This is not going to be some small quaint brewery. They are expecting to hold 1.500 people in this space................ Please do your homework before you "OK" these plans

Progress is Coming Wrote:
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> Clifton has about three run-down stores in its
> crappy downtown. A brewery will greatly improve
> the area.

LOL. You clearly haven't been to Clifton recently.

Clifton Cardinal Wrote:
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> Progress is Coming Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Clifton has about three run-down stores in its
> > crappy downtown. A brewery will greatly
> improve
> > the area.

Clifton needs something to improve the area. It's basically a couple of horse farms and some old crappy houses from the 40's.

Its not 1500 people at the same time, it's a MAXIMUM ESTIMATE throughout a busy day like a weekend. What's that average out to hour?

My family and I live in Clifton and we are not the "old curmudgeons," "rich libs," or any other name that many of you have tossed out. In fact, with each post it seems more apparent that most of the people on this forum haven't been to Clifton at all lately. Very few of the people living in Clifton have horse farms and many of them are younger couples with small children and growing families. We moved here because we liked the feel of a close-knit community that wasn't overrun by industrial interests, or else we would've stayed in South Riding. I don't mind a brewery personally, but the size and scope of this is a little bit absurd. To say that Clifton needs this to grow economically is equally stupid. Would it be nice to have a small brewery, sure. But I certainly don't want the Clifton environment to get messed up and the log jam of traffic rolling down Clifton road on the weekend to get longer. And don't argue that it is being built to help Clifton yokels; if Clifton wasn't thriving, they wouldn't plan a business right outside of town.

C'mon now Wrote:
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> My family and I live in Clifton and we are not the
> "old curmudgeons," "rich libs," or any other name
> that many of you have tossed out. In fact, with
> each post it seems more apparent that most of the
> people on this forum haven't been to Clifton at
> all lately. Very few of the people living in
> Clifton have horse farms and many of them are
> younger couples with small children and growing
> families. We moved here because we liked the feel
> of a close-knit community that wasn't overrun by
> industrial interests, or else we would've stayed
> in South Riding. I don't mind a brewery
> personally, but the size and scope of this is a
> little bit absurd. To say that Clifton needs this
> to grow economically is equally stupid. Would it
> be nice to have a small brewery, sure. But I
> certainly don't want the Clifton environment to
> get messed up and the log jam of traffic rolling
> down Clifton road on the weekend to get longer.
> And don't argue that it is being built to help
> Clifton yokels; if Clifton wasn't thriving, they
> wouldn't plan a business right outside of town.

Man, some of the Clifton asses are so tight, you couldn't get a needle out of them with a tractor.

Well, I'll enjoy the new brewery's beer even more, knowing that some Clifton assholes didn't want the brewery there. Cheers!

The people talking about this being a huge brewery are out of their minds. Making it seem like Budweiser is building the damn thing. Some crazy ass lunatics living there

It's not even 1500 people. I spoke to my buddy at the county. That was a worst case scenario number for their engineering requirements. How do you put 1500 people in a parking lot with 100 spaces? This whole thing is getting way blown out of proportion.

Can anyone provide a schedule for this project? For example, how long until the good people of Clifton stop complaining about this cool project, how long for them to build the brewery and then, and most importantly, HOW LONG BEFORE I CAN SIT BACK WITH MY FRIENDS AND ENJOY A PINT OF LOCAL CRAFT BEER?

When is this place opening up? Any firm dates! Looking forward to it!

Called around to a couple of politicians & county officials to figure out what all the fuss is about.. after hearing the facts I'm much more excited to see this place open for business.

WAIT A MINUTE! LOUDMOUTH hasn't opened yet or started brewing yet. Are they selling beer that is not theirs but portraying it to be?

Sure a public notice sign was posted, in a snow storm and then quickly removed.

Cindy S Wrote:
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> When is this place opening up? Any firm dates!
> Looking forward to it!

I think they are planning for a Summer opening of the small tasting room.

Very exciting news for Clifton. Brings a touch class to the area.

Villagio presents Clifton wine festival

I wonder who will be collecting the money at this event? Last time I went my credit card statement read capital roofing.

Cash is hard to follow......I wonder if Clifton has a chance to audit the numbers on this????


Sounds real sketchy

Skip the fucking wine festivals. Wine festivals are freak zones of drunks.

Dear Factual,
VERY nice guy indeed, but please know that he is a salesman of sorts. He is selling himself in order to build his empire. NOTHING wrong with a man wanting to build an empire. That's what America is all about. That being said, ALL of us have things or have done things we don't want others to know about, but what some may have witnessed. Those "things" can have a lasting effect on how one might see another in a different light.

Robert Wrote:
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> It's not even 1500 people. I spoke to my buddy at
> the county. That was a worst case scenario number
> for their engineering requirements. How do you put
> 1500 people in a parking lot with 100 spaces?
> This whole thing is getting way blown out of
> proportion.



They park on the grass and along my road.....dumbass

Villagio presents Clifton wine festival

I wonder who will be collecting the money at this event? Last time I went my credit card statement read capital roofing.

Cash is hard to follow......I wonder if Clifton has a chance to audit the numbers on this????


Someone pocketing some money?

Villagio presents Clifton wine festival. I wonder who will be collecting the money at this event? Last time I went my credit card statement read capital roofing.Cash is hard to follow......I wonder if Clifton has a chance to audit the numbers on this???? Someone pocketing some money?

Hope this helps. The Clifton Wine Festival has brought in an average of $25k to 30K a year for the last 8 years and every dime of the profit goes to the Town of Clifton. The town provides the space and a few dedicated area residents volunteer their time. Everything else is done by Marcus and his team. For the months of work it takes to put on the event, he gets to name the event whatever he wants. The event uses the credit card capabilities at his disposal as the town does not have a credit card system. The Town of Clifton finances are audited every year by an independent CPA (as are all municipalities) to insure no one could pocket money. I hope you issue an apology on this site for implying a possibility of mismanagement of money. Maybe you just weren't sure but now you know the the real facts. TP

The Clifton tight-asses, making their veiled references to wrongdoing about this or that, without a blessed fact to be seen as far as the eye can see. But that won't stop them from mumbling under their collective breaths that "something's just not right."

Meanwhile, we'll be enjoying beer. So go fuck yourselves, OK? Better yet, run home and fuck your wife, because she could probably use it.

^ Says the white trash from Manassas.

Not OK Wrote:
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> ^ Says the white trash from Manassas.

^ Your wife calls me, "Darling." It'll be delicious the first time I buy her a frosty beer there.

robert2 Wrote:
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> Robert Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's not even 1500 people. I spoke to my buddy
> at
> > the county. That was a worst case scenario
> number
> > for their engineering requirements. How do you
> put
> > 1500 people in a parking lot with 100 spaces?
> > This whole thing is getting way blown out of
> > proportion.
>
>
>
> They park on the grass and along my
> road.....dumbass

Listen up you uptight asshole. I will not only park on the road in front of your house, but I will park in such a manner as to block traffic. Yes, the hordes of vehicles coming to drink beer in your neighborhood. Once traffic is stopped I will expose my shriveled penis for all to see, including your kids. Then I'll toss my empty beer cans in your driveway, all the while singing Country Roads. See you around!

Well at least we know lmb will have a classy following.

Classy Wrote:
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> Well at least we know lmb will have a classy
> following.

Thank God the hoi-polloi will be outside Clifton's town limits.

Look, we get it. You don't want anything in Clifton that isn't accompanied by candles and a wine list. But you don't own all the dirt, and you don't control all the dirt. Do yourself a favor -- drive out to Old Bust Head brewery in Vint Hills. Nice place; nice family crowd; beautiful facility. This reflexive Clifton snotty attitude is what gets on our nerves.

I know Wrote:
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> Villagio presents Clifton wine festival. I wonder
> who will be collecting the money at this event?
> Last time I went my credit card statement read
> capital roofing.Cash is hard to follow......I
> wonder if Clifton has a chance to audit the
> numbers on this???? Someone pocketing some money?
>
> Hope this helps. The Clifton Wine Festival has
> brought in an average of $25k to 30K a year for
> the last 8 years and every dime of the profit goes
> to the Town of Clifton. The town provides the
> space and a few dedicated area residents volunteer
> their time. Everything else is done by Marcus and
> his team. For the months of work it takes to put
> on the event, he gets to name the event whatever
> he wants. The event uses the credit card
> capabilities at his disposal as the town does not
> have a credit card system. The Town of Clifton
> finances are audited every year by an independent
> CPA (as are all municipalities) to insure no one
> could pocket money. I hope you issue an apology on
> this site for implying a possibility of
> mismanagement of money. Maybe you just weren't
> sure but now you know the the real facts. TP




This is 2016. Square reader, pay anywhere reaader, PayPal here, flint mobile reader + about 10,000 more. All say they take about 5 minutes to set up.

Puppets10 Wrote:
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> I know Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Villagio presents Clifton wine festival. I
> wonder
> > who will be collecting the money at this event?
> > Last time I went my credit card statement read
> > capital roofing.Cash is hard to follow......I
> > wonder if Clifton has a chance to audit the
> > numbers on this???? Someone pocketing some
> money?
> >
> > Hope this helps. The Clifton Wine Festival has
> > brought in an average of $25k to 30K a year for
> > the last 8 years and every dime of the profit
> goes
> > to the Town of Clifton. The town provides the
> > space and a few dedicated area residents
> volunteer
> > their time. Everything else is done by Marcus
> and
> > his team. For the months of work it takes to
> put
> > on the event, he gets to name the event
> whatever
> > he wants. The event uses the credit card
> > capabilities at his disposal as the town does
> not
> > have a credit card system. The Town of Clifton
> > finances are audited every year by an
> independent
> > CPA (as are all municipalities) to insure no
> one
> > could pocket money. I hope you issue an apology
> on
> > this site for implying a possibility of
> > mismanagement of money. Maybe you just weren't
> > sure but now you know the the real facts. TP
>
>
>
>
> This is 2016. Square reader, pay anywhere reaader,
> PayPal here, flint mobile reader + about 10,000
> more. All say they take about 5 minutes to set up.

Perhaps you could volunteer and help. It is 2016, after all. Or did you mean you'll help NEXT year, but you're just going to moan, groan, and criticize in 2015?

People are definitely blowing this out of proportion. I look forward to being able to drink a local beverage that supports the local economy.

As a long-time Clifton area resident the concept of Loudmouth sounds cool but I do have major concerns about public safety. In particular, the potential for an increase in the number of impaired drivers on the local roads.

Some of the numbers presented on this forum state that as many as 1500 customers per day may visit Loudmouth brewery on the weekends. Being a brewery, one would have to assume that vast majority of attendees will be drinking. I feel that it is safe to assume that a certain percentage (perhaps a small one)of patrons will be driving home impaired and or intoxicated.

This is especially bad because of the location of the proposed Loudmouth site. Most roads leading to the locacation are narrow, winding and country in nature. These roads have no sidewalks or shoulders so often cyclist, walkers, joggers, horseback riders, etc. travel the edge of the road. This leads little margin for error and driving impaired could make a huge and possibly tragic difference.

Close by to the proposed Loudmouth is Kincheloe Field where hundreds of familys travel to play/practice soccer. They will be sharing the same roads as the customers exiting the brewery.

The town of Clifton itself has become extremely busy during the weekends. Pedestrians seem to cross Main Street almost at every point and without warning. Driving through town you have to be cautious, alert, and on edge. Having "one too many" may hamper your ability to do so.

There will certainly be benefits to the community if Loudmouth becomes reality but do they outweigh the potential public danger that accompanies it?

U. Mills Wrote:
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> As a long-time Clifton area resident the concept
> of Loudmouth sounds cool but I do have major
> concerns about public safety. In particular, the
> potential for an increase in the number of
> impaired drivers on the local roads.
>
> Some of the numbers presented on this forum state
> that as many as 1500 customers per day may visit
> Loudmouth brewery on the weekends. Being a
> brewery, one would have to assume that vast
> majority of attendees will be drinking. I feel
> that it is safe to assume that a certain
> percentage (perhaps a small one)of patrons will be
> driving home impaired and or intoxicated.
>
> This is especially bad because of the location of
> the proposed Loudmouth site. Most roads leading
> to the locacation are narrow, winding and country
> in nature. These roads have no sidewalks or
> shoulders so often cyclist, walkers, joggers,
> horseback riders, etc. travel the edge of the
> road. This leads little margin for error and
> driving impaired could make a huge and possibly
> tragic difference.
>
> Close by to the proposed Loudmouth is Kincheloe
> Field where hundreds of familys travel to
> play/practice soccer. They will be sharing the
> same roads as the customers exiting the brewery.
>
> The town of Clifton itself has become extremely
> busy during the weekends. Pedestrians seem to
> cross Main Street almost at every point and
> without warning. Driving through town you have to
> be cautious, alert, and on edge. Having "one too
> many" may hamper your ability to do so.
>
> There will certainly be benefits to the community
> if Loudmouth becomes reality but do they outweigh
> the potential public danger that accompanies it?

As also noted, no more than 100 parking spaces. We appreciate your transparent attempt to sound reasonable, but it's still pretty transparent. Are you clockin' glasses of wine at the restaurants, too? Or is it OK for someone to plow through a couple of bottles of pinot noir before hitting the roads of Clifton?

I will so enjoy my first glass of beer there, knowing how much it pisses some of you off.

Hey tp - I saw a post about someone earlier complaining Marcus was able to use his villagio food trailer at the barn for the fun run in town.

Why was he given permission to do this and no one else was?

Will he be given the same permission this year or will there be a permit process that is fair to everyone in the community?

These are sincere questions.

iownafoodtruck Wrote:
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> Hey tp - I saw a post about someone earlier
> complaining Marcus was able to use his villagio
> food trailer at the barn for the fun run in town.
>
>
> Why was he given permission to do this and no one
> else was?
>
> Will he be given the same permission this year or
> will there be a permit process that is fair to
> everyone in the community?
>
> These are sincere questions.

Probably because he so respected in the Clifton area. Everybody in Clifton loves the guy.

Just because alcohol is available, doesn't mean there will drunk drivers driving through soccer fields running down children. How many establishments already sell alcohol here in Clifton?

Beer is 4-5% alcohol. Wine is 10-20% alcohol. So which is worse, a winery or brewery?

If Clifton really wants to stop their drunk mini-van moms they need to increase the number of DUI patrols and checkpoints in Clifton. I suggest a checkpoint every Friday evening on Main street in Clifton.

Hey tp - I saw a post about someone earlier complaining Marcus was able to use his villagio food trailer at the barn for the fun run in town.

Why was he given permission to do this and no one else was?

Will he be given the same permission this year or will there be a permit process that is fair to everyone in the community?

These are sincere questions.

iownafoodtruck - Not exactly sure but I will find out and get back to you. Usually part of a sponsorship package as with many of the other events.

Hey iownafoodtruck- Villagio has set up their food truck at the Caboose Run, Wine Festival, Clifton Day and Haunted Trail. For the Caboose run, a percentage of sales is given to the CBA. Contact the CBA if you are interested this year as there is not an exclusive agreement. Villagio sponsored the Haunted Trail for $1000 and setting up came with the sponsorship but all other food establishments in town were offered the opportunity to set up at the entrance and all declined. Check with the event coordinator (around September) if you would like to become a sponsor/vendor this year. There are many other food vendors at the Wine Festival (town event) so an opportunity exists there as well. Hope this helps. TP

Friendofmarcus Wrote:
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> Are you referring to the Sal that embezzled
> millions from his partners and family and lost all
> his restaurants and home? And are you referring to
> the manager Joe that got fired for having indecent
> relations with an employee? Just wondering?



Don't know about this but wouldn't the guy be in jail if he embezzled money?

Factual Wrote:
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> He knew he was going to be doing this brewery in
> September 2014. Real good character to play a
> third graders game of hush hush with the local
> community instead of speaking with the community,
> gaining input, meeting with concerned citizens,
> coming up with plans to mitigate some of the
> worries, maybe downsizing a brewery that in will
> produce 50,330 gallons of waste water/week and
> will drink up 84,760 gallons of water/week.
>
> Have you heard about the upcoming public meeting??
> I'd say there's a 100% chance information will be
> provided about the waste water and other issues
> important to the community. I'll probably see you
> there. Until then, if you have any questions,
> maybe it's a good idea to talk to him personally
> about your concerns. Have you tried doing that?
> I'll always shake my head at public personal
> attacks simply because of differing points of view
> or a dislike of how something was handled.

I have to agree with Factual. It's not the citizen's responsibility to reach out to this guy. He should have reached out back in Sept. Guess he didn't want to do that though because he probably knew that there would be way too much opposition as shown here in the Fairfax Underground site. I think that does speak to questionable integrity. Then again you don't get to be relly successful without stepping on a few people.

Pass The Brie Wrote:
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> Puppets10 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I know Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Villagio presents Clifton wine festival. I
> > wonder
> > > who will be collecting the money at this
> event?
> > > Last time I went my credit card statement
> read
> > > capital roofing.Cash is hard to follow......I
> > > wonder if Clifton has a chance to audit the
> > > numbers on this???? Someone pocketing some
> > money?
> > >
> > > Hope this helps. The Clifton Wine Festival
> has
> > > brought in an average of $25k to 30K a year
> for
> > > the last 8 years and every dime of the profit
> > goes
> > > to the Town of Clifton. The town provides the
> > > space and a few dedicated area residents
> > volunteer
> > > their time. Everything else is done by Marcus
> > and
> > > his team. For the months of work it takes to
> > put
> > > on the event, he gets to name the event
> > whatever
> > > he wants. The event uses the credit card
> > > capabilities at his disposal as the town does
> > not
> > > have a credit card system. The Town of
> Clifton
> > > finances are audited every year by an
> > independent
> > > CPA (as are all municipalities) to insure no
> > one
> > > could pocket money. I hope you issue an
> apology
> > on
> > > this site for implying a possibility of
> > > mismanagement of money. Maybe you just
> weren't
> > > sure but now you know the the real facts. TP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This is 2016. Square reader, pay anywhere
> reaader,
> > PayPal here, flint mobile reader + about 10,000
> > more. All say they take about 5 minutes to set
> up.
>
> Perhaps you could volunteer and help. It is 2016,
> after all. Or did you mean you'll help NEXT year,
> but you're just going to moan, groan, and
> criticize in 2015?

TP the real facts? What does a CPA auditing the town of Clifton have to do with anything? That doesn't prove that there is no wrongdoing at the time of collection or counting of CASH. Not suggesting there's any wrongdoing here, just like at church, you have to trust the people counting the collection plate. Always a little tempting to "put your hand in the bag". BEST to not have cash then there can be no question or have a local GROUP count it right then and there.

agreed Wrote:
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? Guess he didn't want to do that though because he probably
> knew that there would be way too much opposition
> as shown here in the Fairfax Underground site.

Opposition? The majority of posts here are excited the craft brewery opening in Clifton.

Clifton's problem with drivers is NOT alcohol or drinking.

It's all thoses skinny ass streets that are only two skinny ass lanes, curvy and hilly beyond reality, and have 5 foot ditches on the shoulder mere inches away from the concrete. Then you have every homeowner driving a big ass Range Rover or Ram truck hugging the center line. as they approach you on the curves.

no jail, pay restitoociun, give restarant house car to them

I work for one of the engineers involved in this project. We've been involved since the beginning and it hasn't been since last September. The original plan was to develop houses. The brewery idea didn't start up until sometime this January or February and even then it was only an idea that the owner was considering with some others. He didn't even own the property in September. Land records could tell you that. A lot of what's on this site is garbage or not true at all. Be ware! Get the real story. It's actually going to be a pretty nice place with over 5 acres of hops fields and other things. These guys are doing this right.

wino- FYI. Cash is collected by volunteers at the Wine Festival gate and deposited into a safe at the event. The people I have seen collecting the money are of the highest integrity so if you have to trust people (and let's face it, you do have to trust people) these would be the people I would choose. When the cash is counted, there have always been 3 people present the 4 years I helped with this task. The same procedure has been used for the Haunted Trail cash receipts. As you stated, immediately counting cash is probably the right way to go and I'll pass on your suggestion as the way to handle things for all town events. TP

Let's stay on topic here. When is this place opening? This fall? This winter? This Spring? I have a 30th class reunion coming up next year and Id like to nominate this place for the before or after or main. I grew up in these parts like most of my friends that are still here and we'd be proud to support this small business, especially after reading all the BS found in this thread. Not cool. Not true. There are some good Clifton folk behind this project. COUNT ME and MINE IN!

Those of us that live near the brewery our worried about our well water. We already had one well go dry in our neighborhood last year. We are also worried about waster water from the brewery going back into the water table. These are legitimate concerns. We need to hold off any on more permits till these issues are addressed.

Hey! If you like the brewery, GREAT! If you don't like the brewery, GREAT! but stop the personal attacks. I work for Villagio and I love the people I work with and the family I work for. They r great people that do a lot for their employees and Clifton. Hell, last year Marcus gave, yes gave, one of his old company trucks to one of my co workers just so that he'd have something to get to work in. That's the kind of people I work for. They're good people. I don't know what some of you guys are talking about. It's FUCKED up and they don't deserve it.

Marcus may be a great guy but we some serious issues to address before the brewery can open.

Well water.

Traffic.

Parking.

And the permanent change the brewery would cause the neighborhoods that surround the area.

For Craft Brewery Wrote:
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> agreed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> ? Guess he didn't want to do that though because
> he probably
> > knew that there would be way too much
> opposition
> > as shown here in the Fairfax Underground site.
>
> Opposition? The majority of posts here are
> excited the craft brewery opening in Clifton.

I believe they don't live in Clifton.

The meeting regarding this project is on Sunday, April 26th at 4pm at the Red Barn which is across the street from Trummers. We need to hear more about the environmental impacts of a brewery, and how the vehicle traffic in the area will increase. Has Fairfax County been made aware of this project?

I keep seeing "next to Paradise Springs", whne in fact the land is close to Clifton Rd., far from Paradise Springs. Any word on where they intend to actaully build this brewery?

Looks like the CBA red barn is near the La Bella Luce on Main street., not across from trummers.

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Math guy Wrote:
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> I work for one of the engineers involved in this
> project. We've been involved since the beginning
> and it hasn't been since last September. The
> original plan was to develop houses. The brewery
> idea didn't start up until sometime this January
> or February and even then it was only an idea that
> the owner was considering with some others. He
> didn't even own the property in September. Land
> records could tell you that. A lot of what's on
> this site is garbage or not true at all. Be ware!
> Get the real story. It's actually going to be a
> pretty nice place with over 5 acres of hops fields
> and other things. These guys are doing this right.

Sure to be nice but at what cost?
"Beware! Get the real story." Dig a little deeper-Not sayin' any more

Who is going to be at the meeting?

Anyone who has any real authority or is just the local town folks who will benefit $$ from the brewery.

I think we need a serious discussion with those in charge of permits to be involved.

This should not be pushed through until all the issues are addressed.

Math guy Wrote:
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> I work for one of the engineers involved in this
> project. We've been involved since the beginning
> and it hasn't been since last September. The
> original plan was to develop houses. The brewery
> idea didn't start up until sometime this January
> or February and even then it was only an idea that
> the owner was considering with some others. He
> didn't even own the property in September. Land
> records could tell you that. A lot of what's on
> this site is garbage or not true at all. Be ware!
> Get the real story. It's actually going to be a
> pretty nice place with over 5 acres of hops fields
> and other things. These guys are doing this right.


You all need to stop posting these posts....it is fucking up our integrity for the brewery. The documents have already been posted showing our signature on documents from the engineers office dated back to Sept. 30 2014.

You are making it worse for our case.

agreed Wrote:
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> Factual Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He knew he was going to be doing this brewery
> in
> > September 2014. Real good character to play a
> > third graders game of hush hush with the local
> > community instead of speaking with the
> community,
> > gaining input, meeting with concerned citizens,
> > coming up with plans to mitigate some of the
> > worries, maybe downsizing a brewery that in
> will
> > produce 50,330 gallons of waste water/week and
> > will drink up 84,760 gallons of water/week.
> >
> > Have you heard about the upcoming public
> meeting??
> > I'd say there's a 100% chance information will
> be
> > provided about the waste water and other issues
> > important to the community. I'll probably see
> you
> > there. Until then, if you have any questions,
> > maybe it's a good idea to talk to him
> personally
> > about your concerns. Have you tried doing that?
> > I'll always shake my head at public personal
> > attacks simply because of differing points of
> view
> > or a dislike of how something was handled.
>
> I have to agree with Factual. It's not the
> citizen's responsibility to reach out to this guy.
> He should have reached out back in Sept. Guess he
> didn't want to do that though because he probably
> knew that there would be way too much opposition
> as shown here in the Fairfax Underground site. I
> think that does speak to questionable integrity.
> Then again you don't get to be relly successful
> without stepping on a few people.


So true!

Rob Wrote:
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> The meeting regarding this project is on Sunday,
> April 26th at 4pm at the Red Barn which is across
> the street from Trummers. We need to hear more
> about the environmental impacts of a brewery, and
> how the vehicle traffic in the area will increase.
> Has Fairfax County been made aware of this
> project?
>
> I keep seeing "next to Paradise Springs", whne in
> fact the land is close to Clifton Rd., far from
> Paradise Springs. Any word on where they intend to
> actaully build this brewery?

A project of this nature has many agencies (including fairfax) engaged. Want facts? The "developers" as they have been labeled will be presenting facts, not speculation, on Sunday the 26th at 4PM in town.

Blah blah blah.

Here's a fact we want to know. When is this place going to be open so we can enjoy muddafucking fresh craft beer?

clifton303053 Wrote:
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> Math guy Wrote:
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> > I work for one of the engineers involved in
> this
> > project. We've been involved since the
> beginning
> > and it hasn't been since last September. The
> > original plan was to develop houses. The
> brewery
> > idea didn't start up until sometime this
> January
> > or February and even then it was only an idea
> that
> > the owner was considering with some others. He
> > didn't even own the property in September. Land
> > records could tell you that. A lot of what's on
> > this site is garbage or not true at all. Be
> ware!
> > Get the real story. It's actually going to be a
> > pretty nice place with over 5 acres of hops
> fields
> > and other things. These guys are doing this
> right.
>
>
> You all need to stop posting these posts....it is
> fucking up our integrity for the brewery. The
> documents have already been posted showing our
> signature on documents from the engineers office
> dated back to Sept. 30 2014.
>
> You are making it worse for our case.

This intrigued me...

but after double checking those documents the only work done in September was for soil tests... doesn't make any reference to a Brewery.. could in fact be for homes as Math guy suggested.

I'd say Math Guy & clifton303053 should kiss a make up.. why would two supports of the project argue... C'mon dudes- haven't you heard? There will be plenty of beer for everybody.

I thought in Virginia you could not sell only beer? So what kind of restaurant is going to go in along with craft brews?

Craft brew and restaurant? Wrote:
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> I thought in Virginia you could not sell only
> beer? So what kind of restaurant is going to go in
> along with craft brews?

Nope nope & nope. Restaurants which serve alcohol in VA do require a certain % of food sales.. breweries (in the case of Loudmouth Brewing Co) is not a restaurant and therefore does not have a minimum % of food sales required. ABC laws in Virginia a few years ago were amended to allow breweries to sell alcohol on site.

Does anybody here actually check facts before the make erroneous statements?

The brewery would be allowed to have a food truck.

Little known law Wrote:
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> The brewery would be allowed to have a food truck.


^ +1

I'm a wine drinker, so don't care one way or the other about the beer part but will be nice to have a different hang out.fall activities, pumpkins, cider and such. that will be cool.

oh man, bring the BBQ bus. YUM YUM! or even better Red Hook Lobster Pound(lobster rolls) YES PLEASE!!

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pumkins Wrote:
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> I'm a wine drinker, so don't care one way or the
> other about the beer part but will be nice to have
> a different hang out.fall activities, pumpkins,
> cider and such. that will be cool.

That's one thing craft beer places do well is great events. Old OX even does Yoga and a beer.

Jammin and drinking cold brews. It is going to be packed.

I can't wait for the live music! Wrote:
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> Jammin and drinking cold brews. It is going to be
> packed.

NO IT'S NOT! As noted earlier, IT WILL HAVE NO MORE THAN 100 PARKING SPOTS! HOW CAN IT BE CROUDED? IDIOTS!

Oh, Come On, Stop Joking Wrote:
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> I can't wait for the live music! Wrote:
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> > Jammin and drinking cold brews. It is going to
> be
> > packed.
>
> NO IT'S NOT! As noted earlier, IT WILL HAVE NO
> MORE THAN 100 PARKING SPOTS! HOW CAN IT BE
> CROUDED? IDIOTS!

Is a hundred full parking spots not defined as packed? Craft breweries are about great craft beer and relaxing with friends or groups.

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i have lived in Clifton for over 10 years. I think the brewery is a great idea. Anyone who doesn't like it should move. I support it 100%. It will be great for the community. Don't listen to the crybaby libs who complain on this board. They are a bunch of crybaby douchebags. And their so called facts are typical liberal scare tactics. Bullshit just like global warming.

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Meeting Agenda for 4/26/2015

-- PR Rollout Presentation by Whale and representatives for Whale.
-- In anticipation of November election, various elected officials will offer
CYA feedback. (Actual action, however, not likely to follow).
-- Suckerfish will be given ample opportunity to profess support and
encouragement of Whale's plans.
-- Impacted groups, individuals, victims speak out.
-- Media to begin preparing articles and segments likely based on whether or
not they personally likely beer.

Action Items

-- Check off that public notice has been provided.
-- Consider delaying groundbreaking until after November election.

Clifton is truly beautiful. The homes, the land, the cute town, and a nice little winery tucked away. A new brewery coupled with the existing winery sounds like a great idea for a venue closer to home; weddings, parties, community gatherings. Hoping a compromise can be made with the concerned residents and the builders of the brewrey. The true eye-sore of Clifton right now are the hideous yellow signs posted along the roads in protest. Hope it all works out!

I have nothing wrong with a brewery in Fairfax, Va. I do have a problem with such a large scale brewery in an area that has homes on well water and septic.

It is unfair to the residents who live in these communities to have their property threatned with a commercial project in a residential neighborhood. The laws were not written with this type of business in an area like Cliftom.

We need to be proactive. Land owners have rights too.

If must be fun to live in Clifton. It is becoming a great town to party in. If you don't think they already drink a lot in that town take a look at the fences on any curve coming into town. You will see where a car has recently taken a piece out. Better yet, do it as a drinking game. Take a shot every time you see a fence with a piece missing.

More NIMBYs in Clifton telling other people what they can do with their land.

If you want to send a message to the developers that you're not happy with their business venture then you need to make them see a difference in their income stream. Boycott their other businesses such as Villagio and maybe they will see that the local community is willing to take a stand.

Clifton resident Wrote:
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> If you want to send a message to the developers
> that you're not happy with their business venture
> then you need to make them see a difference in
> their income stream. Boycott their other
> businesses such as Villagio and maybe they will
> see that the local community is willing to take a
> stand.


Jealous much? Boo success!

Clifton resident Wrote:
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> If you want to send a message to the developers
> that you're not happy with their business venture
> then you need to make them see a difference in
> their income stream. Boycott their other
> businesses such as Villagio and maybe they will
> see that the local community is willing to take a
> stand.

Not happy? I'm overjoyed!

I sent a message the other day to the ABC board and Clifton Association saying how happy I'm that we our finally get a craft brewery.

Why has this taken so long for Clifton board to get a craft brewery here? We should of had a craft brewery years ago!

The place looks incredile! Perfect for Clifton!
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LOOKS INCREDILE!!

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> Yeah!!
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> LOOKS INCREDILE!!

THK U!

Please fill out the form that you are against a brewery on this property We need as many concerned citizens to make our voices heard. Loudmouth needs to go.

Please email the ABC Wrote:
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> Please fill out the form that you are against a
> brewery on this property We need as many concerned
> citizens to make our voices heard. Loudmouth needs
> to go.

We are for the brewery. How many times do we have to tell you that. You're on the wrong forum.