So, as I understand it, the couple who killed the sworn police officers in Las Vegas over the weekend sneaked up on the officers and killed them while the police officers were (appropiately, of course, for officers) "open carrying."

This tends to validate the arguments I have seen from both gun advocates and opponents of guns on this site who assert it is stupid for civilians to open carry for self defense purposes because such people make themselves the very first targets for a gunman who wishes to carry out a rampage shooting.

In light of this, I am curious about whether any open-carry advocates who have supported allowing people to open carry AR-15s, AK-47s, handguns, and other firearms on the streets of Fairfax County and into buildings in the County are reconsidering the wisdom of such actions?

Open-Carry Opponent Wrote:
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> So, as I understand it, the couple who killed the
> sworn police officers in Las Vegas over the
> weekend sneaked up on the officers and killed them
> while the police officers were (appropiately, of
> course, for officers) "open carrying."
>
> This tends to validate the arguments I have seen
> from both gun advocates and opponents of guns on
> this site who assert it is stupid for civilians to
> open carry for self defense purposes because such
> people make themselves the very first targets for
> a gunman who wishes to carry out a rampage
> shooting.
>
> In light of this, I am curious about whether any
> open-carry advocates who have supported allowing
> people to open carry AR-15s, AK-47s, handguns, and
> other firearms on the streets of Fairfax County
> and into buildings in the County are reconsidering
> the wisdom of such actions?


Yeah, case the two facist nuts wouldn't have broken the law if there was one against open carry. Libtardz are just soooooooooo stupid.

Gun-nuts are goobers. Very little processing capacity exists over there. They don't understand for instance that one of the things that home burglars most like to burgle is -- GUNS! So they put NRA stickers all over their pickup trucks, then leave those parked in the driveway while they drive off to whatever oddball job they have this week. Might as well put up a PLEASE ROB MY HOME sign, but the goobers don't get it. Never will either. Didn't come with enough RAM installed.

Open-Carry Opponent Wrote:
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> So, as I understand it, the couple who killed the
> sworn police officers in Las Vegas over the
> weekend sneaked up on the officers and killed them
> while the police officers were (appropiately, of
> course, for officers) "open carrying."
>
> This tends to validate the arguments I have seen
> from both gun advocates and opponents of guns on
> this site who assert it is stupid for civilians to
> open carry for self defense purposes because such
> people make themselves the very first targets for
> a gunman who wishes to carry out a rampage
> shooting.
>
> In light of this, I am curious about whether any
> open-carry advocates who have supported allowing
> people to open carry AR-15s, AK-47s, handguns, and
> other firearms on the streets of Fairfax County
> and into buildings in the County are reconsidering
> the wisdom of such actions?

Cops have always been targeted by scumbags, whether they're carrying or not. You're an idiot for suggesting they were targeted for arming themselves against the human filth that actually killed them.

I own numerous firearms and am a concealed-carry proponent. That being said, I think carrying long guns into a business establishment is retarded.

Because of these morons, business chains are slowly banning all firearms from the premises. It's ruining the right of everyone else who wants to either conceal or open carry a sidearm for self-defense.

It's No Use Wrote:
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> Gun-nuts are goobers. Very little processing
> capacity exists over there. They don't understand
> for instance that one of the things that home
> burglars most like to burgle is -- GUNS! So they
> put NRA stickers all over their pickup trucks,
> then leave those parked in the driveway while they
> drive off to whatever oddball job they have this
> week. Might as well put up a PLEASE ROB MY HOME
> sign, but the goobers don't get it. Never will
> either. Didn't come with enough RAM installed.


That's stupid

It's No Use Wrote:
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> Gun-nuts are goobers. Very little processing
> capacity exists over there. They don't understand
> for instance that one of the things that home
> burglars most like to burgle is -- GUNS! So they
> put NRA stickers all over their pickup trucks,
> then leave those parked in the driveway while they
> drive off to whatever oddball job they have this
> week. Might as well put up a PLEASE ROB MY HOME
> sign, but the goobers don't get it. Never will
> either. Didn't come with enough RAM installed.

+ 1000

I am not anti gun but I am 100% against the open carry of long rifles in stores/malls/etc. I think 80% of people shouldn't be driving a car let alone walking around with a rifle. If I don't know you then I don't trust you, and if I don't trust you, I sure as hell don't want to be around you when you're showing off your gun.
This is a prime example of why we have to give up certain freedoms to enjoy our freedom. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding, good people but their freedom to carry around their long rifles is compromised by the idiots who are not law abiding, good people. How do I know if the man/woman walking into Target with an AR-15 is a friendly neighbor just out to run errands or the next mass murderer starting their day?
Some would argue that my example of the friendly neighbor with the AR-15 could save my life if a criminal shooter showed up. That is absolutely true. That could happen. But I'm not ready to be in store with a bunch of armed people I do not know and therefore who's judgement I do not trust.

Open-Carry Opponent Wrote:
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> In light of this, I am curious about whether any
> open-carry advocates who have supported allowing
> people to open carry AR-15s, AK-47s, handguns, and
> other firearms on the streets of Fairfax County
> and into buildings in the County are reconsidering
> the wisdom of such actions?

The only thing gun nuts ever "reconsider" is whether they should have eaten that 23,671 calorie dinner when they can't fall asleep 5 hours later because their stomach hurts.

But they forget all about it by the next morning, because, as someone else stated, there just isn't much processing capacity upstairs. :-)

Kilton Wrote:
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> Open-Carry Opponent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In light of this, I am curious about whether
> any
> > open-carry advocates who have supported
> allowing
> > people to open carry AR-15s, AK-47s, handguns,
> and
> > other firearms on the streets of Fairfax County
> > and into buildings in the County are
> reconsidering
> > the wisdom of such actions?
>
> The only thing gun nuts ever "reconsider" is
> whether they should have eaten that 23,671 calorie
> dinner when they can't fall asleep 5 hours later
> because their stomach hurts.
>
> But they forget all about it by the next morning,
> because, as someone else stated, there just isn't
> much processing capacity upstairs. :-)

Please stop the stupid. It hurts!

Kilton Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Open-Carry Opponent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In light of this, I am curious about whether
> any
> > open-carry advocates who have supported
> allowing
> > people to open carry AR-15s, AK-47s, handguns,
> and
> > other firearms on the streets of Fairfax County
> > and into buildings in the County are
> reconsidering
> > the wisdom of such actions?
>
> The only thing gun nuts ever "reconsider" is
> whether they should have eaten that 23,671 calorie
> dinner when they can't fall asleep 5 hours later
> because their stomach hurts.
>
> But they forget all about it by the next morning,
> because, as someone else stated, there just isn't
> much processing capacity upstairs. :-)


I'm so glad you are cuddled next to me 5 hours after I go to bed. ;)

Jump65 Wrote:
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> But I'm not ready to be
> in store with a bunch of armed people I do not
> know and therefore who's judgement I do not trust.

I AM ready to be in a store blissfully unaware of the victimizers - armed or not - who are sizing me up to see if they believe 'the score' would justify the risk. What I don't know won't hurt ME!!

... (returns to shopping) ... humming 'lah, lah, lah, dee, lah' ... contemplating a restful afternoon, just feeding the pigeons those fresh rolls he just bought for $0.87 apiece... and reading the latest story about Glorious Leader in Peoples magazin.

LOL. I know you wiseacres might say something about trusting the judgement of other drivers while I'm using my car. GOT YOU!! I ride a bicycle!

If I ever see a person with a long rifle or any other type of assault firearm in a restaurant / target etc..., I will disarm them and hold them AGAINST THEIR WILL until the police come.

At that point they can say "I am a good guy", until then they will be rightfully viewed as a danger to my life, as well as everyone else there.

All the while during the wait for the police I will berate them on how cowardly and weak minded they are added that they are a fucking cunt pussy etc...

Here is the thing, I will get 2 or 3 other NORMAL people to agree that the fuckhead carrying the long rifle is a danger and to help me disarm them and forcefully take them down until the police arrive.

I wish EVERYONE would adapt this action, so that these retards realize they are treading on our rights and we will use force to stop them.

This only applies to the pussies who open carry into public businesses - they only do this to cause problems and boost their egos. I would bet that the majority of sane gun owners agree that public businesses are no place to open carry long rifles.

I would welcome laws to be enacted to make the above action illegal, but we all know the GOP is bought and paid for by the NRA, so they would obstruct any legislation - just as they have always.

Before any of you gun-nuts say I would be breaking the law, fuck off and you are wrong. I have every right to defend myself against any reasonable threat. A person carrying a assault weapon into a business = a threat, undeniable. The open carrier can explain themselves to the police, which will just end up both parties walking away with no charges.

If enough people stand up and disarm these fools like I said above, then they will cease in being dumbasses.

Oh yeah, almost forgot, the open carry asswipe could never shoot anyone around them who is not armed, so the argument that people would "Get shot" is false - unless the idiot wants to go to jail for murder. One of these guys is going to murder someone, by accident or when people start to berate them for being such a giant pussy.

Mark my words, soon a headline will read "Open carry advocate kills unarmed man in(insert public business) who was yelling at him about endangering everyone in the (insert public business).

Yup, open carry = first target.

Please.

Please.

Please.

Agree with me.

I've got to start somewhere.

And I can't get no traction.

Please.

Please.

Let's pass just one more law that infringes on the right to keep and bear arms.

Please.

PLEASE!

We've got to get some momentum going here.

The problem is, the Bill of Rights people understand all about slippery slopes. Forget what happened in Great Britain. Forget what happened in Australia.

We just need to pass one new law.

Promise.

Then we'll shut up. And not infringe any further on Bill of Rights matters.

Promise!!

Would we lie to you?

KdJmh Wrote:
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> If I ever see a person with a long rifle or any
> other type of assault firearm in a restaurant /
> target etc..., I will disarm them and hold them
> AGAINST THEIR WILL until the police come.
>
> At that point they can say "I am a good guy",
> until then they will be rightfully viewed as a
> danger to my life, as well as everyone else
> there.
>
> All the while during the wait for the police I
> will berate them on how cowardly and weak minded
> they are added that they are a fucking cunt pussy
> etc...
>
> Here is the thing, I will get 2 or 3 other NORMAL
> people to agree that the fuckhead carrying the
> long rifle is a danger and to help me disarm them
> and forcefully take them down until the police
> arrive.
>
> I wish EVERYONE would adapt this action, so that
> these retards realize they are treading on our
> rights and we will use force to stop them.
>
> This only applies to the pussies who open carry
> into public businesses - they only do this to
> cause problems and boost their egos. I would bet
> that the majority of sane gun owners agree that
> public businesses are no place to open carry long
> rifles.
>
> I would welcome laws to be enacted to make the
> above action illegal, but we all know the GOP is
> bought and paid for by the NRA, so they would
> obstruct any legislation - just as they have
> always.
>
> Before any of you gun-nuts say I would be breaking
> the law, fuck off and you are wrong. I have every
> right to defend myself against any reasonable
> threat. A person carrying a assault weapon into a
> business = a threat, undeniable. The open carrier
> can explain themselves to the police, which will
> just end up both parties walking away with no
> charges.
>
> If enough people stand up and disarm these fools
> like I said above, then they will cease in being
> dumbasses.
>
> Oh yeah, almost forgot, the open carry asswipe
> could never shoot anyone around them who is not
> armed, so the argument that people would "Get
> shot" is false - unless the idiot wants to go to
> jail for murder. One of these guys is going to
> murder someone, by accident or when people start
> to berate them for being such a giant pussy.
>
> Mark my words, soon a headline will read "Open
> carry advocate kills unarmed man in(insert public
> business) who was yelling at him about endangering
> everyone in the (insert public business).


No, you won't.

And if you did, then you'd be the one arrested and going to jail.

People like you scare me more than the open carry idiots.

KdJmh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If I ever see a person with a long rifle or any
> other type of assault firearm in a restaurant /
> target etc..., I will disarm them and hold them
> AGAINST THEIR WILL until the police come.
>
> At that point they can say "I am a good guy",
> until then they will be rightfully viewed as a
> danger to my life, as well as everyone else
> there.
>
> All the while during the wait for the police I
> will berate them on how cowardly and weak minded
> they are added that they are a fucking cunt pussy
> etc...
>
> Here is the thing, I will get 2 or 3 other NORMAL
> people to agree that the fuckhead carrying the
> long rifle is a danger and to help me disarm them
> and forcefully take them down until the police
> arrive.
>
> I wish EVERYONE would adapt this action, so that
> these retards realize they are treading on our
> rights and we will use force to stop them.
>
> This only applies to the pussies who open carry
> into public businesses - they only do this to
> cause problems and boost their egos. I would bet
> that the majority of sane gun owners agree that
> public businesses are no place to open carry long
> rifles.
>
> I would welcome laws to be enacted to make the
> above action illegal, but we all know the GOP is
> bought and paid for by the NRA, so they would
> obstruct any legislation - just as they have
> always.
>
> Before any of you gun-nuts say I would be breaking
> the law, fuck off and you are wrong. I have every
> right to defend myself against any reasonable
> threat. A person carrying a assault weapon into a
> business = a threat, undeniable. The open carrier
> can explain themselves to the police, which will
> just end up both parties walking away with no
> charges.
>
> If enough people stand up and disarm these fools
> like I said above, then they will cease in being
> dumbasses.
>
> Oh yeah, almost forgot, the open carry asswipe
> could never shoot anyone around them who is not
> armed, so the argument that people would "Get
> shot" is false - unless the idiot wants to go to
> jail for murder. One of these guys is going to
> murder someone, by accident or when people start
> to berate them for being such a giant pussy.
>
> Mark my words, soon a headline will read "Open
> carry advocate kills unarmed man in(insert public
> business) who was yelling at him about endangering
> everyone in the (insert public business).


You sir are a serious fucking retard.

You are also full of shit.

KdJmh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If I ever see a person with a long rifle or any
> other type of assault firearm in a restaurant /
> target etc..., I will disarm them and hold them
> AGAINST THEIR WILL until the police come.
>
> At that point they can say "I am a good guy",
> until then they will be rightfully viewed as a
> danger to my life, as well as everyone else
> there.
>
> All the while during the wait for the police I
> will berate them on how cowardly and weak minded
> they are added that they are a fucking cunt pussy
> etc...
>
> Here is the thing, I will get 2 or 3 other NORMAL
> people to agree that the fuckhead carrying the
> long rifle is a danger and to help me disarm them
> and forcefully take them down until the police
> arrive.
>
> I wish EVERYONE would adapt this action, so that
> these retards realize they are treading on our
> rights and we will use force to stop them.
>
> This only applies to the pussies who open carry
> into public businesses - they only do this to
> cause problems and boost their egos. I would bet
> that the majority of sane gun owners agree that
> public businesses are no place to open carry long
> rifles.
>
> I would welcome laws to be enacted to make the
> above action illegal, but we all know the GOP is
> bought and paid for by the NRA, so they would
> obstruct any legislation - just as they have
> always.
>
> Before any of you gun-nuts say I would be breaking
> the law, fuck off and you are wrong. I have every
> right to defend myself against any reasonable
> threat. A person carrying a assault weapon into a
> business = a threat, undeniable. The open carrier
> can explain themselves to the police, which will
> just end up both parties walking away with no
> charges.
>
> If enough people stand up and disarm these fools
> like I said above, then they will cease in being
> dumbasses.
>
> Oh yeah, almost forgot, the open carry asswipe
> could never shoot anyone around them who is not
> armed, so the argument that people would "Get
> shot" is false - unless the idiot wants to go to
> jail for murder. One of these guys is going to
> murder someone, by accident or when people start
> to berate them for being such a giant pussy.
>
> Mark my words, soon a headline will read "Open
> carry advocate kills unarmed man in(insert public
> business) who was yelling at him about endangering
> everyone in the (insert public business).

Ladies and gentlemen, here's the original ITG. Let's give him a hand.
Attachments:

Gun loons never outgrew playing cowboys and Indians. You can't reason with these paranoid cases of arrested development.

And there they are -

"You would get arrested" = False

"No you won't" = False, I have, took down a guy at a 7-11, removed his side-arm and another person helped me hold him there until the police arrived. The guy was PISSED and rambled about his rights, but the officer explained that the other person (me) and others felt threatened and RIGHTFULLY detained you until it could be proven you had no bad intentions. I walked away happy and the gun-nut, with tail between legs, walked away feeling like the pussy he was and is...the officer did warn me that I can not cause any bodily harm outside of a reasonable takedown or charges could be pressed. He basically said you can detain but not beat the shit out of them.

No charges pressed because no laws were broken.

I do not feel like typing the appreciative comments made by people going in and out of the 7-11, while I, and another person, held this moron face down on the ground. They reflected the common sense of the majority of people and how these idiots need to be out of our lives.

You open carry into a business I am in, will get you delayed for a long time, humiliated in public, face down on the ground and reinforce the fact that you are a coward. And NOTHING will happen to me at all - I have a right to defend myself and the public from what PRESENTS ITSELF AS A DANGER TO OUR LIVES.

Walking into a public place of business with a long barrel or even a sidearm = DANGER, proven by the police that told that gun-nut to take a walk when no laws were broken.

nmFvX Wrote:
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> And there they are -
>
> "You would get arrested" = False
>
> "No you won't" = False, I have, took down a guy at
> a 7-11, removed his side-arm and another person
> helped me hold him there until the police arrived.
> The guy was PISSED and rambled about his rights,
> but the officer explained that the other person
> (me) and others felt threatened and RIGHTFULLY
> detained you until it could be proven you had no
> bad intentions. I walked away happy and the
> gun-nut, with tail between legs, walked away
> feeling like the pussy he was and is...the officer
> did warn me that I can not cause any bodily harm
> outside of a reasonable takedown or charges could
> be pressed. He basically said you can detain but
> not beat the shit out of them.
>
> No charges pressed because no laws were broken.
>
> I do not feel like typing the appreciative
> comments made by people going in and out of the
> 7-11, while I, and another person, held this moron
> face down on the ground. They reflected the common
> sense of the majority of people and how these
> idiots need to be out of our lives.
>
> You open carry into a business I am in, will get
> you delayed for a long time, humiliated in public,
> face down on the ground and reinforce the fact
> that you are a coward. And NOTHING will happen to
> me at all - I have a right to defend myself and
> the public from what PRESENTS ITSELF AS A DANGER
> TO OUR LIVES.
>
> Walking into a public place of business with a
> long barrel or even a sidearm = DANGER, proven by
> the police that told that gun-nut to take a walk
> when no laws were broken.

You've got to be the loon that fantasized about loucly guessing the size of a man's penis in a coffee shop.

In your fevered mind, many fantastical things happen.

Just like this supposed instance at 7-11 and your penis fantasies at the coffee place, the hallucinations and some of the voices you perceive in your mind aren't really occurring.

Since your earler posts, nmFvX, you've graduated from fantaszing that you spoke aloud (asking a man about his penis in front of others) to fantasizing that you 'took a man down.' This is a troubling development in your psychopathology.

Does the imaginary friend that helped you in this fantasy encounter at 7-11 talk with you? Often? Does he want you to hurt yourself? Does he want you to hurt others?

Please seek help from a different mental health professional than the one currently treating you. You are sinking deeper into your emotional malaise, and your current treatment team doesn't appear to be up to your unique challenges.

And, PLEASE!?!

Don't forget to take your medications!
.

nmFvX Wrote:
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> And there they are -
>
> "You would get arrested" = False
>
> "No you won't" = False, I have, took down a guy at
> a 7-11, removed his side-arm and another person
> helped me hold him there until the police arrived.
> The guy was PISSED and rambled about his rights,
> but the officer explained that the other person
> (me) and others felt threatened and RIGHTFULLY
> blah blah blah more delusional crap...


You're absolutely, completely, utterly full of shit.

Even by FFXU standards you've pegged the meter. lol

nmFvX Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And there they are -
>
> "You would get arrested" = False
>
> "No you won't" = False, I have, took down a guy at
> a 7-11, removed his side-arm and another person
> helped me hold him there until the police arrived.
> The guy was PISSED and rambled about his rights,
> but the officer explained that the other person
> (me) and others felt threatened and RIGHTFULLY
> detained you until it could be proven you had no
> bad intentions. I walked away happy and the
> gun-nut, with tail between legs, walked away
> feeling like the pussy he was and is...the officer
> did warn me that I can not cause any bodily harm
> outside of a reasonable takedown or charges could
> be pressed. He basically said you can detain but
> not beat the shit out of them.
>
> No charges pressed because no laws were broken.
>
> I do not feel like typing the appreciative
> comments made by people going in and out of the
> 7-11, while I, and another person, held this moron
> face down on the ground. They reflected the common
> sense of the majority of people and how these
> idiots need to be out of our lives.
>
> You open carry into a business I am in, will get
> you delayed for a long time, humiliated in public,
> face down on the ground and reinforce the fact
> that you are a coward. And NOTHING will happen to
> me at all - I have a right to defend myself and
> the public from what PRESENTS ITSELF AS A DANGER
> TO OUR LIVES.
>
> Walking into a public place of business with a
> long barrel or even a sidearm = DANGER, proven by
> the police that told that gun-nut to take a walk
> when no laws were broken.

nmFvX obviously confused the drain auger for a Q-Tip. After thoroughly cleaning his ears with that very loud 'Q-Tip', and although a little confused about the pain in his head and all the messy bits on the bathroom floor, nmFvX shrugged it off, and went to work. As a neighborhood organizer. For Glorious Leader.

nmFvX is more full of shit than a Christmas goose. And nmFvX has turned the art of stoopid-is-as-stoopid-does into a science.

Assuming that he survived an encounter in which he assaulted and battered an individual engaging in lawful behaviour (who would be well within his rights to use deadly force if he feared for his life because of the described assault-by-mob), nmFvX and his confederate would get a chance to wear those pretty matched bracelets connected by a chain and ride in a car with a flashing light on top. That is, if the guy nmFvx dreams he assaulted chose to press charges. Or the responding officers personally witnessed behaviour that qualified as either assault or battery.

In such an event, the responding officers would arrest nmFvX and any cohorts, and charge, at minimum, Assault and Battery, a violation of Virginia Criminal Code §18.2-57. In all likelihood, Assault by Mob, a violation of Virginia Criminal Code §18.2-42, would also be charged.

Here's a crib sheet for you libtardz contemplating some community organizing against citizens exercising their rights.

Assault (which is often referred to as Simple Assault) is either an attempted Battery or placing someone in reasonable fear of a Battery.

Battery (called Assault and Battery) is the completed act – the unlawful touching of another done in a rude, angry or vengeful way, even if it caused no actual injury.

So before believing nmFvX, who has certainly been called shit-for-brains at least three times in his life, use some common sense.

nmFvX. Whose parents wish had just been a stain on the sheets, instead of the disappointment he's become.

Stop the Stupid Wrote:
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> Kilton Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Open-Carry Opponent Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > In light of this, I am curious about whether
> > any
> > > open-carry advocates who have supported
> > allowing
> > > people to open carry AR-15s, AK-47s,
> handguns,
> > and
> > > other firearms on the streets of Fairfax
> County
> > > and into buildings in the County are
> > reconsidering
> > > the wisdom of such actions?
> >
> > The only thing gun nuts ever "reconsider" is
> > whether they should have eaten that 23,671
> calorie
> > dinner when they can't fall asleep 5 hours
> later
> > because their stomach hurts.
> >
> > But they forget all about it by the next
> morning,
> > because, as someone else stated, there just
> isn't
> > much processing capacity upstairs. :-)
>
> Please stop the stupid. It hurts!

That just shows how stupid you are.

Open-Carry Opponent Wrote:
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> So, as I understand it, the couple who killed the
> sworn police officers in Las Vegas over the
> weekend sneaked up on the officers and killed them
> while the police officers were (appropiately, of
> course, for officers) "open carrying."

So they weren't targeting police officers, but were instead targeting people who open carry? I can't find any media reports on this. You are saying if the cops were sitting at a table unarmed, and next to them a couple was open carrying, they would have shot the couple and not the police?


> "No you won't" = False, I have, took down a guy at a 7-11

HAHAHA this is BS. If the guy's sidearm remained holstered and he was minding his own business, you'd be hauled off for assault and unlawful detainment. And if you grabbed his sidearm and removed it you'd also be up on brandishing and possession of a firearm during your unlawful detaining.

what is sad is the guys who hold up stores don't open carry, so the focus on the guns on good guys they can see takes away from the bad guys with guns they can't see, kinda dumb but oh well

good guys sometimes hide their weapons and sometimes not, but bad guys always do

the people who want to take away guns from good guys are responsible for huge crowds of soft targets that result, making crimes like the spoiled hollywood boy did so much easier

nmFvX Wrote:
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> And there they are -
>
> "You would get arrested" = False
>
> "No you won't" = False, I have, took down a guy at
> a 7-11, removed his side-arm and another person
> helped me hold him there until the police arrived.
> The guy was PISSED and rambled about his rights,
> but the officer explained that the other person
> (me) and others felt threatened and RIGHTFULLY
> detained you until it could be proven you had no
> bad intentions. I walked away happy and the
> gun-nut, with tail between legs, walked away
> feeling like the pussy he was and is...the officer
> did warn me that I can not cause any bodily harm
> outside of a reasonable takedown or charges could
> be pressed. He basically said you can detain but
> not beat the shit out of them.
>
> No charges pressed because no laws were broken.
>
> I do not feel like typing the appreciative
> comments made by people going in and out of the
> 7-11, while I, and another person, held this moron
> face down on the ground. They reflected the common
> sense of the majority of people and how these
> idiots need to be out of our lives.
>
> You open carry into a business I am in, will get
> you delayed for a long time, humiliated in public,
> face down on the ground and reinforce the fact
> that you are a coward. And NOTHING will happen to
> me at all - I have a right to defend myself and
> the public from what PRESENTS ITSELF AS A DANGER
> TO OUR LIVES.
>
> Walking into a public place of business with a
> long barrel or even a sidearm = DANGER, proven by
> the police that told that gun-nut to take a walk
> when no laws were broken.

Bullshit. What you're describing is called assault. Totally fictitious.

Why we need gun control:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUmKT43j4Tc

Open-Carry Opponent Wrote:
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> So, as I understand it, the couple who killed the
> sworn police officers in Las Vegas over the
> weekend sneaked up on the officers and killed them
> while the police officers were (appropiately, of
> course, for officers) "open carrying."
>
> This tends to validate the arguments I have seen
> from both gun advocates and opponents of guns on
> this site who assert it is stupid for civilians to
> open carry for self defense purposes because such
> people make themselves the very first targets for
> a gunman who wishes to carry out a rampage
> shooting.
>
> In light of this, I am curious about whether any
> open-carry advocates who have supported allowing
> people to open carry AR-15s, AK-47s, handguns, and
> other firearms on the streets of Fairfax County
> and into buildings in the County are reconsidering
> the wisdom of such actions?


Rampage gunmen are cowards. They go for easy targets where they know there is a low likelihood of anyone being armed. The exception is when they're targeting police. Then open carry, concealed carry, no carry, guns verboten doesn't matter.

It was a guy with a CCW that confronted them in WalMart and began the end of the attack. He was killed. You won't read to much about that in the news. Has happened before in other attacks, and the media buries it.

"After executing two Las Vegas police officers at CiCi’s Pizza, Jerad Miller entered a nearby Wal-Mart, at Nellis Boulevard and Stewart Avenue, fired a round in the air and ordered everyone to leave, setting off a panic. It was at that point, instead of running, Wilcox approached Jerad Miller from behind.

Law enforcement sources said Wilcox, who had a concealed weapons permit and carried a handgun, was ready to “end it” when Amanda Miller, who was behind Wilcox, shot and killed him."

^^

But the "good guy with a gun" was killed, right?

His wife and children might prefer that he had fled the scene like everyone else rather than play Rambo. Had the "good guy with a gun" fled, his family likely wouldn't be picking out a suit, shirt, and tie right now for him to be buried in.

little reporting on this Wrote:
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> It was a guy with a CCW that confronted them in
> WalMart and began the end of the attack. He was
> killed. You won't read to much about that in the
> news. Has happened before in other attacks, and
> the media buries it.
>
> "After executing two Las Vegas police officers at
> CiCi’s Pizza, Jerad Miller entered a nearby
> Wal-Mart, at Nellis Boulevard and Stewart Avenue,
> fired a round in the air and ordered everyone to
> leave, setting off a panic. It was at that point,
> instead of running, Wilcox approached Jerad Miller
> from behind.
>
> Law enforcement sources said Wilcox, who had a
> concealed weapons permit and carried a handgun,
> was ready to “end it” when Amanda Miller, who
> was behind Wilcox, shot and killed him."


Why the fuck did he not kill that fucker? That is the exact situation a gun-nut lives for!

A person enters a place and fires a weapon, so he then "approached" him? Take out your gun and kill the danger. I hate gun-nuts, but shit, at least step up when there is a real situation.

Yes... But... Wrote:
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> ^^
>
> But the "good guy with a gun" was killed, right?
>
>
> His wife and children might prefer that he had
> fled the scene like everyone else rather than play
> Rambo. Had the "good guy with a gun" fled, his
> family likely wouldn't be picking out a suit,
> shirt, and tie right now for him to be buried in.

True indeed.

Another idiot with a gun trying to be Jack Bauer. Now his wife and kids pay the price.

All three of the victims were armed, all three died. The 3rd victim, Mr. Wilcox, was an armed civilian that thought he could confront the gunman. He misread the situation and took a bullet to the ribs from Mrs. Crazy.

Its all tragic but I do think its time to get guns off our streets. I have no problem with hunters, collectors, target, skeet, trap just not on the streets and public places not intended for firearms.

All three Wrote:
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> All three of the victims were armed, all three
> died. The 3rd victim, Mr. Wilcox, was an armed
> civilian that thought he could confront the
> gunman. He misread the situation and took a
> bullet to the ribs from Mrs. Crazy.
>
> Its all tragic but I do think its time to get guns
> off our streets. I have no problem with hunters,
> collectors, target, skeet, trap just not on the
> streets and public places not intended for
> firearms.

Tell the criminals. Those "gun free" zone really work don't they?

All three Wrote:
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> All three of the victims were armed, all three
> died. The 3rd victim, Mr. Wilcox, was an armed
> civilian that thought he could confront the
> gunman. He misread the situation and took a
> bullet to the ribs from Mrs. Crazy.
>
> Its all tragic but I do think its time to get guns
> off our streets. I have no problem with hunters,
> collectors, target, skeet, trap just not on the
> streets and public places not intended for
> firearms.


Agreed 100% and what the gun-nuts do not realize is that crime would not go UP, but only down with less access to guns for the public.

It is always amusing when they cite "gun free zones" as a problem - like there is an army of civilians that take down criminals on a regular basis.

The reason gun-nuts point to no relation between gun regulation and decreased crime, is because there has NEVER been a time when the public were asked to give up their weapons - so there is no measure yet.

I would support a law that made it illegal to carry ANY firearm outside of your home and property. The gun-nuts think crime would go up, when in reality it would go down. It would be too difficult and time consuming to explain why crime would go down, but I can assure anyone that would be the case.

Before the gun-nuts scream they would have no way to defend themselves from criminals - wrong, there are many non-lethal option to guns that are just as, if not more, effective when needed to defend yourself.

By having firearms only in home etc.......there is no "The government is going to take us over" argument any longer, also.

Yes, there would be common sense regulation for hunting and sport shooting.

"I would support a law that made it illegal to carry ANY firearm outside of your home and property."

YES!

This and perhaps a few more laws, say against murder, child abuse, pedophilia and terrorism should make the city streets sing kum-bay-ah with joy because criminals always obey laws.

Please go back to elementary school and start again.

Amen Amen I say unto you Wrote:
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> "I would support a law that made it illegal to
> carry ANY firearm outside of your home and
> property."
>
> YES!
>
> This and perhaps a few more laws, say against
> murder, child abuse, pedophilia and terrorism
> should make the city streets sing kum-bay-ah with
> joy because criminals always obey laws.
>
> Please go back to elementary school and start
> again.


Having the PUBLIC with guns would not decrease the amount of "murder, child abuse, pedophilia and terrorism". Fact is that murder and terrorism would decrease with less of the public armed and roaming the streets.

Where you fail, and are very misinformed, is when you think that people carrying firearms in public makes crimes happen less.

Explaining how crimes like murder would decrease is just useless on someone as ignorant as yourself.

You are one of those "Cars kill more people, so lets ban cars" people, just too dumb to educate.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From an acolyte of Glorious Leader, whose Imperial Proclamations may not be viewed as infringements. An Imperial Proclamation, like a Royal Edict, is a reset. Not an infringement.

Kilton Wrote:
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> Yes... But... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> True indeed.
>
> Another idiot with a gun trying to be Jack Bauer.
> Now his wife and kids pay the price.

The poor bastard is dead for attempting to stop someone indiscriminately killing as many people as possible. We'll never know if he saved 10 or zero, but all of these incidents seem to end whenever someone stands up to the crazy with a gun - whether by tackling them, shooting them, etc. They will keep killing until confronted. That is why the police completely changed tactics after Columbine to immediately confront shooters with a bare minimum of the first officers to show up.

Hopefully you are never in a situation where you have to rely on 'another idiot' to save your life while you listen to the sirens approaching and gunfire from the crazy continues.

Open carry people who bring their guns into public restaurants, coffee houses, etc.. are self delusional and insensitive. If I'm sitting there with my family, and I see you come in with a handgun, or even more sketchy a rifle, I'm thinking is this person coming to take everyone out in a mass shooting? Why do you think I should just trust you?

This is a classic example of where you can have your rights, as long as they don't infringe on mine. You can still have your gun just keep it home.

In the end, the open carry people are screwing themselves as more places ban guns.

KmdbE Wrote:
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> The poor bastard is dead for attempting to stop
> someone indiscriminately killing as many people as
> possible.

He would still be alive today if he hadn't been carrying a gun that day, because then he would have known better.

hervek Wrote:
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> Open carry people who bring their guns into public
> restaurants, coffee houses, etc.. are self
> delusional and insensitive. If I'm sitting there
> with my family, and I see you come in with a
> handgun, or even more sketchy a rifle, I'm
> thinking is this person coming to take everyone
> out in a mass shooting? Why do you think I should
> just trust you?
>
> This is a classic example of where you can have
> your rights, as long as they don't infringe on
> mine. You can still have your gun just keep it
> home.
>
> In the end, the open carry people are screwing
> themselves as more places ban guns.

You know people are carrying guns even in places "where guns are banned" right? I carry mine everywhere I go at all times, even in stores that say no guns allowed. Only places I do not carry are schools, which I do not go to anyways, and court houses, which again I do not find myself going to much either.

Concealed means concealed.

hervek Wrote:
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> This is a classic example of where you can have
> your rights, as long as they don't infringe on
> mine. You can still have your gun just keep it
> home.


So what "right" is somebody infringing on by open carrying? Where does it say you have the right "not to be scared"?

^ Typical selfish gun nut.

Obnoxious Wrote:
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> ^ Typical selfish gun nut.


^ typical scared liberal retard.

You scared Wrote:
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> So what "right" is somebody infringing on by open
> carrying? Where does it say you have the right
> "not to be scared"?

Can't help but agree with this. Open carriers are allowed to exercise their right to look like idiots. I for one fully support it.

Think about what life would be like for you if you had such low testosterone levels like they do. It certainly can't be a picnic. A little pity can go a long way!

You scared? Wrote:
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> hervek Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Open carry people who bring their guns into
> public
> > restaurants, coffee houses, etc.. are self
> > delusional and insensitive. If I'm sitting
> there
> > with my family, and I see you come in with a
> > handgun, or even more sketchy a rifle, I'm
> > thinking is this person coming to take everyone
> > out in a mass shooting? Why do you think I
> should
> > just trust you?
> >
> > This is a classic example of where you can have
> > your rights, as long as they don't infringe on
> > mine. You can still have your gun just keep it
> > home.
> >
> > In the end, the open carry people are screwing
> > themselves as more places ban guns.
>
> You know people are carrying guns even in places
> "where guns are banned" right? I carry mine
> everywhere I go at all times, even in stores that
> say no guns allowed. Only places I do not carry
> are schools, which I do not go to anyways, and
> court houses, which again I do not find myself
> going to much either.
>
> Concealed means concealed

and the most you'll get if somehow you are found out is a trespassing ticket.

Having a CCW permit, I cannot understand why someone would want to open carry. There is a reason all of the cc laws have been passed in so many states - to allow responsible gunowners to carry without anyone having to know. Open carry is so in your face and seems to be done specifically to make others uncomfortable or even alarmed. Plus if enough yahoo's do it, it will actually end up restricting the right. The guys I've seen doing are almost always young guys that look like they have something to prove. Not necessarily the best guys to be armed and looking for potential confrontation.

VA is an open carry state with almost no restriction. Weirdly, Texas allows no open carry of handguns at all.

You scared Wrote:
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> hervek Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This is a classic example of where you can have
> > your rights, as long as they don't infringe on
> > mine. You can still have your gun just keep it
> > home.
>
>
> So what "right" is somebody infringing on by open
> carrying? Where does it say you have the right
> "not to be scared"?

Right to safety and security. Why do we have a national defense and local police? To protect the country and people.

If everyone's running around open-carrying, people won't have a reasonable level of safety and security in public.

If your of stable mind and open carrying, then in theory no problem. But since the people without guns don't know who they can trust. With the rash of public shootings this is a reasonable concern.

Bill Maher said it in a more humourous way.....just because I like to smoke pot doesn't mean I go to Olive Garden with my bong and blow bong hits everywhere.

kevreh Wrote:
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> You scared Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > hervek Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > This is a classic example of where you can
> have
> > > your rights, as long as they don't infringe
> on
> > > mine. You can still have your gun just keep
> it
> > > home.
> >
> >
> > So what "right" is somebody infringing on by
> open
> > carrying? Where does it say you have the right
> > "not to be scared"?
>
> Right to safety and security. Why do we have a
> national defense and local police? To protect the
> country and people.
>
> If everyone's running around open-carrying, people
> won't have a reasonable level of safety and
> security in public.
>
> If your of stable mind and open carrying, then in
> theory no problem. But since the people without
> guns don't know who they can trust. With the rash
> of public shootings this is a reasonable concern.
>
> Bill Maher said it in a more humourous
> way.....just because I like to smoke pot doesn't
> mean I go to Olive Garden with my bong and blow
> bong hits everywhere.


Do you have any idea how stooooopid you are?
Police protect people? Where? When? So police should be armed but not citizens? You're a fucking anti American scum bag.

Bill Maher? You use the words of a drug addict stand up comedian as your defense?

You're a fucking idiot. You'll probably start quoting All Franken, Steve Colbert and John Stewart next.

Fucking stooooopid ass, brainwashed, fascist pig libs.

kevreh Wrote:
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>
> Right to safety and security.

I do not recall reading anything that says you have a "right to safety and security".

Also, because you are scared somebody has a gun does not mean your safety and security is less. It means you are scared. Plain and simple. That is your state of mind.

You scared Wrote:
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> Also, because you are scared somebody has a gun
> does not mean your safety and security is less. It
> means you are scared. Plain and simple. That is
> your state of mind.

Sure is ironic that being scared is exactly what leads these monkeys to open carry in the first place. :-)

Kilton Wrote:
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> You scared Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Also, because you are scared somebody has a gun
> > does not mean your safety and security is less.
> It
> > means you are scared. Plain and simple. That is
> > your state of mind.
>
> Sure is ironic that being scared is exactly what
> leads these monkeys to open carry in the first
> place. :-)


If your use of monkeys = niggers, then you are correct. They're always shooting each other and scared they'll get popped if they don't arm themselves.

I've never seen someone in Fairfax (or PWC or Loudoun for that matter) with a long gun. The only time I've remember seeing sidearms is off duty LEO's. Every time I see a dude with a holster (waist, shoulder and ankle), they've ended up being LEO. I was at the doctor's office and some guy was there with a straggly beard, redneck hat and shorts and t-shirt. Glock strapped to his waist. Figured he was an open carry nut. Receptionist asked for ID when he checked in and he pulled out a LEO badge and ID.

It's not the gun nuts you pussies need to worry about. It's the nuts that get access to guns.

wdHv6 Wrote:

> Receptionist asked for ID when he checked in and he pulled out a LEO badge and ID.

Are LEO's supposed to open carry when off duty or not in uniform? There's are group of Fed's of some type that eat at a place that I go frequently for lunch. They always wear suit coats or jackets of some sort, keep them on the entire time. You can see the hardware sometimes, but they are doing their best to be discrete.

kevreh Wrote:
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> You scared Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > hervek Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > This is a classic example of where you can
> have
> > > your rights, as long as they don't infringe
> on
> > > mine. You can still have your gun just keep
> it
> > > home.
> >
> >
> > So what "right" is somebody infringing on by
> open
> > carrying? Where does it say you have the right
> > "not to be scared"?
>
> Right to safety and security. Why do we have a
> national defense and local police? To protect the
> country and people.
>
> If everyone's running around open-carrying, people
> won't have a reasonable level of safety and
> security in public.
>
> If your of stable mind and open carrying, then in
> theory no problem. But since the people without
> guns don't know who they can trust. With the rash
> of public shootings this is a reasonable concern.
>
> Bill Maher said it in a more humourous
> way.....just because I like to smoke pot doesn't
> mean I go to Olive Garden with my bong and blow
> bong hits everywhere.

WTF!!!! It took me a day to stop laughing. So you are an idiot. Most people I know are concealed carry and not one of them in the years I have known them have had an incident or issue. I have seen some open pistol carrying at a car meet. Nobody even batted an eye. I can understand rifles are a bit odd but so what. Have been to Israel where you see soldiers carrying rifles all the time after a few hours it becomes the norm. By the way no bank robberies and very few gun crimes there...everyone knows how to handle a firearm properly so noone messes with anyone else. Americans have a lot to learn in that area!

Then move to fucking Israel you defector - things are different in Israel. They beat the shit out of women in the Middle East, doesn't mean we should start doing the same.

I'm actually pro-gun but open carriers are attention seekers, plain and simple. Most people don't need a pocket knife on a daily basis, much less a gun. Dig into technicalities all you want, anyone with a gun on their hip is doing it for the image. Conceal your weapon if you want to carry one. Why put it out there and potentially tempt someone?

If you're walking in a public with your 3 kids under 7, do you feel better or worse seeing a holstered gun within 10 feet, where anyone could potentially take it and use it? Not likely, but it has no chance of happening if the gun weren't out in the open.

This situation is not hard to imagine despite what you're opinion is. If you feel safer with it out in the open, you're not telling the truth.

>
> WTF!!!! It took me a day to stop laughing. So you
> are an idiot. Most people I know are concealed
> carry and not one of them in the years I have
> known them have had an incident or issue. I have
> seen some open pistol carrying at a car meet.
> Nobody even batted an eye. I can understand rifles
> are a bit odd but so what. Have been to Israel
> where you see soldiers carrying rifles all the
> time after a few hours it becomes the norm. By the
> way no bank robberies and very few gun crimes
> there...everyone knows how to handle a firearm
> properly so noone messes with anyone else.
> Americans have a lot to learn in that area!

Glad you found that funny. Telling me I'm an idiot? How about you read the thread title. We're not talking about the concealed carry people. Its the open pistol people, and especially the people that carry rifles that are making people react (and companies banning open carry).

So, now we should look to countries like Isreal, Greece, and Mexico where you see the police walking around with rifles and uzis (I've seen it first hand). I don't wish to see that here. But more importantly, what does police/military in other countries have to do with NON police/military people in the US doing that? Jump in logic there.

You're lack of logic just supports the point that people doing this are self centered a-holes who think American is only about them and no one else.

kevreh Wrote:
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> So, now we should look to countries like Isreal,
> Greece, and Mexico where you see the police
> walking around with rifles and uzis (I've seen it
> first hand). I don't wish to see that here.

Get out of your mom's basement a bit more. It has been going on here for years.

The woman was just standing there in the Walmart not near the other gunman proving protection for her husband/bf. The concealed weapon guy walked right past her and drew his gun and was shot in the back by her. No way anyone would know it within the Walmart, yet you liberal wack jobs use it as proof in your own mind that we need to ban guns. Unbelievable!

We need another law. Just one more.

In addition to (further) demonizing behavior supposedly protected by the second amendment, this will get people a little more accustomed to gradually outlawing all gun ownership. Excepting the military, the police, and companies that transfer valuable property - likes Brinks armored guards.

One more law that seems just common-sense.

Then we'll start working on the next law that seems just common sense. The regime's media will march in lock step with this effort, unconcerned about this aspect of constitutional protection. But woe on any one who expresses a personal belief or conviction about homosexuality, abortion, etc.

We need another law.

It'll set the stage. For the next law.

Here it is Wrote:
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> kevreh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You scared Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > hervek Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > This is a classic example of where you can
> > have
> > > > your rights, as long as they don't infringe
> > on
> > > > mine. You can still have your gun just keep
> > it
> > > > home.
> > >
> > >
> > > So what "right" is somebody infringing on by
> > open
> > > carrying? Where does it say you have the
> right
> > > "not to be scared"?
> >
> > Right to safety and security. Why do we have a
> > national defense and local police? To protect
> the
> > country and people.
> >
> > If everyone's running around open-carrying,
> people
> > won't have a reasonable level of safety and
> > security in public.
> >
> > If your of stable mind and open carrying, then
> in
> > theory no problem. But since the people without
> > guns don't know who they can trust. With the
> rash
> > of public shootings this is a reasonable
> concern.
> >
> > Bill Maher said it in a more humourous
> > way.....just because I like to smoke pot
> doesn't
> > mean I go to Olive Garden with my bong and blow
> > bong hits everywhere.
>
> WTF!!!! It took me a day to stop laughing. So you
> are an idiot. Most people I know are concealed
> carry and not one of them in the years I have
> known them have had an incident or issue. I have
> seen some open pistol carrying at a car meet.
> Nobody even batted an eye. I can understand rifles
> are a bit odd but so what. Have been to Israel
> where you see soldiers carrying rifles all the
> time after a few hours it becomes the norm. By the
> way no bank robberies and very few gun crimes
> there...everyone knows how to handle a firearm
> properly so noone messes with anyone else.
> Americans have a lot to learn in that area!

Open carry of rifles and shottguns is perfectly normal right here in Virginia, depending on where you live. If you go to Harrisonburg or any towns along the Blue Ridge you'll see hunters all over the place and nobody thinks anything dangerous is going on. It's these pussified yuppies that don't get out much who have a lot to learn. Urban/suburban Hicks they are.

Btdt Wrote:
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> Open carry of rifles and shottguns is perfectly
> normal right here in Virginia, depending on where
> you live. If you go to Harrisonburg or any towns
> along the Blue Ridge you'll see hunters all over
> the place and nobody thinks anything dangerous is
> going on. It's these pussified yuppies that don't
> get out much who have a lot to learn.
> Urban/suburban Hicks they are.


Back in the day, people used to have rifles in the gun racks of their pick ups right here in good old Fairfax at my High School. No pussies back then. Now, FFX is full of pussies. This thread has a large amount of them.

Pop Wrote:
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> Btdt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Open carry of rifles and shottguns is perfectly
> > normal right here in Virginia, depending on
> where
> > you live. If you go to Harrisonburg or any
> towns
> > along the Blue Ridge you'll see hunters all
> over
> > the place and nobody thinks anything dangerous
> is
> > going on. It's these pussified yuppies that
> don't
> > get out much who have a lot to learn.
> > Urban/suburban Hicks they are.
>
>
> Back in the day, people used to have rifles in the
> gun racks of their pick ups right here in good old
> Fairfax at my High School. No pussies back then.
> Now, FFX is full of pussies. This thread has a
> large amount of them.

A Va. Game Warden once told me about a woman who had retired from the Feds in DC and moved to a house just outside of Harrisonburg. She saw a man wearing camo and blaze orange carrying a rifle and walking on the property next to hers (rural) and totally freaked out. She called the cops and they asked her if he was doing anything "threatening". She said, "Well yes! He's carrying a gun!"
They told her the hunting season was open and he's probably just looking for deer. She didn't like that. The cops told her to call the Game Warden if she thought he was violating any hunting laws. She didn't have a clue and really went off. "You mean they actually hunt here? I didn't know that or I wouldn't have moved here in the first place!" Then she called the Game Warden and threw a fit but was told it's perfectly legal and if the hunter isn't violating any laws they're not going to investigate. Some people are just plain stupid.