Does anyone know good ballroom classes for kids? I've been looking but found only 'social' ballroom classes for adults.

Anna Wrote:
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> Does anyone know good ballroom classes for kids?
> I've been looking but found only 'social' ballroom
> classes for adults.


Oh the humanity! Are you sure your kids want this, or are you just living vicariously through them? Ask them what they want to do and go from there.



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Anna Wrote:
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> Does anyone know good ballroom classes for kids?
> I've been looking but found only 'social' ballroom
> classes for adults.


I take it they got sick of violin, horseback riding and etiquette classes.

Why don't you let your kid be a kid, for God's sake? Once they become an adult, they will have 60 years to do the boring shit that is expected of them. Don't ruin their childhoods too!

Yeah, both of my daughters got invited to "cotillion" classes at Country Club of Fairfax. You have GOT to be kidding. We're not even members, but they've got friends whose families are, and I guess the mommies of Fairfax Station want to make sure that their precious snowflakes can sip tea properly and be escorted on the dance floor. Both of my daughters laughed.

One year I lost my mind and got conned into sending one of my little preciouses to etiquette classes. The kids dressed up in ballroom attire and ate dinner at a local country club. Wouldn't ya know the little shits actually threw the food at each other? My kid got her first lesson in the fine art of ducking during a food fight. Jordan almonds hurt...I guess it was worth something?

Look, I asked if you know anything about the ballroom classes, not the advice how to raise my children. Yes, they enjoy dancing and I want them to explore different activities if they like it. I feel sorry for those parents who let their kids go wild and do whatever as long as they (parents) are not bothered. I have three kids and I work full time. However my kids are all excellent scholars, speak in two languages (the oldest speaks four) and they have a lot of activities they love and don't want to give up. It'll include horseback riding lessons for my daughter when she will be 6 and she can't wait to start. We take our kids oversees and all over US so they can explore the world. I'm sure my children can withstand the competition in this world and present themselves as well educated and fine people. At least they're not going to be stereotyped as "these obnoxious stupid Americans" as it happens with most Americans in Europe. And how about your kids?

TMU Wrote:
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> Yeah, both of my daughters got invited to
> "cotillion" classes at Country Club of Fairfax.
> You have GOT to be kidding. We're not even
> members, but they've got friends whose families
> are, and I guess the mommies of Fairfax Station
> want to make sure that their precious snowflakes
> can sip tea properly and be escorted on the dance
> floor. Both of my daughters laughed.


The Fairfax Station mommies will be proud when their precious ones use what they learned in cotillion to properly cup the ball sack of the guy whose pole they are smoking in the back of his Beemer when they are 16.

inkahootz Wrote:
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> Anna Wrote:
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> > Does anyone know good ballroom classes for
> kids?
> > I've been looking but found only 'social'
> ballroom
> > classes for adults.
>
>
> Oh the humanity! Are you sure your kids want this,
> or are you just living vicariously through them?
> Ask them what they want to do and go from there.


Obviously coming from a guy that has no kids.
Listen, son, kids don’t know what they want. They hate judo until the class ends. If given any choice, most of the time they will choose to watch TV or play computer games instead of leaving the house. A child’s Christmas list changes with each commercial on The Cartoon Network. When you change the channel from CN to PBS Kids, they whine for a minute and then pay the strictest attention to Word Girl or Ruff Ruffman.

My kids complain al the time about going places, like museums, plays, nature centers, and such, but usually have a good time once they are there. Every Saturday, if I ask them what they want to do, the answer would always involve television or the computer. So, I just don’t ask, I tell.

I give advice to new parents all the time; you are their parent, NOT their best friend. Your job is to be their father or mother, and do what a mother or father should do, not what their best friend would do. If you are their best friend, you are not doing a good job at being a parent.

Anna Wrote:
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> Look, I asked if you know anything about the
> ballroom classes, not the advice how to raise my
> children.

Sounds like you need it.

> Yes, they enjoy dancing and I want them
> to explore different activities if they like it.

Sure they do. How much do you expect to pay for their "outfits." Are you going to tell your friends the names of the designers? Are they going to be jealous?

> I
> feel sorry for those parents who let their kids go
> wild and do whatever as long as they (parents) are
> not bothered.

It's called "play." That's what kids should do. It's an evolutionary means of learning. At least my kids will be self-directed and won't need me to tell them what to do every minute of the day when they are adults.

> I have three kids and I work full
> time.

So do I.

> However my kids are all excellent scholars,

So are mine.

> speak in two languages (the oldest speaks four)
> and they have a lot of activities they love and
> don't want to give up.

Well, except for the languages, so do mine. (My mother-in-law majored in a foreign language in college and spent her career working in a call center so, whatever).

> It'll include horseback
> riding lessons for my daughter when she will be 6
> and she can't wait to start.

Did you buy the little riding outfit yet? How much did it set you back? Are you going to brag to your friends about that as well? You know, the way you brag about your kid speaking four languages? But that has nothing to do with you, does it?

> We take our kids
> oversees and all over US so they can explore the
> world.

We do too.

> I'm sure my children can withstand the
> competition in this world and present themselves
> as well educated and fine people.

Mine too.

> At least they're
> not going to be stereotyped as "these obnoxious
> stupid Americans" as it happens with most
> Americans in Europe.

Like I give a fuck what Europeans think of me or my kids?

I have some news for you. The worst thing you can teach your kids is for them to place a greater value in what other people think of them than of what they think of themselves? You know why? Because no matter how many languages they speak, how many ballroom dance lessons they take or how many trophies they win, they have absolutely NO control over what other people think of them. But they do have control of what they think of themselves.

Life isn't doing "a bunch of stuff" so your mom can brag. I seriously doubt if your kids have any idea of who they are as people. They are a performing poodle for their over-bearing, stick-up-the ass mom.

> And how about your kids?

My kids are great. They ace all tests and test in the genius range. They play musical instruments and have tons of friends. Best part? They've done it all on their own. I don't even take credit for it. They are wonderful kids...KIDS.

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I guess the mommies of Fairfax Station
> want to make sure that their precious snowflakes
> can sip tea properly and be escorted on the dance
> floor. Both of my daughters laughed.

Why, because both your daughters wish to marry bus mechanics?



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Anna Wrote:
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> Look, I asked if you know anything about the
> ballroom classes, not the advice how to raise my
> children. Yes, they enjoy dancing and I want them
> to explore different activities if they like it. I
> feel sorry for those parents who let their kids go
> wild and do whatever as long as they (parents) are
> not bothered. I have three kids and I work full
> time. However my kids are all excellent scholars,
> speak in two languages (the oldest speaks four)
> and they have a lot of activities they love and
> don't want to give up. It'll include horseback
> riding lessons for my daughter when she will be 6
> and she can't wait to start. We take our kids
> oversees and all over US so they can explore the
> world. I'm sure my children can withstand the
> competition in this world and present themselves
> as well educated and fine people. At least they're
> not going to be stereotyped as "these obnoxious
> stupid Americans" as it happens with most
> Americans in Europe. And how about your kids?

Well, then let's hope the apple falls far from the tree.

I will agree with FUNdamental, though. I was forced to take classic piano for 8 years, and hated it. Once I was allowed to quit to take up guitar, though, I was very glad that I had a strong music theory background.

However, I'll also contend that I would have probably learned a lot more if I hadn't been forced to do it in the same way I was forced to do chores. At that age, I didn't know why I was learning piano, just that I had to do it.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> TMU Wrote:
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> I guess the mommies of Fairfax Station
> > want to make sure that their precious
> snowflakes
> > can sip tea properly and be escorted on the
> dance
> > floor. Both of my daughters laughed.
>
> Why, because both your daughters wish to marry bus
> mechanics?

I would rather hang out with a bus mechanic than assholes sipping tea.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
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> > TMU Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > I guess the mommies of Fairfax Station
> > > want to make sure that their precious
> > snowflakes
> > > can sip tea properly and be escorted on the
> > dance
> > > floor. Both of my daughters laughed.
> >
> > Why, because both your daughters wish to marry
> bus
> > mechanics?
>
> I would rather hang out with a bus mechanic than
> assholes sipping tea.'

You would rather hang at at the repair station of a bus terminal with a$$hole mechanics than hang out with the Country Club of Virginia bridge club or poker night club?

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > -----
> > > TMU Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > I guess the mommies of Fairfax Station
> > > > want to make sure that their precious
> > > snowflakes
> > > > can sip tea properly and be escorted on the
> > > dance
> > > > floor. Both of my daughters laughed.
> > >
> > > Why, because both your daughters wish to
> marry
> > bus
> > > mechanics?
> >
> > I would rather hang out with a bus mechanic
> than
> > assholes sipping tea.'
>
> You would rather hang at at the repair station of
> a bus terminal with a$$hole mechanics than hang
> out with the Country Club of Virginia bridge club
> or poker night club?


I would rather hang out at a bar with bus mechanics than Country Club of Virginia assholes. Period.

But that's just me. I could live in a gated community, but I hate rich people, so I don't. I would rather associate with normal people.

Well, actually my kids speaking foreign languages absolutely has everything to do with me since I'm billingual. I want my kids to be well educated people as my husband and I so they'll have a lot of options in a future and see world as a bigger place not just Fairfax County. Obviously, you and your 'genius range' kids are not prepared for that. My kids are very far from being 'performing poodles'. They just enjoy life and their studies, and they work hard and really don't care about what other people have to say about them. I'm proud of them, of course, and see their achivements as a result of our mutual efforts. At least, they're not going to work in a call center which seems as a traditional career path in your family.

Just FYI, I was responding to WashingTone Locian. Little did I know that my ballroom dancing post would open a can of worms...

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> > > FUNdamental Wrote:
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> > > -----
> > > > TMU Wrote:
> > > >
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> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > I guess the mommies of Fairfax Station
> > > > > want to make sure that their precious
> > > > snowflakes
> > > > > can sip tea properly and be escorted on
> the
> > > > dance
> > > > > floor. Both of my daughters laughed.
> > > >
> > > > Why, because both your daughters wish to
> > marry
> > > bus
> > > > mechanics?
> > >
> > > I would rather hang out with a bus mechanic
> > than
> > > assholes sipping tea.'
> >
> > You would rather hang at at the repair station
> of
> > a bus terminal with a$$hole mechanics than hang
> > out with the Country Club of Virginia bridge
> club
> > or poker night club?
>
>
> I would rather hang out at a bar with bus
> mechanics than Country Club of Virginia assholes.
> Period.
>
> But that's just me. I could live in a gated
> community, but I hate rich people, so I don't. I
> would rather associate with normal people.

Do you prefer the smell of clothes drenched in diesel exhaust over clothes freshly laundered?

Anna Wrote:
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> Well, actually my kids speaking foreign languages
> absolutely has everything to do with me since I'm
> billingual.

It's spelled "bilingual."

> I want my kids to be well educated
> people as my husband and I so they'll have a lot
> of options in a future and see world as a bigger
> place not just Fairfax County.

It should be written, "I want my kids to be as well-educated as my husband and me so that they will have many options in the future and see the world as a bigger place, not just Fairfax County."

Are you sure English is one of those languages you know?

> Obviously, you and
> your 'genius range' kids are not prepared for
> that.

You would know this, how?

> My kids are very far from being 'performing
> poodles'. They just enjoy life and their studies,
> and they work hard and really don't care about
> what other people have to say about them.

If that is true, I dare you to tell them tonight that they can drop one of the things you have put them in. First, you won't do it. Second, if they are being honest, they will name one. That would make them "performing poodles."

But you won't do it because you are afraid of the answer. God forbid you should give up control. Can't let "them" win, can you?

> I'm
> proud of them, of course, and see their
> achivements as a result of our mutual efforts.

It's not. It is THEIR effort. You haven't done shit. You drove them somewhere. Quit living through your kids.

> At
> least, they're not going to work in a call center
> which seems as a traditional career path in your
> family.

That was my mother-in-law. Here is some information about my immediate family...

Three CPAs
Four MBAs
One Doctorate
Hospital Administrator
Senior Executive
CFO
Partner

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> >
> > I would rather hang out at a bar with bus
> > mechanics than Country Club of Virginia
> assholes.
> > Period.
> >
> > But that's just me. I could live in a gated
> > community, but I hate rich people, so I don't.
> I
> > would rather associate with normal people.
>
> Do you prefer the smell of clothes drenched in
> diesel exhaust over clothes freshly laundered?

I have no problem with that.

k



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Anna Wrote:
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> Well, actually my kids speaking foreign languages
> absolutely has everything to do with me since I'm
> billingual. I want my kids to be well educated
> people as my husband and I so they'll have a lot
> of options in a future and see world as a bigger
> place not just Fairfax County. Obviously, you and
> your 'genius range' kids are not prepared for
> that. My kids are very far from being 'performing
> poodles'. They just enjoy life and their studies,
> and they work hard and really don't care about
> what other people have to say about them. I'm
> proud of them, of course, and see their
> achivements as a result of our mutual efforts. At
> least, they're not going to work in a call center
> which seems as a traditional career path in your
> family.

What an obnoxious, stupid fucking American.

Is their first language spanish, and their second language English?

FUNdamental Wrote:
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>
> Obviously coming from a guy that has no kids.
> Listen, son, kids don’t know what they want.

Yes they do. You have to find something they are good at and encourage them to pursue it. One of my sons is good at chess. I encouraged him to try it. He joined a club for a year and didn't like it. I didn't beat him up about it. After two years, he went back into the club on his own and is now one of its better players and he loves it. I never gave him crap about it. I only encouraged him.

> They
> hate judo until the class ends.

No. They hate judo.

> If given any
> choice, most of the time they will choose to watch
> TV or play computer games instead of leaving the
> house.

Actually, I gave my kids ample time to play computer games and watch TV. They are bored with it and leave the house on their own. I never have to yell at them not to watch TV or play games. It's not forbidden fruit, so they can take it or leave it.

> A child’s Christmas list changes with
> each commercial on The Cartoon Network. When you
> change the channel from CN to PBS Kids, they whine
> for a minute and then pay the strictest attention
> to Word Girl or Ruff Ruffman.
>

My kids have never whined about watching PBS Kids instead of Cartoon Network. They can watch whatever they want, as long as it isn't gross, violent or sexual.

> My kids complain al the time about going places,
> like museums, plays, nature centers, and such, but
> usually have a good time once they are there.

My kids love going to museums, nature centers and such. It's because I don't treat them like they are poodles. I treat them like intelligent human beings and not idiots to bark orders at. Ever thought that their reactions aren't to the places but to your behavior?

> Every Saturday, if I ask them what they want to
> do, the answer would always involve television or
> the computer. So, I just don’t ask, I tell.
>

I ask them what they want to do. If they say "TV" or "computer" I say, "Besides that." You know what? They always have an idea.

> I give advice to new parents all the time; you are
> their parent, NOT their best friend. Your job is
> to be their father or mother, and do what a mother
> or father should do, not what their best friend
> would do. If you are their best friend, you are
> not doing a good job at being a parent.

I always love that advice. See, I'm my kids' parent. I'm not their "best friend," but I like my kids. And they like me. Why? Because I show them respect. I am fair. I treat them like they are intelligent. You know what, I expect the same back, and if I don't get it, I correct the situation.

Some people mistake being a bellowing asshole to their kids as being "a parent." No. You are a bellowing asshole. You may be a parent in the technical sense, but you are not a "good" parent.

IMHO, WTL wins the gold in the parenting competition. WTL, although I may have not seen eye to eye in your opinions and posts, I give kudos to you for taking the right approach (IMO) to parenting. Your kids will love you and thank you for it in the long run. I'm not dissing Anna, FUNdip, or any other parents. You guys obviously love your kids and want what's best for them. Just try all the angles and approaches before you stick to one M.O. of parenting.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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>
> I always love that advice. See, I'm my kids'
> parent. I'm not their "best friend," but I like my
> kids. And they like me. Why? Because I show them
> respect. I am fair. I treat them like they are
> intelligent. You know what, I expect the same
> back, and if I don't get it, I correct the
> situation.
>
> Some people mistake being a bellowing asshole to
> their kids as being "a parent." No. You are a
> bellowing asshole. You may be a parent in the
> technical sense, but you are not a "good" parent.


According to every parenting book out there, sometimes you need to be irrational with kids to get the point across. If you are not irrational, their brains may not be motivated to figure out what you are trying to tell them. Also until about eight years for girls, and almost 10 years for boys, a child's brain is still not set up for empathy or logic, so, when communicating with your kids, you need to keep these things in mind.


Not my humble opinion though, the humble opinion of the best Doctors and child psychologists out there.



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FUNdamental Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> >
> > I always love that advice. See, I'm my kids'
> > parent. I'm not their "best friend," but I like
> my
> > kids. And they like me. Why? Because I show
> them
> > respect. I am fair. I treat them like they are
> > intelligent. You know what, I expect the same
> > back, and if I don't get it, I correct the
> > situation.
> >
> > Some people mistake being a bellowing asshole
> to
> > their kids as being "a parent." No. You are a
> > bellowing asshole. You may be a parent in the
> > technical sense, but you are not a "good"
> parent.
>
>
> According to every parenting book out there,
> sometimes you need to be irrational with kids to
> get the point across. If you are not irrational,
> their brains may not be motivated to figure out
> what you are trying to tell them. Also until
> about eight years for girls, and almost 10 years
> for boys, a child's brain is still not set up for
> empathy or logic, so, when communicating with your
> kids, you need to keep these things in mind.
>
>
> Not my humble opinion though, the humble opinion
> of the best Doctors and child psychologists out
> there.


Orly? Who?

FUNdamental Wrote:
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>
>
> According to every parenting book out there,
> sometimes you need to be irrational with kids to
> get the point across.

Some of us don't need parenting books to be a good parent. We learned from our own parents.

> If you are not irrational,
> their brains may not be motivated to figure out
> what you are trying to tell them.

By being rational, you are demonstrating to your kids that rationality is a valuable thing. By being irrational, you are role modeling irrationality to your kids. My biggest problem with most parents is they never get out of the irrationality mode then wonder why their teens think they are hypocrites.

> Also until
> about eight years for girls, and almost 10 years
> for boys, a child's brain is still not set up for
> empathy or logic, so, when communicating with your
> kids, you need to keep these things in mind.
>

That's actually bullshit. My kids demonstrated empathy and logic from an early age. Maybe you should try giving your kids the benefit of the doubt. You might be surprised by what they are capable of without your dictating to them.

>
> Not my humble opinion though, the humble opinion
> of the best Doctors and child psychologists out
> there.

You mean like Dr. Spock, who turned out to be totally wrong?

inkahootz Wrote:
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> IMHO, WTL wins the gold in the parenting
> competition. WTL, although I may have not seen eye
> to eye in your opinions and posts, I give kudos to
> you for taking the right approach (IMO) to
> parenting. Your kids will love you and thank you
> for it in the long run. I'm not dissing Anna,
> FUNdip, or any other parents. You guys obviously
> love your kids and want what's best for them. Just
> try all the angles and approaches before you stick
> to one M.O. of parenting.


Thanks.

Are you the guy who went to jail? Maybe I should re-think this.

inkahootz Wrote:
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> > > Anna Wrote:
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> > > > Does anyone know good ballroom classes for
> > > kids?
> > > > I've been looking but found only 'social'
> > > ballroom
> > > > classes for adults.
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh the humanity! Are you sure your kids want
> > this,
> > > or are you just living vicariously through
> > them?
> > > Ask them what they want to do and go from
> > there.
> >
> >
> > Obviously coming from a guy that has no kids.
> > Listen, son, kids don’t know what they want.
> They
> > hate judo until the class ends. If given any
> > choice, most of the time they will choose to
> watch
> > TV or play computer games instead of leaving
> the
> > house. A child’s Christmas list changes with
> > each commercial on The Cartoon Network. When
> you
> > change the channel from CN to PBS Kids, they
> whine
> > for a minute and then pay the strictest
> attention
> > to Word Girl or Ruff Ruffman.
> >
> > My kids complain al the time about going
> places,
> > like museums, plays, nature centers, and such,
> but
> > usually have a good time once they are there.
> > Every Saturday, if I ask them what they want to
> > do, the answer would always involve television
> or
> > the computer. So, I just don’t ask, I tell.
> >
> > I give advice to new parents all the time; you
> are
> > their parent, NOT their best friend. Your job
> is
> > to be their father or mother, and do what a
> mother
> > or father should do, not what their best friend
> > would do. If you are their best friend, you
> are
> > not doing a good job at being a parent.
>
>
> Listen up, old man (since you called me son!LOL).
> Ask any psychologist and they will tell you that
> both polar ends of the parenting spectrum
> (permissive and authoritarian) are counter
> productive and debillitating to a child's
> development. It is much better to take the
> authoritative approach to instruction (an adhoc
> friend/yoda if I may say so), in which you nurture
> a skill or interest the child might have that you
> are willing to encourage. Simply telling them,
> "Take these piano lessons because I know what's
> best for you" will not work long term. They may
> resent you, because they may want to play the
> electric guitar, and you have neglected to take
> the time to explain why the theory needs to come
> before the rock and roll. Look I'm not parent
> material (putting a child in my hands is like
> putting a loaded .45 in theirs), and I give you
> props for doing the parent thing; However, telling
> kids to do things w/o explanations or common
> agreement is counter productive and may lead to
> resentment towards you, on the part of the child,
> in the long run.


Agrred.

My kids' first language is English and so is my husband's. Mine is neither English nor Spanish. My oldest son's third language is Spanish. And I truly believe that people who speak just one language are morons.
I find it funny that I ruffled quite a few feathers here but still have to find out where the ballroom classes for kids are... :-))
I'm not sure why everyone here took the idea of kids taking ballroom dancing so negatively. So ballet lessons are ok because everyone else does it? You guys should start thinking more outside of the box. Stereotyping isn't going to take you too far... So, by saying that I wish you good luck in all your ventures and continue debating over parenting styles. I'm leaving this forum since it hasn't been a very fruitful experience for me and I still want to find the ballroom classes for my kids.

Try Google.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> inkahootz Wrote:
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> > IMHO, WTL wins the gold in the parenting
> > competition. WTL, although I may have not seen
> eye
> > to eye in your opinions and posts, I give kudos
> to
> > you for taking the right approach (IMO) to
> > parenting. Your kids will love you and thank
> you
> > for it in the long run. I'm not dissing Anna,
> > FUNdip, or any other parents. You guys
> obviously
> > love your kids and want what's best for them.
> Just
> > try all the angles and approaches before you
> stick
> > to one M.O. of parenting.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Are you the guy who went to jail? Maybe I should
> re-think this.


Yeah, for some reason I used to think driving after a beer or two was no big deal. Boy, was I wrong! LOL Who says behavior modification doesn't work?



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Anna Wrote:
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> My kids' first language is English and so is my
> husband's. Mine is neither English nor Spanish. My
> oldest son's third language is Spanish. And I
> truly believe that people who speak just one
> language are morons.

I'm sure your salary depends on people who only speak one language.

Also, speaking multiple languages is not an indication of intelligence. Our schools are filled with ESOL students who can speak two or three languages but who can't pass a basic math or science test.

> I find it funny that I ruffled quite a few
> feathers here but still have to find out where the
> ballroom classes for kids are... :-))

I find you funny.

> I'm not sure why everyone here took the idea of
> kids taking ballroom dancing so negatively. So
> ballet lessons are ok because everyone else does
> it?

Ballet lessons are okay if you have a kid that wants to try out ballet. I'm not going to force my kid into it, though.

> You guys should start thinking more outside of
> the box. Stereotyping isn't going to take you too
> far...

Actually, I'm the one thinking outside of the box. Most people in this area are into competitive parenting. I'm not. My neighbors think I am nuts for not brow-beating my kids into soccer when they have no desire to play it (and they have tried it).

> So, by saying that I wish you good luck in
> all your ventures and continue debating over
> parenting styles. I'm leaving this forum since it
> hasn't been a very fruitful experience for me and
> I still want to find the ballroom classes for my
> kids.

So if you know all these people and have had all these experiences, why the hell are you asking us? Don't you have friends? Or maybe not....

inkahootz Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > inkahootz Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > IMHO, WTL wins the gold in the parenting
> > > competition. WTL, although I may have not
> seen
> > eye
> > > to eye in your opinions and posts, I give
> kudos
> > to
> > > you for taking the right approach (IMO) to
> > > parenting. Your kids will love you and thank
> > you
> > > for it in the long run. I'm not dissing Anna,
> > > FUNdip, or any other parents. You guys
> > obviously
> > > love your kids and want what's best for them.
> > Just
> > > try all the angles and approaches before you
> > stick
> > > to one M.O. of parenting.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Are you the guy who went to jail? Maybe I
> should
> > re-think this.
>
>
> Yeah, for some reason I used to think driving
> after a beer or two was no big deal. Boy, was I
> wrong! LOL Who says behavior modification doesn't
> work?

Hmmm. George W. Bush did that a couple times, right?

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Obviously coming from a guy that has no kids.
> > Listen, son, kids don’t know what they want.
>
> Yes they do. You have to find something they are
> good at and encourage them to pursue it. One of my
> sons is good at chess. I encouraged him to try it.
> He joined a club for a year and didn't like it. I
> didn't beat him up about it. After two years, he
> went back into the club on his own and is now one
> of its better players and he loves it. I never
> gave him crap about it. I only encouraged him.
>
> > They
> > hate judo until the class ends.
>
> No. They hate judo.

Here you are showing that you think a child's brain is wired like yours. EVERY DOCTOR IN THIS COUNTRY WILL TELL YOU YOU ARE WRONG.

>
> > If given any
> > choice, most of the time they will choose to
> watch
> > TV or play computer games instead of leaving
> the
> > house.
>
> Actually, I gave my kids ample time to play
> computer games and watch TV. They are bored with
> it and leave the house on their own. I never have
> to yell at them not to watch TV or play games.
> It's not forbidden fruit, so they can take it or
> leave it.

So do I, however, the "points" system on scoobydoo.com encourages kids to stay on that site for hours every day. I can't allow that.
>
> > A child’s Christmas list changes with
> > each commercial on The Cartoon Network. When
> you
> > change the channel from CN to PBS Kids, they
> whine
> > for a minute and then pay the strictest
> attention
> > to Word Girl or Ruff Ruffman.
> >
>
> My kids have never whined about watching PBS Kids
> instead of Cartoon Network. They can watch
> whatever they want, as long as it isn't gross,
> violent or sexual.

You obviously haven't watched the cartoon network recently.
>
> > My kids complain al the time about going
> places,
> > like museums, plays, nature centers, and such,
> but
> > usually have a good time once they are there.
>
> My kids love going to museums, nature centers and
> such. It's because I don't treat them like they
> are poodles. I treat them like intelligent human
> beings and not idiots to bark orders at. Ever
> thought that their reactions aren't to the places
> but to your behavior?

AGAIN, EVERY MNEDICAL DOCTOR IN THIS COUNTRY WILL TELL YOU YOUR BASIC ASSUMPTION OR PREMISE IS WRONG HERE. THEY ARE NOT "INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEINGS," THEIR BRAINS ARE NOT THERE YET.
>
> > Every Saturday, if I ask them what they want to
> > do, the answer would always involve television
> or
> > the computer. So, I just don’t ask, I tell.
> >
>
> I ask them what they want to do. If they say "TV"
> or "computer" I say, "Besides that." You know
> what? They always have an idea.
>
Stuborn kids are usually well grounded. Did you know that?

> >



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2009 04:02PM by FUNdamental.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> inkahootz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > inkahootz Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > IMHO, WTL wins the gold in the parenting
> > > > competition. WTL, although I may have not
> > seen
> > > eye
> > > > to eye in your opinions and posts, I give
> > kudos
> > > to
> > > > you for taking the right approach (IMO) to
> > > > parenting. Your kids will love you and
> thank
> > > you
> > > > for it in the long run. I'm not dissing
> Anna,
> > > > FUNdip, or any other parents. You guys
> > > obviously
> > > > love your kids and want what's best for
> them.
> > > Just
> > > > try all the angles and approaches before
> you
> > > stick
> > > > to one M.O. of parenting.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Are you the guy who went to jail? Maybe I
> > should
> > > re-think this.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, for some reason I used to think driving
> > after a beer or two was no big deal. Boy, was I
> > wrong! LOL Who says behavior modification
> doesn't
> > work?
>
> Hmmm. George W. Bush did that a couple times,
> right?


However, I went to jail, he didn't. That def. modified my behavior.

What are early indicators that your kid might be a real fuck up?

???? Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > I always love that advice. See, I'm my kids'
> > > parent. I'm not their "best friend," but I
> like
> > my
> > > kids. And they like me. Why? Because I show
> > them
> > > respect. I am fair. I treat them like they
> are
> > > intelligent. You know what, I expect the same
> > > back, and if I don't get it, I correct the
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > Some people mistake being a bellowing asshole
> > to
> > > their kids as being "a parent." No. You are a
> > > bellowing asshole. You may be a parent in the
> > > technical sense, but you are not a "good"
> > parent.
> >
> >
> > According to every parenting book out there,
> > sometimes you need to be irrational with kids
> to
> > get the point across. If you are not
> irrational,
> > their brains may not be motivated to figure out
> > what you are trying to tell them. Also until
> > about eight years for girls, and almost 10
> years
> > for boys, a child's brain is still not set up
> for
> > empathy or logic, so, when communicating with
> your
> > kids, you need to keep these things in mind.
> >
> >
> > Not my humble opinion though, the humble
> opinion
> > of the best Doctors and child psychologists out
> > there.
>
>
> Orly? Who?


Dr. Jean Piaget, Switzerland
Dr John Dewey, USA
Dr. Maria Montessori, Italy
Dr. Paulo Freire, Brazil

Have all been pioneers in epistemological relativism.

Soon to Be... Wrote:
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> What are early indicators that your kid might be a
> real fuck up?


Their dad is FUNdamental

Soon to Be... Wrote:
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> What are early indicators that your kid might be a
> real fuck up?


hurting themselves on purpose or getting joy out of hurting other living things.
Also, early on hearing sensitivity can be a major sign of a brain disfunction.

s



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2010 12:43AM by inkahootz.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Soon to Be... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What are early indicators that your kid might be
> a
> > real fuck up?
>
>
> Their dad is FUNdamental


I responded with a learned reponse based on published scientific research. You went with a personal insult on another who you disagree with. Can you now see your problem?

Piaget: What makes the wind?

Julia: The trees.

P: How do you know?

J: I saw them waving their arms.

P: How does that make the wind?

J (waving her hand in front of his face): Like this. Only they are bigger. And there are lots of trees.

P: What makes the wind on the ocean?

J: It blows there from the land. No. It's the waves...

Piaget recognized that five-year-old Julia's beliefs, while not correct by any adult criterion, are not "incorrect" either. They are entirely sensible and coherent within the framework of the child's way of knowing. Classifying them as "true" or "false" misses the point and shows a lack of respect for the child.


....Which supports my belief that you should encourage your child without labeling what they do "true" or "false." There is nothing wrong with respecting your child and his or her intelligence. However, FUNdamental believes you need to bellow at the girl, tell her she is wrong, and irrationally tell her she doesn't know what she is talking about because she is five and illogical and FUNdamental is an adult and doesn't need to show any respect to a child.

inkahootz Wrote:
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> Look, WTL and FUN, you guys both have opposite
> parenting styles. FUN would say WTL's is
> borderline permissive, and WTL would say FUN's is
> authoritarian. Both of you could be right. I'm not
> there to bare witness, but one could logically
> extrapulate (from what is being posted) that this
> is the case. The goal is to find a happy medium
> between permissiveness and authoritarianism. That
> is known as authoritative parenting. WTL, letting
> your kids run wild and watching TV unsupervised is
> not a good thing. What would you say if your
> teacher left your kids to their own devices during
> lunch; You'd be outraged! On the other hand, FUN;
> Telling your kids to 'do this because I say so' is
> no bueno also.

Why not? They need to learn to respect authority. They can do whatever they want after college.

I cannot and should not have to sell them on doing things they need to do. If I say they are going with me somewhere, or it is time to do their homework, that is not an opening line for a debate.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2009 04:27PM by FUNdamental.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Piaget: What makes the wind?
>
> Julia: The trees.
>
> P: How do you know?
>
> J: I saw them waving their arms.
>
> P: How does that make the wind?
>
> J (waving her hand in front of his face): Like
> this. Only they are bigger. And there are lots of
> trees.
>
> P: What makes the wind on the ocean?
>
> J: It blows there from the land. No. It's the
> waves...
>
> Piaget recognized that five-year-old Julia's
> beliefs, while not correct by any adult criterion,
> are not "incorrect" either. They are entirely
> sensible and coherent within the framework of the
> child's way of knowing. Classifying them as "true"
> or "false" misses the point and shows a lack of
> respect for the child.
>
>
> ....Which supports my belief that you should
> encourage your child without labeling what they do
> "true" or "false." There is nothing wrong with
> respecting your child and his or her intelligence.
> However, FUNdamental believes you need to bellow
> at the girl, tell her she is wrong, and
> irrationally tell her she doesn't know what she is
> talking about because she is five and illogical
> and FUNdamental is an adult and doesn't need to
> show any respect to a child.


You have a reading problem; I never said anything remotely close to your paraphrase.

I am glad you learned something-Google is great for people like you.

inkahootz Wrote:
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WTL, letting
> your kids run wild and watching TV unsupervised is
> not a good thing.

They don't watch it unsupervised. My wife or I are always around and know what they have it tuned to. As for "run wild," they "run wild" behind our house where we keep an eye on them. It's "free play."

> What would you say if your
> teacher left your kids to their own devices during
> lunch; You'd be outraged!

Actually, I wouldn't have a problem with the kids having half-an-hour on the playground with the teacher watching them...like we did as kids. I think that is a good thing.

> On the other hand, FUN;
> Telling your kids to 'do this because I say so' is
> no bueno also.


There are times to do that. But doing it all the time becomes self-defeating.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> inkahootz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Look, WTL and FUN, you guys both have opposite
> > parenting styles. FUN would say WTL's is
> > borderline permissive, and WTL would say FUN's
> is
> > authoritarian. Both of you could be right. I'm
> not
> > there to bare witness, but one could logically
> > extrapulate (from what is being posted) that
> this
> > is the case. The goal is to find a happy medium
> > between permissiveness and authoritarianism.
> That
> > is known as authoritative parenting. WTL,
> letting
> > your kids run wild and watching TV unsupervised
> is
> > not a good thing. What would you say if your
> > teacher left your kids to their own devices
> during
> > lunch; You'd be outraged! On the other hand,
> FUN;
> > Telling your kids to 'do this because I say so'
> is
> > no bueno also.
>
> Why not? They need to learn to respect authority.
> They can do whatever they want after college.
>
> I cannot and should not have to sell them on doing
> things they need to do. If I say they are going
> with me somewhere, or it is time to do their
> homework, that is not an opening line for a
> debate.

I don't sell them on things they need to do. It is expected that they do it. More often then not, my kids do their homework without me telling them to. My oldest son does it on the bus on the way home from school. That's what I mean about being "self-directed." I expect it. I respect them. They respect me. They do it on their own. Never fails.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Piaget: What makes the wind?
> >
> > Julia: The trees.
> >
> > P: How do you know?
> >
> > J: I saw them waving their arms.
> >
> > P: How does that make the wind?
> >
> > J (waving her hand in front of his face): Like
> > this. Only they are bigger. And there are lots
> of
> > trees.
> >
> > P: What makes the wind on the ocean?
> >
> > J: It blows there from the land. No. It's the
> > waves...
> >
> > Piaget recognized that five-year-old Julia's
> > beliefs, while not correct by any adult
> criterion,
> > are not "incorrect" either. They are entirely
> > sensible and coherent within the framework of
> the
> > child's way of knowing. Classifying them as
> "true"
> > or "false" misses the point and shows a lack of
> > respect for the child.
> >
> >
> > ....Which supports my belief that you should
> > encourage your child without labeling what they
> do
> > "true" or "false." There is nothing wrong with
> > respecting your child and his or her
> intelligence.
> > However, FUNdamental believes you need to
> bellow
> > at the girl, tell her she is wrong, and
> > irrationally tell her she doesn't know what she
> is
> > talking about because she is five and illogical
> > and FUNdamental is an adult and doesn't need to
> > show any respect to a child.
>
>
> You have a reading problem; I never said anything
> remotely close to your paraphrase.
>
> I am glad you learned something-Google is great
> for people like you.


What you are claiming has nothing to do with Piaget's research, as far as I can tell. He is saying children are sometimes irrational in their expressions or understanding. He's not telling parents to be irrational.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> inkahootz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Look, WTL and FUN, you guys both have opposite
> > parenting styles. FUN would say WTL's is
> > borderline permissive, and WTL would say FUN's
> is
> > authoritarian. Both of you could be right. I'm
> not
> > there to bare witness, but one could logically
> > extrapulate (from what is being posted) that
> this
> > is the case. The goal is to find a happy medium
> > between permissiveness and authoritarianism.
> That
> > is known as authoritative parenting. WTL,
> letting
> > your kids run wild and watching TV unsupervised
> is
> > not a good thing. What would you say if your
> > teacher left your kids to their own devices
> during
> > lunch; You'd be outraged! On the other hand,
> FUN;
> > Telling your kids to 'do this because I say so'
> is
> > no bueno also.
>
> Why not? They need to learn to respect authority.
> They can do whatever they want after college.
>

If you have to keep telling them to do the same things over and over again, they don't respect your authority. If they did, you wouldn't have to tell them to do it constantly.

I made many points, cause and effect, based on lots of research. Piagethas done reseaarch on child's logic. I never said he did all the research that went into my beliefs in cause and effect. You have a reading comprehension problem.

I have two strong willed boys at home. If they werent testing me, I would be concerned.

Every kid is different, too. What works for FUN's kid might not work for WTL's kid.

My parents were very restrictive and authoritarian, which generated a lot of resentment in me. However, I hate to think what kind of person I'd be if I didn't have that.

The easiest answer is to just not have kids.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> I made many points, cause and effect, based on
> lots of research. Piagethas done reseaarch on
> child's logic. I never said he did all the
> research that went into my beliefs in cause and
> effect. You have a reading comprehension problem.
>
>
> I have two strong willed boys at home. If they
> werent testing me, I would be concerned.


I have three strong-willed boys at home. They test me, too. But it makes life much easier when you cut them some slack and give them the latitude to do things for themselves instead of ordering them around all of the time.

I always hear stories of these parents who are on their kids all of the time. The minute they let up, the kids do something bad...I mean BAD...like burn down a building or wreck a car or something...because they have no idea how to control themselves without someone yelling at them. I have to say that I don't worry about my kids fucking up like that because they know how to manage themselves.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Every kid is different, too. What works for FUN's
> kid might not work for WTL's kid.
>
I have one kid who would respond to FUN's way and another that would hit the wall and burn.


> My parents were very restrictive and
> authoritarian, which generated a lot of resentment
> in me. However, I hate to think what kind of
> person I'd be if I didn't have that.
>
My parents weren't and I was a stellar kid. I expect the same from my kids.

> The easiest answer is to just not have kids.

This may be true.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I made many points, cause and effect, based on
> > lots of research. Piagethas done reseaarch on
> > child's logic. I never said he did all the
> > research that went into my beliefs in cause and
> > effect. You have a reading comprehension
> problem.
> >
> >
> > I have two strong willed boys at home. If they
> > werent testing me, I would be concerned.
>
>
> I have three strong-willed boys at home. They test
> me, too. But it makes life much easier when you
> cut them some slack and give them the latitude to
> do things for themselves instead of ordering them
> around all of the time.
>
> I always hear stories of these parents who are on
> their kids all of the time. The minute they let
> up, the kids do something bad...I mean BAD...like
> burn down a building or wreck a car or
> something...because they have no idea how to
> control themselves without someone yelling at
> them. I have to say that I don't worry about my
> kids fucking up like that because they know how to
> manage themselves.

I certainly hope by example you are not teaching them to judge, misinform, come to wild conclusions,and attack when not necessary, as you have displayed here.

s



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Anna,

Why not just let your kids watch Dancing with the Stars or something. Ballroom dancing seems kind of fruity to me. I can't imagine any kid enjoying that. I know parents want their kids to learn manners and stuff but spending money on some pricey activity at a country club seems like a waste. Just teach basic table manners and etiquette yourself. And about ballroom dancing, do people still do that? Good luck.

Trickie

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I made many points, cause and effect, based
> on
> > > lots of research. Piagethas done reseaarch
> on
> > > child's logic. I never said he did all the
> > > research that went into my beliefs in cause
> and
> > > effect. You have a reading comprehension
> > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have two strong willed boys at home. If
> they
> > > werent testing me, I would be concerned.
> >
> >
> > I have three strong-willed boys at home. They
> test
> > me, too. But it makes life much easier when you
> > cut them some slack and give them the latitude
> to
> > do things for themselves instead of ordering
> them
> > around all of the time.
> >
> > I always hear stories of these parents who are
> on
> > their kids all of the time. The minute they let
> > up, the kids do something bad...I mean
> BAD...like
> > burn down a building or wreck a car or
> > something...because they have no idea how to
> > control themselves without someone yelling at
> > them. I have to say that I don't worry about my
> > kids fucking up like that because they know how
> to
> > manage themselves.
>
> I certainly hope by example you are not teaching
> them to judge, misinform, come to wild
> conclusions,and attack when not necessary, as you
> have displayed here.


Yes, I am.

Soon to Be... Wrote:
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> What are early indicators that your kid might be a
> real fuck up?


The parents.

Floris Mom Wrote:
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> Soon to Be... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What are early indicators that your kid might be
> a
> > real fuck up?
>
>
> The parents.


How, then, do you explain families where one or two kids end up being huge successes and one or two of the kids end up being homeless and/or drug addicts?

Everybody likes to blame the parents. But genetic make-up has a lot to do with it. Some people are under the mistaken idea that all kids are the same and can be parented the same. They aren't. Different kids respond to different parenting. And in some instances nothing the parent does is going to make a damn bit of difference. Environment is certainly a factor, but so are the kid's genes.

Gee this is fucking hillarious, I wish I got on this when it was fresh..

There IS a "charm school" on Chain Bridge Road in McLean, I did some work at an office next door to it a few years ago. It is run by none other than Steven Tylers daughters grandmother, the mother of Bebe Buell, grandma to Liv Tyler in case you've all forgotten about how super important this bloodline is.

I don't have kids but it looked like a great thing to threaten a delinquent son with. My mom always threatened me with VMI, but I knew damn well she could never afford it.

l



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2012 08:03PM by Alias.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> inkahootz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----

> > What would you say if your
> > teacher left your kids to their own devices
> during
> > lunch; You'd be outraged!
>
> Actually, I wouldn't have a problem with the kids
> having half-an-hour on the playground with the
> teacher watching them...like we did as kids. I
> think that is a good thing.

When I was a kid, we had "recess", which was unstructured playtime outdoors on swings and jungle bars and running around playing any games we wanted. The teachers kept an eye out to make sure we weren't doing anything to hurt ourselves. I think recess ended after grade 6. And lunch always consisted of sitting in a cafeteria eating food at a table; above age 9 or 10 we choose where to sit and could freely change tables to visit other people, or go play outside after finishing our meals.

I don't have any kids. Did something radically change about all that?

TRICKIE Wrote:
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> And about ballroom dancing, do people still do that? Good luck.

It's fairly popular in college (for the last 30 years anyway).

I expect with all the TV shows that it's even more popular now.

???? Wrote:
> > Not my humble opinion though, the humble
> opinion
> > of the best Doctors and child psychologists out
> > there.
>
>
> Orly? Who?

FYI, I never received a "thank you" for answering your question precisely. Are you this impolite to members of your own family? Were you taught to question everything in a surly way and when legitimate answers are provided for you, you are to simply walk away? Growing up, did you parents argue with everyone, including the mailman, when you were growing up?

Did you learn your manners from watching WWF Smackdown on Friday nights? Are you a product of the FCPS?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2009 07:49AM by FUNdamental.

Spacy Wrote:

> When I was a kid, we had "recess", which was
> unstructured playtime outdoors on swings and
> jungle bars and running around playing any games
> we wanted. The teachers kept an eye out to make
> sure we weren't doing anything to hurt ourselves.
> I think recess ended after grade 6. And lunch
> always consisted of sitting in a cafeteria eating
> food at a table; above age 9 or 10 we choose where
> to sit and could freely change tables to visit
> other people, or go play outside after finishing
> our meals.
>
> I don't have any kids. Did something radically
> change about all that?

I have no kids in FCPS but I've heard of other jurisdictions banning monkey bars, tag and any kind of cops and robbers play. These stories may be sensationalist hype based on isolated incidents but they are pretty worrying as I've met some FCPS teacher who do have really pussified attitudes.

Anyone up for some Smear-the-Queer this afternoon?

Spacy Wrote:

>
> When I was a kid, we had "recess", which was
> unstructured playtime outdoors on swings and
> jungle bars and running around playing any games
> we wanted. The teachers kept an eye out to make
> sure we weren't doing anything to hurt ourselves.
> I think recess ended after grade 6. And lunch
> always consisted of sitting in a cafeteria eating
> food at a table; above age 9 or 10 we choose where
> to sit and could freely change tables to visit
> other people, or go play outside after finishing
> our meals.
>
> I don't have any kids. Did something radically
> change about all that?


Yes. Recess has been cut down drastically. In fact, many school districts consider things like Art Class and Music as "recess." Also, my kids can't do shit at lunch. They march in. Sit at a table, have 15 minutes to eat, get up, and march back into the classroom. It's all because of this standards bullshit. They think if a kid misses five minutes of test-prep it is the end of the world.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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>
> FYI, I never received a "thank you" for answering
> your question precisely. Are you this impolite to
> members of your own family?


What's more impolite. Not saying "thank you," or demanding that someone thank you?

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > FYI, I never received a "thank you" for
> answering
> > your question precisely. Are you this impolite
> to
> > members of your own family?
>
>
> What's more impolite. Not saying "thank you," or
> demanding that someone thank you?

the first. It is like dealing with children; given the choice, most kids will not volunteer to say “thank you.” As a parent, you have to drill into them the importance of a timely “thank you.”

Alias Wrote:
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> WingNut wrote:
> "My mom always threatened me with VMI..."
> __________
>
> When my kids were little, I threatened them with
> foster care. ha
>
>
> This thread IS funny. Did you hear that
> WashingToneLocian fathered a bunch of geniuses?
>
> Get out of the way Einstein, move over Aristotle,
> shut up Beethoven, Washington's kids are fucking
> geniuses. ha

I bring this up on an anonymous forum to demonstrate a point. I wouldn't have brought it up at all if Ballroom Lady wasn't talking about how great her kids were doing academically because they learned the fucking samba. As an FYI, I never discuss this kind of thing with friends, family or neighbors. Nobody knows what my kids' IQs are and we don't discriminate on who they associate with based on money or IQ.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> >
> > What's more impolite. Not saying "thank you,"
> or
> > demanding that someone thank you?
>
> the first. It is like dealing with children;
> given the choice, most kids will not volunteer to
> say “thank you.” As a parent, you have to drill
> into them the importance of a timely “thank you.”


Thanks for the parenting tip. As an FYI, I have always done that with my kids. Of course, you believe that unless someone is acting like Saddam Hussein toward their kids they aren't "a real parent."

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > >
> > > What's more impolite. Not saying "thank you,"
> > or
> > > demanding that someone thank you?
> >
> > the first. It is like dealing with children;
> > given the choice, most kids will not volunteer
> to
> > say “thank you.” As a parent, you have to
> drill
> > into them the importance of a timely “thank
> you.”
>
>
> Of course, you
> believe that unless someone is acting like Saddam
> Hussein toward their kids they aren't "a real
> parent."



That is what we call "equivocation" and "projection," and you must have real mental issues and insecurities if you believe a comment like that is truthful or acceptable.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Of course, you
> > believe that unless someone is acting like
> Saddam
> > Hussein toward their kids they aren't "a real
> > parent."
>
>
>
> That is what we call "equivocation" and
> "projection," and you must have real mental issues
> and insecurities if you believe a comment like
> that is truthful or acceptable.


Actually, I don't think you understand what either equivocation or projection means based on the way you are using those words.

As for "truthful," I can use hyperbole and still be "truthful." Regarding "acceptable," you obviously found it acceptable because you responded to it. If not, you would have ignored it.

Finally, your over-the-top reactions to statements made to your anonymous ID by another anonymous party makes me wonder if I'm not hitting too close to the truth, hyperbole or not. Obviously your wife or family members have asked you to tone down your overly controlling tendencies when it comes to your kids.



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WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course, you
> > > believe that unless someone is acting like
> > Saddam
> > > Hussein toward their kids they aren't "a real
> > > parent."
> >
> >
> >
> > That is what we call "equivocation" and
> > "projection," and you must have real mental
> issues
> > and insecurities if you believe a comment like
> > that is truthful or acceptable.
>
>
> Actually, I don't think you understand what either
> equivocation or projection means based on the way
> you are using those words.
>
> As for "truthful," I can use hyperbole and still
> be "truthful." Regarding "acceptable," you
> obviously found it acceptable because you
> responded to it. If not, you would have ignored
> it.
>
> Finally, your over-the-top reactions to statements
> made to your anonymous ID by another anonymous
> party makes me wonder if I'm not hitting too close
> to the truth, hyperbole or not. Obviously your
> wife or family members have asked you to tone down
> your overly controlling tendencies when it comes
> to your kids.

Yes, you do have mental problems, and you are drawing a false conclusion here.

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FUNdamental Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Of course, you
> > > > believe that unless someone is acting like
> > > Saddam
> > > > Hussein toward their kids they aren't "a
> real
> > > > parent."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That is what we call "equivocation" and
> > > "projection," and you must have real mental
> > issues
> > > and insecurities if you believe a comment
> like
> > > that is truthful or acceptable.
> >
> >
> > Actually, I don't think you understand what
> either
> > equivocation or projection means based on the
> way
> > you are using those words.
> >
> > As for "truthful," I can use hyperbole and
> still
> > be "truthful." Regarding "acceptable," you
> > obviously found it acceptable because you
> > responded to it. If not, you would have ignored
> > it.
> >
> > Finally, your over-the-top reactions to
> statements
> > made to your anonymous ID by another anonymous
> > party makes me wonder if I'm not hitting too
> close
> > to the truth, hyperbole or not. Obviously your
> > wife or family members have asked you to tone
> down
> > your overly controlling tendencies when it
> comes
> > to your kids.
>
> Yes, you do have mental problems, and you are
> drawing a false conclusion here.


So if a person draws a false conclusion, that automatically means they have mental problems? Do you think your children have mental problems if they miss an answer on a test? Do you yell at them? Or do you beat them?

WashingTone Locian Wrote:

>
>
> The Fairfax Station mommies will be proud when
> their precious ones use what they learned in
> cotillion to properly cup the ball sack of the guy
> whose pole they are smoking in the back of his
> Beemer when they are 16.

I certainly hope you don't present this attitude in front of your kids.

I can understand etiquette classes. (manners are good, and lord know enoiugh kids now a days don't have any), horseback riding is fun..., but ball room dancing, has no real application in life anymore, unless you are invited to a inagurational ball, or trying out for some reality shows....heck my daughter ice skates(her own choice) and yes she had other activities to choose from...But ball room dancing..sigh...http://www.dancelovers.com/ buy ema DVD and let em watch and learn to see if they REALLY want to do it... my bet is they they'd rather ride their bikes, play Wii, or some other fun activity...

FUNdamental Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The Fairfax Station mommies will be proud when
> > their precious ones use what they learned in
> > cotillion to properly cup the ball sack of the
> guy
> > whose pole they are smoking in the back of his
> > Beemer when they are 16.
>
> I certainly hope you don't present this attitude
> in front of your kids.


No. Do your kids present this attitude behind your back? I'm sure they probably do given your total lack of regard for their feelings.

mjs Wrote:
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> I can understand etiquette classes. (manners are
> good, and lord know enoiugh kids now a days don't
> have any), horseback riding is fun..., but ball
> room dancing, has no real application in life
> anymore, unless you are invited to a inagurational
> ball, or trying out for some reality
> shows....heck my daughter ice skates(her own
> choice) and yes she had other activities to
> choose from...But ball room
> dancing..sigh...http://www.dancelovers.com/ buy
> ema DVD and let em watch and learn to see if they
> REALLY want to do it... my bet is they they'd
> rather ride their bikes, play Wii, or some other
> fun activity...


Speaking of no real application, what is it with the soccer moms in this area? I'm not talking about those moms who put their kid in spring or summer soccer. I'm talking about those moms who put the kid in soccer 365 days a year. You know the ones...they do travel soccer, in-door soccer. They send their kids away to soccer camp. They spend thousands of dollars on lessons and special coaches, etc.

I have news for these moms. Your kid isn't Mia Hamm or Hope Solo. There's no professional league anyway. And as for "maybe they will get a scholarship." If you saved the money you spent on soccer camp and had your kid spend more time on his or her studies, you wouldn't need a scholarship.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> I have news for these moms. Your kid isn't Mia
> Hamm or Hope Solo. There's no professional league
> anyway. And as for "maybe they will get a
> scholarship." If you saved the money you spent on
> soccer camp and had your kid spend more time on
> his or her studies, you wouldn't need a
> scholarship.

Because soccer is a physical sport with a low injury rate, and they don't want their precious snowflakes playing basketball with the black kids.

s



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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> WashingTone Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have news for these moms. Your kid isn't Mia
> > Hamm or Hope Solo. There's no professional
> league
> > anyway. And as for "maybe they will get a
> > scholarship." If you saved the money you spent
> on
> > soccer camp and had your kid spend more time on
> > his or her studies, you wouldn't need a
> > scholarship.
>
> Because soccer is a physical sport with a low
> injury rate, and they don't want their precious
> snowflakes playing basketball with the black kids.


Actually I know a gal who has one daughter who has pins in her arm because she broke it three times while playing and another one who broke her collar bone. It's not as injury free as you might think.

.



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Trivia; what athletic program has the most injuries? Cheerleading

What athletic contact sport has the least amount of injuries? Judo

Judo teaches you to fall correctly, cheerleading just encourages falling.

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Actually I know a gal who has one daughter who has
> pins in her arm because she broke it three times
> while playing and another one who broke her collar
> bone. It's not as injury free as you might think.

Of course there are injuries. I said "low rate," not "injury free." What I mean is, it's a game where you're not supposed to touch each other, as opposed to putting on pads and helmets and tackling each other.

\



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ANNA......
Trust me when I tell you to NEVER come here for advice on ANYTHING. There are nothing but a bunch of savage, egotistical, hypocrites here that will do nothing but find ways to belittle anything you say or ask. They are a bunch of miserable people that having nothing better to do than to sit in front of a screen day and night and rip people apart for asking a simple, harmful question. This isnt a forum for coming to for help, its a mental forum for the sick and dillusional.

... and yet you keep coming back.

Addictive, isn't it?

I'm just a little confused, why can't kids be into ballroom dancing? I could see how little girls would love all that shit if they see it in movies.

And I knew three or four boys when I was in school who behaved most gay-like and all ended up become homosexuals as adults, and putting on a fancy gown and dancing in big room would have suited them just fine.

When will it end Wrote:
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They are a bunch of miserable people
> that having nothing better to do than to sit in
> front of a screen day and night and rip people
> apart for asking a simple, harmful question.

You said it. "Harmful" questions. And it is our job to protect people.

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> I'm just a little confused, why can't kids be into
> ballroom dancing? I could see how little girls
> would love all that shit if they see it in movies.
>
>
> And I knew three or four boys when I was in school
> who behaved most gay-like and all ended up become
> homosexuals as adults, and putting on a fancy gown
> and dancing in big room would have suited them
> just fine.


I have no problem if kids WANT to do it. But this gal sounded like a nut who is sticking her kids in every activity imaginable to compensate for some weird thing she is lacking.

Anna Wrote:
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> And I truly believe that people who speak just one
> language are morons.

I think I would have loved the idea of ballroom dancing as a child (although in practice I was probably much too hyper and creative to have liked lessons). However, I simply can't support you after reading this. My mother is bi-lingual but decided not to raise her children to speak French. I regret that, but it does not make me a moron.

Genevieve Wrote:
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> Anna Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And I truly believe that people who speak just
> one
> > language are morons.
>
> I think I would have loved the idea of ballroom
> dancing as a child (although in practice I was
> probably much too hyper and creative to have liked
> lessons). However, I simply can't support you
> after reading this. My mother is bi-lingual but
> decided not to raise her children to speak French.
> I regret that, but it does not make me a moron.


You are a moron because your mom didn't do what this pretentious, social-climbing cunt is doing. Don't you know that?