Falls Church has a Muslim coach and a decent football team.

Footballssss Wrote:
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> Falls Church has a Muslim coach and a decent
> football team.

a) who cares and b) no

How is falls Church decent, they get destroyed everytime they play a team other than Stuart, Edison, TJ

They didn't even look good in the tournament they hosted over the weekend. If anything Falls Church is overrated and wont win there conference.

Falls Church played us in the final of there own tournament over the weekend. Robinson ended up beating them 20-14.

How did Robinson win a passing tournament? They only pass 2-3 times a game, right?

What??? Wrote:
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> How did Robinson win a passing tournament? They
> only pass 2-3 times a game, right?


Those dont mean shit. no pass rush with 7 players running routes? LOL

kaja Wrote:
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> What??? Wrote:
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> > How did Robinson win a passing tournament?
> They
> > only pass 2-3 times a game, right?
>
>
> Those dont mean shit. no pass rush with 7 players
> running routes? LOL

see how much you know its only 5 running routes QB and center don't count, lol

kaja Wrote:
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> What??? Wrote:
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> > How did Robinson win a passing tournament?
> They
> > only pass 2-3 times a game, right?
>
>
> Those dont mean shit. no pass rush with 7 players
> running routes? LOL

Must be a Falls Church player

kaja Wrote:
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> What??? Wrote:
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> > How did Robinson win a passing tournament?
> They
> > only pass 2-3 times a game, right?
>
>
> Those dont mean shit. no pass rush with 7 players
> running routes? LOL

Must be a Falls Church player

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They're just for show and in no way display anything other than the quality & speed of the skill players participating. You can have the best skill players in the county but if you can't block or tackle it doesn't matter.

Just Reported an hour ago, from the VA Pilot:

DeMatha Stags. Vs. Oscar Smith Tigers August 26th in Chesapeake, VA!!!! This should be a great test for both teams. New Head Coach Bill Dee, who won 4 State Titles @ Pheobus, will be tested in his fist game! FYI, the Tigers return virtually their whole team from 2015..

This Game was canceled just after Coach Morgan left town but Coach Dee apparently was able to get the game back.

I'll take DaMatha and give 10.5

No Problem, these games can go either way.

No Problem, these games can go either way.

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Wish you the best of luck, this is going to be a very tough game. Having watched Dematha dismantle Westfield over the past 5 years in the preseason, the Stags are no ordinary private high school team. It's almost like playing a division 2 or 3 college team.

Thanks, I am hoping that Coach Dee can make the difference. I believe his 4 State Titles @ Pheobus included 3 in a row. IF Smith can pull the upset, they MIGHT be saying Coach Richard, whoooooo?

AND I hope y'all meet vs Smith in Hampton in December. Big Rematches are always fun.

Having watched the steady procession of Dematha Athletes to elite Colleges and then the Pro's its like watching A D-1 college team...when you consistently place 10-15 athletes a year in big time D-1 Schools your insulting them by classifying them as a D-2, D-3 school. They do not simply have 1-3 elite athletes, they have 9-10 elite athletes on the field at any time. they have 2nd and 3rd string guys on the Bench that have Mulitiple D-1 offers...Smith will be challenged for certain. Both Teams However will be a lot better come Late October/November than August, as is evident by Westfields Success's following their early season pounding at the Hands of Dematha.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?State=MD

9 of the top 50 recruits in State of Maryland class of 2016 are from Dematha. 18% of top 50...and all are D-1 Commits.

when you Look at the Class of 2017, 2018, 2019 they have over 30 D-1 Prospects..with Multiple Offers...Football Factory!

Of course Dematha is a football factory as they should be, they get to openly recruit. Not taking a shot at them, just telling it like it is. Private schools should have their own separate ranking and public schools should have their own. Schools like Westfield and any other public school aren’t afforded the luxury to bring in kids from all over the area/country, unless you are a public school in other parts of the state where is transferring is rampant.

Moved to this area for work. Son is a very solid player.
Has the size, talent and grades to play at the next level.Can anyone tell me why Fairfax Division 5 schools are SO bad compared to Loudoun? Is it coaching? Demographics look pretty close, maybe Loudoun has more white kids, but they don't generally dominate high school football.
Let's be honest- colleges look longer and harder at kids from strong programs. Should we consider transfer? He has only been at Falls Church for one year, but seems like program is in decline.

Edgar Wrote:
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> Moved to this area for work. Son is a very solid
> player.
> Has the size, talent and grades to play at the
> next level.Can anyone tell me why Fairfax Division
> 5 schools are SO bad compared to Loudoun? Is it
> coaching? Demographics look pretty close, maybe
> Loudoun has more white kids, but they don't
> generally dominate high school football.
> Let's be honest- colleges look longer and harder
> at kids from strong programs. Should we consider
> transfer? He has only been at Falls Church for one
> year, but seems like program is in decline.

Wakefield is the strongest division 5 school in football in the Capitol conference 13, which includes the division 5A North schools closest to DC. Marshall is second in that conference with Falls Church not far behind. Don't sleep on Falls Church, but if you must move and crave better div 5 football, Marshall and Wakefield are the only other viable options. If you move up to 6A football, all the other Fairfax and Arlington schools become options.

FUckFooTBall Wrote:
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> Wonder what would happen if we spent as much money
> as we do on football on books for kids who can't
> afford them...


Do you refer to the kids who walk in to first period with their free breakfast while texting on the latest model I phone?

well what other teams are in 13 that r bad, I thought wakefield wasn't that good, n then marshall also. there is noway they could be number 2, unless I'm totally missing something

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> well what other teams are in 13 that r bad, I
> thought wakefield wasn't that good, n then
> marshall also. there is noway they could be
> number 2, unless I'm totally missing something

Wakefield has dominated the conference the last couple years or more. Marshall was close behind. Falls Church had a couple decent seasons, but was not as strong last year. All the other teams in conference 13 (Lee, Stuart, TJ, Edison) have been weak for years. Wakefield is the only conference 13 school that has played competitively against Loudon county teams, namely Potomac Falls. Wakefield won the conference title the last two years.

Overall there is better football among the 6A North schools, but Loudon has decent 5A and 4A football.

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> well what other teams are in 13 that r bad, I
> thought wakefield wasn't that good, n then
> marshall also. there is noway they could be
> number 2, unless I'm totally missing something


Before last season, Marshall was aligned in the old Liberty District that included 6a schools such as Fairfax, Langley, Madison, McLean, and South Lakes. TJ and Stonebridge were in that district as well. Marshall endured two consecutive winless seasons in that alignment. They got moved down to 5A, which is appropriate for their size, and now they have success. It was a good move for them, and they had a great 2015 campaign to show for it, but it also shows the disparity between 5A schools in Fairfax and 6A schools in Fairfax.

Guess couple of kids do or can make that much of a difference

Very much agreed that, thank god that Fairfax got rid of head coach Kevin Simonds. Maybe they can get more than one win now.

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> Guess couple of kids do or can make that much of a
> difference

More than a couple kids made a difference. And more kids are coming out for football at the better 5A schools. The conference realignment helped immensely. Neither Wakefield, Falls Church, or Marshall won many games at all in the old districts. New coaching also helped.

Well my family is new to the area moving from Pennsylvania, for work and my daughter and son will be attending Jeb Stuart, both are active in sports with Baseball football and lacrosse and softball. Don't know much about them, but my son said they have a new coach that about it. Without knowing too much about them I just see they weren't very good last year.

New enrollment numbers are out on the VHSL website and both Marshall and Stuart are getting bumped up to 6A starting in 2017. Edison missed out by one or two students. With the skyrocketing enrollments in Arlington, Wakefield is a lock to move up in the 2019 reclassification. Soon there may not be many "Northern Region" schools left in 5A.

football observer Wrote:
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> New enrollment numbers are out on the VHSL website
> and both Marshall and Stuart are getting bumped up
> to 6A starting in 2017. Edison missed out by one
> or two students. With the skyrocketing enrollments
> in Arlington, Wakefield is a lock to move up in
> the 2019 reclassification. Soon there may not be
> many "Northern Region" schools left in 5A.

The planned district groupings as approved by the VHSL will still likely hold together. So, the future District 5 with Edison, Falls Church, Jefferson, TJST, Lee, Marshall, Stuart, and Wakefield won't change. The district will just have both 5A and 6A schools. Now that Marshall and Wakefield are wining conference/district championships, they would not not want to leave to a more competitive district. Also, the other proposed 6A North districts are already full and no one is moving down in classification.

KKh7e

Anyone have any interesting observations on the 7-7 tournaments at Oakton and Westfield? Uninteresting comments will do...

Hayfield beat Falls Church in the final of the tournament at Westfield yesterday. Real football is right around the corner.

Kkh7e Wrote:
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> Hayfield beat Falls Church in the final of the
> tournament at Westfield yesterday. Real football
> is right around the corner.


Good for Hayfield. I thought they were losing a lot from last year's team, so this seems like good news for them for their upcoming season.

Blah22 Wrote:
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> Very much agreed that, thank god that Fairfax got
> rid of head coach Kevin Simonds. Maybe they can
> get more than one win now.


He wasn't fired, as this might imply, but he did step down.

I learned that Hayfield and Falls Church are pretty good at 7-7 football. I also learned that some high schools seem to take 7-7 a LOT more seriously than others.

and probably neither one will win their respective conferences

boredparent2 Wrote:
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> and probably neither one will win their respective
> conferences


Agreed. I look for South Lakes to win Liberty/Conference 6. I think Hayfield will do well, though.

I learned that Hayfield and Falls Church are pretty good at 7-7 football. I also learned that some high schools seem to take 7-7 a LOT more seriously than others.

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Yep, Westfield lost early in the playoff round last year as well as the previous few years. It's nice for the skill position guys, also let's the coaches see what they've got coverage wise as well. But blocking & tackling always have been the primary fundamentals that wins football games. You can have all the skill in the world on offense, if you can't block you're not getting very far.

Is Hayfield actually going to do anything this year? And what's the reason that Westfield or some other team don't come away with the 7v7 championship?

Bulldog Booster Wrote:
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> Yep, Westfield lost

Mr. Bulldog Booster - is Cockrill getting any D1 offers? He stood out to me more than almost any other player I saw all day.

Is Hayfield actually going to do anything this year? And what's the reason that Westfield or some other team don't come away with the 7v7 championship?

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Not sure about the Hayfield question but I can take a stab at the Westfield one. They always have well coached teams, and a team is what wins, not individuals. Look at last years team, only 3 D1 athletes, two of the three not playing football at the next level. Scanlon is basketball(Boston University), Aiello wrestling(UVA). The only one playing football is Clancy(Navy), and he missed all but the first 4 or 5 games. Bottom line is skill positions help to win games but all the talent in the world typically doesn't beat coaching. Also, once again, if you can't block or tackle, you're probably not going to win too many games.

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> Yep, Westfield lost

Mr. Bulldog Booster - is Cockrill getting any D1 offers? He stood out to me more than almost any other player I saw all day.

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No offers yet but this is his junior season. Word is he's destined to be a lineman at the next level. Either way he, Jewell, Frimpong, and Johnson will be the kids that eventually probably get offers. Petrillo is a lacrosse player so he's excluded from the discussion as far as football scholarships go.

Coach Henderson is doing a great job at Hayfield, they have to be the favorite to win the region this year.

Absolutely cannot wait for this season guys. Gonna be really really crazy. Yes sir.

Bulldog Booster Wrote:
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> Bulldog Booster Wrote:
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> > Yep, Westfield lost
>
> Mr. Bulldog Booster - is Cockrill getting any D1
> offers? He stood out to me more than almost any
> other player I saw all day.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> -------
>
> No offers yet but this is his junior season. Word
> is he's destined to be a lineman at the next
> level. Either way he, Jewell, Frimpong, and
> Johnson will be the kids that eventually probably
> get offers. Petrillo is a lacrosse player so he's
> excluded from the discussion as far as football
> scholarships go.

You missed one.
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Virginia-lands-commitment-No-11--45966402

Bulldog Booster Wrote:
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> Bulldog Booster Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------
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> > Yep, Westfield lost
>
> Mr. Bulldog Booster - is Cockrill getting any D1
> offers? He stood out to me more than almost any
> other player I saw all day.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> -------
>
> No offers yet but this is his junior season. Word
> is he's destined to be a lineman at the next
> level. Either way he, Jewell, Frimpong, and
> Johnson will be the kids that eventually probably
> get offers. Petrillo is a lacrosse player so he's
> excluded from the discussion as far as football
> scholarships go.

You missed one.
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Virginia-lands-commitment-No-11--45966402

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Good for him.

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> Coach Henderson is doing a great job at Hayfield,
> they have to be the favorite to win the region
> this year

they haven't advanced any further than their last coach took them, 1st round playoff exits

Don't be surprised if Eckert, their most talented receiver, who got injured on the very first series of the very first pool play game, on a spectacular TD catch over 3 defenders gets more offers than anyone else on this years squad, VMI has offered him in Lacrosse, look for the Football offers to start rolling in mid- late October...6-4" deceptive speed 4.6, great vertical 30" Plus... great hands...

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> Don't be surprised if Eckert, their most talented
> receiver, who got injured on the very first series
> of the very first pool play game, on a spectacular
> TD catch over 3 defenders gets more offers than
> anyone else on this years squad, VMI has offered
> him in Lacrosse, look for the Football offers to
> start rolling in mid- late October...6-4"
> deceptive speed 4.6, great vertical 30" Plus...
> great hands...

Interesting to see you say this. I saw him play a number of times last year and I thought he was easily their best WR. Very consistent. Makes every catch. That being said there is no way he has 4.6 speed...

RydellllRoad Wrote:
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> Scout Wrote:
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> > Don't be surprised if Eckert, their most
> talented
> > receiver, who got injured on the very first
> series
> > of the very first pool play game, on a
> spectacular
> > TD catch over 3 defenders gets more offers than
> > anyone else on this years squad, VMI has
> offered
> > him in Lacrosse, look for the Football offers
> to
> > start rolling in mid- late October...6-4"
> > deceptive speed 4.6, great vertical 30" Plus...
> > great hands...
>
> Interesting to see you say this. I saw him play a
> number of times last year and I thought he was
> easily their best WR. Very consistent. Makes
> every catch. That being said there is no way he
> has 4.6 speed...


I had always thought Frimpong was their most talented receiver and that the off field things were just holding him back. Is Eckert seriously much better than him?

Eckert turned the fastest time of any Westfield athlete at SPARQ testing a few weeks back....he ran below a 4.7 which makes him a 4.6 guy True-AP

Eckert was the un-sung offensive Hero weeks 1-7 probably 1-10 last year

I do not care what intangibles you bring to the field or off-field if your not catching the ball as a WR. Eckert flat Catches the ball.

Frimpong may look the Part, Eckert is the Part!

Frimpong has a few offers currently, not taking away from his potential, it simply has not shown itself since freshmen year, he will play for someone though.

Eckert turned the fastest time of any Westfield athlete at SPARQ testing a few weeks back....he ran below a 4.7 which makes him a 4.6 guy True-AP

Eckert was the un-sung offensive Hero weeks 1-7 probably 1-10 last year

I do not care what intangibles you bring to the field or off-field if your not catching the ball as a WR. Eckert flat Catches the ball.

Frimpong may look the Part, Eckert is the Part!

Frimpong has a few offers currently, not taking away from his potential, it simply has not shown itself since freshmen year, he will play for someone though.

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Agree with all of this, though Clancy played pretty well on offense till he was injured.

I do believe that Eckert is probably their most underrated player, that won't last once they start throwing the ball to him.

Also agree that Frimpong needs to step up, seems like a solid athlete but just hasn't set himself apart from the rest.

Just hope everyone stays out of trouble this year.....

Hayfield should be challenging for the conference title. They are loaded at skill positions with a big strong o-line and lots of athletes all over the field. If coached coached right the sky is the limit. I saw them at the Westfield tourney, looked impressive even though 7 v 7 means nothing when it comes to August through November. Someone said it right - if you can't block or tackle, you're probably not going to win too many games.

Enough about Westfield. Seems to me the big question of the fall season is: will this be the year that South County finally breaks through and wins a state championship? They were not quite there last year but I have to admire the program that has been put together in Lorton. There are improvements every single year and I think they are on their way to becoming a perennial powerhouse like Westfield and Stone Bridge.

They have a lot of talent returning this season: e.g. Dillon Spalding, Michael Salisbury, Christian Massie, Nate Avery, Garrett Reaves, etc…

SoCo wrested control of the Patriot Conference 7 from Lake Braddock last year and I don’t think they will give it up in 2016.

Thoughts?

Until South County learns to Lose with Humility they will Never Win Anything..I bet Salisbury didn't show any of the Service Academies His Last Highlight from Last Year..that 15 Yard Unsportsmanlike Conduct on the last Play when he Leveled a Defenseless kid from Behind...Admire That in fact there were 2 such penalties on that Play, preceded by one of the worst player outburst in the Northern Region, just a few Plays early that lead to an ejection...CLASSLESS in LORTON...oh and LB is LOADED this Year...look for another 9-0 Matchup and LB Kicking the Stallion Ass!

FUck all these teams, I like Herndon

Heard that Oakton really got burned last weekend at their own place (7v7). No QB or secondary per friend. Oakton will be beat by MADison this year, and Warhawks are taking the Liberty!

Oakton Madison Wrote:
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> Heard that Oakton really got burned last weekend
> at their own place (7v7). No QB or secondary per
> friend. Oakton will be beat by MADison this year,
> and Warhawks are taking the Liberty!


This proves nothing. Football is still played in the trenches, and as I understand it, Oakton has two Offensive Linemen who have D-1 offers. Oakton doesn't have the same level of talent as Westfield, but they have a respectable program. I look for them to finish 4th in Concorde this year, behind Westfield, Centreville, and Robo, and ahead of Chantilly and Herndon.

Madison's best case for winning Liberty is their lower level programs were the most successful of all Liberty teams. But they lost a lot to graduation. I think South Lakes is the team to beat in Liberty this year.

Understand that Centreville might be back in the mix this year as a competitive team. Not the same as a few years ago but better than last year and could give teams like Westfield and others a run for their money. What does anyone know about those rumors?

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> Understand that Centreville might be back in the
> mix this year as a competitive team. Not the same
> as a few years ago but better than last year and
> could give teams like Westfield and others a run
> for their money. What does anyone know about
> those rumors?

Westfield class of 18 and 19 seem to be some of their best classes in a while. I don't see CVille challenging them in any way.

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> Understand that Centreville might be back in the
> mix this year as a competitive team. Not the same
> as a few years ago but better than last year and
> could give teams like Westfield and others a run
> for their money. What does anyone know about
> those rumors?


Centreville certainly has some good players – RB JGarrett (offer from Army), DL CBrooks (UVA commit), QB JSiler, WR ICulver e.g. But they lost a lot of their best footballers (again) and wonder if they have enough of the grinders to rise to the top of the Concorde. They have great coaching and program though so can’t imagine they will have two losing seasons in a row.

what do you mean Cville lost a lot of grinders - to graduation or to kids transferring to other schools?

Will be an interesting season for Centreville. With the rise of Robinson recently it's difficult for Westfield, Centreville, and Robinson to all be at the top since they all play each other. I don't think Westfield is going to drop off a whole lot the next few years. That leaves Centeville and Robinson battling for the other contender spot. Haddock is much more experienced than the guy at Robinson so you would think they would win a battle of equally matched teams. Look for Centreville to knock Robinson back to where they had been the past few years.

What meant? Just they lost via graduation a number of tough football players that aren't necessarily the flashy attention-getting types. From last year's squad I think of guys like RNewell, AHorner e.g.

Seems like Robinson, Cville, Lake Braddock, SOCO, maybe West Springfield will duke it out with Westfield for region honors.....in other words sounds like business as usual.

Why is Falls Church's Muslim football coach brought up so much here? I mean who cares that he is Muslim!!!

Unless he is getting delay of game penalties for stopping to pray, who fucking cares what religion he is....your the same Troll that keeps bringing his religion up....

"You are"

Can we please stop taking about Falls Church, there trash

"They 're" or "They are"

Seems like Robinson, Cville, Lake Braddock, SOCO, maybe West Springfield will duke it out with Westfield for region honors.....in other words sounds like business as usual.



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I bet Braddock/SOCO/Centreville will come back strong this year and Westfield will rest on its laurels a bit esp since some of the returners are the dixie cuppers from last year.

I saw RRS&E put out a pre-season Top 10 for NOVA:

Rank Team
1 Westfield
2 South County
3 Tuscarora
4 Robinson
5 Lake Braddock
6 West Potomac
7 South Lakes
8 West Springfield
9 Hylton
10 Wakefield

Why Tusky so high? As good as those Loudoun teams are they showed last year that they didn't have mettle play with the best of Fairfax - the top 4 from Fairfax last year got stronger and stronger (Wfd, SoCo, LB, Rob) as the year progressed while the Loudoun teams faded at the end giving up like 50 points per game.

Are Ellis, Miles and Muskett really that good to warrant their teams such a high ranking (WP, SL, WS)?

Does anyone think Hylton is really better than Battlefield?

Tusky is ranked that high because they are 20-0 over the past two regular seasons.

They lost a lot though, and it will really be a test for Burnett this year.

Fortunately for them, all of the top teams in Loudoun are down a bit this year.

Still, Attach a File, what are you talking about? None of the Loudoun schools

have over 1800 kids and they still beat the crap out of many of the Fairfax schools.

Ask Centreville how they enjoyed playing Broad Run and Tusky. I think they gave up 100 in the two games combined.

Take the 7000 kids that make up the top four Loudoun programs and combine them into three schools, and they roll every Fairfax team every year except maybe Braddock and Westfield.

Also, the pre-season top 10 is a joke. Wakefield? Ha - they lost to Broad run by more than 30 last year before fattening up against the God-awful Fairfax and Arlington D5 schools.

South Lakes would finish last if they played all of the Ashburn teams and Tusky.

West Springfield? Didn't they lost to the worst Briar Woods team in that school's history last year too?

Loudoun sucks

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> "They 're" or "They are"


We get it you're the coach for Falls Church how about instead of being so worried about what people say about your team you actually teach your players how to play

Loudoun Fan Wrote:
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> Tusky is ranked that high because they are 20-0
> over the past two regular seasons.
>
> They lost a lot though, and it will really be a
> test for Burnett this year.

That was sort of my point.


> Fortunately for them, all of the top teams in
> Loudoun are down a bit this year.


I don’t think so. Stone Bridge looks to be very strong this year – I would rank them #1 in Loudoun pre-season.


> Still, Attach a File, what are you talking about?
> None of the Loudoun schools
>
> have over 1800 kids and they still beat the crap
> out of many of the Fairfax schools.

Who cares about attendance? Are we talking about football or school membership? That is mostly irrelevant to the success of a football program. Smaller schools (ever hear of Loudoun County?) can do very well and larger schools frequently suck.


> Ask Centreville how they enjoyed playing Broad Run
> and Tusky. I think they gave up 100 in the two
> games combined.

BR and Tusky were fortunate to have caught Centreville in a rare losing season – they were nowhere near the best of Fairfax last year – if they had played them any of the previous four years the result would have likely have been the exact opposite. That being said it will interesting to see how Centreville does in the rematches this year.


> Take the 7000 kids that make up the top four
> Loudoun programs and combine them into three
> schools, and they roll every Fairfax team every
> year except maybe Braddock and Westfield.

Sure, maybe some years. But every year – I doubt it. Anyway, my point was that Westfield, South County, Lake Braddock and Robinson – the best of Fairfax county – were a step above any of the Loudoun teams last year. That is all I meant. Nothing more. And it’s just my opinion. I’d have no problem stating otherwise if I thought it was true. Apparently you don’t agree. And I don’t think attendance has much to do with it. The five Potomac teams in Loudoun probably have more kids going out for football than any five schools in Fairfax County.

Get tired of the smaller schools mantra: “Oh, look at us, we are so small but we still win, we are so special and that makes us doubly good.” “Oh, look at them – they are big school – of course they win, they deserve no credit at all; in fact, if they don’t win that makes them doubly bad.”

I just heard a lot last year about how much better Loudoun football was than Fairfax football and in the end I felt like the top 4 teams in the North were from Fairfax. Perhaps I will think differently after this coming season.

> Also, the pre-season top 10 is a joke. Wakefield?
> Ha - they lost to Broad run by more than 30 last
> year before fattening up against the God-awful
> Fairfax and Arlington D5 schools.

Agreed.

> South Lakes would finish last if they played all
> of the Ashburn teams and Tusky.

Agreed.


> West Springfield? Didn't they lost to the worst
> Briar Woods team in that school's history last
> year too?

They also faded at the end of the season. By then everyone figured out they were a one-trick pony.

Coach Scott is taking Annandale all the way this year!

Size does matter when it comes to football, there is a reason they have D5 and D6. Then you throw in the challenging demographics that some schools face and it makes it even more clear that schools like South County, Hayfield, South Lakes, WL and Yorktown are even more impressive with the cards they are dealt.

Westfield will be the team to beat in the region. CV even though well coached will struggle again this year. Their last two freshmen teams were not that strong. LB will be tough but somehow they always find a way to choke in the post-season. SoCo will be in the tops of the region, but they lost a lot from last year and their lower programs struggled recently. Robinson will be your typical power team and if they can mix in some passing, watch out for them. West Springfield will be down from last year but with their QB they should be above 500, real weak lower programs the last few years. West Po will be tough this year. For the life of me I can’t figure out how TCW is not successful. They have the largest enrollment in the area but yet can’t find a way to get the wins. Hopefully the new coach will find success.

In the Patriot, South Lakes has some athletes and are well coached, they could surprise some teams, they do have a weak out of conference schedule but should be challenging for the conference title along with Hayfield. Hayfield has a few transfers who should help out immediately, athletes similar to SL, strong lower programs the last 3 years which should put them in place right alongside of South Lakes fighting it out for the title. Madison won’t be nearly as strong as last year but are well coached and had strong lower programs last year. Yorktown may struggle some this year, weak lower program but are always well coached. WL could be the dark horse for the conference although their lower programs were way down last year, they do have a Gonzaga transfer that will help. McLean, Fairfax and Langley need to make some huge improvements to be in the mix for the conference.

It all starts with official practice in about two weeks

novafb Wrote:
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> Size does matter when it comes to football, there
> is a reason they have D5 and D6. Then you throw
> in the challenging demographics that some schools
> face and it makes it even more clear that schools
> like South County, Hayfield, South Lakes, WL and
> Yorktown are even more impressive with the cards
> they are dealt.


> In the Patriot, South Lakes has some athletes...


Your assessment makes no sense. The demographics of the schools you list aren't "challenging." (You also mislabeled them as being in the Patriot. Only South County is in the Patriot. The others are in the Liberty.)

First of all South County, South Lakes, WL and Yorktown all have substantial middle and upper middle class populations that generally fuel successful teams. Hayfield and South County have a lot of military kids and families which helps sports like football. Yorktown demographically is just like Madison and Langley, but with even more white kids. South Lakes was helped by the major boundary changes a few years ago that brought more athletes and more students into its neighborhood zone. W-L within the decade will likely be the largest school in the Northern Region with over 3,000 students. It'll be interesting to see if W-L regains the football power status it had from the 30s-70s when it was the largest school in the state. The D6 North Arlington high schools (W-L and Yorktown) might have issues with less kids coming out for football because of the concussion scare, but that's it. The wealthy, liberal parents in Arlington can be overprotective but the situation is not dire like in McLean where the JV team forfeited games.

The schools with real demographic challenges include Annandale, which lost its best athletes and middle class community support to devastating boundary changes in 2011, Herndon, which has a rapidly changing population, and D5 schools like Stuart, where most of the players have no prior football experience. TC Williams despite its large size, has yet to bring back the football glory of the 70s and 80s.

novafb Wrote:
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> Size does matter when it comes to football, there
> is a reason they have D5 and D6. Then you throw
> in the challenging demographics that some schools
> face and it makes it even more clear that schools
> like South County, Hayfield, South Lakes, WL and
> Yorktown are even more impressive with the cards
> they are dealt.
>
> Westfield will be the team to beat in the region.
> CV even though well coached will struggle again
> this year. Their last two freshmen teams were not
> that strong. LB will be tough but somehow they
> always find a way to choke in the post-season.
> SoCo will be in the tops of the region, but they
> lost a lot from last year and their lower programs
> struggled recently. Robinson will be your typical
> power team and if they can mix in some passing,
> watch out for them. West Springfield will be down
> from last year but with their QB they should be
> above 500, real weak lower programs the last few
> years. West Po will be tough this year. For the
> life of me I can’t figure out how TCW is not
> successful. They have the largest enrollment in
> the area but yet can’t find a way to get the
> wins. Hopefully the new coach will find success.
>
> In the Patriot, South Lakes has some athletes and
> are well coached, they could surprise some teams,
> they do have a weak out of conference schedule but
> should be challenging for the conference title
> along with Hayfield. Hayfield has a few transfers
> who should help out immediately, athletes similar
> to SL, strong lower programs the last 3 years
> which should put them in place right alongside of
> South Lakes fighting it out for the title.
> Madison won’t be nearly as strong as last year
> but are well coached and had strong lower programs
> last year. Yorktown may struggle some this year,
> weak lower program but are always well coached.
> WL could be the dark horse for the conference
> although their lower programs were way down last
> year, they do have a Gonzaga transfer that will
> help. McLean, Fairfax and Langley need to make
> some huge improvements to be in the mix for the
> conference.
>
> It all starts with official practice in about two
> weeks


I honestly don't think size really has a lot to do with success. Take Westfield for example. They just had their best year of athletics with 2600 kids, while in the past they had 3000+ kids consistently and one year they were at 3300, but they weren't really as good. Yes they lost a lot of athletes from their wealthiest feeder (Floris), but that doesn't seem to be a factor at all for them.

novafb Wrote:
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>
>
> > In the Patriot, South Lakes has some athletes and
> are well coached, they could surprise some teams,
> they do have a weak out of conference schedule but
> should be challenging for the conference title
> along with Hayfield. Hayfield has a few transfers
> who should help out immediately, athletes similar
> to SL, strong lower programs the last 3 years
> which should put them in place right alongside of
> South Lakes fighting it out for the title.
> Madison won’t be nearly as strong as last year
> but are well coached and had strong lower programs
> last year. Yorktown may struggle some this year,
> weak lower program but are always well coached.
> WL could be the dark horse for the conference
> although their lower programs were way down last
> year, they do have a Gonzaga transfer that will
> help. McLean, Fairfax and Langley need to make
> some huge improvements to be in the mix for the
> conference.
>
> It all starts with official practice in about two
> weeks


I would assess the prospects for Conference 6 way differently. First, I'd agree with you that South Lakes is probably the favorite to win. I would put Madison in second, on the strength of the success of their lower level programs, which were the most successful of all teams in conference 6. Hayfield, I believe, lost a couple of key players on offense, so I'm not sure that they will be contending. WL and Yorktown are well coached, but depth is an issue for them. WL in particular lost just about everyone, and their lower level programs last year were not successful. Fairfax and Langley had disappointing seasons last year. I think Langley's was an aberration, and they were a better team than their record indicated. Fairfax's problem last year was poor coaching, but that's been fixed. I do agree that McLean should struggle this year.

My prediction is

1. South Lakes
2. Madison
3. Hayfield
4. Langley
5. Fairfax
6. Yorktown
7. W-L
8. McLean

I think you can divide up the best teams into a few subgroups.

Group A
Westfield
South County

Group B
Lake Braddock
Robinson
Battlefield

Group C
Centreville
West Springfield
South Lakes
West Potomac

Group A are the favorites. Group B teams have a chance. Group C teams could win a playoff game or two, but I don't think they will be good enough to win the region.
Out of the teams in group B Braddock and Battlefield appear to return a lot of talent. Robinson has put together a solid coaching staff and has a few players returning.

VHSL Rankings are OUT. www.vhsl-reference.com Let the Debates begin:

Who's Over Rated?

Who's the surprise team that's under rated?

Who's already had significant injuries to affect their teams season?

Will Robinson use the forward pass?

757 Wrote:
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> VHSL Rankings are OUT. www.vhsl-reference.com
> Let the Debates begin:
>
> Who's Over Rated?
> South County

> Who's the surprise team that's under rated?
> Battlefield

> Who's already had significant injuries to affect
> their teams season?
> ??

> Will Robinson use the forward pass?
No and they may not need to.

OK

What Team Lost significant talent to transfers out?

What Team improved with transfers into their program?

Hey 757 fan get the fucc out of here - with a handle like that you represent a bunch of lying, cheating teams down there, what a joke should not even be in the VHSL. Glad teams like Westfield, Centreville, etc have kicked your team's cheating asses in past number of years. Hey lets all transfer to one school like Ocean Lakes or Oscar Smith and VHSL just turns their heads......what a punch of pussies

I agree, thanks for calling that out FUCC. whatever happens at states each year I consider the Northern Region rep to be the real state champ. Of course there is always funny biz with transfers around the edges even in the Northern Region but it is rampant in the 757. Cheaters delight down there.

Touchy aren't WE. Immature, insecure high school kids are funny. A little lesson in life: Excuses are for losers & no one cares! See y'all in Hampton in December, IF your mother lets you take the fan bus down here! In, the mean time, I'll know I can chime in here when I need a laugh or 2!

another example, now they are having the 6A title in Hampton, 757 coaches must really be sucking VHSL dix....

Who wants to go to rat infested Hampton to see a game, at least Charlottesville semi enjoyable and in the middle of the state....

Complaints & Excuses: BUT Still Funny. Keep it coming! Not sure where the rat infestation reference for Hampton is going but VHSL MIGHT be rewarding the city for dominating State Championships from the area. Good luck in finding any locale that has won more football titles between Hampton HS & Pheobus HS. BUT your not old enough to have learned respect. That's clear!

BTW what are the alternative State Game sites in NOVA? No College Football teams, right? Maybe you have a nice soccer pitch or 2 but Football...... Come ON MAN, you got nuttin!

What are you even on this forum for lol. Anyways, I also agree with the fact that the 757 are a bunch of cheaty McCheaters who will do anything and suck anything for a W. Y'all went through all that trouble and all that heartbreak, just to lose to a 703 team THAT PLAYED BY THE RULES. All that D1-bound assembly don't mean shit if you cannot produce results. I'm not a Westfield fan, but I can't lie, they deserved to win more than y'all did. And I pray to my God that the 703 takes it all home again this year.

Centerville is done ...they should never ever be talked about on this,forum again..was been has been etc..they will never amount to anything but a bottom feeder team...coaches don't care,anymore and the players are a joke

Complaints & Excuses: BUT Still Funny. Keep it coming! Not sure where the rat infestation reference for Hampton is going but VHSL MIGHT be rewarding the city for dominating State Championships from the area. Good luck in finding any locale that has won more football titles between Hampton HS & Pheobus HS. BUT your not old enough to have learned respect. That's clear!

BTW what are the alternative State Game sites in NOVA? No College Football teams, right? Maybe you have a nice soccer pitch or 2 but Football...... Come ON MAN, you got nuttin!

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757, I've always enjoyed your insight and response on this board, you seem to be a well knowledgeable football fan and passionate about your team/teams. But now you're stooping to the level of those who began antagonizing you. Please don't stoop to their level, lets talk football and not sling insults.

Yes Hampton and Phoebus have had some power houses in the past. But to say the beach labeled schools have dominated high school football, at least over the past 17 seasons, is a stretch. If you look at the VHSL site and see what their final ranking are for 6A/5A since 1999 NOVA has had 9 teams finish #1, beach 8.

In class 6A dating back to 1999 NOVA has won the title 11 times, Beach 4, Central 2. In class 5A over the same period Beach has won 10 times, Central 6, NOVA 1. SO, that's a combined 14 titles for the Beach, 12 for NOVA, and 8 for Central. That's not domination, seems to be pretty damn close, I don't use 4A and down since there are not many 4A or lower schools in NOVA.

And to say we don't have any college football teams isn't exactly true. Though they're not in our state, the University of Maryland and Navy are only a little over an hour drive away. Since NOVA is considered to be party of the so called "DMV" & I'm not referring to the Department of Motor Vehicles for you smart asses, I'd say I'm not too far off in my logic.

Let's just stick to talking about football here on this thread and leave the insults elsewhere. To those who say anyone from the 757 has no business being on this board I think you're incorrect. Let's face it, it's typically NOVA vs. 757 in the championships so why not have some insight from our rivals on here afterall.

It has been a while since Hampton's last State Title but no VA team can compare to what they accomplished.

2 High School Football National Championships (1996, 1997)
17 VHSL State football Championships {10 in AAA (1936, 1942, 1948, 1950, 1969, 1975, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1985); two in AAA Division 6 (1986, 1988); five in AAA Division 5 (1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2005)}

Pheobus is in Hampton too:

7 seven VHSL State Division 5 Championships in 11 years, including five in six seasons and four straight (2001, '02, '06, '08, '09, '10, '11) I believe they were #4 Ranked team Nationally in 2010.


I am a Smith Homer. I couldn't be more excited about the upcoming season because, our new coach, Bill Dee, lead Phoebus to those above State Championships. BUT I realize they have a long way to go reach the level of Hampton.

Westfield
Robinson
Centreville
Oakton
Chantilly
Herndon

Robinson upsets Westfield, and Herndon beats Chantilly (just like 2014). Centerville feeds on lower teams (Chantilly, Oakton, Herndon) but can't beat legitimate teams ( WF, ROBO). Oakton stuns ROBO, and beats lower teams, but is shamed against upper teams. WF dominates but loses to ROBO. Herndon has a shot against Tilly and Oakton.
Look for Westfield to dominate in playoffs and win another title but be careful for ROBO, always been a good team.

There have been reports of 757 schools like Smith, Ocean Lakes, Hampton, Phoebus, providing "scholarships" to players to come play at their schools. They just rotate each couple years. Why did the coaches of Smith and Ocean Lakes leave because they got found out and are getting ahead of any sanctions. Cheaters city down there. Everyone knows it, but no one in VHSL has any nut sacks to do anything about it.

Yep, also heard they threw parties for the transfers, brought along hookers, everything. They treat these high school down there like college campuses. Really sad state of affairs. But still the Northern Region comes out on top most of the time. And by the way I do not give a shit about lower level Hampton High. The real football in VA is played at the 6A level.

Concorde Pedictions Wrote:
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> Westfield
> Robinson
> Centreville
> Oakton
> Chantilly
> Herndon
>
> Robinson upsets Westfield, and Herndon beats
> Chantilly (just like 2014). Centerville feeds on
> lower teams (Chantilly, Oakton, Herndon) but can't
> beat legitimate teams ( WF, ROBO). Oakton stuns
> ROBO, and beats lower teams, but is shamed against
> upper teams. WF dominates but loses to ROBO.
> Herndon has a shot against Tilly and Oakton.
> Look for Westfield to dominate in playoffs and win
> another title but be careful for ROBO, always been
> a good team.


Robinson?? Who have they beaten in the past few years? Until they get some new coaches and better players they will continue to be pretenders.