Hey, Garza promised a two percent pay raise and we got a one percent.

You ungrateful whiny ass &@/?#%€£ stay locked up in a room with your own brats all day for the skimpy dollars I do it for. Yaw'l suck.

Deep! Wrote:
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> There has been THIRD party studies done you just
> tend to ignore them or not believe them and say

No, we use facts to show how the so-called "studies" are created to justify spending. For example, this study:


> http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/fi
> les/A4VUUT686987/$file/FCPS%20-%20Presentation%20t
> o%20School%20Board%20Work%20Session.pdf
>

attempted to show that teachers need a pay raise, but failed to include that teachers who left teaching at FCPS citing pay actually went into full-time careers with full-year pay. In many cases, they did not need the gold-plated benefits program that FCPS offers, and had no children so they did not see much benefit in all the days off.

The study also stated that 200 teacher positions were vacant at the beginning of the school year, but left out that every student had multiple teachers available to them.

If there had been 200 classrooms without teachers on the first day of school you would have read about it in the news.

This is not just smoke and mirrors. It's fraud by FCPS, maybe even criminal.

The study also found that teachers staying beyond 20 years were grossly overpaid, and occupying slots that could be filled with younger, better educated, more enthused teachers with the latest in teaching techniques and tools.

Ask any principal and they will tell you it is almost impossible to get rid of a poor teacher, short of multiple instances of actual misconduct with solid documentation.

It's 4:00, time to go home. I will write more here tomorrow.

Fairfax County Will Fight Back Wrote:
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> The school board made no attempt to contain costs. None. Notta.

"Notta", huh. Amazing!

Ask the principals Wrote:
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> Ask any principal and they will tell you it is
> almost impossible to get rid of a poor teacher,
> short of multiple instances of actual misconduct
> with solid documentation.

What other standards would you have? Wearing an ugly tie? Rooting for the "wrong" team in the Super Bowl? If you don't have an actual cause to fire people, they shouldn't be fired.

Most telling of all is that the board does not want to be audited.

Hiding something Garza?
Yes you are, aren't you?

Here is how it works.

Feds required FCPS to have EpiPens and trained staff in case Mohammad or Juan get his hands on someone elses peanut butter sandwich.

Each school has to have mulitple doses on hand.
Feds give 20K to get it started.

Medicine expires after 6 months and is tossed out.
Most all of it goes unused. Infact, not one shot was given last year.

FCPS now has to stock it and foot the bill.
Oops, several teachers have to go through training every year. $$$

This process repeats itself year after year.
Your Federal and local govt. at work.

Tip of the iceberg. Guess who is cashing in.....

The Koch brothers? Big Pharma? Donald Trump? FOX News?

Talk to a school nurse.
Pharma come back in and "disposes" the old and "restocks" the new.

Did you know most of the repair services for fcps are on a no bid contract?

Cardinal forest put up a new sign and no one was allowed to bid.

Two weeks later, the bulbs went out.

Stewart signs told them to fix it yourselves.

Tip of the iceberg.

Who cares who profits, you're paying for it.
Ben Dover

I believe the school board is hoping we will give up and go away so they are simply ignoring the issue. Every year there is always openings that haven't been filled but there needs to be additional cuts.

Your babysitter Wrote:
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> Hey, Garza promised a two percent pay raise and we
> got a one percent.
>
> You ungrateful whiny ass &@/?#%€£ stay locked
> up in a room with your own brats all day for the
> skimpy dollars I do it for. Yaw'l suck.


You are getting 1% PLUS a step increase PLUS $40 MILLION walking around money to be distributed using a method that has yet to be determined. That's a whole lot more than those in much of the private sector are receiving this year.

But only if the FCPS Board demands are agreed to by the state and Fairfax County.

Advice: Don't spend it yet.

Why would anyone support the budget of an organization that pays $64K a year to this type of person?

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2014/020514springfieldmanchargedwithsexoffenses.htm

I think the people who post rants on this thread and other parts of the Underground don't understand what it takes to run a school system the size of Fairfax. FACT: Since 2004, FCPS has gone from the 13th largest school system in the country to the 10th largest school system in the country. A lot of people attribute this to the rise in undocumented people in the country and in the county. It is a law, federal and state, that school systems have to provide public education for everyone. If FCPS chose not to do this, they would face major legal consequences. School systems don't operate on air, they need money to function and like a lot of things in this area, operating a school system in this county keeps getting more expensive. Some people here talk about waste, but do you really understand the importance of public education? The goal is to prepare all people for the future, regardless of their ethnic or economic background. In this ever changing world, you need qualified people, namely teachers in the classroom to help students prepare for the future. Good people cost money, especially those who are helping future generations handle the challenges of a world where information changes every few seconds. Also in the Commonwealth of Virginia, our state ranks 8th in household income in the country and 38th in funding of schools. That second statistic is the very reason why Fairfax and other adjacent school systems should get the funding they need. Without proper funding of schools, quality of schools and school programs will deteriorate to a third world country. Think about it. Doctors are well compensated. They are necessary to society. So are lawyers and legal scholars. The same needs to be the case for teachers. We are just as important as the doctors and lawyers, in fact we help start their journeys towards being doctors and lawyers.

You pretty much answered your own questions, as the undocumented people increase the documented ones will begin leaving. That's a truth through time if you look at most metropolitan areas in the United States. I certainly realize that unfortunately we have to provide an education to those who trespass into our country but the amount of bending over to provide them extra services is ridiculous and eventually taxpayers will say enough is enough. As all other County agencies have done with what the Board budgeted to them, the school system needs to set realistic priorities and goals before despite what they say they want and need , the money is not there.

Jersey baby! Wrote:
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> Talk to a school nurse. Pharma come back in and "disposes"
> the old and "restocks" the new.

Grocery stores have pull-dates as well. Maybe you just don't understand how these things work.

Ben Dover Wrote:
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> Did you know most of the repair services for fcps
> are on a no bid contract?

As they should be. It would be a huge waste of everyone's time and money to re-bid contracts for standard, ongoing supplies and services when the existing contractor has been performing to customer satisfaction.

Citizen Audits Wrote:
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> Deep! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > There has been THIRD party studies done you
> just
> > tend to ignore them or not believe them and say
>
> No, we use facts to show how the so-called
> "studies" are created to justify spending. For
> example, this study:
>
>
> >
> http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/fi
>
> >
> les/A4VUUT686987/$file/FCPS%20-%20Presentation%20t
>
> > o%20School%20Board%20Work%20Session.pdf
> >
>
> attempted to show that teachers need a pay raise,
> but failed to include that teachers who left
> teaching at FCPS citing pay actually went into
> full-time careers with full-year pay. In many
> cases, they did not need the gold-plated benefits
> program that FCPS offers, and had no children so
> they did not see much benefit in all the days
> off.
>
> The study also stated that 200 teacher positions
> were vacant at the beginning of the school year,
> but left out that every student had multiple
> teachers available to them.
>
> If there had been 200 classrooms without teachers
> on the first day of school you would have read
> about it in the news.
>
> This is not just smoke and mirrors. It's fraud by
> FCPS, maybe even criminal.

I'm just curious. What would be an example of a "gold plated benefit"?

Your baby Wrote:
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> That's a whole lot more than those in much of the private sector
> are receiving this year.

You flunkies don't deserve most of what you do get. You earned your way to the bottom of the barrel through your lack of talent, effort, and accomplishment. The dimes you are not getting are all the ones that you clearly do not deserve.

Unlike you, teachers work under difficult circumstances to provide important and valuable service to society. We ought to be concerned about them long before we give a flip about you. May your assessment increase in spades this year!

simple economics Wrote:
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> You pretty much answered your own questions, as
> the undocumented people increase the documented
> ones will begin leaving. That's a truth through
> time if you look at most metropolitan areas in the
> United States. I certainly realize that
> unfortunately we have to provide an education to
> those who trespass into our country but the amount
> of bending over to provide them extra services is
> ridiculous and eventually taxpayers will say
> enough is enough. As all other County agencies
> have done with what the Board budgeted to them,
> the school system needs to set realistic
> priorities and goals before despite what they say
> they want and need , the money is not there.

Regardless of what some (e.g., ignorant nativists or TEA Party morons) might think, we in Fairfax County live in a wealthy yet low-tax area. That will begin to change if FCPS is allowed to decline. Just like top teachers, the high-income jobs and workers will stop coming to the County and start leaving instead. Taxes on the rest will have to increase to make up the shortfall. The costs of maintaining high standards in our school system come back to us many times over. Don't be so foolish or short-sighted as to mess with all that.

tgb Wrote:
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> I'm just curious. What would be an example of a "gold plated benefit"?

There actually aren't any. The whole notion is a spin-doctored meme made up by right-wing propagandists as a device to incite alarm and anger among the pliant and ignorant dweebs who comprise the target audience for right-wing propagandists.

"Yes, your retirement plans were a threat to our profits, so we took them away. But don't be mad at us. Be mad at all the undeserving selfish bastards out there who still have retirement plans. They are your REAL enemies, not us!"

-- The Right-Wing

"The FY 2017 budget also includes $2.2 million for additional buses due to the change in school start times last year, as well as $16.5 million in health insurance increases and $13.5 million in retirement rate increases, in lieu of employees contributing anything to their guaranteed benefits."

What?!? I contribute a big old pile of money to my health insurance, dental insurance, life insurance, and pension every month. They money taken out of my check is listed right there on the stub. In addition, I have co-pays and out-of-pocket expenses.

How in the world did you get that FCPS employees don't contribute anything?

"The FY 2017 budget also includes $2.2 million for additional buses due to the change in school start times last year, as well as $16.5 million in health insurance increases and $13.5 million in retirement rate increases, in lieu of employees contributing anything to their guaranteed benefits."

What?!? I contribute a big old pile of money to my health insurance, dental insurance, life insurance, and pension every month. They money taken out of my check is listed right there on the stub. In addition, I have co-pays and out-of-pocket expenses.

How in the world did you get that FCPS employees don't contribute anything?

Here are the health rates for retirees:
http://www.fcps.edu/hr/benefits/publications/2016/erfc_rates_2016.pdf

and current employees:
http://www.fcps.edu/hr/benefits/openenrollment/resources/premiums_medical_dental_active_employees.pdf

>This budget is doing exactly what is urged. The school board is voted in to represent what is best for the residents and their kids education not what the board of supervisors wants them to do. The majority of the public supports FCPS and wants them to be fully funded and the BOS knows this full and well and will spin it as much as they can so they don't get labeled as the bad guys by not funding the budget request. I guarantee you if this budget increase was put to a public vote it would pass somewhere around 60 percent yay to 40 percent nay.
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Bullshit. The BOS needs to stick to their BOS budget and let the school hacks fall on their faces. The people vote for the School Board people because their Lib Democrats just like the BOS in general.. The election for the BOS was last fall, They don't need to take anything from this school board or their either huge tax increases or cut Fairfax County govt funding for their sorry overspending greedy asses cause people are Too Stupid in FXCO to become a City and keep a lot of tax revenue that goes to Richmond.

Regardless of what some (e.g., ignorant nativists or TEA Party morons) might think, we in Fairfax County live in a wealthy yet low-tax area. That will begin to change if FCPS is allowed to decline
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Let FCPS and the Illegals within Decline, The "wealthy" will send their children to private schools. The "decline " is Only "Test Scores" due to the infiltration of Illegal's who are way behind the 8 ball in everything. Who gives a shit, If your kid has good test scores that's all that matters for them to go to college, That and your dime. If they don't that's their problem and yours as a lousy parent. Stop bleeding taxpayers out for this grossly overspending, overstaffed with bureaucrats not teachers , school system.

Yuck. How disgusting!
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Attachments:

I'm a FCPS Teacher, and I'm a proud soldier on the War on Fairfax County. I've killed countless Ffx. Co. soldiers, and I'm on my way out the door now to see if I can burn down the Government Center.

Ask the principals Wrote:
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> Ask any principal and they will tell you it is
> almost impossible to get rid of a poor teacher,
> short of multiple instances of actual misconduct
> with solid documentation.


You can even have that and they aren't going anywhere!!!!!!!!

When FCPS does the following, I will support an increase in funding:

1. Stop allowing overpriced consultants to write the RFP.

2. Have enough sense to not blow $500,000 for a consultant to issue a report telling us Arlington pays their teachers more.

3. Stop hiring friends and family for most openings. Other people in the community deserve a shot at jobs.

4. Stop giving Gatehouse staff 3% raises every year.

5. Hire decent principals--not GH ass kissers.

6. Remove lousy teachers from the classrooms.

7. Listen to the community, for once.

FCPS already listens to responsible voices in the community. It's just WORTHLESS ASSHOLES like you that they pay no attention to.

Pretty clear that the PRO School Spending as Much as They Want Bunch are all School HACKS that want more for themselves.

And the detractors here are The Taxpayers whose pockets are being picked by a grossly overspending School System.

Listen Up BOS! Hold the school system to Your Budget!

In Reality... Wrote:
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> FCPS already listens to responsible voices in the
> community. It's just WORTHLESS ASSHOLES like you
> that they pay no attention to.


worthless asshole????

they seem like pretty reasonable requests to me.

To LISTEN!.. TO Illegals!

The Only rights they have are the Right to be sent back home for Illegally entering the USA . Just Enforce The Law. And that's Reasonable.. not Angry..

You cannot say we hire the best new teachers. What new grad/teacher would come to Fairfax with the highest cost of living and the lowest teacher pay in the region? Why would anyone choose to start here? Get paid less and have to pay 1800/mo. for an apartment. So we get the teachers that cannot get a job in Arlington or in PW County.

all i can say is i'm done with this conversation, have proved my point, have proved the haters will never be satisified with anything. There is no point continuing this thread.

Let it die

angry person alert Wrote:
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> worthless asshole????

Yes, WORTHLESS ASSHOLES. Ignorant, nit-picking, anti-social dicks and dolts who don't want to contribute to ANY public enterprise at all. People who don't realize that we are a COMMUNITY here, and that FCPS is a vital component within it. Bright-shiny-objects hayseeds who can be stirred up and diverted into complete non-issues such as turf fields, Flip Flippen, and gender-neutral rest rooms. Nobody should listen to those idiots. Playing with them is like playing Whack-a-Mole. The rational people who can actually bring something meaningful to the table are the people that the School Board would like to hear from. I don't think you could be numbered among those however.

FCPS Bends Over Backwards Wrote:
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> To LISTEN!.. TO Illegals!
> The Only rights they have are the Right to be sent
> back home for Illegally entering the USA . Just
> Enforce The Law. And that's Reasonable.. not Angry..

Constitutional rights are held by ALL persons within US jurisdiction. Why do you hate America?

>Constitutional rights are held by ALL persons within US jurisdiction. Why do you hate America?

^^Sounds Good to Democrats But WAY Wrong, Yes illegals have rights to trial's and humane treatment, and many other rights the same as citizens. But they have NO Constitutional right to illegally enter the USA and stay here.

The real Question is WHY DO YOU HATE America and put the problems that people who Illegally enter America cause on the backs of the citizens?

And the answer is Future Votes For Democrats.

So Buzz Wordsmith : Why do you hate America?

In Reality... Wrote:
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> angry person alert Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > worthless asshole????
>
> Yes, WORTHLESS ASSHOLES. Ignorant, nit-picking,
> anti-social dicks and dolts who don't want to
> contribute to ANY public enterprise at all.
> People who don't realize that we are a COMMUNITY
> here, and that FCPS is a vital component within
> it. Bright-shiny-objects hayseeds who can be
> stirred up and diverted into complete non-issues
> such as turf fields, Flip Flippen, and
> gender-neutral rest rooms. Nobody should listen
> to those idiots. Playing with them is like
> playing Whack-a-Mole. The rational people who can
> actually bring something meaningful to the table
> are the people that the School Board would like to
> hear from. I don't think you could be numbered
> among those however.

Non issues?

Fairfax County set up a whole task force on the turf issue.

The School Board spent a whole day with public debate on the bathroom issue and it is not resolved.

Flip Flippen cost a school superintendent his job over fees, and a quick Google search will show that is at least a nationwide issue.

And what they all have in common is money. Just don't forget that Flippen hustled a district out of $10,000 to give a one hour speech!

Garza's refusal to put forth any program cuts first are akin to a wealthy wife saying, "I started using coupons. I do my own gardening now. But no I'm not cutting the country club. That's a level of service our family has come to expect. That's just asking too, too much. You just need to work more honey." Cut the f&*%ing country club Garza - immersion, fles, dial back services to the ESOL community etc... The community gave you plenty of suggestions. Start using them.

Why do you hate America? Wrote:
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> ^^Sounds Good to Democrats But WAY Wrong.

No, absolutely correct, as even you YOU, the big fat dipshit asshole, have to admit. What a waste of space you are.
Keep the illegals, deport the assholes!

> The real Question is WHY DO YOU HATE America and
> put the problems that people who Illegally enter
> America cause on the backs of the citizens?

Illegals are a NET PLUS to the economy. It's no-talent drag-ass dumbfucks like you who cause so many problems.

> And the answer is Future Votes For Democrats.

LOL! That's the same ridiculous waste-of-time answer that ALL fucktard braindead righ-wing asshole-trolls come up with. What a fucking coincidence. You have to be a citizen to vote in state and federal elections, dumbass. Illegals are not citizens.

> So Buzz Wordsmith : Why do you hate America?

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Actual America has always welcomed immigrants. You don't. You FEAR immigrants. Because you know only too well that you are nothing but a low-grade mindless un-American asshole who very much needs to be afraid of competition even from raw immigrants. Meanwhile, we have just lately begun to reach what was long the traditional level of foreign-born among the US population. Things have tapered off some over recent years, but as the baby-boomers retire in ever greater numbers, we will need many, many more immigrants to take their places and meet the growing demands for personal services that they will create. Be ready. One way or another, they are most definitely coming. Better run away and hide, you pathetic loser!

And Garza Begat A Non Issue? Wrote:
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> Non issues?

Yes, non-fucking issues. Stupid ass right-wing drizzle-shit nonsense unrelated to the actual performance and well-being of the school system. That's the sort of buttfuck stupid stuff that you brain-dead morons occupy yourselves with. Too fucking stupid by a long shot to come to terms with and engage on any actually serious matter.

When Cuts aren't Cuts Wrote:
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> Garza's refusal to put forth any program cuts...

You should just go fuck yourself, you dickless pathetic moron. FCPS has seen its budgets gutted by the state and county for the past decade. It isn't time for cuts any more, you simpleton dipshit. It's time to restore and reinvest in FCPS before dull-brained asswipes like you can manage to completely destroy the place. Idiot!

FCPS Bends Over Backwards Wrote:
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> To LISTEN!.. TO Illegals!
>
> The Only rights they have are the Right to be sent
> back home for Illegally entering the USA . Just
> Enforce The Law. And that's Reasonable.. not
> Angry..


We are led to believe that illegal aliens make one illegal act - crossing the border. That once here, they are law-abiding citizens that just want what's best for their family.

In fact, the criminality continues unabated once here. How do you live here illegally? Well, document fraud to start with, or identity theft. And if you are living under a false identity, what do you not do? You don't buy car insurance, or keep your car registered, or have a drivers license, or pay taxes. If you have an accident, you run away. If you visit the hospital, you skip out on the bill. And so on.

These are all things that no legal resident would get away with - you'd be hauled into court (criminal or civil) for any of the above. So we end up with this group that not only consumes a significant amount of social resources, but behaves illegally in many aspects of their life with impunity. Behaves in ways that law abiding citizens would be prosecuted for.

Ub7dF Wrote:
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> You don't buy car insurance, or keep your car registered...

LOL! You have to have insurance to be registered, and if you are not registered, you'll be pulled over very quickly, which is the last thing illegals want.

> ...or have a drivers license...

That's true. You make it close to impossible for them to get licenses, so they don't even try. They still have to drive though, so they make fake ones. Enjoy the blowback, dumbshit.

> or pay taxes.

Hahaha! Employers withhold and pay their taxes. What illegals don't do is file returns to get back all the refunds they are due. Billions of extra cash in the Treasury that was contributed by illegals who will never be able to get a dime's worth of services back for them.

> If you have an accident you run away.

Hit-and-run is common enough in any case.

> If you visit the hospital, you skip
> out on the bill.

Listen up, dumbfuck! Because of their status, illegals try to fly under the radar. They lay low and try to have as little to do with "the system" as possible. They do not call police or fire when they should. They refuse to talk or testify when they have witnessed or been the victim of a crime. They don't try to sign up for welfare programs. They don't go to the hospital unless they are near death.

> And so on.

All of which will be more piles of pointless ignorant bullshit.

> These are all things that no legal resident would
> get away with - you'd be hauled into court
> (criminal or civil) for any of the above.

That's bullshit as well. That's all you seem to have here -- pure, ignorant, dumbass bullshit.

Ub7dF Wrote:
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> FCPS Bends Over Backwards Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> In fact, the criminality continues unabated once
> here.

+1. Had a fender bender with illegal, no insurance. Made the mistake of not calling FCPD right then after many promises to call me with info - I ended up at the police station making out a police report for the insurance company for hit and run after ID I took pic of turned out to be fake. Cops just kind of shrugged - unless someone gets hurt, they don't even bother.

Hit from behind by white guy at Lisle and Route-7. Fake insurance info. Hit from behind by white girl at Old Lee and Military Road. Fake insurance info. White people suck.

More anecdotes Wrote:
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> Hit from behind by white guy at Lisle and Route-7.
> Fake insurance info. Hit from behind by white
> girl at Old Lee and Military Road. Fake insurance
> info. White people suck.


You take it in the rear frequently.

Soon we will need a meals tax just to try to pay for everything the county can't afford because FCPS is sucking us dry.

Is the admin to teacher ratio still .7?

NotAhonkey Wrote:
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> Is the admin to teacher ratio still .7?


it was never at .7

teacher to admin ratio has almost always been around a 4:1 ratio which is the national average.

Deep! Wrote:
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> NotAhonkey Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is the admin to teacher ratio still .7?
>
>
> it was never at .7
>
> teacher to admin ratio has almost always been
> around a 4:1 ratio which is the national average.

Take away the "teachers" who have no classes or classrooms and you will find that "support" costs are much higher than that.

Libs really suck.

> "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

We run this country with laws under the Constitution not some statue. And those that came thru Ellis Island came Legally back when there was no Welfare.
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>> And the answer is Future Votes For Democrats.

LOL! That's the same ridiculous waste-of-time answer that ALL fucktard braindead righ-wing asshole-trolls come up with

You Lying Sack of Shit, that's the Democrats talking points all right at work.
Of course its a plan to get future Democrat Voters. Once a Illegal is the parent of a US born Citizen that's it..Green Card then in due time citizenship.
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>but as the baby-boomers retire in ever greater numbers, we will need many, many more immigrants to take their places

More Lying Bullshit. That's why we have a Legal Immigration system.