yes voter Wrote:
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> perth ct Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > left lane Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I like the meals tax idea and everyone in my
> > > neighborhood is in favor of it except for one
> > > really ignorant guy.
> >
> >
> > Let me guess, the ignorant guy is a republican.
> > Yes the meals tax is a great program that will
> > take some of the tax burden off of county
> > residents. Only an ignorant fool would vote
> > against it.
>
>
> Yes, the meals tax is a no lose situation.

You lose if you are elderly or disabled: https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/03/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-the-meals-tax-targets-the-elderly-and-disabled/.

The solution is to spend less. There are many examples of needless FCPS expenditures; FcPS, in fact, conducted a survey to identify potential cuts, and, for reasons unknown, they have decided to ignore the survey and are forging ahead by continuing to waste money.

Jim Teacher Wrote:
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> The meals tax is still our best option for
> revenue enhancement at this time.

Stop speaking in euphemisms. What you mean to say is that the meals tax is your best chance of getting a TAX INCREASE approved at this time. Revenues are already being enhanced by rising home values in the County.

yes voter Wrote:
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>
> Yes, the meals tax is a no lose situation.

Are you one of those who believes those "The more you buy the more you save" ads? The meals tax will result in Fairfax getting some revenue from those living elsewhere. How much is debatable. Even using the County's optimistic numbers you are still talking about FAIRFAX COUNTY RESIDENTS PAYING $2 MORE IN ADDITIONAL TAXES in order to capture $1 in tax revenue from nonresidents. More conservative numbers would be closer to 3:1 or less.

Posted by: sorry, that's not right ()
The solution is to spend less. There are many examples of needless FCPS expenditures; FcPS, in fact, conducted a survey to identify potential cuts, and, for reasons unknown, they have decided to ignore the survey and are forging ahead by continuing to waste money.

Agreed. One example, FCDOT pays its contractor MV Transit to run Fairfax Connector buses $104 per hour whether there are three people on the bus or 30. Many non-rush hour buses run with less than five passengers, and even a few rush hour ones, like the Connector 432 which picks up less than 35 people in all of its of rush hour runs AM and PM which the North Vienna/Tysons/Wolftrap neighborhoods did not want the bus anyway running through their backstreets. For those low ridership buses, it would be far cheaper to run Ubers or Lyfts, limiting payment to $10 (that buys five miles) or $15 per trip and pickups and dropoffs along major highways (not backstreet neighborhoods) and Metro stations only (not make the service too convenient where use would be abused).

sorry, that's not right Wrote:
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>
> The solution is to spend less. There are many
> examples of needless FCPS expenditures; FcPS, in
> fact, conducted a survey to identify potential
> cuts, and, for reasons unknown, they have decided
> to ignore the survey and are forging ahead by
> continuing to waste money.

There is no incentive to cut wasteful spending. FCPS knows all they need to do is come out with doom and gloom budget pleas and the Board of Supervisors will cave. The way the school system and county squanders money is absolutely insane.

Hey folks, leave the driving to us, okay? We are the teachers and we know what is or is not needed. Just support us by voting "YES" on the meals tax. Thank you!

school teacher Wrote:
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> Hey folks, leave the driving to us, okay? We are
> the teachers and we know what is or is not needed.
> Just support us by voting "YES" on the meals tax.
> Thank you!


That is a comforting thought. Next thing you are going to tell us is that the School Board knows what is best for our kids and will spend the additional funds on necessities.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> school teacher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey folks, leave the driving to us, okay? We
> are
> > the teachers and we know what is or is not
> needed.
> > Just support us by voting "YES" on the meals
> tax.
> > Thank you!
>
>
> That is a comforting thought. Next thing you are
> going to tell us is that the School Board knows
> what is best for our kids and will spend the
> additional funds on necessities.

Nardos King, formerly of FCPS and never known for making good decisions hired Menville "Flip" Flippen. Questionsable contracting arrangements, Flippen's high fees and the value of his program were the subject of a Grand Jury investigation: http://www.dailyrepublic.com/news/fairfield/response-to-grand-jury-report-about-consultant-will-go-to-fairfield-suisun-board/.

This is but one example of poor decision making by FCPS. Others would be Boosterthon, Eric Jensen, and the mindfulness initiative.

I was dismayed at Pat Hynes's recent post knocking Grevey's for protecting their business. By the wording in her post…"for all the good work the owner may have done..." shows she is totally aware of the Grevey Foundation and many of the endeavors it supports, for example....Fairfax County Public School students for the future by funding vital technology initiatives not provided for in the state or local education budget"

She may not like their sign but she should have kept her mouth shut. The BOS says one way to diversify our tax base is to bring in new business. So here we have Pat knocking an existing business who is already strongly supporting the public schools. Biting the hand that feeds you comes to mind.

Grevey's isn't alone, look at the websites for The Great American Restaurants, Glory days etc. They, along with the grocery stores, are the strongest supporters of the schools.

Go ahead Pat…keep driving them out. Whether the tax passes or not, if Grevey's abandoned their local school support in favor of another needy program, I wouldn't blame them.

How about fiscal responsibility and working within the budget you have?

RE:Pat Hynes Stupidity Wrote:
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> I was dismayed at Pat Hynes's recent post knocking
> Grevey's for protecting their business. By the
> wording in her post…"for all the good work the
> owner may have done..." shows she is totally aware
> of the Grevey Foundation and many of the endeavors
> it supports, for example....Fairfax County Public
> School students for the future by funding vital
> technology initiatives not provided for in the
> state or local education budget"
>
> She may not like their sign but she should have
> kept her mouth shut. The BOS says one way to
> diversify our tax base is to bring in new
> business. So here we have Pat knocking an existing
> business who is already strongly supporting the
> public schools. Biting the hand that feeds you
> comes to mind.
>
> Grevey's isn't alone, look at the websites for The
> Great American Restaurants, Glory days etc. They,
> along with the grocery stores, are the strongest
> supporters of the schools.
>
> Go ahead Pat…keep driving them out. Whether the
> tax passes or not, if Grevey's abandoned their
> local school support in favor of another needy
> program, I wouldn't blame them.
>
> How about fiscal responsibility and working within
> the budget you have?

One thing to remember about Pat Hynes and her liberal colleagues on the School Board. NOTHING gets in the way of fulfilling their activist agenda. The problem with this attitude is that it leads to conflicts with colleagues and constituents, poor decisions and wasteful spending.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> school teacher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey folks, leave the driving to us, okay? We
> are
> > the teachers and we know what is or is not
> needed.
> > Just support us by voting "YES" on the meals
> tax.
> > Thank you!
>
>
> That is a comforting thought. Next thing you are
> going to tell us is that the School Board knows
> what is best for our kids and will spend the
> additional funds on necessities.


That is what you pay us for. Again, leave the driving to us. If you don't like it move elsewhere or use a private school.

RE:Pat Hynes Stupidity Wrote:
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> I was dismayed at Pat Hynes's recent post knocking
> Grevey's for protecting their business. By the
> wording in her post…"for all the good work the
> owner may have done..." shows she is totally aware
> of the Grevey Foundation and many of the endeavors
> it supports, for example....Fairfax County Public
> School students for the future by funding vital
> technology initiatives not provided for in the
> state or local education budget"
>
> She may not like their sign but she should have
> kept her mouth shut. The BOS says one way to
> diversify our tax base is to bring in new
> business. So here we have Pat knocking an existing
> business who is already strongly supporting the
> public schools. Biting the hand that feeds you
> comes to mind.
>
> Grevey's isn't alone, look at the websites for The
> Great American Restaurants, Glory days etc. They,
> along with the grocery stores, are the strongest
> supporters of the schools.
>
> Go ahead Pat…keep driving them out. Whether the
> tax passes or not, if Grevey's abandoned their
> local school support in favor of another needy
> program, I wouldn't blame them.
>
> How about fiscal responsibility and working within
> the budget you have?


It is really scary that Pat Hynes and others are so convinced that spending money on a bunch of crap is 'for the kids' that they would risk putting people out of business over it. I'm kind of surprised that Fairfax County businesses have not mounted a stronger attack on this meals tax and on people like Hynes.

Hynes should spend a day waiting tables and looking at how people tip and think through the consequences of this tax for people just entering the workforce as well as all food service workers just struggling to get by. She would quite literally be taking food off of their table to pay for some useless consultant or finance yet another school board junket.

it is scary Wrote:
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> RE:Pat Hynes Stupidity Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was dismayed at Pat Hynes's recent post
> knocking
> > Grevey's for protecting their business. By
> the
> > wording in her post…"for all the good work
> the
> > owner may have done..." shows she is totally
> aware
> > of the Grevey Foundation and many of the
> endeavors
> > it supports, for example....Fairfax County
> Public
> > School students for the future by funding vital
> > technology initiatives not provided for in the
> > state or local education budget"
> >
> > She may not like their sign but she should have
> > kept her mouth shut. The BOS says one way to
> > diversify our tax base is to bring in new
> > business. So here we have Pat knocking an
> existing
> > business who is already strongly supporting the
> > public schools. Biting the hand that feeds you
> > comes to mind.
> >
> > Grevey's isn't alone, look at the websites for
> The
> > Great American Restaurants, Glory days etc.
> They,
> > along with the grocery stores, are the
> strongest
> > supporters of the schools.
> >
> > Go ahead Pat…keep driving them out. Whether
> the
> > tax passes or not, if Grevey's abandoned their
> > local school support in favor of another needy
> > program, I wouldn't blame them.
> >
> > How about fiscal responsibility and working
> within
> > the budget you have?
>
>
> It is really scary that Pat Hynes and others are
> so convinced that spending money on a bunch of
> crap is 'for the kids' that they would risk
> putting people out of business over it. I'm kind
> of surprised that Fairfax County businesses have
> not mounted a stronger attack on this meals tax
> and on people like Hynes.
>
> Hynes should spend a day waiting tables and
> looking at how people tip and think through the
> consequences of this tax for people just entering
> the workforce as well as all food service workers
> just struggling to get by. She would quite
> literally be taking food off of their table to pay
> for some useless consultant or finance yet another
> school board junket.


History has shown that tips actually go up after the meals tax takes effect. You are a ignorant fuck.

She was probably eating on our dime to boot, what an idiot. She says she isn't going to Grevey's anymore. I'm sure they were thinking don't let the door...

More Fairfax Businesses should be speaking up. It is totally unfair to pick out one sector. The promoters of this tax, would have one believing, that it's only costing those engaged in casual dining at an expensive restaurant and a third of them are from out of town. Prepared food is not a luxury for all, it is often a necessity. 7/11 reports nearly one-third of the more than 6 million people who stop by each day purchase immediately consumable food. I see the busy working parents throughout the day patronizing fast food establishments.

Why pick on one sector of business? Plenty of Nail shops from one end of the county to the other, that's a luxury, so let's tax them. A special tax on cell phones/electronics, that's a luxury, why not? Why not a toy tax? Pets are a luxury; why not an extra tax on all pet products? Prepared food is not a luxury, it's a necessity.

Superscary Wrote:
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> She was probably eating on our dime to boot, what
> an idiot. She says she isn't going to Grevey's
> anymore. I'm sure they were thinking don't let the
> door...
>
> More Fairfax Businesses should be speaking up. It
> is totally unfair to pick out one sector. The
> promoters of this tax, would have one believing,
> that it's only costing those engaged in casual
> dining at an expensive restaurant and a third of
> them are from out of town. Prepared food is not a
> luxury for all, it is often a necessity. 7/11
> reports nearly one-third of the more than 6
> million people who stop by each day purchase
> immediately consumable food. I see the busy
> working parents throughout the day patronizing
> fast food establishments.
>
> Why pick on one sector of business? Plenty of Nail
> shops from one end of the county to the other,
> that's a luxury, so let's tax them. A special tax
> on cell phones/electronics, that's a luxury, why
> not? Why not a toy tax? Pets are a luxury; why
> not an extra tax on all pet products? Prepared
> food is not a luxury, it's a necessity.


Fuck you. vote YES!

gt Wrote:

>
>
> Fuck you. vote YES!

Wow, great argument!

IF patrol Wrote:
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> it is scary Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > RE:Pat Hynes Stupidity Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I was dismayed at Pat Hynes's recent post
> > knocking
> > > Grevey's for protecting their business. By
> > the
> > > wording in her post…"for all the good work
> > the
> > > owner may have done..." shows she is totally
> > aware
> > > of the Grevey Foundation and many of the
> > endeavors
> > > it supports, for example....Fairfax County
> > Public
> > > School students for the future by funding
> vital
> > > technology initiatives not provided for in
> the
> > > state or local education budget"
> > >
> > > She may not like their sign but she should
> have
> > > kept her mouth shut. The BOS says one way to
> > > diversify our tax base is to bring in new
> > > business. So here we have Pat knocking an
> > existing
> > > business who is already strongly supporting
> the
> > > public schools. Biting the hand that feeds
> you
> > > comes to mind.
> > >
> > > Grevey's isn't alone, look at the websites
> for
> > The
> > > Great American Restaurants, Glory days etc.
> > They,
> > > along with the grocery stores, are the
> > strongest
> > > supporters of the schools.
> > >
> > > Go ahead Pat…keep driving them out. Whether
> > the
> > > tax passes or not, if Grevey's abandoned
> their
> > > local school support in favor of another
> needy
> > > program, I wouldn't blame them.
> > >
> > > How about fiscal responsibility and working
> > within
> > > the budget you have?
> >
> >
> > It is really scary that Pat Hynes and others
> are
> > so convinced that spending money on a bunch of
> > crap is 'for the kids' that they would risk
> > putting people out of business over it. I'm
> kind
> > of surprised that Fairfax County businesses
> have
> > not mounted a stronger attack on this meals tax
> > and on people like Hynes.
> >
> > Hynes should spend a day waiting tables and
> > looking at how people tip and think through the
> > consequences of this tax for people just
> entering
> > the workforce as well as all food service
> workers
> > just struggling to get by. She would quite
> > literally be taking food off of their table to
> pay
> > for some useless consultant or finance yet
> another
> > school board junket.
>
>
> History has shown that tips actually go up after
> the meals tax takes effect. You are a ignorant
> fuck.

If, as you say, this is a matter of historical record, then you should have no problem producing proof of this claim. If you hurry, Ryan McElveen, you can post it before this evening's strategy session at Ted's Bulletin.

IF patrol Wrote:
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>
> History has shown that tips actually go up after
> the meals tax takes effect. You are a ignorant
> fuck.


Actually what it shows is that tips tend to change when meals taxes take effect. Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. When the diner is someone who tips based on a straight percentage the tip tends to increase slightly. For example a 4% increase in total cost will cause a person tipping 15% to increase his tip by 6 tenths of a cent on every dollar of total cost. There is another class of diner who tends to regularly buy the same thing and leave the same tip each time he orders that meal. Those diners tend not to increase the amount of their total payment simply because the cost increases. If the cost increases the tip goes down by the same amount.

Just vote yes you assholes.

m55 Wrote:
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> Just vote yes you assholes.


Since the best Ryan "Clownboy" McElveen can do is say "sometimes tips go up and sometimes they go down" I'm not at all convinced that this meals tax is a good thing, so I'm voting no. If nothing else, I don't want to be making a contribution to the Flip Flippen defense fund-looks like he is in deep doo doo over that California investigation!

Superscary Wrote:
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> She was probably eating on our dime to boot, what
> an idiot. She says she isn't going to Grevey's
> anymore. I'm sure they were thinking don't let the
> door...
>
> More Fairfax Businesses should be speaking up. It
> is totally unfair to pick out one sector.


Business isn't speaking up, other than those directly affected, because businesses and other commercial property owners will be the ones who benefit the most. They'll avoid +$30 million annually by you subsidizing their tax bills through a meals tax, which they won't pay, instead of a 4 cent across the board increase in real estate taxes which they would pay otherwise. All of the primary patrons of the BOS want the little people to pay, not them.

VudLp Wrote:
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> Superscary Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > She was probably eating on our dime to boot,
> what
> > an idiot. She says she isn't going to Grevey's
> > anymore. I'm sure they were thinking don't let
> the
> > door...
> >
> > More Fairfax Businesses should be speaking up.
> It
> > is totally unfair to pick out one sector.
>
>
> Business isn't speaking up, other than those
> directly affected, because businesses and other
> commercial property owners will be the ones who
> benefit the most. They'll avoid +$30 million
> annually by you subsidizing their tax bills
> through a meals tax, which they won't pay, instead
> of a 4 cent across the board increase in real
> estate taxes which they would pay otherwise. All
> of the primary patrons of the BOS want the little
> people to pay, not them.

Oh come on. There is no tax relief. Property tax will continue to go up, hitting commercial property owners. This year, it was a meals tax, who knows what other taxes they are thinking of? After all, we already have a car tax, and there's been talk of a telecommunications tax. Giving in to the meals tax opens the door for much more. The school board thinks they are being clever by crying "it is for the children" when this is anything but the truth. Ask the school board how the $80,000 a month spent on travel benefits the children and see if you get an answer.

Pat Hynes is NAKED Wrote:
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> VudLp Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Superscary Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > She was probably eating on our dime to boot,
> > what
> > > an idiot. She says she isn't going to
> Grevey's
> > > anymore. I'm sure they were thinking don't
> let
> > the
> > > door...
> > >
> > > More Fairfax Businesses should be speaking
> up.
> > It
> > > is totally unfair to pick out one sector.
> >
> >
> > Business isn't speaking up, other than those
> > directly affected, because businesses and other
> > commercial property owners will be the ones who
> > benefit the most. They'll avoid +$30 million
> > annually by you subsidizing their tax bills
> > through a meals tax, which they won't pay,
> instead
> > of a 4 cent across the board increase in real
> > estate taxes which they would pay otherwise.
> All
> > of the primary patrons of the BOS want the
> little
> > people to pay, not them.
>
> Oh come on. There is no tax relief. Property tax
> will continue to go up, hitting commercial
> property owners. This year, it was a meals tax,
> who knows what other taxes they are thinking of?
> After all, we already have a car tax, and there's
> been talk of a telecommunications tax. Giving in
> to the meals tax opens the door for much more. The
> school board thinks they are being clever by
> crying "it is for the children" when this is
> anything but the truth. Ask the school board how
> the $80,000 a month spent on travel benefits the
> children and see if you get an answer.


You're right. Real estate taxes will be raised regardless. But it's still +$30 million less/year that they'll pay into the future.

WLCYd Wrote:
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> Pat Hynes is NAKED Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > VudLp Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Superscary Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > She was probably eating on our dime to
> boot,
> > > what
> > > > an idiot. She says she isn't going to
> > Grevey's
> > > > anymore. I'm sure they were thinking don't
> > let
> > > the
> > > > door...
> > > >
> > > > More Fairfax Businesses should be speaking
> > up.
> > > It
> > > > is totally unfair to pick out one sector.
> > >
> > >
> > > Business isn't speaking up, other than those
> > > directly affected, because businesses and
> other
> > > commercial property owners will be the ones
> who
> > > benefit the most. They'll avoid +$30 million
> > > annually by you subsidizing their tax bills
> > > through a meals tax, which they won't pay,
> > instead
> > > of a 4 cent across the board increase in real
> > > estate taxes which they would pay otherwise.
> > All
> > > of the primary patrons of the BOS want the
> > little
> > > people to pay, not them.
> >
> > Oh come on. There is no tax relief. Property
> tax
> > will continue to go up, hitting commercial
> > property owners. This year, it was a meals tax,
> > who knows what other taxes they are thinking
> of?
> > After all, we already have a car tax, and
> there's
> > been talk of a telecommunications tax. Giving
> in
> > to the meals tax opens the door for much more.
> The
> > school board thinks they are being clever by
> > crying "it is for the children" when this is
> > anything but the truth. Ask the school board
> how
> > the $80,000 a month spent on travel benefits
> the
> > children and see if you get an answer.
>
>
> You're right. Real estate taxes will be raised
> regardless. But it's still +$30 million less/year
> that they'll pay into the future.

Sorry it will be +$30 million that the County/schools will waste.

sorry I disagree Wrote:
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> WLCYd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pat Hynes is NAKED Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > VudLp Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Superscary Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > She was probably eating on our dime to
> > boot,
> > > > what
> > > > > an idiot. She says she isn't going to
> > > Grevey's
> > > > > anymore. I'm sure they were thinking
> don't
> > > let
> > > > the
> > > > > door...
> > > > >
> > > > > More Fairfax Businesses should be
> speaking
> > > up.
> > > > It
> > > > > is totally unfair to pick out one sector.
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Business isn't speaking up, other than
> those
> > > > directly affected, because businesses and
> > other
> > > > commercial property owners will be the ones
> > who
> > > > benefit the most. They'll avoid +$30
> million
> > > > annually by you subsidizing their tax bills
> > > > through a meals tax, which they won't pay,
> > > instead
> > > > of a 4 cent across the board increase in
> real
> > > > estate taxes which they would pay otherwise.
>
> > > All
> > > > of the primary patrons of the BOS want the
> > > little
> > > > people to pay, not them.
> > >
> > > Oh come on. There is no tax relief. Property
> > tax
> > > will continue to go up, hitting commercial
> > > property owners. This year, it was a meals
> tax,
> > > who knows what other taxes they are thinking
> > of?
> > > After all, we already have a car tax, and
> > there's
> > > been talk of a telecommunications tax. Giving
> > in
> > > to the meals tax opens the door for much
> more.
> > The
> > > school board thinks they are being clever by
> > > crying "it is for the children" when this is
> > > anything but the truth. Ask the school board
> > how
> > > the $80,000 a month spent on travel benefits
> > the
> > > children and see if you get an answer.
> >
> >
> > You're right. Real estate taxes will be raised
> > regardless. But it's still +$30 million
> less/year
> > that they'll pay into the future.
>
> Sorry it will be +$30 million that the
> County/schools will waste.


Yeah? And? Who's questioning that? lol

It's still 4 cents/$100 less that businesses will pay vs residents. The meals tax subsidizes commercial real estate taxes on the backs of residents.

Taxes are already too high. Vote no on the meals tax.

No more taxes Wrote:
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> Taxes are already too high. Vote no on the meals
> tax.

Fuck you and your anti-American attitude. Please kill yourself soon. you will thank me later for suggesting this. Good luck!

son of life Wrote:
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> No more taxes Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Taxes are already too high. Vote no on the
> meals
> > tax.
>
> Fuck you and your anti-American attitude. Please
> kill yourself soon. you will thank me later for
> suggesting this. Good luck!

Wow, Ryan, since when is protesting taxes un-American? Did you forget Boston Harbor? A good thing for you, I guess that Ted's Bulletin has such good WiFi!

The meal-tax is SUPPOSED TO BE for fairfax city - who gets free garbage pickup, free sidewalk (repairs), and more out of Fairfax County Government.

HOWEVER - fairfax city employs mostly illegals, mostly illegals live there, and who pays tax on the meals is ... NOT them.

They are sponging as usual, this time off the fact you have to "be in the city" to shop, but their homes not yours benefit from it.

They can suck my dick they aren't worth shit.

son of life Wrote:

> Fuck you and your anti-American attitude. Please
> kill yourself soon. you will thank me later for
> suggesting this. Good luck!

Once again we have such an intelligent response. What time do the trolls go to bed or is it Ryan?

A restaurant group who owns and operates two restaurants of similar size and theme for over twenty years did a study. Menu prices at each location are similar as well. These two restaurants had very similar revenue and net profits before Arlington County imposed a meals tax. These two restaurants are provided with the same quality control mechanisms, employee and server training, same food quality and food pricing, and same management group. Key findings from a basic study of the two restaurants show that:

The wait staff in the Arlington County restaurant earns 20 percent less than the wait staff in the Fairfax County restaurant.

In the 20 years since Arlington County imposed a meals tax, the difference in sales between the two restaurants from the same chain has been over $3 million less for the Arlington County restaurant.

While there are certainly other economic factors involved it is undeniable that the meals tax has had a large adverse effect on the Arlington County restaurant.

So if the field is leveled and Fairfax County also implements a meals tax I would expect the same results, less revenue from actual meals sold and smaller tips.

The coffers will grow because of the meals tax on readymade food. The county will be jumping for joy; however, lost on them are the extra expense is on the backs of the poor and elderly using 7/11, fast food and ready meal alternatives and there will be loss to restaurant servers incomes. The ultimate result is keeping the poor, poorer, rather than the BOS and SB living within their budgets.

Superscary Wrote:
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> son of life Wrote:
>
> > Fuck you and your anti-American attitude.
> Please
> > kill yourself soon. you will thank me later for
> > suggesting this. Good luck!
>
> Once again we have such an intelligent response.
> What time do the trolls go to bed or is it Ryan?
>
> A restaurant group who owns and operates two
> restaurants of similar size and theme for over
> twenty years did a study. Menu prices at each
> location are similar as well. These two
> restaurants had very similar revenue and net
> profits before Arlington County imposed a meals
> tax. These two restaurants are provided with the
> same quality control mechanisms, employee and
> server training, same food quality and food
> pricing, and same management group. Key findings
> from a basic study of the two restaurants show
> that:
>
> The wait staff in the Arlington County restaurant
> earns 20 percent less than the wait staff in the
> Fairfax County restaurant.
>
> In the 20 years since Arlington County imposed a
> meals tax, the difference in sales between the two
> restaurants from the same chain has been over $3
> million less for the Arlington County restaurant.
>
>
> While there are certainly other economic factors
> involved it is undeniable that the meals tax has
> had a large adverse effect on the Arlington County
> restaurant.
>
> So if the field is leveled and Fairfax County also
> implements a meals tax I would expect the same
> results, less revenue from actual meals sold and
> smaller tips.
>
> The coffers will grow because of the meals tax on
> readymade food. The county will be jumping for
> joy; however, lost on them are the extra expense
> is on the backs of the poor and elderly using
> 7/11, fast food and ready meal alternatives and
> there will be loss to restaurant servers incomes.
> The ultimate result is keeping the poor, poorer,
> rather than the BOS and SB living within their
> budgets.

Thank you for posting some facts. You can expect Ryan McElveen, Pat Hynes, the "derper" guy and the rest to respond with a tirade of vulgarity.

At least one retirement community is going to bus residents to the polls to vote against the tax. The community is exempt from the tax but residents look forward to their day out each month, and see no reason to pay any more for it.

The County's disregard for the elderly and disabled is just plain wrong:

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/03/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-the-meals-tax-targets-the-elderly-and-disabled/

county employee Wrote:
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> SharonBulova'sPenis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If u people actually think they will lower
> > property taxes your fucking stupid! Fairfax
> isn't
> > some dream destination where tourists flock to
> so
> > its gonna be the tax payers who foot the bills.
> > Fuck Sharon Bulova and her cronies. Career
> > politicians are whats wrong here. Learn to
> spend
> > the tax money u get responsibily and dont ask
> for
> > more. Sharon please go fuck Scott Silverthorne
> > with your decrepit old penis if u can get it
> up.
>
>
> Goddamn you are one ignorant fuck. Of course
> property taxes will not be lowered but when the
> meals tax revenue rolls in we may be able to give
> you a slightly reduced increase in your property
> tax.
> We get the money we need one way or the other,
> always have and always will. Now go fuck off. If
> you are not happy with your local government you
> should move.


makes sense.

Here are the most important facts. The Board of Supervisors and School Board are DESPERATE to get the meals tax passed because they know that there are limits to how much they can raise the real estate tax without causing a taxpayer's revolt. This means that if the meals tax does not pass they will be forced to examine the budget carefully, scrutinize programs to determine if they are cost effective or actually needed and make judgments about what spending levels are appropriate. These activities are what they are being paid to do and should have been done in the past. However, up to this point it has been easier to raise the property tax rate and pass their incompetence on the tax payer in the form of higher taxes. Don't let them off of the hook and vote NO on the meals tax referendum!

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> Here are the most important facts. The Board of
> Supervisors and School Board are DESPERATE to get
> the meals tax passed because they know that there
> are limits to how much they can raise the real
> estate tax without causing a taxpayer's revolt.
> This means that if the meals tax does not pass
> they will be forced to examine the budget
> carefully, scrutinize programs to determine if
> they are cost effective or actually needed and
> make judgments about what spending levels are
> appropriate. These activities are what they are
> being paid to do and should have been done in the
> past. However, up to this point it has been
> easier to raise the property tax rate and pass
> their incompetence on the tax payer in the form of
> higher taxes. Don't let them off of the hook and
> vote NO on the meals tax referendum!


Agree other than with the forced to scrutinize part. Despite the annual kabuki theater at budget time when they go through the motions of submitting the christmas list and then feigning crisis when it's only passed at a +5% increase vs +8%, that hasn't and very likely never will happen. They're just institutionally incapable of actually doing anything along those lines.

If it doesn't pass, then they'll just say "Oh well, we tried! Now we MUST raise the real estate tax."

I don't think that they really care much one way or another. It works out either way. The tax money will come regardless. It may not be as much as they want, but, by definition, it never will be.

kGnK4 Wrote:
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> Inquisitive One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here are the most important facts. The Board
> of
> > Supervisors and School Board are DESPERATE to
> get
> > the meals tax passed because they know that
> there
> > are limits to how much they can raise the real
> > estate tax without causing a taxpayer's revolt.
>
> > This means that if the meals tax does not pass
> > they will be forced to examine the budget
> > carefully, scrutinize programs to determine if
> > they are cost effective or actually needed and
> > make judgments about what spending levels are
> > appropriate. These activities are what they
> are
> > being paid to do and should have been done in
> the
> > past. However, up to this point it has been
> > easier to raise the property tax rate and pass
> > their incompetence on the tax payer in the form
> of
> > higher taxes. Don't let them off of the hook
> and
> > vote NO on the meals tax referendum!
>
>
> Agree other than with the forced to scrutinize
> part. Despite the annual kabuki theater at budget
> time when they go through the motions of
> submitting the christmas list and then feigning
> crisis when it's only passed at a +5% increase vs
> +8%, that hasn't and very likely never will
> happen. They're just institutionally incapable of
> actually doing anything along those lines.
>
> If it doesn't pass, then they'll just say "Oh
> well, we tried! Now we MUST raise the real estate
> tax."
>
> I don't think that they really care much one way
> or another. It works out either way. The tax
> money will come regardless. It may not be as much
> as they want, but, by definition, it never will
> be.

Sorry even if the meals tax passes, property taxes will go up. The BOS will say that since the schools get 70%, more money is needed for a government center annex or something. Anyone voting for the meals tax is a FIRST RATE SUCKER.

school teacher Wrote:
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> Hey folks, leave the driving to us, okay? We are
> the teachers and we know what is or is not needed.
> Just support us by voting "YES" on the meals tax.
> Thank you!


If I thought the teachers were driving, I would be likely to vote YES. But they are not. In fact, I doubt most of the money will go to teachers or to the classroom. As someone stated above, the SB is incapable of spending money in a responsible way because, heck, that takes real work. And what happened to the auditor they hired?

sad truth Wrote:
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> school teacher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey folks, leave the driving to us, okay? We
> are
> > the teachers and we know what is or is not
> needed.
> > Just support us by voting "YES" on the meals
> tax.
> > Thank you!
>
>
> If I thought the teachers were driving, I would be
> likely to vote YES. But they are not. In fact, I
> doubt most of the money will go to teachers or to
> the classroom. As someone stated above, the SB is
> incapable of spending money in a responsible way
> because, heck, that takes real work. And what
> happened to the auditor they hired?

The auditor has been on paid personal leave for some time, and the school board refuses to discuss it. More money down the drain.

Teachers around the country have complained about the "training" provided by "psychotherapist" Menville "Flip" Flippen. That did not stop Nardos King from hiring him. Her bad decision is worse than it seems, as Flippen's combination of no results and high fees caused him to be investigated by a California grand jury. Read the report for yourself, but it is not favorable to Flippen. You can start here:

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-fcps-consultant-menville-flip-flippen-investigated-by-california-grand-jury/

Flippen is just one of many "theory of the week" consultants hired by FCPS. Some of them even get sole source, multi-year contracts using their own promotional materials as justification! Small wonder FCPS is broke, these guys are far from cheap. Flippen, for example, charged $10,000 for a ONE HOUR COMMENCEMENT SPEECH!

All you ignorant fucks need to stop with your anti-meals tax bullshit. This is a great tax because the rich will pay more of it than the poor and a third of the revenue will come from non-residents. We all need to vote YES!!!

The rich also tend to pay more in real estate taxes, plus we get all of that revenue from nonresidents who own residential and especially commercial real estate in the County. why not raise that instead of instituting a new tax? Oh yeah, people have figured out that Fairfax real estate tax rates are higher than other close in NoVa jurisdictions.

king county Wrote:
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> All you ignorant fucks need to stop with your
> anti-meals tax bullshit. This is a great tax
> because the rich will pay more of it than the poor
> and a third of the revenue will come from
> non-residents. We all need to vote YES!!!

Tell that to the college student that lives off campus, cannot afford a lot of food and buys an occasional hot dog and soda at the 7-11. Or maybe the senior citizen that is on a fixed income, has already been raped with double digit real estate tax increases and likes to buy a roasted chicken at Costco as a treat. Or maybe the minimum wage millennial that is mostly in the same boat as the college student. Or family of four that really cannot afford to eat out much but uses it as a once a month treat..... Get the idea that there are no victims in this tax is a bunch of bull?



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Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> king county Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All you ignorant fucks need to stop with your
> > anti-meals tax bullshit. This is a great tax
> > because the rich will pay more of it than the
> poor
> > and a third of the revenue will come from
> > non-residents. We all need to vote YES!!!
>
> Tell that to the college student that lives off
> campus, cannot afford a lot of food and buys an
> occasional hot dog and soda at the 7-11. Or maybe
> the senior citizen that is on a fixed income, has
> already been raped with double digit real estate
> tax increases and likes to buy a roasted chicken
> at Costco as a treat. Or maybe the minimum wage
> millennial that is mostly in the same boat as the
> college student. Or family of four that really
> cannot afford to eat out much but uses it as a
> once a month treat..... Get the idea that there
> are no victims in this tax is a bunch of bull?

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/03/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-the-meals-tax-targets-the-elderly-and-disabled/

Why should we exploit the elderly and disabled in order to subsidize grand jury target, Menville "Flip" Flippen, and others like him?

the meals tax wont affect my business, it will help me because I will pretend all my sales were in prince william.

food truck owner Wrote:
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> the meals tax wont affect my business, it will
> help me because I will pretend all my sales were
> in prince william.


And how does the ruse help you? Sorry, Ryan, this is bad, even for you. Stick to Uno, at least while you still can.

Vote 'NO' to meals tax.
After running the numbers: it would be more cost effective for Mrs.RoadApples and myself to have a 4% increase in our Property Taxes (which would also include the advantage of a modest tax deduction)in lieu of a 4% meals tax.

Guess what conservatards? We lib's are going to take this tax and shove it right up your asses and you will pay it because we will make you pay it.
The issue of weather the tax is needed is not important. The fact that conservatards are against it is all it takes for us to make sure it passes.
You can never go wrong in life if you go against anything the right is in favor of.

Approve this tax or your kids will suffer.

Yes, approve this tax. We need to pay for all these kids who come to Fairfax County at 15 .........

libliblib Wrote:
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> Guess what conservatards? We lib's are going to
> take this tax and shove it right up your asses and
> you will pay it because we will make you pay it.
> The issue of weather the tax is needed is not
> important. The fact that conservatards are against
> it is all it takes for us to make sure it passes.
> You can never go wrong in life if you go against
> anything the right is in favor of.


Yes, approve this tax and you will get much more of what libliblib is proposing. Does not care one bit about how YOUR funds are being spent, how frivolous the school board spending is or anything else for that matter. He/she just wants runaway spending and wants someone else to pay for it.

a teeecher Wrote:
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> Approve this tax or your kids will suffer.

No, the residents will, and there will be nothing for the kids. FCPS wants to hire more "experts" like grand jury target, Flip Flippen, to consult on the transgender issue and how to rename J.E.B. Stuart.

Just look at the numbers:

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/09/13/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-some-figures/

meals tax = excessive Wrote:
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> a teeecher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Approve this tax or your kids will suffer.
>
> No, the residents will, and there will be nothing
> for the kids. FCPS wants to hire more "experts"
> like grand jury target, Flip Flippen, to consult
> on the transgender issue and how to rename J.E.B.
> Stuart.
>
> Just look at the numbers:
>
> https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2
> 016/09/13/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-some-figures/


That's funny. Amazing really. Conservative stupidity in action.

Legacystic Wrote:
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> meals tax = excessive Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a teeecher Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Approve this tax or your kids will suffer.
> >
> > No, the residents will, and there will be
> nothing
> > for the kids. FCPS wants to hire more "experts"
> > like grand jury target, Flip Flippen, to
> consult
> > on the transgender issue and how to rename
> J.E.B.
> > Stuart.
> >
> > Just look at the numbers:
> >
> >
> https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2
>
> >
> 016/09/13/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-some-figures/
>
>
> That's funny. Amazing really. Conservative
> stupidity in action.


Supporting a meals tax would be more 'conservative stupidity.'

- The tax is regressive and disproportionately affects those at lower income levels.

- The tax benefits businesses and other commercial property owners by about +$30 million/year which will be paid instead by residents vs an equivalent increase in real estate taxes which they otherwise would pay.

Legacystic Wrote:
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> meals tax = excessive Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a teeecher Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Approve this tax or your kids will suffer.
> >
> > No, the residents will, and there will be
> nothing
> > for the kids. FCPS wants to hire more "experts"
> > like grand jury target, Flip Flippen, to
> consult
> > on the transgender issue and how to rename
> J.E.B.
> > Stuart.
> >
> > Just look at the numbers:
> >
> >
> https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2
>
> >
> 016/09/13/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-some-figures/
>
>
> That's funny. Amazing really. Conservative
> stupidity in action.


If you cannot defend the meals tax, ridicule the people that can defend their viewpoint. Try again loser!

It's always the same, hands out asking for more. Deal with the illegals and other wasteful spending and make do with what you've already got. Taxed to fucking death.

After doing some research I am voting "YES".

If you have young kids the meals tax will make them smarter and that will get them more college scholarships. Vote yes to save yourselves thousands!!!!

A daddy Wrote:
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> If you have young kids the meals tax will make
> them smarter and that will get them more college
> scholarships. Vote yes to save yourselves
> thousands!!!!

thats stupid.

tax base expert Wrote:
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> The meals tax should be approved but it likely
> will be voted down by typical ignorant-ass Fairfax
> county residents who just automatically reject all
> revenue enhancement plans because they are too
> damn stupid to realize what is in their best
> interest.


It really is looking like it will be approved and well it should.

exit poll Wrote:
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> Had the meals tax been passed in 1992 the county
> would have had billions in revenue by now and our
> taxes would be lower today. I really don't care if
> it passes or not because I'm old, wealthy and
> retired. You young fuckers have a chance to do the
> right thing for yourselves bu approving the meals
> tax this time.


We get it. Everyone is voting YES!

MORE TAXES - what makes you think this is a winning strategy?? 3/4 of all FFX residents don't have kids in the schools and could care less about the school budget. The myth of more spending on schools leading to higher home prices has been shown to be MYTH (see D.C. for a good example). So why would we vote for something that takes money from our pocket, gives it to feckless, craven, secretive School Board that spends it on early start time, pre-K, over-priced consultants and clowns, turf fields etc. and at the same time CUTS TEACHER POSITIONS...

A daddy Wrote:
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> If you have young kids the meals tax will make
> them smarter and that will get them more college
> scholarships. Vote yes to save yourselves
> thousands!!!!

Oh yes, con men like Menville "Flip" Flippen make the kids SO much smarter!

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-fcps-consultant-menville-flip-flippen-investigated-by-california-grand-jury/

Flippen charges six figures for what appears to be worthless consulting and one school district was conned into paying him $10,000 for a one hour speech. That little stunt cost Dr. Fred Czerwonka his job. Could history repeat itself in Fairfax?

A daddy Wrote:
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> If you have young kids the meals tax will make
> it more expensive every time you stop at
> McDonalds or elsewhere or when you pick up
> a roasted chicken at Giant or Costco when you're
> trying to save some time after work to feed them
> and when you take the family out for dinner.
> It won't do a thing to make them smarter since
> it will go to pay salary and benefit increases only.
> Vote no to save yourselves thousands!!!!


^ FIFY

A single mommy Wrote:
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> A daddy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you have young kids the meals tax will make
> > it more expensive every time you stop at
> > McDonalds or elsewhere or when you pick up
> > a roasted chicken at Giant or Costco when
> you're
> > trying to save some time after work to feed them
>
> > and when you take the family out for dinner.
> > It won't do a thing to make them smarter since
> > it will go to pay salary and benefit increases
> only.
> > Vote no to save yourselves thousands!!!!
>
>
> ^ FIFY

That's pretty generous..."it will go to pay salary and benefit increases only."


It will go to more consultants and additional administrative staff to waste and the teachers will still be screaming. The have not made a resolution "committing" where it will go.

It will go to changing school names and adapting bathrooms to the new rules.

it will go Wrote:
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> It will go to changing school names and adapting
> bathrooms to the new rules.


I am looking forward to bidding on the remodeling or addition of the transgender restrooms. I have some pretty good ideas about saving the taxpayers thousands. That work would allow me to hire a half dozen plumbers and keep them busy for years.

Vote YES!!

Best reason to vote for the meals tax is because republicans are against it. That is my voting strategy for life.

The anti-tax dipshits really got their asses kicked in this thread!

Best reason yet Wrote:
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> Best reason to vote for the meals tax is because
> republicans are against it. That is my voting
> strategy for life.


Don't know the political leanings of those on this thread. Most of the opposition I know of is coming from those who usually go Democratic.

thread rater Wrote:
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> The anti-tax dipshits really got their asses
> kicked in this thread!


I think you're all trolled out now.

thread rater Wrote:
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> The anti-tax dipshits really got their asses
> kicked in this thread!


Asshole...'s mad because he always loses. lol

So my kid goes to Lane ES and she brought home a letter yesterday urging all parents to vote for the meals tax. I thought that was kind of fucked up.

Most surrounding jurisdictions in Northern Virginia have a meals tax. When we eat in Arlington, Alexandria, Falls Church, Fairfax City, Vienna or Herndon, we are helping those communities pay for their important public services and high quality of life. If we want to keep our great teachers — and the families and companies who choose Fairfax County for its great schools — it’s time for Fairfax County to get up to speed and implement a modest meals tax. Vote "Yes" on the meals tax!

Samantha Barnhill Wrote:
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> Most surrounding jurisdictions in Northern
> Virginia have a meals tax. When we eat in
> Arlington, Alexandria, Falls Church, Fairfax City,
> Vienna or Herndon, we are helping those
> communities pay for their important public
> services and high quality of life. If we want to
> keep our great teachers — and the families and
> companies who choose Fairfax County for its great
> schools — it’s time for Fairfax County to get
> up to speed and implement a modest meals tax.
> Vote "Yes" on the meals tax!

Samantha,

Why do you dislike the elderly and disabled?

This tax targets them-and does so unfairly!

Read more here:

https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2016/10/03/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-the-meals-tax-targets-the-elderly-and-disabled/

Also, nothing guarantees that the meals tax money would be used for teacher salaries. What would stop FCPS from spending it on travel, consultants, transgender bathrooms and renaming schools?

>
> Also, nothing guarantees that the meals tax money
> would be used for teacher salaries. What would
> stop FCPS from spending it on travel, consultants,
> transgender bathrooms and renaming schools?

Exactly......The School Board has committed that its share, estimated to be almost $70 million in new funding, will be used primarily to address teachers' salaries, which have lagged behind neighboring communities.

Will be used primarily? Why no commitment? Why not a pre cent?

Pretty fun watching the county staff et al troll here.
I got news for the rest of you:
It isn't going to pass.
Have a good day!

Samantha Barnhill Wrote:
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> Most surrounding jurisdictions in Northern
> Virginia have a meals tax. When we eat in
> Arlington, Alexandria, Falls Church, Fairfax City,
> Vienna or Herndon, we are helping those
> communities pay for their important public
> services and high quality of life. If we want to
> keep our great teachers — and the families and
> companies who choose Fairfax County for its great
> schools — it’s time for Fairfax County to get
> up to speed and implement a modest meals tax.
> Vote "Yes" on the meals tax!


Oh the meals tax is a wonderful idea!!!!

Everyone is voting yes except for some old idiots!

Samantha, the wicked witch Wrote:
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> Samantha Barnhill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> Read more here:
>
> https://fairfaxvotenoonthemealstax.wordpress.com/2
> 016/10/03/vote-no-on-the-meals-tax-the-meals-tax-t
> argets-the-elderly-and-disabled/


Even more of a reason to vote yes! Those geezers have a sweet deal with the tax relief, it's easy to control your income when you're retired and withdrawing from savings.


http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dta/taxrelief_faq.htm

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A Meals Tax, including the administrative costs of implementing the tax, will compound stresses on the restaurant industry in the near future, including higher healthcare expenses and a higher minimum wage, all of which will make it difficult for the industry to prosper in Fairfax County.

The Fairfax County economic recovery from a recession is too meek and fragile to handle a tax increase.

A Meals Tax will take discretionary money (~$900 million over 10 years) out of the private sector, including small businesses, that would support economic growth more than the County Government spending it.

A Meals Tax will raise unemployment in the County, as the tax will cause lay-offs (as it has in Arlington county) in the restaurant industry that accounts for a significant percentage of County employment.

Anyone who is against the meals tax is an ignorant fuck.

IF patrol Wrote:
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> Anyone who is against the meals tax is an ignorant
> fuck.

Someone at FCPS (hello, Ryan McElveen?) was having trouble sleeping and advanced this brilliant argument for the meals tax.

The meals tax is a great idea and it needs to be approved.

Meals tax = more value Wrote:
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> The meals tax is a great idea and it needs to be
> approved.


What an original thought! However, I think a better idea is for you to get your checkbook out and write a check to Fairfax County! The bigger the better!



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Meals tax = more value Wrote:
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> The meals tax is a great idea and it needs to be
> approved.

You are 100% right.

So far we've been told if we don't vote for the meals tax we are complete morons. We've been told we have to vote for the meals tax if we want better schools. Now we are being told the meals tax is a great idea? Anyone notice there is seldom any information backed up by objective documentation to support these conclusions?

The meals tax is a bad idea. It was previously rejected by Fairfax County. It has been rejected by all northern Virginia jurisdictions where voter approval was required. It has been rejected by voters in most of the recent elections where the tax was on the ballot.

IF patrol Wrote:
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> Anyone who is against the meals tax is an ignorant
> fuck.


I agree, if you oppose the meals tax you're probably some white trash moron who can only afford to eat at Mcdonald's.

tired of rednecks Wrote:
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> IF patrol Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone who is against the meals tax is an
> ignorant
> > fuck.
>
>
> I agree, if you oppose the meals tax you're
> probably some white trash moron who can only
> afford to eat at Mcdonald's.

Weak insult brohammed.

If I was this moron who could only afford McDonald's then I wouldn't want more taxes on my food. Clear reason to vote no.

I'm not a moron who can only afford McDonald's and I wouldn't want these morons you speak or to have to pay more for their food. So I'll vote no.

No compelling reason to vote yes. You helped clarify why to vote no. Good work mam.

tired of rednecks Wrote:
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> IF patrol Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone who is against the meals tax is an
> ignorant
> > fuck.
>
>
> I agree, if you oppose the meals tax you're
> probably some white trash moron who can only
> afford to eat at Mcdonald's.

This sure does sound like something Ryan McElveen would say. I wonder if the school board is planning on giving itself another raise?

No, the money's already earmarked for Rogaine.

I'll vote for the meals tax on the condition that the BOS and FCPS approve charter schools in Fairfax County - that way we get additional funding and accountability for spending - a win-win...

tired of rednecks Wrote:
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> I agree, if you oppose the meals tax you're
> probably some white trash moron who can only
> afford to eat at Mcdonald's.

Let's put this into perspective. If a guy buys lunch a couple of times a week and takes his family of four out to eat once a week at McDonalds, he is going to pay more in meals tax than the owner of a $500,000 home would pay in additional real estate tax if the county decided to raise the real estate tax rate by a penny. The same with the person who buys his lunch every day at Subway. The twentysomething who takes his girlfriend out for dinner at a modest restaurant once a week is going to pay more in meals tax than that $500,000 homeowner is going to pay in additional tax if the real estate tax rate is raised by 2 cents. The harried parent who spends $20 4 times a week on takeout for the family is going to pay more in meals tax than the additional real estate tax if the rate was raised by 3 cents on that $500,000 home

These are fairly substantial sums that are going to be squeezed out of people who are not living very affluent lifestyles. So don't dismiss the guy who eats at McDonalds. The County isn't in their calculations.

Meals tax = more value Wrote:
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> The meals tax is a great idea and it needs to be
> approved.


Based on the polls it is looking like the meals tax will be approved. This is great news for our county!

gt Wrote:
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> Superscary Wrote:
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> > She was probably eating on our dime to boot,
> what
> > an idiot. She says she isn't going to Grevey's
> > anymore. I'm sure they were thinking don't let
> the
> > door...
> >
> > More Fairfax Businesses should be speaking up.
> It
> > is totally unfair to pick out one sector. The
> > promoters of this tax, would have one
> believing,
> > that it's only costing those engaged in casual
> > dining at an expensive restaurant and a third
> of
> > them are from out of town. Prepared food is not
> a
> > luxury for all, it is often a necessity. 7/11
> > reports nearly one-third of the more than 6
> > million people who stop by each day purchase
> > immediately consumable food. I see the busy
> > working parents throughout the day patronizing
> > fast food establishments.
> >
> > Why pick on one sector of business? Plenty of
> Nail
> > shops from one end of the county to the other,
> > that's a luxury, so let's tax them. A special
> tax
> > on cell phones/electronics, that's a luxury,
> why
> > not? Why not a toy tax? Pets are a luxury; why
> > not an extra tax on all pet products? Prepared
> > food is not a luxury, it's a necessity.
>
>
> Fuck you. vote YES!


LOL!

Udvar Wrote:
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> Meals tax = more value Wrote:
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> > The meals tax is a great idea and it needs to
> be
> > approved.
>
>
> Based on the polls it is looking like the meals
> tax will be approved. This is great news for our
> county!

Who did this poll, Ryan McElveen and Pat Hynes?

where are these polls? Wrote:
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> Who did this poll, Ryan McElveen and Pat Hynes?

Fuck you. Vote YES.

Up yours... Wrote:
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> where are these polls? Wrote:
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> > Who did this poll, Ryan McElveen and Pat Hynes?
>
> Fuck you. Vote YES.

Wow this argument is so compelling. Not only will I vote yes, but I'll buy a timeshare from this person and hire them to lower my credit card interest rate. I just wish they offered an extended car warranty as well. It is not every day that you see such persuasiveness and elegant use of the English language.

Udvar Wrote:
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> Meals tax = more value Wrote:
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> > The meals tax is a great idea and it needs to
> be
> > approved.
>
>
> Based on the polls it is looking like the meals
> tax will be approved. This is great news for our
> county!

Care to share those polls or are they the ones that you pulled out of the deep dark recesses of your backside.

master debater Wrote:
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> >
> > Fuck you. Vote YES.
>
> Wow this argument is so compelling. Not only will
> I vote yes, but I'll buy a timeshare from this
> person and hire them to lower my credit card
> interest rate. I just wish they offered an
> extended car warranty as well. It is not every day
> that you see such persuasiveness and elegant use
> of the English language.
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county employee Wrote:
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> The meals tax will generate over 40 million in
> revenue mostly from non county residents. It is a
> great way to raise much needed funds!


Everyone is voting yes and well they should!

county teacher 682 Wrote:
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> county employee Wrote:
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> > The meals tax will generate over 40 million in
> > revenue mostly from non county residents. It is
> a
> > great way to raise much needed funds!
>
>
> Everyone is voting yes and well they should!

You are a disgrace to the teaching profession.
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county teacher 682 Wrote:
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> county employee Wrote:
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> > The meals tax will generate over 40 million in
> > revenue mostly from non county residents. It is
> a
> > great way to raise much needed funds!
>
>
> Everyone is voting yes and well they should!

.....If approved by voters, the meals tax is estimated to generate approximately $99 million in the first year - with 28 percent of that amount coming from non-county residents such as commuters and tourists

Fairfax County’s most vulnerable residents are exactly those people who need the revenue from the Meals Tax. Low to middle income families rely on public services, such as public health, public safety, libraries and schools.

Vote YES!