through the cemetery, heading straight toward where I lived at the time. It had destroyed the old wooden bell tower that had stood there for however many years. I remember it lay in splinters across the ground.
Maybe because we were on a hill, or for whatever reason, it pulled up, and then set down again where the Giant Food store is on Broad St. and took off the roof of the apartments just behind the store.
There was quite a bit of damage done to that location. I still remember seeing it on the local news.
But then it finally dissipated after that.

Those were some of the worst years in FCPS history for school Vandalism..

Smoking Courts Huh !! ..Ragged bell bottom ..Boot crowd..LOL..Sneaking a Reefer?? Amidst. ..The Marlboros..!! LOL

DAJAX Who Made Those tan boots, with the side buckle belt that were so popular with the ..Ragged..Bell Bottom..Long Haired..POT Smokes...FRYE..Ya That's the ones..You..Look A Like "Early..Parrots"..Had....LOL!! Mine were..Lu-cheese.. Don't ask how much..Ya Could not afford um..!! Ya..I got um from a .."Toms" Vending machine" ..!!

Ya These were the ones with the rings on the side..Good for Stompin holes in the walls..doors..faces..LOL.. Putting out Cigs..Reefers..

FRYE Boots..Right You..Young Punks.LOL

DAJAX..Way Too UNCOOL..To be allowed in the Truckers Stop..back then..
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Total BS on this post. I was there. Never happened.

this is not widely known, unless you wmet to FCHS in the mid 70's and you might not have head about even if you did. So, in my shop class there was this Spanish looking guy, long hair, lanky. Don't really hang out with any of the established cliques. far as I could tell, not even the nerds. But he almost always had this damn giant ass sketchbook. Anyways. This one day in shop, I don't know how it started but he got the wrong attention from a couple of guys you don't want attention from. They were making all the usual threats and promises of pending ass kicking and all the while this kids just sorta of smiling, laid back and chill. He reaches over takes an almost empty coke bottle from another kid and say. "Okay. Come on outside." And walks out the garage door.

you now the meta poles filled with cement they put next doors as guards or whatever? Yeah well the ones next to the bay door weren't completely full. He wakes up to it and put the coke bottle in the top where it went in about 3 or for inches. by this time everyone in my class had come outside, even teacher, to see how bad this guy was gonna get stomped. He looked at the two guys that were setting to beat the shit outta him and said- not a damn word. He just snapped his hand out and the whole top of the fucking bottle just went flying. The top-of-a fucking-1970's-coke-bottle man!!! he looked at the two for a sec, still had that dip shit smirk on his face, turned around and went back to his seat. yeah. Far as I know, no one ever so much as said boo to him the for the new time four years.

Turns out be basically lived at that karate school up in falls church city. Used to be next to the arcade- flipper something. But still. Coke nitrile man. And way before that karate kid shit came out. Man, which I could remember his name. Sounded Italian or Spanish. Anyone know what I'm taking about or is this place full of Woodson / FFXHS punks?

So I t

David in FC Wrote:
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> Pruitt was the man! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > David in FC
> >
> > I came to ask if anyone recalled whether it was
> > Pine Springs or Timber Lane that had it's roof
> > torn off in a tornado...
>
> I still remember the day of that tornado. I still
> remember having to run down into the basement of
> our house, with the trees bending so much, and the
> sky having the greenish color that it did.
> It didn't do any damage to Timber Lane school, as
> I recall, but it do some damage to Pine Springs.
> The National Memorial Park, which we always used
> to call King David Cemetery, was in the direct
> path of the tornado.
> The tornado was also in the direct path of the
> house where I used to live. I can still remember,
> afterward, seeing the path of the torn up grass
> winding through the cemetery, heading straight
> toward where I lived at the time. It had destroyed
> the old wooden bell tower that had stood there for
> however many years. I remember it lay in splinters
> across the ground.
> Maybe because we were on a hill, or for whatever
> reason, it pulled up, and then set down again
> where the Giant Food store is on Broad St. and
> took off the roof of the apartments just behind
> the store.
> There was quite a bit of damage done to that
> location. I still remember seeing it on the local
> news.
> But then it finally dissipated after that.

I'm sorry, but that! is a changing of the undershorts causing event. Glad you made it!

All this, and the pseudo school theme, dredged up couple of things; Was anyone around at J.G. Whittier when
1. a guy named Bo(?) beat up one of the dumpsters.
2. A wood shop teacher cut off his thumb with a bandsaw?

and, did someone really break into Stuart (possibly run a car through the doors) and steal swords from a display?

I thought it was the Wilson Bridge, but could have been another crazy.....

class o' 77's Wrote:
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> At one time in the US, and in Fairfax, the highest
> high school aged population was in 1976-1977.
>
> It would take another 30 years for high school
> aged population to reach that level again...


My brothers graduating class was 2,000 students in 1980. When I got to the same school in 1985 the entire school was less than 2,000 students. We got to park in a parking lot that had been filled with portable classrooms when he was there.

It was June 1975 just after my 6th grade graduation at Hunt Valley Elementary. He was my band teacher in grades 4, 5, and 6. His wife was killed in the crash and their daughter a few days later. Mr. Velke, the orchestra director, wrote a piece, "Little Tom", for the school band at Washington Irving that we played the next year, which was dedicated to him. I remember liking him very much, as did most students. He was someone that had a positive influence on so many of us. I still think of him often as well.

Marc Ritchie Wrote:
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> It was June 1975 just after my 6th grade
> graduation at Hunt Valley Elementary. He was my
> band teacher in grades 4, 5, and 6. His wife was
> killed in the crash and their daughter a few days
> later. Mr. Velke, the orchestra director, wrote a
> piece, "Little Tom", for the school band at
> Washington Irving that we played the next year,
> which was dedicated to him. I remember liking him
> very much, as did most students. He was someone
> that had a positive influence on so many of us. I
> still think of him often as well.

Are you responding to a question and comment to posted a few pages back about Mr. Finkelstein? Thank you. I remember Mr. Fritz Velke. He always reminded me of Vincent Price.

fracturedfairfax Wrote:
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> There were lots of derailments in the 19th and
> early 20th centuries. The siding at Ravensworth,
> which is now within Lake Accotink park, was a
> favorite for wanna-be train robbers.
>
> In January 1947, a train derailed in Burke and a
> flying rail decapitated 18-year-old Elizabeth
> Breeden.
>
> In January 1970, the Gulf Coast Special derailed
> on the R. F. & P. line near the
> Franconia-Alexandria border, sending cars plunging
> down the 60-foot embankment and killing three
> women.

Here is what I found on the 1947 derailment:

Haseltine, N. S. "Flyer Jumps Track, Kills Girl, Hurts 6." The Washington Post (1923-1954): M1. ProQuest Historical Newspapers: The Washington Post (1877-1994). Jan 12 1947. Web. 11 Jan. 2012 - https://search.proquest.com/barcode?accountid=34227&groupid=72504

Here is what I found on the 1970 derailment:

"3 Killed in Train Accident." The Washington Post, Times Herald (1959-1973): 2. Jan 27 1970. ProQuest. Web. 21 Feb. 2017 - https://search.proquest.com/docview/147925559

Bredemeier, Kenneth, and Gordon Pettey. "Track Slippage Blamed." The Washington Post, Times Herald (1959-1973): 2. Jan 28 1970. ProQuest. Web. 21 Feb. 2017 - https://search.proquest.com/docview/147994131

Skyline Towers is in Baileys!

I lives a block west from the scene, I knew it happened but never heard anyone talking about it. Did he have any siblings? My mother said he was on drugs, but that was her reasoning for everything (or their gay). Why did he do it?

There was also some kid over bY Mantua pool who took something the went into a storm sewer and died, anyone remember any details on that one?

Eastwood Trooper Wrote:
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> class o' 77's Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > At one time in the US, and in Fairfax, the
> highest
> > high school aged population was in 1976-1977.
> >
> > It would take another 30 years for high school
> > aged population to reach that level again...
>
>
> My brothers graduating class was 2,000 students in
> 1980. When I got to the same school in 1985 the
> entire school was less than 2,000 students. We got
> to park in a parking lot that had been filled with
> portable classrooms when he was there.


Your brother was the last of the baby boomers.

I was in detention with Mark Tucker during his trial. I remember him being sentenced to a mental hospital. Beyond that IDK. He was a about 16 I think. I was 11.

Read through this entire thread and not one mention of the serial butt stabber with box cutter blade in Fairfax (Fair Oaks Mall and Greenbriar Shopping center).

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/633836.html

Sentenced to 7 years in prison

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Fairfax-County-Butt-Slasher-to-Be-Sentenced-Friday-222674431.html

My mom lives on Lake Barcroft and in 2016 it was the talk of the neighborhood a high school boy jumped off the pontoon boat and drowned. It took hours and hours to recover the body. Apparently the kids were drinking.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/va-high-school-football-player-drowns-in-lake-barcroft/65-274218645

I grew up in Cabell's Mill off Walney Rd. in Centreville and the year before my dad passed our neighbor's house literally burned to the ground. I was coming home late and when I entered my neighborhood the streets had smoke low to the ground and it smelled like fireworks or something. It was in June 2010 so I thought to myself, a little early to be blasting fireworks? Then I get to my street and cannot turn into the cul de sac as it was blocked by fire engines. So i park my car and start walking down my street with my Taco bell worrying that the fire might be my house! Well it was the neighbor's house and the next day Fox 5 News came and actually interviewed my Dad (Wisdom Martin!) ... apparently the youngest boy let smouldering firecrackers that he set off sit in a bucket on the porch. The family got their insurance company to totally rebuild the house... I always found it odd that the insurance company would cover such a thing... a young boy playing with fireworks...Those neighbors never liked us and up until a few years ago I could search Google and find my Dad's interview on DC Fox 5 website... can't find it anymore. Bummer.


Follow this link to the Centreville section...
https://www.fracturedfairfax.com/Death_Houses_in_Fairfax_County.html

6050 Raina Drive, Centreville, VA 20120 – Jill Woodyard was shot to death by her husband Wayne, who then committed suicide here.

I rented a townhouse off Raina Dr. for 5 years and heard the stories of a husband who murdered his wife then turned the gun on himself... that townhouse was an end unit 2 doors down from my rental. One night I am walking my pit bull and i notice a car just idling in front of that house and I didn't recognize it. The guy rolls the window down and tries to talk to me. I kept a little distance. He tells me his parents died there.... Creepy. The end unit death house was bought by a management company and always rented out...renters would not stay any longer in that house than a year, some would vacate at 6 months. The last tenants were young with a baby and they told me just before they moved out the management company refused to fix the bullet holes in the dry wall. Wtf?!

Was he finally deported? He was an illegal.

He was! But arrested again in Peru...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/suspected-va-serial-butt-slasher-johnny-d-guillen-arrested-in-peru-says-report/

Somewhere in Vienna a crazy son murdered his 2 parents. It was near someone’s large lot that grew herbs for sale.
Went to buy a bus to turn into a rev and the seller told me the story. Both parents were psychiatrists or something.

Lived behind wash irving and remember trying to walk from my house to cardinal forest giant.
From 395 allllllll the way to ffx co parkway was a thick sheet of ice.
Cars were sliding into the ditches near the hill on the Irving property where people sled in the winter time.
All the lanes were jammed that night.
I made it to carrleigh x OKM, before turning around as the sidewalks were fucked up JUST FOR WALKING.


Badeye Wrote:
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> I remember the freezing rain we got one day in
> February 2008 and a lot of people got stuck for
> hours on end in the Springfield mixing bowl. We
> had enough sense not to go that way, but a guy in
> my office said they were stuck on one of the
> bridges for over four hours.

I was in seventh grade and went to school with him. His picture is right above mine in the 1978 yearbook. I remember seeing him around school though we never acknowledged each other. :o(

I was in seventh grade and went to school with him. His picture is right above mine in the 1978 yearbook. I remember seeing him around school though we never acknowledged each other. :o(

Anyone go to Cardinal Forest Elementary School in Springfield VA in 1969? Then you would have heard about my abduction and molestation because my little brother told his class for show and tell the next day. By lunchtime everybody was talking about it, including staff and faculty. I was in 5th Grade, but my class was mixed with Sixth Graders.

I was abducted on a tributary of Accotink Creek by a teenage boy who grabbed me from behind. He forced me to go with him to a spot he had prepared with a bucket of rags smelling of gasoline sitting beside a shallow pit in which he forced me to sit. I have located this site on Google Earth, and it is on the slope between the Accotink and this tributary. He then blindfolded, gagged and bound me. Realizing he could not remove my turtleneck with my arms tied behind my back, he took out a pocket knife and cut my top off. I curled into a ball to hide my undeveloped chest.

The weirdest part of this terrorizing event followed. I fully expected to die in that pit. But my abductor sat down behind me with his feet in the it. We just sat and sat and sat. I couldn't tell what he was doing, but I could not hear anything going on like masturbation. My gag became so soaked with my nauseated saliva from the fumes, it started to sag out of my mouth. Terrified that that might anger him, I told him my gag was slipping. He pulled it tighter. Then we sat there some MORE. My gag began to slip again, and again I told him. Again he tightened it. By the third time, I found the courage to ask him if he was going to let me go.

He must have been waiting for someone. That's the only thing explaning why he did nothing for so long. I bet he and another had used this spot before to abuse kids they abducted in the woods. Those rags look like they had been used as bindings before. The sun was getting low. His buddy wasn't coming. He gave up waiting for him.

He told me not to follow him or he would kill me. I had to count loudly to 100 while he ran off so he could tell I wasn't. I had to untie myself and left my yellow knee socks behind as he'd used them to tie my bare feet together after taking off my shoes.

I followed the sun westward through the deep woods back toward my culdesac, Lorcum Court. Police were unwilling to follow me all the way back to the pit because it was getting dark; they gave up about a quarter mile from the spot. They took a description of my assailant. Sandy brown hair, glasses, average height for a 14 to 17 year old, average build, small private school sweatshirt.

Police returned to my home a few days later and showed me a Polaroid of a teenager wearing the same school's sweatshirt, but this boy had cut his sleeves off and he looked nothing like my assailant. His hair was too dark, his build was more muscular, and he looked really angry and mean. My assailant was weirder. He was at times almost polite in his request I stop crying. He wore penny loafers and an Oxford shirt under his sweatshirt like a preppy. Was this other kid my assailant's partner? Were they preying on other kids in the Accotink Creek watershed in the late 1960s, and early 1970s? Did they go on to commit even more heinous crimes?

Anyone here ever heard of this?

Was curious about whatever happened to Jonathan P Reinemer mentioned upthread and thought I might find a story of redemption and justice. It's anything but, I warn you. This murderous asshole apparently was not reformed, kept drinking and drugging and even sued and won his driving privileges back. So...read below

On August 22, 1991, the trial judge issued a bench warrant requiring Reinemer to show cause why the suspension of his sentences should not be revoked. The warrant alleged that on May 31, 1986, a Delaware court convicted Reinemer of speeding; on September 28, 1989, a New Jersey court convicted him of a drug possession charge; on November 13, 1990, a Fairfax court convicted him for driving while intoxicated on April 29, 1989; on October 18, 1990, a Fairfax court convicted him of driving while intoxicated on June 14, 1990; and on May 21, 1991, he was convicted for driving while intoxicated on October 31, 1990. The bench warrant alleged that on April 18, 1991, the Fairfax County Circuit Court adjudicated Reinemer an habitual offender, and that on August 17, 1991, police arrested him for driving after being declared an habitual offender.

How could this have happened?

I'll be back with an update


Edited from http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2217838/2219494.html

On November 9, 1980, 19-year-old Jonathan P. Reinemer drunkenly crashed his 1974 Nova into a Mazda driven by 22-year-old Lawrence O'Brien on Annandale Road in front of the now-demolished Walnut Hill mansion.

Reinemer fatally injured the three passengers in his car, 18-year-olds Alana J. Klingebiel and Wallace Simpson, Jr. and 17-year-old Deborah L. Rodgers, as well as the driver of the other car, O'Brien.

O'Brien's fiance, 22-year-old Cathy Storey, suffered such severe facial injuries in the crash that she was unrecognizable, and was confused with Alana Klingebiel, who had in fact died on the operating table at Fairfax Hospital.

It wasn't until after Klingebiel's body had been cremated by the Storey family with the intention of burying the remains with those of Larry O'Brien that Cathy woke up, and the fact that the two women's identities had been confused became apparent.

Additionally, 49-year-old Fred Thorp got a phone call at about 6:30 AM the morning of the crash to come down to Fairfax Hospital. He positively identified one of the two female victims as his daughter Janet. When he got home at 8:00 AM Fred told his wife their daughter was dead, but about a half-hour later he found out that his daughter was still alive and had nothing at all to do with the accident. The mis-identification had occurred because 21-year-old Michael Bacon, a passenger in O'brien's car, had suffered a severe concussion and deliriously mentioned Janet Thorp's name.

Reinemer was so drunk up that a blood test taken six hours after the crash showed his blood alcohol content was still .12%. Testimony at his trial estimated his BAC was between .18% and .22% at the time of the accident.

Jonathan P. Reinemer was convicted of four counts of involuntary manslaughter on April 14, 1981, and sentenced on May 4 to 12 years in prison- three years for each of the people he killed- with 10 years suspended.

Jonathan Paul Reinemer. With a name like that and the fact that you killed four adults and continued to drive, and became a repeat offender and drove on a revoked license, you never thought to change your name?

He left his crappy apartment in Woodbridge and moved to Montana about 5 years ago.

He is stupidly on Facebook and is the only Jonathan P. Reinemer born in 1961 in the US.

Please stay in Montana.

It figures, Democrats enjoy revolving door justice for votes from the ghettos , Nothing new to see here people

They were racing is what I heard at the time from the news , not from history books, not a single car accident at fault, but young people racing so what about the other guy huh ?? Racing or not ? If the other guys totally innocent say it

I remember NIGGERS

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I think Hanna was the storm that damaged ALLLLL the asphalt trails at accotink from the dam to the boat rental area!
Would walk my dogs down there daily and 4x10’ sections were in the creek down river from the damn!

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> They were racing is what I heard at the time from
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> the other guys totally innocent say it


Are you referencing the Jonathan P Reinemer crash? The second car was driven by Lawrence O’ Brien who died at the scene. His fiancée Cathy Storey survived. Reinemer was driving a Chevy Nova and OBrien a Mazda.

Going by old Washington Posts. I wasn’t driving in 1980.

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> They were racing is what I heard at the time from
> the news , not from history books, not a single
> car accident at fault, but young people racing so
> what about the other guy huh ?? Racing or not ? If
> the other guys totally innocent say it

Reinemer was racing another car, a red Chevelle, on northbound Annandale Road when he lost control of his blue Nova. He crossed the median strip and slammed broadside into Larry O'Brien's Mazda and the two cars rolled down the 12-foot embankment in front of Walnut Hill.

To be clear, Larry O'Brien wasn't racing anybody: he just had the immense bad luck to cross paths with someone who was, and it cost him everything.

What happened to him, if he was racing he was guilty also , I remember 3 killed the cars went down that hill the rest fog sorry to hear that the one innocent man was killed as well 4 total and his fiancé seriously injured.

I've always wondered too. His sister Patty was my best friend at the time. I heard relatives came and removed her and her younger sister. When the news broke, I was eating lunch and planning to meet her at the pool like I normally did in that summer.

I never heard from her again. And at the time, when I saw that on the news, I was like 11 years old and it totally floored me. I'd known her older brother Mark as one of the nicer old brothers of my friends. I was stunned. And at the time, things like that were so uncommon. It was on the front page of the WAPO for days, everything, even a diagram of the house. It's hard to describe how surreal it seemed.

As I was about a 6th grader planning to see her at the pool shortly after I'd eaten lunch, I was completely shocked. I never understood what happened really, just what came out at the trial which I guessed was the truth. He'd not "just shot" both his parents, but had shot his mother after she'd killed his father. That kind of made sense from what I'd seen of them. I guess that was true.

I remember seeing the guns mounted in boxes like they were decorative, above the living room couch, never imagining they really worked. Apparently, they did. And I never understood how someone who seemed like such a nice older brother, compared to other people's older brothers, could kill his parents. It was majorly traumatic to me and I can't imagine how traumatic it was for my best friend Patty and her younger sister who were apparently found hiding in a closet.

People back then didn't talk about abusive parents, but my mother said something well before the trial, about how she'd always felt the mom wasn't "right." People didn't judge other parents much in those days. I'd felt she wasn't the warmest, fuzziest mom, and the dad, who was rarely around, seemed like the "nice one." But I didn't know enough to guess something might be really wrong.

But, if I'd have had to guess who's older brother would do something terrible, Mark Tucker would have been the last one. It was all so confusing and horrific.

I remember that guy. We used to go hiking in that area and we would look at the bridge and talk about how he died. As I recall, he had figured out the height of the bridge, bought bungee cords that EQUALLED THE HEIGHT OF THE BRIDGE and died because of course the bungee cords didn't bounce back...he made it into the Darwin Awards.

I remember it very well, spring of '96. The two guys were racing each other and ended up killing a mother of three, ages 11, 6, and 3. Her husband quoted her as saying that the GW Parkway was her favorite part of her morning commute, so pretty and peaceful Two young men full of testosterone racing and killing a mom.

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Remember when Derek plugged this thing in the poop shoot and didnt call her back? Hahaha
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2020, here and Alfred is actually a local at thos thrift store called Unique in Falls Church, VA. Before i found out what he did, always noticed that guy had this odd temper. Kind of crazy that guy is walking around today free after what he did. But talking to him, he seems to be a normal guy.

Does anyone remember, i think it was late 80's maybe early 90's when a young kid, I think he was a student at the school, drove his motorcycle full speed in to the side of the gym at Hayfield HS?

Into the locker room at 90 mph during the early 90's . I think Groovy Ghoul had posted details check search on FXU and get us the whole dope, it had something to do with him wanting to join up with Evil Knievel by jumping over the school and he forgot the launch ramps

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19900503&id=ieQPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=zIsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4930,582613&hl=en

Its on page 6 of this thread the link posted by "Inquisitive" just about DAJAX's heartfelt post of his feeling's about the people who took care of this troubled young man who took his life