What a collection of douchebags.

Let's hope that's not what typical UVA guys look like.

M. London Wrote:
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> All that would be excusable if we had a better
> football team.

You were joking, but it's true.

Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> really? Wrote:
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> > jWytV Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > I agree that blaming the victim is wrong.
> But
> > one
> > > common thread I notice in all of these
> stories
> > is
> > > failure of the victim to go to police. If a
> > crime
> > > is committed against me, I will report it.
> > >
> > > Influence from friends or school resources is
> > not
> > > a legitimate excuse - there was a recent case
> > of
> > > this at JMU based on an incident that
> happened
> > in
> > > Florida. The school was criticized but the
> > victim
> > > "decided against" going to police.
> > >
> > > What gives? If there was a crime committed,
> why
> > > are these victims not going to police? Fear
> of
> > > social repercussion cannot be the excuse.
> >
> > Are you as dim as your post suggests? Why do
> > kidnap victims "allow" themselves to fall
> victim
> > to Stockholm Syndrome? Why do women "allow"
> > themselves to fall victim to "battered spouse"
> > syndrome. Why do posters not do some reading
> and
> > thinking before posting?
>
> Is this all from the same person who has replied
> to my posts standing up for the women who accuse
> men of rape?
>
> I think someone is trolling. No way would someone
> be accountable for something that did not happen!

Clearly this all going way over your head.

Professor Aurial Wrote:
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> What a collection of douchebags.
>
> Let's hope that's not what typical UVA guys look
> like.

Stereotyping people based on their looks is ignorant, you dumb fuck goober liberal.

In honor of the Honorable Marion Barry, " Bitch set them up!"

Stereotypesetter Wrote:
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> Professor Aurial Wrote:
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> > What a collection of douchebags.
> >
> > Let's hope that's not what typical UVA guys
> look
> > like.
>
> Stereotyping people based on their looks is
> ignorant, you dumb fuck goober liberal.

Indeed. But I am judging them by their fashion choices. They are dressed as douchebags. Of course, it doesn't help that they are also projecting an attitude of privilege in a rape house. I bet you can relate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU6rJX-mChM&app=desktop

From last nights game. TOOLS, all of them! UVA is for entitled tools.

This is an accurate depiction of what happened at one of the fraternities at UVA. This is also how everyone at George Mason feel about Paul Hewitt.
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Can't wait till the "Dreamers" enroll!
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Douchebags Indeed Wrote:
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> > They are dressed as douchebags. Of
> course, it doesn't help that they are also
> projecting an attitude of privilege in a rape
> house. I bet you can relate.

"a rape house"? Are you kidding? Who comes up with up this crap? And you think I'm a rapist because I called you out for stereotyping people? Damn, son, youre as dumb as a stump. Typical liberal.

Jesus, those UVA fags are embarrassing. What a collection of uptight douchey fags that , by the way, enjoy singing Journey into a goose statue.

Lick my Balls Wrote:
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> Jesus, those UVA fags are embarrassing. What a
> collection of uptight douchey fags that , by the
> way, enjoy singing Journey into a goose statue.

I know right. And that passes for "cool" at UVA apparently. At least he wasn't wearing a tie like most of those tools.

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> Douchebags Indeed Wrote:
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> > > They are dressed as douchebags. Of
> > course, it doesn't help that they are also
> > projecting an attitude of privilege in a rape
> > house. I bet you can relate.
>
> "a rape house"? Are you kidding? Who comes up with
> up this crap? And you think I'm a rapist because I
> called you out for stereotyping people? Damn, son,
> youre as dumb as a stump. Typical liberal.

It is a rape house. Take some time and actually read the Rolling Stone article instead of rushing to the defense of these Phi Psi tools. Places like that need to be shut down for good, not just for Christmas break. UVA clearly has a massive problem and everyone sees it, except apparently those invested in this perverse culture. Carry on.

Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> 1984 Wrote:
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> > This type of thing has been going on for a very
> > long time. UVA will never clean itself up, so
> it's
> > time for authorities to do it. Here is a
> > reminder.
> >
> >
> http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/rape-victim-retu
>
> >
> rns-to-uva/article_4c0255da-fe51-5205-b696-f3e20ab
>
> > afa04.html
> >
> > And to dear Alexander Smith, who apperently was
> > not a pre-law undergrad, "having sex" with
> someone
> > who is too drunk to consent or blackout drunk
> is
> > indeed "legitimate rape."
>
>
> Shit happens daily. A slut drinks way too much,
> obviously agrees/wants to fuck some frat guy, but
> the next morning has no clue what happened and
> then cries rape.
>
> This is completely wrong since both the guy and
> the girl consented, it was just the whores fault
> that they felt like they were "violated."


who would ever want to go to that disgusting school?

Rape house.

lol!

Not sure who I hate more, idiot frat boys or the mindless rape culture idiots.

Can we kill both?

amazing how so many "intelligent" people drink the kool aid and believe the college's bullcrap cult mentality

why don't these women stand up for themselves? surely they aren't stupid. all those sports and high achievements didn't teach them confidence?

something wrong with the college deans, the women, and most of all the parents of the men

they all talk about Thomas Jefferson but he was the one who kept slaves and fathered a child. the school's founder, the students, the families who support the sick mentality are not smart and they should stop looking down on people who don't go to that school because they don't want to embrace the sick culture.

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> Goober Slayer Wrote:
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> > Douchebags Indeed Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > They are dressed as douchebags. Of
> > > course, it doesn't help that they are also
> > > projecting an attitude of privilege in a rape
> > > house. I bet you can relate.
> >
> > "a rape house"? Are you kidding? Who comes up
> with
> > up this crap? And you think I'm a rapist because
> I
> > called you out for stereotyping people? Damn,
> son,
> > youre as dumb as a stump. Typical liberal.
>
> It is a rape house. Take some time and actually
> read the Rolling Stone article instead of rushing
> to the defense of these Phi Psi tools. Places
> like that need to be shut down for good, not just
> for Christmas break. UVA clearly has a massive
> problem and everyone sees it, except apparently
> those invested in this perverse culture. Carry
> on.

Ok, I'm sorry you didn't get accepted to a decent school or even a fraternity and it still stings. Put your big boy pants on and get over it. Maybe if you weren't a judgemental asshole that relies on Rolling Stone for hard hitting news more people would accept you.

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> > Goober Slayer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Douchebags Indeed Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > > They are dressed as douchebags. Of
> > > > course, it doesn't help that they are also
> > > > projecting an attitude of privilege in a
> rape
> > > > house. I bet you can relate.
> > >
> > > "a rape house"? Are you kidding? Who comes up
> > with
> > > up this crap? And you think I'm a rapist
> because
> > I
> > > called you out for stereotyping people? Damn,
> > son,
> > > youre as dumb as a stump. Typical liberal.
> >
> > It is a rape house. Take some time and
> actually
> > read the Rolling Stone article instead of
> rushing
> > to the defense of these Phi Psi tools. Places
> > like that need to be shut down for good, not
> just
> > for Christmas break. UVA clearly has a massive
> > problem and everyone sees it, except apparently
> > those invested in this perverse culture. Carry
> > on.
>
> Ok, I'm sorry you didn't get accepted to a decent
> school or even a fraternity and it still stings.
> Put your big boy pants on and get over it. Maybe
> if you weren't a judgemental asshole that relies
> on Rolling Stone for hard hitting news more people
> would accept you.

Lol, so says the fratboy doucher.

The Huguely Culture lives on at UVa.

Interview with one of the Ass Deans: http://vimeo.com/user20932862/review/112529177/b57f3948c3

Good news though, George gets to rot in prison for many many years. And I suspect a frat boy lifeguard is a bit nervous. Good, go join George the V:

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2014/11/virginia-supreme-court-rejects-huguely-appeal

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

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> Ok. Ok. I get it. Wrote:
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> > Frat Boys think it's all good Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Goober Slayer Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Douchebags Indeed Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > > They are dressed as douchebags. Of
> > > > > course, it doesn't help that they are
> also
> > > > > projecting an attitude of privilege in a
> > rape
> > > > > house. I bet you can relate.
> > > >
> > > > "a rape house"? Are you kidding? Who comes
> up
> > > with
> > > > up this crap? And you think I'm a rapist
> > because
> > > I
> > > > called you out for stereotyping people?
> Damn,
> > > son,
> > > > youre as dumb as a stump. Typical liberal.
> > >
> > > It is a rape house. Take some time and
> > actually
> > > read the Rolling Stone article instead of
> > rushing
> > > to the defense of these Phi Psi tools.
> Places
> > > like that need to be shut down for good, not
> > just
> > > for Christmas break. UVA clearly has a
> massive
> > > problem and everyone sees it, except
> apparently
> > > those invested in this perverse culture.
> Carry
> > > on.
> >
> > Ok, I'm sorry you didn't get accepted to a
> decent
> > school or even a fraternity and it still
> stings.
> > Put your big boy pants on and get over it.
> Maybe
> > if you weren't a judgemental asshole that
> relies
> > on Rolling Stone for hard hitting news more
> people
> > would accept you.
>
> Lol, so says the fratboy doucher.

LOL, so says the pole smoking queer. I was never in a frat. But stereotyping frat boys because you're mad that they stereotype people is idiotic. And you are an ignorant pole smoker.

Chris Rock said it best. If you ever see me speak out against something like this or a disease....I GOT IT

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> Frat Boys think it's all good Wrote:
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> > Goober Slayer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Douchebags Indeed Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > > They are dressed as douchebags. Of
> > > > course, it doesn't help that they are also
> > > > projecting an attitude of privilege in a
> rape
> > > > house. I bet you can relate.
> > >
> > > "a rape house"? Are you kidding? Who comes up
> > with
> > > up this crap? And you think I'm a rapist
> because
> > I
> > > called you out for stereotyping people? Damn,
> > son,
> > > youre as dumb as a stump. Typical liberal.
> >
> > It is a rape house. Take some time and
> actually
> > read the Rolling Stone article instead of
> rushing
> > to the defense of these Phi Psi tools. Places
> > like that need to be shut down for good, not
> just
> > for Christmas break. UVA clearly has a massive
> > problem and everyone sees it, except apparently
> > those invested in this perverse culture. Carry
> > on.
>
> Ok, I'm sorry you didn't get accepted to a decent
> school or even a fraternity and it still stings.
> Put your big boy pants on and get over it. Maybe
> if you weren't a judgemental asshole that relies
> on Rolling Stone for hard hitting news more people
> would accept you.

Yes, I suppose Rolling Stone could be making it up, and the women, too. It's all a conspiracy to bring down the poor misunderstood frat boys of the world. And if it matters so much to you, I graduated from a school higher up the food chain than UVA, so don't try and pull that "you are just jealous" bullshit.

Sure, go after the frats.

Nobody wants to talk about sorority rape.

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> > Frat Boys think it's all good Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Goober Slayer Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Douchebags Indeed Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > > They are dressed as douchebags. Of
> > > > > course, it doesn't help that they are
> also
> > > > > projecting an attitude of privilege in a
> > rape
> > > > > house. I bet you can relate.
> > > >
> > > > "a rape house"? Are you kidding? Who comes
> up
> > > with
> > > > up this crap? And you think I'm a rapist
> > because
> > > I
> > > > called you out for stereotyping people?
> Damn,
> > > son,
> > > > youre as dumb as a stump. Typical liberal.
> > >
> > > It is a rape house. Take some time and
> > actually
> > > read the Rolling Stone article instead of
> > rushing
> > > to the defense of these Phi Psi tools.
> Places
> > > like that need to be shut down for good, not
> > just
> > > for Christmas break. UVA clearly has a
> massive
> > > problem and everyone sees it, except
> apparently
> > > those invested in this perverse culture.
> Carry
> > > on.
> >
> > Ok, I'm sorry you didn't get accepted to a
> decent
> > school or even a fraternity and it still
> stings.
> > Put your big boy pants on and get over it.
> Maybe
> > if you weren't a judgemental asshole that
> relies
> > on Rolling Stone for hard hitting news more
> people
> > would accept you.
>
> Yes, I suppose Rolling Stone could be making it
> up, and the women, too. It's all a conspiracy to
> bring down the poor misunderstood frat boys of the
> world. And if it matters so much to you, I
> graduated from a school higher up the food chain
> than UVA, so don't try and pull that "you are just
> jealous" bullshit.

NOVA is not higher up the food chain. But if it makes your bruised ego feel better, good for you. Judging by the incredible leaps you made in logic you clearly didn't go to a school that taught critical thinking skills.

By the way, who's talking about a conspiracy? Another great leap in your logic. It certainly wasn't me. I do know people that fall for this "rape culture" nonsense are idiots, but I also know those same idiots are too dumb to conspire.

Chris Pivik shooting at something
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Glad to see that all fraternities have been suspended. Collective punishment is good! Next, they should suspend all Black students since it has been documented that Blacks commit crimes at rates ten times that of any other race.

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> Glad to see that all fraternities have been
> suspended. Collective punishment is good! Next,
> they should suspend all Black students since it
> has been documented that Blacks commit crimes at
> rates ten times that of any other race.

Don't worry. The frats have only been suspended for Christmas break. At UVA this is "getting serious" about their fratty rape culture. Everything will be back to normal by the time the rape houses fill up with privileged tools for the second semester.

Your second point isn't worthy of a response.

These are serious charges made in the Rolling Stone. I hope people will think twice before posting names and photos of anyone associated with this fraternity. Innocent people could be caught up in a FFX Underground witchhunt. These are people's lives and futures. You wouldn't want to be accused of something simply because of your association to a group. You certainly wouldn't want your child's reputation ruined by innuendo. Unless charges are filed, please refrain from posting people's names.

The only people who are going to be caught up in a witchhunt are the ones who post names and pictures. They know some very powerful people in Virginia will be after them & its the only reason nobodies doing it.

Any guy in that fraternity either raped or watched, knew it was going on and did nothing- we all know that. They go onto graduate and they rape the poor, while making them feel its their fault,and protect rapists ( banks ) who have the power. The whole rape thing is just part of their grooming. They spend their whole lives fiquratively raping or protecting rapists.

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> http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-rap
> e-on-campus-20141119?page=7


People still read Rolling Stone? I thought that died off like Life or the Saturday Evening Post.

No one has said that anyone named in this thread is one of the actual rapists, but each of those named has willingly made publicly available sufficient information to establish that they were indeed Phi Psi members at the time of the incident, and/or are indeed trained lifeguards, etc. If they want to come forward and deny any involvement, let them. They have Facebook pages, LinkedIn profiles and other social media that gives all that information up. The links someone posted above to Phi Psi newsletter, also publicly available, establish that Dylan Rosser was a 2010 Phi Psi pledge and would have been a junior in the fall of 2012. He graduated UVA in 2014. The 2010 pledge list did not list Chris Pivik. No one has posted a 2011 pledge list. This is the 21st century. Stuff is out there and it's not illegal or defmatory to post it. Facebook owns the photos you post there, not you, so don't even start on copyright issues either. Besides, there are no copyright marks on those photos.

Dylan Rosser deleted his Facebook and linked in. There yesterday gone today.

Chris Pivik is no choir boy, he was doing foolish and wreckless stuff before he attended UVA.

Is he, was he involved in this specific incident, who knows?

Lets just say of FFU "ruins" anyone's life, this is a sad situation. All FFU does is allow people to comment, speculate and share thoughts.

At this point we all have to assume the RS article and source is reasonably accurate and I think we can all assume foolish, reckless and illegal activities happens in Greek houses and on college campus all across the country on a daily basis. It is only a small percentage of these bad deeds that get out of hand and/or reported.

Unfortunately crime against girls/women probably goes on WAY too much and is often either never reported or under reported. Then if it is reported, often it is not followed up on and many times the girls/women do not want to follow though as they sometimes think they are to blame or the authorities make the girls/women think their names and actions be made public so often times girls/women just decide to forget about it and move on hoping the trauma and embarrassment will fade away.

Unfortunately if does not work out this simple and easily for assault victims.

If these stupid "boys" would stop a minute and think about what they are doing, if they would want their sisters, cousins, girl friends, female friends, aunts, mothers and so forth treated in this fashion, they might pause a moment and maybe do the "right" thing. But put alcohol, drugs and peer pressure together and you have a toxic cocktail for a bad outcome.

Publicly Available Wrote:
>....The links someone posted above to Phi Psi newsletter, also publicly available, establish that Dylan Rosser was a 2010 Phi Psi pledge and would have been a junior in the fall of 2012. He graduated UVA in 2014.

Not true...

From the links found here and other social media it is true Rosser was involved with new pledge recruitment in the fall of '12, but as a SENIOR. He graduated in '13 not '14. It is mentioned on several social media sites, but more importantly his name is listed in the graduation ceremonies program for spring '13. The news letter listing him as a pledge is dated Spring of '10 - his second freshmen semester. Also, he graduated high school in '09 - easily found.

Fall '09 & Spring '10 freshmen
Fall '10 & Spring '11 sophomore
Fall '11 & Spring '12 junior
Fall '12 & Spring '13 senior and graduation.

Dylan Rosser does not fit the timeline to be "Drew".


Even though information is "Publicly Available" performing due diligence is imperative as well as using logic before posting public implications. Personally, I would refrain from posting anything about anyone involved on a bulletin board even if I knew his or her guilt. Because that would mean, I have a civic duty to perform of communicating a crime to authorities...

I personally do not think RS made up the story because at least one kid matches "Drew", "Jackie's suite-mate" is real and they provided so many specific details opening them up for lawsuits if false. However, it needs to be pointed out that one should be careful about what they read and how they publicly react to it.

The story sadness me terribly. To see such a prestigious school being governed by greed and influence instead of simply doing the right thing decades ago. To learn that parents in my immediate vicinity are raising seriously damaged kids. To read that social pressures are valued more during decision making than having simple decency and compassion. But, especially for "Jackie" - I hope she gets some peace and can handle the pressure she is surely going to encounter to press charges - something I think she wanted to avoid.

Some UVA students think some of the RS details were changed slightly, like maybe the job where Jackie and Drew met was not lifeguard but something else, and maybe Drew's year is different. The lifeguard detail makes it too easy to figure out who was involved so a lot of students think that particular detail might have been changed. If it wasn't really lifeguarding, then maybe it isn't Rosser or Pivik as Drew.

I bet if Dylan Rosser or Chris Pivik didn't do the rape they know who did so no sympathy. The should both come forward and make sure whoever did it faces a jury. Otherwise they are just as bad as the rapists.

Either way if the details of the RS are slightly different or not, there are a LOT of Greek boys and others that have a big lump in their throats at this point.

They are now thinking about their actions and maybe regretting some of their past foolishness.

Too bad for UVA, if they did a bit more looking inward, maybe this could have been avoided or at least curtailed a bit.

This is not the first time something like this has happened at any large University in VA or elsewhere.

UVa has always been dramatically overrated as an academic institution. The fact is it is a State school, pure and simple, like any other "University of". What really distinguishes UVa is the foul, filthy, grotesque, and vulgar beahaviour which charachterizes its students. UVa students and alum may convince themsleves that their school is an elite University, but it is really little more than a thinly disguised playground for drunken louts and cheap tawdry greek grobians.

I would be very surprised if details were changed to protect the identities of the frat boys being accused. The risk of getting sued is too high, It took just a few moments to find potential matches. The editorial process would have ferreted that out and RS would have had the journalist change the details until it did not point to A specific person.

She was wearing makeup at a fraternity party!

She was asking for it!

Why is that UVA boy singing Journey to a fake goose? Even his friends look embarassed to be with him.

kNUwb Wrote:
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> Why is that UVA boy singing Journey to a fake
> goose? Even his friends look embarassed to be with
> him.

Oh, they'd be doing to too if they had one. Gotta fill the time between raping somehow.

One thing I have learnt from FFXU, all fraternity members are rapists. Not just a few or even some, but in fact 100% are rapists. Thank you for enlightening me, oh great FFXU brain trust.

Sounds like a gutless sniveling douchebag frat-boy punk that is getting a little nervous.

I just retread the article and the stomach churning victim's account of events. Someone please cut and paste actual paragraph.

Jackie says that 7 guys raped her while Drew and another guy encouraged them. That makes 9 guys in the room and she doesn't say Drew raped her.

The guy is still scum of the earth but not a rapist.

Does anyone agree?

Anyone that lures someone to their frat to be ambushed and gang raped is at best a sex trafficker. Substantively worse than a rapist....

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> > Goober Slayer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Ok, I'm sorry you didn't get accepted to a decent
> school or even a fraternity and it still stings.
> Put your big boy pants on and get over it. Maybe
> if you weren't a judgemental asshole that relies
> on Rolling Stone for hard hitting news more people
> would accept you.


you call this school decent? everyone knows it isn't. uva alumni can't hear anyone but themselves. all the famous people have disgraced themselves and their school. place is full of morally bankrupt individuals.

College guys can do some REAL dumb and reckless things, including violence...fights, throwing bricks through frat windows, puking out windows, etc.

I know...I was once one.

Is anyone having a hard time imagining the horrible activity that was described in RS being perpetrated by a group of upper class college guys...in terms of it being viewed by some as pretty close to murder relating to its seriousness?

Is anyone envisioning the "logistics"? I knew some dirrrrrty dudes in college.,,does anybody know guys that would be OK with being the 2nd...3rd...4th...5th...6th...in the type of activity that was described?

Does the the whole scene as described seem "outrageous" to anyone? Was it something like 9 guys in a room at a party FOR HOURS? Where nobody said anything...before, during, or after...would some of these guys be scared out of their wits...the younger ones? Would there be ONE guy in there that starts freaking out, like holy sh** this is gross, awful, whatever...I can't take it?

Was it in fact 9 guys?

In any large group of guys, are there typically some A-holes, and, then there are some guys that probably have girlfriends, like to party a little, but are otherwise good guys, stand-up guys that are respected by their peers? Would anybody think that a few of these otherwise "good guys" would say something?

I certainly don't want to say the story is false...and I'm not.

Does anything seem surreal about it to anyone, overall, like it being beyond the pale of some pretty educated and motivated guys to engage in such a large group in activity that is so violent and awful? (I know, insert UVA joke or slam here)

Do the activities described seem to amount to a group of guys basically risking their lives for something that doesn't sound enjoyable at all?

I dunno.

Did I miss something in the article-did the girl in fact go to police?

I am wondering why, if she did not, is the idea that "survivors" don't like doing that because of potential "embarassment"?

If so, why would one later tell their story nationally, in a mag like RS? Wouldn't that exposure be 1000X the exposure one was trying to avoid earlier by not going to the police?

Again, I dunno. Just asking.

Understandably, there is a great deal of anger...and of course the act described is simply awful and beyond reprehensible.

Are there any similarities to the Duke situation a few years ago that might cause one to say,,,let's be diligent about gathering as much info and facts, and wait and see what happens as the facts evolve, and make judgments then?

If not, why not?

Again, just asking, to make sure I understand how things are lining up and what people might think...

We know that a gang rape happened in Phi Psi in 1984. Google Liz Securro/William Beebe. Not too much of a stretch to believe it happened again. The victim was traumatized. The article says 7 rapists, but doesn't make clear whether Drew was one of them or not. If you have young guys who have been drinking and desperately want to be accepted, it's not much of a stretch to see this happening, especially when we know for a fact, based on court records, that it has happened before. I just hope the victim kept her clothes from that night or anything with DNA on it. Sweat, semen, saliva...anything.

All frat boys are definitely not rapists. Drew only stood by.

That's how deeply ingrained this rape culture is at UVA. Time to lawyer up frat boys. The frat party is over.

CD is doing a great job covering the situation: http://www.cavalierdaily.com/

4 year in state tuition.

High profile defense team.

Spending the next few years tying to not be convicted and have to register as a Sex Offender!

Getting your wrists slapped after spending all your parents money, PRICELESS!!

If these dimwits would have used their bigger heads, they could have used mom and dads cash to go on to get their MBA or Law Degree. What a TOTAL waste of mental capacity and future promise.

Oh, yea these are the future leaders and politicians of tomorrow. BEWARE.

Funny how when you are privileged and sexually assault someone at a prestigious University there are few if any consequences.

The problem is if these victims come forward in a college situation, they likely will need to transfer out of a place they have worked hard to get into and have made their home for the past year or more. So the victims have a double whammy.

In the real world victims do not likely know their attacker and will not living, learning and socializing in a small circle where so many people will likely know the history of the circumstances.

99% of these "rape" claims are women ashamed of the behavior they consented to the night before. The "no" is all hindsight. In the old days young people partied. Now there is these woman-only "rape shield" thing.

I reject the notion that if a woman drinks it is everyone else's responsibility to figure out if she's really interested in hooking up if she's all over a guy. You avoid getting hit by a train by staying off the tracks, both guys and girls can avoid trouble by not drinking so fucking much.

Welcome to the world of consequences, being 19 or 20 or 23 is already too late to be learning that actions have consequences. It is like saying it is unfair that gravity delivered a dropped brick to your foot. Stop fucking up and start living smarter.

If having drunk sex you wish you hadn't had is the consequence, then learn and don't drink so much. Or how about this, sit around and drink with a few friends instead of going to a fraternity house where everyone has expected that exact behavior as long as there have been fraternities.

This is the result of helicopter parents not letting their kids take a few unfair whacks and penalties while growing up, help them grow some cahones. They would have learned some self respect enough to maybe not be interested in something so pointless as joining or drinking at a frat.

This is bullshit. Dudes at UVa are flaming queers and have zippy interest in raping women.

Apparently UVA law school also covered up some rapes and told female law students not to report because it would hurt their legal careers. This guy supposedly raped some law fellow UVA law students, who eventually came forward when a townie accused him of rape in 2012. He plead guilty and only got 30 days.

http://www.cvillepedia.org/mediawiki/index.php/Christopher_J._Dumler

truth tellerz Wrote:
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> 99% of these "rape" claims are women ashamed of
> the behavior they consented to the night before.
> The "no" is all hindsight. In the old days young
> people partied. Now there is these woman-only
> "rape shield" thing.
>
> I reject the notion that if a woman drinks it is
> everyone else's responsibility to figure out if
> she's really interested in hooking up if she's all
> over a guy. You avoid getting hit by a train by
> staying off the tracks, both guys and girls can
> avoid trouble by not drinking so fucking much.
>
> Welcome to the world of consequences, being 19 or
> 20 or 23 is already too late to be learning that
> actions have consequences. It is like saying it
> is unfair that gravity delivered a dropped brick
> to your foot. Stop fucking up and start living
> smarter.
>
> If having drunk sex you wish you hadn't had is the
> consequence, then learn and don't drink so much.
> Or how about this, sit around and drink with a few
> friends instead of going to a fraternity house
> where everyone has expected that exact behavior as
> long as there have been fraternities.

Raping drunk women is just as bad as raping sober women. UVA frat boys just can't get their heads around this simple concept.

No amount of victim blaming will get them out of the shit this time.

See ya later frat boys.

"rape culture" is crap. If indeed anything ever happened, punishing current students = stupid beyond belief.

College today = crapfest.

All frat boys are rapists Wrote:
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> One thing I have learnt from FFXU, all fraternity
> members are rapists. Not just a few or even some,
> but in fact 100% are rapists. Thank you for
> enlightening me, oh great FFXU brain trust.



These days, certain frats attract, or in a better word, recruit, a certain type of individual. They look for wealth, parental power, party boy mentality, looks (to attract the women), and self-confidence (inflated ego). The image of frat membership resembling the outside world, in many cases, is not realistic. When you have all, or most of, those elements in an individual, and then group that individual socially with others of the same description (in a safe and secure frat house), the result in many cases is a mentality for the disregard of the mores and laws of the community, and a brashness of self-awareness and self-righteousness that most of the outside world find repugnant when the facade of displayed dignity is let down.

That being said, with the availability of alcohol, energy enhancing drinks and pills, the explosion of drugs like Viagra and Ritalin on US campuses, and cheap weed, the result is a concoction of excitable, horny, stupid, hyped-up young men acting like animals for self-gratification and perceived power. Who couldn’t see this coming? I mean, they make Lifetime Channel movies about it every year.

truth tellerz Wrote:
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> 99% of these "rape" claims are women ashamed of
> the behavior they consented to the night before.
> The "no" is all hindsight. In the old days young
> people partied. Now there is these woman-only
> "rape shield" thing.


What the hell are you talking about?

how dem helicopters now Wrote:
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> This is the result of helicopter parents not
> letting their kids take a few unfair whacks and
> penalties while growing up, help them grow some
> cahones. They would have learned some self
> respect enough to maybe not be interested in
> something so pointless as joining or drinking at a
> frat.


quite the contrary

did the frat boy have frat fathers and enabling mothers? look at hugely's parents, father was an ass who bought his son drinks and showed him how to be a heathen to carry on his glory days. was the mother a gold digger? did she allow her son to think this was ok?

do the rape victims go on to marry these rich jerkoffs to keep the game going? do they need friends and connections that badly?

better to have less wealth and more integrity

snail Wrote:
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> how dem helicopters now Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This is the result of helicopter parents not
> > letting their kids take a few unfair whacks and
> > penalties while growing up, help them grow some
> > cahones. They would have learned some self
> > respect enough to maybe not be interested in
> > something so pointless as joining or drinking at
> a
> > frat.
>
>
> quite the contrary
>
> did the frat boy have frat fathers and enabling
> mothers? look at hugely's parents, father was an
> ass who bought his son drinks and showed him how
> to be a heathen to carry on his glory days. was
> the mother a gold digger? did she allow her son
> to think this was ok?
>
> do the rape victims go on to marry these rich
> jerkoffs to keep the game going? do they need
> friends and connections that badly?
>
> better to have less wealth and more integrity


A lot of parents these days are trying to have their kids live the lives they had as teens or live even better lives than they had as teens.

Seeing too many parents buying weed, booze and other things for the kids. Not sure where/how the parents think this is a good idea, maybe the parents are still using and they think they should enable the kids?? Maybe the parents think if they score the weed, then they are keeping their kids out of harms way?

I also see parents always getting their kids out of trouble rather than telling their kids they are dumb asses and they need to sufferer the consequences. Put the kid on the corner with a sign and say he screwed up.

But with Social Media, everyone wants to put on the fresh face and so how successful the family is. Half of this is a bunch of crap. Few people live the storybook Facebook lives they depict.

The University of Hard Knocks is a FAR SUPERIOR institution that UVA or almost every other University/College in the country. Sometimes you have to suck it up and pay the piper.

Just does not make sense.

Here's the typical high school male bound for UVA: excellent grades, nerdy clubs, no sports, no high school girlfriends, definitely a virgin. Most have never even kissed a girl.

How does this guy get laid in college? Pledge a fraternity. T

Hey Dean Wormer: If you want to know how a guy gets laid in college, ask Bill Clinton. He raped a few women, he'll let you know how it went.

Nope. The guys pledging the sought-after frats usually come from rich families that couldn't get into Harvard b/c they didn't have the grades or the $$$$.

Dean Wormer,
You forgot: crappy SATs which is also why they couldn't go to the ivy league. Fag, Drunk and Stupid is no way to go through life, son.

real life Wrote:
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> Dean Wormer,
> You forgot: crappy SATs which is also why they
> couldn't go to the ivy league. Fag, Drunk and
> Stupid is no way to go through life, son.

I see what you did there.

If I'm a guy in that frat in 2012 and wasn't one of the rapists, I'm singing like a canary to the cops right now.

Behind the scenes Wrote:
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> If I'm a guy in that frat in 2012 and wasn't one
> of the rapists, I'm singing like a canary to the
> cops right now.

. . . While at the same time trying to figure out how to get laid with sloppy 11ths probably off the table for a while.

According to UVA admission data, the ratio is

55 percent female

45 percent male

Might be part of the problem

You can bet the farm that Sullivan will be gone when this is all over.

She has looked the other way too many times with these frat animals.

This isn't just about rape, they nearly killed a few kids during hazing.

One kid had a bac of .45...it's a miracle he lived.

Another kid was in a coma after chugging a quart of soy sauce.

The punishments handed downin these cases....

Frat members were demoted from leadership positions and they had to promise that at least 6 brothers would be sober during events.

Wow, they are tough.

Heck, gang rape is just another walk in the park for these guys.

Seriously fucked up school.

uva boys are in the same league as the busload of men who gang raped the young women in india

"According to UVA admission data, the ratio is

55 percent female

45 percent male

Might be part of the problem"


This is the ratio at 95% of colleges in the USA. I don't think this is creating the "culture of rape".

To all you MOTHERs and FATHERs of fraternity WAHOO sons:

What about your daughters?????????????????????????

Stop raising rapists.

Stop coddling rapists.

Stop rapists from raping.

Yes means yes. No means no. Yes over no = RAPE !!!

I understand that the Board of Visitors had an emergency meeting in which they all speechified and committed and called for action and change. And they spent the last 40 minutes laughing and chuckling about various silly statements. One member even chided them for giving the impression that "nothing has changed". He's right.

They don't plan to change. The 'worthies' of C-ville will create more deans, administrators, counsellors and receptionists and comfortable offices. Nothing, however, will help the 18-year old barefoot outside the frat house at 3AM recovering from some new mystery date rape drug. She won't be believed. A dean will explain how long and arduous the task is to actually prosecute the rapists, and life in Whooville will go on.

But it won't. This is a national story. One more rape 'event' and UVA will not recover its reputation for a generation. They clearly don't realize how deep shit they are really in.

The Last Laugh Wrote:
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> I understand that the Board of Visitors had an
> emergency meeting in which they all speechified
> and committed and called for action and change.
> And they spent the last 40 minutes laughing and
> chuckling about various silly statements. One
> member even chided them for giving the impression
> that "nothing has changed". He's right.
>
> They don't plan to change. The 'worthies' of
> C-ville will create more deans, administrators,
> counsellors and receptionists and comfortable
> offices. Nothing, however, will help the 18-year
> old barefoot outside the frat house at 3AM
> recovering from some new mystery date rape drug.
> She won't be believed. A dean will explain how
> long and arduous the task is to actually prosecute
> the rapists, and life in Whooville will go on.
>
> But it won't. This is a national story. One more
> rape 'event' and UVA will not recover its
> reputation for a generation. They clearly don't
> realize how deep shit they are really in.


You sound like you need to get laid.

Whether or not the RS is accurate and factual the damage has been done.

It is close enough to reality and if the events in the story were not 100% true, they depict some of the bad behavior and disrespect for women that occur at any college party, Frat house or not.

BUT, the bigger issue is how the school deal with allegations and reports of assault on campus and the way many schools convince victims it is not a good idea to go forward with pressing charges. This behavior probably colors the statics of assaults on college campus and hides this problem back in the shadows.

UVA has hired and outside Lawfirm to "investigate" this situation, lets hope that there are not too many UVA Alumni at this Lawfirm and lets also how this "Lawfirm" has experience with investigations and is not just a clearing house for the UVA positions and comments over the next few years.

Sad this had to occur at UVA and possibly involve a lot of Northern VA residents/students, but it is what it is.

This will be/should be a defining moment in the way students behave on campuses nationwide and how the school Administration deals with and handles claims of assault in the future.

watch the law and order sexual victims unit episode on school gang rape and imagine if you were the girl or one of her family members

More Feminazis out of control. They are trying to impose collective punishment on all men because of the actions of a few. Greek life is an important part of UVA and yes, they do have some social functions.

How about calling the cops after a rape instead of waiting two years and then going public? Sounds suspicious to me.

I went to college a long time ago (William & Mary) and I have yet to determine what the exact purpose of frats and sororities is?

All I saw was drunkenness, flag football teams, drunkenness, huge out of control parties, and drunkenness. Since I had zero interest in the Greek life while in college, I dont know what went on in the deep dark dungeons of the frat houses but I'm sure some raping was happening. Personally, I felt most of the frat guys I even barely knew were egotistical flaming A holes.

Al Ameriki Wrote:
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> I went to college a long time ago (William & Mary)
> and I have yet to determine what the exact purpose
> of frats and sororities is?
>
> All I saw was drunkenness, flag football teams,
> drunkenness, huge out of control parties, and
> drunkenness. Since I had zero interest in the
> Greek life while in college, I dont know what went
> on in the deep dark dungeons of the frat houses
> but I'm sure some raping was happening.
> Personally, I felt most of the frat guys I even
> barely knew were egotistical flaming A holes.

And William and Mary is where the UVA students that were serious would want to go!

Also a lot of W&M seem to be egotistical flaming A holes anyway.

TJ himself was a W&M flaming redhead (rapist).

TJ didn't rape anyone. The negroes were his lawful property.

Tom Ginger Wrote:
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> TJ didn't rape anyone. The negroes were his lawful
> property.

Bed wench!

3MPXM Wrote:
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> Al Ameriki Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I went to college a long time ago (William &
> Mary)
> > and I have yet to determine what the exact
> purpose
> > of frats and sororities is?
> >
> > All I saw was drunkenness, flag football teams,
> > drunkenness, huge out of control parties, and
> > drunkenness. Since I had zero interest in the
> > Greek life while in college, I dont know what
> went
> > on in the deep dark dungeons of the frat houses
> > but I'm sure some raping was happening.
> > Personally, I felt most of the frat guys I even
> > barely knew were egotistical flaming A holes.
>
> And William and Mary is where the UVA students
> that were serious would want to go!
>
> Also a lot of W&M seem to be egotistical flaming A
> holes anyway.

Back in the 80's when I was living in Williamsburg and had an older brother at W&M in a frat they were to busy tripping on acid to rape anyone. Everyone in his frat was the antitheses of what you would think of when you thought of frat boys. That frat was my high schools go-to source for weed though.

Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> Legitimate rape at college campuses is extremely
> low in America. What actually happens is some
> woman gets intoxicated to the point they black out
> and wake up the next morning with some frat guy
> next to them.
>
>
> That's the "rape" which is going on. It's pathetic
> journalism when they can't come up with other news
> at the time.


And a woman (or man) who is so intoxicated they are blacked out has the presence of mind to consent to sex? You're a troglodyte and a moron.

If the woman was inebriated to the point where she can't remember giving consent, that's her problem. If she broke any laws while in that drunken condition, including driving drunk, she would be held accountable. she cannot whine she was raped because he was too drunk to remember. It is positively ate full for her to do so.

Rondo Wrote:
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> If the woman was inebriated to the point where she
> can't remember giving consent, that's her problem.
> If she broke any laws while in that drunken
> condition, including driving drunk, she would be
> held accountable. she cannot whine she was raped
> because he was too drunk to remember. It is
> positively ate full for her to do so.


Really, Rondo? Picture this: You're at a gay bar with a friend [after all, YOU'RE not gay, but you're progressive enough to have gay friends] and you get trashed. Your buddy takes you back to his place, with great intentions - he doesn't want you to drink & drive, and face those consequences - but the problem is with the massive bear he decided to take home with him [and YOU]. And that bear just happens to cornhole the shit out of you because, well, you SAID you wanted it, but don't exactly remember. Are you raped? If not, let me take you to Club 216. You're an easy target; afterwards we'll talk, if you can stop sobbing long enough.

Lololo! U r a pathetic gutless little whiny scumbag aren't you. Look here pussy, if the stupid little whore can't handle her alcohol, too phukkin bad. U ignorant piece of puke.


Love, Rondo

LOL@ Really? Picture this Rondo Wrote:
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> Lololo! U r a pathetic gutless little whiny
> scumbag aren't you. Look here pussy, if the stupid
> little whore can't handle her alcohol, too phukkin
> bad. U ignorant piece of puke.
>
>
> Love, Rondo

I'll wait for the original Rondo to respond; you are clearly an impostor as you have NO grasp of the English language, proper grammar and punctuation. You must be a UVrApe PhiPsi alum protecting your "brothers", or you have in fact yourself participated in date rape (perhaps at UVrApe?) and justified it through this type of thought process.

That said, ImposterRondo, do you have a sister I can take out - or even better, your mother or maybe a daughter over the legal age of consent? According to you, it will be THEIR fault if they can't say no, for whatever reason. I'll buy her a steak dinner and be a perfect gentleman, but you'll never know about the NEXT guy that takes her out.

You really ARE an idiot. Incidentally, look up the word "brummagem" - it will expand your lacking vocabulary.

Hey brummagen, u illiterate moronic jackass, on what planet do u live where u think an insult goes answered. You fukkin ignorant assswipe.


PS- look up the word "brummagen", it may increase your exiguous vocabulary. Asswipe.

to brummagem Rondo Wrote:
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> LOL@ Really? Picture this Rondo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lololo! U r a pathetic gutless little whiny
> > scumbag aren't you. Look here pussy, if the
> stupid
> > little whore can't handle her alcohol, too
> phukkin
> > bad. U ignorant piece of puke.
> >
> >
> > Love, Rondo
>
> I'll wait for the original Rondo to respond; you
> are clearly an impostor as you have NO grasp of
> the English language, proper grammar and
> punctuation. You must be a UVrApe PhiPsi alum
> protecting your "brothers", or you have in fact
> yourself participated in date rape (perhaps at
> UVrApe?) and justified it through this type of
> thought process.
>
> That said, ImposterRondo, do you have a sister I
> can take out - or even better, your mother or
> maybe a daughter over the legal age of consent?
> According to you, it will be THEIR fault if they
> can't say no, for whatever reason. I'll buy her a
> steak dinner and be a perfect gentleman, but
> you'll never know about the NEXT guy that takes
> her out.
>
> You really ARE an idiot. Incidentally, look up
> the word "brummagem" - it will expand your lacking
> vocabulary.

Damn, brothas be trippin. Ain't you know a corpse don't regret nothin. Sound like you'd both be better off just banging dead ones. It's clear you don't need they to want you or anything.

Really? Picture this, Rondo Wrote:
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> Rondo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the woman was inebriated to the point where
> she
> > can't remember giving consent, that's her
> problem.
> > If she broke any laws while in that drunken
> > condition, including driving drunk, she would
> be
> > held accountable. she cannot whine she was
> raped
> > because he was too drunk to remember. It is
> > positively ate full for her to do so.
>
>
> Really, Rondo? Picture this: You're at a gay bar
> with a friend [after all, YOU'RE not gay, but
> you're progressive enough to have gay friends] and
> you get trashed. Your buddy takes you back to his
> place, with great intentions - he doesn't want you
> to drink & drive, and face those consequences -
> but the problem is with the massive bear he
> decided to take home with him [and YOU]. And that
> bear just happens to cornhole the shit out of you
> because, well, you SAID you wanted it, but don't
> exactly remember. Are you raped? If not, let me
> take you to Club 216. You're an easy target;
> afterwards we'll talk, if you can stop sobbing
> long enough.

+ 100

Rondo/imposter Rondo, you rock! Plus 1,000!

http://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-cantor-emphasizes-leadership-and-entrepreneurial-spirit

Well well well... Former (and in September 2012 in office and powerful) Congressman Eric Cantor's youngest son Michael "Mikey" Cantor was a freshman at UVA in September 2012 and he pledged Phi Psi. So maybe that's why the school kept it quiet. Frat bros new best friend was the son of a Congressman. Was Mikey in Phi Psi house that night? Did his rushing that spring inoculate the frat from investigation?

Teddy Kennedy went to law school at UVA. Of course, he drowned his mistress, rather than rape her. Tootaloo....

Kennedy was a democrat right? Well, well, well...

Rondo Wrote:
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> If the woman was inebriated to the point where she
> can't remember giving consent, that's her problem.
> If she broke any laws while in that drunken
> condition, including driving drunk, she would be
> held accountable. she cannot whine she was raped
> because he was too drunk to remember. It is
> positively ate full for her to do so.


Rajon - what if she wasn't inebriated? Then what do you say? Look...I was in a fraternity and my brother was also in a fraternity at UVA (though not Phi Kappa Psi). I feel like the Rolling Stone article was pretty harsh on Greek Life. I could not even imagine something like that happening when I was in school and my fraternity had a lot of meatheads...we used to pull ass all the time (unlike you I'm guessing). That said, we didn't rape chicks or try to make them do anything against their will. Your post reminds me of that dude Elliott Rodger. I'm guessing you get no pussy and are a little resentful towards women.